Post-Brexit trade talks paused amid 'significant divergences'
04/12/2020 | news | politics | 8,163
Boris Johnson and European Commission chief Ursula Von Der Leyen will seek to break deadlock on Saturday.
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04/12/2020 15:32:50 20 23
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Are we still talking to these people?

I thought we were supposed to 'take back control'?
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04/12/2020 15:37:04 28 20
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It will be a no deal, but it will be down to Macron and the EU.. Another EU failure.
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04/12/2020 15:33:10 31 29
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I bet remainers are regretting not voting for T May's Brino deal now
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04/12/2020 15:35:57 25 17
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I bet the ERG is too!
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04/12/2020 15:36:09 4 11
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So true, they gambled all on a win (remain) and lost. They are as much to blame as the more looney element of the ERG
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04/12/2020 15:37:29 13 2
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I regret that the Tories haven't been able to deliver the 'all the upside - none of the downside' trade deal they promised.
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04/12/2020 15:38:33 9 3
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There was no trade deal. It was the original Withdrawal Agreement. Don't Brexiters know anything?
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04/12/2020 15:33:59 750 101
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France are not the EU, they are having their own negotiation regardless of the other countries, but did we expect anything else. Regardless of what Brussels decrees the French fishermen and farmers will do their own thing.
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04/12/2020 15:41:00 854 627
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It's because the idea that the EU is some sort of utopia is a nonsense, the EU is what Germany and France tell them it is. Its undemocratic and a fraud.
Poland and Hungary told their veto on funding regs are worth and will be ignored..Ireland, Netherlands and Luxembourg now being told the EU will control the taxation for these countries. Only the blind or the stupid would sell out to the EU.
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BOF
04/12/2020 15:54:35 101 58
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To brexiteers

The EU is certainly no Utopia but nor is it an evil empire. It is a club which has problems with both Hungary and Poland, both takers not givers, because of their authoritarian regimes which are attacking freedom of the press and the rule of law which takes them outside the rules of the Club. Its hard to see that the EU is acting anti democratically in pushing back.
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04/12/2020 15:57:09 60 68
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England is not the UK - but that doesn't stop them negotiating Scottish fishing away
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04/12/2020 15:59:57 84 12
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... France behaving almost like they were a sovereign coastal nation - how strange!
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BOF
04/12/2020 16:02:07 50 30
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It would help if we had a trustworthy government which the countries in the EU could be confident would honour its commitments. I did notice that our government debt has been down graded in part because institutions such as the courts are under attack from the government.
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04/12/2020 16:10:24 8 2
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Touche
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04/12/2020 16:13:28 14 5
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You mean France is a sovereign country... but surely that can't be right France is in the EU. Are you getting cognitive dissoneance yet?
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LH
04/12/2020 16:33:20 2 3
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Usually, by blockading ports, and driving at an escargot's pace along motorways!!
04/12/2020 17:38:33 3 1
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As is their right. This country s now out ion a limb, purely for a corrupt media and the big question of tax. Would mogg want his tax returns divulged to the new EU laws coming in?? Time mail readers realise their mistake. Nasty paper geared for bigots
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Cat
04/12/2020 15:34:02 16 13
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"Fishing and agriculture incur over €100 million of tariffs annually due to customs fees. Joining the European Union as a full member would eliminate these fees and lead to lower food prices in Norway. This is opposed by farmers and the fishing industry as it would create additional competition for domestic producers."

Higher food prices on the way.
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04/12/2020 15:36:06 21 20
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CANZUK is the future.. The EU is in free fall.
Sorry.

Bon voyage.
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04/12/2020 15:37:14 6 9
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Not a problem for the Tory Toffs. You think they really care if the ordinary man and woman suffers as a result?
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04/12/2020 15:34:48 88 65
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It's a good job that we've got a serial lying chancer in charge who, along with his cronies, will still have millions salted away whatever the outcome.
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04/12/2020 16:20:42 19 13
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I didn't know that Farage was in charge....
LH
04/12/2020 16:54:21 0 4
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Are you French, then??
04/12/2020 21:22:44 0 0
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weapons of mass distruction
04/12/2020 22:48:56 1 0
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Jealousy is such a sad condition to have.
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04/12/2020 15:35:35 41 30
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30th Dec 2020

18:30 EU procrastinating still

21:30 No change

22:30 Macron seeks new demands

23:00 Threats by EU

23:59 EU finally concedes and agrees a deal.

Negotiation from the EU by attrition. Hardly in the spirt of "best endeavours basis" nor "in good faith" but that is the EU for you. Process is an absolute!
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04/12/2020 15:39:21 15 3
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Surely you mean Dec 31st? Don't want to give them another 24h to dither.
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04/12/2020 15:39:24 3 1
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This is YOUR prediction is it?
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04/12/2020 16:12:19 4 3
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How can you blame the EU for this? We haven't been able to tell them what we want from day 1 except for nonsense like "Brexit means Brexit", and none of what we're talking about now bears any resemblance whatsoever to what we were being told before the referendum. That's the Leavers for you.
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04/12/2020 16:39:21 0 3
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Well lets hope it's not the UK concedes if so it will be revolution!!!
04/12/2020 16:56:14 1 1
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That is what Boris will tell you, however the reality will be completely different.
Soo
04/12/2020 21:47:11 0 0
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Did you drop your chrystal ball recently? It sure seems to be broken... may I suggest you get it replaced or repaired? Might still be under warranty.
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04/12/2020 15:35:38 39 34
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Why are we still haggling. We voted leave didn’t we?
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NH
04/12/2020 15:38:36 5 7
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I can't remember....
lets have another vote?
:D
As if!!!
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04/12/2020 15:51:24 3 2
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Leave was never defined, only promoted as a set of conflicting lies. One of the most ardent Brexiteers said there was never any question of leaving the single market.
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04/12/2020 15:53:14 3 1
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This about a trade deal and avoiding WTO tariffs and nothing to do leaving. You must be one of those fools who bought into all BoJo's nonsense.
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04/12/2020 16:08:56 0 2
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Overwhelmingly voted to leave, it was a landslide. Should have just closed the borders there and then and thrown anyone not carrying a blue British passport out of the country the following day.
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04/12/2020 15:35:53 21 20
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Johnson & Co better remember that the "52%" they so much love to talk about did not sign them a blank cheque.

Nor they demanded "back control" only to surrender it to their lot.

Deliver something resembling "we can still trade"
"we won't pull the drawbridge"
"we'll get an even better deal"
"it's foolish to leave the Single Market", etc

or there are grounds for criminal charges!
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04/12/2020 15:39:06 14 1
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Really? what grounds. We have courts of law not courts of opinion
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04/12/2020 15:33:10 31 29
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I bet remainers are regretting not voting for T May's Brino deal now
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04/12/2020 15:35:57 25 17
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I bet the ERG is too!
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Cat
04/12/2020 15:34:02 16 13
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"Fishing and agriculture incur over €100 million of tariffs annually due to customs fees. Joining the European Union as a full member would eliminate these fees and lead to lower food prices in Norway. This is opposed by farmers and the fishing industry as it would create additional competition for domestic producers."

Higher food prices on the way.
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04/12/2020 15:36:06 21 20
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CANZUK is the future.. The EU is in free fall.
Sorry.

Bon voyage.
Problem is. Canada, Australia and New Zealand prioritise trading with the EU27 ahead of trading with the UK1.
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04/12/2020 15:33:10 31 29
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I bet remainers are regretting not voting for T May's Brino deal now
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04/12/2020 15:36:09 4 11
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So true, they gambled all on a win (remain) and lost. They are as much to blame as the more looney element of the ERG
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04/12/2020 15:38:51 12 6
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LOL. It's 100% a Tory mess. Own it.
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04/12/2020 15:36:27 56 37
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Send 'em all back to Brussels. Useless shower.
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04/12/2020 15:45:58 93 57
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send johnson packing
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04/12/2020 15:36:49 82 75
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The sooner the EU gets used to the fact they no longer control the UK. The sooner meaningful talks will happen.
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CJR
04/12/2020 15:43:01 25 47
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Amazing people are down voting this.
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04/12/2020 15:45:45 13 1
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are we not in control,thats sad i thought we were
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04/12/2020 15:54:54 19 1
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Surely these are the negotiations you expected and voted for?
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JP
04/12/2020 16:05:25 12 2
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The UK had sovereignty. Otherwise, how do you explain the fact that we were able to have a referendum in the fist place?
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04/12/2020 15:36:57 274 121
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IDS talking hardline on behalf of Brexiteers from his multi-million poud mansion and gold plated pensions.
Yep we are all in it together and he'll no doubt be 'right behind you' when Brexit debt and unemployment reaches even higher crisis levels.
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04/12/2020 15:39:34 220 95
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IDS is so thick that he didn't even know whether or not he had a degree. He doesn't. ??
04/12/2020 16:38:44 4 2
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or perhaps like Nigel lawson he has a little 1000 acre place in France.
04/12/2020 16:57:36 10 3
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Just a failed Tory leader and back bencher. Messed up the pensions no end and now wallows in his house bought with the help of the tax payer.
04/12/2020 17:10:02 7 3
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All in it together and the electorate fell for it, Latest news if you are of the elite you can bypass Isolating when returning from abroad.
04/12/2020 18:42:41 3 7
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A bit like Blair, Major, May, Cameron (I could go on) gesticulating from their ivory towers all the time negotiations have been taken place.... Stabbing their own country and countryfolk in the back. Treasonous each and every one.
04/12/2020 22:27:38 1 0
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Unemployment - not a problem. Stop Europeans working here and they'll be plenty of jobs for the home grown Brits. Simples!
DSA
04/12/2020 22:44:14 1 0
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Jealous eh?
04/12/2020 23:45:40 0 0
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The thing is IDS and many other wealthy little Englanders orgin will retire in Spain or France. This is Pathetic!
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04/12/2020 15:32:50 20 23
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Are we still talking to these people?

I thought we were supposed to 'take back control'?
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04/12/2020 15:37:04 28 20
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It will be a no deal, but it will be down to Macron and the EU.. Another EU failure.
05/12/2020 00:14:35 1 0
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I love your user name. Directly derived from a French invasion.
05/12/2020 21:05:29 0 0
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EU failure. I bet they will be glad to see the back of the U.K. which will make it a success.
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04/12/2020 15:37:06 20 18
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I don't think it's reasonable to claim a "difficult point" in a negotiation where the british side consists entirely of pathologically dishonest fantasists who have drunk their own coolaid.
Removed
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Cat
04/12/2020 15:34:02 16 13
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"Fishing and agriculture incur over €100 million of tariffs annually due to customs fees. Joining the European Union as a full member would eliminate these fees and lead to lower food prices in Norway. This is opposed by farmers and the fishing industry as it would create additional competition for domestic producers."

Higher food prices on the way.
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04/12/2020 15:37:14 6 9
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Not a problem for the Tory Toffs. You think they really care if the ordinary man and woman suffers as a result?
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sid
04/12/2020 15:37:28 966 466
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France still offering us 10% of our own waters.

