Brexit: UK and EU reach deal on Northern Ireland border checks
08/12/2020 | news | politics | 3,425
The UK will drop plans to override the Brexit divorce deal, removing a potential obstacle to a trade deal.
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08/12/2020 14:51:09 47 29
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This is still just ironing out the details of the withdrawal agreement that was supposedly "oven ready" a year ago. Does this Vote Leave government not realize that there are only three weeks left to get a trade deal?
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08/12/2020 14:52:09 56 27
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This answer is, of course they do, they're just delaying making the necessary concessions, because doing so will reveal what a colossal con job Brexit has been from beginning to end.
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08/12/2020 14:53:17 7 18
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It takes two to tango
Deal at any price or no deal
Let's imagine you had toicommit to one of those options
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08/12/2020 14:53:41 14 12
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You write this drivel on every HYS. BoJo is currently in Brussels to discuss the trade deal so 'Does this Vote Leave government not realize that there are only three weeks left to get a trade deal?' is a profoundly dumb comment.
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08/12/2020 15:01:49 9 5
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The reality is, given the clear visible levels of incompetence in this cabinet of nodding donkeys they don't even realize what day it is. And with regard to telling the truth, that word is not in their vocabulary
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08/12/2020 14:51:25 39 8
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Are we there yet?
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08/12/2020 14:54:53 89 57
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Nearly. Not long til the disaster now
08/12/2020 16:10:46 5 1
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"Are we there yet?"

Not even near. The Gov just averted Biden's threat over the Good Friday.
08/12/2020 16:12:07 4 1
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Yes we are! Where are we going again?
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08/12/2020 14:51:09 47 29
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This is still just ironing out the details of the withdrawal agreement that was supposedly "oven ready" a year ago. Does this Vote Leave government not realize that there are only three weeks left to get a trade deal?
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08/12/2020 14:52:09 56 27
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This answer is, of course they do, they're just delaying making the necessary concessions, because doing so will reveal what a colossal con job Brexit has been from beginning to end.
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08/12/2020 14:54:28 7 7
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Same old same old.......
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08/12/2020 14:55:05 9 6
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Echo Chamber.......moan...moan....
Once trade deal is agreed.......yip you've guessed it........moan.....moan
Cheer up its nearly Xmas and the vaccine is being rolled out in the UK
Its life Jim but not as we know it!
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08/12/2020 14:52:15 14 41
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Gove saves the day
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08/12/2020 14:54:29 11 8
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By caving in
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08/12/2020 14:56:32 2 14
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Boris collects the deal tomorrow.
08/12/2020 17:15:50 0 1
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A non existent figure of your imaginative fantasy, couldn't save anything in our REAL world.
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08/12/2020 14:51:09 47 29
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This is still just ironing out the details of the withdrawal agreement that was supposedly "oven ready" a year ago. Does this Vote Leave government not realize that there are only three weeks left to get a trade deal?
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08/12/2020 14:53:17 7 18
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It takes two to tango
Deal at any price or no deal
Let's imagine you had toicommit to one of those options
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08/12/2020 14:53:29 208 16
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Reminds me of good old times. People arguing over Brexit 24/7.

Ahhh takes me back to 2019.
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08/12/2020 15:00:56 74 32
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It's the gift that keeps on giving

You're very welcome.
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08/12/2020 15:06:02 6 1
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The good old days before Covid.
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08/12/2020 15:25:28 17 4
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Think back to the halcyon days of 2015 before Brexit divided the country and undermined the UK constitutional agreements and the Union. It was a time of certainty for business and economic stability - all long gone and sorely missed.
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08/12/2020 15:32:26 3 0
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Not to mention 2018, 2017, 2016...
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08/12/2020 15:47:25 5 2
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Just as well there was no BBC HYS in 1975 when all this business kicked off.......same as, same as....
08/12/2020 16:02:07 1 0
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Nice to have some familiarity
08/12/2020 16:15:55 1 0
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ahhhh, yes, happy carefree days.
08/12/2020 16:44:24 4 6
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Takes me back to 2016. Some people just cannot accept what we voted for.
08/12/2020 17:18:04 3 1
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Yes, if only half as much time, thought and money had been put to positive, constructive purposes, just think what might have been achieved!
£Billions already wasted, five years spent going backwards, and a society divided and poorer in many ways.
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08/12/2020 14:51:09 47 29
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This is still just ironing out the details of the withdrawal agreement that was supposedly "oven ready" a year ago. Does this Vote Leave government not realize that there are only three weeks left to get a trade deal?
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08/12/2020 14:53:41 14 12
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You write this drivel on every HYS. BoJo is currently in Brussels to discuss the trade deal so 'Does this Vote Leave government not realize that there are only three weeks left to get a trade deal?' is a profoundly dumb comment.
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08/12/2020 14:53:47 114 25
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HYS brexit..... Incoming bile Bluster and bull
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08/12/2020 15:18:21 176 139
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Is that because you want us all to forget the sheer stupidity of the result? No. We will never forget. We will never surrender. We will fight this act of national vandalism wherever and whenever we can. Trump is heading for prison, along with his cronies and family. Where will our own ‘poundshop Trump” be in 3 years time?
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08/12/2020 15:19:28 27 25
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But less of it - there are far fewer brexiteers these days.
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08/12/2020 15:24:06 33 32
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normally from those who lost the referendum and the election, but are determined to think they both be overruled by spouting bile and bluster on HYS and Twitter.
The country has spoken as a majority, we move on
08/12/2020 16:48:15 0 4
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Can you write in English?
08/12/2020 17:22:31 1 1
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And here you are.
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08/12/2020 14:53:48 10 15
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Of course it will happen. Press are Nay sayers and doom mongers!

It politicians being politicians.
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08/12/2020 14:57:07 10 3
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Lets wait and see what has actually been agree. It sounds like the boundary in the Irish Sea is alive and well
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08/12/2020 14:53:31 27 29
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Disgraceful and reckless that the Conservative government have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for Brexit.

Utterly disgraceful.
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08/12/2020 14:55:25 14 7
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lol. So you want a hard border?
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08/12/2020 14:58:04 3 5
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Don't recall the EU making any unilateral announcements in this area?

Or do you only hold the Conservatives to this standard?
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08/12/2020 14:58:48 3 9
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Disgraceful and reckless that the EU have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for EU negotiating pressure on UK.
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08/12/2020 14:59:00 3 5
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They have done nothing of the sort. Where do you get that idea?
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08/12/2020 15:01:32 2 8
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and the EU haven't?
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08/12/2020 15:04:53 2 2
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Maybe, it's called negotiation, whatever the views it would have appeared to have worked.

Onwards and upwards...
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08/12/2020 15:18:16 1 9
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Completely incorrect Sherbert -
It is the EU that has used Ni, it’s businesses and the peace process as leverage to get their own way in the negotiations - the way that the EU were demanding that the Northern Ireland Protocol be implemented would have been in breach of the GFA as it would have substantially changed Ni's status within the UK hence the need for clauses in the Internal Market Bill
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08/12/2020 14:54:13 37 38
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This is REALLY going to annoy Remoaners....
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08/12/2020 14:58:31 26 5
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Why? One step closer to BRINO, the least worst outcome. Boris threatened to break the law. Now he’s saying he won’t.
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08/12/2020 14:54:16 18 7
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“In principle”.......

On the Brexit saga continues for another god knows how many years...
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08/12/2020 14:54:23 19 31
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They won't like me saying so but Remainers are to blame here. To blame for not addressing Leaver concerns pre-ref. To blame for not voting against Brexit in the ref (half the population didn't vote). And to blame for spending 4 years calling Leavers "thick and racist" instead of working on a solution. They could have even got a second ref over the line if they'd put the effort in.
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08/12/2020 14:55:59 12 3
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Blame in what sense. Maybe you're looking for a more Brexity thread to post on (plenty live). This is about UKIM Bill and the news is good, for once. UK will not break international law.
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08/12/2020 14:57:59 1 13
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These past four years has revealed them to be nefarious

before 2016 it was just a rumour
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08/12/2020 14:57:10 2 7
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Who care's what remainers say? All their attempts to defy democracy means their opinion's don't matter at all.
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08/12/2020 14:57:22 5 2
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You still can’t take responsibility for your own exactions eh?
This is entirely the making of the Tory party, their shadowy finders and 17.4 million leave voters. Nobody else
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08/12/2020 14:52:09 56 27
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This answer is, of course they do, they're just delaying making the necessary concessions, because doing so will reveal what a colossal con job Brexit has been from beginning to end.
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08/12/2020 14:54:28 7 7
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Same old same old.......
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08/12/2020 14:54:44 7 15
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Window dressing

Fishing, Playing Field and Legal Checks still no progress.

