'We're not underestimating France'
04/12/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 535
England head coach Eddie Jones says his side will not underestimate the inexperienced French team they face in Sunday's Autumn Nations Cup final.
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04/12/2020 16:26:09 5 3
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Good man Eddie Jones, love his sense of humour :-)
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04/12/2020 16:26:10 8 9
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It will be a bit embarrassing if France B beat England!
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04/12/2020 16:30:44 4 4
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Why will you be embarrassed? I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.
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04/12/2020 16:34:36 2 2
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You hope?
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04/12/2020 18:57:14 2 3
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Embarrassing for England but good for the game.
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04/12/2020 16:29:30 4 7
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I might watch the highlights. Certainly won't be going to Amazon to watch it live.
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04/12/2020 16:37:03 18 3
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Who cares what you're doing.
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04/12/2020 16:30:20 4 5
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You'd hope so and EJ has to make sure his players understand this

So many times before England management say 1 thing and when the players are on the pitch it's clear they believe the opposite

You can really talk the talk EJ - your players had better walk the walk
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04/12/2020 16:30:25 5 4
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I likey to do da cha cha... I like to do de cha cha. England have the pressure because they are absolutely expected to beat France comfortably.
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04/12/2020 16:26:10 8 9
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It will be a bit embarrassing if France B beat England!
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04/12/2020 16:30:44 4 4
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Why will you be embarrassed? I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.
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04/12/2020 16:30:59 2 22
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This is a completely pointless match. That combined with the 'borefest' that modern rugby has become, means that it will not be worth watching. Come on World Rugby, please try to look at how the game could be speeded up,.
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04/12/2020 18:42:02 0 1
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Aotearoa games are good, just an excuse up here that the laws need changing, I blame our coach’s for choosing boring tactics...

Laws are the same globally
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04/12/2020 19:05:44 0 1
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Just a question. How long have you been watching rugby?
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04/12/2020 16:31:16 2 7
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"We're busily trying to check the history of the individual players and we'll be well-prepared for Sunday," he added.

So, we don't know who they are then?
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05/12/2020 08:43:08 1 0
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No. That's what that sentence means. The coaching team then study each player so that by match day they have a good idea as to the style of play expected. I'm not sure why you needed clarification of that.
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04/12/2020 16:32:06 34 3
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This will be a fun game to watch, and I really wouldn’t under estimate the French side. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain whereas this is a must win game for England. I am really pleased Jones is taking it seriously and named a strong side and awesome bench.
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04/12/2020 16:38:11 22 2
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No one is underestimating them. Certainly not EJ.
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04/12/2020 19:25:22 3 1
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Problem with this french team is that players have little automatisms despite the individual talents.
I’m hope for a good surprise but not counting my cockerels.
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05/12/2020 01:14:35 2 0
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There’s some serious quality in the French team. Dulin, Raka, Jalibert and Woki are all major threats.
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05/12/2020 09:48:05 1 1
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England always want to win, I understand that, but why a 'must win'? Its very unlikely they will lose but even if they do, its a mickey mouse tournament that will be forgotten by Tuesday so why doesn't England just give a chance to a few more extended members of the squad? Surely England don't need the ego boost of a crushing victory over a 2/3 string French side?
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 16:35:16 14 3
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You obviously cared enough to post about match and if England win no doubt you'll be blaming ref/TMO/Saracens/B team etc etc ad nauseum.
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04/12/2020 16:36:48 7 1
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Clearly you do otherwise you wouldn’t be reading then commenting utter rubbish
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04/12/2020 16:40:22 6 4
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Mc