No thank you our terrority is ours to give not for France to take.
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CJR
04/12/2020 15:41:49 457 330
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Cannot believe any one voted your comment down, some people must have their eyes and ears shut the last 4 years
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04/12/2020 15:45:02 76 20
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british waters are not in negotiations its fishing
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04/12/2020 15:46:48 97 44
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Do you realise how much we want from French waters?? About 60%! Oh thats right you are just another of the brexit brigade with zero knowledge of anything but your own opinion.
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04/12/2020 15:51:12 71 7
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What about UK fishermen who sold their quotas years ago? Was it a give too?
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04/12/2020 15:55:24 32 41
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England controls 100% of Scottish waters!
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04/12/2020 15:56:16 10 2
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terrority?
Ouch!!!
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04/12/2020 15:57:59 29 22
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Sending your kiddie out to drown on the high seas are you for a bit of battered cod are you because the employment opportunities in the other 99.98 of oir econimy are going to be severelg curtailed. Fish is meaningless
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04/12/2020 16:08:58 14 3
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You have no understanding of the issues whatsoever. Most British fishermen sold their quotas long ago and most British fish is sold from Uk licensed super trawlers to Spain and France.
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04/12/2020 16:17:40 2 3
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You're in the negotiations are you?
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04/12/2020 16:24:32 13 2
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The French are catching the UK Fishing quotas we sold them.....
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04/12/2020 16:27:15 11 3
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A fishing quota states how much you’re allowed to catch and in what areas you are allowed to catch it from, it is a legal document/contract.
So until the British government buy back the quotas from the EU fishermen, the quotas our British fishermen legally sold to them, the EU fishermen can continue to fish in the areas stated in their quotas.
The price of a fishing quota is going up in price
04/12/2020 16:48:17 6 3
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UK fishermen sold their rights to fish in UK waters to the French and the Spanish. UK needs to reimburse. How do you equate some ones livelyhood?
04/12/2020 16:48:56 2 2
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Water moves. Do you have a plan to contain it???????????????
The position as at Jan 01 is UK has 100% of fishing in UK waters, a tad arrogant of th Frogs to offer us just a small percentage of what we already have. Doesn't look like they are pushing for a deal does it ?
04/12/2020 16:58:39 8 3
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Where on earth did you get that garbage from? Our current negotiating position is that we want to take about 60% of fish from French waters. Still keep spreading that Daily Express Brexit manure.
04/12/2020 17:22:42 7 2
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

British fishing quotas are less than 50% ours anyway - our own fishermen sold us out years ago. The fight for fish is more to prevent foreign owners of fishing quotas, not in any way European, suing the English mainly, other countries in the UK mainly kept their quotas.
04/12/2020 17:32:53 0 5
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well said. shame the government doesn't understand that
04/12/2020 17:43:31 0 1
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Infraatructure? You are an island.
04/12/2020 17:54:16 3 2
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Did you miss the fact that we sold the majority of our catch quota ?
04/12/2020 18:13:39 6 1
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We sold it to them. Our fishermen. Got that?
04/12/2020 19:12:26 0 1
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This is why. Corporate investment speculation once again. Shame on all those that think fishermen are just moaning and have not been treated appallingly by the EU. Educate yourselves people. Fish quotas are traded NOT awarded. When the quotas are not viable the "sharks move in. Pun intended.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116
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04/12/2020 15:33:10 31 29
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I bet remainers are regretting not voting for T May's Brino deal now
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04/12/2020 15:37:29 13 2
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I regret that the Tories haven't been able to deliver the 'all the upside - none of the downside' trade deal they promised.
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04/12/2020 15:37:33 21 17
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We'll all be poorer no matter what so hard Brexit / no deal - we're on the dross pile no matter what Manchild says
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04/12/2020 15:37:40 22 19
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Is Johnson preparing us for yet another Tory failure? ??
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04/12/2020 15:46:18 4 12
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He's gone up in the polls.. The EU in fighting and bitching has shown many remoaners they were wrong... Bless.
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04/12/2020 15:38:06 562 139
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This will go to the wire on the 31st plus does not help with Macron saying he will veto any deal if french fishermen don't get what they want. Also sick of hearing UK fishing is "no big deal" yet it was a big deal before the EU carved it up. So sell them a yearly license and invest the money to modernise the UK fishing fleet or do we just accept the EU "giving" us 15-20% of our own fish
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04/12/2020 15:41:49 490 322
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0.1% of the UK economy is a big deal?
But spaffing 10% of GDP on blue passports is the price of doing business?
...
delusional
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04/12/2020 15:44:19 32 8
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you dont care about fishing just brexiting your way,bring it on and goodye airbus
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04/12/2020 16:01:13 34 4
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Whereas at the moment we ger 6%, as the fishermen sold their quotas abroad.
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04/12/2020 16:19:01 39 5
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The British fishing fleet has only 8000 fishermen that get less than a quarter of the quota, most sold their quotas and ships long ago to Russian super trawlers and pseudo British companies with no British fishermen. This should have been sorted out at the beginning of this year technically but politicians know it is a "dog whistle". British fishermen have been and will be sold short.
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04/12/2020 16:24:50 0 4
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Hear hear!
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04/12/2020 16:22:26 4 2
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so will not be applied in time. Fishing is 0.1% of the UK economy, meanwhile in 6 months there is no agreement for any services, including banking to operate in the EU.
04/12/2020 16:47:00 4 4
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It wont go to the 31st as Johnson will end talks this week if he seeks to implement the IMB. The EU would then walk away as the UK will have broken international law
04/12/2020 16:49:08 3 4
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We have lost £1.35 Trillion of Banking business to the EU so far and counting. No subsidies requ

50% of our £800 million partially Fishing business is owned by 'Foriners' so theyre the ones that will benefit if we secure further rights.

So, not that great really
04/12/2020 17:06:56 3 2
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It's an industry worth about £1B. The same idiots who invented the Brexit farce have devoted 100 times that to a pointless railway line. In the grand scheme, the fishing industry isn't a big deal. A big smaller than floristry.
04/12/2020 17:48:39 1 4
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It can't go to the 31st. Parliament packs up for Xmas on the 18th. Hopefully a deal is struck on the 17th to give Parliament zero time to stick it's oar in.
04/12/2020 18:08:23 5 3
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The EU was not wholly responsible for the fishing fiasco. In the early 1990s, a lot of UK fishermen sold their fishing quotas to the French and Spanish fishermen who are now being asked to return their quotas with no financial compensation. As with all things regarding our Tory govt, it's all smoke and mirrors.
04/12/2020 18:11:09 4 1
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The UK sold off the fishing to make a quick buck
04/12/2020 18:13:19 4 2
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The EU offered to modernise the UK fishing fleet in the late 1980s with the EU paying 50% of the cost of new vessels and our govt paying the other 50%. Needless to say, our Tory govt refused and that's why we ended up with an out of date fishing fleet whereas Spain, France and Holland coughed up the 50% and had much more efficient vessels as a result.
04/12/2020 19:43:11 0 0
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It's not that it isn't a big deal but other industries are so much bigger and bring so much more tax but we're they're not even being discussed.
04/12/2020 19:46:33 2 1
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It’s pure posturing by Macron as by vetoing and having WTO rules would mean French fishermen get NO access at all. Has nobody told him no deal doesn’t mean the status quo remains
04/12/2020 20:24:07 0 0
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We don’t have a fleet and more importantly what fishing there is is privately owned are you advocating a nationalised industry?
04/12/2020 20:24:56 0 0
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No, it won’t go down to the wire on the 31st because it needs to be ratified by all national governments. That’s just simple fact.
04/12/2020 21:18:17 0 0
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Fishing 0.1% of UK Economy. What percentage the car industry. Nissan Renault have already indicated Sunderland will Close. JLR already planning to move production to Slovenia.
04/12/2020 21:39:04 0 0
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Most of our fish is exported, most of the fish we eat is imported. It's only a big deal in that it lines certain people's pockets. We should have remained in the EU.
Cod
04/12/2020 21:43:47 0 0
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Let them eat goldfish!!
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04/12/2020 15:38:22 837 296
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What a surprise Macron playing to the French at the expense of the rest of the Eu, it shows that France cares little for the Eu. No deal would mean no access to British waters at all. We need to stand by our guns and not be bullied by the self serving macron
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04/12/2020 15:43:36 238 200
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lets just ban all boats and close the tunnel as well,flag wavers are on the french side as well
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BOF
04/12/2020 15:55:51 47 22
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I know, it is absolutely disgraceful that the French government should behave as badly as the British one.
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04/12/2020 15:59:18 39 16
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he is serving France, not homself.
Wish Johnson could serve us.
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04/12/2020 16:00:18 39 23
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Let’s throw the rest of the UK to the dogs over 0.5% of GDP and a load of fish that Brits screw their faces up at because it’s not Cod in batter.
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04/12/2020 16:09:36 31 12
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They're a sovereign nation - quite in their rights to act in their own interests. We surrendered our place at the table already, it shouldn't be a surprise when things don't go our way.
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04/12/2020 16:15:33 21 25
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Yes, Emperor Macron at it again.
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04/12/2020 16:16:48 28 8
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Yes, it is almost as if france is a sovereign nation isn't it...
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04/12/2020 16:33:50 32 22
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Strange but couldnt May, Cameron and Johnson behaved this way when we were part of the the EU

Yes they could, but they lied to you that they couldn't

Brexiteer sheep
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LH
04/12/2020 16:38:18 1 2
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... and defeat the froggies on Sunday at HQ!!!! Thad'll larn 'em!!
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04/12/2020 16:38:40 10 2
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You do realise that a high percentage of the fish that is caught by the British fishing industry is sold to Europe? This is when ideology overtakes common sense
04/12/2020 16:59:22 2 1
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Who is more dependent on channel crossings UK or EU when it come down to the wire? I would for one not upset any country where I know my main exports are going their ports!
04/12/2020 18:08:15 1 1
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Here's the problem, the EU will be quite happy to ban your exports of fish, leaving brit skippers with a big hole to fill or cut quotas.

Also,British skippers who sell their quotas to EU counterparts off can continue to do so.And they'll still be able to legally fish in your waters next year.

Government can recompensates everyone or tries to illegally break their contracts.

That's ECJ territory
04/12/2020 18:21:53 2 9
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Agree. The French will always screw the UK when they get a chance. We should tell them to keep their trawlers off British waters end of. And of course it's not just the French that want to keep plundering our fishing grounds.
04/12/2020 18:54:42 0 1
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He's got to do something to distract the French public from his outrageous attempt to make it illegal to film the police (and thus impossible to expose scandalous police behaviour)
04/12/2020 19:15:01 2 2
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You would think that France would have learned from the arrogance and incompetence of past French presidents who completely overplayed their hand several decades ago thinking they could outsmart and out manoeuvre the Bundesbank and lost big and permanently as a result. This is bluster by a French politician.
04/12/2020 20:53:38 0 0
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You do realise in No Deal French can virtually impose economic sanctions on UK by simple parking few lorries and heavy machinery on main roads towards UK (other FRA truck drivers can easily do the same in Belgium, Netherland,Spain and Denmark) basically controlling the UK imports/exports. They can be ‘mad’ like that for sure. Not to mention waiving all the economic refugees goodby swamping the UK
04/12/2020 21:14:52 1 1
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‘Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves..’
Can hear the cheers from 52% of the population as the stalling of the talks was announced.
Will only get the best deal once we are out. Come January proper negotiations will start. And Macron will be begging for fishing rights.
04/12/2020 21:30:59 0 0
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If anyone is "self serving " it's rogue Johnson. Take off the blinkers
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04/12/2020 15:33:10 31 29
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I bet remainers are regretting not voting for T May's Brino deal now
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04/12/2020 15:38:33 9 3
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There was no trade deal. It was the original Withdrawal Agreement. Don't Brexiters know anything?
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04/12/2020 15:38:36 32 23
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Fishing is worth a fraction of what the total value of our trade with the EU is. Incredible that they let this in the way of what was looking like a deal.

