'England need to recognise prime time to attack'
07/12/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 980
England showed they can adapt under pressure in the Autumn Nations Cup final but there is room for improvement in their attack, says Matt Dawson.
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07/12/2020 12:51:10 27 8
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We still won just not in the fashion I would have liked. 2 trophies in the last 2 months can't grumble even the all blacks have an off day. Which is who I measure the England squad against. But French rugby seems to be catching up very quickly.
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Tim
07/12/2020 14:02:13 15 24
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Catching who? I hope you mean the All Blacks. They beat England in the last 6N and are surely favourites in 2021, even at Twickers. France are the NH team to beat at the moment, and SA are the SH equivalent.
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07/12/2020 14:24:48 10 6
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That's the problem - NZ would eat England for breakfast with the current game plan. To be clear, I don't consider the currect game plan to be the same as the one that beat the ABs in the semi-final, we have regressed significantly since then.
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07/12/2020 12:53:16 3 8
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With Eddie Jones on this. Is it boring? Yes. Do I like England winning? Also yes. If we were losing games it would be ok to moan but with his record, let's trust him. I'm sure if England could have scored lovely tries they would have been very happy to do so.
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Jon
07/12/2020 14:18:34 4 2
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It was the same in the early '10s with Warren Ball. Wales smashed it up the centre then ground it out on the tryline. Nothing super exciting but as a Wales fan it was great to win and you can't knock that.
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07/12/2020 12:53:25 4 3
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With Ireland and Wales seemingly weaker I agree it is England best chance of a Grand Slam with France and Scotland at home.

Also agree they’re not looking for attacking opportunities.

Malins and Robson included with Tuilagi back would create more dynamism.
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07/12/2020 13:09:01 3 1
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And Nowell.
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Tim
07/12/2020 13:59:43 2 1
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Tuilagi isn't coming back, I'm afraid. His career has taken a path reminiscent of Jonny Wilkinson after 2003 - if he's fit, play him, and enjoy it while it lasts, but you can't build your team around him because he won't be fit for long.
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07/12/2020 12:53:27 106 16
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You can say whatever you like about England but at the moment they are playing boring, predictable rugby. All that power and relentless kicking might work against lesser teams, but it falls flat against equally powerful teams and especially ones that can catch the balls we kick away. We need to mix it up a lot more. We have great runners and playmakers who are being seriously under-used. Yawn!
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07/12/2020 14:31:44 58 35
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100% - my rugby loving lads refuse to watch England - I can't blame them. Can blame EJ though for making brand England the unpalatable brand it is and refusing to pick form over caps.
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07/12/2020 21:18:21 2 0
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Totally agree but it’s rife as Wales and Ireland play exactly the same game but not quite as well. Awful viewing
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07/12/2020 21:37:28 2 1
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I have faith that this is part of a bigger picture...
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07/12/2020 23:21:14 1 2
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Agree, England have largest of all resources to compete on world stage. No excuse for failure Eddie!
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08/12/2020 07:57:17 4 1
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Totally agree. When England do not dominate the opposing pack, they seem to run out of ideas and options pretty quickly. We saw that in the World Cup and on Saturday. The warning bells should be sounding now for EJ; develop your back play or suffer against the teams with more accomplished forwards. They have the quality out wide (May, Slade, et al) .. use them!!
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08/12/2020 10:04:35 0 1
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Yes, I agree too much box kicking not enough running from Youngs. He does the same thing all the time and gives possession back to the opposition with his box kicks which are very predictable.
Whatever happened to the grubber kick? its never used with England now. A good grubber kick to make the defender bend down for the ball often brings rewards with handling errors!
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07/12/2020 12:54:53 8 7
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Maybe we should send Owen Farrell in bat on Brexit negotiations. He's shown that despite a poor performance (by his standards) he can still step up way into extra time and deal with the troublesome French!
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07/12/2020 12:54:53 8 3
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I must say I knew the French would give us a good game, by the end I actually felt for them. They played all the rugby and our back line seems incapable of running. This reminds me of 2018 when we were shocking out wide. Since our RWC backs coach left we simply do not look as dangerous. I almost wish we were beaten, sadly we want to win but we need entertaining rugby. Thats consumerism for you!
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LS6
07/12/2020 12:55:04 39 4
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I agree with you that Eng kicked the ball away before ANY thoughts otherwise. And some of the kicks appeared aimless, hoping for a mistake. Thats sad and negative.
I hate the words EJ uses. “Fans are disrespectful” because they dont like this style of winning.
TBH both sides should have won it in 80 minutes.
If it had been France what would he have said?
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07/12/2020 13:58:00 48 1
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the 50-50 cross field kick with no penalty advantage when we were camped in the French 22 was utterly criminal.
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07/12/2020 14:23:52 10 2
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Message for EJ, fans have a right to express their views and he needs to be remember that RESPECT has to be earned not to be expected irrespective of his team's level performance or indeed lack of.
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07/12/2020 18:49:17 3 1
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EJ should bear in mind that he is being disrespectful to both his players and spectators in coaching a team with such negative aspirations
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07/12/2020 12:55:09 4 5
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Fair article - Ultimately England held their nerve and got the win!
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07/12/2020 12:56:28 10 4
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This will give Eng more confidence than a 30-0 cakewalk

Owen mislaid his kicking boots, 7 pts down with 1 minute to go and they still get the result.

In sudden death they played very professionally - France didn't have a sniff
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07/12/2020 13:07:53 10 11
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England was lucky re calls from the ref in the last 10 minutes - against an inexperienced scratch French B/C team. Nothing to get excited about really.
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07/12/2020 12:57:22 51 17
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I would have preferred to watch marathon runners on a 100m oval track. The game was boring, relied on extra time and the distress win. Rugby Union is getting boring and can no longer be carried by 80,000 crowds drinking 5 pints and eating 4 pies. Too many rules, too much play in trying to get the opposition to infringe the rules rather than trying to out play them. A cure is needed.
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07/12/2020 18:07:44 5 3
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England have always been up and under specialists (Davies, Andrew et al) - it's know as the English game in France (where I live). Except it used to be kick for touch, challenge the line out..... Never stopped Twickers being full.

This coach was employed to win the World Cup which he didn't - what has he done?

