England's children decline 'significantly' in science tests
08/12/2020 | news | education | 418
International school tests have Singapore at top, with England down in science but up in maths.
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08/12/2020 10:41:12 5 7
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Not everyone can be top and England performs better than the majority of other countries.

BBC glass half empty syndrome strikes again.
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08/12/2020 11:08:43 1 7
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BrexiteEr attitude is that UK is GREAT to excel at the bottom of the Premier League.

Long live the English Empire

LOl ROFL LOL
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GK
08/12/2020 10:43:01 1 1
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There are not many teachers in UK who are interested in teaching Science. Can UK can try to learn from Singapore as it is about education ?
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08/12/2020 11:12:00 1 5
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Two strands to public education - educating the general population, and, educating to discover the best of whatever background by merit.

Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government focus on defunding public education for the ordinary majority by tax free private education for thier kids who get the better jobs without "competition on merit".
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08/12/2020 10:43:40 9 5
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The BBC walked away from Science Programes ages ago.
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08/12/2020 11:08:51 5 3
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Ah yes, it's all the BBCs fault and not the schools because I forgot the television was supposed to be your number 1 source of information..... wise up

However, I will agree on a need for more shows on science because lets face it, science and nature are fascinating.
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08/12/2020 10:54:48 85 9
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I'm sorry it is not about the quality of the teaching, but the populations attitude to education. The difference in the table is to do with attitude, not aptitude.
Consider private education for your children and grandchildren - oh dear you cannot afford it.

You voted for the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government that facilitates a future by way of private education for their kids and not your kids.
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08/12/2020 11:17:24 6 0
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Quality of teaching helps a great deal, if you have teachers that show no enthusiasm then how can you inspire and if they can't convey an understanding of the subject upon their students then that's a double handicap. Good science teachers are worth their weight in gold, there are a lot of bad ones.
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08/12/2020 12:50:38 0 5
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Perhaps if you could use an apostrophe your argument would be stronger...
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08/12/2020 15:02:44 0 1
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In high PISA tests scoring Finland: Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive. A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 15:07:24 0 1
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notice how Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDISTS lead by our buffoon for prime minister under instruction from MURDOCH and News Corp removed my post that :

perhaps the government needs poorly funded public education to maintain power by misinformation to an uneducated electorate
In high PISA tests scoring Finland:

Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive. A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 15:22:25 0 0
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Some say Labour gov played its part in the demise in public education, other say Conservative gov.

BUT I SAY Michael Gove did the most damage - A-Level gold standard is a joke compare to Higher Baccalaureat
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08/12/2020 16:17:26 0 0
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Doesn't it upset you that COMMUNIST China:

- educates its population better than Brexit-UK

- has more successful Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics based businesses than Brexit-UK

- has more power on the global stage than Brexit-UK

- is a country with longer civilisation including history of religion, science and philosophy than Brexit-UK

It is MERITOCRACY over NEPOTISM buddy !
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08/12/2020 16:18:28 1 0
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Sadly, quality of teaching comes into it too. With a good STEM degree lots of well paid, comfortable jobs, where you will be appreciated, are available. So why would any but the truly desperate go into teaching where you are expected to work till you drop, and get it in the neck from BOTH the kids and the management. It's not like this in other countries, but this is definitely how it is in the UK
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08/12/2020 18:39:00 0 0
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Bencor34 - my thoughts exactly! Science teachers do not mind the relatively low pay. The last straw is that a specialist who requires time and concentration to communicate a complex subject is drag into other agendas. These may be popular with the public and easy to understand but are axiomatic depending on who is in power and do not stay with the student
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08/12/2020 20:40:28 0 0
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21 years in teaching and I totally agree, these international tests are totally irrelevant. What does it do for the individual looking to get into college, get a job - nothing! It's all just politics.
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08/12/2020 10:56:05 8 1
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Wonders what education secretary, Gavin Williamson, has to say on this considering he claims we have “much better” scientists than France, Belgium or the US!
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08/12/2020 11:02:17 1 12
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The average person, student or child, does not become an scientist, technologist, engineer (professional not car mechanic or repair person), mathematician. only the best and nowadays the Tory Trumpist brexiteEr government facilitates only those privately educated to fulfill such career ambitions.

You voted for the government you deserve for your children and grandchildren.
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08/12/2020 10:57:58 1 5
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These tests akin estimating average STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) intelligence of nation's school population - gives good insight into nation's attainment in provision of public education for the majority of the population who cannot afford private education.

Interesting slip in UK's position occurred during Brexit years - A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME to Brexit-UK ?
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08/12/2020 10:59:16 42 2
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Science is being attacked every day with wild conspiracy theory’s on social media , kids don’t know what’s true. Why would they want to study a subject that their influencers are always alleging is incorrect so they can hawk their next naff miracle cure?
The cure for conspiracy theory misinformation is "Education, Education, Education".

The problem is the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government power is predicated on ensuring the general population is NOT APPROPRIATELY EDUCATED so defunds public education whilst facilitating tax free education for the ENTITLED-ELITISTS; children & grandchildren

Checkoit education background of Tory government cabinet
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08/12/2020 12:27:16 0 4
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How much of the conspiracy theories are owned by Totry Trumpist BrexiteEr government PROPAGANDA
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08/12/2020 12:55:58 3 2
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Religious groups are another chief enemy of science online. Children are understandably confused.
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08/12/2020 16:25:46 1 0
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Problem is NEPOTISM over MERITOCRACY

ENTITLED-ELITISTS in government defund public education to remove competition.

Notice how Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDISTS lead by our buffoon for prime minister under instruction from MURDOCH and News Corp removed my post that :

perhaps the government needs poorly funded public education to maintain power by misinformation to an uneducated electorate
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08/12/2020 17:05:07 0 0
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Solve problem by reverting from Michael Gove's 3 A-level subjects to Baccalaureat type breadth of 10 subjects for compulsory education of 16 to 18yr olds.

End formal exams at 16 yrs age and replace 14 to 16 yr old O-levels with extension of wide spread general subjects - to maintain motivation of all pupils.

Like rest of World countries using Baccalaureat system, have additional university year
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08/12/2020 17:12:23 0 0
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AND our Buffoon for a Prime Minister did a Classics degree at Oxford University so whilst him being one of the ENTITLED-ELITISTS is allowed to do study what Tory Trumpist BrexiteERs consider to be a "noddy degree" and choose him to become our Buffoon for a Prime Minister:

our youth are denied the STEM graduate jobs due to the best global companies closing business in Brexit-UK to move to EU.
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08/12/2020 18:37:36 0 0
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Science is about learning to assess data / information / theories - what's reasonable and what isn't. Most of the conspiracy theorists haven't a clue. Unfortunately neither have many members of the public.
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08/12/2020 21:51:41 0 0
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We have an education system that, for most of the compulsory years, demands generalisation whereas we live in a world so complex it demands specialisation.

If we had an education system that reflected the world we lived in and recognised and honoured children’s strengths supporting them to specialise at a younger age, we might also have an adult population that honoured individual expertise.
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08/12/2020 11:01:25 10 2
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"School Standards Minister Nick Gibb said the "strong performance" in maths was a "testament to the hard work of teachers and a reflection of the reforms we have put in place"."
How can he claim this, given that the UK performance in Maths has deteriorated in secondary schools? Has the government only implemented changes in primary schools? If so, why?
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08/12/2020 11:06:36 2 20
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Brexit-UK's Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government does not want an educated population to stay in perennial power
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08/12/2020 19:43:33 0 0
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What reforms and how has there been an improvement - me thinks there is a whif of Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDA
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08/12/2020 10:56:05 8 1
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Wonders what education secretary, Gavin Williamson, has to say on this considering he claims we have “much better” scientists than France, Belgium or the US!
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08/12/2020 11:02:17 1 12
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The average person, student or child, does not become an scientist, technologist, engineer (professional not car mechanic or repair person), mathematician. only the best and nowadays the Tory Trumpist brexiteEr government facilitates only those privately educated to fulfill such career ambitions.