Or are we again being held hostage to the Rightwing who dont want a deal and never have.
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04/12/2020 15:44:59 23 19
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You are missing the point completely. It's a principle. Brexit was never about getting richer (I'm certain we will be financially poorer) its about democracy, the ability to vote out those who make the rules. I would rather live in a country that is free to determine who can live in it and operate in its territory than in a peculiar federation who's "free market" is based on barriers to entry
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04/12/2020 15:45:22 3 11
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Why don't Europhiles grasp that we won't be buying of the EU, we will be buying off South Africa, Canada, Japan, Asia markets.. Etc etc etc etc.. The EU think its the only shop in the mall... The more expensive goods become from EU, then the more we will do trade with other nations.. South Africa wines, Japanese cars, New Zealand lamb, etc etc etc.
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04/12/2020 16:09:11 3 2
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If you take note of the UN report on world food shortages by 2050 if the population continues to grow, then having access to 100% of fish stock in UK will certainly be worth more to the UK economy than it is now. Also, if having access to fish is such a non starter why are the French kicking up such a fuss about it?
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04/12/2020 15:35:38 39 34
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Why are we still haggling. We voted leave didn’t we?
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NH
04/12/2020 15:38:36 5 7
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I can't remember....
lets have another vote?
:D
As if!!!
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DSA
04/12/2020 15:38:43 515 280
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The EU negotiators are just dragging it out to force the UK into a less than perfect deal for us and a perfect deal for them.

It is time to kill the talks, declare no deal and then sit back and watch how hard they try to make a real trade deal when the French start kicking up after it starts to affect their exports and fishing.
39
04/12/2020 15:40:29 193 429
bbc
The French will still be fishing where they have always fished, and there is nothing you can do about it. Get used to it.
70
04/12/2020 15:44:36 28 6
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no deal bluff has been called several times already or have you not been paying attention?
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NH
04/12/2020 15:44:37 33 35
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No deal is what will happen. because thats what BJ wants.
and it will be awful; project fear/reality
and we'll know who to blame.
the only one's to be blamed with french sounding names will be farridge and francois.
194
04/12/2020 15:56:28 13 3
bbc
Has the penny just dropped that's what negotiations are for?
371
04/12/2020 16:08:43 11 15
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Hardly perfect for them. They have has all the costs of setting up new banks and financial systems, new car factories, will have to start making Airbus wings themselves, new border oosts and customs post,and all because Cameron was afraid of losing a few MPs to Ukip.
And tacing us on anything they may, possibly, want to buy from us. Stilton will be expensive now.
753
04/12/2020 16:32:11 9 2
bbc
Problem is UK exports 80% of what we catch, and imports 70% of what we eat. That's because boring Brits only like cod, haddock, farmed salmon and prawns. Whereas those pesky continental types pay good money for our top quality fish. I suggest Brexiteers start a big fish cookery education campaign getting Brits to love gurnard, John Dory, hake etc.
04/12/2020 16:37:15 2 1
bbc
That is literally their job. It is the EUs job to look after the EU.
04/12/2020 17:30:32 1 1
bbc
Anyone who condemns eu or uk for seeking the best for their side is dumb. That's what "negotiations ' are all about!
04/12/2020 17:55:10 4 3
bbc
No. That's impossible. We were specifically told by those capaigning for Brexit during the referendum that we hold all the cards.

Oh, unless they were lying?
04/12/2020 17:58:57 2 1
bbc
No sh*t Sherlock, how did you come to that conclusion.
04/12/2020 18:20:00 2 2
bbc
27 AGAINST ONE YOUR COMMENT IS A JOKE
04/12/2020 18:53:14 3 3
bbc
All these Brexiteers treating our European allies as if they're some sort of evil enemy. Business leaders are saying that no deal will be bad for the UK. The UK is getting what it deserves thanks to misguided idiots - and elitist liars such as Rees-Mogg will laugh all the way to their hedge fun millions.
04/12/2020 19:13:37 0 0
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'The EU negotiators are just dragging it out to force the UK into a less than perfect deal for us and a perfect deal for them.'

I think that's called 'negotiating'. You seem all in favour for it when we do it (badly) but when the EU does it it's a heinous crime? Get real.
04/12/2020 20:04:30 0 0
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EU is our biggest market for fish.
04/12/2020 20:08:44 0 0
bbc
Why should Britain get a perfect deal? It decided to leave the EU. Nobody forced it. I think it is Britain who will suffer economically in the long run. Tough!
11
04/12/2020 15:36:09 4 11
bbc
So true, they gambled all on a win (remain) and lost. They are as much to blame as the more looney element of the ERG
28
04/12/2020 15:38:51 12 6
bbc
LOL. It's 100% a Tory mess. Own it.
29
04/12/2020 15:38:53 26 21
bbc
Our useless government can't tell businesses what the conditions will be post-Brexit and they will have to adapt; to tell businesses to prepare for Brexit when the government doesn't even know what the trading conditions will be yet is ludicrous.
365
04/12/2020 16:08:14 1 3
bbc
Not necessarily businesses have to keep adapting to stay in touch and this is yet another one. The successful ones have learned this over the years.
8
04/12/2020 15:35:53 21 20
bbc
Johnson & Co better remember that the "52%" they so much love to talk about did not sign them a blank cheque.

Nor they demanded "back control" only to surrender it to their lot.

Deliver something resembling "we can still trade"
"we won't pull the drawbridge"
"we'll get an even better deal"
"it's foolish to leave the Single Market", etc

or there are grounds for criminal charges!
30
04/12/2020 15:39:06 14 1
bbc
Really? what grounds. We have courts of law not courts of opinion
31
04/12/2020 15:39:10 405 214
bbc
Leave first. Negotiate second.

I've been saying this for years. The EU aren't going to negotiate when their red line is the very act of UK withdrawal.
305
04/12/2020 16:04:33 293 398
bbc
Leave first. Don't bother negotiating, you can't trust them. WTO taxes are reasonable price to pay to get our country back. Close the borders too.
309
04/12/2020 16:04:47 49 15
bbc
Completely agree. We'll see the BoJo on his hands and knees in front of the EU 27 by Easter, begging for the privilege of adopting the Euro to improve the state of our currency.

Can't wait.
319
04/12/2020 16:05:31 56 7
bbc
We've already left, but it doesn't seem facts matter to you lot anyway.
343
04/12/2020 16:06:38 16 91
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YES, YES, YES, I've always said, if we had left three years ago NO DEAL all this would have been sorted well before now. Remoaners at fault yet again. no comprehension of human nature!!
347
04/12/2020 16:07:02 30 1
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And that is exactly what we did!
555
04/12/2020 16:19:24 35 1
bbc
We have left - 11 months ago!
664
04/12/2020 16:26:25 1 14
bbc
I think most are saying this.
797
04/12/2020 16:35:26 14 63
bbc
Can you imagine what would have happened if the Remoaners had 'won'. We'd have to pay for half of Europe to recover from the pandemic. What a tax bill that would be...
04/12/2020 16:47:23 13 1
bbc
glad you are willing to gamble with millions of people prosperity.

idiotic.
04/12/2020 17:59:57 1 1
bbc
Why doesn’t the UK government ever listen to you
04/12/2020 20:25:07 1 0
bbc
Madness
04/12/2020 20:59:28 1 0
bbc
Assuming leaving with no deal will hurt the EU more than it hurts the UK you are entirely right. This approach makes perfect sense. On the other hand if the reverse turns out to be the case, we are totally, utterly screwed.
04/12/2020 21:06:46 0 0
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Thickos still think we haven’t left yet.

Same thickos think that now we’ve left immigration will go down - it’s rising.

Fortunately they’ll be destitute within the next 12 months.
04/12/2020 22:50:35 0 0
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You mean die first, bury me second. No deal is self harm
04/12/2020 22:55:16 0 0
bbc
We've left. If the EU's "red line" was us leaving, surely they would have enforced it by now?
05/12/2020 00:57:12 0 0
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Er we already left didn't we?
The EU didn't even try and stop us.
Just shook their heads in astonishment - or was that pity?
Their red lines are exactly where they told us they would be 4 years ago.
27 nations aren't likely to sacrifice their own national interests to please a UK that has shown nothing but distain for them.
And UK is steadily getting poorer and weaker.
6
04/12/2020 15:35:35 41 30
bbc
30th Dec 2020

18:30 EU procrastinating still

21:30 No change

22:30 Macron seeks new demands

23:00 Threats by EU

23:59 EU finally concedes and agrees a deal.

Negotiation from the EU by attrition. Hardly in the spirt of "best endeavours basis" nor "in good faith" but that is the EU for you. Process is an absolute!
32
04/12/2020 15:39:21 15 3
bbc
Surely you mean Dec 31st? Don't want to give them another 24h to dither.
147
04/12/2020 15:52:45 2 2
bbc
23:59 30.12.20

Brexit arises 31/12/20
04/12/2020 20:49:50 0 0
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Ha ha ha, no I think he just got the date wrong. 30 days have September April June and November.
33
04/12/2020 15:39:21 498 151
bbc
Some of the stupid comments on here are from people who probably believe Trump on his crying of fraud
98
04/12/2020 15:45:34 430 78
bbc
I blame the education system, churning out generation after generation of idiots.
560
04/12/2020 16:19:40 20 20
bbc
Trump supporters will not accept the result of a democratic vote..
Does that sound familiar ??
967
04/12/2020 16:43:45 12 26
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Probably, after all Remainers wouldn't accept the Brexit vote and tried every which way to reverse the vote.
04/12/2020 16:49:38 2 9
bbc
Watch the public hearings , you will have to rely on Youtube as the Biden Broadcasting Corporation suppress the truth . But watch the dozens of people giving their eye witness statements and I find it hard to believe any reasonable minded person whatever they think of Trump or Biden could conclude any thing but there being serious concerns on the integrity of the results
04/12/2020 18:29:15 0 1
bbc
There are stupid comments on every single HYS the BBC opens
Might have been helpful if you had given a clue as to which particular comments you were alluding to, rather than posting a glib, stupid comment
04/12/2020 18:32:26 6 2
bbc
I blame 80 years of the welfare stare with far too many thinking the world owes them a living and everything is somebody else's fault. One benefit of Brexit will be bankruptcy of the government and the end of reliance on the welfare state. Time we were more like Mexico where I lived a few years ago, there they say if you don't work then you don't eat,
04/12/2020 19:23:09 0 0
bbc
Right out of the Woke, that one!
04/12/2020 19:26:45 0 1
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Yeah, my MSc must be rubbish, we were taught what the Europeans had done to the Med and fisheries in general, then learnt what they'd done to their freshwater fisheries too. But I stand corrected by your towering intellect and look forward to what's left of our fish being driven to extinction.
04/12/2020 20:32:04 0 0
bbc
Says someone who promotes fake reality.
04/12/2020 20:58:11 0 0
bbc
Mainly from the left and those from rejoin remain. The stupudity of the remain in particular saying Trump is akin to leave. Trump does not respect the vote and hmmmm let me think.
6
04/12/2020 15:35:35 41 30
bbc
30th Dec 2020

18:30 EU procrastinating still

21:30 No change

22:30 Macron seeks new demands

23:00 Threats by EU

23:59 EU finally concedes and agrees a deal.

