'A unique and youthful Women's US Open'
08/12/2020 | sport | golf | 99
A major in December, being played over two courses, with an average age for the 156 players of 26 all adds up to a unique US Women's Open, writes Iain Carter.
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womens open is great
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08/12/2020 17:10:41 22 4
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Bring it on, look forward to watching. Find it more watchable than male snooze fest when the best only come out for big bucks or majors. And, of course distances are more in my territory. (I'd still be hitting first most of the time, probably from the rough.)

Hope the British/Irish contingent bring form of some recent good showings.
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09/12/2020 11:28:21 1 1
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Absolutely agree mattJ1. Better than watching coverage of the same 6 players in a 150 strong field (regardless of where they are on the leader board) like we seem to get in the men's game.
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08/12/2020 17:26:02 19 6
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Can relate to women's golf so much more as they don't hit it too much further than a low handicap golfer. One of the women's sports that deserves more coverage given the talent that's on display unlike some of the other stuff that's rammed down our throats
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08/12/2020 17:42:04 5 14
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Women pro golf in last 3 or so years has been played on very short courses with absurdly generous pars
Hopefully USGA will reward those who can actually hit the ball with power
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08/12/2020 17:46:03 9 3
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Why golf is so much more than long drives
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09/12/2020 15:36:39 2 0
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Interesting that a few weeks ago, we had to endure significant comments about the Masters and players relying on booming drives and wedge 2nds and how boring it was ....... the skill had gone ...... need to shorten the course to bring skill back ..... alter balls ..... limit their kit, limit their distance. Now we have, make it longer for the women. Gender driven views?
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08/12/2020 17:45:00 5 3
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Great idea to use 2 courses to start with.
Really looking forward to this
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08/12/2020 17:42:04 5 14
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Women pro golf in last 3 or so years has been played on very short courses with absurdly generous pars
Hopefully USGA will reward those who can actually hit the ball with power
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08/12/2020 17:46:03 9 3
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Why golf is so much more than long drives
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08/12/2020 18:26:08 2 5
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Agree but length off the tee and ability to hit a fairway wood are no longer part of women game WHY ?
A Major recently under 65oo yards had a par 72
Does anyone believe that is right ?
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08/12/2020 17:46:03 9 3
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Why golf is so much more than long drives
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08/12/2020 18:26:08 2 5
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Agree but length off the tee and ability to hit a fairway wood are no longer part of women game WHY ?
A Major recently under 65oo yards had a par 72
Does anyone believe that is right ?
Hull believes the sterner test will suit her temperament? Not sure I’ve seen such a stroppy, sulky, pouting little cutie on the course before. If only she didn’t speak like a bird after too many in some dodgy spoons. I wouldn’t say no if she offered to try my Hzrdus extra stiff, tipped shaft. Removed
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Another golf hys
womens open is great
How about one hys for athletics
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Hull believes the sterner test will suit her temperament? Not sure I’ve seen such a stroppy, sulky, pouting little cutie on the course before. If only she didn’t speak like a bird after too many in some dodgy spoons. I wouldn’t say no if she offered to try my Hzrdus extra stiff, tipped shaft. Removed
Is that your special 2" shaft? Removed
Hull believes the sterner test will suit her temperament? Not sure I’ve seen such a stroppy, sulky, pouting little cutie on the course before. Cracking set of pins, wouldn’t say no. Truly blessed with today’s crop of girls vs the likes of Dottie Pepper from years gone past. I’ll be tuning in, right hand ready to do my “good luck Charlie” nightly ritual Removed
2 courses being used? No doubt it will take 8 hours to get round as they take a wrong turn at every opportunity when forgetting what course they’re on. Removed
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08/12/2020 19:59:05 14 3
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Why be so derogatory of women golfers? If you want to see slow play and unsportsmanlike like conduct, look no further than some of the American male players that take 10 minutes to make a putt, read a book before every shot and then take nearly six hours for a round of golf.
Some players will be unhappy they are not playing on the Cypress Creek course but it supports a full field with 2 courses
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08/12/2020 19:41:26 15 0
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Unusual idea using 2 courses for the first 2 rounds, but great way of getting a full field around in the available daylight. All sorts of compromises and Plan B's being used at the moment to keep the show on the road, but this looks one of the better ones.
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09/12/2020 09:58:16 2 4
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Not sure it's a level plying field. Different courses, on different days with different weather; hopefully the pin positions with be the same for both days but the speed of the greens may be different...

All a bit contrived to get all 156 around before the light goes. Suspect contract with TV companies has something to do with this to ensure there is no breach...
Another golf hys
womens open is great
How about one hys for athletics
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2 courses being used? No doubt it will take 8 hours to get round as they take a wrong turn at every opportunity when forgetting what course they’re on. Removed
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08/12/2020 19:59:05 14 3
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Why be so derogatory of women golfers? If you want to see slow play and unsportsmanlike like conduct, look no further than some of the American male players that take 10 minutes to make a putt, read a book before every shot and then take nearly six hours for a round of golf.
Some players will be unhappy they are not playing on the Cypress Creek course but it supports a full field with 2 courses
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08/12/2020 20:09:19 4 1
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Surely they are all playing one round on each aren't they - it can't be fair otherwise
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08/12/2020 20:16:27 2 17
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Because they’re the scourge of live golf. Dawdling around, wondering how pretty the flowers look whilst forgetting it gets dark in 7 hours time. Men’s golf is played on courses that demand thinking about golf, put a male 5 handicapper round the courses the girls play on and they’d fill their boots with $$$$$$$
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08/12/2020 19:59:05 14 3
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Why be so derogatory of women golfers? If you want to see slow play and unsportsmanlike like conduct, look no further than some of the American male players that take 10 minutes to make a putt, read a book before every shot and then take nearly six hours for a round of golf.
Some players will be unhappy they are not playing on the Cypress Creek course but it supports a full field with 2 courses
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08/12/2020 20:09:19 4 1
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Surely they are all playing one round on each aren't they - it can't be fair otherwise
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08/12/2020 23:07:28 0 1
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Possibly, or separate cuts and start from 0 on day 3.
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08/12/2020 19:59:05 14 3
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Why be so derogatory of women golfers? If you want to see slow play and unsportsmanlike like conduct, look no further than some of the American male players that take 10 minutes to make a putt, read a book before every shot and then take nearly six hours for a round of golf.
Some players will be unhappy they are not playing on the Cypress Creek course but it supports a full field with 2 courses
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08/12/2020 20:16:27 2 17
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Because they’re the scourge of live golf. Dawdling around, wondering how pretty the flowers look whilst forgetting it gets dark in 7 hours time. Men’s golf is played on courses that demand thinking about golf, put a male 5 handicapper round the courses the girls play on and they’d fill their boots with $$$$$$$
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08/12/2020 22:08:37 5 1
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Absolute drivel
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09/12/2020 07:46:04 9 2
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Drivel. A 5 handicapper wouldn’t get close to making the cut . You have clearly come on here thinking you’re hilarious, but every post reveals that you know nothing about golf. Go away.
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08/12/2020 20:35:54 5 1
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I would have loved to listen to Alliss react to all the twists and turns
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08/12/2020 22:03:23 4 1
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Wow...brought the best out of some on here--not. I think it will be a very enjoyable watch compared to the sweaty armpits at Augusta...
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08/12/2020 20:16:27 2 17
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Because they’re the scourge of live golf. Dawdling around, wondering how pretty the flowers look whilst forgetting it gets dark in 7 hours time. Men’s golf is played on courses that demand thinking about golf, put a male 5 handicapper round the courses the girls play on and they’d fill their boots with $$$$$$$
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08/12/2020 22:08:37 5 1
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Absolute drivel
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08/12/2020 22:20:37 1 8
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Fantastic news.

