Virus levels falling across most of England, says ONS
04/12/2020 | news | health | 1,217
Infection levels are down among all age groups and all regions apart from one, data suggests.
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04/12/2020 13:04:28 31 30
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good news - herd immunity building up despite these stupid economy and livlihood destroying lockdowns. the west must sue the communists for their negligence.
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04/12/2020 13:07:56 11 13
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We need to thank Students and Schoolchildren, they did more to achieve this than any of the 'Experts'
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04/12/2020 13:09:00 12 10
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Herd immunity has nothing to do with the latest reduction in transmission.
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04/12/2020 13:35:46 3 1
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Well put. I've been saying this since March.
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04/12/2020 14:08:55 1 2
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I really don't think you can blame Corbyn and McDonnell.
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04/12/2020 13:05:23 283 40
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No strategy or policies will ever lead to 100% compliance or success. However we should be grateful there is clearly enough happening to improve the infection outlook for now, instead of pursuing a divisive blame game of who/what’s been making this worse, when the blame game itself is making society as a whole worse.
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04/12/2020 13:27:13 164 299
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Hmm...

Countries like Germany, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand have handled the crisis far more efficiently than we have.

If we do as you suggest (for party political Tory advantage!) and don't analyse what went wrong in the UK, we will be doomed to make the same mistakes should we have to deal with another virus outbreak.
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04/12/2020 13:57:17 8 0
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As are these stupid, idiotic and pointless comments sections!!!
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04/12/2020 14:15:00 6 16
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We have spent 400 billion on this pandemic. The Government has failed spectacularly with its policies. Lockdowns are the result of this failure, specifically lack of contingency. Any policy that demands 100% adherence for 10 months was a non starter. Where is government approved QALY/CBA statistics? I do not feel grateful for this.
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04/12/2020 14:27:45 7 10
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It has nothing to do with playing the blame game but rightly holding a government accountable for wasting billions of taxpayers money on terrible private contracts, giving us one of the worst coronavirus death rates in the world (and worse than many other comparable countries) and on course for the largest contraction in GDP in the G7
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04/12/2020 15:39:53 2 2
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The blame does and always has rested with the political elephant in the room that The Media and like minded others refuse to call out.

Either it was the disgusting, scandalously inefficient and dangerous lack of food hygiene controls, or the accidental or deliberate release from a war lab, of the Covid virus. Either from the People’s Republic of China and its incompetent government, no one else
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04/12/2020 13:05:44 18 3
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Good news
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04/12/2020 13:05:52 50 13
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Excellent news... think I'll nip the pub for a celebration pint... oh hang on... still in lockdown.
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04/12/2020 13:29:37 34 93
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Come and join me tonight if you like. My local hasn't put in place any of the stupid rules except a plastic screen at the bar. I'll be there after work for a pint and a substantial meal of beer.
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04/12/2020 14:27:08 2 1
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Don't you like scotch eggs?
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04/12/2020 13:06:13 8 22
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This shows what could have been achieved if the government had acted more quickly and more decisively.

Sadly, the dithering and flip flopping has resulted in the UK having the highest number of causalities in Europe.
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04/12/2020 13:09:56 17 1
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Does it? In the first wave certainly, but broadly speaking countries in Europe have followed a similar trajectory this time around, even the ones who acted quicker with harsher measures. And if we're talking about the UK, it doesn't look like Wales' short, sharp 'firebreak' did very much good either. I think sometimes we're in danger of overestimating how much control we have over the virus.
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04/12/2020 13:11:13 3 1
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Highest number of causality is not how you compare with other countries... ??
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04/12/2020 13:15:04 4 1
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Yet another hindsight expert, you should have offered your crystal ball to the government and we could have avoided all the aggravation we have lived through.
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04/12/2020 13:26:37 0 0
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Worth noting that Italy is not that far behind us in the Death rate....
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04/12/2020 15:15:43 0 0
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Not True. Belgium far worse per head population. Spain, Italy and several others a bit worse and majority of rest not much different. Second wave one of best.
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04/12/2020 13:04:28 31 30
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good news - herd immunity building up despite these stupid economy and livlihood destroying lockdowns. the west must sue the communists for their negligence.
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04/12/2020 13:07:56 11 13
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We need to thank Students and Schoolchildren, they did more to achieve this than any of the 'Experts'
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So the infection rate of the kung flu is falling. Big deal this corrupt, lying government will still keep this pointless and unfair tier system or put us back in lockdown for a virus that is a 1% killer and 99% recovery rate, total bs. Removed
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04/12/2020 13:14:52 6 6
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20% of the people who contract Covid end up in hospital, often for lengthy stays. This reduces capacity which means poorer outcomes for the whole population. 1% deaths is also not 'bs'.. it is 10x the death rate from seasonal flu. See the bigger picture.
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04/12/2020 13:08:40 51 16
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And the question has to be asked as to why large parts of the country were put in tier 3 when they had less than the average Covid rates, places like the Peak District and surrounding areas. Especially when parts of London have double these rates and somehow put in tier 2
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kev
04/12/2020 13:16:42 35 26
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They made up the scoring system to make sure of this. The worst part of it is they actually think that the general public believe it. Never has a bunch of people and that includes these so called 'eminent scientists' held the public in such contempt.
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04/12/2020 13:41:38 3 5
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*yawn* my, is that the time...
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04/12/2020 16:04:51 0 0
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Because it us London
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04/12/2020 17:02:42 0 2
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Because Westminster have a northern naughty list.
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04/12/2020 17:11:25 2 1
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Because "We're all in this together" - except London of course where they get billions of pounds of extra support for TFL etc. and rules specifically fudged to allow them to avoid tier 3!!
04/12/2020 19:00:01 0 0
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London has more hospitals.
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04/12/2020 13:08:43 52 39
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Of course infection rates in England are falling, we have only just completed a 4 week lockdown. How will the Government possibly justify keeping 99% of us under the current draconian totalitarian restirctions after the next review in a week or so time? Let' see how they are going to move the goalposts this time!
They will manipulate the figures to fit their agenda Removed
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04/12/2020 13:25:15 7 8
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So let me see if I understand you correctly. The Government want to close 60% of businesses, making a large number of people unemployed and therefore costing the Government 100's of millions in Unemployment benefit? Weird world you live in
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04/12/2020 13:31:52 3 5
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I suppose, although they probably won't, point to how Australia came out of their winter with very few new daily cases, whilst we came out of our summer with soaring levels of new cases.
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04/12/2020 13:04:28 31 30
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good news - herd immunity building up despite these stupid economy and livlihood destroying lockdowns. the west must sue the communists for their negligence.
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04/12/2020 13:09:00 12 10
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Herd immunity has nothing to do with the latest reduction in transmission.
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04/12/2020 13:27:51 4 3
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Yeah, how do you think so many people survive the flu each year. Why don't you study some history of Americas in the 1490 it might help you understand.
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04/12/2020 13:09:06 4 8
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Looking at yesterday's nationwide figures. It's dropping in those areas who have had months of tight restrictions. But rising in others. It's not over yet. Still moving about when restrictions are lifted.
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04/12/2020 13:09:46 11 10
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Terry from Facebook and the other "Lockdowns don't work" (or maybe a better term would be a package of slightly restrictive measures) brigade are going to go nuts when they see this.........
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04/12/2020 13:15:32 0 1
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And Jack from tik tok still doesn't understand human virology after so many weeks in lockdown.... Hopefully he will get his job back.
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04/12/2020 13:24:56 0 0
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I am not going nuts, and really pleased it is going down. If only name calling could be stopped {Terry from facebook} sadly if you have another opinion to someone else, put downs are the only option to feel your right. Please keep an open mind
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04/12/2020 13:06:13 8 22
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This shows what could have been achieved if the government had acted more quickly and more decisively.

Sadly, the dithering and flip flopping has resulted in the UK having the highest number of causalities in Europe.
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04/12/2020 13:09:56 17 1
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Does it? In the first wave certainly, but broadly speaking countries in Europe have followed a similar trajectory this time around, even the ones who acted quicker with harsher measures. And if we're talking about the UK, it doesn't look like Wales' short, sharp 'firebreak' did very much good either. I think sometimes we're in danger of overestimating how much control we have over the virus.
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04/12/2020 13:11:09 88 17
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Great news.. This and the vaccine hopefully means lower tiers end of Jan and an end to them by Spring...

So long as people don't act like idiots and get the jab when offered (which I appreciate isn't a given!)
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04/12/2020 13:14:42 59 21
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You forgot about the idiots at Christmas break.
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04/12/2020 13:19:20 2 4
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I wish I shared your optimism! We will need to vaccinate about 30 million people - this means 60 million doses of vaccine manufactured, distributed and injected - I haven't seen a timeline for this.
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04/12/2020 13:56:53 6 8
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Yes, people who refuse vaccination should be refused treatment when they get the virus !
I am lost on your comment - why "great news" on the vaccine if you then decry people taking the vaccine??
I think you, not they are the "idiot"
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I am not sure why my comment was removed, which was: 'Why "great news" on the vaccine if you then decry people taking the vaccine?? I think you, not they are the "idi*t"'
Any guesses? Loads of the word 'idi*t' in all posts, so why mine? What are these BBC moderators doing? Perhaps without reading, removing every nth post to earn their keep ...
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04/12/2020 18:56:41 0 0
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I'm not an idiot I am, an intelligent informed person who looks beyond the hype.
04/12/2020 19:15:14 0 0
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Nick.. Act like idiots, you mean live their lives.
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04/12/2020 13:06:13 8 22
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This shows what could have been achieved if the government had acted more quickly and more decisively.

