Oxford Covid vaccine 'safe and effective' study shows
08/12/2020 | news | health | 2,210
The peer-reviewed work in the Lancet medical journal confirms the vaccine is 'safe and protects'.
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Thank you to science, technology and all the brilliant minds that are creating these vaccines.
Do you people get paid to leap on here and post all this prosaic, sycophantic rubbish.
I mean.... our great leaders are taking each and everyone of us to the cleaners, with exceptional alacrity after all.
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ian
08/12/2020 16:26:14 67 21
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Hear hear
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08/12/2020 16:50:16 23 88
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But not bj or ukgov.
Taiwan just 7 deaths, just 2% gdp drop.
UKgov 60,000 dead, 12% gdp drop.
See also s Korea, Japan, ozz and nz.
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08/12/2020 17:26:23 28 5
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I cannot believe that 14 lovely persons voted this post down.
Let's all give them a round of applause
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08/12/2020 17:34:02 42 2
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Yes they were just doing their job, like scientists all over the world, their job is to try to make the world a better place, scuttle back under your bridge ziggee or better still refuse the vaccine and any other scientific advancements
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08/12/2020 17:44:32 12 3
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Well I for one will be expecting a much improved 5G reception when I take the vaccine.
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08/12/2020 18:08:28 0 6
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Someone swallowed the kool aid
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08/12/2020 18:15:53 3 0
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yes computers are great
08/12/2020 18:56:15 2 0
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There’s always one! ?? if you don’t want your vacation I’ll have it thank you
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08/12/2020 16:18:09 4 23
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How will we know if we are in the group that it doesn’t work on?
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08/12/2020 16:19:41 20 3
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You might get ill?
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08/12/2020 16:21:50 1 2
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Can’t see why anyone would down tick this question
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08/12/2020 16:23:41 9 2
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You wouldn't but the fact that it'll be rolled out to the masses and as far as they can tell reduces transmission means that if you're not In protected fully you'll be more and more unlikely to come across someone with the virus therefore protected in some form.
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08/12/2020 16:25:48 3 1
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There is no such group. The phase 2 study showed equal efficacy across all age groups.
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08/12/2020 16:17:37 296 20
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This is so encouraging. Well done to all those involved
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08/12/2020 16:37:45 202 157
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Just another opportunity for the flat earth, anti vaxer, remainers to vent their bile at the people who developed this!
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08/12/2020 16:18:42 588 119
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The much publicised "Oxford Vaccine" has prompted an angry response from bureaucrats in Paris. According to them, the name "Vaccines" can only be applied to medications produced in the Vaccine Region of France, and Oxford must rename their product "sparkling medication".
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08/12/2020 16:25:29 253 57
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Anyone who down ticked this, can’t have a sense of humour. Well done orig...
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08/12/2020 16:26:34 19 49
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Indeed. Glad we left EU then for the sake of a name. No matter millions are now not able to get easy jobs in the EU. Queues at Borders....etc etc
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08/12/2020 16:31:13 38 19
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Nice Brexit joke but not true. Vaccine comes from Latin vaccinus - "from cows"
, and relates to use of cowpox to prevent smallpox.
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08/12/2020 16:41:54 20 9
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Genius
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08/12/2020 16:57:18 10 4
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Very good. I saw that on a Facebook meme as well.
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08/12/2020 17:01:40 12 6
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Nice one!
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08/12/2020 17:07:10 19 30
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Brilliant you obviously feel the same way about the French as I do
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08/12/2020 18:07:42 11 1
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They would say that.
Mind you, it will upset the early Romans even more when they find out.
08/12/2020 19:29:34 4 3
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That is funny and about right for the EU!
08/12/2020 20:36:33 1 1
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This is not that original, Angela Barnes told something similar in Jun 2019
08/12/2020 21:23:50 1 1
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Ha ha ....... tres amusant.... veuillez accepter mes felicitations ( hope I got the spelling of veuillez ok, from vouloir of course....)
08/12/2020 21:27:08 2 1
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Have the Paris bureaucrats also informed Germany, Russia and the USA that they also MUST rename their products. If Oxford have to rename their product there is no MUST about the new name, so they could decide to be humorous and call it Eau de Vie, for example.
08/12/2020 22:11:33 1 0
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Nice, made me smile, thank you
TC
08/12/2020 23:22:12 1 0
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Where Pasteur lived?
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08/12/2020 23:42:28 0 0
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Oh la vache!!!
09/12/2020 06:08:00 0 0
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This comment has made me smile, I am isolating because I have been exposed to the virus, haven't got it though. We could do with more silliness at the moment
Cynics, anti-vaxxers, smug, woke know-it-all wannabe Ian Hislops - for once, please, give the snide negative comments a rest. It's been a terrible year: let's take heart from this good news. Removed
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08/12/2020 16:20:51 141 4
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To be fair to Ian Hislop, he was one of those saying let's celebrate and not moan about fridges, logistics etc.
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08/12/2020 16:37:13 23 20
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You were doing well until you chucked 'woke' in there.
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08/12/2020 16:40:00 15 4
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Well said
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08/12/2020 16:40:58 14 7
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vaccines are great
get one as soon as you can

hopefully, one day, there will even be one against sanctimoniousness
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08/12/2020 16:52:29 13 4
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Agree mostly, this is very good news - we should have our lives back before too longer, after much worthwhile sacrifice.

Ian Hislop is on a satirical news programme in his defence, and not sure what 'woke ' has to do at all in this context. Just a trendy word to drop I guess.
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08/12/2020 16:52:44 15 4
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What have you got against Ian Hislop?
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08/12/2020 16:52:59 19 21
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To be fair your average woke type loves the vaccines, hates the Tory incompetent Eton boys though. As should any sane person.
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08/12/2020 17:00:30 7 1
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Absolutely. We all need a bit of good news. We all know this is only the first green shoots of recovery, but it's got to start somewhere. Heartfelt thanks to those that have been working so hard to get ALL these Vaccines off the ground. We all owe you.
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08/12/2020 17:01:42 8 2
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They can always comment from ICU if they choose not to take up the vaccine
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08/12/2020 17:01:57 7 6
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Well said - mostly. Ian Hislop is a satirist and has not, AFAIK, said anything against vaccines. Woke has nothing to do with it and it depends on how you define "woke". It can either be used as a derogatory slur on people who have more liberal views than yourself or, as I like to use it, someone who is socially aware, altruistic and prepared to help their fellow man without a profit motive.
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08/12/2020 17:14:15 1 2
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RNA type vaccinations are a man made virus that invades our own cells and manipulates them to go on to make the actual vaccine. Essentially our own bodies become the manufacturer. This type of vaccine has never been used before outside of trials let alone on millions of people so it is valid for some to have concerns. History has many drugs that were once thought safe proven otherwise over time.
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08/12/2020 17:18:37 2 2
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What does being woke or a liberal have to do about this story. As a lefty I am very happy with this news and this is the vaccine I prefer the sound of because it can be used globally (good luck getting a freezer up and running in parts of rural Africa). You have a point about anti Vax though

