Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab
09/12/2020 | news | health | 1,760
People with history of significant allergic reactions told not to have Pfizer/BioNTech jab.
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09/12/2020 12:43:15 11 8
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Grabs popcorn and waits
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09/12/2020 12:44:35 10 13
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React to so many things, think i will skip it.
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09/12/2020 12:58:58 13 9
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Hope you don't think you can skip dying....
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09/12/2020 13:32:10 3 1
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Very sensible. And, for your own safety and protection, you should encourage all those healthy folk around you, who don't have those same contraindications, to definitely get vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. Then everybody wins.
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09/12/2020 12:45:07 532 36
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This is a rare reaction but those who have serious reactions should generally already be aware of their risk. I had a very serious reaction to a flu jab years ago - not mild, but dangerous as I couldn't breath. It's on my records now not to have flu jabs and I am reluctant to have the Covid jab for this reason.
However, the majority of people will be just fine and shouldn't worry about having it.
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09/12/2020 13:10:26 282 25
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??Thank you for being the voice of reason!
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09/12/2020 13:31:51 5 3
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But shouldn't be forced or coerced.
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09/12/2020 13:22:06 12 15
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But the NHS is now saying that people will severe allergies should NOT have the jab.

That clearly means they were unaware of the risk, or else they would not have given it to these 2 people.

So, even though these 2 people knew they had allergies, they were not made aware of the risk.
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09/12/2020 13:46:01 15 28
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The vast majority of people are absolutely fine getting Covid
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09/12/2020 13:53:25 10 24
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How do you know that this is a rare reaction. It has only just been rolled out, Heaven knows if there is more to come.
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09/12/2020 13:58:00 35 9
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Also your the reason we all need to take the vaccine as you can't. so we all need to join in for people like you. Vaccination is a social responsibility.
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09/12/2020 13:59:02 6 19
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However, the majority of people will be fine (and dont even get covid symptoms when they get it and of those that get it the overwhelming majority of people will be fine) and shouldn't worry about having it.....

Right back at you...

If the illness was genuinely killing people in significant numbers (e.g ebola (50%-70% fatality rate), marburg (25%)) I think you would have a point....
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09/12/2020 14:10:23 3 24
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 14:19:04 2 2
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The highest-rated comment just confirming the idiocy of most HYS commenters and voters!

The reply to it should have had far more votes than the idiotic comment!
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09/12/2020 14:20:12 1 0
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You may take corticosteroid pills 30 min before the shot just in case (if you have allergies).
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09/12/2020 16:36:54 3 0
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I am allergic to 3 antibiotics and 2 other well used medications. I will not be having a vaccine and just to be crystal clear we all react to many things in many different ways. You may react to this vaccine and it may be the very 1st thing you have ever reacted to. Good luck to each and every one of us.
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09/12/2020 16:46:26 4 2
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They did 15% of the proper tests, they didn;t do controlled multi demographic tests, they missed a whole range of extended monitoring tests to see reactions that might have been delayed over time.

Still, if you want to take it, that is your choice, for those that do not wish to be vaccinated, that is their choice. Body autonomy over medical nazi's
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09/12/2020 17:18:38 1 0
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Allergic reaction is only one of a number of areas requiring administrators to seek answers to. They also need to know if a recipient is on immunosuppression therapy, suffers severe ferbile illness, is on anticoagulant therapy. Also as no testing was done on interaction/ contraindication they may wish to retain a list of current medication for future action.
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09/12/2020 17:16:11 1 2
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Jack, are you an approved authority on this subject that you feel you can assert that we shouldn't have any concerns and that we should trust you on this?
09/12/2020 18:42:59 0 1
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Much like the majority of people will be fine and mild or asymptomatic from contracting coronavirus.

As a fit healthy 31 year old, statistically it makes no sense to get the vaccine
09/12/2020 19:47:52 0 0
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I suspect your reaction to the Flu Jab may have been linked to the 'chicken egg' element. Check with your GP if that was the cause. If it was you should have no fear about this jab. But your GP will tell you.
09/12/2020 19:48:34 0 2
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Just like Autism. Believe the official narrative & all will be ok.
09/12/2020 20:00:34 0 0
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It may be an egg based reaction with the flu vaccine, however none of the CV-19 vaccines are made with eggs in anything like the same manner, so you should be fine (check with your Dr, of course).
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09/12/2020 12:45:10 24 42
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99.99% survival rate, oh no let's hide until a vaccine arrives to save literally none of us. Pathetic, let's get life back to normal
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09/12/2020 12:48:02 22 18
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We look forward to seeing you in a covid ward very soon. Ventilators and nappies are standard issue as are medically induced coma's.

Its a blast, I can take you on a tour and you won't need PPE as its not that dangerous!
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09/12/2020 12:58:11 4 5
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Get a grip on the statistics. Headline figures for a whole population mean nothing.
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MS
09/12/2020 14:41:03 6 1
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The survival rate is high because of the measures that have been implemented to stop the spread. Unchecked it will be much higher.

There are also plenty of people who 'survive', but with life changing brain injuries and other serious health issues.
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09/12/2020 16:48:21 4 3
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a 10% hospitalisation rate
that's 6,000,000 people
hope you don't mind queuing in the car park
oh it's a 99% survival rate with treatment
do you think you will get to the front of the queue quick enought
and if you have a 100 relatives and friends (which i doubt) but for ease of maths
which one don't you mind killing
mom
dad
granny
grandad
the kids

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09/12/2020 12:45:10 20 13
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Didn’t take long did it?
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09/12/2020 12:45:11 110 7
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This is true for any vaccine and any medication. This should always be foremost in the minds of patients and their clinicians.
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09/12/2020 12:54:21 62 155
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This important thing is that it was believed to be ok for people with allergies based on the phase three trials and yet on day one of public use it turns out they were wrong.
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09/12/2020 14:11:04 1 21
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
10/12/2020 01:50:13 0 0
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Indeed so, and the issues are known before medications are approved not after.....
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09/12/2020 12:45:28 857 179
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So they had a reaction and people have similar reactions to other vaccines.

So exactly what is the news story especially as the BBC has a separate story on not spreading scary stories relating to vaccines.

As a doctor I find these stories extremely unhelpful, as the initial report came from the Daily Mail whose readers are largely in the at risk group I suggest ignoring it!
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09/12/2020 12:55:10 285 36
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Eh I wouldn't take it as fear mongering and more of a "if you have severe allergic reactions you might want to consult your GP"

but of course people are going to interpret what they want to interpret
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xlr
09/12/2020 13:00:44 61 10
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Same is true for monoclonal antibody-based anti-cancer therapies, antivenin for snakebites, and any other large molecule pharmaceutical. A very small chance of an allergic reaction is always possible from these kind of medications, especially among those already prone to allergic reactions.

There's really nothing new here at all.
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09/12/2020 13:01:16 64 141
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If the vaccine has been properly tested then wouldn't they have know of the risks in giving it to people with serious allergies? Shouldn't they have been screening from the start and shouldn't a warning have been issued? The words 'rushed' and 'cowboy' spring to mind.
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M12
09/12/2020 13:02:36 66 93
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I think the point is that usually you find out the side effects BEFORE the vaccine is rolled out. If they have missed this, what else have they missed?!
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09/12/2020 13:04:10 45 56
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Respectfully I'm a wee bit surprised you said that and that you're a doctor.

Didn't this vaccine get 'fast tracked' instead of the normal regulatory procedure.

Saw someone on the Scottish boards trumpeting how great it was that the UK was the first to approve a vaccine in the West

But surely the fast tracking was a calculated gamble?

Understand we wouldn't want to 'fear monger' though
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09/12/2020 13:07:02 72 39
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Daily Mail readers have the double whammy of being largely in the at risk demographic, and also buying into a paper with anti-vax tendencies.

Maybe this is natural selection.
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09/12/2020 13:14:18 24 2
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It didnt say they have had severe allergic reaction to other vaccines, it said they had suffered from severe allergies and carried epipens with them. Not scaremongering, its only right that the public know if they suffer from severe allergies, not to take this vaccine.
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09/12/2020 13:17:49 17 11
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BBC are basically Fox News these days. They have a charter, but clearly don't follow any of it.
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09/12/2020 13:18:55 13 16
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yeh I bet your a dr.
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09/12/2020 13:23:04 34 7
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Agreed. Have we learned something? Yes. Did anyone suffer permanent harm? No. Is the vaccine still a far better option than catching Covid 19? Yes.
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mc
09/12/2020 13:06:48 8 11
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ignore it and die thanks doc
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09/12/2020 13:23:28 28 12
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Much of our current predicament has been caused by educated people trying to hide complicated realities because they can’t really be bothered to slow down and have the necessary conversations with people they perceive of as being beneath them.

Ignoring working class struggles led to Brexit.

Ignoring vaccine concern led to anti-vax.

It’s necessary to slow down, really listen & share knowledge
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09/12/2020 13:23:42 15 1
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It's a double edged sword. If you don't be honest and tell people, the media will eventually report it anyway but the NHS wouldn't then have control of the narrative.