I think it's time we looked at a mixed tour.

If required we can use ladies tees but let's mix it up a get as much involvement as we can
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09/12/2020 08:37:23 4 1
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Mixed events tend to be novelty or team-based. Individual events played off different tees just won’t work as people will feel that the differential in tees benefits one gender or the other in a particular week or setup.
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09/12/2020 09:54:27 3 0
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Disagree. Just enjoy it for what it is and learn from it.

It's like trying to compare Usain Bolt with Dina Asher Smith; you can't but they are both fantastic and a pleasure to watch.
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08/12/2020 22:51:47 15 2
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I have been playing this game pretty well for several decades and have a lowish handicap. Lord knows I have practiced.
I have never heard of Lily May Humpreys so did some research which is unusual for me, and I see her handicap is +6
She is 18 years old and when she plays golf she has to ADD six shots to her score.I will never understand how good some people can be at this beautiful game of ours.
When you’re a bird playing around a 6500 course with a standard scratch of 79 it’s pretty easy to get low. It’s why and how elite men amateurs get so low as shooting +4 on a “championship CSS 79” sort of course keeps them in the buffer. Or did off the old CONGU system. Removed
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09/12/2020 07:42:48 2 0
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Same here, had never heard of the girl and my eyebrows went up a long way when i came across the plus 6 handicap. At 18!

So her good rounds must be a few shots better than 6, incredible. Good luck to her
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09/12/2020 09:25:31 2 9
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she will probably be playing off the wife's tees which are way forward. If you played off your ladies tees you would probably be 2-4 shots better a round
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09/12/2020 09:51:19 6 0
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Par at my course is 71. That means she has to average 65 or better every round to maintain her handicap. To put that in context our men's course record is 64 followed by 2 x 65, all since 1905!! These LPGA girls play on courses that are typically longer than our men's course, which has a slope rating of 137 and -15 to -20 wins most weeks. Like to see us amateurs match that week in week out!!!!
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08/12/2020 20:09:19 4 1
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Surely they are all playing one round on each aren't they - it can't be fair otherwise
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08/12/2020 23:07:28 0 1
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Possibly, or separate cuts and start from 0 on day 3.
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08/12/2020 22:51:47 15 2
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I have been playing this game pretty well for several decades and have a lowish handicap. Lord knows I have practiced.
I have never heard of Lily May Humpreys so did some research which is unusual for me, and I see her handicap is +6
She is 18 years old and when she plays golf she has to ADD six shots to her score.I will never understand how good some people can be at this beautiful game of ours.
When you’re a bird playing around a 6500 course with a standard scratch of 79 it’s pretty easy to get low. It’s why and how elite men amateurs get so low as shooting +4 on a “championship CSS 79” sort of course keeps them in the buffer. Or did off the old CONGU system. Removed
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09/12/2020 00:00:04 6 10
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Can't wait. Women's game is technically superior to the men's now which has become bent over baseball. Gifted swingers great putters and style. Beats the bulls on all fronts. They have to use technique to propel the ball with their strength levels while the men dispence with form and brute force disguises their deficiencies. Love to see mixed tourney with a short ball for the guys
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09/12/2020 07:40:05 7 2
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Women’s game more skilful? Might need to do some digging in that. When anneka was cleaning up in the women’s game she entered a few men’s tournaments and concluded that the biggest difference in standards was around the green. She could get in the mix in terms of distance, but couldn’t match the guys in the greens.
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09/12/2020 08:34:34 3 2
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I’m not slagging off the women’s game, I enjoy watching and have been to several events, but stating that it is more skilful than the men’s game is just not accurate.
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09/12/2020 09:43:15 5 1
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I'm not sure it's technically superior but as amateurs most of us men can learn a hell of a lot more watching the ladies game as they use timing to make up for their lack of strength and have a short game most most us can only ever dream about. Also more enjoyable to watch as a spectator as you can get much closer to the action most of the time. That is very difficult at the men's majors.
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09/12/2020 10:05:37 2 0
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It is neither technically superior not more skilful. Players may be equal but you would expect that of elite professionals. However it highlights the game the everyday golfer should play. These shorter, slighter, less powerful people driving it 240-300 yards. Using hybrids into the greens from 150 to 200 yards. Less power, less club head speed, good rhythm, good timing, playing to strengths.
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09/12/2020 00:10:12 4 2
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25 comments, but it looks like BillyNoMates accounts for half of them
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09/12/2020 06:34:41 8 3
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Womens golf is one game that I will definitely watch, highly skilled where longest hitters dont dominate. Courses could probably be set up a little tougher for them but its still good to watch and a number of players can win. Good luck to Minjee Lee, practices at my local club in Perth, been close but cant get it over the line in the majors
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09/12/2020 00:00:04 6 10
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Can't wait. Women's game is technically superior to the men's now which has become bent over baseball. Gifted swingers great putters and style. Beats the bulls on all fronts. They have to use technique to propel the ball with their strength levels while the men dispence with form and brute force disguises their deficiencies. Love to see mixed tourney with a short ball for the guys
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09/12/2020 07:40:05 7 2
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Women’s game more skilful? Might need to do some digging in that. When anneka was cleaning up in the women’s game she entered a few men’s tournaments and concluded that the biggest difference in standards was around the green. She could get in the mix in terms of distance, but couldn’t match the guys in the greens.
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09/12/2020 09:37:15 3 0
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You're missing the point!..
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09/12/2020 10:11:34 2 2
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The short game deficiency could only have been as a result of environment. Women have the potential to be as skilful at chipping and putting as men but if the set up around the greens and pace of greens rarely demands it, there is less need to practice it. Notably, Inbee Park became one of the most prolific winners in history with the help of her putting excellence.
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09/12/2020 14:55:11 1 1
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Even a cursery understanding of swing technique would tell you that their swings "generally" are purer than what passes on the mens tour. Such as dancing with stars Matt Wolfe and of course Arnold de chambox. The list of pure women swingers is endless. Can I think of one since Tiger... Maybe Mac with a driver but that's it.
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09/12/2020 15:01:35 0 0
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Seriously... Forgive me while I laugh. That's one hell of a sample one player.
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08/12/2020 22:51:47 15 2
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I have been playing this game pretty well for several decades and have a lowish handicap. Lord knows I have practiced.
I have never heard of Lily May Humpreys so did some research which is unusual for me, and I see her handicap is +6
She is 18 years old and when she plays golf she has to ADD six shots to her score.I will never understand how good some people can be at this beautiful game of ours.
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09/12/2020 07:42:48 2 0
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Same here, had never heard of the girl and my eyebrows went up a long way when i came across the plus 6 handicap. At 18!

