'Dubai a fitting finale for 2020 season'
07/12/2020 | sport | golf | 97
The European Tour deserves huge praise for crafting a season out of the ruins of 2020's coronavirus-dominated year, writes Iain Carter.
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07/12/2020 16:48:33 4 8
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Winners prize money should go to charities, none of those taking part need it
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07/12/2020 18:09:28 15 0
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Why's that??

Do you send all your monthly pay cheque to charity??????
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08/12/2020 21:58:17 0 0
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Read a book called "A four iron in your soul". That does a very good job of articulating how difficult it is to be a successful professional golfer, and to make an actual living. Imagine knowing that making a putt on the final hole of the weekend is the difference between paying your mortgage or not.... Not every pro is a multi millionaire. If someone wins they deserve the prize money.
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07/12/2020 17:11:28 28 1
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Off topic but although I've only a passing interest in golf I always admired Peter Alliss - he had a very dry wit and was mischievous in a very polite and engaging way. A style that is rarely encountered these days and something I suspect many people will miss.
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07/12/2020 19:01:42 14 2
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Well said - he was fabulous and fun
a) Allis was a fine commentator in his day, but his day passed about 20 years ago.

b) Considering BBC show no golf I don't think the loss will be significant from a broadcasting perspective.

Getting back on topic, I really don't see how this is done sort of achievement. The quality of field has been laughable every week since the restart and this must be the worst final line up ever.
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07/12/2020 17:12:27 38 3
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Shame on you BBC for having no HYS on the passing of the great Peter Alliss, and he was a BBC employee !!!

I know this is off topic but RIP Peter you were one of a kind and we will not see your like again.
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07/12/2020 21:29:34 7 2
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Absolutely, BBC have no clue!
Peter was simply the greatest!! RIP.
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08/12/2020 10:02:31 1 1
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Shame on the BBC for not having an HYS for Peter, they will remove this comment and I will keep posting it
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08/12/2020 10:07:27 3 1
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Yep back we come again, shame on you BBC for not ahving a Ptere Allis HYS

Shows the respect you had for him, but the rest of us feel differently
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07/12/2020 17:24:01 12 6
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Am I being a little over zealous or do Norway now have the best golfer and best football players in the world?

Haaland and Hovland are making us very proud indeed.
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07/12/2020 17:32:37 8 3
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And some of the best rally drivers.
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07/12/2020 17:59:26 2 2
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Not like you Maksi ??.

Yes be a some what different Finale as they say but be done and dusted.

Intheclouds appropriately named to lead a tribute comment to a great Golfer and Commentator.
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08/12/2020 00:09:33 2 1
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Very promising young tennis player too - soon be in the top 20.
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08/12/2020 18:24:26 1 1
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Deluded more like ????????
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07/12/2020 17:24:01 12 6
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Am I being a little over zealous or do Norway now have the best golfer and best football players in the world?

Haaland and Hovland are making us very proud indeed.
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07/12/2020 17:32:37 8 3
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And some of the best rally drivers.
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07/12/2020 17:55:52 2 1
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Will the Middle East tour conclude at St Andrews ? At least it shouldn't be too affected by rain. A good gig to cover if your in the media
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07/12/2020 17:58:14 29 1
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RIP Peter Alliss
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07/12/2020 19:00:10 14 1
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Well said - Condolences to his wife and family - wonderful commentator
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07/12/2020 17:24:01 12 6
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Am I being a little over zealous or do Norway now have the best golfer and best football players in the world?

Haaland and Hovland are making us very proud indeed.
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07/12/2020 17:59:26 2 2
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Not like you Maksi ??.

Yes be a some what different Finale as they say but be done and dusted.

Intheclouds appropriately named to lead a tribute comment to a great Golfer and Commentator.
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07/12/2020 18:11:09 2 5
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Evening dunc. Just been playing golf myself. With a headtorch strapped to my sweed which allows me to see the ball between my feet, but boy oh boy does one have to play well, crunching the ball into total darkness.

Loads of respect to all the Pros around the world who have been giving us some thrilling tournaments to enjoy. Apart from Rory, everybody else seems to be shooting around 62 or 63.
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07/12/2020 16:48:33 4 8
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Winners prize money should go to charities, none of those taking part need it
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07/12/2020 18:09:28 15 0
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Why's that??

Do you send all your monthly pay cheque to charity??????
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07/12/2020 17:59:26 2 2
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Not like you Maksi ??.

Yes be a some what different Finale as they say but be done and dusted.

Intheclouds appropriately named to lead a tribute comment to a great Golfer and Commentator.
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07/12/2020 18:11:09 2 5
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Evening dunc. Just been playing golf myself. With a headtorch strapped to my sweed which allows me to see the ball between my feet, but boy oh boy does one have to play well, crunching the ball into total darkness.

Loads of respect to all the Pros around the world who have been giving us some thrilling tournaments to enjoy. Apart from Rory, everybody else seems to be shooting around 62 or 63.
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07/12/2020 18:43:28 1 3
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Evening Maksi ... Even on here you be double checked ????.

Fair play too you yes dry and crisp in blighty so not bad weather until the Frosts settle in.

Catch up on HYS Cricket hopefully.

