Brexit: MPs reinsert controversial sections of Internal Market Bill
07/12/2020 | news | politics | 2,450
But in a possible compromise, ministers said they could remove the measures if trade talks succeed.
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07/12/2020 16:53:57 13 24
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And here comes the sell out
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07/12/2020 16:58:09 23 17
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No, that happened over 4 years ago when 'the 52%' followed the orderd of the right wing tabloids and told the government to do the impossible. Then the big red buss compounded it with very specific lies. None of the promises were ever possible, let alone advantageous. We're now in damage limitation mode as any gains were never going to happen.
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07/12/2020 17:02:19 1 4
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His name is Boris.....
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07/12/2020 16:55:27 6 7
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Pub anyone?
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07/12/2020 16:57:55 13 4
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Do they serve scotch eggs?
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07/12/2020 16:55:29 537 196
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Irrespective of whether they are removed now or not, the coming years will be defined by various hard-headed Brexiters pushing the PM for a fight with Brussels over one issue or another.

We are going to be squabbling with our neighbours for years, because all these fanatics want is war with Europe and to make a packet on the side.

Well done Brexiters. Glad you're getting what you voted for.
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07/12/2020 16:57:46 306 379
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Brexiteers just want free trade without strings. We will always be neighbours and friends with Europe. Europe is not the EU.
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07/12/2020 17:20:45 4 10
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Just like we ‘squabbled’ ever since the EU came into being, and even during its gestation (though perhaps in fairness to Thatcher that was more than just squabble)
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07/12/2020 17:25:23 6 23
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Extraordinarily childish nonsense.
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07/12/2020 17:29:30 1 16
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And you too are getting what was voted for ........ so why would you gloat ?
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07/12/2020 17:45:09 4 15
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And you Sir would have just rolled over to get your tummy continually scratched by unaccountable non elected Commisars ripping us off forever.
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07/12/2020 18:02:36 4 13
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We are glad that's for sure. Despite all the dirty tricks and untruths put about by Remainers the Leavers won the day fair and square after a proper democratic vote. Not something you will see in the EU anytime soon.
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07/12/2020 18:19:07 3 4
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yet another self appointed expert with a crystal ball -all your pointless remarks change nothing
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07/12/2020 18:32:46 3 9
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No we are not getting what we voted for .. the elite is trying to punish the plebs for voting the wrong way.

What we wanted is less immigration (could be non-EU), less tax .. ie reduce the funding to the EU, less foreign aid .. better late than never, less subsidies for the rich and less PC correctness bullying.
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07/12/2020 18:40:52 4 0
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If only they had listened to us when we were in it.
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07/12/2020 19:33:39 2 5
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We are all Brexitiers, we have all left the EU.
08/12/2020 01:10:23 1 1
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Another ridiculous comment by the local village idi*t
08/12/2020 01:38:08 0 1
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Yes, me too.
Sovereignty!!! Yes!!!
08/12/2020 02:15:44 2 1
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I understand "The Hundred Years War" lasted less than a hundred years. This one, post-Brexit, might go well past the hundred years as far as trade goes. Looking forward to Baldrick's turnip soup 7 days a week?
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07/12/2020 16:55:51 260 58
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Is this our "oven-ready" deal?
No, that was the Withdrawal Agreement. Remainers aren't too good on details.
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lol
07/12/2020 17:28:08 10 1
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Power outage, sorry.
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07/12/2020 16:55:57 354 114
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Haha! What happened to "bulldog Boris" "EU needs us more than we need them" and here they are compromising. Weak losers ????,
Once you're old enough to vote you'll understand politics and negotiations better. Maybe. Removed
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07/12/2020 17:07:48 43 12
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But Brexiteers will rewrite history in their heads to avoid recognizing it as such. They've done it before. Case in point, the Irish and Danish referendums. They're convinced the Irish and Danes voted to leave but the EU demanded reruns. But that isn't what happened. They voted to reject specific terms in treaties, concessions were made, and they voted to agree to the new terms. That's democracy.
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07/12/2020 17:23:22 8 28
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Weak losers? So what does that make you?
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07/12/2020 18:26:28 4 16
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What BBC haven't reported,

"French Secretary of State for European Affairs, Clément Beaune - "EU granting too many concessions to the UK, in order to avoid a no-deal scenario on December 31.

'We will hold out until the last moment' says Germany, On the contrary, Germany, which holds the rotating presidency of the EU and the European Commission, is seeking an agreement "at all costs".

Oops ;-)
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07/12/2020 18:44:03 0 4
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If you are in work, your job can go first!
07/12/2020 20:47:30 0 0
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What happened??? Absolutely NOTHING
08/12/2020 09:27:58 0 0
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Everyone loses on a no deal. The Tories are moving us back to the Dickensian times when we have to be thankful for work, pay and housing.
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07/12/2020 16:56:03 620 141
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Sounds like another world beating u-turn.
It's negotiation, that's all.

Now try not to spread your misery to others. There's a good lad.
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07/12/2020 17:06:59 32 102
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Clearly, most people posting on this site claiming to be experts have little or no idea/experience in negotiating mega deals. The Bill was always intended to reinforce leverage and encourage the EU to see that the UK now means business & was no longer led by a majority-less poodle in the form of Theresa May
It gave Boris room to compromise without having to concede our key red lines
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07/12/2020 17:16:19 65 18
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Boris played the game and lost
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07/12/2020 17:18:46 8 7
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No, it sounds like they are just repeating what they have already said previously.
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07/12/2020 17:26:59 13 43
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A bit like Starmer's abstain decision last week.
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07/12/2020 17:29:01 5 13
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Not as I understand it - the clauses would only have come into play if there was no deal, and this reads like they won't come into play if there IS a deal, so what is different???
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07/12/2020 17:49:13 19 2
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Nope, sounds like it was always a ploy for negotiating and the EU will see it as that, bad Boris.

I am still waiting for the promises Boris and co made to get us to vote out, I accept the decision to leave, I just don't believe No Deal was ever mentioned until after the referendum

24 hrs or so to get a deal worth having, if it is not what was promised Boris and the conservatives are in trouble
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07/12/2020 18:23:09 4 10
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Only if your sole source of news is the BBC. Boris is winding up France and Macron, who have been effectively calling the German's liars over the weekend, Euronews quoted a French minister on that subject. Keep it up Boris.
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NJ
07/12/2020 19:30:25 1 3
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How is making a threat backing down. Removal of the parts of the bill that breaks the withdrawal agreement is conditional on a deal. Not surprising, given the signing of the blackmailing WA was conditional on reaching a deal. Remember, nothing is agreed, until all is agreed.
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Rob
07/12/2020 16:56:32 5 2
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All that for a negotiation tactic.
Free money though, isn't it?
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07/12/2020 16:57:17 367 99
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Another climbdown by bluffing Bojo and "we hold all the cards" Gove.
Another naff comment from a tired HYS user with nothing better to do. Removed
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07/12/2020 18:21:33 13 0
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Wouldn't trust a thing Gove says.
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07/12/2020 18:28:48 2 10
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Sigh, stop lying, read Euronews, Germany wants a deal, and according to France, Germany wants it at 'any cost' so the French threaten to veto it, Boris is cleverly winding them up.
08/12/2020 07:20:20 1 0
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The reason we have all the cards is that the game is actually chess.
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07/12/2020 16:57:25 16 10
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Hardlyh surprising we're struggling to get a deal when we entered into the previous one in bad faith.
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07/12/2020 16:55:29 537 196
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Irrespective of whether they are removed now or not, the coming years will be defined by various hard-headed Brexiters pushing the PM for a fight with Brussels over one issue or another.

We are going to be squabbling with our neighbours for years, because all these fanatics want is war with Europe and to make a packet on the side.

Well done Brexiters. Glad you're getting what you voted for.
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07/12/2020 16:57:46 306 379
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Brexiteers just want free trade without strings. We will always be neighbours and friends with Europe. Europe is not the EU.
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07/12/2020 17:00:41 65 16
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They want cake and to rub EU noses in the crumbs. And when they don't get it, they squeal and cry foul.

I suppose they genuinely feel we deserve it, given that we're simply a better country than the lot of them.
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07/12/2020 17:01:44 61 8
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Which is what you aren't going to get and what you were told you were never going to get 4 years ago.
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07/12/2020 17:03:15 62 4
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There are plenty of strings attached to the FTA with Japan...
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Bob
07/12/2020 17:04:58 72 7
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"Brexiteers just want free trade without strings."

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Surely "trade" is giving something and receiving something else?

Surely both parties have to agree on what that is?

Surely we will always have to abide by EUs laws on goods traded with the EU?

Doesn't that mean, by definition, you must have strings to trade?
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07/12/2020 17:54:15 16 4
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free trade without strings? If you want free trade you have to agree the terms. All we have done so far (if the Torygraph is to be believed) is make outrageous demands and call the other side fascists.
Meanwhile,for those don't know, Barnier and Brussels (the EU) take orders from and work for 27 democratically elected governments
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07/12/2020 18:03:46 8 2
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And you said that with a straight face, grandad. Meantime, look at any page of any of your atrocious Brexiter newspapers, all of them foreign owned, from any day in the last ten years - and tell us why we should believe anything you say.
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07/12/2020 18:35:21 8 0
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There's no such thing as a free trade deal without strings. There just isn't.
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07/12/2020 18:47:13 3 1
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No where will you get free trade with no strings: first rule of trade negotiations. Unless of course you talking of some small island state somewhere where they have no exports we want and they cannot afford the goods we want to sell them.
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07/12/2020 19:00:20 4 0
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Free trade without strings doesn’t exist.
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07/12/2020 19:12:56 4 2
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That is why you are viewed as a bit thick - you cannot be a major player in the Single Market without complying with its rules. What is so hard to grasp about this? Oh, I know, Nigel and David told you we could get this cakeism and you believed them.
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07/12/2020 19:22:06 4 7
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It's no good. Limited intelligence means remoaners see no difference between the EU and Europe.
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07/12/2020 19:10:49 1 8
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I’m not friends with them. Friends don’t treat people in the way the despised eu ruling, corrupt class have treated the people of this country or its democracy. I’d wish them good luck defending their eastern flank, immediately stop transferring any more hard earned uk taxpayers cash and suggest to them to look for a new route to fly to nth. America as our airspace is closed. Ditto our seas.
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07/12/2020 19:28:26 3 2
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But it is, you have to comply with EU rules to work with Europe
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07/12/2020 19:34:40 2 2
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Isn't that we did for thousands of years and most of the world still do.
07/12/2020 19:34:20 1 3
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Lies!
07/12/2020 19:46:38 6 1
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You can't have both. The experts warned you before the referendum and after. The EU told told you this before and after. The Brexit campaign dismissed those warnings as Project Fear.

