Brexit stalemate: Boris Johnson and Ursula Von Der Leyen seek to break trade deal deadlock
05/12/2020 | news | politics | 8,914
EU and UK negotiators call in leaders in last ditch effort to secure a trade deal.
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05/12/2020 09:11:34 28 18
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Boris forgets to walk away.

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05/12/2020 09:11:39 148 33
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Pantomime season has started early
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05/12/2020 09:27:56 257 13
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Oh no it hasn't
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05/12/2020 09:30:58 1 5
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Oh no it hasn't (sorry)
05/12/2020 10:30:12 10 3
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To many candidates to play the rear end of a donkey
05/12/2020 11:29:15 4 1
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June 2016, and not just for Christmas
05/12/2020 14:47:53 1 0
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Started in 2016.
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05/12/2020 09:12:17 12 6
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Nothing to worry about. No deal’s a million to one shot. Except deals involve trust.
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05/12/2020 10:01:25 0 1
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So odds on then?
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05/12/2020 09:12:30 21 24
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Surely the only realistic outcome here is an extension to the transition period. Even if it's only for six months until the peak of the pandemic has passed.
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05/12/2020 09:15:28 15 17
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Said from a remainer.. let’s stay and stay and hope the people change our mind
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05/12/2020 09:25:02 3 3
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That would be too sane a solution for BoJo to even consider it.
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05/12/2020 09:31:27 4 5
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The most realistic outcome should be to walk away... if 4 years of negotiations cannot resolve the same issues now that were apparent from the very start there is no evidence another extension would resolve anything.
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05/12/2020 09:12:37 18 14
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France have a history of using their veto against us. I predict a deal to be agreed before January but I think the French will scupper it.
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05/12/2020 09:21:39 10 14
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Let’s hope so
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05/12/2020 09:11:42 26 32
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Good on Macron for standing up to these public school boy bullies.
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05/12/2020 09:35:54 9 9
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if we end up with no deal because of this macron loses any access to our waters and will lose the coastal votes in the next election. That’s all he cares about.
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05/12/2020 09:12:58 1277 716
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As Greece said "you just cannot negotiate with the EU, they only want to dictate" says it all really.
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05/12/2020 09:21:25 1028 611
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Exactly why we voted to leave.....
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05/12/2020 09:23:00 194 82
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Did the whole of Greece speak with one voice? Maybe you could tell us which Greek politician you are citing.
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05/12/2020 09:34:13 190 28
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Do you mean after their got their economy into bankruptcy and falsified the balance sheets?
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05/12/2020 09:34:17 193 53
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As Scotland said "you just cannot negotiate with the UK, England only want to dictate" says it all really.

*Scotland is a 52 year old male from East Fife however we will call him Scotland for this made up point to illustrate that Greece is not a person either.
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05/12/2020 09:27:44 147 36
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It’s good that you use Greece as an example, because they are a bankrupt country that had to crawl on its hands and knees to beg Europe for a hand out. Surely Doris and his billionaire friends won’t be following in their shoes, or will they?
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05/12/2020 09:44:21 34 8
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The law is the law
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05/12/2020 09:45:26 149 13
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Greece's populists would point the finger, to offset blame for its own internal failings.

Its been a basket case for years by not managing its economy, overspending and allowing free reign to tax dodging, increasing public debt to unsustainable levels.

It had to be bailed out but utterley failed to cut its cloth accordingly.

If it was outside the EU it would be Bankrupt by now.
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05/12/2020 09:56:49 76 25
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Strange EU done so many deals then.
Wait until food prices rocket
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05/12/2020 09:57:08 46 5
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I think you mean Varoufakis. His government wanted assistance to recover their mismanaged economy then blamed the Germans because they wanted strings attached such as asking the Greeks to put in place measures to ensure they wouldn't keep coming back for more and lying to the EU about the cause of the crisis. Forever the victim mentality.
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Bob
05/12/2020 09:58:04 21 3
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Greece yes? Who swallowed billions of Euros... now that is a clever example...
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05/12/2020 10:07:48 26 18
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It’s like negotiating with the English. They hide behind semantics, and when the text is cast iron, they just break the rules. Try being a colony of the British Empire!
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05/12/2020 10:08:06 18 6
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Greece is in the EU! It has no relevance to the current discussions whatsoever.
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05/12/2020 10:11:47 8 2
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It appears you aren't even aware of the hilarious irony in your inaccurate statement.
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05/12/2020 10:13:09 5 6
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As Aristotle said ‘North Britain, even the Romans don’t want it’
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05/12/2020 10:15:20 5 16
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Hi fellow Northumbrian. Up here in the northern wastes, as my southern re-moaner cousins still believe, we can't wait to get this farce over ..... and just leave to become a fully self-governing country again. I was bamboozled in 1975 to vote in favour of the joining the CM: not any more thanks!
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05/12/2020 10:16:15 5 5
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Says Varofakis, the now disgraced Greek politician.
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05/12/2020 10:18:17 5 3
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Then why are we spending all this time trying?
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05/12/2020 10:24:19 9 7
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Ah diddums ...poor little England being bullied by the big boys.... whatever happened to the great British empire....
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05/12/2020 10:24:48 2 4
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David and Golliath
05/12/2020 10:26:29 5 14
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The EU has ruined Europe
05/12/2020 10:30:17 5 1
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Will you please cite a reference for your comment.
05/12/2020 10:32:07 4 1
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You forget - Greece went to 27 other nations - represented by EU, 27 talked it through and stated their unified terms for the bail out Greece was after - simply put - Greece went to the bank for a big loan - the bank asked its shareholders to come up with the cash - because the EU doesnt have the funds... Your comment says it all - skin deep only - but the muscle n bone reveal a different story
05/12/2020 10:40:17 3 1
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Should never have been expanded so much and the skullduggery on the economic qualifications should have had due diligence done to expose the chicanery going on....never happened = pigeons to roost all over the shop..!
05/12/2020 10:40:25 2 4
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The Greeks blew their Country's wealth on tax giveaways that returned nothing (as they invariably do) and then paid Goldman Sachs handsomely to cook their books to enable them to falsely meet the criteria for EU membership.

It was Greece's crappy politicians that are to blame.
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05/12/2020 09:13:01 23 24
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Walk away Boris.
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05/12/2020 09:15:04 13 10
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Too Late!

He's crawled back.
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05/12/2020 09:15:15 4 2
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Off a cliff.
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05/12/2020 09:20:47 4 2
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?????? he can’t if he wants to survive
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05/12/2020 09:24:17 5 2
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He missed that boat in October
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05/12/2020 09:12:50 2 7
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Mackerel Maccer will be the topic of the conversation...
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A deal will get done, but it will probably take the boss (Frau Merkel) to put little Oedipus Macron in his place. Removed
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05/12/2020 09:24:02 107 131
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Exchange 'Macron' for 'Johnson' and you might be closer to the truth.
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05/12/2020 09:37:45 10 9
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A comment which shows why the UK has never understood how the EU works. It's not only France, it's 4 costal countries who are opposed to the present fishing quotas (France, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands). They have fished the UK waters for centuries. Every one of those countries has the right to veto the "deal". Now cheap pseudo-psychology is not going to resolve this matter.
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Zzzzzzzzzz. Let’s have a HYS on Man Utd Removed
I don’t see the serial liar getting anywhere fast negotiating with this woman...he’ll probably try and bed her Removed
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Walk away. Keep our waters and start blowing up any boats that enter without permission. No exceptions. Removed
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05/12/2020 09:16:52 5 4
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Grown up little man.
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05/12/2020 09:21:50 1 1
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Dad's army? You should learn to play computer games instead.
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05/12/2020 09:13:50 14 14
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Nearly there, at last.
Despite all the hurdles put in the way.
Our negotiators have had one arm behnd their back.
Whatever we end up with will be an achievement.
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05/12/2020 09:13:54 22 19
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Boris Trumpson, the notorious, world-beating super-wrecker come to the "rescue".
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05/12/2020 09:26:00 7 8
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Democratically elected with an 80 seat majority.
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05/12/2020 09:13:56 15 24
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Typical Brexiteer.

Lots of big talk then ends up begging.

Maybe No Deal isn't better than a bad deal?

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05/12/2020 09:17:23 8 6
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Is your screen name supposed to be ironic?
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05/12/2020 09:18:30 5 4
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You've had 4 years to move out of the country you hate so much.....

Suppose it's easy to just spend your time whingeing about a democratic vote you lost.

xxxxx Bye bye EU xxxxx
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05/12/2020 09:14:03 316 254
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The EU do not want any kind of relationship with the UK that doesn't include controlling what the UK can and can't do.

That's NOT taking back control. No Deal is now the only honest option for Boris Johnson.
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05/12/2020 09:20:12 246 182
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Or alternatively, the EU don’t want any kind of relationship with the UK where the govt can unilaterally decide to break international law & change the terms of the deal...

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

You reap what you sew.
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05/12/2020 09:20:44 22 3
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In this case, it is a deal - we can trust that the honest option will never even be considered by Johnson.
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05/12/2020 09:24:34 13 4
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Just stick to printing.
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05/12/2020 09:37:13 26 5
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The EU are looking after the interests of its members and the UK's cake and eat it policy is simply not going to fly and will in all probaility get vetoed. The last thing any member wants is a 3rd party country that reserves the right to undermine its trade.