The cure might have something to do with his position....
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ET
07/12/2020 21:36:40 2 0
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All the rule changes have been attempts by the SH, usually Aus, to try to compete with RL down there.
Because of Super Rugby, virtually a non contact sport, they’re holding their own.
The rules don’t translate to NH conditions. Slippery (relatively) balls cab nt be chucked around.
Because of use it or lose it, defences spread out.
There’s 0 space.
Plus referees don’t referee any offside line.
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07/12/2020 12:58:26 68 16
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Wrong ... Farrell is not creative .... please share evidence in 2020
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07/12/2020 14:41:22 49 9
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Any other player would have been dropped for his dire efforts this autumn.
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07/12/2020 17:54:02 5 0
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100% For the life of me I think Farrell is a penalty kicking ace par excellence. That said, he lacks pace which ultimately stifles any hope of England running the ball when the opportunity arises. His tackling leaves huge amounts to be desired as well. He has had a miserable tournament and we should not gloss over his lack of attacking instinct.
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07/12/2020 19:03:23 3 2
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Farrell and Biggar are similar: both regarded as undroppable by their nations, but both incapable of engendering flowing moves for the backs.
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07/12/2020 22:33:57 1 1
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Farrell has been creative over the years. Watch some of his Saracens performances against Europe’s best , albeit when quicker ball than Young’s delivers come’s his way. Historically for England as well he has done a lot more. Recently however hard to argue he has played well. Look at Ford though , he has created nothing either. Have to look at Youngs and coaches.
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07/12/2020 22:53:36 1 1
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Is Matt Dawson attempting to defend a player who should be dropped - never mind his poor captaincy ??
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07/12/2020 22:55:00 1 0
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Where was the captain to give orders to play the ball out to the (left) wing at the end of first half, where there was about a 6 man overlap???
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07/12/2020 13:01:26 6 2
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Good to grind out a win, becoming a little predictable, so opposition organize well to stifle any good ball. My disappointment is when they fail to do the basics timing of pass and quality of pass thus not scoring tries when on offer. Forwards also don't seem to dominate as they recently did. Look forward to the 6 nations. Does Eddie know his best team.
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07/12/2020 13:01:27 8 4
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When is a ref actually going to ping players for advancing from in front of the kicker? Stop telling them to hold - just ping them. That will slow down the defense setting and get to some open rugby. Then we would have seen France's superior backline running more freely - but equally would bring a change in style to England's rugby approach.
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07/12/2020 13:02:22 5 8
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The important point is that England came from behind and found a way to win against a side that fronted. It's the first time I've seen this in a long time and is hugely encouraging. A key strength of the 2003 team (against the SH teams at least) is that they always found a way to win, even when they weren't playing well or were behind. In this respect at least, Sunday was very encouraging.
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07/12/2020 13:02:44 8 12
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For the benefit of Wales, Scotland and Ireland a final is what you get to play in when you win a semi final. Sorry for any confusion caused when reading this article.
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07/12/2020 15:27:03 1 0
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It sounds a bit like the Welsh word "final" meaning the game against England the outcome of which defines your entire rugby season.

Final day obviously starts with the traditional singing of "as long as we beat the English", never has a song summed up a nation's ambitions so completely
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07/12/2020 13:04:01 6 3
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England lack a move-it-up-the-middle man, in the mold of a Mickey Tindall or Carling - knees up, elbows pumping, in yer face.

The pack was found out by SA a year ago - where's the yeoman player in the mold of Corry, Easter, Hall, or Dooley in the modern game.

Too many spend too much time carping and ref / oppos and whooping decisions, rather than getting stuck in.
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07/12/2020 13:21:37 0 3
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Tuilagi?
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07/12/2020 13:24:50 1 2
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Fords a better 10 than Faz, and Slades a better 12 than Faz... Whats needed is a bigger 13 if England persist on the metres through tackles. The wings of Cokanasiga and Jack Nowell would be better suited to a bigger center pairing.
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07/12/2020 23:05:52 0 0
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Will Carling retired by Lomu! Will Greenwood the best!
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07/12/2020 13:04:14 49 2
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Simon Amor should spend all the time he has with the England backs teaching them how to align in attack and how to catch and pass a ball. How many times during this tournament have we seen a pass thrown to the inside shoulder, over the head and at the feet. Easier to kick the ball than try to attack through the hands. Basic schoolboy stuff !
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07/12/2020 14:31:52 21 9
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Think they are just out of practice... some of the outside backs have only touched the ball a handful of times in the last two months.
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07/12/2020 16:01:26 3 0
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They only need chase and catch high kicks - passing and running with the ball are obsolete skills?
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07/12/2020 13:04:23 84 4
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A win is a win but it felt unimaginative and one-dimensional and I think we couldn't have complained if we'd lost.
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07/12/2020 14:14:17 29 3
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Well done England for winning but the one dimensional issue is not theirs alone. felt for their one game Fiji were the best watch.

All Celtic teams were fairly average, really disappointed with Scotland's display against French, just kicking it away and their no-show, again, against Irish !
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07/12/2020 13:05:05 4 2
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The forward Power and the never give up attitude was world class. However they need to use the backs more...If we do they will become World champions...
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07/12/2020 13:05:34 6 2
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England are flirting with disproving the maxim that the side that makes the least mistakes will win the game. If the error count is kept artificially low by taking zero measured risks then sides with less ability to control territory and possession will always have the chance to pick England off by being incisive and not wasting their chances when they do come.
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07/12/2020 13:05:49 8 9
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England just do enough, it's the mark of a good side.

They would have still beaten France had their first team started, and they'll win the 6N again next year.
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07/12/2020 13:12:47 3 5
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If the full French XV had played a scratch England B/C team, doing 'just enough' would not have been acceptable and it's not the mark of a good side; England did not click. Without a few dodgy reffing calls, England would/could have lost this game.
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jNe
07/12/2020 13:06:12 15 10
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Funny how 'kick and clap rugby' is ok unless it's anyone other than England doing it. When Ireland were smashing them off the park up front all we heard from Eddie was, 'Boring old Ireland', But now England have developed a strong defensive 15, boring rugby isn't so much of an issue, and Eddie gets awfully offended if you say otherwise...
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07/12/2020 13:10:24 8 5
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You're wrong there - the press have hammered England for this in the past - to the point where they once completely changed their tactics for a World Cup final!
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07/12/2020 13:10:39 11 3
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No, its the other way around, if anyone else does it its OK once England start doing it they are "destroying the whole of rugby"!
Massive hypocrisy!
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07/12/2020 13:06:18 49 14
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Last year just before RWC final - Dawson said that not one S.African would make the England squad or words to that effect. After beating a weakened Ireland & Wales he compared England to the All Blacks. I just can't take him seriously - he's the click-bate king.
England is on a good run against weakened opposition & but must probably improve significantly to beat the full French side in the 6N.
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07/12/2020 13:23:15 28 5
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Rugby's Robby Savage.

Hindsight 100%.....

