England beat France in dramatic final
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Owen Farrell finally finds his kicking boots to land a sudden-death penalty to subdue a stand-in France and win the Autumn Nations Cup at Twickenham.
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Wow - French kids deserved to win that.
Some of those decisions were baffling!
Wow - French kids deserved to win that.
Some of those decisions were baffling!
England have more trophies this year than Wales have wins
Weren't you just playing France?
The fact you mention Wales speaks volumes for your priorities. Obsessed.
The fact you mention Wales speaks volumes for your priorities. Obsessed.
...... with your 1st team against 5th string teams ... still can’t do it when it matters. England RFU -biggest player base & richest, yet serial chokers. Might be something to do with your arrogance.
Duh?
That's a great stat. Things we have also learnt this Autumn:
1: England won the trophy
2: Samson Lee can't scrummage
3: England beat Wales
4: Refs are finally fed up with AWJ telling them how to do their job
5: Welsh fans are still obsessed with England
6: England beat Wales - did I mention that ?
7: Maro Itoje is the best rugby player on the planet
8: Wales lost to England
1: England won the trophy
2: Samson Lee can't scrummage
3: England beat Wales
4: Refs are finally fed up with AWJ telling them how to do their job
5: Welsh fans are still obsessed with England
6: England beat Wales - did I mention that ?
7: Maro Itoje is the best rugby player on the planet
8: Wales lost to England
Lets just stick to rugby, you are making yourself look sad
I can't believe France we're 7/1 to win this game easiest money I've made all year won a nice few hundread on them cashed out for 95% of the winnings with few minutes remaining happy day's England are hopeless always bottle it in the biggest games thank you France steak dinner it is then £££££££
Well England shouldn't have had that scrum at the end, the French player didn't touch the ball! Great game though!
England took extra time to beat France b team France will be the team to beat now
But they won. And don’t disrespect that French team who prepared well and have huge talent. Those young players will win a WC in the future - serious talent coming through their ranks. They lacked experience in closing down the game which is the only reason they lost.
Anyone that follows international rugby will know that the French squad is strong and they had nothing to lose today, they’ve also been favourites for the upcoming WC for a while, hardly a B team. Unlike the Wales camp who have a weak squad, this French team have great strength in depth which clearly showed today.
Time will tell
wails werew thrashed by the France B team. Oh dear ????????
Yes France B team but the best team England played against in this tournament. ??
As an England fan I am quite worried and excited at the same time. Worried because don't seem as good as i thought they were. Excited because if the French keep playing like this and keep their discipline and England improve further we will now have two Northern Hemisphere teams capable of winning the Work Cup and beating the top SH teams. I envy the French coaches who are spoilt for choice now.
What an effort by France, absolutely terrific.
Time to look at what to work on.
Itoje for captain?
Time to look at what to work on.
Itoje for captain?
Itoje is too good and too crucial to be captain, the team needs him to keep concentrating on what he is doing. England do need a new captain though, not much evidence of leadership or on-field decision making today yet again.
England lucky. Really impressed with France. England’s inability to change their tactics mid game is a clear issue.
err if normal kicking duties had been present the game would have been over way before the 80 minutes were up. What was it five kicks missed in total?
I wouldn’t say lucky, France looked really good, but we did miss a hell of lot of kicks
A little bit lucky in that you couldn’t have seen that try coming necessarily but well played to France and probably deserved to win as their defence was awesome and they scored the one creative try in the game. Let’s see what happens in 6N
Eddie and Farrell are clueless when things don’t go well
sometimes you're lucky, sometimes you're not. Only one winner though.
Very lucky. England unable to change tactics, and kept on kicking to Dulin who lapped every single one up and launched french attacks. The sterility of England tactics is consterning. Despipte the fantastic backs we have, they are unable to run the ball...
England did change their tactics and France could not ultimately cope. End result England win.
Errrr...They did change their tactics. last 20 mins England were getting much quicker ball and spinning out wide. Excellent french D and a couple of fractionally early passes meant no tries... but only just.
Well the ref left a lot to bo desired, he was pretty one sided.