So her good rounds must be a few shots better than 6, incredible. Good luck to her
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08/12/2020 20:16:27 2 17
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Because they’re the scourge of live golf. Dawdling around, wondering how pretty the flowers look whilst forgetting it gets dark in 7 hours time. Men’s golf is played on courses that demand thinking about golf, put a male 5 handicapper round the courses the girls play on and they’d fill their boots with $$$$$$$
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09/12/2020 07:46:04 9 2
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Drivel. A 5 handicapper wouldn’t get close to making the cut . You have clearly come on here thinking you’re hilarious, but every post reveals that you know nothing about golf. Go away.
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09/12/2020 00:00:04 6 10
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Can't wait. Women's game is technically superior to the men's now which has become bent over baseball. Gifted swingers great putters and style. Beats the bulls on all fronts. They have to use technique to propel the ball with their strength levels while the men dispence with form and brute force disguises their deficiencies. Love to see mixed tourney with a short ball for the guys
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09/12/2020 08:34:34 3 2
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I’m not slagging off the women’s game, I enjoy watching and have been to several events, but stating that it is more skilful than the men’s game is just not accurate.
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08/12/2020 22:20:37 1 8
bbc
Fantastic news.

I think it's time we looked at a mixed tour.

If required we can use ladies tees but let's mix it up a get as much involvement as we can
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09/12/2020 08:37:23 4 1
bbc
Mixed events tend to be novelty or team-based. Individual events played off different tees just won’t work as people will feel that the differential in tees benefits one gender or the other in a particular week or setup.
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09/12/2020 22:36:55 0 0
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In which week would there be a benefit to the men playing off tees which can be hundreds of yards behind the ladies' ?
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08/12/2020 22:51:47 15 2
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I have been playing this game pretty well for several decades and have a lowish handicap. Lord knows I have practiced.
I have never heard of Lily May Humpreys so did some research which is unusual for me, and I see her handicap is +6
She is 18 years old and when she plays golf she has to ADD six shots to her score.I will never understand how good some people can be at this beautiful game of ours.
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09/12/2020 09:25:31 2 9
bbc
she will probably be playing off the wife's tees which are way forward. If you played off your ladies tees you would probably be 2-4 shots better a round
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09/12/2020 12:30:50 3 0
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A lot of clubs run comps like this, where men play off forward tees. Amazingly (or not) many people fail to improve their scores. On my course for example the forward tees bring water into play on 3 holes, whereas the same water is not relevant off the back tees. The angle of approach is often harder off our front tees too, so you get "help" with distance but only if you are more accurate.
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09/12/2020 07:40:05 7 2
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Women’s game more skilful? Might need to do some digging in that. When anneka was cleaning up in the women’s game she entered a few men’s tournaments and concluded that the biggest difference in standards was around the green. She could get in the mix in terms of distance, but couldn’t match the guys in the greens.
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09/12/2020 09:37:15 3 0
bbc
You're missing the point!..
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09/12/2020 00:00:04 6 10
bbc
Can't wait. Women's game is technically superior to the men's now which has become bent over baseball. Gifted swingers great putters and style. Beats the bulls on all fronts. They have to use technique to propel the ball with their strength levels while the men dispence with form and brute force disguises their deficiencies. Love to see mixed tourney with a short ball for the guys
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09/12/2020 09:43:15 5 1
bbc
I'm not sure it's technically superior but as amateurs most of us men can learn a hell of a lot more watching the ladies game as they use timing to make up for their lack of strength and have a short game most most us can only ever dream about. Also more enjoyable to watch as a spectator as you can get much closer to the action most of the time. That is very difficult at the men's majors.
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09/12/2020 09:48:41 23 5
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I genuinely prefer watching womens golf now. The distance the men hit it is amazing (and I don't object to it like some do) but it makes the game less relatable. I want to see the players grappling with similar problems and club choices as me, and see how much better they deal them. That is what happens in womens golf. Men just power through it, which is fine, but I want to watch the game I play.
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09/12/2020 11:23:50 7 0
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The last few weeks have been remarkable, seeing Emily pedersen winning 3 in a row. Each time she has got herself in contention she has looked in complete control. Impressive run
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08/12/2020 22:51:47 15 2
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I have been playing this game pretty well for several decades and have a lowish handicap. Lord knows I have practiced.
I have never heard of Lily May Humpreys so did some research which is unusual for me, and I see her handicap is +6
She is 18 years old and when she plays golf she has to ADD six shots to her score.I will never understand how good some people can be at this beautiful game of ours.
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09/12/2020 09:51:19 6 0
bbc
Par at my course is 71. That means she has to average 65 or better every round to maintain her handicap. To put that in context our men's course record is 64 followed by 2 x 65, all since 1905!! These LPGA girls play on courses that are typically longer than our men's course, which has a slope rating of 137 and -15 to -20 wins most weeks. Like to see us amateurs match that week in week out!!!!
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08/12/2020 22:20:37 1 8
bbc
Fantastic news.

