Brexit: UK-EU trade talks continue as 'sticking points' remain
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EU sources say the two sides are nearing an agreement on access to UK waters by EU fishing fleets.
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As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
There is no guarantee of sovereignty in the chaos of no deal...
It's be job done. Indeed.
It's be sad that people can have opinions and be able to vote.
It's be sad that people can have opinions and be able to vote.
What a stupid statement . We’ve never lost sovereignty - we are a parliamentary democracy ffs. Just jingoistic xenophobic nonsense you usually spout
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We have already given some of that up with our trade deal with Japan.
Sovereignty is utterly meaningless in the today's global market. It's a concept which became irrelevant a hundred years ago.
keep dreaming, what you want finished with Henry 8th............
"As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done."
The operation was a success. It was just unfortunate that the patient died.
The operation was a success. It was just unfortunate that the patient died.
How negotiating usually works:
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
Then, of course, the final step, whatever the outcome:
• Watch people suffer the consequences from the comfort and safety of your mansion with the sort of detachment that is only possible for people who've never experienced a day's hardship in their entire life.
• Watch people suffer the consequences from the comfort and safety of your mansion with the sort of detachment that is only possible for people who've never experienced a day's hardship in their entire life.
Don’t think it is even as planned as you make out. He is a clown.
One thing wrong Johnson DIDN'T renege on a "past deal" he is trying to destroy an international treaty Apart from the spoons crowd no one will let him
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As popular as it is to knock people, it seems highly unlikely that he reached his current position without understanding people and negotiation.
Ah but at least he "got brexit done' and we 'regained our sovereignty' that we never lost.
The German car makers are bricking it... Not
The German car makers are bricking it... Not
You forgot
• Siphon off public cash for yourself and your mates
• Siphon off public cash for yourself and your mates
You lack critical appraisal.
You missed out the fact the present EU treaty allows for countries to exit. But in bad faith, the EU have done everything possible to prevent the UK from leaving. First they claimed it would force a border in Ireland. Now they are saying “you can only trade with us in future if we can continue to help ourselves to your natural resources without proper compensation”.
You missed out the fact the present EU treaty allows for countries to exit. But in bad faith, the EU have done everything possible to prevent the UK from leaving. First they claimed it would force a border in Ireland. Now they are saying “you can only trade with us in future if we can continue to help ourselves to your natural resources without proper compensation”.
How commentators work:
- Make well thought out comments on things they actually know about.
How HYS people like you work:
- Make crude, uneducated comments.
- Use jingoistic phrases to dog-whistle supporters.
- Whine and whinge at everything without making any constructive comments.
- Make well thought out comments on things they actually know about.
How HYS people like you work:
- Make crude, uneducated comments.
- Use jingoistic phrases to dog-whistle supporters.
- Whine and whinge at everything without making any constructive comments.
Yes, we should have simply conceded everything at the start, and then there would have been no friction. A brilliant post.
Boris who sat on the fence at first for Brexit,then due to Mrs Mays inefecie,ncies found his chance to be PM and with the help of Mr Corbyn and a gang right wing labour MPs and daily mail rags ceaseless anti labour party portrayal.What the EU is thinking is Boris reneging in the future and his lies and deceit to his wife,family lovers etc makes him not to be trusted.
Leaving the EU was always going to be difficult as they it threatens their aspirations. They want to increase membership, not reduce it. I’m not surprised we are staring at a no deal outcome as they were never going to respect our sovereignty.
You're not a remainer who can't stand the fact that we are leaving are you?
Of course there hasn't been any posturing by the EU has there.
As was so eloquently stated yesterday, the EU don't negotiate , they dictate.
Of course there hasn't been any posturing by the EU has there.
As was so eloquently stated yesterday, the EU don't negotiate , they dictate.
Don't forget the EU process.
a. Ignore requirements of Art 50 TFEU re negotiating subsequent relationship alongside withdrawal of exiting state.
b. Refuse to discuss legal texts until less than 60 days to go
c. Refuse to treat other party as independent sovereign state
d. Ignore fact that under WTO rules there are already 'level playing field' regs
But Remainers believe only UK at fault
a. Ignore requirements of Art 50 TFEU re negotiating subsequent relationship alongside withdrawal of exiting state.
b. Refuse to discuss legal texts until less than 60 days to go
c. Refuse to treat other party as independent sovereign state
d. Ignore fact that under WTO rules there are already 'level playing field' regs
But Remainers believe only UK at fault
Under Teresa May the UK did All the compromising the EU did Zero compromising and still haven't to this day. Totalitarian/German run dictatorships Never Compromise so you just have to defeat them in War.
A very accurate evaluation.
Only 194 HYS Brexitee down votes:
Oh to live in an imaginary world!
Only 194 HYS Brexitee down votes:
Oh to live in an imaginary world!
Sorry uber, you got that very badly wrong. There's at least 3 more lines of lying in that list
How can you possible know what Boris thinks?
The EU bureacrats negotiation position has been one of absolute intransigence. They have never moved from their initial position. It's pointless to negotiate with a bully. Chamberlain tried it and it only encouraged the Nazis. Boris and May failed to recognise that the EU would be out to punish anyone who disagreed with their doctrine.
The EU bureacrats negotiation position has been one of absolute intransigence. They have never moved from their initial position. It's pointless to negotiate with a bully. Chamberlain tried it and it only encouraged the Nazis. Boris and May failed to recognise that the EU would be out to punish anyone who disagreed with their doctrine.
How France thinks it works "Germany says no deal is better than a bad deal, but acts to get a deal at any cost" - try Euronews, they are quoting the French, the BBC are useless.
Any deal will be strictly on our terms EU!
nope where have YOU been ? I expect you'd be happy with a ruined economy
How negotiating usually works:
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
Those watching in their mansions will no doubt be the billionaire owners of the Tory tabloids, who screamed for brexit & openly lied to their readers. Their mansions won't be in the UK, no sir...avoiding tax by living abroad.
I'm a nurse. I voted leave. i have seen first hand the way the NHS is abused. I do not live in a mansion.
Do you really know what hardship is!! I doubt it somehow!! Try finding out how the so called 'WORKING CLASSES' lived 150 years ago!! By far the vast majority work for their livings!! Therefore they are all 'WORKING CLASS' regardless of how much money or possessions they may have!! Get real that's the real reason Labour and momentum are failing!!
I'm always amused at the rejoiners ability to contradict themselves so regularly without any sense of embarrassment. So it is the rejoiners who are the smart workers who keep the country running, are the ones with money and it is young ill educated northerners who voted leave, then next minute all those northerners live in mansions with offshore accounts.
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
It's what they do - about everything. Sometimes on the side of buses...
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Because HMG knows that UK citizens are powerless to stop it lying.
Because people voted for sovereignty and anything below that, such as giving up British fishing rights or being forced into a 'level playing field', would be politically bad for Johnson and the Tories, who promised full independence.