Enjoy your Golf.
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07/12/2020 18:13:06 5 7
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This article is a VERY sad day for BBC journalism
Players who have not made a single token appearance in Europe are being included in its Dubai field. Still at least with no McIlroy in field we spared the usual hype
Europe's stars now play pgartour and things won't ever change back to days when Eiropeantour was strong
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07/12/2020 17:12:27 38 3
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Shame on you BBC for having no HYS on the passing of the great Peter Alliss, and he was a BBC employee !!!

I know this is off topic but RIP Peter you were one of a kind and we will not see your like again.
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07/12/2020 18:32:36 14 3
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The article states it’s a shame there will be no fans?? There’s never any fans in Dubai other than corporate. It’s a farce of a tournament. At least China and Japan etc are producing golfers and fans.
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07/12/2020 20:36:15 3 1
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hmm, think I must have been dreaming last year then
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07/12/2020 18:34:00 2 1
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someone with a beard will win it.they usually do
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07/12/2020 18:11:09 2 5
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Evening dunc. Just been playing golf myself. With a headtorch strapped to my sweed which allows me to see the ball between my feet, but boy oh boy does one have to play well, crunching the ball into total darkness.

Loads of respect to all the Pros around the world who have been giving us some thrilling tournaments to enjoy. Apart from Rory, everybody else seems to be shooting around 62 or 63.
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07/12/2020 18:43:28 1 3
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Evening Maksi ... Even on here you be double checked ????.

Fair play too you yes dry and crisp in blighty so not bad weather until the Frosts settle in.

Catch up on HYS Cricket hopefully.

Enjoy your Golf.
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07/12/2020 17:58:14 29 1
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RIP Peter Alliss
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07/12/2020 19:00:10 14 1
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Well said - Condolences to his wife and family - wonderful commentator
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07/12/2020 17:11:28 28 1
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Off topic but although I've only a passing interest in golf I always admired Peter Alliss - he had a very dry wit and was mischievous in a very polite and engaging way. A style that is rarely encountered these days and something I suspect many people will miss.
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07/12/2020 19:01:42 14 2
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Well said - he was fabulous and fun
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07/12/2020 19:28:21 0 9
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Big names missing, fans missing, another asterisk added...real champions win when under pressure in front of the masses, until that happens ?? ??????
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07/12/2020 20:37:30 2 0
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winning a golf tournament is never easy and highly pressurised, fans or not
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08/12/2020 08:02:51 1 0
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If it’s that easy to win, maybe enter yourself ... so to speak
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07/12/2020 18:34:00 2 1
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someone with a beard will win it.they usually do
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07/12/2020 19:35:05 8 6
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Big bob mac will stroll it, the best kid on the block.????????
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07/12/2020 20:32:13 17 3
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I must say I am staggered that the likes of Morikawa and Hovland qualify for the grand final when they haven't actually played a proper European event. I think Hovland maybe played one but there entry is primarily based on there performance in the 3 majors in the US where they play their golf. This should be the final for the players who primarily ply their trade on the European tour.
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08/12/2020 12:29:05 0 2
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first of all you have to take up membership on the ET which is a signal of intent in itself. Tiger or Phil were never EU No1 as they never took up membership. Monty might only have won a handful of OOM's if Tiger had been a member of the tour. Its unfortunately a sign of the times that the majors and WGC count as euro events and they only have to play a handful of other events like Saudi, dubai
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07/12/2020 18:32:36 14 3
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The article states it’s a shame there will be no fans?? There’s never any fans in Dubai other than corporate. It’s a farce of a tournament. At least China and Japan etc are producing golfers and fans.
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07/12/2020 20:36:15 3 1
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hmm, think I must have been dreaming last year then
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07/12/2020 19:28:21 0 9
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Big names missing, fans missing, another asterisk added...real champions win when under pressure in front of the masses, until that happens ?? ??????
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07/12/2020 20:37:30 2 0
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winning a golf tournament is never easy and highly pressurised, fans or not
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08/12/2020 18:16:13 0 0
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Yeah of course it is lol
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07/12/2020 20:45:07 11 5
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Morikawa has no idea where Europe is, ridiculous he is eligible for the Tour
great for golf
How come no hys on athletics ever
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07/12/2020 22:27:50 4 0
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Because athletics is corrupt and drug-fuelled, has no credibility, and people only watch it once every four years
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07/12/2020 21:28:06 4 1
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"European Tour reaching Race to Dubai finale" Been going on for a while I think but is it astonishing because that makes no sense whatsoever? Golf, like all sports, should be global and is more than than many others-ish but surely they should change the name, how can a 'European Tour' end in Dubai, did they get lost?
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07/12/2020 17:12:27 38 3
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Shame on you BBC for having no HYS on the passing of the great Peter Alliss, and he was a BBC employee !!!

I know this is off topic but RIP Peter you were one of a kind and we will not see your like again.
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07/12/2020 21:29:34 7 2
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Absolutely, BBC have no clue!
Peter was simply the greatest!! RIP.
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07/12/2020 21:41:28 15 1
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RIP Peter Alliss, the voice of golf, up there with the late Alex Hay. The soundtrack to all the best moments - ‘It’s not a million miles away, is it’. Sam Torrance holing that putt in the sun at the Belfry 85. 5 top 10s in the Open.
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08/12/2020 13:44:37 1 0
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or

'you little beauty' when Seve holed it from 35 feet

One thing you can say is that in the ryder cup he was fair to both sides even though he deeply wanted the European side to win. There was never any favouritism, which is a unique skill in itself
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07/12/2020 21:42:36 4 3
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The ET still offer ‘appearance fees’....... So Morikawa is just the latest in a long line!
If you love the ET so much then you should be more worried with the players who are not playing!
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07/12/2020 21:56:23 3 7
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Only thinking about the players that are playing, as always, and wishing Patrick Reed all the best. He is box office and a great player to boot. What a short game.

