UK to drop US goods tariffs in bid for trade deal
09/12/2020 | news | business | 554
The move breaks ranks with the EU in a dispute with the US over subsidies for Boeing and Airbus.
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09/12/2020 10:31:11 86 9
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Tariffs applied to EU goods but removed from US, sounds like a recipe for no deal
But if the UK apply tariffs to EU goods, they have to apply the same tariffs to the US and rest of the world for those goods.
That is how WTO rules work.
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09/12/2020 10:46:13 10 1
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If the UK had continued to apply 'Boeing' related tarrifs to US imports then it would have had to apply the 'Airbus' tarrifs to EU imports were it to remain neutral in this absurd dispute.

Not applying the punitive tarrifs to either would seem to me to be a wholesome approach.
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09/12/2020 11:18:31 5 3
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Removing tariffs from the USA means we cannot impose the same tariffs on goods to any other country.
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09/12/2020 11:54:55 11 8
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If the French continue to be obstinate, a 20% tariff on their wine would cause them to wake up.
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09/12/2020 10:32:33 2 9
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You have to try , a little like today really.
Hope Springs Eternal!
Good luck PM
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Pip
09/12/2020 10:36:54 6 1
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Faith, Hope and Charity, not the most ideal of negotiating start points............?
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09/12/2020 10:34:04 198 67
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And in return the US will......offer nothing.

This smacks of a country desperate for trade deals. The rest of the world can see it.
Not a great negotiating position to have
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09/12/2020 10:36:59 109 140
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We have signed 57 of them now and within 2 years not the 9 it took the EU to do one with Canada. Just one advantage of Brexit
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09/12/2020 10:43:34 11 13
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Either that or you havn't understood it ;-)
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09/12/2020 10:48:07 17 33
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So... when someone else chases a deal are they desparate?
We are trying to deeal globally and succeeding. Believe in making this nation great or leave.
Its a mess at the moment but we have to get on with things and stop chasing scraps at the table. You can't build a business on hand outs. We need spot and create opportunities, build value, keep our costs low and market the country.
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09/12/2020 12:10:09 5 0
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Even without Trump it will be as it has always been: 'America First'. You can do them a favour in an attempt to suck up to them, but there is no guarantee of reciprocation especially in view of the UK blotting its copybook by threatening to break international law in its dealings with the EU.
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09/12/2020 12:26:10 3 0
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Sadly true and Biden has even said in advance he has little interest in a deal, He will be focused on American jobs. Obama shut banned many agricultural products from when we had CDJ saying these products couldn't be trusted. Will still today have outbreaks but its rarely covered now in the news. How long ago is that about 25 years? The markets are remain very restricted to us.
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09/12/2020 12:49:42 0 4
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And in return USA can transfer all tariffs to French Goods, Wine, Perfume and any Spirits that are either owned by a French company or come from France.
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09/12/2020 12:55:46 0 5
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Moan, Moan, Moan.......

You Remoaners will never be happy with anything.

Real losers.
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Bob
09/12/2020 12:39:42 0 3
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Hahaha, free export of cheese and orange juice from the US to the UK, but going the other way around our cheddar and whiskey still has a significant uplift. Yeah, reasons to be happy...
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09/12/2020 14:02:43 1 0
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Latest Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government brexit-Plan/Stategy

Project Surrender

LOL ROFL LOL
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09/12/2020 19:14:56 0 0
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Nigel will step in at this point. He knows a thing a two
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09/12/2020 19:48:11 0 0
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Indeed, we have been well and truely done over by the USA... ww1, ww2, Suez, TSR2, gulf 1 and 2, Afghanistan and now this... when will our politicians learn? The USA is not out to help us, to be our friend or even an allie, it is out purely and simply for itself. Indeed there is evidence it hates the UK (funding the IRA for a start and the conditions imposed to help defeat Hitler)
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09/12/2020 10:34:32 61 28
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The gov will sell us down the river to get any new deal. A deal with the US will mean lots of things but not great news for many of us or the balance of trade.
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09/12/2020 11:10:39 18 10
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If it's a reciprocal dropping of the tariffs then there may be benefits to this, but i don't see this happening
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09/12/2020 11:20:38 5 2
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Tarrifs are taxes on consumers by the domestic government. Any continuation of tariffs would have amounted to you as a consumer being sold down the river to appease producers. Dropping them is a good idea, whether done bilaterally or on our own. Free trade saves you money and grows the economy. Barriers distort and contort growth and leave us all worse off.
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09/12/2020 11:21:40 5 3
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The EU Sells itself out and ignores its own rules regulations on competition rights all time.

Look Germany bailing out Lufthansa and France bailing its own airline out while EU ignore it.

Meanwhile British Airways and other airlines selling stuff at auction houses to make money.

Funny how EU favours German and French Airlines and businesses over anyone's else's. And let's them brake rules.
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09/12/2020 11:50:54 3 2
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Even without a deal with the US the UK has a trade surplus with the US - UNLIKE with the EU which costs the UK £70B a year - which has to be paid for unless you forget. Trade with nations always needs to be balance thats why most trade deal are only for a small number of years - Unlike the UK being part of the EU which was perm until the exit vote. EU doesn't beleive in "Free Balanced Trade"
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09/12/2020 12:42:35 2 0
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Who's the "us"? On who's behalf are you speaking?
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09/12/2020 13:10:39 3 1
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Free trade creates jobs and reduces costs to the consumer, tariffs destroys jobs. The UK and the US are the biggest proponents of free trade, the EU talks it and does the opposite. If we import say oranges from outside the EU we have to apply circa 15% tariff, why would we do that when we don’t even grow oranges here.
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09/12/2020 10:35:16 59 22
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Just wait until SME's customers in the EU have to start paying twice. Once for their purchase, and then again for VAT, and an extra charge to handle that VAT with their postal service or courier.

Then you'll see how stupid an idea Brexit really was for British businesses.

And four years on and still no truth from Brexiters on the harm that Brexit is doing, still no plan either.
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09/12/2020 21:14:51 2 1
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But we buy more from the EU so we actually net benefit.
Besides if you actually check its not all goods that are subject to tarifs so many wont pay extra anyway
As for VAT then you can check now if you like using China as a 3rd party example. You pay VAT on the goods in and then claim it back, just as most business does when dealign with VAT today.
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09/12/2020 10:35:26 60 24
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US Trade Deal coming through the Back Door, if this happens were screwed, there will be more restrictions with this "Deal" than being in EU.
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09/12/2020 11:30:03 29 45
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Total and complete nonsense.

The EU is a political union with a single market, there is no trade agreement in the world that can be compared.

Yet another comment showing that those supported EU membership didn't know what they were voting for.
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09/12/2020 10:36:22 99 39
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Desperation from the British government at an all time high, it appears.
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09/12/2020 11:25:45 39 11
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Not everyone seems to agree

"But Scotch Whisky Association chief executive Karen Betts described the announcement on Tuesday as "an encouraging step".

