Brexit: PM says 'sweet reason' can get UK and EU to trade deal
08/12/2020 | news | politics | 4,967
Boris Johnson says "hope springs eternal" ahead of a meeting with the European Commission president.
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08/12/2020 10:34:24 782 209
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Boris Johnson talking about "sweet reason"?

Let's remind ourselves that Boris is/was pro-EU and following the Lord Adonis incident it was revealed that his pro-Brexit persona was all about him not wanting to side with Cameron.

Whether or not you accept it, we know him to be a proven liar & coward, as do the EU

Sweet reason from Boris & those who still believe in him amount to sweet FA.
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08/12/2020 10:41:05 327 749
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He has not lied. That calumny was said by the Pro-EU Lady Hale when she tried to overturn the democratic vote of the people. Just accept that the EU was rejected by a democratic vote. Now try to pull together to make post-Brexit Britain a success.
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08/12/2020 10:43:37 46 184
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So you think all this would have been better with Corbyn in charge? Boris ended three years of chaos caused by wooly headed liberals on both sides. If we had Corbyn we would still be in that chaos.
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08/12/2020 10:44:36 127 19
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Boris just wants to be popular. He changed sides after the referendum, and he sends in a cabinet minister to the BBC and ITV morning interviews. He has also has put people in his cabinet that are not as clever as he thinks he is.

He is becoming less popular, according to my friends who voted for him, with the caveat that he's got a hard job. That makes me giggle. What did he expect as PM???
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08/12/2020 10:46:52 137 11
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When BJ uses a phrase like 'sweet reason' I get suspicious he's trying to bury a negative news story by muddying search results, like when he said he builds 'model buses' to bury the Brexit bus story, or when he said he was a 'model of restraint' to bury the Jenifer Arcuri affair, or when he used a 'kipper' to bury his ties to UKIP.

Such a streak of dishonesty makes one cynical to every word.
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08/12/2020 10:53:35 25 110
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What lies has he told. Which side is being unreasonable? Let's talk fish, an independent Sovereign Nation offers 50 percent of its waters to an Organisation with annual reviews. Do you know of any other Nation in the World that offers the same. An organisation having done a comprehensive trade deal with another Country refuses that oven ready deal to another. Is that recognition of independence?
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08/12/2020 10:55:55 4 18
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As a famous comedian used to say "Rubbish".
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08/12/2020 10:58:06 8 49
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It does not solve the problem that the EU want a Federal state with centralised power in Brussels.

We would only be kicking the can further down the road by not addressing the elephant in the room.

EU must be about trade only.
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08/12/2020 11:08:38 6 22
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I felt a degree of despondency when Boris became PM. My primary reason for feeling this way was his behaviour- too casual and waffly. However, he does have qualities. For one, the man has almost endless positive energy and seems to be able to enthuse those around him. He is also a strategist - you may not like his style, but he is driven and intelligent. He is also doing what he said he would do.
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08/12/2020 11:11:16 7 2
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Boris has to show that metaphorically he tried, he has made a rather large mistake the majority of his party expected a deal, something substantial that the party could hold up and say we got a good deal

Nothing so far in the negotiations is any where near a good deal, maybe a very thin deal so he could say we do have a deal

The the conservative party will tear its self apart if its a bad deal
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08/12/2020 10:35:13 21 18
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This HYS will be no different to the previous Brexit HYS which has just closed.

Same insults thrown at each other with very little discussion.

Do the BBC love to cause a divide?
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08/12/2020 10:37:57 8 4
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You were onto it quickly!
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08/12/2020 10:45:20 0 2
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Apologies - my recent post has just added to the insult-throwing...... and, I realise, matters not one jot.
I will let you into a secret. Contributing to HYS is voluntary. If you are bored with it, ignore it.
So will you comment on a Brexit HYS again? My money would be on several more comments from you....starting today.
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08/12/2020 10:35:53 79 20
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Every international treaty and trade deal involves the surrender of some sovereignty. By definition, they are agreements in which countries or blocs pledge to do X, or not to do Y. Usually there are thousands of Xs and Ys. The only entity that is 100% sovereign is a screaming spoilt brat, alone in a playground, refusing to move an inch until their mommy buys them an ice cream. Adults compromise.
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08/12/2020 10:36:32 73 15
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The EU doesn't need to punish the UK for leaving. We're punishing ourselves. If you were to ask random MEPs what they want, most would say, "Get Brexit Done." They're sick of it and us. They were upset in 2016 at the lies told about the EU, broadcast by the BBC in the name of "balance". But they're over it now. *If* they want to punish us for anything it'd be wasting their time during a pandemic.
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08/12/2020 10:41:48 5 15
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So did Canada have to surrender their fishing rights, or agree that the ECJ is final arbiter in case of dispute, or state that the state-aid policies of the EUSSR both now and whatever they decide in the future apply to Canada ?

No.

so it is B/S from the EUSRR (like your post)
08/12/2020 11:38:10 2 2
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No compromises from the EU.
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08/12/2020 10:36:14 256 29
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Deal or No Deal - 2021 is going to be a difficult year. January is going to be a very difficult month either way.
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08/12/2020 10:59:58 207 52
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Won't somebody rid me of this turbulent clown
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08/12/2020 11:03:25 24 6
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I do not believe it will just be a difficult year
With a deal it maybe difficult for a couple of years
Without a deal I think we are in for the long run 5-10 years and most of those will be austerity type measures on those at the bottom to middle of society AGAIN
sorry but I have no trust in Conservative governments who will only do what is best for the top tiers in society, the rest have to beg
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08/12/2020 11:11:30 17 5
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So far, failed to provide exporters with any guidelines, there is no functioning IT system, the lorry park in Ashford is a pile of mud.

Hardly any of the 50k new customs officers, and less than 1/5 of the vets that are needed have been hired.

European logistics companies are already refusing to take loads to the UK 'cos it's too much hassle, and UK hauliers are locked out of loading in the EU!
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08/12/2020 11:08:59 7 23
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No. UK business is booming. Most UK businesses and employers are SMEs. and we are all really busy at the moment, and brimming with confidence. It is only slow to move dinosaur companies that are not able to cope with Brexit.
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08/12/2020 10:35:53 79 20
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Every international treaty and trade deal involves the surrender of some sovereignty. By definition, they are agreements in which countries or blocs pledge to do X, or not to do Y. Usually there are thousands of Xs and Ys. The only entity that is 100% sovereign is a screaming spoilt brat, alone in a playground, refusing to move an inch until their mommy buys them an ice cream. Adults compromise.
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08/12/2020 10:36:32 73 15
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The EU doesn't need to punish the UK for leaving. We're punishing ourselves. If you were to ask random MEPs what they want, most would say, "Get Brexit Done." They're sick of it and us. They were upset in 2016 at the lies told about the EU, broadcast by the BBC in the name of "balance". But they're over it now. *If* they want to punish us for anything it'd be wasting their time during a pandemic.
08/12/2020 14:24:45 1 0
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Well said mate.
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08/12/2020 10:36:37 25 2
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up to now they've been doing sweet FA, so seems apt.
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08/12/2020 10:36:50 17 8
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The way all this is going it wouldn’t be surprising if the money spent trying to resolve fishing eventually is as much as this sector contributes to the economy in a given year.
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08/12/2020 10:37:09 799 109
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Another day, another empty slogan.
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08/12/2020 10:50:27 122 324
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Suggest you check your thesaurus. The expression sweet reason is very apt .
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08/12/2020 11:08:12 63 10
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I hope that Boris soon to retire to make models of buses with happy passengers. lol!
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08/12/2020 11:07:21 12 106
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.......from remainers. :-)
08/12/2020 11:46:42 80 4
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Come 2021 the chief exports of the UK will be:
Empty slogans.
Empty rhetoric.
Mountains of sovereignty.
08/12/2020 11:57:48 8 31
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Moan moan moan ????????????????????
08/12/2020 12:04:50 5 31
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Give it one month and I'll look forward to your HYS messages containing the line 'I told you so'. Written at the time by you with a delightfully glib expression on your face while reading the latest email from Momentum and quaffing a glass of your favourite French Fizz.
08/12/2020 12:09:34 19 2
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As Ian Dury sang "The hope that springs eternal, springs right up your behind", and I suspect that's what's going to happen here.
08/12/2020 12:25:03 0 2
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Do you wanna have a go?
08/12/2020 12:46:43 5 12
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Another day, another bbc hys, designed to fester anti brexit resistance by our quisling national broadcaster.

As usual the same old people spew bile around in their cosy little echo chamber and their peers gleefully clap and cheer.

Out in the real world the eu still refuses to acknowledge the Britain is a sovereign nation. Their dogmatic intransigence will be the sole cause of No Deal.

GOOD.
08/12/2020 12:29:46 0 2
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at least you had your post put up.
08/12/2020 12:52:06 1 2
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Another day, another empty comment.
08/12/2020 13:14:02 2 5
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Another day, another moaning remainer
08/12/2020 13:16:55 4 1
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Yes. Boris Johnsonov appears to be a liar and a conman! I hope he is rapidly going to be found out by the British people and rightly blamed (along with others) for the ruination of our country!
08/12/2020 13:19:42 2 5
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Another day, another biased BBC column full of sanctimonious remoaner sore losers
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08/12/2020 10:37:12 102 24
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Boris just like the last time will give in to the EU and then a few months down the line will break his word.....When he actually reads what he signed up to.
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08/12/2020 10:44:24 29 51
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Can I borrow your crystal ball for the lottery next week?
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08/12/2020 10:37:19 538 148
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"Sweet reason"???

Surely even Leavers must now admit that Bojo never had a plan and was just fooling them all along.

His blustering optimism has led this country to the edge of ruin. It's no substitute for a detailed understanding of the EU.
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08/12/2020 11:03:03 121 98
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His plan was to get a deal or leave on WTO terms at the end of December. So far at least, he seems to be holding to that.

'Detailed understanding'?
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08/12/2020 11:08:04 25 4
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They have blind faith in Boris despite his evident and provable flaws and lies. Blind faith is required when you still support something despite everything you were promised being proved to be a lie.

