Van der Walt 'taken game to new level'
03/12/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 677
Edinburgh's Jaco van der Walt has "taken his game to another level", says Scotland head coach Gregor Townsend, as the fly-half prepares to make his debut against Ireland on Saturday.
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03/12/2020 13:17:41 2 2
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No obvious sub if Van der Walt gets injured ?
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03/12/2020 13:20:12 1 1
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Presumably Hogg, with Maitland or Jones able to cover 15, but I agree it isn't a great strategy.
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03/12/2020 13:20:13 0 1
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Hogg could move there at a push with Maitland to cover. Worth giving VDW a try I suppose.
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03/12/2020 13:23:26 2 4
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Stuart Hogg can play 10

I wouldn’t trust him mind... dropping the ball over the line, missing kicks to the corner, liability or as he says schoolboy errors !
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03/12/2020 13:41:50 4 3
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Weir didn't have any cover either so not sure what the big deal is?

All this crap about Hogg - been one of our best players for years and still our best option by far. Tons of players make mistakes and don't get called out as much for it either - part of why rugby is great to watch, mistakes make for exciting moments / games.
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03/12/2020 14:34:43 1 1
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I think Hidalgo-clyne will cover 10 in the first instance, with Hogg next on the list if Price gets injured and Hidalgo-clyne has to play 9
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03/12/2020 16:18:24 0 0
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Let’s hope Walt Disney get injured then.....;-)
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03/12/2020 13:18:35 10 11
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Van der Walt?? who's next Dick Van Dyke
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03/12/2020 14:03:52 1 3
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If you - presumably - accept that someone called Dick Van Dyke can be American, then it shouldn't be hard to accept that a Van der Walt could be Scottish. Or do you just find it amusing that two completely unconnected random people have Dutch surnames?
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03/12/2020 16:36:33 1 0
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Or Rip Van Winkle? He'd fit into the rugby this autumn.
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03/12/2020 13:19:14 21 7
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Matt Fagerson...don't get it. Please, Gregor, when the 6 Nations comes around, give Gary Graham and/or Nick Haining another shot.

Looking forward to it though - experience vs form.
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03/12/2020 13:35:13 9 1
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Yes Graham has been playing well at Newcastle in the 8 position
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03/12/2020 13:39:06 2 2
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Not sure Gary Graham has shown much every time he has played for Scotland, plus not a big ball carrier, more a 6. Haining is different but needs more game time at Ed, not even 1st choice there. Both are also old (relatively for rugby).

Fagerson is young and learning, if he gets a decent run without injuries could be a long term answer at 8!
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03/12/2020 14:29:17 0 1
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But we we assured some months ago by someone posting on a BBC HYS that Gary Graham (born in Scotland to two Scottish parents) couldn't possibly qualify to play for Scotland because he had played club rugby for Newcastle.
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04/12/2020 09:25:27 1 0
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Gary Graham has been on fire!!!!
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04/12/2020 11:55:53 1 1
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That the same Gary Graham who got called up to an England squad and said - “I’d love to play against Scotland next week, make 1,000 tackles and shove it in their face.”

Hope he never gets another cap again.
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03/12/2020 13:17:41 2 2
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No obvious sub if Van der Walt gets injured ?
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03/12/2020 13:20:12 1 1
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Presumably Hogg, with Maitland or Jones able to cover 15, but I agree it isn't a great strategy.
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03/12/2020 13:33:47 0 3
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Agree with you both especially if nerves get to him and he has a mare
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03/12/2020 13:17:41 2 2
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No obvious sub if Van der Walt gets injured ?
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03/12/2020 13:20:13 0 1
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Hogg could move there at a push with Maitland to cover. Worth giving VDW a try I suppose.
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03/12/2020 13:22:06 105 34
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Utter nonsense. Don't know why Scotland even bother with age grade teams. Why bother if Bok rejects can step off the plane and into the team.
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03/12/2020 13:24:41 6 9
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Townsends son been called up to u20’s, I’ve not seen him play but could he be fast tracked ?
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03/12/2020 13:32:39 10 10
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Are they Bok rejects? It's an unpleasant adjective to use with regard to sportsmen and women, anyway. (Should be a good game)
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03/12/2020 13:50:43 17 5
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I agree that this 3 year residency rule is making a mockery of things.

This not not just for Scotland but everyone.
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03/12/2020 13:52:50 22 5
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I couldn’t agree more - I’m gutted for Duncan as a Worcester fan, but I think anybody in that position would feel rightly annoyed.

I get that people have affiliation with more than one country so there needs to be some flexibility, but allowing a guy to play international rugby just because he’s done a 3-year contract stint is demeaning to the concept of international representative sport.
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03/12/2020 14:34:51 8 8
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He didn't just step off the plane.
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03/12/2020 15:08:30 11 2
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I have no problem with multi-cultural teams and can see how they improve nation teams and positively reflect society. However three year residency rule leads to mercenary behaviour which obstructs the promotion of genuine national talent and diminishes those teams and their selectors. I think all of the home nations have done this as do ANZ - needs to stop.
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03/12/2020 16:48:54 2 3
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Same old lame comments about residency. You think international rugby should be about who’s got the best development pathways?
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03/12/2020 17:09:12 3 3
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Agree, nothing against the individuals however it shows how bankrupt our development structure is and please don't use Covid as an excuse this has been going on for years. Imagine the financial savings made.
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03/12/2020 18:57:37 5 2
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He joined Edinburgh in 2017 and has met the IRB residency rule of 3 years .... hardly "step off the plane and into the team". That can only happen with parent/ grandparent connections
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03/12/2020 19:04:12 1 1
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You'd be better asking why age grade rugby in Scotland has failed to produce a decent home grown replacement for Russell and Hastings.
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03/12/2020 19:05:06 2 2
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Are they 'boks rejects? Or is that the only thing you have got to say?
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03/12/2020 20:23:11 1 2
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Mike, the rules have been changed so it's 5 years residency from now on I believe. 5 yrs is a fair chunk in the rugby career of the vast majority of players.
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03/12/2020 20:24:06 0 1
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Agreed, but way too early to call up Nathan Chamberlain
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03/12/2020 21:43:26 1 1
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Makes a change I suppose. Flying in from Cape Town or Joburg instead of Auckland.

Farce.
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04/12/2020 10:25:11 0 0
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Agreed. Hopefully the new regulations with regard residency rules will stop this. Southern Hemisphere players come over here, blocking the progression of young UK players either because they aren't good enough for their own Country or to enhance their pension funds at the end of their career. Look at Sale, 11 SAfrican ! Kolpak has damaged county cricket and rugby is following a similar route.
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04/12/2020 10:36:48 0 0
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Money for old rope anyone?
1) Not just off the plane been here 3 years to qualify
2) Residency rules have been change to 5 years just pushed back 6 months for co-vid
3) Every country in the world has used the rules so why hamstring ourselves to make a point
4) He's really getting his shot early down to the long term injuries to Russell & Hastings
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04/12/2020 11:21:26 0 1
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If you're talking about Jaco his great grandfather was from Aberdeen so it's not like he has no connection to Scotland.

It's about creating depth in the squad.
Who would have thought we'd have two fly halves out through injury!?

But if it happens again then you've got Weir and Walt, both called and eligible. But Weir is not getting any younger.