I think a lot hinges on the TMO tbh. I think the gallagher prem has it right, where the TMO is more vocal and also has the commentator feed (obviously doesn’t work so well for internationals without independent commentary). Without it, the breakdown in particular feels a bit arbitrary
Great finish but this tournament was a massive chance missed by Eddie Jones to look at option for 9 and 10 ... and see Watson at 15 because we have some exciting young wingers.
I think malins looks like the only FB option I want to watch. Youngs, Ford, daly and Farrell were all awful today
Well played France. Yes England win but you have to say they have some players coming through. Brilliant finish. Well done both teams and thanks RFU for getting a tournament for us to watch.
Some great French youth on show very similar to the England team 4/5 years ago that are now the Northern Hemispheres team to beat.
Other nations in the NH would do well to blood youth and not cling on to old glory boys. France and England cut ties with dinosaurs years ago and are reaping the benefit and are the only sides capable of competing with SH sides.
Other nations in the NH would do well to blood youth and not cling on to old glory boys. France and England cut ties with dinosaurs years ago and are reaping the benefit and are the only sides capable of competing with SH sides.
IF ONLY WE COULD!
Watch? Where? If only we could! Shameful that we could not watch on free-to-view TV.
you creep
I can only agree. Well done to both teams for providing one of the most entertaining games of rugby this autumn.
Great post! Thanks. Yes! France were majestic and played with flair, good to watch. Given that France players could only plant in 3 games, it means that France have used over 50 players in the tournament and could have won! Eddie stayed with a conservative selection and playing style without an attack. This tournament gave him the chance to cap new players and try new combinations which he didn't
Didn't deserve that win. An honest team would pass the trophy to the French. England very poor - just like RWC final
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Well done France, back to back U20 championship wins, never going to be a walk in the park but gave for an entertaining match. 12 its missed on the kicks. Malins injected some speed when he came on but an opportunity lost not to have more England youngsters on the pitch like Thorley and others. Excellent by LCD
Poor reffing at the end, lost his bottle to make any calls. TMO had moments where he should have been showing him reviews of possible penalties to remind ref he had a job to do
I thought the lineout that led to France 's try was crooked, never got another look at that. Hundreds of angles of decisions that went England's way. The ref was poor, but so were England, got the job done though. Swing low!
Enthralling contest which was unfortunately marred by some very one-eyed refereeing. England outlasted France but would have been out long before with a fair referee.
First of all, well played France! Great to have them playing well again. Delighted England won, yes it wasn't the best performance but they found a way to win, and that's important.
Great to see some rugby this autumn.
Great to see some rugby this autumn.
"they found a way to win " ? Which way ! What a goog joke ! Have you read on this same pages many comments "Awful referee"," Two highly unfair penalties" .... and so one ... And it 's not the first time in 40 years of rugby tournaments with only anglophones referees.
Brave brave French team. I am so proud of them today. Leading England at Twickers until extra time... chapeau!
Bring on 6N 2021!!!
Congrats to England for coming back into the game and winning it in sudden death despite a lacklustre first half.
Bring on 6N 2021!!!
Congrats to England for coming back into the game and winning it in sudden death despite a lacklustre first half.
Won’t win RWC or Grand Slams with that brand of rugby, but will win most of our matches I suppose.
I thought the mantra was a good pack provides the platform to play but EJ seems believe it begins and ends with forward play (by backs too!) and kicking away
Well played young french team.
Anyway, well ground out England a win is a win well done boys.
I thought the mantra was a good pack provides the platform to play but EJ seems believe it begins and ends with forward play (by backs too!) and kicking away
Well played young french team.
Anyway, well ground out England a win is a win well done boys.
If France had sent their under 16s instead of the youth team l reckon they would have nicked that. Always enjoyable when england put together one of their special performances. Congratulations France...great performance.
Bit of a shame allowing people in to the ground, easily hearing the English supporters booing the French penalty kicker in the 74th minute
The French fans would've done the same.
They were booing the time he took not the kick
It got quieter once he ran up
It got quieter once he ran up
A pointless stand - in Autumn competition won by clearly the second best nation! Roll on the real 6 nations.
Eng may have won the game & competition but France will win the plaudits and the hearts of any fair supporter.
