Brexit: Trade talks 'have reached critical stage'
07/12/2020 | news | politics | 9,859
The UK says it is still working for a deal, but the EU's mood is described as "gloomy".
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07/12/2020 10:31:15 42 58
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If anyone is still in any doubt about it this last minute reversal of negotiations that were supposed to be made in ‘Good faith’ is proof that the EU and Macron are not our friends and want to harm the UK and be seen to harm the UK and this because we chose to be free of their dictatorship.

BREXIT = FREEDOM
MM
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07/12/2020 10:34:09 34 19
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How can the EU be a dictatorship when Macron s can exercise his sovereign right of veto, as can every other member nation state?

Oh never mind.
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07/12/2020 10:36:52 16 7
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If Brexit is freedom, then why has my freedom to live and work in 27 other countries been removed?
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07/12/2020 10:38:36 13 7
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Your equation makes as little sense as your submission. The EU don;t need to try and harm the UK we are doing that superbly well unaided.
07/12/2020 12:41:18 1 0
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It can't be nice being disliked by so many people.
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07/12/2020 10:31:37 25 18
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Deal or no deal. Get Noel Edmunds in on the act. At least he made the concept entertaining. Doris just makes it look like 'Billy Smarts circus'
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07/12/2020 10:31:38 42 39
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So to summarise the position.

The EU would like to ensure standards of production and workers rights are maintained inline with EU progression.

The Tories would like to enable a race to the bottom ensuring we can set out own standards, slash costs and worker rights without penalty and then price dump into the EU single market.

Shouldn't be too hard to bridge that gap.
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07/12/2020 10:34:37 16 18
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'workers rights' have to paid for and guess who pays??

that's right us the workers pay thru excessive taxation - we would rather have our money then Eu socialism thanks.
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07/12/2020 10:42:12 5 3
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Your summary of the position is wide of the mark. The EU want to ensure that the UK won't unfairly subsidise UK businesses who then have an unfair advantage over their EU competitors (though many EU countries do it anyway ignoring their own rules) & want the EU to be able to unilaterally decide if any agreement has been broken & also to have the right to fish in UK waters. Tough points to agree on
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07/12/2020 10:43:06 4 8
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Hilarious. So much of EU manufacturing was outsourced to Eastern Europe and the Far East.

When China trade with the EU, the make things to a specification. They are not obliged to adopt the same standards. Britain will do the same.

Britain will expand to create many free ports. That would not be permitted by the EU. They will boost the British economy.
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07/12/2020 10:52:16 6 5
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A very good way to put it.
The Tories and their backers have always wanted this.
They will have no EU restrictions on tax didging, helping workers, protecting wage and employment rights.
In short its a return to their prefered model of government...fuedalism

Well you voted for it, hope you all enjoy it, us poor sods who didnt are SO happy about that... nah, not really, we're cheesed off!
07/12/2020 13:28:39 1 1
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Why not have a race top the top. Adopt EU standards ... and then raise ours: we can still export to them but they can't sell to us.
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07/12/2020 10:31:46 29 29
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Where does this 'new' Brexiter tactic of labelling everyone who disagrees with them or criticizes the Govt, as "not living in the UK" come from?

It has all the hallmarks of a 'Cunning Cummings Plan'!??
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07/12/2020 10:37:37 21 10
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Probably from the same camp that labels all those who voted for Brexit as "gammon", "uneducated", "racist", "deluded", etc. Hate-filled rhetoric from a group of people who consider themselves more important and more intelligent than "the plebs". Well, frankly, if that is their idea of being better educated, woke, realistic and worthy of being listened to, then that's just sad. They need help.
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07/12/2020 10:31:55 48 40
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At the end of the day all the UK wants is a normal, open and friendly trading arrangement.

If all that is preventing this is the EU's overt concern that other countries will leave, clearly shows that the EU is a flawed model and quite frankly that is their problem.
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07/12/2020 10:35:19 12 8
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The people of the UK, most likely yes. The people who pull the strings behind those in power, no. They want something very different. There is the danger.
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07/12/2020 10:35:49 6 7
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You don't get it do you. You leave a club and still want to use the facilities, you have to pay. What you dont get to do is dictate the rules. Its not difficult that concept.
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07/12/2020 10:38:57 6 7
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Untrue. The UK is demanding access to the EU while simultaneously demanding that the EU allow it to ignore all the rules associated with that access.
07/12/2020 17:45:46 0 0
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You want to be member of a club, pay no fees and make up your own rules as you see fit. It will not happen.
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07/12/2020 10:32:01 1075 507
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How did a modern, first-world country find itself in such a ridiculous mess, verging on the brink of economic self-harm in pursuit of sovereignty which it never lost?

Oh I remember now, Bojo lied so he could fulfil his selfish ambition of becoming PM at all cost. Common sense doesn’t come into it.
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07/12/2020 10:39:22 627 297
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Yup, people bought into Boris' and Farages power grab that now (to quote lady Macbeth) "I am in bloodStepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er."

I'd like to think most brexiteers realise the mistake they've made but they've gone so far that to admit they were wrong will make them look too foolish so they double down
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07/12/2020 10:43:11 27 57
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Remainers keep repeating the word lied, is meaningless, we all now know remainers were as guilty of lying and in some cases went to extream to lie Andrew Neil proved that behond doubt including video evidence, what was even more telling was the mouthpiece for the EU - BBC took Andrew Neil off air and then gave us a podcast run by 4 avid remainers.
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07/12/2020 10:48:14 23 36
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We are a leading first-world country. It is time the country got behind itself.
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07/12/2020 10:50:16 42 17
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we were taken for suckers and believed all the lies

What ever happened to honesty and integrity
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07/12/2020 11:16:43 7 8
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Because they joined the EU & now find that though they want a deal at any cost, their EU partners France say they'll scupper any they don't agree with. So much for the German voter sovereignty hey? They won't be able to vote Macron out, and he determines if the German auto industry loses 100K jobs or not. Smart move UK leaving the EU & just in time to avoid, bailing out S Europe & US sanctions
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07/12/2020 11:21:25 9 5
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Modern, first-world ... ridiculous mess ... economic self-harm ...
It didn't work well for Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, and isn't going to work for us now.
Millions of people, however, voted for it, and they knew what they were voting for.
07/12/2020 11:30:22 3 4
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That democracy is an awful thing isn't it. Freedom and sovereignty is more important than the economy, unless you are working in the City of London.
07/12/2020 11:33:36 7 7
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Because democracy worked that's why. More people wanted to leave than wanted to stay, simple. Great choice.
07/12/2020 11:59:14 4 5
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How?
By joining the miserable club, in the 1970s.
That is how.
Bad mistake.
Very bad mistake.
07/12/2020 12:16:23 3 6
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What do you mean didnt lose? We cant even set up a trade deal on our own! We cant import what we want from Australia and New Zealand. We cant decide on our own environmental standards or on bailing out our companies. Heavens the EU now has a foreign policy we MUST obey! We can t decide on the voltage, the road signs or anything any more. We have lost our ability to decide how we wipe our bum!
Ian
07/12/2020 12:17:26 3 4
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The real economic self-harm has been the huger over-reaction to the pandemic and the laying waste to so much of our economy in the name of public health. Brexit will bring its own problems but they are insignificant by comparison.
07/12/2020 12:30:17 3 2
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It is a stated aim of the EU of ever closer unity at the expense of sovereignty. This will not be put to the citizens of that organisation for their approval.
07/12/2020 12:32:58 5 5
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The mistake Cameron made was to give the choice to stay or leave, to a generally politically naive and racist British public. To build the massive lorry park in Kent on a flood plain sums this country up now. We have become a lost toddler in a supermarket.
07/12/2020 12:36:26 3 4
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The mistake that Cameron made was to give the public the choice of staying or leaving who are generally, politically naive and racist.
07/12/2020 12:40:42 4 3
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Because the Unionists are racist imperialists who still think the NON EXISTENT Empire will bail us out
07/12/2020 12:46:55 3 4
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When you are unable to police your own borders or control the immigration into your own country, you have definitely lost your sovereignty.
But not to worry.
I am sure that we will have back again, soon.
07/12/2020 12:54:43 1 2
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I think he is doing his best, what have you to offer???
Edj
07/12/2020 12:58:35 2 3
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same old harpy cap trap. Do you read or are interested in facts. Nobody listens, 80 majority, go bojo!
MT
07/12/2020 13:02:15 3 3
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The people knew exactly what they were voting for. BREXIT. Then in the General Election they knew EXACTLY what they were voting for. RESULT. Democratic wishes of the UK people were for BREXIT. To regain sovereignty and that does not mean the EU expecting to dictate our sovereignty for us, something they've not done in any other trade deal with any other country!
07/12/2020 13:09:24 4 2
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Because the vote was cast by people with absolutely no idea what the real life decision would mean and instead they had some romanticised view of a "free" UK and the politicians preyed on that ignorance
07/12/2020 13:12:17 2 3
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If we didn't lose our sovereignty how was it the EU were able to BLOCK the UK reducing VAT on Fuels in 2009/2010 during the financial crisis?
07/12/2020 13:14:22 2 3
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If you think that we lost no sovereignty to the EU you are in a parallel universe. It is astonishing that anyone could say something so clearly untrue.!
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07/12/2020 10:32:23 31 37
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The EU have never negotiated in good faith.
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07/12/2020 10:38:31 16 14
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says who, a government that unlawfully prorogues parliament and is ready to break international law?
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07/12/2020 10:39:15 3 4
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There's no evidence for that.

On the other hand, Bojo wants to break international law.
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07/12/2020 10:40:16 1 3
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Neither has the UK, it would be impossible for any politician of any colour in any country to negotiate anything in good faith they are all to self serving.
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dan
07/12/2020 10:41:02 4 4
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Complete nonsense. We LITERALLY threatened to throw away the withdrawal agreement. If anyone's acted in bad faith it's us. I love our country, and am so so embarrassed at how Johnson and co have made us appear a lying little laughing stock on the international stage.
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07/12/2020 10:41:22 3 3
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Define 'Good Faith'
Is the Internal Market Bill an example?
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07/12/2020 10:32:32 178 70
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A deal is best for us all.
I'm sure we will get one that, in the end suits both sides.
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07/12/2020 10:35:22 186 26
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Wish I had your faith in politicians on both sides!
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07/12/2020 10:36:49 27 15
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The best deal was remaining in the EU, the deal we get will make us poorer but at least its better than nothing (look at what brexit has made us resort to, begging for scraps)
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dan
07/12/2020 10:38:24 25 10
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Unfortunately Tess, when you enter into trade negotiations with a group who's combined economic size is vastly larger than yours, you get bullied. No amount of flag waving and hyperbole will change that.
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07/12/2020 10:40:13 9 5
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Not with the proposed amendments to the internal market bill. But perhaps that is the plan.
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07/12/2020 10:45:03 18 7
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But the sad thing is that any deal, even if gold plated and studded with diamonds, will be poorer for both sides than what we had with the UK as an EU member.
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SJ
07/12/2020 10:52:23 8 6
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Northern Ireland has already had their interests chucked in the bin by Boris. They have no hope in this.
07/12/2020 12:03:15 0 4
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I hope you are wrong.
07/12/2020 12:09:45 4 3
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A choice of no deal or a bad deal is what we have. The same arguments over the integrity of the SM vs UK sovereignty are exactly the same as in 2017. Most people will still not be happy in 2021, and most of us will be worse off.
07/12/2020 13:03:02 2 0
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I wish you were right but I’m really fearful now that Boris is going to sell us down the river without a paddle.
07/12/2020 13:18:52 4 1
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Never underestimate the stupidity of Boris Johnson. His sole interest is keeping himself in power, which means pleasing his fanatical Make Britain Great Again supporters. He doesn't care for an instant about those whose jobs will be lost when we crash out of the EU.
07/12/2020 13:19:41 1 5
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As someone that voted to leave the EU and am old enough to remember the lies told to British Voters by the then EEC, people voted yes in 1975 and soon realised they were conned and NOT A SINGLE PROMISE was kept.