This whole charade is demeaning bordering on infantile. Four and a half years of squabbling and EU stalling and we are down to the last 19 days.
Pathetic
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08/12/2020 15:00:39 8 3
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Agree. Pathetic. That's what happens, when your negotiators have no experience, no clear strategy, a distorted view of key issues, ignore those elements that are core to UK GDP & focus on meaningless symbols (??) of some mythic 'sovereignty' that never existed & will not miraculously be recovered, on leaving EU.
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08/12/2020 15:09:35 2 0
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Yes. That’s Brexit for you. Four and a half years of UK squabbling and stalling and being obsessed with fish
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08/12/2020 14:52:15 14 41
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Gove saves the day
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08/12/2020 14:54:29 11 8
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By caving in
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08/12/2020 14:54:36 17 33
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So, the EU have backed down. Who now can say the IMB wasn't required? Egg on your faces. I still hope for no deal, so we have a completely clean break. The EU are still NOT our friends and never have been.
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08/12/2020 14:58:15 13 2
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So the UK has agreed to remove the UKIM illegal clauses. Who's to say who has backed down, beyond the one fact that we know for sure. Were you in the room? Or, as your handle indicates, are you simply anti-EU?
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08/12/2020 15:00:04 1 18
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Brits who didn't know much about the EU have not been endeared by their rhetoric and mean spirit on display throughout negotiations
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08/12/2020 15:00:59 6 1
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So, the EU have backed down...
In what way ? they have nothing to back down over, it is the Tory cabinet who must do the backing down, Gove has just stated he is removing some items from the bill.
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08/12/2020 15:04:11 6 2
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If by “the EU backed down” you mean “the UK stopped breaking the law so EU objections were removed”. Then yes, I guess so
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08/12/2020 14:54:59 55 17
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That "agreement in principle" that has been found re: border control posts and the supply of medicines. Which "Leave means Leave" manifesto was that mentioned in?

- Vote Leave's?
- Leave EU's?
- Is it what BoJo called the oven-ready deal?
- What Theresa May wanted all along?

"Leave means Leave" is the most stupid catchphrase in a generation.
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08/12/2020 14:56:51 27 2
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Bananas mean bananas.... And I bet Johnson wrote an article on that, too.
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08/12/2020 15:05:16 1 5
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And congratulations to you on the most incoherent and stupid post of the day!
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08/12/2020 15:15:17 2 3
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Closely followed by 'Better Together'
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08/12/2020 14:55:03 12 19
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Remainer statements:-
What happened to the oven ready deal? It was delivered ahead of leaving the E.U. January 2020.
There will be a border in the Irish Sea. Apparently not.
Quick trolls, what misinformation next?
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08/12/2020 14:59:49 2 2
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Directly from the article above.

"This means, in order to comply with EU requirements, some checks will be needed on certain goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain "

So tell me if that means there is a border down the Irish Sea or not.
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08/12/2020 14:52:09 56 27
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This answer is, of course they do, they're just delaying making the necessary concessions, because doing so will reveal what a colossal con job Brexit has been from beginning to end.
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08/12/2020 14:55:05 9 6
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Echo Chamber.......moan...moan....
Once trade deal is agreed.......yip you've guessed it........moan.....moan
Cheer up its nearly Xmas and the vaccine is being rolled out in the UK
Its life Jim but not as we know it!
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08/12/2020 14:55:15 26 26
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Brexit should not be confused with "trade deal"

they are not interchangeable concepts

BBC don't explain this very well
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08/12/2020 14:58:04 19 9
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If that needs explaining then people are even more thick than you credit them with.
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08/12/2020 14:55:17 86 14
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Government concern must have been real for EU to agree not to threaten hence dropping of the clauses. Breaking international law off the table, just the deal to get over the line now.
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08/12/2020 15:02:17 96 152
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I know. The only people upset about this are all the doomsayers that claimed Britain would lose international reputation due to 'breaking international law'.

As with Brexit, this shows that those clowns really don't have a clue.
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08/12/2020 15:04:38 24 5
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More a case of the government looking for a way out and not poisoning the main deal negotiations.
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08/12/2020 15:13:41 4 2
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It's all meaningless anyway. The government can just bring a new bill with the same effect anytime it wants to. Should the need arise.
08/12/2020 17:11:52 0 1
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Con Dab NOT Democrats all broke the law WHEN THEY CHABGED THE REUSLT leave to deal.deal WAS NOT ON THE legal ballot paper.And look up the law on the alteration or overtiurning of the peoples votes its A CRIME.So you remain fanatics got what you wanted
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08/12/2020 14:53:31 27 29
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Disgraceful and reckless that the Conservative government have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for Brexit.

Utterly disgraceful.
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08/12/2020 14:55:25 14 7
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lol. So you want a hard border?
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08/12/2020 14:58:51 2 3
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How did you deduce that from my comment?
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08/12/2020 15:04:08 4 4
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No Freddie, he wants to avoid terrorism and sectarian murders .
And the GFA is at the moment the only way to avoid this.
If the Tories were able to fix this they would, but they cannot as they are between a rock and a hard place known as Belfast.
And of course their uncle Sam is now an Irish descended democrat president .
Not going to end well for the Tories .
Get the popcorn in .
08/12/2020 21:40:08 0 0
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Yes.
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08/12/2020 14:55:33 54 21
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They have had all these agreements in places months and months ago, it all an expenses scam, I tells you, a scam.
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08/12/2020 14:59:45 25 6
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probably some truth inthat!
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08/12/2020 15:33:27 2 0
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I must admit, the fact that the same 3 issues have been the stumbling block for what seems like months, I have imagined that the talks have been something akin to a mother saying 'no' and a toddler demanding chocolate ad nauseum, in the hope that one eventually just gives up.
I agree THE ROTHCCHILDS bank roll CONs and hand lots of nice money to their friends. They fund the CON party.EU CORRUPT UK CORRUOPT .And even D Cameron's own aide said the UK IS CORUPT and had he still lived here he would have voted LEAVE.The last near five yrs when we have been paying the EU a billion a month and these payments STILL GO ON UNTIL MARCH 2121. Removed
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08/12/2020 14:55:43 9 6
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no border no bother.....whats next
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08/12/2020 14:54:23 19 31
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They won't like me saying so but Remainers are to blame here. To blame for not addressing Leaver concerns pre-ref. To blame for not voting against Brexit in the ref (half the population didn't vote). And to blame for spending 4 years calling Leavers "thick and racist" instead of working on a solution. They could have even got a second ref over the line if they'd put the effort in.
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08/12/2020 14:55:59 12 3
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Blame in what sense. Maybe you're looking for a more Brexity thread to post on (plenty live). This is about UKIM Bill and the news is good, for once. UK will not break international law.
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08/12/2020 14:58:58 1 7
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But only because the EU have backed down. The IMB was always a fail safe in case the EU acted in bad faith, and lets be honest, they have done and continue to do so.
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08/12/2020 14:51:25 39 8
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Are we there yet?
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08/12/2020 14:54:53 89 57
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Nearly. Not long til the disaster now
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08/12/2020 15:06:23 7 12
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Oh..., I thought the disaster was going to happen when we left the EU.
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08/12/2020 15:25:22 6 0
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When you can count the bricks, you're near the wall.
08/12/2020 17:00:59 4 1
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How disappointed you will be when disaster does not happen, misery guts.
08/12/2020 17:49:37 0 0
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You must be a French Farmer or Fisherman?
08/12/2020 17:52:59 0 2
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Are you GOD how can you say what the future holds.You cannot it is just YOUR OPINION.So respect DEMOCRACY and not fascism.
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08/12/2020 14:56:04 21 21
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Northern Ireland just given away

The break up of the UK has started

Scotland next
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08/12/2020 15:02:32 2 2
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Off you toddle
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08/12/2020 15:01:44 0 2
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Neither NI or Eire wish to unite at the moment. And in Scotland I would not be surprised if the silent majority would still vote to stay in the UK. And I mean, who will Queen Nic blame if she hasn't got Westminster any more?
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08/12/2020 15:02:10 2 1
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Ooh Wales after that please! I know “we” voted Leave, but “we” have learned our lesson
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08/12/2020 14:56:14 459 77
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Is this the border down the Irish Sea that we weren't going to have in any circumstances?
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08/12/2020 14:58:54 162 142
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and apparently we wont be, so they were right all along
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08/12/2020 15:07:37 65 2
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It doesn't matter anymore because the DUP votes are no longer needed.
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08/12/2020 15:08:37 115 23
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Yes and Gove is claiming victory for backing down over the threat to break international law. There's no logic to how Brexiteers see the world. Like Trump, they are in their own reality.
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08/12/2020 15:16:16 6 12
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Yes, but the customs will be done on the UK side. So the border in the Irish Sea will be like the Equator, Tropic of Cancer of Capricorn, Longitude and Latitude - it will only be visible to those possessed with an IQ of 200 and more, or Ulster Unionists.
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08/12/2020 15:18:47 6 27
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The customs border had to go somewhere.

The logical place was somewhere the IRA wouldn’t murder someone for the simple act of checking goods.

