Brexit: PM to meet EU chief in bid to save trade deal
08/12/2020 | news | politics | 5,864
The UK and EU say "significant differences" still remain as the leaders prepare to talk face-to-face.
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07/12/2020 20:06:05 394 130
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I wonder how the "Love Europe, Hate EU" crowd, who're convinced the EU will break up, and cling to the idea that somehow the UK can bypass Brussels regulations to trade with individual EU nations, would feel if Europeans started saying they love the British Isles but hate the UK, and want to trade with Scotland or Northern Ireland, bypassing Whitehall's laws? The British press would have a fit.
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07/12/2020 20:07:53 347 134
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Yes, the EU wants to trade with the UK. That's why they persisted dealing with the May and Johnson governments, despite the former's ineptitude and the latter's bad faith. But it only goes so far. They'll keep talking up to, and after, the deadline. But they won't surrender their principles. Their businesses will survive without us. But tens of thousands of our's will go bust without EU access.
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07/12/2020 21:00:10 24 12
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Talking as a Scot, who’s had enough of the UK, I’d be delighted to deal directly with the EU. And the majority of Scots now feel the same way.
07/12/2020 22:02:09 1 7
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You forgot to mention Wales and England..... you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder!!??
me
07/12/2020 22:20:47 9 2
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EU please keep the candle burning. Scotland will be back
08/12/2020 00:11:34 3 1
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They'll be able to do as fellow members of the EU after indy in Scot, Wales and reunification of Ireland. England totally surrounded by the EU, isolated and reduced to the 3rd world status it currently deserves. Yes please. It might take a while and some financial pain but maybe less than Brexit and worth it to avoid the jingoists and racists. Even the Roman Empire fell eventually. Things change
08/12/2020 00:32:33 0 4
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Rather like the French are at present, because Germany, according to the French, want a deal 'at any cost'?
08/12/2020 00:41:20 0 0
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Many over here would welcome it - BTW -we are Britain - 'UK' is a man-made concept and I hate people using the terminology
08/12/2020 04:31:34 3 0
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By UK I think you are actually referring to England. Scotland and Northern Ireland are still part of the UK at least for now. The EU is also separate counties but they have more individual autonomy than the UK set up. They also use the fairer proportional rep vote so you do not get the minority of voters running the country because of vote splitting.
08/12/2020 08:03:20 0 0
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But Scotland and Northern Ireland are in the UK ,the British Isles also includes the Republic of Ireland geographically.
08/12/2020 08:57:51 0 3
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It is going to be No Deal. Which is for the best really. We have a large trade surplus with the USA, with which we have no trade deal. But a large trade deficit with the EU. So it looks like WTO terms are better for the UK!
08/12/2020 09:20:57 0 3
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True but it wont happen. Stop daydreaming and be more positive.
08/12/2020 09:52:20 0 1
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Clearly you don't have any idea how international trade, or even EU membership works.

If you had done some research you would have probably voted to Leave.
08/12/2020 11:53:51 1 0
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I'm not from the UK and did vote for a Nexit .. But it never ever came to my mind , that a hard Brexit would solve anything . We've been friendly states and supported the UK since WW2 as if the UK was the bigger brother in a bigger Europe . Now it's a blame game from the UK side , almost too dirty to be true .The UK wants unlimited access to EU and get rid of 400 year old EU fishing rights .
08/12/2020 14:11:40 0 0
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That's not what the EU wants, but that's what Scotland and NI (for the most of them who are Irish) want... and chances that it happens eventually are bigger with no deal.
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07/12/2020 20:06:48 569 250
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No deal here we come...... and then the carnage begins.

Hope the Brexit voters know what they’ve done.
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07/12/2020 20:08:11 242 348
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Yes and delighted to see it. If Boris sells out he and his party won’t exist after the next election
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07/12/2020 20:11:35 19 33
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Yes we do.
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07/12/2020 20:31:21 21 91
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Leaving was priority A. What happens after we just deal with. Leaving was a joyous, wonderful day to the majority.
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07/12/2020 20:36:17 9 33
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To right bring it on
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stu
07/12/2020 20:43:15 2 6
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You clearly don’t
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07/12/2020 20:57:25 6 5
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It is not the voters fault - they were lied to.
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07/12/2020 21:00:03 2 15
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YES, VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU...SIMPLES
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PJB
07/12/2020 21:17:29 14 4
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They ain't got clue. Tunnel vision little englanders think they still rule the waves
07/12/2020 21:43:11 3 13
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Bring it On. Do stop whining for once.
CFM
07/12/2020 22:03:25 4 2
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Why do you think the New Year fireworks have been cancelled? Because as soon as the clock strikes midnight on 1st Jan 2021 the UK in all the carnage will cease to exist according to some. You should order that nuclear bunker now!
07/12/2020 22:16:31 3 3
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They have no idea, they are too busy licking windows and waving Union Jacks.
07/12/2020 22:23:54 2 4
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Still bitter lol
07/12/2020 22:43:02 6 2
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Here's an idea: All those who voted for Brexit should pay the additional bills that will undoubtedly come the way of the rest of us.
MT
07/12/2020 23:12:07 3 6
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Yes they upheld democracy, which is so much more than can be said for those complaining. There was a referendum, then a General Election, but anti brexit camp seem to be anti democratic too.
07/12/2020 23:20:40 4 1
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But, We will now have total control over "our" fish, which makes up 0.01 % of our economy.
07/12/2020 23:29:10 2 2
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What if Johnson does get a deal, but on worse terms than May's? What then?
Will he stuff the fishing and farming industries to save HIS 'oven ready deal'?
07/12/2020 23:40:59 4 3
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The Brexit voters won't blame Brexit. It'll be anything other than that. They hark back to a bygone age of Colonialism and slavery where our tiny little island had ideas above its station an took whatever it wanted. Well, those days are long gone and we are about to realize how utterly insignificant we and our new Mr Churchill wanabee really are.
08/12/2020 00:17:22 1 3
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Grow up!
08/12/2020 00:39:45 1 2
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Absolutely - bring it on
08/12/2020 00:42:24 1 1
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They choose not to know and you expect far too much if you think they care, they're too busy believing the lies they were sold.
08/12/2020 01:12:04 0 4
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Don't worry. We know, exactly, what we have done.
We will regain our sovereignty.
Thank God for the Brexit voter.
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07/12/2020 20:07:23 8 14
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Oh and ANOTHER HYS on Brexit..... ????????
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07/12/2020 20:11:02 4 4
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I thought you right-wing nuts were all about freedom?
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07/12/2020 20:07:49 37 9
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Hopefully common economic sense will trump political dogma...at the very last minute of course.
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07/12/2020 20:11:16 40 57
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But this is the EU. EU and common sense do work together.
08/12/2020 01:45:08 1 0
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sense and trump should not be in the same sentence anymore.
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07/12/2020 20:06:05 394 130
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I wonder how the "Love Europe, Hate EU" crowd, who're convinced the EU will break up, and cling to the idea that somehow the UK can bypass Brussels regulations to trade with individual EU nations, would feel if Europeans started saying they love the British Isles but hate the UK, and want to trade with Scotland or Northern Ireland, bypassing Whitehall's laws? The British press would have a fit.
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07/12/2020 20:07:53 347 134
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Yes, the EU wants to trade with the UK. That's why they persisted dealing with the May and Johnson governments, despite the former's ineptitude and the latter's bad faith. But it only goes so far. They'll keep talking up to, and after, the deadline. But they won't surrender their principles. Their businesses will survive without us. But tens of thousands of our's will go bust without EU access.
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07/12/2020 20:10:15 22 37
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A shame Mrs Thatcher didn’t bring the EU down instead of virtually saving them...

Then Major came along and sold us out in 1992.
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07/12/2020 20:18:04 23 52
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If you truly believe all that you have written and you have many posts in the past on the BBC HYS you come across as a Remain Bigot.
We are an independent nation and the EU have to accept that fact.
I doubt a deal can be done because of the EU’s stated aim of humiliation and making an example of us and threatening others EU states who dare to leave.
Quite frankly we are well shot of them!
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07/12/2020 21:17:39 4 6
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And tens of thousands of EU buisssnes will just the same
07/12/2020 21:32:48 1 9
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One of their "principles" being unlimited access to UK waters for ten years! You must be joking.
07/12/2020 21:54:21 1 6
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What principles ?
07/12/2020 22:44:02 7 1
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Don't forget the SIGNIFICANT amount we get from taxation of the clearance fees charged by LSE members on the estimated ONE TRILLION (YES! TRILLION) Euros a day in 'Euro clearance' business, other EU members have tried to get this business but were prevented by ECJ rulings which said as the UK was an EU member state there was no reason to grant a change!

Another Brexit bonus Leavers will say!
07/12/2020 22:44:43 4 1
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Look at the demographics and economies. UK vs EU? Really?
MT
07/12/2020 23:14:43 2 9
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They don't just want to trade with the UK, they want to dictate our laws, and decide what fishing rights they have in OUR waters, one of the reasons we left, but they still want to usurp sovereignty.
08/12/2020 00:33:03 0 3
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Not read Euronews over the weekend then Uber? ;-)
Principles? Are you using Poland and Hungary as an example?
08/12/2020 04:32:25 3 0
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The Auto Industry will be toast.
08/12/2020 09:23:50 0 3
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Have more faith, we do not HAVE to deal with the EU, we can deal with the rest of the world! If they won't give up their Principles then why should we give up ours? It will not happen!
08/12/2020 09:58:42 0 0
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"But tens of thousands of our's will go bust without EU access."