You can't expect an FTA with your neighbours without agreeing to conditions. The UK Govt has chosen to view those conditions as an infringement to independece and sovereignty and has backed us into a corner.
07/12/2020 19:48:04 3 1
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Indeed. 50 countries in Europe - only 27 in the EU.
07/12/2020 20:33:02 4 2
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How naive. Have you read the many childish comments from your fellow leavers? They're not exactly showing the hand of friendship to the people of Britain let alone those of Europeans.
07/12/2020 21:50:25 2 2
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Certainly right wing Brexiteers want free trade. They attack the EU as a 'protectionist racket', which it is. Stuff can always be produced cheaper where people are paid less, forced to work long hours in unsafe conditions. Think all the 'red wall' Brexit voters wanted subsidies for their uncompetitive industries i.e. not free trade - someone should tell them which Brexit is happening.
07/12/2020 22:22:09 3 1
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No such thing as free trade without strings. Never has been, never will be, with any country. All trade deals come with a variety of both freedoms and strings no matter whom they are between. That's a key reality that Brexit supporters have never understood, instead thinking that by stamping feet and claiming we are sovereign everybody will give us just what we want. Harsh reality check coming
07/12/2020 23:00:31 3 2
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Free trade comes with compromises the UK does not want to accept.
07/12/2020 23:27:56 2 3
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'with friends like us who needs enemies'
07/12/2020 23:44:13 2 2
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You do not get free trade for sod all. Come back when you grow up.
08/12/2020 01:38:27 0 1
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Oh yes it is.
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07/12/2020 16:57:47 20 11
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Boris will cave in,he can't bluster his way out of this.
He'll be fine, don't worry.
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07/12/2020 16:55:27 6 7
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Pub anyone?
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07/12/2020 16:57:55 13 4
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Do they serve scotch eggs?
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07/12/2020 16:57:56 2 9
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What more does Boris have to do..........
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07/12/2020 16:59:16 22 7
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Resign
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07/12/2020 17:02:01 1 1
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become welsh first minister!!
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07/12/2020 17:04:27 3 1
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Die in a ditch .
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07/12/2020 17:14:41 3 0
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Apologise.
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07/12/2020 16:58:08 42 22
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They should remove the clauses first to give the EU some confidence in the UK's intent. I would not sign anything with Boris Johnson unless it was absolutely guaranteed and even that does not mean he who honour it.
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Bob
07/12/2020 17:01:35 36 13
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I wouldn't agree to anything with Boris that he wouldn't lose personally for.

He's going to be wealthy regardless of how much he screws this country.
I would trust the EU even less. They have form. Just see the 1500 disputes ongoing before the ECJ.
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07/12/2020 16:53:57 13 24
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And here comes the sell out
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07/12/2020 16:58:09 23 17
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No, that happened over 4 years ago when 'the 52%' followed the orderd of the right wing tabloids and told the government to do the impossible. Then the big red buss compounded it with very specific lies. None of the promises were ever possible, let alone advantageous. We're now in damage limitation mode as any gains were never going to happen.
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07/12/2020 17:25:59 5 2
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Projecting your own inability to think for yourself onto others doesn't make it true.
Hardly any of those I know who voted Leave read any kind of "right wing tabloid" though more than a few read both the Guardian & Telegraph.
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07/12/2020 16:58:17 61 15
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Ministers have said they will remove controversial things. One of the things Boris should remove is the bully Priti Patel
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07/12/2020 17:03:53 12 55
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how does doing your job in the face of beligerent civil servant who object to working for their pay constitute bullying ? She should have sacked them instead
What about the Bercow bloke, you a big fan of his maybe?
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07/12/2020 16:58:38 12 10
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He thinks he's Churchill but he's actually Chamberlain.
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07/12/2020 17:00:45 13 5
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More chamber pot!
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07/12/2020 17:06:18 4 0
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He thinks he's Churchill but actually he's just a nodding dog.
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07/12/2020 16:58:44 484 100
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Those clauses should never have been part of the bill in the first place, for the sake of honouring the Withdrawal Agreement as a primary manifesto pledge and retaining trust on the international stage.
The government has a duty to defend both the Good Friday Agreement and the UK internal market. The EU cares about neither of course - apart from the leverage they might gain in keeping UK cash flowing to the continent.
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07/12/2020 17:15:14 26 48
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Tell that to the EU, who have reneged on international treaties three or four times in the past four years, including once regarding Brexit.
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07/12/2020 17:27:22 41 13
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It was frustratingly self-defeating. It did real harm to our reputation and was irreconcilable with serious continued negotiation. You cannot proclaim that you might violate the previous agreement and expect to move on to the next agreement as though nothing has happened. Johnson has done a great deal of damage to the norms of governance, and politics, and sadly it did not begin with this.
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07/12/2020 17:31:37 10 14
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It does give the govt something to negotiate away that they themselves put in. Clever..
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07/12/2020 17:35:09 5 15
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The Withdrawal Agreement is against the Good Friday Agreement more than a big wall bordering Ireland. The only people who think otherwise are those who
have not read or understood it.
The Internal Market Bill was trying to rectify these mistakes in the Withdrawal Agreement. The WA should be torn up - it destroys the NI economy.
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07/12/2020 18:32:10 1 8
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The Withdrawal Agreement is only valid with a Trade Agreement. Those at the EU rules that the Maybot didn't understand. All the IM bill does is seeks to ensure that the EU adheres to their own rules. Once we have a Trade Agreement the IM Bill is history. And without a Trade Agreement, the Withdrawal Agreement is no more.
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NJ
07/12/2020 19:32:51 2 5
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No the withdrawal agreement should never have been signed by the UK. Blame the EU fifth column in the house of lords for it being signed.
07/12/2020 20:41:57 0 2
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Do you know what negotiations are and how.you conduct them?
07/12/2020 23:11:09 0 2
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I think the countries that matter know why it has been done. On the international stage it shows we can’t be bullied or deceived and will fight for our rights and what is rightfully ours.
08/12/2020 00:03:59 1 2
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The WA isn't worth honouring. It was designed to make it as difficult as possible for the UK to function competitively & a sure sign the EU had no intention of honouring the INTERNATIONAL TREATY regarding negotiations between the EU & a nation invoking Article 50 of that treaty.

It was the EU commissioners who first breeched the terms of an international treaty - utterly contemptible.
08/12/2020 01:36:07 0 3
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Bo**ox to the international stage..its an insurance against tyranny otherwise known as the Fouth Reich
08/12/2020 01:36:57 0 0
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There are many things that politicians should not do.
But they do them.
08/12/2020 08:45:08 0 0
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Trust? You having a laugh; they regard us as a source of income, nothing more.
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07/12/2020 16:58:49 45 21
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Those clauses were always intended to be removed, it's all part of the negotiation, not sure it was a wise strategy but if both sides are relatively disappointed with the outcome then it's probably the best that can be done
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07/12/2020 17:32:24 69 15
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It's absolutely not part of negotiation. There's no rationale to support that assertion. It doesn't achieve anything in the context of a negotiation that would benefit either party. It doesn't achieve pareto improvement with respect to the parties, it harms trust greatly and it doesn't change the timetable or imperative. Creating a problem and then removing it is not, either, a negotiating tool.
07/12/2020 19:49:16 7 3
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It showed UK up in front of world as a country whose word you cannot trust. Only rogue states would ever go down that line. We don't want to be like N Korea.
07/12/2020 20:12:00 1 6
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Why oh why can't the pathetic remainers understand the very basics of what is going on? The WA includes the requirement for both parties to negotiate in good faith to reach a trade agreement. If one party does not - and the EU can be shown not to have - then the WSA is null and void. In this case, international law is not being broken.
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07/12/2020 16:57:56 2 9
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What more does Boris have to do..........
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07/12/2020 16:59:16 22 7
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Resign
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07/12/2020 16:59:34 65 27
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Inevitable. Yes, the EU wants to trade with the UK. That's why they persisted dealing with the May and Johnson governments, despite the latter's ineptitude and bad faith. But it only goes so far. They'll keep talking up to, and after, the deadline. But they won't surrender their principles. Their businesses will survive without us. But tens of thousands of our businesses will go bust without them.
Did they ask you to type that?
07/12/2020 20:07:58 2 1
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And why should the UK and its voters surrender their principles ? Oh ye of little faith !
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07/12/2020 16:59:54 12 6
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So..The EU can't let it be seen that you can leave and make a success of it. and the UK can't leave and not take back sovereignty. The EU don't want to stop exporting to the UK but want to restrict imports from the UK. The UK want to be able to export to the EU but want to set their own tax, employment and investment rules... Simple.. There was never going to be a simple deal
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07/12/2020 17:35:50 0 1
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crack on then. How many trade deals have you signed this week?
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07/12/2020 17:38:41 0 0
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Hmmm.... If you leave your golf club you couldn't expect to still be allowed to play a round whenever you wished, would you?
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07/12/2020 16:59:59 110 10
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I think this was the plan all along. Suggests a deal. The clause is pointless anyway with a deal.
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07/12/2020 17:27:48 135 46
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The Clause is a disgusting threat.
07/12/2020 20:29:28 1 0
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But he hasn't got a deal yet, and he's removing the clause before a deal is even agreed.
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07/12/2020 17:00:06 32 16
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If I understand it correctly, British government said they will not break international law if EU give them what they want. Cheeky b....s.
Eat your fish and chips everyday for next 50 years.
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07/12/2020 16:57:46 306 379
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Brexiteers just want free trade without strings. We will always be neighbours and friends with Europe. Europe is not the EU.
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07/12/2020 17:00:41 65 16
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They want cake and to rub EU noses in the crumbs. And when they don't get it, they squeal and cry foul.

I suppose they genuinely feel we deserve it, given that we're simply a better country than the lot of them.
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07/12/2020 17:17:59 39 99
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I love how Remainers continue to fantasize & outright lie about what they believe Leave supporters think.
Stop projecting your own, emotion driven inadequacies onto others.
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lol
07/12/2020 17:32:58 1 8
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So simple innit bruv. We da best.
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07/12/2020 17:58:48 2 8
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I think you will find that the uk has paid heavily for the privalage.....inc giving France Nuclear weapons.
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07/12/2020 16:58:38 12 10
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He thinks he's Churchill but he's actually Chamberlain.
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07/12/2020 17:00:45 13 5
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More chamber pot!
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07/12/2020 17:03:38 0 0
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Beat me to it Jonah !
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07/12/2020 17:00:45 4 4
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soon be done now
can i go next?
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07/12/2020 17:22:20 0 0
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Wot will be done; the Oven ready or the U.K.?
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07/12/2020 17:01:05 945 224
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Threatening to break international law then backing down doesn't make you look strong, it makes you look stupid.
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07/12/2020 17:02:35 445 156
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He is stupid , so he should wear that dunces hat with pride.
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07/12/2020 17:11:48 12 10
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But Boris the Square bendy sponge pants has it all in something/where
Oooo, they're just sooo bad. lol
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07/12/2020 17:52:44 24 73
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Another sore loser of a remainer.