They threatened to do that, and were shamelessly backed by Nancy Pelosi.
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08/12/2020 15:32:21 7 0
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Seems so. The Joint Committee has reached agreement in principle on the question of which goods of GB origin would be at risk of crossing the border to the Republic and thereby potentially attract a tariff.
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08/12/2020 15:34:32 2 4
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Isn't this kind of moot if a free trade agreement comes into force? After all, an FTA is what everyone wants, right? This kind of agreement is something I would have thought would be agreed if there was NOT an FTA on the cards.
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08/12/2020 15:39:05 2 6
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When you have driven your lorry into the docks in Liverpool your paperwork will already have been done by the computer system back at the office and you will be getting on a ferry to Dublin not NI. It will be more interesting spotting the farm produce coming from NI (allegedly) which is more likely to require tariffs because it is really from the ROI.
08/12/2020 16:39:48 7 0
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Exactly. Ludicrous situation. North is non-EU and South is EU. How there can be no border checks is quite incredible. If in theory this is about 'taking back control of your borders', what's to stop for example 10,000 Roumanians landing in Dublin and driving to the UK ( Belfast).
08/12/2020 17:03:07 0 4
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No it’s a workable compromise between two friendly and separate nation states, hard cheese!
08/12/2020 17:10:55 0 6
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No - this is the border that is part of our attempts to stop having to cough up billions of pounds every year in order to trade with people - you know - do you want to buy these apples - yeah sure - how much ? Hey that's reasonable - oh by the way - we can't do it unless we cough up billions of quid to rebuild Poland or something similar - that border !
08/12/2020 17:19:09 0 3
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The only emergent border down the Irish Sea will be a Customs Border between GB and ROI, and rightly so. It's what we voted for.
08/12/2020 17:56:37 1 0
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Yep brexit bozzer lies again
08/12/2020 23:19:19 0 1
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Who cares in GB? NI could vote tomorrow to become part of RoI and in the UK we allow and respect referenda results. The question is does the RoI and EU want NI?
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08/12/2020 14:56:18 182 11
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Good that they've reached agreement.
I suppose we have to wait until we find out what has actually been agreed before we can know if the agreement is good.
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08/12/2020 14:58:48 133 84
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I suppose we will have to wait and see what the agreement is that has been agreed upon before we decide if it is agreeable .
But it is most likely another u turn and another lie exposed .
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08/12/2020 15:06:14 6 1
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with this government, ANY agreement is good!
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08/12/2020 15:21:11 4 3
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Rest assured that you'll be told the story that the media want you to hear, rather than the actual details of the deal.
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08/12/2020 15:50:16 3 1
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Agree with you, but there are plenty on here who have already decided that the deal is very baaaaaaaaaad.
Ian
08/12/2020 16:36:15 4 0
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If it upset the DUP then it has to be good!

Now let us hope that this is an omen regarding trade.
08/12/2020 16:56:54 2 0
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I very much expect it to be remarkably similar to the deal that had already been agreed before the Govt decided to break it
08/12/2020 17:30:11 0 1
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Actually, even waiting to find out what has been agreed won't tell us whether the agreement is any good. We won't actually know if the agreement is any good until we see it working in action. If a couple of months after it has been implemented everyone is happy then the agreement is good. If chaos and confusion is happening then the agreement is not good.
08/12/2020 17:50:24 1 0
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At last not a insider's view but an honest one without the shouting well done
08/12/2020 17:50:59 1 0
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If it was good; church bells would be rung up and down the land.
Boris would be on TV doing his churchill impersonation.
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08/12/2020 14:52:15 14 41
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Gove saves the day
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08/12/2020 14:56:32 2 14
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Boris collects the deal tomorrow.
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08/12/2020 14:56:51 7 10
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........ and then France vetoed it.
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08/12/2020 15:30:24 0 0
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So Brexit done... with a little help from my friends ?
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08/12/2020 14:54:59 55 17
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That "agreement in principle" that has been found re: border control posts and the supply of medicines. Which "Leave means Leave" manifesto was that mentioned in?

- Vote Leave's?
- Leave EU's?
- Is it what BoJo called the oven-ready deal?
- What Theresa May wanted all along?

"Leave means Leave" is the most stupid catchphrase in a generation.
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08/12/2020 14:56:51 27 2
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Bananas mean bananas.... And I bet Johnson wrote an article on that, too.
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08/12/2020 14:57:00 21 18
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Desperately clinging on to something they can sell to the gullible as positive news, in the hope we won't see that it's all an unmitigated disaster !

The biggest farce of all time drips on .... and on .... and on .....
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08/12/2020 14:57:05 10 3
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Well, Gove looks happy about it.
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08/12/2020 15:05:52 9 1
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No, he always looks like that when he’s got wind
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08/12/2020 14:57:06 367 81
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Brexit hasn't never been a good idea but it has hapened. I wouldn't be surpirsed if there are more compromises found over next few days Now, Deal or no deal, the earth will still be rotating, the businesses will still do business. We will still get the food and life will go on.

Before anyone has a go at me, I will admit that I am no expert but I am allowed an opinion, I guess.
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08/12/2020 15:01:06 215 192
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I hope you are right about the food. Current indicators imply otherwise
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08/12/2020 15:03:16 38 61
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And apparently non-leavers are better educated people like me.

Thus 'hasn't never' = 'has'; eg. "Brexit has been a good idea........."

hapened = 'happened?'

But I accept your opinion, even though I voted for Brexit.

As a political ideology, Brexit works well - it is the EU that has confused commerce with ideology.
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08/12/2020 15:21:25 16 17
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I have to agree, I'm no expert but I suspect there is a lot of scaremongering going on, but businesses will adapt. I remember that planes would fall out of the sky because of Y2K, but I never heard about a single computer failing. To be honest when I look at country of manufacture it generally says China!
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08/12/2020 15:25:46 31 6
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Like many non experts who voted in the referendum - most people were only aware of little issues and couldn't see the big picture and were therefore totally unaware of the consequences of their opinions and decisions
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08/12/2020 15:28:41 6 0
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Wouldn't be too sure about a lot of those platitudes mate. What does come through will cost more. We will be rooting for more veg. We will be buying root veg.
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08/12/2020 15:29:01 0 1
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You are indeed.
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08/12/2020 15:29:19 4 5
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Oh thank goodness. A post about Brexit that doesn’t contain any insults. What a relief. And of course you’re right, people adapt and life goes on. In 100 years I doubt if the EU will still exist, but most of us will be in a hole in the ground anyway. Perspective, that’s the ticket.
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08/12/2020 15:29:36 1 1
bbc
I agree,We all know that banks and businesses run governments,not squabbling politicians
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08/12/2020 15:33:22 5 0
bbc
The Earth will keep rotating. But from where will the businesses be operating - in UK or EU? Some have left. Others are threatening to leave. What price food?
518
08/12/2020 15:34:30 0 1
bbc
But how confident are you that you're allowed to hold _that_ opinion?
558
08/12/2020 15:36:35 6 0
bbc
You can buy anything. What the cost of the 50% of the food that UK buys from Europe (the decent stuff) will be is the unknown, but we can be sure that prices won't drop. 'Rocket' is more likely...
Unless you eat your home grown turnips and swede. I shall look forward to 'The Baldrick Diet with Nigel Lawson' - coming to a TV near you....
Only if that opinion conforms with the moderator at the time Removed
08/12/2020 16:05:11 2 0
bbc
Errr no...No deal you will not get the food you want....not for another few months until UK has built all the border control points etc etc etc etc
08/12/2020 16:10:41 4 0
bbc
Bring back experts please, the random musings of random people adds nothing
08/12/2020 16:27:56 3 0
bbc
I think you are correct we will not starve, the measure will be when we can compare the contents and cost of a shop come next March in comparison what we were paying October just gone. Then we can see if there is a negative impact for those with no wiggle room
frm
08/12/2020 16:29:33 0 3
bbc
So right; everything could simply evolve over a little more time, instead of (EU) bureaucrats getting excited about justifying their existence. God Bless Brexit.
08/12/2020 16:33:52 1 1
bbc
"hasn't never..."? Nope, it ain't never has, hasn't it not.
08/12/2020 16:37:26 1 0
bbc
I speak to a lot of people, and the majority ALL think like that.
9
08/12/2020 14:53:48 10 15
bbc
Of course it will happen. Press are Nay sayers and doom mongers!

It politicians being politicians.
37
08/12/2020 14:57:07 10 3
bbc
Lets wait and see what has actually been agree. It sounds like the boundary in the Irish Sea is alive and well
38
08/12/2020 14:57:37 2 4
bbc
“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning,” ...
112
08/12/2020 15:00:21 0 1
bbc
You mean there’s more of this?! Good grief, when will it end!?!
39
08/12/2020 14:57:42 39 13
bbc
Personally I wouldn’t trust Gove to follow any game plan, other than his own.
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08/12/2020 14:57:43 181 70
bbc
Unfortunately the clauses inserted in the internal market bill broke an international agreement. Counties will have taken note of the UK's proposals.

Removing them only highlights the UK's stupidity in including them, yet again, yesterday
57
08/12/2020 14:59:17 99 97
bbc
It was always a negotiating stance.

dduuuurr!
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08/12/2020 15:00:25 20 42
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They were included to make a point to the EU that the UK would not be pushed around and it WORKED. If you think you know how to do these things better then stand as an MP and put your money where your mouth is.
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08/12/2020 15:02:34 13 26
bbc
Or alternatively was a master stroke played well in the overall negotiation game.

Everyone is entitled to their view...and all views are valid

:=)
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08/12/2020 15:03:21 9 39
bbc
Stop being so dumb! The WA was dead and buried if the EU failed to negotiate in good faith - something written into the WA. It was patently clear they did not negotiate in good faith. The WA would therefore not be law. What our Gov proposed could NOT therefore break a on-law.
08/12/2020 16:16:51 6 4
bbc
It could just have been optics to please the hard brexiteer majority and maybe the EU weren’t really bothered about it. I’m sure both sides expect a bit of silly postering from the other.
08/12/2020 16:55:38 0 6
bbc
Removing then in this way was a clever move which will pave the way to an agreement.
08/12/2020 17:13:39 1 0
bbc
Worked well didn't it!
13
08/12/2020 14:54:23 19 31
bbc
They won't like me saying so but Remainers are to blame here. To blame for not addressing Leaver concerns pre-ref. To blame for not voting against Brexit in the ref (half the population didn't vote). And to blame for spending 4 years calling Leavers "thick and racist" instead of working on a solution. They could have even got a second ref over the line if they'd put the effort in.
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08/12/2020 14:57:59 1 13
bbc
These past four years has revealed them to be nefarious

before 2016 it was just a rumour
42
08/12/2020 14:58:00 25 18
bbc
Yet another U-turn from this government. The border remains down the Irish Sea.
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08/12/2020 15:00:03 3 9
bbc
So what does it say. This article certainly does not give any information. Are you looking at a crystal ball
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08/12/2020 15:01:37 1 6
bbc
Yes, cause Expat Bob was sitting in the same room.