I think it's time we looked at a mixed tour.

If required we can use ladies tees but let's mix it up a get as much involvement as we can
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09/12/2020 09:54:27 3 0
bbc
Disagree. Just enjoy it for what it is and learn from it.

It's like trying to compare Usain Bolt with Dina Asher Smith; you can't but they are both fantastic and a pleasure to watch.
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09/12/2020 12:30:43 2 0
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Watching both Bolt (pre-retirement) and Asher Smith separately is great as both spectacular. Watch them in same race & it wouldn't be the same.

I want more mixed events, in particular team comps where i think it works (a bit similar to mixed doubles in tennis as both providing something), but I don't think a mixed tour would bring the numbers in.

Looking forward to the Women's US Open though.
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09/12/2020 09:58:13 4 2
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womens golf is great and adds a new youthful dimension to the game
Certainly need more skill as men can power through sometimes
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09/12/2020 10:39:45 5 2
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More skill? That's just not true. Even the longest of bombers in the men's game only get near the top of the leaderboard if their short game is sharp.
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08/12/2020 19:41:26 15 0
bbc
Unusual idea using 2 courses for the first 2 rounds, but great way of getting a full field around in the available daylight. All sorts of compromises and Plan B's being used at the moment to keep the show on the road, but this looks one of the better ones.
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09/12/2020 09:58:16 2 4
bbc
Not sure it's a level plying field. Different courses, on different days with different weather; hopefully the pin positions with be the same for both days but the speed of the greens may be different...

All a bit contrived to get all 156 around before the light goes. Suspect contract with TV companies has something to do with this to ensure there is no breach...
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09/12/2020 18:47:32 0 0
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It's never a level playing field, especially with links courses, often the weather can make a huge difference between early tee scores and late tee scores.
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09/12/2020 00:00:04 6 10
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Can't wait. Women's game is technically superior to the men's now which has become bent over baseball. Gifted swingers great putters and style. Beats the bulls on all fronts. They have to use technique to propel the ball with their strength levels while the men dispence with form and brute force disguises their deficiencies. Love to see mixed tourney with a short ball for the guys
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09/12/2020 10:05:37 2 0
bbc
It is neither technically superior not more skilful. Players may be equal but you would expect that of elite professionals. However it highlights the game the everyday golfer should play. These shorter, slighter, less powerful people driving it 240-300 yards. Using hybrids into the greens from 150 to 200 yards. Less power, less club head speed, good rhythm, good timing, playing to strengths.
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09/12/2020 07:40:05 7 2
bbc
Women’s game more skilful? Might need to do some digging in that. When anneka was cleaning up in the women’s game she entered a few men’s tournaments and concluded that the biggest difference in standards was around the green. She could get in the mix in terms of distance, but couldn’t match the guys in the greens.
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09/12/2020 10:11:34 2 2
bbc
The short game deficiency could only have been as a result of environment. Women have the potential to be as skilful at chipping and putting as men but if the set up around the greens and pace of greens rarely demands it, there is less need to practice it. Notably, Inbee Park became one of the most prolific winners in history with the help of her putting excellence.
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09/12/2020 10:43:54 1 0
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Yes, Inbee is an excellent putter.

As for the short game, Anneka put it well, saying that she thought her short game was good until she played some events with the men and realised that she need to raise her expectations and demands of herself.

Absolutely no reason why the best short game player can't be female, but that just isn't the case at the moment.
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09/12/2020 10:35:06 4 4
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Is Paige Spiranac not in the field?
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09/12/2020 11:24:31 2 0
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No
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09/12/2020 12:20:12 2 1
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No but if that’s all you’re interested in, she has a website and there’s plenty of other sites you can go to also.
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09/12/2020 09:58:13 4 2
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womens golf is great and adds a new youthful dimension to the game
Certainly need more skill as men can power through sometimes
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09/12/2020 10:39:45 5 2
bbc
More skill? That's just not true. Even the longest of bombers in the men's game only get near the top of the leaderboard if their short game is sharp.
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09/12/2020 10:11:34 2 2
bbc
The short game deficiency could only have been as a result of environment. Women have the potential to be as skilful at chipping and putting as men but if the set up around the greens and pace of greens rarely demands it, there is less need to practice it. Notably, Inbee Park became one of the most prolific winners in history with the help of her putting excellence.
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09/12/2020 10:43:54 1 0
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Yes, Inbee is an excellent putter.

As for the short game, Anneka put it well, saying that she thought her short game was good until she played some events with the men and realised that she need to raise her expectations and demands of herself.

