Human-made objects to outweigh living things
09/12/2020 | news | science | 771
The mass of human-made objects will for the first time likely exceed that of living things in 2020.
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09/12/2020 17:13:16 3 3
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So we should give up on dieting?
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10/12/2020 08:28:52 2 0
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No! humans should refrain from procreating and reduce their overpopulation of Planet Earth.
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09/12/2020 17:13:17 9 9
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Must've been that poo this morning that tipped it over the edge
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09/12/2020 17:24:15 9 1
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Poo is actually considered to be biomass, so unless you have a VERY disturbing digestive system, you have the wrong end of the stick :-)
Bunters turd Removed
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09/12/2020 17:14:49 77 10
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Absolute madness, "Since the first agricultural revolution, humans have halved plant biomass", this crap is unbelievable .

Plants are the basis of life on this planet, if they die, we die.

Human civilisation + human population growth = Insanity.
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09/12/2020 17:19:11 14 71
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and you will be first to jump the queue for a vaccine.

your'e just a hyprocritic vrtue signaller.
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09/12/2020 17:47:12 2 14
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 18:38:51 0 2
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You can just get veg from the shops. It’s a no brainier. Der
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09/12/2020 20:54:38 2 1
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If at the time of posting 52 ignorant people hadn't voted you up, I'd laugh, your facts so ridiculously at odds with reality.
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09/12/2020 17:15:39 5 5
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Mass cannot be created or destroyed...
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09/12/2020 17:19:20 10 1
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True, it can be transformed though. Chop down a tree to burn the wood as fuel, no more tree.
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09/12/2020 17:22:12 1 1
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Ouside nuclear fission or fusion etc
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09/12/2020 17:18:29 0 1
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That's energy. And weight is different to mass.
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09/12/2020 17:38:54 1 1
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E=mc2
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09/12/2020 17:15:41 5 6
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The lockdown baby boom will soon address the balance.
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09/12/2020 17:15:57 32 7
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And human over domination and uncontrolled development is a thing to be proud of is it??
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09/12/2020 18:09:17 4 30
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yes
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09/12/2020 23:13:31 0 0
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Time will tell if we are dominant.
Doesn’t feel like we are much in control of the environment.
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09/12/2020 17:16:26 4 6
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We have not made them, we have changed them. That is same as ants and termites or any other animal that alters what is there.
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09/12/2020 17:21:14 8 1
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But our products in many cases takes hundreds or thousands of years to be broken down by natural processes. Those of ants or termites will be broken down in a few years.
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09/12/2020 17:22:22 5 1
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I disagree. Most metals, concrete, bricks, glass, polymers made from fossil fuels, etc. do NOT occur naturally, and neither do the items and structures we construct with them. Ants do rearrange naturally occurring materials (as we do with stones and timber for building) - they make new structures, but do not change the nature of the materials used
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09/12/2020 17:22:29 1 2
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The creations that ants and termites construct can be reversed..
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09/12/2020 17:16:28 11 10
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At least with Brexit our productivity will be less than it would have been - unfortunately that also means we'll be less able to invest in green technology, the environment and everything else that matters.
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09/12/2020 18:04:50 4 5
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Thank goodness we're not in the EU & as one of the richest countries having to contribute to the corrupt EU to bail them out knowing loads of the money will be pocketed
We can bail our selves out & share our vaccine with the world
Let the EU sort it's own economic mess
Can't imagine their productivity is going to be anything top shout home about either
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09/12/2020 17:16:51 4 14
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Would you prefer we still exisited in caves.
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09/12/2020 17:21:09 3 1
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Yes. I hate pre covid 'civilisation ', constantly chasing my behind...
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09/12/2020 17:28:52 3 1
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No, I would prefer a reasonable amount equilibrium with the natural world. Too many people, too much demand on resources on a finite planet. Nothing wrong with development as long as it doesn't damage the environment.
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09/12/2020 17:17:03 97 5
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Overpopulation and societies underpinned fundamentally be economies that work on the basis of wanton consumerism with no other considerations. That's how we've got to where we are and unless governments get braver at addressing this head on then we're going to make the existence of future generations pretty difficult and unpleasant.
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09/12/2020 17:46:34 13 75
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 17:57:11 1 2
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Exactly, Listen to the current Reith Lectures on Radio 4.
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09/12/2020 17:59:13 3 9
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Its in built to human biology and DNA though - without progression, creating new life and evolution, what is the point of life (from a biological perspective)? Would you want to live for 100 years with no kids and no material possessions? If so, become a monk! What we need to do is focus on net positive impact inventions and systems and accept we are wired to progress and consume
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09/12/2020 20:52:17 4 2
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Contrary to the likes of Greta, Extinction Rebellion and the Greens, we live in the best conditions that humanity has ever experienced, the environment is improving every decade and the 'population' explosion is effectively done, the only reason the population is heading upwards is not births, it is 'lack of deaths' and that won't continue for ever, old people do die, we all will.
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09/12/2020 17:17:52 30 4
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Well there's definitely a much lesser weight of police stations, and policemen in south east London since the 1950's.
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09/12/2020 17:18:12 190 15
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Increasing consumption, population and perpetual economic growth worldwide are all linked and fundamental to a system that will collapse if anyone of these stops increasing.

The whole system needs overhauling to stop what is effectively a damaging ponzi scheme, the system being unsustainable and the major driver to man-made environmental destruction.
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09/12/2020 17:46:12 47 155
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 17:55:20 11 18
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People point to over population as a cause for a lot of problems - unfortunately, the only real way to fix this is to either restrict a major human right to have kids or worse, to force people not to have any kids... So might as well park this issue, and think of other solutions!
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09/12/2020 18:01:35 7 13
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Population numbers are decreasing - in some countries at an alarming rate.
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09/12/2020 19:26:49 2 0
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I agree. We all need to realise that capitalism has had it’s day and then think about how we should change it, but quickly!
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09/12/2020 19:42:50 0 1
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Indeed. No surprise, given the massive destruction of trees and forests - millions of hectares cut down every year by crazy humans. 1950s is also decade when great acceleration of rampant human sex and promiscuity began leading to over population of the planet.
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10/12/2020 07:36:06 0 0
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.2 facts about man made global warming. There is an inverse correlation between the decrease in forest and trees and the increase in the amount of CO2. There is a direct correlation between increase in human population number and increase in CO2. Solution = mass sterilization and refrain from procreating, especially in developing world Asia, Africa and South America.
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10/12/2020 10:22:14 0 0
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I think you need help clearly.
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10/12/2020 15:51:36 0 0
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Indeed. 2 facts about man made global warming. There is an inverse correlation between the decrease in forest and trees and the increase in the amount of CO2. There is a direct correlation between increase in human population number and increase in CO2. Possible solution = voluntary sterilization and refrain from procreating in countries with an increase in their population.
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10/12/2020 16:22:08 0 0
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A possible solution is voluntary sterilization and refrain from procreating in countries with a rapid increase in their population.
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10/12/2020 16:53:52 0 0
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.Some Developing World Countries have a problem with accelerating population growth and aid charities have long campaigned for many years for effective birth control measures and use of voluntary sterilisation programmes - such as the snip.
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09/12/2020 17:14:49 77 10
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Absolute madness, "Since the first agricultural revolution, humans have halved plant biomass", this crap is unbelievable .

