Brexit: 'Prospect of breakthrough receding' in UK-EU talks
03/12/2020 | news | politics | 7,540
Talks continue, as a source tells the BBC that Brussels are "bringing new elements into the negotiation".
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03/12/2020 12:10:49 13 28
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I can't believe Labour have decided on a position
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03/12/2020 12:12:43 6 8
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They haven't.
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03/12/2020 12:13:07 5 7
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They have decided pragmatically that any deal is better than no deal. Unlike some they are attempting to limit the damage to this country.
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03/12/2020 12:13:22 4 2
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Labour's position is any deal.
03/12/2020 13:43:44 1 0
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Well their 'position' cannot be any worse than 'negotiating the best deal that we can and then voting against it'
03/12/2020 22:32:35 0 0
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On the fence ?
03/12/2020 23:30:44 0 0
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It's the 69.
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03/12/2020 12:10:59 149 8
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"Pizzas were delivered to a central London venue late on Wednesday evening"

Doesn't that happen every night?
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03/12/2020 12:27:59 251 18
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Were they cooked, or just oven-ready?
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03/12/2020 12:41:07 8 0
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Shouldn't that have been fish and chips.
03/12/2020 14:52:36 0 1
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Yes, but these are fat slobs.
03/12/2020 20:44:53 0 0
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Hope they are not partying!
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03/12/2020 12:11:05 10 8
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About 2 years of negotiations in some form or other. Good luck expecting it all to work at the last minute. Glad it's coming to an end, whichever way it goes. Costing the tax payer millions for this shambles
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03/12/2020 12:12:43 16 4
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Try billions
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03/12/2020 12:17:18 4 3
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Yep, hopefully we will finally settle the Hard Brexit argument. We will now see if the UK really is a global powerhouse of commerce and industry or if in fact half the population were duped by a right-wing lie.
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03/12/2020 12:11:27 879 103
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Talks going to the wire highlights how important getting a deal is in all parties’ interests and how no deal definitely is not; here’s hoping there’s a meaningful conclusion.
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03/12/2020 12:15:51 774 384
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And yet you will still have nutters coming out to say it should be no deal or nothing otherwise it's BRINO.

Just shows you how little these people understand how important our relationship with Europe is
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03/12/2020 12:30:33 69 80
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However no matter what the negotiators agree Macron has vowed to veto the 'deal'. So it will end up as 'no deal'.
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03/12/2020 12:51:33 3 1
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who si the ditherer listening to? He's well off enough not to care what happens
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03/12/2020 12:55:40 0 1
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Obviously.
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03/12/2020 13:05:13 1 0
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and what would be a meaningful conclusion???
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03/12/2020 13:10:07 22 38
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How does it highlight how important getting a deal is, exactly?

To me, it illustrates how incompatible the UK's ambitions are with the EU, and how unwilling the EU are to let one of its neighbours actually be independent.

The sticking points are ENTIRELY based on the EU wanting the UK to continue following its rules and access to UK waters for EU fishing vessels.

We're standing up for ourselves
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03/12/2020 13:10:26 10 10
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Twenty nine posts and no one has said WALK AWAY. This is unacceptable. OK we've covered the theyneedusmorethanweneedthem, but we have standards on HYS. Someone please advise we walk away!
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03/12/2020 12:12:05 31 31
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EU doesn't want a deal. They want to disadvantage the UK and will sacrifice their own EU workers jobs for their idelology. This is all a charade

I voted remain byt he way
Of course you did

Leavers just can't stop lying
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03/12/2020 12:14:53 7 7
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It's disappointing how the EU have behaved from the beginning. Not suggesting UK has been a saint here either, but the EU have seemed to want to punish the UK rather than treat us as the friends we have been for decades
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03/12/2020 12:15:46 5 5
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bs x 2
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03/12/2020 12:34:00 8 3
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Or to be me accurate, the EU doesn't want a deal that is beneficial to the UK because there are five other states watching closely to see whether leaving the EU makes sense for them too.
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03/12/2020 12:12:17 14 18
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Yet another article on Brexit opened up for comments.

Has anyone's view changed from yesterday? I very much doubt it.

If only the BBC could monetise this click bait.
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03/12/2020 12:13:06 11 3
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Why do you copy/paste the same thing every day?
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03/12/2020 12:13:43 1 0
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And here you are moaning again.
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03/12/2020 12:44:27 0 0
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They do!
04/12/2020 11:58:08 0 0
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They don't need to monetise, as they can extort millions from the poorest in society to pedal their leftist judeo Christion, Marxist, my brothers keeper, group rights dogma till the cows come home, perfectly well as it is.
We are all Kulaks now and here comes the state to help us. It will not end well.
We need our lives back and the state out of our lives and economy as they are the same thing..
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03/12/2020 12:12:20 151 52
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The only good thing to come out of Covid is that we could take our minds of this shambles
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03/12/2020 12:30:27 40 18
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Not here it doesn’t. The battle is on all fronts
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03/12/2020 12:39:15 17 0
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Unfortunately, the long-term effects of the two won't cancel each other out. Covid is killing retail and hospitality. Hard Brexit, which we're getting deal or not - will kill what few manufacturers survived Thatchter. While the loss of a pub is sad, it can be reopened. But once specialist machinery has been sold, and skilled workers have left, restarting a manufacturing business is much harder.
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03/12/2020 12:43:44 10 0
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That's what Johnson and his cabal of the inept is hoping. Hasn't got cunning Cummings there planning his strategy (aka lies) now though and his orange mate's departure has pulled the rug out from under his last place of refuge.
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03/12/2020 12:44:54 14 1
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My mind has never been off it, and never will be, until we rejoin the EU.
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03/12/2020 12:57:16 8 3
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Sadly, this shambles also made our response to Covid far worse. I doubt Johnson would have missed the first five covid COBRA meetings for instance if he hadn't been spending most of his time on Brexit.
03/12/2020 17:37:00 3 0
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Yes but this shambles is just a dress rehearsal for Brexit
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03/12/2020 12:10:49 13 28
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I can't believe Labour have decided on a position
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03/12/2020 12:12:43 6 8
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They haven't.
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03/12/2020 12:11:05 10 8
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About 2 years of negotiations in some form or other. Good luck expecting it all to work at the last minute. Glad it's coming to an end, whichever way it goes. Costing the tax payer millions for this shambles
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03/12/2020 12:12:43 16 4
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Try billions
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03/12/2020 12:12:45 728 119
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Whatever happens, it's what Brexiters voted for, so they'll be happy.
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03/12/2020 12:14:40 777 382
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Yes we will!
Sorry about that.
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03/12/2020 12:18:51 27 58
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All the lickle animals will be happy to not be exported for slaughter nor for fattening up

You're very welcome.
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03/12/2020 12:29:23 67 31
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technically it is want this Country voted for whether you were for, against or indifferent
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03/12/2020 12:29:59 25 37
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Your name is very fitting
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03/12/2020 12:37:00 114 46
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Doubt it when the soft brown stuff actually hits the air circulation device. First time they have to join the slow queue at the airport on the way to Torremolinos they'll change sides. Too late Brexiteers, you've screwed it so own it!
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03/12/2020 12:28:10 60 102
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Remain voters will be happy if there is a deal, since they have accepted the result of the ref. Remoaners, on the other hand, are never happy with anything.
brexiters are the dumbest people on the planet tho, so should anyone care if theyre happy? Removed
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03/12/2020 13:10:14 4 2
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Not whatever happens it's not finished yet.
03/12/2020 13:27:03 8 20
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it is not what brexiters voted for its what the Country voted for. There was a clear majority for brexit and Boris Johnson has just delivered the wish of the people after 4 years of traitorous delay thanks to remoaners.
03/12/2020 13:28:38 4 14
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We certainly are , get us out .
03/12/2020 13:29:56 16 5
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Yes thousands of plucky Nissan workers will whistle a merry tune as they leave their jobs for the last time, happy in the knowledge that they got their sovereignty back!
03/12/2020 13:45:13 13 4
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Whatever the outcome, the brexiters won't be happy.
Angry is their default setting.
03/12/2020 13:48:39 9 1
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Does that mean you will be happy with a deal where we give the EU 50% of our fish and commit to follow eu rules on a level playing field including data, finance, state aid, environment and workers rights? What was the point of Brexit again?
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03/12/2020 12:12:52 18 15
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Still waiting for the Government to tell me what the plan is, loss of 4% of GDP by not joining the single market which is £40bn in loss tax revenue. There must be a reason so please tell the people.
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03/12/2020 12:23:28 7 6
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Other way round, it was the people who told the Government, and thats the way things should work
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03/12/2020 12:12:17 14 18
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Yet another article on Brexit opened up for comments.

Has anyone's view changed from yesterday? I very much doubt it.