France the team to beat in 6N
England have a few questions still to answer , are a few steps ahead of the rest but need to kick on.
From an eng fan , congratulations to France , French rugby looks in a good place
France the team to beat in 6N
England have a few questions still to answer , are a few steps ahead of the rest but need to kick on.
From an eng fan , congratulations to France , French rugby looks in a good place
Clearly not. We have both cups hahaha
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
I’d rather eat rotten eggs than say well done to the cheese eating, white flag waving surrender monkeys.
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Thanks to Sean Edwards. It plain to see, Edwards leaves wales for France and Wales goes down and France goes Up!!
Sure mate, sure
Go and have a lie down, you clearly need it.
Go and have a lie down, you clearly need it.
English living in Wales. Of course England fan. Squeaky bum time. Well played to both teams.
Agree that Fance the team to beat in 6N.
Have just placed my bet on them before odds go down.
Agree that Fance the team to beat in 6N.
Have just placed my bet on them before odds go down.
Few steps ahead? With Eddie the idiot in charge? They are certainly fatter than the opposition, which suits the present lawmakers of the game, maybe that's what puts them a few steps ahead. Nothing else does. Plan A - kick and chase.. Plan B - kick and chase some more.
Why can't people like you just 'celebrate' a Fantastic win...coming from Behind.! Your so typical of too many people in our Country! There's 'always' a 'downside' isn't there..!! Why don't you go and get a job at the BBC!?
If that was the best a full strength England could do against a '3rd tier French team, then EJ really needs to think hard going forward. Again the lack of Englands ability to change tack mid game is shocking. Farrell should have handed off kicking duties in the first half.
France are the team to beat right now.
France are the team to beat right now.
Didn't deserve that win. An honest team would pass the trophy to the French. England very poor - just like RWC final
I sense a terrible disturbance in the force. It’s as if 5 million bleating Welsh trolls have just been silenced......Love it. Absolutely love it. Well done France! A resurgent French side to battle it out with us, Ireland and Scotland is just what the 6N needs.
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5 mill what geography lesson did you go to dimwit. Sums you up lol clown
Well, with immature comments like this, of course you will get annoyed welsh fans commenting.
How about you enjoy the victory with some class.
How about you enjoy the victory with some class.
There are 3.5 million people in Wales. Typical ignorant comment from a little Englander.
First and foremost well done to a young french team for an unbelievably brave performance.
I hated every moment of that game. The incessant kicking has got to stop. I’d bin Elliot Daly, looks like a deer in headlights when he’s forced to run with the ball.
Pretty grumpy Sunday afternoon for me now. I’m sure anyone from the other six nations teams will have loved to see England suffer!
I hated every moment of that game. The incessant kicking has got to stop. I’d bin Elliot Daly, looks like a deer in headlights when he’s forced to run with the ball.
Pretty grumpy Sunday afternoon for me now. I’m sure anyone from the other six nations teams will have loved to see England suffer!
Thank you Mr Shaun Edwards for the work you do! Defending for 15 (?) phases on the line at the end of the first half was just immense.
and without even giving a penalty away
France have looked superb all year. Its good to see them competitive again after too long in the doldrums. 2nd place behind England in next year's 6 nations will be a good result for them??
Finally someone says it, Shaun is the best defence coach in the game.
The England rugby when they had the chance should have paid him what ever he asked
The England rugby when they had the chance should have paid him what ever he asked
French defence was excellent and with players who hadn’t spent much time together. Wonder if the 1st XV French side would have been as disciplined?
Why on earth was Shaun Edwards not snapped up by England when he was released by Wales? Did Jones see him as a threat?
I'm Welsh, and I can not understand the mentallity of the WRU in letting Shaun Edwards go, short sighted, no disrespect to Wayne Pivac but the defense has been a shadow of what it was
Never in doubt!
Second string is being kind.
Embarrassing for England.
But if the French U20s can do That, and how well their 1st choice are going, we should all be worried.
Embarrassing for England.
But if the French U20s can do That, and how well their 1st choice are going, we should all be worried.