Plants are the basis of life on this planet, if they die, we die.

Human civilisation + human population growth = Insanity.
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09/12/2020 17:19:11 14 71
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and you will be first to jump the queue for a vaccine.

your'e just a hyprocritic vrtue signaller.
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09/12/2020 17:21:44 8 2
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Username mad world says it all, really
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09/12/2020 17:22:24 8 3
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Who said anything about a vaccine Mr Assumptions? I am simply stating the truth.
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09/12/2020 17:49:27 5 2
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What has jumping the queue for a vaccine got to do with anything?

The poster has simply stated the facts.
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09/12/2020 17:15:39 5 5
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Mass cannot be created or destroyed...
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09/12/2020 17:19:20 10 1
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True, it can be transformed though. Chop down a tree to burn the wood as fuel, no more tree.
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09/12/2020 18:15:06 0 3
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no more tree....good means roots wont attack sewers,leaves wont fall off blocking drains,wont have birds and bugs pooing on your car, wont fall over and kill you,
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09/12/2020 19:04:22 0 0
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Not true. Never heard of nuclear energy generation?
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09/12/2020 17:19:48 43 4
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I'm in my 60s and in the course of my lifetime the acceleration has been remarkable. Building projects that were unimaginable when I was a child are now common place all over the world. It's amazing what we can now do, but also a little worrying as regards how powerful our technology has become
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09/12/2020 17:34:20 40 1
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I’m also in my sixties and what you say certainly rings true for me.
My idea of ‘chopping down the rain forest’ was just that chopping it down, but they don’t chop do they. Our machines cut the base of the trunk, pick the whole tree up as if it were nothing but a cocktail stick, turn it lengthways and strip it of branches and bark. Zip, zip, zip!
NEXT.
What’s will stop us, maybe an asteroid!
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09/12/2020 19:44:40 9 0
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The problem is, people from my generation and younger (I’m in my 30s) have grown up with modern luxuries and don’t know any different. Hopefully the pandemic has made us realise the things we take for granted and maybe we can cut back on so much consumption
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09/12/2020 21:01:59 6 0
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So am I. If we're being entirely fair it was our Generation that very much were the vanguard of this.

I recall in the UK in the early to late 60's how we indiscriminatly uprooted thousands of miles of hedgerows to embrace modern farming methods,acres of woodlands & greenspace to build new vogue housing, offices & factories, closed rail lines & city trams in favour of road building.
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09/12/2020 17:16:51 4 14
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Would you prefer we still exisited in caves.
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09/12/2020 17:21:09 3 1
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Yes. I hate pre covid 'civilisation ', constantly chasing my behind...
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09/12/2020 17:16:26 4 6
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We have not made them, we have changed them. That is same as ants and termites or any other animal that alters what is there.
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09/12/2020 17:21:14 8 1
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But our products in many cases takes hundreds or thousands of years to be broken down by natural processes. Those of ants or termites will be broken down in a few years.
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09/12/2020 17:21:39 36 4
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So humans have made so many things they outweigh living things. Could this be because we kill a lot of living things?
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09/12/2020 18:55:53 17 9
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Not only do we kill living things in the natural environment, but we breed more people to make the process even more efficient.

In some ways it is a shame that a Covid vaccine has been developed - it needs a few more pandemics to ensure the long term survival of humanity.
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09/12/2020 17:19:11 14 71
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and you will be first to jump the queue for a vaccine.

your'e just a hyprocritic vrtue signaller.
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09/12/2020 17:21:44 8 2
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Username mad world says it all, really
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09/12/2020 17:15:39 5 5
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Mass cannot be created or destroyed...
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09/12/2020 17:22:12 1 1
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Ouside nuclear fission or fusion etc
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09/12/2020 17:22:15 10 8
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Doesn't the earth always weigh the same no matter what humans do? Except for gaining an odd meteor or losing the odd space rocket.
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09/12/2020 17:24:03 29 3
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Missing the point, aren't we?? Its the proportion of our tat vs nature that is of concern..
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09/12/2020 18:08:56 1 1
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"Scientists estimate that about 48.5 tons (44,000 kilograms) of meteoritic material falls on Earth each day"
That's getting on for 18,000 tons.
Not a massive amount in the grand scheme of things, but still substantial.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/meteors-and-meteorites/in-depth/
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sp
09/12/2020 17:16:26 4 6
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We have not made them, we have changed them. That is same as ants and termites or any other animal that alters what is there.
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09/12/2020 17:22:22 5 1
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I disagree. Most metals, concrete, bricks, glass, polymers made from fossil fuels, etc. do NOT occur naturally, and neither do the items and structures we construct with them. Ants do rearrange naturally occurring materials (as we do with stones and timber for building) - they make new structures, but do not change the nature of the materials used
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09/12/2020 17:19:11 14 71
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and you will be first to jump the queue for a vaccine.

your'e just a hyprocritic vrtue signaller.
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09/12/2020 17:22:24 8 3
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Who said anything about a vaccine Mr Assumptions? I am simply stating the truth.
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sp
09/12/2020 17:16:26 4 6
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We have not made them, we have changed them. That is same as ants and termites or any other animal that alters what is there.
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09/12/2020 17:22:29 1 2
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The creations that ants and termites construct can be reversed..
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09/12/2020 17:22:15 10 8
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Doesn't the earth always weigh the same no matter what humans do? Except for gaining an odd meteor or losing the odd space rocket.
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09/12/2020 17:24:03 29 3
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Missing the point, aren't we?? Its the proportion of our tat vs nature that is of concern..
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09/12/2020 17:24:05 178 43
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No scientist or politician EVER wants to mention the P word - population. Climate change, how much stuff there is, etc. We need fewer people on this planet. People having more than two children are just selfish - and it's about time this was underscored rather than ignored.
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09/12/2020 17:29:08 101 10
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Absolutely spot on, also why so many buildings? They bang on about a housing shortage in this country?! No there's not, too many people own more than one house, & there's plenty empty shops & derelict buildings too.
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09/12/2020 17:38:07 18 3
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And yet in another article on this site, it clearly states the richest 1% of the world emit twice as much carbon as the poorest 50%. So is it population or behaviours?
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09/12/2020 17:46:50 6 9
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 17:55:40 6 3
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How do you suggest population is controlled? You cannot alter cultures in Africa, the Middle East or the Far East within a time frame that would make a difference!
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09/12/2020 18:16:23 8 3
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I have to agree. If we fail to tackle population growth, then our days are numbered i'm afraid. It is already 5 to midnight !!
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09/12/2020 18:23:46 4 1
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Taking our current situation as a lead, it will take disruption on a massive scale to make governments act. This frog in a slowly heating up pan of water does not convey enough urgency for people and government to act. Until its unavoidable it will be avoided.
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09/12/2020 18:25:17 2 3
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Covid ????
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09/12/2020 18:26:38 2 5
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You can’t sustain a population like that. Not all couples can reproduce so your suggestion of a maximum of two per couple guarantees a declining population for as long as your rule stays in place.
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09/12/2020 18:29:00 8 4
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Before you blame the end of the world on families with more than two children you should ask why they have so many,
It is easy to blame Catholic based societys but more often it is because children are breadwinners in many 3rd world countrys and because the health systems are non existant they die and need replacing.
The answer to that and almost every other problem is education for all children
Removed
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09/12/2020 19:22:54 1 1
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No its the behaviour of the population that is the problem, we all have too much stuff and waste resources
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09/12/2020 20:33:31 1 4
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If every couple had two children (let's pretend every couple can have two children) then the population will shrink, you will not have the government tax pot to give you money after retirement. Modern society collapses with nothing better to replace it.