Foresight 0%
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07/12/2020 13:56:48 1 1
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I was pleased to hear Dawson say the Ire vs Eng game in Dublin is a foregone conclusion.
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07/12/2020 22:11:53 0 1
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Not sure it’s weakened just weak. Wales, Scotland Ireland are bang average and England are a bit better but not a lot!
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07/12/2020 13:07:35 15 5
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England should have murdered the France Extra B XV - but they didn't. The French team were magnificent. It seems that a few of those England players on display are in the twilight of their international careers.
I would like to see the TMO/Assistant Refs identify and penalise those who do not retire when a ball is kicked. Maybe we can get rid of the awful kicking tennis just by applying the rules.
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07/12/2020 13:10:37 12 2
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yet they were the only side that got anywhere near England. Says little for the other sides in the tournament. Both French sides could expect a top 3 finish in the 6N.
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07/12/2020 13:20:55 4 1
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A little perspective David. They spent virtually the entire second half camped in their own 22, where they defended magnificently without any doubt. But they hardly 'played' brilliantly either. If Farrell had worn his kicking boots the game would have be comfortably over within the 80.
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07/12/2020 15:43:30 2 0
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Wish refs would look at offside as well 50% of the time 9 eventually got his hands on the ball they were 2 yards offside
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07/12/2020 12:56:28 10 4
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This will give Eng more confidence than a 30-0 cakewalk

Owen mislaid his kicking boots, 7 pts down with 1 minute to go and they still get the result.

In sudden death they played very professionally - France didn't have a sniff
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07/12/2020 13:07:53 10 11
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England was lucky re calls from the ref in the last 10 minutes - against an inexperienced scratch French B/C team. Nothing to get excited about really.
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07/12/2020 12:53:25 4 3
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With Ireland and Wales seemingly weaker I agree it is England best chance of a Grand Slam with France and Scotland at home.

Also agree they’re not looking for attacking opportunities.

Malins and Robson included with Tuilagi back would create more dynamism.
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07/12/2020 13:09:01 3 1
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And Nowell.
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07/12/2020 13:09:39 1 5
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Man of the match,a welshman who played for Belgium registered under the IRFU. See him most weeks in the Pro 14
and IMO is not up to international standard. Too easily influenced by senior player's. Wonder why there's no mention of the singing of that hymn !!
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07/12/2020 13:09:59 30 5
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Not very impressed with England this autumn, except for the Ireland game, but have to say there seems to be a lot of over reaction to yesterday. A lot of players had off days yesterday with Faz top of the list, but that happens sometimes and ultimately they did the job. Yes- against a French second team, but they were the best side we've faced this autumn by some distance...
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07/12/2020 23:13:27 3 1
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We were a bit fortunate to win. Gallic flair mixed with fronting up almost undid us.
We seem to be playing percentage rugby and its tedious to watch. We have good backs and Ford is playing with handbrake on.
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07/12/2020 13:10:03 46 5
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my concern is the reliance on plan a, there is no plan b,c etc. and a total lack of ability to switch to take advantage of whats in front of them. maybe once or twice all season have they taken advantage of a turnover etc and scored and usually its one individual that has done it. for france however the future looks bright they need to get some of these youngsters in the squad and shake things up
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Tim
07/12/2020 13:51:03 26 6
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This is the key for me. It's very obvious that Eddie Jones has these players 100% under the thumb. If you deviate even slightly from the plan you are for the chop, even if your inventiveness leads to a try, that's no excuse.
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07/12/2020 22:52:23 1 1
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Anyone remember ‘I am the ref not your coach’? No on-field thinking.
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Imo
08/12/2020 13:56:28 0 0
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Totally agree. Not having a plan B has been a major issue for England for quite some time. They rely on forward muscle but if this doesn't work, as demonstrated in the RWC Final, they are clueless. It's a complete waste of talented individuals like May, Nowell, Watson, Daly etc. The French seem to have plenty of muscle up front but also play with passion & flair in the backs.
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jNe
07/12/2020 13:06:12 15 10
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Funny how 'kick and clap rugby' is ok unless it's anyone other than England doing it. When Ireland were smashing them off the park up front all we heard from Eddie was, 'Boring old Ireland', But now England have developed a strong defensive 15, boring rugby isn't so much of an issue, and Eddie gets awfully offended if you say otherwise...
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07/12/2020 13:10:24 8 5
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You're wrong there - the press have hammered England for this in the past - to the point where they once completely changed their tactics for a World Cup final!
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08/12/2020 15:52:00 0 0
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Correct 1991 .
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07/12/2020 13:07:35 15 5
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England should have murdered the France Extra B XV - but they didn't. The French team were magnificent. It seems that a few of those England players on display are in the twilight of their international careers.
I would like to see the TMO/Assistant Refs identify and penalise those who do not retire when a ball is kicked. Maybe we can get rid of the awful kicking tennis just by applying the rules.
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07/12/2020 13:10:37 12 2
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yet they were the only side that got anywhere near England. Says little for the other sides in the tournament. Both French sides could expect a top 3 finish in the 6N.
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jNe
07/12/2020 13:06:12 15 10
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Funny how 'kick and clap rugby' is ok unless it's anyone other than England doing it. When Ireland were smashing them off the park up front all we heard from Eddie was, 'Boring old Ireland', But now England have developed a strong defensive 15, boring rugby isn't so much of an issue, and Eddie gets awfully offended if you say otherwise...
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07/12/2020 13:10:39 11 3
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No, its the other way around, if anyone else does it its OK once England start doing it they are "destroying the whole of rugby"!
Massive hypocrisy!
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jNe
07/12/2020 13:47:31 5 5
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Regardless of whatever hypocrisy you perceive from your own media, when your head coach is slamming Ireland for kick and clap, then setting up his team to do exactly that two years later, THAT'S a whole new level of hypocrisy. Jones thinks he's the new Mourinho, pity everyone knew when he started spouting before the game about free flowing rugby England would be set up to do the exact opposite.
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07/12/2020 13:11:13 5 3
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A good win but nowhere near convincing!

England will never win a Grand Slam with that overly defensive performance.
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07/12/2020 13:49:07 3 1
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Wales managed it two years ago. So it possible but i agree they need to find an attacking edge. I think that it will be easier to adopt and bring in. Only the French really played any attacking rugby this Autumn. No other team looked willing to play either unless the match meant nothing. Weather also didnt help.
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07/12/2020 13:05:49 8 9
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England just do enough, it's the mark of a good side.

