Covid: Schools in England can close for Christmas a day early
08/12/2020 | news | education | 335
To give teachers "a break" from identifying potential Covid-19 cases, schools can have an inset day.
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09/12/2020 10:46:51 28 15
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Standby for the teacher bashers! How long before we have: "I know a teacher who has nothing to do" etc. lets deflate some myths remember that: Teacher's holidays are unpaid, they no longer have a final pension salary, they work from 9 to 3, etc.
"What aboutery" is about to start. You have been warned.
It was the schools minister the genius Gibbs who decided this so late, not the teachers!
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09/12/2020 10:55:35 20 24
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At my 11 year old's school ... They now don't do DT practicals. They have to watch the teacher at the front do a bit of cooking, then do it at home themselves ... The reason given, "there's not enough staff to make sure everything is sanitary" ... Sorry, the kids are suffering here, not the teachers !
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09/12/2020 11:15:42 7 10
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Only TA holiday is unpaid pro rata. A full time teacher is paid in full for the year. Bleat somewhere else.
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09/12/2020 10:48:42 22 25
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The teaching profession has seriously "over-egged the pudding" when it comes to their struggles these last 6 months ... My 11 year old hasn't had any homework marked for the first 3 months of secondary school. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors going on where some teachers are concerned. Ask yourself how busy all the PE staff have been since March !
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09/12/2020 11:15:50 21 6
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And what about those having to teach during the day and at the same time are legally required by Williamson to ALSO make sure all those isolating are also taught to the same level - whether that be live lessons, recorded lessons (done outside of normal lessons), Show My Homework, Mock Exams for the Year 11s, marking from those etc. ???
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SB
09/12/2020 10:49:53 17 24
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Another day off for teachers?
As if they haven't had enough off this year as it is.
What about the kid's education?
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09/12/2020 11:14:02 19 6
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And you'd know all about 12-16 hours a day then. All the time. Non-stop ??? Just because they are out of the school building doesn't mean they stop. INSET means In Service Education & Training. Guess what - that so called day off will be spent in virtual class training...........
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09/12/2020 13:35:05 2 0
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I believe most of these children also have parents. As a teacher, it has been very frustrating spending hours and hours preparing online materials and providing live lessons only for little Harry to have a bonus lie in. This is the minority, but it has and is happening. Education is a partnership between teachers, kids and parents. Everyone suffers when this partnership breaks.
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09/12/2020 10:52:57 48 46
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Absolute rubbish. They should be putting in extra days so pupils can catch up. This country has gone soft.
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09/12/2020 11:21:45 37 14
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Would you put in extra days at work.....unpaid ?
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09/12/2020 12:24:14 16 4
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You should sign up to help if you're that concerned.

Although I strongly suspect that you wouldn't last 3 mins in a classroom of thirty 14 year-olds, especially after reading your posts which largely consist of complaining about other people.
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09/12/2020 12:38:14 4 15
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Schools should have arranged extra lessons, in safe numbers, over the summer.

I know teachers put in countless hours, unpaid and unseen by most, but the children's education and mental health come first.

No more time off.
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09/12/2020 13:52:50 4 0
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Pupils should have been doing much of the work at home during lockdown, schools set the work. Sadly, some parents were either too lazy or stupid to realise why keeping pupils learning and their brains active was important. There were many kids that did nothing in my daughter's primary class and now their parents wonder why they are behind...education is not just down to schools.
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Ben
09/12/2020 17:19:23 4 0
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At it's peak 9.6 million people were furloughed. i.e. Paid by the taxpayer to stay at home and do jack all. That number is still over 4 million.

Teachers have worked throughout, including the holidays (which they are not paid to work).

Senior Leaders have worked throughout including holidays and weekends.

This plan, which will be ignored by most schools, comes from the DfE, not teachers.
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09/12/2020 10:55:00 6 13
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A whole day, comical.

Everyone else that can is working to the last, not getting a free week off. They will be the ones the children will be home with.
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09/12/2020 11:19:34 11 3
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Come on James....you've shown plenty of times on HYS that you have not got the foggiest clue about real world teaching......
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09/12/2020 11:32:13 5 0
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You sound like someone who was an under-achiever at school, judging by your constant negativity and willingness to blame your own shortcomings on others.
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09/12/2020 10:46:51 28 15
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Standby for the teacher bashers! How long before we have: "I know a teacher who has nothing to do" etc. lets deflate some myths remember that: Teacher's holidays are unpaid, they no longer have a final pension salary, they work from 9 to 3, etc.
"What aboutery" is about to start. You have been warned.
It was the schools minister the genius Gibbs who decided this so late, not the teachers!
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09/12/2020 10:55:35 20 24
bbc
At my 11 year old's school ... They now don't do DT practicals. They have to watch the teacher at the front do a bit of cooking, then do it at home themselves ... The reason given, "there's not enough staff to make sure everything is sanitary" ... Sorry, the kids are suffering here, not the teachers !
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09/12/2020 11:06:21 8 0
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I would believe that if the spacing in schools was the same as the spacing in the House of Commons!
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09/12/2020 11:18:18 11 0
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Similar for science. BUT - and it is a bit BUT - the safety guidelines clearly state that all equipment used by pupils needs to be set aside for 72 hours be3fore it can be used again. Many items simply cannot be properly cleaned between uses (e.g. microscopes) and in additiono safety glasses (in very short supply anyway) must be cleaned and air dried between EACH use... Get your facts straight!!
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09/12/2020 14:41:38 1 0
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DT needs to be taught in half classes if they are to use tools like lathes milling machines etc (HS). Very expensive subject. Also need specialist technicians to maintain the equpment.
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09/12/2020 10:55:55 30 13
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Too late notice from the 'Too late government '. Parents have other commitments apart from their children. I. e. Work.
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09/12/2020 12:02:36 36 7
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Schools are not babysitters.
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10/12/2020 09:47:32 0 1
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Schools are not a child care provider, they are there to educate. The amount of times parents have sent sick children to school only to tell me as their teacher they've been sent to school because mummy has to work. Result, other children catch their illness along with teachers. As with this so called days break the government have no idea how schools work or provide affordable child care.
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09/12/2020 10:58:28 6 5
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Think some of the BBC journalists should go back to school, England is a noun, not an adjective. Should read: English schools, or schools in England.
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09/12/2020 11:01:09 75 15
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This was not requested by teachers it was 'back of a fag packet' government as usual. It is also 'cat nip' to all the teacher haters. Teacher's will never change the minds of these people so I would politely suggest not engaging and leaving them to their Daily Mail reading in peace.
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09/12/2020 11:52:54 77 16
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100% true about the cat nip

And this is not a 'day off' but is a re-arranged training day that would have happened anyway

I really find it odd why so many ignorant people like to line up to slag teachers off, it's truly pathetic.

I'm not a teacher but teachers plainly have been working hard and under difficult circumstances to keep educating and caring for our children.

Teachers. Thank you.
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09/12/2020 13:29:10 3 20
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What about all of the other professions that are going to be working hard to manage track and tracing issues throughout Christmas including NHS workers and all other essential workers? Why are teachers different? The union stance throughout this pandemic has done absolutely no favours for the public perception of teaching, nor the attitude of many schools.
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10/12/2020 21:27:35 0 0
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Oh, bless
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09/12/2020 11:04:10 54 18
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I was right the teacher bashing has started. When no one wants to be a teacher because all they get is a bashing on HYS and elsewhere. Who will teach the children then? The other problem is that everyone has been to school ( but the evidence is thin judging HYS) and assumes that they are experts!