Don't ever go into business. It's called negotiation.
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07/12/2020 17:55:41 18 13
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If a deal comes out which is welcomed by all sides it doesn't look quite so stupid.
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07/12/2020 17:55:55 20 44
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I suppose the lesson to be learned is do not sign any agreement that potentially interferes with the UKs internal functions. The EU has shown that they will use any chink to weaken their oppositions position. To sign any agreement that allows this is dangerous, so maybe if the deal isn't in your interest don't agree it.
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07/12/2020 18:00:39 30 61
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The EU thinks it's fine to break the law when it suits itself.
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07/12/2020 18:02:21 18 44
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Firstly there is no such thing as "International Law". Secondly the EU routinely break international agreements when it changes it's mind. Thirdly, the entire Withdrawal agreement falls if the EU fails to negotiate in a fair and even handed manner. That means the WDA has already fallen. I SO wish the EU "brown-nosers" here actually read what was signed instead of spouting rubbish .
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07/12/2020 18:20:52 11 18
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and it winds up Macron who is terrified the Germans are going for a deal 'at any cost' - smart move Boris PS if you don't believe me go read Euronews, the French effectively said the Germans were liars when they said 'no deal was better than a bad one' :-)
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07/12/2020 18:22:16 8 24
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All you ever do is moan. Are you Corbyn or Starmer by any chance.
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07/12/2020 18:22:44 9 12
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perhaps it is a sign that he wishes to compromise to further trade talks but have you have noticed that it is only if a solution can be found.
also show me any country that hasn't at some point broken the laws to further themselves
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07/12/2020 18:27:29 10 13
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There's no backing down involved. It always was the case that if we had a deal with the EU then the Internal Market Bill would be dropped. We were told that by the PM when the IM Bill was first raised. But for a certain group of people, it has been politically expedient to ignore that fact. Its the same with the Withdrawal Agreement. That's meaningless without a Trade Agreement.
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07/12/2020 18:42:36 24 4
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Joe Biden says no.....

So much for being in charge of our own fate.

The truth is that our trading partners always have and always will, dictate aspects of what we do. It is ridiculous to think otherwise.
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Raq
07/12/2020 18:56:16 10 4
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Absolutely right. Amazing that the EU are still talking about an agreement with a Government that has shown that it doesn’t think agreements worth the paper they are written on.
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07/12/2020 18:59:17 16 4
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The worrying thing is that Johnson probably thinks he has achieved something - other than dragging the UK's international good name through the mud.
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Ir
07/12/2020 18:59:51 13 4
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Yep. Pathetic. But expected from Johnson
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07/12/2020 19:04:24 11 2
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Stupid and untrustworthy!
Excuse me Legal Idiot. The EU by not negotiating in accordance of the Withdrawal Agreement are already in breach of International law, as is ALL 27 Member States. The UK cannot be held in "breach" since the 27 member states have already cancelled the WA by failing to negotiate. Reducing the amount of fish the EU STEALS is not going to wash in any court, The UK Supreme Court is the sole court. Removed
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07/12/2020 19:09:45 13 3
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Depends whether you are addressing rational people or readers (I use the term loosely) of the Express or Daily Heil.
891
07/12/2020 19:25:30 12 3
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BREXIT is stupid on its own. What is the final cost regardless of the impact on the UK economy?
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NJ
07/12/2020 19:27:14 5 3
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Its not backing down, its issuing a threat. In the event of no deal the withdrawal agreement is toast.
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07/12/2020 19:27:38 6 11
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The EU is a serial, regular, and blatant breaker of that rather nebulous concept of "international law", so it's a bit rich that they should try to castigate the UK for this, given that the "breach" in this case is only potential, and obviously trivial.
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07/12/2020 19:14:23 4 10
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The eu threatened to block trade between Britain and NI.

This is not negotiating in good faith.

The WA requires this.

The EU broke the WA (intl law)

Hope this clears this point up once and for all.
07/12/2020 19:39:12 5 4
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That is your opinion. If there is no deal then the goal posts have to move. Read the bill.
Idiot watch and learn, you take may
be as willing this id tricky Boris
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07/12/2020 19:45:12 3 6
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You don't undestand brinkmanship.
07/12/2020 19:49:05 5 1
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The EU aren’t stupid. They expect some grandstanding to placate the hard brexiteer contingent. If I had to guess, I can’t imagine it’ll change the negotiations in any meaningful way - it’s all just for the optics.
07/12/2020 19:45:59 2 3
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I broke British law yesterday in Crawley. I was on the wrong side of the road for 2 minutes.
07/12/2020 19:51:32 2 6
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The bill is only necessary if there's no deal.

If there's a deal then it's irrelevant anyway.

Do keep up dear
07/12/2020 19:56:14 5 6
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What is International Law? Where is it adjudicated? What happened to Russia for annexing Crimea? What happened to Germany for over-riding the EU Bank. And you lot kick off about your own Country, shameful.
07/12/2020 20:06:26 3 5
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Strawcat,

What is stupid is commenting in a public place on an issue which you clearly have no understanding of. Please refrain.
Ben
07/12/2020 20:08:11 6 2
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Don’t worry. We’re heading back in within a decade, albeit on sh*te terms. Just off to clap for Nigel, Jacob and the rest of the Little Englanders
07/12/2020 20:09:34 2 4
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USA and Israel routinely break international law.
International law is meaningless as there is no enforcement of anything.
Removed
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07/12/2020 17:01:12 298 54
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Here it comes. The inevitable climb down dressed up as magnanimity.

The number of times he’s puffed out his chest and promised it all then run and hid in a fridge when it came time to deliver.

How his support have not yet seen through him is testament to the problems we have with education in this country.
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07/12/2020 17:07:59 120 326
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The Remainer's last stand. When it is over please get behind your country.
The only differnce with Boris though is that his audience isn't gullible like Nicola's Scottish Bay City Rollers fans. Removed
07/12/2020 19:42:23 1 1
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And I suppose you complained when you thought the UK would not negotiate. Negotiation is about compromise. Good example, we never asked for 100% of fishing rights and have come down from our opening stance. Truth is for the remainers, nothing Boris does would ever be good enough. The test is will the UK grasp the opportunity to change or carry on in comfortable mediocrity?
07/12/2020 20:35:16 0 0
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I thought it was Afghanistan he went to hide in.
07/12/2020 22:21:27 0 0
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You obviously missed English Grammar.
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07/12/2020 16:58:08 42 22
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They should remove the clauses first to give the EU some confidence in the UK's intent. I would not sign anything with Boris Johnson unless it was absolutely guaranteed and even that does not mean he who honour it.
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Bob
07/12/2020 17:01:35 36 13
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I wouldn't agree to anything with Boris that he wouldn't lose personally for.

He's going to be wealthy regardless of how much he screws this country.
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07/12/2020 16:57:46 306 379
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Brexiteers just want free trade without strings. We will always be neighbours and friends with Europe. Europe is not the EU.
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07/12/2020 17:01:44 61 8
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Which is what you aren't going to get and what you were told you were never going to get 4 years ago.
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07/12/2020 16:57:56 2 9
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What more does Boris have to do..........
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07/12/2020 17:02:01 1 1
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become welsh first minister!!
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07/12/2020 16:53:57 13 24
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And here comes the sell out
33
07/12/2020 17:02:19 1 4
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His name is Boris.....
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07/12/2020 17:02:33 30 12
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Now would you trust the word of anyone like Boris..? He has a track record on this.
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07/12/2020 17:01:05 945 224
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Threatening to break international law then backing down doesn't make you look strong, it makes you look stupid.
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07/12/2020 17:02:35 445 156
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He is stupid , so he should wear that dunces hat with pride.
How can he? You are wearing it! Removed
07/12/2020 19:45:59 2 0
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And you are so very clever. I doubt.
07/12/2020 19:56:09 1 4
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Perhaps it's the negotiation tool that was instigated with foresight to encourage last minute dialogue to drive a deal.

Like an offer to the Marrakech bag seller on your terms then walking away if they don't bite. Return as the sellers price reduces to agree one's own lower price which was the original intention all along leaving both sides comfortable with the resulting trade.

Quite canny...
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07/12/2020 17:02:37 137 21
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... and why should the EU believe Boris this time...he lied to them last time
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07/12/2020 17:10:40 9 23
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Correct, which is what the bendy sponge Boris wants until they cannot distinguish between his alternative reality and the EU's (also Donald Tusk's) version of reality!!
Take your PICK
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07/12/2020 17:31:15 5 1
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No one believes him apart from the gullible sun readers who swallow every word of rubbish he speaks.
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07/12/2020 16:55:51 260 58
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Is this our "oven-ready" deal?
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07/12/2020 17:02:52 138 382
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No, that was the Withdrawal Agreement. Remainers aren't too good on details.
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07/12/2020 17:07:10 62 10
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Pretty weak defence of a pretty weak statement
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07/12/2020 17:12:30 26 5
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The Withdrawal Agreement is the only that this bill is trying to break.
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07/12/2020 17:22:36 51 7
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Stop reading the Sun mate. It's bad for your health.
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07/12/2020 17:42:10 37 1
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Perhaps you have overlooked a detail - the WA you refer to is actually Boris' WA.
Remember he tore Ms Mays up; and did a fantastic job of renegotiating? He told us so himself. And now he has introduced one law breaking change .... and has another in the pipeline!!

Magic!
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07/12/2020 17:49:49 39 2
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That simply isn't true. Regardless of which, that deal was so "bad" they now feel the need to make the UK a pariah state for deciding they won't honour it anyway. We're being led by donkeys.
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07/12/2020 18:03:28 31 2
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BS and you know it.
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07/12/2020 18:06:29 43 3
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Busy tonight aren't you?

Not eevn a nice try.

The WA is the thing Johnson was trying to trash.

The FTA never existed.

The FTA is what was promised to the 25% of the population that voted for it in 2019. That was a lie.