The EU are also way ahead of the Uk on no deal planning & have deals lined up so if it comes to a bun fight theres only one winner.
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05/12/2020 09:47:24 27 5
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The French could veto any deal. This is because they remain sovereign, just as the UK was within the EU. Had Brexiteers actually understood the way that the EU worked, and peeped across Farage's and Johnson's carefully constructed wall of lies, they would get this. Poverty, pariah status, and the joy of becoming laughing stock to the world. But Boris got to be PM, so that's all right.
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05/12/2020 10:10:36 7 1
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The EU are protecting the major thing that the EU was built on which is idea of the level playing field. So of course they are going to play hard ball with that.
05/12/2020 11:33:07 2 0
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That's the end then, honesty and Johnson don't sit well together.
05/12/2020 12:00:00 2 0
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It the stupidest option. Particularly during a global crisis.
05/12/2020 13:18:18 1 0
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Sorry John but the UK has been doing lots of things over the last 47 years that the EU would never really have approved of so your argument is mute.
05/12/2020 13:42:36 1 0
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bllox bull.
05/12/2020 13:59:22 0 2
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EU Demanding UK territorial waters in return for trade is illegal under International Law. Has Never been demanded of any other nation on earth by the EU and is in my opinion tantamount to an Act of War by the EU/Germany against UK Sovereignty.
05/12/2020 14:08:34 2 0
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Name one thing that the EU has forced us to do that our government did not want.
05/12/2020 14:17:08 0 1
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Agreed. See my own posted comment today.
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05/12/2020 14:21:39 1 0
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John_Bull. Remove the John and you have what your comment really is.
05/12/2020 14:45:01 0 0
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And therein lies the rub, the only honest opinion is the one doesn't want to tell people straight. Because a lot will lose out and blame Boris and he can't cope with not being popular.
05/12/2020 15:40:15 0 0
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Good on you John.
Man the gunboats the French fishermen are coming
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05/12/2020 09:14:20 34 36
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Macron is becoming a bit of a world idiot. If he isn't careful he'll overtake Johnson.
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05/12/2020 09:21:32 6 28
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Macron is wonderful. He is going to prevent an FTA. BrExcellent.
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DVM
05/12/2020 09:37:40 0 1
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And Trump.
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05/12/2020 09:14:21 29 20
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Boris still trying to get the foil off the 'oven ready' deal!
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05/12/2020 09:17:25 19 26
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My goodness, do people still say that. How very 2018.

Next you'll be going on about a big red bus and bleating 'exit brexit'.... Move on.
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05/12/2020 09:14:33 875 333
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The BBC still chooses to ignore the fisheries act passed on 23/11/2020. It beggars belief. The Fisheries Act 2020 gives the UK full control of its fishing waters for the first time since 1973. The Fisheries Act will enable the UK to control who fishes in our waters through a new foreign vessel licencing regime and ends the current automatic rights for EU vessels to fish in UK waters.
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05/12/2020 09:19:37 787 460
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Do you realise that British fishers also fish in other countries waters? How do you think international agreements work? By each side not giving an inch to the other and insisting on sovereignty? Unfortunately, we cannot eat 'sovereignty'.
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05/12/2020 09:26:30 113 54
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The UK also chose to sell some of its fishing rights to foreign fleet owners a few years ago and is now telling them that they cannot do so. International negotiations are about give and take, not diktats decided on a whim because the UK is a "sovereign nation". The other nations are sovereign too and the UK is just about to discover this.
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05/12/2020 09:28:20 88 20
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A large chunk of the fishing rights were sold off years ago. Even if we got what we wanted ironically one of the main beneficiaries would be European base Companies.
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05/12/2020 09:29:32 112 51
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You do realise that Boris signed into law a Withdrawal Agreement which he is slowly unpicking. Why should anyone believe in anything he does
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05/12/2020 09:30:11 101 16
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When quotas were introduced British Trawler owners sold out to the French and Spanish, leaving their employees on shore.
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05/12/2020 09:40:32 43 17
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Most ordinary Brits couldn’t give a hoot about fishing if it leaves us worse off. It’s just a jingoistic sop to deluded flag waving Quitters.
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05/12/2020 09:28:02 20 53
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Another day of endless, repetitive posts from remainers who still refuse to accept reality.

We would have had an agreement a couple of years ago if the liberal metropolitan elite had accepted the democratic decision instead of spending 4 years trying to overturn it.
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05/12/2020 09:54:19 30 5
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I've just unilaterally declared myself king of my house and exempted myself from paying all taxes, but I still want my bins emptied and my children schooled. Let's see how that goes.
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05/12/2020 09:58:10 9 1
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Another cod war on the cards perhaps. Remember that and how the UK treated Iceland.
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05/12/2020 10:01:21 6 1
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Could you leave the fish alone please?
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Bob
05/12/2020 10:01:57 7 5
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But we are still speaking about 0.1% of the economy, yes?
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05/12/2020 10:06:15 9 1
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...and you forget that 2/3rds of the current UK waters are Scottish. When we leave and rejoin the Fisheries Act authority is a Scottish matter.
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05/12/2020 10:06:20 12 2
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Ridiculous comment. Even if the UK catches 100% of the fish in British waters where will they sell them if the EU bans fish imports from the UK.
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05/12/2020 10:07:01 7 1
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You don't seem to have read the act, do you? I guess you just took the daily fail summary as gospel.

It stakes quite clearly the circumstances under which foreign boats may fish in British waters, and they are many. Lols.
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05/12/2020 10:07:19 11 1
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What about all the fishing rights our fishermen sold to European interests for profit? Do you suppose you can can just enact law to take a dump all over contracts made? Oh yeah, we’re British so as long as we’re breaking international law “in a highly specific way” then that’s alright then.

I know. I’ll become prime minister and vote to give myself all the gold in London.
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05/12/2020 10:07:32 11 2
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We sold our fishing rights to various EU countries back in the 90’s. We can’t just pass laws and expect them to automatically hand back what is their property.
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05/12/2020 10:14:29 5 1
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It's seems you swallowed the bait Jim.
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05/12/2020 10:25:46 7 1
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Maybe the Government could add a repatriation of former UK companies Act while they're at it.

The Govet recently allowed the Sale without so much as a whimper of our World leading Flagship Tech company ARM to the US via Japanese Softbank, ironically just after the Japan Trade Deal was announced for our world leading Tech.

Maybe even repatriate Cadbury's as well as the Kraft stuff is awful.
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05/12/2020 10:26:20 6 1
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Still uninformed still quoting a distorted reality still ignoring other facts... like where does Britain want to sell the fish it catches EU. whatever will we do if we lose this 0.1% of our economy
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05/12/2020 09:14:52 22 28
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An awful lot of people still seem to want the UK to be subservient to, and ruled over by the EU. Saddening.
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05/12/2020 09:29:01 5 8
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It’s not their fault, they have been brainwashed by the EU.
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05/12/2020 09:14:54 35 27
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Boris the negotiator. No wonder we are the laughing stock of the world. He's really thick, have we not spotted that yet?
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05/12/2020 09:22:32 13 21
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He maybe many things but he is certainly not thick and although it may not seem like it he can play many moves ahead.
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05/12/2020 09:33:25 0 3
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Another leftie EU loving labour supporter. You lost, move on.
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05/12/2020 09:57:35 1 1
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Not actually thick, just as Trump isn't. Boris is lazy, narcissistic, scared of challenges from more able or more dynamic colleagues who will show him up. He tries to wing it, seeks advice from the wrong people, &c. He's the affable owner of a village pub where the pipes are not cleaned, there is no paper in the loos, and the staff keep walking out. Can't understand why it's losing money.
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05/12/2020 09:14:57 26 29
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No deal is just fine.
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05/12/2020 09:22:52 3 1
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It will be Herring & Chips for you then
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05/12/2020 09:23:13 3 1
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WTO=14% inflation through Tarrifs alone!
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05/12/2020 09:14:59 18 24
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They never wanted us to leave in the 1st place.. without our money Europe is bankrupt... I don’t think Germany will pump in more money to make up the short fall in.. all they want is our tax money
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05/12/2020 09:13:01 23 24
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Walk away Boris.
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05/12/2020 09:15:04 13 10
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Too Late!

He's crawled back.
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MVP
05/12/2020 09:15:08 20 28
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We are in the midst of a global pandemic

No one anticipated this back in 2016

This is the time to pull together with our allies not turn our back on the world.

Let's be strong enough to accept that Brexit was a folly and scrap it so we can get back to normal as a member of the most successful trading block in the world rather than being out in the cold
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05/12/2020 09:18:27 14 13
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Or let's accept the referendum result and implement it, instead of being so divisive and insulting in refusing to accept it.
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05/12/2020 09:19:02 4 6
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Many the remainders who lost a free and fare vote should pull together and expect we are leaving.. why should the winner side have to give the losers what they want
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JB
05/12/2020 09:22:04 3 6
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The EUs record on supporting member countries during the pandemic has been atrocious, where have you been?
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05/12/2020 09:23:20 4 5
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Another flipping Remainer, clutching at straws. What makes you think that the rest of the EU would want us back?
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05/12/2020 09:23:53 2 6
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Our allies are not being very kind to us. They are not holding out a hand of friendship. They appear to be saying that if you don't follow our political ideology you are at the back of the list as far as trade is concerned. It is not a nice way to treat "allies".
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05/12/2020 09:30:02 2 3
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We have vaccines, the pandemic is on the back foot.