You voted for the government you deserve for your children and grandchildren.
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08/12/2020 11:17:49 4 1
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I studied civil engineering at university 25 years ago, with no tuition fees and receiving a grant due to my family's single parent status. I could not have attended now due to the financial demands - I am now a director of an engineering practice employing 12 people. Investment in education pays huge dividends but does not win elections, so short-termism abounds.
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08/12/2020 13:47:49 0 0
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I kinda wondered why the first comment i read from you was so downvoted, when the argument you were making did have merit.

I now see why. I'm no lover of Boris or the Tories but your heavily blinkered anti Tory viewpoint has lead you to some ridiculous conclusions.

I know many engineers, Doctors, scientists etc that came through my non private state school, you seem bitter over something?
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08/12/2020 10:54:48 85 9
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I'm sorry it is not about the quality of the teaching, but the populations attitude to education. The difference in the table is to do with attitude, not aptitude.
Consider private education for your children and grandchildren - oh dear you cannot afford it.

You voted for the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government that facilitates a future by way of private education for their kids and not your kids.
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08/12/2020 11:16:11 0 0
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I'm a science teacher in the state sector! (I know I missed the apostrophe btw!!!)
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AMc
08/12/2020 12:36:18 3 3
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Many put their Children into Private schooling do NOT come from wealthy backgrounds & make incredible sacrifices to do so, others choose to spend their money on the latest Car, House, mobile device or Sky Package

The politics of hate and envy were kicked in to touch at the last election, you've learned nothing.

Perhaps YOU & YOUR type of attitude are the problem, back to school for you!
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08/12/2020 11:05:18 21 2
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Our middle schools taught Y5 children in a fully equipped laboratory for all their lessons. They were enthused, challenged and given a love of discovery, research and collaboration.

These places have been closed now for several years and in the Primary schools although still having dedicated teachers, science has become less important to the school.

The science data highlighted here is so sad.
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08/12/2020 11:16:56 7 29
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The problem is the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government has created a nightmare bureacracy for appropriately educated, trained, and individuals appropriate character to become teachers or remain in teaching profession.

Our Brexit-UK government prefers to make private education tax free for the elite's children at the expense of defunding public education.
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08/12/2020 15:32:20 1 0
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In High PISA test scoring Finland:

Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive.A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 11:01:25 10 2
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"School Standards Minister Nick Gibb said the "strong performance" in maths was a "testament to the hard work of teachers and a reflection of the reforms we have put in place"."
How can he claim this, given that the UK performance in Maths has deteriorated in secondary schools? Has the government only implemented changes in primary schools? If so, why?
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08/12/2020 11:06:36 2 20
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Brexit-UK's Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government does not want an educated population to stay in perennial power
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08/12/2020 11:27:05 0 2
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Scotland will end the UK very soon, so you will have perpetuel Tory governance as Labour need the Scots MP's to form a government and won't get any .
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08/12/2020 12:48:22 1 0
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It appears 'IgiveUp' Trotskyite has learned how to use the capitalist run media and capitalist design and built technology and worked out how to 'Copy and Paste'

Good for you!

And next week you can progress to getting the right shape blocks through the same shape holes.

Bless....
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ODM
08/12/2020 11:06:41 54 9
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This is simply a reflection of the general drop in standards in England. No longer do we stand for excellence. We now stand for doing what's easy and assuming someone else will do the difficult stuff.
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08/12/2020 11:22:38 15 61
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ANYTHING TO DO WEITH a Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government maintaining power through ensuring the general poupulation is not educated enough to challenge their attainments in good governance,
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AMc
08/12/2020 12:29:59 4 0
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Your comment is utter drivel

The past 20 years England and NI in particular have seen significant improvements against a backdrop of very stiff international competition & a headwind of unprecedented influx of non-English speaking students

Labour & Conservative Gov's played their part but the real hard work has been done at the Teacher/Pupil and Ofsted level who have all worked tirelessly
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08/12/2020 15:07:39 0 2
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notice how Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDISTS lead by our buffoon for prime minister under instruction from MURDOCH and News Corp removed my post that :

perhaps the government needs poorly funded public education to maintain power by misinformation to an uneducated electorate
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08/12/2020 15:17:14 0 0
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In high PISA tests scoring Finland:

Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive. A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 16:43:32 2 2
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Agreed, it's the soft woke culture, there are no losers syndrome. Kids need the right incentives and we should be encouraging grammar schools and classes divided into abilities. Too many kids with their faces stuck on phones and tablets. How about a family board game?
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08/12/2020 18:45:57 0 0
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Very true ODM - there are no definitions of terms. 'Creative' has come to mean no good at arithmetic. Just because someone is no good at maths it does not mean they automatically a good artist
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08/12/2020 18:49:56 0 0
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Does IgiveUp's statements support BBC policy?
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08/12/2020 20:13:29 0 0
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Could that be summarised as NEPOTISM before MERITOCRACY facilitated by the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government lead by our Buffoon for a Prime Minister under instructions from MURDOCH and News Corp ?

Education, jobs, and contracts for the kids and grandkids
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09/12/2020 13:12:00 0 0
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You need to look at the data itself (https://timss2019.org/reports/). The scores were either steady or improving for England except for secondary science. It is just that some countries have been improving faster than England. It is too simplistic to look at ranking alone.
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08/12/2020 10:41:12 5 7
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Not everyone can be top and England performs better than the majority of other countries.

BBC glass half empty syndrome strikes again.
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08/12/2020 11:08:43 1 7
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BrexiteEr attitude is that UK is GREAT to excel at the bottom of the Premier League.

Long live the English Empire

LOl ROFL LOL
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08/12/2020 10:43:40 9 5
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The BBC walked away from Science Programes ages ago.
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08/12/2020 11:08:51 5 3
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Ah yes, it's all the BBCs fault and not the schools because I forgot the television was supposed to be your number 1 source of information..... wise up

However, I will agree on a need for more shows on science because lets face it, science and nature are fascinating.
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08/12/2020 11:45:27 2 0
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Well partially yes, hard science is a pitifully small part of the BBC's output and any that there is being so dumbed down makes a 12 year old wince. I found the morning OU programmes inspiring as a child and embarked on a science career as a result wanting to know more.
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GK
08/12/2020 10:43:01 1 1
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There are not many teachers in UK who are interested in teaching Science. Can UK can try to learn from Singapore as it is about education ?
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08/12/2020 11:12:00 1 5
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Two strands to public education - educating the general population, and, educating to discover the best of whatever background by merit.

Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government focus on defunding public education for the ordinary majority by tax free private education for thier kids who get the better jobs without "competition on merit".
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08/12/2020 11:12:08 31 3
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Real good education is driven by parents. We have been lazy for decades assuming dumping a child for free childcare at a school is all that is required.

Parents matter make the difference backed up in many places with dire poverty unlike remotely seen here as the price of failure.
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08/12/2020 11:19:56 10 17
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What has changed with what you say in the general UK population during the last 15 years, 30 years, 50 years, 70 years, 90 years, 110 years, 130 years, etc.

Public education is education of the herd at the speed of the slowest cattle,
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08/12/2020 15:10:26 0 2
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Complete gibberish! Where was your education?
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08/12/2020 15:31:15 3 2
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In High PISA test scoring Finland:

Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive.A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 20:10:08 0 1
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My daughter's a primary teacher. One parent declined attending Parents' Evening as 'she knew her kid better than the school does so it's a waste of time'. Shouldn't be allowed to breed!
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08/12/2020 11:13:21 1 7
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Legacy of ten years of Tory education reforms.

Cannot speak for English, but in maths and science pupils have been given much more difficult work to do which only the more able have really engaged with well.

