Brexit: Time running out as Brexit trade talks restart
04/12/2020 | news | politics | 4,655
The UK warns chances of a breakthrough are "receding", as it negotiates with the EU over business rules.
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jon
04/12/2020 11:21:39 90 56
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It’s all part of the expected drama with Ireland stuck in the middle. Macron needs to sell a deal to a disillusioned electorate. Boris needs to retain the trust of Brexiteers’ notably in the red wall regions and avoid a sell-out on sovereignty. We can compromise on human rights but must never be tied to the EU in perpetuity.
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04/12/2020 11:29:27 129 35
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He couldn't care less about the red wall.....it's the ERG he's scared of.....as are all conservative PM's.
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04/12/2020 11:30:46 34 7
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Er Human rights is for the European Court of Human Rights (EHCR), nothing to do with the EU, in fact Churchill was involved in its instigation. Go away and look things up!!! Oh and we never lost our sovereignty anyway, the Govt said so itself in a white paper, you can look that up too!! Doh!!!
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04/12/2020 11:45:56 18 4
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Stop with the Boris BS, as though he's your mate. Johnson promised an oven ready deal, and failed to deliver. Tell me (a) what "expected drama", Ireland was one of a myriad of things, either never discussed or probably lied about by the brexit mob prior to and during the referendum vote (b) why we should compromise on human rights and in what way?? Own the BS you obviously voted for mate!!!
04/12/2020 12:13:12 11 5
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'We can compromise on human rights but must never be tied to the EU in perpetuity.'

Well I for one am not going to 'compromise on human rights'. What the hell are you talking about?
04/12/2020 12:44:00 1 5
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then just call off the negotiation and fend for yourself
04/12/2020 12:49:23 5 4
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Very good post. There are few in this discussion.
04/12/2020 18:08:59 0 0
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Do you think England should remain 23 miles from Calais or move further away from Europe?
Soo
04/12/2020 18:58:56 0 0
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'Marron needs to sell a deal to a disillusioned electorate'??? You must be... disillusioned. Or, perhaps just delusional...
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04/12/2020 11:22:17 27 26
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‘Brussels had made new demands on how competition rules and regulations should be enforced.’

The E.U. are still trying to dominate, no wonder there’s been no agreement.

Get an agreement sorted, it benefits both sides.
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04/12/2020 11:25:45 25 11
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Brussels did not
You quote an anonymous government "source". Do you believe it?
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04/12/2020 11:47:01 5 4
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Don't believe everything you read in the Express or Daily Mail. The EU did not do anything of the sort. It was a fake story released by the British to try and put pressure on the EU. You're obviously too easily played by your puppet masters.
04/12/2020 15:05:52 1 0
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The EU suggested, and are still suggesting, an independent UK regulator to monitor UK compliance. You won’t read that in the Express
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04/12/2020 11:22:20 348 155
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Brexiteers put themselves under unnecessary pressure by making a deal time-bound. This increases the prospect of No Deal or a bad deal for the UK.

It’s better to agree an extension now and let a new PM negotiate at leisure once COVID is under control. There’s no point in continuing under Bojo; it’s a shambles.
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04/12/2020 11:23:41 128 323
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Rubbish
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04/12/2020 11:25:45 20 43
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If there was no time limit, the negotiations would just drag on and on - look at how long it took to actually withdraw from the EU!

The EU cannot fathom a country that won't bow to its requests. It seems to be having difficulty recognising that the UK will be a separate sovereign nation with its own priorities, some of which will not align with what the EU wants.
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04/12/2020 11:41:10 3 4
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There will never be a deal until we get to the last minute - it is the way of these things. The longer it takes to get to that last, backs against the wall, minute, the longer any deal will take, and the uncertainty for business that everyone talks about will just go on and on and on.
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04/12/2020 11:46:07 6 7
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Nonsense - ever heard of Parkinson's law?
04/12/2020 12:30:38 2 6
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Strawcat... you need to go live in France!!
04/12/2020 12:37:20 2 3
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Happy to extend transition but no more paying in during this. If payment continues then the EU will just drag the negotiations out and pocket the cash.
04/12/2020 12:42:34 2 3
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We have had too many extensions already. Time to do the deal.
04/12/2020 12:39:56 2 8
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You should have thought about that, the 4 years you trying to block us leaving.
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04/12/2020 13:09:31 1 4
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Surely when you resign from an organisation you leave and that is the end go it.
04/12/2020 13:36:04 1 4
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we cannot have anymore time we should have left at the end of june 2016
04/12/2020 14:30:10 0 1
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Enough extensions.I'm glad you are not in charge.
04/12/2020 14:33:52 0 1
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Making a deal time-bound? are you serious? it's been 4 years! and we still haven't truly left yet! Article 50 was a two year limit to come out, we've extended by another 2! Let's face it you just want to stay in the EU as long as possible, let it drag on for a few more years until the referendum result is forgotten about.
04/12/2020 14:36:23 0 3
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I'm not sure if you remainers on here are thick, or just pretending. It isn't about fishing quotas, it's more basic than that.
If somebody decided to start walking over your front garden as a short cut, you'd tell them to stop! If they said "OK, I know it's your garden, so I'll tell you what, I'll only walk over it on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, I think that's reasonable" what would you say?
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04/12/2020 11:22:42 56 45
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I'm sure that the rest of the EU are absolutely delighted that the French are putting the interests of their fishermen before everyone else

I know I am!

Merci, Monsieur Macron
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04/12/2020 11:25:49 90 35
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I'm sure the rest of the UK are absolutely delighted that Brexiteers are putting the interests of their fishermen before anything else.

Remind me again what % of the UK economy is based on fishing...
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04/12/2020 11:26:15 10 9
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There are always some people who want to do down their country.
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04/12/2020 11:29:27 17 7
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Fishing is completely inconsequential to the UK in both employment and GDP.

It must not be used as an excuse for a failure to get an agreement. It is a failure of those who are negotiating!
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04/12/2020 12:03:28 1 2
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Votre poisson ou mon poison? How typically French.
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04/12/2020 11:22:49 922 312
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I suppose we are exactly where Brexiteers expected us to be. After all, you knew exactly what you voted for. Your baby is about to be delivered.

So let's have no snivelling about EU intransigence, no blaming "Remoaners", no deflections about your perceived "BBC bias". Be positive. Tell us about the benefits of ending global free trade in favour of WTO tariffs, and life on the Sunlit Uplands.....
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04/12/2020 11:25:33 518 159
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They cannot because there is none.
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CJR
04/12/2020 11:26:42 31 152
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Absolute rubbish
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04/12/2020 11:27:56 66 194
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Actually the baby was delivered on 31st January this year i.e when what was promised was delivered - we left the EU

And the baby seems to be doing very well - no emergency budgets, food riots, collapsed pound, millions unemployed, rising prices or worls war three, all of which were PROMISED by the Remoaners the day after we voted to leave
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04/12/2020 11:46:05 16 79
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EU will not be able to require the UK government to charge VAT on all purchases, and then give them the money.
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04/12/2020 11:49:49 37 6
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Oh good! I've really been looking forward to being convinced that I was wrong about Brexit. Can't wait to hear all the tangible benefits outlined!
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04/12/2020 11:50:10 4 34
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Only remainers voted for their 'benefits'.

About time they worked out that is no basis for a moral person to decide an issue. Aren't they the ones that think they are clever?

No deal ever likely or particularly wanted.
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04/12/2020 11:53:10 9 53
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Well with an attitude like yours we are all apparently doomed.
The UK has the 5th largest economy in the world.
The UK is the most open-minded and gives refugee to hundreds and thousands of people.
The UK is the least racist country in the world
The UK has one of the strongest military in the world
Women in the UK earn more than men now
Our public sector is the best in the world
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04/12/2020 11:54:52 6 4
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Spot on. Well said.
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04/12/2020 11:54:07 28 4
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"I suppose we are exactly where Brexiteers expected us to be. After all, you knew exactly what you voted for. Your baby is about to be delivered."

Bring on no deal. Then we'll how good it really is when we "go WTO". Looking forward to the promised price reductions, new jobs, higher wages and flying pigs.
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04/12/2020 12:00:52 7 21
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How do you have the cheek to claim EU membership gave us “global free trade”. It did have some trade deals that have been rolled over to the U.K. as an independent country but mostly the EU imposed strange tariffs on much of the world.
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04/12/2020 12:02:10 7 31
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Who's ending global free trade? Typical Remoaner hype......You lot would surrender sovereignty in a heartbeat if it meant you could get cheaper Camembert. And BTW it's not perceived BBC bias it's a fact as well you know it. That's why you are on this site with the rest of the Remoaning population spitting you anti-Brexit bile.....this is your home!
789
04/12/2020 12:02:19 23 8
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Exactly right. I suspect that a lot of people who voted Leave didn't realise that the real agenda was to turn the UK into a clone of the US, and we can all see what a great idea that is!
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04/12/2020 12:03:31 6 11
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You will find out in time. But then you will be unavailable to eat the humble pie because you will be disappointed that we didn't fail as you appear to wish for.
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04/12/2020 12:04:48 3 15
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Some people are democratic - get over it!
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04/12/2020 12:05:52 20 6
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I don't see any benefit from Brexit. I only see high bureaucratic and more fees and charges, higher prices, limited supply of goods and services, limited travel opportunities. We go back many decades.
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04/12/2020 12:11:13 4 19
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Remoan, remoan and thrice remoan.

Change the record. You're just coming off like a spiteful, petulant child.
04/12/2020 12:12:53 3 12
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The main benefit will be not having to deal with the insufferable French, and their little 'emperors'.
04/12/2020 12:14:22 3 13
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1. A democratic vote upheld
2. At least £9bn net annually not being given away to the EU. This doesn't include their Covid bailout which also would have cost us £bn's
3. Ability to set more of our own laws and freedom to purchase vaccines quicker (??), some of which will depend on if EU want a fair deal.

At least majority of Brexiteers and remainera agree they want a deal over no deal though.
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04/12/2020 11:22:53 12 12
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Todays Brexit HYS is now open ... rant on
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04/12/2020 11:23:15 17 44
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NO DEAL!!

WTO NOW!!

BREAK THE CHAINS!! PROSPER UK!!
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04/12/2020 11:24:45 25 4
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Your first two statements are incompatable with the third. You have to choose one or the other.
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04/12/2020 11:30:51 3 1
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I suspect you haven't got a clue what WTR imply. Strange how only a tiny hand full of countries in the world actually rely on these rules.
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04/12/2020 11:34:17 4 1
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I would get your pc repaired if I were you. Pray tell what chains are they you wish to break?
Perhaps you could give us your expert knowledge of international trade and tell us how we will prosper under WTO.
Typing in block capitals does not substantiate your argument and is no substitute for facts.
Nice shouting.
Now would you care to explain how UK consumers and UK exporters are going prosper under WTO tariffs? Consumers are going to have to pay more to buy £bs of imports. Exporters are going to have to pay tariffs to sell, making them uncompetitive against their competitors who will be trading tariff ree.

