UK growth slows again in October as rebound stalls
10/12/2020 | news | business | 406
The UK's economy grew by just 0.4% in the month as the recovery continued to slow.
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10/12/2020 09:57:45 29 7
bbc
And the forecast for November is another drop in GDP.
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10/12/2020 10:11:51 21 2
bbc
We could have all predicted that!!!
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10/12/2020 10:18:17 1 2
bbc
Yes. It looks like a classic downward spiral is unwinding here. It is too late to save much of the hospitality sector. Aviation is still contracting (gulp!). Eco-warriors are gaining the upper hand by wanting to keep airlines out of the sky and car drivers off the road.
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10/12/2020 09:59:53 20 17
bbc
Well now we've got a trade deal with Singapore I'm sure that'll make up for everything. *rolls eyes*
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10/12/2020 10:11:34 16 3
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And Canada worth 20 billion. Singapore imports virtually everything, so an opportunity...positive news I would say.
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10/12/2020 10:00:42 17 16
bbc
So the economy is running out of steam and we decide to go "No Deal" with our largest trade partner - seriously?
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10/12/2020 10:10:12 5 4
bbc
Takes 2 to tango...odd how you want the UK to make all the compromises. Clearly you would like us to bend the knee and grovel....again and again and again
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10/12/2020 10:01:32 26 17
bbc
Much worse is to come.

The zealots want hard Brexit even though Britain always has been a sovereign nation. Pure madness.
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10/12/2020 10:08:43 12 13
bbc
My god give it a rest...you dont want Brexit very clearly, you have been whinging since 2016, Go on have a day off and smile!
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bdp
10/12/2020 10:02:03 192 22
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There is absolutely no point in showing anything to do with GDP while we are in and out of lockdowns this is a unusual period in time. Most hospitality sectors are still shutdown for a start.
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10/12/2020 10:09:10 73 19
bbc
Exactly. Growth is still higher at the end of Q3 for 2020, Mid pandemic than it was end of Q3 2019 (0.3%).
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10/12/2020 10:29:45 11 4
bbc
Agreed. We don't need six paragraphs of analysis by Andy Verity. One sentence would have sufficed;

"This year the UK economy GDP directly reflects the lockdown measures and restrictions that have been imposed."
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10/12/2020 10:33:27 9 10
bbc
There is a point in showing it. It shows the damage the lockdown is causing.
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10/12/2020 10:49:09 6 6
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It shows how foolish not extending the Brexit transition period is however.
I rely on trade from 2 sources. Firstly local sales, these have been cut to 0 with lockdown. Secondly online sales - most of these are from Europe, right now they barely keep business afloat.

If lockdown restrictions aren't gone 1st Jan, business will cease trading as Euro market not looking viable if no deal.
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10/12/2020 10:52:19 11 1
bbc
Agreed but is there not something very wrong in the UK when the most important economic factors are shopping, eating out and getting pissed.
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10/12/2020 10:57:41 7 1
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It's not a beauty contest about how nice the numbers look, of course it's newsworthy.
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ian
10/12/2020 11:06:40 1 1
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if it where just a matter of a few weeks in a year i would agree but the lock downs an tiers this country has had to endure will be over the entire financial year an will effect the following years. businesses are bound to fail unemployment bound to rise tax revenue bound to decline all effecting future GDP. an do we consider GDP unimportant next year because brexit also just a one off?
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10/12/2020 11:15:37 7 3
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Well uk navel gazing doesn't help.
SE Asia Inc ozz and nz coped with covid with far less deaths or economic damage.
UKgov 60,000 deaths, 12%gdp drop
Taiwan just 7 deaths, 2% gdp drop. Facts no forecast required.
Covid is the reason for global recession. How ukgov coped (late, u turns, fails, chumocracy) with covid determined scale of deaths & economic damage.
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10/12/2020 12:35:29 0 0
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Every point - we need to know the consequences of our actions as they happen not months later.
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10/12/2020 13:10:49 0 0
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You have to laugh at the stupidity of these comments; why do they come along to a news forum when they don't want to know the news?!

Answer's obvious: these Tory Bots are about trying to control the narrative, they don't like any bad news and want to disguise it by attacks on the news providers. You have to pretty daft to fall for it.

Economically we are doing worse than our competitors!
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10/12/2020 10:02:17 15 15
bbc
Come on BBC at least it is growing in these uncertain times. Why always a negative spin?
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10/12/2020 10:06:58 6 11
bbc
Growing?? Sh*t is about to hit the fan, get your head out of the sand?
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10/12/2020 10:09:20 1 5
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Remember that V shaped recovery we were confidently promised? It will take the country another two years to get back to where it was economically at the start of the year. If we fail to get a Brexit deal who knows if it will recover.
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10/12/2020 10:01:16 65 20
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Economy is fine.

Governments closing things are the issue.
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10/12/2020 10:13:25 54 13
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If only they'd have maybe closed some borders....
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10/12/2020 11:09:49 1 4
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It's the pandemic that's done this. Every country in the world has suffered economically. Don't put all the blame on governments. We will not know who handled this the best for years to come.
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10/12/2020 10:03:52 87 50
bbc
Just to be clear, this isn't covid-19, it's the Government's response to it.
Blinkered and blunt policy, haemoraging money.
They have destroyed people's lives, and they do not care. Every one of them is self serving.
They are not fit for purpose, nor are Labour.
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10/12/2020 10:16:44 64 13
bbc
MPs and equivalents of the devolved nations should:

1. Have one job only. No directorships, no silent partnerships, nothing.
2. Serve at most 2 terms.
3. Not be allowed to engage at all with any family member in business on behalf of government - either the MP stands down if it's required, or another business is used.
4. Have at least 10 years of work experience - no Oxbridge PPE career routes.
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10/12/2020 10:48:02 3 3
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Would you prefer people to be treated in hospital corridors - as was seen in Italy?
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10/12/2020 10:54:33 2 2
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And your creative solution is?
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10/12/2020 11:29:35 1 3
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Bbc never report the truth
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10/12/2020 10:05:37 75 22
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How about glass half FULL for a change. Yes, we are in a pickle, we have uncertainty on many fronts BUT, we have actual growth, we have a vaccine, we have light at the end of the tunnel & you know what? It is not and cannot be all about growth. How about we have enough for what we need and lets make it sustainable - growth growth growth leads , eventually, to total collapse. Sustainability please.
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10/12/2020 10:37:33 46 20
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But this is the BBC?
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10/12/2020 10:43:52 6 1
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You happy to slash your salary, pension pay-out and properties' value Mark? Thought not. This ride started in the 80s and we're stuck on it now. Heck, most of us voted for it, even with Blair.