It has been Remainers who have laboured to tell you and your swivel eyed pals that the WA was all you ever had - and your dim lightbulb off idols want THAT torn up on a whim.
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07/12/2020 18:06:50 24 4
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Check out narcissistic personality disorders on google and therein discover the cause of all your problems.
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07/12/2020 18:27:59 9 2
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Revisionist clap-trap, and you should know it - the number of times you have repeated it just to have it debunked!
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07/12/2020 18:48:47 7 1
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You're always ever so quick to try and say the oven ready deal thing was about the Withdrawal Agreement, yet try as you might you still can't excuse he said it.
07/12/2020 22:50:04 0 1
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Nice one Boris. IMB is a great move
Scrap this iniquitous Withdrawal Agreement which tries to divide our country.
Keep backing them up.
07/12/2020 23:04:11 0 0
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Check your sources, you are wrong.
07/12/2020 23:38:52 0 0
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If true then why break it now?
08/12/2020 09:15:25 1 0
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So if the WA was the oven ready deal sold to the electorate why is it that Johnson has spent the rest of the time seeking to break it along with international law??? You are accepting that Johnson totally misled the electorate.
08/12/2020 13:13:32 0 0
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F. Off. detailed enough quitling ?
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07/12/2020 17:02:59 73 24
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"potentially override parts of the 'BREXIT DEAL' agreed last year"

Pretty sure you meant "Withdrawal agreement" since a 'brexit deal' is what's currently being negotiated.

Easy enough mistake to make. I mean, it's only been going on for 4 years and and it's not like you're the BBC or anything...
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07/12/2020 17:04:46 20 3
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Hi!
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07/12/2020 17:36:16 6 1
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You're wrong. For the simple reason there is no 'formal' "brexit deal", they are negotiations, treaties and agreements related to brexit, of which the withdrawal agreement was the one most clearly related to actually leaving, which we've already done. We're in the transition period and negotiating the future position now. But any could be called a brexit deal, or not.
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07/12/2020 17:37:11 8 1
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Have to pull you up here, as you seem so supremely confident!

The line "potentially override parts of the 'BREXIT DEAL' agreed last year" is entirely correct. The British Exit (Brexit) from the EU occurred on the 1st Jan 2020. So Brexit and its associated Deal very much were agreed last year, as Mr Cleverly so carefully set out this morning.

Perhaps think before you try and act clever sir!
751
07/12/2020 19:05:08 1 0
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A post Brexit trade agreement is what is being discussed now. Brexit is already done. The Brexit deal was the withdrawal agreement (the divorce deal).
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:03:04 414 113
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How is Brexit possibly in the best interest of the UK at the moment?

We already had the best trade deal in the world it was called access to the single market as a result of our EU membership. Anything less than that is damaging to the UK economy
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07/12/2020 17:05:13 130 378
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get over it .. 4 weeks to go and then what will you have to bleat about
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07/12/2020 17:05:20 40 7
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Exactly! They could easily stop this nonsense. It's really sad that governments are rolling the dice on other peoples lives again.
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07/12/2020 17:07:45 14 61
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Mate we have left - get over it
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07/12/2020 17:08:08 9 24
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So you are saying ignore the vote as those who voted to leave are stupid? Surely the issue is was have left. If you want to rejoin then call for a referendum like the SNP do.
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07/12/2020 17:08:35 7 25
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You have failed to understand our
"FIRST PAST THE POST ELECTORATAL SYSTEM"
so you have to actually have to get our of a nice warm bed and go to vote, failure to do so will result in a result you had no say in then you are lumbered!!
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07/12/2020 17:25:55 36 6
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You've missed the point of brexit,
it's not in our best interest,
it never was, but
we voted for it.
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07/12/2020 18:45:51 2 2
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Well because our best Customer, the USA has just got WTO permission to apply punitive tariffs to EU imports, eg 25% on EU cars, we just left the EU. Maybe why Germany is, according to the French, ready for a deal 'at any cost' & possibly why Nissan invests in Sunderland and closed Barcelona - BMW just invest in UK because it would be inside any tariff barrier in a very lucrative market ;-)
07/12/2020 19:58:19 1 0
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We'll still have access next year, and the year after...
xlr
07/12/2020 22:22:11 0 1
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Timing couldn't be worse for the union either. Scotland have polled 'Yes' in every indy poll since March, and along comes the Internal Markets Bill and snatches away many of the devolved powers. That's not going to help the country stay together.
08/12/2020 01:43:48 0 0
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We will do far better.
08/12/2020 05:33:49 0 0
bbc
Whilst raping the heart and sole out the UK....worth it nope
08/12/2020 07:10:12 0 0
bbc
Apparently not enough of a deal for the people who won the referendum. Not forgetting successive governments conveniently forgetting they signed up to the rules they don't like anymore, then wind up the gullible = this mess!
08/12/2020 09:36:28 0 0
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Best deal for the EU.
We run a huge trade deficit cos we're hamstrung within a protectionist club and are a net contributor for the privilege too.
08/12/2020 13:06:20 0 0
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You forget Brexit is not a trade concept it is an independence concept theybdid not consider tradecwhen voting itvdid not interest them the person to blame is that half wit twonk Cameron he is the brainless cretin who got us into this mess and he just walked away with his life pension and protection team he has a lot to answer for including his gay marriage and other woke twaddle
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07/12/2020 16:57:46 306 379
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Brexiteers just want free trade without strings. We will always be neighbours and friends with Europe. Europe is not the EU.
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07/12/2020 17:03:15 62 4
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There are plenty of strings attached to the FTA with Japan...
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lol
07/12/2020 17:33:27 2 0
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Fish gut or nylon?
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07/12/2020 17:03:23 8 14
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That was always going to go anyway it's a negotiation tactic just remember this in 24 days the UK ???? has just like ELVIS, left the building rejoice in that news. ??????????????????????
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07/12/2020 17:13:46 3 1
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You do realise we left the EU at the end of LAST January...

And some Brexiteers claim remainers are thick...
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07/12/2020 17:17:31 1 0
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Dick Turpin negotiation tactic.
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07/12/2020 17:00:45 13 5
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More chamber pot!
42
07/12/2020 17:03:38 0 0
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Beat me to it Jonah !
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07/12/2020 17:19:42 1 0
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Sorry kid! You could have added "brimming with nightsoil, and needing got rid of pronto!"
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07/12/2020 16:59:34 65 27
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Inevitable. Yes, the EU wants to trade with the UK. That's why they persisted dealing with the May and Johnson governments, despite the latter's ineptitude and bad faith. But it only goes so far. They'll keep talking up to, and after, the deadline. But they won't surrender their principles. Their businesses will survive without us. But tens of thousands of our businesses will go bust without them.
Did they ask you to type that?
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07/12/2020 17:40:50 8 1
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Did Putin order you to type that, comrade?
07/12/2020 23:54:26 1 0
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Almost certainly yes. That troll never gives up
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07/12/2020 16:58:17 61 15
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Ministers have said they will remove controversial things. One of the things Boris should remove is the bully Priti Patel
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07/12/2020 17:03:53 12 55
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how does doing your job in the face of beligerent civil servant who object to working for their pay constitute bullying ? She should have sacked them instead
VoR
07/12/2020 22:33:59 5 1
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They didn't object to working for their pay. She bullied them, then she lied by saying she'd had no feedback to prompt her to change her ways. However, it appears that Boris, like Trump, will reward personal loyalty to him ahead of all else.
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GSP
07/12/2020 17:03:46 12 11
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Hold your nerve Boris!
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07/12/2020 17:10:59 8 2
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Would make a change from what he's normally holding.
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07/12/2020 17:15:16 0 0
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Go blow Boris
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07/12/2020 17:41:15 0 0
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and do what??????
13
07/12/2020 16:57:56 2 9
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What more does Boris have to do..........
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07/12/2020 17:04:27 3 1
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Die in a ditch .
47
07/12/2020 17:04:30 5 1
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So the bill worked IF it has led to concessions from the EU. If the concessions come from the UK then shame on Ministers and the PM.
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07/12/2020 17:04:34 17 14
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The IMB was a stalking horse used to flush the EU out into negotiating in good faith. Offering to remove the offending clauses may or may not facilitate an FTA but if the EU continue to interpret the WA in a disingenuous fashion, then Johnson has mitigation for imposing them.
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07/12/2020 17:04:37 198 24
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Ouch! I wonder how Boris will spin this as a success.

The only thing that made his plan "oven ready" is that it was half baked.

Although I hear there are plans for a Brevity version of Monopoly, where you can only get loads of money if you went to school with Boris (or his mates) and no one ever goes to jail.
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07/12/2020 17:11:51 18 104
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Perhaps he has been taking lessons from Little Nicola from every sperical up she has been creating with her Covid decisons
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07/12/2020 17:27:49 12 0
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The deal's never even left the freezer, let alone half baked.
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07/12/2020 17:02:59 73 24
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"potentially override parts of the 'BREXIT DEAL' agreed last year"

Pretty sure you meant "Withdrawal agreement" since a 'brexit deal' is what's currently being negotiated.

Easy enough mistake to make. I mean, it's only been going on for 4 years and and it's not like you're the BBC or anything...
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07/12/2020 17:04:46 20 3
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Hi!
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07/12/2020 16:57:46 306 379
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Brexiteers just want free trade without strings. We will always be neighbours and friends with Europe. Europe is not the EU.
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Bob
07/12/2020 17:04:58 72 7
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"Brexiteers just want free trade without strings."

___

Surely "trade" is giving something and receiving something else?

Surely both parties have to agree on what that is?

Surely we will always have to abide by EUs laws on goods traded with the EU?

Doesn't that mean, by definition, you must have strings to trade?
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07/12/2020 17:05:03 11 10
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People are reading too much into it. The clauses were always there to be removed at a future date to suit the negotiations. Guessing this means that a deal is in sight and Merkel has put Macron in his place
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07/12/2020 17:33:52 1 2
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I'm not sure our Brexit boys have the foresight to thnk of this. they are more inot shouting and arm waving
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:03:04 414 113
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How is Brexit possibly in the best interest of the UK at the moment?

We already had the best trade deal in the world it was called access to the single market as a result of our EU membership. Anything less than that is damaging to the UK economy
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07/12/2020 17:05:13 130 378
bbc
get over it .. 4 weeks to go and then what will you have to bleat about
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07/12/2020 17:22:11 50 8
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Rising unemployment probable hold ups when you buy anything which is sourced from EU markets , rotten fish by the 1000s of tonnes as we don't eat what we catch car plants going on 3 day weeks due to lack of parts and then shutting down for 3 months per annum .
I could go on but you are probably not interested in actual facts.
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07/12/2020 17:34:58 52 5
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Brexit voter will get exactly what they wanted. Unfortunaely, so does eveyone who didn't want it too.
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07/12/2020 18:09:16 14 3
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"get over it .. 4 weeks to go and then what will you have to bleat about"

Economic collapse, Grandad.