It seems that you plucked an idea out of thin air and presented it as fact. Much like conspiracy theorists have done all year.
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09/12/2020 20:36:16 0 1
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The west would already be experiencing a population decline if there was no external source of population. Asia is also making this transition with countries like Japan experiencing a major population decline nowadays and in the decades to come. The major problem of the future will be worker shortages if robotics does not almost completely replace the workforce. Pensions will be uncommon by 2100.
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09/12/2020 20:42:42 0 4
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You'll get less people if you only have 2 children per family, the population will die off, and it doesn't take a mathematical genius to figure that out. You aren't the sole arbiter of anyone else's right to life or a family, or even the size of it.
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09/12/2020 21:44:12 0 0
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Population is solved. Now, can we talk about consumption?
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09/12/2020 21:44:45 0 0
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The only problem is that for the planet to sustain its population each family needs to produce 2.2 children. Only having two means their will be a population fall. Having more than two gives population growth. Can you explain if a woman has one child then produces twins is she been selfish?
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09/12/2020 17:13:17 9 9
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Must've been that poo this morning that tipped it over the edge
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09/12/2020 17:24:15 9 1
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Poo is actually considered to be biomass, so unless you have a VERY disturbing digestive system, you have the wrong end of the stick :-)
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09/12/2020 17:28:36 2 2
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Would that be a Poo(h) Stick?
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09/12/2020 17:24:29 8 13
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Yet another scare story. They don't explain why this is a problem.
All man made things will return to the environment in the long term.

In the meantime, if people don't litter, use things as often as possible, and we recycle properly, it'll just be a short term problem. These are the messages that the BBC and other media should be putting out, not scare stories with no basis.
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09/12/2020 17:33:56 4 1
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While the world’s population keeps growing, the mass of human stuff keeps growing. If we wipe ourselves at some point, it might not take too long for nature to take back over. - downside we’ll have wiped ourselves out.
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09/12/2020 17:37:57 2 1
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Sure all man-made things will return but not before some of those man-made things have done untold harm. By your logic Chernobyl was OK?

And why is this a 'scare story'? It looks to me as if it's just reporting facts.

Now I agree with you that it would be better if people made less of an impact. But surely you are contradicting yourself? If there is nothing to be scared of, why bother?
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09/12/2020 17:26:20 120 18
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This should be front page news not the brexit bulshit,or covid .We need to seriously control the population, or world will make its own correction, and this time there will no vaccine to dig out.
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09/12/2020 17:46:28 19 40
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Volunteering?
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09/12/2020 17:51:19 4 9
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Do you suggest we just kill a few billion people?

No, we need to change the way we live, something in our control, but it's hard to do so no one wants to talk about it.

Overpopulation will not be a problem in the future because as individuals get richer, they have less kids. The global population will top off at 9 billion, which models suggest we can manage.
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09/12/2020 19:27:21 6 1
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Covid was the start of the correction. We will ultimately control our own numbers, not by war as was once assumed, but by the diseases we create. Shame we couldn't find a better way to control ourselves.
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09/12/2020 20:51:41 4 11
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Rubbish, Greta and the Green armageddon cult, like the Covid Cult eschew science and live on myths.
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09/12/2020 17:27:08 5 8
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it doesn't help with all the BS coming from number 10 , that's got to weigh a fair bit.
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09/12/2020 17:28:26 2 4
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Good
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09/12/2020 17:24:15 9 1
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Poo is actually considered to be biomass, so unless you have a VERY disturbing digestive system, you have the wrong end of the stick :-)
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09/12/2020 17:28:36 2 2
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Would that be a Poo(h) Stick?
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09/12/2020 17:16:51 4 14
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Would you prefer we still exisited in caves.
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09/12/2020 17:28:52 3 1
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No, I would prefer a reasonable amount equilibrium with the natural world. Too many people, too much demand on resources on a finite planet. Nothing wrong with development as long as it doesn't damage the environment.
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09/12/2020 17:24:05 178 43
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No scientist or politician EVER wants to mention the P word - population. Climate change, how much stuff there is, etc. We need fewer people on this planet. People having more than two children are just selfish - and it's about time this was underscored rather than ignored.
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09/12/2020 17:29:08 101 10
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Absolutely spot on, also why so many buildings? They bang on about a housing shortage in this country?! No there's not, too many people own more than one house, & there's plenty empty shops & derelict buildings too.
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09/12/2020 17:44:37 5 6
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https://bit.ly/2JFzNrz

A link to some science on population growth. There is absolutely tons of population science online. So, why (JB) say something that is patently untrue and then why (Pembo) agree?

Why do people own more than one house? Because it's a safe place to store excess capital and it gives the owner more space which is a luxury. Is it wrong? I think so it destroys communities.

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09/12/2020 20:39:38 1 0
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Theres a lot of extraneous buildings. With new technology & home working options many companies don't really need mega head office buildings in City Centres. Its often far more about status than practicability.
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09/12/2020 22:54:59 0 2
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Give up your house in a leafy suburb to someone from a free school meal working class background, who hasn't got bank of mummy and daddy money to help them get a house within 50 miles of their work place.

Then you go and live in a flat above a kebab shop in a dead end town with £100 left p/m after paying rent alone.

Come back and tell me there isn't a housing crisis after a year of doing that.
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jgr
09/12/2020 17:29:17 18 7
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What a load !!!
One day the sun will expand and everything will be back to how it was during the big bang! Then it will all start again, somewhere!!
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09/12/2020 20:46:42 5 2
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Let's hope that evolution does a better job next time.
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09/12/2020 17:29:39 78 11
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Is it not about time the subject of population growth was actually taken seriously instead of being mentioned on the periphery when the subject of global warming is discussed?
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09/12/2020 17:59:53 17 50
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Should we just kill a few billion? No, we need to change the way we live, something in our control, but it's hard to do so no one wants to talk about it.

