Brexit: UK-EU trade talks continue as 'sticking points' remain
07/12/2020 | news | politics | 9,302
EU sources say the two sides are nearing an agreement on access to UK waters by EU fishing fleets.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
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There is no guarantee of sovereignty in the chaos of no deal...
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06/12/2020 12:47:44 1 7
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It's be job done. Indeed.

It's be sad that people can have opinions and be able to vote.
What a stupid statement . We’ve never lost sovereignty - we are a parliamentary democracy ffs. Just jingoistic xenophobic nonsense you usually spout Removed
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06/12/2020 12:49:27 9 5
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We have already given some of that up with our trade deal with Japan.
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rne
06/12/2020 12:52:45 5 7
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Not only is the sentiment nonsense but so also is the grammar.
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06/12/2020 12:54:34 7 9
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Sovereignty is utterly meaningless in the today's global market. It's a concept which became irrelevant a hundred years ago.
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06/12/2020 13:33:15 4 3
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keep dreaming, what you want finished with Henry 8th............
06/12/2020 19:42:47 0 1
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"As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done."

The operation was a success. It was just unfortunate that the patient died.
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06/12/2020 21:04:01 0 1
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what exactly is sovereignty.....please explain what they are delivering and how it will affect ordinary people? i'm confused
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How negotiating usually works:

• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement

How Johnson thinks negotiating works:

• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
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Then, of course, the final step, whatever the outcome:

• Watch people suffer the consequences from the comfort and safety of your mansion with the sort of detachment that is only possible for people who've never experienced a day's hardship in their entire life.
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06/12/2020 12:47:46 80 19
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Don’t think it is even as planned as you make out. He is a clown.
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06/12/2020 12:50:20 74 17
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Sadly and embarrassingly true. Remember oven ready etc.
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06/12/2020 12:53:26 27 90
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The EU don't compromise and thankfully neither do we!
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06/12/2020 12:50:09 63 13
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One thing wrong Johnson DIDN'T renege on a "past deal" he is trying to destroy an international treaty Apart from the spoons crowd no one will let him
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06/12/2020 13:02:02 29 44
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As popular as it is to knock people, it seems highly unlikely that he reached his current position without understanding people and negotiation.
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06/12/2020 13:10:44 13 55
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Get a life and man up, sell out merchant that you are.
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06/12/2020 13:13:22 27 8
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Ah but at least he "got brexit done' and we 'regained our sovereignty' that we never lost.

The German car makers are bricking it... Not
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06/12/2020 13:07:17 36 4
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You forgot
• Siphon off public cash for yourself and your mates
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06/12/2020 13:15:59 14 39
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You lack critical appraisal.
You missed out the fact the present EU treaty allows for countries to exit. But in bad faith, the EU have done everything possible to prevent the UK from leaving. First they claimed it would force a border in Ireland. Now they are saying “you can only trade with us in future if we can continue to help ourselves to your natural resources without proper compensation”.
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06/12/2020 13:16:00 17 13
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How commentators work:

- Make well thought out comments on things they actually know about.

How HYS people like you work:

- Make crude, uneducated comments.
- Use jingoistic phrases to dog-whistle supporters.
- Whine and whinge at everything without making any constructive comments.
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06/12/2020 13:16:22 13 13
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Yes, we should have simply conceded everything at the start, and then there would have been no friction. A brilliant post.
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06/12/2020 13:22:29 21 5
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Boris who sat on the fence at first for Brexit,then due to Mrs Mays inefecie,ncies found his chance to be PM and with the help of Mr Corbyn and a gang right wing labour MPs and daily mail rags ceaseless anti labour party portrayal.What the EU is thinking is Boris reneging in the future and his lies and deceit to his wife,family lovers etc makes him not to be trusted.
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06/12/2020 13:24:08 10 22
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Leaving the EU was always going to be difficult as they it threatens their aspirations. They want to increase membership, not reduce it. I’m not surprised we are staring at a no deal outcome as they were never going to respect our sovereignty.
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06/12/2020 13:38:41 8 18
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You're not a remainer who can't stand the fact that we are leaving are you?
Of course there hasn't been any posturing by the EU has there.
As was so eloquently stated yesterday, the EU don't negotiate , they dictate.
06/12/2020 14:08:14 7 19
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Don't forget the EU process.
a. Ignore requirements of Art 50 TFEU re negotiating subsequent relationship alongside withdrawal of exiting state.
b. Refuse to discuss legal texts until less than 60 days to go
c. Refuse to treat other party as independent sovereign state
d. Ignore fact that under WTO rules there are already 'level playing field' regs

But Remainers believe only UK at fault
06/12/2020 14:14:07 6 19
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Under Teresa May the UK did All the compromising the EU did Zero compromising and still haven't to this day. Totalitarian/German run dictatorships Never Compromise so you just have to defeat them in War.
06/12/2020 14:44:33 5 4
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A very accurate evaluation.

Only 194 HYS Brexitee down votes:

Oh to live in an imaginary world!
06/12/2020 14:52:38 3 2
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its called negotiation!!
06/12/2020 15:07:47 6 3
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Sorry, you forget 'break international law'
06/12/2020 15:11:46 6 3
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Sorry uber, you got that very badly wrong. There's at least 3 more lines of lying in that list
06/12/2020 15:15:26 6 10
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How can you possible know what Boris thinks?
The EU bureacrats negotiation position has been one of absolute intransigence. They have never moved from their initial position. It's pointless to negotiate with a bully. Chamberlain tried it and it only encouraged the Nazis. Boris and May failed to recognise that the EU would be out to punish anyone who disagreed with their doctrine.
06/12/2020 15:42:36 2 4
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You’ve not been following proceedings either.
06/12/2020 16:09:02 1 4
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How France thinks it works "Germany says no deal is better than a bad deal, but acts to get a deal at any cost" - try Euronews, they are quoting the French, the BBC are useless.
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06/12/2020 12:44:18 16 34
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Any deal will be strictly on our terms EU!
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06/12/2020 12:48:39 15 11
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nope where have YOU been ? I expect you'd be happy with a ruined economy
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06/12/2020 12:53:00 3 2
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That’s why there won’t be one! Negotiations are about give and take to work through to get amicable agreements, then later you go tweaking the bits. Arrogance in a negotiation is childish and ignorant
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How negotiating usually works:

• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement

How Johnson thinks negotiating works:

• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
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Then, of course, the final step, whatever the outcome:

• Watch people suffer the consequences from the comfort and safety of your mansion with the sort of detachment that is only possible for people who've never experienced a day's hardship in their entire life.
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06/12/2020 13:14:31 29 5
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Those watching in their mansions will no doubt be the billionaire owners of the Tory tabloids, who screamed for brexit & openly lied to their readers. Their mansions won't be in the UK, no sir...avoiding tax by living abroad.
06/12/2020 14:25:54 8 16
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I'm a nurse. I voted leave. i have seen first hand the way the NHS is abused. I do not live in a mansion.
06/12/2020 15:18:51 5 7
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Do you really know what hardship is!! I doubt it somehow!! Try finding out how the so called 'WORKING CLASSES' lived 150 years ago!! By far the vast majority work for their livings!! Therefore they are all 'WORKING CLASS' regardless of how much money or possessions they may have!! Get real that's the real reason Labour and momentum are failing!!
06/12/2020 16:11:33 6 6
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I'm always amused at the rejoiners ability to contradict themselves so regularly without any sense of embarrassment. So it is the rejoiners who are the smart workers who keep the country running, are the ones with money and it is young ill educated northerners who voted leave, then next minute all those northerners live in mansions with offshore accounts.
06/12/2020 16:13:35 4 6
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You are so, so boring. Mansions? Really? Time to go off and polish your clogs and re-adjust your flat hat before you go down the pit.
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If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
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It's what they do - about everything. Sometimes on the side of buses...
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06/12/2020 12:48:27 22 5
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Because HMG knows that UK citizens are powerless to stop it lying.
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Dee
06/12/2020 12:50:04 20 4
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Because people voted for sovereignty and anything below that, such as giving up British fishing rights or being forced into a 'level playing field', would be politically bad for Johnson and the Tories, who promised full independence.
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06/12/2020 12:52:28 24 14
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Fishing is a red herring. We sell most of it to the EU, British trawlers are heavily manned by EU crewmen because our youngsters can't get out of bed and it's a minuscule part of the economy. Get over it.
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06/12/2020 13:25:12 2 6
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Who used the phrase '100%?'
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06/12/2020 13:37:51 4 7
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Great name Bore
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tim
06/12/2020 13:46:45 8 6
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control of an industry worth 0.02% of the economy and employs fewer people than Debenhams? And 70% of our fish IS sold to europe - The eu will make sure that doesn't happen if there is no deal
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06/12/2020 13:54:46 9 12
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Fish don't have nationality, they are free to swim in and out of anybody's territorial waters, They are not our fish!
06/12/2020 16:18:47 1 2
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Why do you?
06/12/2020 17:10:38 5 4
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We do not have a fishing fleet. All the previous large fishing ports are devoid of fishing fleets. Many are North Sea oil and wind farm bases, some are marinas for pleasure craft. So all the rhetoric about fishing rights are completely baseless, we cannot accommodate the ships or process the volume of fish we could potentially land. This also applies to the Welsh coast.
06/12/2020 17:51:45 3 0
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We get 100% control but not 100% of the fish, keep up you are missing the basic point
06/12/2020 18:51:39 1 0
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here you have it. "no matter what happens , we don't get 100% control". Nations can't govern themselves? we need to be controlled.
06/12/2020 20:38:54 1 1
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NO FISH NO DEAL
We cannot let those Frenchies in our water. No fish, No way!
The French can go fish themselves in EU waters.
UK FISH = UK FISHERMAN... The end.
06/12/2020 21:53:12 1 0
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Stop moaning. Plenty of fish in the sea!
06/12/2020 23:34:51 0 0
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Why do they keep frying, I think you mean? When we have free and unfettered access to the vineyards and wine cellars, the French can keep the fish. Meanwhile, I'll never drink French wine again. I've longsince Brexited. Japanese car, American whisky instead of French brany etc.
07/12/2020 01:27:28 0 0
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Bozo doesn't know how to tell the truth.
07/12/2020 08:15:04 0 0
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Wrong we do get control just like Norway controls their waters. What we do is lets the EU fish on our terms.
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06/12/2020 12:46:22 96 60
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Brexit has become a car crash.
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rne
06/12/2020 12:50:33 92 38
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It always was! Just that some people are incapable of recognizing reality and prefer empty slogans. Now we see the true value of all the bragging by the Brexit lobby. We are a small country and it ill-becomes us to make empty threats. Pigeons coming home to roost?
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06/12/2020 12:52:24 9 8
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Car crash more like a motorway pile up.
Remain was the car crash, Brexit was the saviour.
06/12/2020 14:10:12 4 2
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Looks like it might end up a complete write off
06/12/2020 14:51:32 6 2
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Head on into a Red Bus. Lol.
06/12/2020 17:10:14 2 3
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....because you want it to be ?
06/12/2020 20:09:46 1 0
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Because the losers won't take their hands off the wheel.
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I bet Farage will be spewing more bile soon when the deal is done and dusted.... Removed
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06/12/2020 12:53:40 4 10
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What, like Gina Miller?
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06/12/2020 13:21:30 6 3
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I do not always agree with Farage, but his language is moderate compared with some of the anti-Brexit comments on this website. it is the frustrated Remainers and the hard left who spew bile.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
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06/12/2020 12:46:29 20 24
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There is no guarantee of sovereignty in the chaos of no deal...
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06/12/2020 12:47:25 106 54
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Whichever side you are on here please don't get manipulated into the hate fest stirred up by the people who run this website!