I don't expect a reply. They are questions WTO fans never answer.
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04/12/2020 11:42:53 1 2
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Grow up.
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04/12/2020 11:50:46 4 1
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You have to be trolling because nobody can be that stupid. However, assuming you’re not, I take it that you are aware that only Mauritania trades solely on WTO. Ever wondered why or is this too difficult a question to contemplate?
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04/12/2020 11:23:38 924 157
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The Business Secretary sent me a nice email to say that he's heard that there's some big event happening on 1.1.21 and that my business should be prepared.

But he can't tell me any details. Because he doesn't know. Even now.

Sums it up.
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04/12/2020 11:28:44 135 777
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A general election would see a landslide Labour win, but then everything would be worse.
It seems we have generation self self self.
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04/12/2020 11:36:58 65 165
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If you haven't prepared your business for every eventually then you deserve everything that is coming your way.
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04/12/2020 11:44:06 9 20
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Come 1.1.21, will we have control of our borders? Looks like a 'no'.

Will we have control of our laws? Looks like a 'no'.

Will we have control of our money? Looks like a 'no'.

Tell me, why did we vote to leave?

Either get them to agree to the offer on the table or do the things you promised by walking away!

And I thought it was a European UNION. Barnier has responsibility without authority!
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04/12/2020 11:47:41 21 5
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Totally agree, this whole situation is madness with effectively 2 weeks to go.
The government have no idea of the impact. Clowns.
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04/12/2020 11:47:02 5 29
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‘Sums it up’. Certainly does. You’ve been told repeatedly what you need to do but you will of course blame your failings on government. Read the guidance and just get on with it - a better use of time than moaning on HYS.
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04/12/2020 11:51:39 10 6
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"But he can't tell me any details. Because he doesn't know. Even now."

The details are spelled out very clearly on the Govt web site. You need to be prepared for change of some sort, as things are going to be different in some way. Probably.
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04/12/2020 11:57:28 5 18
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Only an idiot would run a business without a plan in place for trading on WTO terms when the EU’s unacceptable demands have been known about for years.
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04/12/2020 11:23:40 5 18
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Right now I don't think this really matters. We need end these stupid lockdowns before we start worry about this.
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04/12/2020 11:31:12 0 2
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Agree, but Boris wouldn't! His masters wouldn't let him!??
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04/12/2020 11:44:09 0 1
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Whether you are 'pro' or anti Brexit, or 'pro' or 'anti' lockdown both are completely separate, but equally important issues. To say either of these issues doesn't matter is a silly statement. I would say both are extremely important, whatever views you hold.
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04/12/2020 11:22:20 348 155
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Brexiteers put themselves under unnecessary pressure by making a deal time-bound. This increases the prospect of No Deal or a bad deal for the UK.

It’s better to agree an extension now and let a new PM negotiate at leisure once COVID is under control. There’s no point in continuing under Bojo; it’s a shambles.
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04/12/2020 11:23:41 128 323
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Rubbish
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04/12/2020 11:27:19 41 7
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You can't argue with that reasoned argument. In fairness possibly not the worst you'll see from Cultists today.......
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04/12/2020 11:33:54 42 8
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Enough about the Daily Express's content. What was your reasoned, well-thought out point?
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04/12/2020 11:59:15 10 6
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Why is it rubbish? Explain yourself instead of just dismissing. Someone else’s opinion.
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04/12/2020 12:01:02 9 5
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Brilliant, Twinbob. Now explain why.
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04/12/2020 12:10:03 3 3
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Twaddle
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04/12/2020 12:10:38 7 3
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You sum up the stance of Brexiteers perfectly.
04/12/2020 12:29:23 5 3
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You have summed up the entire Brexit campaign in one word!
04/12/2020 13:30:43 4 1
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As well reasoned a comment as ever from a leaver like twinbob .
04/12/2020 13:38:26 2 1
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berxit all over :)
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04/12/2020 15:38:51 0 0
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The scary thing is, thats one of the more coherent responses I've seen on here today...

Doesn't make it right, though...
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04/12/2020 11:23:45 152 53
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No deal is not what they voted for, our government needs to get a grip and stop selling us down the river with fish as an excuse.
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04/12/2020 11:28:38 57 111
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we voted no deal and im a remainer
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04/12/2020 11:46:29 5 3
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Its just the MSM who are trying to pin it on fish. the real issues are much bigger.
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04/12/2020 12:09:38 3 4
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"No deal" was always an option, and it is what the Brexiters voted for. They shouild stop bleating - they put these herberts in there.
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04/12/2020 11:23:50 73 60
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Is Barnier negotiating for the EU or just Macron?
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04/12/2020 11:25:49 88 37
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The EU, try and keep up
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04/12/2020 11:27:28 25 17
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Are you jealous that sovereign France is a big player in the EU? That could have been the UK. Instead you turned your back on the chance and wallowed in fake nostalgia, imperialist arrogance and lazy wartime stereotypes.
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04/12/2020 12:03:19 1 1
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He who pays the piper calls the tune.
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04/12/2020 11:24:39 9 7
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With no deal, the UK's message to the EU on 31st Dec could be 'Good-bye, and thanks for all the fish !
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04/12/2020 11:37:21 2 2
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And can we borrow a few billion each year to fill the whole we've just dug for ourselves
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04/12/2020 11:46:34 0 1
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'So long and....' but I take your point.
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04/12/2020 11:24:40 344 117
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Fish, the square root of nothing and still the Cultists get excited about it.....

Even our own fishing industry see a No deal outcome as stupid
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04/12/2020 11:31:03 220 82
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The UK needs to ask itself a few questions. Is fishing as important as the other 99.8% of the economy? No. Do we want to break level playing field rules we helped set up? No electable political party in the last 40 years has, so it's likely not something we want sacrifice hundreds of thousands of jobs for. Is it really an indignity for trade conducted with Europe to be ruled on by its courts? No.
Petulant, puerile, sour grapes. No wonder you lost the referendum with an attitude like that.
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04/12/2020 12:02:24 0 5
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Well thats not true is it.
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04/12/2020 12:09:01 3 2
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just gently remind Boris that in general fishermen did not vote him in
04/12/2020 13:19:23 1 4
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try telling that to fishermen in brixham
A deal, not servitude to the NAZI EU. Removed
04/12/2020 14:30:57 0 2
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Every fisherman I have spoken to supports no-deal.
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04/12/2020 11:23:15 17 44
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NO DEAL!!

WTO NOW!!

BREAK THE CHAINS!! PROSPER UK!!
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04/12/2020 11:24:45 25 4
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Your first two statements are incompatable with the third. You have to choose one or the other.
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04/12/2020 11:24:52 7 28
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Go WTO..
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04/12/2020 11:25:11 8 22
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We won't give in to bully boy tactics.
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04/12/2020 11:27:12 11 3
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change the record.
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04/12/2020 11:27:50 1 1
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send that woman piri then
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04/12/2020 11:25:26 3 7
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A failure to get an agreement after so many promises would simply be incompetence built upon lies.

Inevitably each side will blame each other - but they would both be equally culpable.
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04/12/2020 11:27:01 10 1
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No, the UK decided to leave without athought for the consequences, the EU has hardly budged from its position!
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04/12/2020 11:29:44 1 1
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Except that the EU didn't the make ridiculous promises that Boris & his leave cronies did!??
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04/12/2020 11:25:30 506 189
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So a sector that accounts for 0.02% of the UK economy is holding the negotiations hostage, sums up the futility of Brexit!
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04/12/2020 11:28:47 413 151
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And the stupidity of Boris who backed himself into a corner over fishing! History will not judge him kindly!??
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04/12/2020 11:30:43 34 10
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That same sector accounts for even less of the EU economy.
Try to see the situation from both sides. It takes two parties to make an agreement.
The fishing lobbies on both sides are punching above their weight. You can't blame them for it. That's politics.
Simply bashing the UK negotiators and shouting for the UK side to give way does not help the negotiations.
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04/12/2020 11:31:48 14 6
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Actually its just that this topic is the one the BBC like to quote at every turn.

There are more pressing issues such as supremacy or courts, state aids restrictions etc etc
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04/12/2020 11:37:35 8 3
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it's a bit like the Scot Govt legislation that all private home owners must install smoke and heat detectors (at your own expense) - but they have to be the most expensive interlinked devices availiable in the market place installed by an electrician. 5 times the cost of what normal people can afford for very little benefit when standalone devices work just fine and there's less to wrong!
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04/12/2020 11:39:08 7 18
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Your argument shows the futility of remainders logic
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04/12/2020 11:39:39 13 27
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If someone stole £100 from you would it be right to say ‘it’s ok, it’s only 0.xxx% of your net worth’? Sometimes you have to stand up for principles.
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04/12/2020 11:40:45 10 5
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So why's it matter so much to the French?
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04/12/2020 11:40:49 25 3
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Just like Stilton was holding up the japanese trade deal. We chose the oddest hills to die on as a nation
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04/12/2020 11:43:13 15 17
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Perhaps if we had control of our fishing industry, we could develop it so it’s worth more than 0.02% of the economy? That might assist coastal economies who’ve not had the best of times.
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04/12/2020 11:43:49 7 7
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No this is just the MSM distorting the picture. The key issues are level playing field, standards, EU Court - all of which we cannot concede on and still be a separate sovereign state.
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04/12/2020 11:45:53 8 4
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All because Gove's father lost his job as a fisherman in the 70's. That' some vengeance.
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04/12/2020 11:47:48 5 1
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It will go to the wire but they will cobble together a compromise as neither party wants to go to the cross over something so small as fishing.
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04/12/2020 11:49:08 8 3
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Hmm 0.02% is quite a popular stat at the moment. Isn't it roughly the same percentage of UK citizens that have died with Covid-19?
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04/12/2020 12:00:07 3 7
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Its actually 0.5% of GDP which is about the same as farming. Maybe we should just abandon that too?
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04/12/2020 11:58:17 2 1
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If it's so unimportant why do the French want it?
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04/12/2020 12:04:27 2 1
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“So a sector that accounts for 0.02% of the UK economy is holding the negotiations hostage”
So a sector that must be worth to the EU far less than it is to the U.K. economy is being used by the EU to hold negotiations hostage.
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04/12/2020 12:06:12 3 5
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It's a negotiation tactic. The prize is not the 0.02%. Have you ever negotiated anything in your life...ever?
04/12/2020 12:11:49 4 1
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0.02% and about to get a lot less....they will have nobody to sell their fish to
04/12/2020 12:16:24 2 2
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Tell that to unemployed fishermen and fisherwomen and the people of fishing towns - it matters just as much as the next persons job and way of live.
04/12/2020 12:33:52 0 4
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If they use our waters can we go to Greece and take their olives?
04/12/2020 12:36:33 1 1
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Tell that to Macron, who is prepared to destroy a trade deal for it for the other 26 member states.
04/12/2020 12:38:10 1 3
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You wouldn't say that if you lived in one of our fishing communities.
04/12/2020 13:02:39 3 2
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Blame the French. They keep demanding similar access to our waters. In that case can we pop over and have access to 50% of your champagne stock? Seems fair.
04/12/2020 13:06:39 2 1
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Edward heath sold our fishermen down the river we want our fish back and control our borders.
04/12/2020 13:42:43 0 0
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You've completely missed the point. Where have you been the last four years??
04/12/2020 13:50:22 0 0
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Fishing is also only 0.2% of the EU's economy so it's a 2 way street
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04/12/2020 11:25:30 6 11
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I am surprised that there will be a no deal.
If only the clock could be turned back.
You can always just do your own.
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04/12/2020 11:22:49 922 312
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I suppose we are exactly where Brexiteers expected us to be. After all, you knew exactly what you voted for. Your baby is about to be delivered.