2016, true, maybe we should have moved more quickly.

Who's turning their back?

Let's just get out done. The pandemic needn't stop is working.
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05/12/2020 09:38:06 2 4
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Let’s be strong enough to accept that every democratic vote we have had since 2015 has supported Brexit. It must be implemented or democracy is dead... and democracy is far more important than being a member of the EU.
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05/12/2020 09:15:08 45 43
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Walk away Boris
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05/12/2020 09:17:22 51 36
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And keep walking straight off the end of the cliff please :)
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05/12/2020 09:21:38 10 5
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Yes Boris. Please walk. We all know you’ve over-reached. Time to move on for the nation’s sake. ??
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05/12/2020 09:54:14 1 2
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Typical comment from the low end thinkers.

If He thought it was a good idea He & his predeccessors would have walked already. The simple reason for that is despite his bluster He realises its the UK that will be hurt the most.

The Covid issue has multiplied the problem. the UK is now faced with a mega competitive post Covid world, where those with oven ready FT deals will trump those on WTO.
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05/12/2020 09:13:01 23 24
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Walk away Boris.
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05/12/2020 09:15:15 4 2
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Off a cliff.
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05/12/2020 09:12:30 21 24
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Surely the only realistic outcome here is an extension to the transition period. Even if it's only for six months until the peak of the pandemic has passed.
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05/12/2020 09:15:28 15 17
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Said from a remainer.. let’s stay and stay and hope the people change our mind
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05/12/2020 09:15:58 74 64
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Why should the EU trust this revolting liar?
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05/12/2020 09:30:22 39 26
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They shouldn't and they don't.
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05/12/2020 09:43:22 5 5
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He's their negotiator.
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05/12/2020 09:48:15 4 6
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And why should we trust an institution that has hypocrsiy as its middle name
05/12/2020 11:15:18 0 2
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because unlike Mdm Lagarde, he hasn't been convicted yet. ;-)
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05/12/2020 09:16:13 6 3
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You have to pay good money, or you don't get the best people.
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05/12/2020 09:22:38 4 1
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But paying top dollar is no guarantee of “ best” , either.
No HYS on the Labour mayor in Liverpool.....

What a surprise.

Anyway what does Andy Burnham think about it? Seen as though the BBC is his media outlet.
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05/12/2020 09:18:06 3 2
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Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? I didn't know the law had changed to trial by social media.
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05/12/2020 09:19:16 1 2
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Prince of Thieves.
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05/12/2020 09:22:53 1 3
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No media coverage of the fact the Tories were found to have broken the law over Windrush, by th EHRC -yes, the very same who found against Labour and anti-semitism - no headlines of "day of shame" for the Tories - and your point is?
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05/12/2020 09:16:42 25 25
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Why is the EU negotiating fishing in british sovereign waters? They shouldn't be in the negotiations at all. Lets go to France and take there grapes, and Spain and take there oranges, this I know is stupid but so is the fishing rights ..........
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05/12/2020 09:21:35 22 7
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THEIR
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05/12/2020 09:16:47 1 3
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Corbies Clowns

Mackerel Maccer will be the topic of the conversation...

#

The conversation you said would never happen.

Dry those salty tears.
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05/12/2020 09:16:48 2 3
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Can’t believe Theresa May say on this for 2 years and it’s come to the 11 hour to solve.
Walk away. Keep our waters and start blowing up any boats that enter without permission. No exceptions. Removed
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05/12/2020 09:16:52 5 4
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Grown up little man.
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mr
05/12/2020 09:16:56 506 288
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The fishing one should be very easy to resolve.
Ask those wanting access to UK waters for access to their vineyards.
It should make them realise what they are asking.
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05/12/2020 09:20:00 380 269
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Doh! The EU isn't asking us to accept their wine tariff -free, which is exactly what Boris is demanding - yep, no access to UK waters but tariff-free access to the SM for UK fish exports - now, you might see the problem
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05/12/2020 09:39:28 52 10
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They already have access to our waters. We sold off a big chunk of our rights years ago and most of the companies are European based.

Sadly, I don't think we had the forsight to buy up 45% of thier Vineyards however
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05/12/2020 09:46:52 14 49
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Simple solution - stop buying all EU produced wine. But they can’t manage without the fish from UK waters
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05/12/2020 09:56:55 15 12
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Is there no fish in French waters ?
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05/12/2020 09:58:12 24 35
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Who buys EU wine any more? Much better and cheaper from New Zealand, Australia and South America.
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05/12/2020 10:10:19 35 6
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Why, did the EU sell the rights to vinyards because they were too lazy/pessimistic to make wine themselves. Must have missed that.
05/12/2020 10:37:45 3 2
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Common sense answers . Please
05/12/2020 10:49:47 9 1
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Seems like you don’t quite understand the issue. I hope you didn’t use your lack of knowledge to guide you when you voted in the referendum. If the majority did that we could find ourselves in a bit of a mess.
05/12/2020 10:54:04 7 1
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We do nothing to the sea but fish there.
Vineyards require years of hard work to make them profitable.
You are not comparing like for like.
05/12/2020 10:58:44 15 1
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The Tories want a no deal, and they are using the fishing stance as an excuse to claim that they've turned down a deal because of 'sovereignty'. However, they also know that a hundred thousand British workers whose jobs depend on trade with Europe are going to be livid when those jobs go and they get thrown on the scrapheap.

Fishing is the Tories excuse to blame it all on the EU.
05/12/2020 11:09:20 8 0
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mr,if you had paid good money for said vineyard and you hold an agreement to that effect then you would be granted access.Those asking for access paid good money in good faith for the State issued fishing quota. UK PLC is leaving..we have sold out and taken the money but still insist on the benefits we held before;how so? We have resigned,walked away,forfeited all previous rights and entitlements.
05/12/2020 11:11:04 3 0
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we have access, we can buy them if we want.
05/12/2020 11:12:50 5 0
bbc
HA HA but Boris is begging for access for UK fish to the Single Market. Lets go for no deal and have 50% tariffs on UK fish entering the EU. British fish will be unsaleable and left rotting on docks.

Not as simple as it looks.
05/12/2020 11:21:40 0 6
bbc
I don't see the EU asking China to abide by EU rules or, asking Saudi if the EU can have access to it's oil fields. We all know what this is about. And if it is the UK with so much to lose and not the EU, then why are the EU carrying on the way they are doing? WE KNOW.
05/12/2020 11:36:57 1 0
bbc
what a stupid question
05/12/2020 11:40:17 0 4
bbc
Just say "no". It is easy.
True that they will say "no" to things we want too.
Best way to negotiate is to start it later next year, after we are out and WTO rules are operating.
Then the EU won't have us over a barrel, in any way whatsoever.
And we will have lots of time to negotiate properly.
05/12/2020 11:44:12 4 1
bbc
Most of the cod stocks are in EU waters.
Most of the mackerel stocks are in UK waters.
Most Brits don't like mackerel, but most Europeans are happy to drink their own wine. (^_^)
Check mate?
05/12/2020 11:45:40 1 0
bbc
I have been accessing 'their' vineyards for years.
In the shape of a bottle.
Also America, SouthAmerica, Australia, New Zealand, etc
The whole world is welcome in my glasses.
05/12/2020 11:55:58 2 1
bbc
What about access to their waters for our fishermen? Not all of our fishing is done in U.K. waters. What about tariff free access to their single market. 80% of our U.K. catch is exported to the EU.
NH
05/12/2020 12:32:35 3 0
bbc
Fishing is utterly irrelevant. it represents an unimaginably small part of our economy, and is shrinking.
The loss of the entire british fishing fleet would cost us the same in a year, as increased car tariffs will cost in a day.
It's a political shiny thing used to distract the xenophobic rubes.
05/12/2020 12:43:32 3 0
bbc
The UK willingly sold its fishing rights to foreign vessels. UK politicians shoot our own industries in the foots and their brainless followers applaud them for blaming the foreigners
05/12/2020 12:57:53 0 0
bbc
I am sure the Eu will agree. There is just one risk. Those that get pissed on free wine and can't walk back to England will be ferried beyond the coast and tossed into International water with the advice to swim home.

As I understand it pissed swimmers never make the Olympic team because they are not good at swimming.
05/12/2020 13:28:58 2 0
bbc
The EU Commission proposes, implements, monitors and represents.

It does not decide .

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies_en

EU institutions and bodies in brief ( extract)

European Parliament
European Council
Council of the European Union

Look up the functions of those three bodies on the Website.
They make the decisions. All members are democratically elected.
SB
05/12/2020 14:01:26 2 0
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Plenty of foreign ownership of French vineyards. Including British.
The French aren’t asking for no-cost access to fish.
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05/12/2020 09:15:08 45 43
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Walk away Boris
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05/12/2020 09:17:22 51 36
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And keep walking straight off the end of the cliff please :)
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05/12/2020 09:17:23 444 257
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The Guardian revealed this morning that the level playing field issue is that the EU wish to exempt EU funding from state aid rules.