You should try and lose that chip on your shoulder.
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08/12/2020 16:19:10 405 29
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Excellent news, let's get it approved and get on with life.
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08/12/2020 16:39:52 374 8
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It’s also cheaper, easier to transport and more of the money will stay in the UK. Not having to be stored at -70 C means it will be more marketable in other countries as well.
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08/12/2020 18:01:19 0 1
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Yes
One small prick for man, a giant prick for mankind
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:21:03 25 2
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Your choice - unfortunately...
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08/12/2020 16:21:55 14 1
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You don't have to champ, jog on now then
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08/12/2020 16:22:02 24 3
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What a prat
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08/12/2020 16:22:57 15 1
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You will find not many actually care
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08/12/2020 16:23:28 12 2
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Goodbye it was nice (not) knowing you, "he got ill and died you know what a shame oh well never mind".
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08/12/2020 16:23:35 5 2
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Why not?
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08/12/2020 16:23:57 12 1
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Thank you for sharing. I'm sure the NHS will reserve a bed in ICU just for you!
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JC
08/12/2020 16:27:29 7 1
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and if the criteria for travelling abroad for a holiday was a vaccination and that is a strong possibility. Different ball game if other countries include this as an entry criteria. Would that change your mind or do you plan to be a staycationer for ever? Your choice I guess.
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08/12/2020 16:28:27 6 1
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Fair enough but why share your depressing views?
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08/12/2020 16:29:06 9 1
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A man who makes Donald Trump look clever!
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08/12/2020 16:29:36 6 1
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They can get it into you if you wear a tin foil hat via the 5G signals you know..........
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08/12/2020 16:31:07 6 2
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But you would accept hospital treatment if necessary? Hypocrite.
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08/12/2020 16:31:35 4 2
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Quite a selfish view. Even with 90% efficacy we need everyone who can to take the jab to make it work for all of society. The only way to get back to normal is for everyone to join in.
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08/12/2020 16:33:40 3 2
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Drop dead then bye bye :D
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08/12/2020 16:33:53 4 1
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Can we assume you’ll be paying for your own medical costs if you get ill, then? That would seem reasonable. I’m not about to force you into vaccination, but I don’t see why I should pay for your care if you refuse and fall seriously ill as a result.
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08/12/2020 16:37:31 2 1
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Yeh right.......jog on
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08/12/2020 16:41:00 0 1
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No great loss, I imagine
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08/12/2020 16:45:38 0 1
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Darwinism in action, ladies and gentlemen.
08/12/2020 19:53:46 1 0
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Why do you mention BG? Is thau because you believe all that Yankee-doodle conspiracy theory that claims he caused it all? Do you also believe in Aliens and Unicorns?? Youre an anti-vaxxer nutjob ...busted Mister.
08/12/2020 23:24:24 0 0
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Dont have it then.
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08/12/2020 16:18:09 4 23
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How will we know if we are in the group that it doesn’t work on?
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08/12/2020 16:19:41 20 3
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You might get ill?
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08/12/2020 16:26:18 0 2
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With answers like that no wonder there are so many anti vaccers about. Incidentally I am quite happy to have the vaccine
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08/12/2020 16:30:18 1 1
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Or you might not get ill!
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08/12/2020 16:20:14 195 15
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Brilliant news, another vaccine to roll out and get us a step closer to normality!
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08/12/2020 16:20:27 53 5
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Awsome
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08/12/2020 16:36:57 17 23
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Awesome *
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08/12/2020 17:44:58 0 2
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*Awesome*
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08/12/2020 16:20:45 35 28
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Well done the Tories and Boris.

Because you absolutely know they'd be getting hammered if we were last in the queue and not first.
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08/12/2020 16:34:24 14 15
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Don’t worry though the lefties are obviously taking their afternoon siesta. Once they wake up the negativity will start!
Cynics, anti-vaxxers, smug, woke know-it-all wannabe Ian Hislops - for once, please, give the snide negative comments a rest. It's been a terrible year: let's take heart from this good news. Removed
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08/12/2020 16:20:51 141 4
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To be fair to Ian Hislop, he was one of those saying let's celebrate and not moan about fridges, logistics etc.
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08/12/2020 17:03:48 1 3
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He is normally a complete moan unless its about him
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Sam
08/12/2020 17:07:24 1 5
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Why would anyone want to be fair to Hislop?
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:21:03 25 2
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Your choice - unfortunately...
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08/12/2020 16:27:50 3 8
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Unfortunately? Are you saying you are in favour of forced vaccinations?

If the Government forces vaccines on us then we really are living in a dictatorship.
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08/12/2020 16:21:35 661 79
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No more anti vaccine nonsense. Roll your sleeves up and stop whining. Time to come out of our hibernation. Happy days
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08/12/2020 16:33:25 146 20
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Let us just hope that people wait until they have had their jabs first though or else...
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08/12/2020 16:36:30 14 41
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You first
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08/12/2020 16:48:04 21 26
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While most anti measles vaccine talk is nonsense, some people don't have such short memories to forget about Pandemrix and how vaccines can make mistakes. At the time it was backed by all the same people as today. I'm happy for the vaccine roll out today but once the at risk groups are vaccinated we need to accept the low risk Covid is to the majority of the young population, especially children
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08/12/2020 16:48:11 11 63
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Make it a legal requirement. Don'y have the Vaccine then serve a 3 moth prison stint where all are deliberately infected with CV19 so they get natural immunity or die
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08/12/2020 17:10:49 4 8
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According to an academic on radio today, it's not. We will still have to wear a mask for possibly all of 2021 and he thought it could be a
culture change on going, if you have a cold. I really don't know what to believe!
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08/12/2020 17:44:49 9 2
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Well I for one will be expecting a much improved 5G reception when I take the vaccine.
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08/12/2020 18:08:48 1 3
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You first
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Dan
08/12/2020 18:24:54 6 7
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What are you talking about?
They have already said the vaccination program won't end social distancing and lockdowns.
Enjoy pumping yourself full of experimental nanoparticle vaccine that has no long term testing and has been rushed through that you don't even need and that the vaccine makers have been granted indemnity they demanded for despite it being "100% safe"
08/12/2020 22:16:47 1 2
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will wait and see what happens to you first before we take any shots.
08/12/2020 22:32:07 1 0
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So right. I will be in 3rd group to be called. What a huge difference this can make not only in this country but worldwide. Freedom beckons.
08/12/2020 22:55:55 1 0
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After you. I am old enough to remember thalidomide.
09/12/2020 00:55:24 0 0
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Whats wrong with being anti vaccine doesn't affect your life in the very slightest, your just annoyed you don't have the capacity to admit to yourself it's not right ????? so u get annoyed with those that do ??
09/12/2020 01:28:49 1 0
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Well said. As far as I'm concerned the vaccine can't come soon enough. I want to get back to enjoying the simple things in life like shaking hands, hugging and kissing the people I love. I'm fed up with social distancing and being told who I can and can't invite to my now empty home since my mother was admitted into care. All I need to do now is wait for the word and I'll roll up my sleeve.
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08/12/2020 16:18:09 4 23
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How will we know if we are in the group that it doesn’t work on?
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08/12/2020 16:21:50 1 2
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Can’t see why anyone would down tick this question
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:21:55 14 1
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You don't have to champ, jog on now then
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:22:02 24 3
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What a prat
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08/12/2020 16:22:09 109 10
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Great, get it approved and hopefully another 1 million people can receive it before Christmas
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08/12/2020 16:22:45 79 12
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A real game changer. Can be administered anywhere by a qualified person... Mass vaccine asap...
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08/12/2020 16:22:46 6 22
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Umm....Longitudinal testing?

Why is everyone around me claiming to be a biomedical expert, and slamming people who dare question whether this vaccine is perfectly safe?

COVID-19 appeared on the scene this time last year.

I attended biomedical classes at uni, and the lecturers insisted that human guinea pigs testing new drugs/vaccines need to be monitored over a few years.
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08/12/2020 16:27:08 6 2
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Of course you can question no one is denying you that but if your unsure, don’t take it, it’s as simple as that
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08/12/2020 16:27:57 3 2
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So you'll be happy if lots of people die of the disease while waiting for the extra few years testing of the vaccine, will you?