Sadly, the dithering and flip flopping has resulted in the UK having the highest number of causalities in Europe.
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04/12/2020 13:11:13 3 1
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Highest number of causality is not how you compare with other countries... ??
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04/12/2020 13:11:52 100 29
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This is good news but there are still far too many people being infected and far too many dying each day. I hope people act responsibly over Christmas and that we don't get another spike the same way as happened post Thanksgiving in the US
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04/12/2020 13:24:57 25 59
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.... infection doesn't equal Ilhealth ...
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04/12/2020 14:25:58 0 0
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Two hopes of that, and one is Bob Hope
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04/12/2020 15:28:11 2 0
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How is North Wales Mrs Trellis?
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04/12/2020 16:46:57 2 3
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At least with covid nobody actually dies of anything else hell folk die of something every day is that tooo many?
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04/12/2020 17:40:16 1 1
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Responsible!!!!! They don’t know what that is - a total bunch of me me and only me
04/12/2020 19:14:43 1 3
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Mrs Trellis, sorry to provide facts but no more people currently dying than in a normal year... The second wave isn't much of anything... But you stay safe.
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04/12/2020 13:12:02 8 5
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All set the next lockdown straight after new year - bring it on :(
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04/12/2020 13:12:38 190 19
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After 4 weeks of "lockdown", one would jolly well hope they are falling - and to an extent which justifies the economic damage.
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04/12/2020 13:26:55 95 123
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The R rate was already falling before the lockdown, so no surprise. Lockdowns are only any use if your health care system is in serious trouble. 10/12 hospitals being at capacity is no where near justification.
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04/12/2020 13:28:19 11 15
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Well they are and it does!
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04/12/2020 13:51:26 12 3
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So after 3 weeks lockdown in Wales, why is it not falling?
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04/12/2020 13:12:56 314 78
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Compared with other countries in Europe, and the U.S., we are now doing well. And first with a vaccine too. Credit where it is due.
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04/12/2020 13:35:57 175 286
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Sigh!!

Compared to most countries we have the most deaths and the worst economic performance.
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04/12/2020 13:36:08 15 24
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Shame about all the dead though!
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04/12/2020 13:58:47 28 15
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How can you claim we’re the first with a vaccine? The first vaccine announced to have completed its trials was the one developed by Pfizer (USA) and BioNTech (Germany). We’re just the first country to give it regulatory approval. So credit is surely due to those two countries, if you’re looking to trumpet national pride. The comments yesterday by Gavin Williamson were an embarrassment.
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04/12/2020 14:07:49 13 8
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You're not correct ( along with a lot of the UK media) - Russia has been using its Sputnik V vaccine since the summer.
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04/12/2020 14:14:01 8 10
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We currently have more deaths/pop than the US. How are we doing better?
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04/12/2020 14:33:59 9 8
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You mean the German/American vaccine being manufactured in Belgium, and which the Government have got to try and ensure won't be disrupted by its own crazy Brexit stance on January 1st?
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04/12/2020 14:38:45 3 6
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What a load of rubbish.
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04/12/2020 15:00:39 4 1
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Its not our vaccine, The lead form is German, The scientists lead from Turkey and being manafactured in Belgem, The only thing the UK has done is approve first.
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04/12/2020 15:04:37 3 0
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Fact checker - UK first in approving this vaccine for use . Vaccine itself developed by a Turkish couple living and working in Germany , German excellence in this field and partnered with a US company . I do not know definitely but I am sure UK expertise would have contributed somewhere to the actual vaccine ( the glass vials ? )
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04/12/2020 15:13:10 3 3
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"And first with a vaccine too."

Note that in the US, regulations over drug/vaccine safety are much more stringent than in the UK (and EU). The US FDA actually re-analyses the original data from pharmaceutical trials. Here, we basically accept at face value the pharmaceutical companies' own analysis. The EU approval system is also more thorough than the process here.
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04/12/2020 15:14:26 1 2
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We did not produce this vaccine, we have imported it and declared it safe and effective before others have completed their testing. Do our rapid checks answer all the medical/scientific questions? I hope so
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04/12/2020 15:53:34 2 0
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"first with a vaccine"? The Pfizer vaccine was developed by 2 scientists of Turkish origin working for a company in Germany and is manufactured in Belgium.
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04/12/2020 16:06:43 3 1
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But if you read the reports properly no one in Britain actually did anything to develop this vaccine. It was discovered by Turkish scientists and developed by German and US companies. The only British involvement was evaluation of the test results
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04/12/2020 16:39:17 2 3
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We've done appallingly. And we're not first with a vaccine, we're first to use it. Other nations are being more responsibly cautious.
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04/12/2020 16:42:23 2 2
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We have still more deaths than anywhere in Europe and thank Germans and Belgians for the vaccine. Has nothing to do with this government which is responsible for thousands of deaths due to mismanaging the virus in March
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04/12/2020 17:28:39 0 0
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Rubbish
04/12/2020 18:33:48 1 1
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We have the fifth highest number of deaths in the world (highest in Europe) and the countries ahead of us all have much bigger populations.
Our economy is the second most damaged (after only Argentina).
We have more deaths per capita than the US.
We didn't produce the vaccine - Germany did.
Your credit seems a little misplaced.
04/12/2020 19:09:02 0 0
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Vaccine, I don't share your optimism it will take months to vaccinate sufficient numbers to get us out of this lockdown madness.
04/12/2020 20:09:29 1 0
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Given the start de Pfefell Johnson made, yes we have improved. His leadership was nothing short of inept until scientists kicked him on the shins.
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04/12/2020 13:13:09 17 22
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Maybe we can get back to earning a living then. This government and their scientist friends have got just about everything wrong throughout. Taking away someones livelihood by passing laws without voting on them and singling out one sector to pay for their many errors is so wrong. We are being run by a bunch of inadequates, and I voted for them......
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04/12/2020 13:18:00 5 11
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you did not vote for the experts involved and they have been infallible, the government have failed to do their job correctly not the experts who advised them. when the gov choose to ignore based on evidence presented to them then do not tarnish all with the same brush. you may have had enough of experts, i've had enough of that tone. experts drive everything forward, not backward like politicians
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04/12/2020 13:19:56 0 2
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Your fault, then. Although you're entitled to change your mind when better information becomes available.
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04/12/2020 13:13:17 166 38
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Ignorant comments by so called experts like Fauci won't help matters. Lets hope he hasn't impacted the take up of the vaccine too much and the infection rate can really be brought down.
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04/12/2020 13:19:43 128 8
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He has since backtracked but you are absolutely right. I'll informed comments from someone who should know better.
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04/12/2020 13:44:32 17 8
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Agree with your comment but he was clearly irritated and reacting to an equally ignorant comment from our Gav.

Gavin Williamson and Grant Shapps must be two of most inept people to have ever held a cabinet post - and there's some serious competition there.
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04/12/2020 14:39:49 6 3
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You are absolutely correct about Fauci. Over the coming months, we will be seeing his ego-driven outburst on countless anti-vax memes, Facebook posts, etc. He has set back the prospects of a good vaccination rate both in the UK and in the USA.
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04/12/2020 14:43:24 0 5
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Peopie in glass houses springs to mind.
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04/12/2020 15:34:08 5 3
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He is not a so called expert, he is an expert.
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04/12/2020 15:47:30 3 0
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Hopefully in a few days we will see other countries like Germany (if the EU lets them) and the US pass the vaccines too. That should reassure a few people.
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04/12/2020 16:40:05 5 0
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What it comes down to (and what Fauci should have said) is that there is a fundamental difference between the ways the UK and USA certify a new drug. The US FDA requires all data from the trials to be handed over and then they conduct their own analysis. The UK MRHA takes the analyses performed by the drug companies. The US system therefore takes longer - it's all a matter of who you trust.
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04/12/2020 16:37:28 0 7
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He is right though. You can't rush a 5 year process into 10 months without a serious risk to safety. Add that to the fact that the vast majority of the population aren't at risk - I for one as someone under 50 with no concerns, will NOT be taking any vaccine until it's been through a good long test.
04/12/2020 18:46:13 2 0
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"Ignorant comments by so called experts like Fauci"

The long-serving director of NIAID has survived criticising Trump because he is the best qualified and experienced immunologist US can find for the job.
Now, what are your credentials that you call him 'ignorant'?
04/12/2020 20:10:29 1 0
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Whether or not he is ignorant, he should keep his nose on the other side of the pond, out of our business, and sort out the mess in America. The MHRA are very thorough, and they've been reviewing the data as it became available, rather than waiting for it all to be presented in one big lump before they started to review it. A very sensible approach over all.
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04/12/2020 13:13:44 112 19
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Great news and long may it continue to decline. Lots of people about when shopping today so instead of on/off I tried leaving my mask on even between shops. I didn't notice after a while, hope all our little gestures keep helping.
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04/12/2020 13:15:46 38 90
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I keep my mask on at home and in the car too. And I wash my hands 26 times a day.
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04/12/2020 13:38:17 20 15
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The government must love it when their stooges read comments like yours. Their relentless propaganda and hysteria has worked on some who are now scared of their own shadow.
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04/12/2020 14:24:56 6 0
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Cold here - kept my mask on between home and shop; no different from the usual wrapping a scarf round my face in winter ...
04/12/2020 19:12:02 0 1
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You wear your mask, let me live my life.
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04/12/2020 13:13:46 9 7
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Time for tier 1 then!
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04/12/2020 13:18:58 7 3
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Far too early.
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04/12/2020 13:27:53 1 2
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That would be inappropriate at this stage.
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04/12/2020 13:11:09 88 17
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Great news.. This and the vaccine hopefully means lower tiers end of Jan and an end to them by Spring...

So long as people don't act like idiots and get the jab when offered (which I appreciate isn't a given!)
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04/12/2020 13:14:42 59 21
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You forgot about the idiots at Christmas break.
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04/12/2020 13:21:32 9 15
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The idiots who want to act like free citizens in a democracy you mean?
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04/12/2020 14:05:46 8 5
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Personally I think those who call others idiots are idiots themselves. These are your fellow countrymen and not everybody has the luxury of middle class income and pensions.
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04/12/2020 14:37:23 4 4
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We must all do as we are told, unless you want to be part of a BLM riot, or XR, in which case do what you want with complete impunity.
04/12/2020 19:15:40 0 0
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AggyGem you stay scared ill live thank you.
So the infection rate of the kung flu is falling. Big deal this corrupt, lying government will still keep this pointless and unfair tier system or put us back in lockdown for a virus that is a 1% killer and 99% recovery rate, total bs. Removed
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04/12/2020 13:14:52 6 6
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20% of the people who contract Covid end up in hospital, often for lengthy stays. This reduces capacity which means poorer outcomes for the whole population. 1% deaths is also not 'bs'.. it is 10x the death rate from seasonal flu. See the bigger picture.
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04/12/2020 13:20:49 1 2
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20% must be all over 70+.... You don't really know how many people actually had covid so you info is misleading.
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MVP
04/12/2020 13:06:13 8 22
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This shows what could have been achieved if the government had acted more quickly and more decisively.