I think that is unfair ubercurmudgeon, the majority will simply move into the EU, admittedly this means the EU will get their taxes and their employment rather than the UK but it belittles the entrepreneurs who won't just stand by and watch their businesses fail.

It will simply increase the gap between the rich and poor.
08/12/2020 14:20:46 0 0
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That's true, and as a EU citizen, I can say that even if we were quite sad in 2016, most people now think it's over, no deal is better than a bad deal and the EU will survive and still go strong.
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07/12/2020 20:07:54 116 39
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No deal will be done until the last possible minute as each side tries to get the best possible deal for their respective citizens. But make no mistake a deal will be done as we all know we both need it, especially if our ecomies want recover from Covid.
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07/12/2020 20:14:14 171 33
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You have more faith in Boris than I do!
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07/12/2020 20:27:26 11 6
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But our economy won't recover. Seriously wondering what Planet you are on? :)
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07/12/2020 20:30:31 5 2
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Well, I agree it will be done at the last minute. It would be very strange to continue negotiationing after a deal has been agreed.
07/12/2020 22:52:09 3 4
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Both? Are you sure 450 million europeans need 60 million britons on their side? Really?
07/12/2020 23:15:03 3 4
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Whatever happens it will not be good for the UK, soon to become rUk / EW
08/12/2020 09:03:06 0 0
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Let us not hide 'berxit' behind covid.
08/12/2020 09:21:12 0 0
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Look !!!
Flying pigs !!!
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07/12/2020 20:07:58 20 37
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Don’t waste your time Boris

Leave with NO DEAL. !!
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07/12/2020 20:10:27 0 4
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No he got to go, just so he walk out on her.
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07/12/2020 20:14:48 3 2
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Does Boris do anything other than waste time ? A lot of bluff and bluster, but no substance.
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07/12/2020 20:06:48 569 250
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No deal here we come...... and then the carnage begins.

Hope the Brexit voters know what they’ve done.
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07/12/2020 20:08:11 242 348
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Yes and delighted to see it. If Boris sells out he and his party won’t exist after the next election
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07/12/2020 20:12:56 44 13
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And if he doesn't sell out he and his party won’t exist after the next election
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ds
07/12/2020 20:27:20 53 9
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And if he fails to compromise then the country will fail. And there are people who actually support Johnson and his desire to enrich his mates at the expense of the rest of us.
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07/12/2020 20:28:25 36 6
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He'll be gone long before then but the Tories won't.
Trouble is for them they're now the party of big government, astronomic borrowing and pledging to invest in green industries.
All the above were Labours platform in 2010,2015,2017 and 2019.
Why would anyone vote for them in2024?
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07/12/2020 20:47:17 6 4
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Well let’s hope he does then. And it’s bye-bye Tories ??
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07/12/2020 20:51:13 1 7
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Does the H in your surname stand for Head Dicky?
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07/12/2020 20:59:44 0 7
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YOU HOPE. MR DEEP INSIGHT
07/12/2020 21:50:05 6 1
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Delighted to see carnage? You couldn't make it up.!
07/12/2020 22:00:15 5 1
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When did the brexiteer position shift from ‘i voted to be part of a trading bloc, not a supranational political entity’ (perfectly reasonable position) to ‘no trade deal at all costs’?
07/12/2020 22:41:48 7 3
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You have no clue, or are intoxicated, or both. You will see that on january 1st. And you will be very, very upset by december 31, 2021. By midsummer, you will have realized what a gross mistake this was, but then it will be too late.
07/12/2020 23:13:46 0 2
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If they do a deal they will gain more votes than they lose.

The other thing that could wipe them out is the economic disaster of no deal.
08/12/2020 01:08:21 1 0
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So to be clear, you voted Leave to ensure the Labour Party has no Opposition in 2024?
Bizarre
#ScorchedEarthBoomers
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07/12/2020 20:08:16 7 9
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it'll be BRINO and the Conservatives will be voted out (love, Europe: hate the EU).
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07/12/2020 20:08:48 13 34
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Go Boris, stick it to em, this is what you're good at.
johnson is only good at sticking it up and making illegitimate children Removed
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07/12/2020 20:11:12 0 2
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So there is something?! I just thought it was bearing illegitimate children?
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07/12/2020 20:13:25 4 2
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How deluded. BloJo’s no good at ANYTHING.
08/12/2020 09:05:21 0 0
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No. It's what he's utter rubbish at! Chances are it'll be a fake deal, with the UK yet again just giving in to EU demands, simply so the Sh... er City of London [ah, Brian Perkins - what a broadcaster] can keep its snout in the trough.
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07/12/2020 20:09:38 16 7
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Give it up, Boris. You and Ursula are wasting our time, time that business needs to prepare.
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07/12/2020 20:47:15 8 1
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Prepare for what ? Rules that haven’t been declared or agreed ?
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07/12/2020 20:09:51 14 9
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Another deadline, another day.

This saga will outlive everyone.

If there is no deal on Wednesday the talks will continue.

If there is a deal on Wednesday the talks will continue.

The Tories are trapped and there is no escape.
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07/12/2020 20:09:55 17 20
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Why are the EU about to recognise a sovereign nation? In which case then we will control our costal territories, laws and decide our own competition rules and state aid.
I suggest trade disputes in the UK are dealt with by our courts and those in the EU by theirs.
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tim
07/12/2020 20:16:26 14 5
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Decide our own competition laws decide disputes within our own courts. Classic.

You are delusional if you think any country in the world can do those things and have multinational trade deals.
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07/12/2020 20:25:53 3 1
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You don't seem to understand. The whole point of trade deals is that they are BETWEEN nations or blocks. Therefore it is obvious that disputes cannot be resolved entirely by one side or the other. In this case, the stronger side calls the shots.
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07/12/2020 20:10:13 260 85
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Boris may want a deal but his paymasters in the shadowy background are and have been actively working against it since they were elected.

Oven ready indeed .
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07/12/2020 20:27:17 86 48
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Which paymasters specifically?
07/12/2020 21:45:00 1 11
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Enjoy the future. It’s about to get brighter.
07/12/2020 21:45:41 18 3
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It's interesting to think about who the main groups in favour of Brexit were. As I see it, it was a small group of extremely rich people (Rees-Mogg, Banks, Ratcliff, et al) and a large group of people of modest education and wealth (that's not pejorative, by the way).

I think this is how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Crispin Odey for one, he's been actively betting on the UK crashing.
And he's a sex offender, too.
Has to be a mate of Boris's
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08/12/2020 01:20:37 1 0
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Like a turkey.
Over-ready!!
hahahaha
08/12/2020 08:47:10 0 0
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Oven ready was last December.
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07/12/2020 20:10:15 446 188
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Can someone please tell the EU that Johnson doesn't want a deal so they may as well stop wasting their time with the clown.
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07/12/2020 20:27:13 479 124
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Boris will get a trash deal, he knows no deal is political and economic suicide.

He'll claim it's the best deal ever, like he did before the election with his 'oven ready' deal that broke up the UK by implementing a trade border between N. Ireland and GB (that he now wants to break international law to get out of it).

I look forward to the day when Boris and his chums are kicked out of office.
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07/12/2020 20:27:26 3 11
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Ok Coco .. no probs
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07/12/2020 20:27:30 17 5
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Boris will get a trash deal, he knows no deal is political and economic suicide.

He'll claim it's the best deal ever, like he did before the election with his 'oven ready' deal that broke up the UK by implementing a trade border between N. Ireland and GB (that he now wants to break international law to get out of it).