There will be different vaccines, the Oxford one may end up having less side effects as it uses a different technology.
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09/12/2020 13:25:17 13 8
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What sort of doctor are you?
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09/12/2020 13:28:57 13 4
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So you wouldn't tell you patients the potential risks before administering?
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09/12/2020 13:31:22 8 11
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What a stupid comment. You're only a doctor. Get over yourself.
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09/12/2020 13:44:21 3 15
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I am sure that as a doctor you would also tell people that 2 of the 164 people who took part in the Pfizer trial died.
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09/12/2020 13:47:23 5 7
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Given the seemingly one-sided nature of media coverage in recent weeks, this is a useful reminder that not everyone who refuses to take the vaccine should be castigated. Well done to the BBC for finally adding some balance to the subject.
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09/12/2020 13:57:34 2 5
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The Daily Mail readers who online all say they are not having it to keep up the anti vax message but are actually going along to have it.
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MDR
09/12/2020 13:57:48 7 13
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The BBC are an utter disgrace putting a headline up like this. Its totally misleading - its like having a headline saying "people warned not to eat peanuts" then in the small print it says "... if you are allergic to peanuts".

Whoever wrote this should be ashamed... they are literally putting lives at risk with rubbish like this. The once great BBC News is now utterly shambolic.
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09/12/2020 13:58:28 11 3
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As a doctor, you of all people should know that for the tens of thousands of people across the UK who suffer allergic reactions, this is very important information to know. Not every person with an allergy will react to every vaccine, so it's good that the BBC highlighted this at an early stage. These people can now check with their GP's whether it's advised for them to receive the vaccine or not.
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SJ
09/12/2020 13:59:04 10 0
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It's useful information for other people with allergy histories.
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09/12/2020 13:59:12 8 0
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Surely its important to report on it. Or shall they just let the anti-vaxer propaganda machine pick it up and spread misinformation on it?
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09/12/2020 14:00:16 6 0
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Maybe better to acknowledge it’s happened along with the statements about how it’s normal and not a problem, than to look like the BBC is covering things up, making the conspiracy theorists really think there’s something scary going on.
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09/12/2020 14:08:55 2 2
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I'm not a doctor, but I thought exactly the same thing.
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09/12/2020 14:10:11 3 5
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 12:45:56 10 8
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Thanks to the Brits for testing out the vaccine.
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09/12/2020 12:54:35 5 15
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Guinea pigs to satisfy johnson's anger to cut corners.
The vaccine is made in belgium by an US german company. If it was so safe it would have been approved by the EU US already.
I will be waiting for their approval honestly
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09/12/2020 13:28:14 2 0
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The trials tested thousands of people in various countries. Millions of doses are to be administered world wide and will throw up other side effects which will be documented and feed into the ONGOING risk/benefit judgement.
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09/12/2020 12:46:20 10 5
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Nothing to see here other than "a very limited number of GP surgies will have the vaccination next week"
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09/12/2020 12:46:22 7 31
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So Maybe Dr Fauci, the USA , the EU, switzerland canada and australia were right. The UK rushed the vaccine approval for political reasons.
After all the vaccine in made in Belgium by an American agerman company.
If it was safe the EU/US would have approved it already. Why didn't we call people with allergy to be tested during the trial ? Sorry but I will wait the US EU approval. I don't trust UK
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09/12/2020 12:53:08 8 2
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Yeah - you’ve said that before - I love the irony of your user name ?????
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09/12/2020 12:54:03 6 1
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Interesting username given your last sentence.

Clearly did not score well on your English GSCE or you would have read in the article above that people did get allergic reactions during the trials. But I'll help you out as I am a kind soul.

"The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunized that may have been related to the jab."

Aspirin can do the same.
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09/12/2020 12:55:20 3 0
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Read the article. It specifically states that the trials showed 1 in 1000 people vaccinated could have an allergic reaction. Which is pretty standard for vaccinations and medications of all kinds. This is a non-story. By their own analysis above, the rate of actual reactions (2 in multiple thousands) has, so far, been lower than that predicted by the trials. The only change is a regulatory one.
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09/12/2020 12:55:56 3 0
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Read the article dummy "The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised that may have been related to the jab"
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09/12/2020 12:46:22 163 46
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they had a reaction but not too nasty but the BBC think better run a scare story so the Twitter fools can rant.
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Jim
09/12/2020 13:30:53 64 16
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Not too nasty? They required medical intervention and the advice is now for people with significant allergies to avoid the vaccine completely. That sort of advice would not be given lightly given they want as many vaccinated as possible. I will be getting the vaccine when its my turn so no scaremongering here but actually this story is for the benefit of those who it is applicable to!
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09/12/2020 13:38:15 4 1
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Do you think they should have ignored the story and not reported it?
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09/12/2020 14:11:40 1 5
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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LG
09/12/2020 16:06:58 0 0
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Other media outlets are available!
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09/12/2020 16:19:05 3 1
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The BBC informed you.
If they had not run the story they would have been suppressing "the truth" and the conspiracy theorists would be blowing off their tin-foil hats!
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09/12/2020 16:53:14 1 0
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So you would rather they said nothing and let all the other news sources report it?
09/12/2020 17:46:13 2 2
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The BBC have been running scare stories for the past 9 months over the severity of the Corona-19 virus !
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09/12/2020 12:46:40 7 25
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What a surprise that announcment is. NOT. No thanks, keep your jab
Idiot Removed
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09/12/2020 12:46:47 5 5
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First problem, wonder if more will follow. Not anti this in any way but will people worry about reactions more than the virus itself?
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09/12/2020 13:28:16 3 0
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The trials had already confirmed this likelihood, and it's nothing compared to a serious COVID infection. Read the article instead of promoting concern over very little.
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09/12/2020 13:33:45 0 0
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Please look at the big picture - two allergic reactions out of several thousand dosed. Par for the course.
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09/12/2020 12:47:07 105 22
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“Reactions like this are uncommon, but do happen with other vaccines, including the annual flu jab“......

Says all we really need to know....so maybe reflect that in your headline BBC.... but then you won’t have a story!
Exactly. Remember that well known fruitcake David Icke was once employed by the BBC Removed
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09/12/2020 16:24:14 1 0
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The BBC, damned if they inform you; damned if they don't report it exactly as some people think it should be. If they'd included this in another covid story or not reported it, some would be ranting about hiding the truth.
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09/12/2020 16:56:02 1 1
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Agreed. The media in general and the BBC, in particular, all have the mantra of why simply report the news(factually), when, with just a few minor changes of emphasis, they can actually create a news story of their own.
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09/12/2020 12:47:32 18 18
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Nice one BBC. You've managed to changed something good and brilliant for the population, into something scary and a gamble.
You are just what the country needed just before Christmas......NOT !!!!!!
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09/12/2020 12:50:18 12 3
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Every medical intervention is effectively a gamble, that is why we have informed consent
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09/12/2020 12:59:10 1 1
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I'm afraid the bods at the BBC will hide behind the monolith - bureaucracies will be the death of us all
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09/12/2020 12:47:42 21 14
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This only gives an excuse to the anti-vaxxers, who were probably going to refuse to take it anyway. No big deal.
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09/12/2020 12:59:37 12 0
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It comes down to the readers interpretation. I would love the vaccine but I need to know that my allergies put me at a slightly higher risk when taking it.

So for me it is very informative. For those who like to pedal conspiracies they would twist any information to their will. But for most sensible people they can read it and be better informed.

Hiding announcements would lead to suspicion
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09/12/2020 12:45:10 24 42
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99.99% survival rate, oh no let's hide until a vaccine arrives to save literally none of us. Pathetic, let's get life back to normal
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09/12/2020 12:48:02 22 18
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We look forward to seeing you in a covid ward very soon. Ventilators and nappies are standard issue as are medically induced coma's.

Its a blast, I can take you on a tour and you won't need PPE as its not that dangerous!
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09/12/2020 12:51:11 6 18
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I'll take my chances, I crossed the road this morning and didn't get hit by a bus. Shall I take a trip to the A&E award to see all the others that did? Shall I stay indoors because cars are dangerous. Get a grip
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09/12/2020 12:48:55 17 13
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Issues with a brand new vaccine?

Who’d have thought it.
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09/12/2020 12:56:50 16 1
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If you know your science you will know that everything that goes into your body has a side effect. Even the oxygen you breath or water you drink can be dangerous to some people.

If you read the outside of bongella, you will read about its side effects.

If you want 100% safety then you have to be 100% dead.
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09/12/2020 13:16:17 0 0
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Stop scaremongering. Two cases, with pre-existing allegies out of several thousand vaccinated.
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09/12/2020 12:49:09 19 17
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Surely this should have been stated weeks ago. What next ?????????
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09/12/2020 13:21:58 6 1
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It only happened yesterday. Two people with pre-existing allergies out of several thousand dosed. If you don't want the vaccine, don't have it. But don't peddle uninformed nonsense.
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09/12/2020 12:49:20 92 23
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Well, it happened a lot sooner than I thought..........after 1 day, the media making a big deal about 2 cases of vaccine side effects.
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09/12/2020 13:13:26 78 20
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Two cases after several thousand vaccinations. Stop scaremongering.
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Jim
09/12/2020 13:35:01 6 2
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They are not making a big deal the advice to those it applies to is to not have the vaccine which is a change/development from where we were yesterday and one the BBC should be reporting
10/12/2020 01:51:26 0 0
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After one day the safe vaccine caused an issue, not known or tested for............
10/12/2020 02:08:52 0 0
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They wern't side effects, they were allergic reactions. There is a big difference.
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09/12/2020 12:49:31 30 23
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Well done BBC - let’s open a HYS for the antivax brigade, who will now claim the allergic reaction arise from the microchips embedded within it!
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09/12/2020 12:51:46 27 3
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That’s stupid. The microchips are delivered in milk.
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09/12/2020 12:53:45 4 1
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Maybe it is good to be open and honest about the objective evidence, antivax or not.
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09/12/2020 12:55:03 1 1
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Are you advocating suppressing the reporting of facts because these might assist the 'anti-vax' brigade.
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09/12/2020 13:35:18 0 0
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At least they could stop being sensational in the title!
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09/12/2020 12:50:01 15 19
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What I find worrying is that the regulator and scientists were rather dismissive over potential allergic reactions and now only after the vaccine has started to be administered the advice has changed.

