Climate change: UK aim of 68% emissions cut a 'colossal challenge'
04/12/2020 | news | science | 830
The "ambitious" target for 2030 would see the UK move faster than any major economy, the PM says.
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04/12/2020 11:23:07 8 18
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Like banning petrol and Diesel cars. It's government fantasy once more.
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04/12/2020 11:32:48 8 5
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How is that fantasy. If you ban these cars, they become illegal and not any longer available, like other things that have been banned. It's perfectly feasible.
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04/12/2020 11:37:24 5 0
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On the same page as rail budget cuts...... Our Cart is miles in front of our Horse as usual. Build houses with proper Insulation and Solar panels.... apparently we produced these thing in Wales once, and were very good at it... but then we found that the Chinese could chuck tat out cheaper and we'd pay to ship it.. probably in massive container ships not all of which are eco friendly!
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04/12/2020 11:37:51 2 0
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You mean banning the sale of -new- petrol and diesel cars...

But I'm pretty sure you know that, and just want to sound scary, as opposed to living up to your user name.!
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04/12/2020 11:39:55 6 0
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Yeah - like banning leaded petrol and CFCs that never worked at all did it.

Oh, hang on.....
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04/12/2020 13:10:24 0 0
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Exactly, it's a fantasy if they are unwilling to invest in alternatives. We were told Pacers would be gone due to a law change at the start of 2020, but yet they continue to trundle round the South West, having only just been taken out of service in the North.
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04/12/2020 13:35:33 1 1
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There aren’t enough rare earths (even mining the oceans) to make the batteries for more than a 20% of the cars we need - so new battery tech needed fast or govt to come clean and tell us how many households can’t have a car
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04/12/2020 11:23:22 224 31
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The best way to combat climate change is to somehow end the effective ponzi scheme that is our world economy: infinite consumption of resources and increasing population (on a finite planet) is needed by the super-rich in control, to keep boosting their wealth at others’ expense.

This system is unsustainable, unjust and the big driver for both climate change and environmental destruction.
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04/12/2020 11:38:13 143 32
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Agreed. Why can we not have an open debate on increasing population?
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04/12/2020 12:36:22 18 12
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Oh look Boris set an unachievable target to get the headlines. Seen this before.
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04/12/2020 12:41:06 6 16
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Computers have decreased in size, energy requirements, materials used and VASTLY increased in output

Same has happened for everything

The concept you put forward is quite frankly totally removed from reality
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04/12/2020 12:47:31 15 2
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consumption/greed and increasing population isn't a fault solely of the super rich. Have you never seen the photos of people queuing to get into shops when the sales start. These are not the super rich. They are doing what humans are programmed to do. This is why humans will become extinct in time.
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04/12/2020 13:04:15 3 9
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If you are worried about the size of the population then lead from the front and leave the planet.
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04/12/2020 13:13:40 6 4
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Absolutely agree re vast over-population, it is the main driver of pollution, the user of to many/much natural resource and leads to the land and seas being used to extinction.
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04/12/2020 14:12:27 1 0
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great comment!
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05/12/2020 08:46:45 1 0
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So what would you suggest doing to change the world? We could adopt a regime similar to North Korea. Basically controlling the super rich to a few... and the rest to controlled squaller.
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05/12/2020 12:21:34 0 0
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You are quite right, infinite growth is impossible on a finite planet. This applies to population as well as business.
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05/12/2020 16:26:36 0 0
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Capitalism is not a ponzi scheme. It is the proletariat underclass who are doing all the breeding and consuming all the products and services delivered by capitalism.
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04/12/2020 11:24:16 31 11
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This is of course welcome news and it should be seen as an opportunity for the UK - to embrace and help develop new technologies that make this possible.

Problematically, Boris has shown himself to be completely untrustworthy so who knows if this will actually happen. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
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04/12/2020 13:21:27 8 13
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Criticize Boris. That's all you can do.
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04/12/2020 11:24:47 4 13
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The UK will aim to cut its carbon emissions by at least 68% of what they were in 1990 by the end of 2030, Boris Johnson has announced.

=HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bojo said lol, yeah, by 2050 UK can migrate to moon ?
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04/12/2020 11:29:05 7 2
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If you did some research you would see that we have already cut our emissions by 45% since 1990. It's totally within our reach.
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04/12/2020 11:49:35 2 0
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Using all those needless Ha's increased your carbon footprint HaHa.
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04/12/2020 11:24:48 14 7
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Thank you Carrie, you seem to have knocked some sense into Boris.

It is rare to see him grasp a difficult truth and apparently understand that waffle won't fix it. Perhaps COVID-19 has been a fast track lesson in dealing with facts.

Will real, sufficient and immediate action follow when he has to be brave and upset more than a few people..? Hmmm
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05/12/2020 01:15:58 1 0
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I hope so. Johnson still doesn't really get the magnitude of the climate problem, and seems to cave in to those calling for half-measures or quarter-measures against scientific advice, as seen with Covid.

But yes, cutting down on waffle(s) would be good for us all.
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04/12/2020 11:25:17 79 11
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Fine words. Now to back it up with actions.
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04/12/2020 11:42:18 44 56
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the UK has only one in a thousand people on this planet
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05/12/2020 15:43:33 0 0
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I look forward to seeing the loudest of green types giving up all their tech, stop buying new fashion clothes and gadgets, changing cars every 3 years, flights etc. Always come over as the worst of hypocrites to me, you know the ones who take lectures about oppression from prince and princess and multi millionaires they are funny ????
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04/12/2020 11:26:45 11 7
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Finite Planetary resources but unconstrained Human population growth.

The champions of Climate Emergency appear to be blind on this key issue.
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04/12/2020 11:31:23 0 1
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Yep, let's combat it by doing our best to stop a deadly pandemic ...
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04/12/2020 11:24:47 4 13
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The UK will aim to cut its carbon emissions by at least 68% of what they were in 1990 by the end of 2030, Boris Johnson has announced.

=HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bojo said lol, yeah, by 2050 UK can migrate to moon ?
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04/12/2020 11:29:05 7 2
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If you did some research you would see that we have already cut our emissions by 45% since 1990. It's totally within our reach.
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04/12/2020 11:41:31 0 4
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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04/12/2020 12:59:34 0 1
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please show me on the atmospheric co2 data where any reductions have been made?
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04/12/2020 11:29:40 11 7
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Letting Covid run through the population unchecked would probably have helped cut a lot of emissions in the long term....
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04/12/2020 11:35:24 5 2
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What a wonderful compassionate person you are!
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04/12/2020 13:05:40 1 1
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The eco fascists back on patrol again I see
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04/12/2020 11:30:44 37 27
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I hope all those stupid and pointless SUVs ARE forced off the road. It would make a welcome change to them forcing me (a cyclist) off the road because they take up so much bloody space!
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04/12/2020 11:44:45 30 16
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Why are cyclists always so angry. Does the Lycra chafe too much?
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04/12/2020 11:55:48 10 3
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Being selfish.

