Rich countries hoarding Covid vaccines, says People's Vaccine Alliance
09/12/2020 | news | health | 934
Poorer nations will miss out despite steps to ensure access is fair, campaigners warn.
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09/12/2020 10:29:24 410 91
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Surely it's only fair that the countries that develop it and pay for it are the ones that have it first?
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09/12/2020 10:31:30 115 328
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Why?

Maybe that also means that it's only fair that those who can afford private health care are the first ones to have it, and those who can't afford it have to suffer restrictions for longer?
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09/12/2020 10:31:48 74 120
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If you are a developing nation you might think otherwise. Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them, what is fair about that? We invaded them, stole their resources, gave them borders drawn with a ruler and then we sold them guns. What is fair about any of that?
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09/12/2020 10:33:37 77 9
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This is too nuanced a subject for the responses likely to come this way.

Stand by for self-righteousness and a touch of light callousness.
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09/12/2020 10:53:21 10 1
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Fairness is not an ethical concept we can agree on

Life isn't fair in any human sense nor could it ever be - possibly good since all attempts at human meddling with "fairness" have tended to tie us up in knots and are exploited by the divisive to sow the seeds of disharmony

Just don't pretend you intend to be fair - as you really cannot be in everyone eyes and felt needs trump all these days
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09/12/2020 11:05:16 4 11
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What a truly horrible opinion!
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09/12/2020 11:14:36 4 3
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Do you want a future where countries won't share information about new diseases because that'll promptly be used by rich countries to make a profit for their pharmaceutical companies? Because that's surely never going to come back to bite the richer countries when the new virus spreads to them without warning.
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09/12/2020 11:04:29 4 3
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Is that actually a serious comment?!?!

Moderna - US, but i have shares and I'm in the UK, so I partly paid for it.
Pfiezer - Share held - investors all over the globe
Astra Zenica - the same.

By your logic, share holders like me should have it first?

YOU ARE TALKING NONESENSE.
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09/12/2020 11:26:11 6 5
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You unfortunately sum up everything that has gone wrong in our society.
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09/12/2020 11:26:25 8 4
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I'm 47, male, not sure if I have any underlying health conditions but slightly high blood pressure and a bit overweight. I'm not in any of the groups due for vaccination but have worked through the lockdowns at a medical supply company. I'd hope to get a jab from the UK's excess before someone is "donated" my jab...
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09/12/2020 11:33:49 3 1
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no it's not "only fair" that more people are dying because they were born in poor countries and unvaccinated while rich countries vaccinate people in lower risk groups before higher risk in poor countries
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09/12/2020 11:37:58 1 3
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What about putting you and your family at the end of the queue just to unfair
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09/12/2020 11:39:52 2 2
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No religion- and certainly not a humanist either! I'll happily pay for my vaccine(s) if it means someone less fortunate and in greater need of it can get a freebie.
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09/12/2020 11:42:34 3 2
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Read the article jeez. We have bought more vaccine than we physically need. Canada for example bought 5x its population in vaccine.
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09/12/2020 11:57:13 5 1
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In which case why is the UK getting the first doses when it was developed in Germany, by a Turk, and is manufactured in Belgium?
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09/12/2020 10:30:40 16 4
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That’s the way of the world
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09/12/2020 10:30:59 2 11
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Never!
Rich getting one over the poor. Of course.
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09/12/2020 10:29:24 410 91
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Surely it's only fair that the countries that develop it and pay for it are the ones that have it first?
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09/12/2020 10:31:30 115 328
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Why?

Maybe that also means that it's only fair that those who can afford private health care are the first ones to have it, and those who can't afford it have to suffer restrictions for longer?
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09/12/2020 10:49:59 46 8
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Is that a question or a statement? If it's a statement, I agree. Yup, those who live in the countries that paid millions to develop a vaccine should get it first.
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09/12/2020 10:57:17 0 4
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Both are fair.
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09/12/2020 11:04:42 5 4
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sounds a good idea. Otherwise what is the point of working hard and earning money?
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09/12/2020 11:11:16 16 1
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It doesn’t mean that at all. It means countries who developed a vaccine have a right to fix their own population first regardless of whether the individuals in their population can afford it or not. Charity begins at home.
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09/12/2020 11:11:26 3 1
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That's the whole point of private medicine, isn't it?
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09/12/2020 11:11:30 2 1
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Unfortunately that is the reality of the consumer orientated world we have created for ourselves. Hopefully we will all learn some valuable lessons from this whole Covid-19 experience.
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09/12/2020 11:16:38 5 5
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You won't mind if I call round and take your car today then, as I don't have one?
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09/12/2020 11:42:10 1 2
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I suspect you haven't followed any restrictions.
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09/12/2020 10:29:24 410 91
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Surely it's only fair that the countries that develop it and pay for it are the ones that have it first?
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09/12/2020 10:31:48 74 120
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If you are a developing nation you might think otherwise. Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them, what is fair about that? We invaded them, stole their resources, gave them borders drawn with a ruler and then we sold them guns. What is fair about any of that?
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09/12/2020 10:35:48 45 15
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Not sure you can apply that brush across all of history, but yes that has definitely happened in a lot of cases. It's in human's nature to prioritise self-interest over others'. Perhaps one day we'll be able to see ourselves as one species and one planet rather than self-interested tribes with arbitrary borders.
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09/12/2020 10:36:35 103 18
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That's a bit of a generalisation, most western countries have been exploited, conquered also, yet they are to blame for the worlds problems if you listen to every NGO out there. It's never anyone else's fault.

EVERYONE should get the vaccine but personally I don't think I should pay for corrupt governments elsewhere to vaccinate their own population.
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09/12/2020 10:40:13 91 54
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Oh dear. I think you need to rid yourself of our state indoctrinated brainwashing of fake history. We are rich because we made good decisions in our history. Most countries in the world today that are poor are so because they went down the socialism/communism route. Our empire actually cost us money.
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09/12/2020 10:46:18 101 20
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" Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them"

Name one ex-British colony in Africa that was wealthy and industrialised prior to colonisation, and is now impoverished and largely pre-industrial.
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09/12/2020 10:59:08 15 2
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A bit of a sweeping generalisation. Colonialism has played part in why some countries are still poor (and artificial borders haven't helped), but each country has since had varying degrees of success since then, due to the actions of their leaders and the people within them. Geography has also played a major factor for countries getting wealthier or poorer (e.g. lack of a sea or navigable river).
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09/12/2020 11:32:29 2 4
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I agree with you and I can't understand why you got so many thumbs down.
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09/12/2020 11:48:23 5 5
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It is well known fact that Western countries will get the first vaccine and poorer countries will be deprived. Most of these vaccine producing laboratories are resourced by the intelligent scientists from Asia and Africa, this is ofcourse is a form of exploitation of poorer nations.
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09/12/2020 10:32:04 4 22
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I wonder how Bill Gates is getting on with controlling the mind of Margaret Keenan from Coventry.

I dOnt want me DNA altERing m8. KeeP ur vaxinE.
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09/12/2020 10:33:29 8 2
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Unfortunately Gate's mind control program isnt working, a large update has caused the plan to freeze up :-)
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09/12/2020 10:44:29 3 1
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Yeah, cos if you're trying to control people, you always start with people who are at death's door and never really go anywhere or do anything.
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09/12/2020 10:32:22 8 7
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Surely they must realise that if you don't tackle it globally it will come back stronger and probably resistant to the vaccines we do have..
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09/12/2020 10:43:34 5 1
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No it won't. The virus will mutate anyway over time. This won't happen simply because certain parts of the world are less well vaccinated
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09/12/2020 10:32:24 10 21
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A fleeting look at the history of the British Empire is evidence enough of how richer, more powerful countries treat poorer, less economically developed ones. This isn't really news - more of a reminder of how little we've changed when we find ourselves in difficult circumstances.