We need to be smart like NZ about capping players.
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04/12/2020 11:45:04 0 1
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Is he a 'bok reject'?
Not getting picked doesn't necessarily make him a reject, but just an opportunity that never came up. That could simply be his style of play not fitting with the squads he might have otherwise been picked for.
The residency option has come up for him. If he wants to play for Scotland and is a quality player, then good luck. I'd prefer NB Scots, but that's life.
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04/12/2020 18:57:47 0 1
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Were a huge pool of talented youngsters looking for a place in our two professional sides I could understand the above comment. But the results by our two professional teams during the last five weeks says that talent is not there unlike in Ireland. When rugby is trying to deal with racism in all it forms I find the language used shows that this initiative does not apply to some supporters.
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03/12/2020 13:17:41 2 2
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No obvious sub if Van der Walt gets injured ?
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03/12/2020 13:23:26 2 4
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Stuart Hogg can play 10

I wouldn’t trust him mind... dropping the ball over the line, missing kicks to the corner, liability or as he says schoolboy errors !
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03/12/2020 13:22:06 105 34
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Utter nonsense. Don't know why Scotland even bother with age grade teams. Why bother if Bok rejects can step off the plane and into the team.
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03/12/2020 13:24:41 6 9
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Townsends son been called up to u20’s, I’ve not seen him play but could he be fast tracked ?
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03/12/2020 13:35:46 8 4
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Not convinced he’s a prospect from what I’ve seen. Just left school, yet to play senior rugby (I think), so way too soon for that kind of thinking. The 10 cupboard is pretty bare at all levels.
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03/12/2020 16:00:43 0 1
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Be amusing if his place was taken by a mercenary from SA ...
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04/12/2020 07:14:40 0 0
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Why, is he as poor as his father?
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03/12/2020 13:24:59 16 21
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Can't these dopey Unions find 15 Irish born men and 15 Scottish born men to take the field to represent their nations ? Stealing opportunities from home born players by importing mercenaries to save the coaches jobs in the short term ! International rugby union is a joke. Stop the national anthems they are an insult to the nations they represent !
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03/12/2020 13:30:49 15 2
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Not just Ireland and Scotland, every union is at it. The residency rule is a joke, if applied it should be 10+ years
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03/12/2020 13:39:05 0 3
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I'm no fan of residency players - in my opinion there should be no such thing, or be 10 years - but name a team that doesn't have any players not born in that country. This team has 2 South Africans, otherwise it's Scottish or with Scottish blood.. so it's hardly an insult to the shirt! Name one Tier 1 team that doesn't do it...!
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03/12/2020 13:46:42 0 5
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The problem is the Scots struggle to compete against teams like England unless they use imported players. And you don't mention that England are at it too – what about Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Itoji, etc. etc. etc.
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03/12/2020 13:25:09 24 4
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Feel for Duncy Weir again. Fingers crossed for an entertaining match and not a dull kick fest.
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03/12/2020 15:49:31 10 0
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Agree. Duncy did well. Let's hope the team does better than last time when they were good in parts, awful in parts & average the rest of the time .
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04/12/2020 22:15:34 0 0
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Did Weir really do well? We seemed devoid of any creative spark to me, and that is down to the 10.
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03/12/2020 13:25:33 2 1
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JVW - a risk that I hope pays off. I don't know if its because Edin got rid of Hickey as he seemed to keep JVW on his toes competing for the 10 jersey, but JVW has been really poor so far for Edin this season. His kicking has been woeful and decision making equally poor
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03/12/2020 13:24:59 16 21
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Can't these dopey Unions find 15 Irish born men and 15 Scottish born men to take the field to represent their nations ? Stealing opportunities from home born players by importing mercenaries to save the coaches jobs in the short term ! International rugby union is a joke. Stop the national anthems they are an insult to the nations they represent !
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03/12/2020 13:30:49 15 2
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Not just Ireland and Scotland, every union is at it. The residency rule is a joke, if applied it should be 10+ years
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03/12/2020 13:31:40 8 2
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Must be someone with a wicked sense of humour in the BBC sport website team.

And cue lively debate on eligibility....
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04/12/2020 08:17:15 0 0
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No, most posters can drag almost any discussion into one on eligibility. The HYS elves are just trolling the people who pay their salaries.
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03/12/2020 13:22:06 105 34
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Utter nonsense. Don't know why Scotland even bother with age grade teams. Why bother if Bok rejects can step off the plane and into the team.
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03/12/2020 13:32:39 10 10
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Are they Bok rejects? It's an unpleasant adjective to use with regard to sportsmen and women, anyway. (Should be a good game)
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03/12/2020 16:00:43 8 1
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Unfortunately "rejects" should actually have been "rejected". Both vdW's left when it was obvious their faces wouldn't fit in with the SA idea of who should play in their positions, and both have made Scotland their home so best of luck to them.
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03/12/2020 13:20:12 1 1
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Presumably Hogg, with Maitland or Jones able to cover 15, but I agree it isn't a great strategy.
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03/12/2020 13:33:47 0 3
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Agree with you both especially if nerves get to him and he has a mare
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03/12/2020 13:33:50 0 1
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Is Hamish Watson injured?
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03/12/2020 13:19:14 21 7
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Matt Fagerson...don't get it. Please, Gregor, when the 6 Nations comes around, give Gary Graham and/or Nick Haining another shot.

Looking forward to it though - experience vs form.
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03/12/2020 13:35:13 9 1
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Yes Graham has been playing well at Newcastle in the 8 position
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03/12/2020 13:35:32 3 9
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Townsend out.
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03/12/2020 13:35:41 3 5
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Chris Harris? Not sure when there are other like Sam Johnston available, or even Huw Jones in the centre. NEver seen him "turning up" for Scotland.
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03/12/2020 13:44:21 4 1
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Defensively the best 13 Scotland has. SJ is just back from injury and not back to where he was yet imo.

Like it or not, international games are won by defense these days - just see England. Huw Jones is a great player to bring on against tiring defence, so will see if he can make the most of it!
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03/12/2020 14:12:52 0 1
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Toonie loves him because he does all the dark arts defensive work in the centre channel. Scotland have enough in the backs that definisive solidity takes precedent
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03/12/2020 14:31:52 0 1
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I’m assuming that anyone not in the match day 23 will go back to their clubs and that means hopefully Edinburgh and Glasgow will be able to field stronger teams than they have over the past few weeks, hence why possibly Sam Johnson has been released from the squad? Just a thought, don’t know for sure?
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03/12/2020 17:38:07 0 0
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Chris Harris has had his best ever sequence of games for Scotland. He has developed a consistency that Huw Jones either never had or has lost. In his early days he sometimes looked like he was not cut out for international rugby, but full marks for his perseverance.
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03/12/2020 13:24:41 6 9
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Townsends son been called up to u20’s, I’ve not seen him play but could he be fast tracked ?
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03/12/2020 13:35:46 8 4
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Not convinced he’s a prospect from what I’ve seen. Just left school, yet to play senior rugby (I think), so way too soon for that kind of thinking. The 10 cupboard is pretty bare at all levels.
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03/12/2020 13:36:21 34 7
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So much moaning!

Scot. have two teams who for years have been struggling to compete vs. Eng. / France - only going to get worse post Covid. Even Wales & Ire have four teams each. Have to use who we have.

JVW - 2 of our starting 10's are injured. Playing for very little here, so a good time to blood him before 6N. Weir had no bench cover for last few games either.