1 in 1,000 seems quite high for an allergic reaction.
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09/12/2020 12:52:39 3 8
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100 times higher than the healthy under 60 death rate for C19
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09/12/2020 12:53:56 1 1
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It’s
S the same as for all vaccines, including seasonal flu. People who have to carry adrenaline e with them like these two cases should be extra careful.
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09/12/2020 12:55:05 2 2
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It's not 1 in a 1000... It's 2 out of thousands and even then its too small a sample for your figure
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09/12/2020 12:56:00 4 1
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All normal stuff. To be expected. There are rare cases with all vaccines, mostly mild and nearly all easily treated on scene as per mild anaphylaxis.
I’ll be at the front of the queue when invited for my jab.
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09/12/2020 12:47:32 18 18
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Nice one BBC. You've managed to changed something good and brilliant for the population, into something scary and a gamble.
You are just what the country needed just before Christmas......NOT !!!!!!
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09/12/2020 12:50:18 12 3
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Every medical intervention is effectively a gamble, that is why we have informed consent
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09/12/2020 12:50:40 7 6
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Beware the side-effects. It brought a lump to the throat of Nicola Sturgeon yesterday and that was only from watching it on TV!
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09/12/2020 12:48:02 22 18
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We look forward to seeing you in a covid ward very soon. Ventilators and nappies are standard issue as are medically induced coma's.

Its a blast, I can take you on a tour and you won't need PPE as its not that dangerous!
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09/12/2020 12:51:11 6 18
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I'll take my chances, I crossed the road this morning and didn't get hit by a bus. Shall I take a trip to the A&E award to see all the others that did? Shall I stay indoors because cars are dangerous. Get a grip
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09/12/2020 14:50:29 3 2
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If you do get hit by a bus, hopefully enough less selfish people will have taken the vaccine, so there is a free ITU bed left to save your life.
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09/12/2020 12:51:34 7 5
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People with a history of being allergic to vaccinations continue to be allergic to vaccinations. Worth knowing.

Feel like this was one that should perhaps have been on the contraindications list, regardless of whether we'd actually tested for it.
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09/12/2020 12:49:31 30 23
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Well done BBC - let’s open a HYS for the antivax brigade, who will now claim the allergic reaction arise from the microchips embedded within it!
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09/12/2020 12:51:46 27 3
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That’s stupid. The microchips are delivered in milk.
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09/12/2020 12:58:18 5 2
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and the microchips dont work when stood near a 5G phone mast and wearing a turquoise tracksuit in honour of David Icke !
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09/12/2020 14:07:42 0 0
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I get my microchips from the meecro wavé
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09/12/2020 12:51:48 463 68
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This is where real behaviours need to inform how a story is presented

It is absolutely no use for the BBC to post an alarmist headline and then stick the caveats in the small print

This isn't a problem - the NHS will ask every person being vaccinated whether they have severe allergic reaction - if they've made a wasted journery unlucky

10,000's will be now be put off by the story - shame BBC
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09/12/2020 13:03:55 201 33
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But that's what BBC, Sky etc do. Run a story to provoke reactions on HYS!
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09/12/2020 13:14:51 17 1
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In the War there was a poster " Careless talk costs Lives"

The media (BBC in particular) have ignored this and as a result 'promote and highlight' anti vax opinions.

Mt local BBC news ready many letters from viewers expressing anti vax views without any of their usual " Reality Check"

One would almost think they delight in undermining.
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09/12/2020 13:26:54 6 0
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Maybe put "0.000x% of population with allergic reaction may have to forego vaccine"
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09/12/2020 13:40:00 17 2
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Unfortunately the BBC, in common with other news agencies, isn't at all interested in stories that say "everything's going well and there's nothing to worry about". It's this attitude that's caused the sheeple to panic so much and spread conspiracy theories in the first place. Had we had a calm, measured response from the outset the whole pandemic would have been handled much better.
That’s because the left wing vermin controlling the BBC want to disrupt the vaccine program and then report its failure Removed
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dai
09/12/2020 13:57:55 5 5
bbc
Alarmist? My mother is 89, and has two allergies. She is waiting. better to be safe than sorry. Stop down playing this, its relevant IF you have SIGNIFICANT ALLERGIC reactions.
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09/12/2020 13:59:23 8 0
bbc
I get asked every time before my flu jab about any previous reactions, any allergies new or old. It is standard practice. They have told my mum who is booked in for her covid vaccine that as she has asthma, she has to wait 10 minutes in a separate room afterwards to check she has no reaction.
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09/12/2020 14:10:36 0 9
bbc
VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 14:20:39 1 1
bbc
The highest-rated comment and this one I'm replying to just confirming the idiocy of most HYS commenters and voters!

The reply to the highest-rated should have had far more votes than the idiotic comment!
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09/12/2020 14:44:45 3 0
bbc
It's only alarmist if you're a moron. Read the whole article, it's nothing of the sort. It qualifies what is reported. Some of the words are long, but a grown-up can explain them. That's what I did.
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09/12/2020 14:48:57 4 0
bbc
Agreed. Unfortunately the BBC have been degenerating into Red Top Journalism for quite some time now.
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Dee
09/12/2020 14:49:14 0 1
bbc
You don't think that a public news outlet should warn people who have allergies that they need to consult on whether they can have this vaccine? Why did the two NHS personnel have anaphalaxis if they'd already had a conversation about the allergy risk?
624
09/12/2020 15:10:24 0 1
bbc
Just because a story doesn't sit well with you it doesn't mean the BBC shouldn't report it. People have a right to know!
673
09/12/2020 15:26:56 1 0
bbc
@"10,000's will be now be put off by the story - shame BBC"

I disagree

People will be more able to believe they are being told the truth, and not some picture postcard view of perfect unicorns frolicking in the sunlit meadows.

People aren't stupid - most people will have more trust when they are told all the facts - warts and all
708
09/12/2020 15:46:38 0 0
bbc
The government should commission the Meterological Office to get public information across - they seem to be able to convey complex facts quite simply.
755
09/12/2020 15:59:42 0 2
bbc
So why didn't they ask the 2 nurses? I am telling you why, because the trial was rushed.
Dr fauci was right all along
799
09/12/2020 16:13:23 0 1
bbc
The vaccine is completely untested not only on this elderly group but also on interaction or contraindications with,or to, other medicines. Also persons on anticoagulants should be advised of possible reactions.
And, in the younger groups ,women of childbearing age should be advised that the effects on fertility are completely unknown.
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09/12/2020 16:16:01 2 0
bbc
Shame on you James. The BBC have done exactly what they should do - inform the public about the risk then explain the issues in more depth. Would you have the BBC not inform people of this very minor risk?
And BTW the NHS obviously don't ask everyone who is being vaccinated whether they have an allergic reaction issue as the two people concerned worked for the NHS.
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09/12/2020 16:51:53 0 0
bbc
Don't seen an issue at all. The type of person who is only going to read the headline (which I don't see as alarmist at all) without reading the article is probably the sort that wouldn't have it anyway due to the tracking chips....
09/12/2020 19:37:57 0 0
bbc
I agree. Grabbing attention like the news was a quiz programme, and then producing half-truths before the news has actually happened. Ungrammatical writing suggests haste, and elision.
09/12/2020 19:46:17 0 0
bbc
So why weren't these two individuals asked before they were given the shot and why was it never announced by the g government? It all comes down to the demographics of those that participated in the rushed testing. What short cuts were taken ?
09/12/2020 20:53:38 0 0
bbc
Yet clearly they didn't ask two NURSES? Hmm, I don't share your faith in the NHS
09/12/2020 21:36:16 0 0
bbc
10,000's put off by it?
I won't be one of them.
I'll take my chances the same way everyone does with any medical intervention.
I stand a good chance of of being very unwell if I catch Covid, a day or two of supervised discomfort is no contest.
10/12/2020 06:16:24 0 0
bbc
Of course you are correct James, many will be put off due to the headline.
However, there is so much misinformation, including from official areas, mistrust is more likely to put people off.
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09/12/2020 12:51:59 12 9
bbc
It would be good to know the details of the reactions and how serious they were. I am wondering why allergies do not appear to have been assessed during the trials and why this was not picked up at approval /licensing.
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09/12/2020 12:54:02 17 4
bbc
Because they didn't have people who needed epi-pens on the trial. If you tested it on every possible pre-existing condition you'd need to dose the whole world... and that wouldn't be a trial!
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09/12/2020 13:01:05 5 0
bbc
"The two people had a reaction shortly after... had treatment and are both fine now.
They ..had an anaphylactoid reaction, which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. This is not the same as anaphylaxis which can be fatal.
Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenaline pens around with them."