And yet the remain media keep spinning that the UK is the errant party. Silly silly remain narratives.
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05/12/2020 09:26:55 299 241
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The media know how naive you Leavers are and feed you nay old tripe to be regurgitated - EU funding is noting to do with state funding - tell that to Germany, who pay in by far the most into the EU pot - all the money is spent on social and environmental projects, not business
Stupid stupid leave idiots. I can be patronising as well sausage. Removed
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05/12/2020 09:30:10 9 1
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@Joseph Dejacque just whose State Aid rules could the EU want to be exempted from? Shoddy reporting and analysis on both sides.
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05/12/2020 09:32:59 30 7
bbc
Well the UK used to get EU funding for underdeveloped regions like Cornwall and Wales, so what's the problem?
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05/12/2020 09:49:55 31 11
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You do know that EU funding is used for the good of communities not companies don't you? With Boris being so untrustworthy they know they have to leave nothing to trust
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05/12/2020 09:58:55 27 9
bbc
Seeing the way this government has handed contracts to their mates and the back handers they get for it. So no wonder
-50Billion cash is missing
-The EU do not trust them with level playing field

Corruption all the way
05/12/2020 11:24:33 8 1
bbc
Oh didums - is the UK wanting it the UKs way... get it - if you exempt 1 side the other is also exempt meaning they can do what they like - The EU is not a state - thats the core confusion - if you act n do they way the UK is it will bite itself in the As
VoR
05/12/2020 11:58:19 0 0
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Surely that makes complete sense, given the UK govt wants to be free to offer state aid to UK companies. The EU needs to do the same for a level playing field, or the UK needs to avoid state funding.
05/12/2020 13:15:00 1 1
bbc
The British Government is about to pass a law that will allow it to break any agreement it enters into.

The word is going around the world that there is point of making a trade agreement with Britain because it isn't worth the paper it is written on.

I guess the EU knows it would expose itself to great risk with a trade agreement with Britain.
05/12/2020 13:53:59 1 0
bbc
I really struggle to I understand. All of a sudden Tories want state aid and oh wait. They want to subsidise their mates (like the train companies or all these others they've been pumping money in recently) but as soon as they make money we reduce taxes.
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05/12/2020 09:13:56 15 24
bbc
Typical Brexiteer.

Lots of big talk then ends up begging.

Maybe No Deal isn't better than a bad deal?

??????????????????
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05/12/2020 09:17:23 8 6
bbc
Is your screen name supposed to be ironic?
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05/12/2020 09:14:21 29 20
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Boris still trying to get the foil off the 'oven ready' deal!
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05/12/2020 09:17:25 19 26
bbc
My goodness, do people still say that. How very 2018.

Next you'll be going on about a big red bus and bleating 'exit brexit'.... Move on.
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05/12/2020 09:25:43 6 3
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No,it's taken since 2018 for him to realise the foil was there in the first place!
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05/12/2020 10:00:02 6 3
bbc
Absolutely, please don't remind us of the lies. Just say sunny uplands. Pathetic.
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05/12/2020 09:17:46 19 16
bbc
With Ursula there will be one adult in the room.
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05/12/2020 09:20:41 5 2
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And only one shared hairstyle :)
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05/12/2020 09:17:53 3 1
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Theatre theatre theatre
44
05/12/2020 09:17:56 11 8
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What's the worst that can happen?
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05/12/2020 09:25:23 23 12
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We go bankrupt?
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05/12/2020 09:26:59 5 3
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We roll over and end up with BRINO
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05/12/2020 09:29:57 8 3
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Johnson, gove, Patel, raab, williamson etc
No HYS on the Labour mayor in Liverpool.....

What a surprise.

Anyway what does Andy Burnham think about it? Seen as though the BBC is his media outlet.
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05/12/2020 09:18:06 3 2
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Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? I didn't know the law had changed to trial by social media.
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MVP
05/12/2020 09:15:08 20 28
bbc
We are in the midst of a global pandemic

No one anticipated this back in 2016

This is the time to pull together with our allies not turn our back on the world.

Let's be strong enough to accept that Brexit was a folly and scrap it so we can get back to normal as a member of the most successful trading block in the world rather than being out in the cold
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05/12/2020 09:18:27 14 13
bbc
Or let's accept the referendum result and implement it, instead of being so divisive and insulting in refusing to accept it.
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SEB
05/12/2020 09:18:27 4 8
bbc
Totally bored by it all, past caring
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05/12/2020 09:13:56 15 24
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Typical Brexiteer.

Lots of big talk then ends up begging.

Maybe No Deal isn't better than a bad deal?

??????????????????
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05/12/2020 09:18:30 5 4
bbc
You've had 4 years to move out of the country you hate so much.....

Suppose it's easy to just spend your time whingeing about a democratic vote you lost.

xxxxx Bye bye EU xxxxx
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05/12/2020 09:18:37 11 11
bbc
ha,ha. johnsons overcooked his oven ready deal. lol
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05/12/2020 09:18:38 27 21
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no deal is possible whilst France is pulling the strings!
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05/12/2020 09:33:22 13 9
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Weird, it's almost like France is a sovereign nation which participates in a mutually-beneficial trading bloc, instead of the slave to an evil empire which Brexiteers have been trying to convince anyone stupid enough to listen to them that EU membership is.
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05/12/2020 09:39:19 2 1
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Four coastal countries are opposed to it, so please stop posting xenophobic arguments.
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05/12/2020 09:18:56 132 95
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Please come to a deal, it's for the best on all sides. The Americans have successfully rid themselves of Trump madness and it's a shame we never got out confirmatory referendum on Brexit madness so that we could do the same. The referendum vote was never for no deal.
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05/12/2020 09:27:33 82 92
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Confirmatory referendum, would we have got one if the vote had been to remain, do we have election re runs, You know just to make sure, Please stop with the anti democratic rhetoric, its putin/trump like....
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05/12/2020 09:48:08 9 21
bbc
The referendum I voted in was to leave the EU and take back control of our country. That includes our laws and who comes and stays or who goes. What we give and what we keep
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Bob
05/12/2020 10:21:26 10 1
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Well Brexit is a slow motion car crash and we have been watching that with a big potion of popcorn...
05/12/2020 10:33:35 2 4
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I guess you never read the papers that came through your door, Mine said out was out.
05/12/2020 10:39:10 1 4
bbc
The referendum was to leave which we have. It takes 2 sides to reach a deal unless one side totally capitulates; is that what you want?
05/12/2020 10:55:50 0 5
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Nor was it for a deal. Tho' remainers kept saying if we voted leave it would be no deal. Still, who cares, other than Merkel who I hear isn't too impressed that Macron is happy to stuff German Industry for his fishermen in the hope he'll get re-elected. Not smart, as the US has authority from WTO to apply 25% tariff to EU cars. To stuff 1 car market is unfortunate, 2 is madness ;-)
05/12/2020 18:08:58 0 0
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Surely the referendum vote was in or out?
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MVP
05/12/2020 09:15:08 20 28
bbc
We are in the midst of a global pandemic

No one anticipated this back in 2016

This is the time to pull together with our allies not turn our back on the world.

Let's be strong enough to accept that Brexit was a folly and scrap it so we can get back to normal as a member of the most successful trading block in the world rather than being out in the cold
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05/12/2020 09:19:02 4 6
bbc
Many the remainders who lost a free and fare vote should pull together and expect we are leaving.. why should the winner side have to give the losers what they want
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05/12/2020 09:19:03 6 9
bbc
Brexiteers begging Boris to walk away after he's just crawled to the EU instead of walking away as he promised.

What a great start to a Saturday!
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05/12/2020 09:19:13 4 10
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Brexit: Boris Johnson and EU chief seek to break trade deal deadlock, at this point Boris, you must stick to your guns, its now the EU consider the UK at its most vulnerable and wants to take advantage...
No HYS on the Labour mayor in Liverpool.....

What a surprise.