Sadly, the dithering and flip flopping has resulted in the UK having the highest number of causalities in Europe.
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04/12/2020 13:15:04 4 1
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Yet another hindsight expert, you should have offered your crystal ball to the government and we could have avoided all the aggravation we have lived through.
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Sam
04/12/2020 13:15:08 250 43
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I think if you want to make international comparisons it is worth looking at UK performance since the low in the Summer. In this second wave, it looks like the Government have been on top of things better than most in Europe and in England in particular have squashed the second wave pretty well.
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04/12/2020 13:21:58 119 206
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They triggered the second wave. with their decision to send 1.2 million student all over the country for 4 hours a week face to face tuition. Does their £9k go to pay the sage scientists who are nearly all connected to universities
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04/12/2020 13:25:35 17 12
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I think the point has been missed. The second wave was obviously coming as numbers increased as the relaxation in restrictions went too far too soon. It should have been planned for and action taken before it got too high. The benefit of the first lock down was wasted and we now have the highest number of deaths in Europe. We are now going to waste the the benefits of the second lock down.
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04/12/2020 13:39:41 14 12
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I feel really bad for Italy. They got absolutely hammered in the first wave, and MUCH harder on this second one.

Situations like that is why the EU stalling on the vaccine really isn't good enough.
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04/12/2020 13:53:21 4 0
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i agree. let's have a positive outlook
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04/12/2020 15:20:37 4 2
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Lets not forget the Eat Out To Spread The Virus initiative the Tory government introduced to ensure there was an increased mortality rate in the run up to Christmas to distract from their Brexit trade deal fiasco
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04/12/2020 15:37:49 0 0
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I agree Sam and it is pretty pointless comparing internationally as each country and its demographics and populations are all unique so why try and compare?
04/12/2020 19:10:20 0 2
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What 2nd wave, death rates currently at normal rates for this time of year.
04/12/2020 20:10:14 1 0
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60,000 deaths and still rising
04/12/2020 22:29:58 0 0
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Spot on
04/12/2020 22:38:54 0 0
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Correct, except the facts won't stop the more uneducated majority claiming otherwise.
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04/12/2020 13:15:15 179 43
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It's on the rise again in Wales after a paltry 2 week 'firebreak'.
I wonder if, in hindsight, Kier Starmer regrets pushing the UK government to follow Wales' flawed strategy. Or will he rewrite that bit of history.
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04/12/2020 13:18:29 18 69
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Public sector worker by any chance?
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kev
04/12/2020 13:19:59 11 33
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He'll just hope no one mentions it. Just like the so called scientists and government hope that no one mentions that they actually triggered the second wave of death by sending 1.2 million students careering across the country for their £9k to pay the scientists wages. They are crucifying the hospitality sector to deflect the attention
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04/12/2020 13:19:04 5 4
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Lets hope that Labour fence stays up.
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04/12/2020 13:33:38 10 17
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The daily rate of new cases in Wales is still considerably below the levels across large areas of England !!!!!!!!!!

I'm English btw!
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04/12/2020 13:55:08 16 6
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If it was a conservative Welsh government he would have a lot to say. The fact he is keeping very quiet about it shows that he was totally wrong and more interested in playing politics than doing what is best for the country
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04/12/2020 14:52:18 13 5
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Mr Starmer is currently unavailable for comment as he is currently trying to decide which fence to sit on. He will get back to you soon I'm sure.
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04/12/2020 15:52:56 8 2
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What I don't understand is that most politicians don't seem to have a clue about the people of the UK. Haven't they seen the demonstrations, students partying, street barbeques, city centres jam packed, mile long queues at IKEA? They seem to think people are sensible and won't go daft after lockdown. The population is stupid, but the politicians are more stupid if they don't realise that.
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04/12/2020 17:53:04 2 0
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Eh? What are you on about? Starmer's position (fully supported by the science) was that lockdown was delayed for too long.
04/12/2020 22:31:39 0 1
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The Welsh strategy has been a disaster - as we can clearly now see.
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04/12/2020 13:09:46 11 10
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Terry from Facebook and the other "Lockdowns don't work" (or maybe a better term would be a package of slightly restrictive measures) brigade are going to go nuts when they see this.........
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04/12/2020 13:15:32 0 1
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And Jack from tik tok still doesn't understand human virology after so many weeks in lockdown.... Hopefully he will get his job back.
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04/12/2020 13:13:44 112 19
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Great news and long may it continue to decline. Lots of people about when shopping today so instead of on/off I tried leaving my mask on even between shops. I didn't notice after a while, hope all our little gestures keep helping.
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04/12/2020 13:15:46 38 90
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I keep my mask on at home and in the car too. And I wash my hands 26 times a day.
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kev
04/12/2020 13:22:38 12 16
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Well done, I'll stand on the doorstep and clap you
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04/12/2020 13:23:42 13 4
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Agreed .... I also stay two meters apart from those in my household ..... not even a snifflle for me so far this winter...
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04/12/2020 13:29:42 19 1
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Why? Are your family infected? And your car not safe?
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04/12/2020 13:37:50 10 1
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LOL !!

I have to take my mask off in between shops because I find it difficult to breath and I find that it makes me sneeze.
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04/12/2020 13:38:05 24 5
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You have OCD, not covid19.
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04/12/2020 13:50:14 4 2
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LOL
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04/12/2020 13:50:21 7 0
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Sex will never be quite the same!
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04/12/2020 14:35:31 3 0
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OCD sufferer?
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04/12/2020 14:48:16 4 2
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Your mask should be standing on its own now supported by a plethora of microbes and water!
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04/12/2020 14:50:27 5 0
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I know someone who is completely paranoid who does the same .
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04/12/2020 15:26:16 3 1
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Why for goodness sake? Think you are taking this a bit too seriously.
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04/12/2020 16:22:09 3 1
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You are truly paranoid.
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04/12/2020 16:28:58 1 0
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Doesn't that make eating meals rather difficult?
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04/12/2020 16:46:50 2 0
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Are you one of the wallys driving an empty car with a mask over your mouth only??
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04/12/2020 17:15:43 2 0
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Agreed. I wear mine in the shower and when I go to bed
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04/12/2020 17:38:32 1 0
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Plonker or you have a very dirty house filled with infected people
04/12/2020 19:12:31 0 0
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I hope that is irony Thomas!
04/12/2020 22:26:17 0 0
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I keep mine on in the shower and when I’m sleeping. I haven’t been out or opened the curtains since Feb 17th and I wash my hands with bleach every 10 mins
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04/12/2020 13:08:40 51 16
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And the question has to be asked as to why large parts of the country were put in tier 3 when they had less than the average Covid rates, places like the Peak District and surrounding areas. Especially when parts of London have double these rates and somehow put in tier 2
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kev
04/12/2020 13:16:42 35 26
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They made up the scoring system to make sure of this. The worst part of it is they actually think that the general public believe it. Never has a bunch of people and that includes these so called 'eminent scientists' held the public in such contempt.
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04/12/2020 16:21:00 1 2
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The government are doing s postcode lottery on this. The whole UK needs to be under the same restrictions so that they can be considered objectively
04/12/2020 18:58:27 0 0
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Well said!
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kev
04/12/2020 13:13:09 17 22
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Maybe we can get back to earning a living then. This government and their scientist friends have got just about everything wrong throughout. Taking away someones livelihood by passing laws without voting on them and singling out one sector to pay for their many errors is so wrong. We are being run by a bunch of inadequates, and I voted for them......
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04/12/2020 13:18:00 5 11
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you did not vote for the experts involved and they have been infallible, the government have failed to do their job correctly not the experts who advised them. when the gov choose to ignore based on evidence presented to them then do not tarnish all with the same brush. you may have had enough of experts, i've had enough of that tone. experts drive everything forward, not backward like politicians
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04/12/2020 13:26:08 2 1
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Are these the same 'experts' who got their predictions so disastrously wrong and continue to do so? Are these the same 'experts' who advised against closing the borders at the start of the pandemic? The biggest mistake this government has made is listening to them!
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04/12/2020 13:26:41 1 1
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" the experts involved and they have been infallible"

What, like producing data based on flawed models and predicting impossible outcomes that have never happened anywhere?

I hope I am never so infallible
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04/12/2020 13:18:00 9 7
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Pandemics follow patterns, nothing new each wave will become smaller , the irony was it’s not properly planned for
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04/12/2020 13:34:58 6 6
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Why plan when you can lie?
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04/12/2020 13:08:43 52 39
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Of course infection rates in England are falling, we have only just completed a 4 week lockdown. How will the Government possibly justify keeping 99% of us under the current draconian totalitarian restirctions after the next review in a week or so time? Let' see how they are going to move the goalposts this time!
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They will manipulate the figures to fit their agenda Removed
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04/12/2020 13:26:34 19 9
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I believe certain scientists and health professionals definitely do have an agenda and will want to keep some of these restrictions in place for years.
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04/12/2020 13:37:56 3 1
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In this case though, these are figures from Office for National Statistics, who by law are independent of government.
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04/12/2020 13:15:15 179 43
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It's on the rise again in Wales after a paltry 2 week 'firebreak'.
I wonder if, in hindsight, Kier Starmer regrets pushing the UK government to follow Wales' flawed strategy. Or will he rewrite that bit of history.
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04/12/2020 13:18:29 18 69
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Public sector worker by any chance?
The current format of this forum, defaulting to “Highest Rated”, distorts the general opinion. It accentuates a few single points (mob rule!), relegates less popular ideas, works against new ideas and suppresses plurality of viewpoints.