Overpopulation won't be a problem in the future because as individuals get richer, they have less kids. The global population will top off at 9 billion, which models suggest we can manage. But it will be an old population - that's the real worry
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09/12/2020 18:09:58 1 8
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Oddly there is still plenty of space on the surface of the earth...
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09/12/2020 21:15:20 1 1
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Kill yourself then!
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09/12/2020 22:04:46 2 0
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1% of the population emit 50% of emissions. What part of this don't you understand?

Nothing to do with population, completely separate discussion.
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09/12/2020 23:28:12 0 1
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Horrible and unmentionable as it may be, the next world war will may kill billions because it might involve ethnic and racial genocide on a scale far far greater than in WWII.
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09/12/2020 17:29:51 17 2
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Back when the most advanced life was algae, surely the weight of all the stromatolite they produced was more than their own weight?
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09/12/2020 17:30:12 2 3
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Greed
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09/12/2020 17:30:54 14 15
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BBC's self-loathing of human beings to outweigh all efforts to save the planet.
There. Fixed it for you.
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09/12/2020 18:08:19 1 1
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The irony of telling someone through technology that technology is bad is probably worth it...
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09/12/2020 17:15:39 5 5
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Mass cannot be created or destroyed...
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09/12/2020 17:18:29 0 1
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That's energy. And weight is different to mass.
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09/12/2020 17:24:29 8 13
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Yet another scare story. They don't explain why this is a problem.
All man made things will return to the environment in the long term.

In the meantime, if people don't litter, use things as often as possible, and we recycle properly, it'll just be a short term problem. These are the messages that the BBC and other media should be putting out, not scare stories with no basis.
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09/12/2020 17:33:56 4 1
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While the world’s population keeps growing, the mass of human stuff keeps growing. If we wipe ourselves at some point, it might not take too long for nature to take back over. - downside we’ll have wiped ourselves out.
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09/12/2020 17:33:57 16 12
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Absolutely pointless comparison. And the numbers are probably way out anyway.
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09/12/2020 17:19:48 43 4
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I'm in my 60s and in the course of my lifetime the acceleration has been remarkable. Building projects that were unimaginable when I was a child are now common place all over the world. It's amazing what we can now do, but also a little worrying as regards how powerful our technology has become
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09/12/2020 17:34:20 40 1
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I’m also in my sixties and what you say certainly rings true for me.
My idea of ‘chopping down the rain forest’ was just that chopping it down, but they don’t chop do they. Our machines cut the base of the trunk, pick the whole tree up as if it were nothing but a cocktail stick, turn it lengthways and strip it of branches and bark. Zip, zip, zip!
NEXT.
What’s will stop us, maybe an asteroid!
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09/12/2020 17:35:13 23 12
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It was inevitable, but I feel the beeb are getting over moist delivering the fact.
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09/12/2020 21:11:47 6 0
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As much as it is inevitable in your mind, it was certainly a milestone of a fundamental nature that many more never realised, so I for one consider the moist comment was just a tad unfair.
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09/12/2020 17:35:49 15 16
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Clickbait paid for by a mandatory, outdated telly tax.
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09/12/2020 18:07:23 1 4
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You dont expect them to say something relevent or useful do you? That just results in people getting on with life rather than panicing about how heavy somethign that doesnt matter either is or isnt...
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09/12/2020 18:51:55 0 0
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It's not mandatory. You consume live TB, you pay; if not, you don't. It's a bit like paying the bread tax when you buy a loaf.
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09/12/2020 17:37:10 0 1
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Woooh man
,thats some heavy s#&t.
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09/12/2020 17:24:29 8 13
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Yet another scare story. They don't explain why this is a problem.
All man made things will return to the environment in the long term.

In the meantime, if people don't litter, use things as often as possible, and we recycle properly, it'll just be a short term problem. These are the messages that the BBC and other media should be putting out, not scare stories with no basis.
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09/12/2020 17:37:57 2 1
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Sure all man-made things will return but not before some of those man-made things have done untold harm. By your logic Chernobyl was OK?

And why is this a 'scare story'? It looks to me as if it's just reporting facts.

Now I agree with you that it would be better if people made less of an impact. But surely you are contradicting yourself? If there is nothing to be scared of, why bother?
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09/12/2020 17:45:37 1 1
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Theres nothing to be scared of if we do the right things wrt recycling and reuse from now going forward.
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09/12/2020 17:24:05 178 43
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No scientist or politician EVER wants to mention the P word - population. Climate change, how much stuff there is, etc. We need fewer people on this planet. People having more than two children are just selfish - and it's about time this was underscored rather than ignored.
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09/12/2020 17:38:07 18 3
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And yet in another article on this site, it clearly states the richest 1% of the world emit twice as much carbon as the poorest 50%. So is it population or behaviours?
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09/12/2020 22:02:14 0 0
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These people don't really deal in facts, you're wasting your time. Bit like the coronavirus deniers.
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09/12/2020 17:15:39 5 5
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Mass cannot be created or destroyed...
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09/12/2020 17:38:54 1 1
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E=mc2
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09/12/2020 17:39:32 6 7
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Don’t blame the people, blame big greedy corporations and governments!!
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09/12/2020 17:47:42 5 3
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No blame the greedy people. Corporations and governments are composed of people and respond to the wishes of people.
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09/12/2020 17:40:27 7 7
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Given that everything that makes up the built environment came out of the ground in the first place then we haven't added any weight, have we. It's just in a different place - it was always there..........
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09/12/2020 18:05:36 0 2
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We have probably reduced the weight, all the rearranging costs energy, gases are released, some escape the atmosphere (and in a nuclear plant mass is actaully turned into energy, just not much...).
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09/12/2020 17:41:12 5 9
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And this is the real reason you get floods, earthquakes, epidemics, poor Mother Nature is trying to fight back to save our planet from greedy, selfish over-populating, polluting humans. I wish her luck, she's having an uphill struggle. The sensible and caring among us should do all we can to help Her.
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09/12/2020 17:45:59 3 7
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There is no such thing as mother nature, a concept invented by a small group oif humans to control all other humans. Epidemics are created naturally. very few earthquakes happened since humans existed. Biggest floods occurred before humans. If you believe in mother nature, you are stupid and ignorant
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09/12/2020 18:12:06 0 1
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These two comments below need to watch final fantasy... and be less narrow minded
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09/12/2020 17:42:03 3 5
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One of those pointless 'News' reports, put in by and editor desperate to fill a space on the page. Don't like it, then cut the human population by about three quarters, solving pollution, the human induced part of climate change, mass extinction etc at a stroke. Who wants to be culled first?
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09/12/2020 17:48:28 1 1
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Go get your vaccines!!!!!
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09/12/2020 17:54:22 0 1
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No need to cull humans
Just move to a technologically advanced system where machines do much of what humans do & populations will naturally decline
After all, how stupid is it to build an economy on 'services'?
Just creating nothing jobs for people which machines could do a lot of because humans consume & people make money
Infinite growth doesn't exist, there's got to be a better way
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09/12/2020 17:55:07 1 1
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As a single guy with no friends or family to miss me, I'm a prime candidate for culling. On the other hand, having no kids means I haven't contributed to the problem as much as those people who pop out a new kid every year, so perhaps I "deserve" to stick around for a while, and we should cull the largest families first.
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09/12/2020 18:03:05 0 1
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How about the editor desperate to fill space?
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09/12/2020 17:42:20 0 3
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Hopefully it stays like that as the population should be shrinking rather than devouring the planet and the eco system.
Ooops we need to keep advancing economically adn have more workers and a bigger economy surely!
I guess we know who voted for continued economic growth, an dincrease in population along with unfetered travel, rather than caring about the country's endless need for houses etc.
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09/12/2020 17:42:29 3 3
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I have to say it just boggles my wee brain how they even manage to calculate that, impressive stuff...now what do we do?
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09/12/2020 17:54:06 2 3
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They haven't calculated anything, it's an approximation skewed by bias.
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09/12/2020 18:01:25 0 1
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We dont care, so we do nothing. It is a pointless stastistic, there are 17 times more insects by weight than humans on the earth... who cares?
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09/12/2020 17:42:47 0 6
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Try telling a commercial company that next year it has to make less stuff than it did last year. If you can work out a way to do this then you have solved the climate crisis. No amount of new technology, photovoltaic cells, windmiills, electric cars, solar panels, bikes will ever succeed. Look at the record. Green products have been around for 20 years but year on year CO2 goes up exponentially.
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09/12/2020 17:58:43 0 1
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Country A uses less fossil fuels, prices drop, country B uses more - this is about the overall system not what one country does. When they run out we will see a delta, actualy we should use more so they run out sooner...
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09/12/2020 17:43:10 13 6
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Pretty Disgusting.
Something to take note of.
Something we should all worry about and do something about.
Certainly nothing to be proud of.
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09/12/2020 17:57:38 0 6
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So you are saying we should not exist?
Why do we keep baling out the Third World, all they do is breed - starve - breed some more, have a war and repeat but their populations still grow inexorably. Removed
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09/12/2020 17:46:45 2 4
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and make our clothes etc in between breeding?
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09/12/2020 17:47:34 0 3
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I hope the ill judged disgraceful comment gets deleted.
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09/12/2020 17:50:48 1 2
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The third world is where you steal the initial resources for your comfy lifestyle. Therefore, its actually them bailing you out.
Maybe we should just carpet bomb all of Africa. Would that make you Removed
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09/12/2020 17:29:08 101 10
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Absolutely spot on, also why so many buildings? They bang on about a housing shortage in this country?! No there's not, too many people own more than one house, & there's plenty empty shops & derelict buildings too.
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09/12/2020 17:44:37 5 6
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https://bit.ly/2JFzNrz