Our children and grandchildren will pay the price.
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10/12/2020 10:45:30 5 1
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Agree - the obsession with growth is a disease. In my now long life I've not observed any huge correlation between headline growth and feelgood in the population. Sustainability, health and opportunity are of far more immediate concern. Sure, growth bears on that in the current system, but the media obsession massively overplays it.
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10/12/2020 10:06:13 38 10
bbc
For comparison, there was no growth at all for October 2019.
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10/12/2020 10:13:14 24 6
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For the down voters - that's the ONS' words, not mine.
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10/12/2020 10:39:04 2 1
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Yes, but that is GOOD news by comparison. The BBC would never run that part of the news. It can increase for 20 years and they will stay silent, then it backs off for a month and out comes the BBC doom-monger.
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10/12/2020 10:46:21 6 0
bbc
On the other hand the economy didn't crash by 25% earlier in 2019 either, to bounce back from.

November's saving grace for the economy will be the black friday 'week' of sales.
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JT
10/12/2020 12:14:29 0 0
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Short memory: the reason there was no growth in October 2019 was because of the stockpiling businesses had undertaken in September when the threat of a no deal Brexit was on the cards following Johnson's 'die in a ditch if we don't leave the EU by October 31st' statement. Reader: we did not leave the EU until January 31st 2020.
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10/12/2020 10:06:24 33 6
bbc
While this crisis is driven by the pandemic, the economy was not very resilient before this year.

This is evident in the Bank of England feeling the need to keep rates low and keep QE going for over a decade now, to encourage borrowing and spending, not saving.

Both private and public debt are ballooning; we need to completely restructure the economy to be more resilient and sustainable.
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10/12/2020 10:36:49 25 4
bbc
Interest rates around the world are rock bottom and banks printing money like there is no tomorrow. It is not just in this country
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10/12/2020 11:23:40 1 0
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And its happening in most countries
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10/12/2020 10:06:44 136 32
bbc
Well who would have thought it....you cant shut down the economy as a whole and expect to see the same growth trend. What a waste of space this article and the headline is.
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10/12/2020 10:30:47 30 48
bbc
So would you rather the government shut down the economy and the public were not informed of the consequences?
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10/12/2020 10:54:46 1 0
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it's not a waste, tho

we are saying there is less stuff being produced

lower carbon footprint, lower resources, lower greenhouse gases

Greta will have a smile

which is great.
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10/12/2020 12:46:22 0 1
bbc
Please, please. This article is reporting the facts issued by thecONS and OBR. That is the job of a news organisation!
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10/12/2020 13:15:09 1 0
bbc
You have to laugh at the stupidity of these comments; why do they come along to a news forum when they don't want to know the news?!

Answer's obvious: these Tory Bots are about trying to control the narrative, they don't like any bad news and want to disguise it by attacks on the news providers. You have to pretty daft to fall for it.

Economically we are doing worse than our competitors!
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10/12/2020 10:02:17 15 15
bbc
Come on BBC at least it is growing in these uncertain times. Why always a negative spin?
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10/12/2020 10:06:58 6 11
bbc
Growing?? Sh*t is about to hit the fan, get your head out of the sand?
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10/12/2020 10:08:09 29 13
bbc
There is nothing wrong with our economy if the Government would just let it function. The problem is they keep fiddling with lock downs and tier systems and do more U-Turns than a driving instructor .
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10/12/2020 10:17:45 9 9
bbc
If the gov did lockdown like others instead of toying and infighting, maybe some people would learn better and quicker!
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10/12/2020 10:01:32 26 17
bbc
Much worse is to come.

The zealots want hard Brexit even though Britain always has been a sovereign nation. Pure madness.
15
10/12/2020 10:08:43 12 13
bbc
My god give it a rest...you dont want Brexit very clearly, you have been whinging since 2016, Go on have a day off and smile!
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bdp
10/12/2020 10:02:03 192 22
bbc
There is absolutely no point in showing anything to do with GDP while we are in and out of lockdowns this is a unusual period in time. Most hospitality sectors are still shutdown for a start.
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10/12/2020 10:09:10 73 19
bbc
Exactly. Growth is still higher at the end of Q3 for 2020, Mid pandemic than it was end of Q3 2019 (0.3%).
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10/12/2020 12:13:05 0 0
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The growth is an artefact of the way ONS (arguably correctly) does the calculation. Unlike most countries we factored in the fact that "most" of the health service and education were shut down and doing nothing so had a very big drop in GDP. Now this has on paper been turned back on it manifests as growth of GDP.
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JT
10/12/2020 12:45:05 0 0
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There was no growth in October 2019 due to the stockpiling that took place in August and September when Johnson threatened to die in a ditch if the UK did not leave the EU on October 31st. The same thing is happening now with the manufacturing and retail sectors preparing for the carnage that will follow at the ports in January, deal or no deal.
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10/12/2020 10:02:17 15 15
bbc
Come on BBC at least it is growing in these uncertain times. Why always a negative spin?
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10/12/2020 10:09:20 1 5
bbc
Remember that V shaped recovery we were confidently promised? It will take the country another two years to get back to where it was economically at the start of the year. If we fail to get a Brexit deal who knows if it will recover.
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10/12/2020 10:09:24 10 9
bbc
After the impact of Covid the prospect of no deal trading on WTO terms is madness
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10/12/2020 10:09:44 7 9
bbc
And then there's Brexit! That's the real threat, no vaccine on the horizon for it.
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10/12/2020 10:00:42 17 16
bbc
So the economy is running out of steam and we decide to go "No Deal" with our largest trade partner - seriously?
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10/12/2020 10:10:12 5 4
bbc
Takes 2 to tango...odd how you want the UK to make all the compromises. Clearly you would like us to bend the knee and grovel....again and again and again
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10/12/2020 10:10:33 10 7
bbc
Another rocket science headline from the BBC
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10/12/2020 10:10:34 9 6
bbc
This article is a bit like saying winter is colder than summer.
Stating the obvious as there are still millions furloughed and the economy will not 'rebound' for years to come.
Then of course Brexit, another huge fly in the ointment.
Oh joy.
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10/12/2020 09:59:53 20 17
bbc
Well now we've got a trade deal with Singapore I'm sure that'll make up for everything. *rolls eyes*
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10/12/2020 10:11:34 16 3
bbc
And Canada worth 20 billion. Singapore imports virtually everything, so an opportunity...positive news I would say.
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10/12/2020 10:11:43 1 5
bbc
It's a bungee jump alright. It's called 'The Boris bounce'
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10/12/2020 10:11:49 15 5
bbc
Just goes to a show what a fragile economy we had pre-pandemic. Little or no safety net for the most vulnerable. Perhaps an adult debate on Universal Income might be appropriate now.
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10/12/2020 09:57:45 29 7
bbc
And the forecast for November is another drop in GDP.
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10/12/2020 10:11:51 21 2
bbc
We could have all predicted that!!!
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10/12/2020 12:59:25 0 1
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But we need a 100k BBC financial editor to come on the news to tell us plebs these things!
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10/12/2020 10:12:35 7 7
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The rapidity and extent of the bounce-back is very encouraging. Such a shame that the article contains so much doom and gloom and no comparison with the rest of the world that is going through the same process, plus the usual Brexit blame.
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10/12/2020 10:12:48 27 6
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The dead cat didn't get very high
Good thing there isn't another economic disaster around the corner!!
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10/12/2020 10:15:07 3 0
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The dead cat bounce was based almost entirely on the vaccine news, it wasn't even really a "real" reflection on the quality of the companies!!
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10/12/2020 10:06:13 38 10
bbc
For comparison, there was no growth at all for October 2019.
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10/12/2020 10:13:14 24 6
bbc
For the down voters - that's the ONS' words, not mine.
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10/12/2020 14:11:23 0 0
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You don't expect people to believe FACTS, they would much rather believe the fantasists and conspiracy merchants.
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10/12/2020 10:01:16 65 20
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Economy is fine.