They would have still beaten France had their first team started, and they'll win the 6N again next year.
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07/12/2020 13:12:47 3 5
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If the full French XV had played a scratch England B/C team, doing 'just enough' would not have been acceptable and it's not the mark of a good side; England did not click. Without a few dodgy reffing calls, England would/could have lost this game.
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07/12/2020 13:47:15 1 1
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At the moment there is a huge strength in depth in both English and French rugby. The side France put out would have given the full side a run for their money, and England could easily pick a reserve 15 capable of running the first team close, off the top of my head, Williams, Dunn, Hepburn, Ewels, Attwood, Wilson, Willis, Simmonds, Spencer, Smith, Joe C, Devoto, Marchant, Thorley, Furbank.
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07/12/2020 13:13:23 11 5
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Next year is going to be a real challenge. If England continue playing like this, they will be found out pretty quickly. As for them being favorites in most matches, for the next two or three years, that is another statement by this pundit,that confounds.
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07/12/2020 13:13:29 39 3
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I am happy England can grind out results when the pressure is on. I am happy our forwards can match any team out there. But I too have been extremely bored watching England hoping for a spark of magic from one of our talented backs. And they are talented, but never get the chance to prove it because the ball very rarely gets past Farrell or Ford.
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07/12/2020 13:20:20 23 12
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The forwards definitely didn't match The Bokke in the RWC final - move on 12 months against a French scratch B/C team; the English forwards only dominated the lineout. The forwards are great in the loose & at the breakdown, but yesterday they couldn't breach the French line after 10 phases from less than 1m; most mauls were stopped; scrum dominance was not as it should have been. Lacking grunt.
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07/12/2020 13:20:41 2 8
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I'd say the lack of outside edge has come from the back 3 over or under running each other and Henry Slade more than it comes from Ford or Farrell being unwilling to give it to them.
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07/12/2020 13:26:49 5 4
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England pack will always keep them competitive. They certainly wont be 'found out'.
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07/12/2020 16:32:45 3 2
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It's hard with youngs slow and predictable service. An out of form Ford, an out of form farrell an out of form full back... Backs not exactly hard to defend against are we
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07/12/2020 17:54:40 0 0
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Absolutely spot on!!!
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07/12/2020 13:17:25 10 11
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Dull game and dull team, the French 1st 15 are only getting better. This England team has peaked, they have mastered the art of boring Rugby. In a year or so France will wipe the floor with them
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07/12/2020 13:18:09 24 12
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I just checked the recent results. It turns out that England won all 4 of their Nations Cup games and WON THE TOURNAMENT!
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07/12/2020 15:09:07 7 11
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Yes Well done England for winning all 4 Nations Cup Matches - BUT.... lets look a little closer - England fielded their strongest team at each round AND... Beat a very Poor Wales side but didnt beat them convincingly, Beat an Irish side that pretty much had a second string back line and blooding lots of new young players,
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07/12/2020 15:09:18 2 7
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labored to a win against a tier 2 nation in Georgia and stuttered to a win against a French 'C' Team (more or less their U21's) SO yeah Well done england for looking ordinary against severly underpar opponents
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08/12/2020 14:39:18 0 0
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And the biggar tournament before that one .
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07/12/2020 13:18:44 76 6
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The laws need to be modified. At the moment the fear of a player becoming isolated is too severe. Even the times there were line breaks yesterday, it frequently resulted in a turnover or a penalty for failure to release. Teams are essentially being incentivised to keep the ball close to their support, and in essence playing this way won South Africa the WC, so no surprises to see it copied.
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07/12/2020 14:26:14 31 8
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I think you need to watch the game again. I don't disagree about players fearing being isolated but SA used a combination to achieve the result. Softened England up and took opportunities clinically when they came. They were nothing like that England team yesterday. Surely that's good rugby. Balance between attack and defence.
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07/12/2020 14:49:40 6 1
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Absolutely
There has to be a benefit for breaking the line
With blitz defense leaving opposition players in the way of support players the instant release rule has to be changed
The reward for attacking play at the moment is to get jackeled and lose the ball!!
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Mal
07/12/2020 15:32:10 3 3
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Agreed but players need to anticipate and support the breaking player.
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07/12/2020 16:16:32 2 3
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SA had a monster pack, in the final their big beasts were bigger and harder than ours
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07/12/2020 17:42:48 6 4
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Yes, you need to watch the World Cup again too. SA defeated England in every aspect of the final, frequently put the ball wide, and scored two superb tries through skilful and inventive back play. And not only were their pack bigger and tougher than England's, they were more dynamic.
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07/12/2020 13:18:49 3 1
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Some voices on here suggesting that England should have smashed France... have you forgotten that France have won the last 2 U21 world cups ? *And* have acquired the best defence coach in the NH ? Strength, depth and competition for places.
And at least England now know who their 6N fullback should be.
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07/12/2020 13:25:56 3 1
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England won the U20 world cup in 2013, 2014 and 2016. France won in 2018 and 2019 i.e their youth world champions who are now only 20/21 years old, while England's U20 world champions are now in their prime (3 teams!!).
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07/12/2020 16:25:19 0 0
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Know who it shouldn't be
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07/12/2020 13:19:44 113 8
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Daly failed to straighten his running line and passed too early thus butchering two certain tries. School boy errors really.
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07/12/2020 13:22:27 76 7
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Agree.
Seemed really low on confidence. I'm a Daly fan, but struggling to see his place in this team.
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Bob
07/12/2020 14:16:29 12 2
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Just couldn't see Daly setting up any sort of attack. I know the game was a bit more open but when Malins came on he looked dangerous.

I think Mike Brown would be more exciting than Daly at Full back at the moment.
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07/12/2020 14:44:04 13 1
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Yep, there should have been a straight forward 2 on 1 run in for Watson but Daly: I) did not fix the last defender; 2) did not straighten his line ; and 3) passed too early, allowing the last defender to not commit to tackling Daly & to drift onto to Watson- criminal!!
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Tim
07/12/2020 14:47:30 6 1
bbc
Yes I agree. Glad that was picked up, France held the line well and didn't commit but I was yelling at Daly to hold and create create the 2 on 1, basics really. I'm a fan of his but not at full back.
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07/12/2020 15:06:24 5 2
bbc
I was also screaming this at the TV. It's strange because he is normally so good at running the right lines! Call it an off day, he wasn't the only one...
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07/12/2020 15:40:23 8 0
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Yeah the clearest was when the winger turned to commit to him but he just passed it straight away. if he just hold the ball longer the winger could never have turned back round to tackle Watson. Such a simple error. Also he runs back with the ball then does this on the spot sidestepping and loses all pace. the difference Malins made by just hitting the line at speed was clear.
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07/12/2020 16:11:18 1 0
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Spot on.
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07/12/2020 16:23:02 1 4
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England appear to be flat track bullies and play with little or no style or flair.
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Tim
07/12/2020 17:12:40 2 0
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Great kick to convert a penalty by Daly. And another long one into touch.
Passing radar was all over the shop though
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07/12/2020 17:46:32 2 0
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Agreed, Daly is an outside centre...for goodness sake play him there!!!
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ET
07/12/2020 21:29:31 2 0
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Watson, when fully fit, has to play at 15. He has the X factor. Oppos would hate kicking to him. Mallins looked a prospect.
Daly does plenty of excellent work but too often wastes, chances usually by failing to commit the defence.
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07/12/2020 23:14:11 0 0
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Daly is a great 13
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07/12/2020 13:20:08 8 13
bbc
Nothing mentioned about the blatant Knock-on in the lead up to England's 'try'. Try should have been disallowed, and France should have been the real victors.
And they say VAR is bad in football. It seemed the lack of an intervention suited the narrative that England should win.
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07/12/2020 13:13:29 39 3
bbc
I am happy England can grind out results when the pressure is on. I am happy our forwards can match any team out there. But I too have been extremely bored watching England hoping for a spark of magic from one of our talented backs. And they are talented, but never get the chance to prove it because the ball very rarely gets past Farrell or Ford.
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07/12/2020 13:20:20 23 12
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The forwards definitely didn't match The Bokke in the RWC final - move on 12 months against a French scratch B/C team; the English forwards only dominated the lineout. The forwards are great in the loose & at the breakdown, but yesterday they couldn't breach the French line after 10 phases from less than 1m; most mauls were stopped; scrum dominance was not as it should have been. Lacking grunt.
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07/12/2020 13:58:00 4 5
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Indeed, South Africa won because they out muscled our pack.