Just realise what is happening and treat this HYS for what it is!
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06/12/2020 12:56:48 32 24
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Please lets not turn friday night supper into usernames,
Surely we should all be entitled to freedom of speech
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06/12/2020 13:24:42 7 8
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The BBC merely supplies a platform, it does not stir up a hate fest...Mr Cod & Chips 'defund the BBC' ??. That's your agenda.
06/12/2020 16:11:11 4 8
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The hate began with thecreferendum & brexiteers telling lies about immigrants blocking up access to NHS and taking all the benefits going.
06/12/2020 18:45:02 3 2
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I agree with avoiding a 'hate fest' but not sure you can blame 'the people who run this website'.
No one has to post
If they do, they can certainly suppress their angst before contributing..
Freedom of speech doesn't justify puerile rants.
06/12/2020 21:58:41 0 0
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The anti-brexit brigade just don’t want to enjoy the party. They will eventually.
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06/12/2020 12:47:26 35 35
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I still say Johnson should tell the EU what Mrs Thatcher told Delors... do one.
06/12/2020 14:08:53 6 6
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She was a narrowminded bully. He is a narrowminded doormat. Both rubbish leaders.
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06/12/2020 12:46:52 414 195
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What a pantomime And still Johnson and cult trying to save face with idiocy about "sovereignty" Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU but this is about the EU tax committee and those offshore tax havens! The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land.
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06/12/2020 12:50:01 103 220
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The 'idiocy' is what many people voted for. As for tax havens, what's that got to do with the price of chips?
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06/12/2020 12:50:58 17 4
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Too many candidates in the cabinet to play the rear end of the donkey
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06/12/2020 13:00:59 9 33
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Ireland, Luxembourg are just 2 of eus tax avoidance areas. The eu respects every nation. Hahaha. Vaccine share between nations? Budget been agreed between nations yet?
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06/12/2020 13:11:10 8 47
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Sovereignty is what Our Ancestors fought and died for its the reason fools like you live a cushy no account life
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06/12/2020 13:21:27 2 16
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Tosh
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06/12/2020 13:23:21 4 13
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'Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU". Laughable!
What planet are you living on?
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06/12/2020 13:26:14 2 10
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Go for it Parky
You lost last time, or have you forgotten
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06/12/2020 13:32:41 7 8
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Hungary and Poland are not feeling the EU love. Greece was crippled in the financial crisis. Italy and Greece hung out to dry in the migrant crisis. Seriously.. every nation of the EU is respected by the EU... haha. Open your eyes.
06/12/2020 14:07:34 5 5
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Every Nation of the EU is respected by the EU, oh yes we've seen many examples of that from Tiny micron over the last 4 years, you really are deluded if you think the EU hasn't abused the UK, not only over the last 4 years but consistently since we rejected parts of the maastricht treaty, and respect for the rep of ireland referendum was in the form of, we dont like that please vote again...
06/12/2020 14:14:36 3 7
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So you support the EU, because you couldn't beat the Tory Party in the General election. You have this in common with the EU, you only support democratic results, when you win.
06/12/2020 14:20:29 3 6
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France is in disarray. No go ghettos, yellow vests confrontations with the police every week, So Macron tries to stop any deal.
06/12/2020 15:49:50 3 4
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I think you require to look at how the EU has treated Greece for a starter and treating the rest of the southern Europe countries particularly Italy and surely Spain will come under the cosh soon. Macron wants "sovereignty" for the EU providing it is on France's terms.
06/12/2020 16:35:07 2 3
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It takes two to Tango, and as Fox predicted, the EU would never Tango, because they need to punish the UK. But as leavers also said, Germany would be desperate for a deal. They are, read the French Minister's quote and why they will veto any deal. ;-)

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
06/12/2020 18:33:24 2 0
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so we can fully expect the EU to respect the sovereignty of Monaco and the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg?
06/12/2020 20:50:50 0 1
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"The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land".

Now that Labour has come to it's senses and got rid of Corbyn, hopefully there's a chance of that becoming reality. Thankfully America has booted Trump out of the White House and replaced by a leader who doesn't side with Boris on Brexit. Just a pity we've got to wait till 2024 before we finally get rid of him.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
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06/12/2020 12:47:44 1 7
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It's be job done. Indeed.

It's be sad that people can have opinions and be able to vote.
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If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
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It's what they do - about everything. Sometimes on the side of buses...
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06/12/2020 13:16:27 6 16
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A lazy and I'll informed comment.
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06/12/2020 13:26:10 6 17
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Still going on about adverts from four and a half years go?
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How negotiating usually works:

• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement

How Johnson thinks negotiating works:

• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
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Don’t think it is even as planned as you make out. He is a clown.
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Stick to our guns, says something when EU want access to our waters for 10 years. Are we the only ones who play by the rules after the corrupt VW Mercedes emissions fiasco.....all they get is a slap on the wrist. Removed
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If the EU is so desperate for fish from our waters why cannot the UK catch it and sell it to them?
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06/12/2020 13:17:50 5 4
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We are clearly not the only ones who play by the rules.
Because we don't play by the rules.
Rule breaking by VW was not enshrined in law.
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06/12/2020 13:35:09 13 14
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The EU think what's ours is ours and what's yours is also ours.
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06/12/2020 13:37:07 4 4
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Well said borneoboy
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06/12/2020 14:01:39 7 5
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Totally agree. The EU has brow beaten this country for far to long. The only way we could get into their club was by giving them the rights to fish our waters, whilst fishing communities in the UK have died away.
06/12/2020 14:10:11 2 3
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Our fishermen sold them the quotas to fish those fish. Suck it up.
06/12/2020 21:24:36 0 1
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The slight problem that every other car manufacturer was playing the same game as VW. They just got caught.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
What a stupid statement . We’ve never lost sovereignty - we are a parliamentary democracy ffs. Just jingoistic xenophobic nonsense you usually spout Removed
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06/12/2020 12:48:14 909 228
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It's 25 days until we leave the EU and we"re only just rushing to get a deal after years of chances. This is shameful.
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06/12/2020 12:51:01 843 885
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Sorry but only 9 months of negotiation as Labour delayed the initial exit alongside Teresa May, and EU wouldn’t negotiate until we left on 31st Jan 2020.

Fact before fiction.
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06/12/2020 12:51:02 83 134
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That's the EU for you!
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06/12/2020 12:52:33 108 43
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This is how all EU negotiations go. If there was a year extension to the negotiations it would take another year.
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06/12/2020 12:54:12 112 132
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Sorry, you've missed the bus on that one. It's 10 months since we left the EU, January 31st 2020. Suprising how many Remainers don't seem to have grasped that simple point.
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And this is Boris fault? EU have added every proverbial spanner to the works.
That's why we're leaving the EU.
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06/12/2020 13:03:53 50 78
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Of course, that’s how the EU works.
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06/12/2020 13:07:46 74 22
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Wrong

We left on 31 st Jan.

We have already left the EU - it's really not that difficult - it even reminds you in the article.