Governments closing things are the issue.
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10/12/2020 10:13:25 54 13
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If only they'd have maybe closed some borders....
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10/12/2020 11:05:15 2 5
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If only we had taken the alternate path & not shut anything.
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10/12/2020 11:23:18 4 0
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Lol exactly ukgovs own 'decisions'.. Late, fails, u turns, chumocracy have delivered 60,000 deaths & 12% gdp drop 2020.
Taiwan just 7 covid deaths, just 2%gdp drop.
Then see Japan, S Korea, Ozz, nz.
BBC compares UK with.. UK.
Where's actual global reporting from a supposedly global organisation!?
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10/12/2020 10:13:58 3 1
bbc
Meanwhile:
Reuters: https://tinyurl.com/y3w6nmcm
Booming car sales drove a stronger-than-expected jump in German industrial output in October, in a further sign that the export-oriented manufacturing sector helped Europe’s largest economy to get off to a solid start in the fourth quarter.
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10/12/2020 10:14:08 20 16
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People hold onto their money during lockdown, then spend it all when the shops are open, they run down their savings and have to economise at home...

...and growth in the 'market' speeds up and slows down as a reflection of this.

This is normal, BBC. This is the norm!

STOP peddling the doom and gloom, BBC.
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10/12/2020 10:29:18 13 4
bbc
It's not normal in so far as we don't normally manufacture an economic crash by closing large sectors of the economy.

Yrs, the economic consequence was predictable. But the cause was avoidable
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10/12/2020 10:38:37 0 2
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
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10/12/2020 10:14:17 13 13
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Again Biased BBC reporting.Of course the growth becomes smaller each month but it is still growth moving towards where we were before the covid crisis.I am amazed that it was this good as we already had the tier system in place and Wales had a lockdown.It is a disgrace that the BBC looks only for the negative
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10/12/2020 10:19:35 2 1
bbc
Yes but ... tortoise and hare paradox comes to mind
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10/12/2020 10:30:36 1 1
bbc
Usual knocking of BBC because it doesn't meet your views,you should write for the dfail,exp,sxx,it's their limit of intelligence
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10/12/2020 10:14:44 19 11
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Just like Captain Tom, I keep telling myself tomorrow will be a 'Better Day" than I look at our so-called Government and I think that they are just a bunch of self serving politicians who couldn't give a cutlers toss other than their own self serving agenda. Wherever the is a politician matters turn toxic.
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10/12/2020 10:14:48 21 19
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And brexit will be the last nail in the coffin. The UK is a growing fiasco
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10/12/2020 10:16:30 26 13
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Sixth consecutive month of growth. Be interested to see comparisons with EU countries and rest of world.
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10/12/2020 10:28:19 20 17
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German a lot better but off course your gutter Tory press won't tell you,just usual rubbish about Harry and his wife or that film
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10/12/2020 10:03:52 87 50
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Just to be clear, this isn't covid-19, it's the Government's response to it.
Blinkered and blunt policy, haemoraging money.
They have destroyed people's lives, and they do not care. Every one of them is self serving.
They are not fit for purpose, nor are Labour.
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10/12/2020 10:16:44 64 13
bbc
MPs and equivalents of the devolved nations should:

1. Have one job only. No directorships, no silent partnerships, nothing.
2. Serve at most 2 terms.
3. Not be allowed to engage at all with any family member in business on behalf of government - either the MP stands down if it's required, or another business is used.
4. Have at least 10 years of work experience - no Oxbridge PPE career routes.
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10/12/2020 10:26:02 7 5
bbc
Agree.
Rushi Sunak's failure to disclose his wife's business interests is disgraceful. Evasion, avoidance?He should be sacked. He knows his responsibility.
The fact the Ethics Committee didn't challenge him tells you everything is corrupt.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-wife-conflict-interest-b1763667.html
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10/12/2020 10:32:37 3 2
bbc
If you can only serve two terms, how would you find someone suitably experienced to be Prime minister?
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10/12/2020 10:39:52 7 2
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You haven't thought through your proposal.

The most respected MPs (from all parties) are those that have been serving their constituents for 20+ years.
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10/12/2020 12:35:48 0 0
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And what does that have to do with the article?
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10/12/2020 10:08:09 29 13
bbc
There is nothing wrong with our economy if the Government would just let it function. The problem is they keep fiddling with lock downs and tier systems and do more U-Turns than a driving instructor .
38
10/12/2020 10:17:45 9 9
bbc
If the gov did lockdown like others instead of toying and infighting, maybe some people would learn better and quicker!
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10/12/2020 09:57:45 29 7
bbc
And the forecast for November is another drop in GDP.
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10/12/2020 10:18:17 1 2
bbc
Yes. It looks like a classic downward spiral is unwinding here. It is too late to save much of the hospitality sector. Aviation is still contracting (gulp!). Eco-warriors are gaining the upper hand by wanting to keep airlines out of the sky and car drivers off the road.
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10/12/2020 10:18:51 22 10
bbc
It would had been nice for the BBC to have done a little more in-depth journalism. Some graphics showing comparisons with other countries would helped to give a fuller picture.
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10/12/2020 10:26:58 18 18
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How boring to kept knocking the BBC,Look at ITV and Sky,same news,grow up please
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10/12/2020 10:19:30 99 13
bbc
Anyone with half a brain knows that the endless pursuit of "growth" is not possible or feasible and is leading to the destruction of much of the environment, yet here we are again anxiously looking for growth and complaining when it is not high.