We have been dragged down by the EU for 40yrs without the chance to have our say on treaty after treaty ending up with the Lisbon Treaty and told by Gordon Brown we were all too thick
07/12/2020 13:55:31 1 1
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But will it deliver on the promises of Brexit, that's the question that we'll need to hold the Gov't to account on.
07/12/2020 14:53:05 0 0
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Maybe a number of years from now...
07/12/2020 15:44:33 1 0
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The simple problem is that the integrity of the Union far out weights any other concern for the EU unlike the UK who are happy to stuff NI to get what it wants or worse break the GFA.
07/12/2020 17:27:05 0 0
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https://www.zeit.de/politik/index

The heading of an article on Brexit
reads, after google translate
" The mood in Brussels is gloomy"

My money is on no deal.

The EU can't give in because of threats of veto by couple of countries. The EU can't afford disunity over this issue.
Unity is more important than a trade deal with Britain.
07/12/2020 18:08:56 0 0
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It may be too late to get even a shell one this year...
07/12/2020 18:15:55 0 0
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A balanced deal would be good, that doesnt mean total trade free for all. We need to protect our automotive industry against imports in order to force JLR and similar to bring back production of the Defender etc. to the UK. Vauxhall, Ford and many others left our shores because of our membership and it being free to bring cars back here.
07/12/2020 19:25:01 0 0
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UK expects a better overall deal than EU membership.
EU is certainly not going to give UK that.
Boris promised and, without it, what was the point of Brexit?
But what is the point of the EU if leaving is better?

No possible deal 'suits both sides'
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07/12/2020 10:32:37 32 31
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No FTA is better than a bad FTA.

False remain accusations that leavers are racists undermine democracy. Some leavers are intimidated and others fear demonisation if they articulate their views. Some people might support remain simply on the untrue belief that voting leave is racist. Decent remainers should condemn those who pollute the debate with fraudulent, divisive and bigoted hate narratives.
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07/12/2020 10:35:02 8 22
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Too many Brexiter statements with "I'm not a raciat, but......"??
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07/12/2020 10:44:54 0 2
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If only that would happen. Unfortunately there is little decency left when it comes to this debate.
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07/12/2020 10:45:28 3 6
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When has a leaver ever articulated their views as to any benefits the question has been asked on numerous occasions without any quantifiable response.
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CH
07/12/2020 10:46:12 4 3
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Can't say I have ever seen you condemning any Leavers for the insults that they throw "Remoaners" way...

Are you part of the govt? You are another one of the "do as I say, not as I do" merchants.
07/12/2020 14:15:56 0 0
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There is nevertheless some xenophobia attached to the small-minded nationalism that was amongst the Brexit vote. However, to continually dismiss it all as that was to exacerbate the problem, rather than ameliorating it, leading to the mess that it's become.
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07/12/2020 10:33:07 26 20
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We were promised an 'oven ready' deal to 'Get Brexit done.

Please deliver on your promise Mr Johnson
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07/12/2020 10:35:57 19 26
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'Oven Ready' relates to the withdrawal agreement only.
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07/12/2020 10:38:45 2 9
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do your homework
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07/12/2020 10:33:14 21 16
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Another day another Brexit article opened up for comment.

Has anyone's views changed since yesterday? I very much doubt it.

If only the BBC could monetise this click bait.
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07/12/2020 10:44:24 10 11
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No, views have not changed. The majority of UK voters still want to leave, and the Eu is still desperate to hang on to us.
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07/12/2020 11:16:56 4 5
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My view of brexiteers has changed.

I used to think they were complete idiots, now I know some parts are missing.
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FF
07/12/2020 10:33:14 3 4
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"To deal or not to deal"

only the monkeys in the circus know how this plays out.
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07/12/2020 10:33:38 116 32
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It'll be a no deal if that's where the most blame and pompous posturing can be directed.
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07/12/2020 10:46:41 164 183
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Indeed, a lot of the EU do seem quite pompous don't they.
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OwO
07/12/2020 11:11:13 17 7
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Yes, see Euronews with France threatening to veto if they don't get unrestricted access to our fishing waters. The EU will just continue to blame itself, expediting the collapse.
07/12/2020 13:18:41 2 0
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Never go to a bazaar - they'll rob you blind
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07/12/2020 10:33:48 20 14
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Well it looks like all those Brexiteers who knew what they voted for are about to get what they wanted. Enjoy!
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07/12/2020 10:43:12 7 3
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OK!
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07/12/2020 10:43:30 4 7
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No jobs in the car industry and more expensive food and they will claim it’s a success whilst scouring the bins for scraps
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07/12/2020 10:33:54 5 5
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The IMB is going to increase trust and the likelihood of a deal isn't it?
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07/12/2020 10:34:00 618 219
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There is a concerted effort today by Tory hq to revise history. You will be Told the oven ready deal meant the farcical vote in January and to deflect blame onto France for the no deal they are hoping to achieve. You will recognise these similar posts from seemingly different accounts.

No deal is a catastrophe for all bar the very rich and will lead to food and medicine shortages. Project reality
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07/12/2020 10:42:38 17 68
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NO, it won't. scare tactics no longer work. NO DEAL? NO PROBLEM a bit more work, yes!!
Just listen to all the doom Gloomers on here, anybody would think that they actually know what they are talking about BUT THEY DO NOT! Everyone one of them a left whinge moaner. Do not listen to their diatribe of rubbish.
What they fail to take note of is that is we had left NO DEAL 3 years ago all this would have been sorted by this time.
Thanks remoaners for messing it up. Fools!!
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07/12/2020 10:47:45 17 52
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Tell that to the rest of the world which quite happily trades on WTO terms. The idea, that if we also do so it would be calamatous, is totally laughable and phoney.
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07/12/2020 10:49:17 20 37
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So we should just allow the French to continue to fish in UK waters and we still don't get a thing more from the EU. The EU really do want to have their cake and eat it.
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07/12/2020 10:49:42 21 58
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There will be some short term disruption, but we will thrive outside the EU.
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07/12/2020 10:53:12 9 56
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More Left wing drivel.
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OwO
07/12/2020 11:03:44 10 32
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When France is threatening to veto the deal, how exactly is that rewriting history?

"Blame your opponents of what you're doing to hide the fact" is what we see here - both from you momentum shills and the EU itself.
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07/12/2020 11:07:28 6 17
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So why are the French trying to stop Germany getting a deal? Read Euronews, they contradict Katya's assertions in this article, but then when has the BBC or rejoiners ever told the truth about Brexit?
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Ian
07/12/2020 11:19:37 1 19
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Can someone explain why we are trying to get a deal when WTO would suit us well as it does other countries i.e. a clean break. I don’t disagree with trying to get favourable terms but a compromise seems to water down the benefits
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07/12/2020 11:11:19 8 5
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"There is a concerted effort today by Tory hq to revise history"

more like:

There is a concerted effort today by Trumpettes to ignore history all together.
07/12/2020 11:29:09 9 6
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Lots of angry people screaming lefty at me, but no one commenting on the revisionism and the doublespeak by Johnson, supported by the 77th brigade. I lived in China in 2007, this is how it starts folk...
07/12/2020 12:11:25 1 12
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No-deal is the best case scenario.
Roll-on, NO DEAL.
07/12/2020 13:21:03 1 3
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Project rubbish in your case.
07/12/2020 14:23:11 0 5
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This is total unfounded rubbish. WHO Tariffs are 1-3%, they can be cancelled out by currency movements in a day. The only difference will be a change in the bureaucracy required in moving goods, this will cause disruption for a time but shouldn't last forever.
07/12/2020 14:46:42 0 4
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How did we survive pre EU? what a load of tosh.....
07/12/2020 16:30:14 0 0
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it all started when the Tories (together with the yellow emorroid party) put the universities education beyond normal people possibilities, so dont get education and just follow the flag proudly flown by the tories. Unfortunately for the subjects, the less the are educated and the more they will believe the lies of the ruler, plenty of the same around the world and this country is no exception.
Pat
07/12/2020 16:30:42 0 0
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26 % of Food comes from EUSSR Easy to replace at lower non tariff prices
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07/12/2020 10:34:05 480 181
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What happened to the oven ready deal? Oh that's right, the Tories lied to us.

To he only things that were oven ready were the COVID contracts they gave to their mates and donors.
Oven ready referred to the WA not the FTA.
Do your homework troll.
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07/12/2020 10:39:58 18 48
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The oven ready deal related to leaving the EU, which was has already been served.
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OmNom
stop being so negative... What you really need to know is that ALL Politicians Lie, its in their DNA. All Politicians look after their mates even going back to the 1960'd remember Wilson with Lord Gannex? in 1968?The raincoat contracts that didn't keep you dry? Remember Bliar with his PFI initiative for the NHS giving cleaning contracts and sterilisation contracts to his mates? NO Big deal
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07/12/2020 10:54:33 36 5
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oven ready but somebody forgot to light the gas
07/12/2020 12:12:27 0 6
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Yes, they lied.
But we don't need it.
Lets just get out and be independent.
Regain our full sovereignty and relish how it feels.
07/12/2020 12:42:36 1 2
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Another who is a bit thick.
07/12/2020 13:06:59 4 1
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The secret is in the tory rhetoric. Johnson didn't promise an 'oven-ready withdrawal agreement'. Gaslighters gonna gaslight.
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07/12/2020 10:31:15 42 58
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If anyone is still in any doubt about it this last minute reversal of negotiations that were supposed to be made in ‘Good faith’ is proof that the EU and Macron are not our friends and want to harm the UK and be seen to harm the UK and this because we chose to be free of their dictatorship.

BREXIT = FREEDOM
MM
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07/12/2020 10:34:09 34 19
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How can the EU be a dictatorship when Macron s can exercise his sovereign right of veto, as can every other member nation state?

Oh never mind.
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07/12/2020 10:36:05 1 10
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A veto is an EU rule, that is all.
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07/12/2020 10:43:41 9 7
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As I think you guessed try to explain sovereignty to Brexiteers is not worth the effort.
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07/12/2020 10:34:23 18 14
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I'm sure there will be lots of Remoaners saying over the comming days that "The UK backed-down in a series of humiliating U-turns" whereas the EU "made a series of reasonable and understandable compromises in the face of UK intransigence"

'Project Spin'?
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07/12/2020 10:34:26 420 189
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Project Fear is becoming Project Reality as Johnson is unable to deliver on the Brexit half truths of having our cake and eating it.
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07/12/2020 10:42:32 149 310
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I think you need to go back to watching 1970's sitcoms and leave politics t6o those who understand it.
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07/12/2020 10:54:11 6 30
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Given the amount of industrial destruction in the UK over the past 50 years under the EU you must be deaf, dumb and blind.
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07/12/2020 11:08:38 8 3
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Read that as having his Coke and beating it.
07/12/2020 11:55:29 3 16
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City is still trading, and the CIty is our cake you donut, the trade in goods is the German's cake, which is why they want a deal at 'any cost' according to the French over the weekend,. Do keep up, it is such a bind having to repeat for every ill informed rejoiner - why don't you all go and read Euronews instead of Katya, who is contradicted regularly on Euronews.
07/12/2020 12:49:09 1 7
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You are joking of course. The amount of doom and gloom I have heard over Brexit yet nothing mega horrible has happened.
MT
07/12/2020 13:10:19 2 7
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IF its a No deal. HE IS DELIVERING? The referendum and the General Election mandate was about leaving the EU. If the EU want to usurp our democracy and sovereignty after that vote, then the problem is the EU.
07/12/2020 13:22:18 1 3
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All that was claimed was that we could trade with the EU as various other countries do, which was what the EU was saying at the time. This rubbish about access to the single market fails to note that the main exporters to the single market are the US and China, neither of which even have a trade deal.
07/12/2020 13:28:54 1 5
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Yawn.
07/12/2020 13:44:42 5 1
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If only they'd been as much as half-truths! Nothing but a pack of utter lies made up to fool the gullible and fire up the bigots.
07/12/2020 16:46:06 0 1
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Oh but he can and will. A no deal IS good for us, tariffs on imports will move demand from foreign to domestic production which will cut the massive trade deficit we have with the EU. Thus we will be better off out than in.
IF our side stupidly caves in as the remoaners want we will not have left and the country will continue to decline as it has for 40 years.
07/12/2020 19:25:14 0 0
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We might get a mouldy bit of cake but, with WTO, many will go hungry.
We import 40% of our food but, without exports, we won't be able to afford imports.
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07/12/2020 10:34:34 6 17
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I have in my freezer and cupboards supplies for many months. So let things run their course.
Long before my supplies run out Johnson will be begging on his knees and he will have no terms, nor any of his macho arrogance which is good for nothing other than appealing to the mob.
Just like A.Tsipras of Greece, the other leftie populist who wanted only to take and not give.
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07/12/2020 10:44:25 1 2
bbc
Better hope the power stays on then.
22
07/12/2020 10:34:44 10 12
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No Deal - you win some, you lose big time.
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07/12/2020 10:34:50 17 24
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Remember the will of the people:

Leave with a deal: 52%
Remain: 48%
Leave without a deal: 0%
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07/12/2020 10:36:58 14 13
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Leave 52%
Remain 48% losers

An undefined Trade deal = WTO = 100%

The will of the people was to leave, with an undefined trade deal.