What's Gove up to now?
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08/12/2020 13:14:52 3 0
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So encourage the more able who have the capacity to be great scientists, rather than achieving a lower common denominator.

We don't need an entire year group to excel at science, we need the more able to have access to more demanding teaching.

The same applies to music, arts, humanities languages - Let each have the opportunity to fulfil their particular talent.
Consider private education for your children and grandchildren - oh dear you cannot afford it.

You voted for the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government that facilitates a future by way of private education for their kids and not your kids.
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08/12/2020 11:16:11 0 0
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I'm a science teacher in the state sector! (I know I missed the apostrophe btw!!!)
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08/12/2020 11:05:18 21 2
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Our middle schools taught Y5 children in a fully equipped laboratory for all their lessons. They were enthused, challenged and given a love of discovery, research and collaboration.

These places have been closed now for several years and in the Primary schools although still having dedicated teachers, science has become less important to the school.

The science data highlighted here is so sad.
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08/12/2020 11:16:56 7 29
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The problem is the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government has created a nightmare bureacracy for appropriately educated, trained, and individuals appropriate character to become teachers or remain in teaching profession.

Our Brexit-UK government prefers to make private education tax free for the elite's children at the expense of defunding public education.
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08/12/2020 11:30:42 6 3
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I have taught science for over 38 years. I received more capitation allowance during the Conservative era than Labour. We had more STEM initiatives during the Conservative time than before- Fact.

It was a Labour council that decided to change from 3-tier to 2 tier- Fact

Blaming a Government of a particular colour is too easy and does not lead to solutions- Opinion but hopefully balanced.
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08/12/2020 12:55:29 2 0
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Just repeating yourself adds nothing. It's boring and unhelpful.
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mal
08/12/2020 13:11:04 4 1
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Poppycock, my daughter attends an independant school. I'm in the South Wales Valleys and would in no way count myself as 'Elite' End Terraced house, working class. She goes there as your Awesome Labour lot closed all the local secondary schools and created a monster that has failed every inspection it's had.
I work my ass off to give her the education that i would expect the state to be giving her
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08/12/2020 18:28:49 0 0
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and it was LABOUR that abolished the Grammar School system that gave a FREE advanced academic education to those that could handle it, because they can't stand the thought of anyone excelling at anything so want to drag everyone down to the Lowest Common Denominator, a principle you presumably agree with
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08/12/2020 10:54:48 85 9
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I'm sorry it is not about the quality of the teaching, but the populations attitude to education. The difference in the table is to do with attitude, not aptitude.
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08/12/2020 11:17:24 6 0
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Quality of teaching helps a great deal, if you have teachers that show no enthusiasm then how can you inspire and if they can't convey an understanding of the subject upon their students then that's a double handicap. Good science teachers are worth their weight in gold, there are a lot of bad ones.
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08/12/2020 11:23:29 10 2
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Hmm, I feel you should look at the outdate syllabus we have to teach. In my experience (17yrs) teachers are enthusiastic, but the stuffing is knocked out of them daily by unrealistic targets, bureaucracy and people who, because they've been to school once..know how to teach. I am still enthusiastic, I love my job and the best bit are the kids. Why don't some of you try sitting a higher GCSE paper?
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08/12/2020 11:25:58 0 2
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What I meant was... the quality is already there!
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08/12/2020 13:40:33 0 0
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Agreed.
Is teaching therefore a career which attracts such people with the working conditions and pay?
If not, do we need to value our teachers more to attract good teachers?
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08/12/2020 13:59:32 2 0
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Difficult to have enthusiasm when trying to teach the offspring of parents that just don't care. Which is why most decent teachers get into the private sector as soon as they can, and more fragile teachers leave the profession altogether.
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08/12/2020 11:02:17 1 12
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The average person, student or child, does not become an scientist, technologist, engineer (professional not car mechanic or repair person), mathematician. only the best and nowadays the Tory Trumpist brexiteEr government facilitates only those privately educated to fulfill such career ambitions.

You voted for the government you deserve for your children and grandchildren.
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08/12/2020 11:17:49 4 1
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I studied civil engineering at university 25 years ago, with no tuition fees and receiving a grant due to my family's single parent status. I could not have attended now due to the financial demands - I am now a director of an engineering practice employing 12 people. Investment in education pays huge dividends but does not win elections, so short-termism abounds.
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08/12/2020 11:18:17 4 4
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A negative headline leads to negative comments. England is in the top 15 of 64 countries in all cases, and Year 5 education has improved. Overall, that's not too bad !
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08/12/2020 11:25:11 2 10
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RobM are you a member of the PROPAGANDA brigade of Brexit-UK's Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government.
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08/12/2020 11:12:08 31 3
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Real good education is driven by parents. We have been lazy for decades assuming dumping a child for free childcare at a school is all that is required.

Parents matter make the difference backed up in many places with dire poverty unlike remotely seen here as the price of failure.
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08/12/2020 11:19:56 10 17
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What has changed with what you say in the general UK population during the last 15 years, 30 years, 50 years, 70 years, 90 years, 110 years, 130 years, etc.

Public education is education of the herd at the speed of the slowest cattle,
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AMc
08/12/2020 12:52:04 0 1
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Well yes in some ways but that's the pillar upon which left wing or liberal values stands. Are you now saying those who struggle should not be given the same opportunities! God you're so......Conservative

Your argument is falling apart in the same way your ideology has since the fall of the Berlin wall, bar North Korea that is.
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08/12/2020 20:03:20 1 0
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No argument from me. Herd based education is the bad old way of the past. The best at churning out factory clones just about good enough. Fit for another era. All schools should be closed down & individuals made the centre of education. that will be home based. Picking and choosing to fit the child. Subject and teacher's style. Speed to fit ability etc. Inevitable but the vested interests scared.
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08/12/2020 11:21:31 3 7
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Woke plans to make everyone win a medal for participating, dumbing down the education system (blair started that one), ensuring everyone can get a place at uni and devaluing the effort required to get there on your own all contribute to this.

Next, 4 more years of Boris, in which case the kids will be dead from vaccine toxicity anyway, or Sir Ikea making them slaves.
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08/12/2020 11:28:25 1 7
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LOL ROFL LOL

"Woke" is Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government PROPAGANDA code for the general population, in otrher words, those of use who are not billionaires who can afford private education for our children and grandchildren.

Notice how the east asian countries appropriately tax the rich to appropriately do public education
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ODM
08/12/2020 11:06:41 54 9
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This is simply a reflection of the general drop in standards in England. No longer do we stand for excellence. We now stand for doing what's easy and assuming someone else will do the difficult stuff.
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08/12/2020 11:22:38 15 61
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ANYTHING TO DO WEITH a Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government maintaining power through ensuring the general poupulation is not educated enough to challenge their attainments in good governance,
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08/12/2020 12:09:54 7 0
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Another budding David Icke with a poured out of your head conspiracy theory, what evidence have you got for this?
PS: I voted remain and more of a lefty in political terms but fed up of rubbish theory's of grand conspiracy's...the Tories are not that clever
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08/12/2020 18:30:18 1 0
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and it was LABOUR that abolished the Grammar School system that gave a FREE advanced academic education to those that could handle it, because they can't stand the thought of anyone excelling at anything so want to drag everyone down to the Lowest Common Denominator, a principle you presumably agree with
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08/12/2020 20:06:58 0 0
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Change the record, it's boring.
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08/12/2020 11:17:24 6 0
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Quality of teaching helps a great deal, if you have teachers that show no enthusiasm then how can you inspire and if they can't convey an understanding of the subject upon their students then that's a double handicap. Good science teachers are worth their weight in gold, there are a lot of bad ones.
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08/12/2020 11:23:29 10 2
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Hmm, I feel you should look at the outdate syllabus we have to teach. In my experience (17yrs) teachers are enthusiastic, but the stuffing is knocked out of them daily by unrealistic targets, bureaucracy and people who, because they've been to school once..know how to teach. I am still enthusiastic, I love my job and the best bit are the kids. Why don't some of you try sitting a higher GCSE paper?
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08/12/2020 11:38:14 8 0
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"Why don't some of you try sitting a higher GCSE paper?"