If only the BBC could monetise this click bait.
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03/12/2020 12:13:06 11 3
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Why do you copy/paste the same thing every day?
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03/12/2020 12:18:21 2 3
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Because he's right.
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03/12/2020 12:27:01 0 1
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Because he can
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03/12/2020 12:10:49 13 28
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I can't believe Labour have decided on a position
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03/12/2020 12:13:07 5 7
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They have decided pragmatically that any deal is better than no deal. Unlike some they are attempting to limit the damage to this country.
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03/12/2020 12:13:13 759 335
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Looks like all that talk by The Johnson of walking away in October was complete hot air.

Still no signs of the German car industry coming to the rescue.

Even if they do manage to strike a deal now the first half of 21 is going to be pure chaos.

What was the upside of all this madness again?
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03/12/2020 12:14:42 309 56
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Fish.
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Dan
03/12/2020 12:16:10 62 1
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BIG tax loopholes begin left open.
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03/12/2020 12:32:50 26 97
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Not being beholden to the Franco/German hegemony
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03/12/2020 12:35:21 11 66
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or it made Barnier and the EU wake up and smell the coffee....
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03/12/2020 12:36:50 12 50
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To leave.
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03/12/2020 12:31:14 20 72
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"What was the upside of all this madness again?"

Seeing you lot throw your toys out of the pram and no one picks them up for you.
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03/12/2020 12:40:23 37 1
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Wasn't he walking away in June?
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03/12/2020 12:41:08 90 17
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So they can wave blue passports in the VERY slow queue at the airport and pay more for their travel insurance? I'm sure there must be a couple of other benefits too...oh yes, so they can screw the economy and limit their grandchildren's opportunities...maybe start another war in N Ireland?
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03/12/2020 12:48:21 26 5
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Sovurinty innit (though we actually never gave that up. Scotland lost theirs though).
Also we can negotiate our own trade deals, some of which will be nearly as good as the ones we had with the EU.
aaaand bananas and passports..!
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03/12/2020 12:49:49 22 3
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Blue passports - which we could have had anyway
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03/12/2020 13:01:27 5 4
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Of course, it was hot air. You do not get a good deal by saying you will accept any deal. It's page 1 in the Negotiations Handbook!
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Bob
03/12/2020 13:12:10 17 1
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Blue passport, fancy 50p coin, and some fish.
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03/12/2020 13:15:33 2 22
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We can start with a 50% cut in EU regulations. That generates 162 bn a year. That's based on the EU's own numbers of 6% of GDP cost, and a 270% return on each £ cut.
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03/12/2020 13:17:01 3 31
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Upside:
An approved vaccine in less time due to less bureaucracy and avoiding the inherent conflict between the EU central bodies (puffing up their roles, budgets, importance, salaries/pensions) and the national Governments wanting to get the glory
03/12/2020 13:53:34 0 0
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He only dId he would walk away if a deal was not the possible and it seems as if it is.
03/12/2020 13:57:47 1 11
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the upside is that we will no longer have to follow the EU rules, starting by increasing protection for live animals on their way to slaughter, but of course that probably doesn't appeal to a "non democratic" bbc HYS comment
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03/12/2020 14:24:25 1 1
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You must think it would be a good tactic to negotiate without being able to walk away. Duh
03/12/2020 14:36:24 4 0
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1) Development and world leader in bul**** to be exported to other countries. But the issue is all countries seem able to make there own so there isn't really an export market for UK bul****.
2) Maybe more powerfull vaccum cleaners if we can persuade manufacturers to do special UK versions?
03/12/2020 14:44:56 1 7
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The upside is sovereignty.
We decide for ourselves.
WE DECIDE!!
A big upside.
03/12/2020 14:52:22 1 9
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Err, it's called democracy (there was a democratic vote - a Referendum).

If Remain had won, I would have accepted that and got on with my life.

Such a pity that Remainers cannot accept the vote and try to look for positives.
03/12/2020 15:05:41 4 0
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There isn’t any upside.
03/12/2020 15:08:51 0 1
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What do you mean, 'the German car industry coming to the rescue'? We have a family member works for VAG and she tells us that Germany has been lobbying its negotiators to ensure they don't lose the 20% export to UK. It is our market that will save them!
03/12/2020 15:16:25 0 2
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Democracy
03/12/2020 15:31:00 0 0
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Not having to pay for Corona bonds
03/12/2020 15:33:38 1 3
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today's appears to be banning the movement of livestock thousands of miles in terrible conditions. More will emerge now that the likes of the bbc have finally accepted defeat and realised that portraying Brexit as racist etc. failed.
03/12/2020 16:04:12 0 2
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Freedom - same as in two world wars
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03/12/2020 12:10:49 13 28
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I can't believe Labour have decided on a position
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03/12/2020 12:13:22 4 2
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Labour's position is any deal.
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03/12/2020 12:42:21 3 3
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Why does it even matter ? The Tories have an 80 seat majority, so they can vote the deal up or down. Of course, when it goes wrong, the Tories can 100% shoulder the blame. They have a parliamentary majority. They called the referendum. The Tories own the Brexit mess 100%. But of course will try to deflect blame elswehere, as per.
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03/12/2020 12:13:22 5 12
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Macron has finally realised that he will not get any more concession on fishing beyond the secret relaxation offered by Boris. Anyone for cherry cake?
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03/12/2020 12:20:58 4 0
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So secret that you know about it?
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03/12/2020 12:13:37 19 29
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Barnier is a saint. History will show how incompetent the UK government were in their negotiations with the EU
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03/12/2020 12:15:19 15 17
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Favouring another state over your own nation has a name. Treachery.
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03/12/2020 12:13:38 584 117
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Did anyone, with even half a brain cell, actually think that the talks wouldn't go "down to the wire"?
It's a negotiation for heaven's sake.
Relax, it'll all be over soon.
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03/12/2020 12:43:34 314 133
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No surrender - ever. So no it won't be over. Fight for the best interests of our country - not a few rich tax dodgers and crooks.
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03/12/2020 12:44:04 14 37
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Yes and it all seems very childish when businesses need to prepare - the EU needs think about people and stop this modus operandi full stop.
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03/12/2020 12:48:07 43 21
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its only the start of the process to rejoin the eu
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03/12/2020 13:16:26 6 3
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No it won't .
03/12/2020 13:47:47 33 14
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Yup it'll soon be all over, well the endless begging of the UK Government asking the EU what the UK can and cannot do, will be over BUT...

It's only the begging of years of endless whinging and whining by all those that voted for Brexit when the reality of their folly hits them personally in the pocket in the all too near future.

It aint really all over, in fact its only really about to begin...
03/12/2020 13:55:20 21 9
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your almost right, especially with no brainers doing the negotiations on the behest of the half brainers that voted them in
03/12/2020 14:05:22 27 3
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No, the deal should have been done before the transition period began hence the name "transition" i.e. the period where you understand and align your processess to the new agreed system. Down to the wire was eleven months ago, we are late. We now have no transition period, thanks Boris, fool.
03/12/2020 14:29:27 4 0
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I sincerely doubt the outcome will be "relaxing".
03/12/2020 14:30:27 11 1
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It'll never be over. Even if a deal is agreed in the next few days, negotiations on various issues will probably continue for years.

What a waste of time and money.
03/12/2020 14:33:00 8 2
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'Relax, it'll all be over soon' said the captain of the Titanic.
03/12/2020 14:40:27 6 3
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Have a look at any negotiation undertaken by the EU, they always run it down to the wire in the hope that those on the other side will capitulate, just look at Ireland, Denmark etc
03/12/2020 14:43:53 5 3
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Insults are unnecessary.
EU negotiations are always strung out.
They play games with us.
Negotiations were ended in October, we were told.
Deadlines came.
And deadlines went.
Yet, here we are - they are still at it
Pathetic.
Jollies for all.
03/12/2020 16:03:10 0 0
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Well said
03/12/2020 16:12:43 4 4
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You obviously don't have even half a brain cell, it was sold on manifesto of lies, but you don't care, you're old, it's you children and grandchildren who will suffer the consequences.
03/12/2020 16:21:46 3 2
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You're right, but to fair to BoJo it could have been very different with a less resistant PM. He has stood his ground and not accepted the EU's "we're bigger than you" rubbish. There are many uncertainties - as always- but there are some certainties. 1. The EU has a huge trade surplus with the UK and they want to keep selling to us 2. The UK was a massive net funder of the EU. They miss our money.
03/12/2020 17:16:52 1 0
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no it won;t be over soon - the negotiation over our relationship with the Eu will not end with this, it will go on for years and years...
03/12/2020 17:23:35 1 0
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Only this part it will never be over. We will start to negotiate a new improved deal after this one then another.
03/12/2020 18:18:07 1 0
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IT ought to have been over on day two of Boris taking over
03/12/2020 18:33:33 2 0
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It is not a true negotiation, it is a farse created by the conservative party. I hate the pandemic, but it has saved us from a no deal.
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03/12/2020 12:12:17 14 18
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Yet another article on Brexit opened up for comments.