That's the context. No big deal
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09/12/2020 13:01:30 2 2
bbc
No long term assessment of harms. Phase 3 been running only a few months. If you have it, you will effectively be part of a phase 4 trial - like it or not, this is true
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09/12/2020 13:02:02 4 0
bbc
Read the article again, you will see that reactions were seen in the trials, stop trying to make an issue out of something that’s not even there.
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09/12/2020 12:52:24 7 21
bbc
I have assessed it with my head and not my gut like the good professor in the article says.
My head say's I'll steer clear, thanks.
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09/12/2020 13:10:39 3 5
bbc
Well, don't come anywhere near my family then. Kill your own. You are being utterly ridiculous and selfish.
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09/12/2020 12:50:01 15 19
bbc
What I find worrying is that the regulator and scientists were rather dismissive over potential allergic reactions and now only after the vaccine has started to be administered the advice has changed.

1 in 1,000 seems quite high for an allergic reaction.
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09/12/2020 12:52:39 3 8
bbc
100 times higher than the healthy under 60 death rate for C19
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09/12/2020 12:52:40 15 20
bbc
I wonder if someone bunged BoJo a few million to agree to the British becoming a nation of lab rats? I wouldn't put it past him, anything for a profit....
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09/12/2020 12:52:47 3 3
bbc
And apparently those undergoing fertility treatment are being warned to avoid it.
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09/12/2020 13:02:07 0 0
bbc
A sensible precaution.
My daughter and her husband are trying for a baby and has been advised to not take the jab just yet.
She is a nurse and will be giving the jab to everyone else from next week!
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09/12/2020 12:52:55 55 11
bbc
So 40000 were in the initial trial and I just looked some had allergic reactions. I found 4 cases just on an itial look at the data.

Lets not get overly excited here, this is no a SNAFU this happens every year with the flu vaccine
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09/12/2020 13:42:16 32 1
bbc
Absolutely - in fact those with allergies are normally explicitly excluded from trials. And anyone who knows they are at risk should never accept any medication without asking questions.
09/12/2020 21:32:27 0 0
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They did not trial it on anyone with any underlying health issues though, let alone people liable to severe reactions
10/12/2020 01:55:50 0 0
bbc
Odd that as they said no one with a history of be allergic was tested. Your fake news....yawn
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09/12/2020 12:52:59 104 34
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To the anti-vaxxers. A couple of allergic reactions isn’t equatable to the 1 in 1000 deaths we have already had in the UK.
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09/12/2020 12:57:54 68 20
bbc
I am not an anti vaxer. However a severe allergic reaction can result in a very quick death and so allergies should be respected.
It's not 1 in 1000 deaths you moron. Its 1 out of every 1,000 who actually managed to get covid. Deary me. That would mean 670,000 had died of coronavirus . .. Removed
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09/12/2020 13:44:11 10 10
bbc
I'm not
anti vac BUT I know we have not been given true figures of deaths FROM covid. The figures include deaths for ANY reason within 28 days of a positive covid test. You could have covid, recover and die from cancer, heart failure, get hit by a bus, anything at all. And you will then be included in the COVID 19 death figure. I just want the truth so that I can make an informed decision.
09/12/2020 18:09:26 1 0
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These figures are massively wrong. Over 60 000 people have died so far and 1,722 000 have tested positive. For it to be one in a thousand, the entire population would have had to have it. Sadly, the actual figure is nearer 3 in every 100. Utterly crappy BBC ‘analysis’.
09/12/2020 18:22:24 1 0
bbc
Can somebody point me to where this 1 in 1000 is corroborated.
Because it bears no reflection to either the Infection Fatality Rate nor the Case Fatality Rate
09/12/2020 19:41:06 0 0
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. . . if it really is two allergic reactions in . . . wait a minute, in how many vaccinations so far? 1 / 1000 deaths is the same proportion as 2 / 2000 reactions. Where are the real figures?
MrB
09/12/2020 21:03:20 0 0
bbc
It is if you are under the age of 50 ...
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09/12/2020 12:46:22 7 31
bbc
So Maybe Dr Fauci, the USA , the EU, switzerland canada and australia were right. The UK rushed the vaccine approval for political reasons.
After all the vaccine in made in Belgium by an American agerman company.
If it was safe the EU/US would have approved it already. Why didn't we call people with allergy to be tested during the trial ? Sorry but I will wait the US EU approval. I don't trust UK
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09/12/2020 12:53:08 8 2
bbc
Yeah - you’ve said that before - I love the irony of your user name ?????
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09/12/2020 12:49:31 30 23
bbc
Well done BBC - let’s open a HYS for the antivax brigade, who will now claim the allergic reaction arise from the microchips embedded within it!
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09/12/2020 12:53:45 4 1
bbc
Maybe it is good to be open and honest about the objective evidence, antivax or not.
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09/12/2020 12:50:01 15 19
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What I find worrying is that the regulator and scientists were rather dismissive over potential allergic reactions and now only after the vaccine has started to be administered the advice has changed.

1 in 1,000 seems quite high for an allergic reaction.
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09/12/2020 12:53:56 1 1
bbc
It’s
S the same as for all vaccines, including seasonal flu. People who have to carry adrenaline e with them like these two cases should be extra careful.
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09/12/2020 12:51:59 12 9
bbc
It would be good to know the details of the reactions and how serious they were. I am wondering why allergies do not appear to have been assessed during the trials and why this was not picked up at approval /licensing.
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09/12/2020 12:54:02 17 4
bbc
Because they didn't have people who needed epi-pens on the trial. If you tested it on every possible pre-existing condition you'd need to dose the whole world... and that wouldn't be a trial!
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09/12/2020 12:46:22 7 31
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So Maybe Dr Fauci, the USA , the EU, switzerland canada and australia were right. The UK rushed the vaccine approval for political reasons.
After all the vaccine in made in Belgium by an American agerman company.
If it was safe the EU/US would have approved it already. Why didn't we call people with allergy to be tested during the trial ? Sorry but I will wait the US EU approval. I don't trust UK
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09/12/2020 12:54:03 6 1
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Interesting username given your last sentence.

Clearly did not score well on your English GSCE or you would have read in the article above that people did get allergic reactions during the trials. But I'll help you out as I am a kind soul.

"The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunized that may have been related to the jab."

Aspirin can do the same.
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09/12/2020 12:45:11 110 7
bbc
This is true for any vaccine and any medication. This should always be foremost in the minds of patients and their clinicians.
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09/12/2020 12:54:21 62 155
bbc
This important thing is that it was believed to be ok for people with allergies based on the phase three trials and yet on day one of public use it turns out they were wrong.
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09/12/2020 13:01:44 33 2
bbc
Read the full article: "The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised"
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09/12/2020 13:12:23 31 3
bbc
You are scaremongering. Two reactions out of several thousand doses administered. There is no medicine anywhere with no absolute risk. The risk benefit calculation is hugely in favour of the vaccine.
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09/12/2020 13:19:48 30 1
bbc
If you're going to call yourself 'show me the data', you should at least have the decency to read it when it's clearly presented to you......"The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised".
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09/12/2020 16:06:05 4 0
bbc
If you have a history of severe allergies you're unlikely to be recruited into a phase 3 trial of anything. Ever.
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09/12/2020 16:07:32 6 0
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The important thing is that thankfully most who read your posts recognise their Biased intent. These things are NEVER ok for those with allergies and they cannot test them against all of them, and were NEVER said to be. This is why all medication comes with a small disclaimer in relation to possible allergic reactions, all of them.

Your anti vax view is leaving you blinkered to actual reality.
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09/12/2020 16:09:51 7 0
bbc
Who said that? Where was it written?

Why would people with severe allergies not take precautions with this?

Anyone carrying an epipen takes extreme care all the time.

This is simply a non story.
09/12/2020 17:45:01 1 0
bbc
" people out of the thousand's is nothing. The problem is when a person dies in a care home you will say it killed them not that it was their time to go.
09/12/2020 18:00:57 1 0
bbc
"This important thing is that it was believed to be ok for people with allergies etc." BUT THIS IS UNTRUE as the trials reported a low number of allergic reactions. The data is there but your eyes are shut and so it would appear is your mind.
09/12/2020 19:49:59 1 0
bbc
I guess you read ALL the papers on it and were privy to the information that the MHRA had.

WHAT! You weren't. Then please stop making guesses and spreading gratuitous disinformation
09/12/2020 21:27:34 0 0
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Scarily in order to rush it through it was not tested on ANYONE who wasn't in virtually perfect health. OK these two people had severe reactions quickly, they have not checked medium/long term reactions/problems with ANY other illnesses or medication! We will only know in the upcoming weeks/months
09/12/2020 22:03:25 0 0
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Yes .. too much rushing to approve it and too many assumptions.
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09/12/2020 12:45:56 10 8
bbc
Thanks to the Brits for testing out the vaccine.
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09/12/2020 12:54:35 5 15
bbc
Guinea pigs to satisfy johnson's anger to cut corners.
The vaccine is made in belgium by an US german company. If it was so safe it would have been approved by the EU US already.
I will be waiting for their approval honestly
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09/12/2020 12:54:45 25 21
bbc
This article should be taken down as it is a health hazard. There's always an allergy risk with anything. Doctors advise their patients, collect data, and make an informed decision. Allergy risk is very small. This is totally irresponsible journalism by the BBC during a health crisis, and whoever is responsible for this news item should be fired immediately.
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09/12/2020 13:07:22 13 1
bbc
OFGS: did you actually read the article before rushing into a bout of BBC bashing? It clearly states that this sort of thing is common for new vaccines. The article is simply reporting on the latest MHRA guidance.
Surely the irresponsible thing in a health crisis would be to NOT report this accurately, thus encouraging rumours to spread?
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09/12/2020 13:38:55 1 0
bbc
Well it's a double edged sword. If health care providers say nothing, eventually it'll get out to the media anyway, but then it would truly look like a conspiracy. So I think it's right they be honest, would those anti-vaxers really have changed their minds already anyway!
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09/12/2020 12:54:47 8 6
bbc
seems to me this is another scare tactic from you guys
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09/12/2020 12:49:31 30 23
bbc
Well done BBC - let’s open a HYS for the antivax brigade, who will now claim the allergic reaction arise from the microchips embedded within it!
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09/12/2020 12:55:03 1 1
bbc
Are you advocating suppressing the reporting of facts because these might assist the 'anti-vax' brigade.
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09/12/2020 13:09:08 2 0
bbc
Well said, suppress a story because it is true? Dangerous for the honest upstanding organisation that is the BBC.
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09/12/2020 12:50:01 15 19
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What I find worrying is that the regulator and scientists were rather dismissive over potential allergic reactions and now only after the vaccine has started to be administered the advice has changed.