Are you one of those cyclists who ignore the cycle path 2m to their left, jump lights & are a danger?
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04/12/2020 13:08:03 3 3
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Bicycles are toys for children. Now what does that say about you Mc’tyke’?
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04/12/2020 13:56:14 3 1
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Easy to say but I’m hardly going to get my match fishing tackle to a muddy fishery in a Fiat 500, just because you’ve chosen a different hobby. I’m not anti cycling, but there is an element amongst cyclists with a holier than thow attitude like vegans who want you to think like them. It’s so irritating.
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04/12/2020 23:07:51 0 0
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Maybe where you live, but if you live in remote rural places with jobs involving having to go off road; where there's little or no public transport and it is 125 miles to a main hospital in all weathers, you might realise that for some people, they're practical essential vehicles.
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05/12/2020 13:44:02 0 0
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Someone call the whaaaambulance
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05/12/2020 19:35:33 0 0
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Hey CYCLIST!! do you pay raod tax? do you pay for insurance? NO so stfu
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04/12/2020 11:31:02 3 5
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"Prof Sir Brian Hoskins, told BBC News: “Mr Johnson’s target is ambitious – but we need action to back it up, right now. "

10 years to achieve all this seems practically impossible when the economy is facing the double whammy of covid and brexit. As Professor Hoskins states we need action right now. Lets get this in perspective, by end of each year we have to reduce our emissions by 7%.
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04/12/2020 11:36:19 5 1
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How did you work that out? The UK carbon emissions are already down 38% on 1990 levels so to get it down to 68% of 1990 levels it's a reduction of 3% per year, which isn't impossible with the right policies in place.
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04/12/2020 11:40:03 2 0
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The UK can benefit from this. We have huge natural resources for renewable energy and the knowhow to exploit it. If we get moving and invest in this before ridiculous projects like HS2, we can power ourselves and create a whole new industry exporting the equipment for others to do so as well.
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04/12/2020 11:53:57 1 0
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Emissions per capita are 25% from the peak in 1972. And yes pollution can & should come down further.
There is a practical limit of how fast we can go.
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04/12/2020 11:26:45 11 7
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Finite Planetary resources but unconstrained Human population growth.

The champions of Climate Emergency appear to be blind on this key issue.
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04/12/2020 11:31:23 0 1
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Yep, let's combat it by doing our best to stop a deadly pandemic ...
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04/12/2020 11:31:42 4 2
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This was already announced- and with an HYS - two days ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55164231

Johnson must be desperate for good news if he's announcing it again.

The targets are laudable if he sticks to his word, but that's a very big "if".
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04/12/2020 11:31:54 1 2
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Well all I can say is go for it. Dwr Cymru / Welsh Water who serve over 3 million people in Wales cut its carbon emissions by 79% between 2010 and 2019. This proves that with the right leadership, teams, investment, planning and implementation programme you can achieve huge reductions. This is also at a time when population and demands on resources grow.
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04/12/2020 11:32:29 2 4
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Changing to 'low-carbon heating' is definitely needed to achieve this, so why are British Gas and Worcester Bosch still allowed to advertise their new domestic gas boilers???
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04/12/2020 11:51:08 1 1
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Because gas heating will still be in use in 30 years time. Either as a green methane from bio digestors or mixed with hydrogen.

Just Green wash
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04/12/2020 11:53:43 2 0
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So where will all the heat pumps and solar units to replace them from next week come from?

Even BoJo might have enough sense to realise that you can't just say "Stop doing something now!" without a replacement scheme in place...
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04/12/2020 11:23:07 8 18
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Like banning petrol and Diesel cars. It's government fantasy once more.
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04/12/2020 11:32:48 8 5
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How is that fantasy. If you ban these cars, they become illegal and not any longer available, like other things that have been banned. It's perfectly feasible.
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04/12/2020 17:53:03 0 2
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And the majority of workers will be priced out of the market buying an green electric vehicle as a lot of people are already struggling to survive. What you are proposing is transport for the rich only very unfair.
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04/12/2020 11:33:11 7 11
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The Planet has been colder and hotter and life is still here.
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04/12/2020 12:16:43 1 0
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Life will still be here, but will we?
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04/12/2020 11:33:21 2 5
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All through my life we have been saving the planet, nothing changes as very little gets done. In fact, with an ever growing population it can only get worse.
Just accept inevitable extinction as we get closer and closer. Living and then death, thats what its all about.
Nobody lives forever and neither do planets.
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04/12/2020 12:29:01 1 0
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The fatalistic and defeatist view! Of course the planet will become uninhabitable eventually, but in that context (i.e. the whole of geological time), what has that got to do with putting right a short term problem that we have only just created?
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04/12/2020 11:33:26 71 8
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The one thing about a government target you can guarantee on......it will never be met!
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04/12/2020 11:41:05 37 2
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They might claim it has, only to find out they used a creative and illogical method of counting to try and fool people into believing it was a success
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04/12/2020 12:26:44 2 1
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hopefully this target will not be met because we face bankruptcy if it is
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04/12/2020 12:29:09 0 0
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"The one thing about a government target you can guarantee on......it will never be met!"

Well .. unless it is a budget. Then they will always beat expectations.

:-D
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04/12/2020 11:33:26 8 8
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Harping on about human population isn't helpful. There may be some merit in the argument but it's not a cure if as a species we continue to focus on always accumulating and wanting more. Is the population of the planet supposed to continually decrease so the remainder can survive on more and more?

The key is sustainability and lower emissions is good news
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04/12/2020 11:43:53 6 2
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It’s not an either or. Ultimately, sustainability has its limitations and can only be maintained by controlling the population. In my life time the world population has doubled and sustainable consumption cannot keep pace with that.
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04/12/2020 11:23:15 3 4
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Why stop at 68%?

Why not 70%

It’s like an Olympian saying they are aiming for a bronze medal.
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04/12/2020 11:29:40 11 7
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Letting Covid run through the population unchecked would probably have helped cut a lot of emissions in the long term....
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04/12/2020 11:35:24 5 2
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What a wonderful compassionate person you are!
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04/12/2020 11:39:10 0 4
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I've reported a few posts like this, these people need removing from HYS permanently
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04/12/2020 12:40:31 1 1
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My comment was no less compassionate than the comments from those that choose to ignore or deny climate change, which will have much more devastating effects on the population and the world.

I presume you will have also reported those comments.
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04/12/2020 11:35:55 14 3
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Apparently he will achieve a 10% reduction in emissions simply by banning all Covid19 HYS’s. Imagine all that clean air free from the toxic hot air, the brains of sensible people free of all the poisonous diatribe and groundless opinions of the conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer trolls.

Life is beautiful with thoughts like this.
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04/12/2020 11:36:01 1 1
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By 2030, it's not feasible. easy to get cars to switch to electric, but to replace gas for household heating will be difficult. You can't use hydrogen, and solar/heat exchangers are far too expensive at present and not as efficient - they won't keep you warm.
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04/12/2020 11:59:16 0 1
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Where there’s a will there’s a way. You seem to be discounting air source heat pumps and (see link below) blending of NG and hydrogen, well it’s a start. In engineering “there’s no such thing as a problem only opportunities” ??

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/green-hydrogen-in-natural-gas-pipelines-decarbonization-solution-or-pipe-dream
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04/12/2020 11:31:02 3 5
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"Prof Sir Brian Hoskins, told BBC News: “Mr Johnson’s target is ambitious – but we need action to back it up, right now. "

10 years to achieve all this seems practically impossible when the economy is facing the double whammy of covid and brexit. As Professor Hoskins states we need action right now. Lets get this in perspective, by end of each year we have to reduce our emissions by 7%.
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04/12/2020 11:36:19 5 1
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How did you work that out? The UK carbon emissions are already down 38% on 1990 levels so to get it down to 68% of 1990 levels it's a reduction of 3% per year, which isn't impossible with the right policies in place.
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04/12/2020 11:56:17 1 0
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You don't expect people to both read the article and do sums, do you? :-)

It'd be good for everyone if people did, though, wouldn't it...
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04/12/2020 11:36:45 1 1
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Anything is achievable, the question is at what cost.

Firstly there is changing the National mindset - it would be really useful to see what a household looks like living a high tech modern low carbon lifestyle- the advantages and compromises required.

Most people are thinking everyone else can change and I will carry on the same

We need to make clear the emotional buy in cost people face
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04/12/2020 11:36:59 5 5
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One thing is guaranteed - we'll have loads of people on here droning on about population (3rd world) - mainly as a deflection so they don't have to make adjustments to their consumption habits.