Some people are the complete opposite of 'can-do'. Can you imagine where we would be with a bunch of expat Bob's in charge of the Gov?
371
08/12/2020 15:24:06 1 0
bbc
Go on say something positive
21
08/12/2020 14:55:15 26 26
bbc
Brexit should not be confused with "trade deal"

they are not interchangeable concepts

BBC don't explain this very well
43
08/12/2020 14:58:04 19 9
bbc
If that needs explaining then people are even more thick than you credit them with.
103
08/12/2020 15:02:46 2 2
bbc
Unfortunately a lot of people still don't believe that Brexit is happening until the end of the year, and that if we have any sort of deal we wouldn't have left
107
08/12/2020 15:03:03 2 14
bbc
It's the anti-Brexits that conflate them the most, for political capital.
413
08/12/2020 15:26:59 0 0
bbc
But we've known that for more than 4 years!
10
08/12/2020 14:53:31 27 29
bbc
Disgraceful and reckless that the Conservative government have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for Brexit.

Utterly disgraceful.
44
08/12/2020 14:58:04 3 5
bbc
Don't recall the EU making any unilateral announcements in this area?

Or do you only hold the Conservatives to this standard?
45
08/12/2020 14:58:14 136 54
bbc
I spoke to a customer in Germany today who was well & truly hacked off with Macron & the French for pushing the UK re fishing rights. He said that borders must be respected of all global sovereign states & this includes waters. He is desperate for a deal & believes that it will/must happen, but still believes that we should not have an advantage re businesses, tax etc - I argued otherwise.
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08/12/2020 15:00:23 97 36
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And why did you argue otherwise?
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08/12/2020 15:10:57 13 12
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On R4 Today recently a Euro MP described the UK as getting sovereignty back over its fishing waters so had the right to negotiate. I don't know what the law says but clearly some Euro MPs assumed they had sovereignty.
208
08/12/2020 15:09:11 22 4
bbc
I spoke to a Frenchman in Toulouse last week and he was in favour of England leaving the European Union.
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08/12/2020 15:17:43 23 3
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Argue away. But you ought not expect the citizens of other countries to be happy to subsidise a “sweetheart” deal for you.
598
08/12/2020 15:38:53 4 0
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...And then everyone stood up and clapped.
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08/12/2020 15:57:49 7 1
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We, people of Britain buy a lot of goods from Germany, and I might add are happy to do so. We can do deals with Germany but not I fear with Macron.
Please tell your customer in Germany that we, the British want a deal to work for both sides fairly.
08/12/2020 18:08:30 0 0
bbc
Are you really Bozzo, want your cake and eat it
08/12/2020 23:27:02 0 0
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Fish is a red herring ... sorry ... but irrelevant to both economies. As you say, real trade is far more of an issue, but tariffs from the UK will hurt zee Germans far more. The poor Germans. I feel sorry for them. We would NEVER had had Brexit, if France did not exist. Both nations as much as they say the love each other are just too far apart.
17
08/12/2020 14:54:36 17 33
bbc
So, the EU have backed down. Who now can say the IMB wasn't required? Egg on your faces. I still hope for no deal, so we have a completely clean break. The EU are still NOT our friends and never have been.
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08/12/2020 14:58:15 13 2
bbc
So the UK has agreed to remove the UKIM illegal clauses. Who's to say who has backed down, beyond the one fact that we know for sure. Were you in the room? Or, as your handle indicates, are you simply anti-EU?
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08/12/2020 14:58:22 219 33
bbc
"You can be sure there will be a deal" David Davis

"The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history" Liam Fox

"There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal" Boris Johnson

"I never promised it would be a huge success" Nigel farage

Hmmmm.........
"The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.
We are already beginning with zero tariffs, and we are already beginning at the point of maximal regulatory equivalence, as it is called.
In other words, our rules and our laws are exactly the same" Liam Fox.
08/12/2020 16:54:19 3 17
bbc
We would have had an easy agreement if the EU had not tried to shaft us in the Theresa May period.
08/12/2020 17:28:37 2 1
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Point 2 is correct, point 4 turned out a success, so 2 down to go. ;-)
08/12/2020 17:53:32 0 0
bbc
Be patient honey were nearly there
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08/12/2020 14:58:35 17 23
bbc
So the E.U. can do realistic but they still prefer vindictive.
49
08/12/2020 14:58:39 216 54
bbc
Adults using the word 'remoaners'. Political analysis at playground level.
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08/12/2020 15:01:47 157 137
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The same level of analysis as calling all leave voters racists? Playground politics has existed on both sides, if the remain campaign had actually engaged with people rather than resort to name calling than we might not be in this position.
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08/12/2020 15:04:18 6 3
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Your being a bit too generous in your conclusions.
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08/12/2020 15:13:27 13 3
bbc
What would you prefer Brexitsmears? I'm sorry but neither side of this argument have been entirely "grown-up" it the use of language.
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08/12/2020 15:18:27 16 8
bbc
Like using the phrase "Little Englanders" I suppose?
615
08/12/2020 15:39:50 4 3
bbc
Despite my overall pro-EU-membership stance, I quite like the gag. It's certainly less abusive than the insult levied at the pro-Leave brigade.
664
08/12/2020 15:42:34 3 3
bbc
Crybaby boomers, we will give you the small state low tax future you have demanded. You'll hate it, but it will be too late. We will be fine
08/12/2020 16:47:45 2 0
bbc
Some of the comments made about Leave voters are insulting. They started it.
08/12/2020 16:55:39 1 2
bbc
Have another losers march about it.
08/12/2020 16:58:54 3 0
bbc
They are not remoaners, they are Trumpers, they behave the same way on Democracy.
08/12/2020 17:26:55 0 0
bbc
LOL such a comment, and with a username like yours?
08/12/2020 17:52:40 0 0
bbc
Sposse same as brexiteers and nazis same same but different yes
50
08/12/2020 14:58:44 13 16
bbc
The truth?
Boris Johnson backtracked, having seen that his bluff didn't work.
30
08/12/2020 14:56:18 182 11
bbc
Good that they've reached agreement.
I suppose we have to wait until we find out what has actually been agreed before we can know if the agreement is good.
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08/12/2020 14:58:48 133 84
bbc
I suppose we will have to wait and see what the agreement is that has been agreed upon before we decide if it is agreeable .
But it is most likely another u turn and another lie exposed .
136
08/12/2020 15:05:24 6 4
bbc
Is a U turn a lie? Or just the result negotiation which you have been shouting for all year!
926
08/12/2020 15:58:28 4 2
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have you ever had to negotiate anything in life?
08/12/2020 16:13:00 2 6
bbc
Why is it a Uturn .. what not compromise ...

Grow up and stop the remoaners constant crying .

Just the Scots to off load next .
08/12/2020 16:45:25 1 2
bbc
Yawn.
08/12/2020 17:24:48 1 0
bbc
but you don't know. Just as you don't know whether it is the French Europe Minister lying about the Germans, or the German Europe minister simply lying.
08/12/2020 17:42:05 1 1
bbc
Excellent agreement - guarantees united Ireland is coming along with Scotland and Wales restoring Nationhoods and little England, all alone trying to pretend it is World leader. Thanks Boris and your cronies and daft English Brexiteers.
10
08/12/2020 14:53:31 27 29
bbc
Disgraceful and reckless that the Conservative government have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for Brexit.

Utterly disgraceful.
52
08/12/2020 14:58:48 3 9
bbc
Disgraceful and reckless that the EU have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for EU negotiating pressure on UK.
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Ir
08/12/2020 14:58:52 3 12
bbc
Like a ping pong. Rest of Europe don't be like UK. Very bad example
29
08/12/2020 14:56:14 459 77
bbc
Is this the border down the Irish Sea that we weren't going to have in any circumstances?
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08/12/2020 14:58:54 162 142
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and apparently we wont be, so they were right all along
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Ir
08/12/2020 15:01:00 67 3
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There will be checks on goods...
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08/12/2020 15:03:41 136 16
bbc
Have you read the article above ?

"This means, in order to comply with EU requirements, some checks will be needed on certain goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain "

If that's not a customs border, then I don't know what is.
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08/12/2020 15:02:05 88 9
bbc
Wrong. The border in the Irish Sea stays deal or not.