'It shows the UK government's determination to de-escalate the damaging transatlantic trade disputes that have seen Scotch whisky exports to the US fall by over 30% in the past year,' she said."
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09/12/2020 14:36:19 5 5
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Desperation from remainers is also at an all time high it would appear.
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09/12/2020 10:32:33 2 9
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You have to try , a little like today really.
Hope Springs Eternal!
Good luck PM
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Pip
09/12/2020 10:36:54 6 1
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Faith, Hope and Charity, not the most ideal of negotiating start points............?
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09/12/2020 10:38:27 0 1
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Have a look where they are at right now lol Walk away Bo
And in return the US will......offer nothing.

This smacks of a country desperate for trade deals. The rest of the world can see it.
Not a great negotiating position to have
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09/12/2020 10:36:59 109 140
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We have signed 57 of them now and within 2 years not the 9 it took the EU to do one with Canada. Just one advantage of Brexit
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09/12/2020 10:42:16 71 12
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....and all of them are just a continuation of the EU deals......and temporary....
The UK has agreed trade deals with 50 countries. None of them are newly negotiated. The deals are on exactly the same terms we negotiated as EU members. They have been rolled-over.

And yes it did take us, as EU members, 9 years to negotiate the Canada deal. Has ever occured to you that the Canadians might be tough negotiators?
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09/12/2020 11:20:36 48 8
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The deals signed are ‘roll over’ deals to replicate what we have as members of the EU. However the Japanese deal is worse for us, but better for Japan.
Only 700 more deals to go.
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ady
09/12/2020 11:21:10 36 4
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Nope, we have signed or have agreements in principle with 52 countries, those that are an agreement in principle (currently around 60% of the deals made) depend upon the outcome of Deal or No Deal with the EU
Approximately 75% of those that have an agreement in principle will only ratify the deal if we enter into a deal with the EU, No Deal would require a full renegotiation of the deals.
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09/12/2020 11:34:13 11 6
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Not correct, we've only got about 20 deals out of 40 'rolled over'.
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09/12/2020 11:22:11 7 4
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can you name just 10 attractive of the 59 where you export £billions
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09/12/2020 11:42:36 10 0
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Deal with Mongolia was a corker! ??
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09/12/2020 11:51:33 7 1
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and those 57 account for 8% of our total exports; EU takes 48% of them!
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09/12/2020 12:00:59 7 1
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All we did was roll over the same contracts we had in the EU. We have no new contracts, all new countries are waiting on what happens with the EU. These sam contracts cost us more as we had to give sweetners to have what we already had. These countries knew we were desperate and cashed in.
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09/12/2020 12:29:26 7 0
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I must have missed it but I haven't seen a any foreign leaders queuing up outside downing street desperate for a deal. No not a single one. I have seen however seen a steady stream of British business moving to Asia.
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09/12/2020 12:34:38 3 0
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Can I sell you a second hand boat? Only a few holes in it.
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09/12/2020 12:52:23 0 5
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HINT EU is not liked by the Rest of the World.
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09/12/2020 13:39:20 2 0
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You realise that these trade deals are just roll overs of the deals that the EU negotiated? I guess you are a Brexiteer and are either ignorant or deliberately misleading.
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09/12/2020 13:44:21 1 0
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LOL... all on the exact terms we had with the EU when you guys told us we were going to get so much better!
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09/12/2020 15:03:04 1 0
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No, we've arranged to continue some EU negotiated deals. You keep on saying this in the folorn hope that someone will think it's true.
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09/12/2020 17:20:29 0 0
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All a tiny fraction of the one we've now left. You leavers are so so gullible.
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09/12/2020 17:51:29 0 0
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They're copy & paste jobs from the deals we already had through the EU!

Except in one or two places where we're not getting such good terms. Only to be expected, as we don't have the economic clout the EU has.
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09/12/2020 19:16:40 0 0
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Easily done if you copy and paste what the EU and those trading partners already agreed before.
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mja
09/12/2020 22:03:08 0 0
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57, There are 3, only one is as agood as the deal we had with the EU

Please name the 54 others
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10/12/2020 07:38:49 0 0
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Are you stupid or just another resident of St Peterborough? all the 57 signed (by the way they include the Canada) are just copy paste from the EU deals!
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10/12/2020 08:49:05 0 0
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They were hardly difficult deals to sign; they are will be a continuation of what we already have through the EU. There is nothing new, no renegotiation; a simple cut and paste. With these deals the nation will benefit very little, as with Japan, we have given them far more than they have given us in return. But then Brexiters need to grab any positives from the mess that they have unleashed.
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09/12/2020 10:37:38 52 15
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And so the big UK sell-out begins. Does the UK really think they can compete on price unless they drop standards on workers rights, the environment, product quality, when competing with the US/China? UK agriculture/manufacturing can drop standards or go bust, that's the choice they will have. Brexit keeps on giving - just not to the UK. But warning voices were done off with as Project Fear.
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09/12/2020 21:17:49 2 0
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Why would we compete on price? The Germans for example pay their workers more than we pay ours and out compete us.
Then of course you could look at the real problems... lack of investment in machinery and product development (check out how the Mini door handles were never fixed and took 20x as long to fit as the Polo handles), cost of energy, capital and land, lack of gvmt sponsored home market
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09/12/2020 10:38:10 49 13
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"Liz Truss said the UK wanted to find compromise." Sounds like we're showing the begging bowl to the US while sticking two fingers up at the EU and the rest of the world can see this.

Countries won't be queuing to trade because of our "sovereignty", it will be to take advantage of our weakened (and increasingly desperate) position.
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09/12/2020 21:45:48 2 1
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Weakened? We are incredibly weak becuase 40 years in the EU has destroyed our manufacturing base (coupled with incompetent government by both Labour (TSR2) and Conservatives (BL).

The fact is we now need to understand we need to spend billions buying from UK manufacturing (e..g. all police cars - like the French and Germans buy local) and stop buying foreign (incl American planes)
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09/12/2020 10:38:25 70 22
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Its the first step towards giving away parts of our soverignty to the US in order to secure a trade deal. Complicated by the fact that Airbus is a UK company that we will now be placing a double disadvantage.