Most of these European boys would go across to America, on those play station pitch and putt courses, hitting driver and wedge, and wipe the floor with the so called best in the world. That I am absolutely convinced of.
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07/12/2020 21:42:36 4 3
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The ET still offer ‘appearance fees’....... So Morikawa is just the latest in a long line!
If you love the ET so much then you should be more worried with the players who are not playing!
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07/12/2020 21:56:23 3 7
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Only thinking about the players that are playing, as always, and wishing Patrick Reed all the best. He is box office and a great player to boot. What a short game.

Most of these European boys would go across to America, on those play station pitch and putt courses, hitting driver and wedge, and wipe the floor with the so called best in the world. That I am absolutely convinced of.
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07/12/2020 22:24:09 4 6
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Amusing that you wish a cheat all the best but then have an issue with homegrown players that have irked you because of something they said.

He should have been banned for life with what he’s done. But feel free to pull one off over a cheat, you’re probably of the same ilk when ploughing your way to 120 but 98 on the scorecard.
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08/12/2020 07:19:33 1 3
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Except when they do they disappear without a trace - but when the Yanks come over here they tend to do very well.
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07/12/2020 21:56:23 3 7
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Only thinking about the players that are playing, as always, and wishing Patrick Reed all the best. He is box office and a great player to boot. What a short game.

Most of these European boys would go across to America, on those play station pitch and putt courses, hitting driver and wedge, and wipe the floor with the so called best in the world. That I am absolutely convinced of.
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07/12/2020 22:24:09 4 6
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Amusing that you wish a cheat all the best but then have an issue with homegrown players that have irked you because of something they said.

He should have been banned for life with what he’s done. But feel free to pull one off over a cheat, you’re probably of the same ilk when ploughing your way to 120 but 98 on the scorecard.
great for golf
How come no hys on athletics ever
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07/12/2020 22:27:50 4 0
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Because athletics is corrupt and drug-fuelled, has no credibility, and people only watch it once every four years
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07/12/2020 22:31:15 1 5
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Not a fan of the course. Having played it a few times, Emirates is a way better course, much more enjoyable.

Dubai creek used to be fun until they kept pinching more land from the course to build more villas.
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07/12/2020 17:11:28 28 1
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Off topic but although I've only a passing interest in golf I always admired Peter Alliss - he had a very dry wit and was mischievous in a very polite and engaging way. A style that is rarely encountered these days and something I suspect many people will miss.
a) Allis was a fine commentator in his day, but his day passed about 20 years ago.

b) Considering BBC show no golf I don't think the loss will be significant from a broadcasting perspective.

Getting back on topic, I really don't see how this is done sort of achievement. The quality of field has been laughable every week since the restart and this must be the worst final line up ever.
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07/12/2020 22:43:10 18 1
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Sorry to hear about Peter Alliss. A consummate professional in everything he did and who with Alex Hay made the best ever commentary team.
He would be appalled by the selfish behaviour of some of today's golfers who have chosen not to play in the season finale in Dubai.

RIP Peter. Golf will be the poorer for your passing.

Condolences to your family and close friends!
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
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Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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07/12/2020 17:24:01 12 6
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Am I being a little over zealous or do Norway now have the best golfer and best football players in the world?

Haaland and Hovland are making us very proud indeed.
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08/12/2020 00:09:33 2 1
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Very promising young tennis player too - soon be in the top 20.
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08/12/2020 06:28:51 2 1
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We couldn't believe the Nadal family have taken him under their wing too. Happy days endwether.
I'am a bit out of touch nowadays with all these so called modern sayings, forgive me but does LGBT stand for a gardening term Lets Grow Big Tomatoes, or am I missing something new? I saw item on BBC Pea Pod Cast. Removed
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08/12/2020 00:09:33 2 1
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Very promising young tennis player too - soon be in the top 20.
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08/12/2020 06:28:51 2 1
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We couldn't believe the Nadal family have taken him under their wing too. Happy days endwether.
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07/12/2020 22:43:10 18 1
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Sorry to hear about Peter Alliss. A consummate professional in everything he did and who with Alex Hay made the best ever commentary team.
He would be appalled by the selfish behaviour of some of today's golfers who have chosen not to play in the season finale in Dubai.

RIP Peter. Golf will be the poorer for your passing.

Condolences to your family and close friends!
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
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Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 07:48:48 12 0
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Nice respect for the departed there, fella. I hope you’re proud of yourself and that that made you feel good.
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08/12/2020 08:05:39 12 0
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Not in my name. Unbelievably crass comment.
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08/12/2020 08:07:48 11 0
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Thanks for your insight there, which will be completely ignored by....everyone
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08/12/2020 09:41:36 3 0
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Tuss.
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08/12/2020 09:56:13 6 0
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The only embarrasment here, is you idiotic self
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08/12/2020 09:57:36 7 0
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As you say..."please stop"...and take yourself back to the soccer pages where pitiful and disrespectful people like you belong.
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08/12/2020 11:52:31 1 6
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Afraid I have to agree here...Alliss was way past his sell by date as a commentator. Who cares if Major Double -Barreledname sent him a letter saying he was having sherry and cake for tea....concentrate on the golf and try and remember the names of the players.
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08/12/2020 11:54:20 3 1
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My 94 year old mother disagrees with you. Yes she will concede that he was no sycophant of the modern best players, but, when BBC used to cover every player on the course, he knew them all. I often found him pompous but he was coherent and his work on ABC in the US made their other commentators sound unprofessional. However, for me, Longhurst was peerless like Bill McLaren.
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08/12/2020 15:23:28 2 0
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Agree, he is somewhat of the 'better in my day' school, but not a decent commentator! What a load of accoutrements.