Loser: one who lost.
64
07/12/2020 10:38:19 6 7
bbc
Wrong. It was leave or remain, regardless of how we left. Stop rewriting history to suit your agenda.
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07/12/2020 10:42:43 6 6
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Nope.

It was "Leave" or "Remain" on the ref paper.

I know you remoaners think you can re-write history - some of your ilk even think you "won" (bless).

yeah. yeah, I know you will say so-and-so said this, so-and-so said that, but the most important thing said by those who will negotiate the deal (except remoan Labour) was NO deal better than bad.

It was only "Leave" or "Remain" on ref paper
183
07/12/2020 10:40:48 6 6
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When (if) you voted in the referendum, you obviously picked up a joke ballot paper that someone had put there for a laugh. Because nobody else's ballot paper said that.
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07/12/2020 10:34:57 23 20
bbc
So we have quickly managed to establish Free Trade agreements with Japan, Canada and Switzerland (because we're reasonable) yet the EU won't even offer us the same deal they've given to Canada... this was always going to be a punishment beating
85
07/12/2020 10:39:10 6 10
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Its called Power. The EU has it all and little Ingerland has none. However all those still stuck in 1945 think we have.
180
07/12/2020 10:44:01 1 1
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Try referring to a map for the answer...
25
07/12/2020 10:34:58 28 18
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Its worrying how responsibility and authority is left with the totally inept and useless buffoon Johnson. I would trust him to make a cup of tea. He'd lie about doing it.
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07/12/2020 10:36:59 4 6
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I wouldnt
181
07/12/2020 10:39:41 3 2
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Was there a point to your post?
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07/12/2020 10:32:37 32 31
bbc
No FTA is better than a bad FTA.

False remain accusations that leavers are racists undermine democracy. Some leavers are intimidated and others fear demonisation if they articulate their views. Some people might support remain simply on the untrue belief that voting leave is racist. Decent remainers should condemn those who pollute the debate with fraudulent, divisive and bigoted hate narratives.
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07/12/2020 10:35:02 8 22
bbc
Too many Brexiter statements with "I'm not a raciat, but......"??
83
07/12/2020 10:39:03 5 5
bbc
Bigoted remark dude.
189
07/12/2020 10:44:26 4 2
bbc
Well I promise you I am not "a raciat". :)
247
07/12/2020 10:47:38 1 4
bbc
They can't spell? That doesn't make them racist.
27
07/12/2020 10:35:03 8 7
bbc
Without a deal in place by now, we should have expectations of how to move forward on WTO rules and they could at least provide expectations for ports without a finalised deal in place.

This smells of bringing it down to the wire in order to do a U-turn, stay in the single market and say "we tried".
07/12/2020 14:03:08 2 1
bbc
And why wouldn't you want to remain part of the single market? When the vast majority of our trade is with the EU you'd be a fool to want to leave it. Leaving will only make the majority of the thingas you buy more expensive, food being the main thing.
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07/12/2020 10:35:06 8 10
bbc
“The EU says that, without ongoing access to UK waters for its fleets, UK fishermen will no longer have special access to EU markets.”

The EU market is seen as more lucrative as the EU pay more for our fish than our local markets would. I’d say this would be a good deal, we get more money for our fish if we give some of them away (given we eat so few fish from our local catch).
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07/12/2020 10:36:58 5 6
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More lucrative, for who? Not for us.
137
07/12/2020 10:39:04 2 1
bbc
Perhaps it will be a time for fish stocks to recover? We don't have to completely wipe out life in the seas.
29
07/12/2020 10:35:08 16 25
bbc
The sooner we walk away the better.
40
07/12/2020 10:36:15 7 8
bbc
gove panicking hahaha
42
07/12/2020 10:36:33 6 3
bbc
I see the politically and economically illiterati are out in force again today.
135
07/12/2020 10:38:14 1 5
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Amen to that!
07/12/2020 14:05:02 1 0
bbc
Why? What is the benefit of leaving without a deal?

4 years on and I'm still waiting for someone to give me a reason that makes any kind of sense.
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07/12/2020 10:31:55 48 40
bbc
At the end of the day all the UK wants is a normal, open and friendly trading arrangement.

If all that is preventing this is the EU's overt concern that other countries will leave, clearly shows that the EU is a flawed model and quite frankly that is their problem.
30
07/12/2020 10:35:19 12 8
bbc
The people of the UK, most likely yes. The people who pull the strings behind those in power, no. They want something very different. There is the danger.
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07/12/2020 10:49:11 3 4
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This very bizarre club analogy, similar to the ‘you wouldn’t buy a house without assessing it first’ analogy that gets repeated.

Not sure trading goods is ‘using the facilities’ otherwise wouldn’t all countries that trade with EU need to be in the club?
8
07/12/2020 10:32:32 178 70
bbc
A deal is best for us all.
I'm sure we will get one that, in the end suits both sides.
31
07/12/2020 10:35:22 186 26
bbc
Wish I had your faith in politicians on both sides!
32
07/12/2020 10:35:28 15 20
bbc
It seems remainers would accept any deal, however bad it was.

Would it accept a trade deal were UK ad to abide by all EU rules and pay £1billion a day to the EU?

At what stage would a remainer accept it is better to walk away?
84
07/12/2020 10:39:09 5 7
bbc
Gold in the Pathetic Olympics!

We had a much much better deal than the one you're talking about. At what stage your lot is going to accept it?
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07/12/2020 10:40:32 1 3
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Nope wrong as usual, we were happy with what we had, we were not looking for a worse deal, we accepted that the vote was to leave and anticipated the easiest deal ever and that we would retain all the benefits we had without having to follow the rules as the leave fraternity promised.
134
07/12/2020 10:37:58 1 2
bbc
They wouldn't. They are obsessed to the pint of cerebral breakdown.
140
07/12/2020 10:42:21 1 3
bbc
Remainers want the deal we had before. The one where we benefit by over £2billion a week for the measly cost of under £1billion a month.
07/12/2020 14:08:07 1 0
bbc
If you're trying to make a case for leaving then you would do better putting some thought into it, come up with a reasoned debate and not make yourself look like you haven't a clue.

The fact is we had a great deal with the EU when we were a member state. They are our closest and largest trading partner. Not being part of their trading bloc is madness.
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07/12/2020 10:35:31 714 370
bbc
UK the only country to have a free trade agreement with the worlds largest trading block, to try and re-negotiate extra barriers and red tape!!!

BREXIT IS A NONSENSE - i cant wait to re-join.

Its not the EU who are at fault - its the law breakers in Govt to blame!!!
57
07/12/2020 10:37:39 210 132
bbc
Name one other trade deal with FoM.
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07/12/2020 10:41:22 62 29
bbc
One thing Brexit has made more likely (and this would never happen if we remained) is that when the UK rejoins, we will have to adopt the Euro and most likely be part of the Schengen area.
512
07/12/2020 11:01:02 16 33
bbc
The most expensive 'free trade' deal in history! Still, not to worry, trade never stops, it will just have a few tariffs (If the French manage to scupper the German deal - see Euronews, bit of a spat there) and as the CIty has EU leave to continue trading (deal or no deal) that isn't bad. Then if the US imposes the punitive Tariffs WTO said they could, UK won't suffer them, we are out ;-)
07/12/2020 11:36:14 2 9
bbc
Calm yourself down; we wont be going back in thats for sure. There will be riots on the street if anyone in Govt EVER suggests that i suspect.
07/12/2020 11:37:27 3 8
bbc
Re-join? You’ll have a long wait or you could just move there?
07/12/2020 12:06:15 2 11
bbc
The EU is a controlling, domineering block.
It has ideas, over and above its station.
Once out, we can negotiate with them, to our hearts content.
And with ample time to do so.
But, first, lets get out and regain our freedom(s).
Moreover, our negotiating position will, hugely, improve.
Si
07/12/2020 12:02:27 3 9
bbc
The worlds largest trading block is in Asia which is getting richer and richer.
The EU is getting poorer and poorer.
Removed
07/12/2020 13:08:27 1 3
bbc
Asia Pacific is the biggest trading block in the world need to update you narrow world view??
MT
07/12/2020 13:09:00 0 4
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You can easily live in Europe if you are that dissatisfied with democratic wishes demonstrated both in referndum and General Election. Brexit was about regaining sovereignty, wasn't about racism, nor should it be. The heavy hand shown is of EU, primarily via France who think if you regain sovereignty by leaving EU, the EU should still control it! They've not expected that from any other country.
07/12/2020 13:16:01 1 2
bbc
Then you're blind.... the EU has bled the UK dry of many businesses with illegal payments to move them into other EU Member States, Fords Van Production in Southampton being a major blow and loss of work to the area.

You then need to look at the loss of personal GDP to UK workers since 1974 to 2014 - a massive 40%!
07/12/2020 13:22:59 0 2
bbc
What Law have they broken. Does the ficticious International Law over-ride National Law. Why didn't the EU register their complaint with this International Law Court I wonder.
07/12/2020 13:27:11 1 2
bbc
There is more chance of landing on a distant star than re-joining the EU. If you want to live under EU jurisdiction so badly you will have to emigrate.

THE EU IS A NONSENSE.
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dan
07/12/2020 10:35:44 1539 786
bbc
The sad thing is, millions across the UK are so deep into the thinking of Farage, Johnson et al. that even if (let's be honest, WHEN) it is a complete failure, they'll just blame the EU, the "remoaners", the "mainstream media". Basically anything to avoid responsibility.
47
07/12/2020 10:36:53 67 176
bbc
tell that to the government.
159
07/12/2020 10:43:11 141 42
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Totally agree and said this in another comment chain: People bought into Boris' and Farages power grab that now (to quote lady Macbeth) "I am in bloodStepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er." so for them to admit they were wrong would make them look too follish so they double down
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07/12/2020 10:45:46 26 58
bbc
According to Euronews,

"The European Commission president has reportedly been getting more involved, sending one of her top officials, Stéphanie Riso, to London. EU sources quoted by AFP said this was to help "accelerate negotiations, with concessions that risk going beyond what has been accepted by member states".

Katya, try finding out who keeps sending Barnier back & why - try Euronews!
233
07/12/2020 10:46:52 63 184
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ABSOLUTE RUBBISH...from a 'REMOANER'
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07/12/2020 10:47:25 19 35
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Euronews Mon
"Reports that the Commission may be ready to give more ground have ruffled feathers in some European capitals. French President Emmanuel Macron repeated on Tuesday that an agreement "must respect our long-term interests".

"The preservation of the activities of our fishermen in British waters is an essential condition. And so are the long-term market fair competition rules," he said."
253
07/12/2020 10:47:56 181 51
bbc
Let them blame the EU. I do not think that anyone in the EU cares (Blame games are a British thing). What comfort is it if you are working at the Nissan factory in Sunderland, you voted for Brexit and you lose your job? They only have to blame themselves for their (arrogant) stupidity.
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OwO
07/12/2020 10:53:10 104 144
bbc
When you spend 4 years trying to tear apart a national decision and call anyone you disagree with every horrible name under the sun..... you really need to accept your part in making this as difficult as possible.
369
07/12/2020 10:53:26 98 186
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As a "Brexiteer" we have had to put up with your constant whining & refusal to accept the referendum decision. Remoaners should be renamed "Trumpsters". Please get over yourselves, you lost the vote. Accept it and move on with your lives, or move to Europe
451
07/12/2020 10:58:38 73 5
bbc
This gov accepts no responsibility for anything at all, so you can count on the fact that No Deal will be just the same, someone else's fault.
475
07/12/2020 10:59:46 43 104
bbc
The fact your comment is highest rated, given the country overwhelmingly voted for 'getting brexit done' last year, following on from the actual 2016 vote, is a damning indictment of the leftie, remoaner dominated BBC.