Absolutely no reason why the best short game player can't be female, but that just isn't the case at the moment.
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09/12/2020 12:26:11 0 0
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I think short game it's around strength in depth which is building. E.g. you have 1m men playing & 1,000 ladies then you would expect that you'll find more quality players in the male pool. That's not to say one of the 1,000 ladies couldn't be the best in terms of short game, just that it's less probable. If you get more playing the game, improved coaching then it will continue to strengthen.
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09/12/2020 12:35:25 0 0
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Again, it’s the environment. In any sport, if you play with and against better players you improve in order to survive.
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09/12/2020 11:08:21 1 2
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it brings new dimensions and different skills
A bit of interest as well with new players
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09/12/2020 09:48:41 23 5
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I genuinely prefer watching womens golf now. The distance the men hit it is amazing (and I don't object to it like some do) but it makes the game less relatable. I want to see the players grappling with similar problems and club choices as me, and see how much better they deal them. That is what happens in womens golf. Men just power through it, which is fine, but I want to watch the game I play.
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09/12/2020 11:23:50 7 0
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The last few weeks have been remarkable, seeing Emily pedersen winning 3 in a row. Each time she has got herself in contention she has looked in complete control. Impressive run
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09/12/2020 10:35:06 4 4
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Is Paige Spiranac not in the field?
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09/12/2020 11:24:31 2 0
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No
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08/12/2020 17:10:41 22 4
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Bring it on, look forward to watching. Find it more watchable than male snooze fest when the best only come out for big bucks or majors. And, of course distances are more in my territory. (I'd still be hitting first most of the time, probably from the rough.)

Hope the British/Irish contingent bring form of some recent good showings.
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09/12/2020 11:28:21 1 1
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Absolutely agree mattJ1. Better than watching coverage of the same 6 players in a 150 strong field (regardless of where they are on the leader board) like we seem to get in the men's game.
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09/12/2020 12:06:37 2 22
bbc
Never seen so much hogwash
Standard of women golf at the top is falling and has been doing so for years
A decade ago the top women could give the men over 50s a decent game
Nowadays they would be obliterated
By all means women can play sport and be well paid but it is time the BBC started telling the truth
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09/12/2020 12:25:31 3 0
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I’m not sure how you work out that comparison but if you mean they couldn’t keep up with the likes of Phil Mickleson, then you’re correct, obviously. However that’s a statement on the levels of fitness and skill of players in the over 50 age group.
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09/12/2020 13:00:02 1 0
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A decade ago, majors were being won by Yani Tseng, Christie Kerr, Stacey Lewis.

I can't see any basis for saying that those players are stronger than the current leading contenders.

As for the over 50's comments, Langer was already over 50 at that stage and Watson nearly won the Open, so no, I don't think that dynamic has changed either.
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09/12/2020 15:28:08 6 1
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We don’t need, nor seek permission to play sport and earn a living from it, we’re capable of defining our own career paths. Feel free to join the 21st century, when you’re ready.
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09/12/2020 16:08:32 3 1
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Absolute hog wash...standards improve year on year in line with technical advances and fitness, the ladies are awesome
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09/12/2020 22:05:09 0 0
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Utter drivel
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09/12/2020 10:35:06 4 4
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Is Paige Spiranac not in the field?
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09/12/2020 12:20:12 2 1
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No but if that’s all you’re interested in, she has a website and there’s plenty of other sites you can go to also.
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09/12/2020 13:22:49 2 0
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You may be straying into Leslie's area of expertise there, Paul
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09/12/2020 12:06:37 2 22
bbc
Never seen so much hogwash
Standard of women golf at the top is falling and has been doing so for years
A decade ago the top women could give the men over 50s a decent game
Nowadays they would be obliterated
By all means women can play sport and be well paid but it is time the BBC started telling the truth
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09/12/2020 12:25:31 3 0
bbc
I’m not sure how you work out that comparison but if you mean they couldn’t keep up with the likes of Phil Mickleson, then you’re correct, obviously. However that’s a statement on the levels of fitness and skill of players in the over 50 age group.
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09/12/2020 10:43:54 1 0
bbc
Yes, Inbee is an excellent putter.

As for the short game, Anneka put it well, saying that she thought her short game was good until she played some events with the men and realised that she need to raise her expectations and demands of herself.

Absolutely no reason why the best short game player can't be female, but that just isn't the case at the moment.
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09/12/2020 12:26:11 0 0
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I think short game it's around strength in depth which is building. E.g. you have 1m men playing & 1,000 ladies then you would expect that you'll find more quality players in the male pool. That's not to say one of the 1,000 ladies couldn't be the best in terms of short game, just that it's less probable. If you get more playing the game, improved coaching then it will continue to strengthen.
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09/12/2020 09:54:27 3 0
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Disagree. Just enjoy it for what it is and learn from it.

It's like trying to compare Usain Bolt with Dina Asher Smith; you can't but they are both fantastic and a pleasure to watch.
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09/12/2020 12:30:43 2 0
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Watching both Bolt (pre-retirement) and Asher Smith separately is great as both spectacular. Watch them in same race & it wouldn't be the same.

I want more mixed events, in particular team comps where i think it works (a bit similar to mixed doubles in tennis as both providing something), but I don't think a mixed tour would bring the numbers in.

Looking forward to the Women's US Open though.
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09/12/2020 09:25:31 2 9
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she will probably be playing off the wife's tees which are way forward. If you played off your ladies tees you would probably be 2-4 shots better a round
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09/12/2020 12:30:50 3 0
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A lot of clubs run comps like this, where men play off forward tees. Amazingly (or not) many people fail to improve their scores. On my course for example the forward tees bring water into play on 3 holes, whereas the same water is not relevant off the back tees. The angle of approach is often harder off our front tees too, so you get "help" with distance but only if you are more accurate.
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09/12/2020 10:43:54 1 0
bbc
Yes, Inbee is an excellent putter.

As for the short game, Anneka put it well, saying that she thought her short game was good until she played some events with the men and realised that she need to raise her expectations and demands of herself.

Absolutely no reason why the best short game player can't be female, but that just isn't the case at the moment.
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09/12/2020 12:35:25 0 0
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Again, it’s the environment. In any sport, if you play with and against better players you improve in order to survive.
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09/12/2020 12:06:37 2 22
bbc
Never seen so much hogwash
Standard of women golf at the top is falling and has been doing so for years
A decade ago the top women could give the men over 50s a decent game
Nowadays they would be obliterated
By all means women can play sport and be well paid but it is time the BBC started telling the truth
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09/12/2020 13:00:02 1 0
bbc
A decade ago, majors were being won by Yani Tseng, Christie Kerr, Stacey Lewis.

I can't see any basis for saying that those players are stronger than the current leading contenders.