A link to some science on population growth. There is absolutely tons of population science online. So, why (JB) say something that is patently untrue and then why (Pembo) agree?

Why do people own more than one house? Because it's a safe place to store excess capital and it gives the owner more space which is a luxury. Is it wrong? I think so it destroys communities.

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09/12/2020 17:37:57 2 1
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Sure all man-made things will return but not before some of those man-made things have done untold harm. By your logic Chernobyl was OK?

And why is this a 'scare story'? It looks to me as if it's just reporting facts.

Now I agree with you that it would be better if people made less of an impact. But surely you are contradicting yourself? If there is nothing to be scared of, why bother?
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09/12/2020 17:45:37 1 1
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Theres nothing to be scared of if we do the right things wrt recycling and reuse from now going forward.
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09/12/2020 17:45:43 6 8
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About as useless as sayings there's 200-300 millions times more insects on the planet compared to humans .
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09/12/2020 17:48:44 6 2
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Did you miss the bit about biomass being halved ?
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09/12/2020 17:57:00 0 1
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You sir are totally right, pointless statistic, the earth is mostly rock and from a top level view we are just a small rather insignifcant blemish. Infact if we raise the temperature enough to cause serious problems (sea surface rises etc) the earth is still essentially the same as it was before - a few kelvin out of 300 diferent, in the noise.
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09/12/2020 17:41:12 5 9
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And this is the real reason you get floods, earthquakes, epidemics, poor Mother Nature is trying to fight back to save our planet from greedy, selfish over-populating, polluting humans. I wish her luck, she's having an uphill struggle. The sensible and caring among us should do all we can to help Her.
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09/12/2020 17:45:59 3 7
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There is no such thing as mother nature, a concept invented by a small group oif humans to control all other humans. Epidemics are created naturally. very few earthquakes happened since humans existed. Biggest floods occurred before humans. If you believe in mother nature, you are stupid and ignorant
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09/12/2020 18:04:06 0 1
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It is funny to blame humans for earthquakes, I mean tectonic plate movement has been arround for a reasonable time...
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09/12/2020 17:18:12 190 15
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Increasing consumption, population and perpetual economic growth worldwide are all linked and fundamental to a system that will collapse if anyone of these stops increasing.

The whole system needs overhauling to stop what is effectively a damaging ponzi scheme, the system being unsustainable and the major driver to man-made environmental destruction.
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09/12/2020 17:46:12 47 155
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 17:55:15 9 10
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Its a trade off between population and standard of living. High global population = low standard of living, and vice versa.
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09/12/2020 17:58:22 8 15
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Retirement is a recent Western concept.
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09/12/2020 18:00:36 30 4
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"global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable"
Best case scenario, others have it up to 12Bn
That's in the next 80yrs
Look at the mess of this world with 7.7Bn increasing for at least the next 80yrs & you think that's manageable?
We'd need to live like Kalahari bushmen to be sustainable
You think they'll be much left of the natural resources, never mind natural world?
?????
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09/12/2020 18:03:19 15 7
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The reason the global population will level off is mostly because as people get richer (not rich per se), they have less kids.
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09/12/2020 18:01:57 8 5
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I do not think that you respect the elderly at all. You will be old as well in few years time.
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09/12/2020 18:13:49 2 4
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I remember this conversation many years ago in school, at some point it will collapse
The more population needed to generate wealth to sustain the elderly population, the deeper that little cycle grows, forcing a much worse scenario on generations further down the line
Whereas redistribution of wealth..?
But you don’t want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 19:08:45 1 0
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Thing is, you also have to consider substantial future automation!! That likely being the case, ..then having a smaller number of better educated kids might be crucial to them getting meaningful jobs in the first place.
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09/12/2020 19:02:53 1 0
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in terms of "growth" being sustainable, you are right, but 1 to 7 billion in a couple of hundred years is hardly balanced or sustainable is it really.
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09/12/2020 19:32:06 1 0
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No I do want to hear this and I'm very open to it. Please keep saying this.
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09/12/2020 20:00:12 3 0
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BWhit480 and johnt:

You are both right. But one of you approaches it from an economist's point of view and the other a physical and humanist view.

At the end of the day, the economics of a human-race ponzi scheme is man-made and can be resolved. The finite resources of our planet can't.