Becareful Mr Gove does not like experts!
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09/12/2020 11:57:54 16 50
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I dont think the teacher bashing relates to the complexity of the job. Its mainly the attitude of self improtance often portrayed by teachers.
for example, true you dont get paid for holidays. But you conveniently ignore that you only have to be available for work for 195 days per year for your salary. Whereas most other employees have to actually work 227 days per year for their salary.
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mc
09/12/2020 12:57:11 2 15
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my daughter does she got no a grade in maths or english but went to uni and a kindteacher did her papers now on 22k plus for half a day/year work -easy money and also why standards in kids so poor
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09/12/2020 10:55:35 20 24
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At my 11 year old's school ... They now don't do DT practicals. They have to watch the teacher at the front do a bit of cooking, then do it at home themselves ... The reason given, "there's not enough staff to make sure everything is sanitary" ... Sorry, the kids are suffering here, not the teachers !
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09/12/2020 11:06:21 8 0
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I would believe that if the spacing in schools was the same as the spacing in the House of Commons!
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SB
09/12/2020 10:49:53 17 24
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Another day off for teachers?
As if they haven't had enough off this year as it is.
What about the kid's education?
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09/12/2020 11:14:02 19 6
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And you'd know all about 12-16 hours a day then. All the time. Non-stop ??? Just because they are out of the school building doesn't mean they stop. INSET means In Service Education & Training. Guess what - that so called day off will be spent in virtual class training...........
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09/12/2020 11:01:11 3 11
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Could some please fight for extra day off for key workers please! I will need to take day off without a pay which clearly I don’t won’t to take as it will affect the whole work force, my pay and affect patients too!
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09/12/2020 11:19:07 19 4
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This is NOT a day off for teachers! But don't let it stop your bile.
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09/12/2020 12:02:22 2 0
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They will work an extra day in class instead of a "training day" next year to compensate for the extra "training day" this year
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09/12/2020 10:46:51 28 15
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Standby for the teacher bashers! How long before we have: "I know a teacher who has nothing to do" etc. lets deflate some myths remember that: Teacher's holidays are unpaid, they no longer have a final pension salary, they work from 9 to 3, etc.
"What aboutery" is about to start. You have been warned.
It was the schools minister the genius Gibbs who decided this so late, not the teachers!
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09/12/2020 11:15:42 7 10
bbc
Only TA holiday is unpaid pro rata. A full time teacher is paid in full for the year. Bleat somewhere else.
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09/12/2020 11:21:52 8 0
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So when you change jobs why don't you get accrued holiday pay? Just because you are paid in 12 installments does not mean holidays are paid. But keep up the bile.
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LW
09/12/2020 16:13:22 3 0
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A full time teacher is not paid in full for the year - Just Google teacher terms and conditions - the contract is for 195 days work a year - no holidays are included - this is public knowledge.
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LH
10/12/2020 19:07:44 0 0
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Then, that's the Contract of Employment they signed up for!
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09/12/2020 10:48:42 22 25
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The teaching profession has seriously "over-egged the pudding" when it comes to their struggles these last 6 months ... My 11 year old hasn't had any homework marked for the first 3 months of secondary school. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors going on where some teachers are concerned. Ask yourself how busy all the PE staff have been since March !
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09/12/2020 11:15:50 21 6
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And what about those having to teach during the day and at the same time are legally required by Williamson to ALSO make sure all those isolating are also taught to the same level - whether that be live lessons, recorded lessons (done outside of normal lessons), Show My Homework, Mock Exams for the Year 11s, marking from those etc. ???
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10/12/2020 00:09:02 0 0
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Should have set up the year remotely, not end up with both silly live in class performing as well as remote to do. Record the lessons close the schools for ever.
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09/12/2020 10:55:35 20 24
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At my 11 year old's school ... They now don't do DT practicals. They have to watch the teacher at the front do a bit of cooking, then do it at home themselves ... The reason given, "there's not enough staff to make sure everything is sanitary" ... Sorry, the kids are suffering here, not the teachers !
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09/12/2020 11:18:18 11 0
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Similar for science. BUT - and it is a bit BUT - the safety guidelines clearly state that all equipment used by pupils needs to be set aside for 72 hours be3fore it can be used again. Many items simply cannot be properly cleaned between uses (e.g. microscopes) and in additiono safety glasses (in very short supply anyway) must be cleaned and air dried between EACH use... Get your facts straight!!
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09/12/2020 11:01:11 3 11
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Could some please fight for extra day off for key workers please! I will need to take day off without a pay which clearly I don’t won’t to take as it will affect the whole work force, my pay and affect patients too!
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09/12/2020 11:19:07 19 4
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This is NOT a day off for teachers! But don't let it stop your bile.
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09/12/2020 11:20:27 0 0
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In my comment I say I will need to take day off!
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09/12/2020 12:04:06 0 4
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No just a nice quiet day with no pupils....
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09/12/2020 10:55:00 6 13
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A whole day, comical.

Everyone else that can is working to the last, not getting a free week off. They will be the ones the children will be home with.
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09/12/2020 11:19:34 11 3
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Come on James....you've shown plenty of times on HYS that you have not got the foggiest clue about real world teaching......
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10/12/2020 00:06:25 0 0
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Nor about operating a steam engine but we all know about of date systems when we see them. Those insiders never look up and outside their world and are well known, in every area, not just education, to be the worst people to see the picture. The old adage to a man with a hammer every problem is a nail. To insider teachers every problem is school shaped and fixable with higher pay for them.
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09/12/2020 11:19:07 19 4
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This is NOT a day off for teachers! But don't let it stop your bile.
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09/12/2020 11:20:27 0 0
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In my comment I say I will need to take day off!
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09/12/2020 10:52:57 48 46
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Absolute rubbish. They should be putting in extra days so pupils can catch up. This country has gone soft.
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09/12/2020 11:21:45 37 14
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Would you put in extra days at work.....unpaid ?
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09/12/2020 11:43:20 10 11
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They get paid a salary.
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Jim
09/12/2020 11:47:16 9 20
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They aren't not being paid. Given how easy many teachers had during covid (from personal knowledge) they would just be repaying the out of class time that they had earlier in the year.

If the chose not to use that time for lesson prep then that is their loss.