WE HAVE LEFT

For good or bad

WE HAVE LEFT

But sadly shows how little many in UK understood the debate, given poor campaigns on both sides - re pros/cons of membership.

With neither side able to produce a compelling argument giving a 52 vs 48 split on a 72pc turnout.
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06/12/2020 13:17:07 14 5
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We could have had a much earlier deal if we had conceded everything.
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06/12/2020 13:20:29 22 19
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All EU deals work this way. Last minute job.

I'm just bored of hearing the same old same old.

Just get on with it or move on!
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06/12/2020 13:25:13 5 30
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When your dealing with people who don't respect democracy what do you expect.

EU IS SCARED to death 4 million jobs will go in the Eu with no deal brexit.

And if they give a deL other ls will leave.

EU CAN NOT WIN DEAL OR NO DEAL
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06/12/2020 13:26:10 4 20
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When your dealing with people who don't respect democracy what do you expect.

EU IS SCARED to death 4 million jobs will go in the Eu with no deal brexit.

And if they give a deal other in the Eu will leave.

EU CAN NOT WIN DEAL OR NO DEAL.

They no idea what to do they can not win.
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06/12/2020 13:31:22 14 7
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I don't get it, we let a proven lyer lead our country with lies into disaster
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06/12/2020 13:50:58 5 2
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EU don't want a deal, they want an extension, do you think they were going to agree to a deal before the 11th hour...?
06/12/2020 14:11:00 6 1
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Actually it's 11 months since we left the EU on 31st January 2020

Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

LOL
06/12/2020 14:11:42 6 1
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No it's 25 days until we leave the so called Transition period. The UK left the EU in February.
06/12/2020 14:16:05 2 9
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Blame Labour MPs for the delay. They blocked all attempts!
06/12/2020 14:20:15 2 1
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Takes 2 to tango, have not accepted this from the start.
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06/12/2020 12:48:42 7 10
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Still not announced the extension to April in view of talks overrunning. Guess that will be saved until Parliament is closed for xmas
06/12/2020 14:24:47 5 1
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An extension is not possible without a parliamentary vote. There are only 8 days in parliament before they rise for the Christmas break.
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Please not another HYS on this same old same old
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Divide and rule seems to be the BBCs motive!
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06/12/2020 13:04:51 26 9
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You don’t have to read it.
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06/12/2020 13:08:43 20 8
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It struggles to open HYS on other issues it regularly reports on - I can’t imagine why.

Hence the safe ground of hundreds of angry people repeating themselves ad nausea in a Brexit HYS.
It's coming down to the last few chances to put across the EU perspective and show how unreasonable the British are - as the BBC generally sees things.
06/12/2020 15:18:48 4 4
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Why are you contributing then ?
06/12/2020 16:56:56 3 2
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Said the Leaver
06/12/2020 17:58:32 1 1
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If there wasn't an HYS the same people complaining now about there being an HYS would be complaining about there not being one!

I suspect what the moaners are complaining about today is that the Tory Bot Propaganda Factory were slow into action on this HYS.
06/12/2020 18:55:08 0 0
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But it really cheap therapy for some people!
We won't ge a deal until EU recognises that UK is a free and independant country, they seem to think they can still control us even after we've left their corrupt club. Both sides want A TRADE DEAL so cut the crap Barnier and just talk trade. You cannot come here and steal all our fish and likewise we cannot go to Europe and steal all French grapes, Dutch bilbs and German cars.
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06/12/2020 13:00:40 10 4
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Obviously you fail to understand what access to the European single market requires from those countries who wish to access it. The EU has to, for the sake of their people, insist that entry to outsiders, ie UK, is fair and that the UK abides by the standards within the EU. If not competition is not fair. We used to help write the rules. Now we do not because of Brexit. Do you Understand leavers?
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06/12/2020 12:48:54 18 30
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The true nature of the EU is coming out here.

Perhaps we should ask for access to plant our own vines in their best vineyards in exchange for access to our fishing waters?
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06/12/2020 12:51:55 15 10
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Oh deary me.

Moronic comment.
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06/12/2020 13:15:11 4 2
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Given the state of the world at the moment, wouldn't you agree that a more sharing attitude would improve matters?

However, when it comes to the cause of the dispute over fishing, it was us in the UK that sold off fishing rights in 80s and 90s to other countries.

Now only if the government at that time (by the way, Tory) had put a limit on that and invested in UK fishing there'd be no argument.
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06/12/2020 12:49:00 11 14
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The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.

As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
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06/12/2020 12:51:27 8 14
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Paris made a bid for some of the City of London scrap's from the table of financial services, and failed miserably. As did Frankfurt!
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06/12/2020 12:54:52 5 3
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Everyone in Eu will gain financial services as Boris and co argue about fishing! Idiots.
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06/12/2020 12:55:02 4 2
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We did not gave away our waters our fisher men sold their quota's.
97
06/12/2020 12:54:49 3 4
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British territorial water stops 12 miles offshore ok
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06/12/2020 13:08:36 2 4
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Unfortunately the French are not capable, nor do they have the expertise to run financial services. Britain is “Europe’s investment banker” most of the debt and equity issued by the EU involves financial institutions in Britain. It won't be the UK that suffers if the EU decide to cut themselves off from the UK!
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06/12/2020 12:49:07 107 54
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UK is in Europe, not very similar to Canada and Australia, much bigger countries on the other side of the world who already will have deals. We need to wise up, Brexit is like Germany or Italy going back to the 19th century and splitting back into local states. Brexit will not benefit ordinary people.
81
06/12/2020 12:55:57 53 55
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The fact that the uk is in Europe is irrelevant. Would australia be dictated too by china because its in asia? You just refuse to accept the uk will be independent from eu control.
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06/12/2020 13:02:09 10 1
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Bigger in terms of size but not by population. There is more people in France than in Canada and Australia combined.
06/12/2020 17:41:09 1 1
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Brexit benefits the UK. It is the EU and Germany who will suffer, or do you think the EU keeps telling the City of London it can keep trading out of the goodness of its heart? Or that the French threat to veto because 'Germany wants a deal at any cost' despite claiming otherwise, is a leaver lie

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
06/12/2020 20:08:01 0 1
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It was never intended to benefit the ordinary people, just the disaster capitalists that bought the Tory Part.
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06/12/2020 12:46:12 341 119
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If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
Removed
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06/12/2020 12:46:12 341 119
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If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
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06/12/2020 12:48:27 22 5
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Because HMG knows that UK citizens are powerless to stop it lying.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
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06/12/2020 12:49:27 9 5
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We have already given some of that up with our trade deal with Japan.
Such as 50% of our fisheries quotas? No, of course not.
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06/12/2020 12:49:33 16 24
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A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
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06/12/2020 12:51:14 21 19
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Ill buy French and boycott British .
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06/12/2020 12:53:38 1 4
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Does that include EDF. It'll be a bit dark and a bit cold but if you say so....
I couldn't give a damn about posturing politicians. I will buy what I like, from where I like.
95
06/12/2020 12:53:54 3 5
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Buy British? What commodities or goods are we talking of? Lets go back to the 60s with overpriced tat that disappeared when the competition turned up started with the Japanese btw
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06/12/2020 12:44:18 16 34
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Any deal will be strictly on our terms EU!
28
06/12/2020 12:48:39 15 11
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nope where have YOU been ? I expect you'd be happy with a ruined economy
29
06/12/2020 12:49:55 17 11
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The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
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06/12/2020 12:52:02 16 6
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Look back at History and see it was the Tories that short changed the fisher men before and will again.
56
06/12/2020 12:52:49 2 4
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And where will we sell the fish 805 is exported to EU.
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06/12/2020 12:56:53 2 2
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Fleet will move to NI ??and stay in EU free trade,... Whats big deal with fishing anyway, some big shops creating more for the economy than a few old boats, who sell to the EU in first place
11
06/12/2020 12:46:52 414 195
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What a pantomime And still Johnson and cult trying to save face with idiocy about "sovereignty" Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU but this is about the EU tax committee and those offshore tax havens! The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land.
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06/12/2020 12:50:01 103 220
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The 'idiocy' is what many people voted for. As for tax havens, what's that got to do with the price of chips?
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06/12/2020 12:58:09 48 4
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Well Reddy, the EU tax committee being born is what led the ERG to be born, who told you a pack of lies and then offered you a referendum off the back of it. If you voted for idiocy that I accept IS your choice that the wealthy gave you btw If we hadn't have left the EU tax committee would have been able to pile into those offshore tax dens from Jan 1 2021 starting with Gibraltar is this clear
324
06/12/2020 13:15:49 43 4
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The Tory press owners like tax havens. Simples:)
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06/12/2020 13:17:42 3 1
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Fish!!
381
06/12/2020 13:17:05 41 5
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Many people? Only 30 pc of the total electorate voted for Leave after a campaign of lies and promises not kept
428
06/12/2020 13:24:00 2 6
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It must be great to be so superior to 17.4 million idiots.
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06/12/2020 13:29:57 5 13
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Red Neck we voted to leave and that is what we have done. Can anybody understand this? The deal is not so easy as the EU want to punish us so others won’t leave as well. We should help the Italians leave as well as the Polish people Etc.
The EU is a broken model.
Let the French eat cake instigated our fish
06/12/2020 14:04:01 8 4
bbc
Every trade deal involves pooling a little sovereignty. The Brexit elite didn’t tel out that did they?