Before you answer, bear in mind that as many people are currently dying of covid in the UK in a week, as die on the UK roads in a year...
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08/12/2020 16:28:15 3 1
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thanks for your input, we are assessing whether to take on board what you have said........Assessment complete, Im sorry but we regret to inform you we don't believe you. Please feel free not to take the vaccine and once again thanks for your input.
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08/12/2020 16:32:20 2 1
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There is a unique monitoring scheme being instituted, scientific brief last week. In addition the Yellow Card scheme inputs will be used to support it. They would, after all, be unable to monitor it if no one had received the vaccine
09/12/2020 00:34:44 1 0
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Your choice is- take a vaccine that is as safe as it can be given the speed with which it had been developed (Remember that unprecedented resources and expertise have been used) OR continue with Covid deaths amongst care workers and the vulnerable as well as harm to the economy.
40 years in Biology at degree level, I will take the jab. No vaccine is perfectly safe but I'd ADVISE you to take it!
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08/12/2020 16:22:48 265 28
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Thanks for all the brilliant people who have been involved with this vaccine.

Why not show your appreciation by making a donation to NHS Charities for the cost of you vaccine, or help development charities create a fund for those who live in less developed countries without free health care so they can be vaccinated.
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08/12/2020 16:25:02 216 26
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Brilliant idea. I wonder if the govt might start a scheme where you could voluntarily pay the cost of your jab. I'd be glad to, as I'm sure would many others.
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08/12/2020 16:38:05 12 69
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what a stupid idea, most of us are already bankrupt due to ridiculous lockdowns
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08/12/2020 16:55:41 30 2
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That is a good idea. Those that can, should.
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08/12/2020 16:51:08 15 8
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Yes thanks to those who have developed and rpoven this vaccine.

the rest ofyour comment needs re thinking. The UK already coughs up loads of dosh in charity (from the Gov and directly from our pockets). i think the charities better start using the dosh more effectively and managed the monies better.
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08/12/2020 17:30:43 15 4
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What a great idea! Spend £20 less on Xmas pressies and give it tp NHS charities or some other charity.
08/12/2020 19:30:56 2 2
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Splendid Idea.
08/12/2020 19:31:06 6 1
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Unfortunately most of the so called charities are just businesses now with the executives taking huge chunks of the donations before it even starts to help the people that it is supposed to !!
08/12/2020 20:41:08 4 1
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It's a nice idea and one I would/will support, but 3 quid is only the price of the contents of an individual phial.
Add in development costs, transport, storage, distribution, vaccinators wages etc. and you are probably looking at ........ooooooh £20,000?
Just a wild guess, of course.
No doubt the Yanks will try to squeeze as much money out of their vaccine as they can.
08/12/2020 22:14:07 0 1
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Afraid I wouldn't trust the present government wide boys with a donation. There must be a safer way that gets the donations to where they are needed. Beware the Trump donation con job.
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:22:57 15 1
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You will find not many actually care
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08/12/2020 16:23:03 177 14
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More Great news and just goes to show what can be achieved with a bit of togetherness. The world needs more of this - just think of what could be achieved...
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08/12/2020 17:45:30 75 4
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Good post... True.. Remove politics, provide adequate funding, cut red tape, do things in parallel and remove egos (for the most part), and we can achieve greatness...

This result (showing science working together across borders and ideologies...) should be a lesson.
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08/12/2020 18:12:05 5 1
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Totally agree. lets hope that with the same application and resolve that has produced this great news. we can hope that a cure for cancer and flu may be on the horizon. Let's be positive.
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:23:28 12 2
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Goodbye it was nice (not) knowing you, "he got ill and died you know what a shame oh well never mind".
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:23:35 5 2
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Why not?
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08/12/2020 16:18:09 4 23
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How will we know if we are in the group that it doesn’t work on?
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08/12/2020 16:23:41 9 2
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You wouldn't but the fact that it'll be rolled out to the masses and as far as they can tell reduces transmission means that if you're not In protected fully you'll be more and more unlikely to come across someone with the virus therefore protected in some form.
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08/12/2020 16:23:46 6 3
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Are they going to make the paper publicly available again like they did with the stage 2 results?

I'd love to read the paper for myself, but I can't seem to find a link.

The link in the article above just goes to the Lancet home page, and I can't see an obvious link to this particular report.
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08/12/2020 16:25:24 6 11
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Why? Are you going to give it your approval?
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08/12/2020 18:21:19 1 0
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There is a link on the page at the top, then on the Lancet page it's got a pdf link ?? I'll be having a beer and a read myself later, it will be nice to see something positive and scientific
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:23:57 12 1
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Thank you for sharing. I'm sure the NHS will reserve a bed in ICU just for you!
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08/12/2020 16:42:33 1 2
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Hopefully many many more people will see the light and refuse to have these very dodgy vaccines.
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08/12/2020 16:24:11 33 12
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Time to start setting these brilliant scientist around the world on combined research against other diseases. Let’s go for country to country collaboration and not large companies working out how much they can extort from health services. Why does health have to make money for people. We are a society.
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08/12/2020 16:37:04 24 22
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It wasn't 'governments' who developed this, it was private companies.

If it was governments, they'd still be talking about it and we'd be back to the Stone Age before some bodged solution had been developed.

Some people can't get over their political biases and smell the coffee.
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08/12/2020 16:41:23 10 1
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I understand the sentiment behind your argument, but doctors, nurses and scientists all make money from working to improve health. And rightly so! Similarly, if large companies come up with products that improve health outcomes, they should be paid a fair price. It's up to regulators, scientists and health economists to ensure any price paid is indeed justified.
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08/12/2020 17:34:02 7 0
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yes save the money for performers like sportsmen and movie stars and the real heroes in investment banking. People actually working for the benefit of society should do it for love obviously. /sarcasm.

I doubt very many people are getting rich off of a vaccine sold at £3 a dose
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08/12/2020 16:24:35 7 5
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The following remark appears at the end of the comment submitted on the Oxford vaccine trial in the Lancet says " Further trials to substantiate the unexpected
findings here and investigation of efficacy in older adults are now needed. The same applies to the Pfizer vaccine, alas we have no peer reviewed publications on it as yet.
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08/12/2020 16:32:51 3 1
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Appropriate time spent on testing is seldom wasted.
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08/12/2020 16:34:25 3 5
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The peers, you know, the ones brighter than you or me have given it the thumbs up, I don’t need your seal of approval thanks
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08/12/2020 16:22:48 265 28
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Thanks for all the brilliant people who have been involved with this vaccine.

Why not show your appreciation by making a donation to NHS Charities for the cost of you vaccine, or help development charities create a fund for those who live in less developed countries without free health care so they can be vaccinated.
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08/12/2020 16:25:02 216 26
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Brilliant idea. I wonder if the govt might start a scheme where you could voluntarily pay the cost of your jab. I'd be glad to, as I'm sure would many others.
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08/12/2020 16:31:35 4 4
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The cost will depend on which vaccine you have though - if you are told
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08/12/2020 16:56:26 13 28
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Let me think, that would be the overseas aid budget that the Tories just slashed on behalf of the Brexit brigade.
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08/12/2020 17:31:06 12 11
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Great idea to make a donation to help those in less developed countries but a big NO to paying for the NHS jab it would be seen as the thin end of the wedge for the Tories to privatise even more of our NHS.
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08/12/2020 18:16:38 3 14
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Yes it's called tax and National insurance, we have already paid it and we will also continue to pay for the damage the lockdowns have done. The group's of people who will be vaccinated prove just how little a threat covid19 was...
08/12/2020 19:47:22 3 2
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And then send the bill for it all, to China.
08/12/2020 21:38:56 1 1
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I agree 100% and would love to see a concerted effort to vaccinate everyone, excluding Jihadi extremists, in Africa.
08/12/2020 21:52:12 0 1
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Why what’s wrong with present system
08/12/2020 22:06:48 0 0
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You can do this already. Send a cheque to HMRC
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Let’s all give thanks to all the religions of the world for the part they’ve played in this great news.

Oh... hold on...