Positive thoughts!
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03/12/2020 18:38:30 1 1
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Maybe the number of teams is a factor, however quite a few Scottish, Welsh and Irish are playing in England - or France.
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04/12/2020 07:45:38 0 1
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SRU said it didn't have the money to fund a third team. I don't know whether or not that is true, but very many people in the borders took the decision to scrap the Reivers very personally. Upsetting so many people in one of the great heartlands of Scottish rugby doesn't seem to be a very good idea.
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03/12/2020 13:36:36 46 11
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I'm sure Jocko van der McWalt will do very well.
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03/12/2020 16:56:52 16 1
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I thought he was a Dutch detective.
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03/12/2020 13:36:57 3 2
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Good to see Jones back into the frame. Could go either way but Scotland bench definitely getting stronger.
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03/12/2020 13:24:59 16 21
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Can't these dopey Unions find 15 Irish born men and 15 Scottish born men to take the field to represent their nations ? Stealing opportunities from home born players by importing mercenaries to save the coaches jobs in the short term ! International rugby union is a joke. Stop the national anthems they are an insult to the nations they represent !
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03/12/2020 13:39:05 0 3
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I'm no fan of residency players - in my opinion there should be no such thing, or be 10 years - but name a team that doesn't have any players not born in that country. This team has 2 South Africans, otherwise it's Scottish or with Scottish blood.. so it's hardly an insult to the shirt! Name one Tier 1 team that doesn't do it...!
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03/12/2020 13:43:19 7 1
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03/12/2020 13:49:11 1 1
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I agree, laws are there, all teams are following the laws, still awful.

I have no idea why the RFU delayed the five years vs three years due to Covid, further nonsense.
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03/12/2020 13:19:14 21 7
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Matt Fagerson...don't get it. Please, Gregor, when the 6 Nations comes around, give Gary Graham and/or Nick Haining another shot.

Looking forward to it though - experience vs form.
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03/12/2020 13:39:06 2 2
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Not sure Gary Graham has shown much every time he has played for Scotland, plus not a big ball carrier, more a 6. Haining is different but needs more game time at Ed, not even 1st choice there. Both are also old (relatively for rugby).

Fagerson is young and learning, if he gets a decent run without injuries could be a long term answer at 8!
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03/12/2020 13:39:45 37 5
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I know J Gray is excellent defensively etc, but is he ever going to take his game to the next level or is that it. He doesn't seem to make any impact now in the loose when he gets the ball, doesn't break the gain line. I'd have given him a rest against France never mind this game. Skinner and Toolis deserve a chance
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03/12/2020 17:25:41 5 5
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I agree! J Gray hasn't lived up to his potential. Can't see him making the Lions squad either.
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04/12/2020 13:47:15 2 0
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He's not that sort of player - he does the stuff you don't see. He doesn't miss tackles, he clears countless rucks and he is the central point of the rolling maul, a (disappointingly) critical part of the game now.

Even if you disagree, he has been snapped up by the best team in Europe, went straight into their team and starts all their big games. That should say an awful lot.
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04/12/2020 13:48:58 1 0
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And Toolis is not up to it for me. Same goes for Grant (he gives away penalties all the time, same as Brown). It's J Gray, Cummings and Skinner, in that order.
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04/12/2020 19:09:39 0 0
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Rob Baxter is a very good judge of a rugby player and he took J Gray to Exeter. His brother is a poor replacement for him.
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03/12/2020 13:40:07 15 1
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Is Hamish Watson injured? I also feel a bit sorry for Weir - but happy to be proved wrong...Hope that Huw Jones takes full opportunity [like he did for Warriors] Gie it laldie.
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04/12/2020 11:56:09 0 0
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Watson injured yeah
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03/12/2020 13:41:15 3 1
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I know he doesn’t really fancy Duncan weir but I would have him on the bench.
Good to see Sutherland back.Not saying we will win but I don’t think we are 3/1 shots.
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03/12/2020 13:17:41 2 2
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No obvious sub if Van der Walt gets injured ?
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03/12/2020 13:41:50 4 3
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Weir didn't have any cover either so not sure what the big deal is?

All this crap about Hogg - been one of our best players for years and still our best option by far. Tons of players make mistakes and don't get called out as much for it either - part of why rugby is great to watch, mistakes make for exciting moments / games.
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03/12/2020 13:52:10 1 10
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Nobody at an international level has made as many mistakes as Hogg.

I have yet to see him complete a tackle either.
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03/12/2020 13:42:56 5 2
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Good to see Jones back, but why no Watson? Cowan, while having a decent season apparently, is not exactly one for the future.
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03/12/2020 13:39:05 0 3
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I'm no fan of residency players - in my opinion there should be no such thing, or be 10 years - but name a team that doesn't have any players not born in that country. This team has 2 South Africans, otherwise it's Scottish or with Scottish blood.. so it's hardly an insult to the shirt! Name one Tier 1 team that doesn't do it...!
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03/12/2020 13:43:19 7 1
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Argentina
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03/12/2020 13:35:41 3 5
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Chris Harris? Not sure when there are other like Sam Johnston available, or even Huw Jones in the centre. NEver seen him "turning up" for Scotland.
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03/12/2020 13:44:21 4 1
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Defensively the best 13 Scotland has. SJ is just back from injury and not back to where he was yet imo.

Like it or not, international games are won by defense these days - just see England. Huw Jones is a great player to bring on against tiring defence, so will see if he can make the most of it!
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03/12/2020 13:24:59 16 21
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Can't these dopey Unions find 15 Irish born men and 15 Scottish born men to take the field to represent their nations ? Stealing opportunities from home born players by importing mercenaries to save the coaches jobs in the short term ! International rugby union is a joke. Stop the national anthems they are an insult to the nations they represent !
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03/12/2020 13:46:42 0 5
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The problem is the Scots struggle to compete against teams like England unless they use imported players. And you don't mention that England are at it too – what about Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Itoji, etc. etc. etc.
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03/12/2020 13:50:21 4 1
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Itoji was born in Camden!! But England play the system like all the others ??
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03/12/2020 13:57:49 1 1
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"And you don't mention that England are at it too – what about Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Itoji, etc. etc. etc."
-Would you like to explain exactly why you think Itoji isn't English?
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03/12/2020 13:58:38 2 5
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How racist are you? Maro Itoje was born in London and has never lived anywhere other than England in his life!

The others all came here as kids (young kids, in the Vunipolas’ case) to live permanently, which is totally different to coming here as a pro rugby player for work purposes. As far as I’m concerned they’re as English as the rest of us.
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03/12/2020 13:49:03 5 4
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I'm no fan of residency (I'd have none at all, or 10 years) but those are the rules. Every team does it, and so it's legitimate, however unpalatable. Besides, there are only two residency players in this team; the rest are Scottish or with Scottish blood so it's a low proportion. Ireland had 5 recently and England have plenty also (Vunipolas, Tuilagi etc) so it's a level playing field.
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03/12/2020 13:55:09 11 4
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Residency is fine if you’re a genuine long term resident and/or you grew up here having been born somewhere else (like the Vunipolas) - but you shouldn’t qualify for representative internationals just because you got a 3-year contract as an overseas player in the domestic league...
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03/12/2020 16:27:55 0 0
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The Tuilagis and Vunipola are NOT residency players by the current rules.
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03/12/2020 13:39:05 0 3
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I'm no fan of residency players - in my opinion there should be no such thing, or be 10 years - but name a team that doesn't have any players not born in that country. This team has 2 South Africans, otherwise it's Scottish or with Scottish blood.. so it's hardly an insult to the shirt! Name one Tier 1 team that doesn't do it...!
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03/12/2020 13:49:11 1 1
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I agree, laws are there, all teams are following the laws, still awful.

