Covid vaccine: What you need to know about vaccine safety
09/12/2020 | news | health | 1,014
And how to immunise yourself against the spread of fake news about what medicines work.
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09/12/2020 10:32:03 18 14
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I’ll have the jab, but just inoculate a few million first.
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09/12/2020 11:34:11 3 16
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Have you ever thought the 1st roll out could be a placebo to gain public trust?...
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09/12/2020 10:35:00 73 32
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Had loads of jabs for international travel over past 30 years and apart from occasional sore or dead feeling arm for 24 hours never had any issues, it’s the small minded minority dabbling in upflow comments on social media that trying to restrict confidence
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09/12/2020 10:37:07 23 40
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Were they mRNA vaccines?
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09/12/2020 12:36:49 1 6
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Balderdash sunnie!
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09/12/2020 14:10:49 0 0
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Oh you mean the doctors do ya
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09/12/2020 14:31:09 3 1
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Apples and pears ...
I've crossed many roads on foot for travel over past 40 years. Never even been close to being hit by a car. Should be OK to cross M25 tomorrow.

As the investors say: Past performance is no indicator of future success.
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09/12/2020 10:35:30 190 37
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I'll be having the vaccination as soon as I'm offered it.
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09/12/2020 10:44:59 102 26
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Me too
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09/12/2020 11:01:48 27 8
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Yep
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09/12/2020 11:05:32 22 28
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Good for you, it's your free choice as to whether you do. It's also everyone elses free choice whether to have it or not. respect freedom of choice, or your freedom of choice will be removed too. You don;t want that.
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09/12/2020 11:15:25 40 7
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Me too.

And to anyone screaming about having this forced on us - it isn’t.

No-one in this free country can be compelled to have the vaccine. Just very strongly encouraged to do so.
Heard the new about Tory Trumpist BrexiteEr government enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines ?

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION ?
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09/12/2020 11:29:42 25 3
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I will be too, to avoid the risk of a long covid or being one of the small numbers in my age group that get hit particularly hard.
Unfortunately, it looks like I'm bottom of the pile for getting one.
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09/12/2020 12:15:58 7 18
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Why?
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09/12/2020 12:22:40 3 7
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And to be honest you’ll be forced to have it, whether you want it or not. Of course, they’ll say that officially, but Gove has already been forced into denial
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09/12/2020 12:42:51 3 6
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bend over skippy
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09/12/2020 12:34:02 4 8
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Well, more fool you!
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09/12/2020 13:21:11 4 1
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The option being Covid and perpetual lockdown as the alternative it's a no brainer really.
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09/12/2020 13:43:38 3 0
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Me too
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09/12/2020 13:57:40 0 7
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 18:02:18 1 4
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Good. People who are vaccinated, and those exempted because of allergies, should be given a paper to certify their status. The paper should be presented on demand in all public places, shops, buses, trains, airports etc. Anyone without one should not be granted access, but be sent for testing. We need to take this seriously, and ignore those who would prefer to place us at risk.
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09/12/2020 20:42:21 0 0
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me too but under hospital or gp surgeries. With the availability
of resuscitation I have a egg allergy (Most vaccine and anaesthetics are egg related ) I carry a epipen with crossed fingers. They did have 2 flue vaccines once. One with use for egg allergy sufferers. THE MIND BOGGLES I just hope to reach my 75th birthday ;)
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Len
09/12/2020 23:51:50 2 0
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Me to
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Sue
10/12/2020 08:19:38 1 0
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Likewise!
10/12/2020 21:56:29 0 0
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There's an equation. Do an algo ;)
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09/12/2020 10:29:56 25 19
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After all the dodgy stats, Draconian measures and Beeb propaganda I don't really know what to believe.
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09/12/2020 11:11:43 6 5
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Common sense?
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09/12/2020 10:36:16 13 14
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The problem is, people who have quite legitimate concerns about a very new vaccine which uses very new technology (mRNA) are being tarred with labels such as"antivaxxer" and "flat earther".

Marginalising this group is completely counterproductive and simply raises more questions than it answers.

Many eminent minds have concerns about this vaccine, and no amount of "fact checks" will change that.
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09/12/2020 11:49:57 3 5
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That's exactly what an antivaxxer would say
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09/12/2020 12:06:15 3 1
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It's the same process with climate change deniers, so which is it to be, science by consensus or listen to anyone with a different theory and essentially not progress anything?
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09/12/2020 12:36:56 3 2
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No, mRNA technology has been around for decades. Labels never help, but there is a frustration regarding a lack of applied reason and logic that is behind it.
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09/12/2020 10:36:44 41 14
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I agree that vaccine side effects are rare, but are certainly not unheard of. For balance, your article should have referenced the Pandemrix vaccine for the 2009 flu pandemic which could cause narcolepsy.
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09/12/2020 11:04:09 38 6
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No one knows if the side effects of this vaccine are rare or not! They’ve only just started dishing it out!
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09/12/2020 11:09:58 4 2
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Only 0.004% of people who took the vaccine were affected.
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09/12/2020 11:17:13 4 5
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Science, in particular data analytics and machine learning modelling, have advanced so much in the last few years that 2009 is irrelevant. They now know what will work and what won't, it isn't all trial and error and wait-and-see any more, just refining the dosage and evidencing results in live tests.
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mj
09/12/2020 11:45:07 7 3
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this is misleading, there was widespread analysis of 650,000 people who took the vaccine for the 2009 swine flu and there was not shown to be an increased risk of narcolepsy associated with the vaccine.

per:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html#:~:text=An%20increased%20risk%20of%20narcolepsy,countries%20also%20detected%20an%20association.
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09/12/2020 11:50:08 4 12
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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QED
09/12/2020 12:20:47 3 2
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As can the flu, and the chances of getting it from the flu itself are much higher than from being vaccinated.
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09/12/2020 15:47:22 2 0
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Have you actually read the article? The article clearly states for example that certain vaccines in the past had about a 1 in 1,000,000 change to give you Guillain–Barré syndrome.
The article also clearly states that no drug and no vaccine is ever perfect and 100% safe. There will always be SOME adverse effects.
The risk of vaccination has to be weighed against the risk of covid. Covid is riskier.
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09/12/2020 23:55:39 1 0
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The point is that whilst side effects MAY be possible, on balance the risks are FAR smaller than the risk from the disease they're protecting against. NOTHING has total zero risk, and that certainly includes not being vaccinated.
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09/12/2020 10:36:44 37 22
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No problems at all with getting the vaccine. If people don't want the vaccine that's up to them, but the government needs to start taking action on all this fake news on the internet.
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09/12/2020 11:19:12 29 5
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That’s a fine line there and a direct route to authoritarianism.

There will be statistical outliers who do have bad experiences and telling them that their lived experience is “fake news” and silencing them is not what democratic countries should do.
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09/12/2020 11:24:09 6 9
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Totally agree. It's sowing doubt in people's minds. If we want things to go back to normal, we need most people to have the vaccine.
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09/12/2020 12:27:30 0 3
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Poor countries can afford to immunize only about 10% of their population, probably the rich. It'll come back to us eventually. It only takes one person on a jet.
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09/12/2020 13:41:47 0 0
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Oh really? And who decides what constitutes "fake news"?
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Ish
10/12/2020 01:29:02 0 0
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@library90
Easy to say. So Ok, just what are they supposed to do? The only way to "stop" fake news would be to cut the country off from the internet. Maybe you should learn how the internet works...
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09/12/2020 10:37:01 46 31
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You need to know that Vaccines are safe and people saying otherwise are talking nonsense
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RM
09/12/2020 11:09:18 11 15
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Exactly!
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09/12/2020 11:56:51 4 2
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Most vaccines are safe, some have caused problems, like the tainted polio vax given to Indian children.
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Rob
09/12/2020 12:19:21 13 2
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Such blind faith should be reserved for the likes of religion.

It is not wrong to want to know all associated risks before committing to an irreversible decision.
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09/12/2020 15:08:33 1 0
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Say that to a girl I looked after for 2 years. She, and other 4 girls, got a bad batch of the mmr vaccine. They all developed epilepsy and the whole situation damaged her brain beyond recognition. It took 4 years! She now doesn't talk, walk, and is an adult woman stuck in a 4 year's old body. Her story was once shown on tv. Just awful!
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09/12/2020 10:35:00 73 32
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Had loads of jabs for international travel over past 30 years and apart from occasional sore or dead feeling arm for 24 hours never had any issues, it’s the small minded minority dabbling in upflow comments on social media that trying to restrict confidence
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09/12/2020 10:37:07 23 40
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Were they mRNA vaccines?
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09/12/2020 11:18:03 13 4
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Why are you worried about mRNA vaccines?
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09/12/2020 11:28:38 18 3
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Everything you need to know about mRNA vaccines. They have been studied for decades.
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09/12/2020 14:39:33 2 0
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Hello Mr Antivaxxer.