Fishing is a red herring. We sell most of it to the EU, British trawlers are heavily manned by EU crewmen because our youngsters can't get out of bed and it's a minuscule part of the economy. Get over it.
Who used the phrase '100%?'
control of an industry worth 0.02% of the economy and employs fewer people than Debenhams? And 70% of our fish IS sold to europe - The eu will make sure that doesn't happen if there is no deal
Fish don't have nationality, they are free to swim in and out of anybody's territorial waters, They are not our fish!
Why do you?
We do not have a fishing fleet. All the previous large fishing ports are devoid of fishing fleets. Many are North Sea oil and wind farm bases, some are marinas for pleasure craft. So all the rhetoric about fishing rights are completely baseless, we cannot accommodate the ships or process the volume of fish we could potentially land. This also applies to the Welsh coast.
We get 100% control but not 100% of the fish, keep up you are missing the basic point
here you have it. "no matter what happens , we don't get 100% control". Nations can't govern themselves? we need to be controlled.
NO FISH NO DEAL
We cannot let those Frenchies in our water. No fish, No way!
The French can go fish themselves in EU waters.
UK FISH = UK FISHERMAN... The end.
We cannot let those Frenchies in our water. No fish, No way!
The French can go fish themselves in EU waters.
UK FISH = UK FISHERMAN... The end.
Why do they keep frying, I think you mean? When we have free and unfettered access to the vineyards and wine cellars, the French can keep the fish. Meanwhile, I'll never drink French wine again. I've longsince Brexited. Japanese car, American whisky instead of French brany etc.
Wrong we do get control just like Norway controls their waters. What we do is lets the EU fish on our terms.
It always was! Just that some people are incapable of recognizing reality and prefer empty slogans. Now we see the true value of all the bragging by the Brexit lobby. We are a small country and it ill-becomes us to make empty threats. Pigeons coming home to roost?
Car crash more like a motorway pile up.
Remain was the car crash, Brexit was the saviour.
....because you want it to be ?
Or he could be out rescuing migrants in the channel
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What, like Gina Miller?
I do not always agree with Farage, but his language is moderate compared with some of the anti-Brexit comments on this website. it is the frustrated Remainers and the hard left who spew bile.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
Whichever side you are on here please don't get manipulated into the hate fest stirred up by the people who run this website!
Just realise what is happening and treat this HYS for what it is!
Just realise what is happening and treat this HYS for what it is!
Please lets not turn friday night supper into usernames,
Surely we should all be entitled to freedom of speech
Surely we should all be entitled to freedom of speech
The BBC merely supplies a platform, it does not stir up a hate fest...Mr Cod & Chips 'defund the BBC' ??. That's your agenda.
The hate began with thecreferendum & brexiteers telling lies about immigrants blocking up access to NHS and taking all the benefits going.
I agree with avoiding a 'hate fest' but not sure you can blame 'the people who run this website'.
No one has to post
If they do, they can certainly suppress their angst before contributing..
Freedom of speech doesn't justify puerile rants.
No one has to post
If they do, they can certainly suppress their angst before contributing..
Freedom of speech doesn't justify puerile rants.
I still say Johnson should tell the EU what Mrs Thatcher told Delors... do one.
She was a narrowminded bully. He is a narrowminded doormat. Both rubbish leaders.
What a pantomime And still Johnson and cult trying to save face with idiocy about "sovereignty" Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU but this is about the EU tax committee and those offshore tax havens! The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land.
The 'idiocy' is what many people voted for. As for tax havens, what's that got to do with the price of chips?
Too many candidates in the cabinet to play the rear end of the donkey
Ireland, Luxembourg are just 2 of eus tax avoidance areas. The eu respects every nation. Hahaha. Vaccine share between nations? Budget been agreed between nations yet?
Sovereignty is what Our Ancestors fought and died for its the reason fools like you live a cushy no account life
'Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU". Laughable!
What planet are you living on?
What planet are you living on?
Hungary and Poland are not feeling the EU love. Greece was crippled in the financial crisis. Italy and Greece hung out to dry in the migrant crisis. Seriously.. every nation of the EU is respected by the EU... haha. Open your eyes.
Every Nation of the EU is respected by the EU, oh yes we've seen many examples of that from Tiny micron over the last 4 years, you really are deluded if you think the EU hasn't abused the UK, not only over the last 4 years but consistently since we rejected parts of the maastricht treaty, and respect for the rep of ireland referendum was in the form of, we dont like that please vote again...
So you support the EU, because you couldn't beat the Tory Party in the General election. You have this in common with the EU, you only support democratic results, when you win.
France is in disarray. No go ghettos, yellow vests confrontations with the police every week, So Macron tries to stop any deal.
I think you require to look at how the EU has treated Greece for a starter and treating the rest of the southern Europe countries particularly Italy and surely Spain will come under the cosh soon. Macron wants "sovereignty" for the EU providing it is on France's terms.
It takes two to Tango, and as Fox predicted, the EU would never Tango, because they need to punish the UK. But as leavers also said, Germany would be desperate for a deal. They are, read the French Minister's quote and why they will veto any deal. ;-)
https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
so we can fully expect the EU to respect the sovereignty of Monaco and the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg?
"The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land".
Now that Labour has come to it's senses and got rid of Corbyn, hopefully there's a chance of that becoming reality. Thankfully America has booted Trump out of the White House and replaced by a leader who doesn't side with Boris on Brexit. Just a pity we've got to wait till 2024 before we finally get rid of him.
Now that Labour has come to it's senses and got rid of Corbyn, hopefully there's a chance of that becoming reality. Thankfully America has booted Trump out of the White House and replaced by a leader who doesn't side with Boris on Brexit. Just a pity we've got to wait till 2024 before we finally get rid of him.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
A lazy and I'll informed comment.
Still going on about adverts from four and a half years go?
How negotiating usually works:
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
Stick to our guns, says something when EU want access to our waters for 10 years. Are we the only ones who play by the rules after the corrupt VW Mercedes emissions fiasco.....all they get is a slap on the wrist.
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If the EU is so desperate for fish from our waters why cannot the UK catch it and sell it to them?
We are clearly not the only ones who play by the rules.
Because we don't play by the rules.
Rule breaking by VW was not enshrined in law.
Because we don't play by the rules.
Rule breaking by VW was not enshrined in law.
The EU think what's ours is ours and what's yours is also ours.
Totally agree. The EU has brow beaten this country for far to long. The only way we could get into their club was by giving them the rights to fish our waters, whilst fishing communities in the UK have died away.
Our fishermen sold them the quotas to fish those fish. Suck it up.
The slight problem that every other car manufacturer was playing the same game as VW. They just got caught.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
It's 25 days until we leave the EU and we"re only just rushing to get a deal after years of chances. This is shameful.