We are weaker, more vulnerable and led by shortermist self-interested disaster capitalists.
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09/12/2020 20:53:35 4 1
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Removing some tariffs is not giving away any soverienty at all. Now letting others decide who you can do what deals with is. Airbus is also not a UK company, its hq is in Holland. It assembles planes in France, Germany and the US! Yes the US. We provide parts for a number of the planes but dont build any, but we do that for Boeing as well
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09/12/2020 20:57:07 0 0
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We are also not weaker or vulnerable. The US has always been able to do what it likes with us and does whether we are in the EU taking their orders or not. The EU wont and doesnt come steaming into our rescue. The US dumps a massive tariff on Scotch because of a dispute with a Dutch company called Airbus and the EU carries on regardless
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Pip
09/12/2020 10:36:54 6 1
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Faith, Hope and Charity, not the most ideal of negotiating start points............?
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09/12/2020 10:38:27 0 1
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Have a look where they are at right now lol Walk away Bo
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09/12/2020 10:38:50 48 16
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We are going towards years of tit for tat, kiss and make up, trying to get the best deal available at the time,knowing we are in a weak position. Gone are the days of good reliable access to a large market with our neighbours.
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09/12/2020 10:31:11 86 9
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Tariffs applied to EU goods but removed from US, sounds like a recipe for no deal
But if the UK apply tariffs to EU goods, they have to apply the same tariffs to the US and rest of the world for those goods.
That is how WTO rules work.
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09/12/2020 11:22:49 13 7
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Or, we could just be like France, Germany, USA and do whatever we like.
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09/12/2020 11:56:11 10 3
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So, the 'lightning tariffs' proposed by the EU against the UK would be illegal under WTO terms then? Unless they are applying them to the rest of the world of course.
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09/12/2020 12:55:10 6 3
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No, that is why you have treaties, agreements, introductory offers. Clearly you do not even know the EU rules on Commerce, or Fair Trade. Please consult either a lawyer, a doctor OR both.
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Bob
09/12/2020 12:45:07 1 1
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...Unless WTO makes an exception to the 'most favoured nation' rule, as it did with these tariffs mutually between US and UK/EU...
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09/12/2020 14:51:41 1 0
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Not if they have trade deals with those other countries.
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09/12/2020 20:43:22 0 0
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Not quite. It is possible in a trade dispute to use tariffs for retaliation, thats what both the US and EU have done. Now we are saying we will back out of that dispute and expect the US will remove the excess tariffs applied to our sales to the US (e.g. scotch)... this probably will work pretty well. Whether it creates an atmosphere for a balanced UK/US trade deal I doubt.
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09/12/2020 23:12:51 0 0
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you might not have noticed, the UK is not to big on rules these days.
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10/12/2020 09:36:40 0 0
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WTO requires countries/trading blocks to apply standard published tariffs to all countries/trading blocks with which they don't have a trade deal. If there is a trade deal then the tariffs in the trade deal apply to that country/trading block only.
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09/12/2020 10:39:59 73 23
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A US deal was reported to be worth 0.16% to GDP over the next 15 years. This will come nowhere near replacing the loss of Single Market membership. Also, the mooted deals with Aus and NZ are “piddling” even compared to a US deal never mind the SM. Please get rid of this wrecking ball government.
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09/12/2020 12:53:07 25 7
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Unilateral removal of tariffs on US imports does rather sound like the UK is "adopting the position" at the trade negotiation table in preparation for the US to do whatever it wants....
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09/12/2020 20:50:03 0 0
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So how are you valuing the single market? In the goods they send us? We have a massive trade deficit with them, reducing that massively helps the UK. We have a trade surplus with the US so increasing that helps the UK. You see, its not just the headline amount of trade but the direction it goes in.
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09/12/2020 10:40:45 4 4
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One of the few benefits of Brexit. The ability to negotiate on our own behalf.

Let's hope that the EU, who'll remain our biggest market, deal or no deal, don't take a dim view of us cosying up to a country they're currently in dispute with.
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09/12/2020 10:41:02 6 8
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The UK being able to make decisions independent of the EU is going to upset a lot of people on here.
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09/12/2020 10:42:43 11 3
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Yes, especially if it is stupid decisions, which will lower UK standard of living.
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09/12/2020 10:43:42 5 1
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Don't you worry Scotland, Northern Ireland an eventually Wales will be able to make independent decisions soon.
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09/12/2020 10:46:40 7 0
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Decisions like creating a border in the UK - with tariffs & customs declarations?
Perhaps decisions like ditching Huawei when the US Pres calls to demand it?
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09/12/2020 10:41:34 4 9
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Hopefully Washington, unlike Brussels, will respond in good faith, recognise that the UK is a sovereign state, and agree an arrangement that benefits both sides.
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09/12/2020 10:44:33 13 2
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Try to dictate rules to the US, as you did with the EU, and the response will be the same.
The penny will drop eventually.
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09/12/2020 10:49:16 5 0
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That’s funny. Go tell the US you want to have your cake and eat it, and that you will only agree to a deal with them on your terms, and see how far you get ??
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09/12/2020 10:52:54 0 0
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The US have been trying to impose all sorts of product rules on us for a trade deal. Acceptance of their poor standards, reduction in labelling and transparency for example. How does that recognise our sovereignty?
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09/12/2020 10:41:40 64 22
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This is all starting to show just how desperate the UK Government is becoming, as we edge closer to no deal and virtually no trade agreements!
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09/12/2020 21:10:46 2 1
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We have all the significant EU deals with the rest of the world rolled over at least. Several more rather more important ones in the pipeline.
We have a massive trade deficit with the EU, a period on tariffs will reduce the deficit and protect what remains of industry in the UK while it invests and recovers
Removed
WTO rules essentially say do this for one country and you do it for all. Prepare for an enormous dumping of Chinese products on to the UK market and the entire destruction of all UK manufacturing.
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09/12/2020 10:44:30 19 11
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WTO rules say nothing of the sort. There'd be no point in making bilateral trade agreements if they did now, would there?
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09/12/2020 10:45:08 0 4
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I like trees.
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09/12/2020 12:08:22 4 0
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I believe these were punitive tariffs that were cleared by the WTO Dispute Settlement Body. They're not applied globally, just to the US.
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09/12/2020 15:11:07 3 0
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No, these were additional tariffs imposed on the US (and only the US) by the EU in retaliation for state aid to Boeing. Now we're out of the EU, we can unilaterally remove them if we wish. But only from the US, since they only ever applied to the US. There will be no effect on China or the rest of the world.
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09/12/2020 10:42:14 49 15
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UK aerospace sector already looking jittery due to Airbus being a combined EU project - now they are reducing the cost of imported / subsidised US technology to UK!!
Looks like another world renowned key skill of UK industry is on the way out along with the UK automobile sector.
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09/12/2020 10:49:59 22 10
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You know that British Aeorspace, a founder of Airbus, pulled out of the consortium due to excessive political pressure?
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09/12/2020 21:24:04 0 0
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The UK aerospace industry was killed by the Labour government cancelling and totally destroying TSR2 (even the plans, jigs, documents and flying prototype).
This was done in order to beg the US to back our application for an IMF loan we didnt actually need.
The US were scared of TSR2 as it was better than anything they had then or since.
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09/12/2020 10:36:59 109 140
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We have signed 57 of them now and within 2 years not the 9 it took the EU to do one with Canada. Just one advantage of Brexit
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09/12/2020 10:42:16 71 12
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....and all of them are just a continuation of the EU deals......and temporary....
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09/12/2020 12:56:09 0 5
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Wrong!
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09/12/2020 10:42:32 5 4
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The protesters are out in force today for their last hoorah.
They are not quite as upbeat today though. Give it your all PM lol
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09/12/2020 10:42:34 104 36
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Will accelarate the exit of Airbus from UK. Selling out more UK jobs.
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GF
09/12/2020 11:11:24 48 31
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Airbus has already said it's not going anywhere. Keep up.
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OwO
09/12/2020 11:41:28 3 9
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Airbus loves being part of the UK, with our engineering expertise. The amount of French tech companies here, that have no plans no move, will undoubtedly surprise you.
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PH
09/12/2020 12:33:13 4 10
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Not if UK government subsidise it. That’s level playing field EU style. Subsides EU companies, but don’t dare try and do it for UK companies. EU is a protectionist organisation full stop
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09/12/2020 20:46:20 0 0
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If it does then it is pure politics... there are no tariffs on aircraft parts.
Mind you we actually sell more parts to Boeing than Airbus. e.g. we produce 25% of the 787 here in the UK.
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09/12/2020 10:41:02 6 8
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The UK being able to make decisions independent of the EU is going to upset a lot of people on here.
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09/12/2020 10:42:43 11 3
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Yes, especially if it is stupid decisions, which will lower UK standard of living.
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09/12/2020 10:43:02 3 11
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The good side of Brexit..The bad side of Biden...
Not pro or against, but its great to see something positive for Brexit for once.
Everyone is so -ve and want to see GB fail. Just to say 'I told you so'
Flexibility on a world stage is 'Good'. Being told what we cannot do is 'Bad'.
Biden and NI, Really, what has it got to do with him. He is already playing God. Sort your own country, it's a mess.
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09/12/2020 10:44:28 17 5
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Something positive? The US haven't given anything back yet! We have just given our own world renowned Aerospace sector a massive kick in the balls for FREE!
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09/12/2020 10:46:58 3 2
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..the US is a mess main due to Trump stirring up hate amongst his own people and doing nothing about a certain virus. However looking at economic figures and the way we handled the pandemic, plus 4 years later last minute Brexit chaos we have more to worry about this christmas
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09/12/2020 10:48:12 0 1
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I think a very few people would like to see the UK fail just to say "I told you so". I keeps seen a lot of commentators from the Leave side rubbing their hand with glee at the prospect of the EU failing and disintegrate.
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09/12/2020 10:43:02 4 3
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In order to be consistent the UK could have started putting 'Airbus' tarrifs on EU imports or scrapped 'Boeing' tarrifs from US imports.