This time is an excellent one for looking at some way forward that does not depend on endless, expanding consumerism. I don't know the answer.
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RM
10/12/2020 10:22:43 54 37
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Communism is not the answer.
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10/12/2020 10:48:21 4 0
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No one does, as we can clearly see. Debt is the short (a few decades) fix.
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10/12/2020 11:21:10 4 2
bbc
Too many mouths and not enough resources
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10/12/2020 11:29:03 5 1
bbc
Possibly circular economy as far as possible.
Some changes to UK political system.. Because now long list of unexplained fails covid, austerity, brexit (easiest deal in history), fptp where bj gets 80 seat majority on just 44% UK vote. MPs mooted to get 5% pay increase for their world beating Covid fails.
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10/12/2020 11:39:31 4 3
bbc
The EU is a Capitalist/Globalist organisation. It needs to expand East into "Russia" or South into Asia to secure the next source of Cheap labour and resources if it does not want to be overrun or controlled by the Chinese or American Economies. Russia understands this threat which has been quite plain to see in Ukraine. Britain now out needs to chose a bigger boy to hang around with or step back.
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10/12/2020 10:14:17 13 13
bbc
Again Biased BBC reporting.Of course the growth becomes smaller each month but it is still growth moving towards where we were before the covid crisis.I am amazed that it was this good as we already had the tier system in place and Wales had a lockdown.It is a disgrace that the BBC looks only for the negative
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10/12/2020 10:19:35 2 1
bbc
Yes but ... tortoise and hare paradox comes to mind
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10/12/2020 10:19:39 52 6
bbc
Funnily enough, this is what happens when you shut everything down and confidence ebbs away as a result, people hold back on investment etc etc. Not rocket science!
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10/12/2020 10:20:18 10 10
bbc
What absolutely fantastic news, six consecutive months of growth, the monkey of the EU is almost finally off our backs, rejoice, upwards and onwards.
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10/12/2020 10:25:28 8 7
bbc
You know what if the Tories and their press told you the week had 8 days you would believe them,so struck in the sand,wake up
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10/12/2020 10:26:59 3 5
bbc
I fully concur, the benefits of getting out of this loathsome Cartel will be invigorating.
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10/12/2020 10:21:11 9 7
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You mean that even with everything we have been through in 2020, and continue to go through in to 2021, the economy still grew?

Fair play UK.
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10/12/2020 10:25:04 5 9
bbc
Month on month growth yes because September was low.

Year on year it's a disaster
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10/12/2020 10:36:25 2 1
bbc
What an embarassingly simplistic understanding of basic economics...
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10/12/2020 11:06:15 1 0
bbc
No, the economy has dropped by around 8% from the beginning of the year (the graph in the article clearly shows it). November will be another drop by 2-4%, to 10%-12% depending on how much the lockdown affected things. December will be a recovery from November, with Christmas sales boost.
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10/12/2020 10:19:30 99 13
bbc
Anyone with half a brain knows that the endless pursuit of "growth" is not possible or feasible and is leading to the destruction of much of the environment, yet here we are again anxiously looking for growth and complaining when it is not high.

This time is an excellent one for looking at some way forward that does not depend on endless, expanding consumerism. I don't know the answer.
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RM
10/12/2020 10:22:43 54 37
bbc
Communism is not the answer.
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10/12/2020 10:37:15 20 5
bbc
Michael did not mention Communism anywhere; there are more economic systems than just Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, etc. An alternative approach should be put to a debate, where the solution maybe a new system we've never heard of before.
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10/12/2020 10:37:37 11 2
bbc
He never said it was. There are alternatives you know..
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10/12/2020 10:58:12 11 5
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How would anyone know, we have never tried it anywhere in the world it always having been corrupted from the top from the beginning in any project.
However I will accept it won’t work here - the British are not naturally disposed towards sharing when you review our global or domestic history.
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10/12/2020 13:05:19 1 2
bbc
Communism has done at least as much environmental damage as capitalism. At least with democratic capitalism those of us who want to stop environmental damage get a say without being sent for re-education!
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10/12/2020 13:18:59 0 1
bbc
Socialism is the redistribution of wealth the plebs (us) produce (we produce virtually all of it) away from the rich back to us through infrastructure & public spending. Only seen in the West.

Communism is supposed to eventually develop from socialism & envisages that the need for government would have disappeared, with people "ruling" themselves. Only genuine historic example: kibbutz!
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10/12/2020 13:27:04 1 1
bbc
I suspect you are thinking of the examples of the USSR and China, and I would point out that the most successful economy of the last few decades has been the Chinese command economy; I'm pointing a fact out & not supporting a totalitarian fascist state.

Any divergence from a Capitalist model will be described by Capitalists as either socialist or communist in the hope of retaining the status quo.
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10/12/2020 17:02:15 0 0
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that's a bit of straw man you have going on there
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11/12/2020 08:56:52 0 0
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Tell the SNP and Czar Nicola that...
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10/12/2020 10:24:40 6 12
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If Johnson and Cummings had taken this seriously and managed the crisis properly from the start then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Just look at China, that's how you control an epidemic - their economy is already back to where it was. We've been the worst hit country in Europe for good reason, it's called bad leadership.
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10/12/2020 12:31:38 0 1
bbc
Erm, no we haven't check out France, Italy, Spain and Portugal...or is Europe only Germany nowadays?
45
10/12/2020 10:21:11 9 7
bbc
You mean that even with everything we have been through in 2020, and continue to go through in to 2021, the economy still grew?

Fair play UK.
48
10/12/2020 10:25:04 5 9
bbc
Month on month growth yes because September was low.

Year on year it's a disaster
44
10/12/2020 10:20:18 10 10
bbc
What absolutely fantastic news, six consecutive months of growth, the monkey of the EU is almost finally off our backs, rejoice, upwards and onwards.
49
10/12/2020 10:25:28 8 7
bbc
You know what if the Tories and their press told you the week had 8 days you would believe them,so struck in the sand,wake up
64
10/12/2020 10:30:09 2 3
bbc
Careful what you say. The Tories would have us work 8 days a week. Once we are out of the EU regulations, just watch our workers rights melt away.
50
10/12/2020 10:25:28 101 41
bbc
Wow! So we're doing better than Germany!. Don't see the press saying that, do you? Or that their average daily death rate from Covid is higher than ours. No shortage of articles saying how great they were before - now, just silence.
92
10/12/2020 10:38:57 64 76
bbc
Oh dear....the German economy is much larger than the UK's...much larger, just check and compare GDP. Even if Germany went through a bigger recession than the UK it would still be much larger. Germany have recorded around about 20000 deaths to date and UK at least triple that (and Germany has a much larger population)...but again stick your small Brexiteer head in the sand. We are just a shambles.
103
10/12/2020 10:41:24 19 10
bbc
Regrettably there is a lack of balance in the BBC's coverage of many events.
190
10/12/2020 11:16:35 5 4
bbc
Why this constant need to compare to other countries? We're not in q world wide competition where our goal is to win the economy and tank other countries.
218
10/12/2020 11:30:52 14 2
bbc
Not mentioning of Germany avoids making our figures look bad.
German annual GDP is down 4% in line with the rest of the EU.
Ours is down by around 9%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe
243
10/12/2020 11:46:32 9 0
bbc
"Don't see the press saying that, do you?"
Because it is NOT true - Why don't you get your facts straight before posting? Otherwise it just leads to an unhealthy environment of false information :-(
259
10/12/2020 12:00:51 6 3
bbc
It's near end of pandemic. Covid vacc being rolled out now.
Explain ukgovs 11 months of covid late, u turns, fails, chumocracy etc.
BJ says world beating.
Explain Taiwans just 7 covid deaths, 2% gdp fall 2020.
Then explain s Korea, Japan, ozz, nz.
Explain why UKgov didn't watch, learn, copy, improve on SE Asia response, which was months before covid hit UK.
Perhaps explain austerity decade?
341
10/12/2020 13:32:51 3 2
bbc
85 up votes from the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine for a deliberately inaccurate, misleading comment.