Anyway what does Andy Burnham think about it? Seen as though the BBC is his media outlet.
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05/12/2020 09:19:16 1 2
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Prince of Thieves.
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05/12/2020 09:19:25 418 229
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They're going to need massive lorry park.
Level the whole of Kent and rename it..
...Farage's Garages.
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05/12/2020 09:38:20 95 117
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Ha ha top post
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05/12/2020 09:38:23 24 1
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They're going to need massive lorry park......get your new board game for Christmas.....Truck & Trace......!
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05/12/2020 09:44:47 27 1
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Levelling the whole of Kent for a trucks to prepare their paperwork and customs dues. Yes, it's called a level paying field.
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05/12/2020 09:52:30 3 15
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Presumably they will have the same problem on their side of the channel?
477
05/12/2020 09:54:36 6 8
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I used to have no problems before the borders where taken down just as long as your paper work was up to scratch, I drove in the EU for 20 years and faced more waiting times at the German and Italian border than arriving back into the UK..
522
05/12/2020 09:57:18 5 1
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You should be in advertising!
540
05/12/2020 09:58:13 29 2
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Glad it’s Kent
Little Britain mentality I know
But that’s what got us in this place

Enjoyed reading my letter from HMG telling me to make sure I’m ready for brexit but lacked any details whatsoever
Thanks
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05/12/2020 10:01:57 1 18
bbc
They will also need a massive lorry park on the other side of the channel
772
05/12/2020 10:12:04 13 0
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Did you have to mention him again? Mercifully we have had a few months of Farage-free media coverage recently. Now that his old mucker across the pond has got the boot one hoped we'd never hear of him again.
797
05/12/2020 10:14:32 1 0
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Stolen Richard herring joke.
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05/12/2020 10:22:55 0 0
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Silly boy
936
05/12/2020 10:22:55 2 2
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Not according to Calais and Rotterdam bosses, both of whom said, 18 months ago, they were ready for a no deal Brexit and there would be no queues, at least not because of Brexit, there may be due to industrial action in Calais, but then no one seemed too fazed about that a few weeks ago when that happened.
05/12/2020 10:28:57 0 2
bbc
What about the big lorry parks in Calais and Zeebrugge?
05/12/2020 10:46:16 2 8
bbc
Perhaps our farmers will go back to growing food for us again.
Perhaps we can take over those foreign car plants and make our own again.
Perhaps all those substandard goods with EU stickers on that get in through the back door will stop flooding our country.

All this transporting of goods back and forth is completely stupid from every angle.
05/12/2020 10:52:57 1 1
bbc
They are doing the same at the French ports to accommodate all the German car transporters, what’s good for the goose.".................
05/12/2020 10:53:18 3 0
bbc
More like Farage's toilet
05/12/2020 10:53:34 0 0
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Same in France
05/12/2020 11:32:47 0 2
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All the comedians are out today....and how we laughed!
05/12/2020 11:47:26 2 1
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If the government has been reckless by not preparing properly, than blame it for the mess.
05/12/2020 13:06:06 2 0
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Why would you need a lorry park? There's a shortage of HGV drivers in the EU. They are paid by kilometer, mostly Eastern/Southern European, and can pick and choose their routes. If there's delays at Dover or Calais they'll change employer/route. Imports to UK by road will plummet as they are no longer cost effective for the drivers... Empty shelves, increased costs, no sunlit uplands!
05/12/2020 13:56:12 1 1
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70% of HGVs on UK roads are EU vehicles therefore if any delays are instigated by the French collaborators we only need to prioritise HGVs going back to the EU loaded with UK goods. Most go back empty after unloading EU goods in UK. So the drivers in the queues will be mostly Foreign.
05/12/2020 14:29:08 0 2
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Wow...that's original. Of course, imagination isn't a remain strong point.
05/12/2020 15:14:13 1 0
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'Arf ! 'Arf ! Like it.
Well said.
05/12/2020 15:18:11 0 0
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The park would be for lorries leaving the UK - there is no barrier the other way round. Perhaps we could ease the problem by ensuring Irish lorries go to the back of the queue.
SCJ
05/12/2020 15:23:39 1 0
bbc
With a Boris Bog in every lay-by
05/12/2020 17:04:48 0 0
bbc
Why Lorries why not trains /airoplanes??
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05/12/2020 09:19:35 9 3
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Any agreement needs to be passed by the EU member states, and that is not at all certain. Boris’ friends in France in particular have threatened a veto, with other EU fishing nations putting pressure on this area of disagreement too. Then there are other areas such as governance to agree upon.
Guess who has all the cards
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05/12/2020 09:22:49 8 5
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If you are implying the EU has the cards then boy are they making a big mess of it. The EU are in real trouble from all sides at the moment and are in a position of weakness both politically and financially. Read up your fact before you spout.
05/12/2020 11:19:34 0 0
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Leave means Leave. Get over it, let us go
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05/12/2020 09:14:33 875 333
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The BBC still chooses to ignore the fisheries act passed on 23/11/2020. It beggars belief. The Fisheries Act 2020 gives the UK full control of its fishing waters for the first time since 1973. The Fisheries Act will enable the UK to control who fishes in our waters through a new foreign vessel licencing regime and ends the current automatic rights for EU vessels to fish in UK waters.
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05/12/2020 09:19:37 787 460
bbc
Do you realise that British fishers also fish in other countries waters? How do you think international agreements work? By each side not giving an inch to the other and insisting on sovereignty? Unfortunately, we cannot eat 'sovereignty'.
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05/12/2020 09:28:46 88 103
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Except that's what the EU were doing to us, which is one reason we left in the first place. The fishing rights were one-sided. They could come over and fish in British waters, but if we started fishing on the French side there were howls of protest.
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05/12/2020 09:30:36 45 22
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Very good point unfortunately we can eat humble pie and there is likely to be plenty of that around...
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05/12/2020 09:30:59 94 94
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Perhaps you should have gone to Specsavers.

The bill states others can fish in UK waters but they need to apply for a licence. No doubt reciprocated by UK boats fishing in EU waters.

Easy.

But the EU don't like having to seek permission they just want to take...
Don't be stupid. It is you that doesn't realise what is going on. Do you honestly think that having left the EU it is right to carry on with the EU having 80 percent access. The latest demand is to extend access transition for 10 years, do you think that is right. Removed
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05/12/2020 09:40:17 46 29
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You are correct in what you say, but their waters have not got the fish stocks that the UK waters have so why should we concede something that is of value and will create UK JOBS.
That's correct, but their waters are not as productive, which is why they want to rape out fishing grounds and our guys get their quotas crushed. this act will not stop reciprocal agreement, but unlike before, we can now control by licence who fishes in our waters and how much they can take. it'll be likewise if we want to fish theirs, this will enable our fishing industry to once again flourish Removed
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05/12/2020 09:54:36 3 3
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Yes, politicians the likes of Boris Johnson can.
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05/12/2020 09:57:07 16 4
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If they have no bread let them eat blue passports
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05/12/2020 09:59:37 3 16
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Actually that is how it works. Two sovereign nations agree reciprocal terms of access. The EU is demanding access and an almost status quo. No way!
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05/12/2020 10:02:20 10 7
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Basil, do you realise that EU non UK fishers catch 6 times the amount of fish in UK waters that UK fishing vessels do? Living in a Scottish fishing port I have seen from around 1975 the virtual collapse of the local fishing industry, not entirely EU's fault but by far the largest contributor.
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05/12/2020 10:05:12 1 13
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Why would we need to fish in other people's waters? We have everything we need here in our own.
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05/12/2020 10:05:25 0 4
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You're right, we can't eat sovereignty, but we don't eat much fish anyway so it not a problem for us.
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05/12/2020 10:07:28 0 13
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Yes I agree you can not eat sovereignty, but some people and the BBC still can not accept and will not accept that the majority of the UK want sovereignty back under our control.

kind regards.
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05/12/2020 10:17:12 1 5
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I see Merkel is a tad upset at Macron ;-)
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05/12/2020 10:18:52 0 5
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You have no clues about fishing Basil dear chap....
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05/12/2020 10:19:05 0 10
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But we can eat the ample amount of fish in our waters that the EU currently vaccums with their disgusting and environmentally destroying super trawlers. An agreement only works if reciprocity is adhered to and our fisheries have been pillaged for years. We keep our fisheries and anything exotic we can pay a fair price for on the international markets.
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05/12/2020 10:22:46 0 5
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They are more than welcome to use the same license system!
05/12/2020 10:30:59 1 8
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BUT we should be able to leave the table with the resources we brought to it if we feel we have been giving more than receiving.
To stir you all up, Margaret Thatcher was our only leader than did get the better of the EU, none before and none since because she was the ultimate politician.
But all politicians are fated to fail at some point, the nature of it.
Power for the sake of power.
05/12/2020 10:31:01 1 5
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UK waters have more fish then the UK need. However, they are our waters.
EU demands to over 80% of the fish in our waters is not acceptable.

The gove should have done much better at negotiating than they have, and a long time ago. 4.5 years of turmoil for businesses is utterly incompetant from the gov. Their dithering stupidity has cost billions & our kids will pay for it.
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05/12/2020 09:17:01 14 20
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Let us hope and pray that they cannot agree on a deal and the UK is then free to prosper without that monkey on our backs, dragging us down and holding us back.
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05/12/2020 09:27:24 4 2
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nissan,seimens,honda,fiat,mercedes,bmw and many more, oh we are being held back by your tory chums
Soo
05/12/2020 11:47:46 0 0
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Since you realized that only hope and prayer can help, I'm curious if you believe in the virgin Mary, as well?
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05/12/2020 09:17:58 12 16
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The only deal the EU want will damage the UK.

Look at the Withdrawal Agreement, it puts a border inside the UK and destroys Northern Ireland business and food supply. GB is Northern Ireland's biggest market by far.