You do know that the mRNA scare stuff has been thoroughly debunked don't you?
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09/12/2020 10:37:09 4 17
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What amazes me is this species's prevailing arrogance, it must be part of the human condition I guess.. the constant self applause and rapture at our own achievements.. in this case an alleged vaccine with proven limited effectiveness.. we can't beat nature, we are part of nature.. this is not a panacea and will not suddenly curtail the pandemic.
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09/12/2020 10:39:07 15 2
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we 'beat' smallpox, a virus that was causing 7% of all deaths
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09/12/2020 10:44:39 2 6
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Agree - the injected microchip thing is balleaux.

What about a CoVID passport though, that could be introduced? Zahawi said it could happen, Gove denied it.

Imagine having to take this vaccine to do anything, and having to have it to get an e-ticket of some kind to enter cafes, pubs etc.

Is that really where we want to go as a society? Mandatory-by-stealth medical procedures?
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09/12/2020 10:38:40 9 21
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Why do i need a vaccine that is 70-95% effective when my immune system is 99% effective? I'm just really curious not trying to be difficult or argumentitive. I'm under 40 and healthy.
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09/12/2020 10:40:53 15 8
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because the vaccine makes your immune system 70 - 95% more effective that it would be otherwise
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09/12/2020 10:41:58 3 5
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You don't
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09/12/2020 10:45:01 8 3
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Because it will prevent you carrying it and spreading it to the more vulnerable. Your immune system will fight it but not stop you carrying it if you are infected.
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09/12/2020 10:51:42 7 5
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Because, unless you've missed the last 10 months, this virus spreads like wildfire. You may be under 40 and healthy and may shrug off the virus or not even know you have it, but you can transmit it to multiple others very easily and many older people are dying horrible deaths as a result of catching it. So the more people out there with immunity to the virus, the less it spreads. Etc .(slaps face)
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09/12/2020 10:56:15 2 2
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It's because the vaccine triggers your immune response, more safely than the live virus and by doing so makes you immune to the live virus.
But a vaccine doesn't work every time, so is described as being less than 100% effective. In your figures, 70+%
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09/12/2020 12:10:00 3 4
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Take the jab so you don't become a "spreader" to your loved ones and others.
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09/12/2020 10:38:47 115 20
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My fav anti-vax thing is when they say the govt are trying to track you through the jab. What, you don't think they are already able to do that just through you phone and debit card??? Also, is this the same govt you think are totally inept in every single way? Take a moment to think things through, genius!
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09/12/2020 11:37:52 19 4
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You mean the civil service - no one in the government does anything (Freudian slip)
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09/12/2020 11:40:32 4 2
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I know. It doesn’t seem enough to stay in the realms of ‘false but vaguely plausible’ for some people.
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09/12/2020 14:27:51 1 0
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Imagine if we could get bots? Not only Immunity from Covid but a personal Sat Navand I can also dump all my devices like my phone, laptop (and windows 10 or OS), wave my hands around when Gaming, instead of an XBox.

Thanks Antivaxxers! Whats not to like?

My mate said He would use them for online banking. At least I think thats what He said.
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09/12/2020 15:19:46 0 0
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The government has spent £120B on track and trace and can't get it to work yet anti-vaxers think they will trace and control you thru a jab :-))))
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10/12/2020 10:29:39 0 0
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My favourite anti-vaxxer story is the one which states that this vaccine was not designed to stop transmissions, was not designed to stop anyone from becoming infected, was not designed to reduce the number of cases and will have no effect on the 'R' number.......ooh wait a mo, these stories are all true !
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09/12/2020 10:38:49 3 1
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The known side effects of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine are summarised in this official note for patients

Given today’s news, this will likely now have to be updated to highlight allergic reactions.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940566/Information_for_UK_recipients_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.p
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09/12/2020 10:37:09 4 17
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What amazes me is this species's prevailing arrogance, it must be part of the human condition I guess.. the constant self applause and rapture at our own achievements.. in this case an alleged vaccine with proven limited effectiveness.. we can't beat nature, we are part of nature.. this is not a panacea and will not suddenly curtail the pandemic.
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09/12/2020 10:39:07 15 2
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we 'beat' smallpox, a virus that was causing 7% of all deaths
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09/12/2020 10:41:04 1 7
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Yes, after years of research, and no global travel to spread it as effectively
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09/12/2020 10:41:57 0 5
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Plus, to my knowledge, that is the only pathogen we have eliminated... apart from secure stores of it in govt research facilities...
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09/12/2020 10:39:07 52 13
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Three former US Presidents have decided they’ll take the vaccine publicly; perhaps if some of our well-known politicians do the same this will help increase our vaccine uptake levels.
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09/12/2020 10:46:38 44 31
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So the vaccine they get publicly could be anything. It could be a Flu jab.
They need to stop treating people like kids.
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pTc
09/12/2020 10:48:06 14 8
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Are people really influenced by other people who do stuff. That is a really poor way to lead your life. Do your own independent research, look at the actual stats, read the studies and make up your own mind.
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09/12/2020 10:46:47 19 2
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But they can't can they, unless they are older than 80 and wait their turn on the list because if they don't the entire population will jump on the fact they are queue jumping. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The public are VERY fickle!
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09/12/2020 10:55:47 5 7
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Our well-known politicians have already had the illness. What is the point of the vaccine for them?
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09/12/2020 11:24:59 0 7
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Do you remember that great courageous leader Bruce Ismay, CEO of Whitestar liners and on board the Titanic pushing them to break records? When the anti-lifeboaters were on board worried about the flimsy lifeboats and listening to the band play he decided to jump on board to demonstrate the safety of the lifeboats....well history now has a different opinion of him
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09/12/2020 11:49:46 0 17
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 12:44:37 2 1
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Would it help? I'm not sure I want any of our current government jumping the queue to get protected: I'd rather 90 year old 'Gladys' in the care home got the shot for living a good life ahead of any incompetent, self centred politician.
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09/12/2020 13:12:23 0 1
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They will be accused of jumping the queqe
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09/12/2020 13:21:03 1 1
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Most of our MPs aren't old enough to qualify for the jab yet.
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09/12/2020 13:40:16 1 0
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Any serious anti vaxxer will just assume it's a dummy jab.
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09/12/2020 13:58:20 0 0
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Will the Queen be televised live taking the Pfizer vaccine ?
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09/12/2020 14:10:11 0 0
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Problem with that is there will immediately be cries of the privileged jumping the queue.
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09/12/2020 14:10:16 0 1
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Indeed, it would be full of water.

Lets get Boris and his hangers on to have the vaccine live on TV given by a member of the public under guidance.

More chance of seeing Elvis riding Shergar at Cheltenham this week end
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09/12/2020 14:20:23 0 3
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Do you really think what they will be injected with is actually the vaccine? Errr, I don't think so. They won't receive poisonous toxins, the slaves will though
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09/12/2020 14:21:54 0 1
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Your post says more about your general distrust of politicians than the vaccine. Would it not be enough for them so simply confirm they’ve had it or does it have to be a public spectacle?
Also the ex President stunt is probably a risky strategy given their age. What if one of them died shortly afterwards?
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09/12/2020 15:12:04 0 0
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Our politicians should be the last to get it
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09/12/2020 16:58:52 0 0
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Why should politicians not wait their turn
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09/12/2020 10:38:40 9 21
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Why do i need a vaccine that is 70-95% effective when my immune system is 99% effective? I'm just really curious not trying to be difficult or argumentitive. I'm under 40 and healthy.
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09/12/2020 10:40:53 15 8
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because the vaccine makes your immune system 70 - 95% more effective that it would be otherwise
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pTc
09/12/2020 10:49:23 1 3
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99.7% affective, is not more significant than 99% effective.
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09/12/2020 11:07:27 0 8
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prove that statement with corroborated evidence.