England trophies 2
Wales 0
Wales 0
Same French team that thrashed wails
Good luck with the ‘rebuilding’.
So bitter you Welsh!
Best team lost and good that England were pushed by a second string and came up lucky. All the talk before the game turned into the usual bluster like the World Cup...no change and the nigels remain firmly one trick ponies well done France ....hope you nail the Brexit coffin of them as well, filthy country
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This is a borderline racist comment. BBC mods, I suggest you remove this.
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Winners think about winning. Losers think about winners. Thanks for your thoughts.
Salty.
Spoilt you're day hasn't it sloth
Classy comment.
Clearly from a country that’s never won a WC and thinks the 6N is important.
Newsflash:
NZ, Australia(often), SA and England are the teams to beat.
Finishing 4th, 5th or 6th in this autumn comp is an indication of ineptness.
Clearly from a country that’s never won a WC and thinks the 6N is important.
Newsflash:
NZ, Australia(often), SA and England are the teams to beat.
Finishing 4th, 5th or 6th in this autumn comp is an indication of ineptness.
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lol, two trophies in a row, I bet what ever toilet you originate from can't say that.
Congratulations England and France.
As a neutral (not really I’m welsh) I enjoyed the tense, brutal, hearts on sleeves rugby I just watched.
France are a delight to watch again.
Fair play England - you held your ground and didn’t throw it away.
Congratulations - worthy winners.
As a neutral (not really I’m welsh) I enjoyed the tense, brutal, hearts on sleeves rugby I just watched.
France are a delight to watch again.
Fair play England - you held your ground and didn’t throw it away.
Congratulations - worthy winners.
I think also we can ‘blame’ SA for the state of rugby now, EJ realised after the NZ and SA games in the World Cup, that SA won with brutal style and it seems that that is the default way to win now - exciting rugby comes second.
It's just so nice to hear a 'Welshmen' congratulating England while our National Broadcaster and others 'congratulate France'...for 'Losing'.!! The Headline says it all about our 'Patriotic BBC'...'England beats 2nd String side'!! It's NOT unlike everything else they report about 'anything English'!
These players are supposed to form the spine of the Lions?
A full strength England scrape a win at home against the French barbarians, and they couldn't have done it without the ref helping them at the end.
A full strength England scrape a win at home against the French barbarians, and they couldn't have done it without the ref helping them at the end.
Your name is hilarious. Not that long ago my country hammered you in a final your fellow countrymen thought was a foregone conclusion...how did that go for you?
nice hard fought win England BUT it wasn't on the teli. Its beyond time that all England games were telivised so the Nation can watch them.
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
Very well played France
I did not expect it to be that close.
Can you put a positive spin on this one Eddie?
I did not expect it to be that close.
Can you put a positive spin on this one Eddie?
Yes, we won the cup. Pretty positive I'd say.
Well yeah.
We won the tournament. That's good enough
We won the tournament. That's good enough
U just did!
Does anyone actually care?! Rugby is for rich privately educated mummy’s boys. Not a real sport like the working class sport of football - ENGLAND’S National Sport that everyone likes.
Chase those pretty haircuts in shorts dude haha
I expect you spend most of your time alone.
If don't care,why post? Football players are way overpaid,prima donnas and roll around like they've been shot.Pathetic.
Try playing it at any level. Wimps like you would be running away scared within seconds.
This a rugby forum ? Sport is the winner , as are the fans that enjoy a contest regardless of background . Thanks tho
England’s official national sport is cricket!! Football has become a farce. No chance of ever winning a World Cup with the poor quality of the national team and none of the top sides have any connection to their geographical community.
Have you ever heard Owen Farrell speak? Not sure he privately educated. And read Kyle Sinkler biog, he definitely not, tool.
Even as a massive England fan, France deserved to win that. If there is any consolation for them the future is looking bright.
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
Not so if Farrell had kicked his goals. Farrell let us down today. Not good under pressure.
My view. The only team that deserves to win is the one that did.
As a Welshman, I acknowledge England have players in abundance & should be the best International team in the World. One thing stopping them IMO, Eddie Jones. Luck evens itself out, but today they had their fair share. No TMO for important decisions? Wales are a long way off competing. Wooden spoon between Wales & Italy next 6N. Italy away won't be easy for Wales & Italy will fancy their chances.