As others have said in reply, the German economy is performing much better than ours, and that's despite Trump's trade war on China; which affected the German economy.
379
10/12/2020 16:17:46 1 0
bbc
Germany death rate per 1m of population is "only" 249. UK death rate per 1m is an astounding 919. Over 3 times worse. UK productivity rates compared to Germany (and even France) are not as good.
396
10/12/2020 19:11:42 0 0
bbc
Your a clown. Germany has a much lower Covid death rate than ours. German will recover faster while we will take years thanks to Brexit
51
10/12/2020 10:25:59 7 13
bbc
Send a proper negotiator Brussels, for pity's sake. All BJ can do is bluff, bluster and attempt to bludgeon the EU into submission. Hopeless. He's left the club, because he did not want to pay the sub or obey the rules, but did expect still keep all the benefits. What did he expect? Where is the £350 million for the NHS now?
37
10/12/2020 10:16:44 64 13
bbc
MPs and equivalents of the devolved nations should:

1. Have one job only. No directorships, no silent partnerships, nothing.
2. Serve at most 2 terms.
3. Not be allowed to engage at all with any family member in business on behalf of government - either the MP stands down if it's required, or another business is used.
4. Have at least 10 years of work experience - no Oxbridge PPE career routes.
52
10/12/2020 10:26:02 7 5
bbc
Agree.
Rushi Sunak's failure to disclose his wife's business interests is disgraceful. Evasion, avoidance?He should be sacked. He knows his responsibility.
The fact the Ethics Committee didn't challenge him tells you everything is corrupt.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-wife-conflict-interest-b1763667.html
75
10/12/2020 10:34:33 5 2
bbc
Any opposition worth their salt would be having a field day with what has happened in the last 9 months.

Unfortunately Labour et al keep abstaining! You cannot waste a vote any more than this... disgraceful.

I'm eternally grateful for the scientists working on the vaccine... and what a refreshing change to have straight answers to questions in media interviews! Politicians take note!
53
10/12/2020 10:26:20 1 4
bbc
If we were shown GDP Per Capita it would reveal a much worse scene. The population growth is about 0.5-0.8 per cent pa. which is why most people on less than high income don't feel better off in GDP growth times. There should be a law that GDP figures should always be Per Capita.
40
10/12/2020 10:18:51 22 10
bbc
It would had been nice for the BBC to have done a little more in-depth journalism. Some graphics showing comparisons with other countries would helped to give a fuller picture.
54
10/12/2020 10:26:58 18 18
bbc
How boring to kept knocking the BBC,Look at ITV and Sky,same news,grow up please
128
10/12/2020 10:47:41 4 2
bbc
But this is where the article is!
210
10/12/2020 11:27:03 1 1
bbc
But you can get prosecuted for not funding the BBC, you cant with the others
44
10/12/2020 10:20:18 10 10
bbc
What absolutely fantastic news, six consecutive months of growth, the monkey of the EU is almost finally off our backs, rejoice, upwards and onwards.
55
10/12/2020 10:26:59 3 5
bbc
I fully concur, the benefits of getting out of this loathsome Cartel will be invigorating.
36
10/12/2020 10:16:30 26 13
bbc
Sixth consecutive month of growth. Be interested to see comparisons with EU countries and rest of world.
56
10/12/2020 10:28:19 20 17
bbc
German a lot better but off course your gutter Tory press won't tell you,just usual rubbish about Harry and his wife or that film
137
10/12/2020 10:50:51 5 4
bbc
Believe only Argentina is forecast to perform worse than the UK overall. Not sure what the problem in Argentina is but we all know what the problems here are (except those who hold power of course)
168
10/12/2020 11:04:07 4 1
bbc
Someone who clearly hasn't read the figures and just decided to rant lies anyway..
Pathetic
207
10/12/2020 11:25:27 3 6
bbc
Germany isn't the EU. Oh hold on they just run it for their own gain
304
10/12/2020 12:39:10 1 3
bbc
Germany is way worse off and was in recession in April of 2020 as there economy collapsed 6 months in 2019 before the virus even started due people not buying cars even before the virus .
57
10/12/2020 10:29:06 2 1
bbc
Well what do you expect with the economy. We are having lockdowns and various Tiers so many DON'T do as advised they just go out and panic buy. With todays headlines about Boris's meeting they will start again and again. WHY. The shops cannot keep up with demand - just look at Felixstowe docks!!!
58
10/12/2020 10:03:32 6 6
bbc
I think these constant negative stories are just here to keep all the remoaners in one place so we dont have to suffer their Trump like denial of losing. They can all sit here and be smug together while we ignore their bleating.
77
10/12/2020 10:35:04 3 4
bbc
You won get over it.

But be prepared to be reminded of how you "won" for years to come. It's going to be all yours :-)
59
10/12/2020 10:04:21 4 9
bbc
This is a consequence of the middle-class lockdownists thinking that health trumps wealth in all circumstances. A recession of disastrous proportions, with no V-shape recovery, plus this doesn’t even account for the effects of the second lockdown.

All pushed by the BBC of course, used by the government as a tool to scare us into submission.
60
10/12/2020 10:29:11 8 5
bbc
Usual BBC 'let's make good news as bad as we can get away with' because it's against their Islington posh mindset. And people saying look at China need to remember that (a) China is still lying about COVID and (b) hammered people and removed their human rights to slow COVID and get economy back. You DO know they're using prisoners and Ughars etc to keep factories going despite dying like flies?
109
10/12/2020 10:43:31 3 3
bbc
BBC News has been Conservative run for over a decade. The news is disastrous. Deal with it. You won.
32
10/12/2020 10:14:08 20 16
bbc
People hold onto their money during lockdown, then spend it all when the shops are open, they run down their savings and have to economise at home...

...and growth in the 'market' speeds up and slows down as a reflection of this.

This is normal, BBC. This is the norm!

STOP peddling the doom and gloom, BBC.
61
10/12/2020 10:29:18 13 4
bbc
It's not normal in so far as we don't normally manufacture an economic crash by closing large sectors of the economy.

Yrs, the economic consequence was predictable. But the cause was avoidable
398
10/12/2020 22:09:49 0 0
bbc
Alright, it's cause and effect then, but it still should not come as a surprise anyone.

(To anyone but the media it seems.)
Good grief BBC, you do love bad news don't you?

You are SUPPOSED to be balanced. Some good, some bad. But you seem to specialise in just bad. Well done you.
Removed
116
10/12/2020 10:44:56 14 17
bbc
If this was good news then a like to see what you consider bad,just because it doesn't meet your views,your unbelievable
136
10/12/2020 10:50:21 3 0
bbc
Balance doesn't mean mixing 50% bad stories and 50% good stories. The nature of reportable news means that most of it is bad.

Where the BBC gets it wrong is thinking that balance means equal weight to both sides of the story (or opinion), even if one side only represents 5% or less of views/consensus/agreement. Example: climate change, giving 50% of an interview to a climate change denier.
260
10/12/2020 12:01:23 0 0
bbc
Did you read the report about the cure?