Negotiation from the EU by attrition. Hardly in the spirt of "best endeavours basis" nor "in good faith" but that is the EU for you. Process is an absolute!
34
04/12/2020 15:39:24 3 1
bbc
This is YOUR prediction is it?
150
04/12/2020 15:53:10 2 4
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At least I have one!
35
04/12/2020 15:39:34 26 21
bbc
If we leave without a deal with consequent shortages of food and medicines plus price rises, responsiblity for this will lie with the government, not, as it will claim with the EU and France. And Gove and Johnson must be reminded of their promises of easy deals. One benefit of the EU has been amicable relations across the EU. 'Churchill' Johnson looks bent on scuppering those, too.
51
04/12/2020 15:42:05 9 11
bbc
What a nonsense. Lol
14
04/12/2020 15:36:57 274 121
bbc
IDS talking hardline on behalf of Brexiteers from his multi-million poud mansion and gold plated pensions.
Yep we are all in it together and he'll no doubt be 'right behind you' when Brexit debt and unemployment reaches even higher crisis levels.
36
04/12/2020 15:39:34 220 95
bbc
IDS is so thick that he didn't even know whether or not he had a degree. He doesn't. ??
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JAM
04/12/2020 16:18:02 13 2
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thick and nasty with it IDS
957
04/12/2020 16:43:01 8 2
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So thick, he doesn't realise his middle name is NOT part of a double-barreled surname.
04/12/2020 16:49:37 3 5
bbc
If he doesn't have a degree, it clearly hasn't held him back.
LH
04/12/2020 16:52:12 5 5
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I know some VERY thick people WITH degrees!!
04/12/2020 17:30:46 4 10
bbc
Degrees are over-rated. I bet he still earns allot more money than you do.
04/12/2020 18:57:03 3 3
bbc
Are you sure? I heard it was a degree in stupidity......
04/12/2020 19:52:27 1 1
bbc
He has a good degree more sense than you in my book!
04/12/2020 21:09:10 1 0
bbc
He knocks you into a cocked hat smiler. No childish emojis either.
04/12/2020 22:32:59 0 0
bbc
Tosher
04/12/2020 23:00:35 1 0
bbc
I bet he knows an anti-Semite when he sees one however ;-)
37
04/12/2020 15:39:40 119 71
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Is this still going on? What a farce, the EU's biggest customer doesn't get a Canada style deal after 40 years membership of a dodgy club that transformed beyond all recognition. For those who whine its 1 against 27, remember the 1 economy is bigger than the smallest 18 put together and has a vast trade deficit with the EU. Time for WTO, time for trade and not aid, let's move on...
43
04/12/2020 15:41:16 45 55
bbc
Should have got better negotiators, or at least someone who had actually led a trade negotiation before. Frost is useless.
52
04/12/2020 15:42:22 3 8
bbc
johnsons in charge and hes crapping himself over no deal/
149
04/12/2020 15:53:06 7 6
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There is no such thing as a 'Canada style deal'. It is a deception by our government to talk of one. Have you actually looked at the CETA? It runs to 30 chapters, numerous articles, all related to aspects of EU-Canada trade. You can't use it as a template for an EU-UK deal. Our government and our EU partners are well aware of this, only Quitters who are not.
418
04/12/2020 16:10:52 1 3
bbc
We don't want a Canada deal. We want our own deal. Canada is 4,000 miles away and a tiny fraction of the trade value. We should insist on a deal on our terms only.
04/12/2020 16:55:03 5 3
bbc
You left, get over it. it is one against one, one that is ten times larger against the UK.
04/12/2020 19:42:19 3 2
bbc
Oven ready deal more like cold turkey post xmas
04/12/2020 20:40:56 0 0
bbc
Trade - with who? Under WTO you’re having a laugh.
04/12/2020 20:51:53 1 0
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BoJo & co. said a few years back that a Canada style deal wasn’t suitable and so never actually formally asked for a Canada style deal...

As for WTO, the UK will need the agreement of many more nations than the EU27 even to keep its existing EU28 agreed tarrifs; no deal means problems exporting to the USA - the UKs 2nd largest export market, after 31-Dec-2020...
04/12/2020 21:45:19 1 0
bbc
agree.
38
04/12/2020 15:37:59 5 13
bbc
Great that we have surrendered control to the French on our economic future. ‘Giving away control’ is a more accurate slogan.
27
DSA
04/12/2020 15:38:43 515 280
bbc
The EU negotiators are just dragging it out to force the UK into a less than perfect deal for us and a perfect deal for them.

It is time to kill the talks, declare no deal and then sit back and watch how hard they try to make a real trade deal when the French start kicking up after it starts to affect their exports and fishing.
39
04/12/2020 15:40:29 193 429
bbc
The French will still be fishing where they have always fished, and there is nothing you can do about it. Get used to it.
166
04/12/2020 15:54:27 52 15
bbc
Oh yes we can. Send in the Fisheries Protection Squadron. It worked many years ago.
439
04/12/2020 16:11:58 4 15
bbc
Get used to it?
That's leaver language.
Plagiarism, isn't it?
??????
463
04/12/2020 16:13:35 21 3
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Fisheries protection is becoming easier with camera drones
497
04/12/2020 16:15:41 10 2
bbc
How do you work that out or do you accept the premise I am entitled to come and cra* on your lawn.
699
04/12/2020 16:28:55 1 5
bbc
The problem is with this is that disharmony will result and the world doesn't want more friction at the moment. Are we going to help if Russia invades what was East Germany? I expect so but resentfully.
812
04/12/2020 16:36:07 1 5
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You and me both no there is a great deal we can do about it so stop being so dramatic!
04/12/2020 16:48:24 8 7
bbc
Yes there is. We arrest and confiscate their boats, and there will be nothing they can do about it. Get used to it.
04/12/2020 16:54:24 12 7
bbc
A few Navy warships says otherwise, they will roll over and raise the white flag soon enough as they did in the war.
04/12/2020 16:56:45 2 3
bbc
Yes there is, but it will take a few Royal Navy vessels.
04/12/2020 17:27:39 3 4
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Oh yes there is, we can start to impound their fishing vessels, one by one.
I thought you were always up in arms when international law was broken? But when your European confreres do it apparently it's acceptable. Sheer hypocrisy. Bore off.
04/12/2020 17:44:33 5 4
bbc
Tell the Royal Navy to target practice ... you tend to forget the past far too quickly. Learn from history - the French could never ever be relied on.
T
04/12/2020 18:07:02 3 4
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The Royal Navy might disagree.
04/12/2020 19:05:59 1 1
bbc
Larger spend on our Military, more fishing patrol vessels, we've learnt from the Cod Wars with Iceland
04/12/2020 20:00:54 1 0
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We can sink them. And I would too.
04/12/2020 20:07:34 1 0
bbc
Hard to fish when your fishing gear has been sheared off by fishery protection vessels and you and your French trawler have been arrested and impounded in a UK port! See "Icelandic Cod Wars 1970s North Atlantic." And Iceland WON and have set the precedent. Amazing what a few facts can do to illuminate ignorance.
40
04/12/2020 15:40:35 12 5
bbc
The Tories can't accept the ECJ and the EU can't accept the UK supreme court. Surely a deal is to be done by jumping up to the UN in these circumstances?
55
04/12/2020 15:42:36 40 16
bbc
As the Tories have promised to politicise the judiciary, and shown a distinct lack of respect for agreements they've already signed, I wouldn't trust the UK Government in the slightest
914
04/12/2020 16:40:46 0 1
bbc
There is the International Court which is established for these kind of disputes for the rest of the world.
41
04/12/2020 15:40:35 487 148
bbc
The easiest deal in history, apparently.
64
04/12/2020 15:43:41 296 440
bbc
It would be if it wasn't for Macron ! Blame him.
584
04/12/2020 16:21:06 8 52
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As usual, taken completely out of context.

The quote is

"It should be the easiest deal in history as we are already aligned on all EU regs
That is, as long as it doesn't get political"

Fact is did get political, the EU don't want a good deal for the nations & people of Europe & the UK, because that deal exposes the fact, there's no need for an 'EU'

The 'EU' has always been the problem
726
04/12/2020 16:30:34 41 6
bbc
Oven ready I was told with Unicorns.
774
04/12/2020 16:33:50 4 39
bbc
Should have left as soon as the victorious leave vote came through. No ifs or buts...just leave. Whats the EU gonna do...sue us? In what court? Could have had this sorted years ago had Bojo not spaffed away all the great work he had done exposing the money we would save to dedicate to the NHS (and how timely that would have been)
LH
04/12/2020 16:47:09 11 10
bbc
Yes, we had an "oven-ready deal", unfortunately, the EU didn't like it!!!
04/12/2020 17:59:16 3 1
bbc
A fantastic, oven-ready deal.
04/12/2020 18:09:10 2 1
bbc
unfortunately I remember the get in vote, a minimum of 10% clear water between yes/no.
A politician whom I now paraphrase, "you cant get back into a shell after being prepared for an omelette.
04/12/2020 19:54:16 0 0
bbc
Well it was until the EU withdrew their offer of Canada + which is all the UK is asking for. But then that didn't seem like a punishment for voting to leave
04/12/2020 21:50:58 0 0
bbc
It would of been if our own MPs did not repeatedly undermine our negotiators for the last 4 years!
04/12/2020 22:04:42 0 0
bbc
Only if you can't read and rely on rejoiners claiming it. The Guardian article stated it 'should be the easiest deal in history' then went on to say 'only EU politics will stop it' - which is exactly what has just happened. So that makes you look a bit dim and ill-informed, particularly as it was in the Guardian, then I suppose it is a difficult read, though I managed it ;-)
04/12/2020 23:18:06 1 0
bbc
Italy will only leave the EU, when they stop receiving handouts, or are made to pay them back.
3
04/12/2020 15:33:59 750 101
bbc
France are not the EU, they are having their own negotiation regardless of the other countries, but did we expect anything else. Regardless of what Brussels decrees the French fishermen and farmers will do their own thing.
42
04/12/2020 15:41:00 854 627
bbc
It's because the idea that the EU is some sort of utopia is a nonsense, the EU is what Germany and France tell them it is. Its undemocratic and a fraud.
Poland and Hungary told their veto on funding regs are worth and will be ignored..Ireland, Netherlands and Luxembourg now being told the EU will control the taxation for these countries. Only the blind or the stupid would sell out to the EU.
115
04/12/2020 15:49:19 108 82
bbc
None of that is true.
167
04/12/2020 15:54:30 113 101
bbc
Ridiculous, its a regulatory superpower and little England is not. Brexit is a fraud, peddled by frauds
370
04/12/2020 16:08:32 56 36
bbc
//EU is what Germany and France tell them it is.// it used to be what we told them it is as well, but we gave up our seat as one of the 3 biggest players when we voted Brexit.