Nation needs to up its game, we have gone soft and been overtaken by strivers
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09/12/2020 12:03:40 11 15
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They were paid during the 1st lockdown and in my own experience didn't do much at all. Our local school had two children and refused most children of keyworkers such as my own.
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mc
09/12/2020 12:50:40 3 11
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had 6 months off on full pay so why not
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09/12/2020 11:15:42 7 10
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Only TA holiday is unpaid pro rata. A full time teacher is paid in full for the year. Bleat somewhere else.
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09/12/2020 11:21:52 8 0
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So when you change jobs why don't you get accrued holiday pay? Just because you are paid in 12 installments does not mean holidays are paid. But keep up the bile.
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09/12/2020 12:58:57 2 0
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TAs in my county (and I suspect many others) have contracts that state a number of hours “term time only”. Appeared as part of the austerity agenda.
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09/12/2020 11:22:57 8 15
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Yay, wonderful news for the teachers, they still get paid. It just means that as a school bus driver I will go another day without money over the Christmas break. Happy Christmas everyone!
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09/12/2020 11:29:13 14 3
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They are not taking the day off. The teachers did not decide this. It was genius Gibb the schools minister all complaints to him.
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09/12/2020 11:25:18 8 14
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we are all under pressure, reduced pay, no job prospects
Does not seem right
Nurses, doctors, icu. bin men etc I get it and support it, but teachers
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09/12/2020 11:31:39 17 3
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This was a decision made by the schools minister not the teachers! all complaints to DFE
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09/12/2020 11:26:33 26 1
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I’m confused - what does NHS Track and Trace actually do then? Surely it’s the responsibility of T&T to notify contacts outside of school term times? (And even during term time)
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09/12/2020 11:30:40 13 6
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totally schools responsibility
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09/12/2020 12:01:42 6 2
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Please get it right.
Serco Track and Trace.
It's only the NHS label being slapped on it.
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09/12/2020 13:57:36 10 0
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For school students all of the track and trace is carried out by school staff. We interview the student, trawl through seating plans and identify those who are close proximity contacts. We then have to contact each family directly to tell them that they have to self-isolate. Track and Trace do not get involved and all my conversations with Public Health England have said its our job to do this
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Ben
09/12/2020 17:07:43 3 2
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Totally the schools responsibility.

Although all the absence data has to be sent to the DfE (and has been every week forever), mysteriously Nick Gibb claimed that the DfE haven't got this data so their job of levelling the public exams mess will be nigh on impossible.

Interestingly, they've also decided not to publish teacher absence data (inc. COVID) since September. Can't think why.
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09/12/2020 11:22:57 8 15
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Yay, wonderful news for the teachers, they still get paid. It just means that as a school bus driver I will go another day without money over the Christmas break. Happy Christmas everyone!
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09/12/2020 11:29:13 14 3
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They are not taking the day off. The teachers did not decide this. It was genius Gibb the schools minister all complaints to him.
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09/12/2020 11:26:33 26 1
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I’m confused - what does NHS Track and Trace actually do then? Surely it’s the responsibility of T&T to notify contacts outside of school term times? (And even during term time)
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09/12/2020 11:30:40 13 6
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totally schools responsibility
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09/12/2020 11:30:46 36 20
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Teachers always get slagged off, by vile right wing gutter tabloids.
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09/12/2020 11:32:43 37 6
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And they wonder why there is a shortage of teachers.
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09/12/2020 13:27:18 1 3
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Right wing press v Left wing teachers ... Neither side capable of giving a balanced education !
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09/12/2020 11:25:18 8 14
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we are all under pressure, reduced pay, no job prospects
Does not seem right
Nurses, doctors, icu. bin men etc I get it and support it, but teachers
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09/12/2020 11:31:39 17 3
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This was a decision made by the schools minister not the teachers! all complaints to DFE
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09/12/2020 10:55:00 6 13
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A whole day, comical.

Everyone else that can is working to the last, not getting a free week off. They will be the ones the children will be home with.
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09/12/2020 11:32:13 5 0
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You sound like someone who was an under-achiever at school, judging by your constant negativity and willingness to blame your own shortcomings on others.
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10/12/2020 00:01:48 0 0
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What shortcomings? You really should stop the fantasising about other posters. This is about another free day off for school staff. Schools should never have been reopened.
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09/12/2020 11:30:46 36 20
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Teachers always get slagged off, by vile right wing gutter tabloids.
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09/12/2020 11:32:43 37 6
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And they wonder why there is a shortage of teachers.
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09/12/2020 11:44:09 14 2
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There's a shortage of teachers because over a third leave the profession after 5 years. This was true for the last government, and it's true for this government.

Why? Endless paperwork, a lot of pressure to make children get good grades even if they're workshy.

A teacher has all of the responsibility and very little power, thanks to meddling do-gooders who created generations of entitled kids
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09/12/2020 11:37:25 15 9
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PHE say apart from shops, schools are the biggest source of transmission...should have been closed earlier so we could have all had some sort of a normal family christmas.
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09/12/2020 11:40:56 10 11
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Ha good one! And let’s kill off what remaining productivity there is in the economy by having working parents either balancing child care and work or just not working at all!

Brilliant idea - you should work in the government!
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09/12/2020 11:39:47 48 46
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No thought for the millions of parents, many of whom will work for private companies that are struggling to survive and will be worried about their jobs, who'll have to take time off work or pay for childcare just to save "stressed teachers" having to do a bit of work. Everyone's stressed, everyone's had to do more than normal. Teachers should JFDI and stop their incessant moaning
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09/12/2020 11:41:48 33 7
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Complaints to genius Gibbs the schools minister. Not a teacher decision.
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09/12/2020 11:44:21 4 7
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Teacher bashing isn’t helpful and there needs to be empathy on all sides BUT 100% agree that working have been parents have been completely ignored and left to fend for themselves during this pandemic - something that I think teachers need to stop and consider - everyone’s views on this are way too polarised
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09/12/2020 11:51:22 14 1
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It’s Michael Gove’s fault, as he was the one who cut teacher’s pays and refused to give teachers proper respect.

Michael Gove is nothing but a bully.
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09/12/2020 12:03:52 11 0
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Schools are not babysitters.
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09/12/2020 13:04:31 7 1
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Why don't you retrain and become a teacher if you think their lives are so much easier than your own?
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09/12/2020 13:05:55 8 1
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You seem to be full of hatred. Perhaps you need some education too, education of the actual facts before launching your hate filled tirade

This is nothing to do with time off it is to do with the possible re-arrangement of a training day and no school time would be lost

It's quite simple. I read and understood the story

But in your haste to launch into a nasty trolling you plainly didn't
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09/12/2020 13:49:53 1 1
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On the last day it is usually nothing more than videos and the likes in many schools, having an INSET day will mean teachers having to keep working....but at least there is less risk of them having to isolate over Xmas as one less day with children of 'stupid people' who have been flouting the rules. All the last week should have been given to teachers so they can be sure of having an Xmas.
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09/12/2020 14:45:39 1 1
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The longer your children are in school the greater the chance they will pass Covid onto families over Xmas. They need to be Covid free before meeting Granny.
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Ben
09/12/2020 17:12:29 0 0
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Schools aren't babysitters. They're places of education. They were established to teach kids stuff, not to babysit so parents could go out to work.
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09/12/2020 17:26:03 0 0
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Not just Haggis you have been munching by the sound of it
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09/12/2020 11:37:25 15 9
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PHE say apart from shops, schools are the biggest source of transmission...should have been closed earlier so we could have all had some sort of a normal family christmas.
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09/12/2020 11:40:56 10 11
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Ha good one! And let’s kill off what remaining productivity there is in the economy by having working parents either balancing child care and work or just not working at all!

Brilliant idea - you should work in the government!
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09/12/2020 11:48:41 4 0
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The Govt locked down at least two weeks too late in March for the sake of the economy. It cost thousands of lives. If that's your mindset so be it, but it's certainly not mine.
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Sup
09/12/2020 17:36:57 1 0
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But there is a sensible middle ground. Close schools to Y9 and up. No childcare requirement for working parents but greatly reduces the number of students in school and therefore transmission of the virus.
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09/12/2020 11:41:12 2 2
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There's been a lot of fuss about this 3 household bubble.

Yet a part of me is wondering if any extra infection from this will be countered by the fact that at this time of year everybody, even under normal circumstances, goes to work a lot less, uses public transport a lot less etc.