Trust the Tories with your pension, do you?
677
07/12/2020 18:49:14 0 0
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Shed loads!
686
07/12/2020 18:51:58 8 3
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the fact that we will enter a much worse recession than just the CoVid one. Less jobs, less money for the NHS, less money for the Northern Power House, lot's more to bleat about. Which flock of sheep did you follow?
734
07/12/2020 19:02:39 7 3
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Shortages in shops, increased prices, lack of choice, no freedom to live or work in the EU, more expensive travel insurance, roaming charges on mobile phones, ......
955
07/12/2020 19:32:37 2 3
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Think you are about to find things shift pretty permanently against the Brexi-tories from...oh, about 2/1/21!
But shortly after that you will more than that to worry about when you lose your job and can't find another.
07/12/2020 19:43:54 1 3
bbc
I'll not be bleating, I'll just have a smug ,little smile watching all the brexiteers bleating.
07/12/2020 22:08:30 2 2
bbc
What will we have to bleat about? High unemployment, a worthless currency, industry unable to compete as a result of tariffs, shortages of food, drugs and raw materials, a complete loss of confidence in our financial services industry, loss of freedom to travel, work or reside in a free-trade group of half a billion people including several world leading economies. Totally unnecessary!!
07/12/2020 22:46:13 1 1
bbc
The descent into economic chaos that you don't seem to care about.
You will be held responsible for this by generations to come - welcome to your future.
07/12/2020 23:03:04 1 2
bbc
You do not seem to understand what this insanity will mean to you, your family, your job, your friends. Sad.
07/12/2020 23:17:33 1 2
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3 weeks to go not 4!! Deals can only be assured to be done when there is Honesty and integrity, sadly lacking in Bojo's case. Attempting to break international law yet again doesn't help his cause. What a mess Bojo has made. His wish to be PM made him try to damage Cameron and call the Brexit shots. Pity it will further damage this country but keeps the Tory tax evade Brexiteers happy.
08/12/2020 00:39:20 1 0
bbc
You think it'll all be over in four weeks? Dream on. Whatever the outcome, expect wrangling over trade, security, etc. for the next few decades - well, at least til we rejoin. Plenty of time for bleating all round. Enjoy.
08/12/2020 01:14:39 0 0
bbc
The queues of lorries, the shortage of goods, the hold-ups at passport control, the rising prices, the unavailability of some products (especially in Northern Ireland), the shortage of medical supplies, the falling pound...oh, and the stupidity of 37% of voters. Mind you, I'm looking forward to the schadenfreude.
08/12/2020 02:26:35 0 0
bbc
What will you have to cheer about, the economic downside?
08/12/2020 07:34:59 0 0
bbc
Oh everyone will find something else to bleat about.
Laura K & co are already dreaming up something as we type!
08/12/2020 09:24:02 0 0
bbc
Don , once again you duck the question with "we won, you lost".
08/12/2020 13:09:11 0 0
bbc
So looking forward to Brexiteers self -identifying at the back of every foodbank queue while the foreign and offshore currency speculators who funded the Brexit movement over so many years become trillionaires. Good work guys..
08/12/2020 13:10:54 0 0
bbc
Foxtrot Oscar donny.
08/12/2020 13:42:59 0 0
bbc
Grow up don stop trying to be victim or a snowflake follow the example of the elizabethans back In tudor times show some adventurous resolve and not be such a namby Pamby spoon fed woke pathetic negative small minded wilting little weed
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07/12/2020 17:05:13 13 9
bbc
I thought the deal was “oven ready” ?
Cook must have messed up on the ingredients.
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:03:04 414 113
bbc
How is Brexit possibly in the best interest of the UK at the moment?

We already had the best trade deal in the world it was called access to the single market as a result of our EU membership. Anything less than that is damaging to the UK economy
55
07/12/2020 17:05:20 40 7
bbc
Exactly! They could easily stop this nonsense. It's really sad that governments are rolling the dice on other peoples lives again.
453
07/12/2020 17:58:11 2 5
bbc
No, article 50 has been triggered and there is no mechanism to reverse it. We officially left the EU nearly a year ago anyway. And only supporters of the likes of Putin, Trump, Maduro and Mugabe would consider such an affront to democracy.
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07/12/2020 17:05:27 10 11
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So the prospect of breaking international law was added as bargaining chip then. What a bunch of crooks.
85
07/12/2020 17:09:59 5 3
bbc
If the end result is positive, then I would call it inspired.

All's fair in love and war, and the conduct of many countries in the EU in certain areas cannot always be construed as legal.
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07/12/2020 17:05:40 15 11
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An "Oven Ready" Brexit Deal....My derrière

What a complete and total shambles from top to bottom. I truly hate politicians. Everything they touch turns toxic.
77
07/12/2020 17:08:15 7 3
bbc
Nice copy and paste from another of your posts on a different HYS thread earlier today - nothing new or constructive to say
6
07/12/2020 16:56:03 620 141
bbc
Sounds like another world beating u-turn.
58
07/12/2020 17:05:43 324 624
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It's negotiation, that's all.

Now try not to spread your misery to others. There's a good lad.
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07/12/2020 17:16:34 76 22
bbc
Why is it Brexiters so often leave a patronising and unhelpful comment.

If you disagree, perhaps you can offer something to base you disagreement on instead of such juvenile condescension.
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07/12/2020 17:21:25 63 8
bbc
Making provisions to break international law is not part of negotiation, it's an impediment to it. Much like how might struggle to get people to play a game with you after cheating.
210
07/12/2020 17:24:06 47 4
bbc
I believe it’s called more BS
345
07/12/2020 17:43:49 13 5
bbc
The down arrows say it all. LOL
354
07/12/2020 17:45:51 9 0
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hahahahahahahahaha
408
07/12/2020 17:53:02 16 2
bbc
No, it's spineless Pinocchio....again! Let's see...Marcus Rashford x 2, Education x lots etc. They're all so terrifying for him when Nanny isn't around to hold his privileged hand. I suppose they didn't do negotiating skills at Eton?
465
07/12/2020 18:02:01 9 3
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Neogitation? If there is any negotiation going on it is between Johnson and the other dim lightbulb workshy toffs you idolise, and the Kremlin associated Russian oligarchs whose money they took.

Lots of it.

All on the record of party donations - more off the record? London is the capital of global dirty money

And for what?

Johnson & co will be terrified of a Novichok cuppa any day now
644
07/12/2020 18:40:41 7 3
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If Bozo the Clown had no intention of keeping the international agreement he should never have signed it in the first place. If he does break it, then he is no better then Adolf Hitler and the Munich Agreement - signed with no intention of honoring it. Anyone who supports breaking the agreement is no better than the Nazi hangers on in 1938.
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MrW
07/12/2020 18:44:00 5 0
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- No IDEA
711
07/12/2020 18:58:41 6 1
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Threatening to break international law is not a negotiation tactic. It demeans the U.K. in the eyes of the rest of the world.
781
07/12/2020 19:10:46 4 2
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No, it isn’t - it makes you look unreliable (why do you think governance is such an issue now).
829
07/12/2020 19:18:29 3 5
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You know you’re dealing with remoaners, right?.
Try not to spread your stupidity. There's a good troll. Removed
VoR
07/12/2020 19:41:37 6 1
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Since when did negotiation involve creating the impression you can't be trusted to uphold the agreements you make? That weakens your negotiations with other parties well into the future.
07/12/2020 20:04:18 6 1
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Betrayal and law breaking is not negotiation unless you are a gangster
07/12/2020 21:58:10 1 0
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Its just pathetic !
Try not to spread your stupidity to others lad Removed
07/12/2020 22:57:55 2 1
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Breaking an agreement is not negotiantion. That happened before.
07/12/2020 23:29:36 0 0
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Somewhat overly condescending, perhaps?
07/12/2020 23:42:50 0 0
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No job for you mate.
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07/12/2020 17:05:43 29 6
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If there's an agreement the clauses would be moot anyway..
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07/12/2020 17:05:45 86 72
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The bill was introduced as the EU was threatening to block movement of food to N. Ireland. The bill wont be necessary if an agreement is reached. The EU has since continued with various threats of blocking food into the whole of the UK and blocking access to energy. It was all a bit heavy handed from the EU and not what expects from 'friends'.
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07/12/2020 17:10:39 55 41
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"friends" that we've said loudly and clearly that we don't want to be with any more, (and indeed, who we have already left!) and you are surprised they don't want to play nice?
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07/12/2020 17:18:44 15 8
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UK leaving EU so UK has to make the arrangements to leave , i fail to see why anyone including useless UK government fails to appreciate this
I voted leave , but this simple logistical issue is entirely in the hands of the UK government
UK gov and Frog faced Farage etc have lied continually throughout this pantomime are about to be found out to be the jingoistic liars that we all know them to be.
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07/12/2020 17:27:28 10 6
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It was plain to see that Britain was going to use NI as back door into the EU Single Market. It was actually in the DUP manifesto for the last election. The EU are right to close down loop holes that would compromise the Single Market and give a third country free and unchecked access. Mad cow is on the rise again in Britain so that needs to be stopped from spreading again.
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07/12/2020 18:07:45 8 4
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"The bill was introduced as the EU was threatening to block movement of food to N. Ireland"

And you actually wrote that down and thought, mmm yes that makes complete sense I'll post it.

Astonishing.

Not even JOHNSON claims that, clown.
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07/12/2020 18:30:13 7 1
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Not true. The EU was merely threatening to block movement of foodstuffs into NI unless there were processes in place to ensure they weren't then moved into RoI and hence the Single Market. Which is no more than reasonable given we refuse to be a part of the Single Market or comply with its rules and regulations.
VoR
07/12/2020 19:49:32 2 0
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The EU was adhering to the agreement Boris signed us up to. Boris claimed to have a solution and didn't. He lied. Don't try to blame the EU for it. They are just protecting the integrity of their borders from illegal trade.
07/12/2020 19:51:49 0 2
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And not what is expected under the EU treaties for the EU to negotiate in good faith particularly with a country that it has had alignment with for over 40 years. The EU is not worried about the trade implications as it shouldn't be if it is as strong a trading block as we are led to believe. The issue is the Project, a European Federal State and Brexit threatens that.
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07/12/2020 17:06:01 124 19
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Not another U Turn is it ? surely thisPM does not do U turns [is this the 19th or 20th i am losing count].
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07/12/2020 17:29:27 22 93
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So you don’t believe in compromise for successful negotiation?
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:06:06 46 25
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Why are we leaving the most successful free trade bloc that the world has ever known?