1 in 1,000 seems quite high for an allergic reaction.
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09/12/2020 12:55:05 2 2
bbc
It's not 1 in a 1000... It's 2 out of thousands and even then its too small a sample for your figure
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09/12/2020 12:56:18 4 1
bbc
@Darylhobbs

"The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised that may have been related to the jab. "

Read the article.
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09/12/2020 12:45:28 857 179
bbc
So they had a reaction and people have similar reactions to other vaccines.

So exactly what is the news story especially as the BBC has a separate story on not spreading scary stories relating to vaccines.

As a doctor I find these stories extremely unhelpful, as the initial report came from the Daily Mail whose readers are largely in the at risk group I suggest ignoring it!
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09/12/2020 12:55:10 285 36
bbc
Eh I wouldn't take it as fear mongering and more of a "if you have severe allergic reactions you might want to consult your GP"

but of course people are going to interpret what they want to interpret
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09/12/2020 12:59:10 58 26
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The BBC have another HYS saying, don't spread misinformation. I would point out when you have the flu vaccine you answer a questionaire saying are you allergic to egg protien. Some people are and therefore don't ahve the jab.

You will be asked a list of questions prior to the jab, the side effects are far less severe than Covid, if you don't believe me I can give you a tour of the churchill ward
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09/12/2020 13:55:33 7 3
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Well said. We only have Paul's word he IS A doctor. My 89 year old mother has a couple of allergies. She will wait until its been sorted.
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09/12/2020 14:04:11 7 5
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Consult your GP. What’s a GP?
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09/12/2020 12:55:18 290 14
bbc
If HYS was responsible for medicine licensing penicillin would be banned. 1/10 suffer allergic reactions to it and it can kill 1/1000.

People allergic to eggs are warned off the flu vaccine. Those with lactose problems have to avoid many tablets. This is not a surprise. Its also WHY the two individuals carry epi-pens.....
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09/12/2020 13:10:22 167 9
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Yes I have an allergic to Penicillin & I always makes sure to tell the doctor before having any tablets & such. This vaccine will be no different & I will unless advice not to be having this vaccine. I have every faith in it
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09/12/2020 13:45:41 1 3
bbc
Other (better) brands of adrenaline pens are available.
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09/12/2020 13:49:20 8 0
bbc
Too right.. Penicillin nearly put me 6 feet under.. Nothing in life is risk free.. If you read the small print on any prescription medication information pamphlet you would run a mile.. Luckily for 99%everything is fine
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09/12/2020 14:05:32 3 0
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I think the correct rate is 1:20,00 to 1:100,000. Only about 10% of individuals believing they are allergic to penicillin are so affected
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09/12/2020 14:10:52 0 13
bbc
VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 14:12:37 5 2
bbc
Unfortunately my cousin who is allergic to eggs was given the flu vaccine some years ago and nearly died in the surgery. Has not put me off having vaccines though!
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09/12/2020 16:25:48 0 0
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10% of patients report being allergic to penicillin, but nearly all of them are wrong. The true rate of allergic reaction is around 0.02%.
That's a true allergic reaction rate of 1 in 5,000.

Your figures are wrong.
09/12/2020 19:09:39 0 0
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Penicillin ( which one?) kills one in a thousand?????
Source please
09/12/2020 23:10:41 0 0
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YES and they should have known better,, both in my mind stupid??
How are the 50 million illegal immigrants going to get it,,, ha ha ha Removed
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09/12/2020 12:50:01 15 19
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What I find worrying is that the regulator and scientists were rather dismissive over potential allergic reactions and now only after the vaccine has started to be administered the advice has changed.

1 in 1,000 seems quite high for an allergic reaction.
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09/12/2020 12:56:00 4 1
bbc
All normal stuff. To be expected. There are rare cases with all vaccines, mostly mild and nearly all easily treated on scene as per mild anaphylaxis.
I’ll be at the front of the queue when invited for my jab.
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09/12/2020 12:46:40 7 25
bbc
What a surprise that announcment is. NOT. No thanks, keep your jab
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Idiot Removed
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09/12/2020 12:56:13 67 9
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This is no different from the allergic reactions some (very few) people get with flu jags and could be foreseen. People with known moderate/severe allergies should probably avoid the Covid jag but this has no relevance to 99% of us.
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09/12/2020 13:09:32 35 61
bbc
Neither does the virus
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09/12/2020 12:55:05 2 2
bbc
It's not 1 in a 1000... It's 2 out of thousands and even then its too small a sample for your figure
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09/12/2020 12:56:18 4 1
bbc
@Darylhobbs

"The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised that may have been related to the jab. "

Read the article.
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09/12/2020 13:39:53 0 2
bbc
No, you read the article - the bit that matters. There have been two cases of reaction in the thousands of vaccinations given. Far lower than the already known possible 1 per thousand from the trials.
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09/12/2020 12:56:48 5 14
bbc
People who are no doubt going to be allergic to the vacination are probably the same people who are allergic to work. They'll be happier to say no to it and no doubt "self-isolate" especially when the weather gets better next year. The doom mongers keep on spreading the doom. Please don't waste any on Pierce Corbyn or David Icke.
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09/12/2020 13:00:25 5 0
bbc
I have worked all my life, and I suffer from drug and food allergies. Maybe it is not helpful to lump everyone into the same basket, it is negative and unkind.
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09/12/2020 12:48:55 17 13
bbc
Issues with a brand new vaccine?

Who’d have thought it.
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09/12/2020 12:56:50 16 1
bbc
If you know your science you will know that everything that goes into your body has a side effect. Even the oxygen you breath or water you drink can be dangerous to some people.

If you read the outside of bongella, you will read about its side effects.

If you want 100% safety then you have to be 100% dead.
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09/12/2020 13:17:53 0 0
bbc
What is a bongella?
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09/12/2020 12:57:31 5 22
bbc
Look, if you want to be a lab rat have the vaccine. But stop trying to impose your views on those of us who will wait until other countries sanction it.
We are talking Boris Johnson here, he'd sell anything to get the country out of the economic mess he has created.
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09/12/2020 13:06:34 1 0
bbc
Boris didn't create the coronavirus...he didn't create an economic mess....the Government have handled this pandemic much better than the opposition would have done...then we would have seen an economic mess!
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09/12/2020 13:07:22 1 1
bbc
How does Boris Johnson persuade thousands of scientists, academics and regulators to approve something that may be unsafe? Get real, please.
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09/12/2020 12:52:59 104 34
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To the anti-vaxxers. A couple of allergic reactions isn’t equatable to the 1 in 1000 deaths we have already had in the UK.
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09/12/2020 12:57:54 68 20
bbc
I am not an anti vaxer. However a severe allergic reaction can result in a very quick death and so allergies should be respected.
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09/12/2020 13:09:45 13 5
bbc
They are respected. That’s why there is now a warning. It’s also why it’s monitored. It’s also why they usually advise you to wait for a few minutes before leaving the building (as with the flu jab).
This is still far far better than the (so far) 1 in 1000 deaths from Covid.
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09/12/2020 13:12:10 0 0
bbc
Well it up to people to inform to who giving you any treatment about any allergic
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09/12/2020 13:35:36 1 1
bbc
And there should be some responsibility with those who KNOW that they have a tendency to severe allergic reactions to hold back - especially as it was known that the vaccine wasn't tested amongst those with allergies (indeed, they normally only do allergy testing until after the rollout because of the risk to the volunteers)
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09/12/2020 15:19:24 3 0
bbc
The comment was it created a different reaction that was not life threatening, always worth reading it through to the end.
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09/12/2020 16:10:36 0 1
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Really? Not ignored?

This is simply not a story worth the space given to it.
09/12/2020 18:34:42 0 1
bbc
Not just allergies, people with auto-immune conditions are even more highly at risk and most people have some kind of auto-immunity...... from vaccines.
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09/12/2020 12:58:01 266 25
bbc
"Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenaline pens around with them."
So 2 people had a reaction out of thousands and they were already prone to them.
I will still be getting the jab when it is offered to me.Thank you!
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09/12/2020 13:25:33 43 3
bbc
Totally agree. Just wondering if C19 has crossed species again and is now affecting penguins!!! ;-)
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09/12/2020 14:11:23 1 10
bbc
VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 14:34:06 1 1
bbc
What I want to know is why people who have serious allergies were still advised to have the vaccine yesterday?

Clearly that advice has changed today.
813
09/12/2020 16:17:33 5 0
bbc
Yes, and where did you find this info to make this balanced decision? The BBC.
845
09/12/2020 16:27:50 3 1
bbc
Way to miss the point.