As you were.
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08/12/2020 16:29:26 74 7
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Give thanks instead to all those thousands of volunteers prepared to put themselves in harms way just to save us.
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08/12/2020 17:04:04 0 0
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LOL!
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08/12/2020 17:07:16 4 2
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Why knock religious beliefs? What have they got to do with it? You could equally well say 'let's all give thanks to all the atheists of the world'.
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08/12/2020 17:31:02 1 3
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Couldn't resist an opportunity to spread your bigoted hate, could you.
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08/12/2020 16:23:46 6 3
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Are they going to make the paper publicly available again like they did with the stage 2 results?

I'd love to read the paper for myself, but I can't seem to find a link.

The link in the article above just goes to the Lancet home page, and I can't see an obvious link to this particular report.
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08/12/2020 16:25:24 6 11
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Why? Are you going to give it your approval?
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08/12/2020 16:28:27 11 1
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Some people are interested in reading things because they are curious and want to expand their horizons. Shocking I know.
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08/12/2020 16:18:42 588 119
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The much publicised "Oxford Vaccine" has prompted an angry response from bureaucrats in Paris. According to them, the name "Vaccines" can only be applied to medications produced in the Vaccine Region of France, and Oxford must rename their product "sparkling medication".
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08/12/2020 16:25:29 253 57
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Anyone who down ticked this, can’t have a sense of humour. Well done orig...
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08/12/2020 17:25:51 22 36
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I downticked because although amusing, it appears to tickle the fancy of Francophobes....
How about " The much publicised "Oxford Vaccine" has prompted an angry response from bureaucrats in Melton Mobray. According to them, the name "Vaccines" can only be applied to medications produced in the Vaccine Region of Leicestershire, and Oxford must rename their product "hand -raised medication".
08/12/2020 19:15:45 7 1
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...or they are French.
08/12/2020 21:24:39 0 1
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Dead on there "Yr"
08/12/2020 22:16:37 1 0
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Thanks for spotting the silly down dismalists, I'd missed it; 103 have jumped on the anti-witty repost bandwagon of po-faced brothers and sisters; here's hoping for their sake it doesn't turn into a tumbrel
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08/12/2020 16:25:39 97 8
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This is good news. 70% equal to the flu jab. 90% over and above. I hope it gets official approval before Christmas. In time for a rapid rollout in the new year. I understand the vaccine is already in production.
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08/12/2020 16:58:46 33 5
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I think the flu jab is at 50% but I may be wrong
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08/12/2020 16:25:46 43 6
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Hey BBC the link to The Lancet article doesnt work. - Might be you have overloaded them with traffic but one to get sorted as linking to primary sources such as this is important.

I do however notice that this seems to have been been a noticeable improvement of late and BBC news articles are providing more links to source material - it does help the quality of the debate down here in the HYS
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08/12/2020 16:27:47 6 5
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Worked for me, maybe need a subscription?
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08/12/2020 16:32:14 4 1
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Debate? On HYS? Please, stop making me laugh
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08/12/2020 16:18:09 4 23
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How will we know if we are in the group that it doesn’t work on?
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08/12/2020 16:25:48 3 1
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There is no such group. The phase 2 study showed equal efficacy across all age groups.
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08/12/2020 16:25:07 6 8
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Luv me vaccine
Luv me mask
Luv r NHS
Luv me Amazon prime
*bangs pots and pans*
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08/12/2020 16:17:22 859 46
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Thank you to science, technology and all the brilliant minds that are creating these vaccines.
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Do you people get paid to leap on here and post all this prosaic, sycophantic rubbish.
I mean.... our great leaders are taking each and everyone of us to the cleaners, with exceptional alacrity after all.
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Well said ziggee
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Yes, they’re called the 77th Brigade.
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08/12/2020 16:41:55 131 8
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No, but its called appreciation, the contrast is those that suggest positive thinking individuals must be paid and are olnly posting prosaic sycophantic rubbish

Know which group I would rather associate with!
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That's always been the way of the world. Fight only the battles you can win.
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08/12/2020 17:02:12 79 1
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RefractionIndex is not thanking our 'great leaders', he's thanking people doing their job.
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08/12/2020 17:09:01 3 68
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Your so deluded..covid real name sars-2 and sars 1 there is no cure...
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Shove it in your system but once you experience problems mr ziggee simbec dont complain about it
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08/12/2020 17:21:41 39 4
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What a sad person you must be.
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Stu
08/12/2020 17:31:16 58 2
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"our great leaders are taking each and everyone of us to the cleaners". Certainly so, but the point is that the "Oxford vaccine" is being sold virtually AT COST -- £3 a shot.

Well done Oxford Astro Zenica !
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08/12/2020 17:36:29 12 10
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I came here looking to read the comments of the woo-woo brigade.... not disappointed
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08/12/2020 17:39:51 19 3
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Well, if you don't like it here, you could always vote with your feet........
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08/12/2020 17:45:11 14 3
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Our "great leaders" are indeed taking us to the cleaners. The scientists, on the other hand, have done a marvellous job - why begrudge them a little honest appreciation?
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08/12/2020 17:47:11 12 2
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Did you accidentality stir salt in you tea instead of sugar ?
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08/12/2020 17:49:15 21 2
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Instead of posting absolutely nothing but garbage, explain how everyone of us are being taken to the cleaners.

I'm presuming you have an explanation to back up the claims. Not saying agree or disagree with you but you are posting rubbish the same as a lot of people.

Are you brainwashed too?
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08/12/2020 17:50:38 16 2
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Go on, admit it ziggee. You're terrified of that tiny little needle aren't you? Bless!!!!!!!
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08/12/2020 17:51:57 10 1
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I see the Russian bots are out in force.
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08/12/2020 17:58:59 7 1
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Ha ha, keep taking the tablets
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08/12/2020 18:02:18 1 1
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What a perrindifferous comment
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08/12/2020 18:07:17 8 2
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You is just scared of a needle ,man up !
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kfg
08/12/2020 18:12:14 9 0
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Doom and gloom..Oh dear.Please try and be positive.Life is short!
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08/12/2020 18:15:37 7 2
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Who pays you to be a profit of ill disguised doom?
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Dan
08/12/2020 18:21:47 1 0
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Yes they do.
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08/12/2020 18:28:29 1 0
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No, Do you
08/12/2020 18:37:12 4 1
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Awww ziggee, did the value of your second home drop?
08/12/2020 18:41:59 6 2
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I doubt people get paid to post the OP, but there certainly is evidence to suggest people get paid to come on and post the kind of rubbish that came from you.
DSA
08/12/2020 18:53:55 3 0
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There is a five letter word to describe you, it starts with p and ends with k
08/12/2020 18:54:59 4 1
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There a difference between acknowledging the brilliance of the scientific effort and the absolute chaos and incompetence of the government response to the pandemic. You have to separate the two so that you don't cut your nose off to spite your face as my gran would say!
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Thank you to science, technology and all the brilliant minds that are creating these vaccines.
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08/12/2020 16:26:14 67 21
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Hear hear
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08/12/2020 18:10:08 1 13
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Who talks like that nowadays and honestly what does it mean , just ancient gibberish !
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08/12/2020 16:19:41 20 3
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You might get ill?
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08/12/2020 16:26:18 0 2
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With answers like that no wonder there are so many anti vaccers about. Incidentally I am quite happy to have the vaccine
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08/12/2020 16:26:20 26 13
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Just waiting for all the positive comments of support for the government for the current success on vaccines.

Undoubtedly there will be some operational and medical hiccups in the not too distant future for the moaners (and the media) to vent on.
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08/12/2020 16:32:47 28 19
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Let's keep this appaling government out of it can we please? It's a great achievement for science despite politicians.
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08/12/2020 16:26:27 7 14
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If a half dose was given to some by accident, what controls were in place to prevent someone getting twice or three times the dose for example?
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08/12/2020 16:34:24 4 1
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The size of the syringe, I should think
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08/12/2020 16:26:29 3 14
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We need a plan that details which vaccines will be used, how many will be vaccinated and how it will be done.