(My favourite ever piece of commentary is his 'If my aunt had certain accoutrements, she'd be my uncle.')
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08/12/2020 16:09:54 1 0
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
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07/12/2020 21:56:23 3 7
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Only thinking about the players that are playing, as always, and wishing Patrick Reed all the best. He is box office and a great player to boot. What a short game.

Most of these European boys would go across to America, on those play station pitch and putt courses, hitting driver and wedge, and wipe the floor with the so called best in the world. That I am absolutely convinced of.
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08/12/2020 07:19:33 1 3
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Except when they do they disappear without a trace - but when the Yanks come over here they tend to do very well.
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08/12/2020 08:00:22 3 0
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Europeans disappear without a trace in the US? You’d better explain that to all the Europeans who are thriving over there, including the bloke who won last weekend and the one who was PGA player of the decade for the 2010’s.

Some have struggled, some have not. Same as those on any tour.
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08/12/2020 07:21:53 2 1
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Another thread with British inferiority complex rearing its ugly head.

We get it, the Yanks have dominates the English speaking world for a century or so whilst the Empire collapsed. But do keep it quiet old boy.
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08/12/2020 07:44:41 8 1
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No Golf on national TV anymore and the result is interest plummets, followed by lower attendances and participation. This is what happened to Cricket when they sold out to Sky. There is always a price to be paid for greed.
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08/12/2020 07:53:43 4 3
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Any data to back that up?

Golf participation and memberships were already increasing over the past few years, and both have increased significantly this year.

Football hasn’t exactly struggled since moving to subscription channels.

Yes it’s a pity goof isn’t on terrestrial tv, but the free channels can’t afford too sport any more
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08/12/2020 14:43:45 1 0
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and F1 & Tennis. Easy lesson to be learned.
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
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Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 07:48:48 12 0
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Nice respect for the departed there, fella. I hope you’re proud of yourself and that that made you feel good.
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08/12/2020 07:44:41 8 1
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No Golf on national TV anymore and the result is interest plummets, followed by lower attendances and participation. This is what happened to Cricket when they sold out to Sky. There is always a price to be paid for greed.
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08/12/2020 07:53:43 4 3
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Any data to back that up?

Golf participation and memberships were already increasing over the past few years, and both have increased significantly this year.

Football hasn’t exactly struggled since moving to subscription channels.

Yes it’s a pity goof isn’t on terrestrial tv, but the free channels can’t afford too sport any more
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08/12/2020 08:35:18 2 0
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Fair comment but we all know why as Greed by the Sporting Authorities if the sport from Football, Golf , cricket and many more.

Yes a shame as be good for sport to be made accessible to all to either keep people interested or start new interests of people.
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08/12/2020 07:19:33 1 3
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Except when they do they disappear without a trace - but when the Yanks come over here they tend to do very well.
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08/12/2020 08:00:22 3 0
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Europeans disappear without a trace in the US? You’d better explain that to all the Europeans who are thriving over there, including the bloke who won last weekend and the one who was PGA player of the decade for the 2010’s.

Some have struggled, some have not. Same as those on any tour.
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07/12/2020 19:28:21 0 9
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Big names missing, fans missing, another asterisk added...real champions win when under pressure in front of the masses, until that happens ?? ??????
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08/12/2020 08:02:51 1 0
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If it’s that easy to win, maybe enter yourself ... so to speak
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08/12/2020 18:20:15 0 0
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Who said it's easy, I would say it's easier without the presence of fans, that's a no brainer what don't you get ??
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
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Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 08:05:39 12 0
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Not in my name. Unbelievably crass comment.
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
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Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 08:07:48 11 0
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Thanks for your insight there, which will be completely ignored by....everyone
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08/12/2020 08:20:19 1 7
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With the odd exception most of the players on the ET are so inconsistent ranking and form count for nothing and anyone can win. From a betting perspective I equate it to League 2 Football or a Class 5 Handicap at Lingfield and treat with extreme caution. Reed seems the form and class act in this field but I wouldn't get heavily involved.
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08/12/2020 08:25:17 14 0
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Perhaps just enjoy watching the golf then instead of solely viewing it from a gambling perspective.
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08/12/2020 08:20:19 1 7
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With the odd exception most of the players on the ET are so inconsistent ranking and form count for nothing and anyone can win. From a betting perspective I equate it to League 2 Football or a Class 5 Handicap at Lingfield and treat with extreme caution. Reed seems the form and class act in this field but I wouldn't get heavily involved.
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08/12/2020 08:25:17 14 0
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Perhaps just enjoy watching the golf then instead of solely viewing it from a gambling perspective.
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08/12/2020 08:30:20 10 2
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Rory, Justin & Paul.........who knows, perhaps they'll come over for the Open. The ET is the tour that helped launch them on to the world stage. Surely it's not too much for them to support the European Tours' Grand Finale event?
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08/12/2020 07:53:43 4 3
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Any data to back that up?