Yes, ideally we should aim to constrain population growth but a, it's politically unpalatable for govt's to determine who has kids, b, in the timescale we have it's essential to reduce consumption first.
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04/12/2020 11:23:07 8 18
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Like banning petrol and Diesel cars. It's government fantasy once more.
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04/12/2020 11:37:24 5 0
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On the same page as rail budget cuts...... Our Cart is miles in front of our Horse as usual. Build houses with proper Insulation and Solar panels.... apparently we produced these thing in Wales once, and were very good at it... but then we found that the Chinese could chuck tat out cheaper and we'd pay to ship it.. probably in massive container ships not all of which are eco friendly!
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04/12/2020 11:23:07 8 18
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Like banning petrol and Diesel cars. It's government fantasy once more.
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04/12/2020 11:37:51 2 0
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You mean banning the sale of -new- petrol and diesel cars...

But I'm pretty sure you know that, and just want to sound scary, as opposed to living up to your user name.!
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04/12/2020 11:23:22 224 31
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The best way to combat climate change is to somehow end the effective ponzi scheme that is our world economy: infinite consumption of resources and increasing population (on a finite planet) is needed by the super-rich in control, to keep boosting their wealth at others’ expense.

This system is unsustainable, unjust and the big driver for both climate change and environmental destruction.
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04/12/2020 11:38:13 143 32
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Agreed. Why can we not have an open debate on increasing population?
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04/12/2020 12:10:12 24 14
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Remember the so called ‘population problem’ isn’t just about babies being born. It’s also about us artificially living too long, propped up by healthcare. We need a new attitude to both life and more importantly death.
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04/12/2020 12:12:00 30 21
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World population is expected to level off around 9-10 billion. But actually, the best way to slow population growth is to support economic development and women's rights in poorer countries and stop relentlessly exploiting them through unfair debt and economic exchanges.

Given we just cut the foreign aid budget by billions this is clearly not a priority
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04/12/2020 12:37:48 13 36
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The greenies calling for a reduction in population always fail to see they only have 2 choices:

Forced reproductive control

Or

Genocide

The next big human cull will likely be by the greenies in the name of the environment.
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04/12/2020 13:00:14 10 5
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The fertility rate is already close to replacement (2.1) and still falling. It's a solved problem, it just takes decades for us to go over the curve and down the other side because people are living longer.

There isn't really any debate until you want to increase population or start fitting Logan's Run style timers to everyone.
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04/12/2020 13:04:02 6 4
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That's what we call eco-fascism. It's a false dichotomy, one that always ends up focusing on and degrading the poorest people, in the poorest places.
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04/12/2020 13:13:57 5 2
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It upsets the wokeists.
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04/12/2020 13:27:15 5 2
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Encourage people to have LESS CHILDREN. That means cutting family support and perhaps increasing taxation after one child. The world is over-populated by humans.
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04/12/2020 13:27:29 3 6
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You can, who's stopping you? Meanwhile this is not a population problem. It is a consumption problem. And since a small proportion of the population do almost all the consumption, that is where the actions have to start. Debate and deal with population issues as well, but we have to start with reducing unsustainable consumption.
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04/12/2020 13:57:41 3 4
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Population will peak at less than10B then reduce.
The western world will have a serious shortage of manpower in the next 30 years
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04/12/2020 14:17:45 3 1
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Remarkable the correlation in the names of those who are CC deniers & those who generally have far right-wing views.

Occasionally they'll switch their argument to over population. They usually cite Africa, but the problem is 10% of the world's population:

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/the-worlds-richest-people-also-emit-the-most-carbon

Don't fall for right-wing lies! The poor = small footprint!
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04/12/2020 17:34:11 0 0
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racist/sexist/genderist/cis-ist/trans-ist/****-ist
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05/12/2020 16:30:15 0 0
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Not that much to say really. The more people are educated, the fewer children they have. What do you want, enforced sterilsation of the unintelligent, uneducated. Sounds familiar.
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04/12/2020 11:35:24 5 2
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What a wonderful compassionate person you are!
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04/12/2020 11:39:10 0 4
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I've reported a few posts like this, these people need removing from HYS permanently
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04/12/2020 11:47:43 4 0
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just because it doesn't agree with your agenda does not mean it is not a valid opinion.
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04/12/2020 12:00:19 2 1
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GrandadMc opinion is the only one thats count ??
GrandadMc opinion is 100% correct??
GrandadMc opinion is that if you say anything that GrandadMc doesnt like about the environment he wants you permanently silenced so that his opinion reigns surpreme.??

Btw GrandadMc I find your opinion of wanting to silence others just as repugnant as the OPs. But opinions are just that **opinions**
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04/12/2020 11:39:40 4 3
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Cutting emissions faster than any other major country... so a "world-beating" program, eh? And I'm sure Johnson's plans to achieving that are "oven-ready".
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04/12/2020 11:23:07 8 18
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Like banning petrol and Diesel cars. It's government fantasy once more.
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04/12/2020 11:39:55 6 0
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Yeah - like banning leaded petrol and CFCs that never worked at all did it.

Oh, hang on.....
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04/12/2020 11:31:02 3 5
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"Prof Sir Brian Hoskins, told BBC News: “Mr Johnson’s target is ambitious – but we need action to back it up, right now. "

10 years to achieve all this seems practically impossible when the economy is facing the double whammy of covid and brexit. As Professor Hoskins states we need action right now. Lets get this in perspective, by end of each year we have to reduce our emissions by 7%.
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04/12/2020 11:40:03 2 0
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The UK can benefit from this. We have huge natural resources for renewable energy and the knowhow to exploit it. If we get moving and invest in this before ridiculous projects like HS2, we can power ourselves and create a whole new industry exporting the equipment for others to do so as well.
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04/12/2020 11:40:56 2 3
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If the pandemic has shown anything it is that a lot of Brits are very selfish. Cue the 'whatabout population control' cue the 'whatabout China' and cue the 'whatabout overseas aid'.

We need to get the message, or like Trump, we're gone.

We can afford to do this and thrive. We can create a better economic model and put people in real jobs. We can truly tap into enormous potential in the UK.
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04/12/2020 11:48:32 3 2
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So what is your answer to all those in absolute poverty throughout the world? Let them starve? Keep them in poverty where family planning hasnt got a chance to work?

50% chance in 80 years that the population will max out at 11.5 billion (WHO). Majority of those will be in born/live/die in poverty.

You called others selfish about even mentioning population control . But you are the selfish one
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04/12/2020 11:33:26 71 8
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The one thing about a government target you can guarantee on......it will never be met!
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04/12/2020 11:41:05 37 2
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They might claim it has, only to find out they used a creative and illogical method of counting to try and fool people into believing it was a success
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04/12/2020 13:11:34 0 0
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That is often the way!
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05/12/2020 16:24:42 0 0
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Propaganda, now that's one thing the Govt seems to excell at.
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04/12/2020 11:41:21 26 8
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On our planet there are around 7500,000,000 people, so to get that huge and rising fast figure into perspective , today we will need to find 7500,000,000 meals to feed everyone just once. in only about 15 years time it will be 8500.000.000 unless we deal with this single issue we will loose.
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04/12/2020 11:43:49 3 6
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Well what do you think they are doing right now, I'll say no more
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04/12/2020 11:47:08 5 5
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Reduce global population in just 15 years? That is impossible.

That's why population is a ridiculous red herring so beloved by those who don't want to make any changes to their own behaviour.
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04/12/2020 19:17:34 2 2
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Stop eating meat.
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04/12/2020 20:32:20 2 2
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Increase foreign aid to educate girls and women and help fund birth control and help them take control of their fertility
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04/12/2020 11:29:05 7 2
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If you did some research you would see that we have already cut our emissions by 45% since 1990. It's totally within our reach.
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04/12/2020 11:41:31 0 4
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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04/12/2020 12:11:44 2 0
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So you haven't actually got an answer....