With respect, I'd disagree that France deserved to win it. Yes, the French were very good in parts but rather ill disciplined. If Farrell had have kicked better from the penalty spot then England would have won in normal play.
I dont undestand how you can say France deserved to win. On what criteria. They played well and came very close to victory but mainly down to OF's poor place kicking. France played very well and they were a very young team but the best team won-HUST on the day.
It was an outstanding performance by such an inexperienced French side, but I dont think it is fair to say they were the best side.
Certainly a moral victory though, and it is great for NH rugby that France have sorted themselves out.
Certainly a moral victory though, and it is great for NH rugby that France have sorted themselves out.
France were very exciting at times but did burn out by the end. The try they scored was lovely, but despite everything never looked like scoring another.
England were worthy winners, but it was very close and the future for France looks very bright.
England were worthy winners, but it was very close and the future for France looks very bright.
I know where you are coming from, however to let England draw the game in the dying minutes it is difficult to accept France deserved to win. You have to see out games like that, it is never over till the Old Lady Sings, as they say. Yes, they played well but ....!
Yes!
Just the test we needed! France were excellent considering their lack of experience in their ranks.
As a Warriors fan Lawrence may have made a difference.??
The French have shown what a force they are going to be heading for their WC but the talk of a cricket score over France because of the respective teams was bull.
France,like England will fight whoever plays.
Can we have Edwards???
Just the test we needed! France were excellent considering their lack of experience in their ranks.
As a Warriors fan Lawrence may have made a difference.??
The French have shown what a force they are going to be heading for their WC but the talk of a cricket score over France because of the respective teams was bull.
France,like England will fight whoever plays.
Can we have Edwards???
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
We tried to get him years ago but his conditions of service were ridiculous. As they always are.
Agree about Edwards - terrific coach - England let him get away - Wales greatly benefitted from his coaching, now replicated for France
No need for Edwards - Our defence seems to be pretty good. I would rather we had a good attack/backs coach and EJ let them take just a few risks. England have great backs but don't use them, except to chase kicks.
as I keep saying Jones has no plan B and Ford and Farrell cannot read the game in front of them. We need a new coach and game plan.
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
So we win two trophies this year and get to the WC final and it’s still not good enough for you.
You have no clue about rugby and what players can and can’t see. It was Fords excellent vision and kick that found the ground and space to then win the penalty
England will NEVER win a World Cup with Eddie Jones in charge and playing the same boring, turgid and one-dimensional type of game.
Informed pundits such as Habana say differently and I will take their views on this one
What I found irritating is kicking the ball away when clearly we had many options to go wide with the pace we have outside. Farrell Youngs & Daly very poor Ford poor and no plan B when plan A not working well. Interesting but boring kickfest & does nothing for the game IMO
England drive back from the dead to beat a plucky French team. Shows great character and determination.
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
Plucky?!... respect the opponent, especially when they play the better rugby
Hardly - the game showed how one dimensional English rugby is under Jones. The team with character and determination lost out, the typically over confident England team nearly messed up in a final again, against a young and inexperienced team playing with passion.
Ref got the knock on from the 2nd half extra time kick off badly wrong. The Frenchman never touched the ball as clearly seen on TV. Why he didn't choose to use the TMO for such a critical call Ive no idea as France would have won a penalty. No talk about it after the game either. Very poor reffing.
Yeh and took 2 mins, after numerous replays, to decide Watson had knocked on in the first half. The refs are so inconsistent.
You're right but there were other issues durng the game you fail to mention. He's another reff who doesn't enforce the offside from the kick ahead and as a result he choked the game. we all know England didn't deserve it.
The laws do NOT allow him to check for a 'simple' knock-on in such circumstances, ie. when a try has not been scored and he has already decided to stop live play and go back to where he believes the error occured. It would be a disaster if he could, as you would have every player whinging at eery breakdown and asking for a TMO decision.
Incorrect. It brushed the French player's fingers.