I will never understand how surrender got sold as patriotism.
416
04/12/2020 16:10:43 0 1
bbc
Replace 'or' for 'and'
430
04/12/2020 16:11:28 20 8
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FYI, Poland & Hungary are breaking the rules they signed up for due to populist govts. Poland busy removing women's abortion rights/demonising LGBT, slowly becoming fascist theocracy. Fact that a vote was held & vetoes used is lost on brexiteers because it means the EU is democratic, vetoes work & so Farage lied. You lot just won't admit it.
474
04/12/2020 16:14:07 12 4
bbc
Do you have a clue about how the quotas are allocated by the UK government to supertrawlers owned by Russia and companies registered in the UK with no British crew. Its part of the free capital global market.
489
04/12/2020 16:15:13 17 12
bbc
Only the blind and stupid would think that little Britain will ever cope alone.
639
04/12/2020 16:24:40 7 3
bbc
Good, only bad if you like right wing dictators or being undercut with unfair tax shafting. Bet you love Amazon not paying tax, do not want a loophole close.
673
04/12/2020 16:27:15 2 1
bbc
Garbage. Stop your lying.
686
04/12/2020 16:27:56 2 1
bbc
Love your Anglo Saxon (french moniker by the way)
709
04/12/2020 16:29:44 3 7
bbc
Remainer Stockholm syndrome I believe is the medical term
748
04/12/2020 16:31:50 7 2
bbc
Or you being fed the party line by Murdoch and co, fact is the EU is more democratic the the UK at the moment, where a PM could write any law he wishes with no checks or balances
778
04/12/2020 16:34:03 6 6
bbc
I agree with you. The EU is not good for European people. I hate to say it but in the Long term it will only benefit Germany. France in the long term will only become a very junior partner. I do believe in a closer Europe and the European Community of nations as it was worked well and provided security, the EU does exactly the opposite.
838
04/12/2020 16:37:23 7 1
bbc
The EU wasn’t perfect (and it never will be) but by comparison to what is going to happen next year, being in would have been far more preferential
04/12/2020 17:10:59 2 2
bbc
What utter tosh!
04/12/2020 17:14:12 1 1
bbc
We have a prime minister who was elected by a small number of party members. A PM who tore up the manifesto and wrote a new one. We have a house of lords which is unelected and a major source of abuse including bribery for places they receive for life. We have 28 bishops the from the church of England as lords. We have an election ward base system under which the popular vote is undermined.
04/12/2020 17:15:02 1 1
bbc
Poland veto is connected to abuse of power by current government. Police is using tear gass against women demonstrating on the streets. Good example...
04/12/2020 17:15:25 1 2
bbc
Only the blind or the stupid would sell out to the EU.

As a brexiteer you have just identified your specialist subjects.
04/12/2020 17:31:32 0 2
bbc
well said !
04/12/2020 17:41:57 2 1
bbc
Where is your leader? Eastbourne looking for migrants? Watch a bit of history. Nationalism causes war
04/12/2020 17:48:36 1 1
bbc
You mean like Thatcher who went in and embraced it and got some good deals for the UK, or like Farage who drank wine and couldnt care less
04/12/2020 17:50:29 2 1
bbc
You do know 1066 was when most of the anglo saxons got replaced by the French and now call themselves English these days right?
04/12/2020 18:09:54 2 1
bbc
More fake news from the Brexit right. Poland and Hungary are borderline fascist states that do not respect human rights, reproductive rights and LGBT people. Therefore , unless they move from the 17th to the 21st century soon , they have no place in the EU.
The taxes being discussed in Ireland etc, are profits taxes on digital companies nothing more.
Is this the best you can do ?
04/12/2020 18:12:55 1 2
bbc
I think you will find you’ve been sold a pup. I think you mean only the stupid would willingly surrender their veto. You are welcome
04/12/2020 18:14:13 0 1
bbc
Crock of ....
04/12/2020 18:16:40 0 1
bbc
Than why is UK negotiating, go home and don't waste people time
37
04/12/2020 15:39:40 119 71
bbc
Is this still going on? What a farce, the EU's biggest customer doesn't get a Canada style deal after 40 years membership of a dodgy club that transformed beyond all recognition. For those who whine its 1 against 27, remember the 1 economy is bigger than the smallest 18 put together and has a vast trade deficit with the EU. Time for WTO, time for trade and not aid, let's move on...
43
04/12/2020 15:41:16 45 55
bbc
Should have got better negotiators, or at least someone who had actually led a trade negotiation before. Frost is useless.
159
04/12/2020 15:53:59 3 3
bbc
I agree and when you see what a cock up this bunch have made of the Coronavirus episode its endemic.
Removed
04/12/2020 22:28:09 0 0
bbc
Frost never wanted a deal, and yet after his balls up he will be on the Birthdays honours list next year. This country is a joke.
04/12/2020 23:24:05 0 0
bbc
Why? He hasn't agreed a deal in goods, where they make their money, and the City, where we make our money, can carry on trading in the EU deal or no deal. Sounds as though he's done wonders. ;-)
05/12/2020 00:18:35 0 0
bbc
Frost is brilliant, just has to learn to say "enough".
05/12/2020 00:19:32 0 0
bbc
Frosty the no man... Barnier has always been the grown-up in the negotiating room...
CDB
05/12/2020 04:38:29 0 0
bbc
Has Frost been told it is No Win No Fee
44
04/12/2020 15:41:17 11 7
bbc
The Song Rule britainia springs to mind
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04/12/2020 15:48:21 1 2
bbc
song do you want a vaccine for xmas
45
04/12/2020 15:41:28 323 202
bbc
Ah the terminally stupid are still trying to deliver the impossible.

Wake up, you can't have your promised brexit. As for all the WTO bluster, that puts us on the same trade status as Somalia, Sudan and Western Sahara. Didn't see that on the side of a bus, did you?
Can’t remember Germany selling 100’s of thousands of high end cars to Somalia either.
You’re not even clever enough to be terminally stupid.
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04/12/2020 15:48:29 12 15
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They have Brexit, and now remainers will be getting all excited at the prospect of saying

TOLD YOU SOOOOOOO
946
04/12/2020 16:42:29 8 11
bbc
You lot and that bus????
04/12/2020 16:51:24 26 3
bbc
Actually it will be worse for us than those countries as developing countries have tariff free arrangements with the EU.
04/12/2020 17:15:45 5 4
bbc
And the US, China, India, until recently Japan, Australia ...............
04/12/2020 17:32:17 10 33
bbc
No deal is better than a bad deal. PS - the money on the side of the bus has been built into future NHS bugets - all possible due to BREXIT.
04/12/2020 20:08:58 1 1
bbc
That bus has been decommissioned.
04/12/2020 20:16:35 1 4
bbc
UK has the 5 or 6th biggest economy in the world ! Hardly the same as Somalia. You need to get some facts into your argument. This is Brexit! We left on 31 Jan 20 or did you not know that? This deal is just a part of the red tape the EU will use to try to trap us into staying commercially so we continue to fund their excesses and waste. If we were so small they wouldn't bother would they?
04/12/2020 21:22:29 0 0
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Red Bus Crashes. ??
DC
04/12/2020 21:28:27 1 0
bbc
I thought we were getting Australia terms lol.....
04/12/2020 22:35:55 0 0
bbc
Wasn't that in another HYS some months ago?.
04/12/2020 22:36:38 0 0
bbc
What’s wrong with those countries? I fear you may be slightly offensive to them with your comments
04/12/2020 23:06:41 0 0
bbc
and the US, though with the Boeing/Airbus trade war, that puts us in a far better position with the US than the EU is in ;-)
04/12/2020 23:10:08 0 0
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We will control immigration and who comes in to the country.
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05/12/2020 00:12:39 0 0
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Yes, wouldn't I like to read that on the front page of the Daily Express?! If only...
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04/12/2020 15:41:34 6 10
bbc
french are the stick in all this,johnsons bluffs have been chucked overboard and if he was a true brexiteer he would ban all eu fishing vessels from uk waters,no doubt the brexiteers would love to wave their little flags but the french are waving theirs as well,no deal or any deal win never satisfy the brexit brigade as they dont want europes friendship they want to see it destroyed,we are first.
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04/12/2020 15:59:31 1 3
bbc
Yet another Rabid remoaner rambling on about the past.... get over it you LOST. Bet you never even voted??
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04/12/2020 15:41:38 8 26
bbc
Time to walk away, and stop talking to a un elected power, FISH/FARMERS, COVID HAS PROVED With retailers having huge reduced in over heads and rate relief. DID THEY DROP THERE PRICES TO COMPENSATE... TIME TO COLLAPSE THE MARKET...
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04/12/2020 15:43:29 11 4
bbc
Says the Brexiter shouting st his screen...lol There go the toys
68
04/12/2020 15:44:15 4 1
bbc
Unelected? You chose not to vote in European elections then?
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sid
04/12/2020 15:37:28 966 466
bbc
France still offering us 10% of our own waters.

No thank you our terrority is ours to give not for France to take.
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04/12/2020 15:41:49 457 330
bbc
Cannot believe any one voted your comment down, some people must have their eyes and ears shut the last 4 years
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04/12/2020 15:49:58 58 35
bbc
Stupid statement. Stupid poster. Automatic downvote.??
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04/12/2020 16:03:27 43 16
bbc
Because it’s a stupid comment, we aren’t giving up any territory, just fish stock which we had sold most of in the past to Eu countries.
328
04/12/2020 16:06:10 9 16
bbc
Most commentators on HYS in relation to Brexit are EU nationals,, they're not British.
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04/12/2020 16:10:36 10 3
bbc
Dont let evidence and analysis get in the way of headlines and prejudice. Trump won the US election, the moon is made of cheese ..
682
04/12/2020 16:20:13 7 1
bbc
or its just possible that all those people understand the concept of someone buying something and then becoming the legal owner of that thing, you know property rights.
958
04/12/2020 16:43:02 8 3
bbc
Can’t believe that you show such a lack of understanding on what has happened to fishing rights over the years, how small a part of GDP this represents and that most of the fish caught is sold to Europe. Our fishing industry, such as it is, will be destroyed by the tariffs that will be put on the fish.
04/12/2020 17:56:02 3 1
bbc
Rule Brittania, Brittania rule sweet fanny Adams
04/12/2020 18:04:42 3 1
bbc
does this not boil down to the percentage of trade, fish is small fry.
04/12/2020 18:15:59 4 1
bbc
Do you mean the original post? He’s a bit dim, hadn’t you realised? Or are you one of the blunt tools in the box that think the Tories actually give a monkeys about Brexit except to trouser loads of cash - Afriye, Redwood etc.
04/12/2020 19:00:17 2 1
bbc
Because it's simplistic and juvenile.

No deal = no ability for British fishermen to sell to their biggest market. The fish caught in British waters are herring and shellfish that Brits don't eat -- but they do in Denmark, etc.