I look forward to the day when Boris and his chums are kicked out of office
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07/12/2020 20:31:27 9 30
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Or rather tell the EU to stop wasting our time more like!!!
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07/12/2020 20:24:50 4 28
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So you would rather throw insults than see the Uk thrive? Hmmmm ok
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07/12/2020 20:43:31 10 4
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The EU don’t want a deal either, certainly not on our terms.
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07/12/2020 20:27:18 22 2
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I think they know that. But he was the one who started in the summer trying to lay the blame for the lack of a deal on the EU being 'unreasonable'. They are not going to walk away from the table and allow him to make that charge. I am sure they are planning to sit at the negotiating table until midnight on 31st to make sure he is the one that walks away.
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07/12/2020 20:51:28 11 3
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Don’t think Barmier is a clown
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07/12/2020 21:00:38 14 3
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My uncle was a clown - stop trashing him by comparing him to Boris.
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07/12/2020 21:04:36 1 1
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Hope you are right
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07/12/2020 21:05:44 2 2
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It's in the oven,,
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07/12/2020 21:06:41 2 4
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You clearly have no idea of what is going on here.
07/12/2020 21:12:58 8 3
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I am not certain about whether Johnson wants a deal or not. However, I am certain that he is a clown as you say.
07/12/2020 21:42:37 2 3
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Even Boris is not stupid enough to wish for a no deal.
07/12/2020 21:52:14 5 5
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Complete rubbish . I would believe that of Theresa .....correction . She would have agreed a deal by now . .....the one that the EU wanted .
07/12/2020 22:36:10 3 2
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Take that back, you are giving Clowns a bad name!
07/12/2020 22:36:29 1 6
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I think you will find it is the EU (or more specifically France) that does not want a deal. The UK has made a concession, but from the EU... nothing. Yet.
07/12/2020 22:57:14 2 2
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I think they know. They just pretend to continue as to not be blamed for the failure. They are ready for no deal. We're not even close.
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07/12/2020 23:13:49 1 5
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If only you were understanding its the EU blocking a deal. It refuses to acknowledge UK sovereignty which is why we left the EU. It still seeks to tell the UK what to do with UK fishing rights, and tell us what laws and rules we have to abide in our own country. Its about time some of you anti brexiteers realise the autocratic EU is the biggest risk, and other countries are recognising it.
08/12/2020 00:26:24 1 2
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He might want the German deal, though the French clearly don't it the weekend's hissy fit is anything to go by, maybe the BBC journalists have weekends off, they certainly don't seem to have picked up on what went on in Europe on Friday and over the weekend.
08/12/2020 01:13:36 0 2
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Play the ball.
Not the man.
It just shows that you have no argument.
08/12/2020 07:18:56 0 0
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Eu will be delighted fir uk to peeeeiff
08/12/2020 07:49:03 0 1
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How do you know he doesn’t want a deal are you a mind reader then ??
08/12/2020 08:34:52 0 2
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Err I think you will find that the feeling in the EU camp is mutual. If they were serious then perhaps they would have negotiated in good faith which they have patently not done.
08/12/2020 08:44:04 0 0
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He obviously does which is why he continues to talk. It is a pity others are not so keen.
08/12/2020 08:57:38 0 2
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It is going to be No Deal. Which is for the best really. We have a large trade surplus with the USA, with which we have no trade deal. But a large trade deficit with the EU. So it looks like WTO terms are better for the UK!
08/12/2020 09:24:02 0 0
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Boris knows that if he doesn't get a deal he will wreck the country.
08/12/2020 09:41:35 1 0
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But he needs a deal now cos his crazy racist uncle has gone and biden's team have already called him out for his racism towards Obama in support of Trump......you couldn't make it up
08/12/2020 09:56:41 2 0
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Unfortunately the EU are repaying Johnson and his cultists for their arrogance and stupidity.
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07/12/2020 20:07:53 347 134
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Yes, the EU wants to trade with the UK. That's why they persisted dealing with the May and Johnson governments, despite the former's ineptitude and the latter's bad faith. But it only goes so far. They'll keep talking up to, and after, the deadline. But they won't surrender their principles. Their businesses will survive without us. But tens of thousands of our's will go bust without EU access.
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07/12/2020 20:10:15 22 37
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A shame Mrs Thatcher didn’t bring the EU down instead of virtually saving them...

Then Major came along and sold us out in 1992.
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07/12/2020 20:21:27 35 10
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Yes Maggie helped create the single market which both UK and EU have prospered from. Boris wants to break it up and that wouldn't happen nor should it. If the Brexiteers want to leave the club and we now have they can't expect to use the club's facilities for nothing. Regarding fishing, the UK fishing ship owners SOLD their quotas largely to the French.
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07/12/2020 20:31:33 32 3
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Despite all the criticism levelled at her, even she knew it would be insane to rip up a relationship with our closest trading partners and largest export market. Plus I suspect she would never have considered appointing clowns like Williamson and Patel to her cabinet.
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07/12/2020 20:10:22 35 35
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Japan got a free trade deal.
Canada got a free trade deal.
No political union or freedom of movement included.

Why can't the EU give Britain the same, because if Britain can trade as freely outside of the EU as we did in it then what would be the point of the EU.
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07/12/2020 20:13:07 30 19
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Japan isnt 30 miles away
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07/12/2020 20:16:32 11 1
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They can, but it'll take at least 7 years, as it did with Canada...
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07/12/2020 20:17:36 11 1
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Getting a free trade deal is easy, getting one the size we need isn't
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07/12/2020 20:21:18 5 23
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The EU still has not accepted that we are an independent country. They still think they rule us.
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07/12/2020 20:25:26 11 1
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We are not being asked to provide political union or freedom of movement either. For the record neither Canada nor Japan have a deal that means all goods are free of tarifs. Neither are anything like as broad in scope as the one we are asking for
07/12/2020 23:01:43 0 1
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Because the whole point is to ensure the UK isn’t better off outside of the EU! Think of it from their point of view - do they want to encourage out her members to leave too?
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07/12/2020 20:07:58 20 37
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Don’t waste your time Boris

Leave with NO DEAL. !!
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07/12/2020 20:10:27 0 4
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No he got to go, just so he walk out on her.
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07/12/2020 20:10:48 11 13
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Yaaaaaawn. Stop with this BS "news" until we either have a deal or not.
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07/12/2020 20:08:48 13 34
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Go Boris, stick it to em, this is what you're good at.
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johnson is only good at sticking it up and making illegitimate children Removed
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07/12/2020 20:11:02 12 8
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Bless and there was Boris the darling of the DUP conference basking in the acolades and 10 min after back in the UK he shafts them with the border down the Irish Sea a proposition initiated by his predecessor T May also the darling of the DUP. No wonder we question Irish intellect when hte same party is shafted twice by two TORY PM,s yet they claim such loyalty Boris will concede and god help UK
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07/12/2020 20:08:48 13 34
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Go Boris, stick it to em, this is what you're good at.
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07/12/2020 20:11:12 0 2
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So there is something?! I just thought it was bearing illegitimate children?
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07/12/2020 20:11:14 21 13
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Boris' Bullingdon Brino to the rescue, bless.....

Brexit, the gift that keeps taking...
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07/12/2020 20:07:49 37 9
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Hopefully common economic sense will trump political dogma...at the very last minute of course.
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07/12/2020 20:11:16 40 57
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But this is the EU. EU and common sense do work together.
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07/12/2020 20:35:28 2 1
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I think you mean don't go to together.
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07/12/2020 20:11:18 19 32
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Just call it a day! Slap reciprocal tariffs on EU goods. Revoke the Withdrawal Agreement on the grounds that the EU did not negotiate in good faith and above all punish the Irish by crippling their exports of beef and butter to the UK. The EU will be back with a deal within 3 months. Best of all, no third rate food imports from the USA. Suck on that Irish Joe Biden!
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07/12/2020 20:13:24 10 5
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And after your 1 minute of ecstasy you realise you still have to trade with these countries and also need keep on favourable terms to get things done. Hmmm.
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07/12/2020 20:19:27 5 1
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Are you typing this from a secure psychiatric ward or have you escaped to an Internet Cafe?
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07/12/2020 20:19:50 3 1
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Just curious about why you want to 'punish the Irish'...Is it just anti-Irish bigotry (or have I missed something?)
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07/12/2020 20:23:26 5 1
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Get over it Trump lost. Lol.
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07/12/2020 20:28:55 0 1
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Joe Bidet?
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07/12/2020 20:22:41 7 1
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Wow. Have you learnt nothing about the way these negotiations have unfolded - exactly as Remainers predicted and nothing like the ERG promised.
08/12/2020 09:08:42 0 0
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You can always refuse Irish beef (which our local butcher has no time for - pellet-fed, he tells me, not pasture-reared) and Guiness is the best of a bad lot, anyway.
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07/12/2020 20:06:48 569 250
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No deal here we come...... and then the carnage begins.

Hope the Brexit voters know what they’ve done.
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07/12/2020 20:11:35 19 33
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Yes we do.
07/12/2020 22:52:08 3 2
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Mores the pity then. Ignorance is forgivable negligence isnt
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07/12/2020 20:11:36 3 6
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Stupid boy !!!
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07/12/2020 20:20:38 0 2
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Private Poke
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07/12/2020 20:11:53 22 22
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Its the French that is holding up everything as their fishermen want to fish in UK waters and won't accept anything different. They are very vocal and politically active and a pain in the french Governments side if they don't get what they want.
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07/12/2020 20:15:41 19 2
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Some might say they are behaving like an independent sovereign coastal nation state - someone should remind them they are in the EU and not supposed to be able to do sort of thing!
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07/12/2020 20:15:58 1 4
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They can fish in UK waters if they apply to do so, unfortunately like so many EU arrangements they don't like having to fill in forms because it holds them to account and reveals their true intent...
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Jon
07/12/2020 20:18:32 6 1
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you mean the french want to fish in the waters the british fishermen sold the rights to....OOO those nasty french - expecting the UK to honour a deal.
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07/12/2020 20:18:48 6 1
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You do know that fishing only accounts for 0.1% of trade between UK and EU - and most of the fish caught by good old British fishermen is sold to the EU anyway!
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07/12/2020 20:20:05 0 1
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Its governance of the deal (they want the ECJ) and insisting on a level playing field (ie follow EU rules) that are the real stumbling blocks. Fishing is small and solvable.
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07/12/2020 20:51:35 0 1
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Fishing rights and quotas are constructs ie. invented by the EU, and should now be worthless for UK territorial waters because the UK is no longer in the EU.
Apparently we can't have EU cake and eat it, so why should the French have our fish and eat it.
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07/12/2020 20:12:14 162 47
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So BJ's bluff has been called - now what?
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07/12/2020 20:14:55 139 27
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Trouble for the uk thats all
07/12/2020 23:57:02 3 5
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Apparently he's been dead-set on a no-deal since the start, so there was never a bluff. Or maybe you don't know what you're talking about?
08/12/2020 06:55:08 0 3
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One could argue the EU bluff has been called,our sovereignty is not and never will be up for negotiation or our fishing grounds,sooner the EU accept that a deal can be done.Just an anti Boris post from someone who thought Commie Corbyn would have done better,NO he would have sold us down the river and rejoined the Disgusting EU dictatorship.NO thanks cant stand socialists never saw Stalin in queue
08/12/2020 07:57:05 1 1
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Take the punishment and get on with life
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07/12/2020 20:12:45 189 50
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Won election on "Get Brexit Done" and "Oven Ready Deal" pure BSh it from our lying PM.
07/12/2020 22:10:28 98 19
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From a 1:1,000,000 chance of no deal to a last ditch "attempt" to save us from no deal - all in the space of a year.