Do some research.
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08/12/2020 15:10:08 69 15
bbc
Oh we will. Inform yourself.
You brexiters live in a parallel world
258
08/12/2020 15:15:40 26 3
bbc
Oh yes you will
280
08/12/2020 15:17:40 17 0
bbc
You mean the border crossing will be on that lovely new bridge that is being built between Larne and Scotland????
08/12/2020 15:58:09 7 1
bbc
"from January, goods will not need to be checked along the Irish border and the region will continue to enforce the EU's customs product standards rules". No we will have an internal border in Great Britain instead.
08/12/2020 16:31:20 3 0
bbc
We will.
08/12/2020 16:38:57 2 0
bbc
Wrong.
08/12/2020 17:19:29 0 0
bbc
Coin-flip was it ?
08/12/2020 17:44:09 0 0
bbc
Really-seen the small print yet
SJ
08/12/2020 19:45:52 3 0
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If Gove says it's a light touch arrangement, it's probably a very heavy touch. Let's wait and see what is published. You have to wonder why they didn't release any info about the deal.
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08/12/2020 14:58:55 91 83
bbc
This agreement shows that you sometimes have to play 'hardball' to ensure a fair deal and Boris has confounded his critics and achieved what was needed. If more people were not so negative and stood up for the UK instead of berating it all the time it would be a much better place.
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08/12/2020 15:09:33 63 24
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You are mistaken: the intent of the Internal Market bill was to have a kind of safety net in case of no-deal.
Well, thy haven't reached a deal yet and the bill has been ditched.
Very simply, Boris Johnson beat a retreat.
181
08/12/2020 15:09:46 7 0
bbc
With this government you always have to wait until you see the detail. So often all is not as it seems at first.
189
08/12/2020 15:10:31 9 0
bbc
Boris got a "fair deal" by folding to the EU? The UK didn't want a border across the Irish Sea, for obvious reasons... Arlene will be RAGIN!
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08/12/2020 15:10:35 12 0
bbc
I'm not clear what has been "achieved". There appears to be the creation of new checks between GB and NI that dont exist between say England and Scotland. There is therefore an internal border between NI and GB. This is what was agreed ages ago and what the government objected to.
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08/12/2020 15:12:50 5 1
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lol,
Brilliant satire.
"confounded" you mean confused.
What should we stand up for? damaging the country and our future?
or doing the right thing and get rid of a nest of corruption and lies that resides in Westmonster?
231
08/12/2020 15:13:27 4 0
bbc
They haven't told us what was in the agreement yet. So how you have any idea that it shows "hardball" is a good negotiating tactic I don't know.
248
08/12/2020 15:14:57 4 1
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This has been the difficulty for many years, too many politicians afraid to put thier argument forcefully in case it may upset a minority or money person somewhere. Britain can survive if all races and politicians pull together for the good of the country
306
08/12/2020 15:19:19 12 3
bbc
About four years ago, the UK was a much better place than it is today and far better than it will be in four weeks time.
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jjs
08/12/2020 15:37:51 3 1
bbc
The figure on the bus was wrong. This alone will make me vote YES. Scotland is not without its problems but a small mess is easier to address than a big one. Almost every cleaner, oil company and dog owner will vouch for this.
679
08/12/2020 15:43:26 8 0
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The fact is no matter how you voted, we had the best deal by being members. We are not members now so we will get what we are given. I regret to say I do not share your optimism regarding Boris and his Merry Men. This country, for which I served is a shambles.
692
08/12/2020 15:44:07 7 0
bbc
The Withdrawal Agreement is an international treaty and to be modified, it requires the approval of all EU member state. Today's meeting is presented as a victory to satisfy brainless brexiters, but in reality nothing has changed, or maybe just the way to implement it...
939
08/12/2020 15:59:13 1 0
bbc
Sorry Boris has just agreed the deal the May had Hardball my arse he just caved in when the chips were down.
08/12/2020 16:49:15 0 0
bbc
so you call playing to the crowds then caving in playing hardball. Strange definition.
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08/12/2020 14:53:31 27 29
bbc
Disgraceful and reckless that the Conservative government have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for Brexit.

Utterly disgraceful.
56
08/12/2020 14:59:00 3 5
bbc
They have done nothing of the sort. Where do you get that idea?
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08/12/2020 14:57:43 181 70
bbc
Unfortunately the clauses inserted in the internal market bill broke an international agreement. Counties will have taken note of the UK's proposals.

Removing them only highlights the UK's stupidity in including them, yet again, yesterday
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08/12/2020 14:59:17 99 97
bbc
It was always a negotiating stance.

dduuuurr!
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08/12/2020 15:00:32 33 12
bbc
It failed.
713
08/12/2020 15:45:46 18 3
bbc
Really? Pretty rubbish one, then.

It just fouled the air and has brought us nowhere closer to resolving the problem.
08/12/2020 16:40:31 4 0
bbc
so if someone threatens to break the law to get you to do something, you won't complain to anyone ever because it is only a negotiating stance.
08/12/2020 16:48:49 8 2
bbc
Abrogating a treaty that Boris and the UK government themselves negotiated and ratified only months ago. Would anyone trust the UK not to break their word again. Would Spain stick to a treaty on Gibraltar negotiated centuries ago [by others]? Ditto China - Hong Kong, Argentina - Falklands, Egypt - Suez …

This blunder has made the UK the laughing stock not just of Europe, but the whole world!
08/12/2020 17:23:40 1 1
bbc
quitter twerp.
08/12/2020 17:48:36 0 0
bbc
That backfired
08/12/2020 17:51:46 1 1
bbc
A stupid negotiating ploy (Cummings bright idea?) as it made it clear that the current UK government would happily break international agreements and can therefore not be trusted unless there is an automatic punishment clause. That is in fact exactly the main stumbling block as the EU is insisting on that clause!
08/12/2020 19:55:38 1 0
bbc
It was a poor one if it was (which I doubt). So far: we have the incipient secession of Northern Ireland to the Republic, a border in the Irish Sea and capitulation on the IMB.

Oh, and no trade deal. The EU is prepared to run down the clock and allow us to crash out. Anyone who thinks that Mrs VdL is going to roll over is delusional. Johnson will die on that hill, or fold - as usual.
09/12/2020 23:45:35 0 0
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Which is like saying that pointing a gun at someone’s head is a “negotiating tactic”. It is if you’re a gangster. Do you approve of a government of gangsters?
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08/12/2020 14:59:25 112 23
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The UK needs a deal and so do the EU. Covid is forcing this deal and that's good enough for me. No WTO
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08/12/2020 15:25:58 116 50
bbc
Of course they will make a deal.
On terms set by the EU.
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08/12/2020 15:34:19 11 12
bbc
Absolutely.

Vast majority of public want that too. Only hard right and the remainers who would rather things go badly just so they could say I told you so.

Both sides seem to be giving a little like in every negotiation.

Also love all the fuss about the Internal Markets Bill that was always designed as a just in case measure, as is now proven.
994
08/12/2020 16:02:15 15 2
bbc
I didn't vote for brexit, but if it has to happen then we need a deal. I'll sleep a bit better if someone sensible and pragmatic can be reached, and then we can all move on.

Leaving on WTO will be god awful, and i think will properly split this country up in the long term, both politically and the union itself sadly. No WTO
08/12/2020 16:19:49 15 2
bbc
The EU are not going to sign up to a deal at any price. What the Tories and Farage want is to leave the EU but still benefit from it. This is an impossible scenario for them because it would pose an existential threat to the whole project. Surely people can see the logic of this?
08/12/2020 16:21:38 10 2
bbc
the UK needs a deal far more than the EU.
08/12/2020 16:48:39 1 2
bbc
The EU doesn’t really need a deal for itself. Making us look like the prize chumps we are, discourages other chumps from acting on their own silly impulses.
08/12/2020 18:06:44 0 1
bbc
We haven’t got to that yet
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jad
08/12/2020 14:59:25 16 9
bbc
Hope he has it in writing, and reads before he signs!!!! maybe get the locals school kids to read it as well just in case he misses the line that says we can do what ever we like to you, and you 100% agree to this. Wouldn't trust Gove as far as I could throw him, career politician with eyes on the big seat. Well if you screw us over, Tories wont see another round in Government for a very longtime.
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MVP
08/12/2020 14:59:40 6 7
bbc
The situation in Northern Ireland is fragile. Any agreement that the UK government has entered will need to have the approval of both sides of the divide and I suspect that it will not be acceptable to at least one of the parties. Probably both.
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08/12/2020 15:03:54 3 1
bbc
But here's the thing: As Brexiteers are prone to point out, Brexit was a UK-wide decision & the devolved nations don't get a granular say. DUP have been fine with that approach, given NI voted to remain. So maybe their opinion will matter a good deal less than you think.
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08/12/2020 14:55:33 54 21
bbc
They have had all these agreements in places months and months ago, it all an expenses scam, I tells you, a scam.
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08/12/2020 14:59:45 25 6
bbc
probably some truth inthat!
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08/12/2020 15:07:46 3 1
bbc
Got to keep the staff employed doing something. I think they been playing cards for the last 6 months, with the deal sitting on the table.
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08/12/2020 14:55:03 12 19
bbc
Remainer statements:-
What happened to the oven ready deal? It was delivered ahead of leaving the E.U. January 2020.
There will be a border in the Irish Sea. Apparently not.
Quick trolls, what misinformation next?
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08/12/2020 14:59:49 2 2
bbc
Directly from the article above.