I have no idea why the RFU delayed the five years vs three years due to Covid, further nonsense.
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03/12/2020 13:49:50 4 2
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What about James Lang. A great team player who is getting better and better. Has played 5 times for Scotland, 5 wins,
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03/12/2020 23:19:09 0 0
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He is a very good 10 or 12
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03/12/2020 13:50:19 0 6
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He actually sounds more Dutch than South African. Bizarre.
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03/12/2020 13:56:24 2 1
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...? I hope this comment is somehow a joke.
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03/12/2020 13:58:37 2 1
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One or two South Africans do have Dutch ancestry as it happens...
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03/12/2020 14:01:11 3 1
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The Dutch East India company founded a base in what is now Cape Town around the 1650's. The Dutch have been in South Sfrica ever since then. So no surprises that many South Africans have "Dutch sounding" names.
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03/12/2020 14:20:24 2 1
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Doesn't sound like you know much about the history of South Africa.
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03/12/2020 15:48:40 1 0
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Van der Walt,Nel and Van der Merwe are Afrikaners-White South Africans of Dutch descent whose mother tongue is Afrikaans which nowadays is closer to Flemish than modern day Dutch.
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03/12/2020 13:46:42 0 5
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The problem is the Scots struggle to compete against teams like England unless they use imported players. And you don't mention that England are at it too – what about Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Itoji, etc. etc. etc.
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03/12/2020 13:50:21 4 1
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Itoji was born in Camden!! But England play the system like all the others ??
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03/12/2020 13:22:06 105 34
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Utter nonsense. Don't know why Scotland even bother with age grade teams. Why bother if Bok rejects can step off the plane and into the team.
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03/12/2020 13:50:43 17 5
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I agree that this 3 year residency rule is making a mockery of things.

This not not just for Scotland but everyone.
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03/12/2020 13:51:21 4 1
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This could be a great game, very competitive and very hard to say who's favourite. Usually pick Ireland as at home but not so sure now especially as Scotland finding form (and players).
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03/12/2020 13:52:03 36 14
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ScotAfrica against IreAfrica should be a good side .

All the Van Der.... coupled with the actual Scottish & Irish.

Before anyone starts just a joke. How many times have I heard South Sea England
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03/12/2020 13:53:27 16 5
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I don't know, how many times?
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03/12/2020 14:10:39 3 7
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ive never heard it before, sounds like you are just looking for an excuse
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03/12/2020 14:37:07 10 3
bbc
I’ve been a regular on all the BBC’s rugby HYS’s for the past few years and can honestly say I’ve NEVER heard anyone use the expression SouthSea England??
172
03/12/2020 16:22:59 1 1
bbc
None of them are 3 Yr residency based.
420
04/12/2020 07:50:36 0 0
bbc
In England's squad last Saturday, only 3 of the 23 were born outside England and only one was educated (in part, in Wales) outside England. England, like New Zealand and Australia, has for a very long time been a country which welcomes immigrants from all parts of the globe. There are currently NO players in the English squad who qualify only through residency.
30
03/12/2020 13:41:50 4 3
bbc
Weir didn't have any cover either so not sure what the big deal is?

All this crap about Hogg - been one of our best players for years and still our best option by far. Tons of players make mistakes and don't get called out as much for it either - part of why rugby is great to watch, mistakes make for exciting moments / games.
43
03/12/2020 13:52:10 1 10
bbc
Nobody at an international level has made as many mistakes as Hogg.

I have yet to see him complete a tackle either.
117
03/12/2020 14:45:38 3 1
bbc
baws! Hoggies class despite two undeniable major F ups he's still number one full back in NH
7
03/12/2020 13:22:06 105 34
bbc
Utter nonsense. Don't know why Scotland even bother with age grade teams. Why bother if Bok rejects can step off the plane and into the team.
44
03/12/2020 13:52:50 22 5
bbc
I couldn’t agree more - I’m gutted for Duncan as a Worcester fan, but I think anybody in that position would feel rightly annoyed.

I get that people have affiliation with more than one country so there needs to be some flexibility, but allowing a guy to play international rugby just because he’s done a 3-year contract stint is demeaning to the concept of international representative sport.
42
03/12/2020 13:52:03 36 14
bbc
ScotAfrica against IreAfrica should be a good side .

All the Van Der.... coupled with the actual Scottish & Irish.

Before anyone starts just a joke. How many times have I heard South Sea England
45
03/12/2020 13:53:27 16 5
bbc
I don't know, how many times?
49
03/12/2020 13:56:48 7 2
bbc
Too many to count
46
03/12/2020 13:53:38 37 14
bbc
Seriously guys what message does this send to up & coming Scots rugby players? That we’d rather pay SH guys to qualify than put effort into our own, no prob them playing for clubs but not international and that goes for ALL tier 1 sides
63
03/12/2020 14:08:06 23 4
bbc
Bit of an over simplification of things. First two choices who are products of the Scot system are both injured. Weir 3rd and has done well. Townsend wants to try someone else to see if they can make it at int level even if just as short term cover so he picks VDW. Chamberlain at Ed is a Scot product but not ready to step up yet with only a handful of senior starts and toony Jr has even less exp.
78
03/12/2020 14:16:54 10 1
bbc
I think its a GREAT message, you will be picked if you GOOD enough and not on nationality, skin colour or any thing but pure talent!!
79
03/12/2020 14:18:00 4 1
bbc
Try harder and/or don't be injured during the international window? JVW wouldn't get in the squad otherwise.
81
03/12/2020 14:18:28 1 1
bbc
There are lots of South African players who go abroad to earn a living playing club rugby, without international qualification ambitions. Just because SA has a huge amount of talented players with limited opportunities in SA pro rugby. It's not always deliberate recruitment. And I imagine the 5-year residency will soon start stopping the system being exploited.
171
03/12/2020 16:21:51 0 0
bbc
Because all that matters is winning not developing. Every country does it, it's just that some have far more than others.
35
03/12/2020 13:49:03 5 4
bbc
I'm no fan of residency (I'd have none at all, or 10 years) but those are the rules. Every team does it, and so it's legitimate, however unpalatable. Besides, there are only two residency players in this team; the rest are Scottish or with Scottish blood so it's a low proportion. Ireland had 5 recently and England have plenty also (Vunipolas, Tuilagi etc) so it's a level playing field.
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03/12/2020 13:55:09 11 4
bbc
Residency is fine if you’re a genuine long term resident and/or you grew up here having been born somewhere else (like the Vunipolas) - but you shouldn’t qualify for representative internationals just because you got a 3-year contract as an overseas player in the domestic league...
54
03/12/2020 13:59:35 0 1
bbc
Five years now.
116
03/12/2020 14:45:16 1 1
bbc
Is that the Vunipolas who were born in Australia and raised in Wales
38
03/12/2020 13:50:19 0 6
bbc
He actually sounds more Dutch than South African. Bizarre.
48
03/12/2020 13:56:24 2 1
bbc
...? I hope this comment is somehow a joke.
45
03/12/2020 13:53:27 16 5
bbc
I don't know, how many times?
49
03/12/2020 13:56:48 7 2
bbc
Too many to count
254
03/12/2020 19:11:39 0 1
bbc
That's 3 then.......
50
03/12/2020 13:56:59 2 1
bbc
Pretty decent team. Good bench as well. Skinner and Cowan to come on in the second half, and add bit more grunt to the pack. Glad to see Taylor back, and Huw Jones on the bench. He has been terrific for Glasgow, so should really be getting some starts. I hope Brown can find his jumpers in the line-out. Ireland are really good at stealing opposition ball. Going for an Ireland win though.
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03/12/2020 13:46:42 0 5
bbc
The problem is the Scots struggle to compete against teams like England unless they use imported players. And you don't mention that England are at it too – what about Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Itoji, etc. etc. etc.
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03/12/2020 13:57:49 1 1
bbc
"And you don't mention that England are at it too – what about Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Itoji, etc. etc. etc."
-Would you like to explain exactly why you think Itoji isn't English?
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03/12/2020 20:31:03 0 0
bbc
..maybe by not having an English surname would make a person think that just perhaps he’s not English - rightly or wrongly that could well be the reason - not too difficult to work out why, was it ? - How many Mr Smiths are Japanese ?
38
03/12/2020 13:50:19 0 6
bbc
He actually sounds more Dutch than South African. Bizarre.
52
03/12/2020 13:58:37 2 1
bbc
One or two South Africans do have Dutch ancestry as it happens...
34
03/12/2020 13:46:42 0 5
bbc
The problem is the Scots struggle to compete against teams like England unless they use imported players. And you don't mention that England are at it too – what about Vunipolas, Tuilagi, Itoji, etc. etc. etc.
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03/12/2020 13:58:38 2 5
bbc
How racist are you? Maro Itoje was born in London and has never lived anywhere other than England in his life!