I assume you must be Welsh!
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04/12/2020 16:43:00 5 1
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Who really cares what happens you obviously do
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04/12/2020 17:01:27 6 1
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I know it’s not the right time to tell you this, but you need to get out more.
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04/12/2020 17:01:42 4 4
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You do, otherwise you wouldn't post. As regards Sarries cheats - as much as I don't agree with what they did, they were only creating a level playing field with the other Heineken clubs. Again, you know that.
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04/12/2020 17:02:37 3 2
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No. 2 in the world.
Your team at No 10 hahahaha
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04/12/2020 17:08:43 1 1
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Well you bothered to post so you must at least.
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04/12/2020 16:33:22 22 8
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Really looking forward to weekend of rugby. Less so to the usual suspects who will be on here spouting typical bile about Eddie Jones and England.
Strange how it's France who won't/can't field all their first choice players but oddly the ABEs always blame England.
You'd almost think they had an agenda.
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05/12/2020 07:37:57 0 7
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France fielding their Seconds sums up what a complete nonsense this whole, improvised, Autumn series has been. It is nice to watch some rugby in these miserable times, and hopefully the unions have made themselves some money. But, these really should NOT be Full Cap internationals.
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04/12/2020 16:33:32 41 2
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Le Crunchless .....?
Just pleased that we're able to watch some international rugby this weekend.
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04/12/2020 19:27:23 19 12
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Agree with you that it’s a pleasure to watch rugby and forget about the state of the world for a couple of hours.
I hope there is entertainment and a few french tries.
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PJB
04/12/2020 19:47:24 3 3
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Only if you subscribe to Amazon Prime.
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04/12/2020 16:26:10 8 9
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It will be a bit embarrassing if France B beat England!
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04/12/2020 16:34:36 2 2
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You hope?
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 16:35:16 14 3
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You obviously cared enough to post about match and if England win no doubt you'll be blaming ref/TMO/Saracens/B team etc etc ad nauseum.
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 16:36:48 7 1
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Clearly you do otherwise you wouldn’t be reading then commenting utter rubbish
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04/12/2020 16:29:30 4 7
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I might watch the highlights. Certainly won't be going to Amazon to watch it live.
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04/12/2020 16:37:03 18 3
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Who cares what you're doing.
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04/12/2020 16:37:20 96 7
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Poor old Eng. On a hiding to nothing. Win and our noisy neighbours will say so what and criticise our style. Lose and the roof will fall in. Good luck lads.
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04/12/2020 16:41:04 58 15
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You nailed it there. Whatever happens England can't "win".
That's the way it's always been unfortunately due to the ABEs.
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04/12/2020 18:29:46 4 14
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Where as the rest of the home Nations wouldn’t equally be on a hiding to nothing playing a B / C French side?
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04/12/2020 19:41:44 2 11
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Paranoid much? It’s a game of rugby that you aren’t even playing in. Pathetic.
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04/12/2020 20:19:40 1 14
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Joke game
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04/12/2020 20:55:31 16 6
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Scotland/Wales/Ireland fans will always bitterly criticise us, that doesn't bother me one bit.

What bothers me is when weak-willed England fans join in with them. Its not PC to be patriotic if you're English apparently.
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04/12/2020 21:09:03 10 2
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England should beware of this side. 1-15 better than Wales.
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04/12/2020 22:24:41 1 0
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Stop being so wet. Do you really think England will lose this game?
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04/12/2020 22:30:37 4 7
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As one of your noisy neighbours. Come on France we are all want you to win against Ingerlund
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05/12/2020 08:12:48 10 0
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Just laugh it off mate. All this ABE business is either light-hearted rivalry...in which case, forget it. Or it's a sign of a deep resentment that's eating away at the sufferer...in which case, you can laugh at their entirely self- inflicted pain.
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05/12/2020 11:56:15 0 0
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boo hoo
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04/12/2020 16:32:06 34 3
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This will be a fun game to watch, and I really wouldn’t under estimate the French side. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain whereas this is a must win game for England. I am really pleased Jones is taking it seriously and named a strong side and awesome bench.
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04/12/2020 16:38:11 22 2
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No one is underestimating them. Certainly not EJ.
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04/12/2020 20:14:47 3 7
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EJ not underestimating. how many time under EJ as england failed at last stage. 6 nations final games ie ireland for grand slam or i think once wales for grand slam.most recent after battering new zealand not turning up against south africa
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 16:40:22 6 4
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Mc

I assume you must be Welsh!
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04/12/2020 17:03:42 0 3
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Idiocy transcends nationality.
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05/12/2020 10:40:56 0 0
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lance white

I assume you must be Donald Trump.
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04/12/2020 16:37:20 96 7
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Poor old Eng. On a hiding to nothing. Win and our noisy neighbours will say so what and criticise our style. Lose and the roof will fall in. Good luck lads.
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04/12/2020 16:41:04 58 15
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You nailed it there. Whatever happens England can't "win".
That's the way it's always been unfortunately due to the ABEs.
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04/12/2020 17:47:12 14 4
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Top sides are always there to be shot at. As 1 in Europe and 2 in the World it goes with the turf
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05/12/2020 09:30:49 0 0
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I'm disappointed as this should have been a contest between the top 2 NH sides.
Devalues the competition and international rugby as a whole.
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04/12/2020 16:41:37 2 3
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Shame we couldn't get a rematch between the current 2 best sides in the NH, still will be a good test for England though.
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04/12/2020 16:42:59 5 1
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I think we will see a contrast of styles. England’s latest efficient, territory-based game with strong central defence. France young guns, with nothing to lose, chucking the ball about with Gallic flair. I hope England get drawn into a slightly more open affair.
Try to score more than the opposition
Rather than. How many can we restrict them to
Still a good excuse to drink the black stuff.
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05/12/2020 04:49:06 0 0
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l’m sure Eddie will instruct England to beat France by playing French style - running from anywhere, offloading, etc. - i.e. beat the opposition at what they specialize in. After all they thumped Georgia’s pack, stifled Ireland’s defensive, spoiling game, and frustrated Wales’ chaotic, opportunity game.
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 16:43:00 5 1
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Who really cares what happens you obviously do
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04/12/2020 16:43:46 8 4
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Jones has missed the chance to try a few things out. How about giving Dan Robson a start? How about giving Farrell a break? A few other combinations need to be tried ....
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04/12/2020 16:49:23 10 1
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yep would have left out youngs billy and daley as well
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04/12/2020 17:40:58 1 2
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Yep. Agree with you. By the way, when was the last time Farrell made an actual break?
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04/12/2020 16:43:48 6 6
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Will the England team learn anything new from the likes of Woolfe and Price, two RL coaches? Look at last week's RL Grand Final for possibly the most exciting game of either code for a long, long time!
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04/12/2020 17:06:25 3 3
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Was that the game that was 2-0 at halftime, 8-4 final score & had to wait until last minute for a second try ?
I’m hoping for better with Eng vs France to be honest.
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04/12/2020 16:44:21 7 12
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Once again England are set up to play a tedious territorial kicking game. I know they are not obliged to entertain but it’s predictable and monotonous. Boooooooooooring. ??
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04/12/2020 17:05:02 3 3
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Farrell exactly like Rob Andrew kick kick and more kicks!
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04/12/2020 16:45:21 10 4
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Great to see consistency in selection. I'm sure young players like Barbeary are getting good experience from training with the squad .