Until this information became available the MHRA had not issued advice for those with severe allergies to not have the vaccine.
09/12/2020 20:38:16 0 1
bbc
The worrying thought is nhs knew they had the conditions but they still gave it to them because they didn’t know the side effects! What else don’t they know because it’s not been tested correctly and it’s by a company who recently got fined £2.3 billion for falsifying medical records. I’ve had covid so I’ll skip the vaccine but best of luck
Sue
10/12/2020 08:42:05 0 0
bbc
Me too!
59
09/12/2020 12:58:09 11 25
bbc
What you get when you rush out a vaccine with NO LONG TERM ASSSESSMENT OF HARMS - just a few months not years, and selected participants for the trials. Exactly as predicted for an infection that over 99% will survive... if they ever catch it. Absolute risk reduction from vaccine is 0.71% (fact) but they hope the public can't work that out from the data. I've had all my other vaccs - not this one
74
09/12/2020 13:00:54 5 5
bbc
You not having it to protect yourself but other vunerable people

Engage your brain
80
09/12/2020 13:01:44 1 1
bbc
Would you still be saying that if you had a loved one who died?
118
09/12/2020 13:08:42 1 0
bbc
This is what happens at any release of drugs/vaccines. This isn't a novel reaction. Even drugs which have been out decades occasionally get new side effects added to the list.

As bbc say in the article... 2 non-fatal allergic reactions in thousands of people who were vaccined is a better stat than 1 in every 100 (WHO claim 2 in every 100) who die after contracting COVID.
4
09/12/2020 12:45:10 24 42
bbc
99.99% survival rate, oh no let's hide until a vaccine arrives to save literally none of us. Pathetic, let's get life back to normal
60
09/12/2020 12:58:11 4 5
bbc
Get a grip on the statistics. Headline figures for a whole population mean nothing.
27
09/12/2020 12:51:46 27 3
bbc
That’s stupid. The microchips are delivered in milk.
61
09/12/2020 12:58:18 5 2
bbc
and the microchips dont work when stood near a 5G phone mast and wearing a turquoise tracksuit in honour of David Icke !
62
09/12/2020 12:58:20 10 5
bbc
I'm sure Bill Gates will be able to download a software update to fix this.
2
09/12/2020 12:44:35 10 13
bbc
React to so many things, think i will skip it.
63
09/12/2020 12:58:58 13 9
bbc
Hope you don't think you can skip dying....
09/12/2020 18:37:09 0 4
bbc
99.7% of people will only suffer mild, if any, reactions to the virus. Are people really this stupid? I mean really? Average age of deaths 82 years old! Are you all stupid? Come on! This really isn't difficult to work out.
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09/12/2020 12:55:10 285 36
bbc
Eh I wouldn't take it as fear mongering and more of a "if you have severe allergic reactions you might want to consult your GP"

but of course people are going to interpret what they want to interpret
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09/12/2020 12:59:10 58 26
bbc
The BBC have another HYS saying, don't spread misinformation. I would point out when you have the flu vaccine you answer a questionaire saying are you allergic to egg protien. Some people are and therefore don't ahve the jab.

You will be asked a list of questions prior to the jab, the side effects are far less severe than Covid, if you don't believe me I can give you a tour of the churchill ward
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09/12/2020 13:27:25 20 14
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You are comparing people with the mildest allergic reaction to the vaccine to those suffering the worst reaction to COVID. Well let's just flip that shall we? Isn't it true that many people die each year from allergic reactions and that most people who have had COVID don't have any symptoms?

Twisting evidence to fit a conclusion is not very scientific... you sure you're a doctor?
404
09/12/2020 14:04:29 9 6
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@Paul Show me the Churchill Ward and I'll show you the graveyards of all the people to have died of allergic reactions.

I can't believe a doctor is telling people with allergies that the side effects are not as bad a covid.

In my age group an allergic reaction will probably be fatal, whereas covid would be asymptomatic or mild.
15
09/12/2020 12:47:32 18 18
bbc
Nice one BBC. You've managed to changed something good and brilliant for the population, into something scary and a gamble.
You are just what the country needed just before Christmas......NOT !!!!!!
65
09/12/2020 12:59:10 1 1
bbc
I'm afraid the bods at the BBC will hide behind the monolith - bureaucracies will be the death of us all
66
09/12/2020 12:59:16 26 8
bbc
I really can't stand our media.
111
09/12/2020 13:06:59 7 19
bbc
Neither can I. I also can’t stand the idiotic government either ??
192
09/12/2020 13:20:18 2 2
bbc
So why are you here self inflicting upon yourself something you claim that you can't stand !!!

Seems a very strange thing to do !!!
398
09/12/2020 14:01:57 1 1
bbc
So why are you here.
16
09/12/2020 12:47:42 21 14
bbc
This only gives an excuse to the anti-vaxxers, who were probably going to refuse to take it anyway. No big deal.
67
09/12/2020 12:59:37 12 0
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It comes down to the readers interpretation. I would love the vaccine but I need to know that my allergies put me at a slightly higher risk when taking it.

So for me it is very informative. For those who like to pedal conspiracies they would twist any information to their will. But for most sensible people they can read it and be better informed.

Hiding announcements would lead to suspicion
09/12/2020 18:37:38 0 0
bbc
Nail hit on head! Well said.
10/12/2020 10:57:29 0 0
bbc
I would have asked before getting jab but it is good to know I cant have this vaccine due to my severe nut allergy.I hope another vaccine will be out which I can have.It is nearly impossible to cover all allergies and Im glad these 2 were ok,but surprised they didnt mention their allergies especially being NHS workers.
68
09/12/2020 12:59:41 49 6
bbc
I have posted REPEATEDLY that for a tiny number of recipients, there will be serious problems such as an allergic reaction or other reaction that may even cause a death. THIS IS NORMAL!!!
09/12/2020 18:26:55 6 11
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Warnings I have heard say that Bill Gates/ Microsoft is behind injecting nano computer chips into us all so he/they can monitor and control us.
I wonder how he used 91 year old Margaret Keenan yesterday?
09/12/2020 18:56:06 1 0
bbc
You are right. There will always be some people who suffer serious reactions but I would hardly call that 'normal.' It's up to the individual to make informed decisions about their health.
09/12/2020 22:08:20 0 0
bbc
"I have posted REPEATEDLY that for a tiny number of recipients, there will be serious problems such as an allergic reaction or other reaction that may even cause a death. THIS IS NORMAL!!!"

But you could write for COVID19 ...

"for a tiny number of patients, there will be serious problems such as an long covid or other respiratory complications that may even cause a death. THIS IS NORMAL!!!"
09/12/2020 23:26:37 0 1
bbc
I thought 'one extra death is one too many' was the Covid mantra. Or does that not count now Big Pharma are starting to roll in the lolly??
10/12/2020 01:55:04 0 0
bbc
It is NOT normal that this issue was NOT known.....jog on
69
09/12/2020 13:00:06 69 23
bbc
Why does the BBC have a HYS link on this topic? It just allows the fake news crew a window of opportunity....
96
09/12/2020 13:04:18 42 52
bbc
Freedom of speech? Or don't you believe people should be allowed a different opinion?
175
09/12/2020 13:17:16 10 5
bbc
Well yet again someone else follows this quite dangerous mindset that you have to suppress ‘Fake News’. Has it never crossed your mind that governments and organisations may also use the term ‘Fake News’ to cover up genuine issues and lie about something? Fake news terminology can be used to undermine both sides of an argument, just saying ;-)
188
09/12/2020 13:19:05 5 2
bbc
No one forces you to read any comments let alone post on them which you have chosen to do.

If you spot a comment you think is wrong then you are of course free to counter that comment with a reply and make those posting the comment look as foolish as they are.

Or report comments that are clearly false (though the BBC does tend to not bother their arse removing most posts that make false claims).
598
09/12/2020 15:04:00 2 4
bbc
Your comment wins the internet today. It's as if the BBC WANTS people to hear more anti-vax messages from the usual trolls.
70
09/12/2020 13:00:23 4 2
bbc
‘The two are now fine’ according to either the regulator or the BBC, not quite clear in this report. Professor Stephen Powis, medical director for NHS England however says ‘both individuals are recovering well’. Which one is it?
54
09/12/2020 12:56:48 5 14
bbc
People who are no doubt going to be allergic to the vacination are probably the same people who are allergic to work. They'll be happier to say no to it and no doubt "self-isolate" especially when the weather gets better next year. The doom mongers keep on spreading the doom. Please don't waste any on Pierce Corbyn or David Icke.
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09/12/2020 13:00:25 5 0
bbc
I have worked all my life, and I suffer from drug and food allergies. Maybe it is not helpful to lump everyone into the same basket, it is negative and unkind.
72
09/12/2020 13:00:43 56 18
bbc
How long before some simpleton blames Brexit for this?
94
09/12/2020 13:03:58 26 6
bbc
Not long.....
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BZ
09/12/2020 13:18:02 5 4
bbc
Why mention it? Guilty conscience?
472
09/12/2020 14:21:07 1 5
bbc
Its due to Brexit. Simples. BLM.
898
09/12/2020 16:42:09 3 6
bbc
How long before some simpleton blames Covid 19 next year when the UK suffers a recession substantially worse than the rest of the world?
09/12/2020 20:29:33 0 0
bbc
It was working quite well as a distraction until you had to go and say something !
7
09/12/2020 12:45:28 857 179
bbc
So they had a reaction and people have similar reactions to other vaccines.