Without a trade deal, Britain will have all its fish back alright, and they'll be rotting on the pier.
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04/12/2020 15:38:06 562 139
bbc
This will go to the wire on the 31st plus does not help with Macron saying he will veto any deal if french fishermen don't get what they want. Also sick of hearing UK fishing is "no big deal" yet it was a big deal before the EU carved it up. So sell them a yearly license and invest the money to modernise the UK fishing fleet or do we just accept the EU "giving" us 15-20% of our own fish
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04/12/2020 15:41:49 490 322
bbc
0.1% of the UK economy is a big deal?
But spaffing 10% of GDP on blue passports is the price of doing business?
...
delusional
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04/12/2020 15:58:08 39 39
bbc
It's only 0.1% because that's the way the EU made it. I wonder how France would feel if the UK demanded 80% of their grapes and let them keep the rest!
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04/12/2020 16:04:17 10 31
bbc
Fishing is only a big deal to the MSM because it is easy to belittle, and to French fisherman because it is a big industry to them. The main issues are the level playing field and governance, both issues which would violate our sovereignty if we gave in to the EU demands.
700
04/12/2020 16:29:03 7 4
bbc
Ever heard of principles? France has, and sticks by them, even if it does mean having to capitulate when all is lost.
708
04/12/2020 16:29:35 6 11
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How many people live in the Falklands? 0.1% of the British population? Probably less than that. Should we just hand them over to the Argentinians?
809
04/12/2020 16:23:33 6 6
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THe delusions of the poorly educated, who think economies work in the smae way as their window cleaning business.
833
04/12/2020 16:37:09 4 4
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Where does the blue passport myth originate? They were black.
852
04/12/2020 16:38:08 5 5
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Remoan moan moan
04/12/2020 16:55:27 1 2
bbc
It might be 0.1% but it's what Farage and Johnson promised. The latter being elected with a highly majority to deliver. And that's what Johnson will deliver at any cost. And by any cost, they mean any cost. Car industry, financial, manufacturing, aeronautic, space industry, your job ....any cost. End of.
10% of GDP?

Remainers just can't stop lying.
04/12/2020 17:41:56 1 1
bbc
I think that some of the desperate motormouths in the UK should more time to care about actual, real people and fishing communities rather than statistics demonstrating the narrow interests of very rich financial entities in London.
04/12/2020 17:56:18 3 3
bbc
yes - lets save the fishing and mess up farming and manufacturing instead

If we have to make a mess of Brexit lets make it as big a mess as possible
04/12/2020 19:22:14 1 2
bbc
The EU 'member states' (puke) have closed our fishing business. Imagine if they had to pay for it all from us and how much more people we could employ in the industry?
04/12/2020 19:31:04 2 2
bbc
It was a lot more than that before the EU existed. Take a stroll around Aberdeenshire or Ayrshire to see the now dead fish markets and processing plants and empty ports, I'm sure Wales, England and NI have plenty in the same state - it may be 0.1 now, it was massive before, and over a billion pounds now, Sainsbury's and Tesco's paid back less than that and everyone cheered!
04/12/2020 19:55:00 2 1
bbc
Our fishing industry will have the opportunity to grow well above 0.1%.
I hope it goes to WTO.
04/12/2020 20:03:01 2 1
bbc
Are you seriously suggesting blue passports are costing 10% of GDP? Your grip on reality is as real as the French's! Utter twaddle.
04/12/2020 20:11:38 0 1
bbc
GDP is a fake measure. Let in 6M migrants and your GDP goes up 10%. Or did you really really not know that's how they came up with the Brexit doom forecasts? They assumed fewer migrants and hence lower GDP. Then divided the difference by the number of households ignoring the extra migrants! Result, gullible remainers believe anything...
04/12/2020 20:12:44 0 0
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“0.1% of the UK economy is a big deal?”

According to the EU the U.K. fishing waters that must be 0.01% of EU GDP are too important to allow the U.K. to have them back under U.K. control.
04/12/2020 21:15:03 0 0
bbc
It’s 0.1% of the economy because the EU have the other 90% of it. Now we are leaving it seems reasonable to want it back.
04/12/2020 21:25:01 0 0
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0.01%, let's be correct on all this.
04/12/2020 21:56:53 0 0
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The Europeans love fish and they will undoubtedly miss that taken from our waters. They'll buy it from because they need it and will have to
So, the gangsters in the shadows of these talks are revealing themselves....
French. Quelle surprise.
Next on show will be the Walloons.
Top of the bill though will be the Poles and Hungarians.
Gangsters, every one of them.
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04/12/2020 15:43:18 7 2
bbc
Stupid statement.
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04/12/2020 15:56:46 0 1
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Not necessary The Poles and the Hungarians have knocked back the EU's Trillion Euro budget because Brussels wants to be able to dictate to them with regarding open borders and they want their borders. yet another crack in the EU.
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04/12/2020 15:39:34 26 21
bbc
If we leave without a deal with consequent shortages of food and medicines plus price rises, responsiblity for this will lie with the government, not, as it will claim with the EU and France. And Gove and Johnson must be reminded of their promises of easy deals. One benefit of the EU has been amicable relations across the EU. 'Churchill' Johnson looks bent on scuppering those, too.
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04/12/2020 15:42:05 9 11
bbc
What a nonsense. Lol
04/12/2020 17:16:03 0 1
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it is because responsibility lies with people like you. People too foolish to understand basic concepts.
04/12/2020 20:53:20 0 0
bbc
Oh dear, you're not doing very well are you.
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04/12/2020 15:39:40 119 71
bbc
Is this still going on? What a farce, the EU's biggest customer doesn't get a Canada style deal after 40 years membership of a dodgy club that transformed beyond all recognition. For those who whine its 1 against 27, remember the 1 economy is bigger than the smallest 18 put together and has a vast trade deficit with the EU. Time for WTO, time for trade and not aid, let's move on...
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04/12/2020 15:42:22 3 8
bbc
johnsons in charge and hes crapping himself over no deal/
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04/12/2020 15:42:24 5 3
bbc
Sid ,15:37, you will actually find that none of the waters belong to you or me.
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04/12/2020 15:42:32 9 15
bbc
Now that it's clear we're heading towards chaos, surely it's time to see sense and stop the madness..
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04/12/2020 15:45:31 0 2
bbc
But chaos is so beautiful. Much better than boring old know-where-you-are. Who wants that. We want chaos!
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04/12/2020 15:40:35 12 5
bbc
The Tories can't accept the ECJ and the EU can't accept the UK supreme court. Surely a deal is to be done by jumping up to the UN in these circumstances?
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04/12/2020 15:42:36 40 16
bbc
As the Tories have promised to politicise the judiciary, and shown a distinct lack of respect for agreements they've already signed, I wouldn't trust the UK Government in the slightest
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04/12/2020 15:42:58 260 96
bbc
If IDS doesn't want the ECJ as the final arbiter of post-Brexit legal disputes, who does he want? Obviously can't be the UK Supreme Court - so who?
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04/12/2020 15:44:00 152 44
bbc
Donald Trump. He's looking for a job from Jan.
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04/12/2020 15:46:18 24 6
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It's a fair point but using the same logic it obviously can't be the ECJ either.
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sid
04/12/2020 15:46:22 10 22
bbc
Why not.

You seem to be happy to accept the court over ours. ECJ isn't indepent.
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BOF
04/12/2020 15:56:49 10 7
bbc
The British Prime Minister is the obvious arbiter to ensure we have our cake and eat it.
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04/12/2020 16:05:52 4 4
bbc
Why not? Obviously can't be the ECJ either.
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04/12/2020 16:07:28 8 17
bbc
The ECJ aren't involved in any other trade agreement with Japan, Canada, etc etc..its a no deal. CANZUK is the future, we all know it. Leave the EU to its self.
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04/12/2020 16:13:05 17 9
bbc
As in other Countries trade deals, jurisdiction is split between them or tariffs come into play. The problem is that Boris is right on this one (who would have thought), despite rhetoric the EU still do not accept our independence. 'Yes your waters but not your fish' comment is ridiculous.
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04/12/2020 16:13:40 14 7
bbc
Panel of 5 justices - 2 ECJ, 2 Supreme Court , 1 from an independent country, say Canada even Quebec if you wish. Simple compromise solution - probably beyond red meat "sovereignity principles" of the far right loonies misleading us.
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04/12/2020 16:25:36 3 1
bbc
International Court of law.
679
04/12/2020 16:27:45 5 1
bbc
all the UK hating members of the WTO, remember we have shafted so so many countries in the wider world, they are itching to get their own back.
849
04/12/2020 16:38:03 2 1
bbc
He don't care as long as its a fellow mason
987
04/12/2020 16:45:10 0 1
bbc
Who arbitrates for the Norwegians or Canadians out of interest?
04/12/2020 16:46:53 1 5
bbc
Why not a UK Court? The EU has repeatedly broken International law, and even UN obligations. Hence they cannot be trusted to administer the law. Give them a deal but only if we administer the rules.
04/12/2020 16:47:55 5 1
bbc
How about the WTO?

That is after al what it is there for; to arbitrate in disputes!
04/12/2020 16:50:30 0 1
bbc
The 1922 Committee?
04/12/2020 16:51:31 2 1
bbc
WTO dispute system - after all, it is run by .... oh, hang on.
04/12/2020 16:51:54 3 1
bbc
Just another Tory back bencher who has his own opinion but no solution. Its been like that since Thatcher left No10. Since then Tory leaders have quaiked in their boots at the mention of Brussels and their backbenchers
04/12/2020 16:52:30 2 1
bbc
Cheshire Cat - Maybe Wikipedia can help you understand why the UK can't accept the ECJ (as the EU wouldn't accept the UK Supreme):

The European Court of Justice is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union, it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its equal application across all EU member states.
04/12/2020 16:55:32 2 1
bbc
If the EU believes the ECJ as a potential solution, they should be equally happy to accept the UK Supreme Court: the logic is identical.

However, if they don’t think the UK Supreme Court is a good idea, then they should also understand why it in unacceptable be offering the ECJ.
KD
04/12/2020 17:04:12 0 1
bbc
How about the ICJ?
04/12/2020 17:05:20 4 1
bbc
An independent arbitration service like the WTO or an individual/panel of that sort of standing. You might have a panel made up of, say, 2 UK & 2 EU judges that do the first pass - if a majority go with one side no need for a higher level.