So let's have no snivelling about EU intransigence, no blaming "Remoaners", no deflections about your perceived "BBC bias". Be positive. Tell us about the benefits of ending global free trade in favour of WTO tariffs, and life on the Sunlit Uplands.....
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04/12/2020 11:25:33 518 159
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They cannot because there is none.
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04/12/2020 11:41:23 34 80
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Yet, rightly or wrongly, that's what the people voted for. Time to move on.
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04/12/2020 11:47:47 30 61
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How could there be when you're talking into your own echo-chamber.

There are in fact a number of quite sensible reasons to leave the EU, but one has to have a balanced mindset to handle it.

This mess isn't the EU's fault. It's mainly down to the bitter rearguard action fought by people with a) a vested interest and b) staunch proponents of democracy...provided they win!
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04/12/2020 11:25:39 6 2
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Happy New Year everybody.
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04/12/2020 11:22:20 348 155
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Brexiteers put themselves under unnecessary pressure by making a deal time-bound. This increases the prospect of No Deal or a bad deal for the UK.

It’s better to agree an extension now and let a new PM negotiate at leisure once COVID is under control. There’s no point in continuing under Bojo; it’s a shambles.
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04/12/2020 11:25:45 20 43
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If there was no time limit, the negotiations would just drag on and on - look at how long it took to actually withdraw from the EU!

The EU cannot fathom a country that won't bow to its requests. It seems to be having difficulty recognising that the UK will be a separate sovereign nation with its own priorities, some of which will not align with what the EU wants.
631
04/12/2020 11:55:32 10 4
bbc
lol...
dont you get it yet?

no wonder we are doomed with comments like this.
04/12/2020 12:23:09 8 3
bbc
If the UK wants to trade with the EU without aligning with EU trade rules or, worse, signing a treaty and then passing law to breach that treaty, then it is not that "the EU cannot fathom a country that won't bow to its requests". It is that the EU cannot (and should not) change its rules to cater for the tantrums of spoilt kids who feel entitled to join the party.
04/12/2020 13:02:10 6 3
bbc
Oh dear oh dear You have learned nothing whilst in the EU.

The EU does take its time at negotiations most FTA take between 7 and 15 years. The various agreement with the Swiss took 13 years.

The EU knows the other side wants access to its 450 million consumers market. By comparison the US has only 330 million consumers.

With so many consumers on hand the EU can wait till it is satisfied.
04/12/2020 15:40:29 1 0
bbc
Again, you expect them to bow down to the might of Britannia, and make things easy for a country that literally told them where to go?

Garyworld must be nice this time of year...
2
04/12/2020 11:22:17 27 26
bbc
‘Brussels had made new demands on how competition rules and regulations should be enforced.’

The E.U. are still trying to dominate, no wonder there’s been no agreement.

Get an agreement sorted, it benefits both sides.
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04/12/2020 11:25:45 25 11
bbc
Brussels did not
25
04/12/2020 11:25:46 307 80
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Isn't it exciting? All those fishermen slowly realising they can have the fish, but won't have a market to sell it in. Laughable.
Not possible without WTO transgression.
296
04/12/2020 11:29:00 5 8
bbc
They can sell it right here in the UK. £5 quid for cod and chips.
Never mind let them eat cake,
Let them eat fish
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xlr
04/12/2020 11:52:08 5 3
bbc
If there are food shortages due to lorry queues in Kent and NI (and retailers say there WILL be), then we'll buy their fish.

Not at its current market price though. More like we'll take it off their hands so they don't have to pay to dispose of it...
703
04/12/2020 11:58:26 5 2
bbc
yup,
which lots of us noticed on day one.
04/12/2020 12:34:05 1 1
bbc
These fishermen with no market to sell into will have their fish and eat them too.
04/12/2020 12:36:17 1 1
bbc
Where's the fishing fleet coming from?
04/12/2020 12:44:15 1 5
bbc
If EU countries desire our fish, they can buy it or the right to fish it. Give our fish away for nothing? Laughable.
04/12/2020 12:44:44 3 4
bbc
We won't sell the fish, we'll sell the quotas. The point is the quotas should be ours to sell, not the EU's.
04/12/2020 12:45:34 1 1
bbc
Of course they will have a market to sell to. The fish will be more expensive , but it will still be bought, primarily because it isn’t simply replaceable from Eu waters - eg. Herring , the #1 fish in the Baltic’s and Scandinavia.
04/12/2020 13:37:35 0 1
bbc
say that to fishermen in brixham they will sort you out
04/12/2020 13:51:23 0 0
bbc
And all those EU fisherman that will lose access to £500million of fish from UK waters.
Is that laughable as well??
ed
04/12/2020 14:34:23 0 1
bbc
Plenty of markets for fish
04/12/2020 15:23:45 0 0
bbc
Or we can just preserve the fish stocks rather than having them wiped out by French, Dutch and Spanish rogues. That's an equally good achievement if there is no other use for the fish.
12
04/12/2020 11:23:50 73 60
bbc
Is Barnier negotiating for the EU or just Macron?
26
04/12/2020 11:25:49 88 37
bbc
The EU, try and keep up
04/12/2020 12:50:31 1 6
bbc
But who pulls the strings in the negotiations? Macron of course, try and keep up.
4
04/12/2020 11:22:42 56 45
bbc
I'm sure that the rest of the EU are absolutely delighted that the French are putting the interests of their fishermen before everyone else

I know I am!

Merci, Monsieur Macron
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04/12/2020 11:25:49 90 35
bbc
I'm sure the rest of the UK are absolutely delighted that Brexiteers are putting the interests of their fishermen before anything else.

Remind me again what % of the UK economy is based on fishing...
61
04/12/2020 11:28:03 18 17
bbc
Remind me again why we should let foreign vessels plunder our national waters without paying for it?
77
04/12/2020 11:29:13 3 10
bbc
The fish argument is like 2 neighbours arguing over 6 inches of land and spending thousands on legal costs to try and resolve it. Neither side can back down at this stage without losing face so both will likely continue to dig their heels in
223
04/12/2020 11:38:02 7 2
bbc
0.03%
228
04/12/2020 11:38:20 1 3
bbc
Can you not work out something so simple?
289
04/12/2020 11:41:27 2 14
bbc
That is irrelevant. The key thing is taking back our sovereignty with no compromises.
Never mind. It was worth a try.

As long as UK sovereignty is returned all will be well.
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04/12/2020 11:27:43 12 2
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How can you get back something you never lost in the first place????
Of course we see from the Pfizer vaccine pre-order and approval that there's a clear benefit to collaborating internationally as well as working indpendently to serve the best interest of the people.
29
04/12/2020 11:26:07 31 13
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An act of national suicide caused by gullible fools.
246
04/12/2020 11:39:20 9 2
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How true.
291
04/12/2020 11:41:40 0 4
bbc
Name calling = lost the argument....
334
04/12/2020 11:43:43 0 5
bbc
Yep, but at last we are finally about to be out for good.
04/12/2020 16:24:17 1 0
bbc
Economic suicide more likely.

Suicide= when death is more bearable than life.

Conclusion: Boris made life unbearable.
30
04/12/2020 11:26:09 8 5
bbc
There will be a deal done. Moving too early means you keep conceding more and more up until the deadline.
The deal will be fair as long as both sides keep working to find the compromise.

What each side actually find important and not will be the subject of the final concessions.
There is an agreement in here, give and take on both sides, lets bury the tabloid rhetoric and let them get on with it
295
04/12/2020 11:28:18 0 1
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Totally agree
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Bob
04/12/2020 11:26:15 9 16
bbc
I see Macron is still giving it large, never mind only 27 days of listening to drivel Clingons!
4
04/12/2020 11:22:42 56 45
bbc
I'm sure that the rest of the EU are absolutely delighted that the French are putting the interests of their fishermen before everyone else

I know I am!

Merci, Monsieur Macron
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04/12/2020 11:26:15 10 9
bbc
There are always some people who want to do down their country.
367
04/12/2020 11:44:42 2 2
bbc
Yes. They voted for Brexit.
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RW
04/12/2020 11:26:20 13 18
bbc
Its fascinating watching the BBC dealing with Brexit now. The penny has sort of dropped that you were completely wrong every time with this, and with new management you have to be less opinionated, but one can just feel you biting at the bit.

One sniff of anything going wrong, and you'll be off again with your doomsday predictions like a rocket.