It's almost as if he had no intention of achieving a deal - which isn't surprising given the expectations of his Tory donors and colleagues who will have been planning for profiting from market disruption for years.

Rees-Mogg Snr. literally wrote the book on Disaster Capitalism...
08/12/2020 00:40:45 3 9
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The "Oven Ready Deal" was Brexit which happened in January. The current talks are for a new trade agreement to replace the current temporary one.
08/12/2020 01:26:57 0 8
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Yes, he lies.
But the fundamentals are still there.
Roll-on Sovereignty!!!
Oven ready was the Withdrawal Agreement. Not the trade deal. Keep up.
08/12/2020 08:48:44 1 3
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Oven ready done last December, all delivered as promised.
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07/12/2020 20:12:46 17 23
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The EU were never going to take losing their second biggest contributor to their pension fund, lightly. So there is no surprise here, if rational was included, yes we could of had an oven ready deal, but we are dealing with the partner of the abused victim in a marriage here.
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07/12/2020 20:14:05 12 2
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could of ?
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07/12/2020 20:25:08 2 1
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in English it's 'could have' not could of - and we say 'foreigners' can't speak English - at least they have an excuse.
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07/12/2020 20:20:56 3 1
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So if someone doesn't give you what you want it must be because they're not being rational? The EU's stated position since the beginning of this sorry mess strikes me as entirely rational for their interests. They have not moved from that position nor should they, no matter how aggressive we are and how many international treaties we break.
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07/12/2020 20:08:11 242 348
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Yes and delighted to see it. If Boris sells out he and his party won’t exist after the next election
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07/12/2020 20:12:56 44 13
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And if he doesn't sell out he and his party won’t exist after the next election
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07/12/2020 20:33:57 17 63
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Wrong Boris will do fine. Twice the EU will have miscalculated.

First they tossed Cameron a meatless bone and it led to a referendum and a Leave Vote.

Second they wanted to protect the single market from a competitor in their backyard but in failing to come to a deal they will unleash a Lion free to go full "Singapore".
08/12/2020 00:12:00 0 4
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LOL so only Reform or the Brexit party left then, as the IllibDems and Labour got stuffed last time. The Tories, last of the LibLabCons - whooopeee!
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07/12/2020 20:13:05 16 12
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Maintaining that leaving with a deal is BRINO just goes to show how utterly delusional some brexiteers are
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07/12/2020 20:10:22 35 35
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Japan got a free trade deal.
Canada got a free trade deal.
No political union or freedom of movement included.

Why can't the EU give Britain the same, because if Britain can trade as freely outside of the EU as we did in it then what would be the point of the EU.
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07/12/2020 20:13:07 30 19
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Japan isnt 30 miles away
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07/12/2020 20:24:05 2 7
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And your point is??
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07/12/2020 20:26:05 3 3
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Schnitzengruben was not very good at geography in class.
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07/12/2020 20:32:42 1 5
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so is this about trade or geography?
What has 30 miles away got to do with it, and by the way it's 21 miles.
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AJ
07/12/2020 20:13:15 11 4
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We have seen this all before . Will go down to the wire , then past and then at the last possible minute , as we are both heading off the cliff , a deal will be done.

Really , not great for business though . How does business prepare for this ?!
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07/12/2020 20:13:17 19 16
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We'll be back with our European friends in a few years, perhaps we need this to see off petty nationalism once and for all.
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07/12/2020 20:19:12 0 1
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Your comment applies to France more than the UK. Is that what you meant? Stop the most brazenly nationalistic nation in Europe (France) from dominating the political direction of European affairs? If so, I think it is time to do so. Good on you!
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07/12/2020 20:19:54 0 1
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If you want to see nationalism, you should look east in the EU membership.
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07/12/2020 20:11:18 19 32
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Just call it a day! Slap reciprocal tariffs on EU goods. Revoke the Withdrawal Agreement on the grounds that the EU did not negotiate in good faith and above all punish the Irish by crippling their exports of beef and butter to the UK. The EU will be back with a deal within 3 months. Best of all, no third rate food imports from the USA. Suck on that Irish Joe Biden!
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07/12/2020 20:13:24 10 5
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And after your 1 minute of ecstasy you realise you still have to trade with these countries and also need keep on favourable terms to get things done. Hmmm.
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07/12/2020 20:08:48 13 34
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Go Boris, stick it to em, this is what you're good at.
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07/12/2020 20:13:25 4 2
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How deluded. BloJo’s no good at ANYTHING.
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07/12/2020 20:15:31 6 1
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Wrong! johnson is the world's best liar.
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There are Brexiteers who held signs saying I love WTO - well we see how sensible they were soon when there are loads of UK companies going bust competing with companies across the globe who empoy children and trash the planet making goods with dnageorus chemicals that might blow up - that will teach those Europeans eh with their rules (that we helped develop)? Brexiteers = idiots! Removed
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07/12/2020 20:25:38 14 35
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That’s why you should only buy British!

Or you could try EU quality assured Polish horsemeat?
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07/12/2020 20:32:28 10 2
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I have to say I can’t get my head around this sudden love of the WTO from some quarters. If WTO terms are so great, why do countries across the globe spend years and years negotiating FTAs? What are these people thinking?
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07/12/2020 20:40:38 0 8
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They already compete with those firms in the far east if you think the EU protects us from that you are an idiot.
07/12/2020 22:06:30 0 1
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Your point? We competed with all these companies while members of the EU as the EU also trades with them on WTO rules.

And if goods don’t meet our standards we don’t have to import them within or without the EU.
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07/12/2020 20:13:45 11 6
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Ursula there's a Boris Johnson on the phone. Will you accept a reverse charge call ?

I thought we had him barred him as a nuisance caller.
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Rob
07/12/2020 20:13:45 22 33
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For God's sake Boris call a halt to this nonsense of supposed negotiations. The EU does not want a deal that respects us. Don't give in to them.

Don't drag this out until Wednesday terminate it NOW - you have let several deadlines slip with no sign of progress; time to tell them NO, no more

Anyway they are out of time to get through the mass of EU beaurcracy , let alone the seeming French veto
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07/12/2020 20:30:50 3 1
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Respect? Why would the europeans respect BoJo and his Brexiteers - they lie, bad mouth EU, break agreements - what are you on?
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07/12/2020 20:32:03 1 1
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But it's Johnson who's acting in bad faith and not bothering to negotiate. It's no good telling the EU to behave: they are. The behaviour of the UK government is despicable.
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07/12/2020 20:36:45 1 1
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"let alone the seeming French veto".....

The ultimate irony being that until very, very recently, the UK had a veto over EU policymaking too! Amazing, innit? Totally lost on the rag-waving knuckle-draggers though.
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07/12/2020 20:09:58 22 14
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Everything that buffoon touches this year catches fire. Terrible PM
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07/12/2020 20:21:25 2 2
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Not quite that good!
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07/12/2020 20:13:51 12 9
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A deal will be struck.They are 98% there from what I’ve heard.

Failure to strike a deal would be the single biggest failure of a British Government in modern times and would cause untold suffering across a nation already on its feet.
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07/12/2020 20:20:51 4 1
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On it's feet? Or it's a*se?
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07/12/2020 20:12:46 17 23
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The EU were never going to take losing their second biggest contributor to their pension fund, lightly. So there is no surprise here, if rational was included, yes we could of had an oven ready deal, but we are dealing with the partner of the abused victim in a marriage here.
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07/12/2020 20:14:05 12 2
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could of ?
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07/12/2020 20:07:54 116 39
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No deal will be done until the last possible minute as each side tries to get the best possible deal for their respective citizens. But make no mistake a deal will be done as we all know we both need it, especially if our ecomies want recover from Covid.
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07/12/2020 20:14:14 171 33
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You have more faith in Boris than I do!
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07/12/2020 20:27:20 19 3
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Boris Faith, that's another oxymoron surely - no just a moron
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07/12/2020 20:47:53 8 2
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I don't have faith in Boris but in the vanity of politicians from all sides. They will all want to claim the "hard fought" victory of a deal.
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07/12/2020 21:07:39 3 2
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We can but hope... I still cling onto the forlorn belief that it clever enough to understand the implications of what he is doing, while fearing he has dug a ditch too deep to recross...
08/12/2020 00:24:06 5 1
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Before Covid began, Greece already owed the EU 330 BILLION Euro's Just how do you think that will ever be paid back ? It's a house of cards
08/12/2020 02:02:57 6 1
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The French will scupper any deal, according to the news (not BBC of course) from Europe over the weekend. They have suddenly realised Germany wants a deal, according to them 'at any cost' hence the French hissy fit over the weekend, Macron needs a fishing deal for any chance in the next election. Germany needs a car market in case the US takes up the WTO offer to slap 25% tariff on EU cars.
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07/12/2020 20:14:18 1033 297
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I voted Remain. But what's done is done.

Remainers have a responsibility to acknowledge that saving a long-term concept (democracy) is more important than a short-term concept (the EU)

Leavers have a responsibility to acknowledge that nearly half the country voted the other way and grant what we were promised in 2016 (a good deal)

Both sides have responsibility to treat each other with respect
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Hex
07/12/2020 20:18:29 630 46
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That's a very sensible pragmatic approach, you sure you're in the right place?!
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07/12/2020 20:19:40 65 27
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About time someone spoke so sense.
The biggest damage done is the harm between fellow human beings.
We as a species can overcome anything if we worked together I stress of trying to blame each other
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07/12/2020 20:21:38 176 95
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It’s essential to recognise that ‘democracy’ is only such when underpinned by truth and the rule of law - both notable by their absence during Leave’s illicit campaign ergo not democratic.
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07/12/2020 20:22:13 137 92
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In the last election only 44 per cent of the people voted for a party that wanted to leave the EU.