It's not that different to how any commercial joint venture would set out how to settle a dispute
04/12/2020 17:08:29 1 1
bbc
Doesn’t really matter so long as they’re an independent arbitrator.
04/12/2020 17:19:51 1 1
bbc
BBC, why must you always seek the view of a has-been politician, a failure in his big job, and an even bigger failure in that he has reduced a fair proportion of the population to poverty as a result of his botched Universal Credit?
SJ
04/12/2020 17:24:10 2 1
bbc
IDS told us from the outset that "it's not about having a plan", so you can hardly criticise him for not having a plan. He was completely open about his uselessness.
Simple. An independent arbitration panel. Happens all the time in international law.
04/12/2020 18:02:44 0 1
bbc
WTO
T
04/12/2020 18:05:11 0 1
bbc
WTO?
04/12/2020 19:04:59 0 1
bbc
Who needs a final arbiter when one side will ignore it anyway? and I don't mean the UK.
04/12/2020 19:49:04 0 0
bbc
The arbiter needs to be either a totally independent party (ie neither ECJ or UK Supreme Court) or it has to be both of them with a 50-50 split so neither side can complain of bias.
04/12/2020 19:55:27 1 0
bbc
The international court in the hague
04/12/2020 21:04:49 0 0
bbc
Somebody independent Einstein.
04/12/2020 22:13:36 0 0
bbc
Why can't it be the UK Supreme Court, they seem to favour the EU, or won't the EU like that? ;-)
04/12/2020 22:19:12 0 0
bbc
the supreme court of the united states could be a good candidate, considering that boris wants to become the 52nd (or 53rd ?) state of the US
04/12/2020 23:33:46 0 0
bbc
... as the ECJ serves the same purpose in the EU as the Supreme Court does in the UK, then neither is appropriate
05/12/2020 00:10:54 0 0
bbc
Both have equal merit - how about China or Russia?
05/12/2020 01:09:48 0 0
bbc
Why should the EU have their own court decide on disputes, hardly fair and equitable is it??
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04/12/2020 15:36:49 82 75
bbc
The sooner the EU gets used to the fact they no longer control the UK. The sooner meaningful talks will happen.
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04/12/2020 15:43:01 25 47
bbc
Amazing people are down voting this.
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04/12/2020 16:06:23 9 1
bbc
Staggering. Everyone should vote Conservative too. Let's make the UK a one party state.
04/12/2020 16:50:46 1 1
bbc
amazing that you think this is a negotiation between equals.
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NH
04/12/2020 15:37:06 20 18
bbc
I don't think it's reasonable to claim a "difficult point" in a negotiation where the british side consists entirely of pathologically dishonest fantasists who have drunk their own coolaid.
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So, the gangsters in the shadows of these talks are revealing themselves....
French. Quelle surprise.
Next on show will be the Walloons.
Top of the bill though will be the Poles and Hungarians.
Gangsters, every one of them.
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04/12/2020 15:43:18 7 2
bbc
Stupid statement.
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04/12/2020 15:43:20 13 17
bbc
Oh dear I won't be able to buy French wine or cheese. How sad. Never mind. Looking forward to the German car makers having to move to the UK to sell their cars. The simple way to deal with Macron is to ban all French fishing with no deal - and wait. He won't last 5 mins. He's bluffing and we all know it.
??????????????????????????... you really believe that don’t you ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????moron?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Removed
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04/12/2020 15:46:53 2 1
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Your a buffoon and we all know it
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04/12/2020 15:47:37 2 1
bbc
no hes serious and we need that vaccine to come across without blockades
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04/12/2020 15:50:44 0 1
bbc
Rubbish, absolute rubbish ...... you’re thicker than mince.
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04/12/2020 15:41:38 8 26
bbc
Time to walk away, and stop talking to a un elected power, FISH/FARMERS, COVID HAS PROVED With retailers having huge reduced in over heads and rate relief. DID THEY DROP THERE PRICES TO COMPENSATE... TIME TO COLLAPSE THE MARKET...
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04/12/2020 15:43:29 11 4
bbc
Says the Brexiter shouting st his screen...lol There go the toys
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04/12/2020 15:57:58 0 1
bbc
Very childish reply. Gow up!
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04/12/2020 15:38:22 837 296
bbc
What a surprise Macron playing to the French at the expense of the rest of the Eu, it shows that France cares little for the Eu. No deal would mean no access to British waters at all. We need to stand by our guns and not be bullied by the self serving macron
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04/12/2020 15:43:36 238 200
bbc
lets just ban all boats and close the tunnel as well,flag wavers are on the french side as well
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04/12/2020 15:59:18 35 27
bbc
Agreed. Close the borders to 'foreigners'...we don't need their type here. Tourists can see Big Ben online. Send the food lorries back too. Our farmers produce world class livestock, fruit and veg (we can have zero unemployment by forcing lazy people to pick fruit) and if we're short our US friends can send us boats full of chlorinated chicken. Yummy
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04/12/2020 15:59:51 16 5
bbc
If you want to diet, fine.
992
04/12/2020 16:45:22 5 13
bbc
never trust a remoaner
04/12/2020 18:10:03 2 1
bbc
And stop all skiers entering France, ban all second home owners...
04/12/2020 19:14:01 0 0
bbc
Why not hide the fish in the tunnel, as Gavin said we are so smart - the EU will never think of looking there
04/12/2020 19:55:56 0 1
bbc
Let's build a world beating wall in the English channel!
rob
04/12/2020 20:01:05 1 3
bbc
Brexit yes give me my uk back ????
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04/12/2020 15:43:41 19 7
bbc
Things are looking good if you are a fan of a no deal Brexit, there is even a very good chance Boris will override the Withdrawal agreement as well, as the Government intend on tabling the Internal Market Bill on Monday again, ignoring the amendments from Lords. It is sure to raise Brussels blood pressure as our Government has also included many of those clauses in the Financial bill to
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04/12/2020 15:46:36 28 8
bbc
If the Good Friday Agreement is breached in any way by Bozo, say goodbye to any trade deal with the Yanks or any help from them.
04/12/2020 16:53:39 0 1
bbc
Are you trying to say that's all good then?
04/12/2020 19:45:55 0 0
bbc
you support the house of lords, over 800 on 300 pounds a day, for what.
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04/12/2020 15:40:35 487 148
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The easiest deal in history, apparently.
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04/12/2020 15:43:41 296 440
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It would be if it wasn't for Macron ! Blame him.
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04/12/2020 15:55:57 69 4
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Did those that promised us an easy deal not know about France then?
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04/12/2020 16:03:35 54 4
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But you knew that anyway because you knew exactly what you voted for
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JAM
04/12/2020 16:17:17 33 4
bbc
blame Johnson more like - he was messing it up from the start, the vote campaign that is
747
04/12/2020 16:31:49 50 4
bbc
yeah blame everybody but the UK, the glory Tories got us into this bloody mess and now they cant get us out of it, they want to blame everybody else bar themselves.
04/12/2020 16:30:21 41 5
bbc
I blame the British, playing the card of leaving before they knew what leaving meant.
04/12/2020 16:58:28 12 2
bbc
Does Macron sign agreements, then says he didn't realize what they meant & then declared he on behalf of his country is going to break international law. Pathetic.
04/12/2020 17:57:30 0 1
bbc
C’mon Macron, great song!
04/12/2020 18:22:56 12 2
bbc
No - there is only one cohort to blame for all this and that is the 17m+ UK citizens who were duped into voting this stupidity in. Let's not try and rewrite history. The blame lands firmly with them.
04/12/2020 18:33:16 12 1
bbc
personally - I blame the brexiteers.
04/12/2020 18:49:17 6 1
bbc
No, that was project fear. The No campaign promised that France and the EU would cave in. Blame them.
04/12/2020 19:02:15 0 1
bbc
What do you expect from an ex Rothschild banker.
04/12/2020 19:55:51 1 0
bbc
It was never going to be easy! The leave campaign fooled millions
04/12/2020 20:02:38 1 0
bbc
Oven ready apparently, £300m better off. Oops.
04/12/2020 20:05:45 3 0
bbc
STOP blaming others for the country's incompetence.. Blame BoJo and his government! Brexit has been dragging for years and nothing was done in terms of negotiations. Why should the EU allow Britain to cherry-pick?
MrW
04/12/2020 20:06:46 2 0
bbc
Always someone else fault. Sigh...
04/12/2020 22:02:00 0 0
bbc
France has as many thick nationalists as the UK does, and Macron was just making noises to keep them on side. If a deal can be done, Macron will find a way to claim that what has been agreed is a victory for France, just as Johnson will claim it as a victory for the UK.
04/12/2020 22:06:43 0 0
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Fox did add, after that phrase, only EU politics could stop it being the easiest trade deal in history, but I think rejoiners have problems reading more than 200 chars, though I confess lots of people have problems reading the Guardian, which is where that line appeared, in an article by Liam Fox.
04/12/2020 22:18:55 0 0
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You voted for the "oven ready deal". Own it!"
04/12/2020 23:57:06 0 0
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Funny I thought it was the Conservatives that called a Brexit referendum. Who knew it was President Macron? This is self inflicted idiocy! Britain only has itself to blame.
05/12/2020 00:01:42 0 0
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No, blame the Conservatives bowing to a 17.5 million minority FPTP vote that brought about this mess! Note that Fishing wasn't an issue, until Brexit brought it centre stage! We had hard-won working agreements! Now we are needlessly starting all over again! Where's the sense?
05/12/2020 02:02:32 0 0
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Yet if it was one of our lot you would be praising him for his taking a stand...........
05/12/2020 08:00:35 0 0
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You mean France is a sovereign country, with a voice, a vote and a veto, after all?
Just like the UK?
Gosh!
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04/12/2020 15:42:58 260 96
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If IDS doesn't want the ECJ as the final arbiter of post-Brexit legal disputes, who does he want? Obviously can't be the UK Supreme Court - so who?
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Donald Trump. He's looking for a job from Jan.
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04/12/2020 15:57:13 16 3
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he has joined Farage in obscurity.
04/12/2020 16:52:23 0 4
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Doubtful, the truth is coming out , so many eye witnesses and whistle-blowers coming forward. Look at the public hearings ( you will need to watch on YouTube as the Biden Broadcasting Corporation are supressing the inconvenient truth)
04/12/2020 16:53:17 1 1
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Boris will give him a job hoping he can negotiate a trade deal with Biden. Boris and his shysters will be all over themselves if Trump worked at No10.
Is that you in Westphalia?
04/12/2020 18:19:27 0 1
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UK BORIS CAN EMPLOY HIM AS A SPECIAL ADVISER
04/12/2020 19:09:22 0 1
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Only a temporary one though, as he has a long stay in a special hotel coming up if NY get their way.
04/12/2020 22:29:08 0 0
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Mayor of Liverpool might be up for grabs .....
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04/12/2020 15:44:00 3 8
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Tricky point probably cause bungling has marched the dafties to the top of the hill and cannot save face marching them back down.
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04/12/2020 15:44:14 10 4
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This week was Vaccine Week , next week is Brexit Deal Week.

Then it’s We’re all off to the Caribbean Week .
04/12/2020 17:11:15 5 4
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well our economy will be about the same size as those of Caribbean islands in a few years time, may as well get some practise in. Odd the UK celebrating a a German/US vaccine created by Turkish immigrants to those countries as some sort of victory to for the UK. What does a defeat look like?
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04/12/2020 15:41:38 8 26
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Time to walk away, and stop talking to a un elected power, FISH/FARMERS, COVID HAS PROVED With retailers having huge reduced in over heads and rate relief. DID THEY DROP THERE PRICES TO COMPENSATE... TIME TO COLLAPSE THE MARKET...
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04/12/2020 15:44:15 4 1
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Unelected? You chose not to vote in European elections then?
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04/12/2020 15:38:06 562 139
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This will go to the wire on the 31st plus does not help with Macron saying he will veto any deal if french fishermen don't get what they want. Also sick of hearing UK fishing is "no big deal" yet it was a big deal before the EU carved it up. So sell them a yearly license and invest the money to modernise the UK fishing fleet or do we just accept the EU "giving" us 15-20% of our own fish
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04/12/2020 15:44:19 32 8
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you dont care about fishing just brexiting your way,bring it on and goodye airbus
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04/12/2020 16:24:03 0 3
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and the banks.
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04/12/2020 15:38:43 515 280
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The EU negotiators are just dragging it out to force the UK into a less than perfect deal for us and a perfect deal for them.