Easiest deal in history, we hold all the cards, have our cake and eat it, oven ready deal, etc. Instead we have lorry parks, portaloos and a shredded international reputation.
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08/12/2020 11:12:53 5 5
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Surely no one voted on the basis of what any politician said? leave or remain, they were both only out for self interest... surely everyone knows this? it has little to do with a plan, and everything to do with a democratic vote.. its that simple, its how a democracy works.
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08/12/2020 11:12:58 5 17
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The pandemic has led the World to massive economic problems. The UK in comparison economically is actually doing fine and we have some of the most stringent indicators.
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08/12/2020 11:22:42 7 13
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How can you have a plan in a situation which is completely fluid . Although to be fair the EU had a plan :...........to keep us in at all costs .
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08/12/2020 11:18:39 6 19
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He has kept his word about freedom of movement and that is more than Starmer and the Labour Party did. They said they would respect the referendum result and then said there would be another referendum. We will never forget that. Real working class people are with Boris.
Bob
08/12/2020 11:57:00 1 5
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People left because the EU is crap not because we had a plan.
08/12/2020 12:15:51 1 1
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'Edge of ruin'? Your hyperbole exceeds all known parameters sunshine......
08/12/2020 12:19:39 2 1
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Johnson had a plan, to be PM - the rest is for the birds.
Ch
08/12/2020 12:24:18 2 1
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They'll never admit that. All the brexit voters I've even met have two things in common - a bloody mindedness that refuses to acknowledge they were taken for complete mugs - and utter stupidity.
08/12/2020 13:22:00 1 1
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The only plan was finalised at the last referendum and we left the EU last January. The EU obviously has no plan for any State to leave the EU. Hence it takes a little time finalise new associations.
08/12/2020 13:32:36 1 1
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So we are on the edge of ruin , are we? How upset you will be when this does not happen.
08/12/2020 14:00:04 1 1
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BJ will go when the time is right more interested in leaving than that clown Only problem there'll a lot of uneccesary mess to clear after him because he doesn't understand detail but TBH most political parties suffer from that read the 'blunders of our governments'
jad
08/12/2020 14:45:49 0 0
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I voted leave back in 2016 I wasn't voting for Boris so your talking about is rubbish,. In 2018 we voted for the party that would give us leave which meant, labour, liberal and anybody else didn't have a hope hence his 80 seat majority.
Yes it might turn out Boris has screwed us leavers over and he is a remainer underneath, but he won't be in power next time if he does. Ill vote anyone but Tory.
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08/12/2020 10:37:25 11 5
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It's starting to look more like sweat reason.

Getting nervous, busboy?
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08/12/2020 10:37:31 5 8
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Can we lockdown brexit HYS’s?
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08/12/2020 10:45:04 2 2
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What other HYSs would you like shut down (without seeing the irony of commenting to them)?
Before anyone on HYS has ever answered the question: "What are the advantages to British consumers and exporters of ending existing Free Trade Agreements in favour of trading with WTO tariffs and additional red tape?"
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08/12/2020 10:35:13 21 18
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This HYS will be no different to the previous Brexit HYS which has just closed.

Same insults thrown at each other with very little discussion.

Do the BBC love to cause a divide?
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08/12/2020 10:37:57 8 4
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You were onto it quickly!
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08/12/2020 10:38:03 2 6
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Has anything changed from yesterday?
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08/12/2020 10:43:21 2 1
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Only my pants.
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08/12/2020 10:38:06 12 8
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Sweet FA Bunter more like
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08/12/2020 10:38:34 9 6
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Bunter finds Elvis on the moon
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08/12/2020 10:38:46 114 19
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Johnson's problem is that to get the power he craves, he created a monster which he now cannot control.

A monster that will not say "it was my own democratic will and I accept the consequences" when they are hit by the DIY recession.

Well, Lady Thatcher would control the monster, but Johnson is anything but; he was too scared to even enforce a lockdown!
08/12/2020 12:00:09 39 29
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thatcher controlled the monster to purposely destroy all our manufacturing.
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08/12/2020 10:38:48 403 81
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Fingers crossed but lets be clear on one thing.

Its not remainers that were/are being unpatriotic in not supporting Brexit. Its quite the opposite, the whole reason many voted no was because we saw this shambles as it was and wanted to protect the UK from years of squabbling and infighting.
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08/12/2020 10:42:34 109 296
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lol. Its amazing how remain lost as now it appears they know why both sides voted... You'd think they would have used such super powers to better advantage wouldn't you..
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08/12/2020 10:49:27 1 65
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LETS JUST TEll the EU dictatoship where to go and qnyone who is pro european . TEll MERKEL LYDEN AND ALL THGERMAN FRENCH CREPPS TO GET STUFFED AND WALK AWAY FROM THE LYING REMAIN NEOGiations
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08/12/2020 11:27:51 5 28
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So proceeded to deny the democratic result because the vote went against you. Going to Court backfired as the Sovereign Parliament passed the revocation of 1972 Act and thus exit EU 31 Jan 2020. So yes you were unpatriotic.
08/12/2020 11:41:36 7 28
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Do you not think that the actions of some remainers are the cause of the squabbling . Accept the referendum result and get behind it and ....no squabbling . Easy .
08/12/2020 12:09:09 7 1
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I didn't trust politicians to do the best for the UK so I voted remain. I still didn't expect the complete shambles this government is making of the trade negotiations.
08/12/2020 12:09:37 7 1
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Well said. Remainers want what is best for the UK, brexiteers want a blue passport.
08/12/2020 12:19:52 0 6
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Remoaners are unpatriotic. Even now, after we have left and are in negotiation with a third party, you STILL can't bring yourself to work for the common good. You undermine the country at every opportunity.
But you ARE the minority, you were wrong and you lost!
Support your country.
The EU arguement about a level playing field is a joke given they are trying to provide a recovery fund of £750B!
08/12/2020 12:27:16 1 4
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Shame you weren't so patriotic about the detrimental effects continued membership of the eu had on millions in this country.
What you're saying is you couldn't give a cabman's benediction about that but now your comfortable way of life, at the expense of others, is under threat you've suddenly developed a conscience.
Welcome to our world of uncertainty, and others not giving a hoot.
It sucks.
08/12/2020 13:34:44 0 1
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I don't believe that. Many Remainers think the EU is better than Britain.
08/12/2020 14:05:20 0 2
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It's a funny way of showing it as they've been squabbling since the result and will probably continue well into the next decade It's democracy and they've had their chance in 2016 and 2019 how many chances do they want?
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08/12/2020 10:38:57 231 42
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"Yes food will be more expensive, but we'll make dishwashers cheaper"

You couldn't make this up
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08/12/2020 11:11:26 153 27
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Try telling the family who can't afford food that they can now buy a cheaper dishwasher.
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08/12/2020 11:13:43 15 0
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We’ll be abe to wash the empty plates clean!
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ET
08/12/2020 11:21:42 24 1
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Clearly demonstrating the total lack of knowledge of normal lives.
Maybe it needs spelling out:
Saving £20 on a dishwasher.... that lasts three years. 50p+ a week saving.
Grocery bill up £5 a week. This isn’t good economic news.
And if you can’t afford a dishwasher, then it’s terrible news on many levels.
At least you can have a blue passport and go to Grimsby to watch trawlers docking......
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Jon
08/12/2020 11:23:26 4 1
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Hey, some tariffs are removed under WTO rules. I saw the list of products.
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08/12/2020 11:27:53 20 0
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"Let them eat dishwashers"
08/12/2020 11:57:08 16 0
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The dishwashers will not even be cheaper. They are only cheaper if they are from outside the EU and from somewhere without an EU FTA, since there is no tariff to remove on EU-made goods, and the loss of value of our currency has wiped out any saving anyway.

I forgot, of course, that they will be cheaper once we dump all those "silly" EU environmental and safety regulations.
08/12/2020 12:06:54 0 0
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Washing up ! They don`t come cheaper than me. I wonder if they can clone me ? Gosh , I would make millions just by being myself :)
08/12/2020 12:41:03 1 8
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Actually it is likely that food from outside the EU will be cheaper. Import tariffs on food coming into the UK, and other import tariffs, are funds that go to the UK Government which can choose what to do with the billions received, including subsidising food.
08/12/2020 13:47:14 1 2
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None of this will happen.
08/12/2020 13:47:43 1 0
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Being Boris he means dishwahers would be cheaper if only you could get them
08/12/2020 14:10:02 3 0
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See today's report on food shortages. And medicines. And tariffs on car parts. With shortages growing on white goods such as fridges and, yes, dishwashers which are stacking up at overwhelmed ports pre Xmas and Brexit rush. Companies which require parts will go bust when they fail to arrive or run short. Since 2017 the UK has plummeted down the export league. Not good, Brexiteers.
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08/12/2020 10:39:01 312 70
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If we pass this internal bill through parliament, no amount of sweet reason will ever fix our reputation of breaking international law.
Striking an agreement and breaking our word is not the British way!
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08/12/2020 10:46:49 229 46
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Yup, brexit has backed the country into a corner. If we pass the internal markets bill we will anger the USA and EU by breaking the GFA which is a bad idea when we are desperate for a trade deal with each. if we dont pass the IM markets bill then its going to be a nightmare within the UK.