As someone who holds a biochemistry degree and over 30 years experience in the pharmaceutical industry, gladly.

Not all teachers are created equally, there are good ones and bad ones, just like students.
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08/12/2020 11:18:17 4 4
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A negative headline leads to negative comments. England is in the top 15 of 64 countries in all cases, and Year 5 education has improved. Overall, that's not too bad !
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08/12/2020 11:25:11 2 10
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RobM are you a member of the PROPAGANDA brigade of Brexit-UK's Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government.
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08/12/2020 11:17:24 6 0
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Quality of teaching helps a great deal, if you have teachers that show no enthusiasm then how can you inspire and if they can't convey an understanding of the subject upon their students then that's a double handicap. Good science teachers are worth their weight in gold, there are a lot of bad ones.
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08/12/2020 11:25:58 0 2
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What I meant was... the quality is already there!
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08/12/2020 11:06:36 2 20
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Brexit-UK's Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government does not want an educated population to stay in perennial power
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08/12/2020 11:27:05 0 2
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Scotland will end the UK very soon, so you will have perpetuel Tory governance as Labour need the Scots MP's to form a government and won't get any .
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08/12/2020 12:36:12 2 0
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Fab, close the door on the way out. I'm give you 10 year till you want to come back Boomerang boy
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08/12/2020 20:41:39 0 0
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I hope you get irony; the concept of a government not wanting an educated population, in order to stay in power (cf. SNP), and your inability to spell!
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08/12/2020 11:21:31 3 7
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Woke plans to make everyone win a medal for participating, dumbing down the education system (blair started that one), ensuring everyone can get a place at uni and devaluing the effort required to get there on your own all contribute to this.

Next, 4 more years of Boris, in which case the kids will be dead from vaccine toxicity anyway, or Sir Ikea making them slaves.
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08/12/2020 11:28:25 1 7
bbc
LOL ROFL LOL

"Woke" is Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government PROPAGANDA code for the general population, in otrher words, those of use who are not billionaires who can afford private education for our children and grandchildren.

Notice how the east asian countries appropriately tax the rich to appropriately do public education
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08/12/2020 11:16:56 7 29
bbc
The problem is the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government has created a nightmare bureacracy for appropriately educated, trained, and individuals appropriate character to become teachers or remain in teaching profession.

Our Brexit-UK government prefers to make private education tax free for the elite's children at the expense of defunding public education.
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08/12/2020 11:30:42 6 3
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I have taught science for over 38 years. I received more capitation allowance during the Conservative era than Labour. We had more STEM initiatives during the Conservative time than before- Fact.

It was a Labour council that decided to change from 3-tier to 2 tier- Fact

Blaming a Government of a particular colour is too easy and does not lead to solutions- Opinion but hopefully balanced.
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08/12/2020 20:45:20 0 0
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Polytecnics to Univerisities - was that Thatcher that destryed the once excellent UK university system based on Meritocracy
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09/12/2020 10:58:07 0 0
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ONLY BECAUSE Tory governments have been in power more years during that time.

How GREAT is the received capital expenditure in public education during the current Conservative era CORRECTION Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr era.

stop believing your own PROPAGANDA as you will be found out for not being a Science teacher.
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08/12/2020 11:30:51 0 9
bbc
It appears the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government will do to our NHS what it is successfully achieving with our public education system.

You voted for the government your children and grandchildren deserve,
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08/12/2020 11:32:38 2 11
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These tests akin estimating average STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) intelligence of nation's school population - gives good insight into nation's attainment in provision of public education for the majority of the population who cannot afford private education.

Interesting slip in UK's position occurred during Brexit years - A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME to Brexit-UK ?
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08/12/2020 11:23:29 10 2
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Hmm, I feel you should look at the outdate syllabus we have to teach. In my experience (17yrs) teachers are enthusiastic, but the stuffing is knocked out of them daily by unrealistic targets, bureaucracy and people who, because they've been to school once..know how to teach. I am still enthusiastic, I love my job and the best bit are the kids. Why don't some of you try sitting a higher GCSE paper?
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08/12/2020 11:38:14 8 0
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"Why don't some of you try sitting a higher GCSE paper?"

As someone who holds a biochemistry degree and over 30 years experience in the pharmaceutical industry, gladly.

Not all teachers are created equally, there are good ones and bad ones, just like students.
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08/12/2020 11:48:37 1 0
bbc
Absolutley!
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09/12/2020 14:56:29 0 0
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It is easy to knock teachers if you don't know the story. No-one goes into teaching to do a poor job but the system often makes the job impossible. Shortages, overloaded curricula and having to make-do and mend often result in teachers working outside their subject area, in a poorly equipped room. (Having your own room is a luxury in many schools.). Burn out is also a problem.
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08/12/2020 11:39:07 5 2
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Since the days when we dumbed-down education across the board in the sixties there has been a decline in input and the output.
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08/12/2020 11:42:20 2 8
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Appropriately educating the general population dumbs down consumerism which is not good for billionaire elite stocks.
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08/12/2020 11:39:20 0 7
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is there something FACIST or GOODLY about any government not wanting to appropriately fund, organise and do public education of its general population ?
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08/12/2020 11:41:46 2 2
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In my experience of academia, a career in teaching is not attractive enough. I know several people who have the desire and ability to be excellent teachers. But they chose a different career, they believe teachers are neither respected nor remunerated, well enough.

There are good careers for STEM graduates, which is why we need more of them but also why recruiting them into teaching is difficult.
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08/12/2020 11:46:34 3 8
bbc
What jobs are there for Brexit-UK's STEM graduate youth - the best global companies are closing and moving from UK to EU
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08/12/2020 11:41:59 9 0
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Too many parents in this country don't appreciate the ' free at point of use ' education their children are given or even the purpose of education. They think they will be looked after in life by employers and the state. I come from a family like this. It's about having the right attitude.
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08/12/2020 11:39:07 5 2
bbc
Since the days when we dumbed-down education across the board in the sixties there has been a decline in input and the output.
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08/12/2020 11:42:20 2 8
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Appropriately educating the general population dumbs down consumerism which is not good for billionaire elite stocks.
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08/12/2020 11:43:45 37 2
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There was a time when science lessons were hands on but that's no longer the case. Many schools no longer have the facilities so kids just watch their teacher doing experiments and quickly lose both interest and understanding. Same in D&T, it translates so well to STEM but too many schools have ditched their workshops and switched to languages.
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08/12/2020 11:51:03 13 1
bbc
Totally agree!
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08/12/2020 11:52:56 1 6
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Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government has an ENTITLED-ELITIST approach to education that is NOT based on MERITOCRACY.

Brexit means fewer surviving good businesses offering excellent graduate jobs with appropriate training to the general population who came from normal backgrounds not affording private education.