What we don't need is the usual fag packet planning over a cup of tea.
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08/12/2020 16:30:26 4 1
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Not really up to speed on things are you
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08/12/2020 16:32:27 0 1
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google UK vaccine priority order
The first 7 or & priorities are set up and waiting
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08/12/2020 16:18:42 588 119
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The much publicised "Oxford Vaccine" has prompted an angry response from bureaucrats in Paris. According to them, the name "Vaccines" can only be applied to medications produced in the Vaccine Region of France, and Oxford must rename their product "sparkling medication".
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08/12/2020 16:26:34 19 49
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Indeed. Glad we left EU then for the sake of a name. No matter millions are now not able to get easy jobs in the EU. Queues at Borders....etc etc
08/12/2020 18:56:07 6 4
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"now not able to get easy jobs in the EU"

Didn't you mean
"now not able to get easy jabs in the EU" whereas we have already started our vaccination programme in a free UK.

You are welcome
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08/12/2020 16:22:46 6 22
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Umm....Longitudinal testing?

Why is everyone around me claiming to be a biomedical expert, and slamming people who dare question whether this vaccine is perfectly safe?

COVID-19 appeared on the scene this time last year.

I attended biomedical classes at uni, and the lecturers insisted that human guinea pigs testing new drugs/vaccines need to be monitored over a few years.
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08/12/2020 16:27:08 6 2
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Of course you can question no one is denying you that but if your unsure, don’t take it, it’s as simple as that
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08/12/2020 16:34:34 1 2
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Well it's not really. We need a decent majority of people to be vaccinated to help stop the virus circulating. It's not just a personal choice.
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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JC
08/12/2020 16:27:29 7 1
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and if the criteria for travelling abroad for a holiday was a vaccination and that is a strong possibility. Different ball game if other countries include this as an entry criteria. Would that change your mind or do you plan to be a staycationer for ever? Your choice I guess.
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08/12/2020 16:45:36 0 3
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If it (this diabolic vaccination) is part of the Great Reset then we will have much more things to worry about than where we are going to go for our holidays.
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PJ
08/12/2020 16:49:19 0 1
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What's so great about holidays abroad? Did you bring that strain back from Spain???
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08/12/2020 16:27:36 4 3
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Well done to Oxford for the work, the Lancet for the peer review & hopefully the MHRA for a quick approval. Also good news for my pension which has AZ shares in it & my private holdings of Pfizer. Anybody got an idea where I can get hold of some Moderna shares to complete the triumvirate. I'm prepared to swap Sputnik-V shares for them!!! Can I go to the pub now. PLEASE!
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08/12/2020 16:27:39 5 3
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How long it will be until another country approves a vaccine until the media claims the UK is cutting corners..

But hey fear sells newspapers and is good clickbait.
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BBC runs a story on a 90 year old getting the vaccine.

Great news, they can go to work now and pay the tax needed to keep the NHS running?

Money they already paid in their working life was spent by Labour on benefits sadly.

Also run a story when they die from a common cold induced respiratory infection in a few months. Great use of vaccine....
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08/12/2020 16:30:30 12 5
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What a self serving mindless and uncaring post! No wonder this country struggles at times with people like you around!
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08/12/2020 16:30:38 5 3
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better she got the vaccine than you, you grumpy trout
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08/12/2020 16:30:52 4 2
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So you dont realise pensioners also pay tax?
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08/12/2020 16:33:10 4 1
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Keeping patients in hospital is expensive (hundreds of pounds a day for basic care - much more for intense emergency treatment), and delays other patients from getting treated. Since older patients are more likely to end up in hospital because of Covid, it is indeed a great use of the vaccine.
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08/12/2020 16:34:03 2 1
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I am so glad my reaction to this piece of news was not the same as yours!
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08/12/2020 16:35:54 0 1
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Just another pathetic tory troll
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08/12/2020 16:25:46 43 6
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Hey BBC the link to The Lancet article doesnt work. - Might be you have overloaded them with traffic but one to get sorted as linking to primary sources such as this is important.

I do however notice that this seems to have been been a noticeable improvement of late and BBC news articles are providing more links to source material - it does help the quality of the debate down here in the HYS
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08/12/2020 16:27:47 6 5
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Worked for me, maybe need a subscription?
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08/12/2020 16:21:03 25 2
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Your choice - unfortunately...
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08/12/2020 16:27:50 3 8
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Unfortunately? Are you saying you are in favour of forced vaccinations?

If the Government forces vaccines on us then we really are living in a dictatorship.
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08/12/2020 16:34:54 3 1
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Thankfully we don't live in a dictatorship it is a free country and your choice to get the vaccine or not. It is unfortunate that you don't appreciate what a game changer these vaccines are.
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08/12/2020 17:17:07 1 0
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Nowhere in any news reports does it say that people will be forced to be vaccinated. EdnaCloud was just opining that it was an unfortunate choice. The key word was CHOICE.
08/12/2020 19:55:11 1 0
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Take it or don't take it - entirely your choice!! To reflect back at you though it's people like you NOT taking up the vaccination when offered that could perpetuate the virus which in high enough numbers mean a continuation of restrictions for everyone - I know which option I'd take...
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08/12/2020 16:22:46 6 22
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Umm....Longitudinal testing?

Why is everyone around me claiming to be a biomedical expert, and slamming people who dare question whether this vaccine is perfectly safe?

COVID-19 appeared on the scene this time last year.

I attended biomedical classes at uni, and the lecturers insisted that human guinea pigs testing new drugs/vaccines need to be monitored over a few years.
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08/12/2020 16:27:57 3 2
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So you'll be happy if lots of people die of the disease while waiting for the extra few years testing of the vaccine, will you?

Before you answer, bear in mind that as many people are currently dying of covid in the UK in a week, as die on the UK roads in a year...
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08/12/2020 16:55:02 3 2
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Flip side - so you would be happy if in 12-18 months time we have another huge death surge or millions of sterile women caused by un-seen long term side effects? - I think the risk is low but as an under 50 I judge the disease to be even lower than the Pfizer vax, the oxford one is close to equal as lower risk vax technology. Forced vax is wrong, especially for low risk groups.
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08/12/2020 16:22:46 6 22
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Umm....Longitudinal testing?

Why is everyone around me claiming to be a biomedical expert, and slamming people who dare question whether this vaccine is perfectly safe?

COVID-19 appeared on the scene this time last year.

I attended biomedical classes at uni, and the lecturers insisted that human guinea pigs testing new drugs/vaccines need to be monitored over a few years.
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08/12/2020 16:28:15 3 1
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thanks for your input, we are assessing whether to take on board what you have said........Assessment complete, Im sorry but we regret to inform you we don't believe you. Please feel free not to take the vaccine and once again thanks for your input.
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08/12/2020 16:25:24 6 11
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Why? Are you going to give it your approval?
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08/12/2020 16:28:27 11 1
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Some people are interested in reading things because they are curious and want to expand their horizons. Shocking I know.
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:28:27 6 1
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Fair enough but why share your depressing views?
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08/12/2020 16:34:54 1 7
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Because the vaccine or vaccines will turn out to be more lethal than the disease itself.