The “Highest Rated” should be dropped, or at least become non-default, and I’m going to spam the Beeb until they get it right, and hope everyone else will too.
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04/12/2020 13:22:17 4 7
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Oh shut up!
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04/12/2020 13:23:43 1 2
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Absolutely
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04/12/2020 13:11:09 88 17
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Great news.. This and the vaccine hopefully means lower tiers end of Jan and an end to them by Spring...

So long as people don't act like idiots and get the jab when offered (which I appreciate isn't a given!)
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04/12/2020 13:19:20 2 4
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I wish I shared your optimism! We will need to vaccinate about 30 million people - this means 60 million doses of vaccine manufactured, distributed and injected - I haven't seen a timeline for this.
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04/12/2020 15:50:31 5 0
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30m flu jabs are administered every year.
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04/12/2020 13:19:27 8 8
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Looking forward to my bat soup on Christmas Day!
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04/12/2020 13:22:12 2 2
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Will that be followed with turkey feet and chips?
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04/12/2020 13:33:22 0 0
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with a Robin side?
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04/12/2020 13:13:17 166 38
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Ignorant comments by so called experts like Fauci won't help matters. Lets hope he hasn't impacted the take up of the vaccine too much and the infection rate can really be brought down.
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04/12/2020 13:19:43 128 8
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He has since backtracked but you are absolutely right. I'll informed comments from someone who should know better.
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04/12/2020 13:58:44 6 2
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What, like the ill informed comments on here?
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04/12/2020 13:19:45 21 10
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I can only see an increase in London after being in T2, pubs open theatres open, there will be a surge
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04/12/2020 13:33:28 13 5
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London clearly has some form of herd immunity Markos as it took such a hit in spring. The north is worst now because it got off relatively lightly then.
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04/12/2020 16:07:50 0 0
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It will not change anything
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kev
04/12/2020 13:13:09 17 22
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Maybe we can get back to earning a living then. This government and their scientist friends have got just about everything wrong throughout. Taking away someones livelihood by passing laws without voting on them and singling out one sector to pay for their many errors is so wrong. We are being run by a bunch of inadequates, and I voted for them......
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04/12/2020 13:19:56 0 2
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Your fault, then. Although you're entitled to change your mind when better information becomes available.
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04/12/2020 13:15:15 179 43
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It's on the rise again in Wales after a paltry 2 week 'firebreak'.
I wonder if, in hindsight, Kier Starmer regrets pushing the UK government to follow Wales' flawed strategy. Or will he rewrite that bit of history.
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kev
04/12/2020 13:19:59 11 33
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He'll just hope no one mentions it. Just like the so called scientists and government hope that no one mentions that they actually triggered the second wave of death by sending 1.2 million students careering across the country for their £9k to pay the scientists wages. They are crucifying the hospitality sector to deflect the attention
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04/12/2020 13:24:35 24 13
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Nobody sent anyone anywhere. You go to university if you want to, it's not transportation to a concentration camp.
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04/12/2020 17:50:18 1 0
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There is actually no credible evidence that the 2nd wave was driven by students. Don't let facts get in the way of your prejudices, though.
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04/12/2020 13:20:40 5 10
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I don't put any trust in these figures which are simply estimates
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04/12/2020 13:32:34 4 2
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they are based on sampling and science with a margin of error. I suppose you could try wishful thinking, conspiracy theories and voodoo, if that suits you more.
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04/12/2020 13:38:18 0 0
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Yes, because in our area, even up if you have the recognised symptoms it doesn’t mean you can get a test! My daughter was told by her GP to get a test but when she tried to get one the message kept coming up there were none available. I’m not eligible for a free test either because I don’t have the ‘official’ symptoms. I wonder how many others are like us but not recognised in the statistics?
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04/12/2020 13:14:52 6 6
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20% of the people who contract Covid end up in hospital, often for lengthy stays. This reduces capacity which means poorer outcomes for the whole population. 1% deaths is also not 'bs'.. it is 10x the death rate from seasonal flu. See the bigger picture.
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04/12/2020 13:20:49 1 2
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20% must be all over 70+.... You don't really know how many people actually had covid so you info is misleading.
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04/12/2020 13:14:29 0 3
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So Welsh can travel to England but can English travel to Wales?
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Lee
04/12/2020 13:34:43 2 1
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Yes you can but as Drakeford has implemented prohibition for the forseeable I'd stay where you are. It's grim, very grim in the Wales at the moment.
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04/12/2020 13:15:13 153 52
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It will go back up again once the pubs and clubs fill up for Christmas. The answer is the vaccination programme whatever the morons have to say against it.
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04/12/2020 13:23:05 66 220
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By morons you mean people who are not brainless sheep.
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04/12/2020 13:24:28 27 26
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Compulsory vaccination, or if that is politically unpalatable then a vaccination passport without which people will be prohibited from entering public places.
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37p
04/12/2020 13:40:33 21 4
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I always think that name calling is a great way to convince people of your views.
I pity those that blindly believe the propaganda. How many people has this virus, by itself, killed; hardly anyone. But you line up for your rushed vaccine like a good indoctrinated drone. Removed
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04/12/2020 13:56:16 6 11
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I won't be having this vaccine for some time if at all, no conspiracy theories just previous early adopter experience. We currently have zero knowledge of the medium/long term impacts and efficacy of this jab, which has been built using technology never before licensed as a vaccine. My research found 3 mRNA vaccines which failed to reach market due to rapid fall off in protection.
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04/12/2020 14:02:06 10 3
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At the end of the day for every person who doesn't want the vaccination one person who does want it gets it earlier so each to their own. Suspect take up will increase when people trying to book summer holidays abroad realise a lot of air companies are going to be following the lead of Qantas and not letting people fly unless they are vaccinated.
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04/12/2020 14:04:05 14 5
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Why the divisive language. People who don't agree with you are not morons. You need to realise each and every person is allowed an opinion and to make choices that are appropriate to them. How about a bit more tolerance.
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04/12/2020 15:28:10 2 1
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we have no choice the ones who can die from getting the virus. Our granddaughter who is 20 is one of us who is at great risk. I know it has not been tested with every medication people are taking, the side effects would take years to record. Each one of us must workout the risk to ourselves, no one else. We as a family will all have it to keep our granddaughter as safe as possible.
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04/12/2020 16:28:11 1 0
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What pubs and clubs? Cant see them opening in our area for about another 6 months.
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04/12/2020 16:28:49 1 0
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They can only fill up in Cornwall and IOW.
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IAN
04/12/2020 17:26:02 0 2
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A moron is someone with a different opinion to you
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04/12/2020 18:23:25 0 0
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It's not pubs that are the problem, it's the schools/college/Uni's
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04/12/2020 13:14:42 59 21
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You forgot about the idiots at Christmas break.
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04/12/2020 13:21:32 9 15
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The idiots who want to act like free citizens in a democracy you mean?
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04/12/2020 13:38:46 13 3
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Yes, those idiots.
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04/12/2020 17:02:05 1 0
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What makes you think they are idiots? I can only suggest that you take a good look at yourself before making such imbecilic comments.
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04/12/2020 17:23:38 0 0
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With freedom comes responsibility. You are free to shout FIRE in a crowded cinema, however it’s not a responsible thing to do.

You are free to resume the vaccine however it’s not a responsible thing to do to the rest of society.

If you want to exercise your freedom then a responsible society has the right to move on without you.
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Sam
04/12/2020 13:15:08 250 43
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I think if you want to make international comparisons it is worth looking at UK performance since the low in the Summer. In this second wave, it looks like the Government have been on top of things better than most in Europe and in England in particular have squashed the second wave pretty well.
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kev
04/12/2020 13:21:58 119 206
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They triggered the second wave. with their decision to send 1.2 million student all over the country for 4 hours a week face to face tuition. Does their £9k go to pay the sage scientists who are nearly all connected to universities
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04/12/2020 13:37:47 26 9
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A second wave was expected. That’s what happens with theses types of viruses. Any extra cases over what were expected when universities reopened can be put down to selfish, idiotic and non compliant behaviour by some (not all) students.
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04/12/2020 13:44:27 24 10
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No one forced the students to go. They were told all the rules on masks and distancing etc but chose to ignore them but of course that was Boris’ fault not theirs. When they had to lockdown the infections reduced. These kids are supposed to be the country’s future!
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04/12/2020 13:52:57 7 6
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Spot on Pal in fact most students are simple sat in halls on Zoom which they could have dine from home anyway
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04/12/2020 14:02:43 21 0
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I would be very disappointed if our scientists didn't have strong links to universities. Wouldn't you?
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04/12/2020 14:05:18 14 8
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So, you don't like students....

What about the ex-students who designed the tech you are using to access the internet, and indeed the ex-students who developed the Internet
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04/12/2020 14:29:14 3 1
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Analysis of the raw data available on population mobility (Google) and PCR positive 'cases' and deaths in England (data from PHE, the NHS and ONS) does not show any uptick correlations as a result of some of the large scale protests, nor students returning to Universities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m121hAiREvc
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04/12/2020 15:02:25 3 1
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It's simply not the case that the second wave was triggered by students or that students represented the majority of second wave cases. A dive into the students stats is here https://wonkhe.com/blogs/campus-covid-cases-corrected/
You need to look elsewhere. I'd personally start with all the eating out in August ....
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04/12/2020 15:04:59 5 0
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"Does their £9k go to pay the sage scientists who are nearly all connected to universities"

In the torrent of stupidity and meanness that characterises the average HYS, that is the both dumbest and snidest comment I can recall.
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04/12/2020 15:10:38 0 3
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Yes and the worrying thing is, with the virus now apparently in decline, they are going to send all those university students travelling again, this time back home at end of term. If the R number suddenly rises steeply again, we know where the blame lies
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04/12/2020 15:59:22 3 1
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Given that students spend most of their time on campus and, in this area at least, they're the ones seen to be wearing masks, etc. (unlike the locals) why do you think the students are to blame for infection rates rising generally.
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04/12/2020 16:12:39 5 0
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The increase in infection rates began several weeks before students went to university & schools reopened.
People ignoring the rules, going on holiday & generally being self entitled idiots is what kicked off the increase.
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04/12/2020 16:33:35 0 0
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So what triggered the second phase in the rest of Europe then?
04/12/2020 22:19:20 0 0
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It’s a fair question. However everyone wants to follow the science. Seems science may be biased too...
05/12/2020 07:47:45 0 0
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The student population and their party, party attitudes have definitely contributed to the situation we are in again.
The current format of this forum, defaulting to “Highest Rated”, distorts the general opinion. It accentuates a few single points (mob rule!), relegates less popular ideas, works against new ideas and suppresses plurality of viewpoints.