It jobs for BrexiteEr Billionaire kids & grandkids

Checkout Boris Johnson's government
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08/12/2020 12:40:31 0 0
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It's cheaper to sit kids at desks and write on paper, than get them working hands on doing experiments or actual craft (the C of Craft Design and Technology was dropped) as these require equipment and supplies, and probably a dedicated lab tech - e.g. to prepare the specific concentrations of chemicals etc for a specific lesson.
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08/12/2020 12:58:58 1 0
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Exactly. For a school or college trying to climb league tables on a tight budget, offering expensive and difficult subjects like science is bad for business. They also focus on subjects that lead to high employment and most scientists don't work in science so the value of science education is simply not realised.
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08/12/2020 16:13:14 0 0
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Doubt if theyre any good at languages either
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08/12/2020 16:28:27 2 0
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So true. When I was in the 6th form, 45 years ago, a double period in chemistry, and a double period in physics, was dedicated EVERY WEEK to practical work. It was also more interesting because there weren't namby pamby safety rules sucking the joy out of lab sessions.
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09/12/2020 12:12:30 0 0
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I'm lucky enough to study both DT and Physics at A level at a school that has not done away with practicality completely, but I can confirm that the focus on academic learning may be a contributing factor.
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08/12/2020 11:08:51 5 3
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Ah yes, it's all the BBCs fault and not the schools because I forgot the television was supposed to be your number 1 source of information..... wise up

However, I will agree on a need for more shows on science because lets face it, science and nature are fascinating.
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08/12/2020 11:45:27 2 0
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Well partially yes, hard science is a pitifully small part of the BBC's output and any that there is being so dumbed down makes a 12 year old wince. I found the morning OU programmes inspiring as a child and embarked on a science career as a result wanting to know more.
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08/12/2020 11:41:46 2 2
bbc
In my experience of academia, a career in teaching is not attractive enough. I know several people who have the desire and ability to be excellent teachers. But they chose a different career, they believe teachers are neither respected nor remunerated, well enough.

There are good careers for STEM graduates, which is why we need more of them but also why recruiting them into teaching is difficult.
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08/12/2020 11:46:34 3 8
bbc
What jobs are there for Brexit-UK's STEM graduate youth - the best global companies are closing and moving from UK to EU
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08/12/2020 12:07:23 1 1
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This isn't about Brexit, it is about UK education. There are jobs, more than for arts graduates at least.

Besides, STEM careers tend to be international. 48% of STEM businesses look abroad for talent, largely because we're not training enough people domestically.
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08/12/2020 11:36:55 4 7
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BBC never miss an opportunity to slag off Britain.
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08/12/2020 11:50:45 7 1
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how is factual reporting of statistics slagging off Britain?
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08/12/2020 11:53:50 0 2
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No, just England I think.
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08/12/2020 11:56:06 0 2
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If the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government were to do their job on behalf of the UK population, rather than for example, putting Brexit b4 pandemic and associated collapse, then perhaps there would be little to criticise BrexiteER entitled-elitsts for.
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08/12/2020 11:38:14 8 0
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"Why don't some of you try sitting a higher GCSE paper?"

As someone who holds a biochemistry degree and over 30 years experience in the pharmaceutical industry, gladly.

Not all teachers are created equally, there are good ones and bad ones, just like students.
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08/12/2020 11:48:37 1 0
bbc
Absolutley!
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08/12/2020 11:51:52 3 0
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But, I think a large proportion of the populus would be shocked at the demand of a GCSE or A-Level paper. You only need to look at the grade boundary fiddling to appreciate how hard they are! The problem I am seeing is a lack of investment in vocational courses, as you said not everyone is academic like yourself! There is nothing out there for the less able youngsters!
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08/12/2020 11:36:55 4 7
bbc
BBC never miss an opportunity to slag off Britain.
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08/12/2020 11:50:45 7 1
bbc
how is factual reporting of statistics slagging off Britain?
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08/12/2020 11:43:45 37 2
bbc
There was a time when science lessons were hands on but that's no longer the case. Many schools no longer have the facilities so kids just watch their teacher doing experiments and quickly lose both interest and understanding. Same in D&T, it translates so well to STEM but too many schools have ditched their workshops and switched to languages.
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08/12/2020 11:51:03 13 1
bbc
Totally agree!
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08/12/2020 11:48:37 1 0
bbc
Absolutley!
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08/12/2020 11:51:52 3 0
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But, I think a large proportion of the populus would be shocked at the demand of a GCSE or A-Level paper. You only need to look at the grade boundary fiddling to appreciate how hard they are! The problem I am seeing is a lack of investment in vocational courses, as you said not everyone is academic like yourself! There is nothing out there for the less able youngsters!
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08/12/2020 13:05:36 1 3
bbc
Bencar, I'm absolutely (note the spelling!) sure that Populus is a type of tree, and they are unlikely to be shocked by GCSE results.

I don't think you should be commenting on an education HYS.
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08/12/2020 14:03:03 1 0
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Running a private sector business is often very challenging on a daily basis too, having to overcome a plethora of ever changing problems and challenges. That is why exams should be tough, to set youngsters up for the reality of life. When I took A levels our tutors told us that they were tougher than bachelor degrees, because they were far more intense.
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08/12/2020 11:52:56 5 2
bbc
"Across all countries, the analysis of results found a strong link between good behaviour and high achievement."
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So basically England's secondary pupils have become significantly more unruly and badly behaved, because parents are rubbish at their job and there's nothing positive to say about them? Is that what we are supposed to take away from this article?

Gee, thanks for that...
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08/12/2020 11:57:49 5 5
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No it is about a prevailing FAILURE IN ENGLISH CULTURE TO EDUCATION compared to other countries
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08/12/2020 12:09:48 0 1
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The truth hurts sometimes, but take away from it what you want, preferably the truth!
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08/12/2020 11:43:45 37 2
bbc
There was a time when science lessons were hands on but that's no longer the case. Many schools no longer have the facilities so kids just watch their teacher doing experiments and quickly lose both interest and understanding. Same in D&T, it translates so well to STEM but too many schools have ditched their workshops and switched to languages.
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08/12/2020 11:52:56 1 6
bbc
Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government has an ENTITLED-ELITIST approach to education that is NOT based on MERITOCRACY.

Brexit means fewer surviving good businesses offering excellent graduate jobs with appropriate training to the general population who came from normal backgrounds not affording private education.

It jobs for BrexiteEr Billionaire kids & grandkids

Checkout Boris Johnson's government
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08/12/2020 11:53:23 4 2
bbc
Reported by the same BBC that yesterday claimed that a David Bowie coin lifted to 36.6km by a balloon was in space (100km+) and "orbiting the atmosphere" ... Proof that scientific literacy is in terminal decline!
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08/12/2020 12:00:01 0 7
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Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDA focus on distraction than the issue.

Education in Brexit-UK is a problem that needs to be solved. The solutions are better debated than avoided unless you want a government in power predicated on uneducated masses.
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08/12/2020 11:36:55 4 7
bbc
BBC never miss an opportunity to slag off Britain.
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08/12/2020 11:53:50 0 2
bbc
No, just England I think.
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08/12/2020 11:36:55 4 7
bbc
BBC never miss an opportunity to slag off Britain.
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08/12/2020 11:56:06 0 2
bbc
If the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government were to do their job on behalf of the UK population, rather than for example, putting Brexit b4 pandemic and associated collapse, then perhaps there would be little to criticise BrexiteER entitled-elitsts for.
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08/12/2020 11:52:56 5 2
bbc
"Across all countries, the analysis of results found a strong link between good behaviour and high achievement."
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So basically England's secondary pupils have become significantly more unruly and badly behaved, because parents are rubbish at their job and there's nothing positive to say about them? Is that what we are supposed to take away from this article?

Gee, thanks for that...
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08/12/2020 11:57:49 5 5
bbc
No it is about a prevailing FAILURE IN ENGLISH CULTURE TO EDUCATION compared to other countries
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08/12/2020 11:52:57 2 0
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That's very surprising as everyone seems to have an opinion about the corana virus??
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08/12/2020 12:03:14 0 8
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AND the greatest tragedy of the Covid-19 pandemic and associated economic collapse is the burden being on our youth's future education, career and wellbeing.
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08/12/2020 11:53:23 4 2
bbc
Reported by the same BBC that yesterday claimed that a David Bowie coin lifted to 36.6km by a balloon was in space (100km+) and "orbiting the atmosphere" ... Proof that scientific literacy is in terminal decline!
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08/12/2020 12:00:01 0 7
bbc
Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDA focus on distraction than the issue.