Golf participation and memberships were already increasing over the past few years, and both have increased significantly this year.

Football hasn’t exactly struggled since moving to subscription channels.

Yes it’s a pity goof isn’t on terrestrial tv, but the free channels can’t afford too sport any more
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08/12/2020 08:35:18 2 0
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Fair comment but we all know why as Greed by the Sporting Authorities if the sport from Football, Golf , cricket and many more.

Yes a shame as be good for sport to be made accessible to all to either keep people interested or start new interests of people.
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08/12/2020 08:50:13 2 0
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Yeah, all professional sports are chasing money. But terrestrial channels simply can’t afford top level professional sport, those days are gone.

Golf participation and attendances are not plummeting though, as Margaret suggested. People keep saying this and the facts say otherwise.
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08/12/2020 08:35:18 2 0
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Fair comment but we all know why as Greed by the Sporting Authorities if the sport from Football, Golf , cricket and many more.

Yes a shame as be good for sport to be made accessible to all to either keep people interested or start new interests of people.
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08/12/2020 08:50:13 2 0
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Yeah, all professional sports are chasing money. But terrestrial channels simply can’t afford top level professional sport, those days are gone.

Golf participation and attendances are not plummeting though, as Margaret suggested. People keep saying this and the facts say otherwise.
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08/12/2020 09:10:41 1 0
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I know hence my comment as the Broadcaster has to show diversity.

It's Courses that are disappearing for Housing developments and it's the Municipal courses that are going.

Yes your Private clubs probably doing well because of the closure of the club's mentioned.

As for Margaret comment that as you say all down to Stats and data.
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08/12/2020 08:56:27 1 0
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Tommy had a 2 at the first last year , I was there awesome??
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08/12/2020 08:50:13 2 0
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Yeah, all professional sports are chasing money. But terrestrial channels simply can’t afford top level professional sport, those days are gone.

Golf participation and attendances are not plummeting though, as Margaret suggested. People keep saying this and the facts say otherwise.
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08/12/2020 09:10:41 1 0
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I know hence my comment as the Broadcaster has to show diversity.

It's Courses that are disappearing for Housing developments and it's the Municipal courses that are going.

Yes your Private clubs probably doing well because of the closure of the club's mentioned.

As for Margaret comment that as you say all down to Stats and data.
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08/12/2020 09:44:38 2 2
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Overall playing numbers are up, not just a redistribution from muni to private clubs.

And people are often parochial about this, assuming that what they see happening locally must be happening globally. Globally, the game is expanding, and that's where the future money lies for the tours, not in sticking golf on terrestrial tv in the UK.
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08/12/2020 09:15:35 25 0
bbc
Big Shout Out for Patrick Reed. More committed to playing in Europe than many British players. His comments about wanting international experience to become a better player speaks volumes for his attitude and openness at a time of isolationism and parochialism. Good on you Patrick.
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08/12/2020 09:26:56 11 0
bbc
Have to admit I wasn't that keep on him, but I've changed that opinion and he's earned my respect coming over to play on the ET, good luck to him.
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08/12/2020 09:59:51 0 1
bbc
In reality its asy money for him, but hey if the so call big guns can't be bothered then good luck to Partick he is a very good golfer
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08/12/2020 10:05:13 2 1
bbc
He is a very good golfer and clearly understand the need to play something other that USA style target golf courses.
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08/12/2020 09:15:35 25 0
bbc
Big Shout Out for Patrick Reed. More committed to playing in Europe than many British players. His comments about wanting international experience to become a better player speaks volumes for his attitude and openness at a time of isolationism and parochialism. Good on you Patrick.
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08/12/2020 09:26:56 11 0
bbc
Have to admit I wasn't that keep on him, but I've changed that opinion and he's earned my respect coming over to play on the ET, good luck to him.
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08/12/2020 09:32:24 2 7
bbc
Who (in)famously said in 2016, after withdrawing from the Rio Olympics? "I don't feel like I've let the game down. I didn't get into golf to try and grow the game. I got into golf to try to win championships and major championships."

Obviously, in the current trying circumstances, the aforementioned isn't going to try: he'd rather play around with Poppy that play a round with Patrick.
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08/12/2020 14:26:42 3 1
bbc
Obviously doesn't value Olympic gold medals, which don't get much attention on the world stage of course.
I bet Andy Murray values his two (and one silver).
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
bbc
Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 09:41:36 3 0
bbc
Tuss.
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08/12/2020 09:10:41 1 0
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I know hence my comment as the Broadcaster has to show diversity.

It's Courses that are disappearing for Housing developments and it's the Municipal courses that are going.

Yes your Private clubs probably doing well because of the closure of the club's mentioned.

As for Margaret comment that as you say all down to Stats and data.
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08/12/2020 09:44:38 2 2
bbc
Overall playing numbers are up, not just a redistribution from muni to private clubs.

And people are often parochial about this, assuming that what they see happening locally must be happening globally. Globally, the game is expanding, and that's where the future money lies for the tours, not in sticking golf on terrestrial tv in the UK.
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08/12/2020 10:20:54 1 0
bbc
For the sake of Golf hope the numbers do keep growing or stabilising.

Just be nice to see Golf on Terrestrial TV too along with Muni Courses too surviving and being kept open even if the standards are a bit rough pardon the pun not intended.