Fast forward tens of thousands of years- are we still espousing ponzi economics or species survival ?
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09/12/2020 20:00:27 0 0
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"The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry."

So we operate upon the post-millennials to remove their free will to ensure that they don't have a choice, work them into the ground to support the population bulge oversight to its natural end, and to then dispose of themselves once they've raised a *small* post-post-millennial generation to adulthood.
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09/12/2020 20:38:17 1 1
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How convenient we have this new virus that disproportionately kills people only when they get old.
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09/12/2020 20:39:08 1 0
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"making changes to our daily lives"
That is the nub of the issue. If there were 3 Billion of us living as we do, then it might work, but 9 billion of us - no way. So it IS about overpopulation really.... but you are right in that given how things are, BIG bad changes are needed. Problem is, who is going to vote for anyone proposing to non-optionally impose those changes? Game over.
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09/12/2020 21:11:03 1 0
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Overpopulation is a problem and a sudden decline in population is also a problem for different reasons: it isn't a case of black and white. Some populations are declining rapidly for good reasons and propping them up with immigration only postpones the problem and may well worsten it in the long-run.
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09/12/2020 21:53:17 2 2
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Falling population isn't a problem. It'll free up space, housing and keep human capital in demand, raising wages. It'll increase productivity so more robots and less menial work. Also older people don't, on the whole, need as much looking after, technology is making them more self sufficient... they just need to make sure they're spending their savings and releasing assets, not taxing the young.
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09/12/2020 22:42:26 1 0
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"Soon there will be no retiring."

Try getting a new job when you are over 50 and don't have a super-duper CV.

You could not be more wrong.
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10/12/2020 00:06:46 0 0
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Actually according to the united nations projections,population will hit 10 billion world wide in 2057,it is correct to say the %age of growth is slowing down,2010 it was 1.24% 2020 will be 1.05% even with a larger pop than 2010,the full increase in 2020 will be 1.5 million less than 2010.Different countries also have diff growths,africa is thought to keep growing while japans pop could well half.
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09/12/2020 17:46:23 8 6
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Thousands of comments on an economic divorce. Less than 50 so far on the disaster that is accelerating downhill towards apocalypse.

We will survive Brexit, chances are rapidly diminishing we will survive as a species much longer.
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09/12/2020 17:54:29 2 6
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apocalypse is an overstatement, even if all the ice melts and all the fish die you can still lilve on about 20% of the earths surface and eat nuts - sounds dull but its not the end of the human race.
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09/12/2020 17:26:20 120 18
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This should be front page news not the brexit bulshit,or covid .We need to seriously control the population, or world will make its own correction, and this time there will no vaccine to dig out.
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09/12/2020 17:46:28 19 40
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Volunteering?
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09/12/2020 17:17:03 97 5
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Overpopulation and societies underpinned fundamentally be economies that work on the basis of wanton consumerism with no other considerations. That's how we've got to where we are and unless governments get braver at addressing this head on then we're going to make the existence of future generations pretty difficult and unpleasant.
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09/12/2020 17:46:34 13 75
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 18:11:32 15 2
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Are you a Repeatbot
Why do we keep baling out the Third World, all they do is breed - starve - breed some more, have a war and repeat but their populations still grow inexorably. Removed
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09/12/2020 17:46:45 2 4
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and make our clothes etc in between breeding?
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09/12/2020 17:24:05 178 43
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No scientist or politician EVER wants to mention the P word - population. Climate change, how much stuff there is, etc. We need fewer people on this planet. People having more than two children are just selfish - and it's about time this was underscored rather than ignored.
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09/12/2020 17:46:50 6 9
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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10/12/2020 13:42:30 0 0
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Why will it level off at 9 BN? Is that because above that life is unsustainable and people will die of starvation? They will die of cold with the lack of heating provided without fossile fuel. After all ,fosil fuel hs actually has driven the enormus increase in populations since 1800.
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09/12/2020 17:47:07 15 8
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We are doomed.
Humans underwent evolution,
but now mainly cause pollution.
Earth will be better without us.
We live on this beautiful blue and green planet,
but human nature works against mother nature.
We should start giving their world back to other living beings,
and learn to give and share,
not grab and consume.

Human greed is the deadliest sin.
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09/12/2020 17:51:57 7 11
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You think animals in nature are not greedy? You think predator and prey live in harmony? Maybe you should consider what being eaten alive is like? Of course in your world everything is lovely and it is not every animal for themselves, like it is in the actual real natural world.
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09/12/2020 18:32:12 1 7
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What a nihilistic world view, that we could all contribute by killing ourselves and not having children. I am just glad I don't share your view, I actually like people.
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09/12/2020 23:58:33 0 0
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This universe seems pretty pointless if it's not to be observed and marvelled at by intelligent beings such as ourselves.

I'm sorry you hate your species, but without us, everything would be meaningless. It would all be for nothing. No other lifeform is enjoying what has been provided, it simply exists.
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09/12/2020 17:14:49 77 10
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Absolute madness, "Since the first agricultural revolution, humans have halved plant biomass", this crap is unbelievable .

Plants are the basis of life on this planet, if they die, we die.

Human civilisation + human population growth = Insanity.
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09/12/2020 17:47:12 2 14
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
Why do we keep baling out the Third World, all they do is breed - starve - breed some more, have a war and repeat but their populations still grow inexorably. Removed
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09/12/2020 17:47:34 0 3
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I hope the ill judged disgraceful comment gets deleted.
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09/12/2020 17:39:32 6 7
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Don’t blame the people, blame big greedy corporations and governments!!
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09/12/2020 17:47:42 5 3
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No blame the greedy people. Corporations and governments are composed of people and respond to the wishes of people.
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09/12/2020 18:06:25 0 2
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You have a point, so many people dont get that the Gov are only doing what most people want.
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10/12/2020 09:37:20 1 0
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Well I don’t know anyone that supports government legislation to go into other counties pillage and strip them off their assets, under the guise of humanitarian
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09/12/2020 17:42:03 3 5
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One of those pointless 'News' reports, put in by and editor desperate to fill a space on the page. Don't like it, then cut the human population by about three quarters, solving pollution, the human induced part of climate change, mass extinction etc at a stroke. Who wants to be culled first?
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09/12/2020 17:48:28 1 1
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Go get your vaccines!!!!!
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09/12/2020 17:45:43 6 8
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About as useless as sayings there's 200-300 millions times more insects on the planet compared to humans .
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09/12/2020 17:48:44 6 2
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Did you miss the bit about biomass being halved ?
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09/12/2020 17:48:51 41 4
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I ask my friends, all reasonable people with families and mortgages, as we talked about stock market growth - would they prefer to buy Amazon shares or pay to preserve the Amazon.