Watson is a great addition to the starting line up from last week, arguably the best NH winger in the last couple of years and a Lions certainty
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04/12/2020 18:23:21 0 1
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Agree completely, but where would you start
him for the Lions ?
Some Welsh posters over the past few weeks on here have seemed doubt Liam Williams ability to recapture top form.
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04/12/2020 16:46:25 5 1
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Should be a decent game. France have nothing to lose and should throw the ball around a lot. Expecting a high scoring game.
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04/12/2020 16:46:56 11 3
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no fear from the french kids should be a good game to watch
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04/12/2020 18:41:26 1 13
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Not with Jones's England involved.
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04/12/2020 16:48:25 42 1
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Matt Dawson's HYS had over 1200 posters on it, most of them asking for a straight feed and the scrum sorted back to the contest it used to be. FINALLY the voices of the disenchanted have been heard! Make sure that by the time grassroots rugby resumes fully that effective changes to the laws have been made. Most injuries come from the tackle NOT the scrum. SAVE OUR SPORT!
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04/12/2020 19:32:06 12 6
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Most life threatening spinal injuries do come from the scrum. It is not the quantity, but the severity which demands a safety first approach.
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Why does England get a hys and the rest of the nations don't Removed
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04/12/2020 16:50:39 4 2
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haha george north had one yesterday
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04/12/2020 16:52:41 0 2
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I was thinking exactly the same thing about France!
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04/12/2020 16:56:26 5 1
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Wake up

Wales/Ireland match had one 2 days ago

Scotland was yesterday

France’s HYS is on french broadcasting as they’re not part of Britain.
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04/12/2020 16:57:10 3 1
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Errrm Scotland and wales have both had them...
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04/12/2020 16:57:31 4 1
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It has been HYS City all week for the other Home Nations as you well know. Enough of your contrived grievances. Be nice.
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04/12/2020 16:59:19 4 3
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Maybe because they are in the final and the others aren't?
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04/12/2020 16:43:46 8 4
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Jones has missed the chance to try a few things out. How about giving Dan Robson a start? How about giving Farrell a break? A few other combinations need to be tried ....
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04/12/2020 16:49:23 10 1
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yep would have left out youngs billy and daley as well
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04/12/2020 16:50:39 4 2
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haha george north had one yesterday
Hello, may I have my comments displayed please

Thank you
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04/12/2020 16:52:40 5 1
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Eng have an interesting challenge.

Fra have nothing to lose , expectations are fairly low & french rugby’s on a bit of a high.

For Eng , can their defense hold up if expected chaos arrives & can they break down a defense that hasn’t had much playing/prep time together (although if you had to pick one coach to get a defense ready it would be SE).

It’ll (rightly) reflect poorly if Eng can’t.
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04/12/2020 16:52:41 0 2
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I was thinking exactly the same thing about France!
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04/12/2020 16:55:37 1 1
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Line up as expected. Is Lawrence injured or is Marchant preferred to him on the bench? Danty the French centre is a real beast and Lawrence might have been a better option to stop him.
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04/12/2020 17:04:50 1 1
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Lawrence is injured is my understanding
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05/12/2020 08:27:15 0 0
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Lawrence is injured.
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04/12/2020 16:56:26 5 1
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Wake up