We need Sport in Our lives (some do) whether spectating or participating.
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
bbc
Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 09:56:13 6 0
bbc
The only embarrasment here, is you idiotic self
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
bbc
Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 09:57:36 7 0
bbc
As you say..."please stop"...and take yourself back to the soccer pages where pitiful and disrespectful people like you belong.
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08/12/2020 09:58:35 12 1
bbc
I echo the comments regarding Peter Allis, the man who I grew up watching the game of golf with.

I never thought of him as a commentator he was just watching the game and enjoying it as much as the rest of us were and occasionally adding the odd comment here or there.

Some on here down arrowing comments saying RIP and condolences should be banned from commenting by the moderators do your job!
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08/12/2020 10:04:13 9 0
bbc
Well put. Golf doesn't need commentators in the sense that many other sports do, we can all see what's happening ourselves, so need commentators telling us stuff that we don't know or can't see, or in the case of Alliss, it was more like having someone sitting beside you having a chat rather than pretending that he was giving expert insight.
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08/12/2020 13:46:17 2 0
bbc
I suspect the thumbs down are directed at the preachy, self-righteous addendums that are attached to said condolences.

Although in some cases the condolences are the addendum and the comment as a whole is mostly just a rant at the BBC or Iain Carter.
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08/12/2020 14:37:26 7 1
bbc
Well said. The only other commentator in todays crop is Ken Brown who brings a note of levity to the game. Please bin those commentators that insist on describing balls in difficult lies which are clearly not; directors that focus on spitting players; and directors that think I want to watch every shot of TW while he battles to break 80 including the range prior.
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08/12/2020 09:15:35 25 0
bbc
Big Shout Out for Patrick Reed. More committed to playing in Europe than many British players. His comments about wanting international experience to become a better player speaks volumes for his attitude and openness at a time of isolationism and parochialism. Good on you Patrick.
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08/12/2020 09:59:51 0 1
bbc
In reality its asy money for him, but hey if the so call big guns can't be bothered then good luck to Partick he is a very good golfer
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08/12/2020 18:44:05 0 0
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Most of the top Europeans have been there and done it, so can't blame them.
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07/12/2020 17:12:27 38 3
bbc
Shame on you BBC for having no HYS on the passing of the great Peter Alliss, and he was a BBC employee !!!

I know this is off topic but RIP Peter you were one of a kind and we will not see your like again.
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08/12/2020 10:02:31 1 1
bbc
Shame on the BBC for not having an HYS for Peter, they will remove this comment and I will keep posting it
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08/12/2020 09:58:35 12 1
bbc
I echo the comments regarding Peter Allis, the man who I grew up watching the game of golf with.

I never thought of him as a commentator he was just watching the game and enjoying it as much as the rest of us were and occasionally adding the odd comment here or there.

Some on here down arrowing comments saying RIP and condolences should be banned from commenting by the moderators do your job!
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08/12/2020 10:04:13 9 0
bbc
Well put. Golf doesn't need commentators in the sense that many other sports do, we can all see what's happening ourselves, so need commentators telling us stuff that we don't know or can't see, or in the case of Alliss, it was more like having someone sitting beside you having a chat rather than pretending that he was giving expert insight.
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08/12/2020 13:40:38 1 0
bbc
Exactly it was like we were sitting there marvelling, enjoying watching rather than constantly filling the airwaves with technobable

Sadly there is noone to replace him
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08/12/2020 09:15:35 25 0
bbc
Big Shout Out for Patrick Reed. More committed to playing in Europe than many British players. His comments about wanting international experience to become a better player speaks volumes for his attitude and openness at a time of isolationism and parochialism. Good on you Patrick.
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08/12/2020 10:05:13 2 1
bbc
He is a very good golfer and clearly understand the need to play something other that USA style target golf courses.
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07/12/2020 17:12:27 38 3
bbc
Shame on you BBC for having no HYS on the passing of the great Peter Alliss, and he was a BBC employee !!!

I know this is off topic but RIP Peter you were one of a kind and we will not see your like again.
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08/12/2020 10:07:27 3 1
bbc
Yep back we come again, shame on you BBC for not ahving a Ptere Allis HYS

Shows the respect you had for him, but the rest of us feel differently
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08/12/2020 09:44:38 2 2
bbc
Overall playing numbers are up, not just a redistribution from muni to private clubs.

And people are often parochial about this, assuming that what they see happening locally must be happening globally. Globally, the game is expanding, and that's where the future money lies for the tours, not in sticking golf on terrestrial tv in the UK.
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08/12/2020 10:20:54 1 0
bbc
For the sake of Golf hope the numbers do keep growing or stabilising.

Just be nice to see Golf on Terrestrial TV too along with Muni Courses too surviving and being kept open even if the standards are a bit rough pardon the pun not intended.

We need Sport in Our lives (some do) whether spectating or participating.
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08/12/2020 10:34:31 2 1
bbc
I completely agree re the importance of having sport in our lives, and golf is a great one as you can enjoy it whether you're a young athlete chasing prizes or an old boy just enjoying a round with his mates.

And I agree that it is sad that terrestrial channels show so little sport now, but that ship has sailed.
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08/12/2020 10:20:54 1 0
bbc
For the sake of Golf hope the numbers do keep growing or stabilising.

Just be nice to see Golf on Terrestrial TV too along with Muni Courses too surviving and being kept open even if the standards are a bit rough pardon the pun not intended.