Brexit is and always has been utterly pointless.
06/12/2020 14:11:44 7 3
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Your referendum ballot said "Leave with no deal" did it?

Mine certainly made no mention of "No deal!"

And you are happy for our glorious leaders to hide all their money in tax havens, and then complain about evil Amazon not paying enough tax?
06/12/2020 15:36:52 3 2
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Tax havens is why the Tories do not want to be part of the EU, They feel threatened in their back pocket. Better to make the rest of the people pay so that they can keep all their money safe from prying eyes.
06/12/2020 18:11:00 1 1
bbc
I think the EU has just introduced legislation making it harder for people to keep money in tax havens/or at least to make more of it taxable. It has been said that some Conservative MPs (and probably others) have a big personal interest in not being subject to this legislation.
06/12/2020 18:27:56 2 1
bbc
If you don't, it's no wonder you were duped into voting Leave.
The EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Measures limit various common ways the rich (& corporations) use to reduce their tax bill. It was supposed to come into force on 1 Jan 2019 but countries had 1 year's grace. UK (of course) used that (and ignored it in Jan 2020).
Tory sponsors have paid millions to get a Brexit that will save their lucre.
06/12/2020 19:46:43 2 1
bbc
The impending restrictions on tax havens are the reason why wealthy Brexiteers wanted us to leave the EU. So it actually des have something to do with the price of chips
06/12/2020 20:41:03 2 0
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Those who can't afford chips let them eat Frenchie fish from EU Waters.
UK Fish for UK Fishermen
Go fish yourselves, Frenchies...
We are OVER & OUT.
5
06/12/2020 12:46:12 341 119
bbc
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
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Dee
06/12/2020 12:50:04 20 4
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Because people voted for sovereignty and anything below that, such as giving up British fishing rights or being forced into a 'level playing field', would be politically bad for Johnson and the Tories, who promised full independence.
06/12/2020 19:09:04 0 0
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unlike Momentum.
"So the German car industry and others must be lobbying EU governments hard to use these two extra days of talks to finally seal the deal, right? Wrong."

Well there doesn't appear to be any criticism in EU countries of the Commission over the failure to pre-order any Pfizer vaccine, so why would we expect any of the normal democratic scrutiny over a trade deal that will only cost them jobs?
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06/12/2020 12:52:14 4 3
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Not the case on either count thanks
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06/12/2020 12:50:15 778 162
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“There is no plan for no deal because we're going to get a great deal.” (Boris Johnson, 11 July 2017)
Nothing to worry about then as we all know that Johnson is always true to his word. Isn't he?
Quite a lot more than most politicians. Very soon there'll be a trade deal, a vaccine, and Brexit pretty much sorted. He'll be judged on those things.

So it could be a lot worse.
06/12/2020 14:55:38 5 21
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I think you will find he was talking about the withdrawal agreement, which the opposition parties did ever thing they could to stall. BJ delivered this days after winning the GE.
06/12/2020 15:25:56 5 23
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He and most thought the EU had enough respect for us that they would give us a deal. As it happens, they treat us with contempt.

Glad we left.
06/12/2020 15:47:58 6 19
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If the EU were to stop telling us which parts of what is rightfully ours to begin with, we would have a ‘great’ deal. As the EU don’t understand that concept and their chief negotiator is a bit slow, it’s proving quite difficult to get any deal.
I don’t know what Barnier is getting paid, but it’s too much, or is he just milking the situation?
06/12/2020 15:59:53 22 6
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We could also add:
- world beating track and trace
- we have an oven-ready deal
- we'll send Covid packing in 12 weeks
- no border checks in Ireland
- extra 350m/week for the NHS
... and the list goes on and on...

Us Brits love being lied to. That's why we blindly follow Boris (aka Baby Trump).

#how the Brits mugged themselves
Bob
06/12/2020 17:15:46 0 5
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He is our great leader his bloodline should replace the royal one ......
06/12/2020 19:12:30 1 1
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Boris was not in power in 2017
06/12/2020 20:00:33 1 1
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Change the record will you
06/12/2020 20:14:51 1 0
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Completely!
06/12/2020 20:56:18 0 1
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Mr F Business
??
2
06/12/2020 12:44:55 1063 522
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How negotiating usually works:

• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement

How Johnson thinks negotiating works:

• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
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06/12/2020 12:50:20 74 17
bbc
Sadly and embarrassingly true. Remember oven ready etc.
If you had paid any attention, you would know that that was a reference to the Withdrawal Agreement. But when did remainers ever pay attention to detail? Just hyperbole and histrionics as you can read here.
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06/12/2020 12:50:29 12 19
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EU trying to pull a fast one again. Level Playing Fields, State Aid and Governance are covered by WTO rules and as we are both members of the WTO there are no need for any extra EU rules. As for fishing, our fishing waters are guaranteed by International Law, do the EU really want to break it by fishing illegally?
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06/12/2020 12:54:02 4 4
bbc
Do you don't want free access to the Single Market?

OK, no problem
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06/12/2020 12:57:37 2 2
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EU will only fish illegaly in a limited and specific way.
37
06/12/2020 12:50:32 12 6
bbc
He can not make a deal because he will up set someone and politically he can not do that.
261
06/12/2020 13:12:55 15 7
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He can't afford to offend his wealthy party donors and colleagues who stand to benefit from the market disruption expected due to a no-deal Brexit (that they've been preparing for for years).

It'll be the rest of us who pay the price, as usual.

I wonder who the Brexiteers will blame when the blame can no longer be placed at the door of the EU (a mantra pushed by UK governments for years)?
518
06/12/2020 13:30:39 1 1
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And who is that?
6
06/12/2020 12:46:22 96 60
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Brexit has become a car crash.
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rne
06/12/2020 12:50:33 92 38
bbc
It always was! Just that some people are incapable of recognizing reality and prefer empty slogans. Now we see the true value of all the bragging by the Brexit lobby. We are a small country and it ill-becomes us to make empty threats. Pigeons coming home to roost?
06/12/2020 19:10:37 1 0
bbc
For some sensible context, by population the UK is placed 21st in world rankings. Only Germany has a larger population in terms of EU members.
06/12/2020 22:01:58 0 1
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Let’s hope so. Coo!
39
bbc
I know one shouldn't judge by appearances but looking at Lord Fox pudgy, without a tie and bad suit and Michel Barnier looking very smart . I think that says it all . Smarten up Fox Removed
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DVa
06/12/2020 12:48:14 909 228
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It's 25 days until we leave the EU and we"re only just rushing to get a deal after years of chances. This is shameful.
40
06/12/2020 12:51:01 843 885
bbc
Sorry but only 9 months of negotiation as Labour delayed the initial exit alongside Teresa May, and EU wouldn’t negotiate until we left on 31st Jan 2020.

Fact before fiction.
75
06/12/2020 12:54:48 210 98
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Don't try to blame this on anyone else. This is the Tory's fault and brexiteers fault for believing them.
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06/12/2020 13:13:49 52 20
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Facts Tigger are that you cannot add up. Boris won the election last December ( a year ago). Then elected to chose the shortest of possible time spans in which to negotiate a deal. It was not Labours choice. Obviously. Again a Brexiteers version of fact is different (read incorrect) as compared to anyone else.
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06/12/2020 13:07:12 49 12
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Who has been negotiating? But it's all Labour's fault. Grow up
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06/12/2020 13:17:51 63 12
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Hi Tigger, funny I thought it was the ERG in the Conservative party that delayed getting an exit deal by voting against their own government. As you say Fiction before fact!
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06/12/2020 13:21:53 53 7
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How many of the Tory ERG members who kept voting against Teresa May are Labour MPs? Last time I checked none of the Tory ERG members are Labour MPs but they kept voting against Teresa May's deal. Plus if memory serves me correctly I even think the conservative MP for Uxbridge voted against Teresa May's deal but I can't recall his name although he does have blonde hair.

Fact before fiction.
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06/12/2020 13:22:36 40 9
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Not to mention erg + Boris cronies blocking votes all the time. Far more destructive than labour.
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06/12/2020 13:23:39 41 7
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Tory government with DUP partners had a parliamentary majority but failed their own vote thanks to BJ and ERG disaster capitalists. Tories spent March-October 2019 doing nothing but choosing a leader, then going on summer recess, then trying to prorogue parliament instead of negotiating a deal that could get through parliament.
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06/12/2020 13:25:13 20 3
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But not complete facts, eh? May had a majority had the ERG not voted her measures down....they have now got what they want, Labour did not.
Regardless, we will very soon see how this stupid act of self-harm plays out....
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mdb
06/12/2020 13:26:24 21 3
bbc
You are conveniently forgetting that the Govt had a majority and even when they lost it bunged the DUP a wad of ££ to support them, so there was nothing Labour could do to stop brexit
over the 4 years 2016-2020 delays & voting down of deals has come from one faction of the tory party or another. Not least the ardent brexiteer's lead by Boris, reece- mogg et al.
Credit where its due please?
484
06/12/2020 13:28:01 3 2
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Isn't that just the same point DVa was making but now you're trying to say only one party is at fault? Sorry, they've *all* screwed the pooch on this one.
486
06/12/2020 13:28:11 21 2
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You do know that Labour have not been in government for over 10 years. Tory party has had a majority (with DUP help) since the referendum. Any delay isdown to their own MP's & allies.
494
06/12/2020 13:28:59 9 2
bbc
Fact- negotiations couldn’t start until article 50 was signed, you seem to have missed that minor detail.
505
06/12/2020 13:30:06 0 5
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Labour, conservatives, liberals , SNP etc. You have a short memory
539
06/12/2020 13:32:03 5 11
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It wasnt 9 months of negotiation, it was 9 months of Theresa may caving in
583
06/12/2020 13:34:39 4 4
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Strange how the truth gets so many thumbs down isn't it!
713
06/12/2020 13:42:50 15 3
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The ERG were responsible for the delays.
827
06/12/2020 13:51:11 12 3
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Wrong Tigger the ERG prevented TM getting a deal FACT before fiction no more Winnie the POO either
834
06/12/2020 13:52:15 14 4
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Hang on. Labour repeatedly said it wouldn't back a Brexit deal unless there was a customs union in it - which the Tories refused. And then turned down every chance for cross-party agreement on Brexit afterwards.
Tory ERG zealots then torpedo May's deal and majority.