I am convinced that the mRNA vaccine will eventually start to engender an autoimmune response and then it will attack good body tissue.
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08/12/2020 16:28:28 560 16
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The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine was the only vaccine that regularly checked non symptomatic patients for Covid. It was shown that the vaccine lowered the rates of asymptomatic infection, hence reducing transmission. In the Phase 3 trials other vaccines only tested if the volunteer had symptom, meaning they would miss any asymptomatic patient. This could explain the so called lower effective rates.
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08/12/2020 16:32:57 341 10
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Dead right - I've not heard this mentioned by journalists apart from in the Economist and on a medical YouTube video. This should be publicized more
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08/12/2020 16:52:31 47 2
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Absolutely and that is why we need to see the actual Pfizer and Moderna data
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08/12/2020 17:01:49 76 4
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Correct!! The media have almost completely missed this point. The AZ/Oxford vaccine is probably the most important advance in modern medical history...and also the most poorly communicated!
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08/12/2020 17:31:58 27 1
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Interesting. I am on the Novavax phase 3 trial, and aside from a relatively small number of scheduled appointments over the year, they will only hear from me if I actually get symptoms. This is in line with what you are saying about the other trials. That said, the trial is in several countries, so it is always possible that some other parts of the trial are trying to measure asymptomatic cases.
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08/12/2020 17:42:37 13 4
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Very interesting. It would be nice if the actual data and the methodologies of the different vaccine trials were made available. I get the impression that everyone desperately wants good news so the limitations of various trials are being played down.
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08/12/2020 18:16:40 23 0
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It wouldn't matter anyway. The real purpose of a vaccination program is to eliminate the virus, not provide individual protection. 70% will be effective as long as enough people get a jab. Most importantly nobody should be carrying on like Covid never existed until the epidemiologists agree it's properly over.
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08/12/2020 18:19:16 13 2
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I was quite excited when I read this. So I read an article about it and my understanding is that the quoted 70% effective rate is on symptomatic cases only.

You are right that asymptomatic cases were checked too. Here the effective rate was 27%.

The good news was that no one who had the oxford vaccine was seriously ill. There were 10 in the control. That may be the most important result of all
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08/12/2020 18:19:19 15 1
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I wonder how many of these scientists will get into the honours list or will we get the usual dross
08/12/2020 18:56:53 0 4
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Haven't you got your arithmetic the wrong way round?
08/12/2020 19:05:33 0 4
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are you a qualified medical practitioner?
08/12/2020 19:37:56 5 0
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Totally agree, i think this will be a world saver and also its price. Im hoping they all work well but to save us all we need a global effort. Thanks to all involved as well as the volunteers. Thank you
08/12/2020 19:39:02 0 0
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Which one was it that the Chennai test subject took?
08/12/2020 19:55:10 4 0
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That's a very important point. I was previously inclined to think the Oxford vaccine might turn out to not be as effective as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines based on the stats I had seen. But this point about Oxford testing for non symptomatic cases while the others did not changes that view. With this in mind the Oxford vaccine sounds very promising indeed.
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08/12/2020 23:21:16 0 0
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Plausibly so, but transmission risk from asymptomatic infected individuals has been grossly exaggerated. In absence of coughing/sneezing passaage has to be by other contact with bodily fluid. Picking up infection from fomites directly deposited by an infected person's hand poses negligible risk when others' hygiene is adequate. Hygiene is key to reducing risk of 'flu, colds, and some gut upsets.
09/12/2020 01:15:02 0 0
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Evidence?
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08/12/2020 16:28:41 295 9
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The ability to produce at scale (3 billion) and the relative ease of handling and distribution worldwide would seem to suggest if approved this would be the game changer.
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08/12/2020 17:24:10 147 9
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Agreed, it's not just 70-80% of the UK that need to be vaccinated it's the world, otherwise it will just keep coming back.
08/12/2020 19:02:56 9 0
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Which is probably why the UK Gov has backed this one to the hilt. The others are too expensive and difficult to handle.
09/12/2020 12:30:07 0 0
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This along with the other vaccines will the game changers, there seems to be a rather pathetic need to be patriotic about the UK vaccine.
I say well done to any team who have produced an effective vaccine, we'll need them all.
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08/12/2020 16:28:42 2 23
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Anyone for Russian roulette?
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08/12/2020 16:30:07 21 3
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yes, everyone that refuses a vaccine
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08/12/2020 16:32:40 5 1
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Russian roulette has a one in six chance of killing you.

If memory serves, this vaccine has been tested on more than six people, and has killed no-one.
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:29:06 9 1
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A man who makes Donald Trump look clever!
Let’s all give thanks to all the religions of the world for the part they’ve played in this great news.

Oh... hold on...

As you were.
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Give thanks instead to all those thousands of volunteers prepared to put themselves in harms way just to save us.
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08/12/2020 16:53:54 1 9
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but they didn't really put themselves in harms way. To put it in context, if alcohol or cigarettes were put through the toxicology testing these vaccines were put through they wouldn't get anywhere near a human volunteer - how much harm would you feel your were in if you had two cigarettes or alcoholic drinks over your lifetime?
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08/12/2020 17:13:24 1 0
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I'm in the Novavax trials. I did it to save my sanity not to save mankind, because mankind isn't worth it quite frankly.
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08/12/2020 16:29:34 170 17
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Excellent. Over 70s get Pfizer (and Modena) then under 70s get the AZ one in the new year. Works for me. This should allow most of the population to be vaccinated by the summer.
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08/12/2020 16:57:29 84 21
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I am 74 and will wait for the Oxford vaccine if I can .
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08/12/2020 17:36:32 4 20
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Ken, there are 70 million people in the country, it will take years to vaccinate them all not 6 months, simple maths.
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08/12/2020 18:18:43 5 4
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Why would we want to vaccinate the whole population when the trial studies did not have preventing infection or transmission as an end-point?. There seems to be a misconception that this will stop us getting infected, that was not in trial just to "reduce mild symptoms". https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/
08/12/2020 20:04:19 2 1
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Oh Ken, you should try and get vaccinated as soon as possible. Which one is a trivial matter in comparison. You may have picked up on a small component of this article without balancing against the other information here. Just imagine if large numbers of people make the same decision as you’re determined to follow. You seem very certain you understand this, but your decision doesn’t indicate that.
08/12/2020 20:39:47 1 7
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I'm over 70 and would prefer to wait for the Oxford vaccine - I just think that the tests conducted in the UK are a little more "thorough" than elsewhere and UI therefore have a bit more confidence in the treatment.
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:29:36 6 1
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They can get it into you if you wear a tin foil hat via the 5G signals you know..........
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08/12/2020 16:29:44 12 10
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Now how about listening to scientist regarding global warming and not just when it suits politicians
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08/12/2020 16:40:04 5 5
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1000 years ago the leading scientists of the day said that the Sun was 4 miles from the Earth, 200 years ago they said that humans would suffocate if they travelled at more than 40 mph and 100 years ago they said that the Titanic was unsinkable.
Scientists are now working their socks off to find a vaccine for Brexit and we will all be saved

And able to get back to normal
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too pernicious disease to be vaccinated against
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08/12/2020 16:41:23 0 1
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EASY
Cancel Article 50
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Anyone for Russian roulette?
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08/12/2020 16:30:07 21 3
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yes, everyone that refuses a vaccine
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08/12/2020 16:30:10 159 14
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Well done to all the scientist and those taking part in the trials. What an incredible achievement. I now hope everyone offered a vaccine has it (even if they aren't at high risk) to help protect those that medically can't take the vaccine.
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08/12/2020 18:01:33 65 15
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I can't believe that a few numptys have negged this comment down!
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08/12/2020 16:30:13 3 6
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Both vaccine trials Oxford and Pfizer, pre screened trial subjects, anyone with comorbidities eg COPD, diabetes, CHD etc was excluded as were those on certain medication eg Warfarin. Given that elderly frail folk in care homes with comorbidities are to be given these vaccines first, more studies are needed to ascertain their effect on this age group, as the Lancet commentary says.
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08/12/2020 16:44:59 1 1
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"The participants were from diverse racial and geographical groups who are healthy or have stable underlying medical conditions." from Oxford Phase 3 trials interim analysis results published in the Lancet.
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08/12/2020 16:19:41 20 3
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You might get ill?
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08/12/2020 16:30:18 1 1
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Or you might not get ill!
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08/12/2020 16:26:29 3 14
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We need a plan that details which vaccines will be used, how many will be vaccinated and how it will be done.