"This means, in order to comply with EU requirements, some checks will be needed on certain goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain "

So tell me if that means there is a border down the Irish Sea or not.
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08/12/2020 15:00:03 18 9
bbc
Given that agreement appears to have been reached relatively easily, one wonders why the government did not seek a solution before introducing the controversial clauses in the Internal Market Bill.
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08/12/2020 15:01:37 19 6
bbc
Simple answer: Stupidity & inexperience.
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08/12/2020 15:02:48 1 7
bbc
Because the Evil Union were being typically stubborn and wouldn't budge at all. I suspect England have caved in here at the 11th hour. Very sad.
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08/12/2020 15:08:18 1 2
bbc
Probably only became easy because of the proposed Bill.
405
08/12/2020 15:26:28 2 1
bbc
Simple answer : Because they didn't get all the armchair experts frequenting HYS to do their negotiating.
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08/12/2020 14:58:00 25 18
bbc
Yet another U-turn from this government. The border remains down the Irish Sea.
64
08/12/2020 15:00:03 3 9
bbc
So what does it say. This article certainly does not give any information. Are you looking at a crystal ball
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08/12/2020 14:54:36 17 33
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So, the EU have backed down. Who now can say the IMB wasn't required? Egg on your faces. I still hope for no deal, so we have a completely clean break. The EU are still NOT our friends and never have been.
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08/12/2020 15:00:04 1 18
bbc
Brits who didn't know much about the EU have not been endeared by their rhetoric and mean spirit on display throughout negotiations
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08/12/2020 15:00:08 186 36
bbc
I thought Brexit meant taking back control of our borders, not creating new ones within the UK, with the green light from the EU.
08/12/2020 16:32:56 37 6
bbc
awesome summary
08/12/2020 16:37:33 4 2
bbc
You thought wrong, then. Shouldn't have listened to what the Tories were telling you. You'll know better than to trust them in future.
08/12/2020 17:14:17 4 1
bbc
Yeah great summary, similar to the UK leaving a political union while Boris tells Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that a political union is a good thing
08/12/2020 17:25:20 0 1
bbc
Unless we pursuaded the Republic to IRexit at the same time, it was always going to be a problem.

Its the nature of the Beast. There was no ideal outcome, so no point complaining about not taking control.
08/12/2020 18:37:05 1 1
bbc
no it means the break up of the UK, always did, and that was obvious from the start (unless you were a brexit supporter, apparently). Scotland now moves to independence also.
08/12/2020 19:43:02 1 1
bbc
For supposedly smart remainers you are dumb, taking control doesn't mean you can't adjust them as you see fit - your understanding of English needs improving
67
08/12/2020 15:00:16 8 11
bbc
Well played indeed UK Govt with IBM...poker playing to the fore...
68
08/12/2020 15:00:16 8 9
bbc
If any party agrees the deal before the last possible minute they will look weak in the eyes of the people they represent. It was always going to be this way.
The BBC have done their best again to create division in our country.
As soon as it comes out that they have known Bashir lied from the start hopefully they will lose royal support and the process to defund them can be accelerated.
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08/12/2020 14:58:14 136 54
bbc
I spoke to a customer in Germany today who was well & truly hacked off with Macron & the French for pushing the UK re fishing rights. He said that borders must be respected of all global sovereign states & this includes waters. He is desperate for a deal & believes that it will/must happen, but still believes that we should not have an advantage re businesses, tax etc - I argued otherwise.
69
08/12/2020 15:00:23 97 36
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And why did you argue otherwise?
206
08/12/2020 15:11:44 43 2
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Small fisherman are screwed because successive UK governments have chosen to sell fishing rights to a tiny number of large corporations with mega trawlers. Other UK fisherman have sold their allocation to Europeans. The UK govt position is that we both want to stop EU fishing in our waters but also want tariff free access to EU markets, which is where we sell most of our fish. One has to give.
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08/12/2020 15:12:17 19 1
bbc
Presumably he argued that we (UK) should have "an advantage re business, tax etc" I mean ultimately what was the point of Brexit otherwise?
864
08/12/2020 15:54:51 8 1
bbc
Why should the big successful united EU, nearly10 times the size of the UK, be frightened of our little offshore island???
08/12/2020 16:04:05 0 3
bbc
That’s right we all want to be part of a single socialist state
08/12/2020 16:59:36 0 0
bbc
Because we are independent and in competition with the EU. Simple really.
08/12/2020 17:37:04 0 0
bbc
because we are Sovereign and can choose what taxes we apply and at what rates, if the EU think that gives us an advantage, then they can match our taxes.
to sack biased BBC Moderators Probably the rest of the 27 , particularly the French have been doing this very thing for years and getting away with it Removed
70
08/12/2020 15:00:23 9 13
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Boris has sold out Northern Ireland.
134
08/12/2020 15:05:02 3 3
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Are you honestly surprised?
40
08/12/2020 14:57:43 181 70
bbc
Unfortunately the clauses inserted in the internal market bill broke an international agreement. Counties will have taken note of the UK's proposals.

Removing them only highlights the UK's stupidity in including them, yet again, yesterday
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08/12/2020 15:00:25 20 42
bbc
They were included to make a point to the EU that the UK would not be pushed around and it WORKED. If you think you know how to do these things better then stand as an MP and put your money where your mouth is.
366
08/12/2020 15:23:33 28 8
bbc
so lies and breaking the law were included to " make a point"?
perhaps we need to look at your ethics and principles.
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Si
08/12/2020 15:37:01 8 1
bbc
I think you should wait and see what has been agreed before asserting whether the ploy worked or not. We've already gone past Boris' mid-October deadline
08/12/2020 16:41:04 2 2
bbc
In what way is the UK caving in, a threat working?
57
08/12/2020 14:59:17 99 97
bbc
It was always a negotiating stance.

dduuuurr!
72
08/12/2020 15:00:32 33 12
bbc
It failed.
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AB
08/12/2020 15:00:33 9 12
bbc
Biden speaks.

Boris listens.

That's where the UK stands.

Regardless of sovereignty
74
08/12/2020 15:00:34 8 8
bbc
And so the cave in begins, more to come Cultists
13
08/12/2020 14:54:23 19 31
bbc
They won't like me saying so but Remainers are to blame here. To blame for not addressing Leaver concerns pre-ref. To blame for not voting against Brexit in the ref (half the population didn't vote). And to blame for spending 4 years calling Leavers "thick and racist" instead of working on a solution. They could have even got a second ref over the line if they'd put the effort in.
75
08/12/2020 14:57:10 2 7
bbc
Who care's what remainers say? All their attempts to defy democracy means their opinion's don't matter at all.
13
08/12/2020 14:54:23 19 31
bbc
They won't like me saying so but Remainers are to blame here. To blame for not addressing Leaver concerns pre-ref. To blame for not voting against Brexit in the ref (half the population didn't vote). And to blame for spending 4 years calling Leavers "thick and racist" instead of working on a solution. They could have even got a second ref over the line if they'd put the effort in.
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08/12/2020 14:57:22 5 2
bbc
You still can’t take responsibility for your own exactions eh?
This is entirely the making of the Tory party, their shadowy finders and 17.4 million leave voters. Nobody else
"You can be sure there will be a deal" David Davis

"The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history" Liam Fox

"There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal" Boris Johnson

"I never promised it would be a huge success" Nigel farage

Hmmmm.........
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08/12/2020 15:00:37 89 15
bbc
"The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.
We are already beginning with zero tariffs, and we are already beginning at the point of maximal regulatory equivalence, as it is called.
In other words, our rules and our laws are exactly the same" Liam Fox.
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08/12/2020 15:17:11 32 1
bbc
The Trade Deal being negotiated will be the first to achieve less advantageous standards than were previously being used.
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08/12/2020 15:17:50 26 4
bbc
Providing the full quote doesn't really change anything. The EU isn't and has never been concerned about the starting position. They're concerned about how the UK government will change things once regulatory divergence begins.

That Liam Fox totally failed to understand that the future not the present is what would be negotiated speaks volumes.
08/12/2020 16:53:28 2 3
bbc
You talk simple rubbish for simple people.
08/12/2020 17:29:32 4 1
bbc
"and only EU politics will stop it" there, the bit you missed out ;-)
So good Brexit is for the UK that billionaire main Brexitear Jim Ratcliffe will be building his Bridgend "a vote of confidence in UK expertise" car factory in FRANCE! Of course he's also moved to Monaco to avoid paying tax. That just shows you how disgusting all this is and how the are laughing all the way to collect their billions while people in this country will lose jobs and livelihoods.
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08/12/2020 15:00:37 4 7
bbc
If this is such a great deal then why aren't the shouting about the details?
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08/12/2020 14:54:44 7 15
bbc
Window dressing

Fishing, Playing Field and Legal Checks still no progress.

This whole charade is demeaning bordering on infantile. Four and a half years of squabbling and EU stalling and we are down to the last 19 days.
Pathetic
79
08/12/2020 15:00:39 8 3
bbc
Agree. Pathetic. That's what happens, when your negotiators have no experience, no clear strategy, a distorted view of key issues, ignore those elements that are core to UK GDP & focus on meaningless symbols (??) of some mythic 'sovereignty' that never existed & will not miraculously be recovered, on leaving EU.
80
08/12/2020 15:00:42 2 6
bbc
Both sides have backed down at long last - perhaps there is a light at the end of this Euro Tunnel. Note: the UK is withdrawing the controversial clauses in the Internal Market Bill that were putting the UK in a poor light globally.
81
08/12/2020 15:00:50 7 11
bbc
I await the detail. Suspect it might be a while coming.
Anyone else thinking BoJo gets the vaccine starting to be used to hide Brexit/BRINO from the front pages?
6
08/12/2020 14:53:29 208 16
bbc
Reminds me of good old times. People arguing over Brexit 24/7.