Really not sure what reality you live in if you think that's Labour's fault...
899
06/12/2020 13:56:46 7 3
bbc
There were hundreds of Tory MPs that voted against May including the alcoholic Johnson
907
06/12/2020 13:57:21 10 3
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Umm let’s not try and rewrite history shall we...

Theresa May had a Brexit deal not too dissimilar from boris’ deal, it was boris and the erg that caused the most delays as they wanted power for themselves. To say otherwise is disingenuous
909
06/12/2020 13:57:35 9 2
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How exactly Tories have always had a majority , The fact they had no plan has always been the problem. As previous posters have stated the blame game.
980
06/12/2020 14:02:23 7 4
bbc
Wouldn't have made any difference - we would be where we are right now throwing away the best deal we had for some undefined benefits to make some people feel they are more in control when they won't be
06/12/2020 14:13:10 7 4
bbc
There was two years for negotiation between invoking article 50 and Jan 2020. We spaffed it away with Tory leadership changes and a general election.
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DVa
06/12/2020 12:48:14 909 228
bbc
It's 25 days until we leave the EU and we"re only just rushing to get a deal after years of chances. This is shameful.
41
06/12/2020 12:51:02 83 134
bbc
That's the EU for you!
42
06/12/2020 12:51:07 4 2
bbc
There are at least 3 ways of looking at this:

1. We shot our bolt by recalling talks as the other side know that if we were going to walk, yesterday would have been the natural point. It suggests we won’t walk despite the rhetoric.

2. It allows Johnson time to get his ducks in a row to walk.

3. We’ll kick the can...

There is no news in interpretation so we’ll just have to wait & see I suppose
43
06/12/2020 12:51:11 10 13
bbc
Bungling still cannot march the dafties back down the hill.
Dear Bungling at your feet we leave the economic mess of your lies, ineptitude and lack of leadership.
27
06/12/2020 12:49:33 16 24
bbc
A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
44
06/12/2020 12:51:14 21 19
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Ill buy French and boycott British .
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06/12/2020 12:58:28 3 4
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I'll buy whatever's the best, i.e. probably not British.
22
06/12/2020 12:49:00 11 14
bbc
The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.

As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
45
06/12/2020 12:51:27 8 14
bbc
Paris made a bid for some of the City of London scrap's from the table of financial services, and failed miserably. As did Frankfurt!
46
06/12/2020 12:51:48 9 13
bbc
Brexit is NOTHING to do with the British public. NEVER FORGET
66
06/12/2020 12:53:38 8 1
bbc
Except that they voted for it.
47
06/12/2020 12:51:53 826 76
bbc
Prepare for the next phase - Blame Game.
166
06/12/2020 13:03:01 973 397
bbc
That started in 2016. It's the fault of anyone and everyone apart from Brexit voters.
171
06/12/2020 13:03:38 239 61
bbc
That’s how it all started - blaming foreigners for our own problems.
432
06/12/2020 13:24:12 212 69
bbc
Even if Boris gets 100% ofbwhat he's asking for it's a disaster for the UK. He's asking for the end of free trade in services (50% of our EU exports). He's asking for customs red tape and delays to hamper our manufacturing. He's celebrating removing freedom of movement so the employees of UK firms can't work at EU client sites without visa.
614
06/12/2020 13:36:41 246 79
bbc
Already done mate - it's everyone else's fault except the people that voted for it.

Brexiters could drive their car into a wall and blame the wall.
703
06/12/2020 13:42:24 45 11
bbc
Blame game isn’t the next phase. There’s already a daily HYS on it (inc weekends).
738
06/12/2020 13:45:10 92 46
bbc
You can see from the EU’s point of view they want the UK to be seen to have a bad deal to warn other EU countries of the dangers of leaving. Also there are elections coming up in France so Macron wants to look strong.
880
06/12/2020 13:55:21 91 20
bbc
Blame the foreigners. That's exactly what the owners of the Express, Mail, Sun and Telegraph want you to do. The same billionaires who conned a lot of you to vote leave, so they could dodge their taxes.
06/12/2020 14:03:48 59 23
bbc
Easy, I blame leave voters
06/12/2020 14:19:22 21 7
bbc
Yep, remainers have consistently (and bizarrely) blamed brexiteers for Brexit and I'm sure they'll continue in the same vein.
06/12/2020 14:36:42 11 41
bbc
We are Soon to be completely rid of that vile and pernicious EU, it is like Christmas has come early.
Enjoy
merry Xmas everyone
06/12/2020 15:12:21 4 12
bbc
Wow, you’re so clever, please don’t stop there, enlighten us all, explain who is going to start blame game?
06/12/2020 15:13:18 8 5
bbc
Oh that is already happening. But wait until May of next year, when the severe economic impact of Brexit on the Scottish national economy filters through. As it will, for HM Government have already proved that in a 2016 report they tried to hide and them made secret.

Do you think the people of Scotland are willing to be the UK worst off because of Brexit, or will they vote something else?
06/12/2020 15:14:06 3 3
bbc
Ohh no it isn't!!!!

Sorry, It is pantomime season.
06/12/2020 15:33:45 15 5
bbc
Cant wait until the turkeys who voted for Brexit start getting smashed by the consequences.
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06/12/2020 12:48:54 18 30
bbc
The true nature of the EU is coming out here.

Perhaps we should ask for access to plant our own vines in their best vineyards in exchange for access to our fishing waters?
48
06/12/2020 12:51:55 15 10
bbc
Oh deary me.

Moronic comment.
19
06/12/2020 12:48:46 206 79
bbc
Please not another HYS on this same old same old
49
06/12/2020 12:51:57 226 128
bbc
Divide and rule seems to be the BBCs motive!
189
06/12/2020 13:05:05 27 13
bbc
You seem to be confusing the BBC with the daily fail.
270
06/12/2020 13:13:38 23 20
bbc
Cod and Chips

"Divide and rule seems to be the BBCs motive!"

? ? ?

I presume that was a typo? You surely mean - "Divide and rule seems to be the Tory motive!"
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06/12/2020 13:09:09 24 16
bbc
I think you're talking about the Tory party
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06/12/2020 13:31:44 25 11
bbc
What?

The BBC are reporting on the people who deliberately divided this country to acquire power, something i might add every political party does and has done so since the dawn of time!

The Tory party caused this current disaster, split the country on an issue only they really cared about and you accuse the BBC of causing the division by reporting it?

Two words. Cognitive Dissidence.
06/12/2020 14:12:27 11 4
bbc
This is why they join in smearing Corbyn and propping up Johnson, and then push identity politics. These people just want us to squabble amongst ourselves while they empty our pockets. It's all by design.
06/12/2020 16:21:12 5 2
bbc
What rubbish. In case you haven’t noticed, what is happening is actually real life. The BBC are reporting it dummy.
06/12/2020 16:57:48 3 2
bbc
Says the Leaver who voted against his kids because.... well, because.....
06/12/2020 17:11:24 1 2
bbc
That’s what we say in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It is a British institution after all!
06/12/2020 17:58:21 0 0
bbc
If you don't like it, leave. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
06/12/2020 18:20:53 2 1
bbc
Divide & rule is Boris’s modus operandi.
06/12/2020 18:58:07 0 1
bbc
Don't blame the BBC for what politicians and the Daily Express caused.
06/12/2020 19:58:20 0 0
bbc
Yet here you are again.
06/12/2020 23:37:49 1 0
bbc
Too deep. Remain bais is the BBC's rule.
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06/12/2020 12:49:55 17 11
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The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
50
06/12/2020 12:52:02 16 6
bbc
Look back at History and see it was the Tories that short changed the fisher men before and will again.
I bet Farage will be spewing more bile soon when the deal is done and dusted.... Removed
6
06/12/2020 12:46:22 96 60
bbc
Brexit has become a car crash.
52
06/12/2020 12:52:24 9 8
bbc
Car crash more like a motorway pile up.
5
06/12/2020 12:46:12 341 119
bbc
If only the Government would tell the truth about fishing. No matter what happens, we don't get 100% control. Why do they keep lying?
53
06/12/2020 12:52:28 24 14
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Fishing is a red herring. We sell most of it to the EU, British trawlers are heavily manned by EU crewmen because our youngsters can't get out of bed and it's a minuscule part of the economy. Get over it.
06/12/2020 14:16:53 4 4
bbc
"our youngsters can't get out of bed"

Would -you- want to work on a trawler, for the risks and rewards they get?
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DVa
06/12/2020 12:48:14 909 228
bbc
It's 25 days until we leave the EU and we"re only just rushing to get a deal after years of chances. This is shameful.
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06/12/2020 12:52:33 108 43
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This is how all EU negotiations go. If there was a year extension to the negotiations it would take another year.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
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rne
06/12/2020 12:52:45 5 7
bbc
Not only is the sentiment nonsense but so also is the grammar.
29
06/12/2020 12:49:55 17 11
bbc
The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
56
06/12/2020 12:52:49 2 4
bbc
And where will we sell the fish 805 is exported to EU.
3
06/12/2020 12:44:18 16 34
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Any deal will be strictly on our terms EU!
57
06/12/2020 12:53:00 3 2
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That’s why there won’t be one! Negotiations are about give and take to work through to get amicable agreements, then later you go tweaking the bits. Arrogance in a negotiation is childish and ignorant
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06/12/2020 12:53:02 390 111
bbc
WHERE IS THE EASIEST TRADE DEAL IN HISTORY?!? “Oh but it’s the EUs fault”.... amusing thing is the prophecy that we were never going to get a favourable deal is fast becoming a reality that will cause no end of economic hurt.