Why am I not surprised?
sorrysorrysorry is a moron with a very limited vocabulary and intellect. He thinks this is the CBBC page Removed
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04/12/2020 11:25:17 79 11
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Fine words. Now to back it up with actions.
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04/12/2020 11:42:18 44 56
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the UK has only one in a thousand people on this planet
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04/12/2020 12:06:09 8 8
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Exactly. We are minnows in this game. Go campaign in China or Russia. They won't stay on the streets long.
102
04/12/2020 12:06:27 7 8
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Most of those other people can't afford to do anything about it. This country has the money and knowhow to lead the way if it wants to.
116
04/12/2020 12:10:40 15 0
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So, you weren't at school the day the maths teacher turned up, then?
158
04/12/2020 12:21:35 13 0
bbc
Closer to 0.87% and many of them can't do sums.
183
04/12/2020 12:27:55 7 2
bbc
No .. 1 in a 100.

But we are still small fry.

Boris trying to use us as some kind of "vanguard" so he can get a hug from Thunderberg ?
250
04/12/2020 12:43:51 8 3
bbc
That's no reason not to try to do something.
262
04/12/2020 12:45:54 7 2
bbc
It's not about the absolute numbers, it's about population density and the UK is more densely populated than the world's major nations.
376
04/12/2020 13:18:48 2 2
bbc
And sadly increasing, by the day !
452
04/12/2020 13:57:55 1 0
bbc
more like one in a hundred and twenty
825
05/12/2020 22:31:17 0 0
bbc
And that means it's okay to do nothing then, right?
Each one of them, even the poorest, let one the richest, cause more pollution than a whole village in rural Africa.
40
04/12/2020 11:42:39 1 2
bbc
Building new roads will NOT increase emissions, if the current EV adoption continues... bit short sighted BBC...
52
04/12/2020 11:47:50 0 0
bbc
EVs only reduce emissions if they power to charge them come from something other than burning things. Since we don't yet have renewable/nuclear capacity to spare for charging EVs, where do you think that power will come from?
41
04/12/2020 11:43:28 135 11
bbc
Doesn’t help if we reduce our emissions, but then buy everything from China who doesn’t. All we are doing is transferring jobs to other parts of the world who aren’t reducing their emissions and then having to transport the goods back to the U.K. which increases emissions still further. We won’t have switched to Electric cars by 2030 as many will keep running their old cars as long as possible
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04/12/2020 12:37:20 21 43
bbc
Partly true but please remember China has a huge population and a large proportion are poor.
245
04/12/2020 12:42:33 14 0
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As has been proven by all the waste products that people from the UK have put in their recycling bins only for them to end up dumped in places like Turkey, Bangladesh etc...

Bifab in Scotland going into administration because it is 'cheaper' to buy mounting platforms for offshore wind turbines from the far east.
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pj
04/12/2020 12:45:37 15 1
bbc
And how many posting on here, criticizing Govts, have no intention of changing their lifestyles? Too many, probably
267
04/12/2020 12:47:30 8 2
bbc
While I am no fan of that disgusting and inhuman government in Beijing, the Chinese are beginning to cut down on their emissions. They've realised that as a result of rising sea levels that they would have the most to lose as their main cities and industrial hubs will all end up underwater otherwise.
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04/12/2020 12:49:44 7 0
bbc
Did you know however that China are also leading a drive for massive reduction in emissions - their plan is for net zero carbon by 2060 which is ambitious but potentially possible due to the large reductions in costs of renewable energy
315
04/12/2020 13:01:26 2 0
bbc
We do need more of a Circular Economy to counteract the 'off-shoring' of =emissions. Re., the old cars - there is some merit in maintaining reasonably low-carbon ICE and hybrid models (i.e.no gas-guzzlers), as new EV's do have an embedded carbon footprint., and the transition will be 'softened' in terms of carbon emissions and electricity demand.
378
04/12/2020 13:23:15 7 6
bbc
I am one of the people who will be hanging on to an old car. I do not agree that EV's are better from the environmental point of view.
389
04/12/2020 13:27:18 1 2
bbc
I think with the absolute economic turmoil we will be going through from Brexit and our chaotic COVID response - we will the new version of Cuba with all the old cars be kept on the road!
688
05/12/2020 00:10:57 1 0
bbc
There are of course solutions to offshoring pollution. There are 'border carbon adjustments' or carbon tariffs to make a level playing field between importers and exporters. The EU is implementing them, and it looks like Biden intends to.

It would be useful to know if carbon tariffs are in the UK new trade deals, but they're under wraps.
729
05/12/2020 09:44:02 0 0
bbc
Absolutely spot on David ; place carbon tax on imports and we have a chance but current trajectory of beating up our industries and then importing instead is biggest fraud in history
762
05/12/2020 13:21:11 1 0
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Don’t buy anything from China then
20
04/12/2020 11:33:26 8 8
bbc
Harping on about human population isn't helpful. There may be some merit in the argument but it's not a cure if as a species we continue to focus on always accumulating and wanting more. Is the population of the planet supposed to continually decrease so the remainder can survive on more and more?

The key is sustainability and lower emissions is good news
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04/12/2020 11:43:53 6 2
bbc
It’s not an either or. Ultimately, sustainability has its limitations and can only be maintained by controlling the population. In my life time the world population has doubled and sustainable consumption cannot keep pace with that.
211
04/12/2020 12:36:10 0 0
bbc
I don't entirely disagree as my original post says. However, it's frustrating the amount of people who behave dismissively when sustainability issues come up on the basis of "too many humans"

Population size (which I read was forecasted to fall anyway as access to things like contraception and education improve) is one variable in an equation that has many other variables
43
04/12/2020 11:31:39 117 24
bbc
Yes, we've heard it all before from this government. What the UK will be doing is going to be world beating.

Words and promises come very easily to this government. making good on them is a very different matter. They could give the Grimm brothers a damn good run for their money.
107
04/12/2020 12:07:48 71 13
bbc
and Boris will have long gone by the time his promise is due to be delivered...
137
04/12/2020 12:14:51 7 3
bbc
It should be easy enough to achieve this, as after Brexit the economy will collapse. 0 economic activity = 0 emissions!
161
04/12/2020 12:22:15 5 3
bbc
Well Boris’s government got Brexit done, the Pandemic’s nearly done, so they just have to get Climate Change done
What could possibly go wrong?!
362
04/12/2020 13:20:37 3 8
bbc
If you hate this government & country, move to somewhere more welcoming perhaps. Syria, Iraq, Iran, China, Zimbabwe?
739
05/12/2020 11:22:56 1 0
bbc
This is not a party political issue. It is something that affects us all, and we must all make sacrifices and efforts to avert climate disaster, whether you vote for the Socialist Workers Party or the BNP! And remember, Labour only win elections now when they too are in the pockets of big business.
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04/12/2020 11:44:21 21 4
bbc
You can call me cynical, but announcing this seems like an excellent idea politically - if the target isn't met in 10 years time, everyone will have forgotten; and immediately there's no need to do a thing.
357
04/12/2020 13:18:14 8 12
bbc
No they won't - Roger Horror-bin and the rest of the BBC Political Party will keep in reminding us, unless of course they are killed off my lack of funding, as seems increasingly likely.
609
04/12/2020 18:07:40 1 0
bbc
There will be plenty of science and environmental groups pointing out that the target is not going to be met.
691
05/12/2020 00:21:55 2 0
bbc
It won't be forgotten. The 5-yearly carbon budgets are set in law by Parliament, and the NDCs are lodged at the UN with similar frequency.