Does raise a smile up north ??
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04/12/2020 11:26:22 617 113
bbc
So if we don't get a deal, that means Boris has failed at statecraft (his words), he hasn't planned for 'no deal' as he was going to get a deal (his words), 'no deal' was a million to one against (his words) & his list of failures continues to grow........!??
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04/12/2020 11:46:16 51 84
bbc
Hard Brexit , though.
510
04/12/2020 11:50:10 4 55
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unfortunately the EU have never been prepared to negotiate or compromise - just make demands that still trap the UK inside their rules. freedom on 1st January and a rise to prosperity thereafter.
755
04/12/2020 12:00:36 3 12
bbc
Boris knows - as we all do - that a No Deal was the inevitable outcome.
854
04/12/2020 12:05:17 18 1
bbc
It was obvious we were heading this way when the Rees Mog stayed in the cabinet after the election. That was the litmus test for where we are now.
04/12/2020 13:23:17 8 0
bbc
Also his words : "eff business" ??
04/12/2020 13:38:33 3 0
bbc
He has a trade deal - it’s called the Australian deal. No-one mentions WTO in the hope the ill informed believe he’s done what he said he’d do. Pathetic
04/12/2020 14:01:51 3 0
bbc
surely he'll resign along with the rest of the government, right? i mean it would be the honourable thing to do..

oh wait...
04/12/2020 14:04:17 3 0
bbc
Absolutely but so many actually voted for this ! He said " no child will go hungry " many have no heating, lighting, little food and a miserable existence thanks to this TORY NIGHTMARE !
04/12/2020 14:52:26 0 0
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The world won't stop turning.....money will be made.....babies will be born.....Christmas will come and go.....and in no time at all nobody will care.......not that many of the 72 million UK citizens actually do now !?
04/12/2020 15:02:33 1 0
bbc
Surely not another lie from the serial liar that is Johnson?
04/12/2020 15:15:36 0 1
bbc
Of course there will be a deal. Don't be so melodramatic & impatient. The 31st is lightyears away still in EU negotiation terms.
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04/12/2020 11:26:30 9 25
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If we let them continue to plunder our waters we are finished as an independent nation
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04/12/2020 11:26:33 358 97
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“The easiest deal in human history”: Liam Fox, 20/07/2017.

Leavers: ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated?
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RW
04/12/2020 11:27:58 137 301
bbc
Nope. Ever going to stop whinging?
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04/12/2020 11:27:58 15 25
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No
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04/12/2020 11:28:45 12 40
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Remoaners - every have the feeling that you have lost, twice?
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04/12/2020 11:29:32 11 32
bbc
Stupid comment. It takes two in a negotiation & the EU will self harm rather than give ground.
95
04/12/2020 11:30:38 3 11
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Can you name a trade deal that has been easier than this one?
950
04/12/2020 12:09:40 2 7
bbc
No, be we feel you tried to cheat us out of our democracy
04/12/2020 12:31:00 0 6
bbc
It would have been very easy if the UK negotiators had not given in to so much right at the beginning. We should have stood very firm at the beginning and made the EU give some ground before we started to give way. No deal is not going to be the end of the world.
04/12/2020 12:41:31 1 4
bbc
Well that was when Barnier offered a Canida +free trade deal and then withdrew when it looked like we would take it
04/12/2020 12:42:51 0 1
bbc
No.
04/12/2020 12:43:46 1 2
bbc
It was the Canada deal, the one barrier said we would have to accept. Only when we did, it suddenly became unfair to the Eu.
04/12/2020 12:41:11 0 2
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Wr have the feeling you tried to cheat democracy.
04/12/2020 13:21:50 0 0
bbc
No don't feel cheated.
Do you Adolph?
04/12/2020 13:21:53 0 1
bbc
no I feel chheated by left wing woke zeolets like you
04/12/2020 13:28:28 2 0
bbc
Seem to have triggered a few snowflake Brexiters with this one.

Love it.
04/12/2020 13:49:20 0 0
bbc
Ever had the feeling that your subservient dictatorship in Brussels?? No? You haven't been paying attention!!
04/12/2020 14:22:19 0 0
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NO
04/12/2020 14:26:29 0 0
bbc
That requires memory, understanding and a little bit of humility - so no then!
04/12/2020 14:32:12 0 2
bbc
Yes, by the remainers in parliament who weakened the governments hand in negotiations & did everything they could to block a democratic decision.
Also, by the lies of the 1973 & 5 referendum &subsequent govts who said ever closer union was not part of the deal voted for.
We were lied to in 1973 & ever since, especially by Blair & Brown over Lisbon.
Yes Tom, we were cheated. For 50 years
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04/12/2020 11:22:49 922 312
bbc
I suppose we are exactly where Brexiteers expected us to be. After all, you knew exactly what you voted for. Your baby is about to be delivered.

So let's have no snivelling about EU intransigence, no blaming "Remoaners", no deflections about your perceived "BBC bias". Be positive. Tell us about the benefits of ending global free trade in favour of WTO tariffs, and life on the Sunlit Uplands.....
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CJR
04/12/2020 11:26:42 31 152
bbc
Absolute rubbish
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04/12/2020 11:36:04 120 18
bbc
Because...........? Please provide us with the benefits of leaving the EU.
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04/12/2020 11:39:39 69 8
bbc
Why please explain
468
04/12/2020 11:48:38 46 10
bbc
And, as usual from a Brexiteer, no TANGIBLE reason why Brexit is so positive
38
04/12/2020 11:26:46 39 16
bbc
Boris Johnson has failed on Brexit.... What a shambles he has got us all into.... If you voted for this, you are pretty craaaaazzzzzzy
39
04/12/2020 11:26:49 59 17
bbc
“There is no plan for no deal because we're going to get a great deal.” (Boris Johnson, 11 July 2017)
Perhaps he meant to include the words “of misery and derision” at the end of the sentence but somehow forgot.
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04/12/2020 11:26:55 17 14
bbc
The UK government capitulated over fishing when we joined the EU, throwing our fishermen to the wolves, or in BBC woke language fisherpeople. If they do it again they will never be forgiven.
519
04/12/2020 11:50:27 1 2
bbc
We joined the EU for a free market , that was only thing that was on the table for the electorate , successive governments have, without going back to the electorate, ceded many things to the EU, that weren't theirs to give.
Government of both persuasions are equally to blame.
It is amazing how many people on this forum blame everything on the UK , when the blame really lies with the EU.
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04/12/2020 11:26:56 196 58
bbc
Brexit has turned into an absolute farce.
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04/12/2020 11:35:28 201 41
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It's always has been a farce.
323
04/12/2020 11:43:19 11 5
bbc
I think you’ll find that it started as a fast but has turned into a horror/tragedy....
991
04/12/2020 12:11:14 4 17
bbc
The EU is an absolute farce
04/12/2020 12:23:46 1 12
bbc
No Brexit is a FORCE you mean !
04/12/2020 12:47:54 2 6
bbc
Yawn.
04/12/2020 13:26:27 3 7
bbc
The EU is an absolute farce, a monster that has gone out of control and their ultimate goal is to make the UK suffer for daring to leave as a warning for the other 27 nations. Said it years ago the UK should have walked away from this bureaucratic unworkable institution.
04/12/2020 14:28:14 2 0
bbc
Actually it started that way too but now it's become apparent to all but the most crazed of the forlock tuggers.
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tom
04/12/2020 11:26:57 1 3
bbc
People's lives, livelihoods and centuries of history being torn up and decided upon between a few negotiators with just a couple of weeks to go... Scary stuff.
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04/12/2020 11:25:26 3 7
bbc
A failure to get an agreement after so many promises would simply be incompetence built upon lies.

Inevitably each side will blame each other - but they would both be equally culpable.
43
04/12/2020 11:27:01 10 1
bbc
No, the UK decided to leave without athought for the consequences, the EU has hardly budged from its position!
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04/12/2020 11:27:03 30 10
bbc
Watch out Scotland's Fisher Men & Women - you're all about to be sold down the swanny.

You were warned before that this would be the outcome.

Faced with the choice of protecting their mates in the City of Spivs & Speculators not having to move to Frankfurt or Paris BoJo will sell you out quicker than Priti loses her cool.
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04/12/2020 11:35:09 18 25
bbc
Who gave the rights away , not Phony Blair by any chance?
45
04/12/2020 11:27:07 6 9
bbc
huge problem for johnsons diplomay now with the french waving their flag at him saying we want our fishing rights or no deal,they can say that as they have the most damaging way to stop uk trading with europe,thats called the channel tunnel its at their disposal whether to close that or even stop the ferries running,brexiteers dont have a border as they need them all open,france will stop deal
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04/12/2020 11:39:53 2 2
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Unfortunately to do that France would be in breach of their EU commitments them not being a sovereign country and all that. As they move to a 60% veto it will be harder for them. Expect to see more French disruption at ports and borders as their militant workforce once again take matters into their own hands down the road. Good riddance.
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04/12/2020 11:27:12 13 18
bbc
Standard EU negotiating tactics. Agree on everything then at the 11th hour throw in some ridiculous demand and hope the other have no choice but to accept. Fatal error is underestimating Britain’s reaction to these bully boy tactics. They can stick it - no deal.
74
04/12/2020 11:28:51 10 3
bbc
BoJo could always renege on his commitments.

He's done it before & no doubt will do it again.
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04/12/2020 11:33:23 1 1
bbc
Well said, it is about time some of these remainers woke up and smelt the coffee. We are simply asking for two things back that should never been given away.
Our sovereignty, and our coastal waters. Not too much too ask is it.
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04/12/2020 11:25:11 8 22
bbc
We won't give in to bully boy tactics.
47
04/12/2020 11:27:12 11 3
bbc
change the record.
10
04/12/2020 11:23:41 128 323
bbc
Rubbish
48
04/12/2020 11:27:19 41 7
bbc
You can't argue with that reasoned argument. In fairness possibly not the worst you'll see from Cultists today.......
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04/12/2020 11:27:20 430 114
bbc
10,000 people directly employed in fishing, another 30,000 indirectly.

3,200,000 people employed in UK manufacturing.

So yeah, let's Stand Firm on fishing at the cost of manufacturing.

Why? Because it makes for great headlines in The Daily Mail and secures the PM support from the ERG Zealots.
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04/12/2020 11:32:41 223 68
bbc
To be honest, I think fishing rights matters far more because of what it represents (control of our own waters) , than because of a purely economic case. I do think though that, as in everything else, a compromise needs to be reached. Perhaps some period of winding down EU fishing in our waters, which would give them time to adjust.
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04/12/2020 11:36:20 30 5
bbc
If fishing is of no importance ask the French and Spanish to concede on it and see where you get? Thought not.
662
04/12/2020 11:56:57 10 21
bbc
What an odd post. Ever since a certain referendum, the less successful side have been constantly telling us we do not manufacture anything now and we "need" to be in the EU to survive.

Please, therefore, enlighten us all on what that 3.2 million people manufacture?

Nothing at all?

Or was that "we don't manufacture anything" just another stupid lie, like WWIII?
04/12/2020 12:14:15 14 13
bbc
We would have far more employed in the fishing industry, but our quotas were reduced to the bare minimum so that EU countries could plunder our fish. But that that probably never occurred to you did it.......being a narrow minder Remoaner.
04/12/2020 13:17:37 4 3
bbc
say that to fishing community where I live in brixham where I live people like you will not live very long
04/12/2020 13:20:39 1 1
bbc
If the govt were to cause a fallout over something that a large percentage of the population were involved in, there could be enough pressure from that large percentage to require them to change course.