we are boned
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08/12/2020 11:11:30 5 17
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We have not broken any laws
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08/12/2020 11:14:34 12 2
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They did vote it through again last night, more ping pong with the Lords, then use the Parliament act to pass it eventually. There's also the other bill being voted on on Weds which is just as bad!
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08/12/2020 11:22:34 2 1
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No such thing.
Removed
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08/12/2020 11:29:53 4 7
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It’s the French way , though . Sanctimonious twaddle .
08/12/2020 11:39:59 1 2
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I think that they put up the bill (unacceptable parts) to gain a bit of negotiating ground. Something to give in on.
08/12/2020 11:43:39 2 3
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No f st has broken the law yet and we may never do so.
08/12/2020 11:43:51 3 0
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It's the British way alright read The English Job by Jack Straw. Or the FCO's historian in 1966 originally classified secret: British Policy in Abadan. High ideals, low cunning. We do not have a written constitution for these very reasons: we can and do change our written and spoken words when it's politically to our advantage whether in the UK or internationally
08/12/2020 11:53:04 4 9
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Check your facts mate, the EU breaks international law whenever it suits them
Read this https://reaction.life/the-new-brexit-storm/
You are right, it's not the British way, that is why we must leave this wicked protection racket.
08/12/2020 12:24:01 0 0
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Especially in less than a year!
08/12/2020 12:03:53 1 0
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International Law does not exist as it need all parties tocomply. China, US, Russia and many other break it daily. Reputation is a load of dog do and ho gives a monkey, the only thing that counts in todays world is $$$$$ and GDP and ho can bomb who without too many reprisals.
08/12/2020 12:24:23 1 1
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The EU are hypocrits. The EU has ignored WTO rulings on GMOs and hormone treated beef. The Court of Justice of the European Union has, at least twice, ruled that the EU does not have to follow international law – once in the context of WTO law (Portugal v Council) and once (the Kadi-Barakaat case) actually ruling that the EU should ignore the UN Charter – the highest order of international law.
Raj
08/12/2020 12:34:07 1 0
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Yes it is. Check how the British empire was built.
08/12/2020 13:04:34 0 0
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Trickery is not the British way either.
08/12/2020 13:37:10 0 1
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Everybody knows that countries break international law ll the time. France has certainly done it.
08/12/2020 14:15:07 0 0
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I suspect it's been used as a bargianing tool because if we get the deal we'll not push the bill through bit naive may be but I think that was the 'threat' whether the EU see through it or take it serioulsy is up to them
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08/12/2020 10:39:02 218 34
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Why does this man speak in quasi poetic riddles as if he is some kind of twenty-first century mystic bard?
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08/12/2020 11:12:29 151 23
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It a nutshell - he thinks it makes him lovable and ladies giggled when he did it at parties.
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08/12/2020 11:18:04 30 0
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Because he has nothing to say of any substance and nothing to say that even the most HYS simpleton could not rip to shreds after 30 sec of research on the internet.
So he just bumbles drivel and nonsense , makes him look good to his slow witted followers and compliant press
Also the fact he won't answer a question without going on an off subject drivel fest makes me wonder about the "free press"
Bob
08/12/2020 12:00:49 1 18
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Because hes not as boring s you.
08/12/2020 13:46:06 0 4
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Because he is cleverer than you, and more amusing.
08/12/2020 14:12:55 1 0
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He really fancies himself becoming a like a legendary poet of Rome.

Thing is that he will just be remembered for making a mess of this country. Yay 4 slogans.
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08/12/2020 10:39:17 17 2
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Sweet reason? Do what's right for the country or be craven to the shrill cries of betrayalism from a few?
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08/12/2020 10:39:18 7 2
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It'll be done by Friday. We just don't know which Friday that will be.
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08/12/2020 10:39:21 8 5
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Sweet reason eh Boris?

I'd say "Sweet Jesus" would be more apt.
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08/12/2020 10:39:36 51 6
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Gloomy comments from the media and politicians. Paint the picture black. Then rush over to Brussels, get a deal, and come back looking like a hero. And the BJ supporters will be ecstatic. Can't the fools see it's all showmanship ? You're being taken for fools.
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08/12/2020 11:35:16 9 5
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If there were a deal it would have been agreed and leaked. why would the EU wait to announce it? Why carry on with the bill to break international law? Why wait another day? Your conspiracy theory is just wishful thinking.
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08/12/2020 10:39:48 170 30
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Remember, even if we get no deal, we're all ordered to go and be happy and celebrate, at the £150m tax-payer funded 'Brexit party'.

It's beyond words ... 'Beatings will continue until morale improves'.
08/12/2020 12:14:18 52 12
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Is the Brexit 50p still coming? Watch them disappear from circulation at record speed as those who don't wish to be reminded of this disaster throw them away or bury them.
08/12/2020 13:45:12 0 2
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Not funny.
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08/12/2020 10:39:53 217 69
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who the hell under 50,
voted for this "old timer, xenophobic, economic basket case, clap trap"
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08/12/2020 10:42:22 138 35
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Age has nothing to do with it, who voted for him anyway?
I did, so you can stop your blatant ageism. You nonces can't imagine a situation where someone has a different view to you so you just find a victim and blame it all on them. Wake up, moron. Removed
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08/12/2020 10:43:37 3 19
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Shouldn't talk about the EU Commission like that !!
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08/12/2020 10:45:07 20 10
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Hardly anyone: like Brexit, it's the achievement of the rich and retired.
And its the productive generation that pays the price.
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08/12/2020 10:45:15 7 17
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I think you’ve forgotten what the alternative was.
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Jon
08/12/2020 10:48:48 4 3
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Let's Get Brexit Duh
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08/12/2020 11:22:36 3 5
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52% of the county what a silly question
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08/12/2020 11:34:07 2 1
bbc
More ageism, it's rampant on HYS. The point about a democracy is that everyone gets a vote, irrespective of age, gender etc., etc. Never mind who voted for Brexit, who voted for Johnson?!
943
08/12/2020 11:35:46 5 2
bbc
If any of the opposition parties had proposed both acknowledging the referendum result and moderate policies, they would have strolled into Downing Street. Corbyn and Co were delusional that Britain would vote for policies that have been rejected at the ballot box for the last 100 years and the other parties had no new ideas. Boris and Farage did not believe the EU would unite the way they have.
08/12/2020 11:46:15 0 0
bbc
Some kind of 'sun feelers'.
08/12/2020 11:57:52 3 0
bbc
don't tar all over 50's with the same brush. I'm past 50 and i never voted for this. You might find a fair few under 50 voted for this. The i'll lose my job to a better trained European brigade
Bob
08/12/2020 12:01:28 0 3
bbc
I did. No better option
08/12/2020 13:00:34 1 0
bbc
I know a few, however I'm over 70 and I voted remain along with a number of my over 70 friends. Although we are all well educated and have a number of professional and academic qualifications.
08/12/2020 13:38:50 0 0
bbc
Don't know mate. But about 65% of the Electorate at the last referendum did not vote to stay in the EU followed by an increased majority at the last general election for the Conservatives.
08/12/2020 13:44:44 0 1
bbc
Corbyn is over ten years older than Johnson. Is that who you voted for?
Pip
08/12/2020 15:35:21 0 0
bbc
I'm 71, and I certainly didn't vote for all this clap trap........?
28
08/12/2020 10:39:58 286 61
bbc
So Johnson’s off to Brussels to beg for a deal now he realises he’s between a rock and a hard place. Just like May. Just like Cameron. We don’t have the upper hand and never had have. So is a rubbish deal or no deal take it or leave it. Either way he’s toast.
898
08/12/2020 11:33:52 62 168
bbc
With people like you we’d never have any sort of chance .
08/12/2020 12:54:38 1 1
bbc
and just like Chamberlain, what's the betting he will return, stepping of the plane, waving a blank piece of paper, nay a white flag saying, "don't worry, peace has been assured, I surrendered to the evil axis!, but now we must start to re-arm for the next battle!, which is: how to extract ouselves from the consequences of appeasement".
08/12/2020 12:59:49 0 2
bbc
So by your reasoning we should have stayed with a gang which treats us as subservient. Better off out then
08/12/2020 13:03:45 2 0
bbc
I for one will be celebrating the day that clown goes. Problem is we could end up with Gove.
08/12/2020 13:22:28 2 0
bbc
Surely you mean a "rock and a hard plaice"?
08/12/2020 13:27:03 0 2
bbc
At least he is trying.
08/12/2020 13:39:23 0 0
bbc
Either way you are talking rubbish.
08/12/2020 13:46:07 1 0
bbc
Regrettably, so is the UK.
jad
08/12/2020 14:53:43 0 1
bbc
We would have the upper hand if he had a pair of balls and walked away a long time ago. Yes we would be trading WTO now, but then trade talks could of started on an even keel without timescales. Stupid way to have progressed these talks.
Remainers would have shut up by now instead all you read is moan moan moan.
The world was not going to have ended just because we left life would of gone on.
29
08/12/2020 10:40:00 8 18
bbc
Unfortunately, the EUSSR are not interested in "reason", Macron has dwindling to no support personally back in France, and he thinks being bellicose in this negotiation will help him to survive politically.
It won't. Dead dwarf walking.
He needs a good "handbagging" from Merkel.
264
08/12/2020 10:56:48 1 1
bbc
EUSSR..... clearly you have little/no idea how the European institutions operate. Perhaps it is something you overheard someone reading from the Daily Mail or such like.
30
08/12/2020 10:40:14 4 2
bbc
Ahh, time to sit back and watch the reasoned arguments put forward between 'EurophileFBPE3.5" and "BulldogDave145445644". Should all be cleared up by lunch
31
08/12/2020 10:40:19 7 6
bbc
It's highly likely an agreement will be made and then no doubt these brads will explode with "BoJo caved in" and "EU backed down" as both sides of the argument on here try to claim some weird moral victory.
In reality it is what is known as "negotiating" where both sides reach a compromise for the better of both parties.
But no doubt immature name calling from both sides will erupt.
32
08/12/2020 10:40:33 2 11
bbc
Where is the EU vaccine ?
47
08/12/2020 10:42:06 7 2
bbc
Oh the one we've purchased you mean...
128
08/12/2020 10:48:30 0 1
bbc
We're using it.
373
08/12/2020 11:03:20 0 1
bbc
As opposed to the "UK" Vaccine, that was created in partnership with Pfizer (USA) and BioNTech (Germany[EU]), that we are flying into the UK as we are concerned that Brexit will delay deliveries at UK Ports.
Are you sure you want a vaccine that was made by a German company, founded by the children of Turkish Immigrants. Don't you want to wait until there's a 100% English version?
33
08/12/2020 10:40:43 236 43
bbc
Would you trust this man to keep his word?
118
08/12/2020 10:47:39 222 43
bbc
I would not trust him to walk my dog, let alone his word.
267
08/12/2020 10:56:54 10 1
bbc
Nor trust him with my daughter
450
08/12/2020 11:07:56 2 19
bbc
No more and no less than any politician of any party- home or abroad.
466
08/12/2020 11:08:43 12 1
bbc
Easy answer is 'No'
489
08/12/2020 11:10:17 9 1
bbc
He is trying to restore his reputation. Did you notice during the General Election he never, EVER, said that Brexit would be a success or make our lives better - as that is so obviously untrue and no-one sensible believes that any more.

He merely kept repeating that we had to do it anyway.
820
08/12/2020 11:28:46 0 11
bbc
Yes as much as I trust any Politician.
850
08/12/2020 11:30:15 0 12
bbc
Yes .
08/12/2020 11:45:17 0 14
bbc
Yes, of course, so far he has done precisely what he said he would.
08/12/2020 12:18:47 0 4
bbc
I don't trust politicians full stop. they are nothing but a bunch of hot air spouting liars only in for it as long as they get loads of dosh...and worest of all is the santamonious idiots who spout social reform, as long as it doesnt effect their pockets
08/12/2020 13:40:02 0 1
bbc
I would not trust anyone with a username as stupid as yours.
08/12/2020 14:05:51 1 0
bbc
There's quite a few Tory apologists trying to deflect this as a "I don't trust any politician" but that isn't the point here. Would you trust Bojo the Clown? The answer is a plain "no"
08/12/2020 14:23:48 0 0
bbc
Clowns are funny......
34
08/12/2020 10:40:46 35 8
bbc
The on.y deal Johnson will get has already been cooked.