The “Highest Rated” should be dropped, or at least become non-default, and I’m going to spam the Beeb until they get it right, and hope everyone else will too.
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04/12/2020 13:22:17 4 7
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Oh shut up!
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04/12/2020 13:24:10 3 0
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Ooooh censorship.

Truth hurts doesn't it.
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04/12/2020 13:22:18 46 15
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"The level of infections appears to have stopped decreasing in Wales recently." Very amusing way to say they are going up quite rapidly in a lot of areas. The Welsh Government got it badly wrong. And now they have been kind enough to allow travel into England but only Tier 1 and 2. Perhaps we should shut the border from the English side since our infection rate is much lower!
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04/12/2020 13:33:04 43 4
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1 in 105 in England is higher than 1 in 170 in Wales
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04/12/2020 13:42:49 4 2
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I've given up trying to understand the shambles in Wales. The contradictions we're now seeing are frankly giving me a headache.
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04/12/2020 17:37:21 1 0
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1 out of 10 for geography. Do you know about the border between Wales and England. It’s long with hundreds if not thousands of crossing places.
You might as well stand on a beach and try to hold back the tide.
04/12/2020 18:59:02 0 0
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You haven't read the article, have you?
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04/12/2020 13:17:11 6 10
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Clearly the colonies are still suffering from high rates of plague, whilst the mother country is enjoying a fall. Obviously these peripheral areas of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales need to be immediately isolated with along term view of giving them independence and creating controlled borders.
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04/12/2020 13:26:18 6 7
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Yes, please. Anything to get us poor folk away from English Tory misrule and corruption.
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04/12/2020 13:30:35 1 0
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I think you've misunderstood the numbers! We are second worst per 100,000 just after Scotland. Our number fell during the second lockdown but that is over now.
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04/12/2020 13:31:07 1 0
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But the rates shown clearly say that rates are lower outside England.
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04/12/2020 13:31:23 1 0
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Strange comment - the rate in England is currently higher than the rates in the 'colonies'!. But the rates everywhere are too high - so lets not compare rates across the four nations!
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04/12/2020 13:17:40 7 20
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Don't worry, house arrest and curfews in the New Year. This charade will NEVER end.
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04/12/2020 13:15:46 38 90
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I keep my mask on at home and in the car too. And I wash my hands 26 times a day.
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kev
04/12/2020 13:22:38 12 16
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Well done, I'll stand on the doorstep and clap you
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04/12/2020 13:15:13 153 52
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It will go back up again once the pubs and clubs fill up for Christmas. The answer is the vaccination programme whatever the morons have to say against it.
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04/12/2020 13:23:05 66 220
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By morons you mean people who are not brainless sheep.
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Kev
04/12/2020 13:27:44 62 12
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by "not brainless sheep" do you mean the people just repeating back everything David Icke says
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04/12/2020 13:31:11 19 21
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better a sheep than a lemming.
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04/12/2020 13:31:39 59 9
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By 'brainless sheep' do you mean people who understand immunology and have a GCSE-level grasp of scientific concepts?
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04/12/2020 13:32:40 41 8
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Some people have valid reasons for not wanting to be vaccinated. Sadly many others have fallen victim to crazy conspiracy theorists.
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04/12/2020 13:39:38 26 7
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Ooooh look everyone. A keeper of the flame of secret knowledge. We all bow to your superior insight.
??
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04/12/2020 13:43:39 25 4
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In 1968, thousands of people were scared to buy a new fangled colour tv,because they thought they would burst into flames.
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04/12/2020 13:45:35 11 35
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They are either government stooges, or believe the constant hysterical nonsense peddled by the media at the behest of those in power for now. I truly despair at the lack of any critical thinking ability in large swathes of the populous.
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04/12/2020 14:07:54 2 0
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A good idea is a good idea forever Paul
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04/12/2020 14:08:12 3 0
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Paul, can I ask you something?
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04/12/2020 14:10:52 12 5
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No he means morons who believe Facebook conspiracy theories rather than science. They are the brainless sheep.
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04/12/2020 16:12:32 5 0
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Stop taking the stupid pills.
No he was 100% correct all anti vaxxers are morons but the more of them who refuse the vaccine, the stronger the gene pool will be. Removed
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04/12/2020 16:42:00 5 1
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No he means morons who don’t care for anyone else
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04/12/2020 16:48:06 2 1
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No, he means the anti mask, anti vaccine, anti lockdown, go to illegal parties, call everyone else brainless sheep morons.
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No morons are morons - doing your own thing is anarchy - bet they believe in common rules when they hold their hands out for state aid every week etc Removed
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04/12/2020 18:55:17 0 1
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Like me who will not have this vaccine in any circumstances???
04/12/2020 19:40:34 1 0
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Brainless will be people who choose not to have a life saving vaccine!
04/12/2020 20:12:30 0 2
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your banging your head on a flock of sheep m8 .. lol.. it's people like that who are the real virus lol
04/12/2020 22:24:04 1 0
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Brainless sheep eh?

Cholera
Diphtheria
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Human papillomavirus
Influenza
Measles
Meningococcal
Mumps
Pertussis (Whooping cough)
Pneumonia
Polio
Rotavirus (gastroenteritis)
Rubella (German measles)
Q fever
Rabies
Tetanus
Tuberculosis
Typhoid
Chickenpox (varicella)

Thank you modern medicine.
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04/12/2020 13:23:20 37 5
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A good trend but no time for complacency.
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04/12/2020 13:15:46 38 90
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I keep my mask on at home and in the car too. And I wash my hands 26 times a day.
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04/12/2020 13:23:42 13 4
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Agreed .... I also stay two meters apart from those in my household ..... not even a snifflle for me so far this winter...
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04/12/2020 13:25:15 17 7
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I prefer 3 metres distance at home and 5 metres when out. Have not hugged granny for well in excess of 18 months.
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04/12/2020 13:29:30 14 3
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Is that both the gas and electricity meters? My water meter is at the top of the front garden, approximately 7 metres away.
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04/12/2020 15:41:05 1 0
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Hope you don't even get so much as a cold!
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04/12/2020 17:39:20 0 0
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Bet your wife is pleased with that one
The current format of this forum, defaulting to “Highest Rated”, distorts the general opinion. It accentuates a few single points (mob rule!), relegates less popular ideas, works against new ideas and suppresses plurality of viewpoints.

The “Highest Rated” should be dropped, or at least become non-default, and I’m going to spam the Beeb until they get it right, and hope everyone else will too.
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04/12/2020 13:23:43 1 2
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Absolutely
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04/12/2020 13:22:17 4 7
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Oh shut up!
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04/12/2020 13:24:10 3 0
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Ooooh censorship.

Truth hurts doesn't it.
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04/12/2020 13:24:20 2 15
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Assuming that England's population is around 55m that means this story is saying over 500K of the population currently have the virus that equates to roughly 50K per day over a ten day period. Yesterday's daily figure for the whole of the UK was 15K so how does this story arrive at a rate of about four times the official rate? Lies, damned lies and statistics?
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04/12/2020 13:28:01 6 0
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You are comparing different things. Yesterday’s figure was new infections in the last 24 hours. The ONS survey is number of people with the disease per 100,000
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04/12/2020 13:30:03 2 0
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Testing shortage, testing avoidance and asymptomatic case account for the difference. This has always been the case that testing only covers a proportion. The ONS sample system is more reliable. So no damned lies just maths and intelligence...
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04/12/2020 13:30:36 1 0
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The ONS survey tests a sample of the population, regardless of whether they would otherwise have sought a test, then calculates the prevalence in the whole population. The daily figures are only for those who have a test, so will exclude most asymptomatic cases.
86
04/12/2020 13:30:55 0 0
bbc
Because asymptomatic people tend not to get tested whilst other studies test random groups of people and they extrapolate the numbers. Just the same way as election exit polls work and so soon after the end of voting they can give a quite accurate forecast of the result.
105
04/12/2020 13:34:10 0 0
bbc
The ONS tests people at random, regardless of whether they have symptoms. The daily figures are people who've chosen to have a test, which will generally not be people who are infected but asymptomatic. Different things.
107
04/12/2020 13:34:27 0 0
bbc
1. its just over 3 times the reported rate.
2. Reported numbers are often significantly lower than the real numbers estimated from swab tests of thousands of people in UK households whether they have symptoms or not.
3. The key point is people aren't just positive on the day they are tested, people from the previous week can still be infectious etc. this is the number of active infections.
112
04/12/2020 13:27:10 1 4
bbc
Don't bring facts into this - The BBC doesn't do facts...
125
04/12/2020 13:36:31 1 0
bbc
The official count is based on those actually tested and proving positive. The estimated figure, a much higher figure, is derived from testing a sample of people, then extrapolating the results across the country. The estimated figure has recently been as high as 60K per day, so your estimate of 50K isn't too far different.