Sorry but only 9 months of negotiation as Labour delayed the initial exit alongside Teresa May, and EU wouldn’t negotiate until we left on 31st Jan 2020.
Fact before fiction.
Fact before fiction.
This is how all EU negotiations go. If there was a year extension to the negotiations it would take another year.
Sorry, you've missed the bus on that one. It's 10 months since we left the EU, January 31st 2020. Suprising how many Remainers don't seem to have grasped that simple point.
And this is Boris fault? EU have added every proverbial spanner to the works.
That's why we're leaving the EU.
Wrong
We left on 31 st Jan.
We have already left the EU - it's really not that difficult - it even reminds you in the article.
WE HAVE LEFT
For good or bad
WE HAVE LEFT
But sadly shows how little many in UK understood the debate, given poor campaigns on both sides - re pros/cons of membership.
With neither side able to produce a compelling argument giving a 52 vs 48 split on a 72pc turnout.
We left on 31 st Jan.
We have already left the EU - it's really not that difficult - it even reminds you in the article.
WE HAVE LEFT
For good or bad
WE HAVE LEFT
But sadly shows how little many in UK understood the debate, given poor campaigns on both sides - re pros/cons of membership.
With neither side able to produce a compelling argument giving a 52 vs 48 split on a 72pc turnout.
We could have had a much earlier deal if we had conceded everything.
All EU deals work this way. Last minute job.
I'm just bored of hearing the same old same old.
Just get on with it or move on!
I'm just bored of hearing the same old same old.
Just get on with it or move on!
When your dealing with people who don't respect democracy what do you expect.
EU IS SCARED to death 4 million jobs will go in the Eu with no deal brexit.
And if they give a deL other ls will leave.
EU CAN NOT WIN DEAL OR NO DEAL
EU IS SCARED to death 4 million jobs will go in the Eu with no deal brexit.
And if they give a deL other ls will leave.
EU CAN NOT WIN DEAL OR NO DEAL
When your dealing with people who don't respect democracy what do you expect.
EU IS SCARED to death 4 million jobs will go in the Eu with no deal brexit.
And if they give a deal other in the Eu will leave.
EU CAN NOT WIN DEAL OR NO DEAL.
They no idea what to do they can not win.
EU IS SCARED to death 4 million jobs will go in the Eu with no deal brexit.
And if they give a deal other in the Eu will leave.
EU CAN NOT WIN DEAL OR NO DEAL.
They no idea what to do they can not win.
I don't get it, we let a proven lyer lead our country with lies into disaster
EU don't want a deal, they want an extension, do you think they were going to agree to a deal before the 11th hour...?
Actually it's 11 months since we left the EU on 31st January 2020
Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
LOL
Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
LOL
No it's 25 days until we leave the so called Transition period. The UK left the EU in February.
Blame Labour MPs for the delay. They blocked all attempts!
Still not announced the extension to April in view of talks overrunning. Guess that will be saved until Parliament is closed for xmas
An extension is not possible without a parliamentary vote. There are only 8 days in parliament before they rise for the Christmas break.
Divide and rule seems to be the BBCs motive!
It struggles to open HYS on other issues it regularly reports on - I can’t imagine why.
Hence the safe ground of hundreds of angry people repeating themselves ad nausea in a Brexit HYS.
Hence the safe ground of hundreds of angry people repeating themselves ad nausea in a Brexit HYS.
It's coming down to the last few chances to put across the EU perspective and show how unreasonable the British are - as the BBC generally sees things.
Said the Leaver
If there wasn't an HYS the same people complaining now about there being an HYS would be complaining about there not being one!
I suspect what the moaners are complaining about today is that the Tory Bot Propaganda Factory were slow into action on this HYS.
I suspect what the moaners are complaining about today is that the Tory Bot Propaganda Factory were slow into action on this HYS.
But it really cheap therapy for some people!
We won't ge a deal until EU recognises that UK is a free and independant country, they seem to think they can still control us even after we've left their corrupt club. Both sides want A TRADE DEAL so cut the crap Barnier and just talk trade. You cannot come here and steal all our fish and likewise we cannot go to Europe and steal all French grapes, Dutch bilbs and German cars.
Obviously you fail to understand what access to the European single market requires from those countries who wish to access it. The EU has to, for the sake of their people, insist that entry to outsiders, ie UK, is fair and that the UK abides by the standards within the EU. If not competition is not fair. We used to help write the rules. Now we do not because of Brexit. Do you Understand leavers?
The true nature of the EU is coming out here.
Perhaps we should ask for access to plant our own vines in their best vineyards in exchange for access to our fishing waters?
Perhaps we should ask for access to plant our own vines in their best vineyards in exchange for access to our fishing waters?
Oh deary me.
Moronic comment.
Moronic comment.
Given the state of the world at the moment, wouldn't you agree that a more sharing attitude would improve matters?
However, when it comes to the cause of the dispute over fishing, it was us in the UK that sold off fishing rights in 80s and 90s to other countries.
Now only if the government at that time (by the way, Tory) had put a limit on that and invested in UK fishing there'd be no argument.
However, when it comes to the cause of the dispute over fishing, it was us in the UK that sold off fishing rights in 80s and 90s to other countries.
Now only if the government at that time (by the way, Tory) had put a limit on that and invested in UK fishing there'd be no argument.
The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
Paris made a bid for some of the City of London scrap's from the table of financial services, and failed miserably. As did Frankfurt!
Everyone in Eu will gain financial services as Boris and co argue about fishing! Idiots.
We did not gave away our waters our fisher men sold their quota's.
British territorial water stops 12 miles offshore ok
Unfortunately the French are not capable, nor do they have the expertise to run financial services. Britain is “Europe’s investment banker” most of the debt and equity issued by the EU involves financial institutions in Britain. It won't be the UK that suffers if the EU decide to cut themselves off from the UK!
UK is in Europe, not very similar to Canada and Australia, much bigger countries on the other side of the world who already will have deals. We need to wise up, Brexit is like Germany or Italy going back to the 19th century and splitting back into local states. Brexit will not benefit ordinary people.
The fact that the uk is in Europe is irrelevant. Would australia be dictated too by china because its in asia? You just refuse to accept the uk will be independent from eu control.
Bigger in terms of size but not by population. There is more people in France than in Canada and Australia combined.
Brexit benefits the UK. It is the EU and Germany who will suffer, or do you think the EU keeps telling the City of London it can keep trading out of the goodness of its heart? Or that the French threat to veto because 'Germany wants a deal at any cost' despite claiming otherwise, is a leaver lie
https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
Such as 50% of our fisheries quotas? No, of course not.
A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
Does that include EDF. It'll be a bit dark and a bit cold but if you say so....
I couldn't give a damn about posturing politicians. I will buy what I like, from where I like.