So exactly what is the news story especially as the BBC has a separate story on not spreading scary stories relating to vaccines.

As a doctor I find these stories extremely unhelpful, as the initial report came from the Daily Mail whose readers are largely in the at risk group I suggest ignoring it!
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xlr
09/12/2020 13:00:44 61 10
bbc
Same is true for monoclonal antibody-based anti-cancer therapies, antivenin for snakebites, and any other large molecule pharmaceutical. A very small chance of an allergic reaction is always possible from these kind of medications, especially among those already prone to allergic reactions.

There's really nothing new here at all.
402
09/12/2020 14:03:35 2 2
bbc
This vaccine is the first of its kind, so it is new.
59
09/12/2020 12:58:09 11 25
bbc
What you get when you rush out a vaccine with NO LONG TERM ASSSESSMENT OF HARMS - just a few months not years, and selected participants for the trials. Exactly as predicted for an infection that over 99% will survive... if they ever catch it. Absolute risk reduction from vaccine is 0.71% (fact) but they hope the public can't work that out from the data. I've had all my other vaccs - not this one
74
09/12/2020 13:00:54 5 5
bbc
You not having it to protect yourself but other vunerable people

Engage your brain
29
09/12/2020 12:51:59 12 9
bbc
It would be good to know the details of the reactions and how serious they were. I am wondering why allergies do not appear to have been assessed during the trials and why this was not picked up at approval /licensing.
75
09/12/2020 13:01:05 5 0
bbc
"The two people had a reaction shortly after... had treatment and are both fine now.
They ..had an anaphylactoid reaction, which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. This is not the same as anaphylaxis which can be fatal.
Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenaline pens around with them."

That's the context. No big deal
7
09/12/2020 12:45:28 857 179
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So they had a reaction and people have similar reactions to other vaccines.

So exactly what is the news story especially as the BBC has a separate story on not spreading scary stories relating to vaccines.

As a doctor I find these stories extremely unhelpful, as the initial report came from the Daily Mail whose readers are largely in the at risk group I suggest ignoring it!
76
09/12/2020 13:01:16 64 141
bbc
If the vaccine has been properly tested then wouldn't they have know of the risks in giving it to people with serious allergies? Shouldn't they have been screening from the start and shouldn't a warning have been issued? The words 'rushed' and 'cowboy' spring to mind.
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09/12/2020 13:08:34 106 19
bbc
People with serious allergies do not volunteer for vaccine testing.
As with all vaccines there is always a small risk of a reaction.

No one has died and the two people who had a reaction are OK as the injections are give at hospitals.

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!
240
09/12/2020 13:28:07 18 1
bbc
Dont take it when offered then, simple
407
09/12/2020 14:05:26 4 0
bbc
Err day 1 of mass vaccination and the monitoring picked up the issue and guidance was issued. That would demonstrate that it is being effectively monitored. Personally I'll wait for the Oxford vaccine which is a more traditionak vaccine but i dont have a concern about the p
szfer one being rushed
409
09/12/2020 14:05:31 3 5
bbc
The vaccine haz been given approval " for emsrgency use"
60,000+ dead could be considered an emergency by some.
77
09/12/2020 13:01:17 5 13
bbc
This is what happens when you don't fully test a vaccine, so how many other side effects we gonna see on human guinea pigs??
100
09/12/2020 13:04:41 0 0
bbc
This is what happens at the release of any drug or vaccine. If you've ever read the leaflet that comes in prescriptions, they even have contact details to report side effects and occasionally some get added to the list that goes in the box.
160
09/12/2020 13:14:37 0 0
bbc
Simple fact is ALL vaccines and ALL medication including ALL FULLY TESTED ONES cause side affects in some people and it is nothing out of the ordinary with this one...

Not sure what the point was that you failed to make there though !!!
260
09/12/2020 13:31:07 0 0
bbc
No, this is what can happen when people with known severe allergies take ANY medication.

Where the blame falls may come out - but it's NOT with the vaccine or its testing.
78
09/12/2020 13:01:28 9 5
bbc
I am surprised though - not about the reactions to the jab, but by the fact that a simple question would appear NOT to have been asked. Every year for my annual flu jab I'm asked if I'm allergic to anything....... did not the nurses doing these injections ask that??

Ok, minor problem but one I'm sure the aliens amongst us will jump on !!
147
09/12/2020 13:12:42 3 0
bbc
They may well have been asked and chose to go ahead with it anyway knowing already about their own personal allergies...

It doesn't say in the article if they were asked or not...
29
09/12/2020 12:51:59 12 9
bbc
It would be good to know the details of the reactions and how serious they were. I am wondering why allergies do not appear to have been assessed during the trials and why this was not picked up at approval /licensing.
79
09/12/2020 13:01:30 2 2
bbc
No long term assessment of harms. Phase 3 been running only a few months. If you have it, you will effectively be part of a phase 4 trial - like it or not, this is true
59
09/12/2020 12:58:09 11 25
bbc
What you get when you rush out a vaccine with NO LONG TERM ASSSESSMENT OF HARMS - just a few months not years, and selected participants for the trials. Exactly as predicted for an infection that over 99% will survive... if they ever catch it. Absolute risk reduction from vaccine is 0.71% (fact) but they hope the public can't work that out from the data. I've had all my other vaccs - not this one
80
09/12/2020 13:01:44 1 1
bbc
Would you still be saying that if you had a loved one who died?
41
09/12/2020 12:54:21 62 155
bbc
This important thing is that it was believed to be ok for people with allergies based on the phase three trials and yet on day one of public use it turns out they were wrong.
81
09/12/2020 13:01:44 33 2
bbc
Read the full article: "The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised"
82
09/12/2020 13:01:51 5 7
bbc
Left back
12:58
So if you had a cancer that only a new fast tracked cancer treatment would save you life you would refuse it?
83
09/12/2020 13:01:51 4 6
bbc
Didn't tell you that before rushing out the vaccine..
131
09/12/2020 13:10:17 1 0
bbc
Kinda hard, impossible actually to tell anyone something that hadn't happened yet !!!

So the point you failed to make there was what exactly ???
33
09/12/2020 12:52:47 3 3
bbc
And apparently those undergoing fertility treatment are being warned to avoid it.
84
09/12/2020 13:02:07 0 0
bbc
A sensible precaution.
My daughter and her husband are trying for a baby and has been advised to not take the jab just yet.
She is a nurse and will be giving the jab to everyone else from next week!
85
09/12/2020 13:02:22 6 5
bbc
"The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now."
Why is this even being reported let alone being allowed to be commented on - gives cranks a platform.
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09/12/2020 13:08:59 0 0
bbc
It's being reported to show that so far only two people have had a bad reaction to the virus and both had KNOWN allergies to such things and BOTH RECOVERED.

Of course it should be reported to show to those very "Cranks" that the vaccine is not as bad as they try to make out. More importantly it helps to reassure those who may be nervous about getting the jab.

That's WHY it is being reported...
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09/12/2020 13:02:26 141 6
bbc
Glad both are well.
As someone who carries epi-pens for a serious allergy, I think it reassuring that the adverse reactions occurred in two people with histories of allergies rather than those without.
Reassuring because it suggest reaction to the vaccine is linked to existing immune status (not random) and it allows appropriate advice and precautions to be put in place for those with allergies.
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jon
09/12/2020 15:53:20 42 3
bbc
Yes indeed. At-risk people are usually fully aware. Like a few who are wary of traveling on aircraft where peanuts are being served. The vaccine has been safely tested on over 40,000 people but I’m sure people with an allergic history would have been excluded from taking part in the trial. For the majority it should provide valuable protection without problem.
808
09/12/2020 16:16:28 6 3
bbc
A perfect example of why our family will take a wait and see approach to the vaccine.
878
09/12/2020 16:36:12 3 1
bbc
Careful, you are making sense and I'm not sure that is allowed when discussing vaccines.

Doubtless the MHRA will be tracking adverse reactions and issuing further advice as necessary.

Hopefully the AstraZeneca vaccine will not produce the same reaction since it uses different technology.
7
09/12/2020 12:45:28 857 179
bbc
So they had a reaction and people have similar reactions to other vaccines.

So exactly what is the news story especially as the BBC has a separate story on not spreading scary stories relating to vaccines.

As a doctor I find these stories extremely unhelpful, as the initial report came from the Daily Mail whose readers are largely in the at risk group I suggest ignoring it!
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M12
09/12/2020 13:02:36 66 93
bbc
I think the point is that usually you find out the side effects BEFORE the vaccine is rolled out. If they have missed this, what else have they missed?!
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09/12/2020 13:09:08 52 17
bbc
Nothing as some people had side effects in the clinical trial and they were mild. These were labelled as severe and in reality they were not severe at all

A bloke from sheffield I would hazard a guess the the scientists that developed this know a little more than you.

Every time you have a flu jab you tick a box regarding your allegies, mind you you probably forgot to read that part of the form.
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09/12/2020 13:09:21 39 1
bbc
Thats not the case. There's a form with each drug no matter how new or old for docs to report side effects. Generally speaking ANY drug has a ~1/100,000 chance of having a really horrendous side effect. 1/100,000 is up there with being struck by lightning though.
88
09/12/2020 13:03:17 7 5
bbc
https://electroverse.net/rushed-2009-10-swine-flu-vaccine-found-to-cause-narcolepsy/
That one was also supposed to have been fully tested and safe, but wasn't.

https://electroverse.net/pfizer-two-people-die-four-develop-bells-palsy/
"The FDA announced on Tuesday that currently there is not enough research to guarantee the vaccine’s safety for immunocompromised groups, pregnant women and children"
99
09/12/2020 13:04:38 3 4
bbc
40000 people ahve had the vaccine in the clinical testing, stop with the scare stories
158
09/12/2020 13:14:17 2 1
bbc
Yeah mate - "electroverse". Fruitcakes.