Seems to me the move to scrap the whole caboodle and defuse the whole affair is a step in the right direction.
And in return the US will......offer nothing.

This smacks of a country desperate for trade deals. The rest of the world can see it.
Not a great negotiating position to have
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09/12/2020 10:43:34 11 13
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Either that or you havn't understood it ;-)
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09/12/2020 10:41:02 6 8
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The UK being able to make decisions independent of the EU is going to upset a lot of people on here.
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09/12/2020 10:43:42 5 1
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Don't you worry Scotland, Northern Ireland an eventually Wales will be able to make independent decisions soon.
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09/12/2020 10:43:02 3 11
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The good side of Brexit..The bad side of Biden...
Not pro or against, but its great to see something positive for Brexit for once.
Everyone is so -ve and want to see GB fail. Just to say 'I told you so'
Flexibility on a world stage is 'Good'. Being told what we cannot do is 'Bad'.
Biden and NI, Really, what has it got to do with him. He is already playing God. Sort your own country, it's a mess.
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09/12/2020 10:44:28 17 5
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Something positive? The US haven't given anything back yet! We have just given our own world renowned Aerospace sector a massive kick in the balls for FREE!
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09/12/2020 10:49:49 2 2
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...so we will not be able to subsidise our industry if we want to have a level playing field with the EU, but we are willing to allow US competitors an unfair advantage over us.... desperate, short-sighted, incompetent from our gov.
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09/12/2020 11:03:30 0 0
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No...Airbus will move production back to within the Single market....that would be Belfast maybe? There is the Shorts factory which could be easily purchased for peanuts...
WTO rules essentially say do this for one country and you do it for all. Prepare for an enormous dumping of Chinese products on to the UK market and the entire destruction of all UK manufacturing.
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09/12/2020 10:44:30 19 11
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WTO rules say nothing of the sort. There'd be no point in making bilateral trade agreements if they did now, would there?
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09/12/2020 10:51:13 10 1
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WTO rules do say that if there is no trade deal in place.
He is correct. Trading under WTO rules, the rules say exactly that. The UK trades with China, US, Australia, NZ etc under WTO rules at present, and possibly the EU etc after Dec 31st. Tariffs on products from those countries will be set at the same level. But China can manufacture the products much cheaper. Hence the "dumping" reference.

With bilateral/multilateral deals WTO rules don't apply.
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09/12/2020 12:39:40 3 1
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Know nowt. Why come on here telling porkies? Oh, coz you know nowt but have an agenda to spin.

If we enter WTO rules, it's one rule for all my friend. Get your tin foil hat back on.
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09/12/2020 10:41:34 4 9
bbc
Hopefully Washington, unlike Brussels, will respond in good faith, recognise that the UK is a sovereign state, and agree an arrangement that benefits both sides.
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09/12/2020 10:44:33 13 2
bbc
Try to dictate rules to the US, as you did with the EU, and the response will be the same.
The penny will drop eventually.
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09/12/2020 10:50:50 1 5
bbc
Do you really, seriously believe that the UK were dictating rules to the EU? We bent over *backwards* to try and accommodate all their demands.
WTO rules essentially say do this for one country and you do it for all. Prepare for an enormous dumping of Chinese products on to the UK market and the entire destruction of all UK manufacturing.
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09/12/2020 10:45:08 0 4
bbc
I like trees.
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09/12/2020 10:31:11 86 9
bbc
Tariffs applied to EU goods but removed from US, sounds like a recipe for no deal
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09/12/2020 10:46:13 10 1
bbc
If the UK had continued to apply 'Boeing' related tarrifs to US imports then it would have had to apply the 'Airbus' tarrifs to EU imports were it to remain neutral in this absurd dispute.