Why are we leaving an economic pact with our closest allies that has resulted in peace in Europe?
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07/12/2020 17:08:46 19 27
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no it did not bring about peace in europe, you need to go and get some proper history books and not the EU's propaganda ones
87
07/12/2020 17:10:25 5 2
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Peace in Europe, didn't know we were leaving NATO ?
91
07/12/2020 17:10:59 9 2
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Because, tragically, history repeats itself. We have allowed a plutocratic echelon to control our media and brainwash the general public.
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07/12/2020 17:11:00 7 6
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It is NATO that bought the peace, not the EU and our closest allies are elsewhere.
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07/12/2020 17:11:24 7 4
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Because in 2016, in a referendum on our membership of the EU, the majority of people who voted said they would like us to leave. A rather simple democratic concept that people have stubbornly refused to accept for nearly four years resulting in the pandemonium we’ve had trying to leave. And I voted remain.
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07/12/2020 17:15:14 9 1
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It depends who you are;

Rich: Tax evasion

Employers: The right to exploit employees

The man in the street: Racism and bigotry. look what happened at the Millwall match
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07/12/2020 17:16:27 3 6
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Please get the facts right
the UK has been the most successful free trade block in History and since when has France / Germany been our closed allies

That has been USA and Australia / NZ and the rest of the commonwealth the EU lot have not been our closest allies
08/12/2020 01:21:03 0 0
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Peace in Europe is due to NATO, not the economic pact with the EU and NATO will continue regardless.
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07/12/2020 17:06:18 10 4
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BORIS THE BENDY SPONGE FOOL will get himself politically dead in the Tory ditch.
Several sets of people in the Conservative party are sharpening long thin ferrrous items I understand, to be used from behind Boris
Et Tu Moggie, Redwood, Cash and Bone
Plus the ghost of Maggie
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Gio
07/12/2020 17:14:01 11 1
bbc
Everyone of them share the blame, this is a Tory mess. They are dismantling this country.
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07/12/2020 16:58:38 12 10
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He thinks he's Churchill but he's actually Chamberlain.
64
07/12/2020 17:06:18 4 0
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He thinks he's Churchill but actually he's just a nodding dog.
65
07/12/2020 17:06:41 12 9
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just walk away
280
07/12/2020 17:32:45 1 1
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yes, if I was the EU, I would walk away
6
07/12/2020 16:56:03 620 141
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Sounds like another world beating u-turn.
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07/12/2020 17:06:59 32 102
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Clearly, most people posting on this site claiming to be experts have little or no idea/experience in negotiating mega deals. The Bill was always intended to reinforce leverage and encourage the EU to see that the UK now means business & was no longer led by a majority-less poodle in the form of Theresa May
It gave Boris room to compromise without having to concede our key red lines
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07/12/2020 17:13:22 77 13
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Clearly you think that you are not most people....
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07/12/2020 17:13:37 99 16
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If by "compromise" you mean hastily retreat and backtrack when you realise you look completely foolish in the eyes of the whole world then you're absolutely right!

I'm not an expert in negotiating 'mega deals', nor am I claiming to be, but making threats that you have no ability to keep and that breach international law doesn't really seem like a great negotiating tactic...
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07/12/2020 17:38:56 23 3
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It's just putting lipstick on a pig. The UK does not hold all the cards and a no deal effects us. This is just a bunch of liars trying to shift the blame. If we cant be trusted to uphold an agreement that was signed by the current PM on his Oven ready deal, who else will trust us? This game of chicken will end in a no deal?
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07/12/2020 22:46:12 2 1
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in my lifetime of negotiating business deals, I never found lying and cheating useful.
also, as soon as you are proven to be dishonest, you have no further credibility and are usually doomed to fail....
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07/12/2020 16:55:57 354 114
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Haha! What happened to "bulldog Boris" "EU needs us more than we need them" and here they are compromising. Weak losers ????,
Once you're old enough to vote you'll understand politics and negotiations better. Maybe. Removed
No, that was the Withdrawal Agreement. Remainers aren't too good on details.
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07/12/2020 17:07:10 62 10
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Pretty weak defence of a pretty weak statement
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07/12/2020 17:02:35 445 156
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He is stupid , so he should wear that dunces hat with pride.
How can he? You are wearing it! Removed
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07/12/2020 17:23:30 25 12
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Remove the last four letters from your user name and BINGO ! have a look in the mirror Japs eye .
204
07/12/2020 17:23:32 25 2
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Wow! You should write scripts for cbeebies, so cutting, bet Auld Dug feels well put down!
sam
07/12/2020 19:44:32 1 1
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Are you a Boris poo...dle?
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07/12/2020 17:07:20 21 14
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Seriously, if I was a negotiator representing the EU right now, I'd just kick over that table and fling every last document and folder at these British muppets, yelling "GO! JUST GO! You morons - get the **** out!!"
80
07/12/2020 17:08:50 8 2
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That's exactly what you brexiters want
81
07/12/2020 17:08:56 4 0
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that is why you are not a negotiator
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07/12/2020 17:10:42 4 1
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''If You don't do what we say we'll break the Law!''
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:03:04 414 113
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How is Brexit possibly in the best interest of the UK at the moment?

We already had the best trade deal in the world it was called access to the single market as a result of our EU membership. Anything less than that is damaging to the UK economy
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07/12/2020 17:07:45 14 61
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Mate we have left - get over it
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07/12/2020 16:55:57 354 114
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Haha! What happened to "bulldog Boris" "EU needs us more than we need them" and here they are compromising. Weak losers ????,
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07/12/2020 17:07:48 43 12
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But Brexiteers will rewrite history in their heads to avoid recognizing it as such. They've done it before. Case in point, the Irish and Danish referendums. They're convinced the Irish and Danes voted to leave but the EU demanded reruns. But that isn't what happened. They voted to reject specific terms in treaties, concessions were made, and they voted to agree to the new terms. That's democracy.
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07/12/2020 17:14:32 34 15
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I respectfully disagree. "History is written by the victor", or so the saying goes, yet in Brexit we (and many, many generations to come/the future of the UK) are all losers.
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07/12/2020 17:01:12 298 54
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Here it comes. The inevitable climb down dressed up as magnanimity.

The number of times he’s puffed out his chest and promised it all then run and hid in a fridge when it came time to deliver.

How his support have not yet seen through him is testament to the problems we have with education in this country.
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07/12/2020 17:07:59 120 326
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The Remainer's last stand. When it is over please get behind your country.
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07/12/2020 17:22:15 35 3
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You mean remainers', not remainer's. There is more than one.
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07/12/2020 17:26:42 37 3
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Why should I when we've got a PM who never combs his hair and puts political ideology before people's lives? Which he has done during the pandemic or do you do wot the Sun tells you to?
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07/12/2020 17:48:58 42 3
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Last stand? You’re focus is a little narrow Stanley. No “last” about it. We’ll continue to chip away until the rejoin case is irresistible. Given the demographics of the U.K. that should be about 20 years.

Hopefully you last long enough for me to drink your tears as our glorious return to the EU fold is immortalised on paper. The Euro, Schengen, all of it. And it’ll be your fault.....
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07/12/2020 18:34:07 6 0
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No
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07/12/2020 18:42:42 33 1
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I can't imagine ever being behind Brexit or any country that supports it! Anything that undermines the peace we have endured in Europe between its member states since its inception is plain evil and I'm looking forward to many of these people who spouted the lies, hatred and prejudice which drove it, to be put behind bars. I will indeed be behind my country in delivering justice against them.
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07/12/2020 19:03:06 12 0
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If we have anything left to get behind.
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07/12/2020 19:34:39 16 0
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There is the problem, we always have been, and not suckered in to some grand pipe dream of utopia sold to you by those who stand to gain from your misery. It's like a cult where the leaders have no desire to sacrifice themselves, they just leave that to the gullible.
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07/12/2020 19:35:01 2 0
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I'm not behind any country that indulges the likes of you and other Brexi-tories. I, and millions like me, will be taking our country back from you, the tax dodgers and dirty American right wing cash far sooner than you imagine however!
07/12/2020 19:44:03 1 1
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It obviously isn't their country as their loyalties lie elsewhere.
07/12/2020 19:58:34 6 0
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I am behind my country.

It's the stupendous idiocy of trashing my country's economic growth and reputation on a meaningless and abstract interptretation of independence that I'm against.

It's perhaps you that needs to get behind our country and out from behind that delusional myth the Brexit campaign fooled you with.
07/12/2020 21:28:36 1 0
bbc
NEVER! YOU IGNORANT, WORTHLESS, UNPATRIOTIC DUNCE
07/12/2020 21:32:20 2 0
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I think that's the reason we were against it - because it's going to be so bad for it. It's also quite hard to get behind something when it's run by self-serving tools (unless it's with the intent to return the rogering we're about the recieve).
07/12/2020 22:25:07 1 0
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We've always been behind our country. That's why we are opposed to this Brexit drivel and the damage it will cause Britain in countless ways. You will have to get your head around that over the next few years
07/12/2020 22:52:41 1 0
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They are out in numbers tonight are they not. They take delight in the possible break up of the country not realising they will be an even smaller minority if the U.K. is just England and Wales.
Lemmings.
07/12/2020 22:56:31 1 0
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think you will find we are right behind our country, we have not been played like fish by a bunch of super rich cronies who are happy to wreck the UK for personal gain, pitty you could not work this out for yourself, do you really think the likes of Rhees-Mogg give a fig about you....he is laughing all the way to his new Dublin office, also James Dyson in Singapore, and George Soros in Belgium!
08/12/2020 00:44:22 0 0
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A typically vacuous Brexiter comment
08/12/2020 01:18:01 1 0
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My country right or wrong is one of the most dangerous ideas in history. When my country deserves it, it gets my support but not when it breaks international agreements and acts to make us all poorer and my country less significant in the world. As Dr. Johnson said, 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel'.
08/12/2020 02:28:24 0 0
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How are you doing that? Perhaps you are starting a business that exports to countries outside the EU. I think we should be told
08/12/2020 07:42:21 0 0
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Aha, that old chestnut. For some reason brexiteers think that everyone, regardless of their opinion, is somehow required to make their brexit work. Lols. Maybe you 52% should figure out how to make it work on your own.
08/12/2020 10:22:52 0 0
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I am behind my country - that’s why I voted remain, just because others voted to harm my country doesn’t mean I should get behind it
08/12/2020 13:12:05 0 0
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Foxtrot Oscar back to Russia :)
08/12/2020 13:13:50 0 0
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And that would be an invitation to the Celtic nations to support which country?
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:03:04 414 113
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How is Brexit possibly in the best interest of the UK at the moment?