We need Sport in Our lives (some do) whether spectating or participating.
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08/12/2020 10:34:31 2 1
bbc
I completely agree re the importance of having sport in our lives, and golf is a great one as you can enjoy it whether you're a young athlete chasing prizes or an old boy just enjoying a round with his mates.

And I agree that it is sad that terrestrial channels show so little sport now, but that ship has sailed.
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08/12/2020 10:42:10 1 0
bbc
??
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08/12/2020 10:34:31 2 1
bbc
I completely agree re the importance of having sport in our lives, and golf is a great one as you can enjoy it whether you're a young athlete chasing prizes or an old boy just enjoying a round with his mates.

And I agree that it is sad that terrestrial channels show so little sport now, but that ship has sailed.
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08/12/2020 10:42:10 1 0
bbc
??
Sad about Allis he was very relaxing to listen to

Time HYS opened up more comments sections on athletics with so much controversy going on
Removed
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
bbc
Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 11:52:31 1 6
bbc
Afraid I have to agree here...Alliss was way past his sell by date as a commentator. Who cares if Major Double -Barreledname sent him a letter saying he was having sherry and cake for tea....concentrate on the golf and try and remember the names of the players.
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
bbc
Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 11:54:20 3 1
bbc
My 94 year old mother disagrees with you. Yes she will concede that he was no sycophant of the modern best players, but, when BBC used to cover every player on the course, he knew them all. I often found him pompous but he was coherent and his work on ABC in the US made their other commentators sound unprofessional. However, for me, Longhurst was peerless like Bill McLaren.
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07/12/2020 20:32:13 17 3
bbc
I must say I am staggered that the likes of Morikawa and Hovland qualify for the grand final when they haven't actually played a proper European event. I think Hovland maybe played one but there entry is primarily based on there performance in the 3 majors in the US where they play their golf. This should be the final for the players who primarily ply their trade on the European tour.
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08/12/2020 12:29:05 0 2
bbc
first of all you have to take up membership on the ET which is a signal of intent in itself. Tiger or Phil were never EU No1 as they never took up membership. Monty might only have won a handful of OOM's if Tiger had been a member of the tour. Its unfortunately a sign of the times that the majors and WGC count as euro events and they only have to play a handful of other events like Saudi, dubai
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08/12/2020 12:29:46 4 1
bbc
With the recent 'collaboration' been announced. How long before the ET Race finishes up in Florida to save the US based player the inconvenience of long travel?
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08/12/2020 12:32:47 8 4
bbc
Iain Carter you are a disgrace! Why was an HYS not opened for all those who wish to pay their respects to the great Peter Alliss?

Peter Alliss was a god of broadcasting and loved around the world. Able to make a positive comment about any situation and engage the viewers in the competition being covered.

Iain Carter hang your head in shame.
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08/12/2020 17:29:24 1 2
bbc
Carter has no say in which articles have HYS. Not his fault, I’m sure he would have loved comments on the obituary he wrote.
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08/12/2020 10:04:13 9 0
bbc
Well put. Golf doesn't need commentators in the sense that many other sports do, we can all see what's happening ourselves, so need commentators telling us stuff that we don't know or can't see, or in the case of Alliss, it was more like having someone sitting beside you having a chat rather than pretending that he was giving expert insight.
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08/12/2020 13:40:38 1 0
bbc
Exactly it was like we were sitting there marvelling, enjoying watching rather than constantly filling the airwaves with technobable

Sadly there is noone to replace him
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07/12/2020 21:41:28 15 1
bbc
RIP Peter Alliss, the voice of golf, up there with the late Alex Hay. The soundtrack to all the best moments - ‘It’s not a million miles away, is it’. Sam Torrance holing that putt in the sun at the Belfry 85. 5 top 10s in the Open.
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08/12/2020 13:44:37 1 0
bbc
or

'you little beauty' when Seve holed it from 35 feet

One thing you can say is that in the ryder cup he was fair to both sides even though he deeply wanted the European side to win. There was never any favouritism, which is a unique skill in itself
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08/12/2020 09:58:35 12 1
bbc
I echo the comments regarding Peter Allis, the man who I grew up watching the game of golf with.

I never thought of him as a commentator he was just watching the game and enjoying it as much as the rest of us were and occasionally adding the odd comment here or there.

Some on here down arrowing comments saying RIP and condolences should be banned from commenting by the moderators do your job!
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08/12/2020 13:46:17 2 0
bbc
I suspect the thumbs down are directed at the preachy, self-righteous addendums that are attached to said condolences.

Although in some cases the condolences are the addendum and the comment as a whole is mostly just a rant at the BBC or Iain Carter.
Sad about Peter Allis, made i interesting for non golfers
How about hys on athletics for a change
Removed
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08/12/2020 14:21:05 1 0
bbc
Could someone please check the Calendar on this website - it appears to show a Men's tournament starting on 2 December and 3 Ladies' majors in three weeks.
Teletext has abandoned its calendar apart from those starting in October 2019, so its no use checking there.
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08/12/2020 14:47:06 1 0
bbc
Yes, there was a tournament in Dubai starting on 2nd Dec, but should now be removed as it is historic.

And of the 3 events listed as women's majors, only one of them is, the US Open.
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08/12/2020 09:32:24 2 7
bbc
Who (in)famously said in 2016, after withdrawing from the Rio Olympics? "I don't feel like I've let the game down. I didn't get into golf to try and grow the game. I got into golf to try to win championships and major championships."