As for the over 50's comments, Langer was already over 50 at that stage and Watson nearly won the Open, so no, I don't think that dynamic has changed either.
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09/12/2020 13:04:14 3 8
bbc
Why not try mixed events for interest
Both have same levels of skill
Make it a pro event with decent money
Gets more interest in the sport
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09/12/2020 13:21:27 4 2
bbc
Mixed events already happen.
Same skill levels? No.
Gimmicks like this are not the way to progress the women's game.
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09/12/2020 14:21:17 1 1
bbc
Brittany Lincicome played in a PGA event a couple of years ago and it didn't turn out too well.
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09/12/2020 13:04:14 3 8
bbc
Why not try mixed events for interest
Both have same levels of skill
Make it a pro event with decent money
Gets more interest in the sport
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09/12/2020 13:21:27 4 2
bbc
Mixed events already happen.
Same skill levels? No.
Gimmicks like this are not the way to progress the women's game.
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09/12/2020 12:20:12 2 1
bbc
No but if that’s all you’re interested in, she has a website and there’s plenty of other sites you can go to also.
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09/12/2020 13:22:49 2 0
bbc
You may be straying into Leslie's area of expertise there, Paul
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09/12/2020 13:04:14 3 8
bbc
Why not try mixed events for interest
Both have same levels of skill
Make it a pro event with decent money
Gets more interest in the sport
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09/12/2020 14:21:17 1 1
bbc
Brittany Lincicome played in a PGA event a couple of years ago and it didn't turn out too well.
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09/12/2020 14:34:34 2 0
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There's been lots of example of that.

Annika, various others, and Michelle Wie played a PGA event when she was 14. Wie missed the cut by 1 shot when she was 14, which is pretty impressive.
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09/12/2020 14:21:17 1 1
bbc
Brittany Lincicome played in a PGA event a couple of years ago and it didn't turn out too well.
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09/12/2020 14:34:34 2 0
bbc
There's been lots of example of that.

Annika, various others, and Michelle Wie played a PGA event when she was 14. Wie missed the cut by 1 shot when she was 14, which is pretty impressive.
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09/12/2020 18:24:49 0 0
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Yes, I remember being mildly surprised when her father stated his daughter should be playing with the men.
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09/12/2020 07:40:05 7 2
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Women’s game more skilful? Might need to do some digging in that. When anneka was cleaning up in the women’s game she entered a few men’s tournaments and concluded that the biggest difference in standards was around the green. She could get in the mix in terms of distance, but couldn’t match the guys in the greens.
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09/12/2020 14:55:11 1 1
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Even a cursery understanding of swing technique would tell you that their swings "generally" are purer than what passes on the mens tour. Such as dancing with stars Matt Wolfe and of course Arnold de chambox. The list of pure women swingers is endless. Can I think of one since Tiger... Maybe Mac with a driver but that's it.
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09/12/2020 07:40:05 7 2
bbc
Women’s game more skilful? Might need to do some digging in that. When anneka was cleaning up in the women’s game she entered a few men’s tournaments and concluded that the biggest difference in standards was around the green. She could get in the mix in terms of distance, but couldn’t match the guys in the greens.
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09/12/2020 15:01:35 0 0
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Seriously... Forgive me while I laugh. That's one hell of a sample one player.
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09/12/2020 15:11:22 1 5
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In terms of the sheer numbers of quality elite swings the women are miles ahead unless you count likes matt wolff or B de C as elite swing. Elite performer maybe but swing no way jose and that goes for the vast majority of the men you can count on fingers of one hand those with pure elite quality swings. The women have it. Sorry to bruse the egos but it's fact.
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09/12/2020 15:42:21 4 0
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Poor generalisation. There are blokes with ugly swings, there are women with ugly swings. All that matters is where the ball goes.

No idea why you think you would be bruising egos with this comment, unless you think that wolff or bison are reading.
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09/12/2020 12:06:37 2 22
bbc
Never seen so much hogwash
Standard of women golf at the top is falling and has been doing so for years
A decade ago the top women could give the men over 50s a decent game
Nowadays they would be obliterated
By all means women can play sport and be well paid but it is time the BBC started telling the truth
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09/12/2020 15:28:08 6 1
bbc
We don’t need, nor seek permission to play sport and earn a living from it, we’re capable of defining our own career paths. Feel free to join the 21st century, when you’re ready.
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09/12/2020 15:43:31 2 0
bbc
Don't rush him, let him work his way up to the 20th century first.
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08/12/2020 17:42:04 5 14
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Women pro golf in last 3 or so years has been played on very short courses with absurdly generous pars
Hopefully USGA will reward those who can actually hit the ball with power
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09/12/2020 15:36:39 2 0
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Interesting that a few weeks ago, we had to endure significant comments about the Masters and players relying on booming drives and wedge 2nds and how boring it was ....... the skill had gone ...... need to shorten the course to bring skill back ..... alter balls ..... limit their kit, limit their distance. Now we have, make it longer for the women. Gender driven views?
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09/12/2020 15:41:53 11 1
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Billyhasagoat. I play at 2 clubs, off 9.6 and I’ve yet to see anybody wander around wondering at flowers, regardless of their gender. Looking at the amount of comments you’ve had removed, it seems you dislike female golfers and look to deride them at every opportunity. Step away from the keyboard, you’re looking like a fool.
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09/12/2020 15:45:33 6 1
bbc
Billy is only being obnoxious about female golfers today because that is what the article is about. Other days, he is obnoxious about whatever it takes to get attention. The sad life of WUM.

Good golf, Annette!
Best get to the garden centre to buy some then. Just don’t ask the guys if they like them or not, we generally don’t care.

And the moderator must be female to hazard a guess. Couldn’t really care less what you think, but I think “professional” women’s golf is a poor standard. But hey, that’s just how it is in the world in general
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09/12/2020 15:11:22 1 5
bbc
In terms of the sheer numbers of quality elite swings the women are miles ahead unless you count likes matt wolff or B de C as elite swing. Elite performer maybe but swing no way jose and that goes for the vast majority of the men you can count on fingers of one hand those with pure elite quality swings. The women have it. Sorry to bruse the egos but it's fact.
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09/12/2020 15:42:21 4 0
bbc
Poor generalisation. There are blokes with ugly swings, there are women with ugly swings. All that matters is where the ball goes.