The others all came here as kids (young kids, in the Vunipolas’ case) to live permanently, which is totally different to coming here as a pro rugby player for work purposes. As far as I’m concerned they’re as English as the rest of us.
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03/12/2020 14:07:30 6 2
bbc
When you say here of course you mean Wales where they grew up not England.
47
03/12/2020 13:55:09 11 4
bbc
Residency is fine if you’re a genuine long term resident and/or you grew up here having been born somewhere else (like the Vunipolas) - but you shouldn’t qualify for representative internationals just because you got a 3-year contract as an overseas player in the domestic league...
54
03/12/2020 13:59:35 0 1
bbc
Five years now.
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03/12/2020 14:12:35 2 2
bbc
The residency rule doesn't have 'degrees' - it either applies or it doesn't, and technically those players qualify on residency grounds whether it's 3 or 15 years. It would certainly be simpler if residency did not exist though... can live with the parent/grandparent rules as at least there is some blood there
55
03/12/2020 13:59:57 60 8
bbc
As a Scotland and Edinburgh supporter I will say this on residency (not a fan of it):

1. We have two pro teams and a limited player base, were it not for injuries he wouldn't get a look in under normal circumstances.

2. The rules are the rules on residency, pretty much everyone does it to varying degrees.

3. He has "served hard time" at Edinburgh and has stuck with it, fair play to him.
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03/12/2020 14:10:41 69 11
bbc
Is it time to put a cap on how many residency players can be in a 23 for International sides.

I’d say 3 per any 23 named.

Otherwise just becoming Club rugby under the International banner imo.

Recently Ireland had 8 players residency qualified in their 23.

That’s just bonkers - it’s far too much
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03/12/2020 21:21:16 0 1
bbc
The player base is only small because the youngsters are not interested in the game. Scotland have a bigger population than Wales, they have 4 teams. Southern Ireland have 3 teams and a smaller population. Northern Ireland have one team with a third of the population of Scotland. Be honest the game does not attract young players with the current model the SRU are using.
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04/12/2020 07:18:16 3 0
bbc
Utter rubbish.
As the son of a former Glasgow player, who got rinsed on getting a Scotland cap having sh*t all over Mighty Mouse, Scotland has always had a bigger pool of top quality players than it should, but the SRU is so nepotistic and out of touch they make Will Carling's old farts look the model of dynamic professionalism.
Just because others do it doesn't make it right!
38
03/12/2020 13:50:19 0 6
bbc
He actually sounds more Dutch than South African. Bizarre.
56
03/12/2020 14:01:11 3 1
bbc
The Dutch East India company founded a base in what is now Cape Town around the 1650's. The Dutch have been in South Sfrica ever since then. So no surprises that many South Africans have "Dutch sounding" names.
2
03/12/2020 13:18:35 10 11
bbc
Van der Walt?? who's next Dick Van Dyke
57
03/12/2020 14:03:52 1 3
bbc
If you - presumably - accept that someone called Dick Van Dyke can be American, then it shouldn't be hard to accept that a Van der Walt could be Scottish. Or do you just find it amusing that two completely unconnected random people have Dutch surnames?
73
03/12/2020 14:14:49 1 1
bbc
Behave...he can play rugby for Scotland but he aint Scottish
167
03/12/2020 16:10:55 0 0
bbc
Dick Van Dyke was born in the USA and can trace his lineage back to the earlier settlers who were of English,Irish and Scottish descent.
I would like to see the rap sheet of Van der Valt.
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AGP
03/12/2020 14:04:05 2 4
bbc
I look forward to waching South Afri... Scotland verses Ireland on Saturday. Seriously, I think Scotland have enough to win the game, but they need quick ball at the breakdown and constantly alter the point of attack when they get to the 22. I recall the number of times they ceded possession at the breakdown in promising situations against Ireland in Feb. Hogg was hardly error-free that day, too!
62
03/12/2020 14:07:39 9 1
bbc
Ireland have more South Africans than Scotland do.
59
03/12/2020 14:04:34 11 7
bbc
I find this embarrassing. By my count, only 11 of Scotland's 23 man squad are a product of the Scottish rugby system. 6 players are produced in England, 2 in NZ and 4 in SA. Doesn't say much for the SRU's development program.
101
03/12/2020 14:31:54 4 2
bbc
Almost half the squad from a two team system. Not too bad. A couple of the SA players have done plenty of developing in Scotland too, they weren't finished articles when they arrived.
60
03/12/2020 14:06:21 6 5
bbc
On the residency argument, I think it shows more commitment for a player to up-sticks to another country, sometimes with their family, and play domestic rugby for five years (yes is used to be three years); rather than someone in NZ finding out they have a grannie that was born in Carluke, but really has no connection to Scotland other than that; rocks up and gets picked for Scotland immediately.
64
03/12/2020 14:09:12 5 1
bbc
I get yours point but I don't think people who come across just for rugby should be allowed. Like Duhan and CJ Stander, they both played for South Africa U20 and (Although Duhan is so good) shouldn't be allowed
70
03/12/2020 14:13:52 1 2
bbc
Oh it’s not about the money then,wonder where he’d be if he was good enough to play for SA or merit a contract in France or England.
82
03/12/2020 14:19:35 1 1
bbc
People who move for the purposes of work (ie playing rugby) shouldn’t count, in my book. You’re just an overseas player at that point.

People who have actually migrated, either as children or for university etc prior to rugby, I accept the argument.
90
03/12/2020 14:23:36 1 1
bbc
Of course it does. But the rules allow it, and it's the same for every team. Personally I hate the rule and want to see as few of these players as possible (preferably none). But teams shouldn't be criticised for picking eligible players, especially those without the same strength of depth as others.
144
03/12/2020 15:35:20 0 0
bbc
A lucrative contract didn't influence them at all then?
53
03/12/2020 13:58:38 2 5
bbc
How racist are you? Maro Itoje was born in London and has never lived anywhere other than England in his life!