Take away all of the busy pub mingling, and the Christmas period might actually see infections dip overall.
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09/12/2020 11:41:25 66 23
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Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Civil Servants, Social Workers, and primarily Teachers always seem to get a bashing from the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees. Time to back off and give these extremely hard working people a break.
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09/12/2020 11:45:58 35 11
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May be I underestimated the Government. This is a cunning plan: all public sector salaries are are about to be frozen (cut in real terms). So if they can turn the public against the public sector... They will never get a pay increase. So clever. LOL
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09/12/2020 11:49:29 10 24
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There are millions of hard working people in the economy, most of whom don't enjoy the job security, pension benefits and decent pay of the public sector. Yet it's always the public sector that bleat about how hard they're worked, how bad things are and so on. Either get a job you like or shut up. No-one forced you to be a nurse, teacher, social worker etc, so why do it if it's so bad?
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Jim
09/12/2020 11:49:31 5 12
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Fire fighters are most definitely not hard workers.

When you need them they are life savers. But hard workers and risk takers they are not.

The local fire crew complained massively when the ambulance was stationed with them. The reason? The ambulance was called out so often that the fire fighters sleep was being disturbed. Bless.
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09/12/2020 12:00:53 3 18
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I agree with the list.....but please delete teachers
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09/12/2020 12:06:51 5 12
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"knuckle dragging devotees" ?
I'm right wing and highly educated with an I.Q (for what it's worth of course) around 130 based on various tests. There are left wing tabloids too you know, like the Mirror and right wing (ish) 'broadsheets' but don't let the facts derail your rant.
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09/12/2020 11:39:47 48 46
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No thought for the millions of parents, many of whom will work for private companies that are struggling to survive and will be worried about their jobs, who'll have to take time off work or pay for childcare just to save "stressed teachers" having to do a bit of work. Everyone's stressed, everyone's had to do more than normal. Teachers should JFDI and stop their incessant moaning
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09/12/2020 11:41:48 33 7
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Complaints to genius Gibbs the schools minister. Not a teacher decision.
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09/12/2020 11:46:24 4 9
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So the teaching unions who called for it (and wanted more, of course) don't represent the views of their members? Really?
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09/12/2020 12:09:12 1 0
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yes but they wont disagree or say no thanks, to short notice
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09/12/2020 11:21:45 37 14
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Would you put in extra days at work.....unpaid ?
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09/12/2020 11:43:20 10 11
bbc
They get paid a salary.
30
09/12/2020 11:32:43 37 6
bbc
And they wonder why there is a shortage of teachers.
38
09/12/2020 11:44:09 14 2
bbc
There's a shortage of teachers because over a third leave the profession after 5 years. This was true for the last government, and it's true for this government.

Why? Endless paperwork, a lot of pressure to make children get good grades even if they're workshy.

A teacher has all of the responsibility and very little power, thanks to meddling do-gooders who created generations of entitled kids
49
09/12/2020 11:51:01 2 4
bbc
The statistics are wrong. State your source. Bet you don't reply
67
09/12/2020 12:03:08 3 9
bbc
No.....a high turnover is due to a predominately female 'profession' leaving to have families...
286
10/12/2020 00:16:32 0 1
bbc
Yes all the while the vested interests keep schooling instead of education as the purpose the job will be unpleasant. Like trying to cut wheat with a scythe in the age of combine harvesters. Education is desperate for a dramatic tech based change like high street shops are undergoing. Make educating a nicer job, never any more in a school herd system.
Schooling unfit for this age, too Dickensian.
32
09/12/2020 11:39:47 48 46
bbc
No thought for the millions of parents, many of whom will work for private companies that are struggling to survive and will be worried about their jobs, who'll have to take time off work or pay for childcare just to save "stressed teachers" having to do a bit of work. Everyone's stressed, everyone's had to do more than normal. Teachers should JFDI and stop their incessant moaning
39
09/12/2020 11:44:21 4 7
bbc
Teacher bashing isn’t helpful and there needs to be empathy on all sides BUT 100% agree that working have been parents have been completely ignored and left to fend for themselves during this pandemic - something that I think teachers need to stop and consider - everyone’s views on this are way too polarised
35
09/12/2020 11:41:25 66 23
bbc
Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Civil Servants, Social Workers, and primarily Teachers always seem to get a bashing from the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees. Time to back off and give these extremely hard working people a break.
40
09/12/2020 11:45:58 35 11
bbc
May be I underestimated the Government. This is a cunning plan: all public sector salaries are are about to be frozen (cut in real terms). So if they can turn the public against the public sector... They will never get a pay increase. So clever. LOL
94
09/12/2020 12:07:26 3 14
bbc
Public sector always forgets to mention the 'incremental annual increases' that nobody else gets. So their pay is never frozen.
41
09/12/2020 11:46:10 40 18
bbc
The teachers deserve a pay bonus for putting themselves through so much hard work and stress over the last few months. My parents are teachers and I’ve seen my mum and dad put so much time, effort, and stress into their jobs as teachers.
61
09/12/2020 12:00:06 9 41
bbc
Oh yes..............the moaning profession at its all-time best!
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Ann
09/12/2020 13:33:59 2 11
bbc
What stress??? From March they all set at home and send links from YouTube and bbc. Then 6 weeks holiday. Please don’t say that they work from home. I have 3 kids and I had to do everything with them plus working.Teacher should stop demanding and be great full and don’t say their risking lives. Bus driver, shop assistant, nurse are in the same boat and they keep on working.
166
09/12/2020 13:35:59 2 4
bbc
When nurses get a suitable reward then we’ll consider this a worthwhile comment. Back of the queue for teachers.
202
09/12/2020 14:46:56 5 1
bbc
They also deserve full PPE, plastic screens and cutting class sizes in half.
36
09/12/2020 11:41:48 33 7
bbc
Complaints to genius Gibbs the schools minister. Not a teacher decision.
42
09/12/2020 11:46:24 4 9
bbc
So the teaching unions who called for it (and wanted more, of course) don't represent the views of their members? Really?
44
09/12/2020 11:48:12 12 3
bbc
Which teachers unions? Can you believe that this tory government would give anything to a union? Really?
20
09/12/2020 11:21:45 37 14
bbc
Would you put in extra days at work.....unpaid ?
43
Jim
09/12/2020 11:47:16 9 20
bbc
They aren't not being paid. Given how easy many teachers had during covid (from personal knowledge) they would just be repaying the out of class time that they had earlier in the year.

If the chose not to use that time for lesson prep then that is their loss.

Nation needs to up its game, we have gone soft and been overtaken by strivers
72
09/12/2020 12:04:24 1 4
bbc
Agreed, strivers - amongst the staff and the learners
42
09/12/2020 11:46:24 4 9
bbc
So the teaching unions who called for it (and wanted more, of course) don't represent the views of their members? Really?
44
09/12/2020 11:48:12 12 3
bbc
Which teachers unions? Can you believe that this tory government would give anything to a union? Really?
51
09/12/2020 11:52:06 3 6
bbc
Here's 2:
- Gen Sec of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), described the announcement of an inset day as a "small concession", saying they had hoped for "more flexibility than has been granted".
- Gen Sec of the NAHT school leaders' union said the move could still be "insufficient" to meet the needs of some families and schools.
45
09/12/2020 11:48:36 15 3
bbc
So why can't the Government allow the teachers that day off as well as pupils. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. There appears to be a lack of joined up thinking going on !
52
09/12/2020 11:52:08 14 2
bbc
One could argue that the Government are clueless. The teachers will have a training day.
59
09/12/2020 11:59:43 3 1
bbc
They probably will be given the day off as such, it is virtually impossible to organise "in service training" at such short notice - it's often planned a year in advance, with outside agencies and guest speakers involved. The likelihood is that staff will be required to go in to work on "departmental matters" (marking, displays, preparation, clearing up etc) or permitted to "work from home".
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mc
09/12/2020 13:00:29 0 5
bbc
they be down the pub
33
09/12/2020 11:40:56 10 11
bbc
Ha good one! And let’s kill off what remaining productivity there is in the economy by having working parents either balancing child care and work or just not working at all!