It’s his and it’s Goose !
35
08/12/2020 10:40:48 41 19
bbc
Why not cut n paste all the comments from the previous Brexit HYS.

It will be exactly the same.
50
08/12/2020 10:42:21 34 11
bbc
You don't have to be here....
112
08/12/2020 10:47:08 3 1
bbc
Including this one!
231
08/12/2020 10:42:01 2 1
bbc
including this one
272
08/12/2020 10:57:09 6 1
bbc
Some people change their minds form one day to the next - Bojo for example
569
08/12/2020 10:43:48 0 2
bbc
it would be worse if labour were in charge right tess
645
08/12/2020 11:18:24 1 0
bbc
No, just do a list.
1. They need us more than we need them.

2. They will crawl to us for a deal.

3. They will lose more than we do.

can be condensed to

123.

No.
36
08/12/2020 10:40:50 9 22
bbc
No other country has been asked for such absurd regulatory standards as the UK.
These regulations ergo the level playing field breaches our sovereignty so we would become a VASSAL STATE TO THE EU?
Whom might and could change its regulations to punish us badly as a free democratic sovereign state.
WALK AWAY TIME BORIS, as whom might vote for a political arty that cannot deliver its own mandate!!
43
08/12/2020 10:41:41 4 4
bbc
Walk away EU more like....
44
08/12/2020 10:41:45 0 4
bbc
Simplistic nonsense.
59
08/12/2020 10:43:05 2 1
bbc
The fact he doesn't walk away in more than 3.5 years probably tells you that it's not that easy. What would you expect: the platonic plate that carries Europe to go away. That's the problem: get no-deal and it's not over.
83
08/12/2020 10:45:03 1 2
bbc
No .. what the EU is saying is 'If you make it so your businesses don't have to pay maternity pay or sick leave, and so they can do whatever environmental damage they want, yet can trade tariff free in the EU - OR COURSE YOU CAN PRODUCE WIDGETS CHEAPER and make EU factories go bust.

We don't mind you competing if it's fair. But you scrapping workers rights when we won't is not fair.
122
08/12/2020 10:48:14 2 2
bbc
Learn how to use whom if you want to start dropping it in, a combo of CAPS and useless grammar - a lovely euphemism for Brexit.
37
08/12/2020 10:40:54 432 80
bbc
It's crass one liners like this from Johnson that absolutely proves he is not a serious politician.
536
08/12/2020 11:12:17 368 71
bbc
As a lifelong Tory voter I can only add that the sooner we are rid of this blatant liar the better.
615
08/12/2020 11:16:10 43 1
bbc
True. As said in reply to Scott C above,
'He talks in clichés and thinks it's terribly impressive and clever to coin supposedly snappy slogans and fancy new metaphors.'
The EU is not fooled, but a majority of the British electorate was - for far too long - and it will rue the day.
08/12/2020 11:23:36 3 18
bbc
He is a one Liner from the Labour Party, " We will respect the referendum result".
08/12/2020 13:08:55 1 0
bbc
I think he is keeping it simple so the majority of the population can understand it. Given the majority of us are tribal, dogmatic and blinkered I think he is has the level of complexity just about right.
08/12/2020 13:24:40 0 3
bbc
Just a very good manager dealing with so-called, but intransigent, friends.
08/12/2020 13:33:55 0 2
bbc
No doubt you would prefer the normal bland politician's soundbites.
09/12/2020 12:37:10 0 0
bbc
He tries to be too Churchillian in his metaphors for the British public. Hopefully as he is fluent in French he keeps it to the point tonight, and brushes his hair.
38
08/12/2020 10:41:03 612 180
bbc
EU remains consistent for four years.....

Boris changes direction twice a day.

No contest.
144
08/12/2020 10:49:34 321 557
bbc
But that's a lie.

The EU smugly proposed a Canada style deal thinking we would want something more comprehensive.

When we said "OK" a deal like Canada would be fine...

...the EU started crying and moved the goalposts.
348
08/12/2020 11:01:51 105 7
bbc
I don't know why Boris just didn't ask one of the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit. We've been told for 4 years that they all voted for the same thing and they knew exactly what they were voting for so they would have been able to quickly clarify to him what a Brexit deal would look like. This would have surely saved us from all these negotiations.
559
tv
08/12/2020 11:13:21 3 11
bbc
Consistently Moronic
711
08/12/2020 11:22:08 1 1
bbc
11 months!!!! The EU would not negotiate until we officially left. The EU and HMG consistently told you that. We officially left on 31st January 2020.
777
08/12/2020 11:10:11 0 13
bbc
The stubbornness of the EU will be their downfall. Probably quite soon.
1
08/12/2020 10:34:24 782 209
bbc
Boris Johnson talking about "sweet reason"?

Let's remind ourselves that Boris is/was pro-EU and following the Lord Adonis incident it was revealed that his pro-Brexit persona was all about him not wanting to side with Cameron.

Whether or not you accept it, we know him to be a proven liar & coward, as do the EU

Sweet reason from Boris & those who still believe in him amount to sweet FA.
39
08/12/2020 10:41:05 327 749
bbc
He has not lied. That calumny was said by the Pro-EU Lady Hale when she tried to overturn the democratic vote of the people. Just accept that the EU was rejected by a democratic vote. Now try to pull together to make post-Brexit Britain a success.
102
08/12/2020 10:46:30 158 18
bbc
To assert that Brino Johnson has not lied is like saying fish can talk!
Preposterous statement.
174
08/12/2020 10:52:13 170 12
bbc
He's not lied... apart from being fired twice, for lying, , 'There will be no checks on goods from GB to NI", "no country currently has a functioning track and trace app' and let's not forget "£350 million a week for the NHS"... but yes, he's not lied...
180
08/12/2020 10:52:27 136 12
bbc
If you really believe Boris has not lied during the Brexit debacle then you need to read more. The man is indeed a known and consistant liar and if you voted for him and for leaving on the basis of his arguments then shame on you. He campaigned on a huge bus that had a lie written on it...
"He has not lied." - tell that to his ex-wife who was receiving cancer treatment whilst he was having extra marital affairs! Removed
205
08/12/2020 10:54:09 42 4
bbc
So you remove jobs, make us poorer, remove our freedoms and you want to get together simple no
239
08/12/2020 10:55:47 51 4
bbc
That travesty of a democratic vote, when we were told we would have a deal, that we would have a second referendum to vote on the deal?
340
08/12/2020 11:01:20 30 4
bbc
Put this into your geehady head:

In DEMOCRACY the courts don't enforce the "will of the people" but the LAW.

Also, attacks on judges who apply the law is not for DEMOCRATIC countries but for 3rd world ones. Like for example Brexistan...

Almost forgot: We can see in America how much your lot respects "democracy" and "the will of the people".
379
08/12/2020 11:03:44 37 3
bbc
Compare what you were promised at the start of the brexit propaganda spin, to what is on offer now, you will quickly see the lies. And before you start shouting about the EU playing hardball, they haven't changed their position from the start. Also, is democracy promising something to the people in order to get their vote, knowing its impossible?
434
08/12/2020 11:07:11 22 3
bbc
He was part of the Vote Leave campaign that sold the public a Brexit that isn't and wasn't possible. "Pulling together" doesn't change the fact that half our food comes from outside the UK.
447
08/12/2020 11:07:51 27 3
bbc
What rubbish.

Johnson has done nothing but lie the whole of his career.

He lied to get the job he has proved that he is definitely not capable of.

Brexit is farce and a NO DEAL is a very real destructive abyss that will destroy this country and is what this Govt has been pushing for all along

Brexit is NOT in my name, so don't make it so.
515
08/12/2020 11:11:21 20 2
bbc
He has lied repeatedly. And the kind of deal proposed during the referendum campaign and which a tiny majority voted for was hugely different to what is now on offer. It is not Remain supporters who have brought us to this point. It’s the ERG Tories who refused to support a sound agreement when it was available. This is a deeply shameful moment in our history- with a PM whose word no-one trusts.
530
08/12/2020 11:12:02 13 2
bbc
Have you forgotten all of his lies? The kipper? The "we will leave in Oct.19"? The "prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit"? The "Barnier threatened to block food going into NI"? And those are only the recent examples - he made his name as a journalist willing to tell entertaining lies.
557
08/12/2020 11:13:20 13 2
bbc
"I am not by any means an ultra-Eurosceptic. In some ways, I am a bit of a fan of the European Union. If we did not have one, we would invent something like it." - Boris Johnson, MP for Henley-on-Thames. "Quitting the EU won't solve our problems...We would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by 'Bwussels'" Boris Johnson, Telegraph 2013
558
08/12/2020 11:13:20 9 2
bbc
Pull together? Lol, no.

If the last five years has taught me anything it's that having a certain nationality doesn't mean you're on each others side

I'm tired of having two fingers waved at me and living with policies that consistently favour the older generation

Own your own mess
572
08/12/2020 10:45:51 1 16
bbc
Yeah exacterly ! Its not us brexiters that are the problem its them remoaners ! They should sort out this mess if they love the eu so much its not are fault !
605
08/12/2020 11:15:50 11 1
bbc
Bojo is a proven Liar. His lies were proven in court. He got fired for telling whopping porkies...Boris Johnson is a pathological liar....
40
08/12/2020 10:41:20 221 45
bbc
So in other words the great wally is trying to pass the blame already
998
08/12/2020 11:38:23 137 31
bbc
The people bringing you Brexit are all very rich and nicely cosseted from any fall out. They will not suffer at all. You, me & Joe Public will pay the price for their greed, arrogance & hubris. Let's all just remember who has brought us to this pass next time we visit the polls.
08/12/2020 12:10:11 11 0
bbc
Already? They have been blaming others from the very start. Remember it was Remainers who delayed Brexit, even though Boris and the ERG voted down the deal. It's been businesses who have not prepared for the unknown. It's the pesky French who don't police the UK's borders. And it's soon going to be Leave voters for not always knowing this was going to result in them being poorer.
41
08/12/2020 10:41:23 728 186
bbc
Our chief negotiator David Frost in 2016:

"The benefits of future trade deal with the US, Japan and India would not compensate for the far greater loss of trade with the EU."