A virus that causes a disease in less than 18% of people who encounter it, and serious symptoms in fewer than 1%, death in 0.0008%, I think I'll take my chances when confronted with an untested vaccine that caused serious adverse reactions in at least 2 people on day 1.
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09/12/2020 10:39:07 15 2
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we 'beat' smallpox, a virus that was causing 7% of all deaths
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09/12/2020 10:41:04 1 7
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Yes, after years of research, and no global travel to spread it as effectively
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09/12/2020 11:02:22 5 1
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We did have global travel, even jet aeroplanes and mass travel, as far back as the 1960s. Smallpox was declared eradicated in the wild in 1980. It was eradicated using vaccination - discovered by Jenner back in the 1700s. Research continues.
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09/12/2020 10:39:07 15 2
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we 'beat' smallpox, a virus that was causing 7% of all deaths
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09/12/2020 10:41:57 0 5
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Plus, to my knowledge, that is the only pathogen we have eliminated... apart from secure stores of it in govt research facilities...
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09/12/2020 10:45:24 7 1
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In most parts of the world it's true for Polio. HIV is now treatable such that being HIV positive no longer impacts life expectancy or quality of life
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09/12/2020 10:38:40 9 21
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Why do i need a vaccine that is 70-95% effective when my immune system is 99% effective? I'm just really curious not trying to be difficult or argumentitive. I'm under 40 and healthy.
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09/12/2020 10:41:58 3 5
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You don't
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09/12/2020 10:42:04 10 8
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Any reports on the two health care workers who suffered adverse effects from the Vaccine.Now not advised for anyone who has had significant reaction to foods or medicine
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09/12/2020 10:51:33 2 2
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Yes, I saw that on the news this morning. I'm wondering if the vaccine is safe for those of us who are suffering from Coeliacs Disease.
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09/12/2020 10:54:00 1 4
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How can anyone mark you down? Those people did have that reaction and that is the advice from regulators. What is there to mark down?
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09/12/2020 10:57:50 4 6
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But that doesn't make any sense because the regulator said after it approved the vaccine that there was no evidence that the vaccine was a problem for people with allergies.

This vaccine has not been rushed, it has been fully tested, fully reviewed and no shortcuts taken.
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09/12/2020 11:22:28 2 1
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They would be in hospital and treated quickly. They probably had a history of suffering from allergic reactions to some food/medicines.
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09/12/2020 10:42:08 32 14
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If this pandemic was the Black Death, I would be willing to risk taking a fast-tracked experimental vaccine.
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09/12/2020 10:43:35 33 13
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but this isn't Black Death and the vaccine is licensed, not experimental
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09/12/2020 10:44:11 8 2
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Indeed
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09/12/2020 10:42:47 71 47
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What I need to know about vaccines, I will not get from the BBC.
You’ve done absolutely nothing during this Covid period other than roll with the dogmatic approach and spread fear.
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09/12/2020 11:04:00 38 51
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They're reporting the news....

You are the equivalent of a Trump supporter (I can't say anything more mean without being censored).
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09/12/2020 11:50:34 2 10
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VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
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09/12/2020 12:15:40 3 9
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Maybe if you feel this virus is not dangerous I could take you on a tour of the churchill hospital covid ward.

You wont need PPE as according to you its not dangerous.

We will look forward then to feeding you through a tube, while you wear nappies and are face down on the bed in a medically induced coma

When you recover if we are unlucky you can change your crass opinion
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09/12/2020 14:51:12 1 1
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Most of us find these articles informative and straightforward & based on science, which is a damn sight more than a number of popular papers I can think of.

You probably have a comprehension issue and can't assimilate facts.
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09/12/2020 14:59:52 1 1
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Agree.

How do you spot fake news? If the source has an opinion, it is fake news. Quite obviously the BBC has an opinion/agenda (and not just on covid).
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09/12/2020 20:04:52 0 0
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Exactly. To those who believe everything the BBC say, check out their statement in this article that the vaccine will reduce Covid cases by 95%. Even the manufacturer is not claiming that - it is 95% effective in those who take it. Many 'cases' will not have had the vaccine, and a vaccine reduces symptoms, rather than cases. Question everything you read or hear from the BBC.
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09/12/2020 10:42:57 170 52
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What folk need to know...scientists are better at science than some bloke on Facebook.

Quit crying, stick your pseudo science, pop your mask on and roll your sleeve up when it’s time.

We shouldn’t need this explaining
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09/12/2020 10:45:05 60 19
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I dont engage with any form of social media, I make my own mind up, using collation, analysis and use of evidence.
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09/12/2020 10:57:33 21 46
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Slight issue, my wife is a doctor, my daughter in law a doctor, my son a PhD scientist and none of them are having a vaccine that has not been tested for many things (fertility and interaction with other medicines being just two).

Now this morning we learn of two serious adverse reactions on day one.
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09/12/2020 11:36:04 8 18
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what scientists are not very good at, is attempting to run the country, they have overstepped their area of expertise many times this year, with disastrous damage done to our economy, and like it or not, you will need a pretty good economy to foot the bill for this mess.
VERY keen to take Pfizer vaccine ASAP for me & to contribute to herd immunity

BUT

Brexit-govt announced enforcing MIX-AND-MATCH vaccines for ALL without performing appropriate scientific trials for health safety approval as was required for the individual vaccines

Mentioned in news yesterday then abruptly pulled from BBC website - POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC CENSORSHIP ON VACCINE INFORMATION?
Removed
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Dee
09/12/2020 11:51:02 4 16
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Scientists, in this case, are there to make money via their product. Is it fake news when the MHRA has said resuscitation equipment needs to be on hand for the vaccine?
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09/12/2020 12:20:24 1 5
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Ah yes, officialdom. Goebbels was propaganda minister for the nazis. That obviously made their actions legitimate. For goodness sake, think about what you’re saying first and why the media tell you certain things and not others
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09/12/2020 12:45:10 2 5
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mask and covid vaccine are the pseudo science , it all gets found out in the end , thats the beauty of science , fools get found out
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09/12/2020 14:06:58 0 1
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Ok Jude so what about the Doctors on Tick Tock advising the vaccine isn't safe.What you got to say about that then??
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09/12/2020 14:32:56 1 1
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Any scientist will tell you the more we know the more we don't know, for every question answered in science it produces two more.

Will Covid 19 mutate ? Probably

Will it mutate into something more deadly ? Possibly.

Do I want to be vaccinated against it ? Definitely.
24
09/12/2020 10:43:33 7 12
bbc
CEO of Astra Zeneca says everyone should have the vaccine Well he would say that wouldn't he
37
09/12/2020 10:48:40 9 2
bbc
Talking rubbish, Astra Zeneca are doing this for non profit so he is just supporting the scientific argument.
21
09/12/2020 10:42:08 32 14
bbc
If this pandemic was the Black Death, I would be willing to risk taking a fast-tracked experimental vaccine.
25
09/12/2020 10:43:35 33 13
bbc
but this isn't Black Death and the vaccine is licensed, not experimental
31
09/12/2020 10:46:27 0 11
bbc
Yes, the bubonic plague (currently licensed as botox for cosmetic treatments) was spread by a third party vector.. covid needs no such vector, purely human contact
10/12/2020 21:55:07 0 0
bbc
In as much as the license is only temporary it is experimental to a degree.
21
09/12/2020 10:42:08 32 14
bbc
If this pandemic was the Black Death, I would be willing to risk taking a fast-tracked experimental vaccine.
26
09/12/2020 10:44:11 8 2
bbc
Indeed
10
09/12/2020 10:37:09 4 17
bbc
What amazes me is this species's prevailing arrogance, it must be part of the human condition I guess.. the constant self applause and rapture at our own achievements.. in this case an alleged vaccine with proven limited effectiveness.. we can't beat nature, we are part of nature.. this is not a panacea and will not suddenly curtail the pandemic.
27
09/12/2020 10:44:39 2 6
bbc
Agree - the injected microchip thing is balleaux.

What about a CoVID passport though, that could be introduced? Zahawi said it could happen, Gove denied it.

Imagine having to take this vaccine to do anything, and having to have it to get an e-ticket of some kind to enter cafes, pubs etc.

Is that really where we want to go as a society? Mandatory-by-stealth medical procedures?
3
09/12/2020 10:35:30 190 37
bbc
I'll be having the vaccination as soon as I'm offered it.
28
09/12/2020 10:44:59 102 26
bbc
Me too
463
CJR
09/12/2020 12:28:08 7 3
bbc
Me three
531
09/12/2020 12:43:26 3 12
bbc
Best of luck with Russian roulette
875
09/12/2020 16:51:26 2 0
bbc
Me too
10/12/2020 23:29:35 0 0
bbc
I will not be having a test or a vaccine - I will do nothing to make this govt look better than it is.
23
09/12/2020 10:42:57 170 52
bbc
What folk need to know...scientists are better at science than some bloke on Facebook.

Quit crying, stick your pseudo science, pop your mask on and roll your sleeve up when it’s time.