Has anyone's view changed from yesterday? I very much doubt it.

If only the BBC could monetise this click bait.
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03/12/2020 12:13:43 1 0
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And here you are moaning again.
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03/12/2020 12:13:44 5 3
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Been down to wire for years
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03/12/2020 12:13:54 16 15
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Why are we allowing a tiny band of people who go about systematically destroying the oceans' ecosystems preventing us from getting a trade deal that we need to prosper post brexit? Or is this more small-man posturing because we 'own' the waters and are desperate not to appear like the small island nation with a declining economic and political status that we really are?
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03/12/2020 12:20:12 1 4
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Don't be so hard on yourself. You'll probably find that it's just average size!
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03/12/2020 13:03:16 1 0
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Well said. Industry worth 0.12% of the economy. We already catch 60% of the fish in British waters by value (40% by weight) and we can fish in EU waters (about 1/6 of the industry revenue). Throw that away for what? Catching horse mackerel that the Danes literally only catch to feed pigs and trying to sell it to them with tariffs on it? Laughable distraction trick by Farage & co to force no deal.
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03/12/2020 12:13:57 13 22
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The only people under pressure are the EU French and German companies are pressuring the EU and they are panicing
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03/12/2020 20:24:13 5 2
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Another comment that reflects the attitude that they need us more than we need them.
Those that hold that view are in for a shock
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03/12/2020 12:14:02 32 8
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Stupid politicians! Can't talk sensibly and can't make decisions in good time. And I am not taking sides here.
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03/12/2020 12:32:42 20 7
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These types of negotiations always go to the wire.
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03/12/2020 12:46:22 4 0
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Who elected these stupid politicians?
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03/12/2020 12:14:16 566 186
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What an abject waste of time and money this pointless project has been. Where is the supposed taxpayers alliance to complain about the billions being spent on something so utterly useless to just about everybody.
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03/12/2020 12:42:49 130 53
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No, these are sunny uplands.
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03/12/2020 12:48:17 2 20
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Can you complain to the taxpayers alliance about any form of democracy as being a waste of money?
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03/12/2020 12:55:16 35 2
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The so called "Taxpayers Alliance" are nothing but a far right think tank who actually care more about not paying tax than those poor s*ds who actually have to stump up.
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03/12/2020 12:56:56 36 1
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Surely you mean The non-Taxpayers Alliance?

The Elliots are some of the biggest drivers of Brexit... They'll happily see everyone else's taxes being spent on their little charade if it means them and their ultra rich chums get to keep their tax loopholes.
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03/12/2020 13:17:42 2 35
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"So utterly useless to just about everybody" . . apart from the >16m who voted Leave
03/12/2020 13:19:14 2 21
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I take it you are referring to the eu ?
03/12/2020 14:41:15 2 14
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I guess you are talking about the payments to the EU for the last 45 years? thought so.. :)
03/12/2020 14:46:06 4 25
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The EU is a complete waste-of-space.
I hope that we escape, completely.
No remnant ties to any EU rules.
03/12/2020 15:08:24 3 15
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Pointless to you maybe, but not to the people who voted for it.
03/12/2020 15:06:12 4 4
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Waste of time? Utterly useless? A bit harsh on the eu.
03/12/2020 15:12:53 3 9
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Totally agree the CM/EU has been a complete waste of money.
03/12/2020 15:54:55 3 10
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Reaminers who could not accept the result and who fought tooth and nail to stop Brexit added tens of million to the Brexit bill in terms of delays and legal cases brought to stop Brexit....Gina Millar for one. Brexit was a democratic descision and wealthy Remainers made sure it became an expensive process.
03/12/2020 16:11:10 2 2
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agreed - what's more we have spent more on trying to leave EU than we have paid in total over all the years to be a member
03/12/2020 18:36:00 0 3
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Rather than continually moaning what are you going to do about it? Have we turned into 48% told you so's Do we accept that it is what it is and do something about it then you can say if it wasn't for me it would have been a disaster Get over it and do something constructive
03/12/2020 20:40:16 0 0
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I'm all for a taxpayers revolt alliance be it the crass expenditure on Brexit or the chumpocracy that awarded millions to neighbours and mates during the Covid crisis - why the hell should I give the govt my hard earned cash so they can blow it mindlessly!
03/12/2020 20:43:37 0 1
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What does that actually mean?
03/12/2020 21:17:17 0 2
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I assume you are talking about the EU.
03/12/2020 22:01:09 0 1
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are you talking about lockdowns?
04/12/2020 06:51:28 0 0
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Too busy whinging about why they can't do what they want during lockdown. They've moved on
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03/12/2020 12:12:05 31 31
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EU doesn't want a deal. They want to disadvantage the UK and will sacrifice their own EU workers jobs for their idelology. This is all a charade

I voted remain byt he way
Of course you did

Leavers just can't stop lying
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03/12/2020 12:14:21 12 15
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HYS, please choose some other Topic. The infatuation with Brexit is getting tedious.

How about a topic on illegal fox hunting and how the Tories made the legislation so weak and full of loopholes for their hunting chums?
Or how about one on the anti semitism in the Labour party? Or that Corbyn wants everyone excluded from the PLP readmitted? Or one on Sir Kneel Starmers complete indecision on everything. Or one on the Labour MP's who want to stop the deportation of foreign rapists and murderers? Removed
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Day 1623, and the ship of fools sails on, still looking for the promised land - where the grass is greener, the people whiter, and passports bluer, where unicorns frolic in the sunlit uplands, and pixies and fairies serve honey for tea. Removed
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03/12/2020 12:20:15 133 57
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And don't forget - everything is 'oven ready'
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03/12/2020 12:33:13 5 35
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You lost. Get over it.
Unsurprisingly for a leftie luvvy, you sound like your high on an illegal substance!....:-) Removed
03/12/2020 14:27:46 1 12
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Yes and where ALL our laws and what our industries and government can do are made not in our own freely elected parliament but in a Brussels conference room stitch up cobbled together after days/weeks of 'bargaining' and back scratching.
03/12/2020 15:16:55 1 4
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I would stop skipping and dancing around the garden if I were you.
Gee
03/12/2020 15:30:20 0 0
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odd that the new migration rules are the same for everyone now not just privileged, mostly white, EU citizens
03/12/2020 16:29:14 0 2
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Nice! Five generic well-worn anti-Brexit tropes there.

Wonderful original thinking!
03/12/2020 16:35:24 0 2
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you got a crystal ball then? No? Involved in the actual talks? No? Then do you have a clue? No
nfn
03/12/2020 17:16:38 0 3
bbc
not all , in fact , most brexit voters are not racist as your comment implies. maybe we are dreamers who believe that leaving the eu will be benificial to the country. at least we are prepared to try something different.
03/12/2020 18:42:29 0 0
bbc
Were's that then Clacton?
03/12/2020 20:51:15 0 1
bbc
Thats much less time than we gave the whole EEC/EU project (over 40 years) and the unemployment grew, the trade deficit grew, our position in the world shrank, our armed forces shrank, our NHS waiting lists grew, the rich/poor imbalance grew, the quality of the products in our shops went down as the imports grew, the price of our energy went up, our debt rose, our houses became unaffordable.
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03/12/2020 12:14:37 294 153
bbc
So are any brexiteers going to own up to the indecision that has negatively impacted business as we decided to go for brinkmanship than working together on the issue.
I thought us remainers were ruining the economy with all this indecision, but you cant blame us for this batch.
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03/12/2020 12:17:05 75 131
bbc
It's the only way we could give animals their welfare back
57
03/12/2020 12:18:26 11 48
bbc
Negatively impacted business do pull the other one mate. Barely any British businesses trade with the EU and the ones that do are using it to drive down British workers standards. 5 years of scare stories from you lot yet here the UK is, stronger than ever.
280
03/12/2020 12:35:05 5 13
bbc
Bojo should. It is unfair on businesses that they have no idea what the rules will be on January 1st. That is why Bojo originally set a deadline for a deal of october 15th. When that date wasn't reached we should have excited on WTO terms. This way businesses have time to prepare.