It should have been a scrum to England on half way line as the french fly half kicked off around 3 yards into England’s half. This is a clear breach of law 12.2. So, I agree the referee made a poor decision in that phase of play but probably not in the way you’d like...
He got a number of decisions wrong including not penalising for high tackles but you have to move on and play to the whistle.
Think it was knocked on.
But to be fair, there shouldn't have even been extra time. Vinupola knocked it on at the ruck about 78min before a penalty at the next ruck, which we know they kicked to the corner and scored a try from. Don't know why the linesman didn't call it...was pretty obvious!
To many times this autumn have linesmen not stepped in to help the ref out. He can't see it all!
But to be fair, there shouldn't have even been extra time. Vinupola knocked it on at the ruck about 78min before a penalty at the next ruck, which we know they kicked to the corner and scored a try from. Don't know why the linesman didn't call it...was pretty obvious!
To many times this autumn have linesmen not stepped in to help the ref out. He can't see it all!
No it wasn’t . Reviewed with TMO and made a decent decision . Reason no comments were made rather suggests he git it right .
Eddie please please please never pick Youngs EVER AGAIN
I can't believe France we're 7/1 to win this game easiest money I've made all year won a nice few hundread on them cashed out for 95% of the winnings with few minutes remaining happy day's England are hopeless always bottle it in the biggest games thank you France steak dinner it is then £££££££
I sense a terrible disturbance in the force. It’s as if 5 million bleating Welsh trolls have just been silenced......Love it. Absolutely love it. Well done France! A resurgent French side to battle it out with us, Ireland and Scotland is just what the 6N needs.
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Come now Ergan, or is it Twentyman today? Don’t cry......take the positives from the competition......England have another piece of silverware....Wails have.....erm.....ummmm......I know...victories (just) over Georgia and Italy.....bless.
Best team lost and good that England were pushed by a second string and came up lucky. All the talk before the game turned into the usual bluster like the World Cup...no change and the nigels remain firmly one trick ponies well done France ....hope you nail the Brexit coffin of them as well, filthy country
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France have so much talent and now that they have a decent coaching team they are a scary prospect and they will be in with a real chance at next World Cup.
Spot on. We need to prepare well as there is still lots to be done.
Especially as it is a home tournament for them.
Best team lost and good that England were pushed by a second string and came up lucky. All the talk before the game turned into the usual bluster like the World Cup...no change and the nigels remain firmly one trick ponies well done France ....hope you nail the Brexit coffin of them as well, filthy country
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Quite possibly. But it’s a long queue to join behind Scotland and Wales.
2 bits of silverware in a bad year for rugby and sport isn't bad for the psyche. The England team looked pretty happy during the trophy ceremony. Perhaps its more a case of the England team taking positives from a tough game but proving that ultimately, they are still tough to beat, even when Farrell has a bad day at the office. Mind you, when it counted, his skill showed through....
No damage to the England "psyche". Another tournament won, and a fightback to boot. Clear they have issues, but were still more than good enough to beat Ireland and Wales twice in a year (fairly comfortably).
France look great.
France look great.
Thanks vvales.
I don’t doubt England will learn from their mistakes (underestimating the opponent, lack of imagination, need of new talent, coach?) and be tough to beat next year. But they showed to the world they are not yet the number 1 team they pretend/aspire to be. In my mind they failed to adapt their game plan until they got a halftime roasting.
I don’t doubt England will learn from their mistakes (underestimating the opponent, lack of imagination, need of new talent, coach?) and be tough to beat next year. But they showed to the world they are not yet the number 1 team they pretend/aspire to be. In my mind they failed to adapt their game plan until they got a halftime roasting.
Damage to English psyche? They won a crunch game despite playing the worst they have in the past 5 years. This will improve them in every way and make them more resilient. But you already know this. Enjoy 5th place.
On a happy note I’m delighted to have my France team back after too many years of doubts in no man’s land.
What I want to see is a reenergised and improved 6N with all teams playing exciting free flowing rugby, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Italy...
What I want to see is a reenergised and improved 6N with all teams playing exciting free flowing rugby, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Italy...
France were the only team that stretched us in this tournament
Dont think so. England won. Everybody wants to beat us at everything. We are used to it. France were excellent though.