It's not a big enough cut, *and* the Government doesn't yet have the policies to reach it.
10
04/12/2020 11:30:44 37 27
bbc
I hope all those stupid and pointless SUVs ARE forced off the road. It would make a welcome change to them forcing me (a cyclist) off the road because they take up so much bloody space!
45
04/12/2020 11:44:45 30 16
bbc
Why are cyclists always so angry. Does the Lycra chafe too much?
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04/12/2020 12:13:01 8 4
bbc
Most cyclists in cities are also motorists. We make choices about which mode of transport to use depending on the journey. It is not a 'them' and 'us' war. We all need to make more informed and responsible choices about how we meet our personal transportation requirements
204
04/12/2020 12:33:59 4 8
bbc
Might just be because of the aggressive behaviour of those cocooned in their big metal boxes and who are uncomfortably close on the road
770
05/12/2020 13:42:43 0 0
bbc
Yes I think it runs them the wronge way, and also causes an enormous ego swelling
46
04/12/2020 11:45:08 18 6
bbc
Dishonest target setting in action. Why set a base of emissions 30 years ago in 1990.

I can only assume that it is so if they miss the 2030 target they will be able to say "we nearly made it".
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Bob
04/12/2020 14:56:00 8 0
bbc
A mixture of being a year that people think isn't _too_ long ago, but still long enough ago that emissions were high such that a large reduction figure can be headlined.

Our peak was 1971. So perhaps 1970 would have been a good year to use.

As it stands we're 37% down on 1990 already. But 3/4s of that has come in the last 10 years alone.
821
05/12/2020 21:34:49 0 0
bbc
"Dishonest target setting in action. Why set a base of emissions 30 years ago in 1990."
Because that was the year set to account for national carbon emissions reduction in the 1997 International Kyoto protocol. If you think it is dishonest, I suggest you take it up with the IPCC.
47
04/12/2020 11:45:11 61 7
bbc
Johnson's very good at aims and targets but less good at delivery. Let's see if he develops any concrete plans
230
04/12/2020 12:37:48 57 9
bbc
He is full of 'concrete' plans!

His mates pour it over ever bit of land they can flog at development prices. Including the HS2scam. Ancient woodland, the enviroment, food supply, all sacrificed for mate's greed.
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04/12/2020 11:41:21 26 8
bbc
On our planet there are around 7500,000,000 people, so to get that huge and rising fast figure into perspective , today we will need to find 7500,000,000 meals to feed everyone just once. in only about 15 years time it will be 8500.000.000 unless we deal with this single issue we will loose.
48
04/12/2020 11:43:49 3 6
bbc
Well what do you think they are doing right now, I'll say no more
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04/12/2020 11:46:34 64 16
bbc
While I agree that we should lead by example and cut our emissions, its all rather pointless unless:-

1) Other countries cut their emissions.

2) Globally we aim to reduce population. Not by a cull but by encouraging everyone to have no more than 2 children. Including making contraception available, clean water and basic healthcare, education, pensions worldwide.
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04/12/2020 11:48:29 42 10
bbc
Not pointless, because by doing so we can pave the way in terms of technology and policy that works - which others can then more easily adopt
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pj
04/12/2020 12:42:44 3 0
bbc
The rate of increase of population is slowing and continues to do so with increasing living standards and education. It will top-out about 10-11billion: Still too many perhaps but at least we know one parameter on which to set out an action plan
456
04/12/2020 14:04:21 0 2
bbc
For those who dont believe that population is an issue check:

https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/Probabilistic/POP/TOT/900
482
04/12/2020 14:21:41 3 3
bbc
Remarkable the correlation in the names of those who are CC deniers & those who generally have far right-wing views.

Occasionally they'll switch their argument to over population. They usually cite Africa, but the problem is 10% of the world's population:

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/the-worlds-richest-people-also-emit-the-most-carbon

Don't fall for right-wing lies! The poor = small footprint!
780
05/12/2020 15:13:27 1 0
bbc
We have to do something not wait for others. We can lead by example.
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05/12/2020 22:32:39 0 0
bbc
Condoms good. Rees Mogg bad.
37
04/12/2020 11:41:21 26 8
bbc
On our planet there are around 7500,000,000 people, so to get that huge and rising fast figure into perspective , today we will need to find 7500,000,000 meals to feed everyone just once. in only about 15 years time it will be 8500.000.000 unless we deal with this single issue we will loose.
50
04/12/2020 11:47:08 5 5
bbc
Reduce global population in just 15 years? That is impossible.

That's why population is a ridiculous red herring so beloved by those who don't want to make any changes to their own behaviour.
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04/12/2020 12:11:32 4 3
bbc
As there is no quick fix then population control via family planning & lifting people out of poverty is the desperately needed.

So adding 4 billion extra people to the planet is going to have zero effect? Care to justify your logic?

Or are you one of those who think keeping people in poverty is good because its green?
31
04/12/2020 11:39:10 0 4
bbc
I've reported a few posts like this, these people need removing from HYS permanently
51
04/12/2020 11:47:43 4 0
bbc
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just because it doesn't agree with your agenda does not mean it is not a valid opinion.
40
04/12/2020 11:42:39 1 2
bbc
Building new roads will NOT increase emissions, if the current EV adoption continues... bit short sighted BBC...
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04/12/2020 11:47:50 0 0
bbc
EVs only reduce emissions if they power to charge them come from something other than burning things. Since we don't yet have renewable/nuclear capacity to spare for charging EVs, where do you think that power will come from?
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04/12/2020 11:48:21 21 12
bbc
The only route out of this by 2030 is New Nuclear.

The old nuclear will all be gone by then (25% of current generation).

Wind/ Solar are not constant.

Battery storage has been "just around the corner" for around 15 years.

Maximise wind/ solar when it's available. Use new nuclear to take up the slack.

STOP BUILDING GAS POWER STATIONS
65
04/12/2020 11:54:30 2 6
bbc
And we can find a way of using the massive battery capacity that will soon be sitting on our drives to trade energy when the wind is/is-not blowing. Can't be that difficult.
74
04/12/2020 11:52:44 3 0
bbc
Nuclear is ironically a type of science that they don't agree with
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04/12/2020 12:06:18 3 2
bbc
Nuclear needs natural fuel elements. Supply of those elements is finite, and there's very little in the UK. A lot of other countries will be in the same situation. Natural nuclear resources, required by future generations in 5000 years time, will be pee'd up against the wall to support our short-term greedy needs. Every single planetary resource for which we found a use, is already under threat.
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04/12/2020 12:37:00 3 1
bbc
As soon as you say something like "The only route out of this" ... you are wrong.

And for many of us while we see the Antarctic ice pack is hitting a MAXIMUM .. we do wonder what we need to get out of exactly.
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04/12/2020 13:22:37 3 0
bbc
Battery storage has been "just around the corner" for decades, not just the last 15 years. Otherwise we could have been using quiet, emission-free vehicles for ages. They have never solved the problem of reliable, efficient, quickly-charged batteries, and maybe the reason for that is that it is not possible to do so. Some things cannot be done and we should accept that.
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04/12/2020 11:46:34 64 16
bbc
While I agree that we should lead by example and cut our emissions, its all rather pointless unless:-

1) Other countries cut their emissions.

2) Globally we aim to reduce population. Not by a cull but by encouraging everyone to have no more than 2 children. Including making contraception available, clean water and basic healthcare, education, pensions worldwide.
54
04/12/2020 11:48:29 42 10
bbc
Not pointless, because by doing so we can pave the way in terms of technology and policy that works - which others can then more easily adopt
638
04/12/2020 20:09:25 0 0
bbc
more likely scenario: which they will wait 10 years or so to adopt to see if it destroys the UK economy in which case they know what NOT to do.
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04/12/2020 11:40:56 2 3
bbc
If the pandemic has shown anything it is that a lot of Brits are very selfish. Cue the 'whatabout population control' cue the 'whatabout China' and cue the 'whatabout overseas aid'.

We need to get the message, or like Trump, we're gone.