No idea why you think you would be bruising egos with this comment, unless you think that wolff or bison are reading.
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09/12/2020 15:28:08 6 1
bbc
We don’t need, nor seek permission to play sport and earn a living from it, we’re capable of defining our own career paths. Feel free to join the 21st century, when you’re ready.
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09/12/2020 15:43:31 2 0
bbc
Don't rush him, let him work his way up to the 20th century first.
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09/12/2020 15:41:53 11 1
bbc
Billyhasagoat. I play at 2 clubs, off 9.6 and I’ve yet to see anybody wander around wondering at flowers, regardless of their gender. Looking at the amount of comments you’ve had removed, it seems you dislike female golfers and look to deride them at every opportunity. Step away from the keyboard, you’re looking like a fool.
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09/12/2020 15:45:33 6 1
bbc
Billy is only being obnoxious about female golfers today because that is what the article is about. Other days, he is obnoxious about whatever it takes to get attention. The sad life of WUM.

Good golf, Annette!
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09/12/2020 15:50:31 2 0
bbc
Fair enough, he’s not even selective then. I’ll leave him to his sadness. Thank you.
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09/12/2020 15:45:33 6 1
bbc
Billy is only being obnoxious about female golfers today because that is what the article is about. Other days, he is obnoxious about whatever it takes to get attention. The sad life of WUM.

Good golf, Annette!
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09/12/2020 15:50:31 2 0
bbc
Fair enough, he’s not even selective then. I’ll leave him to his sadness. Thank you.
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09/12/2020 12:06:37 2 22
bbc
Never seen so much hogwash
Standard of women golf at the top is falling and has been doing so for years
A decade ago the top women could give the men over 50s a decent game
Nowadays they would be obliterated
By all means women can play sport and be well paid but it is time the BBC started telling the truth
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09/12/2020 16:08:32 3 1
bbc
Absolute hog wash...standards improve year on year in line with technical advances and fitness, the ladies are awesome
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09/12/2020 17:23:55 1 0
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Is Billyhasagoat kidding?
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09/12/2020 18:49:05 2 5
bbc
Which part? The girls taking 8 hours to get round when they forget which course they’re on, take a wrong turn and get lost?
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09/12/2020 17:28:08 1 12
bbc
I have never watched women's golf and never will. Each to their own. If YOU enjoy it carry on.
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09/12/2020 17:35:24 10 1
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Thanks for YOUR comment and insight into your golfing mindset. Anything else you’d like to share with us that YOU don’t do, that you think will add value to this golfing HYS?
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09/12/2020 18:43:00 2 1
bbc
Well it is hardly surprising that you are uncomfortable with the truth then is it.
Are you comfortable with your misogyny?
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09/12/2020 17:28:08 1 12
bbc
I have never watched women's golf and never will. Each to their own. If YOU enjoy it carry on.
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09/12/2020 17:35:24 10 1
bbc
Thanks for YOUR comment and insight into your golfing mindset. Anything else you’d like to share with us that YOU don’t do, that you think will add value to this golfing HYS?
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09/12/2020 18:45:22 1 7
bbc
I generally don't respond to hysterical women, but will in this instance-is that ok? You watch what you want, write what you want and I will do the same. Does Have YOUR Say mean anything to you? What did your silly comment add to this golfing HYS?
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09/12/2020 17:46:25 2 0
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I hope Emily Pedersen does ok. The young Dane lost her confidence after being picked for the Solheim Cup in 2017. She admits she didn’t know how to deal with things. Worked hard and won the LET race at a canter. Good luck to her. Can’t see past a Korean winner however.
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09/12/2020 14:34:34 2 0
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There's been lots of example of that.

Annika, various others, and Michelle Wie played a PGA event when she was 14. Wie missed the cut by 1 shot when she was 14, which is pretty impressive.
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09/12/2020 18:24:49 0 0
bbc
Yes, I remember being mildly surprised when her father stated his daughter should be playing with the men.
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09/12/2020 17:28:08 1 12
bbc
I have never watched women's golf and never will. Each to their own. If YOU enjoy it carry on.
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09/12/2020 18:43:00 2 1
bbc
Well it is hardly surprising that you are uncomfortable with the truth then is it.
Are you comfortable with your misogyny?
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09/12/2020 17:35:24 10 1
bbc
Thanks for YOUR comment and insight into your golfing mindset. Anything else you’d like to share with us that YOU don’t do, that you think will add value to this golfing HYS?
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09/12/2020 18:45:22 1 7
bbc
I generally don't respond to hysterical women, but will in this instance-is that ok? You watch what you want, write what you want and I will do the same. Does Have YOUR Say mean anything to you? What did your silly comment add to this golfing HYS?
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09/12/2020 18:50:58 3 2
bbc
And here is the fallback position of it being female hysteria. Yes, I added value in responding to you, as evidenced.
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09/12/2020 09:58:16 2 4
bbc
Not sure it's a level plying field. Different courses, on different days with different weather; hopefully the pin positions with be the same for both days but the speed of the greens may be different...

All a bit contrived to get all 156 around before the light goes. Suspect contract with TV companies has something to do with this to ensure there is no breach...
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09/12/2020 18:47:32 0 0
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It's never a level playing field, especially with links courses, often the weather can make a huge difference between early tee scores and late tee scores.
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09/12/2020 17:23:55 1 0
bbc
Is Billyhasagoat kidding?
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09/12/2020 18:49:05 2 5
bbc
Which part? The girls taking 8 hours to get round when they forget which course they’re on, take a wrong turn and get lost?
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09/12/2020 19:26:55 3 1
bbc
Billy, your world must be dark and sad, making such crass and abusive comments.
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09/12/2020 18:45:22 1 7
bbc
I generally don't respond to hysterical women, but will in this instance-is that ok? You watch what you want, write what you want and I will do the same. Does Have YOUR Say mean anything to you? What did your silly comment add to this golfing HYS?
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09/12/2020 18:50:58 3 2
bbc
And here is the fallback position of it being female hysteria. Yes, I added value in responding to you, as evidenced.
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09/12/2020 15:41:53 11 1
bbc
Billyhasagoat. I play at 2 clubs, off 9.6 and I’ve yet to see anybody wander around wondering at flowers, regardless of their gender. Looking at the amount of comments you’ve had removed, it seems you dislike female golfers and look to deride them at every opportunity. Step away from the keyboard, you’re looking like a fool.
Best get to the garden centre to buy some then. Just don’t ask the guys if they like them or not, we generally don’t care.