Maybe it's not patriotic of me, but I'd rather be unpatriotic than kid myself.
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09/12/2020 10:40:46 5 7
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Well said.
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09/12/2020 10:42:41 3 3
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A lot of the world's poorer coutries were once part of the British Empire. They demanded to be independent, then they demand our assistance when things get tough.

As Bojo is finding out, you can't have it both ways. If you dislike the drawbacks and decide to leave, you can't get the benefits of being a part of what you left.
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09/12/2020 10:32:29 6 3
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This is true of everything else, why would vaccines be any different...
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09/12/2020 10:32:32 4 3
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For me the main reason we have a government at all is for this; to ensure some level of morality is applied in the face of self-interest of profit-driven organisations.
Let's hope a reasonable balance is achieved and it's administrated effectively.
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09/12/2020 10:33:00 176 2
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If 64% of UK manufactured vaccines are pledged to developing countries,surely the question is what are other manufacturing counties doing ?
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09/12/2020 10:35:51 152 6
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Exactly. China flogging it's vaccine to Africa and others, offering loans so they can 'afford' it
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09/12/2020 11:06:50 1 4
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Not sure what Nottinghamshire is doing?
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09/12/2020 13:42:43 5 0
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China's game is to indebt that country too them, when they can't pay they take a port, or an industrial zone or control a natural resource as payment, as they have done in Sri Lanka. We can forget co development in the developing countries we have too many sensibilities to compete with China in this respect.
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09/12/2020 10:33:12 12 8
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The idea of collective action is anathema to the libertarians in charge of the world at the moment.
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09/12/2020 10:33:26 9 24
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Says all you need to know about our greedy self-centred I’m alright Jack western world
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09/12/2020 10:32:04 4 22
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I wonder how Bill Gates is getting on with controlling the mind of Margaret Keenan from Coventry.

I dOnt want me DNA altERing m8. KeeP ur vaxinE.
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09/12/2020 10:33:29 8 2
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Unfortunately Gate's mind control program isnt working, a large update has caused the plan to freeze up :-)
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09/12/2020 10:29:24 410 91
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Surely it's only fair that the countries that develop it and pay for it are the ones that have it first?
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09/12/2020 10:33:37 77 9
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This is too nuanced a subject for the responses likely to come this way.

Stand by for self-righteousness and a touch of light callousness.
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09/12/2020 11:05:52 6 3
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"Stand by for self-righteousness"

I wonder if you can see the irony of your statement?
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09/12/2020 10:34:10 5 6
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Who'd have thought it?
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09/12/2020 10:34:13 3 10
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The plight of the nascent malaria vaccine highlights this perfectly.
Had malaria affected countries in Europe and North America we'd have seen a vaccine decades ago.
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09/12/2020 10:39:40 19 2
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So why is Indai spending billions on nuclear weapons and space rockets, rather than on developing a malaria vaccine?
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09/12/2020 10:34:46 35 15
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Like anything in life, if you can't pay for it, you aren't getting it.
Should make CHINA pay for the vaccines as the virus came from a wet market they have been told time and time again to clean up..
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09/12/2020 10:38:33 7 45
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"the virus came from a wet market "

Not much evidence to support that claim. It's smply that China was the first country to identify a new virus and bring it to our attention. They deservce our thanks for that, not our opprobrium.
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09/12/2020 10:44:11 6 5
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It's hilarious that we complain about what other cultures choose to eat.
The only reason we don't eat horse or dog is because they had more value as work horses/dogs.
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09/12/2020 10:47:07 1 4
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A 'wet market' is one that is hosed down regularly.
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09/12/2020 10:49:23 1 11
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you sound like that imbecile trump
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09/12/2020 10:34:56 76 11
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Would you expect the people and countries, who have developed these vaccines, top give them away to those who haven't at the expense of their own people?
Charity begins at home!
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09/12/2020 10:43:20 11 5
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Correction: "top" should read "to".
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09/12/2020 11:10:48 1 8
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"Charity begins at home!" Yes.
So having ordered more vaccine than we need to dose everyone here 5 times each, perhaps we should think about those for whom one dose is a month's pay?
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09/12/2020 12:24:28 0 3
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In my experience, another way to put 'charity begins at home' is, 'I'm alright, Jack'!
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09/12/2020 10:35:01 4 4
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We are a rich country...........no mention there of how many doses we have purchased??
We don't actually know if it's hoarding when the duration of protection remains undetermined.
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09/12/2020 10:31:48 74 120
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If you are a developing nation you might think otherwise. Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them, what is fair about that? We invaded them, stole their resources, gave them borders drawn with a ruler and then we sold them guns. What is fair about any of that?
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09/12/2020 10:35:48 45 15
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Not sure you can apply that brush across all of history, but yes that has definitely happened in a lot of cases. It's in human's nature to prioritise self-interest over others'. Perhaps one day we'll be able to see ourselves as one species and one planet rather than self-interested tribes with arbitrary borders.
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09/12/2020 10:37:22 20 8
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Oh i am not singling Britain out here, all western nations have a share of this, and it is commendable that we are assisting the world with our own vaccine.
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09/12/2020 10:33:00 176 2
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If 64% of UK manufactured vaccines are pledged to developing countries,surely the question is what are other manufacturing counties doing ?
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09/12/2020 10:35:51 152 6
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Exactly. China flogging it's vaccine to Africa and others, offering loans so they can 'afford' it
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09/12/2020 10:38:45 15 3
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Colonisation by stealth. Only the despots that line their pockets with money from China benefit. Hopefully the UK can distribute some of the Oxford vaccine, which is much easier to store and transport and a fraction of the price of the Pfizer one, to countries in need.
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09/12/2020 10:34:16 341 44
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More divisive BBC rubbish - Oxford-AstraZeneca have stated they will provide the doses at nil profit.
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09/12/2020 10:58:35 76 135
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But it's not about fair cost, it's about fair access
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09/12/2020 11:07:44 14 29
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Yes we know that. It's whether poorer countries can actually get hold of the vaccine.

But you knew that. You just wanted to have yet another thought-free dig at the BBC.
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09/12/2020 11:09:31 15 11
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This is not about profit, it's about how many doses of vaccine some countries have ordered. Some have ordered enough doses to vaccinate their whole population several times over are stopping others from getting enough vaccine for more than a fraction of their people. This will leave a reservoir of coronavirus in those populations, mutating until there's the current vaccines won't protect against.
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09/12/2020 11:27:49 31 12
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Exactly - anything to paint the West in general and the U.K. in particular in a bad light. BBC is a globalist organisation with a loathing for nation states and everything that binds their peoples together.
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09/12/2020 11:36:17 1 11
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But so far the big rich countries are at the front of the queue
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09/12/2020 11:43:06 5 8
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It's divisive to report facts? Ah some classic far-right nonsense right there.
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09/12/2020 11:59:47 2 7
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Far too many stupid Tory Bots commenting. They really are the lowest of the low!
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09/12/2020 12:08:52 3 5
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It's likely the vaccine offers temporary immunity, therefore it makes sense to ensure the virus doesn't come back from countries which have not been vaccinated.

So the far right need to come down off their self-righteous perch and look at what makes logical sense for once!