Buy British? What commodities or goods are we talking of? Lets go back to the 60s with overpriced tat that disappeared when the competition turned up started with the Japanese btw
Any deal will be strictly on our terms EU!
The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
Look back at History and see it was the Tories that short changed the fisher men before and will again.
And where will we sell the fish 805 is exported to EU.
What a pantomime And still Johnson and cult trying to save face with idiocy about "sovereignty" Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU but this is about the EU tax committee and those offshore tax havens! The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land.
Well Reddy, the EU tax committee being born is what led the ERG to be born, who told you a pack of lies and then offered you a referendum off the back of it. If you voted for idiocy that I accept IS your choice that the wealthy gave you btw If we hadn't have left the EU tax committee would have been able to pile into those offshore tax dens from Jan 1 2021 starting with Gibraltar is this clear
Fish!!
Many people? Only 30 pc of the total electorate voted for Leave after a campaign of lies and promises not kept
It must be great to be so superior to 17.4 million idiots.
Red Neck we voted to leave and that is what we have done. Can anybody understand this? The deal is not so easy as the EU want to punish us so others won’t leave as well. We should help the Italians leave as well as the Polish people Etc.
The EU is a broken model.
Let the French eat cake instigated our fish
The EU is a broken model.
Let the French eat cake instigated our fish
Every trade deal involves pooling a little sovereignty. The Brexit elite didn’t tel out that did they?
Brexit is and always has been utterly pointless.
Brexit is and always has been utterly pointless.
Your referendum ballot said "Leave with no deal" did it?
Mine certainly made no mention of "No deal!"
And you are happy for our glorious leaders to hide all their money in tax havens, and then complain about evil Amazon not paying enough tax?
Mine certainly made no mention of "No deal!"
And you are happy for our glorious leaders to hide all their money in tax havens, and then complain about evil Amazon not paying enough tax?
Tax havens is why the Tories do not want to be part of the EU, They feel threatened in their back pocket. Better to make the rest of the people pay so that they can keep all their money safe from prying eyes.
I think the EU has just introduced legislation making it harder for people to keep money in tax havens/or at least to make more of it taxable. It has been said that some Conservative MPs (and probably others) have a big personal interest in not being subject to this legislation.
If you don't, it's no wonder you were duped into voting Leave.
The EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Measures limit various common ways the rich (& corporations) use to reduce their tax bill. It was supposed to come into force on 1 Jan 2019 but countries had 1 year's grace. UK (of course) used that (and ignored it in Jan 2020).
Tory sponsors have paid millions to get a Brexit that will save their lucre.
The EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Measures limit various common ways the rich (& corporations) use to reduce their tax bill. It was supposed to come into force on 1 Jan 2019 but countries had 1 year's grace. UK (of course) used that (and ignored it in Jan 2020).
Tory sponsors have paid millions to get a Brexit that will save their lucre.
The impending restrictions on tax havens are the reason why wealthy Brexiteers wanted us to leave the EU. So it actually des have something to do with the price of chips
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
unlike Momentum.
"So the German car industry and others must be lobbying EU governments hard to use these two extra days of talks to finally seal the deal, right? Wrong."
Well there doesn't appear to be any criticism in EU countries of the Commission over the failure to pre-order any Pfizer vaccine, so why would we expect any of the normal democratic scrutiny over a trade deal that will only cost them jobs?
Well there doesn't appear to be any criticism in EU countries of the Commission over the failure to pre-order any Pfizer vaccine, so why would we expect any of the normal democratic scrutiny over a trade deal that will only cost them jobs?
Not the case on either count thanks
“There is no plan for no deal because we're going to get a great deal.” (Boris Johnson, 11 July 2017)
Nothing to worry about then as we all know that Johnson is always true to his word. Isn't he?
Nothing to worry about then as we all know that Johnson is always true to his word. Isn't he?
Quite a lot more than most politicians. Very soon there'll be a trade deal, a vaccine, and Brexit pretty much sorted. He'll be judged on those things.
So it could be a lot worse.
So it could be a lot worse.
I think you will find he was talking about the withdrawal agreement, which the opposition parties did ever thing they could to stall. BJ delivered this days after winning the GE.
He and most thought the EU had enough respect for us that they would give us a deal. As it happens, they treat us with contempt.
Glad we left.
Glad we left.
If the EU were to stop telling us which parts of what is rightfully ours to begin with, we would have a ‘great’ deal. As the EU don’t understand that concept and their chief negotiator is a bit slow, it’s proving quite difficult to get any deal.
I don’t know what Barnier is getting paid, but it’s too much, or is he just milking the situation?
I don’t know what Barnier is getting paid, but it’s too much, or is he just milking the situation?
We could also add:
- world beating track and trace
- we have an oven-ready deal
- we'll send Covid packing in 12 weeks
- no border checks in Ireland
- extra 350m/week for the NHS
... and the list goes on and on...
Us Brits love being lied to. That's why we blindly follow Boris (aka Baby Trump).
#how the Brits mugged themselves
- world beating track and trace
- we have an oven-ready deal
- we'll send Covid packing in 12 weeks
- no border checks in Ireland
- extra 350m/week for the NHS
... and the list goes on and on...
Us Brits love being lied to. That's why we blindly follow Boris (aka Baby Trump).
#how the Brits mugged themselves
He is our great leader his bloodline should replace the royal one ......
Boris was not in power in 2017
How negotiating usually works:
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
If you had paid any attention, you would know that that was a reference to the Withdrawal Agreement. But when did remainers ever pay attention to detail? Just hyperbole and histrionics as you can read here.
EU trying to pull a fast one again. Level Playing Fields, State Aid and Governance are covered by WTO rules and as we are both members of the WTO there are no need for any extra EU rules. As for fishing, our fishing waters are guaranteed by International Law, do the EU really want to break it by fishing illegally?
He can not make a deal because he will up set someone and politically he can not do that.
He can't afford to offend his wealthy party donors and colleagues who stand to benefit from the market disruption expected due to a no-deal Brexit (that they've been preparing for for years).
It'll be the rest of us who pay the price, as usual.
I wonder who the Brexiteers will blame when the blame can no longer be placed at the door of the EU (a mantra pushed by UK governments for years)?
It'll be the rest of us who pay the price, as usual.
I wonder who the Brexiteers will blame when the blame can no longer be placed at the door of the EU (a mantra pushed by UK governments for years)?
And who is that?
Don't try to blame this on anyone else. This is the Tory's fault and brexiteers fault for believing them.
Facts Tigger are that you cannot add up. Boris won the election last December ( a year ago). Then elected to chose the shortest of possible time spans in which to negotiate a deal. It was not Labours choice. Obviously. Again a Brexiteers version of fact is different (read incorrect) as compared to anyone else.
Who has been negotiating? But it's all Labour's fault. Grow up
Hi Tigger, funny I thought it was the ERG in the Conservative party that delayed getting an exit deal by voting against their own government. As you say Fiction before fact!