But with fishing, even if all fishermen stood up and said "we are prepared to accept the EU's 20% quota", the govt can still ignore it.

Remoaners drink tea from cups, Brexiters from ...
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04/12/2020 13:47:41 2 1
bbc
Could also be about the small group of people owning fishing rights and their financial support to the Tories
04/12/2020 13:52:50 1 1
bbc
Says the man whose business doesn't depend on fishing. What would you say if it did or do you just not care about anyone but yourself
04/12/2020 14:19:27 1 0
bbc
Jaguar Land Rover employs more all on their own!
04/12/2020 14:21:13 0 1
bbc
Go to falmouth and say that to the fisherman down there see how you get on it's more than you imbecil
04/12/2020 14:35:41 1 1
bbc
No! Our negotiating position is so strong because continuing with the status quo on fishing would have zero impact on the existing fishing industry in the UK and that denial of access to the EU would be catastrophic.
No fishing access would be political catastrophe for Macron!
04/12/2020 15:01:40 0 1
bbc
Think you'll find fishing rights are about ownership.....rather like if someone else in a Hotel sleeping in 'your' bed, using 'your' loo and watching 'your' TV whenever they felt like it....cos you're all staying in the same Hotel....
25
04/12/2020 11:25:46 307 80
bbc
Isn't it exciting? All those fishermen slowly realising they can have the fish, but won't have a market to sell it in. Laughable.
Not possible without WTO transgression.
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04/12/2020 11:45:11 21 3
bbc
But there would be tariffs which would kill their trade. Duh.
04/12/2020 15:17:29 0 0
bbc
Yes it is possible, it's food and as long as the EU puts the tariff on it as it does for all third country imports of a similar product, which it does, it works.
12
04/12/2020 11:23:50 73 60
bbc
Is Barnier negotiating for the EU or just Macron?
51
04/12/2020 11:27:28 25 17
bbc
Are you jealous that sovereign France is a big player in the EU? That could have been the UK. Instead you turned your back on the chance and wallowed in fake nostalgia, imperialist arrogance and lazy wartime stereotypes.
456
04/12/2020 11:48:03 2 12
bbc
Good bit of ad hominem profiling there. I thought you liberal types hated that sort of stereotyping thing.
04/12/2020 12:13:00 1 4
bbc
Utter tripe.
04/12/2020 12:49:05 4 1
bbc
Your way off the mark! We produce nothing, import all our essential goods including Power Stations, manufacture foreign countries cars, and lest we forget we have a substantial Banking sector that we are told is the keystone to the economy. Where will we be next year as we watch the Japanese withdraw car manufacturing to the EU, remind me who owns Vauxhall?
52
04/12/2020 11:27:29 33 17
bbc
Isolationism, suspicion, distrust & mutual harm - welcome to Brexit.
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04/12/2020 11:34:10 10 21
bbc
Isolationism? What are you talking about? One of the main reasons the UK left the EU is to rid itself of the little-Europer mentality which is the inevitable consequence of an EU hell bent in internal integration and conformity.

The UK left the EU to rid itself of this isolationist mentality.
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CJR
04/12/2020 11:38:04 4 1
bbc
In your opinion
04/12/2020 14:46:58 0 0
bbc
Maybe the clean cut No Deal Brexit is the ‘best’ outcome as everything will become reality. Then everyone will witness for themselves how bad or good it is being out of EU. Hoping the new era will bring new breed of politicians causing the rupture in party duopoly in this country. My guess UK (with or without Scotland) will again join EU in some form as being ‘alone’ in wilderness is not nice.
53
04/12/2020 11:27:30 488 110
bbc
"Time running out"

You've had 4 years Boris and apparently it was 'oven ready.'
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04/12/2020 11:32:54 294 484
bbc
Seriously now. Put a sock in it. The ‘oven ready’ deal was the withdrawal agreement which is already in effect. No one claimed the trade deal was oven ready. If you thought otherwise that’s your own fault and no-one else’s.
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CJR
04/12/2020 11:37:46 15 54
bbc
Poor cheap comment, thought after 4 years you could have come up with something better.
04/12/2020 12:14:58 1 15
bbc
Remoaners delayed it.
04/12/2020 12:25:12 1 1
bbc
Bozzer is still looking for the ingredients whilst we are all waiting at the table.
04/12/2020 12:34:45 2 1
bbc
Boris the liar
04/12/2020 12:35:03 1 7
bbc
It would have been done ages ago, if Remainers had accepted the democratic result from the beginning, instead of trying to block it.
04/12/2020 13:07:01 1 1
bbc
Glib statement designed solely to get the thickoes to vote for him.
04/12/2020 13:07:28 0 3
bbc
4 years of the establishment trying everything in their power to prevent it
04/12/2020 13:07:44 1 1
bbc
hope he's not cooking the Turkey, Carrie and little one will stave
Never mind. It was worth a try.

As long as UK sovereignty is returned all will be well.
54
04/12/2020 11:27:43 12 2
bbc
How can you get back something you never lost in the first place????
17
04/12/2020 11:25:11 8 22
bbc
We won't give in to bully boy tactics.
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04/12/2020 11:27:50 1 1
bbc
send that woman piri then
The EU waffle-athon is now open.

Line up to post derogatory remarks against who ever you like so long as you tow the line and don't insult the EU.

All insults against the UK are regarding as acceptable providing the term idiot, useless and pathetic is included.

BBC will monitor this HYS to ensure its sufficiently anti UK and anti Tory.
Removed
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04/12/2020 11:30:22 2 1
bbc
Toe the line I think you mean....tow the line is what trawlers do, perhaps Gavin Williamson can explain, after all he is a genius and better than any foreign education secretary.
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04/12/2020 11:39:44 0 1
bbc
"tow the line"
tick

"are regarding as acceptable"
tick

"BBC" blah blah "HYS" bias moan blah blah
tick

knuckle dragger brexiteer credentials confirmed
5
04/12/2020 11:22:49 922 312
bbc
I suppose we are exactly where Brexiteers expected us to be. After all, you knew exactly what you voted for. Your baby is about to be delivered.

So let's have no snivelling about EU intransigence, no blaming "Remoaners", no deflections about your perceived "BBC bias". Be positive. Tell us about the benefits of ending global free trade in favour of WTO tariffs, and life on the Sunlit Uplands.....
57
04/12/2020 11:27:56 66 194
bbc
Actually the baby was delivered on 31st January this year i.e when what was promised was delivered - we left the EU

And the baby seems to be doing very well - no emergency budgets, food riots, collapsed pound, millions unemployed, rising prices or worls war three, all of which were PROMISED by the Remoaners the day after we voted to leave
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04/12/2020 11:41:06 136 27
bbc
So if there are food shortages, you'll gladly let remainers have first dibs (since they didn't vote for this).
If there is a tax shortage because of a collapsed £, you'll pay up first.
If there are job losses, you'll volunteer first.
If there are price rises, these will apply to Brexiteers first.
.....If you're so sure none of these will be a problem, you would logically agree.
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04/12/2020 11:44:04 18 40
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We are out 1 of January see how good it is this time next year
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04/12/2020 11:45:53 97 16
bbc
I think you're referring to 'Project Fear' which Leave made up to con folks like yourself.

The end of this year is the real Brext, when we ACTUALLY leave.
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xlr
04/12/2020 11:48:30 24 15
bbc
Retailers say shelves will be empty for at least a month after January, deal or no deal.

You'll see your food riots then.
501
04/12/2020 11:49:52 13 3
bbc
So presumably you would be happy for the transition period to continue indefinitely?
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04/12/2020 11:49:55 41 8
bbc
The £££ dropped the day after the vote to leave and hasnt recovered.. check it for yourself.
You do also realise that nothing changed because we are in the transitional period.
Come 1.1.21 the poor brexit baby will be chucked out with the EU bathwater....
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04/12/2020 11:55:38 30 6
bbc
"And the baby seems to be doing very well - no emergency budgets, food riots, collapsed pound"

You do know that nothing actually changes until the end of the transition period, right?
04/12/2020 12:12:07 9 2
bbc
That's because we still follow the rules of the EU. Next month, though, ...
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04/12/2020 11:26:33 358 97
bbc
“The easiest deal in human history”: Liam Fox, 20/07/2017.

Leavers: ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated?
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RW
04/12/2020 11:27:58 137 301
bbc
Nope. Ever going to stop whinging?
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04/12/2020 11:30:29 63 13
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I’m not whinging mate. I’m simply proud that I wasn’t fooled and cheated out of my vote by these shysters to enable them to plunder public funds. I’d be ashamed of myself if I had. :)
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04/12/2020 11:36:34 11 9
bbc
Nope.
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04/12/2020 11:37:08 27 4
bbc
You prefer liars then?
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04/12/2020 12:11:39 7 1
bbc
Questioning the suitability of negotiators that are determining the future of our country is whinging? We should just doff our caps and let our “betters” get on with it? Because they have our best interests at heart? Interesting.
04/12/2020 12:31:29 4 2
bbc
Not until the enemy can justify the loss of our EU citizenship with factual benefits. You won, get over it snowflake.
04/12/2020 12:33:37 8 3
bbc
yeah, i will carry on whinging, its brexiteers fault that we are going to be poorer financially
04/12/2020 13:00:07 5 2
bbc
Brexiteers has whinged about joining the EEC since 1973 and this, it turns out, was largely baseless.

We feel equally entitled to whinge though i suspect with a lot more basis than Brexiteers did.
04/12/2020 13:10:55 2 1
bbc
You were lied, seems like your a brexit lemming, go jump off your cliff.

We wont follow
04/12/2020 13:18:26 2 0
bbc
Nope. I will never stop to point out the shortcomings of Brexit when they occur. About time Leavers took responsibility for their actions. I'm told this comes with sovereignty...
04/12/2020 13:37:41 0 0
bbc
After you. berxit is for tory mugs.
04/12/2020 13:40:09 0 0
bbc
Nope, never can have cause to.
04/12/2020 13:46:29 1 0
bbc
Nope. Ever going to stop pretending all these Brexit benefits you Leavers keep touting actually exist?
ET
04/12/2020 13:54:03 0 0
bbc
Holy smoke. You think Fox was telling the truth? I suppose you think Trump won too.
I thought the super idiots were over there, I didn’t realise until this post, that they’re here too. ??
04/12/2020 14:03:33 0 0
bbc
That's probably a indication of your (lack of) self awareness as opposed to reality, you do get that, right?
04/12/2020 14:03:51 0 0
bbc
Nope. Not while Brexit traitors are trying to destrory this country.
04/12/2020 14:08:45 2 0
bbc
You've been done up like a kipper and you know it.
When you finally admit this , it will be like having a huge weight removed from your shoulders.
04/12/2020 14:33:17 2 0
bbc
How is pointing out that an elected official lied, and the current bunch of self-serving twonks couldn't negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag, whinging?
04/12/2020 14:45:33 0 0
bbc
cos u r either 2 thick to see it or 2 stubborn to admit it
04/12/2020 15:09:57 0 0
bbc
So you winning the vote means no one can ever say why they think it was a stupid idea - is that democracy, or Stalinism?
04/12/2020 15:18:34 0 0
bbc
Nope ever, engaged brain?
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04/12/2020 11:26:33 358 97
bbc
“The easiest deal in human history”: Liam Fox, 20/07/2017.