We shouldn’t need this explaining
29
09/12/2020 10:45:05 60 19
bbc
I dont engage with any form of social media, I make my own mind up, using collation, analysis and use of evidence.
47
09/12/2020 10:50:33 37 2
bbc
except HYS.
48
09/12/2020 10:51:19 32 12
bbc
Excellent decision and wish more were the same, so I assume you understand it’s not bill gates spying on 90 year olds but a fantastic achievement
66
CJR
09/12/2020 10:54:36 16 1
bbc
What’s this platform then? It’s social and the BBC are media.
145
09/12/2020 11:14:21 14 3
bbc
But are you smart enough to draw your own conclusions? A large proportion of society seems to have tried to do the same and arrived at childish conclusions.
253
09/12/2020 11:41:33 0 3
bbc
Wise move Billy, you are simply not a lamb.
375
RPH
09/12/2020 12:09:23 3 1
bbc
HYS is social media.
482
09/12/2020 12:33:12 7 2
bbc
Sorry, but "stuff" on YouTube from a discredited US doctor isnt evidence, neither is the nonsense that David Icke makes up.
515
09/12/2020 12:40:05 0 1
bbc
SO, what are you using to send this message - semaphore?
561
09/12/2020 12:53:00 0 1
bbc
HYS is social media you bonehead
633
09/12/2020 13:23:41 0 0
bbc
Have Your Say is a form of social media - so you have engaged even though you claim you don't........
18
09/12/2020 10:41:57 0 5
bbc
Plus, to my knowledge, that is the only pathogen we have eliminated... apart from secure stores of it in govt research facilities...
30
09/12/2020 10:45:24 7 1
bbc
In most parts of the world it's true for Polio. HIV is now treatable such that being HIV positive no longer impacts life expectancy or quality of life
39
09/12/2020 10:49:16 0 7
bbc
The point i was making was whilst we can beat (a small element of) nature, the real question is should we? We, as social creatures spread the disease by our actions. A vaccine will not overcome the method of transmission. The virus will mutate and then we will become engaged in yet another viral arms race
25
09/12/2020 10:43:35 33 13
bbc
but this isn't Black Death and the vaccine is licensed, not experimental
31
09/12/2020 10:46:27 0 11
bbc
Yes, the bubonic plague (currently licensed as botox for cosmetic treatments) was spread by a third party vector.. covid needs no such vector, purely human contact
89
09/12/2020 11:00:20 15 2
bbc
Botox is not from the plague bacteria.

Bubosis is caused by Yersinia pestis.

Botox is from clostridium botulinum.
15
09/12/2020 10:39:07 52 13
bbc
Three former US Presidents have decided they’ll take the vaccine publicly; perhaps if some of our well-known politicians do the same this will help increase our vaccine uptake levels.
32
09/12/2020 10:46:38 44 31
bbc
So the vaccine they get publicly could be anything. It could be a Flu jab.
They need to stop treating people like kids.
328
09/12/2020 11:59:47 6 2
bbc
Perhaps. But then some people need to stop acting like children and grow up. Way too many adults in this country that have the mental acuity and knowledge of a 14 year old, which is roughly when most of them stopped learning anything and settled in to their comfortable ignorance.
492
09/12/2020 12:34:42 2 1
bbc
How did I know someone would say that. I also know that when everything works out OK, the same conspiracy theorists will say that it was just a trial run!
545
09/12/2020 12:47:09 0 1
bbc
Even you?
33
09/12/2020 10:46:53 6 6
bbc
Maybe the BBC should be reporting the last news about the vaccine

https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/breaking-people-who-suffer-significant-23139049
302
09/12/2020 11:53:07 5 1
bbc
They have. Allergic reactions to anything is normal, be it food, drugs, vaccinations, or bee stings
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Rob
09/12/2020 12:29:30 1 2
bbc
It would be of interest to know the correlation rate of people who experience severe allergies, to people who are vulnerable.

There is little point vaccinating those who don't experience any covid symptoms (80%), and those who would have mild symptoms (15%). It would be simpler and far cheaper to quarantine vulnerable and let it run its course. Had we done that in march, it would all be over.
34
09/12/2020 10:47:24 7 11
bbc
BMJ recent article 10 million people in Wuhan tested for C19 300 found to be asymptomatic none of whom were infectious So if you ain't coughing you ain't going to spread it So we are in Lockdown and distancing for what exactly ?
59
09/12/2020 10:53:10 3 4
bbc
Having done a search of the literature, there seems to be very little evidence of asymptomatic transmission anywhere.

There are bound to be some instances but there’s little to be concerned about compared to symptomatic transmission.
249
09/12/2020 11:40:51 2 1
bbc
Because it reduces the number of infections? That's what the actual data shows, not the theory.

If I had a penny for every person who came into the pharmacy for cough medicine in the last few months...
35
09/12/2020 10:47:49 7 11
bbc
Oh look two serious adverse reactions on day one and new advice has had to be issued already.

"The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has given precautionary advice to NHS trusts that anyone who has a history of "significant" allergic reactions to medicines, food or vaccines should not receive the vaccine."

And it hasn't yet been tested for it's impact on fertility!
43
09/12/2020 10:49:39 4 2
bbc
reassuring to know our independent regulator is monitoring and reacting to this, isn't it?
55
09/12/2020 10:52:36 2 1
bbc
What makes you think it would have an impact on fertility?

Also, do you ask that question when you're in a restaurant and considering trying a new dish?

"Has your cod mornay been tested for its impact on fertility?"

No. Because there's no good reason to suspect that it will have a negative impact in that regard.
15
09/12/2020 10:39:07 52 13
bbc
Three former US Presidents have decided they’ll take the vaccine publicly; perhaps if some of our well-known politicians do the same this will help increase our vaccine uptake levels.
36
pTc
09/12/2020 10:48:06 14 8
bbc
Are people really influenced by other people who do stuff. That is a really poor way to lead your life. Do your own independent research, look at the actual stats, read the studies and make up your own mind.
76
09/12/2020 10:56:57 7 1
bbc
Unfortunately they are. The whole world is an enormous “keeping up with the Jones’s” and , as is acronymomised (if that is indeed a word) as FOMO. The fear of missing out. So yes, hardly anyone is capable of making their own decision or finding info out for themselves anymore.
131
09/12/2020 11:11:17 2 3
bbc
Have you heard of Amazon reviews?
774
09/12/2020 14:33:00 1 0
bbc
Good idea, but we still have an antivax problem because they're doing that, only with marginal science or outright bonkers sources, of which there are plenty sadly.

Some will need thier hands holding on this and an example from the country's leaders is still needed
24
09/12/2020 10:43:33 7 12
bbc
CEO of Astra Zeneca says everyone should have the vaccine Well he would say that wouldn't he
37
09/12/2020 10:48:40 9 2
bbc
Talking rubbish, Astra Zeneca are doing this for non profit so he is just supporting the scientific argument.
38
09/12/2020 10:49:06 14 8
bbc
It’s interesting how a death post vaccination could well be of something else, yet a death post 28 days of a covid +ve test is covid and nothing else.
30
09/12/2020 10:45:24 7 1
bbc
In most parts of the world it's true for Polio. HIV is now treatable such that being HIV positive no longer impacts life expectancy or quality of life
39
09/12/2020 10:49:16 0 7
bbc
The point i was making was whilst we can beat (a small element of) nature, the real question is should we? We, as social creatures spread the disease by our actions. A vaccine will not overcome the method of transmission. The virus will mutate and then we will become engaged in yet another viral arms race
57
09/12/2020 10:52:54 4 2
bbc
if we don't then millions of people die - why would anyone prefer that?
113
09/12/2020 11:05:28 2 1
bbc
If the virus cannot find (non-immune) hosts to replicate in, how can it spread, and if it can't spread, how can it mutate?
40
09/12/2020 10:49:17 6 11
bbc
In my town of roughly just over 150,000 population there have been 180 deaths attributed to Covid in 10 months. Why the heck would most of us want a vaccine?! Especially now there are reports of the NHS saying don't have the vaccine if you are allergic to medicines etc. Maybe find all this out before rolling it out? Now two otherwise healthy young nhs staff will be concerned about lasting effects
70
09/12/2020 10:55:52 7 1
bbc
they'd also say don't eat peanuts if you have a severe allergy
16
09/12/2020 10:40:53 15 8
bbc
because the vaccine makes your immune system 70 - 95% more effective that it would be otherwise
41
pTc
09/12/2020 10:49:23 1 3
bbc
99.7% affective, is not more significant than 99% effective.
42
09/12/2020 10:49:24 8 9
bbc
Rushed testing and government known for its lies

Add sceptical social media posts and a good dose off worry and you have the UK today
35
09/12/2020 10:47:49 7 11
bbc
Oh look two serious adverse reactions on day one and new advice has had to be issued already.