Brilliant idea - you should work in the government!
46
09/12/2020 11:48:41 4 0
bbc
The Govt locked down at least two weeks too late in March for the sake of the economy. It cost thousands of lives. If that's your mindset so be it, but it's certainly not mine.
54
09/12/2020 11:55:19 0 2
bbc
Well it’s a question of health implications now (which can be managed; social distancing, masks etc) or we all shut down and witness the biggest long last health crisis this country has seen in 100 years through poverty and hardship
35
09/12/2020 11:41:25 66 23
bbc
Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Civil Servants, Social Workers, and primarily Teachers always seem to get a bashing from the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees. Time to back off and give these extremely hard working people a break.
47
09/12/2020 11:49:29 10 24
bbc
There are millions of hard working people in the economy, most of whom don't enjoy the job security, pension benefits and decent pay of the public sector. Yet it's always the public sector that bleat about how hard they're worked, how bad things are and so on. Either get a job you like or shut up. No-one forced you to be a nurse, teacher, social worker etc, so why do it if it's so bad?
56
09/12/2020 11:56:30 18 4
bbc
Or if teaching is so easy, and the pay and pensions are so good why don't you apply for a teaching job?
63
09/12/2020 12:01:27 13 3
bbc
Like I said, the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees q.e.d.
299
10/12/2020 12:35:45 2 1
bbc
Equally, if our jobs are so easy then people in the private sector could get a job in the public sector. There is a massive lack of teachers, nurses, social workers etc.! Come and join us!
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LH
10/12/2020 18:48:47 0 0
bbc
Oh, dear, the Old Chestnut, Public Sector Pensions! It's wages one has foregone during one's working life!!!!
35
09/12/2020 11:41:25 66 23
bbc
Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Civil Servants, Social Workers, and primarily Teachers always seem to get a bashing from the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees. Time to back off and give these extremely hard working people a break.
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Jim
09/12/2020 11:49:31 5 12
bbc
Fire fighters are most definitely not hard workers.

When you need them they are life savers. But hard workers and risk takers they are not.

The local fire crew complained massively when the ambulance was stationed with them. The reason? The ambulance was called out so often that the fire fighters sleep was being disturbed. Bless.
55
09/12/2020 11:56:09 16 5
bbc
Firefighters, not hard working? The Chelsea Report in the early seventies said a Firefighter expended more energy in the first ten minutes of a barn fire than a miner did in a 8 hour shift. Maybe you work really hard in your office, but does your wife continually worry that this will be the day when you dont come home from work, no! didnt think so; A Firefighters spouse has that worry every day!!
38
09/12/2020 11:44:09 14 2
bbc
There's a shortage of teachers because over a third leave the profession after 5 years. This was true for the last government, and it's true for this government.

Why? Endless paperwork, a lot of pressure to make children get good grades even if they're workshy.

A teacher has all of the responsibility and very little power, thanks to meddling do-gooders who created generations of entitled kids
49
09/12/2020 11:51:01 2 4
bbc
The statistics are wrong. State your source. Bet you don't reply
147
09/12/2020 13:08:20 2 0
bbc
House for Commons briefing paper 7222, December 16th 2019.
32
09/12/2020 11:39:47 48 46
bbc
No thought for the millions of parents, many of whom will work for private companies that are struggling to survive and will be worried about their jobs, who'll have to take time off work or pay for childcare just to save "stressed teachers" having to do a bit of work. Everyone's stressed, everyone's had to do more than normal. Teachers should JFDI and stop their incessant moaning
50
09/12/2020 11:51:22 14 1
bbc
It’s Michael Gove’s fault, as he was the one who cut teacher’s pays and refused to give teachers proper respect.

Michael Gove is nothing but a bully.
44
09/12/2020 11:48:12 12 3
bbc
Which teachers unions? Can you believe that this tory government would give anything to a union? Really?
51
09/12/2020 11:52:06 3 6
bbc
Here's 2:
- Gen Sec of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), described the announcement of an inset day as a "small concession", saying they had hoped for "more flexibility than has been granted".
- Gen Sec of the NAHT school leaders' union said the move could still be "insufficient" to meet the needs of some families and schools.
60
09/12/2020 11:59:54 7 2
bbc
Neither of those are unions. They are not associated with the TUC. In any event this not evidence for asking one referred to flexibility , the other referred to families. They are commenting on the Governments decision.
45
09/12/2020 11:48:36 15 3
bbc
So why can't the Government allow the teachers that day off as well as pupils. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. There appears to be a lack of joined up thinking going on !
52
09/12/2020 11:52:08 14 2
bbc
One could argue that the Government are clueless. The teachers will have a training day.
9
09/12/2020 11:01:09 75 15
bbc
This was not requested by teachers it was 'back of a fag packet' government as usual. It is also 'cat nip' to all the teacher haters. Teacher's will never change the minds of these people so I would politely suggest not engaging and leaving them to their Daily Mail reading in peace.
53
09/12/2020 11:52:54 77 16
bbc
100% true about the cat nip

And this is not a 'day off' but is a re-arranged training day that would have happened anyway

I really find it odd why so many ignorant people like to line up to slag teachers off, it's truly pathetic.

I'm not a teacher but teachers plainly have been working hard and under difficult circumstances to keep educating and caring for our children.

Teachers. Thank you.
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09/12/2020 12:20:57 20 4
bbc
As a teacher. I worked everyday of the lockdown teaching children of key workers. These included staff at the local hospital as well as police, fire service personnel and the children of other teachers. Further to this, I also taught daily video lessons and 'ported' electronic lessons to those with internet access. Those without received an SAE with all lessons. Please desist with the bile!
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mc
09/12/2020 12:55:46 4 5
bbc
must be joking
219
09/12/2020 15:54:39 4 1
bbc
Thank you - your thanks go a long way.
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LH
10/12/2020 18:37:13 1 0
bbc
... with THIRTY+ DIFFERENT faces every 50 minutes, all pointing at the FRONT, COUGHING and SNEEZING at the teacher! Potentially, 200+ contacts within two metres over the course of just ONE day, followed by the SAME the NEXT day, while doctors hide behind 'telephone consultations' for FIVE times the pay!!!!
46
09/12/2020 11:48:41 4 0
bbc
The Govt locked down at least two weeks too late in March for the sake of the economy. It cost thousands of lives. If that's your mindset so be it, but it's certainly not mine.
54
09/12/2020 11:55:19 0 2
bbc
Well it’s a question of health implications now (which can be managed; social distancing, masks etc) or we all shut down and witness the biggest long last health crisis this country has seen in 100 years through poverty and hardship
48
Jim
09/12/2020 11:49:31 5 12
bbc
Fire fighters are most definitely not hard workers.

When you need them they are life savers. But hard workers and risk takers they are not.