Leavers: ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated?
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04/12/2020 11:27:58 15 25
bbc
No
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04/12/2020 11:25:30 6 11
bbc
I am surprised that there will be a no deal.
If only the clock could be turned back.
You can always just do your own.
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04/12/2020 11:25:49 90 35
bbc
I'm sure the rest of the UK are absolutely delighted that Brexiteers are putting the interests of their fishermen before anything else.

Remind me again what % of the UK economy is based on fishing...
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04/12/2020 11:28:03 18 17
bbc
Remind me again why we should let foreign vessels plunder our national waters without paying for it?
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04/12/2020 11:32:55 23 6
bbc
Nobody is plundering anything. If you stopped using emotive child-like terms straight out of the tabloids you might be taken seriously.

All fishing quotas were agreed between independent nations.
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04/12/2020 11:39:16 14 3
bbc
Remind me why a large majority of our fishing quota was sold off by British fishers?
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04/12/2020 11:42:12 11 3
bbc
Plunder? The UK agreed to the fishing quotas. There was no force. It was a choice.

Even with the fishing allotment we have, we sell the vast majority to foreign companies anyway.

Stop using silly emotional tabloid arguments and do some of your own critical thinking.
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04/12/2020 11:48:24 11 3
bbc
80% of Welsh fishing quotas were sold to French, Portugese and Spanish companies. That is nothing to do with the EU and any plundering. If you want to blame anyone, blame those who sold their quotas (like Gove's dad)
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04/12/2020 11:54:09 3 3
bbc
Because we've shared those waters for over 40 years and the French have invested heavily in a fishing industry which can fish in EU waters, if we're taking away those waters will we pay compensation?
04/12/2020 13:36:30 3 0
bbc
The fish are of far lower value to us if we don't get a deal and tariffs are imposed.
These tariffs will also damage far more of our food exports than fish.
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04/12/2020 11:28:04 123 47
bbc
In 5 years time we'll all be wondering what all the fuss was about. Something will be cobbled together this weekend, no-one will like it but everyone will claim victory. That's how things work
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04/12/2020 11:29:32 78 9
bbc
Unfortunately, I believe you are probably closer to reality than many of us would like to admit.
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xlr
04/12/2020 11:56:08 7 5
bbc
Or there will be no agreement and 2021 will be marked with high food prices, empty shelves and unemployment.

To be honest, this "don't worry, it'll be fine" attitude prevalent in many is becoming a bit scary in itself. It isn't always fine. Sometimes very bad things happen and countries never make it back out of them.
04/12/2020 12:33:32 5 12
bbc
In five years time, the enemy will be trying to deny voting for it (shame we have evidence), the country will be on its knees and begging to get back into the EU. Civil unrest more than likely
04/12/2020 13:12:22 3 2
bbc
I think there is much in what you say.......but I have a nagging feeling that in five years time Barnier and Frost could be still negotiating, with both UK and EU....saying "This is the final deadline....yes it is...trust us .....once Covid 24 is out of the way....." Meanwhile Trump is looking forward to his inauguration and Putin begins another term in office.
04/12/2020 13:22:15 2 3
bbc
And if it goes pear shaped will you be bailing everyone out?? thought not. Stupid comment, you cannot possibly know.
04/12/2020 13:22:56 6 3
bbc
true but it won't be to the satisfaction of rabid Gammons who will think it is some sort of sell out to St George, Henry VIII, Churchill and Boudica
04/12/2020 14:30:10 2 1
bbc
You are an optomist.
04/12/2020 14:43:57 2 2
bbc
"In 5 years time we'll all be wondering what all the fuss was about."

In 5 years time, Brexit will have cost more than the entirety of Covid so far, and will continue to do so for the next decade!

Not my opinion, but that of the government, the BoE and LSE!
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04/12/2020 11:28:13 14 18
bbc
No deal would be fine, Take back control over our sovereign territory including our fisheries. If the EU agree to that then a deal is ok. If not make sure the French trawlers are not allowed to fish in our waters.
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04/12/2020 11:29:47 6 2
bbc
the world runs on diplomacy not threats
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04/12/2020 11:33:48 0 1
bbc
And how would we do that genius? With more admirals than vessels the RN isn't up to the job. Not to mention the fact that it is not just French trawlers, but Dutch, Belgian, Spanish, Irish, Norwegian.......Get a grip and understand that sovereignty means nothing if you can't enforce it.
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04/12/2020 11:35:29 1 2
bbc
load of racist bs
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04/12/2020 11:28:33 165 34
bbc
Oven ready turkey anyone? Bunter and his brexiteer zealots want a no deal Brexit despite the catastrophic damage it will do this country's economy for decades to come. But as Gavin Williamson has said " we are better than everyone else" so that's ok then.
04/12/2020 12:17:11 107 26
bbc
Better at what exactly?

If this pandemic has shown anything it's that we really are a bit of a shambles in comparison to most other countries.
04/12/2020 12:37:10 12 1
bbc
Gavin Williamson must know since he is sooooooooo good at his job, better than any education secretary in any of those 27 countries of forinners.
04/12/2020 13:42:30 3 8
bbc
we are much better than the e.u. they can"t agree to use the vaccine.
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04/12/2020 11:28:35 5 7
bbc
Trump will go, Biden is from the Irish root and made it clear he dislike UK not to sign a deal with EU and put a hard border in NI

Dear EU, good timing to screw UK up ?
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04/12/2020 11:28:36 238 59
bbc
The UK holds the dubious record for a country that started the process with a gold plated free trade deal only to erect barriers at a time it can least afford to, how crazy is that?
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04/12/2020 12:08:33 127 33
bbc
Crazier than a being spanked with a sack of rum-soaked pandas. Welcome to Brexit Britain, we've only just got started.
04/12/2020 12:39:03 3 0
bbc
Must be World Beating.
04/12/2020 12:45:20 2 7
bbc
How was our trade deal gold-plated? We paid tens of billions of pounds each year to be in the EU!
04/12/2020 13:29:37 0 5
bbc
Started the process in an undemocratic straight-jacket ended free to do what we want
04/12/2020 13:40:19 1 9
bbc
we do not want immigrants sponging on our healh system
04/12/2020 14:20:57 5 0
bbc
Gove+ Hubrism + His Daily Mail wife = Disaster
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04/12/2020 11:28:37 307 65
bbc
When people vote for an over-promoted fireplace shop manager, just because he says we’re better than everyone else, you know we’re in trouble.
04/12/2020 12:57:01 94 119
bbc
And the alternative to Boris was who, oh yes Corbyn and Abbot now there’s a duo.
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04/12/2020 11:23:45 152 53
bbc
No deal is not what they voted for, our government needs to get a grip and stop selling us down the river with fish as an excuse.
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04/12/2020 11:28:38 57 111
bbc
we voted no deal and im a remainer
Really?

Paul Nuttal: "It will be so easy to negotiate a trade deal, and of course, it's in the European Union's interest, just as it is in ours"

Gerard Batten "A trade deal with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee"

David Davis: "You can be sure there will be a deal"

Boris Johnson: "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal"
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04/12/2020 11:45:14 20 4
bbc
no one has ever voted no deal as it was never put up for an election. you can argue that 97% of people that voted, voted for a deal or confirmatory referendum as that was on the manifestos of all the parties receiving votes in the last election except the brexit party...
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VoR
04/12/2020 11:58:46 16 2
bbc
Thanks for making such an implausible statement that, together with your handle, looks like evidence that you are a troll. No remainer is likely to believe that the vote was for no deal, even if some leave voters supported it, because at the time the voters were repeatedly reassured that we would get a good deal. So why pose as one and use them handle, if not to create divisiveness?
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04/12/2020 11:59:24 13 2
bbc
did we?
perhaps you should check.
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04/12/2020 12:02:43 16 2
bbc
this is rubbish, we were told we would get a deal, look it up
04/12/2020 12:30:41 4 1
bbc
Don’t recall seeing that on a ballot paper or in any party manifesto
04/12/2020 12:31:35 5 1
bbc
i did not vote no deal and i am a leaver
04/12/2020 12:38:54 0 2
bbc
Hard luck then
04/12/2020 13:39:29 3 0
bbc
I didn't - another remainer.
04/12/2020 13:47:20 4 0
bbc
Not really.

No deal wasn't on the ballot. It was simply a question of whether to leave with no future relationship considered

Or if you're talking about the campaigns, nearly every prominent Brexiteer campaigned on the basis of a deal. In fact, most tried to convince the public leaving without one wasn't a realistic possibility. How many times did we hear "German car makers, French wines"?
04/12/2020 16:06:39 1 0
bbc
I doubt you're a remainer. During the referendum no leaver was talking about us leaving without a deal. Another Brexit promise that looks like it's about to bite the dust.