Clearly, you're not English. The psyche could well switch to a positive for England, as we never gave up. It's called sport psychology.
Hardly did damage to the English psyche. It was the English psyche that won the game. Silly comment.
Suggest more damage to the Welsh, Irish and Scots psyche, now they know how far behind they are France and England
It was a brilliant performance by the French team, they took it to England as Eng did to NZ in the WC. Sadly for Wales, you will play them in Paris in 3 months time... then we can see how far behind them you are...
Nice to see the joke that is @vvales on here. No damage done to the English psyche. Winning even when not playing well will give the team a boost if anything.
Going forward, I would like to see a new scrum half blooded, and Joe Simmonds given a run-out at fly half. Unfortunately, can’t see that happening with EJ in charge, as he clearly adores OF and GF.
Sam Simmonds needs to be in the squad.
Going forward, I would like to see a new scrum half blooded, and Joe Simmonds given a run-out at fly half. Unfortunately, can’t see that happening with EJ in charge, as he clearly adores OF and GF.
Sam Simmonds needs to be in the squad.
Competitive game, I enjoyed watching it, though would prefer less kicking. France played out of their skin, their future is bright. Not so much for Wales.
England have got big problems no doubt about that. They are so one dimensional and to think they used to criticise Wales for being boring under Gatland. Needing the ref to beat France reserves is not a good sign and Jones has got some big decisions to make. France to win grand slam next year I reckon
A pointless stand - in Autumn competition won by clearly the second best nation! Roll on the real 6 nations.
ENGLAND ??????????????
Well played France. I wasn't expecting that, especially the first half performance. That passage to stop England scoring a try at the half time whistle was immense.
Second half it was all England really but so many mistakes and I did feel sorry for the French a little.
Farrell should have handed over kicking duty though. Terrible today.
Second half it was all England really but so many mistakes and I did feel sorry for the French a little.
Farrell should have handed over kicking duty though. Terrible today.
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
Despite the comments on here, Farrell is a superb player, but he should not be captain.
He was having a shocker with the boot, but his every instinct is to take the responsibility, so there was no way he was going to pass on the kicking tee.
Needed a different captain to make the call for him. England also need more leaders elsewhere on the pitch.
He was having a shocker with the boot, but his every instinct is to take the responsibility, so there was no way he was going to pass on the kicking tee.
Needed a different captain to make the call for him. England also need more leaders elsewhere on the pitch.
nice hard fought win England BUT it wasn't on the teli. Its beyond time that all England games were telivised so the Nation can watch them.
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
I can't believe France we're 7/1 to win this game easiest money I've made all year won a nice few hundread on them cashed out for 95% of the winnings with few minutes remaining happy day's England are hopeless always bottle it in the biggest games thank you France steak dinner it is then £££££££
nice hard fought win England BUT it wasn't on the teli. Its beyond time that all England games were telivised so the Nation can watch them.
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
Well done France. A hollow victory for England but no doubt EJ will say that is how he planned to win. Yet another try for England from a rolling maul. They have certainly lost me as a supporter !!
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
If you know anything about rugby psychology, this is by no means a hollow victory. This game could be a big turning point for England.
This was a brilliant exercise in a high stakes match were England were put under massive pressure in a very adverse game by a determined and physical French side who often dominated them. To come through that challenge, and win at the death, is massive.
This was a brilliant exercise in a high stakes match were England were put under massive pressure in a very adverse game by a determined and physical French side who often dominated them. To come through that challenge, and win at the death, is massive.
A hollow victory?! Um it’s a trophy in front of fans. Weird comment.
Does anyone actually care?! Rugby is for rich privately educated mummy’s boys. Not a real sport like the working class sport of football - ENGLAND’S National Sport that everyone likes.
I never expected to hear Matt Dawson praying and hoping, indeed screaming, for the penalty shoot-out that was to follow that very poor excuse for rugby union.
Best team lost and good that England were pushed by a second string and came up lucky. All the talk before the game turned into the usual bluster like the World Cup...no change and the nigels remain firmly one trick ponies well done France ....hope you nail the Brexit coffin of them as well, filthy country
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and Owens boot... he will not miss that many easy kicks in the future
Salty much?