I used to browse and comment daily, haven't been back for months. I return today to find it leftie-dominated, just like the Guardian.

You're not representative of GB, know that.
483
07/12/2020 10:59:48 35 35
bbc
Your comment makes no sense. One of the reasons I voted for Brexit is so that NOBODY can hide behind the EU and blame it for things that go wrong. Brexit is ALL about taking responsibility for our own destiny, no longer relying on an organisation that has UK interests low down on its priority list to do so.

Besides, isn't it pointless to blame an organisation we're no longer part of?
488
07/12/2020 11:00:13 15 56
bbc
Tosh absolute complete tosh.
518
07/12/2020 11:01:16 16 65
bbc
Sounds like a remainer assuming what people who voted leave will think. You don't know that, it's a silly assumption and only time will tell as to whether BREXIT is a success of a failure. If we keep to the mentality of remoaners and the media, it will be.
522
07/12/2020 11:01:28 40 10
bbc
The saddest thing is people voted to leave in the first place!
529
07/12/2020 11:01:41 56 5
bbc
They've already started blaming us 'remoaners' because we didn't 'get behind brexit'. It's also apparently the fault of the 'elite media'...not the rabid xenophobic Tory press then?. Brexiteers should grow up & own the mess they voted for.
532
07/12/2020 11:01:52 30 4
bbc
We know that what is happening is that the EU team have now made a couple of small concessions, and that they are now helping the UK team decide how to sell the final deal to the UK voters. Tomorrow's headlines will all be about Boris' "triumphant defeat of the EU dictators," and the press release saying that will have been mostly written by the EU negotiators, who know how dim the English are.
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07/12/2020 11:02:59 6 45
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The sad thing is, so deep into the think of Clegg, Barnier et al. that if (let's be honest WHEN) it is a significant success, remoaners, the BBC, the mainstream media will just blame Brexit for every little thing that goes wrong in the UK. Basically anything to avoid admitting that being a member of a protectionist trade bloc provided little is any practical benefit.
585
07/12/2020 11:04:01 42 3
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After 8 years of living in the UK, working full hours throughout and paying taxes from the first day till the very end, I chose to go back to my European homeland following the 2016 referendum. I have since been asked to close my UK bank and PayPal accounts. Never felt more unwelcome in my life. If this is what the Brexit voters were waiting for, then Bravo! - I take my hat off to you...
600
07/12/2020 11:04:55 6 21
bbc
Unfortunately you've fallen into the trap as many of you have put words into the mouths of those who voted to leave Regardless of whether you wanted to stay or leave it is what it is and we have to make the most of what lies ahead. It's often the case if people think it's going to fail it will do, it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy do you to want to be right or try to make it a success?
752
07/12/2020 11:13:34 3 22
bbc
People like you who ramble on against Johnson are just anti-Tory per se. There is nothing he could do which would temper your dislike of him. You are motivated by plain old party politics as much as by the subject of Brexit. I bet you're a Labour voter.
806
07/12/2020 11:15:52 18 4
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It didn't have to be a complete failure. This Government has made it so. Now they are relying on the people of this country who never wanted Brexit to dig them out of the hole. The terrifying fact is that we have no solution which will prevent economic and social catastrophe. Maybe the Brexiteers have a cunning plan? If so they should tell us what it is so we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
827
07/12/2020 11:16:55 1 25
bbc
what a load of tripe! Remoaners have constantly peddled rubbish all along, peering cynically into their crystal balls praying it all goes wrong so they can say "I told you so". Brexiteers wont blame anyone, remoaners will continue to do so - thats a fact
837
07/12/2020 11:17:17 5 15
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Dan, if you think that voters who want to leave the EU are all Farage and Johnson supporters then you are out of touch with reality. Brexit was supported by many true socialists like myself and millions in the old red wall, who have seen our communities destroyed since we joined the EEC in 1973. You & parts of the country (Southeast) may have benefited from a protectionist racket, most didn't.
841
07/12/2020 11:17:24 3 19
bbc
So is it the UK or the EU that are insisting that the UK must follow EU rules an let the EU continue to fish UK waters and dump their produce here while putting barriers in the way of ours? I mean even today BBC bleating (!) that after we leave there will be problems sending lamb to the EU even with a free trade agreement.
No deal is best by a LONG way.
944
07/12/2020 11:22:19 1 10
bbc
Let me guess....You voted Remain?....
959
07/12/2020 11:23:00 2 13
bbc
AND RIGHTLY SO !!!!!????????????
5
07/12/2020 10:31:55 48 40
bbc
At the end of the day all the UK wants is a normal, open and friendly trading arrangement.

If all that is preventing this is the EU's overt concern that other countries will leave, clearly shows that the EU is a flawed model and quite frankly that is their problem.
35
07/12/2020 10:35:49 6 7
bbc
You don't get it do you. You leave a club and still want to use the facilities, you have to pay. What you dont get to do is dictate the rules. Its not difficult that concept.
274
07/12/2020 10:48:48 4 3
bbc
We'll have the same deal as Canada then - no pay, no FOM, full sovereign fishing rights etc.
10
07/12/2020 10:33:07 26 20
bbc
We were promised an 'oven ready' deal to 'Get Brexit done.

Please deliver on your promise Mr Johnson
36
07/12/2020 10:35:57 19 26
bbc
'Oven Ready' relates to the withdrawal agreement only.
250
07/12/2020 10:47:49 6 3
bbc
What that withdrawal agreement that was so "oven ready" it needs Britain to disregard the rule of law as we want to go back on part of it? So "oven ready" means "throw in the bin and start again" to you?
37
07/12/2020 10:36:00 17 22
bbc
Wonder who brexiteers will be blaming next year when the wheels have well and truly fallen off their bandwagon?
160
07/12/2020 10:43:12 3 5
bbc
They will go back to blaming single mothers and large families on benefits.
07/12/2020 11:48:51 1 1
bbc
We won't be blaming anyone, the big earner for us, the CIty, has just had their 2nd extension to keep trading, the German auto-workers may blame Macron & the French . Read Euronews, Katya is useless, for how the French are likely to scupper any German made deal, & the Germans can't vote him out - so much for German voter 'Sovereignty' in the EU. ;-)
38
07/12/2020 10:36:02 414 166
bbc
When No Deal happens, the pound drops and FTSE 100 share prices go up.

Bozo's chums make a fortune.

Winners all round!!

Except for those who are not Bozo's chums!
166
07/12/2020 10:43:22 247 109
bbc
Start investing then if you think this is their plan.
240
07/12/2020 10:47:03 24 5
bbc
Why not buy a FTSE 100 tracker if you're that certain that's how it works?
744
07/12/2020 11:13:14 12 15
bbc
and Germany, it seems they want a deal 'at any cost' according to the French Ministers being quoted in Euronews, So it seems that's 3 things rejoiners claim were lies from leave that are actually true - mind you finding rejoin telling the truth is as rare as Hen's teeth.
930
07/12/2020 11:21:38 15 13
bbc
You don’t think that Starmer’s posh mates don’t have fingers in this as well?....... quite a few got PPE contracts.
954
07/12/2020 11:22:41 13 6
bbc
I do wish you people who can see into the future would supply me with next weekend's lottery numbers.
07/12/2020 12:10:39 1 5
bbc
Economics is not the all that matters in life.
How about LIFE?
07/12/2020 12:25:02 5 5
bbc
And the value of your pension would also rise significantly. Oh, sorry, you're probably "permanently unemployed" aren't you?
07/12/2020 12:29:54 2 4
bbc
That would be fantastic news for everyone who has a pension!

Which means pretty much everyone!
07/12/2020 13:28:38 1 1
bbc
I own shares and I am not one of Johnson's chums. Millions of people have a stake in the stock market via pension funds.
07/12/2020 13:29:20 0 3
bbc
the pound will drop and the FTSE too,,,,,,,,,noone will invest in a market that has restrictions imposed on it,,,,,,,,,,,,so wait and see,,if you have any savings wait for the no deal,,,,,,,,,,if there is a deal your shares will rise
07/12/2020 14:42:03 0 2
bbc
Since when have FTSE shares been exclusively owned by "Bojo and his chums"?

Perhaps your "Winners all round" point is, in fact, more appropriate.
07/12/2020 14:45:36 0 2
bbc
..except anyone who has a pension. And currency rates and stock markets don't automatically correlate. You really show yourself to be a left wing idiot, when you don't even understand the basics of what the stock market is.
07/12/2020 15:06:22 0 2
bbc
It is what the majority voted for in 2016.
07/12/2020 15:16:04 0 2
bbc
I thought that was going to happen the day after we voted leave.
07/12/2020 15:38:37 2 0
bbc
Tory stitch up - Mogg will double his offshore monies !!!!
07/12/2020 16:33:49 0 2
bbc
Best be chums with Bozo then..lol
07/12/2020 16:44:23 0 1
bbc
If the pound drops we get even more expensive imports and cheaper exports, that makes UK business more competative both around the world and here, creates more opportunity and more jobs.
The share price does what the share price does pretty much independent of any real thought anyhow.
gog
07/12/2020 17:05:25 0 0
bbc
Is the Liverpool Mayor one of the “chums”?
Jim
07/12/2020 18:16:12 0 0
bbc
What about anyone with a workplace pension or a child trust fund - you know, the one the Government gave to all new borns? I’m not a fan or friend of any politician but investing directly or indirectly in financial markets is not the sole preserve of politicians or their first order chums.
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07/12/2020 10:34:09 34 19
bbc
How can the EU be a dictatorship when Macron s can exercise his sovereign right of veto, as can every other member nation state?

Oh never mind.
39
07/12/2020 10:36:05 1 10
bbc
A veto is an EU rule, that is all.
109
07/12/2020 10:40:37 10 3
bbc
You're getting desperate now.
07/12/2020 12:42:16 2 0
bbc
Well done Keith, such insight.
29
07/12/2020 10:35:08 16 25
bbc
The sooner we walk away the better.
40
07/12/2020 10:36:15 7 8
bbc
gove panicking hahaha
41
07/12/2020 10:36:26 1104 422
bbc
Johnson promised that we would still have all the benefits of the SM and be able to live, work and study in Europe. He lied.

He must not be permitted to simply walk away with no accountability for the damage he has wrought on our U.K.
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07/12/2020 10:43:28 785 889
bbc
Actually, the EU said if you leave you will end up with a deal like Canada, and then when we actually left they said you cannot have a deal like Canada, we want you still to be tied to the EU. The EU are the ones that lied.
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07/12/2020 10:47:18 118 32
bbc
Of course he lied - he had to get the support of the people so that he could please his sponsors

Don't forget tha a lot of very wealthy people are making a huge amount out of Brexit

We will have to pay the price of delivering their wealth
482
07/12/2020 10:57:03 44 148
bbc
Your opinion is your own.

I never wanted a deal with the EU in the first place. I want this country changed and move totally away from PC Liberal politics.

If there are enough like me then that IS what will happen.
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OwO
07/12/2020 11:01:12 37 109
bbc
"Johnson promised that we would still have all the benefits of the SM and be able to live, work and study in Europe. He lied."