Ahhh takes me back to 2019.
82
08/12/2020 15:00:56 74 32
bbc
It's the gift that keeps on giving

You're very welcome.
08/12/2020 16:51:57 4 1
bbc
Like herpes.
So good Brexit is for the UK that billionaire main Brexitear Jim Ratcliffe will be building his Bridgend "a vote of confidence in UK expertise" car factory in FRANCE! Of course he's also moved to Monaco to avoid paying tax. That just shows you how disgusting all this is and how the are laughing all the way to collect their billions while people in this country will lose jobs and livelihoods.
83
08/12/2020 15:00:56 7 9
bbc
What does Gina Miller think and will she go to court to stop it??
119
08/12/2020 15:03:40 3 2
bbc
Has parliamentary sovereignty been undermined then?
300
08/12/2020 15:18:34 0 0
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She thinks she’s an anagram of Llier Minga
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08/12/2020 14:54:36 17 33
bbc
So, the EU have backed down. Who now can say the IMB wasn't required? Egg on your faces. I still hope for no deal, so we have a completely clean break. The EU are still NOT our friends and never have been.
84
08/12/2020 15:00:59 6 1
bbc
So, the EU have backed down...
In what way ? they have nothing to back down over, it is the Tory cabinet who must do the backing down, Gove has just stated he is removing some items from the bill.
54
08/12/2020 14:58:54 162 142
bbc
and apparently we wont be, so they were right all along
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Ir
08/12/2020 15:01:00 67 3
bbc
There will be checks on goods...
123
08/12/2020 15:03:55 34 51
bbc
There are checks today! You just don't read about it the news.
08/12/2020 17:56:39 3 0
bbc
There will be guards, custom checks and controls - but in a Brexit head that's not a border!
86
08/12/2020 15:01:15 23 18
bbc
when this all goes wrong were are these tory party boys going to go ,back under their rocks ,these people will go down as the worst government ever and we have had some bad ones,and the worst primeminister in history and we have had some shocking ones as well.the trade deal with America will never happen what a joke
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08/12/2020 15:14:02 5 3
bbc
There is a video on You Tube of Biden stating that the U.K. is The USA’s best friend and ally that the US will always support the U.K. due to the trust between the two nations.
10
08/12/2020 14:53:31 27 29
bbc
Disgraceful and reckless that the Conservative government have used Northern Ireland, it’s businesses and the peace process as a pawn and bargaining chip for Brexit.

Utterly disgraceful.
87
08/12/2020 15:01:32 2 8
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and the EU haven't?
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08/12/2020 15:03:51 7 4
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It wasn’t the EU threatening to break international law with an IM bill.

Remove Union Jack blinkers.
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08/12/2020 15:01:32 724 132
bbc
Gove stated unequivocally that if the "law breaking" clauses were removed from the IMB, he would resign.

Over to you Mr Gove.
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08/12/2020 15:08:19 479 108
bbc
I hope you're right. But given that they whole of the cabinet are incpabale of telling the truth I suspect this will be promise broken.
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08/12/2020 15:08:36 56 14
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I second that!
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08/12/2020 15:10:48 75 12
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You really don't expect him to do anything that honorable, so don't hold your breath....
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08/12/2020 15:14:13 42 13
bbc
There's none as duplicitous as Mr Gove.

But not because he's an immoral person without any principles or ethics, oh no.

It's because he has a very short memory. So don't judge him too harshly.
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08/12/2020 15:19:22 59 13
bbc
Dont be silly, that would require integrity. Boris stayed out of the ditch, cummings went to get his eyes tested, pretty bullied a few here and there. but no chance of anyone in this gov ever resigning.
415
08/12/2020 15:27:08 39 5
bbc
Don't be silly Bob - you know he always lies through his teeth
Gove won't ever resign
495
08/12/2020 15:32:59 8 23
bbc
What is wrong with you lot?
He has a deal that all have agreed, move on.
Oh hang on you are Expat Bob, I think you need to change your passport to an EU one
505
08/12/2020 15:33:32 9 1
bbc
If Michael Gove told me that my name was Steve, I would think I must have got it wrong all these years!
632
08/12/2020 15:40:36 8 1
bbc
Perhaps they'll present him with a golden Scotch Egg
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VP
08/12/2020 15:41:06 2 1
bbc
... and you believe him? Hmmm...
653
08/12/2020 15:41:59 11 19
bbc
Not the whole quote was it! How about getting behind the Government and Country instead of constant sniping.
654
08/12/2020 15:42:08 12 2
bbc
Gove unequivocally does not understand the meaning of unequivocally!!
835
08/12/2020 15:51:57 1 0
bbc
Well as there is now an agreement on this the clauses are not needed. So they can come out.
847
08/12/2020 15:54:00 4 2
bbc
Yeah, don't focus on the good news Bob, heavens forbid. Keep chasing down the enemy.
872
08/12/2020 15:55:42 5 2
bbc
I can't make out whether you are worse than Gove or not. Gove actually said he would resign without an acceptable agreement. We appear to have one. Distorting someone's words to try and make a point makes you no better than those you are trying to criticise.
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Ken
08/12/2020 15:55:48 0 0
bbc
Really? Are you sure you're not mistaking Gove for Robert Buckland?
08/12/2020 16:03:57 7 5
bbc
I seem to remember a good number of the Remain campaign/voters claiming they would honour the result of the referendum. Like that ever happened. lol
08/12/2020 16:06:25 3 2
bbc
Is this comment supposed to be serious? the agreement has not yet been published but you decide what the contents are? would go back to your play school if I was you.
bds
08/12/2020 16:10:04 3 0
bbc
But remember his propensity for pork pies almost matches his appetite for Scotch Eggs.
08/12/2020 16:10:09 3 1
bbc
Would be a Great first if he did as promised and even better if he could take the rest of the clowns in that circus with him
08/12/2020 16:12:55 1 1
bbc
oh please do...
08/12/2020 16:14:09 3 1
bbc
He needs to take Boris, Hancock and the rest with him
08/12/2020 16:25:35 3 1
bbc
Maybe he'll lay down in front of a bulldozer instead?
Tim
08/12/2020 16:39:30 1 1
bbc
And his boss promised to be dead in a ditch but as they are both dishonest at the best of times, I wouldn't hold your breath
08/12/2020 16:39:42 1 6
bbc
The EU tried to tie the UK to their rule set by over-interpreting the Withdrawal Agreement. We responded with a "bigger gun" by inserting clauses in the Internal Markets bill. The EU, as is usual with a cowardly bully, then folded. Proof (if any more were needed) that the EU are just bullies and a need a bloody nose to put them in their place.
08/12/2020 16:50:49 1 0
bbc
Can you provide a link to Gove's comments?
08/12/2020 16:52:00 1 1
bbc
Gove meant without an agreement and you know it. Now shut up and enjoy Brexit
08/12/2020 16:56:12 0 1
bbc
Perhaps there are no blue birds over the white cliffs of Gover
08/12/2020 17:00:18 2 1
bbc
This English government were never interested in truth honesty or integrity . Over to the con. party and the English people to do something about it. They now are a complete laughing stock around the world.
Removed
08/12/2020 17:03:21 0 1
bbc
Nearly as deep as Boris' Ditch
08/12/2020 17:09:57 0 1
bbc
Oh, I do hope so. He would not be missed
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08/12/2020 15:01:36 9 13
bbc
One in the eye for the doom mongering hystericals, including the BBC.
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08/12/2020 15:16:01 0 0
bbc
The chickens haven't hatched yet so it's a bit early to start counting them.
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08/12/2020 14:58:00 25 18
bbc
Yet another U-turn from this government. The border remains down the Irish Sea.
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08/12/2020 15:01:37 1 6
bbc
Yes, cause Expat Bob was sitting in the same room.

Some people are the complete opposite of 'can-do'. Can you imagine where we would be with a bunch of expat Bob's in charge of the Gov?
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08/12/2020 15:00:03 18 9
bbc
Given that agreement appears to have been reached relatively easily, one wonders why the government did not seek a solution before introducing the controversial clauses in the Internal Market Bill.
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08/12/2020 15:01:37 19 6
bbc
Simple answer: Stupidity & inexperience.
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08/12/2020 15:01:42 7 6
bbc
Anyone?

Has the EU blinked yet?
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08/12/2020 15:02:59 4 7
bbc
Yep!
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Tom
08/12/2020 15:01:47 379 124
bbc
It's hilarious that the Leave party loved blaming the EU for being difficult when we were happy breaking international law until today.