What makes you think that it is just the UK that has gone for brinkmanship? it takes two sides to negotiate.
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RIK
03/12/2020 13:02:23 7 25
bbc
It was the remainers who caused it in the first place. May was a remainer and thought up a deal that would have kept us in the Eu in everything but name. Then when Parliament rejected that deal by a record vote margin, the remain MP's adopted delaying tactic after delaying tactic, finally voting to take a no deal off of the table. Which is precisely why we now going down to the wire.
761
03/12/2020 12:55:48 3 10
bbc
it was a democratic vote which went the way of brexit we are a great nation who dont need the EU to breath the EU is a failing project run by Bullies and they dont like the fact that the UK has chose to leave history should tell them that we will not be bullied, stop with the negativity and embrace the freedom from the EU shackles
03/12/2020 13:24:35 0 2
bbc
No. Leave four years ago and indecision doesn't even start.
03/12/2020 13:33:24 1 6
bbc
Yes we messed it up, we should of quit the talks months ago, then businesses would of been clear what is required.
So yes I apologise on behalf of all brexiteers for not chasing the EU months ago.
03/12/2020 13:35:49 1 8
bbc
The indecision has entirely been caused by remainers refusing to adhere to the democratic vote - the EU have sat and watched their fifth columnists fight it out and eventually still lose.
03/12/2020 13:50:01 1 7
bbc
Mmm we could talk about the 2-3 years of legal challenges and other remainer tactics that have exasperated the negotiations and process of leaving the EU. Haven’t heard from the Lib Dem’s for over a year... no sign of chukka either.
Ian
03/12/2020 13:52:18 0 6
bbc
1/2 the problems have been caused by politians like Blair who wouldn't accept the peoples vote and kept trying to tell the EU it will be ok and we'd give in rather than supporting the government. Traitor!
03/12/2020 16:31:31 0 0
bbc
The electorate have no indecision over Brexit as they have no decisions to make. That is for the politicians.
So what indecision do you want the m to own up to?

Or is it really rather you want to engage in some finger-pointing?
03/12/2020 16:35:50 0 2
bbc
Remember, it takes two to tango and the EU we not willing to dance until now. They have a history of doing cliff edge deals.
03/12/2020 16:36:31 0 2
bbc
I think you'll find its Covid which has impacted business, Brexit hasnt happened yet
03/12/2020 18:46:46 0 0
bbc
No you didn't, you just want to snipe just like you've always done knowing the proce of everything and the value of nothing
03/12/2020 21:48:03 0 1
bbc
It was the EU who realised that when we left the fatted cow would be no more and the biggest obstacle to us leaving immediately were the French who fought tooth and nail under De Gaulle to prevent us joining. The same De Gaulle who was a guest of the UK during the war and who Churchill did not trust.
04/12/2020 01:26:08 0 1
bbc
What's impacted business is four years of theatrics by Remainer MPs, the previous Remainer PM, the Remainer Speaker and the Remainer House of Lords. We'd have had this over and done with in half the time. Disgusting, the lot of them. Chuck in Covid 19 and hey presto.
Roll on January 1st.
10
03/12/2020 12:12:45 728 119
bbc
Whatever happens, it's what Brexiters voted for, so they'll be happy.
29
03/12/2020 12:14:40 777 382
bbc
Yes we will!
Sorry about that.
186
03/12/2020 12:29:13 60 18
bbc
yes. hate is blinding.

But I understand why haters derive pleasure from destruction.
232
03/12/2020 12:32:13 102 39
bbc
List the benefits of leaving please.
245
03/12/2020 12:32:57 37 3
bbc
Whatever happens?
385
RIK
03/12/2020 12:41:39 23 65
bbc
Don't apologise, it was a democratic vote, they lost, they either get over it, or leave and live on the continent, they won't be missed.
837
03/12/2020 13:09:14 13 2
bbc
Good. All is done.
Nothing has changed. Oh, we are all poorer, apart from the cons obviously

You're happy.
839
03/12/2020 13:09:16 29 5
bbc
No-one voted for no deal, it wasn't even in the leave promotion. Farage, Johnson et al promised we would still be in the common market. Remember the infamous "What's wrong with Norway, what's wrong with Switzerland? They're rich, they're happy". No deal became a thing the day after the vote when Mogg, Farage etc revealed their true hand and it wasn't for the good of Britain
847
03/12/2020 13:10:05 20 5
bbc
Wait: Brexiteers are always boasting how they knew exactly what they were voting for. Now they don't mind what sort of deal (or not) we end up with? Something doesn't add up here... Anyhow, happy that you're happy - provided you refrain from moaning about whatever deal (or not) we end up with.
863
03/12/2020 13:10:36 22 5
bbc
So you will find my children jobs and pay their pensions will you? You need to show them the 'real benefits' not the wishful lies that followed the vote.
943
03/12/2020 13:15:11 5 4
bbc
So you are happy to accept any deal even one that keeps uk in SM CU and FOM
Not that you get a choice or say in any deal

Smart voting - not
03/12/2020 13:18:37 18 5
bbc
How narrow minded. As an "Old Man" you probably won't be around to suffer the long term destruction your xenophobic nationalism causes. My kids, on the other hand, will have to repair the damage you and your friends have caused
03/12/2020 13:20:28 10 4
bbc
Don’t apologise. I think you just ensured Scotland’s independence so at least something good will come out of it
14
03/12/2020 12:13:13 759 335
bbc
Looks like all that talk by The Johnson of walking away in October was complete hot air.

Still no signs of the German car industry coming to the rescue.

Even if they do manage to strike a deal now the first half of 21 is going to be pure chaos.

What was the upside of all this madness again?
30
03/12/2020 12:14:42 309 56
bbc
Fish.
191
03/12/2020 12:29:29 33 1
bbc
Plural or singular?
229
03/12/2020 12:31:59 58 0
bbc
yep fish quotas the UK and the London treaty 1964 with other countries, ran till 1983 replaced then by CFP based on REPORTED catches 1975-1979.
The UK SELLS most of its quotas to foreign companies and a few families in Scotland
The UK only give 6% of its quota to small fishermen
753
971
03/12/2020 13:05:30 2 12
bbc
Sovreignty you mean
03/12/2020 14:08:16 5 0
bbc
and blue passports
03/12/2020 14:45:44 0 0
bbc
‘Poisson’ as Mr Barnier likes to say.
NMT
03/12/2020 14:47:07 1 0
bbc
Goodbye and thanks for none of the fish??
03/12/2020 15:53:38 0 0
bbc
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Freedom. Sovereignty. And Fish.
31
03/12/2020 12:14:46 69 32
bbc
if we end up with no deal, we should blame the lazy David Davis MP, who did sweet fa when he was the brexit secretary
44
03/12/2020 12:16:58 68 16
bbc
But I thought trade deals were easy and oven ready ?!

No. ?…....
226
03/12/2020 12:22:43 2 5
bbc
He wasn't allowed to do much, May wouldn't let him get in the way of Brino.
He is an idiot though!
03/12/2020 14:07:23 5 1
bbc
Yeah must have sucked to be brexit secretary with a remainer controlled parliament.
03/12/2020 14:13:18 5 2
bbc
I agree, but I think most of the blame has to go to David Cameron for the idiocy of the question which was on the referendum paper. If 'Out' was on the paper, then there should have been a concept of what 'Out' looked like. There wasn't, and still isn't. People voted 'Out' hoping that being 'Out' aligned with their vision of 'Out'.
32
03/12/2020 12:14:49 235 97
bbc
The EU are a rules-based organisation and will not compromise their rules to give special treatment to a Third country such as the UK.
54
03/12/2020 12:18:04 249 97
bbc
Please explain which of the EU rules were imposed on Canada?
59
03/12/2020 12:18:34 6 15
bbc
Drop those trousers!
719
03/12/2020 13:03:03 0 0
bbc
Yes, they will. Ultimately money talks, and the EU is pragmatic!
774
03/12/2020 12:57:28 7 21
bbc
go and live there if you love it so much we are not a 3rd country we are the 5th biggest economy
03/12/2020 13:27:18 9 14
bbc
The EU is a bombastic, self -serving, crooked bunch of villains. They break their own rules when it suits the big two, look at the history before you start spouting
03/12/2020 14:32:13 0 4
bbc
May i ask where you come from and if your a Uk citizen how did you vote ? if your man enough to talk your man enough to answer a simple question like that ..
03/12/2020 15:24:19 3 1
bbc
The EU is a political organisation and as such the 'rules' are only adhered to if it suits the objective at any given moment. Otherwise they are fudged, ignored or changed to suit.