Brexit was built on a bed of lies. For that reason, it'll never last. It's only matter of time before we're negotiating with the EU to rejoin.
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04/12/2020 11:28:39 466 175
bbc
Still struggling to see any tangible benefits to Brexit.....
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04/12/2020 11:34:11 128 251
bbc
You can not prove something that has not happened. It's fascile to ask that some one does.
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04/12/2020 12:00:33 15 34
bbc
If only everyone had stuck to what it was originally supposed to be for - A COMMON MARKET - not to take over this countries laws etc
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04/12/2020 12:07:45 12 37
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After over 40years of membership the majority of Brits could find no reason to continue Membership of the EU especially as it becomes ever more intertwined into an empire.
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04/12/2020 12:08:22 7 23
bbc
I suspect you struggle with a lot of things if you are that blinkered.
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04/12/2020 12:09:16 12 35
bbc
The ability to set our own laws.
No contribution to EU funds that are wasted, example propping up inefficient farmers.
Free to trade with every other country in the world on terms that are mutually beneficial.
Freedom to set our immigration policy and deport criminals without being over ruled by the European Court
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04/12/2020 12:10:34 20 8
bbc
Try getting any two Brexiteers to agree what they expected from Brexit and you won't be able to
04/12/2020 12:17:53 4 1
bbc
sovereignty isn't tangible.
04/12/2020 12:33:56 3 13
bbc
we have the covid vaccine tested and approved before EU could clear it ...thats a start or are you forgeting that already
04/12/2020 12:39:20 2 6
bbc
Brexit has not started yet.
04/12/2020 12:40:48 0 12
bbc
You should have stopped at "still struggling". If you can't see the benefits then there's no point in pretending you're a responsible adult.
04/12/2020 12:45:14 0 2
bbc
Look at it this way " what does not kill you makes you
stronger."
Friedrich Nietzsche , German Philosopher
04/12/2020 13:09:46 4 0
bbc
Stop struggling, there arent any benefits
04/12/2020 13:13:58 0 5
bbc
then go back to college and learn economics
04/12/2020 13:16:52 0 1
bbc
Oh bore off maybe brexiteers know that no matter what facts they say people like you wont listen cause of your elitism. One of many reasons I voted Leave and to this day you still ain't learnt and changed.
04/12/2020 13:29:18 1 0
bbc
There are none, at least not for us. But Russia and China are reaping lots. Divide the democracies into useless states fighting amongst themselves. Brexit, Trump etc., is the long game of the demagogues who hate our freedoms.
04/12/2020 13:37:10 0 2
bbc
You obviously haven't heard of democracy .
04/12/2020 13:57:39 0 0
bbc
If your investment horizon is only a couple of years then I agree - there is no real short term benefit to Brexit. If you have a longer term investment horizon then there are limitless opportunities some of which are apparent now and some of which are not to the average member of the public.
The negativity felt by people is in my experience directly linked to the shortness of their future vision
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04/12/2020 11:23:38 924 157
bbc
The Business Secretary sent me a nice email to say that he's heard that there's some big event happening on 1.1.21 and that my business should be prepared.

But he can't tell me any details. Because he doesn't know. Even now.

Sums it up.
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04/12/2020 11:28:44 135 777
bbc
A general election would see a landslide Labour win, but then everything would be worse.
It seems we have generation self self self.
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04/12/2020 11:34:37 143 55
bbc
why would everything be wore ? Could it be due to a right-wing controlled media, you are told its worse ?
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04/12/2020 11:34:50 115 18
bbc
A lot of people said the same about a Labour win before the last GE. That didn't quite go to plan....
Labour would make it worse, then you say we have a generation of "self self self" - which is the Tory mantra.
NOBODY could make it worse than the current lot you voted for...self self self.

Are you a confused gammon?
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04/12/2020 11:38:41 49 7
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I'm not so sure that's true to be honest. I suspect if there were to be a GE soon, it would be very tight whoever won.
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04/12/2020 11:39:50 131 13
bbc
10 years in power, and that's still the best you guys can do? "Bu...but....if Labour...."
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04/12/2020 11:40:51 89 46
bbc
You wont see Labour in charge for a long long time.
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04/12/2020 11:42:16 53 12
bbc
We do indeed - that's why we have Brexit. By the selfish for the selfish
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04/12/2020 11:42:45 27 64
bbc
Not now it wouldn't. People voted for Boris for a reason, and it wasn't just anti-Corbyn, it was a firm "you represent us, get on with it" after 3 and a half years of parliament dilly-dallying and blocking the UK's exit from the EU. Working class people (and many others) ensured their voices were heard by voting for the man who promised to do what they asked. For his many failings, he is doing it.
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04/12/2020 11:43:04 11 6
bbc
How would youknow that - they have no manifesto and no policy at present - just a base of principle aims and objectives
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04/12/2020 11:43:06 46 15
bbc
Nothing would be worse than this lot of incompetents & lining of their buddies pockets. We can see their ineptness, by what's happened with COVID & Brexit. (and a few other things) Their record speaks for itself. Only the Express seems to slavishly support them now. Labour seem to have a decent leader in Starmer, much like Blair in 97 (when I noticed much better facilities at daughter's school)
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04/12/2020 11:43:55 29 4
bbc
World beating whataboutery
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04/12/2020 11:36:12 19 10
bbc
It can't possibly be worse, the worse thing before this lot was Thatcher
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04/12/2020 11:44:21 20 8
bbc
Do you really think that a caring government under the present leadership would be any worse than the self serving uncaring mob under BoJo. You obviously support Trump as well.
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04/12/2020 11:45:16 3 7
bbc
Lets ask the fish what they think ? If the fish prefer to be British fish thats their right. Monsier poisson can had to France.
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xlr
04/12/2020 11:47:11 40 10
bbc
Last time I had any cash in my pocket we had a Labour government. Since then I've had unstable work and low wage and my phone, clothes and furniture haven't been changed since then.

And going by this total mess of a Brexit process, the Tories are still up to their old tricks - making me poorer and their buddies richer.
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04/12/2020 11:49:34 3 2
bbc
Maybe I'm even less clever because I've no idea what you're talking about.
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04/12/2020 11:50:38 6 12
bbc
Labour Landslide - Pfff ... Don't think so, mate.

Many people can still see the disgrace of Corbyn's legacy and Starmer has yet to recalibrate the opposition. Labours contributions this year have been minimal - and I (even as a potential "New Labour" voter) still see them as just complaining and being negative on the fringes.
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04/12/2020 11:51:37 4 6
bbc
I would not be so sure about that Labour landslide. Current Labour are just right-wing Tories in disguise under Keir Starmer's lead and have already ripped more into the kinder more compassionate parts of the party than they've ripped into the opposition. I voted Labour at the last election because they had a positive message & real workable, considerate ideas. I won't be voting for this Labour.
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04/12/2020 11:53:31 3 10
bbc
it might and then we'd be left with a goverment who think its an honourable course of action to abstain on a vote the will see jobs lost and peoples liberties eroded and could have been prevented with even the threat of a no vote. This policies of this goverment are rubbish but at least it has some
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04/12/2020 11:54:57 5 10
bbc
What fantasy world are you living in. Labour would get hammered again.
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04/12/2020 11:26:33 358 97
bbc
“The easiest deal in human history”: Liam Fox, 20/07/2017.

Leavers: ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated?
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04/12/2020 11:28:45 12 40
bbc
Remoaners - every have the feeling that you have lost, twice?
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04/12/2020 11:32:39 36 8
bbc
Once - if you are referring to the December election that was run under different rules. If it had been a referendum as per 2016 the leave vote would have been destroyed.
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04/12/2020 11:28:46 25 16
bbc
Step back for a minute. Is fishing as important as the other 99.8% of the economy? No. Does the UK want to break level playing field rules it helped set up? No electable political party in the last 40 years has, so it's likely not something we want sacrifice hundreds of thousands of businesses and jobs for. Is it really an indignity for trade conducted with Europe to be ruled on by its courts? No.
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04/12/2020 11:33:07 11 8
bbc
As someone who grew up in those communities where fishing supported them yes it is. It used to be greater than 0.1% and it should be now. If you think it is of no importance why not ask France and Spain to drop their claim to our fishing reserves.
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04/12/2020 11:33:15 0 5
bbc
Yes it is an indignity for EU courts to have the final say on British sovereign rights.
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04/12/2020 11:30:33 0 3
bbc
Totally off the mark.
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04/12/2020 11:25:30 506 189
bbc
So a sector that accounts for 0.02% of the UK economy is holding the negotiations hostage, sums up the futility of Brexit!
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04/12/2020 11:28:47 413 151
bbc
And the stupidity of Boris who backed himself into a corner over fishing! History will not judge him kindly!??
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04/12/2020 11:35:16 52 18
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The Bozo is most useless PM in British history.. that's all he will be remembered for.
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04/12/2020 11:37:58 12 9
bbc
Why on earth would we want control of our own waters as an Island nation? You’d have to be mad to make such demands.....
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04/12/2020 11:46:01 3 1
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I don't think he's currently judged as positive even
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04/12/2020 12:04:09 3 7
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It will judge him as the PM who stood up to the EU and recovered UK sovereignty, something you lot would give up in a heartbeat because you think you need the glorious EU to survive. Truly pathetic.
04/12/2020 12:14:19 2 5
bbc
Fishing is NOT the issue. It is the EU demand to control our state aid and have their kangaroo court police it.
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04/12/2020 13:10:07 2 1
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if boris sells the fisherman out he will not be pm and he will betray all the northern and midland seats who voted for a clean break from the corrupt E.U.
04/12/2020 13:43:54 0 1
bbc
Fishing is a primary industry, Removing fishing from a town has the same effect as closing a coal mine; the whole local economy collapses. It's worth far more than the headline figure of fish sales. It looks like the EU want to find this out the hard way though.
04/12/2020 13:45:54 1 0
bbc
Amazing that you think the UK is 'in a corner' when it's the EU that's begging us for a better fishing deal in UK waters.
Without the deal, they can't touch one fish without our say so........that's half a billion pounds worth of fish to EU fisherman!! They are going to lose big time.
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04/12/2020 11:27:12 13 18
bbc
Standard EU negotiating tactics. Agree on everything then at the 11th hour throw in some ridiculous demand and hope the other have no choice but to accept. Fatal error is underestimating Britain’s reaction to these bully boy tactics. They can stick it - no deal.
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04/12/2020 11:28:51 10 3
bbc
BoJo could always renege on his commitments.

He's done it before & no doubt will do it again.
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04/12/2020 11:29:00 4 5
bbc
The UK and EU should just say today on these points we will move to here and if neither said is happy with that then cancel the talks at 5pm tonight and say okay thanks but no thanks then on the 1st January we operate on WTO rules.

Least then we have nearly 4 weeks to prepare as best we can.
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04/12/2020 11:42:17 1 0
bbc
Boris has to keep up the pretences of trying to get a deal because when the insider trading takes place and they all make a fortune he can say he tried.
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04/12/2020 11:29:05 53 12
bbc
Given that no deal is what Boris, Gove and the Tory right wing want, it looks like the talks are going to plan. And the EU will get the blame - the Daily Express is already dutifully singing from that hymn-sheet with its story that the EU has tabled fresh demands.
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04/12/2020 11:39:43 14 7
bbc
Then Johnson will claim via his paid off scientists that we all have to go into a long lockdown during the chaos and disruption of the Brexit transition period no doubt
04/12/2020 13:47:42 0 3
bbc
its the E.U. who don"t want a deal
27
04/12/2020 11:25:49 90 35
bbc
I'm sure the rest of the UK are absolutely delighted that Brexiteers are putting the interests of their fishermen before anything else.