Boris never believed in leaving either. Just did it to advance is ambitions.

That a 52-48 vote 4 years ago would be used to ruin the livelihoods of a future generation is beyond me.
99
08/12/2020 10:46:08 297 94
bbc
The entire point is that some of you failed to get out of a nice warm bed and go to vote! in a First past the post electoral system.
It would not really matter if 90% of you failed to go out and vote, the ten percent that did go and vote get to be the top of the class, Fail to vote and you have no complaints!
224
08/12/2020 10:55:29 43 36
bbc
It doesn’t matter who believes in Leaving/Staying. Once you’ve had a referendum with an outcome that is what is delivered. It’s really not that complicated.
241
08/12/2020 10:55:52 23 9
bbc
He’s probably right (though it’s very hard to determine the impact of brexit given we still don’t know the details of the future FTA, or indeed if there’s going to be one).

However it’s a bit late in the process to be having these arguments. We need to look to the future and make the best of the current situation.
385
08/12/2020 11:04:20 18 13
bbc
What was it about EU membership that had us all rich and living in paradise?
509
08/12/2020 11:11:00 11 16
bbc
Democracy does seem to beyond a lot of people If you voted then accept the outcome and if you did not then stop moaning
549
08/12/2020 11:12:54 18 5
bbc
Given the much higher average age profile of Leavers versus Remainders, I imagine the passing of 4+ years, combined with the devastating effects of Covid on older generations, will have drastically altered those 2016 52-48 ratios.
576
08/12/2020 11:14:21 8 3
bbc
Its called democracy.
732
08/12/2020 11:23:40 8 7
bbc
The baby crying future generation can't spell either.
840
08/12/2020 11:29:50 7 5
bbc
There are a lot of things I don't agree with that get passed by a majority vote in a democracy but rather than insult the majority I accept it and move on, I suggest you do the same.
901
08/12/2020 11:33:57 6 13
bbc
1. The turnout was bigger than any parliamentary election - the electorate was 46,500,001 and 72.1% turned out to vote. It is a valid result.

2. Of the 46m, 17.4m leave, 16.1m remain and 12.9m did not vote, effectively giving their vote to the winning side.

So the Leave vote was really 17.4 + 12.9 = 30.3 million.

Leave means Leave completely and nothing else.
924
08/12/2020 11:20:47 5 9
bbc
Starmer said Labour would respect the referendum result and then invented a manifesto, that said there would be another referendum. Real Labour supporters will never go back to Labour as long as Starmer is their Leader.
08/12/2020 11:51:07 1 3
bbc
Get a Life get over it the no vote lost move on
Bob
08/12/2020 11:55:59 1 3
bbc
'ruin the livelihoods of a future generation'

Christ alive. You have no idea this will be true but still make yourself suffer this depressing optimism.
42
08/12/2020 10:41:30 338 64
bbc
"Sweet reason" is a euphemism for "bluster"; and no Boris, that won't work.
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08/12/2020 10:55:06 285 44
bbc
I was thinking it was euphemism for "I really, really, need the other side to cave in at the last moment, otherwise everyone is going to see what a daft idea this was".
279
08/12/2020 10:57:35 29 1
bbc
Trouble is he talks in clichés and thinks it's terribly clever and impressive to coin supposedly snappy slogans and fancy new metaphors. Unfortunately all meaningless.
08/12/2020 12:35:21 0 18
bbc
I thought it was a euphemism for "Stop being silly and agree a trade deal that's in both our interests instead of trying to impose the political control the people of the UK voted very firmly to reject."

Johnson doesn't need to bluster. He just needs to stick to basic trade deal negotiation points like "Trade does not mean loss of sovereignty". It's not the British Government being unreasonable.
08/12/2020 13:35:20 0 0
bbc
I am sure that Boris reads your post.
08/12/2020 13:45:16 2 0
bbc
Possibly a euphemism for, "I surrender, we'll take what's on offer, please let me leave with something to wave to prove how I won."
08/12/2020 13:50:02 1 0
bbc
I'm pretty sure "bluster" and "bullying" are what you get when you spend a lot of time expensively educating an idiot.
08/12/2020 14:06:29 0 0
bbc
Oh now it doesn't he might be buffon but does understand English
36
08/12/2020 10:40:50 9 22
bbc
No other country has been asked for such absurd regulatory standards as the UK.
These regulations ergo the level playing field breaches our sovereignty so we would become a VASSAL STATE TO THE EU?
Whom might and could change its regulations to punish us badly as a free democratic sovereign state.
WALK AWAY TIME BORIS, as whom might vote for a political arty that cannot deliver its own mandate!!
43
08/12/2020 10:41:41 4 4
bbc
Walk away EU more like....
36
08/12/2020 10:40:50 9 22
bbc
No other country has been asked for such absurd regulatory standards as the UK.
These regulations ergo the level playing field breaches our sovereignty so we would become a VASSAL STATE TO THE EU?
Whom might and could change its regulations to punish us badly as a free democratic sovereign state.
WALK AWAY TIME BORIS, as whom might vote for a political arty that cannot deliver its own mandate!!
44
08/12/2020 10:41:45 0 4
bbc
Simplistic nonsense.
3
08/12/2020 10:35:53 79 20
bbc
Every international treaty and trade deal involves the surrender of some sovereignty. By definition, they are agreements in which countries or blocs pledge to do X, or not to do Y. Usually there are thousands of Xs and Ys. The only entity that is 100% sovereign is a screaming spoilt brat, alone in a playground, refusing to move an inch until their mommy buys them an ice cream. Adults compromise.
45
08/12/2020 10:41:48 5 15
bbc
So did Canada have to surrender their fishing rights, or agree that the ECJ is final arbiter in case of dispute, or state that the state-aid policies of the EUSSR both now and whatever they decide in the future apply to Canada ?

No.

so it is B/S from the EUSRR (like your post)
524
08/12/2020 11:11:47 13 3
bbc
Eh,,,, Canada were never in the EU,so their Waters were never a part of an agreement in the first place.Also, European Fishermen ,as a rule, don't normally fish in Canadian waters, its a bit of a hike over there.Uk Fishing 0.1% of UK GDP, Do you really want to jeopardise the UK's economy over some Fish?????
553
08/12/2020 11:13:04 6 0
bbc
CETA did involve surrendering some "sovereignty". In recognition of professional qualifications eg Accountants Engineers & Architects, or geographical indications preventing production of many products with EU protected status. e.g. Scotch, Melton Mowbray Pork Pies.
There are other examples, but of course they're on the other side of the Atlantic so areas of cooperation would always be different.
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Jon
08/12/2020 11:18:55 4 4
bbc
I agree with Phil. Let's walk away with our sovrinity intact and a Bangladesh style deal. We'll do just fine. Prosperity is overrated.
893
08/12/2020 11:33:01 6 1
bbc
We don't fish in Canadian waters do we?

We have ALL shared "European" fishing waters for many centuries before the EU even existed, so stop talking nonsense.

The UK unilaterally BROKE in 1963, the 1888 treaty we signed with other countries which had a 3 mile coastal limit for ALL countries in it.

The UK cannot be trusted to uphold treaties as has become abundantly clear to everyone recently!
08/12/2020 14:27:12 1 0
bbc
Why would the EU want to fish in waters 4000 miles away?
46
08/12/2020 10:41:57 57 9
bbc
So that's it is it? over 4 years since the referendum and "sweet reason" is going to get the UK a trade deal with the EU.
How about "economic realities" and "practical solutions", no,none of that,Johnson's going to use "sweet reason".
He's a bit of a joke PM isn't he,but not a funny one.
414
08/12/2020 11:06:05 13 1
bbc
His next romanfic partner will be business.
F. business.
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Jon
08/12/2020 11:06:11 0 0
bbc
Let the funny man have a go at sorting this out. it's only the country's economic future.
08/12/2020 14:25:45 1 0
bbc
Well he is known as "Bojo the Clown"
32
08/12/2020 10:40:33 2 11
bbc
Where is the EU vaccine ?
47
08/12/2020 10:42:06 7 2
bbc
Oh the one we've purchased you mean...
432
08/12/2020 11:06:59 0 1
bbc
Being properly assessed by independent expert scientists not controlled by politicians I would imagine.
48
08/12/2020 10:42:12 8 4
bbc
Cliches and soundbites aren't really a good replacement for an actual plan or economic policy.

Still, I'm sure there will be a world-beating oven ready deal and that the sunlit uplands are just round the corner now that we have got Brexit done bearing in mind that Brexit means Brexit as we hold all the cards and this will be the easiest deal ever.

Boris has got a cute puppy. Isn't he nice.
49
08/12/2020 10:42:17 5 4
bbc
It is more important to look like he wants to get a deal than getting a deal Mainly because any compromise to get a deal will erode his core voting base while a no deal will mostly annoy those that wouldn't vote conservative anyway
359
08/12/2020 11:02:31 1 1
bbc
A deal will be agreed - although there may be a three-month 'transitioning period' announced before it is finalised. Cannot call it an extension for domestic political reasons......... and the deal will, of course, be far worse than being a member of the EU
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08/12/2020 10:40:48 41 19
bbc
Why not cut n paste all the comments from the previous Brexit HYS.

It will be exactly the same.
50
08/12/2020 10:42:21 34 11
bbc
You don't have to be here....
629
08/12/2020 10:58:17 0 0
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We do have to be here actually. After five years of 'Donald Trump is such an idiot' which had no effect whatsoever on 70m voters, perhaps Tess is looking for something about Borxit that will work? (Borxit. You heard it first from me.)
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08/12/2020 11:29:56 0 0
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It amuses me for a start.
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08/12/2020 10:42:22 8 5
bbc
I have the feeling that a deal was done yesterday and this is a PR stunt by Boris so he is seen swooping in and saving the day… He has been useless at negotiating until now so why would his appearance change anything.
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08/12/2020 10:47:16 2 1
bbc
I doubt the EU would keep quiet to help Johnson's falling ratings.
27
08/12/2020 10:39:53 217 69
bbc
who the hell under 50,
voted for this "old timer, xenophobic, economic basket case, clap trap"
52
08/12/2020 10:42:22 138 35
bbc
Age has nothing to do with it, who voted for him anyway?
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08/12/2020 10:51:45 2 2
bbc
thats right, as even young people can be "fuddy duddies" LOL
08/12/2020 13:40:07 0 1
bbc
Enough to increase the Conservative majority at the last General Election.
08/12/2020 13:42:22 0 1
bbc
Over 40% of the electorate. Otherwise we would have got terrorist-hugger Corbyn.
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08/12/2020 10:42:27 150 34
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"Sweet reason."