We already had the best trade deal in the world it was called access to the single market as a result of our EU membership. Anything less than that is damaging to the UK economy
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07/12/2020 17:08:08 9 24
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So you are saying ignore the vote as those who voted to leave are stupid? Surely the issue is was have left. If you want to rejoin then call for a referendum like the SNP do.
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07/12/2020 17:08:12 27 14
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Bollock to Brexit
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07/12/2020 17:40:50 4 0
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what just one...I would say a full set!
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:08:14 432 138
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It was inevitable that the UK government would cave in sooner or later.

Just look at the facts

UK trade with the EU represents 40% of our exports
EU trade with the UK represents 10% of their exports

We have 4 times more to lose.
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07/12/2020 17:12:16 260 59
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Worse odds than that, we now have Biden as president elect. Any trade deal with the US will be more constrained.
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07/12/2020 17:12:41 26 47
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This is a ridiculous premise, as leaving without an agreement would NOT cost the UK 40% of its exports - perhaps 4% at most (10% 0f our trade with the EU).

I'd ask for Remainers to be realistic but that is self evidently beyond hope.
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07/12/2020 17:23:42 17 18
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And EU has £90bn trade surplus now at risk with UK along with tens of thousands of jobs linked to UK exports, so not quite correct as you stated.
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07/12/2020 17:49:05 5 7
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It’s not 10% it’s 16% which is their biggest external market more than China or the US. The 10% figure is when you include their exports to each other.
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07/12/2020 18:30:42 3 6
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The facts are on Euronews, NOT the BBC. - "French Secretary of State for European Affairs, Clément Beaune - "EU granting too many concessions to the UK, in order to avoid a no-deal scenario on December 31.
'We will hold out until the last moment' says Germany On the contrary, Germany, which holds the rotating presidency of the EU and the European Commission, is seeking an agreement "at all costs"
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07/12/2020 18:32:15 3 0
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The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £18 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£97 billion on trade in goods.
The UK had a trade surplus of £49 billion with non-EU countries. A surplus of £83 billion on trade in services outweighed a deficit of -£34 billion on trade in goods.
your numbers meaningless mine from the HOC Library
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07/12/2020 18:36:11 3 0
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There's some awfully significant losers though, within your average 10% of total exports across 27 separate EU countries.

Your analysis assumes the EU is prepared to throw the Irish economy under the proverbial bus.

Or the German car manufacturers or the French farmers, amongst others.
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07/12/2020 18:49:04 0 1
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sorry to be a pedant but UK trade 45%+ with Europe and we are 16% of their exports all the more reason on both to stop fist waving and start to create the working atmosphere all of us need to trade properly after 01/01/21
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07/12/2020 18:33:49 2 3
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Utter rubbish. 2019 Official UK stats: exports to EU were £294bn (43%); EU imports to UK were £374bn (52%). A no-deal is in no countries interest but the EU have far more to lose in trade than the UK. And we wouldn't be supporting corrupt "illiberal" dictatorships like Hungary & Poland, never mind the 17 EU countries who make no contribution at all and are net takers.
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07/12/2020 18:59:24 1 1
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Another way of looking at those figures is the EU exports £80 Billion more to the UK than the UK exports to the EU.
And most of those goods coming from the EU are from the countries that bankroll the EU.
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07/12/2020 19:14:00 0 1
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Just yesterday, I saw that nonsense about how we are a major market and so, the EU would cave - they need us etc. How are stupid people given the vote?
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07/12/2020 19:23:34 0 1
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We are the biggest market in Europe for German cars. Probably not after 30% tariffs are added. And the french and Italians will be in the same boat.
900
07/12/2020 19:11:41 0 1
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You seem to have somehow missed the £90’000’000’000 trade surplus in our favour?!
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07/12/2020 19:30:05 1 2
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This is false equivalence - the EU is not 27 equal partners in economic terms, the few major economies primarily Germany & France have much more in export value to UK. And "4 times more to lose" really shows you don't understand economics - but still keep dog whistling them lefties - they'll trigger every time!
07/12/2020 19:40:56 0 1
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You may want to add some figures then do your maths again.
GD
07/12/2020 19:53:22 0 1
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Not in real terms
07/12/2020 20:12:45 0 1
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So? It does not mean accept a bad deal.
07/12/2020 21:34:42 0 1
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FISH
07/12/2020 21:35:23 0 1
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Not true the EU are a net exporter to the UK to the tune of around £80 to £100 billion per year
07/12/2020 22:33:35 0 1
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When you realise that we import zero from most of the EU countries that 10% is spread across about 6 of the 27 EU countries. Stop misinterpreting the data. It will have a significant impact on Germany, Holland, Belgium France Italy and Spain and zero impact on Slovenia, Croatia, Malta, Portugal, Greece, Luxembourg, Austria, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Bulgaria and Romania.
07/12/2020 23:13:49 0 1
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... and Britain needs the imports more than the EU needs the exports.
07/12/2020 23:28:53 1 1
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Forget percentages, in money terms they sell us more than we sell them. So they would be worse off.
07/12/2020 23:29:29 1 2
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Remoaner mathematics in action ! Brilliant.
08/12/2020 01:13:18 0 1
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You've got that wrong ...it's the other way around ... Go to Felixstowe and see the too container ships full of German cars arriving each week and you'll see who has more to loose .... The EU is nothing but fascist institution
08/12/2020 01:39:20 0 1
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That is not quite true.
A percentage is not an amount.
It is just a percentage.
08/12/2020 02:41:03 0 0
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Well 58% if you include all the EU's trade deals.
08/12/2020 06:20:07 1 0
bbc
You're downplaying the numbers slightly, it's worse than 4 times.
08/12/2020 06:26:53 0 1
bbc
Wrong do the math in currency not a percentage they have much more to lose
08/12/2020 06:57:21 0 1
bbc
And what are the absolute values of those percentages?
08/12/2020 07:37:54 0 1
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40% of UK trade Vs 10% of EU trade? I'm glad you're not my accountant.
The UK had an overall trade deficit of £72 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £23 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of £95 billion on trade in goods.
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07/12/2020 17:05:40 15 11
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An "Oven Ready" Brexit Deal....My derrière

What a complete and total shambles from top to bottom. I truly hate politicians. Everything they touch turns toxic.
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07/12/2020 17:08:15 7 3
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Nice copy and paste from another of your posts on a different HYS thread earlier today - nothing new or constructive to say
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07/12/2020 17:08:35 10 4
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Just get on with it. Both sides. It's been absolutely pathetic all round.
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07/12/2020 17:16:55 1 1
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EXACTLY, still a collection of Privately educated schoolboys and girls fighting over how many marbles they have, and dollies from the girls.
Absurd ideology and politics
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:03:04 414 113
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How is Brexit possibly in the best interest of the UK at the moment?

We already had the best trade deal in the world it was called access to the single market as a result of our EU membership. Anything less than that is damaging to the UK economy
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07/12/2020 17:08:35 7 25
bbc
You have failed to understand our
"FIRST PAST THE POST ELECTORATAL SYSTEM"
so you have to actually have to get our of a nice warm bed and go to vote, failure to do so will result in a result you had no say in then you are lumbered!!
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07/12/2020 17:15:54 57 4
bbc
And you don't understant that winning the vote doesn't mean you get to shut the other side up forever...

Even DJT has found that democracy doesn't work like that!
08/12/2020 10:12:34 0 0
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It's Winner Takes All, more than FPTP.
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07/12/2020 17:07:20 21 14
bbc
Seriously, if I was a negotiator representing the EU right now, I'd just kick over that table and fling every last document and folder at these British muppets, yelling "GO! JUST GO! You morons - get the **** out!!"
80
07/12/2020 17:08:50 8 2
bbc
That's exactly what you brexiters want
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07/12/2020 17:07:20 21 14
bbc
Seriously, if I was a negotiator representing the EU right now, I'd just kick over that table and fling every last document and folder at these British muppets, yelling "GO! JUST GO! You morons - get the **** out!!"
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07/12/2020 17:08:56 4 0
bbc
that is why you are not a negotiator
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07/12/2020 16:58:44 484 100
bbc
Those clauses should never have been part of the bill in the first place, for the sake of honouring the Withdrawal Agreement as a primary manifesto pledge and retaining trust on the international stage.
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07/12/2020 17:09:11 310 521
bbc
The government has a duty to defend both the Good Friday Agreement and the UK internal market. The EU cares about neither of course - apart from the leverage they might gain in keeping UK cash flowing to the continent.
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07/12/2020 17:17:37 46 11
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You need to add "No sense - No idea" to your name here. Clueless.
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07/12/2020 17:17:56 36 7
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And a duty to uphold the Withdrawal Agreement?
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07/12/2020 17:23:49 3 22
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Precisely.
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lol
07/12/2020 17:27:25 18 5
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Well there goes my rights on a continent rather than a country.
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07/12/2020 17:28:09 47 5
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Then Johnson had a duty not to refer to the agreement as oven ready just to get our votes!

If the UK gov cared about the GFA and the internal market they would never have put NI in this position.

In order to give their financial backers what they want, that have promised the impossible to gain the support of those with no hope of benefiting from any supposed protection of the internal market.
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07/12/2020 17:28:43 52 13
bbc
Really? Boris has alreafy wasted more than the entire contributions we made in the last 40 odd years in trying to make Brexit work! It's a scandal that you picked such an incompetent as your champion.
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07/12/2020 17:29:02 47 11
bbc
You actually believe the government is is trying to defend the GFA with these clauses? Wow, that takes gullible to a new level.
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07/12/2020 17:35:06 19 3
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You think the EU doesn't care about the GFA? You do realise the Republic of Ireland is an EU country?
306
07/12/2020 17:36:57 14 5
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Thsi bill certainly does not defend the GFA. The UK government does not care about the GFA.
358
07/12/2020 17:46:12 4 3
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Suck it up buttercup.
542
07/12/2020 18:18:49 18 4
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If your idiot PM did not intend to keep to the WA, then he should not have signed it in the first place.

Not in my name will this bunch of Liars break an international agreement, and I suspect that all right minded people of the UK will feel the same way.