A lot, lot, lot of help
Just like the last few England games according to some . Refs have all been pretty decent . Not many calls got wrong . Most criticism comes from people who either don’t know the laws of rugby or don’t bother watching the replays or listen to what the officials are saying .
Who was the ref - pall of Bojo ?
This is a borderline racist comment. BBC mods, I suggest you remove this.
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There is undoubtably two tiers of refereeing, one that gifts England points and one for every team that plays against them. Well done to the French youth team for having more guts than England and the officials
A pyrrhic victory for England.
People saying France will be contenders at the next WC might be getting a bit carried away. Their style is not conducive to knockout rugby and we've yet to see them in action against SA and NZ
People saying France will be contenders at the next WC might be getting a bit carried away. Their style is not conducive to knockout rugby and we've yet to see them in action against SA and NZ
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
France did just dominate England for 80+ minutes. No Welsh referee and it was a fair french win!
Rubbish, a victory and trophy is a victory and a trophy.
England have more trophies this year than Wales have wins
Can always rely on you for a bite
That's rich, considering the only game Wales care about is the one against England.
The sign of a good team when you can play so poorly and still win. That said the French deserve a pat on the back.
Well done to the England 1st team who (ably assisted by the Irish referee) totally smashed the France 4th (or was it 5th) team.........best award England the 2023 World Cup now!
well played france,how many misses you let your captain miss .how many times you kick (give other team the ball).happy england won but EJ final games england never turn up ie ireland 6 nations final game few years ago .world cup final and today..
Well the French 4th or 5th teams is certainly better than anything Wales have managed to put out this year. Still, at least Wales managed to beat Italy and Georgia.
There’s a word that describes people like you - bitter. Or. A year jealous?
Yes, but we won. My 8yr old very happy, he's only ever seen England success (usually) and by reaching finals
Does anyone actually care?! Rugby is for rich privately educated mummy’s boys. Not a real sport like the working class sport of football - ENGLAND’S National Sport that everyone likes.
Yes!
Just the test we needed! France were excellent considering their lack of experience in their ranks.
As a Warriors fan Lawrence may have made a difference.??
The French have shown what a force they are going to be heading for their WC but the talk of a cricket score over France because of the respective teams was bull.
France,like England will fight whoever plays.
Can we have Edwards???
Just the test we needed! France were excellent considering their lack of experience in their ranks.
As a Warriors fan Lawrence may have made a difference.??
The French have shown what a force they are going to be heading for their WC but the talk of a cricket score over France because of the respective teams was bull.
France,like England will fight whoever plays.
Can we have Edwards???
Well done England. France, for a second string team, they were still the best team we've come against this tournament.
The young French pushed us way harder than any of the other pretenders. Good match.
England second best, too. Lucky.
I sense a terrible disturbance in the force. It’s as if 5 million bleating Welsh trolls have just been silenced......Love it. Absolutely love it. Well done France! A resurgent French side to battle it out with us, Ireland and Scotland is just what the 6N needs.
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easy for England scoreline does not reflect England dominance -cant be upsetting the french now can we -french selectors need to start picking on merit most of that side we played today should be first team -a case of selectors making their excuses before the game
Best team lost and good that England were pushed by a second string and came up lucky. All the talk before the game turned into the usual bluster like the World Cup...no change and the nigels remain firmly one trick ponies well done France ....hope you nail the Brexit coffin of them as well, filthy country
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Even as a massive England fan, France deserved to win that. If there is any consolation for them the future is looking bright.
nice hard fought win England BUT it wasn't on the teli. Its beyond time that all England games were telivised so the Nation can watch them.
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
I'm losing faith & interest in Rugby because to the greed of the RFU
Right, let’s get it out there from the start, before trolls take over. If a good senior side play double U20 World Champions, only idiots and WUMs would predict a mismatch. France won hearts for their passion, commitment and skill. History will show England scored more points but anyone who watched the game with open eyes and mind would leave it at that from an England perspective.
A full strength England scrape a win at home against the French barbarians, and they couldn't have done it without the ref helping them at the end.