56 per cent voted otherwise.

So much for democracy!
No way....
Brexiteer won
The rest can emigrate...
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07/12/2020 20:23:15 78 196
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Very true. The remainers under May shouldn't have wasted 2 years trying to overturn Brexit. We could have got this done before Covid and with a friendly US president still in place.
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07/12/2020 20:25:21 50 92
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Very magnanimous.

I have no intention of heeding your words.
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07/12/2020 20:26:55 38 12
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I always said that when the vote was announced, because of the closeness of the result, it wasn't a case of leavers won and remainers lost, it was a case of leavers won and remainers didn't win
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07/12/2020 20:26:58 50 13
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Wise words. Trouble is what nearly half of the country think a good deal is, is the on3 we had as a member of the EU. The majority have very mixed views of what a good deal looks like outside of the EU.
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07/12/2020 20:27:00 16 8
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I agree entirely but, unfortunately, there has been no sign of that approach on any Brexit HYS to date.
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07/12/2020 20:27:39 36 9
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That doesn’t mean that people should shut up and move on. people have a right To feel indignant in where we find ourselves. Whilst the result is what it is, the whole process has been littered with misinformation, mismanagement and it all affects lives.
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07/12/2020 20:27:52 17 48
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In what world were we promised a deal? We were promised to have judicial and economic independence and being subject to EU rules is not independence. I hope we have a no deal Brexit.
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07/12/2020 20:29:49 32 39
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A good deal requires people on the other side to be reasonable & pragmatic.....and they are not. They are Federalist idealist politicians. The EU and the UK are polar opposites in so many ways. I feel genuinely sorry for the citizens of Europe who have been brainwashed into accepting what the EU has become. It has become an embarrassment of political ineptness and idealism of the worst kind.
Correct. Democracy is long term. Ongoing. It is not something that ends with one vote.
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07/12/2020 20:30:35 16 15
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A thoughtful post.
I'd ask though: what if the price of preserving democracy is a bad deal?
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07/12/2020 20:32:03 47 29
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Absolute nonsense. To claim an advisory referendum in which the winning side demonstrably lied to voters, used illegal foreign funding and illegal targeted propaganda and data harvesting, and have delivered on hardly any of their promises while breaking both electoral and int'l to do so is "democracy", just because it was in the Tory manifesto, is complete and utter bunkum.
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07/12/2020 20:34:47 15 15
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Shouldn't Your Handle be Impersonater as there is No way you voted Remain based on that Post
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07/12/2020 20:35:22 16 12
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That's great provided 'demographic' decisions are based on an adequate level of real knowledge, and honesty. The very marginal decision on Brexit (<2%) was based on neither and, in particular, voters were seriously misled with blatant lies from Brexit zealots (which have been found out in the interim). This was FAR more important than any single GE since the effects are permanent.
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07/12/2020 20:39:58 16 8
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Rubbish! In the modern world it is the large trading blocs which have the economic power. The UK, or what will become of it (the United Counties of England) won't stand a chance against the new per economies of the world. At best it will be a vassal state of the US.
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07/12/2020 20:40:39 9 8
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The problem is that we live in a fast changing world and the populist concepts of 2015/16 are already out dated (Trump being the most obvious). So as a Remainer like you I will accept the result. However I will also expect Brexit lovers to accept the result to rejoin in the 2025 - 30 time period. Can’t wait to see Farage blow a gasket when that happens.
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07/12/2020 20:40:45 9 3
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Sorry, I don't believe you.
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VF
07/12/2020 20:41:30 6 7
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Most sensible answer ever.
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07/12/2020 20:41:51 5 11
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We were also told no deal is better than a bad deal . We need to be prepared to pay the short-term cost to gain the long term benefit.
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07/12/2020 20:41:57 4 6
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How far is that fence up your ...?
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07/12/2020 20:42:57 9 8
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I agree and too late to moan, however I would like the lies to be recognised, an apology and a change in the law; when an MP knowingly misled public regarding referendums the MP should be removed from office and not allowed to be in the civil service. Time to re-set some standards and regain trust in the public.
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07/12/2020 20:43:20 5 10
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Nobody promised a good deal or it would have been on the ballot paper.
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07/12/2020 20:43:49 7 16
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Leavers are under no obligation to support any deal. Nobody but Theresa May set the UK on course for a deal. What you describe sounds a lot like Leavers needing to compromise on what they successfully campaigned for i.e. leaving the EU. All this while, you guys obfuscated the process and trashed the place, so to speak, throwing any spanner to hand into the works. Remainers need to now be quiet.
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07/12/2020 20:46:51 6 8
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You say you voted remain, but what is your evidence of that? And actually 3/4 of the country didn't vote Leave
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07/12/2020 20:47:17 7 9
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It was almost pragmatic until you stated that leavers have an obligation to provide a good deal. We have an obligation to seek one to the best of our ability, but if the EU stonewalls or throws unreasonable demands at us, such as unfettered access to our fishing waters or control over aspects of our borders then there's no good deal to be had, they just want the stuff they lost back.
542
07/12/2020 20:47:49 12 6
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Democracy doesn't always work the way it's supposed to when people are manipulated and lied to. Hitler came to power through democracy too.
545
07/12/2020 20:48:06 7 8
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What utter nonsense.
We are a representative democracy....referendums aren't democratic, they're no better than a poll and just reflect a moment in time.....I would suggest you do some reading if you don't get it
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07/12/2020 20:49:05 7 6
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No one voted for this potential outcome.
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07/12/2020 20:53:34 5 11
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The sentiment is more accurate than the fact. 13.7 million people (37%) voted to leave the EU in 2016 - 29 millions (63%) chose not to do so.
The demographic profile of leave voters show that a significant number were over 65 years old and, in the 54 months that have elapsed, since 3.5 million people have sadly passed away and been replaced by a similar number of younger, more enlightened voters
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07/12/2020 20:14:28 30 10
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Worst Oven Ever.
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07/12/2020 20:22:25 20 2
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Pretty good fridge though
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07/12/2020 20:39:26 2 2
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If you can't even acknowledge the oven ready deal was the withdrawal agreement which we ratified there isn't much hope for you.

The FTA was always going to be far harder.
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07/12/2020 20:14:31 184 39
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He'll come back waving a piece of paper 'deal in our time'.
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07/12/2020 20:21:32 74 84
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Which when taken in its historical context was a remarkable piece of statesmanship that bought another year of relative peace to enable UK to prepare for war.

Chamberlain sacrificed his career and reputation for his country waving that bit of paper.

A brave man...
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07/12/2020 21:15:10 10 1
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Chamberlain didnt last long if I am correct...
08/12/2020 01:24:55 2 0
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At least he hasn't done a Mrs May - trying to sell our country up the river.
08/12/2020 07:58:55 0 0
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Liz Truss will wave some cling film and declare 'cheese in our time'.
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07/12/2020 20:14:39 10 4
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I hope Johnson isn't just delaying things so he can go to Brussels for the theatre of it all. But I would put nothing past him.
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07/12/2020 20:18:08 0 1
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And another two week isolation with the boss when he gets back...
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07/12/2020 20:14:42 3 9
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Boris Macrons poodle head off to Brussel to clean Macrons back side and have is Tummy tickled .
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07/12/2020 20:07:58 20 37
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Don’t waste your time Boris

Leave with NO DEAL. !!
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07/12/2020 20:14:48 3 2
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Does Boris do anything other than waste time ? A lot of bluff and bluster, but no substance.
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07/12/2020 20:14:54 652 230
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Boris's lies are finally coming home to roost - he burned his goodwill in the EU, he knows the island that can't feed itself & is dependent on the free market can't afford a No Deal and he can't deliver the deal we need without unacceptable concessions.
It'd be funny if it wasn't our future on the line.
What utter drivel you spout. Seriously suggesting this island couldnt feed itself. Whatever side of the fence you're on, saying that kind of nonsense just makes lockdown look like a godsend round your house. Removed
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07/12/2020 20:31:28 22 97
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Have you seen the wonky veg that gets thrown away each and every day because it will not look "nice" on a supermarket shelf? Cannot feed itself.... Give your head a wobble... Whatever next...
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07/12/2020 20:40:03 21 2
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We do export a lot of food products from the UK, and we could all start eating more Herring, and all that other Fish that we won't be able to send to the EU, when we get no deal.
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07/12/2020 20:45:36 3 28
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Buy British produce. No need to import Dutch tomatoes and strawberries or French cheese and wine as we make as good or better.
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07/12/2020 20:45:50 1 1
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Hope you like fish and lamb because we'll have loads of it. We're OK for diary products too. Might have to import some stuff for which EU will not be the sole supply source
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07/12/2020 21:03:50 2 6
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Talking rubbish
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07/12/2020 20:54:26 10 1
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"Boris's lies are finally coming home to roost"

Good. They were always going to.
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07/12/2020 21:04:45 0 7
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He’s asking for no more than the UK to be treated as an independent sovereign nation. Turns out the EU have a big problem with that.
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07/12/2020 21:01:29 1 10
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There's plenty of food produced in the UK. If you can't live without tasteless Spanish veg, French cheese, olives etc.. then go and live there. All the more for the indigenous inhabitants of these islands.
07/12/2020 21:19:34 1 2
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"An Island that can't feed itself"

It's masochism at this stage. All the predictions were wrong and they still whip themselves, we're bad, we're rubbish, we can't feed ourselves.