People can complain about Youngd, Farrell et al, but backs who can win you a game when the pack are under that sort of pressure are very rare.

Wasnt all about Cole either, the pack was too lightweight.
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08/12/2020 10:28:38 0 0
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Correct. But the performance of the respective packs in that single game cannot be held as the sole piece of evidence on which to judge them. On a different day, (say, not having just had to front up and beat Aus and NZ in successive knock-out games) England may have had parity or better. That's how sport works. Only a fool would try to claim England's pack is not excellent.
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07/12/2020 13:13:29 39 3
bbc
I am happy England can grind out results when the pressure is on. I am happy our forwards can match any team out there. But I too have been extremely bored watching England hoping for a spark of magic from one of our talented backs. And they are talented, but never get the chance to prove it because the ball very rarely gets past Farrell or Ford.
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07/12/2020 13:20:41 2 8
bbc
I'd say the lack of outside edge has come from the back 3 over or under running each other and Henry Slade more than it comes from Ford or Farrell being unwilling to give it to them.
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07/12/2020 13:20:43 77 12
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Poor article - too nice. Fails to call out how low in quality and entertainment that kick fest actually was. The sport is going backwards at a rate of knots
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07/12/2020 15:25:00 29 7
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Agreed. My son is starting to get into rugby and tried watching it but gave up as it was so boring.
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07/12/2020 22:52:00 0 0
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Way too nice !
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07/12/2020 13:07:35 15 5
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England should have murdered the France Extra B XV - but they didn't. The French team were magnificent. It seems that a few of those England players on display are in the twilight of their international careers.
I would like to see the TMO/Assistant Refs identify and penalise those who do not retire when a ball is kicked. Maybe we can get rid of the awful kicking tennis just by applying the rules.
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07/12/2020 13:20:55 4 1
bbc
A little perspective David. They spent virtually the entire second half camped in their own 22, where they defended magnificently without any doubt. But they hardly 'played' brilliantly either. If Farrell had worn his kicking boots the game would have be comfortably over within the 80.
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07/12/2020 13:28:32 1 1
bbc
Exactly, England dropper 9 points in regulation time because Farrell had a shocker in the spot kick department.
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07/12/2020 13:04:01 6 3
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England lack a move-it-up-the-middle man, in the mold of a Mickey Tindall or Carling - knees up, elbows pumping, in yer face.

The pack was found out by SA a year ago - where's the yeoman player in the mold of Corry, Easter, Hall, or Dooley in the modern game.

Too many spend too much time carping and ref / oppos and whooping decisions, rather than getting stuck in.
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07/12/2020 13:21:37 0 3
bbc
Tuilagi?
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07/12/2020 14:20:10 0 1
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Won’t see him in an England shirt again.... if, as and when he hauls himself off Sales treatment table he’s cashing in and off to France....

www.ruck.co.uk Has transfers, players out of contract etc
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07/12/2020 13:21:52 8 7
bbc
An embarrassing WIN!
le bleu robbed!
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07/12/2020 13:19:44 113 8
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Daly failed to straighten his running line and passed too early thus butchering two certain tries. School boy errors really.
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07/12/2020 13:22:27 76 7
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Agree.
Seemed really low on confidence. I'm a Daly fan, but struggling to see his place in this team.
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07/12/2020 14:10:20 3 4
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Some players have a few big seasons then fade out... personally I think Sarries was the wrong club for him... Brizzle could afford him when he left Wasps and Lam would get more out of Daly..
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07/12/2020 23:11:22 0 0
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Daly is a world class 13 but an average 15 in a strong team. He'll get exposed badly one day. Play him at 13 or 11
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07/12/2020 13:06:18 49 14
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Last year just before RWC final - Dawson said that not one S.African would make the England squad or words to that effect. After beating a weakened Ireland & Wales he compared England to the All Blacks. I just can't take him seriously - he's the click-bate king.
England is on a good run against weakened opposition & but must probably improve significantly to beat the full French side in the 6N.
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07/12/2020 13:23:15 28 5
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Rugby's Robby Savage.

Hindsight 100%.....

Foresight 0%
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07/12/2020 14:20:36 7 2
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What did Robbie Savage ever win?
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07/12/2020 13:04:01 6 3
bbc
England lack a move-it-up-the-middle man, in the mold of a Mickey Tindall or Carling - knees up, elbows pumping, in yer face.

The pack was found out by SA a year ago - where's the yeoman player in the mold of Corry, Easter, Hall, or Dooley in the modern game.

Too many spend too much time carping and ref / oppos and whooping decisions, rather than getting stuck in.
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07/12/2020 13:24:50 1 2
bbc
Fords a better 10 than Faz, and Slades a better 12 than Faz... Whats needed is a bigger 13 if England persist on the metres through tackles. The wings of Cokanasiga and Jack Nowell would be better suited to a bigger center pairing.
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07/12/2020 13:24:56 26 8
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I bet those 2000 Eng/Fra fans at twickenham would have preferred to be at Murrayfield this weekend instead...