That the trend is downwards is good news.
127
04/12/2020 13:29:53 0 0
bbc
Because the 15k figure is from actual tests. If you don't get tested then you won't count, but might still have Covid with no or minimal symptoms.
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kev
04/12/2020 13:19:59 11 33
bbc
He'll just hope no one mentions it. Just like the so called scientists and government hope that no one mentions that they actually triggered the second wave of death by sending 1.2 million students careering across the country for their £9k to pay the scientists wages. They are crucifying the hospitality sector to deflect the attention
60
04/12/2020 13:24:35 24 13
bbc
Nobody sent anyone anywhere. You go to university if you want to, it's not transportation to a concentration camp.
12
04/12/2020 13:09:46 11 10
bbc
Terry from Facebook and the other "Lockdowns don't work" (or maybe a better term would be a package of slightly restrictive measures) brigade are going to go nuts when they see this.........
61
04/12/2020 13:24:56 0 0
bbc
I am not going nuts, and really pleased it is going down. If only name calling could be stopped {Terry from facebook} sadly if you have another opinion to someone else, put downs are the only option to feel your right. Please keep an open mind
349
04/12/2020 14:35:52 0 0
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Unfortunately the value of opinions isn't equal particularly when their opinions are demonstrably false and those same nutjobs are endangering others with their own selfish actions.
16
04/12/2020 13:11:52 100 29
bbc
This is good news but there are still far too many people being infected and far too many dying each day. I hope people act responsibly over Christmas and that we don't get another spike the same way as happened post Thanksgiving in the US
62
04/12/2020 13:24:57 25 59
bbc
.... infection doesn't equal Ilhealth ...
177
04/12/2020 13:47:32 13 7
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it equals spreading the virus. Not just about one individual.
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04/12/2020 13:08:43 52 39
bbc
Of course infection rates in England are falling, we have only just completed a 4 week lockdown. How will the Government possibly justify keeping 99% of us under the current draconian totalitarian restirctions after the next review in a week or so time? Let' see how they are going to move the goalposts this time!
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Vid
04/12/2020 13:25:15 7 8
bbc
So let me see if I understand you correctly. The Government want to close 60% of businesses, making a large number of people unemployed and therefore costing the Government 100's of millions in Unemployment benefit? Weird world you live in
163
04/12/2020 13:43:41 5 1
bbc
You do realise that the government is not a single entity and the actions are mostly driven by personal ambitions, corporate interests (via lobbying and stooges) and then small amount of actual public interest?
497
04/12/2020 15:28:45 3 5
bbc
Given that the Government have clearly not undertaken any detailed benefits analysis before making these massive decisons, yes, I do think they want to close 60% of businesses and make large numbers of people unemployed
56
04/12/2020 13:23:42 13 4
bbc
Agreed .... I also stay two meters apart from those in my household ..... not even a snifflle for me so far this winter...
64
04/12/2020 13:25:15 17 7
bbc
I prefer 3 metres distance at home and 5 metres when out. Have not hugged granny for well in excess of 18 months.
542
04/12/2020 15:41:34 0 0
bbc
Coming next Summer: 'hug a granny' week!
65
04/12/2020 13:25:17 4 3
bbc
I'll be glad when us in the Midlands can drop down a Tier.
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Sam
04/12/2020 13:15:08 250 43
bbc
I think if you want to make international comparisons it is worth looking at UK performance since the low in the Summer. In this second wave, it looks like the Government have been on top of things better than most in Europe and in England in particular have squashed the second wave pretty well.
66
04/12/2020 13:25:35 17 12
bbc
I think the point has been missed. The second wave was obviously coming as numbers increased as the relaxation in restrictions went too far too soon. It should have been planned for and action taken before it got too high. The benefit of the first lock down was wasted and we now have the highest number of deaths in Europe. We are now going to waste the the benefits of the second lock down.
165
04/12/2020 13:43:56 8 26
bbc
They didn't miss the point, it is the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine in action trying to brainwash public opinion!
726
04/12/2020 16:41:25 0 0
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We do not have the highest number of deaths per capita, and that is the only true comparative method. Belgium, Spain and Italy are worse and France is only just behind. We test at the 4th highest rate in the world of countries greater than 5million population. We are the first western country to approve a vaccine. I don't say the government are doing a wonderful job but by no means disasterous.
32
04/12/2020 13:18:00 5 11
bbc
you did not vote for the experts involved and they have been infallible, the government have failed to do their job correctly not the experts who advised them. when the gov choose to ignore based on evidence presented to them then do not tarnish all with the same brush. you may have had enough of experts, i've had enough of that tone. experts drive everything forward, not backward like politicians
67
04/12/2020 13:26:08 2 1
bbc
Are these the same 'experts' who got their predictions so disastrously wrong and continue to do so? Are these the same 'experts' who advised against closing the borders at the start of the pandemic? The biggest mistake this government has made is listening to them!
51
04/12/2020 13:17:11 6 10
bbc
Clearly the colonies are still suffering from high rates of plague, whilst the mother country is enjoying a fall. Obviously these peripheral areas of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales need to be immediately isolated with along term view of giving them independence and creating controlled borders.
68
04/12/2020 13:26:18 6 7
bbc
Yes, please. Anything to get us poor folk away from English Tory misrule and corruption.
They will manipulate the figures to fit their agenda Removed
69
04/12/2020 13:26:34 19 9
bbc
I believe certain scientists and health professionals definitely do have an agenda and will want to keep some of these restrictions in place for years.
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MVP
04/12/2020 13:06:13 8 22
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This shows what could have been achieved if the government had acted more quickly and more decisively.

Sadly, the dithering and flip flopping has resulted in the UK having the highest number of causalities in Europe.
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Vid
04/12/2020 13:26:37 0 0
bbc
Worth noting that Italy is not that far behind us in the Death rate....
32
04/12/2020 13:18:00 5 11
bbc
you did not vote for the experts involved and they have been infallible, the government have failed to do their job correctly not the experts who advised them. when the gov choose to ignore based on evidence presented to them then do not tarnish all with the same brush. you may have had enough of experts, i've had enough of that tone. experts drive everything forward, not backward like politicians
71
04/12/2020 13:26:41 1 1
bbc
" the experts involved and they have been infallible"

What, like producing data based on flawed models and predicting impossible outcomes that have never happened anywhere?

I hope I am never so infallible
18
04/12/2020 13:12:38 190 19
bbc
After 4 weeks of "lockdown", one would jolly well hope they are falling - and to an extent which justifies the economic damage.
72
04/12/2020 13:26:55 95 123
bbc
The R rate was already falling before the lockdown, so no surprise. Lockdowns are only any use if your health care system is in serious trouble. 10/12 hospitals being at capacity is no where near justification.
253
04/12/2020 14:02:59 25 6
bbc
Have you no foresight at all? If we waited until our Hospitals were filling up and in serious trouble until imposing a lockdown, it would have been waaaaaaaaaaay too late.

And folk like you would have been all over this HYS and others claiming outrage at it being done so slowly.
256
04/12/2020 14:03:39 22 2
bbc
Its called the exponential curve. If the cases are doubling every week, it will take you about 2 months to get to about 50% full, but then, you are only one further week away from Armageddon. The R rate does not take the cases already in the system, and need for hospitalisation days and weeks later, into account. Hospitalisation and deaths can increase even if the R rate is 0
321
04/12/2020 14:26:09 7 18
bbc
Very true, lockdowns and tiers not proportionate to what's been going on, hospitals nowhere near overwhelmed, but many people don't like hearing the truth, including the government.
536
04/12/2020 15:40:13 15 2
bbc
Well it is if my local hospital is at capacity and I break my leg, or my wife finds a lump.... Some people might not think it is a problem that the virus is most deadly in the over 80's, but when they can't get to see a doctor because the wards are full of Covid patients they might change their minds.
Removed
703
04/12/2020 16:21:39 6 3
bbc
That's a demonstrable lie.
The infection rate continued to increase (as expected) until late November.

That's an undisputable fact.

10 out of every 12 hospitals being at capacity IS a crisis to anyone without an axe to grind & an ounce of common sense.
829
04/12/2020 17:02:57 4 1
bbc
Would you like all hospitals at capacity so they have to turn patients away, to die in their homes
PAR
05/12/2020 09:34:59 0 0
bbc
What nonsense. Either you didn’t check your comment before posting or you are one of those uninformed groaners who have to moan about....just about everything. Read up on some facts please.
2
04/12/2020 13:05:23 283 40
bbc
No strategy or policies will ever lead to 100% compliance or success. However we should be grateful there is clearly enough happening to improve the infection outlook for now, instead of pursuing a divisive blame game of who/what’s been making this worse, when the blame game itself is making society as a whole worse.
73
04/12/2020 13:27:13 164 299
bbc
Hmm...

Countries like Germany, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand have handled the crisis far more efficiently than we have.

If we do as you suggest (for party political Tory advantage!) and don't analyse what went wrong in the UK, we will be doomed to make the same mistakes should we have to deal with another virus outbreak.
152
04/12/2020 13:41:57 112 8
bbc
Still not sure why NZ gets trotted out for statistics. 4.4m people in 103,000 square miles. UK is 69m in 94,000 sq'm. Hell of a difference.
172
04/12/2020 13:45:29 90 36
bbc
Other countries keep their mistakes to themselves and don't broadcast it to the world. I can't see the Germans or others admitting to that.
Stop bashing the government (Tories), a Labour government wouldn't do any better!
188
04/12/2020 13:50:09 53 4
bbc
The BBC gives a very distorted impression of how other countries are doing - especially South Korea. For example, they keep on reopening pubs and lifting social distancing and promptly having to reinstate them because cases go up, over and over. The BBC only covered the part where they reopened them and made it sound like their test and trace was so effective they could get away with it. Not true.
192
04/12/2020 13:50:27 58 7
bbc
Facts:
1) New Zealand has got half the population of London
2) London alone has got nearly half the population of Australia
3) In South Korea lockdown means curfew and the government being able to track you is compulsory
4) Germany had a flare up in just one region and were able to contain. UK had flare ups across the board, difficult to contain
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Ray
04/12/2020 13:48:54 8 3
bbc
Really?
200
04/12/2020 13:52:12 42 1
bbc
NZ is a complete irrelevance and incomparable for reasons pointed out by sane people countless times over the last 9 months.