"The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has given precautionary advice to NHS trusts that anyone who has a history of "significant" allergic reactions to medicines, food or vaccines should not receive the vaccine."

And it hasn't yet been tested for it's impact on fertility!
43
09/12/2020 10:49:39 4 2
bbc
reassuring to know our independent regulator is monitoring and reacting to this, isn't it?
44
09/12/2020 10:44:57 7 12
bbc
"One in 1,000 people in the UK have already died after being infected with coronavirus during the pandemic"

LET US take a moment to think of these victims, they are MORE THAN JUST A STATISTIC.

And PLEASE show compassion and DO NOT mark me down. Marking me down will offend the bereaved.
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09/12/2020 10:55:52 7 10
bbc
"died after being infected with coronavirus "

Those people also dies after breathing air. They died after drinking water. They died after moving.

Now tell us how many of them actually died BECAUSE OF coronavirus.
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37p
09/12/2020 11:16:26 1 3
bbc
How about compassion for the other 540,000 who have died of other causes?
11
09/12/2020 10:38:40 9 21
bbc
Why do i need a vaccine that is 70-95% effective when my immune system is 99% effective? I'm just really curious not trying to be difficult or argumentitive. I'm under 40 and healthy.
45
09/12/2020 10:45:01 8 3
bbc
Because it will prevent you carrying it and spreading it to the more vulnerable. Your immune system will fight it but not stop you carrying it if you are infected.
866
09/12/2020 15:58:52 0 0
bbc
The vaccine does NOT prevent getting infected and spreading Covid. It just makes it very unlikely you'll develop symptoms.
46
09/12/2020 10:49:55 56 13
bbc
Not sure why people are getting worked up by messenger mRNA vaccines. Messenger RNA is simple the code used by the cells in our body to make proteins and enzymes essential for life. Our cells are full of different mRNAs This vaccine is mRNA for the virus spike protein- our immune system recognises its alien and produces an immune response to kill it. Standard up to date immunology
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09/12/2020 11:01:46 24 36
bbc
Except mRNA vaccines have not worked for anything they've been developed for thus far. Yes there’s a first time for everything but let’s not lose sight of this fact.
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09/12/2020 11:34:12 8 1
bbc
Precisely.The technology of mRNA has I believe been previously used to try to develop vaccines to treat some forms of cancer.In addition the mRNA vaccines cannot in any way affect your DNA and your genetic make up.None of the vaccines on offer are live and the mRNA approach might offer much greater efficacy than the traditional methods.
932
10/12/2020 10:10:38 0 0
bbc
Do you not feel that such concerns might, in some way, be fuelled by the MHRA stating that the vaccines impact on fertility is unknown ?
29
09/12/2020 10:45:05 60 19
bbc
I dont engage with any form of social media, I make my own mind up, using collation, analysis and use of evidence.
47
09/12/2020 10:50:33 37 2
bbc
except HYS.
63
09/12/2020 10:53:54 1 6
bbc
In the aim of attempting to seek intelligent discourse on appropriate topics
441
09/12/2020 12:23:17 3 1
bbc
Ouch!!
29
09/12/2020 10:45:05 60 19
bbc
I dont engage with any form of social media, I make my own mind up, using collation, analysis and use of evidence.
48
09/12/2020 10:51:19 32 12
bbc
Excellent decision and wish more were the same, so I assume you understand it’s not bill gates spying on 90 year olds but a fantastic achievement
49
09/12/2020 10:51:23 3 3
bbc
Stop over reacting for gods sake..
20
09/12/2020 10:42:04 10 8
bbc
Any reports on the two health care workers who suffered adverse effects from the Vaccine.Now not advised for anyone who has had significant reaction to foods or medicine
50
09/12/2020 10:51:33 2 2
bbc
Yes, I saw that on the news this morning. I'm wondering if the vaccine is safe for those of us who are suffering from Coeliacs Disease.
171
09/12/2020 11:20:27 3 1
bbc
Coeliacs Disease doesn't result in anaphylactic reactions, i.e. put you in hospital, after you eat gluten etc. So you should be fine.

Rule of thumb: if you've been in hospital after an allergy reaction, you will likely be told not to have the vaccine.

This is out of precaution. Vaccination centres always have adrenaline to hand in case anyone does have anaphylaxis, though.
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09/12/2020 10:38:40 9 21
bbc
Why do i need a vaccine that is 70-95% effective when my immune system is 99% effective? I'm just really curious not trying to be difficult or argumentitive. I'm under 40 and healthy.
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09/12/2020 10:51:42 7 5
bbc
Because, unless you've missed the last 10 months, this virus spreads like wildfire. You may be under 40 and healthy and may shrug off the virus or not even know you have it, but you can transmit it to multiple others very easily and many older people are dying horrible deaths as a result of catching it. So the more people out there with immunity to the virus, the less it spreads. Etc .(slaps face)
83
09/12/2020 10:58:23 3 2
bbc
OK, so why not vaccinate the Over 65's and vulnerable then like the Flu Jab?
52
09/12/2020 10:46:20 7 23
bbc
Anyone refusing this vaccine should be publicly pilloried.
67
09/12/2020 10:55:15 10 9
bbc
Is hitler your hero ???
92
09/12/2020 11:00:54 2 2
bbc
Anyone saying that someone should be coerced into allowing their body to be used in this experiment should be publicly flogged.
362
09/12/2020 12:07:48 0 1
bbc
You are aware that we live in the UK and not North Korea?
53
pTc
09/12/2020 10:51:44 11 10
bbc
I have independently looked at the data sheets, the trials, my own health and decided the Vaccine benefits do not outweigh the costs for me at this time. I urge people to do their own cost/ benefit analysis based on their own circumstances. Not just look at who gets the jab on TV or in the news papers.
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09/12/2020 10:56:07 13 12
bbc
Sorry I consider that “ it’s all about me” selfish attitude. Vaccination programmes are about getting herd immunity and improving immunity to the extent there are no new hosts for the virus and it dies out. It protects everyone. It’s not about you
265
09/12/2020 11:45:38 3 1
bbc
Why would you urge people to do their own research when most people do not know how to review scientific literature?

Or is this post really about feeling better about your own decision?
54
09/12/2020 10:52:18 12 11
bbc
The vaccine is our only hope to beat the Virus and I am certain that 99% of the population realise that, so stop making silly excuses about not having it and its safety. We are lucky to have the chance to be offered the vaccine.
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09/12/2020 10:59:50 6 7
bbc
More than 99% of the population won’t die of covid. So you have to appreciate at least why some people may be questioning the restrictions and vaccine necessity. Whether to have the vaccine or not is an individual choice and so it should be. If you take it, then fine, you’re protected so it doesn’t matter of someone else takes it or not.
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09/12/2020 10:47:49 7 11
bbc
Oh look two serious adverse reactions on day one and new advice has had to be issued already.

"The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has given precautionary advice to NHS trusts that anyone who has a history of "significant" allergic reactions to medicines, food or vaccines should not receive the vaccine."

And it hasn't yet been tested for it's impact on fertility!
55
09/12/2020 10:52:36 2 1
bbc
What makes you think it would have an impact on fertility?

Also, do you ask that question when you're in a restaurant and considering trying a new dish?

"Has your cod mornay been tested for its impact on fertility?"

No. Because there's no good reason to suspect that it will have a negative impact in that regard.
56
09/12/2020 10:52:46 6 1
bbc
Having been very lucky and only had very mild symptoms when I had the Covid does this mean I don't need the vaccine or, if I do, does mean the vaccine is only effective for a short period of time because the antibodies are only produced for a specific time period?
65
09/12/2020 10:54:03 17 9
bbc
boosting your immunity with a vaccine can only help you
146
09/12/2020 11:15:06 1 2
bbc
Why are you asking the question on here????? No-one on here knows the answer. If you've any doubts, speak to your GP.
39
09/12/2020 10:49:16 0 7
bbc
The point i was making was whilst we can beat (a small element of) nature, the real question is should we? We, as social creatures spread the disease by our actions. A vaccine will not overcome the method of transmission. The virus will mutate and then we will become engaged in yet another viral arms race
57
09/12/2020 10:52:54 4 2
bbc
if we don't then millions of people die - why would anyone prefer that?
74
09/12/2020 10:56:47 0 4
bbc
Can the vaccine guarantee that millions will not die? Can the vaccine be , at this moment in time, be guaranteed not to cause long term effects? No.. those claims cannot be made. Millions of deaths would be abhorrent, but so is state collusion in a rushed vaccine, which in my opinion has not received sufficient scrutiny as to its provenance
58
09/12/2020 10:53:01 90 8
bbc
Vaccines are fine but there is clearly some other environmental factors affecting people nowadays.
It would explain the success of Mrs Brown's Boys.
325
09/12/2020 11:59:21 18 2
bbc
You actually made me laugh out loud, thankyou :-)
543
09/12/2020 12:45:32 6 2
bbc
Well said, this is the real scandal about the BBC, what does the creator of this "comedy" have on the bosses that he gets away with this rubbish?
779
09/12/2020 14:36:32 3 0
bbc
Lol!