Like stubbing your toe and blaming the coffee table!!?
125
08/12/2020 15:04:00 55 42
bbc
hilarious!
131
08/12/2020 15:04:48 13 25
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We were happy breaking international law??? Has an international law been broken?
238
08/12/2020 15:14:01 15 35
bbc
The EU (and member states) break their treaties and agreements all the time, including the agreement to negotiate with us in good faith.
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08/12/2020 15:18:23 11 25
bbc
We are not breaking International Law as the bill hadn't been passed. Never mind Int Law France doesn't even obey EU Law if it doesn't suit them.
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08/12/2020 15:24:17 9 26
bbc
This doesn't really work as an argument - then again nor do most of the remainer moans. Most are just sound bites and insults.
695
08/12/2020 15:44:10 2 1
bbc
Well said Tom
746
08/12/2020 15:47:59 0 0
bbc
Slow learners,,,,
08/12/2020 16:12:32 4 1
bbc
No one seems to be blaming the US i.e. Biden saying the UK has to stick to international law. With Boris mate out of the way he seems to be a little bit friendly. Digressing slightly I wondered how much Sunak bunged Trump for his golf course up in Scotland. Boris and Sunak are hell bent on wasting tax payers money left right an centre, especially when it involves Brexit.
08/12/2020 16:13:28 3 1
bbc
>The Court of Justice of the European Union has, at least twice, ruled that the EU does not have to follow international law – once in the context of WTO law (Portugal v Council) and once (the Kadi-Barakaat case) actually ruling that the EU should ignore the UN Charter – the highest order of international law – if it conflicts with the EU’s internal structures.
08/12/2020 16:18:09 1 3
bbc
Didn't actually break the law as the bill hasn't yet been passed, you lot and the EU fell for the double bluff, suckers.
08/12/2020 16:45:03 3 4
bbc
It's hilarious that some people think the EU is trustworthy.
08/12/2020 16:54:55 2 4
bbc
International law wasn't broken Einstein. Remainers always lying.
08/12/2020 17:04:25 2 3
bbc
Love how you totally ignore the reasons for the Internal Market Bill in the first place. It was because some hot heads in the EU decided that they would play silly beg gars and attempt to blackmail the uk by banning certain foodstuffs from entering NI. But hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good biased position
08/12/2020 17:08:48 0 0
bbc
Get real, grown up and serious - with so much having been at stake these past 4 years, I don't find any of this has ever been a "hilarious" matter to laugh about.
08/12/2020 17:58:11 0 1
bbc
There isn't a leave or remain party, the UK left the EU a year ago. If you can't hack it just emigrate.
08/12/2020 19:06:47 0 1
bbc
The law was never broken--just the suggestion that it might be.Get your facts straight please.
08/12/2020 19:07:53 0 2
bbc
We didn't break it however, though the threat of doing so worked it seems ;-)
08/12/2020 23:21:59 0 0
bbc
Calm down dear. You need to first read up on the Vienna Convention that pre dates the EU and then accept that the only way a UK govt could break the supposed its International Treaty, would be for our Parliament to sanction. Calm down: accept Brexit as I have.
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08/12/2020 14:58:39 216 54
bbc
Adults using the word 'remoaners'. Political analysis at playground level.
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08/12/2020 15:01:47 157 137
bbc
The same level of analysis as calling all leave voters racists? Playground politics has existed on both sides, if the remain campaign had actually engaged with people rather than resort to name calling than we might not be in this position.
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08/12/2020 15:21:32 35 14
bbc
that would be difficult, its like debating with spoilt 6 years olds with the sum argument " i wanna wanna wanna".

Prove us wrong - show us a tangible benefit from Brexit ........
Thought not.
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08/12/2020 15:21:49 21 41
bbc
"The same level of analysis as calling all leave voters racists? Playground politics has existed on both sides, if the remain campaign had actually engaged with people rather than resort to name calling than we might not be in this position."

Exactly right. Insulting people is NOT an argument.

The remain campaign offered nothing but sneer, smear and fear.
404
08/12/2020 15:26:24 47 18
bbc
Every person that I know who voted to leave did so to keep out foreigners and immigrants. All have spoken and continue to speak with racist under and overtones.
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08/12/2020 15:30:12 20 2
bbc
Yup. Loads of people voted Leave because somebody called them mean names.
840
08/12/2020 15:53:21 8 5
bbc
exactly - remain campaigning during the referendum were too pompous - who would dare vote against them- supposedly lots of remain minded people didnt even vote - you reap what you sow - now we have brexit and the toys are still coming out of the pram you should of shown more interest and will 4 years ago - its too late now you only have yourselves to blame -
848
08/12/2020 15:54:00 3 3
bbc
How about #Leavebeciles sums them up very well I think
Oaf
08/12/2020 16:08:49 8 1
bbc
The problem is this; whilst you may have had your own, valid and well constructed reasons for leaving, a chunk who voted and carried Leave into the majority with you were xenophobic nationalists, with vague, misty-eyed visions of Churchill, Kitchener et al or who just hated foreigners, whipped on by Farage. Few people, if any, voted leave for small-minded, hate-filled reasons.
08/12/2020 16:11:34 7 0
bbc
"if the remain campaign had actually engaged with people rather than resort to name calling"

Did the Leave Campaign?

No they just released scare stories about a non-existent Turkey Accession agreement, claimed money we weren't even giving to the EU would be given to the NHS and that we would be given completely free access to the EU to continue to trade.

Lying isn't "engaging with the people"
08/12/2020 16:14:36 7 2
bbc
Must object to that - it’s the leave camp that used ridicule - deliberately and frequently.
08/12/2020 16:37:22 2 2
bbc
How can People be responsible for something they didn't vote for, acknowledged the harm it would do, were ignored at every turn, and has been negotiated by a Govt full of Brexiteers? You own it Jack, don't drag remainers in to this nonsense. They didn't fall for the myriad of untruths in the Leave campaign. By the way, I certainly don't think all Leave voters are racist
08/12/2020 16:33:51 5 4
bbc
Not all leave voters are racists, but all racisits are leave voters. You are the ones that tarred yourself, no one else. It is also difficult not to come to that conclusion when every leaver argument eventually comes down to not liking foreigners, which, yes we understand is technically xenophobia.
08/12/2020 16:41:12 5 0
bbc
Is every Brexit voter a racist? No of course they are not. Did every racist I have come across vote for Brexit? Yes.
Ian
08/12/2020 16:41:40 4 3
bbc
I have many people tell me that they voted to leave to keep out Pakistanis. (they used another word)
It also shows just how stupid some people can be.

While many voting leave may had had honourable intentions. my experience has been that a lot are racist.

A certain section of people seem to now feel empowered to use racist language and that is very sad.
08/12/2020 16:42:02 2 1
bbc
To recap your point Jack, ‘they started it”. Think you’ve rather proved M’s point.
08/12/2020 16:48:22 2 1
bbc
Own your victory. You deserve it.
08/12/2020 17:02:17 3 1
bbc
Sadly, if you recall, the rhetoric and Insults particularly regarding our European neighbours was and remains a feature of many of the leavers since late 2015.

The leave campaign also spent a considerable amount of time insulting pretty much everyone who objected and with the aid of the popular press called our Judiciary traitors as well.

That definately included a lot of racism.
08/12/2020 18:04:55 1 1
bbc
Absolutely, it`s the sour grapes bad loser attitude that`s marred progress. If the referendum results had been accepted by remainers and they had done the right thing by supporting a democratic vote we would be done by now. The USA doesn`t have the monopoly on bad losers it would appear!
08/12/2020 18:08:48 1 1
bbc
Something not quite right in your arguement. During the discussion for leaving there was a high volume of racial slur by the Leave team especially from Farage. So its inevitable that those for leaving will be tarred with the Racist tag.
1
08/12/2020 14:51:09 47 29
bbc
This is still just ironing out the details of the withdrawal agreement that was supposedly "oven ready" a year ago. Does this Vote Leave government not realize that there are only three weeks left to get a trade deal?
95
08/12/2020 15:01:49 9 5
bbc
The reality is, given the clear visible levels of incompetence in this cabinet of nodding donkeys they don't even realize what day it is. And with regard to telling the truth, that word is not in their vocabulary
96
08/12/2020 15:01:54 6 4
bbc
A "Good News" Brexit story - love it!
242
08/12/2020 15:14:13 1 1
bbc
The fact that it is worthy of comment shows just how rare an event it is. (But not as rare as any actual benefits accruing from Brexit.)
97
08/12/2020 15:02:00 30 12
bbc
UK is doing what it signed up for a year ago. Big deal.
98
08/12/2020 15:02:10 38 4
bbc
The devil will be in the detail. But the trade deal has still not been agreed, leaving businesses in limbo at the eleventh hour with no idea what they are supposed to prepare for.
Sp
08/12/2020 18:44:33 2 0
bbc
What did you expect from the clown party voted in by the clowns?
22
08/12/2020 14:55:17 86 14
bbc
Government concern must have been real for EU to agree not to threaten hence dropping of the clauses. Breaking international law off the table, just the deal to get over the line now.
99
08/12/2020 15:02:17 96 152
bbc
I know. The only people upset about this are all the doomsayers that claimed Britain would lose international reputation due to 'breaking international law'.

As with Brexit, this shows that those clowns really don't have a clue.
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08/12/2020 15:07:14 9 1
bbc
Well, it was in the New York Times that a British Government Minister proposed legislation to the Mother of All Parliaments that would break international law. The writer thought it was a bit brazen.
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08/12/2020 15:22:05 7 0
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Wait and see what the border between NI and Ireland brings. I fear the Unionists will not be happy......however, until EU or our Gov actually tell us what has been agreed it is all speculation. There has to be custom checks somewhere......either between NI and Ireland or between mainland UK and NI. Or NIwill become a route for tarriff free trade between one or the other.
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08/12/2020 15:37:35 17 4
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It has lost international reputation. Talk to people outside Britain, and not British “expats”.
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08/12/2020 15:57:25 2 0
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We lost that reputation already, but it's not cemented in, and could be regained in the next few years. However other countries will for a while follow the example set, and use the threat of breaking international law a lot more in their negotiations or threats, some will actually do it, and we have lost the international authority to tell them to stop. It's a loss of international power
08/12/2020 16:54:53 0 0
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Dead right.
08/12/2020 17:08:04 0 0
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How are things at the circus bozo
VBR
08/12/2020 17:34:21 1 0
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Sorry to correct you, but Britain has already lost international reputation, or at least it seems so from Czechia.
08/12/2020 22:33:36 0 0
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What? The UK just dropped that nonsense law and you think that was a victory? Really?
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08/12/2020 15:02:28 7 5
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I'm assuming the reference to thanking Maroš Šefcovic is because Maroš was able to point out how they UK were breaking international law.