We can afford to do this and thrive. We can create a better economic model and put people in real jobs. We can truly tap into enormous potential in the UK.
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04/12/2020 11:48:32 3 2
bbc
So what is your answer to all those in absolute poverty throughout the world? Let them starve? Keep them in poverty where family planning hasnt got a chance to work?

50% chance in 80 years that the population will max out at 11.5 billion (WHO). Majority of those will be in born/live/die in poverty.

You called others selfish about even mentioning population control . But you are the selfish one
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04/12/2020 11:58:16 1 0
bbc
I am not entirely sure of your point. Of course population management is needed, that is common sense. However, it is just one of many strands we should be pursuing. We wont have truly effective population control until we get rid of religion.
56
04/12/2020 11:45:16 4 4
bbc
So Boris has committed himself and the country to the globalist goals of the UN 2030 climate agenda, the great reset of which we've been living through for the last 9 months, birth pains of being imprisoned. The wealthy can fly and be covid exempt, it's allergic to cash apparently and it spreads after 10pm or 6pm in pubs and restaraunts more fiercely than earlier times, it's a global imprisonment
68
04/12/2020 11:55:50 2 0
bbc
Are you suggesting things should not be reset? Are you suggesting they are currently smashing? What is your solution?
104
04/12/2020 12:07:03 0 0
bbc
You keep ranting about "imprisonment"...

I'm sure a lot of prisoners would be happy to be able to meet their mates in the park, or be in a pub till 6pm!
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04/12/2020 11:49:12 59 5
bbc
Johnson's making promises for future prime ministers to keep, just like Sunak's writing cheques for future chancellors to repay.

It's very easy to make pledges when you won't be around when they're due.
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04/12/2020 12:34:17 17 20
bbc
But they are not even sensible pledges.

There is a lot to do on the environment, but the UK has done more than enough on CO2.

Never anything for wildlife is there .. but that would tread on the toes of landowners... so just criticise Brazil instead.

:-D
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T
05/12/2020 01:12:06 0 1
bbc
You mean like Labour did before the 2008 financial crash? All governments do short term spending to get elected, and the electorate fall for it. 5 year election cycles are why the environment is never mop of government agenda.
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DSA
04/12/2020 11:49:21 7 11
bbc
Could it be that the world is still coming out of the last ice age and things will get warmer no matter what we do until the cycle reverses into the next one?
61
04/12/2020 11:51:32 9 4
bbc
No.
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04/12/2020 11:57:01 3 0
bbc
No, we were heading into another but our intervention has stopped that
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04/12/2020 11:24:47 4 13
bbc
The UK will aim to cut its carbon emissions by at least 68% of what they were in 1990 by the end of 2030, Boris Johnson has announced.

=HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bojo said lol, yeah, by 2050 UK can migrate to moon ?
59
04/12/2020 11:49:35 2 0
bbc
Using all those needless Ha's increased your carbon footprint HaHa.
15
04/12/2020 11:32:29 2 4
bbc
Changing to 'low-carbon heating' is definitely needed to achieve this, so why are British Gas and Worcester Bosch still allowed to advertise their new domestic gas boilers???
60
04/12/2020 11:51:08 1 1
bbc
Because gas heating will still be in use in 30 years time. Either as a green methane from bio digestors or mixed with hydrogen.

Just Green wash
58
DSA
04/12/2020 11:49:21 7 11
bbc
Could it be that the world is still coming out of the last ice age and things will get warmer no matter what we do until the cycle reverses into the next one?
61
04/12/2020 11:51:32 9 4
bbc
No.
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04/12/2020 11:52:09 48 12
bbc
How about not encouraging people back into the offices! WFH is the future and its much greener!
85
04/12/2020 12:01:32 21 16
bbc
Possibly, but think of all the additional gas and electricity demands from homes that would usually be unoccupied during work hours

Think of all the people who have been living in small homes and now thinking they need a place with additional room they can use to get off kitchen tables etc
105
04/12/2020 12:07:25 5 6
bbc
but inefficient. Our productivity was poor before Covid. It'll be shocking now.
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Bob
04/12/2020 12:11:29 9 7
bbc
You get a lot of cars off the road, yes. But public transport will run at reduced load so emissions per passenger sky rocket. The typical WFH setup is you use a PC to remote into your work PC - so double power usage there. You no longer heat/cool a shared space - instead everyone heats their own home. Same for tea rounds. Also more people can now use ovens for lunch etc etc.
135
04/12/2020 12:14:38 4 0
bbc
You maybe right but how do you offset the human cost in lost jobs and stress when under the constant surveillance of employee monitoring productivity software like “Hubstaff” and Globotics (Richard Baldwin) and the competition from telemigrants. Have a nice day ??
336
04/12/2020 13:08:14 4 0
bbc
Work from home is good, but we also need to invest in better public/active transport for those who still need to be in person to do their jobs (working in shops, restaurants, manufacturing, construction, medicine, production, etc)
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Bob
04/12/2020 13:19:53 3 3
bbc
Working from home is much less efficient (in terms of consumption of energy and emissions, not talking productivity!) than working in an office.

So if we're going to be ditching fuel-based cars anyway, you'll end up causing more emissions than we otherwise would in the long run.
15
04/12/2020 11:32:29 2 4
bbc
Changing to 'low-carbon heating' is definitely needed to achieve this, so why are British Gas and Worcester Bosch still allowed to advertise their new domestic gas boilers???
63
04/12/2020 11:53:43 2 0
bbc
So where will all the heat pumps and solar units to replace them from next week come from?

Even BoJo might have enough sense to realise that you can't just say "Stop doing something now!" without a replacement scheme in place...
11
04/12/2020 11:31:02 3 5
bbc
"Prof Sir Brian Hoskins, told BBC News: “Mr Johnson’s target is ambitious – but we need action to back it up, right now. "

10 years to achieve all this seems practically impossible when the economy is facing the double whammy of covid and brexit. As Professor Hoskins states we need action right now. Lets get this in perspective, by end of each year we have to reduce our emissions by 7%.
64
04/12/2020 11:53:57 1 0
bbc
Emissions per capita are 25% from the peak in 1972. And yes pollution can & should come down further.
There is a practical limit of how fast we can go.
53
04/12/2020 11:48:21 21 12
bbc
The only route out of this by 2030 is New Nuclear.

The old nuclear will all be gone by then (25% of current generation).

Wind/ Solar are not constant.

Battery storage has been "just around the corner" for around 15 years.

Maximise wind/ solar when it's available. Use new nuclear to take up the slack.

STOP BUILDING GAS POWER STATIONS
65
04/12/2020 11:54:30 2 6
bbc
And we can find a way of using the massive battery capacity that will soon be sitting on our drives to trade energy when the wind is/is-not blowing. Can't be that difficult.
154
04/12/2020 12:20:57 3 1
bbc
So when I drive to work or a clients office or to the shops then the battery is **not** available.

Yes a car might be stationary for 90% of the time. But the infrastructure isnt there. Out of the 30 million cars how many sit on the drive at home 24x7? Or will you get the bus instead of using the car, because now its a battery?
194
04/12/2020 12:30:10 5 0
bbc
and where is that battery capacity coming from? the piddling little battery in your electric car will be be next to useless, and just when many are wanting to heat up the house or cook food you will be driving off
66
04/12/2020 11:55:30 8 8
bbc
More madcap nonsense to placate those determined to sacrifice our economy on the altar of their new god Netzero.

If they were really serious about reducing greenhouse emissions they would be demanding that we build a few nuclear power stations.
94
04/12/2020 12:03:42 1 0
bbc
You do realise we -are- building some nuclear power stations?

But that might mean you'd have to live uo to your user name....
97
04/12/2020 12:05:13 2 0
bbc
So where will we bury the nuclear waste, which will remain radioactive for thousands of years ?