How many of the Tory ERG members who kept voting against Teresa May are Labour MPs? Last time I checked none of the Tory ERG members are Labour MPs but they kept voting against Teresa May's deal. Plus if memory serves me correctly I even think the conservative MP for Uxbridge voted against Teresa May's deal but I can't recall his name although he does have blonde hair.
Fact before fiction.
Fact before fiction.
Not to mention erg + Boris cronies blocking votes all the time. Far more destructive than labour.
Tory government with DUP partners had a parliamentary majority but failed their own vote thanks to BJ and ERG disaster capitalists. Tories spent March-October 2019 doing nothing but choosing a leader, then going on summer recess, then trying to prorogue parliament instead of negotiating a deal that could get through parliament.
But not complete facts, eh? May had a majority had the ERG not voted her measures down....they have now got what they want, Labour did not.
Regardless, we will very soon see how this stupid act of self-harm plays out....
Regardless, we will very soon see how this stupid act of self-harm plays out....
You are conveniently forgetting that the Govt had a majority and even when they lost it bunged the DUP a wad of ££ to support them, so there was nothing Labour could do to stop brexit
over the 4 years 2016-2020 delays & voting down of deals has come from one faction of the tory party or another. Not least the ardent brexiteer's lead by Boris, reece- mogg et al.
Credit where its due please?
over the 4 years 2016-2020 delays & voting down of deals has come from one faction of the tory party or another. Not least the ardent brexiteer's lead by Boris, reece- mogg et al.
Credit where its due please?
Isn't that just the same point DVa was making but now you're trying to say only one party is at fault? Sorry, they've *all* screwed the pooch on this one.
You do know that Labour have not been in government for over 10 years. Tory party has had a majority (with DUP help) since the referendum. Any delay isdown to their own MP's & allies.
Fact- negotiations couldn’t start until article 50 was signed, you seem to have missed that minor detail.
Labour, conservatives, liberals , SNP etc. You have a short memory
It wasnt 9 months of negotiation, it was 9 months of Theresa may caving in
Strange how the truth gets so many thumbs down isn't it!
Wrong Tigger the ERG prevented TM getting a deal FACT before fiction no more Winnie the POO either
Hang on. Labour repeatedly said it wouldn't back a Brexit deal unless there was a customs union in it - which the Tories refused. And then turned down every chance for cross-party agreement on Brexit afterwards.
Tory ERG zealots then torpedo May's deal and majority.
Really not sure what reality you live in if you think that's Labour's fault...
Tory ERG zealots then torpedo May's deal and majority.
Really not sure what reality you live in if you think that's Labour's fault...
There were hundreds of Tory MPs that voted against May including the alcoholic Johnson
Umm let’s not try and rewrite history shall we...
Theresa May had a Brexit deal not too dissimilar from boris’ deal, it was boris and the erg that caused the most delays as they wanted power for themselves. To say otherwise is disingenuous
Theresa May had a Brexit deal not too dissimilar from boris’ deal, it was boris and the erg that caused the most delays as they wanted power for themselves. To say otherwise is disingenuous
How exactly Tories have always had a majority , The fact they had no plan has always been the problem. As previous posters have stated the blame game.
Wouldn't have made any difference - we would be where we are right now throwing away the best deal we had for some undefined benefits to make some people feel they are more in control when they won't be
There was two years for negotiation between invoking article 50 and Jan 2020. We spaffed it away with Tory leadership changes and a general election.
There are at least 3 ways of looking at this:
1. We shot our bolt by recalling talks as the other side know that if we were going to walk, yesterday would have been the natural point. It suggests we won’t walk despite the rhetoric.
2. It allows Johnson time to get his ducks in a row to walk.
3. We’ll kick the can...
There is no news in interpretation so we’ll just have to wait & see I suppose
1. We shot our bolt by recalling talks as the other side know that if we were going to walk, yesterday would have been the natural point. It suggests we won’t walk despite the rhetoric.
2. It allows Johnson time to get his ducks in a row to walk.
3. We’ll kick the can...
There is no news in interpretation so we’ll just have to wait & see I suppose
A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
Prepare for the next phase - Blame Game.
That started in 2016. It's the fault of anyone and everyone apart from Brexit voters.
That’s how it all started - blaming foreigners for our own problems.
Even if Boris gets 100% ofbwhat he's asking for it's a disaster for the UK. He's asking for the end of free trade in services (50% of our EU exports). He's asking for customs red tape and delays to hamper our manufacturing. He's celebrating removing freedom of movement so the employees of UK firms can't work at EU client sites without visa.
Already done mate - it's everyone else's fault except the people that voted for it.
Brexiters could drive their car into a wall and blame the wall.
Brexiters could drive their car into a wall and blame the wall.
Blame game isn’t the next phase. There’s already a daily HYS on it (inc weekends).
You can see from the EU’s point of view they want the UK to be seen to have a bad deal to warn other EU countries of the dangers of leaving. Also there are elections coming up in France so Macron wants to look strong.
Blame the foreigners. That's exactly what the owners of the Express, Mail, Sun and Telegraph want you to do. The same billionaires who conned a lot of you to vote leave, so they could dodge their taxes.
Easy, I blame leave voters
Yep, remainers have consistently (and bizarrely) blamed brexiteers for Brexit and I'm sure they'll continue in the same vein.
We are Soon to be completely rid of that vile and pernicious EU, it is like Christmas has come early.
Enjoy
merry Xmas everyone
Enjoy
merry Xmas everyone
Wow, you’re so clever, please don’t stop there, enlighten us all, explain who is going to start blame game?
Oh that is already happening. But wait until May of next year, when the severe economic impact of Brexit on the Scottish national economy filters through. As it will, for HM Government have already proved that in a 2016 report they tried to hide and them made secret.
Do you think the people of Scotland are willing to be the UK worst off because of Brexit, or will they vote something else?
Do you think the people of Scotland are willing to be the UK worst off because of Brexit, or will they vote something else?
Ohh no it isn't!!!!
Sorry, It is pantomime season.
Sorry, It is pantomime season.
You seem to be confusing the BBC with the daily fail.
Cod and Chips
"Divide and rule seems to be the BBCs motive!"
? ? ?
I presume that was a typo? You surely mean - "Divide and rule seems to be the Tory motive!"
"Divide and rule seems to be the BBCs motive!"
? ? ?
I presume that was a typo? You surely mean - "Divide and rule seems to be the Tory motive!"
I think you're talking about the Tory party
What?
The BBC are reporting on the people who deliberately divided this country to acquire power, something i might add every political party does and has done so since the dawn of time!
The Tory party caused this current disaster, split the country on an issue only they really cared about and you accuse the BBC of causing the division by reporting it?
Two words. Cognitive Dissidence.