If the 'rules' were truly followed many current members would have been refused membership and several others would have been expelled.
03/12/2020 15:38:24 2 2
bbc
Do deal it is then. The EU aren't and cannot force the sticking point rules on other countries around the world so why should we agree?
03/12/2020 16:45:04 2 0
bbc
NO.... but they will bend their rules to suit themselves
03/12/2020 20:43:27 2 0
bbc
"The EU are a rules-based organisation"

They are founded on four pillars. The ones we signed up to and have been able to influence for many years. Then Nigel 'foreigners out' Farage showed up in his clown suit and started winding gullible people up over British fish.
03/12/2020 22:42:26 0 2
bbc
EU is a giant scam for German cars and French farmers bound together by a labrynthine set of rules which no one understands . If you want slavery --join the EU
5
03/12/2020 12:12:05 31 31
bbc
EU doesn't want a deal. They want to disadvantage the UK and will sacrifice their own EU workers jobs for their idelology. This is all a charade

I voted remain byt he way
33
03/12/2020 12:14:53 7 7
bbc
It's disappointing how the EU have behaved from the beginning. Not suggesting UK has been a saint here either, but the EU have seemed to want to punish the UK rather than treat us as the friends we have been for decades
34
03/12/2020 12:15:16 9 14
bbc
The Abstention Party is reportedly gearing up again in readiness. for a vote in Parliament. Wonder what SKS would have done if the Covid restriction plan had been rejected the other day because of Labours abstention? Wonder what he'd do if a deal was rejected for the same reason. Not easy sniping and abstaining ... its an art form ... SKS the artful dodger
100
03/12/2020 12:22:13 6 2
bbc
Tories 100% in charge off all fiascos, therefore 100% to blame. What's not to like.
17
03/12/2020 12:13:37 19 29
bbc
Barnier is a saint. History will show how incompetent the UK government were in their negotiations with the EU
35
03/12/2020 12:15:19 15 17
bbc
Favouring another state over your own nation has a name. Treachery.
128
03/12/2020 12:23:58 6 1
bbc
Wanting a solution which does less damage to your country is not treachery. Our government is ideologically committed to a harmful position - Barnier's proposals would be better for the UK and for the EU.

Who lied to the Crown to gain a prorogation of Parliament for their own political ends? That's real treachery, in a constitutional monarchy.
770
03/12/2020 13:06:13 1 0
bbc
A no deal will be a disaster for the UK as all British export industry (and indeed, those who rely on just in time distribution/imports like car makers) will confirm. No trade deal will be far more treasonous than a deal fair for both sides. There is a reason Farage and co want no deal and it's nothing to do with Britain being great, everything to do with tax evasion etc
03/12/2020 14:13:14 0 0
bbc
Fortunately then, for LordGaGa, neither Barnier nor the EU is a nation or a state.
5
03/12/2020 12:12:05 31 31
bbc
EU doesn't want a deal. They want to disadvantage the UK and will sacrifice their own EU workers jobs for their idelology. This is all a charade

I voted remain byt he way
36
03/12/2020 12:15:46 5 5
bbc
bs x 2
4
03/12/2020 12:11:27 879 103
bbc
Talks going to the wire highlights how important getting a deal is in all parties’ interests and how no deal definitely is not; here’s hoping there’s a meaningful conclusion.
37
03/12/2020 12:15:51 774 384
bbc
And yet you will still have nutters coming out to say it should be no deal or nothing otherwise it's BRINO.

Just shows you how little these people understand how important our relationship with Europe is
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03/12/2020 12:27:12 127 279
bbc
Remember the EU need us just as much. So no we will not roll over just to get a deal. If a deal can't be reached then so be it. Starmer can huff and puff as much as he wants.
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03/12/2020 12:28:34 182 89
bbc
They are very strange people aren't they?! It seems as if they have no idea of how the world works and no economic acumen.

The EU was recently supplanted as the largest trading block in the world, which highlights the direction the world is travelling in but our far-right friends want to go it alone. Crazy!
181
03/12/2020 12:28:59 76 213
bbc
But so is independence and regaining our sovereignty.
262
03/12/2020 12:34:03 9 15
bbc
...and theirs with us!
323
03/12/2020 12:37:52 68 20
bbc
Rejoin for me, please.
654
03/12/2020 12:37:56 2 0
bbc
no deal or nothing ???
773
03/12/2020 12:57:27 17 4
bbc
Why the insult. If your point is valid it will carry its own weight. Attempting to make yourself sound superior by insulting others is no way to get your point across, quite the opposite.
790
03/12/2020 13:07:16 13 26
bbc
There's a flip side to that, it shows how little people understand how vitally important our freedom to govern ourselves is.I suggest you listen to Enoch Powell and Tony Benn. Bureaucracy kills democracy.
03/12/2020 13:21:23 5 13
bbc
You would sell our freedom at what price?
03/12/2020 13:23:54 13 12
bbc
Those "nutters" are actually saying "trade deal only otherwise it is BINO"

Which is correct. We joined a trade area, we want to go back to a trade area.
38
03/12/2020 12:16:00 108 11
bbc
It's all about ego & legacy with these politicians.

A pox upon them all if they fail us.
What do you mean 'if'? I think you also left out 'conservative' somewhere there.

Though also a pox on everyone who voted for them as well.
Removed
03/12/2020 18:23:22 10 1
bbc
No, the whole point of Brexit was to get out before the EU enacted money-laundering regulations that would have exposed the money kept abroad in tax havens by rich old Etonians . . . and the owners of the UK's mainstream newspapers, like the Telegraph and Mail. Why do you think the papers are so pro-Brexit and anti-EU - they want to keep their money hidden and away from the taxman.
03/12/2020 23:14:31 0 0
bbc
They already have.
39
03/12/2020 12:16:12 2 5
bbc
Because there is no extension this time.
92
03/12/2020 12:21:35 3 0
bbc
Thee will be, if there is a deal.
40
03/12/2020 12:16:15 24 20
bbc
The damage and acrimony emanating from Brexit are incurable.

Future generations shall pay the penalty for many years and decades to come.

Britain is now a pariah state, and Europeans will despise Britain and British people long after the Brexit voters have deceased.
65
03/12/2020 12:19:22 10 7
bbc
Why should acrimony arise from making a democratic decision and then implementing it?
90
03/12/2020 12:21:29 1 3
bbc
Wrong

Wrong

And Wrong
110
03/12/2020 12:22:59 1 0
bbc
Total nonsense - UK tourists are and will continue to be financial saviours to southern EU countries -
117
03/12/2020 12:23:18 2 1
bbc
Why will Britain be a pariah state? The EU will still want to deal with us because if they don't they will suffer. They may like us even less, but they have never liked us anyway!
41
03/12/2020 12:16:45 16 23
bbc
The EU is in a financial mess. They have lost the only non-corrupt nation (the UK) and they have an immigration emergency on their hands now that they can't just shovel their most feckless citizens on the caring and generous UK welfare system.
60
03/12/2020 12:18:43 9 9
bbc
Non-corrupt nation? You clearly haven't looked at the papers for quite a while! Billions for chums and Tory associates ...
73
03/12/2020 12:20:07 4 2
bbc
UK not corrupt? Obviously missed out on a ppe deal with Boris, don't worry he'll get to the rest of his cronies in due course.
122
03/12/2020 12:23:35 4 2
bbc
UK not corrupt? I should look at a few PPE contracts to work out the level of corruption in the UK
139
03/12/2020 12:25:07 4 1
bbc
We always had control of our borders! The UK has always had privileged EU membership rights, the likes of which other countries dream of - we weren't part of the Schengen border-free area. We really did used to hold 'all the cards' and now we hold none.
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03/12/2020 12:25:58 1 1
bbc
They have lost the only non-corrupt nation (the UK)

Huh? Cronyism, jobs for the boys and girls, billions going un -audited into the hands of non competitive tender holders. Unelected bullying advisers, ministers who ignore their own adjudged bad behavior. Our very own Eva Peron equivalent lurking behind the prime minister. Just who do you think you are kidding?
201
03/12/2020 12:30:03 1 1
bbc
Non-corrupt! I'd look up the use of Shell companies, and how dirty money washes through the UK like no other country in the world...
42
03/12/2020 12:16:56 1109 475
bbc
This is the slowest 'oven-ready deal' in history - or was it that they just lied through their teeth to the British public during the referendum campaign? God, I hate that we are in this mess and it is the youngest, the poorest and the most vulnerable in our society which will pay the heaviest toll
96
03/12/2020 12:21:54 205 397
bbc
I think it's probably more down to incompetence and interpreting the facts through one's own narrow minded field of vision than bare faced lying.
177
03/12/2020 12:28:31 9 60
bbc
Since the statement was made in 2019 and the referendum was in 2016, i think that shoot down your comment
187
03/12/2020 12:29:18 6 64
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Show your evedence.
251
03/12/2020 12:33:20 6 57
bbc
Get real, get mates
406
03/12/2020 12:43:03 8 83
bbc
NO there told the truth and you cannot stomach it . along with the wrecker Starmer
419
03/12/2020 12:44:03 15 0
bbc
Slow cooker
458
03/12/2020 12:33:02 20 3
bbc
I agree Kate and I don't think you're narrow minded. Your point below is valid - they've had 4 years....not long enough clearly. All last minute.com.
497
03/12/2020 12:48:24 16 4
bbc
Absolutely: well put, and thanks.
650
03/12/2020 12:59:28 11 0
bbc
Gas mark 1, I think.
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Ben
03/12/2020 13:02:40 10 24
bbc
The 'oven ready deal' was the withdrawal agreement which Boris put into action almost immediately after winning the GE. This was after several years of stalling by the EU and remainers. The trade deal was always going to be another matter but the fact is we will be leaving at the end of the year.
845
03/12/2020 13:09:56 5 18
bbc
No, this is how the EU opporates. It's all part of their bullying tactics that won't work with us.
899
03/12/2020 13:12:33 3 4
bbc
You can have an oven ready deal but if the cook won't put it in the oven it's not much use.
03/12/2020 13:52:10 1 5
bbc
The oven ready deal was done last year in Parliament nothing to do with these talks.
03/12/2020 14:02:02 1 0
bbc
Slow cooker !!!
Jim
03/12/2020 14:05:28 4 3
bbc
I've no axe to grind either way. Doesn't matter how (if) I voted; I accept more people voted leave than voted remain. A point of fact; the "Oven Ready Deal" referred to the Withdrawal Agreement, concluded last January. It did not refer to the "Future Relationship". This now is about that "Future Relationship". One more fact, the EU insisted on sequential talks - first withdrawal, then the future
03/12/2020 14:24:38 1 0
bbc
Maybe they use a slow cocker rather than an oven.
03/12/2020 14:25:16 1 3
bbc
It was the withdrawal agreement that was oven-ready, not the trading deal.