I'm with you on that. Mrs B makes my skin crawl.
946
10/12/2020 11:46:19 0 0
bbc
w
948
10/12/2020 11:48:51 0 0
bbc
And the success of our incompetent government in over-hypjng a vaccine that was designed to alleviate some milder symptoms of covid only ?
34
09/12/2020 10:47:24 7 11
bbc
BMJ recent article 10 million people in Wuhan tested for C19 300 found to be asymptomatic none of whom were infectious So if you ain't coughing you ain't going to spread it So we are in Lockdown and distancing for what exactly ?
59
09/12/2020 10:53:10 3 4
bbc
Having done a search of the literature, there seems to be very little evidence of asymptomatic transmission anywhere.

There are bound to be some instances but there’s little to be concerned about compared to symptomatic transmission.
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09/12/2020 10:53:17 34 16
bbc
All the usual suspects casting doubt due to a standard update. If you suffer from severe allergic reactions to medicine, then medicine may cause a reaction. It’s not an excuse for lie spreading or casting doubt.

Roll your sleeve up or stay in enforced lockdown. The world is moving on
15
09/12/2020 10:39:07 52 13
bbc
Three former US Presidents have decided they’ll take the vaccine publicly; perhaps if some of our well-known politicians do the same this will help increase our vaccine uptake levels.
61
09/12/2020 10:46:47 19 2
bbc
But they can't can they, unless they are older than 80 and wait their turn on the list because if they don't the entire population will jump on the fact they are queue jumping. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The public are VERY fickle!
62
09/12/2020 10:53:46 9 14
bbc
First day of vaccination and 2 nhs staff take a adverse reaction, as I sad before we are not first in the cue U.K. is just a big test,
77
09/12/2020 10:57:17 5 1
bbc
Snooker?
47
09/12/2020 10:50:33 37 2
bbc
except HYS.
63
09/12/2020 10:53:54 1 6
bbc
In the aim of attempting to seek intelligent discourse on appropriate topics
235
09/12/2020 11:37:07 3 1
bbc
Ha ha
20
09/12/2020 10:42:04 10 8
bbc
Any reports on the two health care workers who suffered adverse effects from the Vaccine.Now not advised for anyone who has had significant reaction to foods or medicine
64
09/12/2020 10:54:00 1 4
bbc
How can anyone mark you down? Those people did have that reaction and that is the advice from regulators. What is there to mark down?
495
09/12/2020 12:35:15 2 1
bbc
It's marked down because the reputable reports about the allergic reaction also included the information that those involved were perfectly fine after a very short time. Omitting that fact just spreads disinformation.
56
09/12/2020 10:52:46 6 1
bbc
Having been very lucky and only had very mild symptoms when I had the Covid does this mean I don't need the vaccine or, if I do, does mean the vaccine is only effective for a short period of time because the antibodies are only produced for a specific time period?
65
09/12/2020 10:54:03 17 9
bbc
boosting your immunity with a vaccine can only help you
87
09/12/2020 11:00:04 4 9
bbc
If you have had the virus, you don;t need a vaccine to cause the T-cell immunity which is what you'll get in a lower form from the vaccine. 2 people seriously ill on day 1 from adverse reactions. You advocate that we should all ignore that? You first!
29
09/12/2020 10:45:05 60 19
bbc
I dont engage with any form of social media, I make my own mind up, using collation, analysis and use of evidence.
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CJR
09/12/2020 10:54:36 16 1
bbc
What’s this platform then? It’s social and the BBC are media.
79
09/12/2020 10:57:45 9 6
bbc
Most of the persons who hold a counter view tend not to be too social
52
09/12/2020 10:46:20 7 23
bbc
Anyone refusing this vaccine should be publicly pilloried.
67
09/12/2020 10:55:15 10 9
bbc
Is hitler your hero ???
68
09/12/2020 10:55:19 13 12
bbc
Oh dear. In another article we hear about anyone with a allergic reaction not to have the vaccine for now.
Well??? Is it safe or isn't it.
111
09/12/2020 11:05:13 21 6
bbc
are peanuts safe for people with allergies?
226
09/12/2020 11:35:16 1 1
bbc
It is safe unless you have an allergic reaction, by your own logic nuts are deadly, gluten is deadly, Going outside on anyday from spring to autumn is deadly.
227
09/12/2020 11:35:28 3 1
bbc
It's safe. It's the same severe allergic reaction people have to peanuts, bee stings, the flu jab, penicillin.

The new advice is a precautionary measure for people who have had severe allergic reactions in the past and been hospitalised by them, i.e. it was not a little rash.

The two NHS workers who had an allergic reaction almost definitely would have had a history of severe allergic reactions.
238
09/12/2020 11:38:23 2 3
bbc
It’s been fully tested in 40,000 real people by independent professionals who really do know what they’re doing and have spent their careers doing it. You should listen to them rather than the uninformed and paranoid ravers on social media who have no idea what a regulatory submission or an NDA is and have no idea how these vaccines work.
15
09/12/2020 10:39:07 52 13
bbc
Three former US Presidents have decided they’ll take the vaccine publicly; perhaps if some of our well-known politicians do the same this will help increase our vaccine uptake levels.
69
09/12/2020 10:55:47 5 7
bbc
Our well-known politicians have already had the illness. What is the point of the vaccine for them?
181
09/12/2020 11:23:29 9 1
bbc
The point is that it will demonstrate to those who believe that the vaccine is itself poisonous, or contains mind-control devices, that the well-known politicians are prepared to take it themselves. The problem, though, as already evidenced in this HYS, is that the conspiracy theorists will argue that the vaccine used on the politicians was a different one.
40
09/12/2020 10:49:17 6 11
bbc
In my town of roughly just over 150,000 population there have been 180 deaths attributed to Covid in 10 months. Why the heck would most of us want a vaccine?! Especially now there are reports of the NHS saying don't have the vaccine if you are allergic to medicines etc. Maybe find all this out before rolling it out? Now two otherwise healthy young nhs staff will be concerned about lasting effects
70
09/12/2020 10:55:52 7 1
bbc
they'd also say don't eat peanuts if you have a severe allergy
44
09/12/2020 10:44:57 7 12
bbc
"One in 1,000 people in the UK have already died after being infected with coronavirus during the pandemic"

LET US take a moment to think of these victims, they are MORE THAN JUST A STATISTIC.

And PLEASE show compassion and DO NOT mark me down. Marking me down will offend the bereaved.
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09/12/2020 10:55:52 7 10
bbc
"died after being infected with coronavirus "

Those people also dies after breathing air. They died after drinking water. They died after moving.

Now tell us how many of them actually died BECAUSE OF coronavirus.
121
09/12/2020 11:08:15 3 2
bbc
Just how deep have you buried your head in the sand for the last 10 months or so? Unbelievable ignorance and callousness.
127
09/12/2020 10:57:45 2 1
bbc
Rather than play it down, why don't you watch some of this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52676411
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pTc
09/12/2020 10:51:44 11 10
bbc
I have independently looked at the data sheets, the trials, my own health and decided the Vaccine benefits do not outweigh the costs for me at this time. I urge people to do their own cost/ benefit analysis based on their own circumstances. Not just look at who gets the jab on TV or in the news papers.
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09/12/2020 10:56:07 13 12
bbc
Sorry I consider that “ it’s all about me” selfish attitude. Vaccination programmes are about getting herd immunity and improving immunity to the extent there are no new hosts for the virus and it dies out. It protects everyone. It’s not about you
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pTc
09/12/2020 11:01:17 5 9
bbc
The vaccine is only 95% effective, even if everybody had it - which they can't- 5% of the population would still be spreading it around. My immune system is likely >99% effective and will develop antibodies naturally.
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37p
09/12/2020 11:14:17 1 2
bbc
What percentage need vaccination to achieve herd immunity?