Fiji reminding the world that professional rugby is supposed to be an "entertainment business".
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07/12/2020 15:49:36 4 6
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Losing every game is only fun for opposition fans
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07/12/2020 16:11:21 3 0
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Fiji missed the memo that sport is no longer about having fun and showing some entertainment.
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07/12/2020 21:45:53 0 0
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Fiji were entertaining, and it’s a shame they had only one match to show off their brand of rugby.
I am hoping that it was the tournament format that led to the safety first, defensive kicking rugby rather than a more positive approach that the one off AI’s can bring. It was still great to see international rugby back, even if it wasn’t all about entertainment.
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07/12/2020 13:24:56 8 2
bbc
pretty dire to watch even it was only 15 minutes on an "hour" highlight show on c4 with two crap presenters
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07/12/2020 13:25:02 27 1
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i think all teams have become scared to play, certainly anywhrer near their own half. The rules now seem to heavily favour the defenders, where getting your hands on the ball for a millisecond results in a penalty for the defence. Theres no incentive for teams to throw it wide, where they may get potentially isolated.
But better enforcement off offside would help.
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07/12/2020 13:25:06 11 15
bbc
I must have watched a different game from Dawson.. I don’t think any of the home nations will agree with his home bias.. any one of them are capable of living with and beating England! Deluged arrogant nonsense as usual!
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07/12/2020 13:33:39 6 4
bbc
Pity that hasn't happened recently then!
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07/12/2020 13:18:49 3 1
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Some voices on here suggesting that England should have smashed France... have you forgotten that France have won the last 2 U21 world cups ? *And* have acquired the best defence coach in the NH ? Strength, depth and competition for places.
And at least England now know who their 6N fullback should be.
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07/12/2020 13:25:56 3 1
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England won the U20 world cup in 2013, 2014 and 2016. France won in 2018 and 2019 i.e their youth world champions who are now only 20/21 years old, while England's U20 world champions are now in their prime (3 teams!!).
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07/12/2020 14:12:16 2 1
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Some good players from them teams... Moriarty, Tompkins & Johnny Williams... I’m sure there’s a few more ?
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07/12/2020 23:10:24 0 0
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Itoge captain two victories
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07/12/2020 13:13:29 39 3
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I am happy England can grind out results when the pressure is on. I am happy our forwards can match any team out there. But I too have been extremely bored watching England hoping for a spark of magic from one of our talented backs. And they are talented, but never get the chance to prove it because the ball very rarely gets past Farrell or Ford.
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07/12/2020 13:26:49 5 4
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England pack will always keep them competitive. They certainly wont be 'found out'.
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07/12/2020 13:20:55 4 1
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A little perspective David. They spent virtually the entire second half camped in their own 22, where they defended magnificently without any doubt. But they hardly 'played' brilliantly either. If Farrell had worn his kicking boots the game would have be comfortably over within the 80.
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07/12/2020 13:28:32 1 1
bbc
Exactly, England dropper 9 points in regulation time because Farrell had a shocker in the spot kick department.
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07/12/2020 13:28:37 4 1
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Players at this level should have the skills , it is the structure and tactics that need developing. Our 2nd team that would give the so called gun 15 a game, Malins ,Nowell James, Lawrence, Thorley, Simmons j, Robson, Genge, Cowan Dickie, Williams, Hill, Lawes, Willis, Dombrant, Simmonds s
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07/12/2020 14:07:46 1 1
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That’s a much better XV
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07/12/2020 13:32:30 2 1
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I would LOVE for Matt Dawson to hold court in a rugby club and read out his latest script. As long as plenty of ales were had, I truly believe that all the posters on here would sound equally informative, inspired, outrageous and no double checking allowed.
God I miss post match three sheets to the wind conversations at your local Rugby club bar!
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07/12/2020 13:33:00 3 1
bbc
What was disappointing was we never got on the front foot we where stopped dead by a strong defence compliments of Mr Edwards.Which meant we had very little attacking ball and Ford and Farrell where sat deep with no options but kick.We don’t seem to recognise when to attack and some of the passing when we do is not international class.But we won and France where the best side we’ve played so far.
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07/12/2020 13:25:06 11 15
bbc
I must have watched a different game from Dawson.. I don’t think any of the home nations will agree with his home bias.. any one of them are capable of living with and beating England! Deluged arrogant nonsense as usual!
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07/12/2020 13:33:39 6 4
bbc
Pity that hasn't happened recently then!
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jNe
07/12/2020 13:36:04 3 2
bbc
Short English memories.
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07/12/2020 13:34:51 7 8
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England were very very lucky
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07/12/2020 13:35:28 20 4
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You won't win RWCs playing like that, prob even not the 6N.
Beaver knows it, we all know it.
Big improvements in attacking intent needed.
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07/12/2020 13:33:39 6 4
bbc
Pity that hasn't happened recently then!
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jNe
07/12/2020 13:36:04 3 2
bbc
Short English memories.
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07/12/2020 16:33:45 0 0
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Yep. 5th in the 6 nations only two year ago.
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07/12/2020 13:40:53 8 2
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One of the reasons for this was surely that Jones continues to pick out of form players in the backs: Daley was most obvious example but he seems to be there more for his howitzer boot than attacking form - could he not have picked Watson at FB and had a look at one of our talented young wingers?
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07/12/2020 13:40:55 2 1
bbc
A couple of times runners didnt straighten up and passed too early failing to draw the man resulting in outside man getting tackled. Would prefer to see Watson at f/b Cockanasiga on the wing.
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07/12/2020 13:44:22 2 1
bbc
agree on Watson but Thorley next winger
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07/12/2020 13:42:40 2 7
bbc
England strolled it just like the All Blacks would.....@mattdawsontalkingcrap
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07/12/2020 16:58:47 0 0
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South Africa are World Champions and the No. 1 ranked team now so all comparisons should be made to them.
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07/12/2020 13:43:35 7 3
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People seem to forget where England were a few years ago. They now have a really solid, destructive Plan A. It's not always pretty, it won't satisfy the 'purists' but it gets results, and at times they have looked awesome.
The question is whether they have a Plan B, and we won't know the answer to that until they need to produce it.
How I wish Wales were in such a position
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07/12/2020 13:43:35 3 4
bbc
Matt you fail 2 ask let alone answer questions fans have of Yoda & his on field team Youngs/F&F what is Plan B? For a group in camp for 4+ weeks played 4 games the lack of attacking moves shocking passing was criminal Jones needs to pick form players ditch those relying on past glories For all his success in improving England one GS poor 2021 needs another Otherwise thanks Eddie Hello Rob!
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07/12/2020 13:40:55 2 1
bbc
A couple of times runners didnt straighten up and passed too early failing to draw the man resulting in outside man getting tackled. Would prefer to see Watson at f/b Cockanasiga on the wing.
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07/12/2020 13:44:22 2 1
bbc
agree on Watson but Thorley next winger
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07/12/2020 13:12:47 3 5
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If the full French XV had played a scratch England B/C team, doing 'just enough' would not have been acceptable and it's not the mark of a good side; England did not click. Without a few dodgy reffing calls, England would/could have lost this game.
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07/12/2020 13:47:15 1 1
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At the moment there is a huge strength in depth in both English and French rugby. The side France put out would have given the full side a run for their money, and England could easily pick a reserve 15 capable of running the first team close, off the top of my head, Williams, Dunn, Hepburn, Ewels, Attwood, Wilson, Willis, Simmonds, Spencer, Smith, Joe C, Devoto, Marchant, Thorley, Furbank.
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07/12/2020 14:09:57 1 1
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Was with you till you mentioned Furbank NO!! Hammersley at Sale never mentioned a better bet at 15 As for Ewels I'd say both Stooke & McNally are better locks than he is Jones likes him because he puts his hand up"
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07/12/2020 13:47:17 2 3
bbc
Should return to the good old days when the tackled player had to release the ball immediately or suffer the consequences of 'the cherry blossom treatment' - led to more open watchable game and encourage tackling advantage
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07/12/2020 14:26:38 1 1
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The tackling advantage seems to be a major factor in the perpetual kicking game as it discourages players to risk getting tackled. To make the game more watchable, I would have thought we need more advantage to attackers.
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07/12/2020 13:47:24 5 2
bbc
England won, but it was against a very inexperienced French team. Think England had just over 780 caps between them, the French just over 60 caps. All the pre match hype for England did not materialise, with Edwards looking after the French defence, they can only get better so England will have to develop some attacking flair quickly.
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07/12/2020 13:58:52 4 2
bbc
Maybe France lacked experience but not Talent. The French players are very good and played very well. England did not play well but their greater experience hepled them win the game in the end. Englands second choice XV would push the 1st XV too if they played to their best.
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07/12/2020 13:10:39 11 3
bbc
No, its the other way around, if anyone else does it its OK once England start doing it they are "destroying the whole of rugby"!
Massive hypocrisy!
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jNe
07/12/2020 13:47:31 5 5
bbc
Regardless of whatever hypocrisy you perceive from your own media, when your head coach is slamming Ireland for kick and clap, then setting up his team to do exactly that two years later, THAT'S a whole new level of hypocrisy. Jones thinks he's the new Mourinho, pity everyone knew when he started spouting before the game about free flowing rugby England would be set up to do the exact opposite.
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07/12/2020 13:48:04 5 3
bbc
So, when England win against Ireland, Scotland and Wales, as the regularly do, it is invariably due to an imbalance of power in the pack. It really does therefore, beg the question, how a team composed of players that were taking to the field as U20’s up until very recently, can match them if not over power the England pack during that game?? ??????
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07/12/2020 13:55:47 4 4
bbc
Great comment, except they didn't come close to matching England's pack. 3 scrum pens against France, none against England
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07/12/2020 13:11:13 5 3
bbc
A good win but nowhere near convincing!