And 'oven-ready' was used in the GE campaign not the referendum.

Why will the poorest pay the heaviest toll? That's just a labour cliche.

Surely small-business owners trading within the EU will be affected most by the current situation?
03/12/2020 14:40:33 1 3
bbc
I would rather watch paint dry than watch these so-called "negotiations".
Jollies, more like.
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03/12/2020 12:16:58 435 112
bbc
I own a business and keep getting the "prepare for brexit" mail but what am i preparing for?! I don't want to waste time and resource on preparing for a possible situation. They needed to extend the transition period by 3 months but not the deadline for a deal.
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03/12/2020 12:19:36 493 45
bbc
It IS astounding that after 4 years of this nonsense we're still none the wiser of what the situation will be like in 21 or what our trading laws and relationships will be.
88
03/12/2020 12:21:11 19 2
bbc
If there is a deal, there will need to be an extension anyway.
269
03/12/2020 12:34:30 10 16
bbc
That's impossible to do but at the same time if you extend a deadline with the EU you'll still be negotiating three years down the line. Many trade negotiations with the EU are still frozen up to a decade later.
973
03/12/2020 13:16:34 32 1
bbc
Just received an email from the Business Secretary reminding me that it’s one month until the end of the transition period and urging me to take action.
It’s actually only four weeks and what action am I supposed to take? Luckily most overseas business is outside the EU
03/12/2020 13:27:17 17 4
bbc
Details will probably be announced via twitter the night before judging by some of the Covid restrictions... or possibly more realistically they'll just emerge slowly over 2021.
03/12/2020 13:47:42 26 1
bbc
What is really great about those missives from the Business Secretary is they point you at sites that will give you more details, go to them and you find just the same platitudes and no hard details. You get far more information from trade organisations than the Government and they are the ones who are supposed to know what is actually going to happen.
Dan
03/12/2020 14:21:02 9 0
bbc
Completely concur and agree. This whole thing is a waste of money, time and resources.
03/12/2020 14:47:10 3 10
bbc
No we don't need to extend the transition at all.
They knew the deadline.
Deal with it.
03/12/2020 15:09:50 2 8
bbc
That's your loss then. If you don't know for goodness sake ask someone.
03/12/2020 15:23:51 10 2
bbc
The best solution - Stop this fiasco and stay in the big trading party. This gov and the brexiteers have washed billions down the drain, money that could have been put to improving so many services.
03/12/2020 15:32:01 1 9
bbc
12 months was not long enough, you make me laugh, i know why dont we not bother and stay in the EU, just to please idoits like you that complain about everything, We have left the EU, you should have prepared, else what sort of business person are you ? what next delay leaving because of covid ?
03/12/2020 15:46:44 1 7
bbc
Oh please - speak to some of your business peers who say they are prepared
03/12/2020 15:50:13 12 1
bbc
It is obviously my duty to report you for unpatriotic sedition. What do you mean, you can't prepare for dealing with unrecruited bureaucrats, using unbuilt software to enforce unwritten rules?
03/12/2020 15:57:13 1 6
bbc
No point in extending it.....the EU will always run it to the wire in order to get extension after extension. It's the game plan, in case you hadn't noticed. But I do take your point and it is a disgrace that the UK has allowed the EU to get away with their delaying tactics.
03/12/2020 16:33:20 0 5
bbc
dont you get the adverts every single day on TV? - theres a govt website for you to go to tell you what to prepare for
03/12/2020 17:21:16 1 5
bbc
Your preparing for no deal. If not you go bust, wake up.
03/12/2020 17:55:59 2 0
bbc
Get ready to be blamed by the Government for not being ready, when it all goes pear-shaped.
Nonsense, extend the transition period and we end up in the same situation. We've had 4 years to negotiate, there comes a time (and it should have come months ago) when we say either EU accepts our Sovereignty or not.
03/12/2020 20:31:29 1 0
bbc
I truly feel bad for you lot. Holding a "Deal or no deal deadline" face may or may not be good for negotiations, but it isn't good for literally everyone else. The fact is that a deal needs to be made, and will likely be made, but people need certainty and time to prep after a deal or no deal is decided. They should just make it an indefinite extension during the deal making.
03/12/2020 20:35:45 1 0
bbc
"I own a business and keep getting the "prepare for brexit" mail but what am i preparing for?"

Disaster.
03/12/2020 22:38:45 0 1
bbc
You own a business then if you export or import from a wide field you will be familiar with not only the EU but the wider WTO system. I assume you have marketing, ask those people.
03/12/2020 23:28:15 1 0
bbc
I know how you feel, have you tried to follow the gov web pages on it. You answer ton of questions then it simply tells you to go visit each of the countries websites to get further information. All i have worked out is that it is going to cut into my business with all the extra cost and sadly that means i will have to let people go.
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03/12/2020 12:14:46 69 32
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if we end up with no deal, we should blame the lazy David Davis MP, who did sweet fa when he was the brexit secretary
44
03/12/2020 12:16:58 68 16
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But I thought trade deals were easy and oven ready ?!

No. ?…....
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03/12/2020 12:21:52 6 7
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We have deals in place with 52 countries already. Sorry to disappoint you.
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03/12/2020 12:23:19 7 6
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They are.

But we need to be seen to be punished for leaving the club.

We already abide by EU rules and regs. We even made many of the rules ourselves.

So what is to discuss?
Tariffs and punishment.
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03/12/2020 12:14:37 294 153
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So are any brexiteers going to own up to the indecision that has negatively impacted business as we decided to go for brinkmanship than working together on the issue.
I thought us remainers were ruining the economy with all this indecision, but you cant blame us for this batch.
45
03/12/2020 12:17:05 75 131
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It's the only way we could give animals their welfare back
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03/12/2020 12:23:03 11 4
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But nobody has done that.
279
03/12/2020 12:34:53 33 7
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Seriously? WE control welfare standards in the UK and we can and have jad higher standards in some areas than the EU AND persuaded the EU to move to our higher standards. It's brexiteer leaders who intend to switch to lower welfare standards - why they refused to accept standards into law. Ministers can change EU standards without reference to parliament now. No votes on trade treaties
399
03/12/2020 12:42:37 3 7
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I agree and hopefully we become a better country for this.
944
03/12/2020 13:15:15 2 0
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The Tories have voted that animals can't feel pain as part of the EU bill, marking the beginning of our anti-science Brexit

Independent Nov.20 2017.
03/12/2020 14:23:34 7 0
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Astonishing that you use the issue of animal welfare as a Pro-Brexit argument. The EU has some of the highest standards for animal welfare in the world. Granted, the bar is not high, but it is still in the top tier for animal welfare.

Brexiteers want a trade deal with the US, which has appalling animal welfare standards. The US's main goal in a trade deal is to open the UK market to food exports.
03/12/2020 20:45:45 0 0
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While we take it away from UK citizens - smart!
03/12/2020 23:43:52 0 0
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You cerated another mindless email and trolling handle? How sad are you?
46
03/12/2020 12:17:11 17 11
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No fresh vegetables or fruit next year - looking up recipes in '101 ways with herring and turnip'.
86
03/12/2020 12:21:10 4 8
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That's a poor way to look after your health - google low carbon farming, you might see that we can grow a lot of our own
145
03/12/2020 12:25:58 0 3
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Have you ever stepped outside the M25. Maybe look around you the next time you do.
47
03/12/2020 12:17:15 16 12
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That Low Wage Low Regulation Low Benefit Prof Mindy ERG Tory post Brexit free trade utopia saving only Tory voting farmers and Japanese car manufacturers draws ever closer.