Get real. Nuclear power is not the answer. We all need to adjust our expectations and consume less
10
04/12/2020 11:30:44 37 27
bbc
I hope all those stupid and pointless SUVs ARE forced off the road. It would make a welcome change to them forcing me (a cyclist) off the road because they take up so much bloody space!
67
04/12/2020 11:55:48 10 3
bbc
Being selfish.

Are you one of those cyclists who ignore the cycle path 2m to their left, jump lights & are a danger?
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04/12/2020 12:00:58 6 1
bbc
probably
231
04/12/2020 12:38:32 2 1
bbc
A cyclist traveling over 18mph on a cycle path will technically be breaking the law. Easily done even on a hybrid let alone a road bike. That certainly makes the cyclist a danger. Idiots who jump lights. Darwin has a theory about that....
768
05/12/2020 13:36:44 1 2
bbc
Are you one of those drivers who -

merrily pulls out of a car park across a sunken pavement ignoring the FACT PEDESTRIANS HAVE RIGHT OF WAY?

merrily pulls into a turning when there are pedestrians already in the road ignoring the FACT THEY HAVE RIGHT OF WAY NOT YOU?

merrily overtakes cyclists by two feet INSTEAD OF A FULL CAR WIDTH?

SHOULD BE BANNED FROM DRIVING?
56
04/12/2020 11:45:16 4 4
bbc
So Boris has committed himself and the country to the globalist goals of the UN 2030 climate agenda, the great reset of which we've been living through for the last 9 months, birth pains of being imprisoned. The wealthy can fly and be covid exempt, it's allergic to cash apparently and it spreads after 10pm or 6pm in pubs and restaraunts more fiercely than earlier times, it's a global imprisonment
68
04/12/2020 11:55:50 2 0
bbc
Are you suggesting things should not be reset? Are you suggesting they are currently smashing? What is your solution?
147
04/12/2020 12:18:35 0 0
bbc
I think the problem is that the reset benefits only the very rich.
69
04/12/2020 11:56:07 21 5
bbc
Even if the UK could do that, it’s no use if global emissions keep rising.
In any case people will not accept the necessary policies to make this a reality.
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04/12/2020 13:29:30 6 6
bbc
Agreed except to add if the global POPULATION keeps rising
25
04/12/2020 11:36:19 5 1
bbc
How did you work that out? The UK carbon emissions are already down 38% on 1990 levels so to get it down to 68% of 1990 levels it's a reduction of 3% per year, which isn't impossible with the right policies in place.
70
04/12/2020 11:56:17 1 0
bbc
You don't expect people to both read the article and do sums, do you? :-)

It'd be good for everyone if people did, though, wouldn't it...
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04/12/2020 12:08:16 1 0
bbc
The headline makes it look a bigger reduction that what it is, but never the less it's a good step in the right direction and if it leads to us having cleaner air to breathe I'm all for it, if it's done the right way many new and worthwhile jobs can be created too.
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04/12/2020 11:49:36 27 5
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House heated with gas
Leccy from local gas plant
Car runs on diesel
All goods wrapped in plastic

This green future would only be possible with a budget surplus. If they manage to do it in 10 years I will be amazed.
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04/12/2020 11:56:54 8 5
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Pie is the sky and pigs will be flying sooner
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DSA
04/12/2020 11:49:21 7 11
bbc
Could it be that the world is still coming out of the last ice age and things will get warmer no matter what we do until the cycle reverses into the next one?
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04/12/2020 11:57:01 3 0
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No, we were heading into another but our intervention has stopped that
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04/12/2020 11:48:21 21 12
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The only route out of this by 2030 is New Nuclear.

The old nuclear will all be gone by then (25% of current generation).

Wind/ Solar are not constant.

Battery storage has been "just around the corner" for around 15 years.

Maximise wind/ solar when it's available. Use new nuclear to take up the slack.

STOP BUILDING GAS POWER STATIONS
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04/12/2020 11:52:44 3 0
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Nuclear is ironically a type of science that they don't agree with
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04/12/2020 11:57:45 10 4
bbc
Need to cancel HS2 and most major road building programs. Instead focus on refurbishing the existing road and rail infrastructure to support greener vehicles and policies to reduce the numbers on the road.

Invest the savings in refurbishing the housing stock to be energy efficient and the technology needed to get there affordably. Replacement Boiler ~£2K insultation and heat pump ~20K+
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04/12/2020 12:02:58 7 0
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Yes indeed, it is uncertain whether HS2 will deliver net positive environmental benefits. For example, an ecological impact analysis of excavation earthworks, deep cuttings and tunnel boring across the chalk rock in the Chiltern Hills should be undertaken. There have been 4 moderate earthquakes in the Vale of Aylesbury last September.
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04/12/2020 12:36:59 1 0
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heat pumps are the next environmental disaster. on average they loose a full refrigerant gas charge every 4 years, and that has the same effect on global warming as about 5 years C02 output . Just switch the boilers over to PV and wind produced hydrogen. Ignore all the rubbish about it cannot be done just needs different jets.
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04/12/2020 11:58:08 7 14
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Human CO2 emissions are a tiny fraction of those of nature. And anyway 95% of the Greenhouse Effect is due to Water Vapour. Yet this green lunacy, will make energy 5 times more expensive to solve a nonexistent problem.
82
04/12/2020 12:00:45 1 3
bbc
An awful lot of scientists who do this for a living would disagree with this being a nonexistent problem.
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04/12/2020 12:01:48 0 2
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You again, spouting your usual rubbish....

Why am I not surprised?
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04/12/2020 12:57:25 1 1
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And the BBC and Eco loons still can’t explain why atmospheric co2 levels have not deviated from their natural cycles despite these abrupt, worldwide and lengthy lockdowns!
https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png
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04/12/2020 11:48:32 3 2
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So what is your answer to all those in absolute poverty throughout the world? Let them starve? Keep them in poverty where family planning hasnt got a chance to work?

50% chance in 80 years that the population will max out at 11.5 billion (WHO). Majority of those will be in born/live/die in poverty.

You called others selfish about even mentioning population control . But you are the selfish one
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04/12/2020 11:58:16 1 0
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I am not entirely sure of your point. Of course population management is needed, that is common sense. However, it is just one of many strands we should be pursuing. We wont have truly effective population control until we get rid of religion.
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Don
04/12/2020 11:58:34 3 3
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Early movers stand to gain so much while latecomers lose. Full steam ahead on renewables, create new jobs and a viable market to sell to others. Win!
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04/12/2020 12:04:56 4 1
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Sadly Brexit likely to scupper this :( - of course our emissions will drop massively when we can't export anything or afford to import raw materials - we don't mine the metals used for wind turbines or anything else, the minerals for processing hot metals & creating coatings - aerospace dependant on these ditto similar hot face tech. We have glass sand though we've shut most of the sources
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04/12/2020 11:36:01 1 1
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By 2030, it's not feasible. easy to get cars to switch to electric, but to replace gas for household heating will be difficult. You can't use hydrogen, and solar/heat exchangers are far too expensive at present and not as efficient - they won't keep you warm.
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04/12/2020 11:59:16 0 1
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Where there’s a will there’s a way. You seem to be discounting air source heat pumps and (see link below) blending of NG and hydrogen, well it’s a start. In engineering “there’s no such thing as a problem only opportunities” ??

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/green-hydrogen-in-natural-gas-pipelines-decarbonization-solution-or-pipe-dream
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04/12/2020 11:39:10 0 4
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I've reported a few posts like this, these people need removing from HYS permanently
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04/12/2020 12:00:19 2 1
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GrandadMc opinion is the only one thats count ??
GrandadMc opinion is 100% correct??
GrandadMc opinion is that if you say anything that GrandadMc doesnt like about the environment he wants you permanently silenced so that his opinion reigns surpreme.??

Btw GrandadMc I find your opinion of wanting to silence others just as repugnant as the OPs. But opinions are just that **opinions**
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04/12/2020 12:44:32 2 0
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Just to clarify. That isn't my opinion, it was a statement of projected fact based on population consumption trends.