The others all came here as kids (young kids, in the Vunipolas’ case) to live permanently, which is totally different to coming here as a pro rugby player for work purposes. As far as I’m concerned they’re as English as the rest of us.
61
03/12/2020 14:07:30 6 2
bbc
When you say here of course you mean Wales where they grew up not England.
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AGP
03/12/2020 14:04:05 2 4
bbc
I look forward to waching South Afri... Scotland verses Ireland on Saturday. Seriously, I think Scotland have enough to win the game, but they need quick ball at the breakdown and constantly alter the point of attack when they get to the 22. I recall the number of times they ceded possession at the breakdown in promising situations against Ireland in Feb. Hogg was hardly error-free that day, too!
62
03/12/2020 14:07:39 9 1
bbc
Ireland have more South Africans than Scotland do.
69
03/12/2020 14:13:07 3 1
bbc
Manchester South Africans have more than both of you put together !
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AGP
03/12/2020 14:34:43 0 1
bbc
I think they have 4 each. Sorry, I thought Rob Herring was Australian, my mistake!
46
03/12/2020 13:53:38 37 14
bbc
Seriously guys what message does this send to up & coming Scots rugby players? That we’d rather pay SH guys to qualify than put effort into our own, no prob them playing for clubs but not international and that goes for ALL tier 1 sides
63
03/12/2020 14:08:06 23 4
bbc
Bit of an over simplification of things. First two choices who are products of the Scot system are both injured. Weir 3rd and has done well. Townsend wants to try someone else to see if they can make it at int level even if just as short term cover so he picks VDW. Chamberlain at Ed is a Scot product but not ready to step up yet with only a handful of senior starts and toony Jr has even less exp.
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03/12/2020 14:59:10 0 2
bbc
disagree with you, i would prefer to see young lad like Chamberlain in squad now to gain the experience so when he is 25 he will be more than ready and natural successor to the others you mentioned who in 5 years will be at end of career.
156
03/12/2020 15:51:47 0 0
bbc
Or perhaps its to get him qualified before the residency rules increase to 5 years?
198
03/12/2020 17:13:29 0 3
bbc
You say, 'Weir 3rd and has done well'
Over the last two games, I would be delighted if you could provide examples of where Weir has done well. Too slow, no imagination, can't tackle, can't see what's happening in front of him. If JVW had been qualified before competition, Weir would never have played. I would have taken the U20's stand off before Weir, who is an average club player, at best....
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CJM
03/12/2020 20:37:56 0 0
bbc
At last someone with the correct perspective.
400
04/12/2020 07:29:39 0 1
bbc
Really, no other 1/2 backs or 2nd 5/8ths in Scotland who could do a job at fly half?
May as well quit the game now.
Shame there's an Italian fly half who needed to play in a stronger side to show his class, scored many a point in beating Scotland before, but he was Scottish so not liked over the drunk fella who couldn't hold the ball.
430
04/12/2020 08:03:40 0 0
bbc
Hogg went on a Lions tour as a backup fly half. Just saying.
60
03/12/2020 14:06:21 6 5
bbc
On the residency argument, I think it shows more commitment for a player to up-sticks to another country, sometimes with their family, and play domestic rugby for five years (yes is used to be three years); rather than someone in NZ finding out they have a grannie that was born in Carluke, but really has no connection to Scotland other than that; rocks up and gets picked for Scotland immediately.
64
03/12/2020 14:09:12 5 1
bbc
I get yours point but I don't think people who come across just for rugby should be allowed. Like Duhan and CJ Stander, they both played for South Africa U20 and (Although Duhan is so good) shouldn't be allowed
71
03/12/2020 14:14:22 1 1
bbc
Maybe ask yourself why they coming over first!
72
03/12/2020 14:14:34 0 1
bbc
No perhaps not, but thems the rules. Hopefully with the SRU's academy up and running, more Scottish players will come through.
42
03/12/2020 13:52:03 36 14
bbc
ScotAfrica against IreAfrica should be a good side .

All the Van Der.... coupled with the actual Scottish & Irish.

Before anyone starts just a joke. How many times have I heard South Sea England
65
03/12/2020 14:10:39 3 7
bbc
ive never heard it before, sounds like you are just looking for an excuse
74
03/12/2020 14:15:12 6 2
bbc
If you haven’t heard it before you can’t frequent these boards that regularly.

2003, Steve D & others will confirm it’s a stick the England team and fans regularly get beaten with by the Celts
318
03/12/2020 21:38:44 0 0
bbc
Hmm, maybe you're not that sharp?
55
03/12/2020 13:59:57 60 8
bbc
As a Scotland and Edinburgh supporter I will say this on residency (not a fan of it):

1. We have two pro teams and a limited player base, were it not for injuries he wouldn't get a look in under normal circumstances.

2. The rules are the rules on residency, pretty much everyone does it to varying degrees.

3. He has "served hard time" at Edinburgh and has stuck with it, fair play to him.
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03/12/2020 14:10:41 69 11
bbc
Is it time to put a cap on how many residency players can be in a 23 for International sides.

I’d say 3 per any 23 named.

Otherwise just becoming Club rugby under the International banner imo.

Recently Ireland had 8 players residency qualified in their 23.

That’s just bonkers - it’s far too much
88
03/12/2020 14:22:12 3 2
bbc
Agreed.
112
03/12/2020 14:41:50 5 3
bbc
Of someone is eligible, they’re eligible. Random caps smack of other motives
145
03/12/2020 15:37:06 2 0
bbc
Here here, as an Irish man I was appalled by recent turn of events. I would want an Irish coach too!
225
03/12/2020 18:14:21 1 0
bbc
Spot on
269
03/12/2020 19:52:10 0 0
bbc
Smack on.
284
CJM
03/12/2020 20:30:33 2 0
bbc
So what about Japan?Half the team during World Cup non-japanese.
311
03/12/2020 21:22:21 0 1
bbc
10 year residency should be employed
396
04/12/2020 07:18:39 0 0
bbc
I'd say none!
587
04/12/2020 13:08:28 0 0
bbc
It all stems back to when the pro teams were formed,
- The club teams were not worth watching and were sacrificed
- It was only the children of ex players that took up the sport
- If you picked a Scotland team from scots that were actually brought up and played amateur rugby in Scotland it would be very poor

The SRU feels that the game is healthy of Scotland beat England once every 5 years
661
04/12/2020 19:05:47 0 0
bbc
Is residency any worse that being the grandchild of someone born in Scotland, who has never visited the country before the were recruited to play for the national side. Lots of hypocrisy in these comments. Only people resident in Scotland got a vote in the independence referendum.
54
03/12/2020 13:59:35 0 1
bbc
Five years now.
67
03/12/2020 14:12:35 2 2
bbc
The residency rule doesn't have 'degrees' - it either applies or it doesn't, and technically those players qualify on residency grounds whether it's 3 or 15 years. It would certainly be simpler if residency did not exist though... can live with the parent/grandparent rules as at least there is some blood there
93
03/12/2020 14:24:56 0 1
bbc
Well the way it’s currently drafted, yes - but the point we are all making is that we don’t think it should be so drafted!
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Ali
03/12/2020 14:42:02 2 2
bbc
My ginger brother was born abroad while my da was on a 3 month work placement. Our grandparents were born abroad and also had children - both when stationed abroad on military duty. Apart from that, our family has lived in Scotland our entire lives.