No he didn't, you can still do all of those things.
653
07/12/2020 11:02:19 7 32
bbc
Most people will still be able to live work and study in the EU. Unless of course there is something murky in their background that doesn't suit the criteria. Perhaps you could share with us why you wouldn't be able to live, work or study in the EU?
686
07/12/2020 11:10:30 8 40
bbc
According to Euronews, the French believe Johnson, they basically said the German's lied and want a deal 'at any cost' - and the French are threatening to veto any deal - which is exactly what Liam Fox in his often 'partially quoted' words in the Guardian said 'Only EU politics can stop what should be the easiest trade deal in history' - there is all he said, not just the bit rejoiners quote.
807
07/12/2020 11:15:54 5 2
bbc
The same should be said of David Cameron who thought he could shake the influence of UKIP & some parts of his party by holding a referendum For him it was opening up a can of worms yet he walks away with no accountability The benefits of the SM are dependant largely down to the EU & what they will allow us We lived, worked & studied in Europe long before the EU that is still possible EU to answer?
947
07/12/2020 11:22:31 5 9
bbc
As a Brit you can live work and study in America, you just have to fill in a form. It will be the same in the EU. Its hardly a problem, if you are suitable and able to do the job/course you will be able to move. Same as for Australia etc. today.
Even with a no deal we actually have many of the SM benefits, not least that we only have to meet an EU standard on exports to the EU, not DE, NL, FR etc
983
07/12/2020 11:23:59 3 13
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Tom, you have been a remoaner throughout. It is your precious EU that are putting totally unacceptable demands on their negotiating. They do not have carte blanch to fish Canadian or Japanese waters nor to tell the Japanese or Canadian government swhat they can and cant do. We are OUT of the EU, we are no longer required, or going to, obey them!
07/12/2020 11:29:24 2 7
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He has taken us to the promised land of sunlit uplands. Rejoice! (no i'm not being sarcastic)
07/12/2020 11:36:43 4 11
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What about the 45years of damage created by Heath taking us into the EEC? Did you hold him to account? Look at our manafacturing, or balance of payments, our debt, unemployment, standard of living, tax rate, affordability of housing, rich/poor balance... ALL indicators are worse than when we joined.
07/12/2020 11:40:37 2 1
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and Cameron
07/12/2020 11:45:24 4 3
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Not unusual for Boris,ask his ex wives,lovers ,MPs etc.Surprised Carrie wanted to get in tow with him.
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07/12/2020 10:35:08 16 25
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The sooner we walk away the better.
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07/12/2020 10:36:33 6 3
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I see the politically and economically illiterati are out in force again today.
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07/12/2020 10:36:40 23 19
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They polished the turd that is Brexit; it did not shine. They rolled it in glitter; it did not sparkle. They pointed out the wonderful aroma; it was a turd.
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07/12/2020 10:42:54 6 4
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But it's OUR turd!
07/12/2020 11:53:11 0 1
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Then the French discovered Germany said one thing and was doing another and so had a hissy fit. Question is, who is going to win that little spat, France or Germany?
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07/12/2020 10:32:32 178 70
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A deal is best for us all.
I'm sure we will get one that, in the end suits both sides.
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07/12/2020 10:36:49 27 15
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The best deal was remaining in the EU, the deal we get will make us poorer but at least its better than nothing (look at what brexit has made us resort to, begging for scraps)
07/12/2020 11:47:03 0 4
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Well the French are begging for sprats.
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07/12/2020 10:36:51 16 17
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I'm looking forwards to rejoining in a few years time
You could just apply for citizenship of an EU country and save yourself, and everyone else, the hassle. Go for it. I'm sure your mum will miss you. Removed
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07/12/2020 10:43:41 1 2
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An application will not be accepted from the UK in it's present form.
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07/12/2020 10:46:31 1 1
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No chance of that happening.
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07/12/2020 10:31:15 42 58
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If anyone is still in any doubt about it this last minute reversal of negotiations that were supposed to be made in ‘Good faith’ is proof that the EU and Macron are not our friends and want to harm the UK and be seen to harm the UK and this because we chose to be free of their dictatorship.

BREXIT = FREEDOM
MM
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07/12/2020 10:36:52 16 7
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If Brexit is freedom, then why has my freedom to live and work in 27 other countries been removed?
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07/12/2020 10:44:20 5 9
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Well you can still live and work in those 27 other countries, just like anyone is not a member of the EU
07/12/2020 13:55:17 0 1
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It hasnt. You just have to prove that is what you intend to do is all. Keep up..
07/12/2020 14:27:33 0 1
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No it hasn't, nothing has been confirmed yet. No deal is done in case that wasn't clear. Anyway we're just playing by the same rules the rest of world adopts. Not some club we have to pay billions to be part of.
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07/12/2020 10:35:44 1539 786
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The sad thing is, millions across the UK are so deep into the thinking of Farage, Johnson et al. that even if (let's be honest, WHEN) it is a complete failure, they'll just blame the EU, the "remoaners", the "mainstream media". Basically anything to avoid responsibility.
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07/12/2020 10:36:53 67 176
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tell that to the government.
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07/12/2020 10:42:31 124 15
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No point they don't listen
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07/12/2020 11:22:01 13 1
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What government.
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07/12/2020 10:35:06 8 10
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“The EU says that, without ongoing access to UK waters for its fleets, UK fishermen will no longer have special access to EU markets.”

The EU market is seen as more lucrative as the EU pay more for our fish than our local markets would. I’d say this would be a good deal, we get more money for our fish if we give some of them away (given we eat so few fish from our local catch).
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07/12/2020 10:36:58 5 6
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More lucrative, for who? Not for us.
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07/12/2020 10:49:37 2 3
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It is, the EU countries pay more for our fish so if we can continue selling our fish to them we would make a larger profit, which would help our fishermen more.

or do you want fishermen to be poorer?
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07/12/2020 10:34:50 17 24
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Remember the will of the people:

Leave with a deal: 52%
Remain: 48%
Leave without a deal: 0%
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07/12/2020 10:36:58 14 13
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Leave 52%
Remain 48% losers

An undefined Trade deal = WTO = 100%

The will of the people was to leave, with an undefined trade deal.

Loser: one who lost.
07/12/2020 11:42:33 1 4
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We were told we wouldn't leave the single market!
07/12/2020 14:00:25 1 1
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Whether you voted to leave, remain or abstained... you still lost. You lost all your EU rights and gained nothing in return.

Whether you win or lose economically remains to be seen, though by all expert accounts, it doesn't look positive at all.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me one tangible benefit of leaving. Sovereignty doesn't count: we always had that.
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07/12/2020 10:34:58 28 18
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Its worrying how responsibility and authority is left with the totally inept and useless buffoon Johnson. I would trust him to make a cup of tea. He'd lie about doing it.
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07/12/2020 10:36:59 4 6
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I wouldnt
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07/12/2020 10:37:02 742 359
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The damage and hatred stemming from that binary vote in June 2016 (oh so long ago) continues to rage.

Britain is already a pariah state, and generations shall pay the penalty for the rest of this century.
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07/12/2020 10:38:39 302 195
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Dead right
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07/12/2020 10:42:31 48 47
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Certainly a lot of remainers seem to hate democracy when they don't get what they want.
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07/12/2020 10:46:09 37 33
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Britain is NOT a pariah state. Have some faith in your country.
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07/12/2020 10:49:59 24 22
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Only among a rump of rejoiners occupying this HYS safe-space. Germany, so the French claim, seems to have accepted it and are looking for a deal 'at any cost' - so the French are threatening to veto - looks like you rejoiners should have read ALL of Liam Fox's words in the Guardian, not just cherry picked what suited, - it looking like he was right ;-)
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07/12/2020 10:48:48 25 30
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As a Leaver I have no idea what you are talking about .. Leaving is all about having a UK government which is accountable.

The "Excuse" of jobs, money or anything else is fales .. EU governance is by default Liberal Democrat - which gives Labour defacto premiereship.

THAT is what has got the goat of the Left. PS: 99% of all hatred is Left & Liberal - case in point the EU's need to punish the UK.
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07/12/2020 10:52:54 16 10
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The good thing is that whatever arrangements are reached now can be modified by further negotiations at any time.

They will be the subjects of competing manifestoes, e.g. "We'll apply to join the EEA"

People will hear far more about the European Union from now on than they ever did when the UK was a member.
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07/12/2020 10:55:32 10 8
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Only hatred is from remainers. Such negative people.
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07/12/2020 11:02:42 1 2
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You are talking about Rishi's massive COVID spend , yes?
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07/12/2020 11:12:28 12 5
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the Japanese, Canadians, Australians, Swiss...and most of the rest of the World, do not see us as a pariah state. But the ignorance of your comment does not surprise me.
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07/12/2020 11:20:59 6 6
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Can't accept a democratic vote? EU is just the place for you.
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07/12/2020 11:23:06 0 1
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I take it you wanted to stay?so now you continue to fan the flames of your ire &make a prediction you can never quantify The late Lord Sacks said politictians will argue their points &then they sit down to resolve a problem & that's when politics start this is no different the trouble with the Western World is that it no longer calls the tune even the US Projected share of world trade 2030 10% EU
07/12/2020 11:25:08 4 4
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Pariah state? That's why millions try to emigrate to the UK every year and why every country wants to trade with us, the fifth biggest economy in the world.
The shackles of the EU protectionist, corrupt racket are broken, time for an independent UK to prosper.
07/12/2020 11:32:30 6 4
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Hatred only in the minds of those that lost you mean? I'd be much more worried about 2 things for starters:
A) A hard core left, militant Marxist style Labour government in the UK
B) Actually still being in the EU with its plans for Federalism and creeping centralisation to Europe with individual states having gradually less power every few years.
Leaving has been a fantastic decision for the UK
07/12/2020 11:38:18 8 5
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No, we are NOT a pariah state in any way shape or form. We are free, about I trust to become more independent when the EU demands are rebuffed and we dont obey their rules. Thus from being a huge economy with a free hand and decision making we will become relevant in the world once more rather than a pimple on the backside of France&Germany.
07/12/2020 11:56:56 1 1
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I think we will be paying for Covid much longer
07/12/2020 11:57:22 4 4
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Better to pay and get back to being a normal country with full sovereignty, than be beholden to the miserable and controlling EU, for the rest of our lives.
07/12/2020 12:12:55 2 2
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This is our new Suez moment.
07/12/2020 12:24:54 1 2
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The hatred is still there, i can see it in your post.
07/12/2020 12:46:05 1 0
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That referendum in 2016 was a bluff from which no politician, on either side of the argument, ever seriously expected to see anything other than a Remain outcome.

But the outcome delivered by voters called their bluff.

A dangerous game that went very wrong for those who decided to play it.
07/12/2020 13:01:29 1 1
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I disagree. Pariah State ... I don't think so. Having lived and worked around the world for a few years, it's provided me with good perspective on how friends where I have lived view the UK (Outside looking in). I can say that we are actually a very respected country who give lot and are seen to do the right thing. That won't change - as it is who we are.
07/12/2020 13:08:27 0 1
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Any supporting info?
Nah, thought not.
07/12/2020 13:15:47 1 1
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There was no damage or division until the remain side decided to seek a reversal of a democratic decision. Rather similar to a certain US President attempting the same currently, wonder if he sought advice from Gina Miller.
07/12/2020 13:20:03 1 1
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Total rubbish. If you think we are a pariah state, emigrate.
07/12/2020 13:39:06 1 1
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I wonder how much of the "damage and hatred" came from Remain once it realised it had lost and then spent all its energies and money trying to overturn a democratic vote.
Perhaps that view of democracy is why Remain feels so comfortable in the undemocratic EU
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07/12/2020 10:37:15 415 208
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What an absolute farce...That on the tail end of the worst pandemic in over a 100 years we are even considering this economic fiasco.....Be careful what you wish for Brexiteers, because this "could" be the time that the UK is humbled once and for all, into leaving the arrogant imperialist attitude well into the past where it deserves to be
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07/12/2020 10:42:03 216 377
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There is no arrogant imperialistic attitude from the UK.
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Believe in your own country! Rule Britannia.
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07/12/2020 10:52:12 8 41
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The 1957, 68, and 79 influenza outbreaks were far more lethal than the present day cold virus. And in those days people died " of it" and not the manipulated " with it".
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07/12/2020 11:23:57 6 15
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True, you'd have thought the French would be less emotional (though rejoiners never have) & more logical. EU particularly Southern Europe has suffered so much from covid lockdown they need a deal, yet France wants to punish the UK (sounds just like a spoilt rejoiner) for leaving, which is fine, unless you are a German auto worker facing tariffs in 2 of your 3 best markets & punitive in US case.
07/12/2020 12:01:10 1 2
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Clarity... the worse pandemic financial impact for the last 100 years. In scientific terms its fairly standard
07/12/2020 12:09:40 3 10
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We can have Brexit, with COVID.
COVID will pass.
Then our lives can get back to normal, after almost 50yrs of trollop.
07/12/2020 12:10:53 5 9
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Remember it was Imperialist Britain that help liberate Europe & set the ball rolling for Europe to create the EU, ungrateful to the end are they not..
07/12/2020 12:34:28 1 2
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May be a good thing g then if it brings that about.
07/12/2020 12:43:25 1 2
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You sound like a complete failure.
07/12/2020 13:25:07 2 0
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Oh the arrogance of thinking we should be able to trade with the EU on the same terms as Papua New Guinea .......
07/12/2020 13:29:35 1 3
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Yawn, yawn.
07/12/2020 13:31:45 2 2
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that's the danger, as the British power myth is denegrated here, these nationalists will become more desperate, Trumpy and frothy- the step then will be for a rebuild of Hadrian's, with the Scots paying for it, coz the Scots ruined Brexit, or some such tosh
07/12/2020 13:41:10 1 3
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BY "arrogant" and "imperialist" do you mean the EU which is demanding that a non-Member, Sovereign nation submit to its laws for ever?
07/12/2020 14:16:36 1 3
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Watch the scramble when the UK informs NATO that UK forces will Never again defend any EU nation under Any circumstances.
07/12/2020 14:35:42 0 2
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Very dangerous to "humble" the nuclear power.
07/12/2020 14:47:00 3 0
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There is a good number of the English population that are not aware that their imperialist past is what made it a wealthy nation . It was built on the backs of slaves and nations resources that made up the former colonies. The Scots and Irish know all too well what the English Brexit types are like.
07/12/2020 16:08:05 2 0
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My son (as an embittered Remainer) says, re no deal - bring it on! Then, and only then, will the harsh reality of just what we've done start to dawn on the ignorant duped. And there will be a resultant overwhelming push back to eat humble pie and rejoin after all - if they'd even have us!