Better to walk away than to accept another bad deal. Then we can implement the Internal Market Bill and rip up the scandalous Withdrawal Agreement.
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05/12/2020 09:24:45 7 1
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Johnson put that border in the Irish sea, even though he promised not to. Nobody else did that for him. He could have agreed to better terms.
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05/12/2020 09:26:07 0 0
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eu says that as well
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05/12/2020 09:30:23 1 0
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Who negotiated, agreed and signed that ‘scandalous’ Withdrawal deal? Who campaigned upon it? Which party voted it through?
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05/12/2020 09:18:00 150 102
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The cast of a tragicomedy government versus the cream of European politics, what could possibly go wrong?
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05/12/2020 09:25:17 141 82
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The cream of European politics hahahahahahah. That's a good one
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05/12/2020 09:55:24 10 11
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Merkel may be cream. The rest of them.... sour milk at best.
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05/12/2020 09:56:25 10 10
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I think the cream's gone a bit sour.
05/12/2020 10:34:47 3 1
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Next you will be telling me Christine Lagarde can't hide behind a corkscrew
05/12/2020 10:50:13 5 9
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Wow, I'm impressed, a rejoiner admitted that the debacle that is the EU is the 'Cream' of European Politics. Such low expectations, and yet, the EU Cream still can't live up even to them. Lucky we left, couldn't have timed it better with the economic disaster that is the covid lock-downs. Now we only need to bail ourselves out & not S Europe too.
05/12/2020 11:36:20 5 3
bbc
Add a mistaken referendum.
05/12/2020 13:30:28 3 2
bbc
The cream??!! I think you're confusing it with the other stuff that always rises to the top.......................................
05/12/2020 13:43:38 2 2
bbc
EU politicians not a high bar but still our crooked chances make them look like the cream.
05/12/2020 17:56:07 0 1
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European politics, cream, never!!!!!
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mr
05/12/2020 09:16:56 506 288
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The fishing one should be very easy to resolve.
Ask those wanting access to UK waters for access to their vineyards.
It should make them realise what they are asking.
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05/12/2020 09:20:00 380 269
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Doh! The EU isn't asking us to accept their wine tariff -free, which is exactly what Boris is demanding - yep, no access to UK waters but tariff-free access to the SM for UK fish exports - now, you might see the problem
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05/12/2020 09:28:41 67 26
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@blujon I'm afraid that the Brexiteers won't see the problem. Their rose tinted spectacles are actually "Brexit blinkers" which are a handy gadget that prevents facts from get in the way of opinions.
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05/12/2020 09:55:17 31 32
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It isn't no access to our waters that is the problem, there of course will be access. The problem is that the EU wants to carry on as if the UK is still bound by EU rules and the CFP, nor do they acknowledge the UK Fisheries Act 2020. Now the Fisheries Act is Law, they need to understand.
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05/12/2020 09:56:05 21 24
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The difference is that we dont have people simply harvesting their vineyards and taking their grapes do we?
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05/12/2020 10:21:14 0 4
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No, as our 'fish exports' are in the main caught by EU fishermen, they are changing now.
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05/12/2020 10:21:58 6 20
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Bet you were bullied at school and they took your dinner money eh?
Time to learn the lesson, do not give in to bullies, stand up for yourself, that’s what the U.K. is doing.....and to quote LCpl Jones, “they don’t like it up em!”
05/12/2020 10:35:42 3 11
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We should be fishing for our fish in our waters & selling them to whoever wants them.

We should not be losing jobs in the fishing industry to other countries - that's just moronic. If they want to eat fish, they will have to buy at our prices. Tax them if they want, that just increases the cost to the consumer.
05/12/2020 10:38:09 2 10
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Have you looked at the figures?
Most UK caught fish get exported to the EU, we import more fish than we export.
We brought it to the table when we joined, can take it with us when we leave, as much as we want.
We import far more goods then we export to the EU so they are on a good deal all round.
Now we have realised they are unhappy they can't use us any more!
Never was going to be easy.
05/12/2020 10:52:09 5 1
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You simply do not understand. EU wine would be tarrif free exactly as fish because that's what a free trade deal does. You are confusing tax or duty on alcohol with tariffs.
05/12/2020 11:02:21 2 5
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You have missed the point that was made, which is they should offer us free access to harvest their grapes and sell the wine.
05/12/2020 11:03:15 3 12
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This comment epitomises the logic of remain.

Here, let me explain things to you. They want our fish for free. We want their wine at a fair price, without a tariff slapped on it.

Please stop hating your own country. It'll do you no good.
05/12/2020 11:23:25 0 2
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Unfortunately for you, there are many other countries that sell wine also.
05/12/2020 11:29:13 1 6
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No problem who wants to buy crappy french wine
05/12/2020 11:28:35 0 4
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Not actually true

The UK is happy for the EU to fish 60% of what they currently do,whereas the french want 100% or they will veto any deal.

A no deal gives them 0% so really it's up to the french to move...it's in their best interests to move to closer to 60% on the table
05/12/2020 11:41:21 0 2
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The negotiations are much more complex than your simplistic ideas.
05/12/2020 12:25:39 0 2
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YES they are asking to sell us their wine tariff free. Perfectly OK for the EU to have access to our waters but on UK terms, if that means we can't sell so much to them tariff free then that's for use to determine not the EU.
05/12/2020 12:40:15 0 1
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No, they wont. The EU is always seen as the problem. Trouble is they have no solutions or answers just rhetoric.
05/12/2020 13:06:23 0 0
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China just put a 200% tariff on AUS wine.

GB send their fish to AUS and AUS sends their wine to the UK. Its a 17,000 km delivery trip for each side.

Trouble is that there are only 24.5 million Australian compared to 66 million Brits. Not everyone eats fish every day but many drink wine each day.

Balance of trade surplus for Australia. Since they speak the same language its acceptable.
05/12/2020 13:19:28 2 0
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In the Council of the EU, informally also known as the Council, government ministers from each EU country meet to discuss, amend and adopt laws, and coordinate policies. The ministers have the authority to commit their governments to the actions agreed on in the meetings.

Together with the European Parliament, the Council is the main decision-making body of the EU. UvdL is not a member in both.
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05/12/2020 09:14:03 316 254
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The EU do not want any kind of relationship with the UK that doesn't include controlling what the UK can and can't do.

That's NOT taking back control. No Deal is now the only honest option for Boris Johnson.
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05/12/2020 09:20:12 246 182
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Or alternatively, the EU don’t want any kind of relationship with the UK where the govt can unilaterally decide to break international law & change the terms of the deal...

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

You reap what you sew.
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05/12/2020 09:27:13 7 16
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Yet they’re happy to make those kind of agreements with japan and Canada.
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05/12/2020 09:30:22 35 10
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I think that every nation in the EU has understood that they will be subjected to the whimsical moods of a spoilt child if they agree to what Johnson wants. As everyone of them is a sovereign nation too, they have to protect the rights of their citizens first. Have your cake and eat it was the UK motto from the start of the talks. Unsurprisingly the answer is NO!
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Pe
05/12/2020 09:34:55 13 2
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sow
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05/12/2020 09:38:06 1 11
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And the 2020 fisheries act? What about that. No deal means we have to ensure that N Ireland has unfettered access to UK internal Markets. There is a clause in the WA acknowledgeing UK Sovereignty.
05/12/2020 10:58:24 1 5
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You might, most reap what they sow, and the EU is reaping what they sowed. Even Germany's Constitutional Court pointed out the EU, ECJ and ECB act 'Ultra Vires' - you can look that up for yourself in between sewing.
05/12/2020 11:05:24 0 0
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Don't you mean "sow" ?
05/12/2020 11:07:27 0 0
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*sow
05/12/2020 11:29:20 0 0
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'sow'
05/12/2020 11:34:05 1 0
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Is there much value in harvesting clothing?
05/12/2020 11:51:20 0 3
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The EU wants to keep control of the UK.
It is easy to see.
05/12/2020 12:39:19 0 0
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Difficult to cut cloth with a combine harvester
05/12/2020 13:09:24 0 2
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Even more naive than your last post.

The EU were meddling in OUR politics helped and encouraged by MPs, Lords and Blair and co who briefed the EU against their own country.

If any of us did that in our jobs we would be SACKED.
05/12/2020 13:28:31 0 0
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Sow.
05/12/2020 14:44:22 0 1
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The EU breaks International Agreements on a regular basis. They broke the original Agreement with the UK by unilaterally reducing UK fish quota at each and every review. The UK quota should have stayed the same from 1973 onwards. They broke Agreements with Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy to name just a few.
05/12/2020 15:21:53 0 0
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So no EU countries have ever broken the rules? Artificial indignation.
05/12/2020 16:26:50 0 0
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Oh, please learn to spell before posting cliches. It's SOW, not sew - (as in with a needle and thread).
05/12/2020 16:49:58 0 0
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......and France has played the game from day one ?
Into the summit of death rode brave sir lard arse. Removed
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05/12/2020 09:17:46 19 16
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With Ursula there will be one adult in the room.
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05/12/2020 09:20:41 5 2
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And only one shared hairstyle :)
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05/12/2020 09:14:03 316 254
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The EU do not want any kind of relationship with the UK that doesn't include controlling what the UK can and can't do.

That's NOT taking back control. No Deal is now the only honest option for Boris Johnson.
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05/12/2020 09:20:44 22 3
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In this case, it is a deal - we can trust that the honest option will never even be considered by Johnson.
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05/12/2020 09:20:47 3 5
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JJoseph Dejacque.
Silly silly remain narratives.

Remain Narrative 1
Only a fool would expect Boris to walk away.