What's divisive about the BBC reporting the news? The logic of some people... sigh!
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09/12/2020 12:20:02 1 0
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Which is probably why they've stated such in the article?
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09/12/2020 12:20:05 0 0
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Yes, (and good for them), but that's not enough.
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09/12/2020 12:31:24 0 0
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In your dreams sunnie!
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09/12/2020 12:43:44 0 0
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I hear you, but in wokeworld the truth is never put before lies.
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09/12/2020 14:29:31 0 1
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its the usual leftie stuff. Theyre just playing to their willing audience
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09/12/2020 14:40:51 0 0
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And just how many of these countries can cope with the storage demands of the RNA vaccine? I doubt if many can cope with the required storage temperatures.
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09/12/2020 10:36:09 84 10
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In this case, I believe the countries with most economic / social damage should be prioritised. Vaccinating a poor country in say Africa, will make almost no difference to the world. Vaccinating US, UK etc will make a marked difference, and allow a lot more people to get back to normal life, and get the world economy moving. At that point resources can be used to fund the poorer countries.
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09/12/2020 11:11:35 7 52
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You say get back to normal life - your comfortable advantaged developed world life - which is colouring your view.
The west should be planning a 14 billion dose vaccination programme - giving everyone protection - that would do more to change the developing worlds view of us rather than making them pay.
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09/12/2020 11:47:56 1 3
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You could argue that it should be given to the southern hemisphere first. Vaccination in the next few months won't stop our 2nd and 3rd waves, but it might stop theirs, as they come into their winter.
In fact, if we vaccinate this spring, will the effect have worn off by the time we get to next winter?
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09/12/2020 10:36:31 7 16
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While we have nationalism and countries the world will always be unfair...
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09/12/2020 10:46:59 5 2
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I know it's so sad. Really people defining themselves by country or race. But I thought the whole Black Lives Matter indicates it's ok to define oneself by race.
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09/12/2020 10:36:34 7 7
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At the same time many living in the West complain they are hard done by. Whinging and constant negativity is like an illness and needs to be treated as such with some sort of therapy.
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09/12/2020 10:31:48 74 120
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If you are a developing nation you might think otherwise. Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them, what is fair about that? We invaded them, stole their resources, gave them borders drawn with a ruler and then we sold them guns. What is fair about any of that?
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09/12/2020 10:36:35 103 18
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That's a bit of a generalisation, most western countries have been exploited, conquered also, yet they are to blame for the worlds problems if you listen to every NGO out there. It's never anyone else's fault.

EVERYONE should get the vaccine but personally I don't think I should pay for corrupt governments elsewhere to vaccinate their own population.
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09/12/2020 10:47:51 89 8
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I blame all Britain's problems on the Roman Invasion.
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09/12/2020 10:59:47 9 8
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I agree with the outrage at obviously corrupt governments around the world ( Zimbabwe, Madagascar, some of the 'Stans' etc etc) but there are many many western governments who are extremely corrupt too but are just better at hiding it. You don't have to look too far from home either
So just because you think a few people in govt are corrupt then every innocent civilian should suffer
How sick and nasty are you
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09/12/2020 10:35:48 45 15
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Not sure you can apply that brush across all of history, but yes that has definitely happened in a lot of cases. It's in human's nature to prioritise self-interest over others'. Perhaps one day we'll be able to see ourselves as one species and one planet rather than self-interested tribes with arbitrary borders.
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09/12/2020 10:37:22 20 8
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Oh i am not singling Britain out here, all western nations have a share of this, and it is commendable that we are assisting the world with our own vaccine.
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09/12/2020 11:02:16 8 1
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Yeah, in truth history is so messy there are no "good" or "bad" guys to rally for (maybe the Nazis). At some point we just have to say "it is what it is" and just move on to a more collaborative world. Holding on to sins of the past won't help us move on.
As you say it's great to see us helping others with the vaccine, the planet is in this together
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09/12/2020 11:31:15 10 2
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"Oh i am not singling Britain out here, all western nations have a share of this"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires

There have been 7 recognised afghan empires, 16 Chinese, 16 Indian, 4 Egyptian, countless Persian etc etc.

Just because the most recent ones were Western don't think that others haven't had empires. When people have the ability to dominate others they take it.
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09/12/2020 10:37:50 6 15
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Of course they are, politicians are protecting their votes not their voters.
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09/12/2020 11:23:04 0 0
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We give them our votes, so by looking after their voters they are helping to protect themselves. Win-win situation
Like any new technology it's the early adopters that the majority of costs are recouped from.

They's nothing to say that this isn't the quickest method of getting vaccine to those who don't have the resources to develop it.
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09/12/2020 10:34:46 35 15
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Like anything in life, if you can't pay for it, you aren't getting it.
Should make CHINA pay for the vaccines as the virus came from a wet market they have been told time and time again to clean up..
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09/12/2020 10:38:33 7 45
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"the virus came from a wet market "

Not much evidence to support that claim. It's smply that China was the first country to identify a new virus and bring it to our attention. They deservce our thanks for that, not our opprobrium.
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09/12/2020 10:46:59 16 3
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Actually all evidence does point to China and they tried to suppress that information not 'bring it to our attention'. Doctors were pressured to be silent and the Doctor that did eventually make it public succumbed to the disease.

Given the low death rate, that's pretty unlikely, so quite a coincidence/bit of luck if you want to control narrative.

At least Luke (PRC bot) is on message.
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09/12/2020 10:48:24 15 2
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Utter rubbish. Doctors in China tried to warn the World. The Chinese Govt responded by silencing them via imprisonment or murder!
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09/12/2020 10:42:28 1 9
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Trump said so. so it must be right
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09/12/2020 13:27:48 1 0
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Oh please ! ‘They sprung it to our attention!’ After disappearing doctors who tried to let us know what was coming, reality check for Luke please.
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09/12/2020 10:39:08 5 24
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Here we go...it's Gammon Time!
It's mat, it's tosser time... Removed
Dickhead.. Removed
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09/12/2020 10:57:40 1 1
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Here we go....it's snowflake time!
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09/12/2020 11:13:57 1 1
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Prat.
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09/12/2020 10:39:14 262 10
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One can only hoard if one actually has possession of the subject matter in question.
Peoples Vaccine Alliance has issued an incorrect statement . Obviously Richer countries have ORDERED & paid for more vaccines than poorer countries but are not hording them as they do not actually have them at this time.
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09/12/2020 10:43:58 82 26
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Our governments are hedging their bets on the results of trials and ensuring that these trials are fully funded. If it turns out we have over-ordered then we MUST make the surplus available to poorer countries
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09/12/2020 11:08:53 8 2
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Absolutely correct. Many of the journalists now used by the BBC have a poor command of English vocabulary. I also saw 'orbit' appearing in place of 'ambit' the other day: there is a significant diffference between the two!
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09/12/2020 11:21:47 2 3
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Plus a lot of 'poorer' countries haven't been hit so hard by covid. And how many are going to have resuscitation equipment on standby when they administer it? Does the Oxford vaccine have similar issues to the Pfizer?
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09/12/2020 12:10:40 1 10
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It's likely the vaccine offers temporary immunity, therefore it makes sense to ensure the virus doesn't come back from countries which have not been vaccinated.

So the far right need to come down off their self-righteous perch and look at what makes logical sense for once!

What's divisive about the BBC reporting the news? The logic of some people... sigh!
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09/12/2020 10:34:13 3 10
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The plight of the nascent malaria vaccine highlights this perfectly.
Had malaria affected countries in Europe and North America we'd have seen a vaccine decades ago.
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09/12/2020 10:39:40 19 2
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So why is Indai spending billions on nuclear weapons and space rockets, rather than on developing a malaria vaccine?
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09/12/2020 10:45:39 1 8
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The poor not helping the poor doesn't excuse the rich not helping the poor.
And this gies way beyong India.
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09/12/2020 10:50:44 3 3
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To deter their nuclear armed neighbour, China, over which they have clashed over borders recently after China annexed and militarised a disputed region.

What next Luke, a spirited defence of China's militarisation of the South China Sea.

A bold statement that the Falun Gong & Uighurs want their organs to be removed and sold to other people before they've finished using them.
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09/12/2020 10:31:48 74 120
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If you are a developing nation you might think otherwise. Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them, what is fair about that? We invaded them, stole their resources, gave them borders drawn with a ruler and then we sold them guns. What is fair about any of that?
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09/12/2020 10:40:13 91 54
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Oh dear. I think you need to rid yourself of our state indoctrinated brainwashing of fake history. We are rich because we made good decisions in our history. Most countries in the world today that are poor are so because they went down the socialism/communism route. Our empire actually cost us money.
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09/12/2020 10:47:31 14 12
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"Our empire actually cost us money."