Germany currently has 20% higher new daily cases than the UK, and daily deaths there are increasing, whereas they are decreasing here. In this 'winter wave' of cases, the UK is doing just as well/badly (depending how you look at it) as German is.
228
04/12/2020 13:58:01 22 0
bbc
You do need to stop comparing UK and NZ. London Transport in a normal day move as many people as the entire population if NZ. Compare us with France, Italy, Spain and Germany by all means but NZ. This just diminishes the power of your argument.
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BBJ
04/12/2020 13:59:25 11 5
bbc
Maybe those countries have less idiots than the UK so more people abide by the rules.
295
04/12/2020 14:13:05 18 1
bbc
Germany’s second wave compared to its first wave.....

Is worse

Than U.K. s second wave compared to its first wave.

Look at the charts on world o meter.

This proves if you like, that U.K. has learned better from it’s first wave than Germany has.

Or maybe as the German health minister said at the start....there’s nothing different that the U.K. are doing from us, Germany was just lucky.
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xxx
04/12/2020 14:21:59 11 2
bbc
All the countries who have done better have a more sparse population or follow the rules. In Germany they had a protest march against covid rules and they cleared the streets with water cannon. Here the police apologised for the distress caused trying to make a customer leave a Sainsbury’s store for not wearing a mask. Their mistake was telling him he needed to show an exemption card.
315
04/12/2020 14:24:53 17 3
bbc
What garbage. The Germans calculate the figures differently, the Koreans do what they are told and NZ is a country the same size as Britain but with about 8% of the population and the traffic in and out of teh country is about 1% of ours.

You may wish to blame the Gvt but I see you dont offer any alternative strategy. Look closer to home for the blame.
318
04/12/2020 14:25:49 13 2
bbc
The time to review is when the facts are known. You have been selective in your comparisons, how about our near neighbours; Belgium, France, Spain, Italy? More relevant than S Korea, AU's & NZ.
339
04/12/2020 14:32:30 8 1
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Comparison with New Zealand and Australia serve little purpose. They are completely different countries to the UK particularly with regard to the conditions that favour the spread of Covid 19. Germany is not without problems and South Korea were ahead of the game because of previous experience with SARS and a tracing regime, not specific to Covid, which would not be accepted widely in the UK.
356
04/12/2020 14:37:38 5 5
bbc
Strewth, unreal for this has net negative votes, as if nutters value some political point scoring over saving lives, truly odd.
401
04/12/2020 14:52:13 10 1
bbc
Germany & South Korea are both nations where the general public are more inclined to follow government advice and 'conform'

Australia & New Zealand have very different geography & population density to the uk

For comparison, you need to look at Spain, Italy & France...

Personally I think the arrogance of so much of the UK population that doesn't help.
455
04/12/2020 15:13:20 8 1
bbc
New Zealand (4.5m living in 0.103m sq miles) and Australia (25m in 2.97m sq miles) are less densely populated than UK (66m in 0.094 m sq miles), both are sea locked hundreds of miles from their nearest neighbours unlike us. South Korea maybe smaller in area with a large population but their culture is more responsive to authority unlike ours and Germany has a higher infection rate now than UK.
465
04/12/2020 15:18:15 4 0
bbc
Germany is currently reporting more daily deaths in its second wave than it was in the first wave.
492
04/12/2020 15:27:55 7 3
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Their citizens were and are responsible people, whereas your average Brit' is a know-all who will not believe there isn't a side issue to instructions for safety.
Keep social distance - have a BLM protest.
Avoid contact with others - have a rave
Isolate wherever possible - go to the seaside.

The govt' handled it okay, our problem was the people didn't!
505
04/12/2020 15:30:27 3 0
bbc
God sake give it a rest. Can't always be first!
522
04/12/2020 15:35:45 1 1
bbc
If you mean NZ, an island at the end of the world with little or no transit traffic and which has a population 1/7th of the England’s, then you obviously like bending irrelevant figures to your argument, rendering the analogy worthless.

As for the other figures, we have yet to see who fared well when it comes to the final reckoning.
569
04/12/2020 15:48:47 4 1
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Your chosen name suggests you have some god, given power to see the future. Suggest you offer your services to the government as you clearly could predict what they should do better.

The one thing I have learnt this year is we are a nation of professional moaners who think they can do better than experts.

The problem is like you experts are human and have been on a steep learning curve.
582
04/12/2020 15:46:52 4 2
bbc
That will be Germany where they use a far narrower definition for death caused by the virus.
Their testing is also far less than in the UK (347k/million compared to the UK's 653k/million),so no wonder their recorded infection rate is lower.

It wouldn't surprise me if Germany's numbers were pretty much the same as the UK if both used the same parameters & had the same test rates.
23
04/12/2020 13:13:46 9 7
bbc
Time for tier 1 then!
74
04/12/2020 13:18:58 7 3
bbc
Far too early.
28
04/12/2020 13:15:15 179 43
bbc
It's on the rise again in Wales after a paltry 2 week 'firebreak'.
I wonder if, in hindsight, Kier Starmer regrets pushing the UK government to follow Wales' flawed strategy. Or will he rewrite that bit of history.
75
04/12/2020 13:19:04 5 4
bbc
Lets hope that Labour fence stays up.
54
04/12/2020 13:23:05 66 220
bbc
By morons you mean people who are not brainless sheep.
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Kev
04/12/2020 13:27:44 62 12
bbc
by "not brainless sheep" do you mean the people just repeating back everything David Icke says
10
04/12/2020 13:09:00 12 10
bbc
Herd immunity has nothing to do with the latest reduction in transmission.
77
04/12/2020 13:27:51 4 3
bbc
Yeah, how do you think so many people survive the flu each year. Why don't you study some history of Americas in the 1490 it might help you understand.
78
04/12/2020 13:27:58 427 37
bbc
I have a dream.

One day people will see good news for what it is, and not try to downplay it, or belittle those who see it for what it is because it doesn't match their own narrow (negative) view, opinions and limited understanding.

But that would assume common sense and if anything the last 9 months has shown us, that is in very short supply here in the UK.
260
04/12/2020 14:04:25 107 18
bbc
well said
376
04/12/2020 14:44:49 18 33
bbc
You have described the vast majority of remoaners to an absolute tee !!! ??
385
04/12/2020 14:47:01 8 3
bbc
Confirmation bias is what it is I'm afraid.
612
04/12/2020 16:02:02 4 2
bbc
Dry yer eyes !
614
04/12/2020 16:03:49 10 17
bbc
What a sporadic drivel. I assume, you assume, the EU was good news. It truly isn't and wasn't. The damage being done to their economy is immense as is that to ours but 'we' get to fix our economy whilst for example - no nation in the EU can.

Do you consider this that to be good or bad, and is it news.

What will happen is that Europe will rebuild Germany. France will Frexit. Then Poland - Polexit
628
04/12/2020 16:10:23 3 2
bbc
Did you hear the one about the optimist who ran out of toilet paper?
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Ian
04/12/2020 16:30:27 17 1
bbc
Worth quoting
George Carlin: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
752
04/12/2020 16:50:06 0 2
bbc
Bell Shiner.
782
04/12/2020 16:57:59 3 0
bbc
Why is it every topic here gravitates to people arguing about Brexit?
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Stu
04/12/2020 17:05:02 4 2
bbc
The news media always seems to look for the weakness or negative in a piece of good news, trying to focus on anything at all controversial - it's a shame that happen so much.
852
04/12/2020 17:20:15 1 0
bbc
4.5 years. Not just 9 months.
969
04/12/2020 18:08:55 1 0
bbc
I have a dream
That a balanced view is taken of everything.
Few things are all good or all bad.
Eager and wishful reaction to R Numbers or new vaccines may lead to premature belief that all caution can now be abandoned.
Feel hopeful but, as even Boris said, it's not over yet.
04/12/2020 19:05:53 0 1
bbc
I have a dream one day people will rebel against having their fundamental human rights abused.
04/12/2020 19:34:56 1 0
bbc
R may be dropping, possibly now is less than 1 but that is not all that is required.

The number of people infected is high, so the likelihood of catching it still is high. Who knows, it may go back up again once people relax, wrongly thinking they now are out of danger.

Sensible people realise that. Are you going to be sensible, still take all the precautions you can?
04/12/2020 19:40:50 0 0
bbc
Even when you have had the vaccine, make no mistake, there still is a risk at least for a couple of months.

And, without a follow up test, who knows, perhaps it has not worked for you.

On your deathbed, would you be consoled that you are only one of the 5 - 10% where that is expected to happen?

Wgar sgocks me is how complacent about the virus a lot of people are. Do not be one of them.
Gaz
04/12/2020 20:11:37 1 1
bbc
They include that in the BBC psychometric tests used during selection. If you use common sense and are positive you aren't hired.
05/12/2020 07:45:36 1 0
bbc
Absolutely right!
05/12/2020 07:57:10 1 0
bbc
Dream on, we have too much mis information.
Tiz called propaganda
05/12/2020 11:25:05 1 0
bbc
Staying and working from home with my budgie (Gary) - thats why I ain't caught COVID - simple.
59
04/12/2020 13:24:20 2 15
bbc
Assuming that England's population is around 55m that means this story is saying over 500K of the population currently have the virus that equates to roughly 50K per day over a ten day period. Yesterday's daily figure for the whole of the UK was 15K so how does this story arrive at a rate of about four times the official rate? Lies, damned lies and statistics?
79
04/12/2020 13:28:01 6 0
bbc
You are comparing different things. Yesterday’s figure was new infections in the last 24 hours. The ONS survey is number of people with the disease per 100,000
18
04/12/2020 13:12:38 190 19
bbc
After 4 weeks of "lockdown", one would jolly well hope they are falling - and to an extent which justifies the economic damage.
80
04/12/2020 13:28:19 11 15
bbc
Well they are and it does!
4
04/12/2020 13:05:52 50 13
bbc
Excellent news... think I'll nip the pub for a celebration pint... oh hang on... still in lockdown.
81
04/12/2020 13:29:37 34 93
bbc
Come and join me tonight if you like. My local hasn't put in place any of the stupid rules except a plastic screen at the bar. I'll be there after work for a pint and a substantial meal of beer.
130
04/12/2020 13:37:21 6 2
bbc
..a substantial meal of beer....like that :)
337
04/12/2020 14:31:03 2 0
bbc
A substantial meal of beer sounds good, for dessert you could have shots!! ??
853
04/12/2020 17:20:24 2 0
bbc
Great idea. Mines a Scotch Egg
59
04/12/2020 13:24:20 2 15
bbc
Assuming that England's population is around 55m that means this story is saying over 500K of the population currently have the virus that equates to roughly 50K per day over a ten day period. Yesterday's daily figure for the whole of the UK was 15K so how does this story arrive at a rate of about four times the official rate? Lies, damned lies and statistics?
82
04/12/2020 13:30:03 2 0
bbc
Testing shortage, testing avoidance and asymptomatic case account for the difference. This has always been the case that testing only covers a proportion. The ONS sample system is more reliable. So no damned lies just maths and intelligence...
83
04/12/2020 13:30:03 6 14
bbc
I speak - the rest of you listen.