The BBC are reporting on the people who deliberately divided this country to acquire power, something i might add every political party does and has done so since the dawn of time!
The Tory party caused this current disaster, split the country on an issue only they really cared about and you accuse the BBC of causing the division by reporting it?
Two words. Cognitive Dissidence.
This is why they join in smearing Corbyn and propping up Johnson, and then push identity politics. These people just want us to squabble amongst ourselves while they empty our pockets. It's all by design.
What rubbish. In case you haven’t noticed, what is happening is actually real life. The BBC are reporting it dummy.
Says the Leaver who voted against his kids because.... well, because.....
That’s what we say in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It is a British institution after all!
If you don't like it, leave. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
Don't blame the BBC for what politicians and the Daily Express caused.
Too deep. Remain bais is the BBC's rule.
The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
Or he could be out rescuing migrants in the channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6kBNkNaYHo&t=298s Removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6kBNkNaYHo&t=298s Removed
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
"our youngsters can't get out of bed"
Would -you- want to work on a trawler, for the risks and rewards they get?
Would -you- want to work on a trawler, for the risks and rewards they get?
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
Any deal will be strictly on our terms EU!
WHERE IS THE EASIEST TRADE DEAL IN HISTORY?!? “Oh but it’s the EUs fault”.... amusing thing is the prophecy that we were never going to get a favourable deal is fast becoming a reality that will cause no end of economic hurt.
Project fear? More like project reality.
Project fear? More like project reality.
In your case, project rubbish.
If you knew where that phrase came from, you'd be embarrassed at using it, because it was the first part of Liam Fox's statement, here's the second parts "only EU politics could stop it" - here's the EU politics that will stop it. ;-)
https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
Even so if you're premise is right don't leave the EU because they will be nasty to us not a good reason to stay in is it The trouble belly aching about it isn't going to make for a better outcome What you do now is to make the most of it and like it or not you were out numbered in the vote so get on with life
Does your brain not compute the eu is so angry were leaving and still want to punish us grow up and stop lying your embarrassing yourself AGAIN
Well, a lot of us would've taken no-deal instead of the Withdrawal Agreement and the waste of the last five years.
The only reason we didn't is the anti-democratic nonsense the losers that voted to remain have continually thrown up. You lost, get over it, try and support the country you live in or go live in the EU if it's such a nirvana.
The only reason we didn't is the anti-democratic nonsense the losers that voted to remain have continually thrown up. You lost, get over it, try and support the country you live in or go live in the EU if it's such a nirvana.
utter nonsense, only you and people like you are making these totally spurious predictions. Total hyprocrisy.
I thought US had the easiest 0ven Ready (TM) deal with China, back in 2016..
That went well..
That went well..
Still at it! Standing on the stern of the Titanic shouting this ship can't sink?
I hope all you nationalistic lot on here are happy with the real reason for the government wanting no deal . To enable the big companies to carry on not paying what they should , and so in the process , directly harming YOU
Truth will never be welcomed when lies are more friendly and others can be blamed.
We have already given some of that up with our trade deal with Japan.
Dear EU,
Don't give them a deal.
Boris is a liar. I know you don't trust him.
Please, please please, let them suffer.
Yours,
The Thinking People.
Don't give them a deal.
Boris is a liar. I know you don't trust him.
Please, please please, let them suffer.
Yours,
The Thinking People.
Freedom of movement didn't have one advantage for the British working class. When we voted to leave, we had 6 million working in poverty, in the UK.
Remain supporters supported multinationals and low wages over the working class. They were blind to their sufferings.
Remain supporters supported multinationals and low wages over the working class. They were blind to their sufferings.
How negotiating usually works:
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
Oh sure 1 little island taking on the on the whole EU. Man alive
If the rich elites would admit that Britain never lost its sovereignty then we could all get back to normality and focus on Covid.
Alas, they stand to make too much money out of Brexit.
Alas, they stand to make too much money out of Brexit.
Sovereignty is the authority of a state to govern itself, cameron went with the begging bowl to try and regain some sovereignty and was told to do one.
Hence the vote to leave.
Hence the vote to leave.
I think EU membership - long term - federal future etc. - did constitute an existential threat to the Tory-Betty-Union show
I thought that was great
I still think Brexit now constitutes the same level of threat to said 'establishment'
I also think that's great
I thought that was great
I still think Brexit now constitutes the same level of threat to said 'establishment'
I also think that's great
A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
Bojo and co have one big problem
Nobody trusts them or anything they say
Nobody trusts them or anything they say
But you trust the EU. Boris has already put into law, that freedom of movement stops. I trust him.
I bet you wish you had accepted May's deal now!!!
4 years of siding with the EU against your own country. 4 years of believing a media that supported multinationals over the democratic process. We are free from the EU. Boris kept his word about the freedom of movement.
4 years of siding with the EU against your own country. 4 years of believing a media that supported multinationals over the democratic process. We are free from the EU. Boris kept his word about the freedom of movement.
EU trying to pull a fast one again. Level Playing Fields, State Aid and Governance are covered by WTO rules and as we are both members of the WTO there are no need for any extra EU rules. As for fishing, our fishing waters are guaranteed by International Law, do the EU really want to break it by fishing illegally?
And a lot of brexiteers, too....
For the EU the whole point of a "Deal" is to stop Brexit from being an obvious success.
For them to sign up to a deal it MUST castrate Brexit to a large degree.
So will Boris stab Brexit in the back? - we shall see....
For them to sign up to a deal it MUST castrate Brexit to a large degree.
So will Boris stab Brexit in the back? - we shall see....
If the EU point of a deal was to stop Brexit being a success surely they would just do a No Deal as by every credible Economic source that would cause short to medium disaster to the UK economy. The fact they are still in talks is a miracle as far as I'm concerned especially when the government are already planning to break the last agreement they signed with them.
I've read this comment a few times but it still has no meaning.
French Secretary of State for European Affairs, Clément Beaune -
" EU granting too many concessions to the UK, in order to avoid a no-deal scenario on December 31.
'We will hold out until the last moment' says Germany On the contrary, Germany, which holds the rotating presidency of the EU and the European Commission, is seeking an agreement "at all costs".
" EU granting too many concessions to the UK, in order to avoid a no-deal scenario on December 31.
'We will hold out until the last moment' says Germany On the contrary, Germany, which holds the rotating presidency of the EU and the European Commission, is seeking an agreement "at all costs".
They were obviously pretty safe.
Brexit was never going to be any sort of success (unless you think blue passports are worth a few million unemployed).
But to look at it slightly differently, the EU can't give UK tariff free access to their Single Market with less burden of payments and regulations than members have.
The countries whose products are similar to our exports would surely veto that.
Brexit was never going to be any sort of success (unless you think blue passports are worth a few million unemployed).
But to look at it slightly differently, the EU can't give UK tariff free access to their Single Market with less burden of payments and regulations than members have.