Spot on.
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05/12/2020 09:13:01 23 24
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Walk away Boris.
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05/12/2020 09:20:47 4 2
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?????? he can’t if he wants to survive
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05/12/2020 09:24:57 2 6
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How so? You think the conservatives will hold the labour heartlands if he rolls over? Remind me... which democratic vote in the past 5 years has indicated the country wants to remain under EU control?
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05/12/2020 09:20:54 90 17
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Nearly every member state will want something out of deal so don’t expect this to be the end, even if some agreement is reached. The horse trading hasn’t even started yet.
Gibraltar, Elgin Marbles, it’s all going to come to the fore
OT
05/12/2020 12:18:31 37 13
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The Greeks welcome to the Elgin Marbles, but they won't solve the Greek financial situation.
05/12/2020 15:23:01 1 2
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British sovereignty will come to the fore.
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tt
05/12/2020 09:20:57 11 3
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The French government vetoed our original application to join they will most likely veto this deal as well.
05/12/2020 11:18:22 1 2
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Thats great news WTO and Free UK
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05/12/2020 09:20:59 10 8
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Guardian: "...shift to direct negotiations between Boris Johnson and the European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen"

ladeeeeeez n' gennlemen!

in the red corner: weighing in as a political heavyweight, a multi-lingual graduate physician with many years in the top echelons of government

and in the blue corner: weighing in as a punctured airbag, b. spaffer

i want a good clean fight ;o)
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05/12/2020 09:21:05 15 18
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I see the cheer leaders for the EU are out in force. For those who have no knowledge, the oven ready deal was the Canadian deal. Copy paste deal done. The EU however want to control our waters, impose the European Court of Justice and set rules for the way we govern ourselves. Total disrespect for our request to leave the EU
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05/12/2020 09:27:05 2 1
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Exactly right. The EU told us that when we left that we would be a 3rd country. It seems that they are cherry picking the bits that they want to be 3rd country and other bits they want us to be treated as a member.
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05/12/2020 09:34:14 0 1
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The EU wants a protectionist club where EU countries join politically to trade with the rest of the world. So they cannot get past the fact that a country in Europe wants to trade without political union
They use distance as an excuse to impose conditions on the UK that do not apply to the rest of the world. But the reality is we undermine their political ambitions if we can get a trade only deal
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05/12/2020 09:21:05 8 6
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Ppl can blame France for derailing talks but the only ones to blame are U.K. politicans for effectively handing Britain’s future the negotiated interests of Europe leaders
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05/12/2020 09:26:07 2 2
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Everything is the UK's fault, as far as the London Luvvy Left is concerned, of which BBC / Momentum are lead members.
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05/12/2020 09:12:58 1277 716
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As Greece said "you just cannot negotiate with the EU, they only want to dictate" says it all really.
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05/12/2020 09:21:25 1028 611
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Exactly why we voted to leave.....
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05/12/2020 09:37:47 131 65
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Nearly 50% didn't!
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05/12/2020 10:01:38 41 10
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Maybe why you voted to leave. Some voted to leave so that they could eat straight bananas. Some voted to leave because they didn't want Europe dictating the hours they could and could not work. Sadly no one told them that Europe never dictated working times and UK employers were at complete liberty to opt out
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05/12/2020 10:01:45 25 11
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Exactly why you voted to leave. You don't speak for me.
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05/12/2020 10:03:58 26 11
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Exactly why you wanted to leave. Now we are on our own with no ability to negotiate.
America, india and China hovering like vultures ready to carve up the uk
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05/12/2020 10:15:06 12 7
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WE didn't. You might have done. I did not.
05/12/2020 10:36:34 2 1
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We haven't left . Or we wouldn't be having this HYS
05/12/2020 10:38:57 6 4
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“Exactly why we voted to leave”

No it’s not

It’s because you are racist and thick and you hate everyone
05/12/2020 10:42:18 1 1
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Yes and no.....done properly as a trading bloc it would have been great .... not sure if EFTA was much good but it was trade rather than political con-joining.
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05/12/2020 09:14:20 34 36
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Macron is becoming a bit of a world idiot. If he isn't careful he'll overtake Johnson.
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05/12/2020 09:21:32 6 28
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Macron is wonderful. He is going to prevent an FTA. BrExcellent.
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05/12/2020 09:40:51 2 2
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4 countries are opposed to the present fishing deal proposed by the UK and for good reasons. They have fished those waters for hundred of years.
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05/12/2020 09:55:59 1 1
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Bonkers comment. Trade & Economics isn't your strongest suite is it?
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05/12/2020 09:16:42 25 25
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Why is the EU negotiating fishing in british sovereign waters? They shouldn't be in the negotiations at all. Lets go to France and take there grapes, and Spain and take there oranges, this I know is stupid but so is the fishing rights ..........
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CDB
05/12/2020 09:21:35 22 7
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THEIR
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05/12/2020 09:15:08 45 43
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Walk away Boris
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05/12/2020 09:21:38 10 5
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Yes Boris. Please walk. We all know you’ve over-reached. Time to move on for the nation’s sake. ??
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05/12/2020 09:12:37 18 14
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France have a history of using their veto against us. I predict a deal to be agreed before January but I think the French will scupper it.
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05/12/2020 09:21:39 10 14
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Let’s hope so
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05/12/2020 09:21:39 296 148
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Don’t panic, everyone. Boris is just pre-heating the oven to gas mark 6 in anticipation of sliding in his ‘oven ready, easiest trade deal in history’ to cook.
Zzzzz Removed
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05/12/2020 09:44:55 10 26
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Another person who doesn't understand the subject under discussion but feels the urge to say 'something' even if it is rubbish.
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Jim
05/12/2020 09:48:14 16 22
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You are a tadge confused. The oven ready deal referred to the Withdrawal Agreement, not the future relationship, which was delivered 53 days after Boris won the election with a massive majority and it was Liam Fox (now in the wilderness) who said it would be the easiest trade deal in history. If we stick to facts we might just judge the argument more fully and with precision.
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05/12/2020 09:51:01 8 32
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Of course there will be a deal, they're just holding off to give you moaners something to remoan about until it's done - LOL
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05/12/2020 09:55:12 33 12
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What happened to BoJo's 'the easiest deal ever'. Like everything that BoJo says it just goes completely wrong. Who voted for this clown.
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05/12/2020 10:04:42 7 0
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Cook...half baked surely ;)
05/12/2020 10:27:29 1 10
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IF he is then he should have read Liam Fox's words reported on BBC and in the Guardian, (link below for ill informed rejoiners), where he says the only thing that would stop 'the easiest trade deal in history' was the politics. Macron just proved Fox right.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/20/liam-fox-uk-eu-trade-deal-after-brexit-easiest-human-history
05/12/2020 10:40:02 3 0
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If he doesn't get another dose of corvid as he doesn't respect quarantine, like most of the stupid people.
05/12/2020 11:22:26 2 0
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It was Gas Mk4, damn, he's burnt it. Put the microwave out.
05/12/2020 11:49:25 0 5
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Forget any Boris deal.
He lies a lot.
Lets just leave.
And negotiate later, if we want to do so.
05/12/2020 13:09:35 0 1
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Well it should have been, EU offered a Canada deal to a ex-EU member already producing products to standards. Then forgot to say they want to dictate how we produce and run our country that they will police. I voted remain but would happily walk away on a matter of principle. Then we can properly assess impact of leaving and where each campaign was right/wrong.
05/12/2020 14:18:25 1 0
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Nah, his is electric, if push comes to shove he will get another (oven-ready) one from Lidl or Aldi ;-) - vorsprung durch technik
05/12/2020 15:19:39 0 0
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You do know that the "oven ready deal" was the withdrawal Agreement, don't you?
05/12/2020 15:19:48 0 0
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Yawn. The phrase, 'oven-ready', so often misquoted by Remainers, refers to the original Withdrawal Agreement, not to the post-Brexit negotiations. There have been hundreds of incorrect posts like yours.
05/12/2020 15:35:37 0 0
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Marv
This is so old and boring now, let’s move on from this quote and get serious now.
Walk away. Keep our waters and start blowing up any boats that enter without permission. No exceptions. Removed
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05/12/2020 09:21:50 1 1
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Dad's army? You should learn to play computer games instead.
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05/12/2020 09:21:55 32 24
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Will lunch today be pizza or fish and chips? Either way Johnson is simply trying desperatly to portray he has the upper hand whilst concedeing behind the scenes. An amateur gambler well out of his depth in high stake games.
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05/12/2020 09:23:35 23 17
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Very true, he has no choice and knows it. It's all about saving face now!
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05/12/2020 09:23:44 1 0
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quick , send for Kenny Rogers!!
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05/12/2020 09:30:16 1 7
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Well out of his depth? Barnier is doing all of the running. EU is desperate for a deal to help plug the massive EU financial hole and to try and prove they are not political morons as their response to Covid has shown them to be.
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DVM
05/12/2020 09:34:38 4 0
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So true, way out of his depth, but whereas Daddy would help out of his mess when he was a spoiled little brat, now Daddy can't help!!! Boris "HELP"
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MVP
05/12/2020 09:15:08 20 28
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We are in the midst of a global pandemic

No one anticipated this back in 2016

This is the time to pull together with our allies not turn our back on the world.