Unfortunately the bbc won’t just report good news because bad news exists.

If you want one sided news head to OAN.
5
bdp
10/12/2020 10:02:03 192 22
bbc
There is absolutely no point in showing anything to do with GDP while we are in and out of lockdowns this is a unusual period in time. Most hospitality sectors are still shutdown for a start.
63
10/12/2020 10:29:45 11 4
bbc
Agreed. We don't need six paragraphs of analysis by Andy Verity. One sentence would have sufficed;

"This year the UK economy GDP directly reflects the lockdown measures and restrictions that have been imposed."
118
10/12/2020 10:45:20 5 5
bbc
So presumably next year it will say "This year the UK economy GDP directly reflects the effects of berxit and the restrictive economic policies that have been imposed."?

Hilarious.
49
10/12/2020 10:25:28 8 7
bbc
You know what if the Tories and their press told you the week had 8 days you would believe them,so struck in the sand,wake up
64
10/12/2020 10:30:09 2 3
bbc
Careful what you say. The Tories would have us work 8 days a week. Once we are out of the EU regulations, just watch our workers rights melt away.
65
10/12/2020 10:30:26 4 2
bbc
Did anyone expect the growth to continue at 10%, at some point it was going to have to ‘slow’. We also have lots of businesses unable to operate due to COVID restrictions so it was never going to return to same level as before COVID
33
10/12/2020 10:14:17 13 13
bbc
Again Biased BBC reporting.Of course the growth becomes smaller each month but it is still growth moving towards where we were before the covid crisis.I am amazed that it was this good as we already had the tier system in place and Wales had a lockdown.It is a disgrace that the BBC looks only for the negative
66
10/12/2020 10:30:36 1 1
bbc
Usual knocking of BBC because it doesn't meet your views,you should write for the dfail,exp,sxx,it's their limit of intelligence
12
10/12/2020 10:06:44 136 32
bbc
Well who would have thought it....you cant shut down the economy as a whole and expect to see the same growth trend. What a waste of space this article and the headline is.
67
10/12/2020 10:30:47 30 48
bbc
So would you rather the government shut down the economy and the public were not informed of the consequences?
194
10/12/2020 11:19:45 3 5
bbc
Ukpublic haven't had a say in covid.
MPs and parties seem silent.
Ukgov has delivered world leading fails.. 60,000 deaths & 12% gdp drop.
Taiwan just 7deaths, 2% gdp drop.
Then see s Korea, Japan, ozz, nz.
BBC compares UK with UK.
263
10/12/2020 12:04:50 1 1
bbc
Brexiteers are like that. Authoritarian - except for them
300
10/12/2020 12:42:42 0 0
bbc
If a non-thinking Brexit lover I think the answer is Yes.

We live in dangerous times.
348
10/12/2020 13:51:27 1 0
bbc
So you think they should publish the brexit impact report then!
37
10/12/2020 10:16:44 64 13
bbc
MPs and equivalents of the devolved nations should:

1. Have one job only. No directorships, no silent partnerships, nothing.
2. Serve at most 2 terms.
3. Not be allowed to engage at all with any family member in business on behalf of government - either the MP stands down if it's required, or another business is used.
4. Have at least 10 years of work experience - no Oxbridge PPE career routes.
68
10/12/2020 10:32:37 3 2
bbc
If you can only serve two terms, how would you find someone suitably experienced to be Prime minister?
98
10/12/2020 10:40:31 4 2
bbc
Current system isn't producing the best candidates if the last three are anything to go by.......
230
10/12/2020 11:34:20 0 0
bbc
And BJ, Camoron, May were successes?
What experience? What successes?
Cordym was running for PM.. 2 A levels and his experience seemed to be Dementum puppet.
Can politicians think straight? Starmer mandates abstention by all lab MPs.. On an issue important to UK for politics.. Not to help ukpublic or country.. So that he improves his election chances. Sure Cons do same. Chumocracy? Fptp?
69
10/12/2020 10:32:46 9 6
bbc
Considering where we were at the start of this pandemic and the massive hit we have had to take and rightly so as well with the lockdowns that have been required I think economically the situation has been handled well in the main. Not everyone or every business was able to be protected and I feel sorry for those people but overall the government have done well in my opinion.
70
10/12/2020 10:33:00 46 10
bbc
My once thriving business is now nearly dead. I doubt it will recover.

My sister-in-law meanwhile gloats about the money and time she's saved "working from home" (she literally does the quotation fingers) for a Council run service which hasn't fully operated in 9 months... £30k a year.

All in this together, yeah?
78
10/12/2020 10:36:01 23 5
bbc
you'd think they would have the humility to just say nothing.
94
10/12/2020 10:39:22 9 1
bbc
She sounds horrible.
Why gloat around less fortunate people, apart from making up for her own character deficiencies of course.
I wish you well.
114
10/12/2020 10:44:11 11 0
bbc
You can pick your friends but your stuck with your relatives.
121
10/12/2020 10:45:33 5 0
bbc
I really feel your pain. I am a mature student, usually work part-time but haven't been able to find work since June. I have friends who have been 'working from home' or furloughed who have saved up enough for a house deposit. I'm pleased for my friends but it just shows this pandemic was definitely not a great leveller.
154
10/12/2020 10:55:16 12 1
bbc
Thanks for kind words.
To be clear, I don't want anyone to lose their jobs but the private sector is falling apart.

But why should my taxi driver neighbour have to rely on Universal Credit to survive whilst someone in the Public Sector is effectively redundant but kept on at £30k for the sake of lessening the apparent economic fallout? It's not fair or sustainable.
161
10/12/2020 10:58:41 2 3
bbc
Usual working from home savings: commuting, lunches, coffee, after-work drinks/socialising. There is no way anyone saved £30k from that, she must be embezzling from the council! More likely she just suspended mortgage/loans/creditcard repayments as soon as she could, but that debt is still there.
261
10/12/2020 12:01:59 2 3
bbc
Retrain and get a new job.
314
10/12/2020 12:57:32 3 0
bbc
16k BBC staff furloughed at home on full wages to produce this statement No S**T Sherlock
336
10/12/2020 13:10:20 0 0
bbc
Don't worry, public sector pay freeze coming right up! Although they will still get their incremental annual rises!
5
bdp
10/12/2020 10:02:03 192 22
bbc
There is absolutely no point in showing anything to do with GDP while we are in and out of lockdowns this is a unusual period in time. Most hospitality sectors are still shutdown for a start.
71
10/12/2020 10:33:27 9 10
bbc
There is a point in showing it. It shows the damage the lockdown is causing.
72
Ant
10/12/2020 10:33:51 3 3
bbc
Who benefits from the UK economy as it is presently constituted? Businesses and a minority of the population? That simply isn't good enough in a Democracy where everyone, benefiting or not, has a vote.

Business and government recognize this and are attempting to rectify it (albeit incompetently and very slowly).