Wales/Ireland match had one 2 days ago

Scotland was yesterday

France’s HYS is on french broadcasting as they’re not part of Britain.
Why does England get a hys and the rest of the nations don't Removed
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04/12/2020 16:57:10 3 1
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Errrm Scotland and wales have both had them...
Why does England get a hys and the rest of the nations don't Removed
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04/12/2020 16:57:31 4 1
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It has been HYS City all week for the other Home Nations as you well know. Enough of your contrived grievances. Be nice.
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04/12/2020 16:58:13 3 4
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Should be an exciting game and a proper challenge at last.
Hoping for tries on both sides and a close win by England.
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04/12/2020 18:43:38 1 2
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"Exciting game"? With Jones's England involved? Pull the other one!
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04/12/2020 16:59:19 4 3
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Maybe because they are in the final and the others aren't?
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 17:01:27 6 1
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I know it’s not the right time to tell you this, but you need to get out more.
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 17:01:42 4 4
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You do, otherwise you wouldn't post. As regards Sarries cheats - as much as I don't agree with what they did, they were only creating a level playing field with the other Heineken clubs. Again, you know that.
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04/12/2020 17:02:30 12 5
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England have in interesting conundrum in many respects, from an embarrassment of riches in positions such as back row, through a real dearth of top talent options at scrum half post Youngs.

Jones is a canny operator, most of the time, bust just cannot fathom why he hasn’t taken this as a ‘free hit’, put out a second string team and worked up his depth even further!
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04/12/2020 17:07:52 14 8
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Jones seems to have a "win at all costs" mentality. The Autumn Nations Cup is not an important tournament and a great opportunity to try other players and tactics has been missed.
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I think it's a real positive that we have a consistent team selection.

Looking at England football how many times have they arrived at a tournament without knowing what their strongest side is?

With only about 10 caps available each year we're already running out of time for the next world cup for new players to become experienced players.
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04/12/2020 18:10:26 7 2
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England have been blooding new talent. As Dylan Hartley mentions they have done it by stealth, the best way. Before you realise it they have 10 caps and are no longer newbies... he’s doing a great job
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 17:02:37 3 2
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No. 2 in the world.
Your team at No 10 hahahaha
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04/12/2020 16:40:22 6 4
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Mc

I assume you must be Welsh!
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04/12/2020 17:03:42 0 3
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Idiocy transcends nationality.
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04/12/2020 16:55:37 1 1
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Line up as expected. Is Lawrence injured or is Marchant preferred to him on the bench? Danty the French centre is a real beast and Lawrence might have been a better option to stop him.
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04/12/2020 17:04:50 1 1
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Lawrence is injured is my understanding
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04/12/2020 17:29:53 1 2
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Sam Simmonds should play centre. We have a wealth of back of row forwards and his speed and strength could be really valuable in the backs
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04/12/2020 16:44:21 7 12
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Once again England are set up to play a tedious territorial kicking game. I know they are not obliged to entertain but it’s predictable and monotonous. Boooooooooooring. ??
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04/12/2020 17:05:02 3 3
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Farrell exactly like Rob Andrew kick kick and more kicks!
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04/12/2020 19:10:14 1 2
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You actually watched Andrew play, right?
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04/12/2020 17:05:15 21 12
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Could have and should have been one of the games of the season, and for me the main sponsors Amazon should take the money back from the French federation....all federations knew of the commitment to this tournament, because all federations toke the payments....it’s not England’s fault, blame the French...
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04/12/2020 17:07:15 7 3
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Agreed
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04/12/2020 17:30:28 0 1
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Would be nice to watch but my internet is so slow that I would spend 50% of the match watching it buffering! And yes I did get the free Amazon month but a total waste of time. Can only afford BT sport or SKY so opted BT to watch premiership
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04/12/2020 17:05:43 3 3
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Le Crunch.....more like a big sloppy sook!

Should be a VERY one sided affair...
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04/12/2020 16:43:48 6 6
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Will the England team learn anything new from the likes of Woolfe and Price, two RL coaches? Look at last week's RL Grand Final for possibly the most exciting game of either code for a long, long time!
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04/12/2020 17:06:25 3 3
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Was that the game that was 2-0 at halftime, 8-4 final score & had to wait until last minute for a second try ?
I’m hoping for better with Eng vs France to be honest.
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04/12/2020 17:05:15 21 12
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Could have and should have been one of the games of the season, and for me the main sponsors Amazon should take the money back from the French federation....all federations knew of the commitment to this tournament, because all federations toke the payments....it’s not England’s fault, blame the French...
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04/12/2020 17:07:15 7 3
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Agreed
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04/12/2020 17:02:30 12 5
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England have in interesting conundrum in many respects, from an embarrassment of riches in positions such as back row, through a real dearth of top talent options at scrum half post Youngs.