Education in Brexit-UK is a problem that needs to be solved. The solutions are better debated than avoided unless you want a government in power predicated on uneducated masses.
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08/12/2020 12:00:52 0 7
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Isn’t it racist that Asian countries are better at science than others?
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08/12/2020 12:04:35 1 8
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Your comment is a distraction from Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government failures in Brexit-UK public education.
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08/12/2020 12:07:47 0 0
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No, it is just a simple fact.
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08/12/2020 11:52:57 2 0
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That's very surprising as everyone seems to have an opinion about the corana virus??
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08/12/2020 12:03:14 0 8
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AND the greatest tragedy of the Covid-19 pandemic and associated economic collapse is the burden being on our youth's future education, career and wellbeing.
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08/12/2020 12:11:08 1 1
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Live In Hungary now bids are doing ok here mate
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08/12/2020 12:12:02 0 0
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Sorry meant kisd
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08/12/2020 12:12:18 0 0
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Kids
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08/12/2020 12:00:52 0 7
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Isn’t it racist that Asian countries are better at science than others?
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08/12/2020 12:04:35 1 8
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Your comment is a distraction from Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government failures in Brexit-UK public education.
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08/12/2020 12:07:00 0 0
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And your comment is a distraction from sanity
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08/12/2020 12:07:13 12 0
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Since pressure from the media has caused politicians to repeatedly lower the bar on educational standards, it is no surprise we are falling behind.

Do people not realise that whilst lowering pass rates (or exaggerating grades this year, or giving them cheat-sheets next year etc...) increases the number of apparent A grades, we are only kidding ourselves?

Real ability is now measured globally.
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08/12/2020 12:11:01 2 12
bbc
Where are the current and future STEM jobs for our youth when Brexit encourgages the best global companies to move from Brexit-UK to EU ?
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08/12/2020 17:04:19 0 0
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How do you measure ability and how do you measure real ability? Sir Cyril Burt thought that it could be done but is thoroughly discredited. We have yet to devise a way to measure ability. A portfolio of exam results is a narrow measure of achievement.
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08/12/2020 11:46:34 3 8
bbc
What jobs are there for Brexit-UK's STEM graduate youth - the best global companies are closing and moving from UK to EU
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08/12/2020 12:07:23 1 1
bbc
This isn't about Brexit, it is about UK education. There are jobs, more than for arts graduates at least.

Besides, STEM careers tend to be international. 48% of STEM businesses look abroad for talent, largely because we're not training enough people domestically.
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08/12/2020 12:08:00 1 5
bbc
Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government has an ENTITLED-ELITIST approach to education that is NOT based on MERITOCRACY.

Brexit means fewer surviving good businesses offering excellent graduate jobs with appropriate training to the general population who came from normal backgrounds not affording private education.

It jobs for BrexiteEr Billionaire kids & grandkids

Checkout Boris Johnson's government
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08/12/2020 11:22:38 15 61
bbc
ANYTHING TO DO WEITH a Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government maintaining power through ensuring the general poupulation is not educated enough to challenge their attainments in good governance,
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08/12/2020 12:09:54 7 0
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Another budding David Icke with a poured out of your head conspiracy theory, what evidence have you got for this?
PS: I voted remain and more of a lefty in political terms but fed up of rubbish theory's of grand conspiracy's...the Tories are not that clever
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08/12/2020 12:07:13 12 0
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Since pressure from the media has caused politicians to repeatedly lower the bar on educational standards, it is no surprise we are falling behind.

Do people not realise that whilst lowering pass rates (or exaggerating grades this year, or giving them cheat-sheets next year etc...) increases the number of apparent A grades, we are only kidding ourselves?

Real ability is now measured globally.
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08/12/2020 12:11:01 2 12
bbc
Where are the current and future STEM jobs for our youth when Brexit encourgages the best global companies to move from Brexit-UK to EU ?
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08/12/2020 12:03:14 0 8
bbc
AND the greatest tragedy of the Covid-19 pandemic and associated economic collapse is the burden being on our youth's future education, career and wellbeing.
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08/12/2020 12:11:08 1 1
bbc
Live In Hungary now bids are doing ok here mate
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08/12/2020 12:03:14 0 8
bbc
AND the greatest tragedy of the Covid-19 pandemic and associated economic collapse is the burden being on our youth's future education, career and wellbeing.
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08/12/2020 12:12:02 0 0
bbc
Sorry meant kisd
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08/12/2020 12:03:14 0 8
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AND the greatest tragedy of the Covid-19 pandemic and associated economic collapse is the burden being on our youth's future education, career and wellbeing.
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08/12/2020 12:12:18 0 0
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Kids
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08/12/2020 12:13:21 28 1
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Re 'IgiveUp' -............. I wish you would!!
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08/12/2020 13:12:11 9 1
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He/she should give up the internet and take up a job.
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08/12/2020 15:07:50 0 2
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notice how Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDISTS lead by our buffoon for prime minister under instruction from MURDOCH and News Corp removed my post that :

perhaps the government needs poorly funded public education to maintain power by misinformation to an uneducated electorate
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08/12/2020 15:28:21 0 2
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In High PISA test scoring Finland:

Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive.A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 21:32:42 0 1
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shooting the messenger are we?
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08/12/2020 12:14:10 2 1
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"Secondary science: Year 9
1 Singapore 608
2 Taiwan 574
3 Japan 570
4 South Korea 561
5 Russia 543 "
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Is it a coincidence that 4 out of these 5 countries still permit corporal punishment in schools, and the 5th (Japan) banned it only this year (2020)? Just wondering.
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08/12/2020 12:18:56 2 1
bbc
Like dungeons do you Mr 50 shades
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08/12/2020 12:41:30 0 1
bbc
LOL ROFL LOL

So your view is best perfoming schools, universities, research institutions, companies, businesses and government institutions perfom best under corpoal punishment.

YOU SUGGEST SLAVE EDUCATION AND LABOUR ?

Are you serious.
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08/12/2020 12:15:20 24 0
bbc
Funny how the GCSE and A level Grades continue to improve despite the decline in TIMSS attainment.

Then this year's students are apparently going to be given details about what they're going to be tested on, and marked more leniently so that they're not 'disadvantaged' in relation to last year's cohort.

Lost learning, as unfair as it is, should not be being buried in this way.
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08/12/2020 14:11:15 16 1
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I think we should just al be awarded a PhD and be down with it, the entire population. And perhaps we can have a VC while we are at it too!

Dumbing down is pointless, and an insult to people who took exams when they actually meant something.
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08/12/2020 15:14:14 0 1
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We haven't necessarily got worse. It's possible we're getting better (as improvements to exam results suggest) but not in the particular subjects studied. Or that we're getting better, but others are improving more and their pupils are overtaking ours. That would require more study.
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08/12/2020 15:31:53 0 1
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In High PISA test scoring Finland:

Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive.A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 18:25:09 2 0
bbc
when I did my A levels back in 1974 the 3 As and a B I got (all in 'high-content' scientific subjects) were pretty uncommon - nowadays you seem to qualify for an A* if you remember to spell your name correctly
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08/12/2020 20:32:58 1 0
bbc
Completely predictable abdication of responsibilities to appropriately plan the best way to counter all issue associated with the pandenemic

- we have a hopeless Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government that cannot see the wood for the trees due to being lead by a Buffoon for a Prime minister under instruction from MURDOCH and News Corp.
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08/12/2020 12:18:26 15 0
bbc
When the scientifically ignorant views of an actress are given a serious airing:
'Actress Letitia Wright criticised for sharing vaccine doubter's video'

as though it had any importance at all, it's clear that the educational system has singularly failed in her case, at least in the sciences
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08/12/2020 12:22:37 1 12
bbc
Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDA DISTRACTION by evading the issues, reasons, and solutions, to fixing Brexit-UK's public education disaster.
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08/12/2020 10:59:16 42 2
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Science is being attacked every day with wild conspiracy theory’s on social media , kids don’t know what’s true. Why would they want to study a subject that their influencers are always alleging is incorrect so they can hawk their next naff miracle cure?
The cure for conspiracy theory misinformation is "Education, Education, Education".