Not applying the punitive tarrifs to either would seem to me to be a wholesome approach.
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09/12/2020 10:41:02 6 8
bbc
The UK being able to make decisions independent of the EU is going to upset a lot of people on here.
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09/12/2020 10:46:40 7 0
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Decisions like creating a border in the UK - with tariffs & customs declarations?
Perhaps decisions like ditching Huawei when the US Pres calls to demand it?
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09/12/2020 10:43:02 3 11
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The good side of Brexit..The bad side of Biden...
Not pro or against, but its great to see something positive for Brexit for once.
Everyone is so -ve and want to see GB fail. Just to say 'I told you so'
Flexibility on a world stage is 'Good'. Being told what we cannot do is 'Bad'.
Biden and NI, Really, what has it got to do with him. He is already playing God. Sort your own country, it's a mess.
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09/12/2020 10:46:58 3 2
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..the US is a mess main due to Trump stirring up hate amongst his own people and doing nothing about a certain virus. However looking at economic figures and the way we handled the pandemic, plus 4 years later last minute Brexit chaos we have more to worry about this christmas
And in return the US will......offer nothing.

This smacks of a country desperate for trade deals. The rest of the world can see it.
Not a great negotiating position to have
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09/12/2020 10:48:07 17 33
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So... when someone else chases a deal are they desparate?
We are trying to deeal globally and succeeding. Believe in making this nation great or leave.
Its a mess at the moment but we have to get on with things and stop chasing scraps at the table. You can't build a business on hand outs. We need spot and create opportunities, build value, keep our costs low and market the country.
Whatever happened to the Brexiteer idea of playing your cards close to your chest and not giving anything away to your opponent.
Here we have made a concession before our opponent has even agreed to sit down at the table.
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09/12/2020 11:29:42 7 7
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Your vision of what makes a nation great is different from mine
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09/12/2020 17:52:47 0 0
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My friend, you're living in a fantasy land.
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09/12/2020 10:43:02 3 11
bbc
The good side of Brexit..The bad side of Biden...
Not pro or against, but its great to see something positive for Brexit for once.
Everyone is so -ve and want to see GB fail. Just to say 'I told you so'
Flexibility on a world stage is 'Good'. Being told what we cannot do is 'Bad'.
Biden and NI, Really, what has it got to do with him. He is already playing God. Sort your own country, it's a mess.
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09/12/2020 10:48:12 0 1
bbc
I think a very few people would like to see the UK fail just to say "I told you so". I keeps seen a lot of commentators from the Leave side rubbing their hand with glee at the prospect of the EU failing and disintegrate.
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09/12/2020 10:48:37 68 17
bbc
"International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said the UK wanted to find compromise."

Begging and surrendering is not compromising.
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09/12/2020 10:50:45 7 14
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So the UK should have taken sides inthe argument?
468
09/12/2020 21:07:28 0 1
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True enough it isnt... I dont advocate either begging or surrendering... .unlike the europhiles on here that want us to beg the EU for any deal they will give us and then to surrender totally and retreat back into the EU which has been damaging us for 40+ years
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09/12/2020 10:41:34 4 9
bbc
Hopefully Washington, unlike Brussels, will respond in good faith, recognise that the UK is a sovereign state, and agree an arrangement that benefits both sides.
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09/12/2020 10:49:16 5 0
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That’s funny. Go tell the US you want to have your cake and eat it, and that you will only agree to a deal with them on your terms, and see how far you get ??
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09/12/2020 10:44:28 17 5
bbc
Something positive? The US haven't given anything back yet! We have just given our own world renowned Aerospace sector a massive kick in the balls for FREE!
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09/12/2020 10:49:49 2 2
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...so we will not be able to subsidise our industry if we want to have a level playing field with the EU, but we are willing to allow US competitors an unfair advantage over us.... desperate, short-sighted, incompetent from our gov.
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09/12/2020 10:42:14 49 15
bbc
UK aerospace sector already looking jittery due to Airbus being a combined EU project - now they are reducing the cost of imported / subsidised US technology to UK!!
Looks like another world renowned key skill of UK industry is on the way out along with the UK automobile sector.
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09/12/2020 10:49:59 22 10
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You know that British Aeorspace, a founder of Airbus, pulled out of the consortium due to excessive political pressure?
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09/12/2020 11:13:06 6 0
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Having worked for 30 years or more for BAe I would politely suggest your analysis is wrong, BAe has deliberately focused on high end / value added military contracts and divested everything else and large military contracts like Typhoon, Lightning and Carriers are significantly more political in nature.
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09/12/2020 12:53:57 1 0
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Crispees66 has answered your question. Regardless Broughton and supporting industry has BOOMED under Airbus & EU.
Though i don't want to be too company specific it doesn't take a 'rocket' scientist to know removing tariff on subsidised US goods is going to effect the competitiveness / profit of our own companies in the aerospace sector that compete against them!
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09/12/2020 10:48:37 68 17
bbc
"International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said the UK wanted to find compromise."

Begging and surrendering is not compromising.
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09/12/2020 10:50:45 7 14
bbc
So the UK should have taken sides inthe argument?
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09/12/2020 10:53:37 13 1
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Airbus is the largest commercial aerospace company in the UK, as well as its biggest civil aerospace exporter, so yes.
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09/12/2020 12:55:43 2 0
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Well said Armchair Bore. Your not too well with your open ended questions Roger..
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Bob
09/12/2020 13:05:37 5 0
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In not insisting the US to drop their part of tariffs on whiskey and cheddar they have taken sides. For the US and against our own industries.
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09/12/2020 10:44:33 13 2
bbc
Try to dictate rules to the US, as you did with the EU, and the response will be the same.
The penny will drop eventually.
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09/12/2020 10:50:50 1 5
bbc
Do you really, seriously believe that the UK were dictating rules to the EU? We bent over *backwards* to try and accommodate all their demands.
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09/12/2020 10:55:52 2 0
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Expecting them to adapt their own long-standing rules to give a former member more favourable terms than their own current members is exactly that.
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09/12/2020 11:00:47 2 0
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When a former member - population 65m - whines about following the same rules members of a bloc with 370m ppl follow - and expects preferential treatment, that's exactly what it is - all the moreso when trade with the small party in all of this accounts for 8% of the bigger blocs total trade, and 45% of the smaller party's overall trade.
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09/12/2020 11:16:23 2 0
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Man you are seriously deluded
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09/12/2020 10:51:00 3 1
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Brexit latest news: Boris Johnson's Brussels dinner will create 'political momentum' to reach deal, Michael Gove says lol!!! - The Telegraph
Perhaps the fish at the other dinners did not taste as good as this one might then. Dear oh dear
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09/12/2020 10:44:30 19 11
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WTO rules say nothing of the sort. There'd be no point in making bilateral trade agreements if they did now, would there?
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09/12/2020 10:51:13 10 1
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WTO rules do say that if there is no trade deal in place.
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09/12/2020 15:14:29 3 0
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No they don't. These aren't general tariffs, they are additional tariffs imposed by the EU on the US (and only the US) in retaliation for state aid to Boeing. Now we're out of the EU, we can unilaterally remove them if we wish. But only from the US, as they onlyapplied to theUS in the first place.
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09/12/2020 10:41:34 4 9
bbc
Hopefully Washington, unlike Brussels, will respond in good faith, recognise that the UK is a sovereign state, and agree an arrangement that benefits both sides.
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09/12/2020 10:52:54 0 0
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The US have been trying to impose all sorts of product rules on us for a trade deal. Acceptance of their poor standards, reduction in labelling and transparency for example. How does that recognise our sovereignty?
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09/12/2020 10:50:45 7 14
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So the UK should have taken sides inthe argument?
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09/12/2020 10:53:37 13 1
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Airbus is the largest commercial aerospace company in the UK, as well as its biggest civil aerospace exporter, so yes.
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09/12/2020 10:54:06 9 6
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We make parts of the Airbus (currently), so are a player in the tariff war. Does this indicate that we don't expect to be contributing to airbus manufacture in future? I guess so.
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09/12/2020 10:36:59 109 140
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We have signed 57 of them now and within 2 years not the 9 it took the EU to do one with Canada. Just one advantage of Brexit
The UK has agreed trade deals with 50 countries. None of them are newly negotiated. The deals are on exactly the same terms we negotiated as EU members. They have been rolled-over.