Jones is a canny operator, most of the time, bust just cannot fathom why he hasn’t taken this as a ‘free hit’, put out a second string team and worked up his depth even further!
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04/12/2020 17:07:52 14 8
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Jones seems to have a "win at all costs" mentality. The Autumn Nations Cup is not an important tournament and a great opportunity to try other players and tactics has been missed.
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04/12/2020 17:16:31 4 10
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Pretty much every other team has treated this mickey mouse tournament as a development opportunity so it's a shame EJ hasn't done the same. Doubtless he'll bask in the 'glory' of victory but it will be pyrrhic at best
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05/12/2020 11:04:35 1 0
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I don't know whether or not you follow rugby, but since day one Jones has consistently and repeatedly tried out huge numbers of players. They get called up into the EPS training squad, which is around 35 in number, spend time in camp and are then either retained or sent back home. Thereafter EJ and his assistants pick the most appropriate 23 from the best available 35 for each match.
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04/12/2020 17:07:56 5 9
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Allez les blues
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The irony of your comment and name is not lost on me.
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04/12/2020 17:08:11 2 3
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Using Italy as the barometer, this French side beat them by 31 points last week. Scotland only managed to beat Italy by 11 points, England beat them by 29 points and Ireland 33 points.

Based on this could be a closer game than people think.
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04/12/2020 17:19:55 8 1
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If it was the same french side that played Italy , you’d have a point.
But it isn’t , the reason Eng will go in heavy favorites is France are missing 25 of their first choice players. This french team have just 68 caps between them vs England’s 830+

That does however free the French from pressure to perform & loads it up on England to not only win , but do so in style.
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04/12/2020 18:38:23 0 2
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That's some pretty banal whataboutery
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05/12/2020 05:58:58 0 0
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Not the same team as last week, 8 different players.
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04/12/2020 16:32:21 7 44
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Eddie can’t help himself can he.

The mind games and rubbish has started already.

France B team will decimate England because England only beat a shocking Irish team through Johnny May having a good day. They aren’t really that great with all the inflated egos, arrogance and the cheaters extraordinaire from Sarries forming the backbone of the team.

Who really cares what happens.
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04/12/2020 17:08:43 1 1
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Well you bothered to post so you must at least.
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04/12/2020 17:17:05 1 1
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Eddie can't help himself? He literally praised Franceby saying they shouldn't be underestimated.
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04/12/2020 17:10:30 12 3
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These matches have just been glorified practice sessions. England will win, but the French will probably benefit more, by giving experience to some fringe players, without the intimidation of a packed stadium.
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04/12/2020 17:10:56 18 4
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why did France not rotate more during the round robins?
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04/12/2020 17:21:55 8 10
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Because the agreement was only properly brokered after they had already played their friendly v Wales and 6n game with Ireland. T14 club have seen almost nothing of their players this year and they are the prime employers. Sympathy totally with the T14 clubs
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04/12/2020 17:26:22 4 1
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their first 3 games of the autumn were warm up game up against Wales
- first game together for 6 months and an important warm up for the following week's 6 nations decider against Ireland. Then the aformentioned Ireland game and finally, away to Scotland where they came unstuck back in March. Understandable that they wouldn't have wanted a weakened team for any of those games
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04/12/2020 17:42:10 5 1
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Because they did not want to bring people in and out of the Covid bubble

They have done the best they could within their own criteria
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04/12/2020 18:40:03 1 8
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Also because France is quite properly not taking this ridiculous tournament too seriously.
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04/12/2020 20:12:14 1 1
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That’s what I’m asking myself, I think they didn’t risk there second teams against the other teams to ensure victories and can just say this is a dead rubber / opportunity to give second string a crack at a good England team. They have a young team and can claim rightly they beat us when they had their first team out. Building momentum under galthie edwards and Ibanez
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DFP
04/12/2020 20:16:33 2 1
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To blood excellent young players against a top side in a tournament that doesn’t have any pressure attached??
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05/12/2020 08:58:32 2 0
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Too complicated and risky with Covid...