The problem is the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government power is predicated on ensuring the general population is NOT APPROPRIATELY EDUCATED so defunds public education whilst facilitating tax free education for the ENTITLED-ELITISTS; children & grandchildren

Checkoit education background of Tory government cabinet
Removed
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08/12/2020 12:44:07 5 0
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You are a fool, let's look at Labour.

Oh wait Kier Starmer went to a Grammar School, which then became Independent (Private) whilst he was there!

'IgiveUp' - the clue is in your name, you clearly gave up on learning, facts, wisdom a long time ago. Now toddle off to your local Trotskyite group and remis on the good old days in 1960's Eastern Europe, Power to the Turnips!
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08/12/2020 13:15:10 3 2
bbc
Have you ever been a teacher? No?
Then let me tell you its not a pleasant experience! Not because of Tory Governments, but far LEFT infiltration where there is no discipline and no means of keeping the kids or their parents inline. There are no consequences for bad behaviour!
Therefore I left teaching as there was no pint flogging a dead horse! there is no hope for our secondary school kids
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08/12/2020 12:14:10 2 1
bbc
"Secondary science: Year 9
1 Singapore 608
2 Taiwan 574
3 Japan 570
4 South Korea 561
5 Russia 543 "
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Is it a coincidence that 4 out of these 5 countries still permit corporal punishment in schools, and the 5th (Japan) banned it only this year (2020)? Just wondering.
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08/12/2020 12:18:56 2 1
bbc
Like dungeons do you Mr 50 shades
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08/12/2020 13:40:44 0 0
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Hey, don't knock it. The BBC seem to enjoy giving us middle-Englanders a regular firm and hearty spanking, so who knows; maybe it will prove to be our path to our rightful position as world leaders in secondary science and lots of other things besides.
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08/12/2020 12:21:23 2 2
bbc
Against some pretty tough competition, all in all doing very well, always room for improvement of course.

I wonder where Scotland is on these charts Nicola?
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08/12/2020 12:24:56 2 4
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Living in ENGLAND I would rather the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government focuses in fixing ENGLISH FAILURES IN EDUCATION relative to rest of the world
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08/12/2020 12:18:26 15 0
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When the scientifically ignorant views of an actress are given a serious airing:
'Actress Letitia Wright criticised for sharing vaccine doubter's video'

as though it had any importance at all, it's clear that the educational system has singularly failed in her case, at least in the sciences
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08/12/2020 12:22:37 1 12
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Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDA DISTRACTION by evading the issues, reasons, and solutions, to fixing Brexit-UK's public education disaster.
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08/12/2020 11:22:38 15 61
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ANYTHING TO DO WEITH a Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government maintaining power through ensuring the general poupulation is not educated enough to challenge their attainments in good governance,
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08/12/2020 12:04:35 1 8
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Your comment is a distraction from Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government failures in Brexit-UK public education.
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08/12/2020 12:07:00 0 0
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And your comment is a distraction from sanity
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08/12/2020 12:00:52 0 7
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Isn’t it racist that Asian countries are better at science than others?
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08/12/2020 12:07:47 0 0
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No, it is just a simple fact.
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08/12/2020 12:21:23 2 2
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Against some pretty tough competition, all in all doing very well, always room for improvement of course.

I wonder where Scotland is on these charts Nicola?
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08/12/2020 12:24:56 2 4
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Living in ENGLAND I would rather the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government focuses in fixing ENGLISH FAILURES IN EDUCATION relative to rest of the world
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08/12/2020 12:33:23 1 0
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I'm going to remove the Caps key from your keyboard NOW!!!!!
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08/12/2020 10:59:16 42 2
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Science is being attacked every day with wild conspiracy theory’s on social media , kids don’t know what’s true. Why would they want to study a subject that their influencers are always alleging is incorrect so they can hawk their next naff miracle cure?
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08/12/2020 12:27:16 0 4
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How much of the conspiracy theories are owned by Totry Trumpist BrexiteEr government PROPAGANDA
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08/12/2020 12:31:19 2 0
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You could get a job on the Trump team, stop making things up, Billy
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08/12/2020 12:27:30 6 1
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Good science teachers tend to be good scientists too.

When you consider that countries like the USA value STEM employees to the point where mid career salaries commonly exceed £100k, it’s hardly surprising that so much of our talent emigrates and never considers teaching as a profession.

We have some brilliant STEM teachers, BUT the Brain Drain creates opportunities for some who should not teach
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08/12/2020 13:07:35 3 0
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Nevertheless, academic science in the USA is struggling due to chronic underfunding. As academic science falls apart so will comemrcial industry, eventually.
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08/12/2020 13:49:30 1 0
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Famous quote from Harold Wilson in 1964: "a new Britain will be created in the white heat of technology". At this time, numerous factories, mines and railways were closing all over the place. Plus c'est la meme chose.
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08/12/2020 11:06:41 54 9
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This is simply a reflection of the general drop in standards in England. No longer do we stand for excellence. We now stand for doing what's easy and assuming someone else will do the difficult stuff.
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08/12/2020 12:29:59 4 0
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Your comment is utter drivel

The past 20 years England and NI in particular have seen significant improvements against a backdrop of very stiff international competition & a headwind of unprecedented influx of non-English speaking students

Labour & Conservative Gov's played their part but the real hard work has been done at the Teacher/Pupil and Ofsted level who have all worked tirelessly
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08/12/2020 11:52:56 5 2
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"Across all countries, the analysis of results found a strong link between good behaviour and high achievement."
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So basically England's secondary pupils have become significantly more unruly and badly behaved, because parents are rubbish at their job and there's nothing positive to say about them? Is that what we are supposed to take away from this article?

Gee, thanks for that...
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08/12/2020 12:09:48 0 1
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The truth hurts sometimes, but take away from it what you want, preferably the truth!
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How much of the conspiracy theories are owned by Totry Trumpist BrexiteEr government PROPAGANDA
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08/12/2020 12:31:19 2 0
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You could get a job on the Trump team, stop making things up, Billy
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08/12/2020 15:29:13 1 0
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In High PISA test scoring Finland:

Both primary and secondary teachers must have a master's degree to qualify. Teaching is a respected profession and entrance to university programs is highly competitive.A prospective teacher must have very good grades and must combat fierce opposition in order to become a teacher. Only about 10% of applicants to certain programs are successful.
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08/12/2020 12:32:03 15 1
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Key Takeaway? well-behaved classrooms promote the best learning. In my day, homework was compulsory and learning was too. It didn't need corporal punishment, but if something hadn't been learned when teacher came to test you (daily) then there would be detention until that was learned. If necessary detention every break and after-school until the end of school. It was compulsory to get it correct.
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08/12/2020 12:37:41 14 5
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How do you address the appropriately motivated children in schools controlled by the mindless badly behaved anti-social minority, who are the current or future criminals in many cases.
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08/12/2020 12:24:56 2 4
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Living in ENGLAND I would rather the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government focuses in fixing ENGLISH FAILURES IN EDUCATION relative to rest of the world
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08/12/2020 12:33:23 1 0
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I'm going to remove the Caps key from your keyboard NOW!!!!!
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08/12/2020 12:34:48 1 0
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Damn Russia, kind based.
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08/12/2020 12:38:23 2 4
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Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr distraction ?
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08/12/2020 12:34:59 2 4
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the quandary to be debated, assuming the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government with their children being educated in private fee paying schools, were ever to take public education in Brexit-UK seriously, is should funding focus on training and paying the:

best STEM graduates to become and stay being teachers

OR

teachers to become and stay being teachers with best subject knowledge
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08/12/2020 11:27:05 0 2
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Scotland will end the UK very soon, so you will have perpetuel Tory governance as Labour need the Scots MP's to form a government and won't get any .
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08/12/2020 12:36:12 2 0
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Fab, close the door on the way out. I'm give you 10 year till you want to come back Boomerang boy
Consider private education for your children and grandchildren - oh dear you cannot afford it.