So not a "good decision" after all, it appears.
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09/12/2020 10:58:52 7 35
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I've never read so much rubbish, the empire became very rich through exploitation of weaker countries not because we made "good decisions". Read your history.
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09/12/2020 11:04:40 5 2
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Ha, yet another with such polarised views. All nations in history have made both good and bad decisions, why does it have to be fully one way or the other?
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09/12/2020 11:07:41 12 3
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So China, a Communist country is poor?
Try the USA where over 40% of the population cannot get decent healthcare. The USA is the most capitalist country in the world yet it has vast disparities between the greedy and the impoverished.
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09/12/2020 10:40:20 91 6
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It does miss the point that we are also more vulnerable to this virus in comparison to poorer countries.
63
09/12/2020 10:45:47 11 70
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How so? We do have more very old people but also fewer people living in densely populated areas and everyone has access to soap and water here.
83
09/12/2020 10:49:57 14 2
bbc
Very true. Most African countries hardly have covid cases at the moment and their populations are much younger
288
09/12/2020 11:26:17 14 1
bbc
Yes good point.

Poor countries do not have the large cohort of medically vulnerable people we do. Which is the only cohort COVID19 is a serious danger to.

These people need constant medical support, in poor countries they have mostly died already. Just a fact.

PLUS a lot of the poorer African countries are hot all the time, which COVID does not seem to like.
441
09/12/2020 11:53:59 7 4
bbc
And thats what we get for being a nation of fat b%*+#ds
687
09/12/2020 12:55:37 2 0
bbc
Facts are irrelevant when your on warp-speed virtuesignalling even though I’d bet a penny to a pound the majority see no ‘virtue’ in the wokeist ideals the BBC always push.
38
09/12/2020 10:40:24 121 9
bbc
Yeah, so?

If I make a batch of biscuits, I want the first one!
316
09/12/2020 11:31:08 10 96
bbc
That attitude never stopped the British from taking the first and best batches of produce "made" by plantations in its empire.
353
09/12/2020 11:38:56 2 1
bbc
I'd want the last one. As long as it isn't stale.
714
09/12/2020 13:22:33 1 3
bbc
Nice flippant comment about peoples lives - because you can really compare the two.
8
09/12/2020 10:32:24 10 21
bbc
A fleeting look at the history of the British Empire is evidence enough of how richer, more powerful countries treat poorer, less economically developed ones. This isn't really news - more of a reminder of how little we've changed when we find ourselves in difficult circumstances.

Maybe it's not patriotic of me, but I'd rather be unpatriotic than kid myself.
39
09/12/2020 10:40:46 5 7
bbc
Well said.
40
09/12/2020 10:41:07 147 11
bbc
Almost every other nation looks after their own interests first. Why are we an exception?
179
09/12/2020 11:06:24 131 21
bbc
Because we take far too much notice of hand-wringing idiots bleating about a completely imaginary "duty" to help everyone else, and put "others" before ourselves. Don't see a lot of that in other nations and it's time it stopped here, too. We've more than done our bit for other nations - time they stood on their own two feet, as it were.
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09/12/2020 11:41:46 2 18
bbc
We're not. When has this country ever done anything other than look after its own interests first?
But people are entitled to think that we shouldn't do that, and call for us to behave a bit better, along with all the other countries. If that happened, we wouldn't be an exception then, either.
511
09/12/2020 12:13:41 3 3
bbc
because hoarding is wrong in any situation.
678
09/12/2020 12:50:29 3 0
bbc
We arnt, it’s the wokeists that demand we should be, they are confirmed cerebrally challenged.
41
09/12/2020 10:41:22 326 55
bbc
Jumping the gun, hardly any vaccines have yet been produced and they are saying rich countries are hoarding. Don't really expect anything better from the BBC these days.
62
09/12/2020 10:45:40 43 114
bbc
If you can openly declare you have 5 times what is needed, then you have more than you need
194
09/12/2020 11:09:01 14 12
bbc
Grow up. The BBC are reporting what an organisation have said.
352
09/12/2020 11:38:52 24 3
bbc
Indeed - Plus if we'd given the first batches to a poorer country, the BBC would be accusing us of using them as guinea pigs.
Hey Tommygunn rather than pushing your anti-BBC agenda why don't you actually read the article. Fool. Removed
489
09/12/2020 12:09:10 3 0
bbc
Agreed. This is a ridiculously early claim and a non-story.

Let's see in six months time whether rich countries have collectively over-ordered and where the balance goes.
493
09/12/2020 12:09:41 3 5
bbc
It's likely the vaccine offers temporary immunity, therefore it makes sense to ensure the virus doesn't come back from countries which have not been vaccinated.

So the far right need to come down off their self-righteous perch and look at what makes logical sense for once!

What's divisive about the BBC reporting the news? The logic of some people... sigh!
601
09/12/2020 12:35:53 2 0
bbc
The bbc at best is bad at worst totally dishonest and starting rows for the public to argue over shame on you defund asap
644
09/12/2020 12:55:14 3 0
bbc
....and of course the BBC only open up HYS comments on the most divisive of subjects that form part of their agenda....a quick look at http://www.ihysdb.com/ confirms this. Funny how not much prominence or HYS coverage is given to the Kate Burley/Beth Rigsby saga given how many times the opened HYS comments on Cummings
703
09/12/2020 13:16:55 0 0
bbc
....or rich Countries.
822
09/12/2020 14:30:34 0 1
bbc
youre missing the point. The BBC love a story they can put up which gets the Marxists jumping up and down
42
09/12/2020 10:42:06 126 9
bbc
Whilst I do find it amusing the BBC is implying that any excess doses will not be provided to poorer county as someone from a "Rich Country" I'd hope our government would be prioritising its own people first.

And I hope the unpopular 0.7% Foreign Aid budget is used to provide vaccinations for aid-recipient countries rather than general taxation.

Cancel Away!
383
09/12/2020 11:44:28 75 0
bbc
Are the BBC also implying that vaccines shouldn't be given to countries that need them but should instead be sent to poorer countries regardless?

Interesting fact: the WHOLE of Africa (population 1.3bn) has had fewer recorded deaths from Covid than the UK (population 68m).

Yesterday the WHOLE of Africa recorded 13k new cases. The UK recorded 12k new cases.
410
09/12/2020 11:48:00 4 16
bbc
Cancel culture doesn't exist, grow up. People disagreeing with you isn't "cancel culture", it's just right wingers being snowflakes and not liking that people disagree with them so they have to make up some persecution complex and cry about being repressed.
575
09/12/2020 12:26:34 2 7
bbc
The BBC are not 'implying' anything they are reporting what someone else is saying. Try addressing the story rather than having another snide go at the BBC.
730
09/12/2020 13:29:39 2 0
bbc
give them the vaccine not cash!! they cannot convert vaccine to cash easily??
43
09/12/2020 10:42:27 115 12
bbc
This story has all the hallmarks of lazy journalism. To distribute to poor countries, rich countries will need to earmark stocks so my suspicion is that there is a lot more to this story than is revealed by the simple stats. Completely unnecessary scaremongering from the BBC who, of course, went to the other extreme yesterday with its hyperbolic coverage of the first round of vaccinations.
204
09/12/2020 10:58:15 70 5
bbc
Nearly all BBC reporting now has the hallmarks of lazy journalism! But they are not the only offenders, not much proper researching done in the newspapers either, which are all biased one way or another.
557
09/12/2020 12:12:10 2 0
bbc
"This story has all the hallmarks of lazy journalism."

You must be new here...
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09/12/2020 10:42:39 179 13
bbc
My question anyone going to give up their vaccine for someone in Africa/Developing Countries?

It's all good having a moral high ground but I'll have my vaccine please.
110
09/12/2020 10:54:37 15 89
bbc
Me
166
09/12/2020 11:04:13 1 8
bbc
We've ordered 355 million doses so far.
No-one here needs to go without - we've booked enough for nearly six doses each.
168
09/12/2020 11:04:31 28 6
bbc
Pumping money/cures/medicine into Africa has done absolutely nothing except explode their birth rates.
342
09/12/2020 11:37:54 2 5
bbc
A teacher in Uganda can have mine (as long as he pays postage, I suppose): I've always been saying I'm low-risk.