And the moderator must be female to hazard a guess. Couldn’t really care less what you think, but I think “professional” women’s golf is a poor standard. But hey, that’s just how it is in the world in general
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09/12/2020 19:24:44 2 0
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Are there and have there been no women in your life that you value? Reading your comment, it doesn’t present as you have.
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09/12/2020 19:12:31 1 2
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no stephanie meadow, who has had a good year and 38th on the CME RANKINGS , how they work out the qualifying needs looked at, she is playing great right now.... real shame
Best get to the garden centre to buy some then. Just don’t ask the guys if they like them or not, we generally don’t care.

And the moderator must be female to hazard a guess. Couldn’t really care less what you think, but I think “professional” women’s golf is a poor standard. But hey, that’s just how it is in the world in general
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09/12/2020 19:24:44 2 0
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Are there and have there been no women in your life that you value? Reading your comment, it doesn’t present as you have.
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09/12/2020 18:49:05 2 5
bbc
Which part? The girls taking 8 hours to get round when they forget which course they’re on, take a wrong turn and get lost?
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09/12/2020 19:26:55 3 1
bbc
Billy, your world must be dark and sad, making such crass and abusive comments.
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09/12/2020 20:58:50 0 5
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Just amazed that the ladies pay less than the men at my local course yet are a stain on the game I love when it comes to etiquette. The old farts grumble, the ladies cause grief because of self entitlement. You’re probably one of them who holds up a 4 ball playing as a 3 and marches back down the fairway when a drive rolls 20 yards behind them. It’s ALWAYS the ladies, ban them all.
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09/12/2020 20:14:10 5 3
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I much prefer watching women’s golf, I’ve actually been to 4 LPGA events and people can learn so much watching a woman’s swing, a simple easy swing, which most amateurs would learn so much from. Go Sei Young Kim, my favourite player.
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09/12/2020 20:40:41 1 1
bbc
mixed sex tournaments may add some skill and tension and who knows excitement to the game. Build the audience, and move away from male exclusivity
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09/12/2020 21:37:55 3 1
bbc
Mixed events are gimmicks, and are not what is required to help build the women’s game.
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09/12/2020 19:26:55 3 1
bbc
Billy, your world must be dark and sad, making such crass and abusive comments.
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09/12/2020 20:58:50 0 5
bbc
Just amazed that the ladies pay less than the men at my local course yet are a stain on the game I love when it comes to etiquette. The old farts grumble, the ladies cause grief because of self entitlement. You’re probably one of them who holds up a 4 ball playing as a 3 and marches back down the fairway when a drive rolls 20 yards behind them. It’s ALWAYS the ladies, ban them all.
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09/12/2020 21:59:42 2 0
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Billy, my handicap is 9.6 and a member of 2 private courses. But you keep throwing your insults if it helps to plug your confidence and golf skills gap.
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09/12/2020 21:24:12 0 5
bbc
Standards might improve in depth but women golf at the top hasn't
Where is the next Sorenstam or Ochoa
Based on what were laughably called Par 5s at Woburn then Sandwich would have Par 6s or 7s
Lots of elements to golf one of which is hitting the ball
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09/12/2020 21:36:33 3 0
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Drivel
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09/12/2020 22:02:38 1 0
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Not for the first time you are well wife of the mark
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09/12/2020 21:24:12 0 5
bbc
Standards might improve in depth but women golf at the top hasn't
Where is the next Sorenstam or Ochoa
Based on what were laughably called Par 5s at Woburn then Sandwich would have Par 6s or 7s
Lots of elements to golf one of which is hitting the ball
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09/12/2020 21:36:33 3 0
bbc
Drivel
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09/12/2020 20:40:41 1 1
bbc
mixed sex tournaments may add some skill and tension and who knows excitement to the game. Build the audience, and move away from male exclusivity
94
09/12/2020 21:37:55 3 1
bbc
Mixed events are gimmicks, and are not what is required to help build the women’s game.
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09/12/2020 20:58:50 0 5
bbc
Just amazed that the ladies pay less than the men at my local course yet are a stain on the game I love when it comes to etiquette. The old farts grumble, the ladies cause grief because of self entitlement. You’re probably one of them who holds up a 4 ball playing as a 3 and marches back down the fairway when a drive rolls 20 yards behind them. It’s ALWAYS the ladies, ban them all.
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09/12/2020 21:59:42 2 0
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Billy, my handicap is 9.6 and a member of 2 private courses. But you keep throwing your insults if it helps to plug your confidence and golf skills gap.
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09/12/2020 21:24:12 0 5
bbc
Standards might improve in depth but women golf at the top hasn't
Where is the next Sorenstam or Ochoa
Based on what were laughably called Par 5s at Woburn then Sandwich would have Par 6s or 7s
Lots of elements to golf one of which is hitting the ball
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09/12/2020 22:02:38 1 0
bbc
Not for the first time you are well wife of the mark
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09/12/2020 22:02:54 1 0
bbc
need to move from male exclusivity
Inject more cash tv money, dont patronise the womens game
Mixed tournament may inject interest especially if women start to beat the men!
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09/12/2020 12:06:37 2 22
bbc
Never seen so much hogwash
Standard of women golf at the top is falling and has been doing so for years
A decade ago the top women could give the men over 50s a decent game
Nowadays they would be obliterated
By all means women can play sport and be well paid but it is time the BBC started telling the truth
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09/12/2020 22:05:09 0 0
bbc
Utter drivel
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09/12/2020 08:37:23 4 1
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Mixed events tend to be novelty or team-based. Individual events played off different tees just won’t work as people will feel that the differential in tees benefits one gender or the other in a particular week or setup.
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09/12/2020 22:36:55 0 0
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In which week would there be a benefit to the men playing off tees which can be hundreds of yards behind the ladies' ?