The local fire crew complained massively when the ambulance was stationed with them. The reason? The ambulance was called out so often that the fire fighters sleep was being disturbed. Bless.
55
09/12/2020 11:56:09 16 5
bbc
Firefighters, not hard working? The Chelsea Report in the early seventies said a Firefighter expended more energy in the first ten minutes of a barn fire than a miner did in a 8 hour shift. Maybe you work really hard in your office, but does your wife continually worry that this will be the day when you dont come home from work, no! didnt think so; A Firefighters spouse has that worry every day!!
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LH
10/12/2020 18:50:09 0 0
bbc
... and LOTS and LOTS of volleyball, with salary supplemented by jobs on the side ... I know!!!
47
09/12/2020 11:49:29 10 24
bbc
There are millions of hard working people in the economy, most of whom don't enjoy the job security, pension benefits and decent pay of the public sector. Yet it's always the public sector that bleat about how hard they're worked, how bad things are and so on. Either get a job you like or shut up. No-one forced you to be a nurse, teacher, social worker etc, so why do it if it's so bad?
56
09/12/2020 11:56:30 18 4
bbc
Or if teaching is so easy, and the pay and pensions are so good why don't you apply for a teaching job?
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LH
10/12/2020 18:50:44 0 0
bbc
Exactly, "come and have a go, if you think you're hard enough!".
10
09/12/2020 11:04:10 54 18
bbc
I was right the teacher bashing has started. When no one wants to be a teacher because all they get is a bashing on HYS and elsewhere. Who will teach the children then? The other problem is that everyone has been to school ( but the evidence is thin judging HYS) and assumes that they are experts!

Becareful Mr Gove does not like experts!
57
09/12/2020 11:57:54 16 50
bbc
I dont think the teacher bashing relates to the complexity of the job. Its mainly the attitude of self improtance often portrayed by teachers.
for example, true you dont get paid for holidays. But you conveniently ignore that you only have to be available for work for 195 days per year for your salary. Whereas most other employees have to actually work 227 days per year for their salary.
73
09/12/2020 12:04:40 2 12
bbc
What complexity?
75
09/12/2020 12:06:39 21 1
bbc
If its so great apply for a teaching job.
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mc
09/12/2020 12:57:50 4 9
bbc
they are paid for holidays its spread over a year
164
09/12/2020 13:34:51 16 2
bbc
teachers do work in their holidays - marking books, planning lessons!
171
09/12/2020 13:44:55 8 1
bbc
But the number of days available is a stupid argument and based on ignorance....it is what the contract is. If the contract were different, then maybe different people would do the job, or maybe nobody would do the job. If I am contracted to work 3 days a week, I like the renumeration and task, then who are you to moan that I only work 3 days a week, that is between me and my employer.
281
09/12/2020 22:20:52 1 1
bbc
Wonderful spelling and perfect grammar, I mean really spot on.
293
10/12/2020 08:55:06 1 1
bbc
add all the unpaid overtime and teachers work more hours than most. 60 hr weeks when they are paid for 35! I work full time all year round and my teacher wife works around 600hrs a year more than me! check your facts in future
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LH
10/12/2020 18:58:58 0 0
bbc
Do it, then, if you think the 'holiday' compensates. In fact, no teacher's contract of employment states ANY specific time off for 'holiday'!! One is 'available' for work ALL the time!!
58
09/12/2020 11:59:23 42 6
bbc
So education staff are now only expected to take a week off at Christmas and a week off at Easter until July because they're now unpaid pseudo track-and-trace for the Government?
Schools should've been appointed dedicated track-and-trace staff by Dido and her incredible band of do-nothings to do this work.
I've had a week off since March. I'm exhausted. Please. Just let me rest.
305
10/12/2020 18:00:57 0 0
bbc
Likewise....many people have only had minimal time off since March. Many teaching and working at the same time. In all honesty, employers are a lot less tolerant of this than they were several months ago. Parents get it in the neck asking for another day off.
45
09/12/2020 11:48:36 15 3
bbc
So why can't the Government allow the teachers that day off as well as pupils. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. There appears to be a lack of joined up thinking going on !
59
09/12/2020 11:59:43 3 1
bbc
They probably will be given the day off as such, it is virtually impossible to organise "in service training" at such short notice - it's often planned a year in advance, with outside agencies and guest speakers involved. The likelihood is that staff will be required to go in to work on "departmental matters" (marking, displays, preparation, clearing up etc) or permitted to "work from home".
71
09/12/2020 12:04:14 3 2
bbc
Illegal to give a day off; this part of terms and condition.
51
09/12/2020 11:52:06 3 6
bbc
Here's 2:
- Gen Sec of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), described the announcement of an inset day as a "small concession", saying they had hoped for "more flexibility than has been granted".
- Gen Sec of the NAHT school leaders' union said the move could still be "insufficient" to meet the needs of some families and schools.
60
09/12/2020 11:59:54 7 2
bbc
Neither of those are unions. They are not associated with the TUC. In any event this not evidence for asking one referred to flexibility , the other referred to families. They are commenting on the Governments decision.
41
09/12/2020 11:46:10 40 18
bbc
The teachers deserve a pay bonus for putting themselves through so much hard work and stress over the last few months. My parents are teachers and I’ve seen my mum and dad put so much time, effort, and stress into their jobs as teachers.
61
09/12/2020 12:00:06 9 41
bbc
Oh yes..............the moaning profession at its all-time best!
294
10/12/2020 08:57:32 0 1
bbc
ignorant plank
35
09/12/2020 11:41:25 66 23
bbc
Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Civil Servants, Social Workers, and primarily Teachers always seem to get a bashing from the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees. Time to back off and give these extremely hard working people a break.
62
09/12/2020 12:00:53 3 18
bbc
I agree with the list.....but please delete teachers
65
09/12/2020 12:02:10 9 1
bbc
You must have failed at school wolsey
217
09/12/2020 15:49:15 1 1
bbc
Why?
47
09/12/2020 11:49:29 10 24
bbc
There are millions of hard working people in the economy, most of whom don't enjoy the job security, pension benefits and decent pay of the public sector. Yet it's always the public sector that bleat about how hard they're worked, how bad things are and so on. Either get a job you like or shut up. No-one forced you to be a nurse, teacher, social worker etc, so why do it if it's so bad?
63
09/12/2020 12:01:27 13 3
bbc
Like I said, the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees q.e.d.
24
09/12/2020 11:26:33 26 1
bbc
I’m confused - what does NHS Track and Trace actually do then? Surely it’s the responsibility of T&T to notify contacts outside of school term times? (And even during term time)
64
09/12/2020 12:01:42 6 2
bbc
Please get it right.
Serco Track and Trace.
It's only the NHS label being slapped on it.
62
09/12/2020 12:00:53 3 18
bbc
I agree with the list.....but please delete teachers
65
09/12/2020 12:02:10 9 1
bbc
You must have failed at school wolsey
13
09/12/2020 11:01:11 3 11
bbc
Could some please fight for extra day off for key workers please! I will need to take day off without a pay which clearly I don’t won’t to take as it will affect the whole work force, my pay and affect patients too!
66
09/12/2020 12:02:22 2 0
bbc
They will work an extra day in class instead of a "training day" next year to compensate for the extra "training day" this year
38
09/12/2020 11:44:09 14 2
bbc
There's a shortage of teachers because over a third leave the profession after 5 years. This was true for the last government, and it's true for this government.