And yes it did take us, as EU members, 9 years to negotiate the Canada deal. Has ever occured to you that the Canadians might be tough negotiators?
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OwO
09/12/2020 11:39:54 5 1
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So what you're saying, is we had a bunch of oven ready deals, all now completed?

Perfect - exactly what was promised ;)
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09/12/2020 12:59:07 1 3
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Has ever occurred (two r's not one) to you that we are now free of an enormous amount of red tape and have improved on the deals for The UK?

Nah! It won't have because YOU are a remoaner. Moan, moan, moan.
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09/12/2020 10:54:59 9 4
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The Government seems very good at giving concessions without asking for anything in return.
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09/12/2020 10:55:38 1 2
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Good news for the UK. Nice to hear.
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09/12/2020 11:14:09 2 0
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So you want the Airbus workers to lose their jobs?
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09/12/2020 10:50:50 1 5
bbc
Do you really, seriously believe that the UK were dictating rules to the EU? We bent over *backwards* to try and accommodate all their demands.
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09/12/2020 10:55:52 2 0
bbc
Expecting them to adapt their own long-standing rules to give a former member more favourable terms than their own current members is exactly that.
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09/12/2020 10:55:53 12 6
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Rolling over already. So much for holding our own
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09/12/2020 10:50:04 9 6
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Hugh Pugh
Hopefully Washington, unlike Brussels, will respond in good faith, recognise that the UK is a sovereign state, and agree an arrangement that benefits both sides.

I think you meant ...recognise that the UK is a puppet state... & keep telling it what to do as per Huawei & NI.
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09/12/2020 10:57:38 1 1
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Making stuff is so 19th Century

Not great all around

Ever wondered why centrally planned economies plummeted - they made stuff no one wanted

Flying is going to have 10 years of pain - and the Chinese will enter the game - I'd suggest it's not a winner to "back"
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ljs
09/12/2020 10:58:07 14 4
bbc
When you sup with the Americans

use a long spoon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09/12/2020 10:59:30 5 2
bbc
We have good friends on the continent who in their words "have enjoyed very very profitable trade with the UK"

They are preying a trade agreement is achieved as they know otherwise their UK market will be eroded by competition.

Tariffs are designed to protect EU companies however restrict competition. The UK will set their own tariffs so it will be interesting to see the winners and losers.
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09/12/2020 11:05:55 2 1
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and the Airbus factory in the UK will be closed....talk about shooting yourself in BOTH FEET!!
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09/12/2020 10:59:30 8 3
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poodle poodle...Tories know how to cowtow, doff the cap and crawl. I wonder if Airbus will now take steps to move wing manufacture out of the UK...Theres a nice factory in Belfast that does the same thing and will be in the single market in January....
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09/12/2020 10:50:50 1 5
bbc
Do you really, seriously believe that the UK were dictating rules to the EU? We bent over *backwards* to try and accommodate all their demands.
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09/12/2020 11:00:47 2 0
bbc
When a former member - population 65m - whines about following the same rules members of a bloc with 370m ppl follow - and expects preferential treatment, that's exactly what it is - all the moreso when trade with the small party in all of this accounts for 8% of the bigger blocs total trade, and 45% of the smaller party's overall trade.
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09/12/2020 11:01:24 8 6
bbc
They will be giving up the NHS to the USA next.
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09/12/2020 11:04:22 6 3
bbc
Evidence please ...
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09/12/2020 10:48:07 17 33
bbc
So... when someone else chases a deal are they desparate?
We are trying to deeal globally and succeeding. Believe in making this nation great or leave.
Its a mess at the moment but we have to get on with things and stop chasing scraps at the table. You can't build a business on hand outs. We need spot and create opportunities, build value, keep our costs low and market the country.
Whatever happened to the Brexiteer idea of playing your cards close to your chest and not giving anything away to your opponent.
Here we have made a concession before our opponent has even agreed to sit down at the table.
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09/12/2020 11:02:31 1 1
bbc
No panic then.
66
09/12/2020 11:02:46 15 1
bbc
With Boris on his way to Brussels, was this really the moment to make this announcement?

I think not.

Perhaps Airbus will start making the wings themselves, Toulouse needs the work.
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09/12/2020 11:05:11 0 5
bbc
Is Airbus still making planes ?
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09/12/2020 10:44:28 17 5
bbc
Something positive? The US haven't given anything back yet! We have just given our own world renowned Aerospace sector a massive kick in the balls for FREE!
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09/12/2020 11:03:30 0 0
bbc
No...Airbus will move production back to within the Single market....that would be Belfast maybe? There is the Shorts factory which could be easily purchased for peanuts...
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09/12/2020 11:03:48 4 8
bbc
UK drops EU tariffs for USA goods ... well we would as the EUs argument with the USA is not a UK argument.

We can do this as we are NOT in the EU.

Expect more events like this as the UK can do what suits the UK.
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09/12/2020 11:05:33 9 1
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What suits America, you mean.
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09/12/2020 11:14:51 1 0
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Citizen. Please put your tin foil hat back on and return to your bunker.
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09/12/2020 11:04:18 5 2
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is long as its the same the other way round then yes why not.
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09/12/2020 11:01:24 8 6
bbc
They will be giving up the NHS to the USA next.
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09/12/2020 11:04:22 6 3
bbc
Evidence please ...
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09/12/2020 11:15:42 3 2
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Use your eyes. Go and read around the subject. No one wants to play catch up for the hard of thinking.
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09/12/2020 11:04:44 6 3
bbc
Even in the best of circumstances a trade deal with the USA favours them. When you show you are totally desperate, it's going to be much worse.
66
09/12/2020 11:02:46 15 1
bbc
With Boris on his way to Brussels, was this really the moment to make this announcement?