Under your stupid rules (no residency) he would not deserve the chance to play for Scotland? Maybe you need to rethink things a little.
20
03/12/2020 13:35:41 3 5
bbc
Chris Harris? Not sure when there are other like Sam Johnston available, or even Huw Jones in the centre. NEver seen him "turning up" for Scotland.
68
03/12/2020 14:12:52 0 1
bbc
Toonie loves him because he does all the dark arts defensive work in the centre channel. Scotland have enough in the backs that definisive solidity takes precedent
62
03/12/2020 14:07:39 9 1
bbc
Ireland have more South Africans than Scotland do.
69
03/12/2020 14:13:07 3 1
bbc
Manchester South Africans have more than both of you put together !
60
03/12/2020 14:06:21 6 5
bbc
On the residency argument, I think it shows more commitment for a player to up-sticks to another country, sometimes with their family, and play domestic rugby for five years (yes is used to be three years); rather than someone in NZ finding out they have a grannie that was born in Carluke, but really has no connection to Scotland other than that; rocks up and gets picked for Scotland immediately.
70
03/12/2020 14:13:52 1 2
bbc
Oh it’s not about the money then,wonder where he’d be if he was good enough to play for SA or merit a contract in France or England.
94
03/12/2020 14:26:13 0 1
bbc
He'd probably be SA, France or England. Your point is irrelevant to my argument. Van der Walt decided to try his luck in Scotland, and it paid off. If he was good for SA, he wouldn't be in Scotland.
64
03/12/2020 14:09:12 5 1
bbc
I get yours point but I don't think people who come across just for rugby should be allowed. Like Duhan and CJ Stander, they both played for South Africa U20 and (Although Duhan is so good) shouldn't be allowed
71
03/12/2020 14:14:22 1 1
bbc
Maybe ask yourself why they coming over first!
64
03/12/2020 14:09:12 5 1
bbc
I get yours point but I don't think people who come across just for rugby should be allowed. Like Duhan and CJ Stander, they both played for South Africa U20 and (Although Duhan is so good) shouldn't be allowed
72
03/12/2020 14:14:34 0 1
bbc
No perhaps not, but thems the rules. Hopefully with the SRU's academy up and running, more Scottish players will come through.
57
03/12/2020 14:03:52 1 3
bbc
If you - presumably - accept that someone called Dick Van Dyke can be American, then it shouldn't be hard to accept that a Van der Walt could be Scottish. Or do you just find it amusing that two completely unconnected random people have Dutch surnames?
73
03/12/2020 14:14:49 1 1
bbc
Behave...he can play rugby for Scotland but he aint Scottish
95
03/12/2020 14:27:13 0 1
bbc
"behave"? This individual might not be Scottish, but lots of people with Dutch names are. Just as lots of people who were born in other countries are. Can people who say "ain't" be Scottish?
65
03/12/2020 14:10:39 3 7
bbc
ive never heard it before, sounds like you are just looking for an excuse
74
03/12/2020 14:15:12 6 2
bbc
If you haven’t heard it before you can’t frequent these boards that regularly.

2003, Steve D & others will confirm it’s a stick the England team and fans regularly get beaten with by the Celts
308
03/12/2020 21:20:11 0 0
bbc
If you want folk to stop using meaningless language then a good start would be to drop to use of ‘Celts’.
75
03/12/2020 14:15:30 5 8
bbc
Another Saffie Scot can’t develop their own.
77
03/12/2020 14:16:50 7 1
bbc
Ireland have more than Scotland. I think Ireland have 8 out of 23 who aren't Irish and qualified through residency
80
03/12/2020 14:18:18 1 1
bbc
Apart from the other three you mean. Two of whom are injured.
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Bob
03/12/2020 14:16:02 17 2
bbc
De Walt is a handy piece of kit.

I have many in my shed.
121
03/12/2020 14:50:30 9 1
bbc
At least you never said he was a tool...
140
03/12/2020 15:26:48 6 0
bbc
If they've been lying on a shelf for three years they are eligible to play for Scotland or any 6N team!
75
03/12/2020 14:15:30 5 8
bbc
Another Saffie Scot can’t develop their own.
77
03/12/2020 14:16:50 7 1
bbc
Ireland have more than Scotland. I think Ireland have 8 out of 23 who aren't Irish and qualified through residency
46
03/12/2020 13:53:38 37 14
bbc
Seriously guys what message does this send to up & coming Scots rugby players? That we’d rather pay SH guys to qualify than put effort into our own, no prob them playing for clubs but not international and that goes for ALL tier 1 sides
78
03/12/2020 14:16:54 10 1
bbc
I think its a GREAT message, you will be picked if you GOOD enough and not on nationality, skin colour or any thing but pure talent!!
46
03/12/2020 13:53:38 37 14
bbc
Seriously guys what message does this send to up & coming Scots rugby players? That we’d rather pay SH guys to qualify than put effort into our own, no prob them playing for clubs but not international and that goes for ALL tier 1 sides
79
03/12/2020 14:18:00 4 1
bbc
Try harder and/or don't be injured during the international window? JVW wouldn't get in the squad otherwise.
75
03/12/2020 14:15:30 5 8
bbc
Another Saffie Scot can’t develop their own.
80
03/12/2020 14:18:18 1 1
bbc
Apart from the other three you mean. Two of whom are injured.
87
03/12/2020 14:22:01 0 1
bbc
What?
46
03/12/2020 13:53:38 37 14
bbc
Seriously guys what message does this send to up & coming Scots rugby players? That we’d rather pay SH guys to qualify than put effort into our own, no prob them playing for clubs but not international and that goes for ALL tier 1 sides
81
03/12/2020 14:18:28 1 1
bbc
There are lots of South African players who go abroad to earn a living playing club rugby, without international qualification ambitions. Just because SA has a huge amount of talented players with limited opportunities in SA pro rugby. It's not always deliberate recruitment. And I imagine the 5-year residency will soon start stopping the system being exploited.
60
03/12/2020 14:06:21 6 5
bbc
On the residency argument, I think it shows more commitment for a player to up-sticks to another country, sometimes with their family, and play domestic rugby for five years (yes is used to be three years); rather than someone in NZ finding out they have a grannie that was born in Carluke, but really has no connection to Scotland other than that; rocks up and gets picked for Scotland immediately.
82
03/12/2020 14:19:35 1 1
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People who move for the purposes of work (ie playing rugby) shouldn’t count, in my book. You’re just an overseas player at that point.

People who have actually migrated, either as children or for university etc prior to rugby, I accept the argument.
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03/12/2020 14:19:40 38 9
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Hogg - a lot to rectify with your mistakes this season ( Ireland, England and now France ). Can anyone tell me why with an excellent kicking 10 against France, Weir was not taking the kick offs and touch line kicks. At least he would have made touch with the last chance penalty kick against France. Hogg - just concentrate on the 15 job
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Ali
03/12/2020 14:36:01 26 16
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In the match I watched Hoggy was fantastic. The game was kicking heavy, and he did that job very well. A lot of high balls well placed and well chased too. Good in defence and made good decisions as captain.

He makes one slight mistake (in a situation where we really needed to gamble to have a realistic shot at the try) and that's all you remember. Have a little perspective and stop moaning.
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04/12/2020 11:52:57 0 0
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Because he wants to be the star of the show. He is more interested in he hair cut than putting in a decent performance in a Scotland jersey these days. Needs the captaincy taken off him and told his place in the team is at risk. Maybe that will get him to screw the nut.
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03/12/2020 13:50:19 0 6
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He actually sounds more Dutch than South African. Bizarre.
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03/12/2020 14:20:24 2 1
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Doesn't sound like you know much about the history of South Africa.
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03/12/2020 14:20:30 31 9
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The sooner World Rugby eliminate ‘project players’ of ALL descriptions the better. It just isn’t right and it helps to paper over the abysmal SRU failures in the introduction of professionalism to rugby in Scotland. Ever £ spent in that direction is a £ taken from youth, schools and academy player development.