Boris, lying is your thing, not reason!
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NGB
08/12/2020 10:46:56 134 31
bbc
You can tell he's lying, his lips are moving
08/12/2020 13:43:43 0 1
bbc
Yawn.
54
08/12/2020 10:42:32 7 6
bbc
Breaking News

Boris spotted in Brussels with a FOR SALE sign
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08/12/2020 10:43:45 4 3
bbc
Free to a good home more like...no one would pay for this clown and his shabby ways
98
08/12/2020 10:45:58 2 1
bbc
He's been cloned then. He's currently doing photo opportunities to show the vaccine he helped develop.
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08/12/2020 11:03:00 0 1
bbc
Won't get an offer. UK as worthless as him.
27
08/12/2020 10:39:53 217 69
bbc
who the hell under 50,
voted for this "old timer, xenophobic, economic basket case, clap trap"
I did, so you can stop your blatant ageism. You nonces can't imagine a situation where someone has a different view to you so you just find a victim and blame it all on them. Wake up, moron. Removed
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08/12/2020 10:38:48 403 81
bbc
Fingers crossed but lets be clear on one thing.

Its not remainers that were/are being unpatriotic in not supporting Brexit. Its quite the opposite, the whole reason many voted no was because we saw this shambles as it was and wanted to protect the UK from years of squabbling and infighting.
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08/12/2020 10:42:34 109 296
bbc
lol. Its amazing how remain lost as now it appears they know why both sides voted... You'd think they would have used such super powers to better advantage wouldn't you..
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08/12/2020 11:01:08 44 3
bbc
Why can't brexiteers use their super powers to come up with one actual benefit of brexit, or a deal that actually works?
435
08/12/2020 11:07:12 40 6
bbc
lol. it's an awful feeling when you discover you've been part of such a massive blunder, isn't it?
08/12/2020 11:43:39 6 5
bbc
quitter = LIAR.
08/12/2020 11:50:09 4 1
bbc
Another well informed Millwall supporter.
08/12/2020 11:53:25 3 3
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so who are yougoing to blme for the mess you have made?
08/12/2020 12:10:57 4 0
bbc
Amazing? But not that you leavers always seem to think that all other leavers voted for the EXACT same reason you did? That's not amazing to you?

No deal, no access to our fish, an easy deal, sovereignty, no immigrants, immigrants but not from EU, control over borders, no hard border, level playing field, more Government aid to UK business, less bureaucracy, more tariffs on WTO.

Hypocrite.
08/12/2020 12:17:17 3 0
bbc
We know it was a racist vote, based on misinformation by the murdoch lying machine. Can't fight stupid though.
08/12/2020 12:20:57 5 0
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lol. Its amazing how remain lost as now it appears they know why both sides voted..
==

Without being too crass, if you voted Leave and still believe you were right in doing so, you're either an overt racist or have been duped by successive Tory govts. Either way, what is happening on 1/1/21 is on you - its about time you own it.
Enjoy losing your job you smug asshole Removed
08/12/2020 12:41:39 4 1
bbc
Ok , you won. Going well is it ?
08/12/2020 13:27:12 2 0
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We can only hope that when you realise the extent of your naivety that you’ll apologise to all of those who have and will suffer because of it
08/12/2020 13:43:37 2 0
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The election was won with a minority of the total vote. First past the post gets loonies into power all over the place: most votes were for staying in the EU. With the folks operating Boddjob (obviously not his mouth because that's not connected to anything), we will be lucky to get another election.
08/12/2020 14:03:14 0 0
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It what many remainers were saying in 2016
08/12/2020 14:42:55 0 0
bbc
"Its amazing how remain lost as now it appears they know why both sides voted"

He didn't say he knew why both sides voted. He said "the whole reason many voted no was... to protect the UK". Many, not all, and only "no"/Remain voters. He said nothing about Leave voters.

Could it be that your lack of reading comprehension has led you to an inaccurate conclusion?
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08/12/2020 10:42:47 4 2
bbc
So whichever side of the fence you're on it must be clear to everyone that just restating your position is not going to get you anywhere. Boris restating his red lines is as useful as the EU restating theirs. If that's all there is then you might as well declare "no deal" and give business a few days to prepare. I cannot help but feel this has all been very poorly handled....
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08/12/2020 10:42:51 4 19
bbc
Boris, beware the Ides of March
or Greeks bearing Gifts or should it be
German Chancellors with White pieces of paper.

DONT sign anything
come home with a clean sheet
where the UK has 100% full control
over its destiny, good or bad,
as long as we the UK decide.

For all the remoaners,
you will just have to work harder
instead of feeding off
the Euro Trough
for the past 40 years.
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08/12/2020 10:54:57 0 1
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Why is it that those who post these comments have to call those who voted to remain "remoaners"? Is it, perhaps, to insult rather than to engage in reasoned argument? I have no idea who you are, but resorting to insults denotes something of a lack of intelligence.
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08/12/2020 10:55:33 0 1
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I'd like to trade with you, but I insist on 100% full control of all terms; including ruling on any disputes or disagreements. Still want to do business? No. Thought not.

Trading between equals requires shared rules, and voluntary pooling of sovereignty (for those rules). We had that within the EU. A "free" UK will not get as much of a say over those rules with larger partners - such as the USA.
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08/12/2020 10:40:50 9 22
bbc
No other country has been asked for such absurd regulatory standards as the UK.
These regulations ergo the level playing field breaches our sovereignty so we would become a VASSAL STATE TO THE EU?
Whom might and could change its regulations to punish us badly as a free democratic sovereign state.
WALK AWAY TIME BORIS, as whom might vote for a political arty that cannot deliver its own mandate!!
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08/12/2020 10:43:05 2 1
bbc
The fact he doesn't walk away in more than 3.5 years probably tells you that it's not that easy. What would you expect: the platonic plate that carries Europe to go away. That's the problem: get no-deal and it's not over.
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08/12/2020 10:43:06 6 1
bbc
Just a thought, Brexit has been such fun can we join another big trade organisation so we can have a vote to leave and 5 years of pointless devisive arguing
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08/12/2020 10:43:15 5 2
bbc
Sweet reason? More like sweet sorrow. The EU know we'll come back to them.
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08/12/2020 10:38:03 2 6
bbc
Has anything changed from yesterday?
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08/12/2020 10:43:21 2 1
bbc
Only my pants.
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08/12/2020 10:43:26 49 6
bbc
Why send a proven liar to negotiate. The EU know he cannot be trusted , as do we.
Fingers crossed he tricks or bribes Ms Von der Leyen somehow. Wish there will be a record of their encounter. for posterity and comedy's sake. Removed
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08/12/2020 10:34:24 782 209
bbc
Boris Johnson talking about "sweet reason"?

Let's remind ourselves that Boris is/was pro-EU and following the Lord Adonis incident it was revealed that his pro-Brexit persona was all about him not wanting to side with Cameron.

Whether or not you accept it, we know him to be a proven liar & coward, as do the EU

Sweet reason from Boris & those who still believe in him amount to sweet FA.
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08/12/2020 10:43:37 46 184
bbc
So you think all this would have been better with Corbyn in charge? Boris ended three years of chaos caused by wooly headed liberals on both sides. If we had Corbyn we would still be in that chaos.
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08/12/2020 10:48:02 157 26
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Im not a fan of Corbyn, but to be honest I am not sure how things could be worse. Boris has laid the country low
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08/12/2020 10:56:22 59 4
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Corbyn was not in charge though.

Boris was in charge along with the Conservative government.

do I think it could of been worse, I have no idea we can only blame the people in charge, there is nobody else to blame.

unless you are talking about a mutant algorithm and even that is so far fetched its on another world.

The buck stops with the PM, end off
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08/12/2020 10:57:51 61 4
bbc
I suspect "woolly headed liberals" are more realistic about getting a deal fair to both sides. Boris has brought more chaos, less than a month to go and we still don't know what the rules will be. Anyone could do better than this.
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08/12/2020 10:58:27 57 9
bbc
No, we'd have had a further referendum with sensible options, and very likely have remained either in the EU, or the EEC trade bloc which we were in before the EU rather than destroying our economy and international reputation now Bozo has again ordered his MP's to vote for a bill that BREAKS international law, as they themselves admit.

The British people no longer want Brexit, haven't since 2017
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08/12/2020 10:59:11 24 6
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Who said anything about Corbyn. His dithering is part of the reason Brexit is happening at all. If he had been clear we might not be in this mess, but he wasn't whatever his secret belief about Brexit he sat on the fence, terrified that he might offend some xenophobic reactionary Labour voters. His gamble failed. This doesn't alter the fact that the Tories are responsible for Brexit.
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08/12/2020 10:59:27 22 1
bbc
Hardly think the ERG are anywhere near liberal.
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Gio
08/12/2020 11:01:11 9 1
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I hadn't even noticed that the chaos had ended.
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08/12/2020 11:14:06 10 2
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What's it got to do with Corbyn? If Johnson is a liar, he's a liar. Bringing up the ghost of Corbyn just deflects from the fact that we've got a corrupt no-hoper in charge.
Johnson has not "ended 3 years of chaos", he's just negligently ploughed all of us into the mud in a chain of incompetence.
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08/12/2020 11:14:37 9 2
bbc
If that's the best defence of Brexit you can muster your on thin ice.
Corbyn is very low hanging fruit.....and Brexit is a tragic mess that will drag us down for many years
27
08/12/2020 10:39:53 217 69
bbc
who the hell under 50,
voted for this "old timer, xenophobic, economic basket case, clap trap"
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08/12/2020 10:43:37 3 19
bbc
Shouldn't talk about the EU Commission like that !!
66
08/12/2020 10:43:42 14 1
bbc
Farage now claims he voted Remain....
54
08/12/2020 10:42:32 7 6
bbc
Breaking News

Boris spotted in Brussels with a FOR SALE sign
67
08/12/2020 10:43:45 4 3
bbc
Free to a good home more like...no one would pay for this clown and his shabby ways
380
08/12/2020 11:03:47 0 1
bbc
Have to pay to take him on. Won't be cheap.
68
08/12/2020 10:43:47 7 3
bbc
If we leave lockdown from Covid, is that Coxit?