Business is being dragged kicking and screaming to distribute its activity fairly.
102
10/12/2020 10:41:24 1 0
bbc
Not by this Government. Not even close.
73
10/12/2020 10:34:00 7 4
bbc
What? with ongoing restrictions and then another lockdown growth has been lack lustre!? you don't say!
138
10/12/2020 10:51:06 2 0
bbc
These are figures for October, lockdown 2.0 was in November for England. These are also Month on Month growth numbers so compared to September.
74
10/12/2020 10:34:26 5 3
bbc
The UK was still running a £40BN a year deficit before the pandemic & expects a £55BN one next year. On top of that we are effectively in negative equity as a country with Debt Higher than our GDP.

Feel sorry for future generations. Need to make significant changes now to provide a better future for them (but in this selfish society, that will never win votes so wont happen - Were Doomed)
83
10/12/2020 10:36:42 3 1
bbc
Tax politicians at top band rate on all their income, just to show willing and for the privilege of doing the job?
52
10/12/2020 10:26:02 7 5
bbc
Agree.
Rushi Sunak's failure to disclose his wife's business interests is disgraceful. Evasion, avoidance?He should be sacked. He knows his responsibility.
The fact the Ethics Committee didn't challenge him tells you everything is corrupt.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-wife-conflict-interest-b1763667.html
75
10/12/2020 10:34:33 5 2
bbc
Any opposition worth their salt would be having a field day with what has happened in the last 9 months.

Unfortunately Labour et al keep abstaining! You cannot waste a vote any more than this... disgraceful.

I'm eternally grateful for the scientists working on the vaccine... and what a refreshing change to have straight answers to questions in media interviews! Politicians take note!
239
10/12/2020 11:39:52 1 0
bbc
Lol exactly
List of unexplained fails to date

Covid.. World beating deaths & gdp fall compared to other countries.
Austerity decade.
Brexit.. Easiest deal in history.
Long list pfi fails.
Long list reorganisation fails.
Chumocracy.
Grenfell.. 250 hi rise UKwide flammable not just one council, builder.
317
10/12/2020 12:59:50 0 0
bbc
Why, what would Labour have done differently that justifies objection other than " for the sake of it"?
76
10/12/2020 10:35:04 3 7
bbc
The government have spent many , many billions, buying things freely in the last year. Shouldn't this filter through into growth? It was actually spent, not burnt.
97
10/12/2020 10:40:06 3 2
bbc
Spending on untendered contracts for your Vote Leave mates isn't Capital Spending. You do know economies vis a vis spending works?
132
10/12/2020 10:49:15 0 1
bbc
They spent it abroad on non compliant ppe and foreign based business intermediarys
58
10/12/2020 10:03:32 6 6
bbc
I think these constant negative stories are just here to keep all the remoaners in one place so we dont have to suffer their Trump like denial of losing. They can all sit here and be smug together while we ignore their bleating.
77
10/12/2020 10:35:04 3 4
bbc
You won get over it.

But be prepared to be reminded of how you "won" for years to come. It's going to be all yours :-)
70
10/12/2020 10:33:00 46 10
bbc
My once thriving business is now nearly dead. I doubt it will recover.

My sister-in-law meanwhile gloats about the money and time she's saved "working from home" (she literally does the quotation fingers) for a Council run service which hasn't fully operated in 9 months... £30k a year.

All in this together, yeah?
78
10/12/2020 10:36:01 23 5
bbc
you'd think they would have the humility to just say nothing.
353
10/12/2020 14:10:38 0 0
bbc
My brother's an odd chap to be fair..
79
10/12/2020 10:36:01 10 8
bbc
Here is how the BBC would report this story: An elderly man luckily man wins £175 on the Euro millions lottery. But a £20 gnome was stolen from his garden whilst he was collecting the cheque....

''Pensioner has garden ornaments stolen by callous thieves.''
91
10/12/2020 10:38:39 3 3
bbc
What a ridiculous false argument. If one is going to frame it in such a away say that the man won £20 and the gnome was worth £175...
232
10/12/2020 11:35:04 1 0
bbc
So did you object when Michael McIntyre made millions from comedy and then had his phone stolen? Did you say that the BBC should have reported only his good fortune, not the crime that was committed against him?
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Ron
10/12/2020 10:36:16 9 6
bbc
The BBC only gives international comparisons when it's a chance for anti British propaganda.

0.4% is one of the best in Europe in October. The economy growing at all is a miracle. Large parts were still in effective lockdown and others e.g. Wales were in a new lockdown

Most who complain about the economy having shrunk are the very same people who want to ban businesses from trading.
104
10/12/2020 10:42:13 4 3
bbc
Ron kept taking the tablets,you seem to live in a different world,one day you may wake up,then stop reading that gutter press, reminder those people who run the dfail,exp,sxx are multi millionaires,they only looking after their own interests
45
10/12/2020 10:21:11 9 7
bbc
You mean that even with everything we have been through in 2020, and continue to go through in to 2021, the economy still grew?

Fair play UK.
81
10/12/2020 10:36:25 2 1
bbc
What an embarassingly simplistic understanding of basic economics...
82
10/12/2020 10:36:27 4 11
bbc
What a disastrous, catastrophic, profligate Government we have in power. Absolutely useless. All they had to do, like other sensible countries, was to make mask wearing mandatory in March and we wouldn't be in this mess. Not even close.
95
10/12/2020 10:39:50 0 3
bbc
What masks? There were none available!
106
10/12/2020 10:42:52 1 2
bbc
Ah yes, a piece of cloth over your face will solve everything.

Just like they aren't now.
74
10/12/2020 10:34:26 5 3
bbc
The UK was still running a £40BN a year deficit before the pandemic & expects a £55BN one next year. On top of that we are effectively in negative equity as a country with Debt Higher than our GDP.

Feel sorry for future generations. Need to make significant changes now to provide a better future for them (but in this selfish society, that will never win votes so wont happen - Were Doomed)
83
10/12/2020 10:36:42 3 1
bbc
Tax politicians at top band rate on all their income, just to show willing and for the privilege of doing the job?
122
10/12/2020 10:45:39 0 0
bbc
Make the tax system generally more progressive, uniform & fair.

Scrap separate tax free allowance for dividends, Cap Gains, Inheritance etc & treat as income in the year received - applying income tax rates & thresholds accordingly

Scrap various 'minor' reliefs OAP exemption from NI, Marriage allowance etc.

Align Self Employed NI & State pension with employees

It all adds up....
11
10/12/2020 10:06:24 33 6
bbc
While this crisis is driven by the pandemic, the economy was not very resilient before this year.

This is evident in the Bank of England feeling the need to keep rates low and keep QE going for over a decade now, to encourage borrowing and spending, not saving.