And yes fight between federation and clubs about availability of international players has always been endemic esp with ever increasing international calendar.
Clubs will be happy to have their stars back for top 14, without which there wouldn’t be a national squad of this quality.
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04/12/2020 17:07:56 5 9
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Allez les blues
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04/12/2020 17:11:43 8 1
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The irony of your comment and name is not lost on me.
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04/12/2020 17:50:47 2 1
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Pardon monsieur??
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04/12/2020 17:07:52 14 8
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Jones seems to have a "win at all costs" mentality. The Autumn Nations Cup is not an important tournament and a great opportunity to try other players and tactics has been missed.
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Imo
04/12/2020 17:16:31 4 10
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Pretty much every other team has treated this mickey mouse tournament as a development opportunity so it's a shame EJ hasn't done the same. Doubtless he'll bask in the 'glory' of victory but it will be pyrrhic at best
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04/12/2020 17:30:35 4 1
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Not sure what you have said is true, for example Wales last week blooded a few young players. However this was more because of injury rather than as a rotation effort. Ireland have been the same and obviously France on Sunday are having to blood because of the T14 commitments.
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04/12/2020 17:42:16 9 3
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Willis, Malins, Thorley, Robson, Lawrence, Dunn all players who got their first cap, or still in single figures for caps. Not bad for trying new talent, considering we can also still win it. Easier to play an inexpierenced squad when you got nothing to lose. A trophy is still a trophy and winning two tournaments in one year would be great.
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04/12/2020 21:11:28 1 1
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But most other teams are in a development stage eg Ireland France and Wales. Georgia are here for the experience and Italy are permanently developing. Scotland are looking stonier as they are about a year ahead of the first three mentioned.
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04/12/2020 17:08:43 1 1
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Well you bothered to post so you must at least.
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04/12/2020 17:17:05 1 1
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Eddie can't help himself? He literally praised Franceby saying they shouldn't be underestimated.
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04/12/2020 17:17:34 38 7
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Unfortunately: if England win handsomely it was because it was a third string French team; if England squeak a win, or win with a a twenty point margin only, then England need to go back to the drawing board.
Hiding to nothing - prepare for negativity whatever the result.
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04/12/2020 17:33:47 49 16
bbc
Win, lose or draw - in the BBC's eyes England are crap and the rest of the world can do no wrong.
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04/12/2020 17:51:49 9 4
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When we beat NZ in the semi final there was negativity and when we had a very good win against Ireland 2 weeks ago there was negativity (and not all of it from the ABE brigade!)
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04/12/2020 18:20:57 6 1
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Yep same as it's always been. England in a no-win position but we're used to that.
Still it gives the ABEs something to vent about.
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04/12/2020 20:36:17 2 3
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So on this occasion France will have a weakened team. Makes a change from our tired players having played more meaningful games.
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04/12/2020 17:08:11 2 3
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Using Italy as the barometer, this French side beat them by 31 points last week. Scotland only managed to beat Italy by 11 points, England beat them by 29 points and Ireland 33 points.

Based on this could be a closer game than people think.
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04/12/2020 17:19:55 8 1
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If it was the same french side that played Italy , you’d have a point.
But it isn’t , the reason Eng will go in heavy favorites is France are missing 25 of their first choice players. This french team have just 68 caps between them vs England’s 830+

That does however free the French from pressure to perform & loads it up on England to not only win , but do so in style.
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04/12/2020 17:20:07 2 11
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Just shows that this is just another friendly international. That’s why Wales haven’t taken any of this seriously.
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04/12/2020 18:39:49 2 1
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Couldn’t if they wanted to is the real truth behind the false bravado
They are a shadow of Gatland’s team
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04/12/2020 17:10:56 18 4
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why did France not rotate more during the round robins?
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04/12/2020 17:21:55 8 10
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Because the agreement was only properly brokered after they had already played their friendly v Wales and 6n game with Ireland. T14 club have seen almost nothing of their players this year and they are the prime employers. Sympathy totally with the T14 clubs
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04/12/2020 18:14:19 2 4
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Don't kid yourself. The agreement show whats wrong with French Rugby. They have the players to threaten the rest of the world now, but they are bloody short of practice and also backup. Many of the older guys don't have the mentality concentration or discipline to play top level. They want to win in 2023, but messing about like this won't help the plan. The level of expectation here is high.
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04/12/2020 17:02:30 12 5
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England have in interesting conundrum in many respects, from an embarrassment of riches in positions such as back row, through a real dearth of top talent options at scrum half post Youngs.

Jones is a canny operator, most of the time, bust just cannot fathom why he hasn’t taken this as a ‘free hit’, put out a second string team and worked up his depth even further!
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04/12/2020 17:25:08 7 3
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I think it's a real positive that we have a consistent team selection.

Looking at England football how many times have they arrived at a tournament without knowing what their strongest side is?