England will never win a Grand Slam with that overly defensive performance.
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07/12/2020 13:49:07 3 1
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Wales managed it two years ago. So it possible but i agree they need to find an attacking edge. I think that it will be easier to adopt and bring in. Only the French really played any attacking rugby this Autumn. No other team looked willing to play either unless the match meant nothing. Weather also didnt help.
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07/12/2020 13:49:37 4 1
bbc
Massive respect to France, they'll be favourites for the next World Cup. It was a pretty dreadful tournament - hopefully we get a few rule changes (caterpillar rucks, reduce the substitutions) to liven up the game.
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07/12/2020 14:08:25 4 1
bbc
Too much playing for penalties. The clock should also stop for the scrum to form. I think there was only one collapse in Fiji v Georgia, so scrummaging should be possible. Mind you, I played at school in a time when the ball had to go in straight.
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Joe
07/12/2020 13:49:56 0 3
bbc
People moaning about the officials should have watched our game against Harlequins last night (this isn’t excusing our performance by the way)
2 offside tries given and a missed headbutt from Chris Ashton on Tom Seabrook in the first half
Also seen a couple of Quins fans claiming that Lloyd Evans faked his injury when they did get their red, a very rich claim coming from them
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07/12/2020 13:56:14 1 2
bbc
brilliant game that was. Really exciting for the neutral
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07/12/2020 14:01:42 1 2
bbc
A Gloucester fan complaining about a Referee. Some things don't change. I remember a few seasons ago I read all of the write ups on the Gloucester website and they didn't lose a single game that wasn't blamed on poor officials.

Just learn to enjoy the game.
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07/12/2020 14:03:11 1 1
bbc
Ye I think refs in general are poor at the moment
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07/12/2020 13:10:03 46 5
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my concern is the reliance on plan a, there is no plan b,c etc. and a total lack of ability to switch to take advantage of whats in front of them. maybe once or twice all season have they taken advantage of a turnover etc and scored and usually its one individual that has done it. for france however the future looks bright they need to get some of these youngsters in the squad and shake things up
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Tim
07/12/2020 13:51:03 26 6
bbc
This is the key for me. It's very obvious that Eddie Jones has these players 100% under the thumb. If you deviate even slightly from the plan you are for the chop, even if your inventiveness leads to a try, that's no excuse.
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07/12/2020 14:56:49 2 1
bbc
Agree . that's one of the reasons why England lost the last RWC Final
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07/12/2020 16:03:49 2 0
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Eddie Jones is obsessive.
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07/12/2020 13:53:12 7 1
bbc
A loss would have been better as it means the cracks wouldn't be papered over.

Yet again the attack has faltered. England should have scored a try before half time by not just trucking the ball through the forwards. Also Daly butchered a try by not doing the basics, a simple running straight and passing later would have seen Watson score.

I'd like to see Malins at 15.
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07/12/2020 13:54:08 5 2
bbc
Those saying we were lucky against this French team, what does that make Wales and Ireland. (who we beat fairly easily) Either France played very well (which they did) and England had an off day. Or England are terrible and got lucky, meaning Wales and Ireland have not got a chance against France.
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07/12/2020 13:54:37 1 2
bbc
I felt that England really missed a dominating presence in the backline. There was no-one like Tuilagi or Cokanasiga who was a genuine running threat, so it was too easy to defend against.
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07/12/2020 14:02:44 1 1
bbc
just get some runners in there, Malins could start
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07/12/2020 13:54:58 8 5
bbc
Lucky win. That style will not win a World Cup.....Eddie is limited but we knew that.
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07/12/2020 13:48:04 5 3
bbc
So, when England win against Ireland, Scotland and Wales, as the regularly do, it is invariably due to an imbalance of power in the pack. It really does therefore, beg the question, how a team composed of players that were taking to the field as U20’s up until very recently, can match them if not over power the England pack during that game?? ??????
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07/12/2020 13:55:47 4 4
bbc
Great comment, except they didn't come close to matching England's pack. 3 scrum pens against France, none against England
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07/12/2020 14:01:17 1 1
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So no power required just before half time then...????????
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Joe
07/12/2020 13:49:56 0 3
bbc
People moaning about the officials should have watched our game against Harlequins last night (this isn’t excusing our performance by the way)
2 offside tries given and a missed headbutt from Chris Ashton on Tom Seabrook in the first half
Also seen a couple of Quins fans claiming that Lloyd Evans faked his injury when they did get their red, a very rich claim coming from them
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07/12/2020 13:56:14 1 2
bbc
brilliant game that was. Really exciting for the neutral
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07/12/2020 13:56:41 2 1
bbc
A solid and destructive Plan A?
If you to only play in your opponents 22 and use only your forwards to pick, go, drive /maul over the line at least pick the players who are best at doing it.
Williams, LCD, Hepburn,Hill, Ewers and Simmonds x2 would have walked the ball over the French line at the end of the first half.
And you also have a 10 that can release his backs(only with a proper 9 in tow)
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07/12/2020 14:02:58 2 3
bbc
Possibly true, but the French Tight head was injured as he stopped Genge, by using his head and no arms, should have been a pen try and at least a yellow card.