It was in bad taste admittedly, but I wanted to highlight the point that if I talk callously about thousands dying from Covid I am treated like a monster.
But if I talk callously about ignoring climate change (which will kill many millions) I get support and upvotes.
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04/12/2020 12:00:30 3 0
bbc
It is uncertain whether HS2 will deliver net positive environmental benefits. For example, an ecological impact analysis of excavation earthworks, deep cuttings and tunnel boring across the chalk rock in the Chiltern Hills should be undertaken. There have been 4 moderate earthquakes in the Vale of Aylesbury last September.
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04/12/2020 11:58:08 7 14
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Human CO2 emissions are a tiny fraction of those of nature. And anyway 95% of the Greenhouse Effect is due to Water Vapour. Yet this green lunacy, will make energy 5 times more expensive to solve a nonexistent problem.
82
04/12/2020 12:00:45 1 3
bbc
An awful lot of scientists who do this for a living would disagree with this being a nonexistent problem.
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04/12/2020 12:02:25 2 0
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"Who do this for a living"
83
04/12/2020 12:00:56 2 2
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Boris...please keep your mouth shut. Talking make you seem dimmer than we all think you are. Another empty boast with nothing to back it up.
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04/12/2020 11:55:48 10 3
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Being selfish.

Are you one of those cyclists who ignore the cycle path 2m to their left, jump lights & are a danger?
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04/12/2020 12:00:58 6 1
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probably
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04/12/2020 11:52:09 48 12
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How about not encouraging people back into the offices! WFH is the future and its much greener!
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04/12/2020 12:01:32 21 16
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Possibly, but think of all the additional gas and electricity demands from homes that would usually be unoccupied during work hours

Think of all the people who have been living in small homes and now thinking they need a place with additional room they can use to get off kitchen tables etc
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05/12/2020 08:46:15 1 0
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An awful lot of homes aren't empty anyway tho.
Parent & young child/ren may be there so home is already warm.
It's also surprising how many people heat heir home even when no ones there because they like to keep it at a certain temp
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04/12/2020 12:01:38 0 0
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Too little too late, we are doomed Captain Johnson!
76
04/12/2020 11:58:08 7 14
bbc
Human CO2 emissions are a tiny fraction of those of nature. And anyway 95% of the Greenhouse Effect is due to Water Vapour. Yet this green lunacy, will make energy 5 times more expensive to solve a nonexistent problem.
87
04/12/2020 12:01:48 0 2
bbc
You again, spouting your usual rubbish....

Why am I not surprised?
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04/12/2020 12:02:18 5 2
bbc
Whilst meanwhile promoting the biggest road building boom in a generation and not coming up with any policies to deliver the promise. Literally just more hot air from Boris. Says one thing does another. Clueless liar.
82
04/12/2020 12:00:45 1 3
bbc
An awful lot of scientists who do this for a living would disagree with this being a nonexistent problem.
89
04/12/2020 12:02:25 2 0
bbc
"Who do this for a living"
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04/12/2020 12:10:22 1 1
bbc
I presume you are trying to allude that Oncologists go about causing cancer related issues to keep them in work? That the WWF capture animals so they can rescue them?
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04/12/2020 12:02:27 4 4
bbc
Whilst they sort it out, lets just sit back and enjoy the many real benefits of global warming!
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04/12/2020 12:34:06 0 0
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Yes, the end of coral reefs; rising sea levels and increased flooding; stronger hurricanes destroying lives around the world; and millions of refugees. What's not to like.
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04/12/2020 12:02:43 4 3
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It won't work.
75
04/12/2020 11:57:45 10 4
bbc
Need to cancel HS2 and most major road building programs. Instead focus on refurbishing the existing road and rail infrastructure to support greener vehicles and policies to reduce the numbers on the road.

Invest the savings in refurbishing the housing stock to be energy efficient and the technology needed to get there affordably. Replacement Boiler ~£2K insultation and heat pump ~20K+
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04/12/2020 12:02:58 7 0
bbc
Yes indeed, it is uncertain whether HS2 will deliver net positive environmental benefits. For example, an ecological impact analysis of excavation earthworks, deep cuttings and tunnel boring across the chalk rock in the Chiltern Hills should be undertaken. There have been 4 moderate earthquakes in the Vale of Aylesbury last September.
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04/12/2020 11:59:50 2 3
bbc
To achieve that we'll need to be in lockdown forever......wait hold on a minute..........
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04/12/2020 11:55:30 8 8
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More madcap nonsense to placate those determined to sacrifice our economy on the altar of their new god Netzero.

If they were really serious about reducing greenhouse emissions they would be demanding that we build a few nuclear power stations.
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04/12/2020 12:03:42 1 0
bbc
You do realise we -are- building some nuclear power stations?

But that might mean you'd have to live uo to your user name....
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04/12/2020 13:35:27 0 0
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I should have written "a few more". Some = not enough.
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04/12/2020 12:04:51 4 4
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Our tiny island will shoot itself in the foot and promise huge savings. The real global culprits for emissions (Asia and Eastern Europe) will laugh at us and carry on. Our gestures will save little global emissions but cost us dear economically.
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Don
04/12/2020 11:58:34 3 3
bbc
Early movers stand to gain so much while latecomers lose. Full steam ahead on renewables, create new jobs and a viable market to sell to others. Win!
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04/12/2020 12:04:56 4 1
bbc
Sadly Brexit likely to scupper this :( - of course our emissions will drop massively when we can't export anything or afford to import raw materials - we don't mine the metals used for wind turbines or anything else, the minerals for processing hot metals & creating coatings - aerospace dependant on these ditto similar hot face tech. We have glass sand though we've shut most of the sources
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04/12/2020 11:55:30 8 8
bbc
More madcap nonsense to placate those determined to sacrifice our economy on the altar of their new god Netzero.

If they were really serious about reducing greenhouse emissions they would be demanding that we build a few nuclear power stations.
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04/12/2020 12:05:13 2 0
bbc
So where will we bury the nuclear waste, which will remain radioactive for thousands of years ?

Get real. Nuclear power is not the answer. We all need to adjust our expectations and consume less
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04/12/2020 12:16:45 0 0
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Please do some research on nuclear power, the facts might surprise you.

Try an easy intro from an environmentalist who has been asked by the IPCC to be one of their expert witnesses:

https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shellenberger_why_i_changed_my_mind_about_nuclear_power
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04/12/2020 12:05:50 4 1
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Talking big doesn't solve the climate crisis. We need real action, not false promises that will inevitably and quietly be kicked down the road when media attention is elsewhere.

Don't forget the Tory's pledge in 2010 to eliminate peat-based compost by 2020. Nothing whatsoever has happened.

Tory policy is ALWAYS to do nothing and hope that market forces drive the change that is needed.
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04/12/2020 12:05:53 2 6
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I drive a Skoda Superb. It's diesel. I shall buy a diesel to replace it and a diesel to replace that.
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04/12/2020 12:12:29 1 1
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Me too... diesels are fantastic.
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04/12/2020 11:42:18 44 56
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the UK has only one in a thousand people on this planet
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04/12/2020 12:06:09 8 8
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Exactly. We are minnows in this game. Go campaign in China or Russia. They won't stay on the streets long.
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04/12/2020 12:56:15 1 3
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We may be "minnow", but we are still a Great Power and still have the ability to influence.
When others look to our example they may then feel obligated to follow suit.
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04/12/2020 13:06:24 1 1
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Surprisingly China's really making big steps on the green technology with electric cars, hydrogen buses etc and nuclear and hydro power. Mind you, they do have the advantage that whatever they want the people to do, they just order them to do it! We don't have that luxury here. It could be them leading the world in a few years and making lots of money out of it by getting all the contracts!