A term familiar to most Tories..
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08/12/2020 10:43:51 68 9
bbc
Ridiculous. We joined the EU in order to participate in the single market. Now we are trying to negotiate a deal, which will - necessarily - be far short of what we had before. For some folk this was a passionate, emotional aversion to an illusory concern of EU ambitions to create a super-state. For most, it was because they were un-thinking, stupid sheep - misled by the lies of Gove and others,
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08/12/2020 10:53:14 26 40
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True we joined to get access to a single market but it evolved over decades to become a complex entity of regulation and self serving corruption on so many levels.
The 'sheep' voted to end this and try to get back to the original idea of a single market.its called democracy
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08/12/2020 10:53:53 5 5
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We voted to join the EEC not the political bureaucracy of the EU! Try learning history- politicians took us into the EU not the electorate! The same politicians (Bliar, Major etc.) that are now whinging and whining claiming they were right!
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08/12/2020 10:59:23 3 5
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Simple fact is that what the EU demands has gone beyond the benefits it brings. This is just evolution. But like most spent official bodies they will continue on for eons like zombies, protecting their pensions and salaries, wasting public money and never understanding how society is moving on around them.
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08/12/2020 11:29:00 4 0
bbc
We were in a single market before the EU, called the EEC, where we could do external trade deals etc, but Bozo won't allow us in that as his Brexit MP's and Dom and Farage won't give him the green light.
08/12/2020 12:08:27 1 1
bbc
Just leaving aside the that "illusory concern" is an oxymoron. Several EU politicians over the years have alluded to a desire for federalism, one way or the other, their statements are on the record and cannot be denied. Yanis Varoufakis, for example, openly supports a Euro federation of state. your correct in understanding that most people are unthinking sheep but this applies to both sides.
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08/12/2020 10:44:03 10 11
bbc
We would have been over the line a long time ago if Parliament hadn't tried to overturn the referendum result for the first 3 years.
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NGB
08/12/2020 10:49:21 4 1
bbc
Or if the ERG had supported Theresa May rather than stabbing her in the back
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08/12/2020 10:57:30 0 1
bbc
Thought it was remainers?
Or the EU?
Or Labour?

Or the ERG?
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08/12/2020 10:44:07 29 5
bbc
Yay - sweet reason will get us there, a stitch in time and all that. Maybe try a latin quote next and something from the classics.

Have we ever had a leader of less substance, assume he'll be back later with a piece of paper.
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08/12/2020 10:44:14 6 2
bbc
'The power of sweet reason'? Add that one to Johnson's list of nothing statements. Johnson reneged on the most recent agreement and expects the EU to be gullible again.
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08/12/2020 10:44:19 6 3
bbc
The power of sweet reason...
Belgian choccies?
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08/12/2020 10:37:12 102 24
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Boris just like the last time will give in to the EU and then a few months down the line will break his word.....When he actually reads what he signed up to.
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08/12/2020 10:44:24 29 51
bbc
Can I borrow your crystal ball for the lottery next week?
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08/12/2020 11:20:20 8 3
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Freddie, i don't believe he needs a crystal ball to make that prediction.
If he were a race horse , his next race odds would be so low you wouldn't place a bet.
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08/12/2020 11:25:27 6 3
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Why, did the nasty foreigners take yours?
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08/12/2020 11:33:58 10 2
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You don't need a crystal ball, you just need to analyse Boris' actions over his career
He was the one that signed the deal in the end, after he got his majority in the last GE. Then several months later decided he didn't like it any more, or more accurately, his wealthy backers told him it wasn't what they wanted, so he decided to create the internal Market Bill to break international law instead.
08/12/2020 11:40:27 7 2
bbc
You must realise by now that you can’t trust a word that clown-in chief Boris Johnson says.
08/12/2020 11:46:38 3 1
bbc
What a weiner.
08/12/2020 11:57:21 1 0
bbc
That would mean you have one at least.
08/12/2020 12:06:12 2 1
bbc
Oh dear. I assume that as you think no one can predict the future you will be campaigning for the closure of the city now.
Removed
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08/12/2020 10:44:31 54 11
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Unless Johnson backs down over a level playing field, there will be no trade agreement. There is no way the EU is going to allow him access to the single market, unless he agrees to play by the same rules members of the EU have to abide by.

The Brexiteers can have their precious sovereignty, but then there will be tariff and non tariff barriers, and the chaos they will bring in their wake.
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08/12/2020 10:55:52 18 5
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6 months later we'll have to fold due to the state we'll be in.
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08/12/2020 11:05:29 0 2
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But the UK is not going to have the same level of access as a single market member. The EU signs free trade agreements with many nations without such terms, what’s so different about the UK’s deal?
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08/12/2020 11:27:32 2 0
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Lol, the level playing field appears to have been invaded by a group of grumpy Brexit voting moles who want to dig holes everywhere!
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08/12/2020 11:37:38 5 0
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This sums up the key issue and is absolutely spot on. It should also have been obvious from the start to everyone that you cannot have tariff free access to the Single Market without ceding some sovereignty in return. Anyone who says that's wrong is either stupid or trying to mislead. This is the one of the EU's fundamental principles and it is not going to give any ground here ever.
08/12/2020 15:41:32 0 0
bbc
The EU has nothing to lose on that one. Accept the 'level playing field' or UK exports will have tariffs applied to them.
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08/12/2020 10:44:31 32 5
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It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
More empty slogans and childish phrases from a PM who has been exposed countless times as a liar.
As soon as the proverbial hits the fan in the New Year he'll be scuttling off.
We are the ones who are left with the consequences, and they will be significant and costly in every sense.
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08/12/2020 10:44:32 25 3
bbc
Boris seems to have upset all the people all the time.
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08/12/2020 10:34:24 782 209
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Boris Johnson talking about "sweet reason"?

Let's remind ourselves that Boris is/was pro-EU and following the Lord Adonis incident it was revealed that his pro-Brexit persona was all about him not wanting to side with Cameron.

Whether or not you accept it, we know him to be a proven liar & coward, as do the EU

Sweet reason from Boris & those who still believe in him amount to sweet FA.
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08/12/2020 10:44:36 127 19
bbc
Boris just wants to be popular. He changed sides after the referendum, and he sends in a cabinet minister to the BBC and ITV morning interviews. He has also has put people in his cabinet that are not as clever as he thinks he is.

He is becoming less popular, according to my friends who voted for him, with the caveat that he's got a hard job. That makes me giggle. What did he expect as PM???
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08/12/2020 10:45:49 19 72
bbc
Nobody expects the pandemic!
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08/12/2020 10:44:38 2 2
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Oh that's priceless. Absolute genius humour.
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08/12/2020 10:44:43 308 47
bbc
To reach a sensible compromise, we have to be realistic about 'sovereignty'

We live in a world of multi-national companies, a defence treaty alliance (NATO) and integrated European football - for example Crystal Palace has a Dutch midfielder, a Belgian striker and a Spanish goalkeeper.

Absolute isolationist sovereignty is a myth - we need to bond together with our near neighbours. No problem!
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08/12/2020 10:49:26 106 240
bbc
Agreed - but we don’t need the EU to do it !!!!
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08/12/2020 10:58:44 11 1
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So true....but not very Daily Express.
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08/12/2020 11:02:07 8 18
bbc
Yes. The world is built on bilateral/multilateral international agreements. However that doesn’t have to equate to being bound to EU level playing field rules without having any control over them.
08/12/2020 12:00:47 1 0
bbc
hopefully for you they are all current internationals who have played in 80% of recent internationals, when the FIFA rules are reintroduced on December 31st.
08/12/2020 12:35:21 0 0
bbc
You've missed the point of sovereignty. You can have people of all nations living and working in the UK, but overall decisions that are made that affect and control our laws are made in the UK by Parliament and are not subject to the jurisdiction of any other court, country or organization.
08/12/2020 12:38:36 0 1
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By 'bond together', do you mean 'follow the rules that they tell us to' ? How is that a basis for bonding ? No-one has suggested isolationism for the UK, just a change in our trading relationship with the EU. taking your examples above, I note that many digital sales in the UK currently create taxable profits in Ireland and the UK has been disproportionately funding NATO for decades.
08/12/2020 13:20:43 0 0
bbc
Whilst I agree with Surrey Suckers comment, I feel we must be allowed to do our own thing, even if subsquent events prove us wrong.
08/12/2020 13:28:00 0 0
bbc
You fail to mention that Senegal, Ivory Coast and Ghana are also represented in that team. The EU isn't really relevant to your example.
Multi-national activity will continue to go on, regardless of whether we're in the EU.
Nik
08/12/2020 13:37:53 0 0
bbc
Myth - Your assumption that footballers won't be able to play next year if an agreement is not reached, we travel the world using passports and immigration papers not EU membership
08/12/2020 14:12:01 0 1
bbc
Sovereignty means you make your laws the highest court is your supreme court, granted there are international courts but for the most part we can get on your running the country. Think of Greece where was their soveignty when the Germans took over the finances selling public sector services at rock bottom prices the tax raising they left to the Greeks but every other aspect they took over
09/12/2020 08:58:55 0 0
bbc
Right on the nail The EU is ruled by the multinationals via their lobbisten .The people have no say whatsever workers rights citzions rights ha ha big joke
09/12/2020 11:18:31 0 0
bbc
Your post's upticks and the downticks to Sheila quite rational reply demonstrates that you and your uptickers are merely Remainers, dressing up in the tawdry clothing of a sovereignty 'analyst' ... the majority had enough of that form of argument, ahead of the Referendum ... we have left the EU, now. And goodness, another prattle about football ... God save us from footballer/footballing analysis!
09/12/2020 12:40:33 0 0
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Agree, nationalism and borders are our biggest problem. As long as you are hard working, pay taxes and law abiding then you are welcome. For those racists, tax dodgers or just bone idle. We should send one of them in the opposite direction. Let them see what life is like in Romania.
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08/12/2020 10:44:55 75 5
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Cardoons

"No other country has been asked for such absurd regulatory standards as the UK."

You're talking absolute nonsense. All 27 countries in the single market and all 40 countries with free access to the single market follow these same regulatory standards. If the UK doesn't want to follow those same rules, we will not get access to the single market.