The countries whose products are similar to our exports would surely veto that.
I doubt the EU wants a deal at all. It is a political animal increasingly built on coercion - better for EU to let a deal be scuppered, take the short term pain, then claim some ‘moral’ high ground and use it to beat up dissenters in the ranks. And the UK out of the way there is a clear path to the glorious project from the last century, the youthful dreams of a bunch of old white men.
Well spotted. Are we the only sane people in the UK? We face a few minor disruptions. They face a crumbling edifice.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
It will be interesting to see how Buy British works out. People have been threatening it for 5 years but have not bothered and continued to buy on price.
It’s not just price. Britain’s not self-sufficient in food and goods.
It's difficult to know what is British. You can slap a sticker on something but most of it can still be sourced from imported materials. Even British meat could still be fed with imported fodder.
Boris' 'bonfire of the regulations' is set to just make that worse. Under a weak deal, the US could copyright the Made in Britain label with no legal issues whatsoever.
Boris' 'bonfire of the regulations' is set to just make that worse. Under a weak deal, the US could copyright the Made in Britain label with no legal issues whatsoever.
UK is in Europe, not very similar to Canada and Australia, much bigger countries on the other side of the world who already will have deals. We need to wise up, Brexit is like Germany or Italy going back to the 19th century and splitting back into local states. Brexit will not benefit ordinary people.
It is not irrelevant, and until we left we were an equal partner with a say and a veto, not "dictated to", negotiating a deal means that EU actually have a say in it! and it is not a case of UK demanding and getting everything it wants. You just refuse to accept that a no deal will cause huge problems. Brexiteers need to grow up.
I think you know this analogy is not very honest as nobody would want to be ruled by China anywhere in the western world. The EU does not rule any European country and I think you know this as well.
Australia grovels to China as does every country in the Pacific Rim.
But the UK *won't* be independent from EU control. It is a huge trade bloc just off our shores and our major trading partner, and has trade deals with all of the world. And it isn't going away.
Manufacturers in the UK must still produce for an EU market if they hope to sell enough to break even, for example. All we did is throw away any control we did have.
Manufacturers in the UK must still produce for an EU market if they hope to sell enough to break even, for example. All we did is throw away any control we did have.
A UK that sweeps away regulations on workers' rights, consumer protection and environmental constraints while deliberately subsidising competing industry is a real threat to EU economies (and not great for most Britons).
China is bullying Australia!
Australia has already signed EU protocols and China faces high tariffs. Distance reduces the trade threat from both.
UK has choices.
China is bullying Australia!
Australia has already signed EU protocols and China faces high tariffs. Distance reduces the trade threat from both.
UK has choices.
Australia isn't in Asia. Clearly your grasp of geopgraphy is on a par with your grasp of economics.
Transport costs have been almost negligible in trade for well over a century. You know, like steamships got invented. Distance is irrelevant. And your second point is nothing to do with your first. Bewilderment.
Im sure they will be stopping for Christmas break soon and the talks will resume after that, then a month for easter hols and 2 months of in the summer. While wonder ministers get little done.
4 years and nothing achieved.
4 years and nothing achieved.
How negotiating usually works:
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement
How Johnson thinks negotiating works:
• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
He has a duty to defend the Good Friday Agreement and the UK internal market.
No deal is better than a bad deal.
No deal is better than a bad deal.
What a pantomime And still Johnson and cult trying to save face with idiocy about "sovereignty" Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU but this is about the EU tax committee and those offshore tax havens! The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land.
Ok let me save your time and sum up this HYS: Whinge, whinge, 'I can't accept a democratic vote' ... Bleat, bleat 'The election didn't go my way either' Moan; moan 'Jeremy didn't win' Carp; carp...Etc; etc; etc....Ad infinitum.
I am a remainer who accepts the result and looks forward to you paying the price of your superb victory against sense. I too have won. I have won the right to watch and titter.
Leavers will be optimistic, remainers will be pessimistic, nothing new to report like this HYS
"So the German car industry and others must be lobbying EU governments hard to use these two extra days of talks to finally seal the deal, right? Wrong."
Well there doesn't appear to be any criticism in EU countries of the Commission over the failure to pre-order any Pfizer vaccine, so why would we expect any of the normal democratic scrutiny over a trade deal that will only cost them jobs?
Well there doesn't appear to be any criticism in EU countries of the Commission over the failure to pre-order any Pfizer vaccine, so why would we expect any of the normal democratic scrutiny over a trade deal that will only cost them jobs?
Yet another HYS on Brexit where the Neanderthal remainers screech like prairie dogs.
I voted remain but we lost.
We must now back our country and not allow the EU mega project where no countries will exist in 20 years to dictate how we run as an independent state.
I saw both sides of argument but just favored remain hoping we could change from within.
Now we must protect UK over EU
I voted remain but we lost.
We must now back our country and not allow the EU mega project where no countries will exist in 20 years to dictate how we run as an independent state.
I saw both sides of argument but just favored remain hoping we could change from within.
Now we must protect UK over EU
EU dictatorship has to change and respect democracy.
Not only with the United Kingdom but also within its member states.
Not only with the United Kingdom but also within its member states.
Why do we need to have an HYS on this every day. All we get is the same groups of people spewing hate to anyone that did not vote the same way as them. BBC do you really need to continually create division
It's called freedom of speech whether you like it or not. As for the tone of languages used...unfortunately that's the way some of the British society are...
This is reflecting division not creating it, it is brexit that created the division
The BBC have created division by daring to report the news.
Mummy.
Mummy.
Totally agree with you. The BBC are a disgrace we had endless HYS's on this subject. Talk about stirring the pot between Brexit & COVID19 we have at lease two a day. If you look at the comments its always the same people making the same comments on every single HYS. And if by chance we have another a different HYS, the comments still go but to Brexit & COVID19.
Quite right Ian.
You’ll not see any HYS on Millwall FC fans booing the players taking the knee for BLM or a HYS on Muslim men grooming children for multiple sex attacks.
Now that would be really divisive but you’ll never see it as it’s not on the BBC’s agenda.
They’d rather promote LBGT and BLM stories without any HYS attached to them. Removed
You’ll not see any HYS on Millwall FC fans booing the players taking the knee for BLM or a HYS on Muslim men grooming children for multiple sex attacks.
Now that would be really divisive but you’ll never see it as it’s not on the BBC’s agenda.
They’d rather promote LBGT and BLM stories without any HYS attached to them. Removed
The bbc are like trump they share an inability to accept a democratic vote
It gives Leavers an opportunity to explain the advantages of Brexit because we still don’t know what they are.
In my experience, it's always those that voted for Brexit that want to silence the conversations. Why is that?
Absolutely agree.
This is an important matter BUT the BBC very often avoids any HYS on other important issues. In a subtle and not so subtle way people at the BBC seek to set the Agenda. It does not truly believe in free speech on race and gender to name two issues.