Why? Endless paperwork, a lot of pressure to make children get good grades even if they're workshy.

A teacher has all of the responsibility and very little power, thanks to meddling do-gooders who created generations of entitled kids
67
09/12/2020 12:03:08 3 9
bbc
No.....a high turnover is due to a predominately female 'profession' leaving to have families...
68
09/12/2020 12:03:20 2 20
bbc
A disgrace. Why do they need "a break" they had half the year working from home sending out the odd bitesize url to justify a full time wage with teachers unions acting in a vile way to keep members out of work and delaying progress throughout. How about key/care workers and NHS staff get "a break" for all their hard work throughout this.
77
09/12/2020 12:07:47 6 3
bbc
Another who failed at school.
Removed
104
09/12/2020 12:26:24 3 0
bbc
Sorry I thought tey got paid for that too
20
09/12/2020 11:21:45 37 14
bbc
Would you put in extra days at work.....unpaid ?
69
09/12/2020 12:03:40 11 15
bbc
They were paid during the 1st lockdown and in my own experience didn't do much at all. Our local school had two children and refused most children of keyworkers such as my own.
107
09/12/2020 12:28:34 17 3
bbc
My mum, who is a teacher, was working so hard during the first lockdown and putting hours into her job. She certainly didn’t get too much of a break.
221
09/12/2020 15:56:27 1 0
bbc
Please do not tar everyone with the same brush.
17
09/12/2020 11:19:07 19 4
bbc
This is NOT a day off for teachers! But don't let it stop your bile.
70
09/12/2020 12:04:06 0 4
bbc
No just a nice quiet day with no pupils....
59
09/12/2020 11:59:43 3 1
bbc
They probably will be given the day off as such, it is virtually impossible to organise "in service training" at such short notice - it's often planned a year in advance, with outside agencies and guest speakers involved. The likelihood is that staff will be required to go in to work on "departmental matters" (marking, displays, preparation, clearing up etc) or permitted to "work from home".
71
09/12/2020 12:04:14 3 2
bbc
Illegal to give a day off; this part of terms and condition.
83
09/12/2020 12:10:07 0 3
bbc
Often happens though - been there, done that
43
Jim
09/12/2020 11:47:16 9 20
bbc
They aren't not being paid. Given how easy many teachers had during covid (from personal knowledge) they would just be repaying the out of class time that they had earlier in the year.

If the chose not to use that time for lesson prep then that is their loss.

Nation needs to up its game, we have gone soft and been overtaken by strivers
72
09/12/2020 12:04:24 1 4
bbc
Agreed, strivers - amongst the staff and the learners
57
09/12/2020 11:57:54 16 50
bbc
I dont think the teacher bashing relates to the complexity of the job. Its mainly the attitude of self improtance often portrayed by teachers.
for example, true you dont get paid for holidays. But you conveniently ignore that you only have to be available for work for 195 days per year for your salary. Whereas most other employees have to actually work 227 days per year for their salary.
73
09/12/2020 12:04:40 2 12
bbc
What complexity?
178
09/12/2020 13:58:44 5 1
bbc
What a stupid comment.
74
09/12/2020 12:05:09 3 17
bbc
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
98
09/12/2020 12:21:22 9 2
bbc
Those who can't teach, slag off teachers on the internet.
105
09/12/2020 12:27:29 0 1
bbc
The well informed speak rationally. The ill-informed dont.
57
09/12/2020 11:57:54 16 50
bbc
I dont think the teacher bashing relates to the complexity of the job. Its mainly the attitude of self improtance often portrayed by teachers.
for example, true you dont get paid for holidays. But you conveniently ignore that you only have to be available for work for 195 days per year for your salary. Whereas most other employees have to actually work 227 days per year for their salary.
75
09/12/2020 12:06:39 21 1
bbc
If its so great apply for a teaching job.
35
09/12/2020 11:41:25 66 23
bbc
Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Civil Servants, Social Workers, and primarily Teachers always seem to get a bashing from the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees. Time to back off and give these extremely hard working people a break.
76
09/12/2020 12:06:51 5 12
bbc
"knuckle dragging devotees" ?
I'm right wing and highly educated with an I.Q (for what it's worth of course) around 130 based on various tests. There are left wing tabloids too you know, like the Mirror and right wing (ish) 'broadsheets' but don't let the facts derail your rant.
106
09/12/2020 12:27:45 11 1
bbc
For someone with such an IQ you made 5 grammatical mistakes in your statement.
108
09/12/2020 12:28:47 7 1
bbc
Its a pity your IQ didn't come through in your posting, there are left wing tabloids, like The Mirror, agreed but to follow up with 'and right wing (ish) 'broadsheets' doesn't really support your argument, and if you want to play IQ top trumps, then 165
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LH
10/12/2020 18:51:45 0 0
bbc
130?? Peanuts, mine is over 145, and I'm Right of Centre!
68
09/12/2020 12:03:20 2 20
bbc
A disgrace. Why do they need "a break" they had half the year working from home sending out the odd bitesize url to justify a full time wage with teachers unions acting in a vile way to keep members out of work and delaying progress throughout. How about key/care workers and NHS staff get "a break" for all their hard work throughout this.
77
09/12/2020 12:07:47 6 3
bbc
Another who failed at school.
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09/12/2020 13:57:40 2 1
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Allow me to brush my MSc, Ba and BSc aside and advise you of the error you have made here. Wrong Franksol.
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09/12/2020 12:08:05 1 10
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well that's just brilliant, once again no thought given to the millions of working parents who, know have to rush round and hopefully find childcare.........utter joke
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09/12/2020 12:10:22 18 0
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School is an education service not a child-minding service.
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09/12/2020 12:15:11 1 0
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Complaints to Gibb at the DFE
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09/12/2020 13:03:31 2 0
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Many teachers are also parents - they too will have this to contend with.
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09/12/2020 12:08:16 38 4
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As a teacher - I am working and teaching a full day on the 18th. As so will I am sure most schools. Remember this is the DfE who said this not teachers. most will still be teaching as normal.
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09/12/2020 12:12:20 19 25
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As a non-teacher I'll be working until 15:00 on the 24th.
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09/12/2020 12:34:20 5 6
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How much teaching is actually done on the last day of term - especially before Christmas??? Very little from memory and seeing what my kids do!!
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mc
09/12/2020 12:59:03 2 6
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like watching filmd and doing panto no actual work done in the last week and i know from experience
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09/12/2020 12:08:50 5 5
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Given that the government have allowed mixing over xmas it makes sense for schools to break up early especially as not much real work gets done at the end of term. I have every sympathy for teachers but absolutely none for teaching unions who have no regard for anyone else much less school children.
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10/12/2020 20:28:38 0 0
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Hmm. I think you've misunderstood the purpose of unions. They are there to represent the people who pay their fees. Do you complain about tube drivers' unions not thinking about commuters?
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09/12/2020 11:41:48 33 7
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Complaints to genius Gibbs the schools minister. Not a teacher decision.
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09/12/2020 12:09:12 1 0
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yes but they wont disagree or say no thanks, to short notice
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09/12/2020 12:22:00 0 1
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The Oracle speaks
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09/12/2020 12:09:13 34 7
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Did those of you complaining actually read beyond the sensationalist headline? This isn't a day off, teachers are still expected to work, all that has been granted is permission to move a totally normal inset training day from 2021 to the 18th December.
The part about a "decent break" comes from having 6 days before christmas to avoid catching anything from students.
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09/12/2020 12:13:38 21 8
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You speak sense but beware of knuckle draggers they will ignore the truth.
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09/12/2020 12:39:49 2 4
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I'm in the private sector. There's no 6 days for me to avoid catching anything!
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09/12/2020 15:26:14 1 0
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Insert days are a good day's teaching wasted. Good, decent, hardworking teachers loath them!
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09/12/2020 12:04:14 3 2
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Illegal to give a day off; this part of terms and condition.
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09/12/2020 12:10:07 0 3
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Often happens though - been there, done that
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09/12/2020 12:08:05 1 10
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well that's just brilliant, once again no thought given to the millions of working parents who, know have to rush round and hopefully find childcare.........utter joke
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09/12/2020 12:10:22 18 0
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School is an education service not a child-minding service.
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09/12/2020 12:08:16 38 4
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As a teacher - I am working and teaching a full day on the 18th. As so will I am sure most schools. Remember this is the DfE who said this not teachers. most will still be teaching as normal.
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09/12/2020 12:12:20 19 25
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As a non-teacher I'll be working until 15:00 on the 24th.
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09/12/2020 12:27:48 8 5
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what a hero
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09/12/2020 14:51:04 3 1
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As a key worker I'll be working all day on the 24th and all the care workers will be working on the 25th, 26th, 27th etc.
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09/12/2020 15:55:45 5 1
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That's great. I'm a Head Teacher and I will be too. You can then take a week off in June when the weather is great and holidays are cheap. I can't but I just accept that different people have different jobs. I don't slag everyone else off.
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09/12/2020 17:24:52 0 1
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Why not 5.00 lazy belly?
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09/12/2020 18:27:45 4 1
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If teaching is such a fantastic job with long holidays, I suggest you start training immediately! I regularly work all weekend. I feel my holidays make up for this. I also worked during Easter and the half term holidays this year. Please don't assume teachers start work at 9 and finish at 3.15. Remember there is a reason it is hard to recruit and retain staff beyond their first five years.
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09/12/2020 20:11:05 2 1
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Why don't you change career, despite need for teachers at the moment so I am pretty sure they would take you. Have a look at this if you want to put your money were your mouth is