Project fear? More like project reality.
548
06/12/2020 13:32:37 95 245
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In your case, project rubbish.
06/12/2020 16:15:01 10 2
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Only 25 more days until project reality my friend....
06/12/2020 16:33:29 2 6
bbc
If you knew where that phrase came from, you'd be embarrassed at using it, because it was the first part of Liam Fox's statement, here's the second parts "only EU politics could stop it" - here's the EU politics that will stop it. ;-)

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/04/france-preparing-for-a-no-deal-brexit-amid-london-trade-talks
06/12/2020 17:26:35 2 8
bbc
Even so if you're premise is right don't leave the EU because they will be nasty to us not a good reason to stay in is it The trouble belly aching about it isn't going to make for a better outcome What you do now is to make the most of it and like it or not you were out numbered in the vote so get on with life
06/12/2020 17:28:12 1 11
bbc
Does your brain not compute the eu is so angry were leaving and still want to punish us grow up and stop lying your embarrassing yourself AGAIN
06/12/2020 18:06:57 1 12
bbc
Well, a lot of us would've taken no-deal instead of the Withdrawal Agreement and the waste of the last five years.

The only reason we didn't is the anti-democratic nonsense the losers that voted to remain have continually thrown up. You lost, get over it, try and support the country you live in or go live in the EU if it's such a nirvana.
06/12/2020 19:37:18 1 1
bbc
utter nonsense, only you and people like you are making these totally spurious predictions. Total hyprocrisy.
06/12/2020 20:08:05 1 0
bbc
I thought US had the easiest 0ven Ready (TM) deal with China, back in 2016..

That went well..
06/12/2020 21:30:39 1 1
bbc
Such an original comment.
06/12/2020 23:30:52 1 0
bbc
Still at it! Standing on the stern of the Titanic shouting this ship can't sink?
07/12/2020 00:13:29 1 1
bbc
It was bollocks and this was never about trade but in a capitalist society you have to make the economic case to justify it, even if it's a load of crap
59
06/12/2020 12:53:05 1 10
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Who cares about this ?
60
06/12/2020 12:53:19 15 15
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I hope all you nationalistic lot on here are happy with the real reason for the government wanting no deal . To enable the big companies to carry on not paying what they should , and so in the process , directly harming YOU
997
06/12/2020 14:03:05 1 3
bbc
Truth will never be welcomed when lies are more friendly and others can be blamed.
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06/12/2020 12:49:27 9 5
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We have already given some of that up with our trade deal with Japan.
Such as 50% of our fisheries quotas? No, of course not.
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06/12/2020 12:53:26 8 21
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Dear EU,

Don't give them a deal.

Boris is a liar. I know you don't trust him.

Please, please please, let them suffer.

Yours,

The Thinking People.
Removed
256
06/12/2020 13:04:54 1 2
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Freedom of movement didn't have one advantage for the British working class. When we voted to leave, we had 6 million working in poverty, in the UK.
Remain supporters supported multinationals and low wages over the working class. They were blind to their sufferings.
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06/12/2020 13:10:19 1 1
bbc
So the EU will allow to have 20% of own sovereign waters back.
2
06/12/2020 12:44:55 1063 522
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How negotiating usually works:

• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement

How Johnson thinks negotiating works:

• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
63
06/12/2020 12:53:26 27 90
bbc
The EU don't compromise and thankfully neither do we!
688
06/12/2020 13:41:37 11 6
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Oh sure 1 little island taking on the on the whole EU. Man alive
64
06/12/2020 12:53:37 14 15
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If the rich elites would admit that Britain never lost its sovereignty then we could all get back to normality and focus on Covid.

Alas, they stand to make too much money out of Brexit.
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06/12/2020 13:02:11 2 6
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Sovereignty is the authority of a state to govern itself, cameron went with the begging bowl to try and regain some sovereignty and was told to do one.
Hence the vote to leave.
06/12/2020 15:21:53 0 1
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I think EU membership - long term - federal future etc. - did constitute an existential threat to the Tory-Betty-Union show
I thought that was great
I still think Brexit now constitutes the same level of threat to said 'establishment'
I also think that's great
27
06/12/2020 12:49:33 16 24
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A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
65
06/12/2020 12:53:38 1 4
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Does that include EDF. It'll be a bit dark and a bit cold but if you say so....
46
06/12/2020 12:51:48 9 13
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Brexit is NOTHING to do with the British public. NEVER FORGET
66
06/12/2020 12:53:38 8 1
bbc
Except that they voted for it.
I bet Farage will be spewing more bile soon when the deal is done and dusted.... Removed
67
06/12/2020 12:53:40 4 10
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What, like Gina Miller?
27
06/12/2020 12:49:33 16 24
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A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
I couldn't give a damn about posturing politicians. I will buy what I like, from where I like.
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06/12/2020 12:53:57 52 19
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Bojo and co have one big problem
Nobody trusts them or anything they say
155
06/12/2020 13:01:18 19 35
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But you trust the EU. Boris has already put into law, that freedom of movement stops. I trust him.
295
06/12/2020 13:08:29 2 9
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I bet you wish you had accepted May's deal now!!!
4 years of siding with the EU against your own country. 4 years of believing a media that supported multinationals over the democratic process. We are free from the EU. Boris kept his word about the freedom of movement.
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06/12/2020 12:50:29 12 19
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EU trying to pull a fast one again. Level Playing Fields, State Aid and Governance are covered by WTO rules and as we are both members of the WTO there are no need for any extra EU rules. As for fishing, our fishing waters are guaranteed by International Law, do the EU really want to break it by fishing illegally?
70
06/12/2020 12:54:02 4 4
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Do you don't want free access to the Single Market?

OK, no problem
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DVa
06/12/2020 12:48:14 909 228
bbc
It's 25 days until we leave the EU and we"re only just rushing to get a deal after years of chances. This is shameful.
71
06/12/2020 12:54:12 112 132
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Sorry, you've missed the bus on that one. It's 10 months since we left the EU, January 31st 2020. Suprising how many Remainers don't seem to have grasped that simple point.
882
06/12/2020 13:55:27 4 4
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And a lot of brexiteers, too....
72
06/12/2020 12:54:14 11 9
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stock up on tinned goods now.
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06/12/2020 13:02:04 2 2
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And toilet roll, no doubt.
73
06/12/2020 12:54:24 156 69
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For the EU the whole point of a "Deal" is to stop Brexit from being an obvious success.
For them to sign up to a deal it MUST castrate Brexit to a large degree.
So will Boris stab Brexit in the back? - we shall see....
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06/12/2020 13:00:55 227 67
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If the EU point of a deal was to stop Brexit being a success surely they would just do a No Deal as by every credible Economic source that would cause short to medium disaster to the UK economy. The fact they are still in talks is a miracle as far as I'm concerned especially when the government are already planning to break the last agreement they signed with them.
890
06/12/2020 13:56:16 3 5
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I've read this comment a few times but it still has no meaning.
06/12/2020 16:26:54 4 2
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French Secretary of State for European Affairs, Clément Beaune -
" EU granting too many concessions to the UK, in order to avoid a no-deal scenario on December 31.

'We will hold out until the last moment' says Germany On the contrary, Germany, which holds the rotating presidency of the EU and the European Commission, is seeking an agreement "at all costs".
06/12/2020 18:36:58 3 0
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They were obviously pretty safe.
Brexit was never going to be any sort of success (unless you think blue passports are worth a few million unemployed).
But to look at it slightly differently, the EU can't give UK tariff free access to their Single Market with less burden of payments and regulations than members have.
The countries whose products are similar to our exports would surely veto that.
06/12/2020 19:21:19 1 1
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I doubt the EU wants a deal at all. It is a political animal increasingly built on coercion - better for EU to let a deal be scuppered, take the short term pain, then claim some ‘moral’ high ground and use it to beat up dissenters in the ranks. And the UK out of the way there is a clear path to the glorious project from the last century, the youthful dreams of a bunch of old white men.
06/12/2020 23:46:15 1 1
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Well spotted. Are we the only sane people in the UK? We face a few minor disruptions. They face a crumbling edifice.
As long as they deliver sovereignty, it's be job done.
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06/12/2020 12:54:34 7 9
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Sovereignty is utterly meaningless in the today's global market. It's a concept which became irrelevant a hundred years ago.
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06/12/2020 13:05:43 6 5
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Tell that to china or russia or iran or well any nation.
40
06/12/2020 12:51:01 843 885
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Sorry but only 9 months of negotiation as Labour delayed the initial exit alongside Teresa May, and EU wouldn’t negotiate until we left on 31st Jan 2020.