With only about 10 caps available each year we're already running out of time for the next world cup for new players to become experienced players.
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04/12/2020 17:10:56 18 4
bbc
why did France not rotate more during the round robins?
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04/12/2020 17:26:22 4 1
bbc
their first 3 games of the autumn were warm up game up against Wales
- first game together for 6 months and an important warm up for the following week's 6 nations decider against Ireland. Then the aformentioned Ireland game and finally, away to Scotland where they came unstuck back in March. Understandable that they wouldn't have wanted a weakened team for any of those games
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04/12/2020 17:28:23 11 3
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England on a hiding to nothing here. Pull off an easy win and it's expected because the French haven't put out their strongest side. Scrape a win or lose and they'll get pilloried for it.
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04/12/2020 17:35:02 17 6
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Goes with the tag of being top side in Europe and 2 in the world
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04/12/2020 17:04:50 1 1
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Lawrence is injured is my understanding
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04/12/2020 17:29:53 1 2
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Sam Simmonds should play centre. We have a wealth of back of row forwards and his speed and strength could be really valuable in the backs
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04/12/2020 17:05:15 21 12
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Could have and should have been one of the games of the season, and for me the main sponsors Amazon should take the money back from the French federation....all federations knew of the commitment to this tournament, because all federations toke the payments....it’s not England’s fault, blame the French...
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04/12/2020 17:30:28 0 1
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Would be nice to watch but my internet is so slow that I would spend 50% of the match watching it buffering! And yes I did get the free Amazon month but a total waste of time. Can only afford BT sport or SKY so opted BT to watch premiership
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Imo
04/12/2020 17:16:31 4 10
bbc
Pretty much every other team has treated this mickey mouse tournament as a development opportunity so it's a shame EJ hasn't done the same. Doubtless he'll bask in the 'glory' of victory but it will be pyrrhic at best
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04/12/2020 17:30:35 4 1
bbc
Not sure what you have said is true, for example Wales last week blooded a few young players. However this was more because of injury rather than as a rotation effort. Ireland have been the same and obviously France on Sunday are having to blood because of the T14 commitments.
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04/12/2020 17:31:42 0 1
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Eddie will make them do it the hard way. England to win by 20.
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Eddie Jones a a horrible person that has no respect for the the opposition, no wonder him and England go well together Removed
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04/12/2020 17:41:08 4 1
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Seems there's only one horrible person in this string with no respect for someone other than the team you support
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04/12/2020 17:41:10 0 1
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He speaks very highly of you...
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MRK
04/12/2020 17:42:05 0 1
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How do you conclude that from this interview?
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04/12/2020 17:52:46 0 1
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Come off the fence and tell us what you really feel about him!
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04/12/2020 17:32:50 16 2
bbc
If England were putting out a second/third team against any French representative side, the team and supporters would still consider winning as a reasonable possibility. Being an underdog does not mean you have accepted losing before playing the game.
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04/12/2020 17:17:34 38 7
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Unfortunately: if England win handsomely it was because it was a third string French team; if England squeak a win, or win with a a twenty point margin only, then England need to go back to the drawing board.
Hiding to nothing - prepare for negativity whatever the result.
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04/12/2020 17:33:47 49 16
bbc
Win, lose or draw - in the BBC's eyes England are crap and the rest of the world can do no wrong.
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04/12/2020 17:44:57 7 2
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BillyBoy I completely agree
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04/12/2020 17:57:36 7 3
bbc
So true. BBC only interested in sports / teams they broadcast everything else takes second place (except Man Utd but no surprise there I suppose)
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04/12/2020 18:32:53 3 16
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Rightly so . Your even messing up Brexit as your not liked
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04/12/2020 17:28:23 11 3
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England on a hiding to nothing here. Pull off an easy win and it's expected because the French haven't put out their strongest side. Scrape a win or lose and they'll get pilloried for it.
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04/12/2020 17:35:02 17 6
bbc
Goes with the tag of being top side in Europe and 2 in the world
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04/12/2020 21:31:04 0 4
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1 in the world in my book.
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04/12/2020 17:35:50 7 3
bbc
For all supporters, I hope that the French score first (but England win). We have yet to see as to whether the current tactics work when chasing the game
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04/12/2020 17:49:48 15 2
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Wales scored first, so England were chasing the game then - for about 2 minutes!
I think France will win by 7.
I just want to say a big well done to Argentina players Matera, Petti and Socino for standing up to the BLM mob. I see the BBC are now trying to start a witch-hunt against them instead of remaining impartial.
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pj
04/12/2020 17:46:03 5 7
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they posted foul and racist comments about Black South Africans, and now have gotten away with it. Shame on them all and on you
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04/12/2020 16:43:46 8 4
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Jones has missed the chance to try a few things out. How about giving Dan Robson a start? How about giving Farrell a break? A few other combinations need to be tried ....
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04/12/2020 17:40:58 1 2
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Yep. Agree with you. By the way, when was the last time Farrell made an actual break?
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04/12/2020 17:44:59 3 2
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When he set up Slade's try in the last game?
Eddie Jones a a horrible person that has no respect for the the opposition, no wonder him and England go well together Removed
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04/12/2020 17:41:08 4 1
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Seems there's only one horrible person in this string with no respect for someone other than the team you support
Eddie Jones a a horrible person that has no respect for the the opposition, no wonder him and England go well together Removed
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04/12/2020 17:41:10 0 1
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He speaks very highly of you...
Eddie Jones a a horrible person that has no respect for the the opposition, no wonder him and England go well together Removed
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MRK
04/12/2020 17:42:05 0 1
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How do you conclude that from this interview?
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04/12/2020 17:10:56 18 4
bbc
why did France not rotate more during the round robins?
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04/12/2020 17:42:10 5 1
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Because they did not want to bring people in and out of the Covid bubble