And it'll help check for the side effects we don't yet know about, before I really need it.
350
09/12/2020 11:38:31 2 2
bbc
Any of those who don't want the vaccine (for whatever reason) will. There seem to be rather a lot of those in some countries, so Africa may not have to miss out.
There might be some complaints about testing it on Africans, though.
388
09/12/2020 11:45:05 0 5
bbc
Why are you lot so bad at reading the article. They are buying more vaccine than they have people. No-one is giving up their vaccine you doofus. It's the fact we are buying way above what we actually require. Read the article before you comment.
456
09/12/2020 11:59:18 0 3
bbc
Me
500
09/12/2020 12:11:09 0 3
bbc
It's likely the vaccine offers temporary immunity, therefore it makes sense to ensure the virus doesn't come back from countries which have not been vaccinated.

So the far right need to come down off their self-righteous perch and look at what makes logical sense for once!

What's divisive about the BBC reporting the news? The logic of some people... sigh!
505
09/12/2020 12:11:32 0 2
bbc
me too
593
09/12/2020 12:32:48 1 3
bbc
The only people globally who should be getting the vaccine in the early stages should be those from vulnerable groups. I am more likely to die tripping and falling down the stairs on my way to lunch just now than dying of Covid so yes, please send my vaccine to someone vulnerable no matter what country they are in.
672
09/12/2020 12:48:43 1 0
bbc
For many years now, anything this country gives away/ donates is borrowed money, more so now than ever, I expect the SJW cabal to stop the lies/spin re ‘Starving British children’ and their other ‘unfair drivel’ whilst they pick up on this particular ‘item,’ in hope only !
926
10/12/2020 10:34:33 0 0
bbc
In Central Africa, a lot of effort goes into civil was and inter-factional conflict, but not a lot into improving their own lot.
It could mean that vaccine distribution gets dragged into it.
Ultimately though, getting vaccines needs to be a global issue or Covid will always be a threat worldwide.
8
09/12/2020 10:32:24 10 21
bbc
A fleeting look at the history of the British Empire is evidence enough of how richer, more powerful countries treat poorer, less economically developed ones. This isn't really news - more of a reminder of how little we've changed when we find ourselves in difficult circumstances.

Maybe it's not patriotic of me, but I'd rather be unpatriotic than kid myself.
45
09/12/2020 10:42:41 3 3
bbc
A lot of the world's poorer coutries were once part of the British Empire. They demanded to be independent, then they demand our assistance when things get tough.

As Bojo is finding out, you can't have it both ways. If you dislike the drawbacks and decide to leave, you can't get the benefits of being a part of what you left.
120
09/12/2020 10:56:21 2 4
bbc
But arguably, if we hadn't helped ourselves to all their precious artifacts, gems, materials etc and had 10s of thousands of their young men die in European trenches in world wars then maybe they wouldn't have a reason to ask for/need help.

Bigger picture - we have a history of treating people horribly, and they have a right to their independence from warmongering European countries.
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09/12/2020 10:34:56 76 11
bbc
Would you expect the people and countries, who have developed these vaccines, top give them away to those who haven't at the expense of their own people?
Charity begins at home!
46
09/12/2020 10:43:20 11 5
bbc
Correction: "top" should read "to".
47
09/12/2020 10:43:24 220 9
bbc
The vaccine has been available for a fraction of time. Those countries who spent millions developing it have only just started the roll out to the most vulnerable... now they're being accused of hoarding???
133
09/12/2020 10:57:48 146 21
bbc
Well, it's a BBC story so that might be a bit of a clue ...!
48
09/12/2020 10:43:27 163 10
bbc
"The people's vaccine alliance"

Even the name makes me shudder
60
09/12/2020 10:45:23 98 4
bbc
It sounds like a made up name for a made up organisation
122
09/12/2020 10:56:30 18 1
bbc
Anything to do with the Tooting Popular Front?
153
09/12/2020 11:00:25 13 1
bbc
sounds like a dystopian global USSR dealy
220
09/12/2020 11:13:46 14 1
bbc
There is an official organisation.
The world health organisation who is the one that will organise vaccinations in countries that cannot afford it.

This one seems to be a campaigning group.
223
09/12/2020 11:14:20 0 1
bbc
Yes, I expect it does.
243
09/12/2020 11:17:30 5 1
bbc
I thought it was 'the vaccine people's alliance'
328
09/12/2020 11:34:51 8 1
bbc
at least the PVA would stick together well
337
09/12/2020 11:36:54 0 1
bbc
Strange people out there now
492
09/12/2020 12:09:39 0 0
bbc
You've only got to look at the constituent parts to know what their complaints will be.
533
09/12/2020 12:17:06 1 0
bbc
I can't find a website for them. Come forth Peoples Vaccine Alliance! Sounds like something a SJW would dream up the second this came about just to make money. Article says many organizations are affiliated, but nothing on the web other than this news story across various platforms.
677
09/12/2020 12:49:36 0 0
bbc
They’ll be all over the ‘fraudcasters’ for days friend, sorry
7
09/12/2020 10:32:22 8 7
bbc
Surely they must realise that if you don't tackle it globally it will come back stronger and probably resistant to the vaccines we do have..
49
09/12/2020 10:43:34 5 1
bbc
No it won't. The virus will mutate anyway over time. This won't happen simply because certain parts of the world are less well vaccinated
34
09/12/2020 10:39:14 262 10
bbc
One can only hoard if one actually has possession of the subject matter in question.
Peoples Vaccine Alliance has issued an incorrect statement . Obviously Richer countries have ORDERED & paid for more vaccines than poorer countries but are not hording them as they do not actually have them at this time.
50
09/12/2020 10:43:58 82 26
bbc
Our governments are hedging their bets on the results of trials and ensuring that these trials are fully funded. If it turns out we have over-ordered then we MUST make the surplus available to poorer countries
159
09/12/2020 11:02:05 8 1
bbc
Fair point but we wont have any surplus until we have had at least 130 million doses, so there is a wait
206
09/12/2020 11:10:04 11 1
bbc
Until the trials are complete the orders are irrelevant. The surplus could be a vaccine that has side effects. Do you want to send that to these people.
253
09/12/2020 11:19:56 17 2
bbc
Our governments are doing exactly what they were elected to do.
The first duty of any government is to look after it citizens.
18
09/12/2020 10:34:46 35 15
bbc
Like anything in life, if you can't pay for it, you aren't getting it.
Should make CHINA pay for the vaccines as the virus came from a wet market they have been told time and time again to clean up..
51
09/12/2020 10:44:11 6 5
bbc
It's hilarious that we complain about what other cultures choose to eat.
The only reason we don't eat horse or dog is because they had more value as work horses/dogs.
219
09/12/2020 11:13:34 5 1
bbc
I'm not complaining what other cultures choose to eat. I eat liver and sometimes rabbit and I'm sure some people would be disgusted at that. All I'm saying is evidence suggested at the beginning of covid that the source was this wet market, and has historically been the source of other sars viruses too.
6
09/12/2020 10:32:04 4 22
bbc
I wonder how Bill Gates is getting on with controlling the mind of Margaret Keenan from Coventry.

I dOnt want me DNA altERing m8. KeeP ur vaxinE.
52
09/12/2020 10:44:29 3 1
bbc
Yeah, cos if you're trying to control people, you always start with people who are at death's door and never really go anywhere or do anything.
53
09/12/2020 10:44:32 3 22
bbc
I’m not sure what angers me more
Comments or the way things are done
As the Government makes cuts to foreign aid, whilst stuffing their faces at taxpayers expense...
It is things like these that bite you back eventually
Africa controlled Ebola, despite being one of the poorest nations
If this was as bad a crisis, why is anyone profiting?
It makes no sense to hold solutions ransom
Madness
75
09/12/2020 10:48:52 8 2
bbc
No one is holding anyone ransom, the vaccine is newer than the PS5.