Fact before fiction.
75
06/12/2020 12:54:48 210 98
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Don't try to blame this on anyone else. This is the Tory's fault and brexiteers fault for believing them.
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06/12/2020 12:49:00 11 14
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The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.

As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
76
06/12/2020 12:54:52 5 3
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Everyone in Eu will gain financial services as Boris and co argue about fishing! Idiots.
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06/12/2020 12:49:00 11 14
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The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.

As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
77
06/12/2020 12:55:02 4 2
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We did not gave away our waters our fisher men sold their quota's.
78
06/12/2020 12:55:28 10 10
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Brexit, an avoidable farce.
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06/12/2020 12:56:45 5 3
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We already left the EU
79
06/12/2020 12:55:45 13 10
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Boris is playing to the brexit cult.

They will cheer and holler at "no deal".

He wants to look a hero.

But even he knows..... this is fatal.

Ditch Boris ?
80
06/12/2020 12:55:57 51 5
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It will be interesting to see how Buy British works out. People have been threatening it for 5 years but have not bothered and continued to buy on price.
294
06/12/2020 13:14:35 62 4
bbc
It’s not just price. Britain’s not self-sufficient in food and goods.
06/12/2020 15:00:52 6 2
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Plus materials will need to be imported...at WTO prices.
xlr
06/12/2020 17:42:30 2 2
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It's difficult to know what is British. You can slap a sticker on something but most of it can still be sourced from imported materials. Even British meat could still be fed with imported fodder.

Boris' 'bonfire of the regulations' is set to just make that worse. Under a weak deal, the US could copyright the Made in Britain label with no legal issues whatsoever.
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06/12/2020 12:49:07 107 54
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UK is in Europe, not very similar to Canada and Australia, much bigger countries on the other side of the world who already will have deals. We need to wise up, Brexit is like Germany or Italy going back to the 19th century and splitting back into local states. Brexit will not benefit ordinary people.
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06/12/2020 12:55:57 53 55
bbc
The fact that the uk is in Europe is irrelevant. Would australia be dictated too by china because its in asia? You just refuse to accept the uk will be independent from eu control.
735
06/12/2020 13:44:59 12 7
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It is not irrelevant, and until we left we were an equal partner with a say and a veto, not "dictated to", negotiating a deal means that EU actually have a say in it! and it is not a case of UK demanding and getting everything it wants. You just refuse to accept that a no deal will cause huge problems. Brexiteers need to grow up.
973
06/12/2020 14:02:02 9 4
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I think you know this analogy is not very honest as nobody would want to be ruled by China anywhere in the western world. The EU does not rule any European country and I think you know this as well.
06/12/2020 15:05:00 10 2
bbc
Oceania, not Asia.
06/12/2020 15:49:55 4 5
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Australia grovels to China as does every country in the Pacific Rim.
xlr
06/12/2020 17:26:46 8 4
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But the UK *won't* be independent from EU control. It is a huge trade bloc just off our shores and our major trading partner, and has trade deals with all of the world. And it isn't going away.

Manufacturers in the UK must still produce for an EU market if they hope to sell enough to break even, for example. All we did is throw away any control we did have.
06/12/2020 19:13:11 0 0
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A UK that sweeps away regulations on workers' rights, consumer protection and environmental constraints while deliberately subsidising competing industry is a real threat to EU economies (and not great for most Britons).
China is bullying Australia!
Australia has already signed EU protocols and China faces high tariffs. Distance reduces the trade threat from both.
UK has choices.
06/12/2020 19:56:24 0 0
bbc
Australia isn't in Asia so your point is?
06/12/2020 20:09:16 1 1
bbc
Australia isn't in Asia. Clearly your grasp of geopgraphy is on a par with your grasp of economics.
06/12/2020 23:59:59 0 1
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Transport costs have been almost negligible in trade for well over a century. You know, like steamships got invented. Distance is irrelevant. And your second point is nothing to do with your first. Bewilderment.
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06/12/2020 12:50:09 4 2
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Im sure they will be stopping for Christmas break soon and the talks will resume after that, then a month for easter hols and 2 months of in the summer. While wonder ministers get little done.
4 years and nothing achieved.
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06/12/2020 12:44:55 1063 522
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How negotiating usually works:

• State initial positions
• Both sides compromise
• Settlement

How Johnson thinks negotiating works:

• Promise a great deal
• Appeal to jingoists at home
• Ludicrous lying
• Demonstrate bad faith by reneging on past deals
• Spin it as other side's fault
• More lying
• Threaten to renege on more things
• Again pander to jingoists
• Walk away
• Come back
• Walk away
83
06/12/2020 12:50:09 63 13
bbc
One thing wrong Johnson DIDN'T renege on a "past deal" he is trying to destroy an international treaty Apart from the spoons crowd no one will let him
He has a duty to defend the Good Friday Agreement and the UK internal market.

No deal is better than a bad deal.
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06/12/2020 12:46:52 414 195
bbc
What a pantomime And still Johnson and cult trying to save face with idiocy about "sovereignty" Every nation of the EU is respected by the EU but this is about the EU tax committee and those offshore tax havens! The sooner Johnson is unseated the better for the people of our land.
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06/12/2020 12:50:58 17 4
bbc
Too many candidates in the cabinet to play the rear end of the donkey
85
06/12/2020 12:51:54 7 6
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Ok let me save your time and sum up this HYS: Whinge, whinge, 'I can't accept a democratic vote' ... Bleat, bleat 'The election didn't go my way either' Moan; moan 'Jeremy didn't win' Carp; carp...Etc; etc; etc....Ad infinitum.
935
06/12/2020 13:59:31 1 2
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I am a remainer who accepts the result and looks forward to you paying the price of your superb victory against sense. I too have won. I have won the right to watch and titter.
86
06/12/2020 12:52:01 7 2
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Leavers will be optimistic, remainers will be pessimistic, nothing new to report like this HYS
283
06/12/2020 13:07:48 3 2
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So Leavers. Prithee tell what you are optimistic about.... let’s hear it..
"So the German car industry and others must be lobbying EU governments hard to use these two extra days of talks to finally seal the deal, right? Wrong."

Well there doesn't appear to be any criticism in EU countries of the Commission over the failure to pre-order any Pfizer vaccine, so why would we expect any of the normal democratic scrutiny over a trade deal that will only cost them jobs?
87
06/12/2020 12:52:14 4 3
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Not the case on either count thanks
88
06/12/2020 12:52:41 8 10
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Yet another HYS on Brexit where the Neanderthal remainers screech like prairie dogs.
I voted remain but we lost.
We must now back our country and not allow the EU mega project where no countries will exist in 20 years to dictate how we run as an independent state.
I saw both sides of argument but just favored remain hoping we could change from within.
Now we must protect UK over EU
277
06/12/2020 13:07:09 0 5
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Aha! We haven’t had “ I voted Remain but..” for a long time!

Let’s face it if you were a Remain voter you wouldn’t be making such a crass comment.
89
06/12/2020 12:53:12 5 12
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EU dictatorship has to change and respect democracy.

Not only with the United Kingdom but also within its member states.
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06/12/2020 13:05:25 1 2
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But Johnson told us the negotiations would be easy and wonderful Brexit Bounties..
The EU and the Nations within the EU seem
content that it’s No Deal.
Doesn’t look much like a Dictatorship if individual members can veto a deal.
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06/12/2020 12:56:13 574 124
bbc
Why do we need to have an HYS on this every day. All we get is the same groups of people spewing hate to anyone that did not vote the same way as them. BBC do you really need to continually create division
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06/12/2020 13:02:17 279 142
bbc
It's called freedom of speech whether you like it or not. As for the tone of languages used...unfortunately that's the way some of the British society are...
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06/12/2020 13:38:04 36 50
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This is reflecting division not creating it, it is brexit that created the division
974
06/12/2020 14:02:04 14 49
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The BBC have created division by daring to report the news.
Mummy.
06/12/2020 14:20:51 27 8
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Totally agree with you. The BBC are a disgrace we had endless HYS's on this subject. Talk about stirring the pot between Brexit & COVID19 we have at lease two a day. If you look at the comments its always the same people making the same comments on every single HYS. And if by chance we have another a different HYS, the comments still go but to Brexit & COVID19.
06/12/2020 14:27:57 20 7
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Crap journalism is the answer to your question
Quite right Ian.

You’ll not see any HYS on Millwall FC fans booing the players taking the knee for BLM or a HYS on Muslim men grooming children for multiple sex attacks.

Now that would be really divisive but you’ll never see it as it’s not on the BBC’s agenda.