Only Brexnumpties don't give a damn about it.
627
07/12/2020 18:35:28 2 7
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Frankly, that's all the EU is interested in. Without the UK's money those nations who are just nett receivers will suddenly become significant nett contributors to the EU. I can't see Poland and Hungary putting up with that for very long.
718
07/12/2020 18:59:39 3 0
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Why doesn’t tge Eau care about the GFA? Eire is part of the EU.
865
07/12/2020 19:22:41 4 5
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Sorry, since Southern Ireland is a member State of the EU ALL 27 EU countries are obliged to maintain an open border between Northern Ireland (UK) and The Republic of Ireland. Currently it is the EU that refuses to fulfill its obligations. The Irish and/or EU CANNOT put a border in place without ALL 27 countries of the EU breaching The Good Friday Agreement. The UK has NOT breached the agreement.
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NJ
07/12/2020 19:36:31 4 5
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There is no direct link between the Good Friday agreement and the withdrawal agreement. If the EU does not want a border in NI, let it put it between Ireland and the rest of the EU. This make better trading sense than putting a border between parts of the UK.
VoR
07/12/2020 19:42:51 11 0
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And yet, it is the EU and Biden defending the good Friday agreement, not the UK, which betrayed it in an attempt for a short term advantage.
07/12/2020 19:48:10 5 1
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"The government has a duty to defend both the Good Friday Agreement and the UK internal market."

Letting goods flow freely from another market fatally undermines the Internal Market. :S
07/12/2020 20:39:58 6 0
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The government has a duty to defend both the Good Friday Agreement and the UK internal market.

--

Yes, that means Boris shouldn't have signed a deal that threatened these things .
That's why Teresa May said no PM would ever do that.
08/12/2020 00:41:50 2 0
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Very silly and a typical Express view.
Ben
08/12/2020 00:41:56 1 0
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So do the Irish government. If a deal cannot be made, there are responsibility on both side. Not just the UK. I can't see any media criticising the Irish for putting any effort in keeping the agreement.
08/12/2020 01:10:06 3 0
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The EU may not care about the UK internal market but they care a great deal about the GFA. The EU is a guarantor of the GFA and the Republic of Ireland is an EU member state. As the UK is slowly beginning to realise the EU looks after the interests of their members before those of non-EU countries.
08/12/2020 01:19:28 3 0
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I believe our prudent plotters are the ones trying to gain leverage from the GFA.
08/12/2020 01:37:31 0 0
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The EU only cares, selfishly, about itself.
08/12/2020 06:24:51 1 0
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A modicum of sense would tell that the UK is choosing to breech the Good Friday Agreement, is choosing to break international law, and is choosing to make us an international laughing stock; not in any way shape or form the fault of the EU.

Just because the government is attempting to manipulate people into believing this madness, doesn't mean that it is true in any regards.
08/12/2020 06:35:26 2 0
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yes- the Good Friday Agreement was only possible by being part of the same EU, there is no single way that both NI/EU border and UK/NI border will be free while UK is outside EU! that was the case before the referendum, that is why the everybody involved in negotiating and agreeing the GFA warned you before the referendum- what you leavers say?: project fear - now face project reality
08/12/2020 06:56:35 0 1
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Why defend the good Friday agreement?
The IRA have killed people since, Labour have made our soldiers suspects and criminals since, and given get out of gaol cards to republican terrorists since?
PB
08/12/2020 08:56:10 0 0
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Biden will have the final say
08/12/2020 09:52:19 0 0
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The EU is a guarantor of the GFA. Anyone born in NI is entitled to an Irish passport meaning they retain EU citizenship.
83
07/12/2020 17:07:32 12 18
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It will be a no deal, it cannot be anything else if we are to keep our sovereignty intact as the EU is an authoritarian tyrannical beast that wants us under its yoke
111
07/12/2020 17:13:08 2 0
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Ha! Ha! who is laughing now? Wake up from your dream world.

To be honest its a great negotiation tactic - we'll remove illegal items from our bill if you give us a deal.
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07/12/2020 17:15:23 1 1
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Exactly.
So why has this gone on for four and half years over three PRIME MINISTERS and possibly soon to be a forth PM.

Will they the Conservative parties Grandees get some with a backbone coupled to enough calcium phosphate in it and able to stand up straight, to walk away.
Or very soon NO CONSERVATIVE PARTY DUE TO NO VOTES.
169
07/12/2020 17:18:43 4 1
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Wrong, we had a veto no one forced us to do anthing. We want out but want the benefits of being in. So we have to abide by rules we no longer have any say in. So that is a moronic way of taking back control.
84
07/12/2020 17:09:29 6 8
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So the world beating liar with the loo brush hair is going to complete the humiliation. Had a little chat with Biden have we? Fishnet tights have nothing to do with fishing quotas. Perhaps next year when Trump is out of work we can get him over here to show us the how to do a deal.
56
07/12/2020 17:05:27 10 11
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So the prospect of breaking international law was added as bargaining chip then. What a bunch of crooks.
85
07/12/2020 17:09:59 5 3
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If the end result is positive, then I would call it inspired.

All's fair in love and war, and the conduct of many countries in the EU in certain areas cannot always be construed as legal.
151
07/12/2020 17:16:39 2 0
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Explain that to the thug who promises not to break your windows as long as you pay him not to.
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:06:06 46 25
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Why are we leaving the most successful free trade bloc that the world has ever known?

Why are we leaving an economic pact with our closest allies that has resulted in peace in Europe?
86
07/12/2020 17:08:46 19 27
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no it did not bring about peace in europe, you need to go and get some proper history books and not the EU's propaganda ones
339
07/12/2020 17:42:59 3 0
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My history books are fine. Where did you buy yours from? Woolworths?
344
07/12/2020 17:43:30 3 0
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you seem to be somewhat at odds to Winston, and, indeed, Boris before he spotted his big power grab opportunity. Still shouting rubbish has worked really well so far so crack on
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:06:06 46 25
bbc
Why are we leaving the most successful free trade bloc that the world has ever known?

Why are we leaving an economic pact with our closest allies that has resulted in peace in Europe?
87
07/12/2020 17:10:25 5 2
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Peace in Europe, didn't know we were leaving NATO ?
60
07/12/2020 17:05:45 86 72
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The bill was introduced as the EU was threatening to block movement of food to N. Ireland. The bill wont be necessary if an agreement is reached. The EU has since continued with various threats of blocking food into the whole of the UK and blocking access to energy. It was all a bit heavy handed from the EU and not what expects from 'friends'.
88
07/12/2020 17:10:39 55 41
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"friends" that we've said loudly and clearly that we don't want to be with any more, (and indeed, who we have already left!) and you are surprised they don't want to play nice?
199
07/12/2020 17:20:23 18 17
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Oh do please grow up. Not even the most extreme opponent of the EU has said we don't wish to remain friends with European nations, or that we wish to cut ties with them.
No wonder fundamentalist Remainers a looked upon with derision.
36
07/12/2020 17:02:37 137 21
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... and why should the EU believe Boris this time...he lied to them last time
89
07/12/2020 17:10:40 9 23
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Correct, which is what the bendy sponge Boris wants until they cannot distinguish between his alternative reality and the EU's (also Donald Tusk's) version of reality!!
Take your PICK
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07/12/2020 17:07:20 21 14
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Seriously, if I was a negotiator representing the EU right now, I'd just kick over that table and fling every last document and folder at these British muppets, yelling "GO! JUST GO! You morons - get the **** out!!"
90
07/12/2020 17:10:42 4 1
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''If You don't do what we say we'll break the Law!''
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:06:06 46 25
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Why are we leaving the most successful free trade bloc that the world has ever known?

Why are we leaving an economic pact with our closest allies that has resulted in peace in Europe?
91
07/12/2020 17:10:59 9 2
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Because, tragically, history repeats itself. We have allowed a plutocratic echelon to control our media and brainwash the general public.
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GSP
07/12/2020 17:03:46 12 11
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Hold your nerve Boris!
92
07/12/2020 17:10:59 8 2
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Would make a change from what he's normally holding.
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:06:06 46 25
bbc
Why are we leaving the most successful free trade bloc that the world has ever known?

Why are we leaving an economic pact with our closest allies that has resulted in peace in Europe?
93
07/12/2020 17:11:00 7 6
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It is NATO that bought the peace, not the EU and our closest allies are elsewhere.
94
07/12/2020 17:10:02 7 15
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Here we go again ... yet another brexit hys remoanfest
118
07/12/2020 17:13:44 3 2
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Boris may climb down as the EU isn't happy with him.

That's him being a cowardly turncoat as normal.

Not a Remoanfest.
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Gio
07/12/2020 17:17:30 1 0
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Go somewhere else, nobody is forcing you to be on here.
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07/12/2020 17:11:01 41 7
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If a deal is labelled "oven-ready", you do not usually expect to have to take it out of the oven, remove the bits you were supposed to take out before you put it in the oven, and then put it back in the oven again.
608
07/12/2020 18:31:44 15 1
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I doubt Johnson has ever had to do his own cooking....
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07/12/2020 16:58:08 42 22
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They should remove the clauses first to give the EU some confidence in the UK's intent. I would not sign anything with Boris Johnson unless it was absolutely guaranteed and even that does not mean he who honour it.
I would trust the EU even less. They have form. Just see the 1500 disputes ongoing before the ECJ.
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MVP
07/12/2020 17:06:06 46 25
bbc
Why are we leaving the most successful free trade bloc that the world has ever known?

Why are we leaving an economic pact with our closest allies that has resulted in peace in Europe?
97
07/12/2020 17:11:24 7 4
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Because in 2016, in a referendum on our membership of the EU, the majority of people who voted said they would like us to leave. A rather simple democratic concept that people have stubbornly refused to accept for nearly four years resulting in the pandemonium we’ve had trying to leave. And I voted remain.
28
07/12/2020 17:01:05 945 224
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Threatening to break international law then backing down doesn't make you look strong, it makes you look stupid.
98
07/12/2020 17:11:48 12 10
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But Boris the Square bendy sponge pants has it all in something/where
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07/12/2020 17:04:37 198 24
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Ouch! I wonder how Boris will spin this as a success.

The only thing that made his plan "oven ready" is that it was half baked.

Although I hear there are plans for a Brevity version of Monopoly, where you can only get loads of money if you went to school with Boris (or his mates) and no one ever goes to jail.
99
07/12/2020 17:11:51 18 104
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Perhaps he has been taking lessons from Little Nicola from every sperical up she has been creating with her Covid decisons
812
07/12/2020 19:15:55 5 3
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Stfu
08/12/2020 08:06:27 1 0
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If only Nicola was the UKs PM, we would all be able to hold our heads high.
08/12/2020 13:14:28 0 0
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F. Off :)
100
07/12/2020 17:12:01 2 0
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without trump's trade deal, undermining the politics of the regions so as to open up the whole of the UK to US food and financial services is less relevant