Obviously, in the current trying circumstances, the aforementioned isn't going to try: he'd rather play around with Poppy that play a round with Patrick.
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08/12/2020 14:26:42 3 1
bbc
Obviously doesn't value Olympic gold medals, which don't get much attention on the world stage of course.
I bet Andy Murray values his two (and one silver).
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08/12/2020 09:58:35 12 1
bbc
I echo the comments regarding Peter Allis, the man who I grew up watching the game of golf with.

I never thought of him as a commentator he was just watching the game and enjoying it as much as the rest of us were and occasionally adding the odd comment here or there.

Some on here down arrowing comments saying RIP and condolences should be banned from commenting by the moderators do your job!
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08/12/2020 14:37:26 7 1
bbc
Well said. The only other commentator in todays crop is Ken Brown who brings a note of levity to the game. Please bin those commentators that insist on describing balls in difficult lies which are clearly not; directors that focus on spitting players; and directors that think I want to watch every shot of TW while he battles to break 80 including the range prior.
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08/12/2020 07:44:41 8 1
bbc
No Golf on national TV anymore and the result is interest plummets, followed by lower attendances and participation. This is what happened to Cricket when they sold out to Sky. There is always a price to be paid for greed.
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08/12/2020 14:43:45 1 0
bbc
and F1 & Tennis. Easy lesson to be learned.
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08/12/2020 16:24:45 2 0
bbc
Lower interest in F1 is largely fuelled by the fact that is a procession. And in men's tennis it's been the same 3 blokes knocking the hell out of each other for over 10 years.
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08/12/2020 14:21:05 1 0
bbc
Could someone please check the Calendar on this website - it appears to show a Men's tournament starting on 2 December and 3 Ladies' majors in three weeks.
Teletext has abandoned its calendar apart from those starting in October 2019, so its no use checking there.
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08/12/2020 14:47:06 1 0
bbc
Yes, there was a tournament in Dubai starting on 2nd Dec, but should now be removed as it is historic.

And of the 3 events listed as women's majors, only one of them is, the US Open.
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
bbc
Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 15:23:28 2 0
bbc
Agree, he is somewhat of the 'better in my day' school, but not a decent commentator! What a load of accoutrements.

(My favourite ever piece of commentary is his 'If my aunt had certain accoutrements, she'd be my uncle.')
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08/12/2020 07:17:56 4 24
bbc
Please stop. He hadn't been a decent commentator for 40 years. His knowledge of the modern game and its players was embarrassing.
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08/12/2020 16:09:54 1 0
bbc
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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08/12/2020 14:43:45 1 0
bbc
and F1 & Tennis. Easy lesson to be learned.
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08/12/2020 16:24:45 2 0
bbc
Lower interest in F1 is largely fuelled by the fact that is a procession. And in men's tennis it's been the same 3 blokes knocking the hell out of each other for over 10 years.
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08/12/2020 12:32:47 8 4
bbc
Iain Carter you are a disgrace! Why was an HYS not opened for all those who wish to pay their respects to the great Peter Alliss?

Peter Alliss was a god of broadcasting and loved around the world. Able to make a positive comment about any situation and engage the viewers in the competition being covered.

Iain Carter hang your head in shame.
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08/12/2020 17:29:24 1 2
bbc
Carter has no say in which articles have HYS. Not his fault, I’m sure he would have loved comments on the obituary he wrote.
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07/12/2020 20:37:30 2 0
bbc
winning a golf tournament is never easy and highly pressurised, fans or not
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gg
08/12/2020 18:16:13 0 0
bbc
Yeah of course it is lol
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08/12/2020 08:02:51 1 0
bbc
If it’s that easy to win, maybe enter yourself ... so to speak
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08/12/2020 18:20:15 0 0
bbc
Who said it's easy, I would say it's easier without the presence of fans, that's a no brainer what don't you get ??
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07/12/2020 17:24:01 12 6
bbc
Am I being a little over zealous or do Norway now have the best golfer and best football players in the world?

Haaland and Hovland are making us very proud indeed.
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gg
08/12/2020 18:24:26 1 1
bbc
Deluded more like ????????
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08/12/2020 21:55:39 0 0
bbc
Yes they have nice trees, and pickled fish as well.
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08/12/2020 09:59:51 0 1
bbc
In reality its asy money for him, but hey if the so call big guns can't be bothered then good luck to Partick he is a very good golfer
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gg
08/12/2020 18:44:05 0 0
bbc
Most of the top Europeans have been there and done it, so can't blame them.
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gg
08/12/2020 18:24:26 1 1
bbc
Deluded more like ????????
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08/12/2020 21:55:39 0 0
bbc
Yes they have nice trees, and pickled fish as well.
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07/12/2020 16:48:33 4 8
bbc
Winners prize money should go to charities, none of those taking part need it
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08/12/2020 21:58:17 0 0
bbc
Read a book called "A four iron in your soul". That does a very good job of articulating how difficult it is to be a successful professional golfer, and to make an actual living. Imagine knowing that making a putt on the final hole of the weekend is the difference between paying your mortgage or not.... Not every pro is a multi millionaire. If someone wins they deserve the prize money.
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08/12/2020 23:01:44 1 0
bbc
Bit of a joke that morikawa can pitch up for his first European tour event by virtue of results in US tour events. There should be a minimum criteria of events played on European tour before you can play in race to dubai finale