Jesus wept man grow at least one.
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07/12/2020 20:14:55 14 22
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maybe now the EU will take the UK seriously

We have been the poor relative for long enough.

France has put itself before the EU
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07/12/2020 20:31:52 1 2
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Err - no evidence for your opinion
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07/12/2020 20:12:14 162 47
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So BJ's bluff has been called - now what?
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07/12/2020 20:14:55 139 27
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Trouble for the uk thats all
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07/12/2020 20:14:58 25 17
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Brexit the biggest own goal ever scored just rewards for the english
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07/12/2020 20:21:23 4 1
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Like so many missed penalties!
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07/12/2020 20:22:29 0 2
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Yet another Irish Racist.
08/12/2020 00:54:54 0 0
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'English' but last time I looked, Scotland, Wales and NI were leaving too
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07/12/2020 20:15:11 288 99
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Labour should never back a Johnson deal. Make the Tories own their own mess.
You clown! Removed
208
07/12/2020 20:28:53 18 13
bbc
Labour should have won the election. then they could have done a deal of their own and voted it down........... in case anyone has forgotten.
399
07/12/2020 20:39:28 18 33
bbc
Bearing in mind Labour came up with the most ridiculous and confusing Brexit strategy for the last election are they any better? By the way Labour are irrelevant due to the low number of seats they have, they are a Lib Dem in waiting, the Tories don’t need their backing!!
07/12/2020 21:46:09 9 10
bbc
Labour are useless too. They all are.
07/12/2020 21:55:29 5 1
bbc
They might not end up having to make the decision the way it's going!
08/12/2020 00:21:28 1 4
bbc
like when Labour left a note saying 'there's no money left' ? Own their own mess. LOL Labour BACKED leave. They pushed for that referendum chum
08/12/2020 01:19:42 2 2
bbc
Don't worry.
Labour don't even bother to vote on contentious issues.
They abstain.
For example, lockdown.
What a pointless waste-of-space of a party.
If you have no principles to vote for, just fade away into oblivion and be consigned to the waste-bin of history, where you belong.
08/12/2020 07:14:58 2 1
bbc
Labour are too busy fighting themselves and seem to be abdicating any responsibility of opposition
08/12/2020 07:54:37 0 0
bbc
And where does that get you ?
08/12/2020 08:46:45 0 0
bbc
In other words they would back and deal!
08/12/2020 08:58:21 1 1
bbc
Another unpatriotic red flag waving socialist who believes everybody else should pay for everything he/she wants.
Removed
08/12/2020 09:35:30 0 1
bbc
Labour cant even decide which fence to sit on let alone win an election....
57
07/12/2020 20:15:18 13 6
bbc
Really ?

Has to see UvdL in front of him to discuss things properly ?

Not just a clown but a pathetic clown.
58
07/12/2020 20:15:18 22 23
bbc
Still at least we didn't elect 'Magic Grandad'.

Right now he would be kneeling in front of, or possibly bent over, a desk in Brussels begging the almighty commissioners to do whatever they want.
86
07/12/2020 20:18:51 13 2
bbc
Deflect Deflect Deflect
89
07/12/2020 20:19:11 5 0
bbc
Who was controlled by Dom the ultimate unelected bureaucrat. Namely Dom Cummings who may even be controlled by Putin!
94
07/12/2020 20:19:26 5 1
bbc
You keep reading the daily mail and have your life ruled for. Easy
238
07/12/2020 20:30:33 0 0
bbc
Utter tripe
401
07/12/2020 20:39:40 0 0
bbc
He could not have done any worse a job than this lot, and at least his intention would be to get the best for the people, not the best for the rich people.
Do remember every step of this fiasco has been down to the Tory's.
38
07/12/2020 20:13:25 4 2
bbc
How deluded. BloJo’s no good at ANYTHING.
59
07/12/2020 20:15:31 6 1
bbc
Wrong! johnson is the world's best liar.
117
07/12/2020 20:21:27 5 1
bbc
I'd say most prolific rather than best - he keeps getting caught out after all
60
07/12/2020 20:15:39 783 259
bbc
We import 50% of our food and almost all the fresh stuff from the EU. The No Dealers on here have no idea what WTO terms mean - huge delays, paperwork/red tape, duties and substantial price increases for basic things we take for granted today. It also means loss of competitive access to EU markets with economic pain and major job losses. No patriotic person wants that for their country.
88
07/12/2020 20:19:02 699 229
bbc
Even the boss of WTO has said that trading under the WTO terms would mean chaos and pain for the UK.

Leavers have not a clue what trading under WTO rules mean.
216
07/12/2020 20:29:08 25 6
bbc
No but thickies do.
285
07/12/2020 20:22:23 49 50
bbc
You can buy food and goods from other countries you know?
290
07/12/2020 20:33:02 14 31
bbc
So independence has sacrificed for trade then?
298
07/12/2020 20:33:41 22 60
bbc
But that wont happen will it. Stop being melodramatic. Where theres a will there's a way.There will be good things come from what you think is adversity. Whatever happens its 10x better than being in a corrupt, Federalistic wet dream that is the EU.
319
07/12/2020 20:34:43 7 12
bbc
Arise Africa...
369
07/12/2020 20:37:49 43 4
bbc
Roughly 50% of what we import and export goes to or from EU. The paperwork and licences all to make this is happen reported above is collossal. All of which unfortunately means rising costs. Let’s not forget that all the systems, agreements, processes have yet to be finalised with 2 weeks to go. It’s going to be a car crash...of that there is no doubt, it’s all about how big of a car cash.
519
07/12/2020 20:46:00 5 2
bbc
Food consumed by UK

UK 55%
EU 26%
Rest of World 19%

We also export around 20% to the EU. The EU recently stated they would not block exports of food after www.politico.eu/article/uk-rules-out-brexit-row-over-third-country-listings-for-food-exports/
554
07/12/2020 20:39:11 6 7
bbc
"The No Dealers on here have no idea what WTO terms mean - huge delays, paperwork/red tape, duties and substantial price increases for basic things we take for granted today"

You're right. But I'm so sick of hearing about this now I couldn't care less. If there is no deal then so be it. It won't hit me as hard as many who voted for it.
793
07/12/2020 21:05:09 1 18
bbc
No patriotic person wants to remain in the EU or under any of their control.
887
07/12/2020 21:09:58 8 0
bbc
Are you mad? We’re getting a fabulous Australian deal. I mean, the government wouldn’t try & deflect from WTO terms by pretending it’s a deal with a country’s name in it would they. And it’s a country that gave us Neighbours so it must be a decent one.
923
07/12/2020 21:12:02 1 6
bbc
Then we should stop buying from the EU and start buying from underdeveloped countries who have suffered greatly from EU protectionism.Give South American and African producers a much bigger share.It will work out cheaper in the end and solve some of the poverty issues in the third world.
954
07/12/2020 21:14:22 1 8
bbc
What it means is maximising our assets. We'll have an awful lot of fish to sell, so business opportunities for many and of course new markets to find. Plus new suppliers for our fruit and veg unless the EU reduces the tariffs. A time of change, not hunger!
983
07/12/2020 21:16:39 1 1
bbc
i agree that a no deal is a very poor outcome. But a lot of fresh food also comes from outside Europe (kenya in particular) without a problem
07/12/2020 21:22:27 0 0
bbc
26% from the EU
28
07/12/2020 20:11:53 22 22
bbc
Its the French that is holding up everything as their fishermen want to fish in UK waters and won't accept anything different. They are very vocal and politically active and a pain in the french Governments side if they don't get what they want.
61
07/12/2020 20:15:41 19 2
bbc
Some might say they are behaving like an independent sovereign coastal nation state - someone should remind them they are in the EU and not supposed to be able to do sort of thing!
28
07/12/2020 20:11:53 22 22
bbc
Its the French that is holding up everything as their fishermen want to fish in UK waters and won't accept anything different. They are very vocal and politically active and a pain in the french Governments side if they don't get what they want.
62
07/12/2020 20:15:58 1 4
bbc
They can fish in UK waters if they apply to do so, unfortunately like so many EU arrangements they don't like having to fill in forms because it holds them to account and reveals their true intent...
13
07/12/2020 20:09:55 17 20
bbc
Why are the EU about to recognise a sovereign nation? In which case then we will control our costal territories, laws and decide our own competition rules and state aid.
I suggest trade disputes in the UK are dealt with by our courts and those in the EU by theirs.
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tim
07/12/2020 20:16:26 14 5
bbc
Decide our own competition laws decide disputes within our own courts. Classic.

You are delusional if you think any country in the world can do those things and have multinational trade deals.
17
07/12/2020 20:10:22 35 35
bbc
Japan got a free trade deal.
Canada got a free trade deal.
No political union or freedom of movement included.

Why can't the EU give Britain the same, because if Britain can trade as freely outside of the EU as we did in it then what would be the point of the EU.
64
07/12/2020 20:16:32 11 1
bbc
They can, but it'll take at least 7 years, as it did with Canada...
65
07/12/2020 20:16:38 202 49
bbc
Believe in Boris.......

Sorry.