If I've already tested positive with no ill effects does this mean I need vaccination?

If I'm happy to take the risk of not vaccinating how do I affect those that are already immune?
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CT
09/12/2020 12:31:16 0 3
bbc
If the world gave up eating meat, we would all be in a better place.

Sadly, not everyone would agree with me. Does that make them selfish?
11
09/12/2020 10:38:40 9 21
bbc
Why do i need a vaccine that is 70-95% effective when my immune system is 99% effective? I'm just really curious not trying to be difficult or argumentitive. I'm under 40 and healthy.
73
09/12/2020 10:56:15 2 2
bbc
It's because the vaccine triggers your immune response, more safely than the live virus and by doing so makes you immune to the live virus.
But a vaccine doesn't work every time, so is described as being less than 100% effective. In your figures, 70+%
57
09/12/2020 10:52:54 4 2
bbc
if we don't then millions of people die - why would anyone prefer that?
74
09/12/2020 10:56:47 0 4
bbc
Can the vaccine guarantee that millions will not die? Can the vaccine be , at this moment in time, be guaranteed not to cause long term effects? No.. those claims cannot be made. Millions of deaths would be abhorrent, but so is state collusion in a rushed vaccine, which in my opinion has not received sufficient scrutiny as to its provenance
93
09/12/2020 11:01:11 4 1
bbc
every year a certain number of people are injured by their trousers so you can't guarantee trousers are safe but we still think the benefit or wearing them out-weighs the risks. in the opinion or our independent regulator the risk of not vaccinating far out-weighs the risk of vaccinating
75
09/12/2020 10:56:50 4 10
bbc
Yet another scaremonger news item from the BBC, 1 in 1000 my $%^", in Cornwall, Devon and Somerset since the start of March 591 deaths related to COVID, bit lower than 1 in 1000.
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pTc
09/12/2020 10:48:06 14 8
bbc
Are people really influenced by other people who do stuff. That is a really poor way to lead your life. Do your own independent research, look at the actual stats, read the studies and make up your own mind.
76
09/12/2020 10:56:57 7 1
bbc
Unfortunately they are. The whole world is an enormous “keeping up with the Jones’s” and , as is acronymomised (if that is indeed a word) as FOMO. The fear of missing out. So yes, hardly anyone is capable of making their own decision or finding info out for themselves anymore.
62
09/12/2020 10:53:46 9 14
bbc
First day of vaccination and 2 nhs staff take a adverse reaction, as I sad before we are not first in the cue U.K. is just a big test,
77
09/12/2020 10:57:17 5 1
bbc
Snooker?
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09/12/2020 10:42:57 170 52
bbc
What folk need to know...scientists are better at science than some bloke on Facebook.

Quit crying, stick your pseudo science, pop your mask on and roll your sleeve up when it’s time.

We shouldn’t need this explaining
78
09/12/2020 10:57:33 21 46
bbc
Slight issue, my wife is a doctor, my daughter in law a doctor, my son a PhD scientist and none of them are having a vaccine that has not been tested for many things (fertility and interaction with other medicines being just two).

Now this morning we learn of two serious adverse reactions on day one.
176
09/12/2020 11:22:13 27 10
bbc
I hope none of them are dealing with patients then - if they do they deserve to be struck off the medical register.
229
09/12/2020 11:35:44 2 14
bbc
I hear this a lot from medical people, very well educated medical people. So I listen to them. Please do have the vaccine, mixed or not. Pharma companies won't have to pay for the trials and I will wait and see if it works. Russian/BBC/Tory/Labour/SNP trolls waiting for their vaccine/Brexit HYS fun, my freedom of choice. And if it works without killing anyone I will take it. You cannot stop that.
261
09/12/2020 11:43:50 2 16
bbc
You will be dissed as scaremonger Mr Cat, but you have sense on your side.
286
09/12/2020 11:50:43 21 5
bbc
If they don't want it, they don't have to have it. Simple. I suggest they should sign a waver so that if they get COVID the NHS don't have to treat them, that would concentrate the mind of the other doubters.
300
09/12/2020 11:52:22 13 6
bbc
Are you family doctors the way doctor doolittle is a doctor? There is no effect on fertility. What nonsense are you spoutinng. And there is no interactions with other medicines. The liquid in vaccines is mostly water, with some other trace ingredients that do not cause fertility issues. At worst you may get a rash from the egg or yeast. mRNA itself has a lifespan of 1-3 minutes!!
342
09/12/2020 12:03:08 8 15
bbc
Indeed, the risk of contracting and suffering from this virus is minuscule. I’ll pass thank you. I’ve worked worldwide for many years so I’m no stranger to vaccinations, I see this one as hysterically overhyped and ultimately unnecessary for the majority.
388
09/12/2020 12:12:02 14 3
bbc
You are seriously lying sir, no evidence to back up any of your claims in any mefical journal

You sir are part of the problem

To the rest ignore this person, they are spreading misinformation

Oh and by the way, I am a doctor and was closely involved with the Oxford trial. Not some chap down the pub who heard from his mate there is a problem
488
09/12/2020 12:34:07 8 2
bbc
"Slight issue, my wife is a doctor, my daughter in law a doctor, my son a PhD scientist"

That is fine - are any of them experts in vaccine development? Doctors are generally not scientists and can perform very poor/fradulent research: https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452

I work in drug development and have been inspected by the FDA, MHRA and others. The MHRA are experts and I trust them.
803
09/12/2020 14:50:23 0 0
bbc
Yeah sure they are Doctors I smell poo poo
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CJR
09/12/2020 10:54:36 16 1
bbc
What’s this platform then? It’s social and the BBC are media.
79
09/12/2020 10:57:45 9 6
bbc
Most of the persons who hold a counter view tend not to be too social
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37p
09/12/2020 11:18:47 5 1
bbc
Based on what evidence?
672
09/12/2020 13:40:33 0 1
bbc
Maybe we could identify these people with psychological screening and have them suitably medicated.
20
09/12/2020 10:42:04 10 8
bbc
Any reports on the two health care workers who suffered adverse effects from the Vaccine.Now not advised for anyone who has had significant reaction to foods or medicine
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09/12/2020 10:57:50 4 6
bbc
But that doesn't make any sense because the regulator said after it approved the vaccine that there was no evidence that the vaccine was a problem for people with allergies.

This vaccine has not been rushed, it has been fully tested, fully reviewed and no shortcuts taken.
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09/12/2020 10:57:52 2 1
bbc
This is much better but 1 in 1000 is still to abstract. Make it real and visual.

We have to realise the world is too complex for us all to have the knowledge to be able to analyse everything ourselves. We have to trust those who have dedicated their lives to developing specific knowledge & in return they should honour the voices of people whose experience falls outside the statistical mainstream
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QED
09/12/2020 13:07:07 0 1
bbc
Falls outside the statistical mainstream. Did you mean an outlier, or just someone with some story about how they or their aunt sally had a jab and a bit later something horrid happened?
82
09/12/2020 10:58:15 7 12
bbc
Day 1 - They have found 2 people who already had serious adverse reactions. Safety? Safety would have been following the proper testing protocols put in place many years ago to stop exactly what has happened. How many will have delayed adverse reactions?

Apparently though, the testing wasn't necessary or Vallance, Hancock etc couldn't have pocketed millions.
104
09/12/2020 11:02:53 1 4
bbc
Spot on I'm always skeptical about what people say especially when their motivation is greed !!!
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mac
09/12/2020 11:05:13 3 2
bbc
Allergic reactions happen with all medicines. Just look at the leaflet in a box of ibuprofen. They tested it on 20,000 people and found no serious side effects. How are they supposed to get more safety data without giving it people
560
09/12/2020 12:53:00 2 2
bbc
If you've ever had a flu vaccination one of the questions is 'do you have any allergies' (especially for eggs) and is also why they ask you to hang around the surgery or pharmacy for a few minutes afterwards in case you get a reaction.