You voted for the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government that facilitates a future by way of private education for their kids and not your kids.
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08/12/2020 12:36:18 3 3
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Many put their Children into Private schooling do NOT come from wealthy backgrounds & make incredible sacrifices to do so, others choose to spend their money on the latest Car, House, mobile device or Sky Package

The politics of hate and envy were kicked in to touch at the last election, you've learned nothing.

Perhaps YOU & YOUR type of attitude are the problem, back to school for you!
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08/12/2020 14:19:36 0 1
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Is it politics of envy to prefer a system of MERITOCRACY over NEPOTISM

Understand the loss of potential gifted talent lost through a lazy approach to public education - something not lost upon East Asian countries.
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08/12/2020 16:03:19 0 0
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How many families on unemployment benfits or low income families earning average wages send their children to private schools

How many fami,lies forced to use food banks send their children to private schools.

NO, its you and your attitude that is the real problem

Brexit-UK is going to need all resources to compete in the global economy especially approriately public school educated poor kids
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08/12/2020 12:32:03 15 1
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Key Takeaway? well-behaved classrooms promote the best learning. In my day, homework was compulsory and learning was too. It didn't need corporal punishment, but if something hadn't been learned when teacher came to test you (daily) then there would be detention until that was learned. If necessary detention every break and after-school until the end of school. It was compulsory to get it correct.
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08/12/2020 12:37:41 14 5
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How do you address the appropriately motivated children in schools controlled by the mindless badly behaved anti-social minority, who are the current or future criminals in many cases.
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08/12/2020 14:16:15 4 0
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Grammar schools! The true way to social mobility.
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08/12/2020 14:21:08 3 0
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Good lord, a moment of sanity! I assume that you mean by "the mindless badly behaved anti-social minority, who are the current or future criminals in many cases." the parents of the worst behaved children?
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08/12/2020 12:38:12 34 4
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Science is the ONLY subject that really matters. The mentality of the UK (and indeed elsewhere) can be seen on how science is prioritised, even in the News. A scientist dies - a brief comment is made in the News. A footballer dies and we hear about it as headline News for a week - and people in the streets crying. This prioritising of sports personalities is a stupid trait in society.
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08/12/2020 12:45:27 5 20
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AND our Buffon for a Prime Minister will tell you that during his Oxford University days studying the Classics, it was history and NOT the prevailing times, that honoured gladiators and warriors more than philosophers.

He would not have learned that studying a STEM subject for a degree !

LOL ROFL LOL
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08/12/2020 14:15:04 4 0
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English and maths too, as they allow you to articulate and communicate science.
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08/12/2020 12:34:48 1 0
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Damn Russia, kind based.
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08/12/2020 12:38:23 2 4
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Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr distraction ?
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08/12/2020 11:43:45 37 2
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There was a time when science lessons were hands on but that's no longer the case. Many schools no longer have the facilities so kids just watch their teacher doing experiments and quickly lose both interest and understanding. Same in D&T, it translates so well to STEM but too many schools have ditched their workshops and switched to languages.
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08/12/2020 12:40:31 0 0
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It's cheaper to sit kids at desks and write on paper, than get them working hands on doing experiments or actual craft (the C of Craft Design and Technology was dropped) as these require equipment and supplies, and probably a dedicated lab tech - e.g. to prepare the specific concentrations of chemicals etc for a specific lesson.
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08/12/2020 12:14:10 2 1
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"Secondary science: Year 9
1 Singapore 608
2 Taiwan 574
3 Japan 570
4 South Korea 561
5 Russia 543 "
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Is it a coincidence that 4 out of these 5 countries still permit corporal punishment in schools, and the 5th (Japan) banned it only this year (2020)? Just wondering.
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08/12/2020 12:41:30 0 1
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LOL ROFL LOL

So your view is best perfoming schools, universities, research institutions, companies, businesses and government institutions perfom best under corpoal punishment.

YOU SUGGEST SLAVE EDUCATION AND LABOUR ?

Are you serious.
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08/12/2020 12:42:40 5 3
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"The overall results show a strong link between safe, well-behaved classrooms and high achievement, say the organisers of the international tests.

Head teachers' leader Geoff Barton said the dip in secondary science in England could reflect the difficulty that schools face in recruiting and retaining science teachers."

Blame recruitment, not behaviour in classes? Maybe they're linked?
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08/12/2020 12:46:56 1 4
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Best comment yet that has educated me on this subject. Others please do the same.
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08/12/2020 13:53:26 1 0
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But is it not the behaviour that stops recruitment and more importantly retention in teaching.

Most people I know who have left blame it on the behaviour.
The cure for conspiracy theory misinformation is "Education, Education, Education".

The problem is the Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government power is predicated on ensuring the general population is NOT APPROPRIATELY EDUCATED so defunds public education whilst facilitating tax free education for the ENTITLED-ELITISTS; children & grandchildren

Checkoit education background of Tory government cabinet
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08/12/2020 12:44:07 5 0
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You are a fool, let's look at Labour.

Oh wait Kier Starmer went to a Grammar School, which then became Independent (Private) whilst he was there!

'IgiveUp' - the clue is in your name, you clearly gave up on learning, facts, wisdom a long time ago. Now toddle off to your local Trotskyite group and remis on the good old days in 1960's Eastern Europe, Power to the Turnips!
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08/12/2020 15:10:35 0 0
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notice how Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr PROPAGANDISTS lead by our buffoon for prime minister under instruction from MURDOCH and News Corp removed my post that :

perhaps the government needs poorly funded public education to maintain power by misinformation to an uneducated electorate
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08/12/2020 16:16:55 0 0
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Doesn't it upset you that COMMUNIST China:

- educates its population better than Brexit-UK

- has more successful Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics based businesses than Brexit-UK

- has more power on the global stage than Brexit-UK

- is a country with longer civilisation including history of religion, science and philosophy than Brexit-UK

It is MERITOCRACY over NEPOTISM buddy !
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08/12/2020 12:38:12 34 4
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Science is the ONLY subject that really matters. The mentality of the UK (and indeed elsewhere) can be seen on how science is prioritised, even in the News. A scientist dies - a brief comment is made in the News. A footballer dies and we hear about it as headline News for a week - and people in the streets crying. This prioritising of sports personalities is a stupid trait in society.
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08/12/2020 12:45:27 5 20
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AND our Buffon for a Prime Minister will tell you that during his Oxford University days studying the Classics, it was history and NOT the prevailing times, that honoured gladiators and warriors more than philosophers.

He would not have learned that studying a STEM subject for a degree !

LOL ROFL LOL
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08/12/2020 14:15:38 2 1
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Did your great leader Jeremy do well at university?
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08/12/2020 20:08:01 0 1
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Nothing to do with Class Warriors then? Power to the people.....................
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08/12/2020 12:42:40 5 3
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"The overall results show a strong link between safe, well-behaved classrooms and high achievement, say the organisers of the international tests.

Head teachers' leader Geoff Barton said the dip in secondary science in England could reflect the difficulty that schools face in recruiting and retaining science teachers."

Blame recruitment, not behaviour in classes? Maybe they're linked?
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08/12/2020 12:46:56 1 4
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Best comment yet that has educated me on this subject. Others please do the same.
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08/12/2020 12:46:59 2 0
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This is a complex issue. First of all, what do the international tests really measure? A test can only grade what it measures. Are we talking about creative problem solving, logic tests, verbal reasoning, reading graphs, understanding ecosystems, commercial science, molecular biology, ... ?
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08/12/2020 12:59:13 0 2
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I am quite sure all that is being covered in these international STEM tests Brexit-UK kids are underperforming in