Can’t.
07/12/2020 21:47:09 111 34
bbc
Probably the only person who really believes in Johnson now is Johnson himself. And that's badly misplaced.
07/12/2020 21:59:31 0 1
bbc
I thought Lord Frost was in charge of negotiations .
08/12/2020 01:25:44 0 1
bbc
Really?
And who cares?
The majority of the UK people did. Ever wonder how he got a 80 seat majority?
56
07/12/2020 20:15:11 288 99
bbc
Labour should never back a Johnson deal. Make the Tories own their own mess.
66
bbc
You clown! Removed
520
TBM
07/12/2020 20:46:12 10 1
bbc
You are very quick with the insults.
67
07/12/2020 20:16:49 3 2
bbc
#Send in Dominc
93
07/12/2020 20:19:20 1 0
bbc
He’s busy testing his eyesight at some castle
68
07/12/2020 20:16:49 11 8
bbc
Hopefully he does not simply destroy whatever goodwill is left through his loose tongue. Anyway, he is going to Brussels with his tail tucked in his backside, which he deserve due to his role in Brexit.
76
07/12/2020 20:18:00 1 0
bbc
That's the art of the Sulk
69
07/12/2020 20:17:16 149 32
bbc
The ever-devious Bojo has spent the weekend in No 10 writing speeches and articles justifying and praising each of the two alternative outcomes and vice versa blaming everyone else, ready for when the time comes.

When have we seen that before??? Hee hee!
300
07/12/2020 20:33:50 148 27
bbc
Wasn't that for the Telegraph, owned by the billionaire tax exiled Barclay brothers?

Like most of the papers, owned by just three billionaires who support the Tories and Brexit. Don't believe me? Check it out.

I wonder why the press like Brexit so much? Perhaps it's because Downing St does as they say, whereas Brussels take no notice of them.
70
07/12/2020 20:17:21 342 87
bbc
There is nothing on the table that won't leave us poorer than we are now
365
07/12/2020 20:37:30 371 116
bbc
Correct. UK has prospered more in the EU than at any other time in its history. Fact.

Boris has thrown it all away for political and personal gain for him and his billionaires press owner supporters.
07/12/2020 21:49:15 11 18
bbc
New beginnings. Enjoy and stop being miserable.
07/12/2020 22:34:31 13 6
bbc
But you'll be poorer with a blue passport and a rose tinted, fading memory of Dad's Army Britain and Hillman Hunters. Jumpers as goal posts and 1966
xlr
07/12/2020 23:03:22 3 1
bbc
Even if we were to make the best of Brexit and have full customs union and regulation so there was no border, no red tape and no lorry queues, we'd still have been better off not leaving in the first place.

There is no situation where the UK can be better off outside the EU while the EU exists. The EU isn't going to collapse any time soon. But the UK might.
07/12/2020 23:15:59 1 1
bbc
Spot on.

If anyone voted leave for economic reasons they really must be stupid.

But many wanted other things and still do not care if they get them and the economy crashes.
08/12/2020 00:30:04 2 2
bbc
If you are in Germany and the EU, that is true, if in the UK, that is garbage. For a start our trading with the US won't be hit by any punitive tariffs they are allowed to impose thanks to WTO sanctioning them - 25% on EU cars - no wonder Nissan shut Barcelona and kept Sunderland open!
08/12/2020 01:15:13 0 1
bbc
Just *your* prediction.
Just *yours*
08/12/2020 08:18:31 0 1
bbc
Emotive nonsense. There is nothing on the table that will leave us poorer than we are now. Even the worst-case no-deal doomsday forecasts show the economy will grow (that's grow, not contract) more slowly.
08/12/2020 08:58:09 1 1
bbc
It is going to be No Deal. Which is for the best really. We have a large trade surplus with the USA, with which we have no trade deal. But a large trade deficit with the EU. So it looks like WTO terms are better for the UK!
71
07/12/2020 20:17:29 121 21
bbc
Can't wait for the blue on blue punch ups.
112
07/12/2020 20:21:15 36 16
bbc
Nice...
08/12/2020 01:59:41 0 1
bbc
France v Germany began on Friday ;-)
72
07/12/2020 20:17:34 6 3
bbc
Nevil Johnson trots off to Brussels to collect his white paper Gutless Muppet
205
07/12/2020 20:28:25 1 0
bbc
Might be worth reading up on the bigger picture of Chamberlain's waving of white paper, the background story is an example of powerful statesmanship delivered with considerable foresight to prevent much greater losses happening sooner.

It bought Britain 12 months to prepare for war rather than being invaded then.

We could have been under a Corbyn Gov't in 1938 instead with nice shiny boots....
17
07/12/2020 20:10:22 35 35
bbc
Japan got a free trade deal.
Canada got a free trade deal.
No political union or freedom of movement included.

Why can't the EU give Britain the same, because if Britain can trade as freely outside of the EU as we did in it then what would be the point of the EU.
73
07/12/2020 20:17:36 11 1
bbc
Getting a free trade deal is easy, getting one the size we need isn't
512
07/12/2020 20:45:46 1 3
bbc
It’s not actually that easy. One of the main sticking points is the EU want us to align with their rules specifically because they are scared of the UK (I.e a large economy on their doorstep) out competing them. I think the UK would rip the EU’s arm off of a real Canada style deal was on offer.
74
07/12/2020 20:17:52 6 4
bbc
What we really need is another HYS on this.

Does the BBC get paid in thumbs up and downs now?
98
07/12/2020 20:19:50 4 2
bbc
Don't get involved, no one is forcing you
75
07/12/2020 20:17:54 20 24
bbc
Boris - DO NOT BACK DOWN NOW. Any involvement of the ECJ is unacceptable. Any committment to keep following EU rules is unacceptable.
92
07/12/2020 20:19:19 7 9
bbc
Absolutely right in all aspects
122
07/12/2020 20:22:01 4 2
bbc
You've just reminded me of that song 'The lunatics have taken over the asylum'
131
07/12/2020 20:22:50 2 2
bbc
No matter what happens will have to follow EU rules if we want to do business with the EU.

The same if we want to do business with the US, Japan, India. You simply have to follow their rules or the countries will not deal with you.

Likewise, the EU will have to follow our rules if they want to do business with us, fortunately the EU rules and the UK rules are the same.
135
07/12/2020 20:23:22 4 3
bbc
Well say good bye to exporting to the Single market then. Pleased are you to condemn millions to the dole as we are refused entry to the wealthiest trading bloc in the wold. Brexit cretins.
299
07/12/2020 20:33:43 1 1
bbc
Sorry but try and see this from more than one subjective opinion - there needs to be some arbitration process WTO are impotent so whats the answer - ECJ are at least intelligent
68
07/12/2020 20:16:49 11 8
bbc
Hopefully he does not simply destroy whatever goodwill is left through his loose tongue. Anyway, he is going to Brussels with his tail tucked in his backside, which he deserve due to his role in Brexit.
76
07/12/2020 20:18:00 1 0
bbc
That's the art of the Sulk
5
07/12/2020 20:07:53 347 134
bbc
Yes, the EU wants to trade with the UK. That's why they persisted dealing with the May and Johnson governments, despite the former's ineptitude and the latter's bad faith. But it only goes so far. They'll keep talking up to, and after, the deadline. But they won't surrender their principles. Their businesses will survive without us. But tens of thousands of our's will go bust without EU access.
77
07/12/2020 20:18:04 23 52
bbc
If you truly believe all that you have written and you have many posts in the past on the BBC HYS you come across as a Remain Bigot.
We are an independent nation and the EU have to accept that fact.
I doubt a deal can be done because of the EU’s stated aim of humiliation and making an example of us and threatening others EU states who dare to leave.
Quite frankly we are well shot of them!
182
07/12/2020 20:26:53 35 10
bbc
Do you have a source to this "EU’s stated aim of humiliation and making an example of us and threatening others EU states who dare to leave."? Asking for a friend
493
07/12/2020 20:44:44 19 21
bbc
You are almost certainly a failure in life as you clearly do not understand some of life's fundamental truths:
- god is on the side of the big battalions (EU)
- god helps them who help themselves (work with the system not against it to achieve your goals)
- being right but dead is not a smart option (move with times)
Brexiteers ignore all these truths
503
TBM
07/12/2020 20:45:18 32 5
bbc
"If you truly believe all that you have written and you have many posts in the past on the BBC HYS you come across as a Remain Bigot."

I would suggest that anybody that is prepared to call people you do not know "bigots" for imply having a different opinion, is, in fact a bigot themselves.
08/12/2020 00:46:39 3 0
bbc
Could you possibly research why we originally joined EU. Consider that then we had the temporary bonus of offshore oil. Now we have no such funds to fall back on.
78
07/12/2020 20:18:04 5 9
bbc
It’s really pathetic all this hatred of the EU. It’s not actually a person, do you realise that? Yes? Well GROW UP then!
136
07/12/2020 20:23:22 2 1
bbc
Unwillingness to be controlled by unelected bureaucrats who cannot be legally challenged (the European Commission) is not at all the same as ‘hating’ a person.
49
07/12/2020 20:14:39 10 4
bbc
I hope Johnson isn't just delaying things so he can go to Brussels for the theatre of it all. But I would put nothing past him.
79
07/12/2020 20:18:08 0 1
bbc
And another two week isolation with the boss when he gets back...
80
07/12/2020 20:18:23 22 13
bbc
BBC, can we get a Brexit article once something is actually decided? Day after day we get 3+ Brexit articles saying the exact same thing.
607
07/12/2020 20:52:25 0 4
bbc
Normally I get annoyed with anti BBC sentiment, but this is different and I agree. 'Boris and Ursula pause conversation after 90 mins', yeah Bojo probobly needed the lav, not news.
46
07/12/2020 20:14:18 1033 297
bbc
I voted Remain. But what's done is done.