They’d rather promote LBGT and BLM stories without any HYS attached to them.
Removed
fos
06/12/2020 14:31:03 15 7
bbc
The bbc are like trump they share an inability to accept a democratic vote
06/12/2020 14:35:04 8 15
bbc
BBC did not create the division
06/12/2020 14:52:40 10 14
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It gives Leavers an opportunity to explain the advantages of Brexit because we still don’t know what they are.
06/12/2020 14:58:01 7 5
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Don't read them then!
06/12/2020 15:20:32 5 10
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In my experience, it's always those that voted for Brexit that want to silence the conversations. Why is that?
06/12/2020 15:22:19 9 5
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Absolutely agree.
This is an important matter BUT the BBC very often avoids any HYS on other important issues. In a subtle and not so subtle way people at the BBC seek to set the Agenda. It does not truly believe in free speech on race and gender to name two issues.
06/12/2020 15:41:36 6 9
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The division has been caused by the incredibly self-serving decision by DC to hold the ref initially, the wafer-thin margin of victory for Leave (achieved by brazen lying, and misinformation), which was not translated into a compromise (i.e. leave EU but stay in SM /CU) and the swaggering triumphalism and utter contempt shown to Remainers by Brexiteers since (politicians, MSM and voters alike)
06/12/2020 16:13:19 8 3
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It also exposes the BBC's lack of quality. Euronews has been quoting the French European affairs minister since Friday, saying 'France will veto any deal, because Germany is desperate to get a deal at any cost'
06/12/2020 16:17:15 7 4
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Yes they do, because unbiased and objective journalism is no longer a feature of the BBC. Their world news pages are pathetic, with some everyday stories on for weeks, because they can’t be bothered going anywhere past Hyde Park Corner.

Time to defund and let some fresh competition in that only gets paid when it actually provides a news service.

I watch NHK when I can, it’s just so much better!
06/12/2020 16:27:52 0 4
bbc
Wasted comments!
ET
06/12/2020 16:41:35 4 1
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More importantly, in other news Norway and Denmark have apologised for Viking raids on the East Coast in 421. This contrasts with the prompt apology by the Dahl family.
06/12/2020 16:54:06 2 7
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Said the leaver, with no job to worry about, and not much of a future, confident that the government will look after him while he contributes *NOTHING* to clearing up his mess
Hmmmm...

Earlier in the week, I posted that we now have a daily Brexit HYS for remainers to have a moan, and my post was removed by the moderators. I presume they’re short-staffed on Sundays?
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91
06/12/2020 12:56:19 1 2
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http://www.worldstopexports.com/
"European Union members bought a slightly declining amount of cars exported from the UK, $17.1 billion which represents a -0.4% decrease from $17.2 billion one year earlier in 2016. Declining at a faster pace were UK’s imports of cars from EU, at $38.6 billion sliding -3.6% in value at $38.6 billion down from $40.1 billion during 2016".

EU-imagine sales at $Nil!
114
06/12/2020 12:58:25 1 2
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Imagine EU manufactured cars with no spares.
242
06/12/2020 13:02:54 0 2
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Imagine U.K. sales at nil!
92
06/12/2020 12:56:20 400 155
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Boris in a pickle! He would rather inflict severe long-term pain on his own people than admitting that he has been wrong all the way!
Severe long term pain is what ended on Dec 12 2019.

And thank goodness for that.
303
06/12/2020 13:14:49 20 7
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He'd rather strike no deal to benefit "his people" than a deal to benefit the people of this country - which is quite telling - given that the odds of no deal were, apparently, 1:1,000,000 around the time of the General Election that gave him an 80 seat majority to do as he pleases with for the next 48 months (and counting).
If the so called pain is too severe the UK has 192 nukes. BOOM. Removed
fos
06/12/2020 14:55:39 5 11
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Yawn
Move on you sound just like Donald Trump
06/12/2020 15:40:39 8 3
bbc
I voted remain, shh but I did accept the result, Boris and other who led us out of the EU still have time to make the deal they promised or stated would be done, until the fat lady sings so to speak I accept that negotiations can drift and seem hopeless, I accept that Boris and co when they said we would get a better deal.
so until it is over we wait, only when its over will I assess the truth
06/12/2020 15:43:26 14 3
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He will blame it on covid-19 and refuses to see it as a 1-2 punch. The spin machine will be going all out to the point you could link it to the grid to power half the country.
06/12/2020 16:06:27 6 2
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He knew it was wrong all along.

He even campaigned to remain until he realised championing leave would help him win the premiership.

Mind you, even as a journalist he used to write two opposing columns so he could always claim he was right whichever way things turned out.

Becoming Prime Minister was all he really cared about.
06/12/2020 16:18:13 3 2
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Boris isn't Barnier is. If Euronews is correct he's stuck between Germany and France, the French accusing the Germans of saying no deal is better than a bad deal, but actually negotiating for a deal at any cost. So the French to veto & Liam Fox proven right, 'what should be the easiest trade deal in history blocked by EU politics"
06/12/2020 16:18:29 3 3
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Yawn! God you are a really tedious OMG remainer aren’t you?
06/12/2020 17:39:23 1 2
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Comrade Corbin and his racist chums would have caused absolute disaster.
06/12/2020 20:11:28 0 1
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How about pickle topping in 0ven Ready (TM) pizza Fiasco?

Mmmm!

Chèf Johnson recommends!
(because it’s the only one left on the list)
06/12/2020 20:27:26 1 1
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Boris is following a referendum which was then validated by a general election to deliver Brexit. Deal or No Deal. It looks like WTO for now, get the pandemic out of the way (far more important) then get back round the table at some point in future after he’s jump on board with things like trans-pacific trade agreements, looking more likely Brexit deal.
07/12/2020 02:04:26 0 1
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That's not a "pickle", that's a "cancer".
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06/12/2020 12:56:21 6 13
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It's impossible to seriously negotiate with a rigid, over-bloated bureaucracy with diverse factions, ie the EU. It was always going to be painful.
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06/12/2020 13:02:04 1 2
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That’s not what Johnson told you and you believed him.

More fool you.
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06/12/2020 12:56:22 10 13
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The EU has absolutely no intention of "honouring our sovereignty"....

So forget a deal - it would just be capitulation....

& those days are over....
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06/12/2020 13:00:39 9 4
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That's not the a the point !

No one trusts Boris.

And he won't allow any Court to judge his lies
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06/12/2020 13:01:27 1 3
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EU seem to have accepted No Deal is OK.

Johnson having been threatening No Deal for Ever now realised how bad it will be for the U.K. and for him personally.
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06/12/2020 12:49:33 16 24
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A deal will be done. Both sides posturing and playing to domestic audiences. Though the French as usual throwing a spanner in the works. Buy British Boycott France.
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06/12/2020 12:53:54 3 5
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Buy British? What commodities or goods are we talking of? Lets go back to the 60s with overpriced tat that disappeared when the competition turned up started with the Japanese btw
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06/12/2020 12:59:41 2 3
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Buy Morris, Austin and British Leyland!
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06/12/2020 12:54:22 319 106
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Sunak, Patel and co have shown the true meaning of Brexit.
Secret meeting in Israel, Bullying, looking after those with offshore accounts. Selling the resources we have left to the highest bidders.
06/12/2020 14:46:55 247 43
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You forgot to mention that snivelling coward Rhys Mogg's Hedge fund making millions out of Brexit.
06/12/2020 14:53:52 2 2
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I'd ?? to the Highest Bidder .
06/12/2020 17:18:07 2 5
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You are not accurate sir. UK companies have huge investments, sometimes 100% of the equity, in companies in countries around the globe. Better research first before sitting at your keyboard. It would help to put forward a point of view based upon fact not fiction.
06/12/2020 17:41:11 6 3
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What’s Israel got to do with this? And if it was a secret, how do you know?
06/12/2020 18:22:04 0 0
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Think about the Monica, there is none here!
06/12/2020 18:50:33 2 0
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If only you were the voice of reason....? The examples you give are nothing to do with Brexit, you could add Liverpool not winning every game it plays in. So sad...
06/12/2020 22:36:55 1 1
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"Selling the resources we have left to the highest bidders."

Yes .. truly despicable.

Although .. Gordon Brown sold off our gold reserves & nuclear industry to the lowest bidders.... which is even worse.
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06/12/2020 12:49:00 11 14
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The EU was never going to make this easy. The French want a no-deal Brexit, as they can see France gaining at the expense of the UK in terms of financial services.

As for the fishery issue, when we joined the EU we gave away stupid amounts of our water to Europe- we simply want that back, and provide EU a quota to fish in our water- makes sense. Both sides lose from a no-deal, 1-2 will gain...
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06/12/2020 12:54:49 3 4
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British territorial water stops 12 miles offshore ok
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06/12/2020 12:55:28 10 10
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Brexit, an avoidable farce.
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06/12/2020 12:56:45 5 3
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We already left the EU
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06/12/2020 12:49:55 17 11
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The only deal is a Canada plus deal, with the UK in full control of fishing. But Macron will veto that. So do-deal is the mostly likely result of another week of empty discussions.
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06/12/2020 12:56:53 2 2
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Fleet will move to NI ??and stay in EU free trade,... Whats big deal with fishing anyway, some big shops creating more for the economy than a few old boats, who sell to the EU in first place
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06/12/2020 14:01:22 0 2
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And our fishing fleets are largely owned by companies overseas in the .........EU. Marvellous.
06/12/2020 14:06:01 2 2
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I think that you will find that NI is part of the United Kingdom. The reality is the EU are happy to give free trade deals to Canada and Japan, with no EU contribution and no ECJ oversight. But Britain has paid billions into the EU is being denied a free trade deal, and the EU want oversight, and retain control of UK waters. No. Only a Canada plus deal should be accepted.
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