This is an important matter BUT the BBC very often avoids any HYS on other important issues. In a subtle and not so subtle way people at the BBC seek to set the Agenda. It does not truly believe in free speech on race and gender to name two issues.
The division has been caused by the incredibly self-serving decision by DC to hold the ref initially, the wafer-thin margin of victory for Leave (achieved by brazen lying, and misinformation), which was not translated into a compromise (i.e. leave EU but stay in SM /CU) and the swaggering triumphalism and utter contempt shown to Remainers by Brexiteers since (politicians, MSM and voters alike)
It also exposes the BBC's lack of quality. Euronews has been quoting the French European affairs minister since Friday, saying 'France will veto any deal, because Germany is desperate to get a deal at any cost'
Yes they do, because unbiased and objective journalism is no longer a feature of the BBC. Their world news pages are pathetic, with some everyday stories on for weeks, because they can’t be bothered going anywhere past Hyde Park Corner.
Time to defund and let some fresh competition in that only gets paid when it actually provides a news service.
I watch NHK when I can, it’s just so much better!
Time to defund and let some fresh competition in that only gets paid when it actually provides a news service.
I watch NHK when I can, it’s just so much better!
More importantly, in other news Norway and Denmark have apologised for Viking raids on the East Coast in 421. This contrasts with the prompt apology by the Dahl family.
Said the leaver, with no job to worry about, and not much of a future, confident that the government will look after him while he contributes *NOTHING* to clearing up his mess
Hmmmm...
Earlier in the week, I posted that we now have a daily Brexit HYS for remainers to have a moan, and my post was removed by the moderators. I presume they’re short-staffed on Sundays? Removed
Earlier in the week, I posted that we now have a daily Brexit HYS for remainers to have a moan, and my post was removed by the moderators. I presume they’re short-staffed on Sundays? Removed
http://www.worldstopexports.com/
"European Union members bought a slightly declining amount of cars exported from the UK, $17.1 billion which represents a -0.4% decrease from $17.2 billion one year earlier in 2016. Declining at a faster pace were UK’s imports of cars from EU, at $38.6 billion sliding -3.6% in value at $38.6 billion down from $40.1 billion during 2016".
EU-imagine sales at $Nil!
"European Union members bought a slightly declining amount of cars exported from the UK, $17.1 billion which represents a -0.4% decrease from $17.2 billion one year earlier in 2016. Declining at a faster pace were UK’s imports of cars from EU, at $38.6 billion sliding -3.6% in value at $38.6 billion down from $40.1 billion during 2016".
EU-imagine sales at $Nil!
Boris in a pickle! He would rather inflict severe long-term pain on his own people than admitting that he has been wrong all the way!
Severe long term pain is what ended on Dec 12 2019.
And thank goodness for that.
And thank goodness for that.
He'd rather strike no deal to benefit "his people" than a deal to benefit the people of this country - which is quite telling - given that the odds of no deal were, apparently, 1:1,000,000 around the time of the General Election that gave him an 80 seat majority to do as he pleases with for the next 48 months (and counting).
I voted remain, shh but I did accept the result, Boris and other who led us out of the EU still have time to make the deal they promised or stated would be done, until the fat lady sings so to speak I accept that negotiations can drift and seem hopeless, I accept that Boris and co when they said we would get a better deal.
so until it is over we wait, only when its over will I assess the truth
so until it is over we wait, only when its over will I assess the truth
He will blame it on covid-19 and refuses to see it as a 1-2 punch. The spin machine will be going all out to the point you could link it to the grid to power half the country.
He knew it was wrong all along.
He even campaigned to remain until he realised championing leave would help him win the premiership.
Mind you, even as a journalist he used to write two opposing columns so he could always claim he was right whichever way things turned out.
Becoming Prime Minister was all he really cared about.
He even campaigned to remain until he realised championing leave would help him win the premiership.
Mind you, even as a journalist he used to write two opposing columns so he could always claim he was right whichever way things turned out.
Becoming Prime Minister was all he really cared about.
Boris isn't Barnier is. If Euronews is correct he's stuck between Germany and France, the French accusing the Germans of saying no deal is better than a bad deal, but actually negotiating for a deal at any cost. So the French to veto & Liam Fox proven right, 'what should be the easiest trade deal in history blocked by EU politics"
Yawn! God you are a really tedious OMG remainer aren’t you?
Comrade Corbin and his racist chums would have caused absolute disaster.
How about pickle topping in 0ven Ready (TM) pizza Fiasco?
Mmmm!
Chèf Johnson recommends!
(because it’s the only one left on the list)
Mmmm!
Chèf Johnson recommends!
(because it’s the only one left on the list)
Boris is following a referendum which was then validated by a general election to deliver Brexit. Deal or No Deal. It looks like WTO for now, get the pandemic out of the way (far more important) then get back round the table at some point in future after he’s jump on board with things like trans-pacific trade agreements, looking more likely Brexit deal.
The EU has absolutely no intention of "honouring our sovereignty"....
So forget a deal - it would just be capitulation....
& those days are over....
So forget a deal - it would just be capitulation....
& those days are over....
That's not the a the point !
No one trusts Boris.
And he won't allow any Court to judge his lies
No one trusts Boris.
And he won't allow any Court to judge his lies
A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
Sunak, Patel and co have shown the true meaning of Brexit.
Secret meeting in Israel, Bullying, looking after those with offshore accounts. Selling the resources we have left to the highest bidders.
Secret meeting in Israel, Bullying, looking after those with offshore accounts. Selling the resources we have left to the highest bidders.
You forgot to mention that snivelling coward Rhys Mogg's Hedge fund making millions out of Brexit.
You are not accurate sir. UK companies have huge investments, sometimes 100% of the equity, in companies in countries around the globe. Better research first before sitting at your keyboard. It would help to put forward a point of view based upon fact not fiction.
What’s Israel got to do with this? And if it was a secret, how do you know?
Think about the Monica, there is none here!
If only you were the voice of reason....? The examples you give are nothing to do with Brexit, you could add Liverpool not winning every game it plays in. So sad...
"Selling the resources we have left to the highest bidders."
Yes .. truly despicable.
Although .. Gordon Brown sold off our gold reserves & nuclear industry to the lowest bidders.... which is even worse.
Yes .. truly despicable.
Although .. Gordon Brown sold off our gold reserves & nuclear industry to the lowest bidders.... which is even worse.
The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
And our fishing fleets are largely owned by companies overseas in the .........EU. Marvellous.
I think that you will find that NI is part of the United Kingdom. The reality is the EU are happy to give free trade deals to Canada and Japan, with no EU contribution and no ECJ oversight. But Britain has paid billions into the EU is being denied a free trade deal, and the EU want oversight, and retain control of UK waters. No. Only a Canada plus deal should be accepted.