Used to think he was misguided. Now not so sure.
07/12/2020 16:55:43 0 1
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It is not an economic fiasco, the remain camp failed to show in a long referendum that things would not be better with Brexit. Thus they lost, repeating their claims without evidence and repeatedly calling people stupid doesnt improve their position.
We can and will be better off out of the EU. I would rather be humble than a slave, not we will be either!
07/12/2020 18:27:47 0 1
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The only arrogant imperialist attitude at the moment is that of Emanuel Macron - even the Germans are getting tired of him...
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07/12/2020 10:37:17 14 9
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I will be very surprised if we have get a deal now. The EU are playing political posturing. The UK are playing political posturing.

Meanwhile, business leaders are tearing their hair out in frustration.

Its a bit like two children arguing and the adults not being allowed to intervene.
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07/12/2020 10:39:51 12 14
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More like an adult EU trying to reason with a screaming toddler of the UK.
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07/12/2020 10:40:52 5 1
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All big negotiations come down to the last minute - I think I read that the Canadians were already in their taxis heading to the airport and were called back.
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07/12/2020 10:43:23 0 8
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Not quite: the EU are playing "negotiate from a position of strength", we're playing "negotiate from a position of weakness".
Lord Frost. Knighted for being utterly useless, even with 4 years to play with. Says it all. Removed
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The speaker didn't help either.
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07/12/2020 11:00:32 2 9
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But....but.....but he's a Lord...surely that should be enough.
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07/12/2020 11:07:52 18 3
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Except that the EU wouldn't allow us to negotiate the trade deal until we had agreed the withdrawal agreement. Plus we couldn't even get a parliamentary mandate for leaving the EU legislation until November 2019. Before the GE, we had two pro leaving parties (Tory-Labour) filled with rebel proEU MPs. Only after Labour unwisely moved away from backing leaving legislation did parliament get unlocked
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07/12/2020 11:17:11 22 5
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Complete tosh.

Lord Frost has been negotiating for just 9 months as initially Teresa May & Labour Party wouldn’t support exit, and then EU wouldn’t negotiate on trade until we left on 31st Jan 2020.

Facts before fiction....
07/12/2020 11:36:37 9 1
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If one is Knighted, one becomes a "Sir". Lord Frost has been enobled.
07/12/2020 12:08:09 6 2
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Most knighthoods are handed out, for that purpose, nowadays.
Like university degrees, life is dumbed down, to make everyone feel good about themselves and their abilities, even if they have none.
Thanks, Tony Blair.
07/12/2020 13:29:14 3 0
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A Lord isn't a knight
07/12/2020 13:41:53 3 1
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If he had been knighted, he would have been "Sir Frost". You can't even troll accurately!
07/12/2020 16:17:27 0 2
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... if that's your 'says it all', your fellow Remoaner traitors must be really embarrassed with you. Frost only came to the fore after traitor May had totally failed you Remoaners - she tried to fudge the whole thing to achieve BRINO ... and look what happened to her ...
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07/12/2020 10:37:32 2 6
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Soon this farce will be over, frankly I can't wait.
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07/12/2020 10:42:04 4 1
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No, no it won't be over soon. Deal or no deal, trade (and other) negotiations will rumble on for years - possibly decades.
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07/12/2020 10:47:02 1 1
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Sadly, no chance.
Still years of arguing about what bits of sovereignty we give up to get trade deals. Easier migration access for India, label-free imports of chemistry-laden US meat, keeping quiet on Chinese expansionism...
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07/12/2020 10:31:46 29 29
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Where does this 'new' Brexiter tactic of labelling everyone who disagrees with them or criticizes the Govt, as "not living in the UK" come from?

It has all the hallmarks of a 'Cunning Cummings Plan'!??
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07/12/2020 10:37:37 21 10
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Probably from the same camp that labels all those who voted for Brexit as "gammon", "uneducated", "racist", "deluded", etc. Hate-filled rhetoric from a group of people who consider themselves more important and more intelligent than "the plebs". Well, frankly, if that is their idea of being better educated, woke, realistic and worthy of being listened to, then that's just sad. They need help.
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07/12/2020 11:00:44 1 6
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Read the comments from Brexiters, all the anti migrant, anti foreigner, xenophobic, ones, before commenting! All the childish name calling, calling Remainers 'quislings', 'traitors', 'enemies of the people' & who should leave the UK, all because they believe Brexit is a national disgrace! There's only one of people who 'need help' & it isn't Remainers!??
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07/12/2020 10:35:31 714 370
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UK the only country to have a free trade agreement with the worlds largest trading block, to try and re-negotiate extra barriers and red tape!!!

BREXIT IS A NONSENSE - i cant wait to re-join.

Its not the EU who are at fault - its the law breakers in Govt to blame!!!
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07/12/2020 10:37:39 210 132
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Name one other trade deal with FoM.
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07/12/2020 10:42:57 88 50
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So we hit the crux of the Brexiteers argument------

You dont want outsiders in the UK!!

FoM has been shown to be not only essential, but a massive economic boost to the UK- FACT

All trade agreements are different, FoM was and still is a benefit to the UK.
Pull your head out the sand & try to understand the mess you have caused.
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07/12/2020 10:49:04 50 12
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EEA and EFTA - citizens of all 30 countries can live, study and work in any of the 30 countries
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07/12/2020 10:49:05 54 5
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Norway? Switzerland?
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07/12/2020 11:08:01 45 8
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When India was approached by UK for a trade deal they wanted FoM or something pretty close.
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07/12/2020 11:24:17 7 2
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Switzerland's with the EU.
07/12/2020 11:27:23 11 5
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Switzerland. The EEA countries outside the EU. Switzerland just voted to RETAIN it in a referendum.

You know absolutely nothing whatsoever and still demand that your lies are worthy of respect as an opinion.

Not even a nice try, grandad.
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07/12/2020 11:34:42 5 1
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Switzerland’s agreements with the EU.

And, actually it was not FoM that caused the problem it was rage exceptionally liberal way (far more liberal than e.g. France or Italy) that caused the problem. That assumes it was a problem.
07/12/2020 11:39:40 3 5
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Apparently Switzerland and Norway do. But because living there is so bl**dy expensive and there's not much similar to the NHS and the Welfare State nobody actually goes there except for holidays!
07/12/2020 11:44:42 8 4
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You prefer our new immigration policy of only allowing highly educated foreigners into the country so the British people have only the menial, low paid jobs?
07/12/2020 12:29:34 5 1
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Yes that was another benefit we threw away for no good reason.
07/12/2020 12:54:13 7 1
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We are currently negotiating one with india which will require greater availability of visas, but the brexiteers want to keep that one quiet.

https://www.ft.com/content/56074dda-95bd-11e9-8cfb-30c211dcd229
07/12/2020 13:00:22 2 0
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Norway’s and Switzerland’s trade deals with the EU.
07/12/2020 13:05:04 2 0
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The Economic Community of West African States.

You're welcome.
07/12/2020 13:07:13 4 0
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Why is FoM such an issue for you? Simply because you had no ambition to use your FoM rights and go and live and work in another EU state should not mean that you should prevent others from doing so. That is selfish.
07/12/2020 13:27:09 1 0
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ps Norway Switzerland your problem with FOM is? been a huge success both sides
07/12/2020 14:05:26 1 0
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All of them. All trade deals require movement of people to conduct trade. Its the norm and always has been.
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07/12/2020 10:37:49 303 157
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The PM lied, its that simple. Stop blaming the EU, that's what the tories want you to do. And stop this mad gicis on fishing, it's a minor fraction of what we'll lose come 1.1.21

Just remember the oven ready deal sold to us a year ago.. more like the ingredients haven't even been produced yet let alone mixed or even remotely ready for baking!!
It'd be funny if it wasnt so serious.
That comment is fine, always assuming that you don't live in a fishing community (yes there are still some) and have seen your business destroyed by the CFP and EU fleets for decades. So please go swivel! Removed
07/12/2020 11:25:15 27 5
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Blaming the EU for issues over which the UK government had not actually lost sovereignty has been par for the course for successive UK governments and particular newspapers for years when, in fact, the UK simply hasn't used powers available to it. The public has been conditioned to blame the EU.

I wonder who those who blame the EU for all ills will blame when they can no longer blame the EU....
OwO
07/12/2020 11:35:16 3 34
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He didn't lie, you just didn't understand the statements. "Oven ready" does not mean a deal will be made immediately, how hard is that to grasp?
07/12/2020 11:32:40 4 6
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hmmm, is it not the French who are concerned about that "minor fraction" who are having a hissy fit.
07/12/2020 12:13:45 8 25
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Stop blaming anyone.
Who cares who is to blame.
Lets just get out of the club and enjoy life again.
07/12/2020 13:27:22 0 4
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Name us one other organisation and/or Country that sought/seeks to have majority access to resources within anothers jurisdiction.
07/12/2020 13:35:02 1 4
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You talk rubbish, it's that simple. Try finding out what the phrase'oven-ready deal' actually referred to.
07/12/2020 15:07:49 1 8
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No he didnt. That oven ready deal has already been delivered.
07/12/2020 15:20:40 0 3
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tusk said we'd be able to get a canada style deal, subsequently this offer was retracted. sounds like tusk turned the oven off?
07/12/2020 16:28:25 0 1
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Please don't come down to Cornwall and make comments like that.
07/12/2020 17:12:10 0 0
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The oven ready deal was for the transition period, NOT the trade deal. The EU refused to even talk about that until the deal for the transition period was agreed.
07/12/2020 18:12:35 0 0
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BoJo said a deal should be simple, it should be, but we need trade balanced, we need to to obey their rules and they are trying to put us over a pork barrel and we should walk away just as Canada and Japan would have under similar circumstances. They didnt ask the same of them and they cant have it from us.
Not reasonable behaviour from them. We are an independent country.
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07/12/2020 10:37:58 22 10
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Glad that this 'oven ready', 'easiest deal in history' was sorted ages ago and has given people plenty of time to prepare....Oh wait....
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07/12/2020 10:39:51 8 16
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it was the WA that was oven ready.
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07/12/2020 10:37:59 1013 84
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Even under a no deal WTO UK products will have to meet eu standards if they don't they will not be allowed past customs checks

This is the same for all countries exporting to eu
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07/12/2020 10:39:27 763 144
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And the same for the EU selling products to the UK and meeting UK standards.
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07/12/2020 10:40:23 89 30
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And EU goods coming to the UK would have to meet our standards, it works both ways.
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07/12/2020 10:42:40 129 47
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This is the same for every country in the world ... nobody is going to buy anything that can't satisfy its own internal standards.

Surprisingly even the EU has to enure that its export products conform to the standards of the country importing them.

But thanks for implying that only the UK has to meet this criteria.
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07/12/2020 10:50:02 117 99
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Our standards are already high, probably much higher than most of the EU's. There was nothing wrong with our 'Kite mark' BSI.
Same for everyone in the world. Which is why that argument in the referendum was false .. products are made to market NOT institutionalised.

And Remoaners call others names .. I won't put one on because the BBC will get rid of my comment and not yours. Another symptom of Left wing hatred.
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07/12/2020 10:53:15 93 102
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Which just goes to prove that the UK will not downgrade it owns standerds
It already knows that to trade it must reach certain standerds
It is all you doom mongers saying the UK will downgrade
Have you ever thought that maybe OUR standerds might be better than theres?