Should be 7 year residence or parents born in a country before eligibility is offered.
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03/12/2020 14:27:57 12 5
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100%. Make it 10
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03/12/2020 18:03:56 1 0
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I agree 100%. Spot on.
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03/12/2020 19:38:10 0 0
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Wee George Graham was a match winner. Not sure about Fagerson Minor.
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03/12/2020 20:06:47 1 0
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I agree with the 7/10 year residency idea, however, I believe World Rugby are bringing in 5 year residency next year, at least it's a start in the right direction
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CJM
03/12/2020 20:33:50 1 1
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We lost a pro team because we have to fund a PC Women's team.What have they achieved apart from perpetual wooden spoons.
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04/12/2020 08:07:53 1 1
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Not all players who move to a new country are mercenaries or project players, some actually make a home and a life in their new country. Why should they be excluded from international rugby ?
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Ian
04/12/2020 08:47:48 1 0
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Totally agree! A Welshman here... Where does it all end? Wales could enlist 15 of the best from all around the world, but I’d rather have a team of true Welshman. To hell with the result, at least they would play for the shirt rather than the opportunity to play international rugby and all the spoils it obviously brings. Unfortunately it’s a results based industry now.
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03/12/2020 14:21:30 5 3
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I'm looking forward to this game Scotland have really progressed in the last year. Being in Dublin might just make Ireland favourites.
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03/12/2020 14:18:18 1 1
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Apart from the other three you mean. Two of whom are injured.
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03/12/2020 14:22:01 0 1
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What?
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03/12/2020 14:10:41 69 11
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Is it time to put a cap on how many residency players can be in a 23 for International sides.

I’d say 3 per any 23 named.

Otherwise just becoming Club rugby under the International banner imo.

Recently Ireland had 8 players residency qualified in their 23.

That’s just bonkers - it’s far too much
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03/12/2020 14:22:12 3 2
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Agreed.
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03/12/2020 14:22:26 2 5
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The not even Scottish argument again ????.. i believe most international teams especially in the northern hemisphere have foreign born adopted players, not that it's highlighted quite as blatantly with open comments regarding England or Ireland's players as it is when those pesky Scotch do it. ??
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03/12/2020 18:01:38 0 0
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especially in northen hemisphere?????????????????? Really?
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03/12/2020 14:06:21 6 5
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On the residency argument, I think it shows more commitment for a player to up-sticks to another country, sometimes with their family, and play domestic rugby for five years (yes is used to be three years); rather than someone in NZ finding out they have a grannie that was born in Carluke, but really has no connection to Scotland other than that; rocks up and gets picked for Scotland immediately.
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03/12/2020 14:23:36 1 1
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Of course it does. But the rules allow it, and it's the same for every team. Personally I hate the rule and want to see as few of these players as possible (preferably none). But teams shouldn't be criticised for picking eligible players, especially those without the same strength of depth as others.
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03/12/2020 14:24:34 4 2
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Looks like a strong team with plenty on the bench too. Surprised to see Walt get the nod but he has been playing pretty well in the last few seasons.
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03/12/2020 16:26:18 1 2
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Quite frankly, I can't see Scotland winning. Unless it's by pens.
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03/12/2020 14:24:52 6 3
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Should be a good game, Ireland look to be a team on the way down, with their excellent half backs finally succumbing to age, and Scotland seem like a team on the way up.

Shame Finn Russell is injured, generally the answer to the calls for more exciting rugby.
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03/12/2020 14:12:35 2 2
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The residency rule doesn't have 'degrees' - it either applies or it doesn't, and technically those players qualify on residency grounds whether it's 3 or 15 years. It would certainly be simpler if residency did not exist though... can live with the parent/grandparent rules as at least there is some blood there
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03/12/2020 14:24:56 0 1
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Well the way it’s currently drafted, yes - but the point we are all making is that we don’t think it should be so drafted!
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03/12/2020 14:13:52 1 2
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Oh it’s not about the money then,wonder where he’d be if he was good enough to play for SA or merit a contract in France or England.
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03/12/2020 14:26:13 0 1
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He'd probably be SA, France or England. Your point is irrelevant to my argument. Van der Walt decided to try his luck in Scotland, and it paid off. If he was good for SA, he wouldn't be in Scotland.
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03/12/2020 14:14:49 1 1
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Behave...he can play rugby for Scotland but he aint Scottish
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03/12/2020 14:27:13 0 1
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"behave"? This individual might not be Scottish, but lots of people with Dutch names are. Just as lots of people who were born in other countries are. Can people who say "ain't" be Scottish?
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03/12/2020 16:05:50 0 0
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I think he means isnae Scottish.
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03/12/2020 14:20:30 31 9
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The sooner World Rugby eliminate ‘project players’ of ALL descriptions the better. It just isn’t right and it helps to paper over the abysmal SRU failures in the introduction of professionalism to rugby in Scotland. Ever £ spent in that direction is a £ taken from youth, schools and academy player development.

Should be 7 year residence or parents born in a country before eligibility is offered.
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03/12/2020 14:27:57 12 5
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100%. Make it 10
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03/12/2020 13:19:14 21 7
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Matt Fagerson...don't get it. Please, Gregor, when the 6 Nations comes around, give Gary Graham and/or Nick Haining another shot.

Looking forward to it though - experience vs form.
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03/12/2020 14:29:17 0 1
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But we we assured some months ago by someone posting on a BBC HYS that Gary Graham (born in Scotland to two Scottish parents) couldn't possibly qualify to play for Scotland because he had played club rugby for Newcastle.
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03/12/2020 14:31:12 2 2
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A few comments.

1. Duncan Taylor will not be match fit. Townsend made the same mistake at the WC.
2. Matt Fagerson is a really good player but not convinced he offers enough from No 8. Although we don't really have any strong ball carrying No. 8s
3. Glad VdV is playing. Townsend needs to see how he copes with international rugby. Bit worried about the lack of bench cover from stand off.
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03/12/2020 14:45:39 0 1
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Wait, what, is Taylor not fit? He had a run from the bench two weeks ago so I assumed he was ok, or would be by now. Agree about last year, he was rushed in and then made a bit of a scapegoat.
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03/12/2020 14:31:20 5 4
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I'd rather be 10th World Rugby Rankings with no residency players than currently 7th with residency qualified. Its not like we are actually winning tournaments or world dominating whist shunning our youth for foreign players not good enough for their native countries.
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03/12/2020 14:38:37 6 2
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its one thing football has right compared to rugby. Im ok with grandparents but 3 year residency is crap. Scotland are now becoming a club side - its painful.
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03/12/2020 16:30:50 0 0
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Interesting that you shld say that. Athletic Bilbao won't have any players that are not Basques and they don't do too badly. The fans won't have it otherwise. However, the other Basque teams don't.
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03/12/2020 13:35:41 3 5
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Chris Harris? Not sure when there are other like Sam Johnston available, or even Huw Jones in the centre. NEver seen him "turning up" for Scotland.
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03/12/2020 14:31:52 0 1
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I’m assuming that anyone not in the match day 23 will go back to their clubs and that means hopefully Edinburgh and Glasgow will be able to field stronger teams than they have over the past few weeks, hence why possibly Sam Johnson has been released from the squad? Just a thought, don’t know for sure?