Will Mr Barnier save Brexiters from their own misguided vote?

Watch this space - Same Time - Same Place - Next Week.

??
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Ken
03/12/2020 12:22:06 8 15
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Low wages thanks to mass immigration. Thank Tony Blair and Labour for forcing that on us.
3
03/12/2020 12:11:05 10 8
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About 2 years of negotiations in some form or other. Good luck expecting it all to work at the last minute. Glad it's coming to an end, whichever way it goes. Costing the tax payer millions for this shambles
48
03/12/2020 12:17:18 4 3
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Yep, hopefully we will finally settle the Hard Brexit argument. We will now see if the UK really is a global powerhouse of commerce and industry or if in fact half the population were duped by a right-wing lie.
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03/12/2020 12:17:21 30 28
bbc
Dumbest decision in our history, being pushed through to the detriment of the people by the worst government in our history.

Discuss
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Ken
03/12/2020 12:19:03 17 22
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Only if you voted remain, as a leaver I'm very happy.
64
03/12/2020 12:19:05 5 11
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No point to discuss - it was put to a referendum and the result is being implemented as promised. Get over it
67
03/12/2020 12:19:25 1 8
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It was so the animals could get their welfare back
74
03/12/2020 12:20:10 5 11
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It really is time to stop moaning and time to move on. Are you going to be bitter and twisted your whole life?
87
03/12/2020 12:21:11 7 2
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Not much to discuss, you're bang on
50
03/12/2020 12:17:50 2 3
bbc
Why is "how an agreement should be enforced" one of the outstanding issues? Doesn't the WTO provide a dispute resolution mechanism?
66
03/12/2020 12:19:24 2 0
bbc
Yup, but it doesn't have a navy!
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03/12/2020 12:31:00 0 0
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They did but I think if pretty well frozen at the moment except for the recent Chinese ruling. Still you can expect that be all reset when vice-president Biden takes office and Harris tells him to do Beijing's bidding.
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03/12/2020 12:17:51 11 15
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The UK must retain full control of its waters and who is allowed to fish them. It must also NOT be subject to any EU rules, regulations or laws. Otherwise what was it all about?
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03/12/2020 12:20:29 10 6
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You're going to be disappointed then.
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Rob
03/12/2020 12:20:55 2 1
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Some of the EU rules and regulations etc were pretty good though. Paid Holiday for workers being one of their bright spots.
102
03/12/2020 12:22:19 2 0
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Lolz, fish, get a grip, it's the square root of eff all to our economy. It's been about people being sold an excuse for our own abject treatment of them
193
03/12/2020 12:29:36 1 0
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Prob with fishing is UK wants nobody fishing in his water but be allowed to sell his fish in EU with no tariff. Good luck!
330
03/12/2020 12:38:15 0 0
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"Otherwise what was it all about?"

Xenophobia.
661
03/12/2020 12:59:50 0 0
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Better grab your worry beads
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Rob
03/12/2020 12:17:52 237 63
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Didn't we already have an easy "Oven Ready Deal" back in 2016?
BJ best fulfil his promise and die in a ditch. Removed
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03/12/2020 12:25:35 27 45
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Deal has been there from the beginning. It is just that the EU is so dependent upon the UK market that it is petrified of having a Singapore on Thames as a neighbour and losing access to fishing. We always held all the cards. The EU has made every attempt to undermine our resolve even using fifth columnists such as the Lib Dems!
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03/12/2020 12:28:32 7 12
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Yes - the EU didn't want dinner when we served it up. You can lead a horse to lunch but you can't make them eat...
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03/12/2020 12:36:45 2 2
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It was in the slow cooker!!
754
03/12/2020 13:05:36 8 2
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I think you are confused EU membership with free trade - it is a whole lot more than that!
971
03/12/2020 13:16:26 7 9
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Yes. It's called the WTO.
What we have is lots of MPs still not accepting it.
03/12/2020 13:55:05 10 12
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No, and no one said we did. Cameron and the other Remain MPs treated the British public with contempt and didn't plan on us voting against their will so didn't have an exit strategy.
Blair declined an EU referendum in early 2000s as polls showed he'd lose. It wasn't difficult to see that the feeling would be the same 15 years later.
If we are of such little use to the EU, why haven't they walked?
03/12/2020 14:52:07 4 1
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That was Boris.
Never believe that man.
Pat
03/12/2020 15:03:27 0 4
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We did but the EU believed it didnt punish us for leaving
03/12/2020 17:04:53 3 0
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Better than oven ready: In 2016 the Vote Leave campaign claimed "we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave".
03/12/2020 17:06:31 0 0
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The `oven ready deal` actually referred to the UKs` withdrawal agreement, NOT the future trading partnership. But hey, don`t let the facts come in the way of your agenda. I voted remain btw
03/12/2020 18:05:00 0 1
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It was consistently impeded by the 'Rotten Parliament' of 2017–2019, which also conspired with continental powers to undermine EU exit, and encouraged Remainians to pour scorn on UK negotiators. Many people think that what really matters is the last laugh.
03/12/2020 18:45:13 0 0
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It may have been if the remoaners han't messed around in parliament thinking they knew what they were doing. Don't forget the master chef Cameron who got it badly wrong by giving people the vote in the first place
03/12/2020 20:50:03 0 0
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I guess that was left in the oven and became stale by now :P
03/12/2020 21:23:08 0 0
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No, that was the vote to leave. The negotiations then follow. Savvy?
03/12/2020 22:39:24 0 0
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Suspect you may be right,,, but the boys had to have their moments of highlights? AND THE PIZZA,S ETC.
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03/12/2020 12:17:54 49 34
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Have we played our superior cards yet? What's that we don't have any just Mr Bun the Baker, Pikachu , The Fool and the two of spades, uh oh.........
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03/12/2020 12:23:55 32 37
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Well there is the card that shuts down Europe's Banks clearing of Euro denominated derivative contracts. That would concentrate minds!
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RIK
03/12/2020 13:05:16 5 2
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Ah, but we have the BIG one that really worries you don't we? The big NO DEAL card, that everyone is afraid of.
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03/12/2020 12:14:49 235 97
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The EU are a rules-based organisation and will not compromise their rules to give special treatment to a Third country such as the UK.
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03/12/2020 12:18:04 249 97
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Please explain which of the EU rules were imposed on Canada?
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03/12/2020 12:22:40 58 4
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Read the CETA trade deal. Don't be lazy.
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03/12/2020 12:23:57 66 4
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"Please explain which of the EU rules were imposed on Canada?"

Please explain why the UK rejected the Canada deal offered in 2017?
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03/12/2020 12:25:58 80 3
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Any Canadian import must comply with standards set by the EU. Those rules.
292
03/12/2020 12:35:54 28 2
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quotas on agriculture, no service agreement are two that would affect the UK a lot, as you know
777
03/12/2020 12:58:36 10 9
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none of them they dont like the fact that competition will be on their doorstep with no control over it
03/12/2020 13:34:34 7 9
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Silence from our pro EU bods on here.
03/12/2020 13:48:32 3 3
bbc
Read the deal, there are lots of conditions.
03/12/2020 14:02:42 9 2
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Canada submits to EU rules and dispute jurisdiction when trading with the EU. Your Brexiter inability to process even tiny simple facts should no longer astonish me but it does.
03/12/2020 14:28:28 4 2
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It is strange that people do not want to understand this: it is something totally different to deal with Canada, a country far away and with a relatively low volume of trade, than with a country that you can see from the French coast and with a rather high volume of trade. Canada is not the UK, and even the dream of becoming the 51st state of the USA has died with Trump.
03/12/2020 15:11:14 3 1
bbc
About 1% of EU imports come from Canada. They are trivial. If the UK limited its exports to 1% instead of its existing 43% then they could have had a similar trivial style deal.
03/12/2020 15:24:29 2 2
bbc
You don't want a Canada style deal because it provides a more limited access.... not relevant.
03/12/2020 15:57:32 2 1
bbc
Canada doesn't have a land border with the EU or a 21 mile sea and tunnel route to ship goods undercutting the standards of the EU.
03/12/2020 18:08:42 0 1
bbc
The CETA trade deal contains rules on state aid, for one. All trade deals do.
03/12/2020 22:36:57 2 0
bbc
Remind us where we have a land border with Canada.
03/12/2020 22:39:00 2 0
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Canada is not 20 miles from continental europe, and yes, there are rules, plenty of them. Google it.
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03/12/2020 12:18:09 10 12
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Nobody knows what will happen. Ardent Brexiteers will assume that Johnny Foreigner has been sent packing. Tribal Remainers will be hugging themselves in barely concealed delight that the country is about to be humiliated.