And Africa isn't a nation.
92
09/12/2020 10:46:09 5 1
bbc
Western medical teams generally controlled Ebola.
54
09/12/2020 10:44:36 61 4
bbc
Predictable that the chuggers would seize on a fresh cause to enjoy trendy outrage about, despite as the article points out, more than generous provision already having been made. We could potentially parlay vaccine availability to the developing world to push down their export prices for farmed goods, fuel, and minerals we need to boost our post Covid and post Brexit economy.
694
09/12/2020 12:59:32 5 3
bbc
I wonder if ‘Beff’ and Sophie virtue signalled over this point whilst quaffing feen ween and food at the top London eateries they openly broke covid rules at?
722
09/12/2020 13:25:56 1 0
bbc
Oxfam generate tens of millions of pounds a year. They could afford to pay for some vaccinations in poor countries.
734
09/12/2020 13:31:58 1 0
bbc
Pity we don't.
Where was the benefit of 0.7% foreign aid? Camoron?
23
09/12/2020 10:35:51 152 6
bbc
Exactly. China flogging it's vaccine to Africa and others, offering loans so they can 'afford' it
55
09/12/2020 10:38:45 15 3
bbc
Colonisation by stealth. Only the despots that line their pockets with money from China benefit. Hopefully the UK can distribute some of the Oxford vaccine, which is much easier to store and transport and a fraction of the price of the Pfizer one, to countries in need.
56
09/12/2020 10:40:41 8 2
bbc
Cannot be the UK then as thought we were in debt up to our eyeballs
57
09/12/2020 10:44:57 4 31
bbc
Of course they are

What would you expect from countries that cut overseas aid

Just like this Tory one
103
09/12/2020 10:53:55 2 1
bbc
You do seem to have a remarkably Anglo-centric view of the world.
112
09/12/2020 10:54:51 1 1
bbc
For goodness sake, stop trying to turn this into a political weapon. This Covid pandemic is serious and just in case you haven't realised yet, it also kills people. Politics has no place here.
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MM
09/12/2020 10:58:01 1 1
bbc
Rubbish
158
09/12/2020 11:02:03 3 1
bbc
The uk still pays the 3rd highest proportion of it's GDP on foreign aid. It had also funded the development of the Oxford vaccine and promised that if it is approved it will be provided on a not for profit basis to the World.
Well done UK. If only the other 200 countries were as generous as the UK in giving foreign aid.
There is more than enough evidence that overseas aid does not work. If it did, then those countries in receipt of it for so many decades would now be successful and no longer require "aid." Technology, know-how and indeed examples elsewhere in the world show the way, but these third-world nations are too lazy or corrupt to help themselves. Can't even pipe water to their villages! Removed
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Leo
09/12/2020 10:45:08 63 4
bbc
If the rich countries are paying for the research/development why should they not be keeping it for their own people first? Why is there this assumption that poor countries should get it a head of the citizens/taxpayers that paid for it?

As I u/stand it, as an act of charity (and self interest) poor countries will be given it free, or cheaply.
59
09/12/2020 10:45:20 74 3
bbc
Ordering is not hoarding!

When the Oxford vaccine is rolled out it is a fraction of the price of others. It will be possible to manufacture it on license in other countries if necessary.
391
09/12/2020 11:45:27 25 1
bbc
A very worthy idea - share the vaccine - but totally naive.

Rich and powerful countries will get it first. If sent to poorer countries it would first get used by the rich and powerful locally.

Oxford have the right approach - sell it at cost. But don't pretend that the priorities will change.
631
09/12/2020 12:48:33 0 0
bbc
Exactly, job done!
48
09/12/2020 10:43:27 163 10
bbc
"The people's vaccine alliance"

Even the name makes me shudder
60
09/12/2020 10:45:23 98 4
bbc
It sounds like a made up name for a made up organisation
307
09/12/2020 11:30:02 1 4
bbc
Most names are "made up" as are most organisations.

:-D

You are welcome.
824
09/12/2020 14:30:56 0 0
bbc
no doubt all those in the Alliance will be doing everything they do for free-and without "expenses"
35
09/12/2020 10:39:40 19 2
bbc
So why is Indai spending billions on nuclear weapons and space rockets, rather than on developing a malaria vaccine?
61
09/12/2020 10:45:39 1 8
bbc
The poor not helping the poor doesn't excuse the rich not helping the poor.
And this gies way beyong India.
41
09/12/2020 10:41:22 326 55
bbc
Jumping the gun, hardly any vaccines have yet been produced and they are saying rich countries are hoarding. Don't really expect anything better from the BBC these days.
62
09/12/2020 10:45:40 43 114
bbc
If you can openly declare you have 5 times what is needed, then you have more than you need
93
09/12/2020 10:51:58 15 3
bbc
So if you have 5 times what you need what are you going to do with it? Inject the same people 5 times or give it to someone else?
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09/12/2020 10:54:07 38 1
bbc
The U.K. doesn’t have to take up all preorders. Extra was ordered in case certain vaccines were unviable.
What we don’t need will be bought by another country further down the list.
162
09/12/2020 11:02:42 15 3
bbc
Yeah mate! I bet for every £5 you earn you give £1 to charity don't you.
228
09/12/2020 11:14:39 27 2
bbc
Nobody HAS 5 times what they need. They have only made contingency plans by ordering large quantities. This is good sense given the current effect of Covid-19 on everybody's lives.
276
09/12/2020 11:24:50 14 1
bbc
IF... all the vaccines reach approval they'll have x5 what they need. They won't and I'm sure any excess will be put back into circulation if at all possible. They could still end up without sufficient supplies.
404
09/12/2020 11:47:16 13 1
bbc
I think it's a bit early to tell, only 1 vaccine in 1 country has been passed by regulators. What the "rich" countries have done is agree to pay for a series of vaccines whether they work or not so that they are developed, so yes they ordered more than they needed, but they merely backed more horses. I'm pretty sure the same western democracies will be part financing the poor countries vaccines.
477
09/12/2020 12:05:28 5 0
bbc
We haven't got anything yet. Prospective orders and orders complete are two different things.

The point you've completely missed is the government didn't know which if any of those vaccines would work or be approved and some of them may not yet.
584
09/12/2020 12:29:45 1 0
bbc
Read the article! Canada does not HAVE 5 times what is needed. It doesn't even exist yet in those quantities. Bleat bleat bleat. Irony of course is that the poorer countries have younger populations who are not impacted in the same way - check out the stats.
586
09/12/2020 12:30:33 2 0
bbc
What if you have ordered 5 times what is needed, but dont know how long delivery will take or even whether all the vaccines on order will be approved.
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OwO
09/12/2020 13:01:05 1 0
bbc
We don't know how viable they all are at the point of ordering (see allergy concerns on the Pfizer vaccine); it's impossible to say even now if we definitely have enough of all of them.