Remainers have a responsibility to acknowledge that saving a long-term concept (democracy) is more important than a short-term concept (the EU)

Leavers have a responsibility to acknowledge that nearly half the country voted the other way and grant what we were promised in 2016 (a good deal)

Both sides have responsibility to treat each other with respect
81
Hex
07/12/2020 20:18:29 630 46
bbc
That's a very sensible pragmatic approach, you sure you're in the right place?!
82
07/12/2020 20:18:29 23 17
bbc
What else is there to say between the EU and the UK. If it hasn’t been said yet, why not? If there’s no deal, there’s no deal, and if thats the case, we should simply move on.
126
07/12/2020 20:22:17 18 11
bbc
"If there’s no deal, there’s no deal, and if thats the case, we should simply move on."

Wow! What deep insight you have. Did you figure that out all by yourself?
154
07/12/2020 20:24:48 2 1
bbc
"...and if thats the case, we should simply move on."

Yes....the problem with that statement is it's a bit like the promises of Brexit - sounds decisive but, in reality, vague and spurious.
237
07/12/2020 20:30:31 3 1
bbc
Good bye to the United Kingdom then as scotland will vote leave
336
07/12/2020 20:35:51 2 0
bbc
And by "simply move on" you mean stop trading with our biggest customer and biggest supplier? So where do you suggest we buy the 50% of our food from?
07/12/2020 22:15:53 0 0
bbc
Where to?
28
07/12/2020 20:11:53 22 22
bbc
Its the French that is holding up everything as their fishermen want to fish in UK waters and won't accept anything different. They are very vocal and politically active and a pain in the french Governments side if they don't get what they want.
83
Jon
07/12/2020 20:18:32 6 1
bbc
you mean the french want to fish in the waters the british fishermen sold the rights to....OOO those nasty french - expecting the UK to honour a deal.
84
07/12/2020 20:18:34 29 7
bbc
Superman Bozo will bamboozle Johnny Foreigner with his negotiating skills!!!
The Europeans surely must have realised by now that they are trying to deal with spoilt children. Tantrums coming.
28
07/12/2020 20:11:53 22 22
bbc
Its the French that is holding up everything as their fishermen want to fish in UK waters and won't accept anything different. They are very vocal and politically active and a pain in the french Governments side if they don't get what they want.
85
07/12/2020 20:18:48 6 1
bbc
You do know that fishing only accounts for 0.1% of trade between UK and EU - and most of the fish caught by good old British fishermen is sold to the EU anyway!
58
07/12/2020 20:15:18 22 23
bbc
Still at least we didn't elect 'Magic Grandad'.

Right now he would be kneeling in front of, or possibly bent over, a desk in Brussels begging the almighty commissioners to do whatever they want.
86
07/12/2020 20:18:51 13 2
bbc
Deflect Deflect Deflect
148
07/12/2020 20:24:02 1 2
bbc
But you know it's True True True
87
07/12/2020 20:18:51 6 6
bbc
On top of Covid, a no deal exit from the EU would be catastrophic for the UK. We are talking about up to 6m people losing their jobs. Is that worth it? I think not. Just to get blue passports. BTW they are black!
123
07/12/2020 20:22:05 4 1
bbc
And made in France. By the way, we could have had a blue passport when in the EU
60
07/12/2020 20:15:39 783 259
bbc
We import 50% of our food and almost all the fresh stuff from the EU. The No Dealers on here have no idea what WTO terms mean - huge delays, paperwork/red tape, duties and substantial price increases for basic things we take for granted today. It also means loss of competitive access to EU markets with economic pain and major job losses. No patriotic person wants that for their country.
88
07/12/2020 20:19:02 699 229
bbc
Even the boss of WTO has said that trading under the WTO terms would mean chaos and pain for the UK.

Leavers have not a clue what trading under WTO rules mean.
139
07/12/2020 20:23:37 45 94
bbc
Neither do you.
202
07/12/2020 20:27:55 57 69
bbc
Maybe we all need to start eating home-grown seasonal vegetables and fruit. There you go - problem solved!
263
07/12/2020 20:31:58 41 8
bbc
Trading under WTO rules only means chaos if you are not prepared, trouble is, no one can prepare for anything as we do not know what the situation will be on Jan 1st.
435
07/12/2020 20:41:38 20 1
bbc
The UK traded within the EU for so long that the vast majority of people forgot what international trade was like and think trading with the rest of the world is as easy as doing so within the EU as an EU member...
It won’t be the end of the world, but the UK will need to up its competitiveness big time.
756
07/12/2020 21:03:24 1 3
bbc
Talking rubbish
874
07/12/2020 21:09:27 0 2
bbc
We have youve just told us its going to be chaos, and we believe you because your an expert....
58
07/12/2020 20:15:18 22 23
bbc
Still at least we didn't elect 'Magic Grandad'.

Right now he would be kneeling in front of, or possibly bent over, a desk in Brussels begging the almighty commissioners to do whatever they want.
89
07/12/2020 20:19:11 5 0
bbc
Who was controlled by Dom the ultimate unelected bureaucrat. Namely Dom Cummings who may even be controlled by Putin!
36
07/12/2020 20:13:17 19 16
bbc
We'll be back with our European friends in a few years, perhaps we need this to see off petty nationalism once and for all.
90
07/12/2020 20:19:12 0 1
bbc
Your comment applies to France more than the UK. Is that what you meant? Stop the most brazenly nationalistic nation in Europe (France) from dominating the political direction of European affairs? If so, I think it is time to do so. Good on you!
91
07/12/2020 20:19:18 58 14
bbc
No deal and the Pound bombs. Imports become more expensive and we all lose.

An irrelevance to Boris and the ERG as long as they keep their tax-havens.
467
07/12/2020 20:43:15 46 7
bbc
I remember a brexiteer once said on national radio that we could eat grass and grin an bare it for 50 years as he relished a no deal Brexit. Johnson, Farage, Reece-Mogg and the rest of them won’t be eating grass that’s for sure. They won’t be queuing at airports for hours on end either! People won’t know that they’ve been had until it’s too late. Anymore grass anyone.
08/12/2020 00:54:06 1 0
bbc
Markets doing well
08/12/2020 13:31:53 0 0
bbc
Most of the world trade under WTO rules.And when you take off the 20%
75
07/12/2020 20:17:54 20 24
bbc
Boris - DO NOT BACK DOWN NOW. Any involvement of the ECJ is unacceptable. Any committment to keep following EU rules is unacceptable.
92
07/12/2020 20:19:19 7 9
bbc
Absolutely right in all aspects
67
07/12/2020 20:16:49 3 2
bbc
#Send in Dominc
93
07/12/2020 20:19:20 1 0
bbc
He’s busy testing his eyesight at some castle
58
07/12/2020 20:15:18 22 23
bbc
Still at least we didn't elect 'Magic Grandad'.

Right now he would be kneeling in front of, or possibly bent over, a desk in Brussels begging the almighty commissioners to do whatever they want.
94
07/12/2020 20:19:26 5 1
bbc
You keep reading the daily mail and have your life ruled for. Easy
25
07/12/2020 20:11:18 19 32
bbc
Just call it a day! Slap reciprocal tariffs on EU goods. Revoke the Withdrawal Agreement on the grounds that the EU did not negotiate in good faith and above all punish the Irish by crippling their exports of beef and butter to the UK. The EU will be back with a deal within 3 months. Best of all, no third rate food imports from the USA. Suck on that Irish Joe Biden!
95
07/12/2020 20:19:27 5 1
bbc
Are you typing this from a secure psychiatric ward or have you escaped to an Internet Cafe?
46
07/12/2020 20:14:18 1033 297
bbc
I voted Remain. But what's done is done.

Remainers have a responsibility to acknowledge that saving a long-term concept (democracy) is more important than a short-term concept (the EU)

Leavers have a responsibility to acknowledge that nearly half the country voted the other way and grant what we were promised in 2016 (a good deal)

Both sides have responsibility to treat each other with respect
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07/12/2020 20:19:40 65 27
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About time someone spoke so sense.
The biggest damage done is the harm between fellow human beings.
We as a species can overcome anything if we worked together I stress of trying to blame each other
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07/12/2020 20:51:38 6 7
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why work together when the other half screwed us over, removed our rights, opportunities, benefits etc.? Nope, going forward, I will be seeking to give the other half none of my business where possible. They've changed my options, i'll not feather theirs. Simple! They're not like me, deserve nothing from me.
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07/12/2020 20:11:18 19 32
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Just call it a day! Slap reciprocal tariffs on EU goods. Revoke the Withdrawal Agreement on the grounds that the EU did not negotiate in good faith and above all punish the Irish by crippling their exports of beef and butter to the UK. The EU will be back with a deal within 3 months. Best of all, no third rate food imports from the USA. Suck on that Irish Joe Biden!
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07/12/2020 20:19:50 3 1
bbc
Just curious about why you want to 'punish the Irish'...Is it just anti-Irish bigotry (or have I missed something?)
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07/12/2020 20:17:52 6 4
bbc
What we really need is another HYS on this.

Does the BBC get paid in thumbs up and downs now?
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07/12/2020 20:19:50 4 2
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Don't get involved, no one is forcing you
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07/12/2020 20:19:51 6 3
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£784m contribution of fishing to UK GDP= 40% of our fishing waters 100% =£1.9 billion pounds The EU want it all. Plus control
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07/12/2020 20:34:50 2 0
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£1.9B - getting out of Europe will cost us 10 x that - what a good move!
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07/12/2020 20:13:17 19 16
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We'll be back with our European friends in a few years, perhaps we need this to see off petty nationalism once and for all.
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07/12/2020 20:19:54 0 1
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If you want to see nationalism, you should look east in the EU membership.