The covid jab is unlikely to be different and those two people should have really raised this before they were given it, as they've had the same reaction before.
51
09/12/2020 10:51:42 7 5
bbc
Because, unless you've missed the last 10 months, this virus spreads like wildfire. You may be under 40 and healthy and may shrug off the virus or not even know you have it, but you can transmit it to multiple others very easily and many older people are dying horrible deaths as a result of catching it. So the more people out there with immunity to the virus, the less it spreads. Etc .(slaps face)
83
09/12/2020 10:58:23 3 2
bbc
OK, so why not vaccinate the Over 65's and vulnerable then like the Flu Jab?
117
09/12/2020 11:07:34 2 2
bbc
I agree. Looking which group has been impacted most by this, that should be all that’s needed.
84
09/12/2020 10:59:30 3 5
bbc
I believe the vaccine is safe, but not because the BBC says so.
85
RM
09/12/2020 10:59:47 6 7
bbc
Covid vaccine: What you need to know about vaccine safety
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Without testing the vaccine in the UK all promises about safety are unreliable or worse.
100
09/12/2020 11:02:21 2 4
bbc
It has been tested.
54
09/12/2020 10:52:18 12 11
bbc
The vaccine is our only hope to beat the Virus and I am certain that 99% of the population realise that, so stop making silly excuses about not having it and its safety. We are lucky to have the chance to be offered the vaccine.
86
09/12/2020 10:59:50 6 7
bbc
More than 99% of the population won’t die of covid. So you have to appreciate at least why some people may be questioning the restrictions and vaccine necessity. Whether to have the vaccine or not is an individual choice and so it should be. If you take it, then fine, you’re protected so it doesn’t matter of someone else takes it or not.
65
09/12/2020 10:54:03 17 9
bbc
boosting your immunity with a vaccine can only help you
87
09/12/2020 11:00:04 4 9
bbc
If you have had the virus, you don;t need a vaccine to cause the T-cell immunity which is what you'll get in a lower form from the vaccine. 2 people seriously ill on day 1 from adverse reactions. You advocate that we should all ignore that? You first!
450
09/12/2020 12:25:10 1 3
bbc
When your face down on a bed, on a ventilator, in a medically induced coma, then we will smile and point out you should have had the vaccine.

People have allergic reactions to tetnus vaccine, would you rather have that? I have seen severe reactions to polio vaccine, would you like to catch polio too?

Please rid us of your crass stupidity
88
09/12/2020 11:00:09 2 5
bbc
Are anti vaxxers also anti antibiotics :)
99
09/12/2020 11:02:09 5 2
bbc
Nope they are only anti vax when it suits them.
102
09/12/2020 11:02:29 3 2
bbc
anti vaxxers would be anti all vax, most people anti this one are actually anti the side effects. We have had 2 seriously ill people on day 1 through adverse reactions to the vaccine. Think I'll wait and see what happens to you over the next few years before I trust them on this one.
149
09/12/2020 11:16:11 0 1
bbc
No
31
09/12/2020 10:46:27 0 11
bbc
Yes, the bubonic plague (currently licensed as botox for cosmetic treatments) was spread by a third party vector.. covid needs no such vector, purely human contact
89
09/12/2020 11:00:20 15 2
bbc
Botox is not from the plague bacteria.

Bubosis is caused by Yersinia pestis.

Botox is from clostridium botulinum.
90
09/12/2020 11:00:27 10 12
bbc
I won't be having the vaccine so I know that is 100% safe I'm fit and healthy have previously had covid and feel absolutely tip top why would I inject something into my body that lets be honest nobody really knows the long term consequences of
95
09/12/2020 11:01:36 10 5
bbc
Actually, we do. Maybe read the studies and documents instead of posting on news comments.
112
09/12/2020 11:05:27 1 3
bbc
If you have had Covid you may already have some immunity but you won’t know for sure. Regarding longevity of immunity, the scientists are still working that out but early results of post infection data are not that great- even in areas of high infection only about 10% of plasma samples are showing antibodies.
91
09/12/2020 11:00:53 0 3
bbc
Hancock yesterday, I want to apologise for being selfish. Everyone has been working hard to keep me safe: wearing masks, missing family, not going to the pub. The least I can do is have the jab when offered. It is us older ones who will keep pubs open, and airlines running in April when covid vac ids come in. Thanks to the generous younger ones who won’t be allowed to fly or shop without one.
52
09/12/2020 10:46:20 7 23
bbc
Anyone refusing this vaccine should be publicly pilloried.
92
09/12/2020 11:00:54 2 2
bbc
Anyone saying that someone should be coerced into allowing their body to be used in this experiment should be publicly flogged.
74
09/12/2020 10:56:47 0 4
bbc
Can the vaccine guarantee that millions will not die? Can the vaccine be , at this moment in time, be guaranteed not to cause long term effects? No.. those claims cannot be made. Millions of deaths would be abhorrent, but so is state collusion in a rushed vaccine, which in my opinion has not received sufficient scrutiny as to its provenance
93
09/12/2020 11:01:11 4 1
bbc
every year a certain number of people are injured by their trousers so you can't guarantee trousers are safe but we still think the benefit or wearing them out-weighs the risks. in the opinion or our independent regulator the risk of not vaccinating far out-weighs the risk of vaccinating
72
09/12/2020 10:56:07 13 12
bbc
Sorry I consider that “ it’s all about me” selfish attitude. Vaccination programmes are about getting herd immunity and improving immunity to the extent there are no new hosts for the virus and it dies out. It protects everyone. It’s not about you
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pTc
09/12/2020 11:01:17 5 9
bbc
The vaccine is only 95% effective, even if everybody had it - which they can't- 5% of the population would still be spreading it around. My immune system is likely >99% effective and will develop antibodies naturally.
135
09/12/2020 11:12:43 3 1
bbc
Flu pandemics are now being stopped by routine annual vaccinations and they are only 50-70% effective, so that disproves your first point. Regarding natural antibodies- if you get it and recover, you are likely to have short term protection but it’s not clear how long that immunity lasts - people are working on that as we speak
90
09/12/2020 11:00:27 10 12
bbc
I won't be having the vaccine so I know that is 100% safe I'm fit and healthy have previously had covid and feel absolutely tip top why would I inject something into my body that lets be honest nobody really knows the long term consequences of
95
09/12/2020 11:01:36 10 5
bbc
Actually, we do. Maybe read the studies and documents instead of posting on news comments.
429
09/12/2020 12:22:11 1 1
bbc
The problem is that Pfizer will not publish their results!
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Rob
09/12/2020 12:58:54 1 0
bbc
We know the long term side-effects (those that develop after a year or so) of a vaccine that has existed for less than a year? Do you have access to a time machine or something?
879
09/12/2020 16:57:45 0 0
bbc
How exactly can we know whether there will be any negative long term consequences from this vaccine? It hasn't been around for long enough for that.
46
09/12/2020 10:49:55 56 13
bbc
Not sure why people are getting worked up by messenger mRNA vaccines. Messenger RNA is simple the code used by the cells in our body to make proteins and enzymes essential for life. Our cells are full of different mRNAs This vaccine is mRNA for the virus spike protein- our immune system recognises its alien and produces an immune response to kill it. Standard up to date immunology
96
09/12/2020 11:01:46 24 36
bbc
Except mRNA vaccines have not worked for anything they've been developed for thus far. Yes there’s a first time for everything but let’s not lose sight of this fact.
122
09/12/2020 11:08:15 16 5
bbc
This one has worked in the clinical trials - the data has been peer reviewed and passed by the regulators
411
09/12/2020 12:17:56 7 4
bbc
Evidence or did your mate down the pub tell you
499
09/12/2020 12:36:17 3 1
bbc
Evidence that they havent worked?
555
09/12/2020 12:50:52 3 3
bbc
So you'll never accept anything new, just because it is new? What a sad attitude.
787
09/12/2020 14:41:48 3 0
bbc
I bet you still think the Earth is orbited by the Sun
3
09/12/2020 10:35:30 190 37
bbc
I'll be having the vaccination as soon as I'm offered it.
97
09/12/2020 11:01:48 27 8
bbc
Yep
98
09/12/2020 11:01:49 1 4
bbc
Mansplainers have migrated into vaxplaining?
107
09/12/2020 11:03:47 2 1
bbc
Sexist idiots have migrated to nothing and are continuing to be sexist idiots?
88
09/12/2020 11:00:09 2 5
bbc
Are anti vaxxers also anti antibiotics :)
99
09/12/2020 11:02:09 5 2
bbc
Nope they are only anti vax when it suits them.
85
RM
09/12/2020 10:59:47 6 7
bbc
Covid vaccine: What you need to know about vaccine safety
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Without testing the vaccine in the UK all promises about safety are unreliable or worse.
100
09/12/2020 11:02:21 2 4
bbc
It has been tested.
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RM
09/12/2020 11:07:13 2 3
bbc
It had not been tested in the UK because it was not available in the UK.
329
09/12/2020 12:00:50 1 2
bbc
Tested on 20,000 people, which is less than 0.03% of the UK population, and on the first day they discover two allergic reactions, something that didn't happen during testing. It's the long term effects that people are concerned about.