This is a new vaccine. Some people will always get it before others. Why should those that have developed it be forced to wait until last?
692
09/12/2020 12:58:29 1 1
bbc
They've ordered vaccises from every promising developer.
That doesn't mean they have them, or they will actually ask for delivery.
I have no doubt much of the vaccine ordered but not needed will go directly to poorer nations, at a cost to the original nation ordering it & with that nation supplying the expertise & often the equipment needed to use it.
699
09/12/2020 13:14:39 2 0
bbc
It's not known or wasn't at time of order if the vaccines work, what age group or even how many doses are needed. Its not known if covid vac will be 6 monthly etc.
Think it's called not putting all your eggs in one basket.
712
09/12/2020 13:21:07 2 1
bbc
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE VACINE!! THEY HAVE ORDERED IT,, FROM MANY PLACES ,,(CALLED INSURANCE?)
792
09/12/2020 14:07:17 0 0
bbc
I believe the fact is they have ordered 5 times what is needed, not that they are hoarding that amount. Perhaps if the first ones don't work they'll be pleased to have a back-up.
897
09/12/2020 16:51:07 0 0
bbc
Ordered not in stock
37
09/12/2020 10:40:20 91 6
bbc
It does miss the point that we are also more vulnerable to this virus in comparison to poorer countries.
63
09/12/2020 10:45:47 11 70
bbc
How so? We do have more very old people but also fewer people living in densely populated areas and everyone has access to soap and water here.
99
09/12/2020 10:52:58 22 1
bbc
Look at the stats! Which are the countries with the highest death rates.
440
09/12/2020 11:53:52 7 0
bbc
Yes, everyone has access to soap and water in the UK, so how is it then that the UK (population 68m) has more recorded deaths from covid than the WHOLE of Africa (population 1.3bn).
African countries aren't all in various stages of lockdowns. They haven't all closed their economies. The whole African continent had roughly same number of new cases yesterday as the UK did.
721
09/12/2020 13:24:51 1 2
bbc
Having stupid ukgov doesn't help.
Multiple other countries have shown less deaths, less economic damage.
Ukgov managed to deliver worst of both worlds.
See Taiwan, s Korea, Japan (older, more crowded and twice UK population), ozz, nz.
Vietnam managed track n trace.
Taiwan etc actually shut their borders.
Ukgov had month(s) to watch, learn, copy, improve and World beating failure.
64
09/12/2020 10:46:04 15 4
bbc
Well good.

It is not like they have any problem. With their younger demographic it just is no big deal. Not like the bbc has run stories of mass death rates in anywhere outside the 'rich' countries. They do not need it particularly.
5
09/12/2020 10:31:48 74 120
bbc
If you are a developing nation you might think otherwise. Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them, what is fair about that? We invaded them, stole their resources, gave them borders drawn with a ruler and then we sold them guns. What is fair about any of that?
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09/12/2020 10:46:18 101 20
bbc
" Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them"

Name one ex-British colony in Africa that was wealthy and industrialised prior to colonisation, and is now impoverished and largely pre-industrial.
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09/12/2020 10:52:15 6 16
bbc
No, you seem to imply this is something to debate. It is not. There are worldviews that try to incorporate a given individuals cognitive dissonance (i am british and a nice person therefore...) however they are simply worldviews. To suggest the British empire did not exploit other countries is simply incorrect. I am not lambasting Britain, we were all at it. Denying the fact is not helpful.
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09/12/2020 11:07:01 7 1
bbc
Don't get me wrong, the British were very bad but not the worst - think railways in India for infrastructure. The French empire on the other hand were horrendous - same analogy of railways. They left a single railway line in Madagascar, now one of the poorest countries in the world. Similar with Cambodia. And then the Belgians... don't even go there!
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09/12/2020 11:18:34 2 3
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Egypt.
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09/12/2020 10:36:31 7 16
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While we have nationalism and countries the world will always be unfair...
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Leo
09/12/2020 10:46:59 5 2
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I know it's so sad. Really people defining themselves by country or race. But I thought the whole Black Lives Matter indicates it's ok to define oneself by race.
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09/12/2020 10:38:33 7 45
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"the virus came from a wet market "

Not much evidence to support that claim. It's smply that China was the first country to identify a new virus and bring it to our attention. They deservce our thanks for that, not our opprobrium.
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09/12/2020 10:46:59 16 3
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Actually all evidence does point to China and they tried to suppress that information not 'bring it to our attention'. Doctors were pressured to be silent and the Doctor that did eventually make it public succumbed to the disease.

Given the low death rate, that's pretty unlikely, so quite a coincidence/bit of luck if you want to control narrative.

At least Luke (PRC bot) is on message.
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09/12/2020 10:34:46 35 15
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Like anything in life, if you can't pay for it, you aren't getting it.
Should make CHINA pay for the vaccines as the virus came from a wet market they have been told time and time again to clean up..
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09/12/2020 10:47:07 1 4
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A 'wet market' is one that is hosed down regularly.
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09/12/2020 10:40:13 91 54
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Oh dear. I think you need to rid yourself of our state indoctrinated brainwashing of fake history. We are rich because we made good decisions in our history. Most countries in the world today that are poor are so because they went down the socialism/communism route. Our empire actually cost us money.
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09/12/2020 10:47:31 14 12
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"Our empire actually cost us money."

So not a "good decision" after all, it appears.
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IJB
09/12/2020 10:47:37 93 6
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Very poor quality journalism, it hasn't taken long for the media to produce negativity around the vaccine, if the UK stockpiles to save UK lives so be it
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09/12/2020 11:37:25 64 2
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If the government had not bought all these vaccines at risk, the bbc would be bleating on about how the government was not prepared...
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09/12/2020 13:26:23 1 0
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Guess bbc lovvies will be queuing up to forgo their vaccination.
D Attenborough and Queen ie first to donate!!
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09/12/2020 10:36:35 103 18
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That's a bit of a generalisation, most western countries have been exploited, conquered also, yet they are to blame for the worlds problems if you listen to every NGO out there. It's never anyone else's fault.

EVERYONE should get the vaccine but personally I don't think I should pay for corrupt governments elsewhere to vaccinate their own population.
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09/12/2020 10:47:51 89 8
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I blame all Britain's problems on the Roman Invasion.
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CJR
09/12/2020 10:51:07 2 20
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What a very helpful and informative comment Not.
Was it break time at school when you posted?
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09/12/2020 11:28:59 6 1
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I blame the Normans (Norsemen).
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09/12/2020 11:50:51 2 0
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Are you sure it wasn't the Saxons, or even the Normans though?
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09/12/2020 10:38:33 7 45
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"the virus came from a wet market "

Not much evidence to support that claim. It's smply that China was the first country to identify a new virus and bring it to our attention. They deservce our thanks for that, not our opprobrium.
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09/12/2020 10:48:24 15 2
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Utter rubbish. Doctors in China tried to warn the World. The Chinese Govt responded by silencing them via imprisonment or murder!
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09/12/2020 11:16:54 2 1
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I was referring to Chinese government, never mentioned the Drs
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09/12/2020 10:48:31 111 4
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Hoarding is hanging on to something and not using it.

At the moment available vaccine is being used. That’s not hoarding!
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09/12/2020 10:58:22 43 0
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It is also called Disaster Planning....
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09/12/2020 10:59:42 1 6
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Ordering 355 million doses for UK use might be, if we don't donate the excess.
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09/12/2020 10:48:51 2 9
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That picture of Margaret Keenan being given the vaccine by May Parsons... every time I see it, it looks as if May is about to hit her with a backhand! I know she is just showing where the vaccine will go but... It's an odd picture.

This whole thing has felt like a chance for humanity to rethink it's ways. But it's a massive fail. It's now a vaccine for profit and not for people...
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09/12/2020 10:50:30 9 2
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clearly its a vaccine for people - it's not an ornament is it? But companies want to turn a profit and I don't blame them for that. WELL DONE UKGOV because you put people before money
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09/12/2020 10:44:32 3 22
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I’m not sure what angers me more
Comments or the way things are done
As the Government makes cuts to foreign aid, whilst stuffing their faces at taxpayers expense...
It is things like these that bite you back eventually
Africa controlled Ebola, despite being one of the poorest nations
If this was as bad a crisis, why is anyone profiting?
It makes no sense to hold solutions ransom
Madness
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09/12/2020 10:48:52 8 2
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No one is holding anyone ransom, the vaccine is newer than the PS5.