I think not.

Perhaps Airbus will start making the wings themselves, Toulouse needs the work.
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09/12/2020 11:05:11 0 5
bbc
Is Airbus still making planes ?
100
09/12/2020 11:14:38 1 0
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Airbus is the largest commercial aerospace company in the UK, as well as its biggest civil aerospace exporter
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09/12/2020 11:03:48 4 8
bbc
UK drops EU tariffs for USA goods ... well we would as the EUs argument with the USA is not a UK argument.

We can do this as we are NOT in the EU.

Expect more events like this as the UK can do what suits the UK.
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09/12/2020 11:05:33 9 1
bbc
What suits America, you mean.
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09/12/2020 11:05:40 3 3
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When I was developing my product and got a matched funding offer from Technology Strategy Board it was for max 45% from them 55% from me. I looked up various EU regions and Germany could do 60% from the state. It's not like the EU even plays by its own rules. That's why I voted to leave the EU. China puts huge money into steel. They believe its better to fund activity than inactivity as we do.
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09/12/2020 11:05:41 3 2
bbc
We have a slightly better chance of a beneficial deal with Biden than Trump, that is for sure, but still massive question mark over whether it will be as equal partners. Seems unlikely.
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09/12/2020 11:13:50 1 0
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Seems? LOL
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09/12/2020 10:59:30 5 2
bbc
We have good friends on the continent who in their words "have enjoyed very very profitable trade with the UK"

They are preying a trade agreement is achieved as they know otherwise their UK market will be eroded by competition.

Tariffs are designed to protect EU companies however restrict competition. The UK will set their own tariffs so it will be interesting to see the winners and losers.
76
09/12/2020 11:05:55 2 1
bbc
and the Airbus factory in the UK will be closed....talk about shooting yourself in BOTH FEET!!
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09/12/2020 11:56:08 0 0
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As Filton and Broughton make all the Airbus wings that might be Airbus cutting off a leg!
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PS
09/12/2020 11:06:17 3 4
bbc
I agree not a great time to have this announcement, that said, it illustrates how the UK will be able to be competitive across the pond on leaving the EU. Maybe it's a strategy of showing the EU of what is achievable once we leave the "Club"
90
09/12/2020 11:12:57 3 0
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Why is supporting American workers, over British ones, a good thing?
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09/12/2020 11:13:31 2 0
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Can I sell you a second hand boat? 1 careful owner. Only a few small holes in it.
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09/12/2020 11:06:30 36 7
bbc
Unless its reciprocal why do it? and why announce this now before January?
Do the Tories actually know how to negotiate.
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09/12/2020 11:09:24 10 6
bbc
This is negotiation!
''...we want to de-escalate the conflict and come to a negotiated settlement so we can deepen our trading relationship with the US and draw a line under all this.''
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09/12/2020 11:12:56 5 1
bbc
BJ the Clown is a Yank. Just looking after his own.
Their negotiating strategy is to drop their pants, see if they like it and then say; if you want more, you're going to have to pay for it... a bit like British women, if you know what I mean... Removed
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09/12/2020 11:13:41 1 2
bbc
Do you think talks about talks with the USA aren't taking place ?
As we are out of the EU completely on Jan 1st then expect more removal of EU implemented actions that don't suit the UK.
This is another Brexit bonus.
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09/12/2020 14:19:37 1 0
bbc
Clearly not.
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09/12/2020 10:57:00 15 6
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Orange Man said trade wars were easy to win. How many has he won? None. He will leave office in January with the highest number of ongoing trade disputes in history. Time for the world to reset.
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09/12/2020 11:12:24 8 0
bbc
I guess the counter argument would be trade disputes are easy to avoid, just let the "competition" do what they like.

Although with the US support for Boeing via military purchases make this particular dispute hard to call.

Hopefully Biden will bring a calmer head to these issues without ducking them.
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09/12/2020 11:19:38 3 0
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Do you have any idea of what tariffs China puts on UK/EU and US goods? Have you ever tried exporting a good to China? Or indeed South Korea? If you had then you would understand why Trump went at the Chinese.
And on a related but separate issue, how many of Trumps polices will Biden actually overturn? None.
And a final comment - Trump did say the vaccine would be ready before xmas.
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09/12/2020 11:06:30 36 7
bbc
Unless its reciprocal why do it? and why announce this now before January?
Do the Tories actually know how to negotiate.
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09/12/2020 11:09:24 10 6
bbc
This is negotiation!
''...we want to de-escalate the conflict and come to a negotiated settlement so we can deepen our trading relationship with the US and draw a line under all this.''
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09/12/2020 11:10:59 2 1
bbc
can you say roll over?
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09/12/2020 11:12:26 4 1
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By shafting British Airbus workers, to subsidise American workers? How is this a good plan.
What is there to negotiate?
This is about rivalry between Boeing and Airbus, state subsidies, and tariffs.
Consider the facts.
Neither company is manufacturing new aircraft. This industry is the worst hit
Both are practically state owned due to furlough and taxation measures.
No sales make tariffs irrelevant.

This is simply gesture politics, and sucking up to the US by Truss and the government.
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09/12/2020 11:09:56 17 5
bbc
No mention of the US dropping their tariffs for British goods...
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09/12/2020 11:12:22 7 4
bbc
We will have to 'bend over backwards' before that happens!
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09/12/2020 10:34:32 61 28
bbc
The gov will sell us down the river to get any new deal. A deal with the US will mean lots of things but not great news for many of us or the balance of trade.
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09/12/2020 11:10:39 18 10
bbc
If it's a reciprocal dropping of the tariffs then there may be benefits to this, but i don't see this happening
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09/12/2020 11:16:10 2 2
bbc
Trump will not drop tariffs. Therefore we have dropped the tariffs to EVERY other country in the world on the same products.
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09/12/2020 11:09:24 10 6
bbc
This is negotiation!
''...we want to de-escalate the conflict and come to a negotiated settlement so we can deepen our trading relationship with the US and draw a line under all this.''
83
09/12/2020 11:10:59 2 1
bbc
can you say roll over?
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09/12/2020 10:42:34 104 36
bbc
Will accelarate the exit of Airbus from UK. Selling out more UK jobs.
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GF
09/12/2020 11:11:24 48 31
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Airbus has already said it's not going anywhere. Keep up.
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09/12/2020 11:17:16 14 4
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‘Cos it is already in France, Germany and Spain. All it needs to do is manufacture the wings in one of those countries.
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09/12/2020 12:35:29 10 3
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You will believe anything....especially if it is written on the side of a bus...cheezus!
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09/12/2020 12:50:28 12 0
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That's what Ineos, Toyota and Nissan said as well....
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LG
09/12/2020 13:28:50 4 0
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...for now!
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09/12/2020 13:51:55 1 0
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The new Airbus boss, Faury realised they had gone too far in being seen to take a political stance. Hence "we are committed to UK" and " we see potential for growth" (pre-Covid of course!). But in the same breath, the comment "the nature of the future relationship...is still to be determined" was based on there being a satisfactory deal, industry observers understand all too clearly the inference.
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09/12/2020 15:03:58 0 0
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So has boris. keep up.
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Kai
09/12/2020 15:52:23 0 0
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And you believe them? like Dyson I presume.
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09/12/2020 17:57:22 0 0
bbc
That was when they were told (by Leadsom) the UK would stand by the EU regarding the Airbus/Boeing dispute. That's now changed.
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09/12/2020 19:04:14 0 0
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Decisions can be reversed at a moments notice
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09/12/2020 11:11:38 31 6
bbc
Great to be back in control. Now we can blame no one but ourselves for the empty shelves and inflated prices. Now we can look on in pride as the PM scurries across the channel to lie prostate at the door of the EU. Now we can be thankful that we have the chance to genuflect for the American importers.