Both private and public debt are ballooning; we need to completely restructure the economy to be more resilient and sustainable.
84
10/12/2020 10:36:49 25 4
bbc
Interest rates around the world are rock bottom and banks printing money like there is no tomorrow. It is not just in this country
85
Ant
10/12/2020 10:37:10 3 3
bbc
For as long as businesses continue to treat the majority of the British population like an annoying irrelevance, while coseying up to the minority who are willing to lick their boots, their ability to profit will continue to be under siege

Businesses profit from doing business in the UK, it is their interests to conduct themselves in a manner consistent with the interest of the entire population.
46
RM
10/12/2020 10:22:43 54 37
bbc
Communism is not the answer.
86
10/12/2020 10:37:15 20 5
bbc
Michael did not mention Communism anywhere; there are more economic systems than just Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, etc. An alternative approach should be put to a debate, where the solution maybe a new system we've never heard of before.
9
10/12/2020 10:05:37 75 22
bbc
How about glass half FULL for a change. Yes, we are in a pickle, we have uncertainty on many fronts BUT, we have actual growth, we have a vaccine, we have light at the end of the tunnel & you know what? It is not and cannot be all about growth. How about we have enough for what we need and lets make it sustainable - growth growth growth leads , eventually, to total collapse. Sustainability please.
87
10/12/2020 10:37:33 46 20
bbc
But this is the BBC?
46
RM
10/12/2020 10:22:43 54 37
bbc
Communism is not the answer.
88
10/12/2020 10:37:37 11 2
bbc
He never said it was. There are alternatives you know..
89
10/12/2020 10:38:36 6 5
bbc
So, slightly tough times ahead
2 years best case, 4 years worst case
Considering it took close to a decade to recover from the 08 crash
All in all, covid & brexit, 4 years ain't too bad
101
10/12/2020 10:41:19 6 2
bbc
Another person talking with authority about something they know absolutely nothing about. How did we develop an entire generation of arrogant jack-of-alls?!
32
10/12/2020 10:14:08 20 16
bbc
People hold onto their money during lockdown, then spend it all when the shops are open, they run down their savings and have to economise at home...

...and growth in the 'market' speeds up and slows down as a reflection of this.

This is normal, BBC. This is the norm!

STOP peddling the doom and gloom, BBC.
90
10/12/2020 10:38:37 0 2
bbc
You have no idea what you are talking about.
265
10/12/2020 12:05:54 1 0
bbc
And you're the fountain of all knowledge I suppose?

Just have a day off you miserable troll.
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10/12/2020 10:36:01 10 8
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Here is how the BBC would report this story: An elderly man luckily man wins £175 on the Euro millions lottery. But a £20 gnome was stolen from his garden whilst he was collecting the cheque....

''Pensioner has garden ornaments stolen by callous thieves.''
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10/12/2020 10:38:39 3 3
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What a ridiculous false argument. If one is going to frame it in such a away say that the man won £20 and the gnome was worth £175...
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10/12/2020 10:25:28 101 41
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Wow! So we're doing better than Germany!. Don't see the press saying that, do you? Or that their average daily death rate from Covid is higher than ours. No shortage of articles saying how great they were before - now, just silence.
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10/12/2020 10:38:57 64 76
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Oh dear....the German economy is much larger than the UK's...much larger, just check and compare GDP. Even if Germany went through a bigger recession than the UK it would still be much larger. Germany have recorded around about 20000 deaths to date and UK at least triple that (and Germany has a much larger population)...but again stick your small Brexiteer head in the sand. We are just a shambles.
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10/12/2020 12:27:07 0 2
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Good grief, give it a rest.
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10/12/2020 12:49:28 1 4
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You are really pathetic
HEY STU, IF IT IS SO BAD OVER HERE THEN WHY NOT F*** OFF Removed
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10/12/2020 10:06:13 38 10
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For comparison, there was no growth at all for October 2019.
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10/12/2020 10:39:04 2 1
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Yes, but that is GOOD news by comparison. The BBC would never run that part of the news. It can increase for 20 years and they will stay silent, then it backs off for a month and out comes the BBC doom-monger.
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10/12/2020 10:33:00 46 10
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My once thriving business is now nearly dead. I doubt it will recover.

My sister-in-law meanwhile gloats about the money and time she's saved "working from home" (she literally does the quotation fingers) for a Council run service which hasn't fully operated in 9 months... £30k a year.

All in this together, yeah?
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10/12/2020 10:39:22 9 1
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She sounds horrible.
Why gloat around less fortunate people, apart from making up for her own character deficiencies of course.
I wish you well.
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10/12/2020 10:36:27 4 11
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What a disastrous, catastrophic, profligate Government we have in power. Absolutely useless. All they had to do, like other sensible countries, was to make mask wearing mandatory in March and we wouldn't be in this mess. Not even close.
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10/12/2020 10:39:50 0 3
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What masks? There were none available!
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10/12/2020 10:46:55 0 1
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Make them We could do it at home... the BBC had a very helpful video AND as we were on an existential footing the govt should have commandeered midlands sweatshops to price them. I suggested that here only s back in March/April
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10/12/2020 10:16:44 64 13
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MPs and equivalents of the devolved nations should:

1. Have one job only. No directorships, no silent partnerships, nothing.
2. Serve at most 2 terms.
3. Not be allowed to engage at all with any family member in business on behalf of government - either the MP stands down if it's required, or another business is used.
4. Have at least 10 years of work experience - no Oxbridge PPE career routes.
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10/12/2020 10:39:52 7 2
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You haven't thought through your proposal.

The most respected MPs (from all parties) are those that have been serving their constituents for 20+ years.
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10/12/2020 10:56:10 3 0
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I didn't see the word "proposal" therein... comment only.

Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and David Davis have all been around 30+ years - I would not consider them "the most respected MPs" (my opinion of course).

However I'm also open to conversation/debate... a dying art form today. Perhaps 2 terms is too little, 4 say? My key point is that being an MP for life doesn't reflect today's job market.
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10/12/2020 11:44:16 2 0
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Served how?
In last weeks starmer mandated abstention of all Lab MPs from a vote. You know the MPs supposedly representing local constituency.
Ukgov happy for ukpublic to wfh.. So where are MPs and councils online? Constituencies could vote, Q&A, be informed online, overnight.
Why is 20 years as MP a plus? Most jobs your impact, ideas will be in first 5 or 10 years. What new ideas do MPs have?
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10/12/2020 10:35:04 3 7
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The government have spent many , many billions, buying things freely in the last year. Shouldn't this filter through into growth? It was actually spent, not burnt.
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10/12/2020 10:40:06 3 2
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Spending on untendered contracts for your Vote Leave mates isn't Capital Spending. You do know economies vis a vis spending works?
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10/12/2020 10:32:37 3 2
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If you can only serve two terms, how would you find someone suitably experienced to be Prime minister?
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10/12/2020 10:40:31 4 2
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Current system isn't producing the best candidates if the last three are anything to go by.......
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10/12/2020 10:08:35 4 1
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You cant compare figures in a national castrostophy.
But thats enough about Brexit.
Cov19 hasn't helped either.
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10/12/2020 10:11:21 3 6
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Funny how the BBC didn’t post my earlier comment, so here goes:

Lockdown-ists such as the Beeb are entirely responsible for this. Enjoy years of poverty, social unrest and increase in the size of the (inefficient) state and its power.
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10/12/2020 10:43:45 3 2
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Reporting this drivel now.