We are a bunch of short sighted primates.
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09/12/2020 19:29:35 3 8
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Lose your friends, they sound awful
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09/12/2020 19:53:38 1 1
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If they have "families", are they reasonable? Do they just have the one child to help overpopulation? If not, they are not reasonable, they are selfish, like everyone else.
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09/12/2020 21:17:53 2 3
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Yet we produced the most hospitable environment this planet has witnessed in man's history & we have the ability to identify and solve problems threatening it, the only issue we have is with ignorance and the sad fact is the ignorant form political movements that hijack Governments etc. Greta should spend more time in school being educated and maybe she'd stop wandering the planet talking tripe
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09/12/2020 17:19:11 14 71
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and you will be first to jump the queue for a vaccine.

your'e just a hyprocritic vrtue signaller.
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09/12/2020 17:49:27 5 2
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What has jumping the queue for a vaccine got to do with anything?

The poster has simply stated the facts.
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09/12/2020 17:49:55 58 9
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We haven't added any weight to the planet, we've just moved stuff around a bit.
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09/12/2020 18:20:50 4 4
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I will believe you if you show mw your weighing scales
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09/12/2020 18:43:08 1 5
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Did you even read the article? The earth is getting heavier.
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09/12/2020 20:33:11 2 0
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True, calculations are that apparently Planet Earth actually loses more mass (Hydrogen & Helium from upper atmosphere) than it gains it meteoric material arriving in the form of space debris.
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09/12/2020 21:38:42 3 0
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The weight doesn't particularly matter. The composition, and hence it's toxicity does. Millions of tons of microjunk in the sea, soil and air is not doing us any good.
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09/12/2020 17:50:05 36 5
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What do we expect
Our world, lives are 'shallow', we're encouraged to have this & that whether it's needed or not
We're dazzled by 'stuff', not moved on from the islanders dazzled with glass beads
We're never happy, never satiated, always the demand for more, a world full of envy & greed far more in tune with the 7 deadly sins than 7 virtues
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09/12/2020 21:21:55 4 2
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So God is going to punish us with Covid? Note the Davos crowd are all meeting up in Singapore next year, if this was the new black-death do you think the great and good would jet into Singapore from across the globe for a knees up?
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09/12/2020 22:35:35 0 0
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Speak for yourself. Not everyone behaves in the way you imply. The fault lies with the system - not long ago the government was actively encouraging us to spend, regardless of whether we actually needed the things we were to buy. If you have no need for it, don't buy it. You would be surprised how quickly you build up a nest-egg.
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10/12/2020 08:42:16 0 0
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Keeping people unsatisfied, and always wanting more, is fundamental to most modern commerce. For example, showing off new clothes is a status symbol, so fashions change rapidly, to make people want to buy more clothes. Models of cars, mobile phones, and other visible property also change at as fast a rate as manufacturers can manage, to keep driving "growth".
Why do we keep baling out the Third World, all they do is breed - starve - breed some more, have a war and repeat but their populations still grow inexorably. Removed
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09/12/2020 17:50:48 1 2
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The third world is where you steal the initial resources for your comfy lifestyle. Therefore, its actually them bailing you out.
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09/12/2020 17:26:20 120 18
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This should be front page news not the brexit bulshit,or covid .We need to seriously control the population, or world will make its own correction, and this time there will no vaccine to dig out.
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09/12/2020 17:51:19 4 9
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Do you suggest we just kill a few billion people?

No, we need to change the way we live, something in our control, but it's hard to do so no one wants to talk about it.

Overpopulation will not be a problem in the future because as individuals get richer, they have less kids. The global population will top off at 9 billion, which models suggest we can manage.
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09/12/2020 19:32:37 8 1
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You don't control population by killing people (although nature will if we carry on as we are) Education, female emancipation, atheism, taxation, 'stop at two' policies. And it's 'fewer' kids, not 'less' kids...
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09/12/2020 17:47:07 15 8
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We are doomed.
Humans underwent evolution,
but now mainly cause pollution.
Earth will be better without us.
We live on this beautiful blue and green planet,
but human nature works against mother nature.
We should start giving their world back to other living beings,
and learn to give and share,
not grab and consume.

Human greed is the deadliest sin.
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09/12/2020 17:51:57 7 11
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You think animals in nature are not greedy? You think predator and prey live in harmony? Maybe you should consider what being eaten alive is like? Of course in your world everything is lovely and it is not every animal for themselves, like it is in the actual real natural world.
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09/12/2020 18:05:25 4 1
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Natural predation and selection is finely balanced. Nothing gets too much of an advantage, be it predator, prey, plant or fungi.. save for us.. we rewrite the rules with appalling consequences
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09/12/2020 17:52:15 1 2
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Have we done well!

Now on to the next planet!
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09/12/2020 17:52:19 9 3
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Nature will be back with a more effective population culling virus to fix the issue at some point. Just need to add the effective killer SARS to the infectious COVID virus
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09/12/2020 18:19:30 2 2
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Can I have adrink of what your having?
Why do we keep baling out the Third World, all they do is breed - starve - breed some more, have a war and repeat but their populations still grow inexorably. Removed
Maybe we should just carpet bomb all of Africa. Would that make you Removed
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09/12/2020 17:53:13 28 2
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The human race is inherently selfish - but equally, how do you convince someone that living in a way that helps someone they don't know in 200 years time is better than living in a way that helps (or makes "better") the immediate lives of themselves and their closest family/friends?
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09/12/2020 19:28:48 9 3
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Its about upbringing
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09/12/2020 21:23:17 3 3
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odd then that this 'selfishness' has produced a world better than anything that has gone before.
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09/12/2020 17:42:29 3 3
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I have to say it just boggles my wee brain how they even manage to calculate that, impressive stuff...now what do we do?
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09/12/2020 17:54:06 2 3
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They haven't calculated anything, it's an approximation skewed by bias.
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09/12/2020 17:42:03 3 5
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One of those pointless 'News' reports, put in by and editor desperate to fill a space on the page. Don't like it, then cut the human population by about three quarters, solving pollution, the human induced part of climate change, mass extinction etc at a stroke. Who wants to be culled first?
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09/12/2020 17:54:22 0 1
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No need to cull humans
Just move to a technologically advanced system where machines do much of what humans do & populations will naturally decline
After all, how stupid is it to build an economy on 'services'?
Just creating nothing jobs for people which machines could do a lot of because humans consume & people make money
Infinite growth doesn't exist, there's got to be a better way
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09/12/2020 17:54:25 77 5
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I remember driving home 40 years ago. After about 12 miles I had to stop & clean the windscreen of splatted flies. I could drive that same road now all the way home without having to stop, not because the wipers or fluid are better, there just aren't the insects anymore. It's not just the man made stuff we 'need' it's the indiscriminate destruction too. I'm ashamed to say & be part of it.
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09/12/2020 18:00:16 10 25
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But without all these pesticides, there would be wasted food on the supermarket shelves because people don't want to buy apples with spots on.
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09/12/2020 18:11:05 10 2
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Similar, 40/50 yrs ago, had to close windows early before sunset or house would fill with moths, crane flies etc, now, barely an insect comes in & can leave windows open all night
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09/12/2020 19:51:02 4 9
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Do you mean you drove it once or is it that, even 40 years ago, you were commuting over 12 miles by car? I am interested only because I am constantly amazed at people's refusal not to live where they work. I am in my fifties and have always walked or cycled to work. When I think of the miles some of my peers have covered in their cars during the same period I could cry.
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09/12/2020 22:01:13 5 1
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I bet your car is significantly more aerodynamic today than a 1980 Ford Granada. That's why there are no bugs on your winscreen. I have a car with a very upright windscreen and can confirm that it murders insects galore. We do though need to plant more trees,hedgerows, wild flowers and stop excessive use of pesticides.
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09/12/2020 22:17:14 2 0
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Yeah, a 20 mile motorbike ride in summer in the 70s and you had to stop and clean your visor.
Horrendous.
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09/12/2020 17:46:23 8 6
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Thousands of comments on an economic divorce. Less than 50 so far on the disaster that is accelerating downhill towards apocalypse.