One issue this tournament has been the quality of the officiating, the amount of obvious things being missed is ridiculous, especially with the TMO in real time. We micro analyse a forward pass but miss really blatant things seen on TV
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07/12/2020 16:42:24 0 0
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great comment. Could add Armand to that list too
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07/12/2020 13:06:18 49 14
bbc
Last year just before RWC final - Dawson said that not one S.African would make the England squad or words to that effect. After beating a weakened Ireland & Wales he compared England to the All Blacks. I just can't take him seriously - he's the click-bate king.
England is on a good run against weakened opposition & but must probably improve significantly to beat the full French side in the 6N.
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07/12/2020 13:56:48 1 1
bbc
I was pleased to hear Dawson say the Ire vs Eng game in Dublin is a foregone conclusion.
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07/12/2020 19:18:59 0 0
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When did he say that?
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LS6
07/12/2020 12:55:04 39 4
bbc
I agree with you that Eng kicked the ball away before ANY thoughts otherwise. And some of the kicks appeared aimless, hoping for a mistake. Thats sad and negative.
I hate the words EJ uses. “Fans are disrespectful” because they dont like this style of winning.
TBH both sides should have won it in 80 minutes.
If it had been France what would he have said?
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07/12/2020 13:58:00 48 1
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the 50-50 cross field kick with no penalty advantage when we were camped in the French 22 was utterly criminal.
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08/12/2020 01:02:19 2 1
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When I was coaching my sons team, at U12's level. I would have subbed the player who did that, then discussed why he had felt that he should waste such a great opportunity to apply pressure and score, through a mindless act!
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Jon
08/12/2020 07:27:38 0 1
bbc
Is that not what we're crying out for though? It might have been the wrong time but a bit of a risky flair move is the antidote to the short rucking and tactical kicking game.
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07/12/2020 13:20:20 23 12
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The forwards definitely didn't match The Bokke in the RWC final - move on 12 months against a French scratch B/C team; the English forwards only dominated the lineout. The forwards are great in the loose & at the breakdown, but yesterday they couldn't breach the French line after 10 phases from less than 1m; most mauls were stopped; scrum dominance was not as it should have been. Lacking grunt.
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07/12/2020 13:58:00 4 5
bbc
Indeed, South Africa won because they out muscled our pack.

People can complain about Youngd, Farrell et al, but backs who can win you a game when the pack are under that sort of pressure are very rare.

Wasnt all about Cole either, the pack was too lightweight.
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07/12/2020 14:16:06 4 2
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Peter Steph du Toit is the best 6 in world rugby, Etzebeth not too bad either.... the Boks haven’t seen anything this autumn from any of the home countries that will cause them any concern....

The Lions will have to box clever and I think our only chance is to beat the Boks out wide, make it a fast running game and tire their big lads out... get Lions back 3 on the ball with speed...
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07/12/2020 13:58:23 2 1
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Farrell hadn't played any Rugby since August due to his band for "that" shocking tackle. He played like someone who was rusty and low on game time.

He now returns to Sarries who don't know when their games will re-start due to the uncertainty regarding the Championship.

I understand he is their captain but there must come a point where others are played ahead of him in these circumstances.
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07/12/2020 15:03:31 0 1
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Saracens are in the Elite Prem.
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07/12/2020 13:47:24 5 2
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England won, but it was against a very inexperienced French team. Think England had just over 780 caps between them, the French just over 60 caps. All the pre match hype for England did not materialise, with Edwards looking after the French defence, they can only get better so England will have to develop some attacking flair quickly.
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07/12/2020 13:58:52 4 2
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Maybe France lacked experience but not Talent. The French players are very good and played very well. England did not play well but their greater experience hepled them win the game in the end. Englands second choice XV would push the 1st XV too if they played to their best.
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07/12/2020 12:53:25 4 3
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With Ireland and Wales seemingly weaker I agree it is England best chance of a Grand Slam with France and Scotland at home.

Also agree they’re not looking for attacking opportunities.

Malins and Robson included with Tuilagi back would create more dynamism.
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07/12/2020 13:59:43 2 1
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Tuilagi isn't coming back, I'm afraid. His career has taken a path reminiscent of Jonny Wilkinson after 2003 - if he's fit, play him, and enjoy it while it lasts, but you can't build your team around him because he won't be fit for long.
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07/12/2020 14:21:22 1 1
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Manus off to France.... www.ruck.co.uk. If he gets fit again
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07/12/2020 14:56:25 1 1
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Don’t think anyone’s suggesting building a team around him but if he’s fit and available by 2022 and playing well enough, Jones would be hard pressed not to select him for 2023 World Cup.
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07/12/2020 13:59:48 0 1
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Marcus Smith at 10 please
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07/12/2020 15:03:05 0 1
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Too young.
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07/12/2020 13:59:58 4 1
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Anyone else like to see referees SHUT UP? Apart from calls they are obliged to make such as ‘use it’ or ‘advantage / over’ etc I don’t want to hear them repeatedly warning players not to infringe.

Just ping them and it soon stops! Calling once, twice and even three times on occasion is well into the realms of coaching...
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07/12/2020 14:34:58 1 2
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yet to see any referee take action for delays after repeated warnings, and Farrell must surely go over his kicking time repeatedly without reproach.
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07/12/2020 14:00:47 2 1
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World Rugby Awards tonight.
Doubbt that the player, team or coach of the year was on display in the England vs France match.
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07/12/2020 14:01:01 1 2
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Eddie Jones is a smart operator, analyses the rules and focuses on how England can win most conclusively with the resources they've got. This currently means kicking away possession and pressuring the opposition into a mistake at the breakdown (how very 2005 Ireland!). However, eventually performances will drop off as the players eventually get bored out of their minds playing that way.
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07/12/2020 13:55:47 4 4
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Great comment, except they didn't come close to matching England's pack. 3 scrum pens against France, none against England
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07/12/2020 14:01:17 1 1
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So no power required just before half time then...????????
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07/12/2020 14:13:21 2 2
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No just an illegal non tackle or two.
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07/12/2020 14:01:26 14 6
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Anyone else think Dawson is biased beyond belief?
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07/12/2020 14:05:15 8 2
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"...Eddie Jones' side are naturally going to be favourites in most matches for the next two or three years" - say no more!!
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07/12/2020 14:36:59 2 4
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He's a passionate Englishman and speaks sense. I'd be the same, you give the writer what they want.
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Joe
07/12/2020 13:49:56 0 3
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People moaning about the officials should have watched our game against Harlequins last night (this isn’t excusing our performance by the way)
2 offside tries given and a missed headbutt from Chris Ashton on Tom Seabrook in the first half
Also seen a couple of Quins fans claiming that Lloyd Evans faked his injury when they did get their red, a very rich claim coming from them
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07/12/2020 14:01:42 1 2
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A Gloucester fan complaining about a Referee. Some things don't change. I remember a few seasons ago I read all of the write ups on the Gloucester website and they didn't lose a single game that wasn't blamed on poor officials.

Just learn to enjoy the game.
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Joe
07/12/2020 14:42:02 0 1
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Errrrm you did read the bit in brackets didn’t you ???????