Keep your guard up - masks, clean hands, space - and await the vaccine and better treatments in the future. Forget the poor analogies to date - mine is best. You've just completed the 12th of 15 rounds with Marciano and you're ahead on points. Keep your guard up and get to the end safely - no time for errors.

My way is right - anyone who disagrees is an idiot
129
04/12/2020 13:37:14 3 0
bbc
Oh yes, that famous technique to get people to follow your advice, call them an idiot. Works every time.
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37p
04/12/2020 13:37:47 1 0
bbc
Did someone say something?
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04/12/2020 13:17:11 6 10
bbc
Clearly the colonies are still suffering from high rates of plague, whilst the mother country is enjoying a fall. Obviously these peripheral areas of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales need to be immediately isolated with along term view of giving them independence and creating controlled borders.
84
04/12/2020 13:30:35 1 0
bbc
I think you've misunderstood the numbers! We are second worst per 100,000 just after Scotland. Our number fell during the second lockdown but that is over now.
176
04/12/2020 13:46:23 0 0
bbc
Correction, a think Scotland was worse for a short period but now England is back 'on top'. This is after the second lockdown!
59
04/12/2020 13:24:20 2 15
bbc
Assuming that England's population is around 55m that means this story is saying over 500K of the population currently have the virus that equates to roughly 50K per day over a ten day period. Yesterday's daily figure for the whole of the UK was 15K so how does this story arrive at a rate of about four times the official rate? Lies, damned lies and statistics?
85
04/12/2020 13:30:36 1 0
bbc
The ONS survey tests a sample of the population, regardless of whether they would otherwise have sought a test, then calculates the prevalence in the whole population. The daily figures are only for those who have a test, so will exclude most asymptomatic cases.
59
04/12/2020 13:24:20 2 15
bbc
Assuming that England's population is around 55m that means this story is saying over 500K of the population currently have the virus that equates to roughly 50K per day over a ten day period. Yesterday's daily figure for the whole of the UK was 15K so how does this story arrive at a rate of about four times the official rate? Lies, damned lies and statistics?
86
04/12/2020 13:30:55 0 0
bbc
Because asymptomatic people tend not to get tested whilst other studies test random groups of people and they extrapolate the numbers. Just the same way as election exit polls work and so soon after the end of voting they can give a quite accurate forecast of the result.
87
04/12/2020 13:30:55 63 6
bbc
No surprise that numbers go down when everyone is locked down and everywhere is shut. It's what happens afterwards that matters.
799
04/12/2020 16:50:58 5 4
bbc
The latest lockdown has been a joke, most major shops open roads full of traffic it’s not surprising that the rates continue to rise in the south east. Example rates in Woking higher than Manchester and Nottingham.
803
04/12/2020 17:02:58 1 2
bbc
Oh so true..... cue Xmas idiots racing round visiting 20 rellies in a day ....
51
04/12/2020 13:17:11 6 10
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Clearly the colonies are still suffering from high rates of plague, whilst the mother country is enjoying a fall. Obviously these peripheral areas of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales need to be immediately isolated with along term view of giving them independence and creating controlled borders.
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04/12/2020 13:31:07 1 0
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But the rates shown clearly say that rates are lower outside England.
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04/12/2020 13:23:05 66 220
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By morons you mean people who are not brainless sheep.
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04/12/2020 13:31:11 19 21
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better a sheep than a lemming.
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04/12/2020 13:17:11 6 10
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Clearly the colonies are still suffering from high rates of plague, whilst the mother country is enjoying a fall. Obviously these peripheral areas of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales need to be immediately isolated with along term view of giving them independence and creating controlled borders.
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04/12/2020 13:31:23 1 0
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Strange comment - the rate in England is currently higher than the rates in the 'colonies'!. But the rates everywhere are too high - so lets not compare rates across the four nations!
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04/12/2020 13:42:24 0 1
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Not according to the article above - to wit:
“ The ONS estimates the number of people infected is equivalent to:
1 in 190 in Northern Ireland
1 in 170 in Wales
1 in 130 in Scotland
1 in 105 in England”
And obviously the 105 is proof that it is all the non-English here exacerbation the problem.
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04/12/2020 13:31:25 5 7
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The figures are meaningless 'based on swab tests of thousands of people in UK households' - how are the thousands chosen, who carries out the test and how can such a small sample be deemed to be representative. If I ask 10 people if they know someone left handed and 5 say yes do I deduct that 50% of the population are left handed.
Treat the figures with caution
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04/12/2020 13:35:38 7 0
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Selected samples are usually stratified, with a certain proportion of each age, from each region, etc., to match the whole population
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04/12/2020 13:37:54 3 0
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There's a field called statistics which deals with these issues!
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04/12/2020 13:44:34 1 1
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I think 15 - 17 thousands people is a fair representation, bet you don't even click on the link in the article and look at the data.
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04/12/2020 13:23:05 66 220
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By morons you mean people who are not brainless sheep.
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04/12/2020 13:31:39 59 9
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By 'brainless sheep' do you mean people who understand immunology and have a GCSE-level grasp of scientific concepts?
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04/12/2020 13:31:49 1 1
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Quoting national statistics only stokes division which sadly some people seem to thrive on. It would be much more informative to quote by smaller localities with Local Authorities. It would be more informative and helpful for people trying to follow the rules and reduce the political ping pong
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04/12/2020 13:08:43 52 39
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Of course infection rates in England are falling, we have only just completed a 4 week lockdown. How will the Government possibly justify keeping 99% of us under the current draconian totalitarian restirctions after the next review in a week or so time? Let' see how they are going to move the goalposts this time!
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04/12/2020 13:31:52 3 5
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I suppose, although they probably won't, point to how Australia came out of their winter with very few new daily cases, whilst we came out of our summer with soaring levels of new cases.
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04/12/2020 13:34:24 9 3
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The only figure that matters is the percentage of those tested that are found to be ‘positive’. Conveniently that figure is extremely difficult to find. I wonder why that is??
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04/12/2020 13:15:13 153 52
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It will go back up again once the pubs and clubs fill up for Christmas. The answer is the vaccination programme whatever the morons have to say against it.
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04/12/2020 13:24:28 27 26
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Compulsory vaccination, or if that is politically unpalatable then a vaccination passport without which people will be prohibited from entering public places.
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BD
04/12/2020 15:24:37 1 0
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Which government body has suggested compulsory vaccination?
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04/12/2020 16:33:00 1 0
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Absolute total rubbish. You obviously have not been listening to the various politicians on the TV or radio, because they have clearly stated what you are describing WILL NOT HAPPEN.
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04/12/2020 13:32:14 5 10
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how many off you know of people dyeing in your area in mine ive only herd of one about three months ago how do we know if the figures are true or false why dont the goverment or the bbc tel us the areas which have a high infectin rates or death rates breakg down whch areas so that we can have te true fgure
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04/12/2020 13:33:52 6 1
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There is a breakdown, by postcode, on the government website
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04/12/2020 13:35:30 4 0
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Family members of people I know have been killed by Covid. I have no reason to believe that what is being reported is false.
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04/12/2020 13:35:55 4 0
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I know of five I can assure you it is not fake
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04/12/2020 13:36:01 0 0
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See the map of confirmed cases at: httpss://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map
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04/12/2020 13:38:07 4 0
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I know of a lot of people who have sadly died as a result of Covid.

The figures are there if you want to look for them. Even on the BBC they are easy to find, and today there are a couple of pages focussing on them.
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04/12/2020 13:20:40 5 10
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I don't put any trust in these figures which are simply estimates
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04/12/2020 13:32:34 4 2
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they are based on sampling and science with a margin of error. I suppose you could try wishful thinking, conspiracy theories and voodoo, if that suits you more.
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04/12/2020 13:23:05 66 220
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By morons you mean people who are not brainless sheep.
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04/12/2020 13:32:40 41 8
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Some people have valid reasons for not wanting to be vaccinated. Sadly many others have fallen victim to crazy conspiracy theorists.
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04/12/2020 13:22:18 46 15
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"The level of infections appears to have stopped decreasing in Wales recently." Very amusing way to say they are going up quite rapidly in a lot of areas. The Welsh Government got it badly wrong. And now they have been kind enough to allow travel into England but only Tier 1 and 2. Perhaps we should shut the border from the English side since our infection rate is much lower!
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04/12/2020 13:33:04 43 4
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1 in 105 in England is higher than 1 in 170 in Wales
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04/12/2020 14:54:09 7 4
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That's the level of 'infected'. The levels of 'infections' are rocketing in Wales. Very different statistic.
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04/12/2020 16:16:00 0 0
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Yeah... I had to read it twice to understand the double negatives there!!
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04/12/2020 16:36:49 0 0
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any body who can count will see that??
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04/12/2020 13:19:27 8 8
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Looking forward to my bat soup on Christmas Day!
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04/12/2020 13:22:12 2 2
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Will that be followed with turkey feet and chips?