What we don't need is the usual fag packet planning over a cup of tea.
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08/12/2020 16:30:26 4 1
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Not really up to speed on things are you
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08/12/2020 16:37:40 0 1
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Agreed. Tthink they were getting confused with the track and trace farce
BBC runs a story on a 90 year old getting the vaccine.

Great news, they can go to work now and pay the tax needed to keep the NHS running?

Money they already paid in their working life was spent by Labour on benefits sadly.

Also run a story when they die from a common cold induced respiratory infection in a few months. Great use of vaccine....
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08/12/2020 16:30:30 12 5
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What a self serving mindless and uncaring post! No wonder this country struggles at times with people like you around!
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08/12/2020 16:35:11 1 1
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Precisely
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08/12/2020 16:30:37 2 3
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So I assume that the route they go down will be half dose then full dose if it’s 90% ? ..why would they do two full doses if it’s going to be less effective
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RM
08/12/2020 16:40:00 1 7
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The half dose was a fluke.
Results due to serendipity.
Result by accident then presented as intentional.
Dubious scientific practice.
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08/12/2020 16:37:35 0 1
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...because a two dose regimen has been tested for all ages whereas half then one hasn't.
BBC runs a story on a 90 year old getting the vaccine.

Great news, they can go to work now and pay the tax needed to keep the NHS running?

Money they already paid in their working life was spent by Labour on benefits sadly.

Also run a story when they die from a common cold induced respiratory infection in a few months. Great use of vaccine....
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08/12/2020 16:30:38 5 3
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better she got the vaccine than you, you grumpy trout
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08/12/2020 16:30:45 12 35
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Right, I'm getting sick of this. Look, I am not a conspiracy theorist and I'm not trying to shove an agenda.

But...is there ANYONE here on HYS who, like me, is feeling apprehensive about this magic cure just-in-time-for-Christmas?

(Go ahead bots and click the Thumbs down - make my day)
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08/12/2020 16:33:47 6 2
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"I am not a conspiracy theorist"

That's what they all say...

Especially when they then ask bots to downvote them!
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08/12/2020 16:34:22 2 1
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I'm not. Rightly or wrongly I'm putting my faith in the world's finest scientific minds to find a solution to this
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08/12/2020 16:34:54 3 1
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Well, no. Because the impact of the vaccine is going to be very limited before Christmas. It's just-in-time-for-Easter.
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08/12/2020 16:35:33 5 2
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1. You're in a minority.
2. It's not magic. It's called science and hard work.
3. It's not a cure. It's a preventative measure.
4. It's not 'just in time for Christmas'. If that was the case it would have been certified for use months ago. As it stands, not a single person will have received both necessary doses of any vaccine by Christmas.
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Jay
08/12/2020 16:36:38 1 4
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Not at all, it is just those who shout the loudest and scream "anti-vaxxer" that drown out the quiet voices of the millions of moderates who share your concerns.

I don't doubt the science one bit. 100% faith.

HM Gov? - I don't think so.
Big pharma? - you've got to be joking?
British Regulators?....

World first approval says more about our sleepy regulators than it does their efficiency.
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08/12/2020 16:38:04 2 1
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It isn't in time for Christmas

If you were jabbed today, and you won't be, you wouldn't see protection until the new year
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08/12/2020 16:39:51 0 1
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Nope, not me
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08/12/2020 16:43:40 0 1
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Grow up......
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08/12/2020 16:59:05 1 0
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The 2 doses needed are a month apart for the Oxford/Astrazenica vaccine (which is unapproved) , 3 weeks apart for the Pfizer one. So no, it isn't just in time for Christmas. And even if it was a single dose only a few thousands will benefit this early. It's also not a magic cure.

If you are not a conspiracy theorist, why use the name "Lockdown4ever"? Sounds very much like a conspiracy theory.
08/12/2020 23:49:43 0 0
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It's NOT a cure and it's NOT magic. You may be apprehensive and your are NOT looking down the barrel of the most powerful hand gun in the world but you DO have an important choice to make. Research the facts and choose wisely. "You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"
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08/12/2020 16:30:47 0 2
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Prisoner of Brexit
16:23
"Are they going to make the paper publicly available again like they did with the stage 2 results?

I'd love to read the paper for myself, but I can't seem to find a link.

The link in the article above just goes to the Lancet home page, and I can't see an obvious link to this particular report."

You need a subscription. It's not a free paper...
BBC runs a story on a 90 year old getting the vaccine.

Great news, they can go to work now and pay the tax needed to keep the NHS running?

Money they already paid in their working life was spent by Labour on benefits sadly.

Also run a story when they die from a common cold induced respiratory infection in a few months. Great use of vaccine....
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08/12/2020 16:30:52 4 2
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So you dont realise pensioners also pay tax?
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08/12/2020 16:33:54 0 1
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Only if their income justifies it. Often it doesn't
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:31:07 6 2
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But you would accept hospital treatment if necessary? Hypocrite.
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08/12/2020 16:18:42 588 119
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The much publicised "Oxford Vaccine" has prompted an angry response from bureaucrats in Paris. According to them, the name "Vaccines" can only be applied to medications produced in the Vaccine Region of France, and Oxford must rename their product "sparkling medication".
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08/12/2020 16:31:13 38 19
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Nice Brexit joke but not true. Vaccine comes from Latin vaccinus - "from cows"
, and relates to use of cowpox to prevent smallpox.
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08/12/2020 16:38:45 30 5
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It's a parody of the elderflower champagne controversy ...
08/12/2020 20:03:34 2 1
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oh, duh. you do get a star today. suh.
08/12/2020 20:17:01 3 1
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We know, that's why its called a 'Joke'
08/12/2020 21:26:22 1 1
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Dont spoil it by being a pedant ....
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08/12/2020 16:25:02 216 26
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Brilliant idea. I wonder if the govt might start a scheme where you could voluntarily pay the cost of your jab. I'd be glad to, as I'm sure would many others.
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08/12/2020 16:31:35 4 4
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The cost will depend on which vaccine you have though - if you are told
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:31:35 4 2
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Quite a selfish view. Even with 90% efficacy we need everyone who can to take the jab to make it work for all of society. The only way to get back to normal is for everyone to join in.
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08/12/2020 16:25:46 43 6
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Hey BBC the link to The Lancet article doesnt work. - Might be you have overloaded them with traffic but one to get sorted as linking to primary sources such as this is important.

I do however notice that this seems to have been been a noticeable improvement of late and BBC news articles are providing more links to source material - it does help the quality of the debate down here in the HYS
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08/12/2020 16:32:14 4 1
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Debate? On HYS? Please, stop making me laugh
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08/12/2020 16:22:46 6 22
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Umm....Longitudinal testing?

Why is everyone around me claiming to be a biomedical expert, and slamming people who dare question whether this vaccine is perfectly safe?

COVID-19 appeared on the scene this time last year.

I attended biomedical classes at uni, and the lecturers insisted that human guinea pigs testing new drugs/vaccines need to be monitored over a few years.
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08/12/2020 16:32:20 2 1
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There is a unique monitoring scheme being instituted, scientific brief last week. In addition the Yellow Card scheme inputs will be used to support it. They would, after all, be unable to monitor it if no one had received the vaccine
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08/12/2020 16:26:29 3 14
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We need a plan that details which vaccines will be used, how many will be vaccinated and how it will be done.

What we don't need is the usual fag packet planning over a cup of tea.
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08/12/2020 16:32:27 0 1
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google UK vaccine priority order
The first 7 or & priorities are set up and waiting
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08/12/2020 16:28:42 2 23
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Anyone for Russian roulette?
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08/12/2020 16:32:40 5 1
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Russian roulette has a one in six chance of killing you.

If memory serves, this vaccine has been tested on more than six people, and has killed no-one.
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08/12/2020 16:26:20 26 13
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Just waiting for all the positive comments of support for the government for the current success on vaccines.