But....Liz Truss? LOL .... to paraphrase some American nutter....THE BEST IS YET TO COME
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09/12/2020 11:13:31 23 13
bbc
Here we come, NHS to become controlled by the USA, chlorinated chicken...
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09/12/2020 11:09:56 17 5
bbc
No mention of the US dropping their tariffs for British goods...
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09/12/2020 11:12:22 7 4
bbc
We will have to 'bend over backwards' before that happens!
I will not , but Boris can, Poker up the Jacksy comes in to mind. Removed
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09/12/2020 10:57:00 15 6
bbc
Orange Man said trade wars were easy to win. How many has he won? None. He will leave office in January with the highest number of ongoing trade disputes in history. Time for the world to reset.
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09/12/2020 11:12:24 8 0
bbc
I guess the counter argument would be trade disputes are easy to avoid, just let the "competition" do what they like.

Although with the US support for Boeing via military purchases make this particular dispute hard to call.

Hopefully Biden will bring a calmer head to these issues without ducking them.
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09/12/2020 11:20:57 1 0
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Its a nice idea - but it won't work.
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09/12/2020 11:09:24 10 6
bbc
This is negotiation!
''...we want to de-escalate the conflict and come to a negotiated settlement so we can deepen our trading relationship with the US and draw a line under all this.''
88
09/12/2020 11:12:26 4 1
bbc
By shafting British Airbus workers, to subsidise American workers? How is this a good plan.
78
09/12/2020 11:06:30 36 7
bbc
Unless its reciprocal why do it? and why announce this now before January?
Do the Tories actually know how to negotiate.
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09/12/2020 11:12:56 5 1
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BJ the Clown is a Yank. Just looking after his own.
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09/12/2020 11:06:17 3 4
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I agree not a great time to have this announcement, that said, it illustrates how the UK will be able to be competitive across the pond on leaving the EU. Maybe it's a strategy of showing the EU of what is achievable once we leave the "Club"
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09/12/2020 11:12:57 3 0
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Why is supporting American workers, over British ones, a good thing?
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09/12/2020 10:49:59 22 10
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You know that British Aeorspace, a founder of Airbus, pulled out of the consortium due to excessive political pressure?
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09/12/2020 11:13:06 6 0
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Having worked for 30 years or more for BAe I would politely suggest your analysis is wrong, BAe has deliberately focused on high end / value added military contracts and divested everything else and large military contracts like Typhoon, Lightning and Carriers are significantly more political in nature.
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09/12/2020 11:06:30 36 7
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Unless its reciprocal why do it? and why announce this now before January?
Do the Tories actually know how to negotiate.
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Their negotiating strategy is to drop their pants, see if they like it and then say; if you want more, you're going to have to pay for it... a bit like British women, if you know what I mean... Removed
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09/12/2020 11:06:17 3 4
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I agree not a great time to have this announcement, that said, it illustrates how the UK will be able to be competitive across the pond on leaving the EU. Maybe it's a strategy of showing the EU of what is achievable once we leave the "Club"
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09/12/2020 11:13:31 2 0
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Can I sell you a second hand boat? 1 careful owner. Only a few small holes in it.
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09/12/2020 11:11:38 31 6
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Great to be back in control. Now we can blame no one but ourselves for the empty shelves and inflated prices. Now we can look on in pride as the PM scurries across the channel to lie prostate at the door of the EU. Now we can be thankful that we have the chance to genuflect for the American importers.

But....Liz Truss? LOL .... to paraphrase some American nutter....THE BEST IS YET TO COME
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09/12/2020 11:13:31 23 13
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Here we come, NHS to become controlled by the USA, chlorinated chicken...
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09/12/2020 16:17:05 1 1
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Can't wait. Chlorinated chicken sounds tasty to me. And don't get me started on our "envy of the world" NHS.
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09/12/2020 11:06:30 36 7
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Unless its reciprocal why do it? and why announce this now before January?
Do the Tories actually know how to negotiate.
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09/12/2020 11:13:41 1 2
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Do you think talks about talks with the USA aren't taking place ?
As we are out of the EU completely on Jan 1st then expect more removal of EU implemented actions that don't suit the UK.
This is another Brexit bonus.
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09/12/2020 11:05:41 3 2
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We have a slightly better chance of a beneficial deal with Biden than Trump, that is for sure, but still massive question mark over whether it will be as equal partners. Seems unlikely.
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09/12/2020 11:13:50 1 0
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Seems? LOL
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09/12/2020 10:55:38 1 2
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Good news for the UK. Nice to hear.
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09/12/2020 11:14:09 2 0
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So you want the Airbus workers to lose their jobs?
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09/12/2020 11:14:21 1 4
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Shock Horror!.

We left the EU which means EU's trade deals are no longer binding on us. Duh.
Tariffs on aircraft?
Who is buying new aircraft anytime in the near future?
Gesture politics. Nothing to do with trade.
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09/12/2020 12:33:43 0 0
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For order figures 2015-2019: 831, 1229, 949, 1190, 1131. Even this year Airbus has taken so far 300 orders. The backlog of orders stands at 7,500 planes representing more than 10 years of production. The wings are made in Broughton, with Rolls Royce engines, landing gear part made in Gloucestershire, roughly about 100,000 people in the UK are directly involved in making parts for Airbus aircraft.
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09/12/2020 11:05:11 0 5
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Is Airbus still making planes ?
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09/12/2020 11:14:38 1 0
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Airbus is the largest commercial aerospace company in the UK, as well as its biggest civil aerospace exporter