Remind me again what % of the UK economy is based on fishing...
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04/12/2020 11:29:13 3 10
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The fish argument is like 2 neighbours arguing over 6 inches of land and spending thousands on legal costs to try and resolve it. Neither side can back down at this stage without losing face so both will likely continue to dig their heels in
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04/12/2020 11:22:42 56 45
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I'm sure that the rest of the EU are absolutely delighted that the French are putting the interests of their fishermen before everyone else

I know I am!

Merci, Monsieur Macron
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04/12/2020 11:29:27 17 7
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Fishing is completely inconsequential to the UK in both employment and GDP.

It must not be used as an excuse for a failure to get an agreement. It is a failure of those who are negotiating!
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04/12/2020 11:34:03 12 5
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Tell that to the people living in and around the fishing ports.....
Fishing is even more inconsequential to the EU in employment and GDP.
However, it is very consequential, politically, to both sides.
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04/12/2020 11:38:09 4 3
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Perhaps you could tell us all how much of the EU GDP the French fishing industry contributes, or is that 'different' somehow?
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04/12/2020 11:39:20 3 11
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The UK a fishing industry was destroyed by the EU... who import more UK fish than we consume. Go figure why it’s so important to the UK
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jon
04/12/2020 11:21:39 90 56
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It’s all part of the expected drama with Ireland stuck in the middle. Macron needs to sell a deal to a disillusioned electorate. Boris needs to retain the trust of Brexiteers’ notably in the red wall regions and avoid a sell-out on sovereignty. We can compromise on human rights but must never be tied to the EU in perpetuity.
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04/12/2020 11:29:27 129 35
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He couldn't care less about the red wall.....it's the ERG he's scared of.....as are all conservative PM's.
04/12/2020 12:20:04 12 2
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It's a bit like in the States where traditional "Lincoln" Republicans now have to keep their heads down in a party that has been taken over by the lunatic Tea Party, Trump supporting 'Christian' evangelist wing of the party.
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04/12/2020 11:29:28 13 11
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Own it brexiteers! You knew what you were voting for after all and none of you did it because you were racists either. Keep relying on social media and the Daily Heil for your news as well.
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04/12/2020 11:32:13 0 1
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Keep throwing baseless racism accusations around and eventually they lose meaning.
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04/12/2020 11:29:29 9 13
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Only when going through a messy divorce, do you realise how bad the marriage was in the first place.
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04/12/2020 11:33:58 6 2
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Only when the guy finds himself all alone, penniless in a dingy one-room bedsit, paying alimony and without friends does he realise that walking out that day for his orange-haired mistress wasn't a great idea. And now she's gone too.
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04/12/2020 11:26:33 358 97
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“The easiest deal in human history”: Liam Fox, 20/07/2017.

Leavers: ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated?
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04/12/2020 11:29:32 11 32
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Stupid comment. It takes two in a negotiation & the EU will self harm rather than give ground.
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04/12/2020 11:28:04 123 47
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In 5 years time we'll all be wondering what all the fuss was about. Something will be cobbled together this weekend, no-one will like it but everyone will claim victory. That's how things work
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04/12/2020 11:29:32 78 9
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Unfortunately, I believe you are probably closer to reality than many of us would like to admit.
04/12/2020 12:32:30 7 2
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I think you are right. I have Brexiteer friends (intelligent as well, amazingly) and they believe in the 'cobbled together' theory.
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04/12/2020 11:29:35 44 6
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But don't we hold all the cards?
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04/12/2020 11:32:21 42 8
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Redundancy cards, yes.
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04/12/2020 11:34:20 5 0
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No, that was another Brexit lie!??
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04/12/2020 11:25:26 3 7
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A failure to get an agreement after so many promises would simply be incompetence built upon lies.

Inevitably each side will blame each other - but they would both be equally culpable.
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04/12/2020 11:29:44 1 1
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Except that the EU didn't the make ridiculous promises that Boris & his leave cronies did!??
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04/12/2020 11:29:45 11 11
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For Cods sake. It’s our plaice to tell Barnier to stick it up his John Dory
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04/12/2020 11:28:13 14 18
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No deal would be fine, Take back control over our sovereign territory including our fisheries. If the EU agree to that then a deal is ok. If not make sure the French trawlers are not allowed to fish in our waters.
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04/12/2020 11:29:47 6 2
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the world runs on diplomacy not threats
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04/12/2020 11:34:11 1 1
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Maybe you should tell the EU? They seem to use threats all the time to get what they want.
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04/12/2020 11:34:34 1 0
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If only that was true......
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04/12/2020 11:34:55 2 0
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Tell that to China and Russia.
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04/12/2020 11:30:00 5 2
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It was always going to be the French who said "non" in these negotiations. De Gaulle vetoed the UK joining the EEC twice in the 1960's because he wanted the EEC to be built in France's image (which is was) and not have perfidious Albion interfering with ideas for an Anglo-Saxon model. Now it's Macron''s turn to play awkward when the UK is leaving.

Plus ca change!
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CJR
04/12/2020 11:34:38 1 3
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Pity he did not keep doing it, then we would never have been in this sorry mess.
We have never fitted in with Europe,
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Tex
04/12/2020 11:30:00 5 14
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This was only to be expected from the dicatatorial autocratice EU. Unfortunately it thinks it owns the whole of Europe.
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04/12/2020 11:36:41 5 0
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I don't even know where to begin to answer your post. All I can say is....What????
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04/12/2020 11:54:27 0 0
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If it was expected why was it not i the vote leave publicly?
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04/12/2020 11:30:02 44 10
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Amazing how many people haven't been paying attention. They think we are regaining the sovereignty we never lost . Even David Davis, in his Brexit White Paper, admitted it was all about perception and not reality. Brexiters continuing to harm Britain rather than accepting they were conned. Easier to claim they are being bullied than admit incompetence.
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04/12/2020 11:30:17 15 8
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So here we are 3.5 years later from a pointless referendum with a position that nobody wanted and nobody voted for (before you write back - oh no you didn’t it wasn’t on the ballot paper) let us not ever forget it was the Tory party that sacrificed the Union and national prosperity for the sake of power. They are an incompetent disgrace
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04/12/2020 11:32:27 0 0
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It’s worse than that - 4.5 years!
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04/12/2020 11:35:34 0 0
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Thought Christmas pantos were off this year.
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04/12/2020 11:37:51 0 0
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Yep. I hope David Cameron is hiding his head in shame.
Never mind. It was worth a try.

As long as UK sovereignty is returned all will be well.
Of course we see from the Pfizer vaccine pre-order and approval that there's a clear benefit to collaborating internationally as well as working indpendently to serve the best interest of the people.
The EU waffle-athon is now open.

Line up to post derogatory remarks against who ever you like so long as you tow the line and don't insult the EU.

All insults against the UK are regarding as acceptable providing the term idiot, useless and pathetic is included.

BBC will monitor this HYS to ensure its sufficiently anti UK and anti Tory.
Removed
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04/12/2020 11:30:22 2 1
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Toe the line I think you mean....tow the line is what trawlers do, perhaps Gavin Williamson can explain, after all he is a genius and better than any foreign education secretary.
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RW
04/12/2020 11:27:58 137 301
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Nope. Ever going to stop whinging?
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04/12/2020 11:30:29 63 13
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I’m not whinging mate. I’m simply proud that I wasn’t fooled and cheated out of my vote by these shysters to enable them to plunder public funds. I’d be ashamed of myself if I had. :)
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04/12/2020 11:26:33 358 97
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“The easiest deal in human history”: Liam Fox, 20/07/2017.

Leavers: ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated?
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04/12/2020 11:30:38 3 11
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Can you name a trade deal that has been easier than this one?
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04/12/2020 11:30:39 262 61
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Just a few more days till Nigel, Jacob, Aaron, Boris... ERG etc make a fortune.

Ruining the UK for private gain.
04/12/2020 12:28:19 136 24
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Given that Rees-Mogg Snr. literally wrote the book on disaster capitalism - yes, yes they will.

They will have positioned their assets in the most tax advantageous locations and will reap the rewards of any market disruption caused by Brexit.
04/12/2020 12:48:27 30 2
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The two REAL reasons for Brexit :-

Personal profiteering by the ERG, and protecting the tax haven gateway for international money laundering.

The only thing that still surprises me is how easily a small group of insanely greedy people can destroy an entire country for their own profit.

.. and not just ANY country, but Great Britain itself !!

If you don't get this yet, there really is no hope !
04/12/2020 13:38:40 2 20
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what a load of of rubbish
04/12/2020 14:25:08 1 10
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Type up some proof about that and I will agree with you or stop trolling
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04/12/2020 11:30:42 1 2
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Resolve all outstanding issues by giving each negotiator a large bag of "Management Fudge".
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04/12/2020 11:25:30 506 189
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So a sector that accounts for 0.02% of the UK economy is holding the negotiations hostage, sums up the futility of Brexit!
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04/12/2020 11:30:43 34 10
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That same sector accounts for even less of the EU economy.
Try to see the situation from both sides. It takes two parties to make an agreement.
The fishing lobbies on both sides are punching above their weight. You can't blame them for it. That's politics.
Simply bashing the UK negotiators and shouting for the UK side to give way does not help the negotiations.
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jon
04/12/2020 11:21:39 90 56
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It’s all part of the expected drama with Ireland stuck in the middle. Macron needs to sell a deal to a disillusioned electorate. Boris needs to retain the trust of Brexiteers’ notably in the red wall regions and avoid a sell-out on sovereignty. We can compromise on human rights but must never be tied to the EU in perpetuity.
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04/12/2020 11:30:46 34 7
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Er Human rights is for the European Court of Human Rights (EHCR), nothing to do with the EU, in fact Churchill was involved in its instigation. Go away and look things up!!! Oh and we never lost our sovereignty anyway, the Govt said so itself in a white paper, you can look that up too!! Doh!!!
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04/12/2020 11:33:49 10 25
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we gave eu a blank rule book and had to follow whatever they wrote in it - MP's were largely rubber stampers to eu directives (LAW). And we paid for that trash too.
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04/12/2020 11:42:47 21 2
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And it was largely the Brits who drafted the Convention
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04/12/2020 11:23:15 17 44
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NO DEAL!!

WTO NOW!!

BREAK THE CHAINS!! PROSPER UK!!
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04/12/2020 11:30:51 3 1
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I suspect you haven't got a clue what WTR imply. Strange how only a tiny hand full of countries in the world actually rely on these rules.
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04/12/2020 11:45:19 1 4
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The WTO rules can not be any more restrictive on an individual country than EU rules are to its member states. The UK has more connections worldwide than any other EU nation, its partly why Covid-19 has affected the UK so badly, EU rules are a compromise to try and accommodate all 28 states. WTO rules are simply a loose framework to guide trade between nations. The UK will prosper under them.