https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-teacher-training

And of course you don't have to work on Christmas eve,
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10/12/2020 19:01:57 0 0
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WHY are you leaving EARLY, at 3 pm???
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09/12/2020 12:09:13 34 7
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Did those of you complaining actually read beyond the sensationalist headline? This isn't a day off, teachers are still expected to work, all that has been granted is permission to move a totally normal inset training day from 2021 to the 18th December.
The part about a "decent break" comes from having 6 days before christmas to avoid catching anything from students.
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09/12/2020 12:13:38 21 8
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You speak sense but beware of knuckle draggers they will ignore the truth.
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09/12/2020 12:03:20 2 20
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A disgrace. Why do they need "a break" they had half the year working from home sending out the odd bitesize url to justify a full time wage with teachers unions acting in a vile way to keep members out of work and delaying progress throughout. How about key/care workers and NHS staff get "a break" for all their hard work throughout this.
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09/12/2020 11:41:25 66 23
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Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Civil Servants, Social Workers, and primarily Teachers always seem to get a bashing from the right wing press and their knuckle dragging devotees. Time to back off and give these extremely hard working people a break.
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09/12/2020 12:08:05 1 10
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well that's just brilliant, once again no thought given to the millions of working parents who, know have to rush round and hopefully find childcare.........utter joke
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09/12/2020 12:15:11 1 0
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Complaints to Gibb at the DFE
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09/12/2020 12:01:58 0 4
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Can we exchange that for the pubs opening for drinks only for a couple of extra days?
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09/12/2020 10:55:55 30 13
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Too late notice from the 'Too late government '. Parents have other commitments apart from their children. I. e. Work.
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09/12/2020 12:02:36 36 7
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Schools are not babysitters.
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10/12/2020 00:10:34 1 1
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It is though the only thing they are wanted for! Poor at anything else basically.
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09/12/2020 11:04:10 54 18
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I was right the teacher bashing has started. When no one wants to be a teacher because all they get is a bashing on HYS and elsewhere. Who will teach the children then? The other problem is that everyone has been to school ( but the evidence is thin judging HYS) and assumes that they are experts!

Becareful Mr Gove does not like experts!
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09/12/2020 11:39:47 48 46
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No thought for the millions of parents, many of whom will work for private companies that are struggling to survive and will be worried about their jobs, who'll have to take time off work or pay for childcare just to save "stressed teachers" having to do a bit of work. Everyone's stressed, everyone's had to do more than normal. Teachers should JFDI and stop their incessant moaning
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09/12/2020 12:03:52 11 0
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Schools are not babysitters.
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09/12/2020 11:45:58 35 11
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May be I underestimated the Government. This is a cunning plan: all public sector salaries are are about to be frozen (cut in real terms). So if they can turn the public against the public sector... They will never get a pay increase. So clever. LOL
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09/12/2020 12:07:26 3 14
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Public sector always forgets to mention the 'incremental annual increases' that nobody else gets. So their pay is never frozen.
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09/12/2020 12:25:05 14 1
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Sorry, have you been living under a stone for the last decade? Public Sector pay has been on a freeze for nine of the last ten years, no pay rises, inflation still running so in effect a pay cut.
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09/12/2020 12:33:41 13 1
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The incremental 'increases' only last a couple of years, but appointment is almost ALWAYS at the lowest point on the scale, at a level way below the market rate for the job and often only just above the minimum wage.

If public sector jobs are so attractive, why is staff turnover so high and why do newly qualified teachers and nurses rarely stay in the profession for more than a few years?
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09/12/2020 14:05:32 4 1
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wrong incremental increase are small and for a very few years, any other rises are performance related
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LH
10/12/2020 18:53:11 0 0
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You ARE joking! Incremental increases are NOT a 'given', especially in times of Budget Cuts!!!!!
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09/12/2020 12:20:24 24 7
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This HYS will, and has already attracted, the types of keyboard warriors who only exist to whine and who wouldn't last 5 minutes in a classroom before they went running, in tears, to their safe space.
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09/12/2020 12:41:57 10 26
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The only thing school does these days is promote 'sharing your feelings' and telling kids at 10 'changing sex is fine'.
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09/12/2020 12:10:24 2 11
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You are joking me, many many week off in summer lockdown not go enough for them. I work in NHS where's my day off from homeschool
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09/12/2020 13:01:27 3 0
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You chose your career.
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09/12/2020 12:11:12 0 6
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I thought the kids were suffering from having no schooling for weeks during lockdown. Just closing from 24/12 to 1/1 like the rest of us would have been a good idea for the kids and the teachers.
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09/12/2020 12:05:09 3 17
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
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09/12/2020 12:21:22 9 2
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Those who can't teach, slag off teachers on the internet.
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09/12/2020 12:09:12 1 0
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yes but they wont disagree or say no thanks, to short notice
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09/12/2020 12:22:00 0 1
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The Oracle speaks
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09/12/2020 10:52:57 48 46
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Absolute rubbish. They should be putting in extra days so pupils can catch up. This country has gone soft.
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09/12/2020 12:24:14 16 4
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You should sign up to help if you're that concerned.

Although I strongly suspect that you wouldn't last 3 mins in a classroom of thirty 14 year-olds, especially after reading your posts which largely consist of complaining about other people.