It is time to kill the talks, declare no deal and then sit back and watch how hard they try to make a real trade deal when the French start kicking up after it starts to affect their exports and fishing.
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04/12/2020 15:44:36 28 6
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no deal bluff has been called several times already or have you not been paying attention?
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04/12/2020 15:38:43 515 280
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The EU negotiators are just dragging it out to force the UK into a less than perfect deal for us and a perfect deal for them.

It is time to kill the talks, declare no deal and then sit back and watch how hard they try to make a real trade deal when the French start kicking up after it starts to affect their exports and fishing.
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04/12/2020 15:44:37 33 35
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No deal is what will happen. because thats what BJ wants.
and it will be awful; project fear/reality
and we'll know who to blame.
the only one's to be blamed with french sounding names will be farridge and francois.
Francois is the spawn of an Italian slut Removed
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04/12/2020 15:44:54 10 12
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Jim Jones-son and his cult will go down as....

The Govt that broke up the U.K.

And wrecked the economy
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04/12/2020 15:38:36 32 23
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Fishing is worth a fraction of what the total value of our trade with the EU is. Incredible that they let this in the way of what was looking like a deal.

Or are we again being held hostage to the Rightwing who dont want a deal and never have.
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04/12/2020 15:44:59 23 19
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You are missing the point completely. It's a principle. Brexit was never about getting richer (I'm certain we will be financially poorer) its about democracy, the ability to vote out those who make the rules. I would rather live in a country that is free to determine who can live in it and operate in its territory than in a peculiar federation who's "free market" is based on barriers to entry
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04/12/2020 15:51:49 2 2
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Also, fishing is worth a fraction of what it was before we joined the EU and gave most of it away.
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04/12/2020 15:58:19 1 2
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I don't agree with you but that's an honest and consistent point of view.
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04/12/2020 16:28:41 2 1
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We do vote on those who set the rules. Its called a General election. We used to vote on the EU Parliament too, work it out...even that useless liar Farage got voted into it, but chose to pocket the salary & never do his job. Plus, most immigration is from outside the EU, can do anything we like about that.
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04/12/2020 16:30:15 1 2
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But that's not going to happen either. Where have you been each time Johnson has tried to circumvent Parliament and lie to the nation? We're no better than 'Johnny Foreigner' and often far worse.
04/12/2020 17:17:57 1 1
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Obviuously you werent around in 2016, when BBrexit was definitelky about getting richer. Now it seems to be about getting much much poorer, because for some reason, unlike France who are showing they are a sovereign nation, somehow we weren't.
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04/12/2020 15:37:28 966 466
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France still offering us 10% of our own waters.

No thank you our terrority is ours to give not for France to take.
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04/12/2020 15:45:02 76 20
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british waters are not in negotiations its fishing
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04/12/2020 15:58:25 25 32
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your wrong, Territorial waters reach 12 miles out, the french have demanded the control everything up to 6 miles from our coast,
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04/12/2020 15:45:21 248 77
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I am sure Poland and Hungary are hoping for a deal very soon. They can veto this as well in their row with the EU

Just because a deal is done doesn't mean it will get past all members.

Accept no deal for 1st Jan then continue to negotiate but without the 1000 million pounds a month subs

Will give all sides a breather
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04/12/2020 16:07:05 105 31
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Excellent idea
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04/12/2020 16:08:55 3 3
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Why does the BBC report "NON News" every day? As much use as headline saying:
"No aliens have landed today. Again."
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04/12/2020 16:09:48 6 2
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"Accept no deal for 1st Jan then continue to negotiate but without the 1000 million pounds a month subs"

The cost to the UK is more than double the value of those subs, regardless of a deal, not so for the EU :S
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04/12/2020 16:22:30 1 0
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Should've done that much sooner
Take the 'timebound' element out of the way, far easier to get a better and fairer deal for all

Anything rushed is almost certain to have serious flaws
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04/12/2020 16:36:24 4 2
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Poland and Hungary will toe the line soon, as they will not be getting any EU subsidies otherwise.
04/12/2020 16:50:03 2 1
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A no deal means Johnson will have implemented the IMB this week so there will be no more talks as the UK will have broken international law.
04/12/2020 18:01:17 3 2
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Get real. Our economy would be on its knees. Within months Johnson would be in Brussels begging for a deal, any deal.....
05/12/2020 00:17:11 0 0
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thing is that Poland and Hungary are similar to the Brexit supporters in the UK they are anti-immigrant.
05/12/2020 00:44:30 0 0
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If a deal is done before 31 Dec then it doesn't need to be ratified by the individual nations (and some regional assemblies). If a deal is done after the end of the transition period then the deal will have to be ratified by individual states. Look up what Wallonia did to the Canada (CETA) deal. And what is that imaginary figure of a £billion meant to represent?
05/12/2020 02:06:56 0 0
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It depends on the criteria. Some things only require a majority vote, only countries with a veto can cause problems in this area and we used to be one of them, and some require a unanimous vote. In the latter any one member state can cause problems.
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04/12/2020 15:45:22 4 4
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Surely Boris can’t be insane and incompetent?
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04/12/2020 15:48:26 0 0
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To be fair, I don't think he's insane...
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04/12/2020 15:48:42 0 0
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Trump is. ??
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04/12/2020 15:58:35 0 0
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No , thats the Idjit in the USA.
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04/12/2020 15:38:36 32 23
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Fishing is worth a fraction of what the total value of our trade with the EU is. Incredible that they let this in the way of what was looking like a deal.

Or are we again being held hostage to the Rightwing who dont want a deal and never have.
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04/12/2020 15:45:22 3 11
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Why don't Europhiles grasp that we won't be buying of the EU, we will be buying off South Africa, Canada, Japan, Asia markets.. Etc etc etc etc.. The EU think its the only shop in the mall... The more expensive goods become from EU, then the more we will do trade with other nations.. South Africa wines, Japanese cars, New Zealand lamb, etc etc etc.
04/12/2020 17:19:14 0 1
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well we will only be buying off Japan if the EU doesn't buy it first.
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04/12/2020 15:42:32 9 15
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Now that it's clear we're heading towards chaos, surely it's time to see sense and stop the madness..
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04/12/2020 15:45:31 0 2
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But chaos is so beautiful. Much better than boring old know-where-you-are. Who wants that. We want chaos!
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04/12/2020 15:45:38 11 14
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Boris wants special status for UK.

He wants free access to EU markets at zero cost.

He also wants to take back control - of what nobody is really clear.

EU27 are retaining control of their ownmarkets and their own member benefits.

Boris over promised.
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04/12/2020 15:47:08 0 0
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We shall see.
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04/12/2020 15:47:43 0 0
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Control over our own waters for a start not just the 10% the French are offering.
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04/12/2020 15:36:49 82 75
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The sooner the EU gets used to the fact they no longer control the UK. The sooner meaningful talks will happen.
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04/12/2020 15:45:45 13 1
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are we not in control,thats sad i thought we were
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04/12/2020 15:45:46 173 37
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The EU need to bring their members to heel the French are undermining Barnier all credit to the Irish minister who has remonstrated with Marcon !!
Sovereignty. It's a b*tch. ?? Removed
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04/12/2020 15:52:02 4 2
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macron vetos no deal then wto disaster.
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04/12/2020 16:22:43 30 1
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If only the EU was a dictatorship and not a collection of sovereign nations working together.
04/12/2020 17:12:42 13 1
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However the countries within the EU can excercise Sovereignty!
04/12/2020 17:33:47 5 3
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I don't think the Irish like the sound of being swamped by french fishermen in their waters.
04/12/2020 18:06:06 8 9
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Because RoI's economy is utterly dependent on the UK. 70% of it exports either go to or transit through the UK. In fact economically RoI, is in the wrong Union
04/12/2020 19:59:22 3 2
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and who brings BJ to heel
04/12/2020 21:37:17 1 3
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Is that the Irish Minister who said the UK have completely undermined trust in these negotiations by legislating to break international law?
04/12/2020 22:25:02 1 0
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the eu need to bring their members to heel.
04/12/2020 22:27:00 0 0
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do you think what the french think about us
Ben
04/12/2020 23:13:10 0 0
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Now that we've left the EU let's tell them how to run their affairs.
04/12/2020 23:13:44 1 1
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The Irish are worried, they stand to lose more than any other EU state.
05/12/2020 08:05:07 0 0
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So you are saying France is a sovereign nation, with a voice, a vote and a veto, yet still in the EU?
How can that be?
Gosh!
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04/12/2020 15:45:50 368 141
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Time to call “Meddling Macron’s” bluff.

There should be no concessions to the EU and in particular France on fishing. You just know that Macron will veto any deal that does not humiliate the UK. So, if the UK holds fast to it’s stated promise of “taking back control” of our waters, the onus of compromise is thrown firmly back at the EU and Macron.

Either way Macron and French fishermen lose.
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French fishermen will continue fishing. Why wouldn't they?
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04/12/2020 15:51:37 2 3
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why do they lose with a tunnel and a border and ferries to maintain
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Beware the Little ( would be ) Emperor
04/12/2020 16:39:27 1 2
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No, they really don't.
04/12/2020 18:02:30 1 1
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Yeah, let’s do it, we hate these foreign johnnies. What! ... they call us foreign johnnies too?
04/12/2020 18:22:08 3 0
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When you leave the EU you take back control of your water, I think you don't understand, what they are negotiating is fishing rights
04/12/2020 20:10:29 3 1
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What will we do in the UK with all this Fish, sell it in the EU? Fishing boats would disappear as it won’t be viable for the amount of fish that we eat in the UK
04/12/2020 20:28:57 2 1
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Why France in particular? Your xenophobia is showing.
04/12/2020 21:06:39 0 0
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Norway seem to control and regulate their waters very well thank you. Britain will adopt the same policy
04/12/2020 22:02:42 2 0
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Fishing is irrelevant. Just blown up to keep Daily Fail readers happy. Left to us we will once again devestate our waters through greed https://www.dw.com/en/uk-fishing-industry-or-brexits-red-herrings/a-51418061
04/12/2020 23:36:58 0 0
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Macron is just trying to boost his flagging support in France.
05/12/2020 00:04:43 1 0
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No, the only losers in this ludicrous, childish game, will be the UK!
05/12/2020 00:18:04 0 0
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Our poor fishermen are going to be totally knackered trying to catch enough fish to generate enough GDP to replace all that lost because we have no trade deal. Of course, I'm not sure where they'll be able to sell it...
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04/12/2020 15:36:27 56 37
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Send 'em all back to Brussels. Useless shower.
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send johnson packing
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04/12/2020 16:10:19 2 3
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As much I would love that, it too late because the Tories will be in power for another 4 years. Worst PM.
You handle tells me all I need to know, you are an idiot Removed
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