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07/12/2020 10:53:34 97 37
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That's true. But under WTO tariffs will be applied to some goods, which will immediately make some of our industries uncompetitive. Prices of some goods in this country will go up (including some food), and our exports will go down. Which will cost jobs.

We won't be able to make up the difference by exporting elsewhere, because out of the EU that's more difficult due to lack of trade deals.
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07/12/2020 10:54:06 25 3
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That goes without saying and no one anywhere has suggested it would ever be otherwise.
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07/12/2020 10:58:49 10 9
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"This is the same for all countries exporting to eu" except China. they believe it is just a "CE" sticker i think.
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07/12/2020 10:53:54 8 18
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It is the same for all exports. They have to conform to local regulations. But it doesn't mean we should be forced to make everything to suit the EU. So we won't.
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07/12/2020 11:08:23 3 8
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True, if you want to trade with any country you have to meet that countries standards the problem is who arbitrates in areas of dispute WTO or the ECofJ it's a no brainer but tell that to the EU
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07/12/2020 11:10:04 8 19
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However, the UK Government will have the freedom to support UK workers however it sees fit.

The COVID furlough scheme and other business support might not have been possible under the 'level playing field' arrangements the EU are asking for.

It is one thing requiring that products supplied to the EU are not subsidised, it is another letting the EU set our laws.
897
07/12/2020 11:20:19 12 5
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So? We meet standards for China, America, Australia etc etc when exporting to them, they are different standards (e.g. voltage for USA and bumper height on cars etc). This is something we do TODAY, have done for the last 100 or so years. It is NOT a problem to make some stuff to EU standards, some to UK standards (decent mains plugs for example) and US standards. We do it TODAY!!!!!
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07/12/2020 11:21:13 4 6
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Name one EU standard that the UK don't meet or easily surpass? So you actually think China, India, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Africa meet EU standards on worker's safety, modern day slavery and human rights?
07/12/2020 11:31:36 3 10
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Yes we will have to meet the EU's poor standards....
07/12/2020 11:42:17 5 4
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No one disagrees with that, if you export to any overseas market you need to comply with their standards. The trouble is that the EU are demanding a say in UK domestic standards and laws on employment, environment etc.
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07/12/2020 10:38:08 1166 376
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Sums up Johnson's life.

Promise everything.
Deliver nothing.
Blame someone else.
Sounds exactly like the odious SNP. Removed
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07/12/2020 10:59:34 25 9
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No thats politicians full stop!
07/12/2020 11:52:02 5 6
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No different to the rest then.
07/12/2020 11:55:53 7 11
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Yep - but that could be any politician.
In general, they are born liars.
07/12/2020 11:50:49 42 5
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He just wanted to be Prime Minister.
07/12/2020 11:59:53 37 10
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Delivering nothing was what Boris intended all along in this situation. He had absolutely no plan to deliver a deal, and has clearly wanted a hard exit all along to help line the pockets of his masters.

The lies about "over-ready deals" etc were just lip-service spouted to placate the more moderate Brexiteers, as well not antagonizing the Remainers any more than necessary.
07/12/2020 12:07:20 9 19
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Excuse me but he delivered a lot when Mayor of London, same can't be said of Mr Khan. Boris delivered the result of the referendum and we have left the EU. Boris will not give in to the EU and if he delivers a no deal, it will please a lot. Words of Mrs May, no deal is better than a bad deal
07/12/2020 12:40:38 0 7
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You speak like a child.
07/12/2020 12:42:57 0 1
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Could be any politician.
Edj
07/12/2020 12:57:21 1 4
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same old clap trap.... 80 majority, ohhhh looool
07/12/2020 13:11:44 0 6
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'Yawn' sums up your post.
07/12/2020 13:18:45 1 2
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It’s not just him, the whole political class do it! Just watch the EU dishing out the blame in a few weeks time.
mja
07/12/2020 13:58:59 4 0
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You forgot to add, get sacked for incompetence or Lying
07/12/2020 14:31:32 0 2
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The EU are asking for concessions that have not been accepted in any non-EU trade deal anywhere in the world and for rights to UK natural resources. Based on comparisons with objective benchmarks, the EU has caused the current issues. Although maybe Boris should have seen how unreasonable they would be. Not sure an unreasonable EU is grounds for attacking Brexit.
07/12/2020 14:34:13 1 3
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And if we look at what the UK Government is actually delivering where free from EU rules we see improvements in animal welfare through the ban on the shameful live export of animals, a switch to biodiversity and land management rather than industrial farming through reform of the CAP and a strategic reappraisal of the Green Book Treasury investment rules that will enable levelling up.
07/12/2020 14:41:49 0 1
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Just like You
07/12/2020 15:21:50 0 0
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It's all in his book, "The Art Of The Sulk"
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07/12/2020 10:38:13 51 32
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How can anyone still support Brexit?

Seriously – what are you hoping to gain from it? What are the net benefits?

What problems will it solve?
07/12/2020 11:23:13 7 14
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try and keep up!
07/12/2020 11:55:37 5 1
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Don't look for logic where this is none. People voted for Trump/Brexit for purely emotional reasons. And they can't say what those reasons are out loud - we know why.
07/12/2020 12:09:42 4 7
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Billions paid to EU each year for a huge trade deficit and barriers to stop us trading well outside EU. Germany and France have all the power in the EU, we were a side show. The transition may be painful, but in the long term we will be free from this broken intuition. After Covid, the west will no longer be strong we need to trade more with the East.
OwO
07/12/2020 12:20:15 5 5
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Why would you ever want to be part of the EU?

They'll boost your GDP a bit while running roughshod over your own laws, is unable to even agree on a coronavirus relief plan and harbours the 2 biggest countries facilitating Amazon, Google etc barely paying any tax.

You need to make the case *for* that corrupt, imploding institution.
07/12/2020 14:13:25 2 1
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wont have to support two massive EU buildings for starters where one only gets used once a month
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07/12/2020 10:38:16 99 40
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All the Brexiteers you are about to get what you wanted. It's YOUR show and YOU own it no blaming France, Germany or COVID. I don't know which comedian said this but you can include me out.
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07/12/2020 10:45:06 48 21
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Spot on.
07/12/2020 11:14:23 0 0
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"All the Brexiteers you are about to get what you wanted".

Finally. Now pipe up and get back to work.
07/12/2020 12:53:03 1 0
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....I can't wait to leave, and no deal is fine by me....
07/12/2020 16:31:30 0 0
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... when did you not realise that the EU is Germany and France ...
07/12/2020 18:49:08 1 2
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Remember to thank us in a few years when the EU implodes and we are sitting pretty warming our hands on the flames
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07/12/2020 10:34:50 17 24
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Remember the will of the people:

Leave with a deal: 52%
Remain: 48%
Leave without a deal: 0%
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07/12/2020 10:38:19 6 7
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Wrong. It was leave or remain, regardless of how we left. Stop rewriting history to suit your agenda.
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07/12/2020 10:45:47 5 5
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You’re wrong. It was clearly promised that there would be a deal.

“No deal” was never put to the vote.
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07/12/2020 10:38:23 14 12
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If Bojo fails to deliver on the Brexit promises *he* made in the 2019 GE, he will LOSE the next one.

Two thirds of lifelong RED supporters who backed Boris on getting a Brexit deal are promising to switch back to labour if he betrays Britain on fishing and other key issues.

The tories will NEVER get that red wall back again, and it's all about bungling Brexit and COVID. Bye bye Boris the fraud.
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07/12/2020 10:45:07 8 3
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I think you live in misplaced hope. It's 4 years to the next election, by which time Brexit will be long established. It's up to the Labour Party to win the red wall back. Unless they shift markedly to the centre and demonstrate at least a vague understanding of how the economy works, they'll be out of power for a long long time.
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07/12/2020 11:08:41 1 0
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Behave! I know people who voted Tory in the North, life long Labour voters, they have seen the Tories lie about leveling up, Noryhern Powerhouse and now kick key workers in the teeth, and the STILL think they are ok, cos they STILL think Brexit will make the UK great again.

Sell em a hat with a slogan on it and they will be JUST like the MAGA Trump cult.
Just withiut the guns...
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07/12/2020 10:32:32 178 70
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A deal is best for us all.
I'm sure we will get one that, in the end suits both sides.
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dan
07/12/2020 10:38:24 25 10
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Unfortunately Tess, when you enter into trade negotiations with a group who's combined economic size is vastly larger than yours, you get bullied. No amount of flag waving and hyperbole will change that.
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07/12/2020 10:41:25 6 10
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But have we tried telling germany that if it wasn't for us in world war 2 that they'd all be speaking german now /s
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07/12/2020 10:48:03 12 8
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I'm surprised that the Brexit supporters didn't realise that.
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OwO
07/12/2020 10:59:50 4 14
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Funny, the EU has promised an "equal playing field".

Finally, one of you lot admits they're just lying bullies. Why would you want to be part of that club?
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07/12/2020 10:32:23 31 37
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The EU have never negotiated in good faith.
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07/12/2020 10:38:31 16 14
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says who, a government that unlawfully prorogues parliament and is ready to break international law?
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07/12/2020 10:38:32 21 10
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Thank God I moved to Denmark.
Carry on.
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OwO
07/12/2020 11:17:06 1 1
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Good riddance.
07/12/2020 11:45:19 1 0
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yes, thank god you did
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07/12/2020 10:31:15 42 58
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If anyone is still in any doubt about it this last minute reversal of negotiations that were supposed to be made in ‘Good faith’ is proof that the EU and Macron are not our friends and want to harm the UK and be seen to harm the UK and this because we chose to be free of their dictatorship.

BREXIT = FREEDOM
MM
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07/12/2020 10:38:36 13 7
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Your equation makes as little sense as your submission. The EU don;t need to try and harm the UK we are doing that superbly well unaided.
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07/12/2020 10:38:37 9 7
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Please, please, please, give those who are still Brexiteers exactly what they "knew they were voting for" otherwise they will still be blaming everybody but themselves until Kingdom Come. Sick of it.
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07/12/2020 10:44:23 3 2
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They will find someone else to blame whatever happens. Cowards, every one of them.
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07/12/2020 10:37:02 742 359
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The damage and hatred stemming from that binary vote in June 2016 (oh so long ago) continues to rage.

Britain is already a pariah state, and generations shall pay the penalty for the rest of this century.
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07/12/2020 10:38:39 302 195
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Dead right
07/12/2020 11:40:38 5 5
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I remember rather more hatred and derision spewing from remainers... how many remainers routinely refer to those of free mind and spirit as stupid & liars etc, still bleating that Johnson is doing wrong while believing that outsiders are doing nothing wrong. The honest truth is that the EU are making unreasonable demands and the only thing I see wrong is Johnson appeasing remainers by talking.
07/12/2020 11:58:11 2 2
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Dear wrong.
Yes, we can all make pointless comments.
MT
07/12/2020 13:04:56 1 2
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The only hatred I witness is that of the EU in trying to exact terms and conditions that usurp sovereignty from the UK, which they KNOW was subject to not only a ballot, but then a General Election where the mandate to regain sovereignty was again demonstrated. The EU here are the problem. They don't want a trade deal, they want to effectively dictate what a sovereign nation can and cannot do.
07/12/2020 13:20:21 1 2
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Brain-dead wrong.
07/12/2020 13:52:49 1 1
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Just dead
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07/12/2020 10:38:48 3 8
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We've got them right where we want them!
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07/12/2020 10:32:29 5 13
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the Eu are just being petulant - dump the chumps!

they needs our high tech, security and finance more than we need their fancy cars, wine and chees
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07/12/2020 10:43:11 2 2
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we need their jobs
07/12/2020 13:24:50 0 0
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our finance sector will steadily drift away … over billion gone already to Holland and Germany, and the USA will pull away soon
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07/12/2020 10:34:32 7 9
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There's two things in this life I hate. People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures....and the French!
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07/12/2020 10:38:49 9 7
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whats to stop the EU signing a deal and then reneging on it like johnson?
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07/12/2020 10:41:03 5 4
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Nothing. It is called withdrawal from a deal and the other party does the same. There must be a right to cancel an agreement.
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07/12/2020 10:42:46 3 2
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Oh like VW's compliance with emissions regulations where the EU has done nothing to counter this huge environmental disaster
07/12/2020 11:56:01 0 0
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German auto-workers.
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07/12/2020 10:31:38 42 39
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So to summarise the position.