Let's be strong enough to accept that Brexit was a folly and scrap it so we can get back to normal as a member of the most successful trading block in the world rather than being out in the cold
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JB
05/12/2020 09:22:04 3 6
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The EUs record on supporting member countries during the pandemic has been atrocious, where have you been?
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05/12/2020 09:22:18 8 11
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No deal is a disaster for all in 2021, 2022 is a different story and the UK will be wanting a deal but will then get a worse one than the deal offered now. Make no mistake, the EU are in control. Wake up people, it's not a game and it will have a huge impact on your lives. We need a deal now!
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05/12/2020 09:24:21 3 6
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No we don't. And once we have proved that we can prosper without being tied to the EU's apron strings, the urge for a deal will evaporate. It just isn't worth anything like the price.
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05/12/2020 09:14:54 35 27
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Boris the negotiator. No wonder we are the laughing stock of the world. He's really thick, have we not spotted that yet?
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05/12/2020 09:22:32 13 21
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He maybe many things but he is certainly not thick and although it may not seem like it he can play many moves ahead.
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05/12/2020 09:16:13 6 3
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You have to pay good money, or you don't get the best people.
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05/12/2020 09:22:38 4 1
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But paying top dollar is no guarantee of “ best” , either.
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05/12/2020 09:19:35 9 3
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Any agreement needs to be passed by the EU member states, and that is not at all certain. Boris’ friends in France in particular have threatened a veto, with other EU fishing nations putting pressure on this area of disagreement too. Then there are other areas such as governance to agree upon.
Guess who has all the cards
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05/12/2020 09:22:49 8 5
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If you are implying the EU has the cards then boy are they making a big mess of it. The EU are in real trouble from all sides at the moment and are in a position of weakness both politically and financially. Read up your fact before you spout.
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05/12/2020 09:28:12 0 0
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bring nack the common market that we wont be invited to join,hahaha
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05/12/2020 10:00:27 1 0
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@the middle. I have read up and ready to spout.

In comparison on GDP/capita the UK is by far he weakest. Casting forward the EU also have a far greater internal FT market and network of trade deals with plenty more in the pipeline, while our manufacturers are faced with increased input costs on WTO.

The other countries we hope to trade with know this so expect some very difficult negotiations.
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05/12/2020 09:14:57 26 29
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No deal is just fine.
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CDB
05/12/2020 09:22:52 3 1
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It will be Herring & Chips for you then
No HYS on the Labour mayor in Liverpool.....

What a surprise.

Anyway what does Andy Burnham think about it? Seen as though the BBC is his media outlet.
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05/12/2020 09:22:53 1 3
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No media coverage of the fact the Tories were found to have broken the law over Windrush, by th EHRC -yes, the very same who found against Labour and anti-semitism - no headlines of "day of shame" for the Tories - and your point is?
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05/12/2020 09:12:58 1277 716
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As Greece said "you just cannot negotiate with the EU, they only want to dictate" says it all really.
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05/12/2020 09:23:00 194 82
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Did the whole of Greece speak with one voice? Maybe you could tell us which Greek politician you are citing.
05/12/2020 10:31:33 3 3
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it was one politician Yanis Varoufakis
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/my-message-to-theresa-may-listen-and-learn-from-our-greek-tragedy-a3536551.html
In the is open letter he predicted "how" the EU would negoiate and it makes interesting reading
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05/12/2020 09:23:05 125 72
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at least try to look like a PM. you scruffy fool.
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05/12/2020 09:43:35 91 81
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How very shallow.
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05/12/2020 10:19:41 5 15
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Funny how the left always say “play the ball not the man” when people criticise their politicians personal habits and looks
05/12/2020 11:14:38 3 4
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I believe it is known as 'The Corbyn Look' though to me more like 'Michael Foot' very fashionable in London's Socialist Dinner Party circles. ;-)
05/12/2020 11:36:24 1 9
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He would look extremely smart standing next to Tramp Corbyn!!
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05/12/2020 09:14:57 26 29
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No deal is just fine.
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05/12/2020 09:23:13 3 1
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WTO=14% inflation through Tarrifs alone!
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05/12/2020 09:23:13 10 7
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I hear a lot of Brexiters saying the fishing rights thing isn't about economics, it's about what it represents 'control of our own waters'.

At face value that sounds noble, but at what point do you recognise that your 'representation' of reality is so misaligned it's damaging the entire country for the sake of a tiny minority?
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05/12/2020 09:37:23 2 2
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Because over the past 50 years , like more UK industries it's been run down by EU legislation to benefit mainland and especially French fisheries....
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05/12/2020 09:23:15 12 8
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Cue far right tabloids pumping out racist xenophobic lies ...all over again - Sun, Mail, Torygraph, express......

Brexit is one big lie, one big shame on all of us. Karma - we need to suffer - and learn.
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MVP
05/12/2020 09:15:08 20 28
bbc
We are in the midst of a global pandemic

No one anticipated this back in 2016

This is the time to pull together with our allies not turn our back on the world.

Let's be strong enough to accept that Brexit was a folly and scrap it so we can get back to normal as a member of the most successful trading block in the world rather than being out in the cold
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05/12/2020 09:23:20 4 5
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Another flipping Remainer, clutching at straws. What makes you think that the rest of the EU would want us back?
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05/12/2020 09:23:34 7 12
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The BBC still chooses to ignore the fisheries act passed on 23/11/2020. It beggars belief. The Fisheries Act 2020 gives the UK full control of its fishing waters for the first time since 1973. The Fisheries Act will enable the UK to control who fishes in our waters through a new foreign vessel licencing regime and ends the current automatic rights for EU vessels to fish in UK waters. Come on BBC
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05/12/2020 09:34:32 0 0
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That act DOESN'T help the UK's fishing ports area's with employment just protects the EU' ...
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05/12/2020 09:35:30 2 0
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I decided an act recently that from now on I'll do in my own garden whatever I like - burn plastics, play music at maximum volume, sunbath naked. Guess what? My neighbours called the police. They obviously do not respect my sovereignty in my own garden!
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05/12/2020 10:11:06 0 0
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That won't fly. The UK will be collared in International law as those rights were sold off legally years ago. It will be bogged down in court actions for years.

It will have the same effect on UK's standing as the the WTA changes and put us into pariah populist territory.

The US will pull on us as well, scuppering any chance of a Trade deal.

Not the best idea.
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05/12/2020 09:21:55 32 24
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Will lunch today be pizza or fish and chips? Either way Johnson is simply trying desperatly to portray he has the upper hand whilst concedeing behind the scenes. An amateur gambler well out of his depth in high stake games.
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05/12/2020 09:23:35 23 17
bbc
Very true, he has no choice and knows it. It's all about saving face now!
05/12/2020 11:54:07 0 0
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Maybe you should tell Merkel, reports suggest that she isn't in on that and is not a happy Bunny that Macron stuffs German Industry for French Fishermen - tho' in reality it is for his election chances.
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05/12/2020 09:23:40 13 9
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We had the best deal as an EU member.
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05/12/2020 09:28:23 2 3
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Prove that we were better off after 40 years EU membership than if we hadn't been? You can't!
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05/12/2020 09:32:15 0 2
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Really ...think on.
Paying £billions for what ...
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05/12/2020 09:25:59 0 2
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Believe that then you'll believe anything..
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05/12/2020 09:21:55 32 24
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Will lunch today be pizza or fish and chips? Either way Johnson is simply trying desperatly to portray he has the upper hand whilst concedeing behind the scenes. An amateur gambler well out of his depth in high stake games.
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05/12/2020 09:23:44 1 0
bbc
quick , send for Kenny Rogers!!
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MVP
05/12/2020 09:15:08 20 28
bbc
We are in the midst of a global pandemic

No one anticipated this back in 2016

This is the time to pull together with our allies not turn our back on the world.

Let's be strong enough to accept that Brexit was a folly and scrap it so we can get back to normal as a member of the most successful trading block in the world rather than being out in the cold
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05/12/2020 09:23:53 2 6
bbc
Our allies are not being very kind to us. They are not holding out a hand of friendship. They appear to be saying that if you don't follow our political ideology you are at the back of the list as far as trade is concerned. It is not a nice way to treat "allies".
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05/12/2020 09:23:53 17 24
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Why are we still wasting our time with the EU ? It was and is never point to work - 40 odd years have shown that we would be much better off with nothing to do with it.
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05/12/2020 09:26:49 21 3
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Right, because the UK was prospering immensely before it joined the EU?
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05/12/2020 09:33:50 4 0
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Yes, as 'sick man of Europe' we were so much better off, let's go back to that. I thought you are supposed to be the boomers who could still remember?
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05/12/2020 09:37:02 4 0
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We can never know how well or badly off we’d have been had we not joined the EU. What is true is that immediately prior to joining we were the “sick man of Europe”, almost bankrupt going it alone.
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05/12/2020 10:00:46 2 0
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You clearly have little or no understanding of history or economics. Britain prospered within the EU, and was a massive beneficiary of membership. Almost every serious historian, political scientist, economist agrees.

Are you by any chance an anti-vaxxer? Do you perhaps believe Trump won the 2020 election? Did you vote Brexit?
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05/12/2020 10:04:36 0 0
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Ah Bless.

The 'Fog in channel Europe cut off' joke retold as a serious proposition.