It's so basic.
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08/12/2020 11:31:02 19 3
bbc
Savethebrits, - Perfectly Sums the entire issue.Its not difficult to understand, just difficult to accept.
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08/12/2020 11:36:18 4 0
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It's all Tory spaff, we WILL have to follow the EU standards for our goods or they simply won't be allowed into the EU27. FACT not fiction!

Toyota already said yesterday their factories will be uneconomic with a "no deal", hence back to Japan or EU, no doubt Nissan already thinking the same as they have a free trade deal for 0% car tariffs by 2026!

It's gonna be very empty when all the jobs go!
08/12/2020 12:28:31 5 0
bbc
Plus many of these rules were suggested by the UK government or by UK MEPs.
08/12/2020 13:20:26 0 0
bbc
Are you suggesting that the ‘level playing field’ terms are no different to what’s already in eg the Canada/EU FTA?
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gm
08/12/2020 10:44:56 2 3
bbc
Yawn
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08/12/2020 10:40:50 9 22
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No other country has been asked for such absurd regulatory standards as the UK.
These regulations ergo the level playing field breaches our sovereignty so we would become a VASSAL STATE TO THE EU?
Whom might and could change its regulations to punish us badly as a free democratic sovereign state.
WALK AWAY TIME BORIS, as whom might vote for a political arty that cannot deliver its own mandate!!
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08/12/2020 10:45:03 1 2
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No .. what the EU is saying is 'If you make it so your businesses don't have to pay maternity pay or sick leave, and so they can do whatever environmental damage they want, yet can trade tariff free in the EU - OR COURSE YOU CAN PRODUCE WIDGETS CHEAPER and make EU factories go bust.

We don't mind you competing if it's fair. But you scrapping workers rights when we won't is not fair.
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08/12/2020 10:37:31 5 8
bbc
Can we lockdown brexit HYS’s?
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08/12/2020 10:45:04 2 2
bbc
What other HYSs would you like shut down (without seeing the irony of commenting to them)?
27
08/12/2020 10:39:53 217 69
bbc
who the hell under 50,
voted for this "old timer, xenophobic, economic basket case, clap trap"
85
08/12/2020 10:45:07 20 10
bbc
Hardly anyone: like Brexit, it's the achievement of the rich and retired.
And its the productive generation that pays the price.
86
08/12/2020 10:45:09 2 3
bbc
no way will johnson get any trade deal because he cant concede he must hope by sweet reason the eu caves in to the governments demands,johnson has nothing to bargain with but he could threaten to say the eu can remove airbus if they wish as he doesnt support business or manufacturing,he will never defeat the europeans as they know the uk needs them to avoid tariffs and keep the markets sweet/
209
08/12/2020 10:54:23 0 1
bbc
Don't you get out of breath?
Try some punctuation.
27
08/12/2020 10:39:53 217 69
bbc
who the hell under 50,
voted for this "old timer, xenophobic, economic basket case, clap trap"
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08/12/2020 10:45:15 7 17
bbc
I think you’ve forgotten what the alternative was.
88
08/12/2020 10:45:16 7 5
bbc
Boris babes. Your argument is not with Brussels, it’s with your own party. You must choose between national poverty or traitorous betrayal. Your choice.
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08/12/2020 10:35:13 21 18
bbc
This HYS will be no different to the previous Brexit HYS which has just closed.

Same insults thrown at each other with very little discussion.

Do the BBC love to cause a divide?
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08/12/2020 10:45:20 0 2
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Apologies - my recent post has just added to the insult-throwing...... and, I realise, matters not one jot.
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08/12/2020 10:45:20 4 4
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"PM says 'sweet reason' can get UK and EU to trade deal"

Then perhaps the fool should see if he can get some.

Trouble is he has lied to everyone so many times no one can tell if/when he is telling the truth, and no one in their right mind would trust him or a single word he says.
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08/12/2020 10:45:36 20 2
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Did he really mean 'sweet treason'?
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08/12/2020 10:37:31 5 8
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Can we lockdown brexit HYS’s?
Before anyone on HYS has ever answered the question: "What are the advantages to British consumers and exporters of ending existing Free Trade Agreements in favour of trading with WTO tariffs and additional red tape?"
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08/12/2020 10:45:39 78 4
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Sweet reason:

"In some ways, I am a bit of a fan of the European Union. If we did not have one, we would invent something like it— some means of association between the sovereign states of Europe, perhaps an organisation in Brussels—overnight...My key point is that there are tangible benefits to our membership of the European Union" Johnson 2012
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08/12/2020 10:56:36 4 41
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That was 8yrs ago, even a week in politics is yesterday news
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08/12/2020 10:37:15 7 14
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The EU are the EU. They simply cannot accept that we've left. They can't understand why most people in the UK wanted to leave, and are happy we've left.

They still want to control us, our laws, our govt spending and our fishing grounds.
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08/12/2020 10:49:09 2 2
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Youlll still be controlled by your clown overlord...they did a great number on you before
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08/12/2020 10:54:41 1 1
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Was u167 a German sub?
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08/12/2020 10:55:03 0 2
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They have accepted we've left, the problem is us - we expect to be treated as we were before we left. We don't ahve any leverage and hence we will end up on no deal, our leverage will be lower in the future as they'll have sucked up the pain.

Our position is weaker each day, we were strongest before withdrawal, post withdrawal we are weaker still.
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08/12/2020 10:56:45 0 2
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Most people did not want to leave. A slim majority of the vote cast was for "leave", but on undefined exit terms and based on false promises. Virtually every opinion poll since has shown a trend away from Brexit. To claim that the majority still supports Brexit is a gross distortion.
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08/12/2020 10:37:35 7 12
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Tim to just walk away ! They need us more than we need them ! Time to get are soverinty back ! Boris is a national hero FACT and the failed so called eu supper state cant handle it ! We won get over it !
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08/12/2020 10:47:27 5 2
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Nuts
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08/12/2020 10:49:04 4 2
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If your spelling is indicative of your thinking, it explains a lot.
Useful idiot!
This is based on your spelling and grammar, of course.
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08/12/2020 10:52:15 2 2
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The brexiteer mantra. Again.
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08/12/2020 10:52:35 3 2
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Says Timmy, age 11.
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08/12/2020 10:58:12 0 2
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Beggars belief. Or, should I say, "begars believe" as I presume you are not a native English speaker......
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08/12/2020 10:44:36 127 19
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Boris just wants to be popular. He changed sides after the referendum, and he sends in a cabinet minister to the BBC and ITV morning interviews. He has also has put people in his cabinet that are not as clever as he thinks he is.

He is becoming less popular, according to my friends who voted for him, with the caveat that he's got a hard job. That makes me giggle. What did he expect as PM???
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08/12/2020 10:45:49 19 72
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Nobody expects the pandemic!
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08/12/2020 10:56:06 12 3
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Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
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08/12/2020 11:02:27 24 1
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He chose to be PM, warts and all. He has to accept all that goes with the job as PM.
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08/12/2020 11:07:56 18 4
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They should have expected the pandemic, it was moving from China, to Iran, to Italy - and they did nothing about it.

Also, it's the government's job to plan for all possible situations, including pandemics, terrorism, zombie apocalypse.
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08/12/2020 10:42:32 7 6
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Breaking News

Boris spotted in Brussels with a FOR SALE sign
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08/12/2020 10:45:58 2 1
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He's been cloned then. He's currently doing photo opportunities to show the vaccine he helped develop.
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08/12/2020 10:41:23 728 186
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Our chief negotiator David Frost in 2016:

"The benefits of future trade deal with the US, Japan and India would not compensate for the far greater loss of trade with the EU."

Boris never believed in leaving either. Just did it to advance is ambitions.

That a 52-48 vote 4 years ago would be used to ruin the livelihoods of a future generation is beyond me.
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08/12/2020 10:46:08 297 94
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The entire point is that some of you failed to get out of a nice warm bed and go to vote! in a First past the post electoral system.
It would not really matter if 90% of you failed to go out and vote, the ten percent that did go and vote get to be the top of the class, Fail to vote and you have no complaints!
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08/12/2020 10:50:38 50 6
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Agree that people need to vote. Not sure if turnout was the problem.
Definitely though: First past the post IS a problem. Representative system far superior.
Yes, then Farage would have had a seat in parliament. But look at what happens in Germany / Austria / Switzerland: 4 years later, the populists prove themselves useless and get voted out. Everyone can move on.
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08/12/2020 10:56:26 44 24
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Future generations didn’t get a say but will be paying a higher price.
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08/12/2020 11:09:31 17 9
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wasn't allowed to. Just back from abroad, and getting on to the register was delayed. Despite Cameron's promise all Brits in the EU would get to vote.
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08/12/2020 11:19:25 5 7
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They prefer to troll these hys thinking their comments are important, factual and make a difference. Population of 69 million, say half vote that is 34.5 million. Comments on a well stocked HYS say 3000. Still it amuses those of us now happily retired having worked hard to earn that retirement.
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08/12/2020 11:20:46 9 3
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First past the post is an unfair system...proportional representation would be fairer...then we could stay in bed and still win....
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08/12/2020 11:22:10 1 4
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I think you dont understand. Many people on here couldn't vote. They aren't British and don't live in the UK.
08/12/2020 11:40:32 7 1
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I have never voted. Labour has a 20000 majority in my constituency and always has, so like a lot of other people I am effectively disenfranchised

Only the marginal seats matter under fptp
08/12/2020 11:41:51 3 1
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quitter = LIAR.
08/12/2020 11:46:16 1 0
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Complaining is our national pastime .
08/12/2020 11:50:50 3 0
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Sadly as a voter for remain on balanced & a remainer still for the same reasons, I actually agree with you. The younger Generation of voters in particular totally failed to see the train coming.

My Generation voted largely on emotion rather than fact, even though it was evident with any cursory research the Vote Leave campaign was based on Fabrication.

Therefore, both ends were gullible.
08/12/2020 12:11:24 0 0
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Er... 42% of those who did vote voted for Buffoon Johnson
08/12/2020 12:11:34 1 0
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Dissagree! The remain campaign was inept they never stepped up to the plate to effectively argue the Leave campaigne points - as a Remainer I looked on in total dismay. Now we've got a refusal to accept not all EU rules are bad plus our ports aren't ready for 1/1/2021.
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08/12/2020 10:46:08 5 2
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Essentially Boris has led the whole country down the garden path and opened the netty door.
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08/12/2020 10:53:41 1 1
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Too much coffee this morning!