They have done the best they could within their own criteria
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Imo
04/12/2020 17:16:31 4 10
bbc
Pretty much every other team has treated this mickey mouse tournament as a development opportunity so it's a shame EJ hasn't done the same. Doubtless he'll bask in the 'glory' of victory but it will be pyrrhic at best
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04/12/2020 17:42:16 9 3
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Willis, Malins, Thorley, Robson, Lawrence, Dunn all players who got their first cap, or still in single figures for caps. Not bad for trying new talent, considering we can also still win it. Easier to play an inexpierenced squad when you got nothing to lose. A trophy is still a trophy and winning two tournaments in one year would be great.
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04/12/2020 17:33:47 49 16
bbc
Win, lose or draw - in the BBC's eyes England are crap and the rest of the world can do no wrong.
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04/12/2020 17:44:57 7 2
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BillyBoy I completely agree
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04/12/2020 17:40:58 1 2
bbc
Yep. Agree with you. By the way, when was the last time Farrell made an actual break?
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04/12/2020 17:44:59 3 2
bbc
When he set up Slade's try in the last game?
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04/12/2020 17:45:18 2 3
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It looks like a tough game between France and England.
I hope Scotland win third place.
I think France will win by 7.
I just want to say a big well done to Argentina players Matera, Petti and Socino for standing up to the BLM mob. I see the BBC are now trying to start a witch-hunt against them instead of remaining impartial.
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pj
04/12/2020 17:46:03 5 7
bbc
they posted foul and racist comments about Black South Africans, and now have gotten away with it. Shame on them all and on you
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04/12/2020 17:50:55 3 2
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How are the white farmers getting on in SA?
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04/12/2020 17:46:37 6 7
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Eddie can't be taking them that seriously.
He's selected Youngs, Ford and Daley.
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04/12/2020 18:09:19 1 1
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Terrible isn't it, those three all played against the Blacks. Don't worry your guys will get their chance and we're all waiting to see what they can do with a step up. Don't forget it took Exeter four years to really threaten and finally win the European Cup. Not saying I agree with Jones, but he's there and no amount of whingeing is going to change that
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04/12/2020 16:41:04 58 15
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You nailed it there. Whatever happens England can't "win".
That's the way it's always been unfortunately due to the ABEs.
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04/12/2020 17:47:12 14 4
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Top sides are always there to be shot at. As 1 in Europe and 2 in the World it goes with the turf
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04/12/2020 18:41:37 16 4
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We can always claim it’s a nothing tournament like everyone else ??
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04/12/2020 17:48:49 2 2
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Heaps of good rugby this weekend, starting with the Maori vs Moana Pasifika game.

France will cause England trouble I think, though my guess is England will win
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04/12/2020 17:35:50 7 3
bbc
For all supporters, I hope that the French score first (but England win). We have yet to see as to whether the current tactics work when chasing the game
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04/12/2020 17:49:48 15 2
bbc
Wales scored first, so England were chasing the game then - for about 2 minutes!
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04/12/2020 17:11:43 8 1
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The irony of your comment and name is not lost on me.
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04/12/2020 17:50:47 2 1
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Pardon monsieur??
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04/12/2020 18:17:57 1 1
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L'ironie de votre commentaire et de votre nom ne m'échappe pas
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pj
04/12/2020 17:46:03 5 7
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they posted foul and racist comments about Black South Africans, and now have gotten away with it. Shame on them all and on you
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04/12/2020 17:50:55 3 2
bbc
How are the white farmers getting on in SA?
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04/12/2020 18:03:35 2 4
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Why don’t you sod off to the drain you crawled out of
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04/12/2020 17:17:34 38 7
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Unfortunately: if England win handsomely it was because it was a third string French team; if England squeak a win, or win with a a twenty point margin only, then England need to go back to the drawing board.
Hiding to nothing - prepare for negativity whatever the result.
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04/12/2020 17:51:49 9 4
bbc
When we beat NZ in the semi final there was negativity and when we had a very good win against Ireland 2 weeks ago there was negativity (and not all of it from the ABE brigade!)
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04/12/2020 19:49:00 1 4
bbc
‘We’? I think you mean ‘they’.
Eddie Jones a a horrible person that has no respect for the the opposition, no wonder him and England go well together Removed
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04/12/2020 17:52:46 0 1
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Come off the fence and tell us what you really feel about him!
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04/12/2020 17:53:11 1 1
bbc
It's hard to tell, these days, who the best 15 of any of the top nations is (NZ, SA, Aus, France, England). The only value in this competition is a) revenue replacement for the national organisations and b) opportunity to assess new players, why doesn't Eddie exclude his top 25 players? Given the brutality of the English Premiership, I would guess injuries would already account for many of these!!
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04/12/2020 18:58:31 0 1
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Bet Eddie doesn’t see it that way...
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04/12/2020 17:33:47 49 16
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Win, lose or draw - in the BBC's eyes England are crap and the rest of the world can do no wrong.
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04/12/2020 17:57:36 7 3
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So true. BBC only interested in sports / teams they broadcast everything else takes second place (except Man Utd but no surprise there I suppose)
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05/12/2020 17:15:00 0 0
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Given what they do broadcast these days, that would be world cribbage and ludo. F useless for your licence fee.
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Gaz
04/12/2020 17:59:24 5 5
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What is the point of this game? against the second or third string French squad. Sad really.
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04/12/2020 18:24:51 5 8
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And you are? Welsh?? Scottish??? Irish???? Then you'll be playing for 3rd, 4th, or 5th this weekend! Now that's really sad!!