We will survive Brexit, chances are rapidly diminishing we will survive as a species much longer.
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09/12/2020 17:54:29 2 6
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apocalypse is an overstatement, even if all the ice melts and all the fish die you can still lilve on about 20% of the earths surface and eat nuts - sounds dull but its not the end of the human race.
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09/12/2020 18:21:42 0 1
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Your nuts
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09/12/2020 17:42:03 3 5
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One of those pointless 'News' reports, put in by and editor desperate to fill a space on the page. Don't like it, then cut the human population by about three quarters, solving pollution, the human induced part of climate change, mass extinction etc at a stroke. Who wants to be culled first?
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09/12/2020 17:55:07 1 1
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As a single guy with no friends or family to miss me, I'm a prime candidate for culling. On the other hand, having no kids means I haven't contributed to the problem as much as those people who pop out a new kid every year, so perhaps I "deserve" to stick around for a while, and we should cull the largest families first.
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09/12/2020 17:46:12 47 155
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 17:55:15 9 10
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Its a trade off between population and standard of living. High global population = low standard of living, and vice versa.
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09/12/2020 18:01:54 10 9
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No it doesn’t
Population and standard of living have both risen dramatically over the last century. These are simple, verifiable facts.
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09/12/2020 17:55:16 2 16
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! GOD DID NOT INTEND FOR US TO DOMINATE THE PLANET IN THIS WAY AND IT WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF US ALL. HEED MY WARNING! WE ARE HEADING FOR A DOOMED AND MEAGRE EXISTENCE ON THIS PLANET IF WE CONTINUE AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW! FIND ABSOLUTION IN GOD AND ATTEND CHURCH.
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09/12/2020 17:59:02 4 1
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No. Hail the Dark Lord, the TRUE LORD, and behold his magnificent works!
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09/12/2020 17:59:15 4 1
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If there was a god, perhaps he'd be more successful in his endeavours..

He seems only slightly more capable than the current government.
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09/12/2020 18:17:14 1 1
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You have got caps on
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09/12/2020 18:30:46 4 1
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... another candidate for the looney bin
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09/12/2020 19:42:51 1 0
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Get help. Or, if you prefer, GET HELP.
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09/12/2020 20:11:55 1 0
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"FIND ABSOLUTION IN GOD AND ATTEND CHURCH."

Shan't.

Allegedly, this God bloke is omnipresent. That breaches social distancing guidelines, so I'm not setting foot inside his house!
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09/12/2020 17:18:12 190 15
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Increasing consumption, population and perpetual economic growth worldwide are all linked and fundamental to a system that will collapse if anyone of these stops increasing.

The whole system needs overhauling to stop what is effectively a damaging ponzi scheme, the system being unsustainable and the major driver to man-made environmental destruction.
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09/12/2020 17:55:20 11 18
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People point to over population as a cause for a lot of problems - unfortunately, the only real way to fix this is to either restrict a major human right to have kids or worse, to force people not to have any kids... So might as well park this issue, and think of other solutions!
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09/12/2020 18:47:34 7 1
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Doesn't necessarily have to be that draconian. I think governments could (and should) be making much greater efforts to encourage people not to have children - or at least, to have fewer children
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09/12/2020 18:47:51 16 1
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Where is it a human right to allow people to have as many kids as they like regardless of whether they can support them or not? Where are the human responsibilities?
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09/12/2020 17:24:05 178 43
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No scientist or politician EVER wants to mention the P word - population. Climate change, how much stuff there is, etc. We need fewer people on this planet. People having more than two children are just selfish - and it's about time this was underscored rather than ignored.
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09/12/2020 17:55:40 6 3
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How do you suggest population is controlled? You cannot alter cultures in Africa, the Middle East or the Far East within a time frame that would make a difference!
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09/12/2020 17:59:00 6 4
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Population control will be imposed by climate change.
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09/12/2020 20:01:52 1 0
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You certainly can, I think what you mean to say is that you cannot do so *nicely*. We do not have the luxury of 'nicely'.
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09/12/2020 17:45:43 6 8
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About as useless as sayings there's 200-300 millions times more insects on the planet compared to humans .
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09/12/2020 17:57:00 0 1
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You sir are totally right, pointless statistic, the earth is mostly rock and from a top level view we are just a small rather insignifcant blemish. Infact if we raise the temperature enough to cause serious problems (sea surface rises etc) the earth is still essentially the same as it was before - a few kelvin out of 300 diferent, in the noise.
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09/12/2020 17:17:03 97 5
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Overpopulation and societies underpinned fundamentally be economies that work on the basis of wanton consumerism with no other considerations. That's how we've got to where we are and unless governments get braver at addressing this head on then we're going to make the existence of future generations pretty difficult and unpleasant.
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09/12/2020 17:57:11 1 2
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Exactly, Listen to the current Reith Lectures on Radio 4.
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09/12/2020 17:43:10 13 6
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Pretty Disgusting.
Something to take note of.
Something we should all worry about and do something about.
Certainly nothing to be proud of.
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09/12/2020 17:57:38 0 6
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So you are saying we should not exist?
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09/12/2020 18:22:27 0 2
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No he's on the Gin
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09/12/2020 19:25:39 1 0
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Where in Richard's article does he say that we should not exist?
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09/12/2020 17:58:08 3 1
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The heavy cost of economic advance...
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09/12/2020 17:46:12 47 155
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Sorry, OVERpopulation is not a problem, UNDERpopulation is, yes really...

The global population will level off at 9 billion, which is manageable. The problem is we'll have a very old population being a burden the young cannot carry. Soon there will be no retiring.

However, we do need to work on being more sustainable, that means making changes to our daily lives, but you don't want to hear that!
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09/12/2020 17:58:22 8 15
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Retirement is a recent Western concept.
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09/12/2020 18:13:45 2 5
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I agree, I said it to make a point.
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09/12/2020 19:22:36 1 0
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Paid retirement, I agree. On concepts... I suppose working down a mine, in a factory, caring in a hospital, teaching in public education etc... for 45 years is recent too. Of course you could be a professional footballer for 10 years and retire comfortably for the next 50 years...