You stick to your anti-vaxx "research" which seems to be scrolling through your phone whilst sat on the loo, and the rest of us will take the vaccine and get on with our lives.
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09/12/2020 13:28:16 2 0
bbc
It's not guaranteed for those groups because it's not tested on them, you wally. There's not an ethics board in the world that would approve running trials on pregnant women and children. That's why the rest of us get vaccinated - to protect ourselves and the ones who can't be given it. This is extremely basic scientific principle and is true of a vast array of medications and vaccines.
89
09/12/2020 13:03:31 6 3
bbc
Very poor 'journalism' from the BBC, makes you wonder how these people would survive in the private sector. Reporting that people with allergies should avoid an allergen.
90
09/12/2020 13:03:31 5 3
bbc
Absolutely no different from the Flu Jab, when you get your flu jab you are asked if you have any serious allergies & depending on the type of allergy it may be suggested that you don't take it, just the same with various jabs for travelling abroad, This isnt really even news worthy & as some have already said its risking people getting worried about something that they dont need to worry about.
91
09/12/2020 13:03:37 55 32
bbc
The point here is that the risk of an anaphylactoid reaction should have been found in the trials, not from the patients.
108
09/12/2020 13:06:10 27 46
bbc
Why surprised? - with such a rush to satisfy the economy
115
09/12/2020 13:07:26 5 4
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It was. You can read the results if you can bothered. Duh.
217
09/12/2020 13:24:05 8 0
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You are wrong, no persons with pre-existing allergies would be allowed on the trial. Real world use in a bigger sample will unearth other side effects and these are followed up post-marketing.
296
09/12/2020 13:37:33 4 1
bbc
They (clinical trails) exempt ANYONE who has anallergic reaction to the thing being tested. so apart from the extremly rare case of becoming allergic they won't find this out.
09/12/2020 18:17:37 1 0
bbc
The point here is that you haven't read the article. "The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised that may have been related to the jab."
09/12/2020 18:23:38 2 0
bbc
Pfizer did not test people with allergies because if there is an adverse reaction during clinical trails their vaccine will have to to be stopped.
09/12/2020 19:46:27 0 0
bbc
Its too rare. You'd need millions to undertake trials. I'm allergic to cats... don't get a cat!
09/12/2020 21:33:50 0 0
bbc
They didn't test anyone like that, that's why they didn't find anyone
09/12/2020 21:45:18 0 0
bbc
Well that's not what normally happens with trials. reactions are very rare
09/12/2020 22:14:44 1 0
bbc
It probably was found .. BUT still not communicated to the recipients .. very poor show.
92
09/12/2020 13:03:54 2 2
bbc
It really depends on what type of reaction,
a loose leg or death might put me off.
227
09/12/2020 13:25:42 1 0
bbc
Don't be so stupid.
28
09/12/2020 12:51:48 463 68
bbc
This is where real behaviours need to inform how a story is presented

It is absolutely no use for the BBC to post an alarmist headline and then stick the caveats in the small print

This isn't a problem - the NHS will ask every person being vaccinated whether they have severe allergic reaction - if they've made a wasted journery unlucky

10,000's will be now be put off by the story - shame BBC
93
09/12/2020 13:03:55 201 33
bbc
But that's what BBC, Sky etc do. Run a story to provoke reactions on HYS!
140
09/12/2020 13:12:02 6 0
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I really can't believe the "wisdom" found on a HYS is what the beeb are after
233
09/12/2020 13:26:57 2 1
bbc
You both make a fair point about headline grabbing but if you disagree with the BBC and feel strongly enough about their news reporting you can make an official complaint to BBC News.
553
09/12/2020 14:45:50 1 0
bbc
And how ! They're always doing it. So often we read a headline and the content of the article is largely nothing to do with it. There's often one irrelevant line at the top and the remainder is far less reactionary. Headline grabbing propaganda machines ! Shocking
722
09/12/2020 15:50:22 2 0
bbc
Yes, the days of responsible reporting let alone reporting in the national interest are long gone. There is no quality media left in the UK anymore.
759
09/12/2020 16:00:39 0 0
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Central Weekend.
09/12/2020 23:08:30 0 0
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Absolutely correct!! the Beeb,and others are to blame for much garbage ,, ITS CALLED A STORY?? THEN OF CORSE THE FACEBOOK/LOT EVEN WORSE IF POSS??
72
09/12/2020 13:00:43 56 18
bbc
How long before some simpleton blames Brexit for this?
94
09/12/2020 13:03:58 26 6
bbc
Not long.....
7
09/12/2020 12:45:28 857 179
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So they had a reaction and people have similar reactions to other vaccines.

So exactly what is the news story especially as the BBC has a separate story on not spreading scary stories relating to vaccines.

As a doctor I find these stories extremely unhelpful, as the initial report came from the Daily Mail whose readers are largely in the at risk group I suggest ignoring it!
95
09/12/2020 13:04:10 45 56
bbc
Respectfully I'm a wee bit surprised you said that and that you're a doctor.

Didn't this vaccine get 'fast tracked' instead of the normal regulatory procedure.

Saw someone on the Scottish boards trumpeting how great it was that the UK was the first to approve a vaccine in the West

But surely the fast tracking was a calculated gamble?

Understand we wouldn't want to 'fear monger' though
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09/12/2020 13:12:51 75 11
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I have colleagues that were part of the Oxford vaccine trials.

Fast tracking is not a calculated gamble the vaccines has been through all the standard proceedures.

If you have evidence that it has not, peer reviewed evidence, then please present it here
69
09/12/2020 13:00:06 69 23
bbc
Why does the BBC have a HYS link on this topic? It just allows the fake news crew a window of opportunity....
96
09/12/2020 13:04:18 42 52
bbc
Freedom of speech? Or don't you believe people should be allowed a different opinion?
179
09/12/2020 13:17:51 12 5
bbc
People who peddle falsehoods should not have an equivalence with scientific experts. Keep uninformed drivel to yourself.
193
09/12/2020 13:20:21 12 3
bbc
There's a big difference between a 'different opinion' and spouting misinformed propaganda to suit your conspiracy theory-loving views.
270
09/12/2020 13:33:11 7 1
bbc
Umm have you seen the public's decision making processes lately?! ??
315
09/12/2020 13:34:13 9 2
bbc
Oh I absolutely believe in freedom of speech! The problem is that the BBC never opens HYS on certain subjects. They are obviously nervous to as they probably know what the reaction will be...and it WONT be on message
779
09/12/2020 16:06:00 4 0
bbc
Not if that opinion is patently false.

That is called fake news, Chris, and fake news doesn't deserve to be peddled.
09/12/2020 20:17:26 0 1
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Freedom of Speech on a BBC HYS? Whatever next....

p.s. you will not be allowed to read this if the BBC goons have anything to do with it :)
09/12/2020 21:31:42 0 0
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Facts are important. Opinion based on falsehoods and conspiracy theories is not freedom of speech
09/12/2020 23:12:40 0 0
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The fact you were outvoted on this says a lot. Alternative opinions to the 'mainstream' view is getting harder and harder to be heard. Seems you just get shouted down or called and idiot. Boomtown Rats track back in the day "Banana Republic"
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09/12/2020 13:04:22 8 3
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There always has been and always will be some people who show adverse reactions to any vaccine or medication for that matter, it's nothing new whatsoever.

Two NHS workers with KNOWN allergies had a bad reaction & both recovered.

So unless you have known allergies then there really is nothing to worry about with this vaccine, as so far it's not showing large numbers of adverse reactions to it...
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09/12/2020 13:04:34 21 2
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There are risks with any medication even those sold over the counter have a massive amount of information as to allergies side effect etc nothing is 100% safe but as someone over 70 I'll accept the risk if any associated with any Cov19 vaccine because the last 9 months have been a nightmare
09/12/2020 19:02:19 1 0
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I hear you Norman!
09/12/2020 19:51:47 0 0
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Bizarrely I'm allergic to anti-histamine cream as well as cats but I would tell people not to stroke a cat ot use the cream!
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09/12/2020 13:03:17 7 5
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https://electroverse.net/rushed-2009-10-swine-flu-vaccine-found-to-cause-narcolepsy/
That one was also supposed to have been fully tested and safe, but wasn't.

https://electroverse.net/pfizer-two-people-die-four-develop-bells-palsy/
"The FDA announced on Tuesday that currently there is not enough research to guarantee the vaccine’s safety for immunocompromised groups, pregnant women and children"
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09/12/2020 13:04:38 3 4
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40000 people ahve had the vaccine in the clinical testing, stop with the scare stories
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09/12/2020 13:35:53 0 0
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Nope. 21,700 had the vaccine. The rest had a placebo.
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09/12/2020 13:01:17 5 13
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This is what happens when you don't fully test a vaccine, so how many other side effects we gonna see on human guinea pigs??
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09/12/2020 13:04:41 0 0
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This is what happens at the release of any drug or vaccine. If you've ever read the leaflet that comes in prescriptions, they even have contact details to report side effects and occasionally some get added to the list that goes in the box.