And Africa isn't a nation.
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mat
09/12/2020 10:39:08 5 24
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Here we go...it's Gammon Time!
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MM
bbc
It's mat, it's tosser time... Removed
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09/12/2020 10:49:05 5 4
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I thought China had offered to pay for it all?
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09/12/2020 11:13:52 1 0
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Looks like you thought wrong there Ralph, sorry ...
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09/12/2020 10:34:46 35 15
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Like anything in life, if you can't pay for it, you aren't getting it.
Should make CHINA pay for the vaccines as the virus came from a wet market they have been told time and time again to clean up..
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09/12/2020 10:49:23 1 11
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you sound like that imbecile trump
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09/12/2020 10:49:47 30 4
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Any time you see the word "Peoples" just be aware

Sometimes it is used naively or historically like People's Friend founded in 1869

But like the IRA and BLM it is often just a front for revolutionary communist ideology which statistically is responsible for more untimely deaths in 160 years than all the religious wars ever fought and it genuinely thinks that is a price worth paying.
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09/12/2020 10:49:50 11 1
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At this point we are all poor and need to vaccinate our own populations. No offence but every country that can afford the vaccine is only looking out for themselves right now.
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09/12/2020 10:58:07 1 9
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Debt is not poverty
When the lights go out, we’ve no healthcare or clean water, then we can say we’re all poor
Around 3.5 billion live on less than $5 a week
The fact that our country is pushing more of its own into poverty/malnutrition, and people still vote them in speaks volumes of why the BBC even thought 13 million Tory voters would see past their own problems
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09/12/2020 10:38:33 7 45
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"the virus came from a wet market "

Not much evidence to support that claim. It's smply that China was the first country to identify a new virus and bring it to our attention. They deservce our thanks for that, not our opprobrium.
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09/12/2020 10:42:28 1 9
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Trump said so. so it must be right
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09/12/2020 10:43:28 7 23
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I've been saying for a long time that WE HAVE A DUTY to ensure the poorest are able to access this vaccine.

I was marked down every time, but it wont stop me pushing for JUSTICE.
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09/12/2020 10:54:20 7 0
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If the oxford vaccine is approved the makers have said it will be available at cost to the whole world. That sounds like justice to me.
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09/12/2020 10:55:56 0 1
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Maybe if you stopped SHOUTING.
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09/12/2020 10:40:20 91 6
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It does miss the point that we are also more vulnerable to this virus in comparison to poorer countries.
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09/12/2020 10:49:57 14 2
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Very true. Most African countries hardly have covid cases at the moment and their populations are much younger
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09/12/2020 10:31:30 115 328
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Why?

Maybe that also means that it's only fair that those who can afford private health care are the first ones to have it, and those who can't afford it have to suffer restrictions for longer?
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09/12/2020 10:49:59 46 8
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Is that a question or a statement? If it's a statement, I agree. Yup, those who live in the countries that paid millions to develop a vaccine should get it first.
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09/12/2020 10:48:51 2 9
bbc
That picture of Margaret Keenan being given the vaccine by May Parsons... every time I see it, it looks as if May is about to hit her with a backhand! I know she is just showing where the vaccine will go but... It's an odd picture.

This whole thing has felt like a chance for humanity to rethink it's ways. But it's a massive fail. It's now a vaccine for profit and not for people...
85
09/12/2020 10:50:30 9 2
bbc
clearly its a vaccine for people - it's not an ornament is it? But companies want to turn a profit and I don't blame them for that. WELL DONE UKGOV because you put people before money
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09/12/2020 10:54:02 0 3
bbc
If you still beleive now, after all that has happened this year, that this government put people before money... Then there is no way to change your view.
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MM
09/12/2020 10:50:35 5 1
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Defund the SJW's.
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09/12/2020 10:39:40 19 2
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So why is Indai spending billions on nuclear weapons and space rockets, rather than on developing a malaria vaccine?
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09/12/2020 10:50:44 3 3
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To deter their nuclear armed neighbour, China, over which they have clashed over borders recently after China annexed and militarised a disputed region.

What next Luke, a spirited defence of China's militarisation of the South China Sea.

A bold statement that the Falun Gong & Uighurs want their organs to be removed and sold to other people before they've finished using them.
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09/12/2020 10:50:59 26 2
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I think you'll find richer countries, as you call them, have been hit worst by the pandemic. Spread by mass travel and unhealthy lifestyles.
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09/12/2020 13:25:34 0 0
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Mass travel certainly.
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09/12/2020 10:47:51 89 8
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I blame all Britain's problems on the Roman Invasion.
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CJR
09/12/2020 10:51:07 2 20
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What a very helpful and informative comment Not.
Was it break time at school when you posted?
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09/12/2020 11:03:14 6 1
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Never heard of jokes, mate?
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09/12/2020 10:51:17 0 8
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Why is this even a story? Is ANYONE surprised that the rich will buy themselves priority?
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09/12/2020 10:51:22 5 1
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I'll swap anyone my one for a PS5 ;-)
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09/12/2020 10:53:04 0 0
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??
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09/12/2020 10:44:32 3 22
bbc
I’m not sure what angers me more
Comments or the way things are done
As the Government makes cuts to foreign aid, whilst stuffing their faces at taxpayers expense...
It is things like these that bite you back eventually
Africa controlled Ebola, despite being one of the poorest nations
If this was as bad a crisis, why is anyone profiting?
It makes no sense to hold solutions ransom
Madness
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09/12/2020 10:46:09 5 1
bbc
Western medical teams generally controlled Ebola.
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09/12/2020 10:45:40 43 114
bbc
If you can openly declare you have 5 times what is needed, then you have more than you need
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09/12/2020 10:51:58 15 3
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So if you have 5 times what you need what are you going to do with it? Inject the same people 5 times or give it to someone else?
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09/12/2020 10:46:18 101 20
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" Many of these countries are poor simply because we have exploited them"

Name one ex-British colony in Africa that was wealthy and industrialised prior to colonisation, and is now impoverished and largely pre-industrial.
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09/12/2020 10:52:15 6 16
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No, you seem to imply this is something to debate. It is not. There are worldviews that try to incorporate a given individuals cognitive dissonance (i am british and a nice person therefore...) however they are simply worldviews. To suggest the British empire did not exploit other countries is simply incorrect. I am not lambasting Britain, we were all at it. Denying the fact is not helpful.
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09/12/2020 10:52:27 0 4
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Does no one find it odd there isn’t much time between each countries independent research and trials?
They invested in so many to make sure if only one was effective, they had supplies
If they don’t need them, and they have a shelf life, they’ll be giving it away anyway, if not, why not if leftover vaccines will be useless?
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09/12/2020 10:52:37 0 6
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The vaccines do not prevent transmission one the old and vulnerable see vaccinated any surplus should go to other countries Young people don't need it
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09/12/2020 10:55:15 0 0
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Young people aren't getting it.
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09/12/2020 10:52:53 11 1
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About fifty years ago I contributed to something called Third World First to help developing countries. By now they should be developed, given natural resources and a very rich elite. We need to be civilised in this distribution of medicines, but frankly we have own interest to consider and cannot feel guilty about other nations indefinitely.
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09/12/2020 13:41:05 1 0
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There is more than enough evidence that overseas aid does not work. If it did, then those countries in receipt of it for so many decades would now be successful and no longer require "aid." Technology, know-how and indeed examples elsewhere in the world show the way, but these third-world nations can't even pipe water to their villages! Why? Laziness? Stupidity? Incompetent leaders?
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09/12/2020 10:52:58 10 1
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Once all the vaccines have been approved they can be rolled out worldwide. Until then the countries that have paid to develop the vaccines clearly should be first to receive them.
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09/12/2020 10:45:47 11 70
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How so? We do have more very old people but also fewer people living in densely populated areas and everyone has access to soap and water here.
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09/12/2020 10:52:58 22 1
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Look at the stats! Which are the countries with the highest death rates.
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09/12/2020 10:52:59 8 3
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It's not long before the do-gooders come out of the woodwork is it? if poor countries stopped wasting their cash on corruption and war they might get somewhere in life. The reason richer countries are buying more than they apparently need is because no one is sure how long a jab will provide protection for. Some say 6 months only.
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09/12/2020 10:59:03 2 5
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It is a strange and sad comment on the state of the UK that 'doing good' is now seen as something to deplore.