The EU would like to ensure standards of production and workers rights are maintained inline with EU progression.

The Tories would like to enable a race to the bottom ensuring we can set out own standards, slash costs and worker rights without penalty and then price dump into the EU single market.

Shouldn't be too hard to bridge that gap.
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07/12/2020 10:34:37 16 18
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'workers rights' have to paid for and guess who pays??

that's right us the workers pay thru excessive taxation - we would rather have our money then Eu socialism thanks.
07/12/2020 11:47:23 3 2
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Moronic. Workers rights include getting paid a fair wage and doing fair hours. And how are the 'workers rights' paid for? Through single market rules insuring a level playing field and fair competition in the market allowing business to set a fair price which includes the cost of doing business. Not by taxation.
07/12/2020 13:12:32 3 1
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yes, stuff workers rights!
who needs em?
We re British!
Our upper lips are stiff and our pensioners are poor
We know our place!
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07/12/2020 10:35:35 11 14
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Anyone who thinks the EU is a beacon of liberal solidarity needs to look at how they have treated some of its smaller members in recent years. We are leaving a monolithic bureaucracy and should all be very happy.
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07/12/2020 10:43:18 5 4
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Be happy if you want to, in Quitterworld. We are running away from our partners, in pursuit of some sterile, faded vision of the past. I'm ashamed and angry, nothing whatsoever to be happy about.
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07/12/2020 10:34:05 480 181
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What happened to the oven ready deal? Oh that's right, the Tories lied to us.

To he only things that were oven ready were the COVID contracts they gave to their mates and donors.
Oven ready referred to the WA not the FTA.
Do your homework troll.
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07/12/2020 10:45:04 82 13
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On more than 100 occasions when asked during the election campaign about a Trade Deal the leader of the Conservatives and many of this party said they had 'an oven ready deal'.
They said this any time they were asked about ANY deal whether WA or FTA.

This information is readily available on many election watchdog sites.

There, homework done.

You probably will not agree though.
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07/12/2020 10:48:38 54 11
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yes - we can see the tories back peddaling like mad about the things they said previously
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07/12/2020 10:54:51 55 11
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You can keep saying that over & over but you know full-well that the implication was that we would have a full trade deal with the EU in record time that would be to our benefit. "the easiest deal in history" that could be sorted "in an afternoon over a cup of tea"

The Tories sold the gullible a lie. An impossible deal to have all the benefits of being in the EU with no downsides

Don't defend it
718
07/12/2020 11:11:59 37 5
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But Boris broke the oven ready deal with the internal market act which reneges on the WA.
The same WA that Boris is threatening to break, and in the process break international law? Does that sound like oven ready to you Tracey the factless troll?
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VoR
07/12/2020 11:21:12 9 5
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The WA that he is taking steps towards reneging on? Clearly wasn't oven ready.
ds
07/12/2020 11:25:34 7 5
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Oh yes, the easiest deal in history. And we have a government so corrupt and incompetent that it can't even be bothered to try negotiating.
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07/12/2020 11:32:57 6 3
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"Oven ready referred to the WA not the FTA."

If only you knew what those acronyms meant, "Test Tracey".

You're not having THAT one.

The Withdrawal Agreement is the thing the Tories have been trying to blow up. The FTA never existed. This is exactly what Remainers told you a year ago (if you even exist). Since you can't even remember last weeks lies never mind 2016 it must be so hard to keep up
07/12/2020 11:36:55 3 3
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Simply not true.
07/12/2020 11:48:59 4 2
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The WA that we're about to pass legislstion to break the terms of?

The "oven ready deal" referred to the deal that would be a simple stroll in the park following the brilliance of the WA. So brilliant it didnt even need parliamentary scrutiny.
07/12/2020 11:55:27 4 3
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Yes it did refer to the WA. Now within less than a year the government is proposing to break some of the terms in it. Is that what "oven-ready" means?
07/12/2020 12:03:49 5 2
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If the WA was oven ready, why are we set to break it, less than a year from signing?
07/12/2020 12:04:00 2 2
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No. Cleverly made that claim but Boris Johnson used the term Deal more than 10 times in the GE campaign
Cleverly was trying to mislead
07/12/2020 12:12:47 0 4
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You are very rude.
07/12/2020 12:19:43 3 1
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But the use of the word "deal" was deliberate in order to confuse and brain-wash the general public.
07/12/2020 12:21:32 2 1
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no it did not... just stop
07/12/2020 12:23:01 4 1
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They already reneged on the WA because they said it was a terrible deal and we would have to break international law. That doesn't sound "oven ready", that sounds like they didn't even read it before selling it to us.
07/12/2020 12:41:41 2 1
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You only know because Cleverly told you so.
Ian
07/12/2020 12:38:49 4 1
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And what happened to the withdrawl agreement? Boris is now trying to rip it up. Hardly oven ready was it if he now needs to go back on his word and change it. Do YOUR homework!
07/12/2020 13:06:55 4 1
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Indeed it was the WA, the one he's now breaking both his word and international law on
Gio
07/12/2020 13:10:24 2 1
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Proof?
07/12/2020 13:11:52 3 1
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The one that Johnson signed, said was a good deal and had all the nodding donkeys agreeing...only to say this year that it was a bad deal and we need to tear it up...nodding donkeys in agreement. It's like you really think people don't remember 2019.
07/12/2020 13:13:48 3 1
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Stop revising history. Tory HQ has a lot to answer for.
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07/12/2020 10:38:54 5 6
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Why both? Same red lines. Same French veto? No one wants to be accused of walking away. Simply let the clock run down, and resume talks on 2nd Jan 2021
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07/12/2020 10:42:40 1 0
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not without a wa in place
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07/12/2020 10:31:55 48 40
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At the end of the day all the UK wants is a normal, open and friendly trading arrangement.

If all that is preventing this is the EU's overt concern that other countries will leave, clearly shows that the EU is a flawed model and quite frankly that is their problem.
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07/12/2020 10:38:57 6 7
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Untrue. The UK is demanding access to the EU while simultaneously demanding that the EU allow it to ignore all the rules associated with that access.
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07/12/2020 10:53:56 4 4
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Not sure you are correct, it is the EU that is demanding that the UK adhere to EU regulations but the EU can deviate if it needs to at any time.

Not a very fair nor level playing field, would you agree?
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07/12/2020 10:39:00 19 12
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The EU seems to think they would always have the higher standards, yet they are currently taking the UK to court because we introduced more stringent rules on the importation of certain live plants and trees. Our animal health rules are already stronger than most of the EU, emissions rules likely to go the same way, yet they worry we will have the advantage, total hypocracy
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07/12/2020 10:39:01 810 324
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I look back at all the videos of Farage in the EU parliament after the referendum. Videos of him thinking we were somehow punishing the EU and they would fall into line. I look back and weep at the idiots who actually believed him.
Don't you people who believed the lies now feel like total chumps? Because it's what you are.
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07/12/2020 10:53:27 470 142
bbc
The idea that only the British care about being an independent country is widespread among Brexiteers, yet it is utterly ludicrous. Do they really have such little empathy to think the Irish, who fought to kick out their oppressors, the British, would give away their sovereignty? The Finns, who freed themselves from Russia? The Warsaw Pact countries whose independence came just a few decades ago?
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07/12/2020 10:57:54 35 70
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Luckily, yours is a minority opinion. The clued up majority want to leave the corrupt EU project.
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07/12/2020 10:55:54 28 56
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Some people were damaged by the EU, some beyond repair.

Just so happens more people were damaged than those who gained .. for example most of our coastal towns destroyed by EU fisheries policy.

Shame you have no empathy for others and think your bubble is all that exists.
07/12/2020 11:34:57 18 33
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I look back and think he nailed it in the EU Parliament and they didn't like the honesty he was speaking. Dont get me wrong, he's a muppet in many ways, but he had their card marked just right.
07/12/2020 11:42:24 13 31
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Hardly, the EU has two choices, stop trying to control us - we have left, we are free and independent - and negotiate free access to the single biggest export market they have OR to pay tariffs when there is no deal. For the UK we benefit, first we can charge higher tariffs on all our imports than the EU (we arent bound by previous numbers) AND we have a trade deficit with the EU we can reduce.
07/12/2020 11:43:55 6 11
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After all the remainers argue that if we have to pay 10% tariffs when we export cars it will reduce the number we sell to the EU. Equally in that case if the EU has to pay 10% (or preferably a huge amount more) then they will sell less here. Now given they sell many times more cars to us than they buy then net that works in favour of UK based manufacturers. (even if Jap/Indian owned).
07/12/2020 11:45:22 4 10
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Remember when we joined how quickly Vauxhall closed and reduced design and manufacturign in the UK because they could bring cheaper stuff from europe? See where JLR is building the new defender because it can bring it back to the UK tariff free (and incidentally the iPace). Look at the over 50% of minis sold in the UK are imported from Austria. We NEED to slow these imports and tariffs do that!
07/12/2020 11:52:00 5 13
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No, because if you read Euronews you'll discover the French have just had a hissy fit over the Germans trying to do exactly what Farage predicted, and so they are doing exactly what Fox predicted, so it seems leavers are always right ;-)
07/12/2020 12:01:09 2 10
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People didn't all fall for lies.
Some people want our sovereignty back.
And that is what we will get, if we cut our lies, properly.
07/12/2020 12:59:06 1 1
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I don't. You can see how many below average IQ's there are in this country. They deserve all they get.
07/12/2020 13:07:21 1 3
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Truth be told, ah, the insults, how inspirational.
You will detest the situation if the UK does well?

Why do you think they insist on the level playing field?
07/12/2020 13:16:44 2 4
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Another ranting Remainer who thinks that 17.4 million people are all chumps and idiots. It must be frustrating for you to be so much more intelligent than everyone else.
07/12/2020 13:27:37 2 2
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Sad to think that all you’ve got in life is watching Farage in 4 year old videos, think you need to get out more
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07/12/2020 10:35:02 8 22
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Too many Brexiter statements with "I'm not a raciat, but......"??
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07/12/2020 10:39:03 5 5
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Bigoted remark dude.
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07/12/2020 11:02:08 2 2
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Nope, just honest based on many conversations with people I know! Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative!??
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07/12/2020 10:35:28 15 20
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It seems remainers would accept any deal, however bad it was.

Would it accept a trade deal were UK ad to abide by all EU rules and pay £1billion a day to the EU?

At what stage would a remainer accept it is better to walk away?
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07/12/2020 10:39:09 5 7
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Gold in the Pathetic Olympics!

We had a much much better deal than the one you're talking about. At what stage your lot is going to accept it?
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07/12/2020 10:34:57 23 20
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So we have quickly managed to establish Free Trade agreements with Japan, Canada and Switzerland (because we're reasonable) yet the EU won't even offer us the same deal they've given to Canada... this was always going to be a punishment beating
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07/12/2020 10:39:10 6 10
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Its called Power. The EU has it all and little Ingerland has none. However all those still stuck in 1945 think we have.
07/12/2020 12:00:18 2 2
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LOL but who in the EU has more, Germany, who the French have accused of lying and wanting a deal 'at any cost' or the French, who say they'll veto any such deal. So much for the united 27 hey? ;-)
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07/12/2020 10:32:23 31 37
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The EU have never negotiated in good faith.
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07/12/2020 10:39:15 3 4
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There's no evidence for that.

On the other hand, Bojo wants to break international law.
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07/12/2020 10:39:19 6 12
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What is going on? The UK has left the EU. Why are they trying to rejoin through the back door with a deal?
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07/12/2020 10:41:36 6 1
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Come out of your cave.
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07/12/2020 10:42:16 2 0
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nonsense the doors firmly shut
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07/12/2020 10:32:01 1075 507
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How did a modern, first-world country find itself in such a ridiculous mess, verging on the brink of economic self-harm in pursuit of sovereignty which it never lost?

Oh I remember now, Bojo lied so he could fulfil his selfish ambition of becoming PM at all cost. Common sense doesn’t come into it.
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07/12/2020 10:39:22 627 297
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Yup, people bought into Boris' and Farages power grab that now (to quote lady Macbeth) "I am in bloodStepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er."

I'd like to think most brexiteers realise the mistake they've made but they've gone so far that to admit they were wrong will make them look too foolish so they double down