Undoubtedly there will be some operational and medical hiccups in the not too distant future for the moaners (and the media) to vent on.
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08/12/2020 16:32:47 28 19
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Let's keep this appaling government out of it can we please? It's a great achievement for science despite politicians.
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08/12/2020 17:44:14 3 0
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Ok, but isn’t it this appalling government that set up the vaccines task force to get us to this point so soon? Turkish Germans created it, Americans financed and developed it, Belgians manufacture it but only UK citizens get it (although Thatcher must take some credit for the huge investment in Pharma in the early 1980s without which UK would not have been able to do this)
08/12/2020 20:26:33 2 1
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It would not have happened without Gov funding to Oxford University -which is a Gov funded research part of the University and not a private company, and the Gov has put millions in so that it can be given to the world at cost.
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08/12/2020 16:24:35 7 5
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The following remark appears at the end of the comment submitted on the Oxford vaccine trial in the Lancet says " Further trials to substantiate the unexpected
findings here and investigation of efficacy in older adults are now needed. The same applies to the Pfizer vaccine, alas we have no peer reviewed publications on it as yet.
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08/12/2020 16:32:51 3 1
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Appropriate time spent on testing is seldom wasted.
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08/12/2020 16:32:54 6 1
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St_Patricks_ Aunt
16:30
All RCTs are pre screened. There is careful study design to match the treatment and placebo arms. Work will be done on the higher risk patients but in the meantime lets get as many uncomplicated people protected..
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08/12/2020 16:32:55 5 1
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08/12/2020 16:33:01 13 13
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presumably its the English vaccine as we now have devolved laws on covid matters....could the SNP provide an update on their vaccine??
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BBC runs a story on a 90 year old getting the vaccine.

Great news, they can go to work now and pay the tax needed to keep the NHS running?

Money they already paid in their working life was spent by Labour on benefits sadly.

Also run a story when they die from a common cold induced respiratory infection in a few months. Great use of vaccine....
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08/12/2020 16:33:10 4 1
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Keeping patients in hospital is expensive (hundreds of pounds a day for basic care - much more for intense emergency treatment), and delays other patients from getting treated. Since older patients are more likely to end up in hospital because of Covid, it is indeed a great use of the vaccine.
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08/12/2020 16:21:35 661 79
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No more anti vaccine nonsense. Roll your sleeves up and stop whining. Time to come out of our hibernation. Happy days
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08/12/2020 16:33:25 146 20
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Let us just hope that people wait until they have had their jabs first though or else...
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08/12/2020 16:51:21 19 8
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Indeed, have the jabs. Plus give them time to work before going out partying.
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08/12/2020 17:23:17 8 2
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Worth also emphasising that people will have to wait until not only they themselves have had the jabs, but also enough other people have had it for herd immunity to be having an effect. We are probably still looking at restrictions for some considerable months yet. But we can afford to be patient, because there is now a credible exit strategy.
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08/12/2020 17:56:48 7 7
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To be fair, there are still plenty of dump parents who won't give their children the mmr jab.

I bet they expect the NHS to care for their precious ones when they fall ill thanks to irresponsible parenting.
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:33:40 3 2
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Drop dead then bye bye :D
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08/12/2020 16:30:45 12 35
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Right, I'm getting sick of this. Look, I am not a conspiracy theorist and I'm not trying to shove an agenda.

But...is there ANYONE here on HYS who, like me, is feeling apprehensive about this magic cure just-in-time-for-Christmas?

(Go ahead bots and click the Thumbs down - make my day)
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08/12/2020 16:33:47 6 2
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"I am not a conspiracy theorist"

That's what they all say...

Especially when they then ask bots to downvote them!
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08/12/2020 16:19:35 3 94
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I wouldn't have any of these vaccines if I was to be paid all the money Bill Gates has to do so.
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08/12/2020 16:33:53 4 1
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Can we assume you’ll be paying for your own medical costs if you get ill, then? That would seem reasonable. I’m not about to force you into vaccination, but I don’t see why I should pay for your care if you refuse and fall seriously ill as a result.
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PJ
08/12/2020 16:51:01 1 1
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Yeah, and all the smokers, drinkers, overweight, rta victims etc etc should be paying for their own treatment too then, by the same logic?
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08/12/2020 16:30:52 4 2
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So you dont realise pensioners also pay tax?
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08/12/2020 16:33:54 0 1
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Only if their income justifies it. Often it doesn't
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Jay
08/12/2020 16:33:57 4 10
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Read the corman droston review and ofcom guidelines on broadcasts in the UK. You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to be alarmed at the lack of debate/scrutiny? Why the blind acceptance? Most of the people in the study are under 55, most of the people dying from covid, are over 80.

This is not at all a controlled test or trial? Why is nobody allowed to question anything for screams of "anti-vax!"?
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08/12/2020 16:38:49 3 2
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Don’t have one then it really is a simple choice
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08/12/2020 16:54:23 2 0
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No, that under 55 demographic was just for the "half dose" group. Just the way the data fell out in the unplanned group. But the error might prove serendipitous, since if further analysis reveals the "half dose" group really confers stronger immunity, it would be used with greater protection. Sometimes errors are just errors, other times they lead to advances (a la Fleming and Penicillin).
BBC runs a story on a 90 year old getting the vaccine.

Great news, they can go to work now and pay the tax needed to keep the NHS running?

Money they already paid in their working life was spent by Labour on benefits sadly.

Also run a story when they die from a common cold induced respiratory infection in a few months. Great use of vaccine....
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08/12/2020 16:34:03 2 1
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I am so glad my reaction to this piece of news was not the same as yours!
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08/12/2020 16:34:11 3 12
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What happens when the virus mutates and a new stronger strain of covid arrives making the vaccine redundant... isn't this how Flu continues to kill ?
Why isn't the vaccine that is made by the AMERICAN company Pfizer using this vaccine in the USA where there are more cases & deaths ..?
Also, the film "I am Legend" is a warning to the manufacture distribution and use of vaccines
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08/12/2020 16:41:45 5 1
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You obviously don’t read the news. It hasn’t been approved for use in the US yet. As for your other points well your obvious ignorance to events leaves me speechless!
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08/12/2020 16:46:27 0 1
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OK so you are anti vax.
I prefer to get my information from competent bodies, MHRA for instance, rather than films. Did you drool over ET?
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08/12/2020 17:10:33 0 0
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If it mutates it will almost certainly become less deadly. Mutation dilutes the virus's DNA
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08/12/2020 17:26:06 0 0
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This virus mutates slowly, any mutation is more likely to make it weaker. The vaccines are triggered by a very small part of the virus and only a very substantial mutation in this part will necessitate a vaccine redesign. You are wrong on the reasons why Flu virus continues to kill. Certification delay in the US is political not scientific. Do you understand that "I am Legend" is fiction?
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08/12/2020 16:30:45 12 35
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Right, I'm getting sick of this. Look, I am not a conspiracy theorist and I'm not trying to shove an agenda.

But...is there ANYONE here on HYS who, like me, is feeling apprehensive about this magic cure just-in-time-for-Christmas?

(Go ahead bots and click the Thumbs down - make my day)
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08/12/2020 16:34:22 2 1
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I'm not. Rightly or wrongly I'm putting my faith in the world's finest scientific minds to find a solution to this
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08/12/2020 16:20:45 35 28
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Well done the Tories and Boris.

Because you absolutely know they'd be getting hammered if we were last in the queue and not first.
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08/12/2020 16:34:24 14 15
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Don’t worry though the lefties are obviously taking their afternoon siesta. Once they wake up the negativity will start!
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08/12/2020 17:39:57 5 0
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Generally speaking those on the left have been quite supportive of this government (Labour backed the furlough scheme and lockdowns) - it's been Boris's own party and Tory supporters that have been most critical of him. As they are the ones that have been determined to put their political ideology ahead of what's best for the people.