There...that's how you collect downvotes! But it is nonetheless the truth!
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03/12/2020 12:26:53 2 2
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It may be true that you think it's true. But it's not true that thinking something is true makes it true. Show your evividence that it's true - oh, you don't have any.
12
03/12/2020 12:13:06 11 3
bbc
Why do you copy/paste the same thing every day?
56
03/12/2020 12:18:21 2 3
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Because he's right.
28
03/12/2020 12:14:37 294 153
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So are any brexiteers going to own up to the indecision that has negatively impacted business as we decided to go for brinkmanship than working together on the issue.
I thought us remainers were ruining the economy with all this indecision, but you cant blame us for this batch.
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03/12/2020 12:18:26 11 48
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Negatively impacted business do pull the other one mate. Barely any British businesses trade with the EU and the ones that do are using it to drive down British workers standards. 5 years of scare stories from you lot yet here the UK is, stronger than ever.
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03/12/2020 12:24:32 40 1
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You obviously don't understand the concept of a supply chain. You also don't understand the difference between business and businesses. You also don't understand that the UK Government is in charge of "British workers standards".
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03/12/2020 12:30:35 18 0
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The delusion is strong with this one
480
03/12/2020 12:47:19 19 1
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SIMPLY NOT TRUE. Sorry, even the average Brit is too bright for Trumpist tactics.
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JTF
03/12/2020 12:53:34 13 3
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"Barely" any British businesses? I work for one, and know of many others, so you are talking nonsense, especially about driving down standards!!!
991
03/12/2020 13:17:43 6 0
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Just how dim Are you, exactly ?
03/12/2020 13:44:17 9 0
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"barely any British companies trade with the EU"

Unbelievable faith in defiance of reality. Do you live in a parallel universe or what?
03/12/2020 14:00:13 6 0
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Stronger than ever? So we are not in masses of debt and we don't face years of Tory Austerity to claw the money back. What exactly do we manufacture that we can sell abroad? We are a service based country which relies on the public spending money for it to thrive. Not a lot of that happening at the moment because of rising unemployment.
03/12/2020 14:13:09 8 0
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Hard to know where to start here but over the last 5 years the pound has lost around 20% of it's value against the Euro, the UK has fallen to 6th largest economy and is expected to becom the 7th largest, behind France, next year.
03/12/2020 17:05:41 1 0
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I hope that whatever disease of the brain you have, that it's not contagious!
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03/12/2020 12:18:33 3 9
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So who is going to cave in and surrender first? The French want No Deal the German’s want a deal. So far the UK has said it is selling out the fishing industry. The EU can have over half our fish. So how much more will Bo Jo surrender
69
03/12/2020 12:19:52 19 1
bbc
Why do you call it "surrender"? An negotiator who thinks like that is very inexperienced. Both sides have to win, or both sides lose.
32
03/12/2020 12:14:49 235 97
bbc
The EU are a rules-based organisation and will not compromise their rules to give special treatment to a Third country such as the UK.
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03/12/2020 12:18:34 6 15
bbc
Drop those trousers!
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03/12/2020 12:16:45 16 23
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The EU is in a financial mess. They have lost the only non-corrupt nation (the UK) and they have an immigration emergency on their hands now that they can't just shovel their most feckless citizens on the caring and generous UK welfare system.
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03/12/2020 12:18:43 9 9
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Non-corrupt nation? You clearly haven't looked at the papers for quite a while! Billions for chums and Tory associates ...
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03/12/2020 12:20:35 3 2
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Please do elaborate and provide examples. If you have evidence of corruption then tell the police.
10
03/12/2020 12:12:45 728 119
bbc
Whatever happens, it's what Brexiters voted for, so they'll be happy.
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03/12/2020 12:18:51 27 58
bbc
All the lickle animals will be happy to not be exported for slaughter nor for fattening up

You're very welcome.
138
03/12/2020 12:25:02 47 9
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Something like 0.001% of all animals slaughtered will now be killed in the uk. Bet they are chuffed with the news
931
03/12/2020 13:14:11 8 3
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The Tories have voted that animals can't feel pain as part of the EU bill, marking the beginning of our anti-science Brexit

Independent Nov.20 2017.
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03/12/2020 12:18:57 207 21
bbc
Predictable 11th hour theatrics so those involved can emerge victorious and bask in the glory of their own self importance. The reality is, of course, that they have been eating pizza and watching re-runs of Brookside.
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03/12/2020 12:43:14 89 2
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Ha, Brookside is so random that I think you must be right.
03/12/2020 14:50:43 1 0
bbc
Hahahaha yes, probably true.
Just trying to justify their jobs and wages.
Nice jollies if you can get them.
03/12/2020 15:23:17 2 0
bbc
The reality is that 37 regional, national and EU parliaments must approve the deal, there is still a ways to go.
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03/12/2020 12:17:21 30 28
bbc
Dumbest decision in our history, being pushed through to the detriment of the people by the worst government in our history.

Discuss
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Ken
03/12/2020 12:19:03 17 22
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Only if you voted remain, as a leaver I'm very happy.
You're only happy because a vote went your way. Everything else coming out of this you're just pig ignorant of.
49
03/12/2020 12:17:21 30 28
bbc
Dumbest decision in our history, being pushed through to the detriment of the people by the worst government in our history.

Discuss
64
03/12/2020 12:19:05 5 11
bbc
No point to discuss - it was put to a referendum and the result is being implemented as promised. Get over it
40
03/12/2020 12:16:15 24 20
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The damage and acrimony emanating from Brexit are incurable.

Future generations shall pay the penalty for many years and decades to come.

Britain is now a pariah state, and Europeans will despise Britain and British people long after the Brexit voters have deceased.
65
03/12/2020 12:19:22 10 7
bbc
Why should acrimony arise from making a democratic decision and then implementing it?
340
03/12/2020 12:38:32 1 0
bbc
Major constitutional changes that are decided by only 34% of the voting populace isn't democratic.
50
03/12/2020 12:17:50 2 3
bbc
Why is "how an agreement should be enforced" one of the outstanding issues? Doesn't the WTO provide a dispute resolution mechanism?
66
03/12/2020 12:19:24 2 0
bbc
Yup, but it doesn't have a navy!
49
03/12/2020 12:17:21 30 28
bbc
Dumbest decision in our history, being pushed through to the detriment of the people by the worst government in our history.

Discuss
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03/12/2020 12:19:25 1 8
bbc
It was so the animals could get their welfare back
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03/12/2020 12:16:58 435 112
bbc
I own a business and keep getting the "prepare for brexit" mail but what am i preparing for?! I don't want to waste time and resource on preparing for a possible situation. They needed to extend the transition period by 3 months but not the deadline for a deal.
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03/12/2020 12:19:36 493 45
bbc
It IS astounding that after 4 years of this nonsense we're still none the wiser of what the situation will be like in 21 or what our trading laws and relationships will be.
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03/12/2020 12:42:10 33 5
bbc
I suspect a lot of small businesses are simply going to ignore Brexit for the time being. As you say, they don't know what they're supposed to prepare for, so they'll simply ignore imports & exports for now. Not all companies can do that, of course, but if your trade is only say 20% with the EU, then just forego it for now and focus on UK trade - not good for the country, but a lot less hassle.
03/12/2020 13:30:43 7 50
bbc
We should of pulled our of talks months ago and told the EU we are not moving on our red lines, either accept that or let's stop waisting time and move to WTO systems.
03/12/2020 14:47:51 3 6
bbc
That is because this government is incompetent.
So was Mrs May.
In fact, she was a disaster.
03/12/2020 15:11:57 9 4
bbc
Nonsense! Everyone knew exactly what they voted for. Which is why, 6 years later we still have absolutely no idea!
03/12/2020 16:20:29 1 6
bbc
Blame the EU losers!
03/12/2020 16:24:37 1 6
bbc
I absolutely agree with you.
But why blame your own government blame the EU who want to make sure we suffer so other countries don’t try to leave themselves. They are bullies and sooo difficult to work with.
I think, in time, we will get over this and move on, but I will never forget this nasty bullying. I thought we could work together and stay friends with the 27 countries left. No is the answer
03/12/2020 16:26:53 0 2
bbc
YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD!! YOU WILL NOT JUST BE ABLE TO COLLECT THE JAM!! YOU WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR IT??
03/12/2020 18:38:00 1 1
bbc
As you said 4 years on and you're none the wiser and I bet in forty years you will still be none the wiser you just can't help some people
03/12/2020 19:11:05 0 2
bbc
It’s what happens when you try to agree a deal with the Eu. They always run it to the last minute , for a variety of reasons.
03/12/2020 20:26:22 0 1
bbc
Only a dope would expect a deal we want would be handed on a plate, it was and always will be 11th hour even though the opposition tried to remove no deal " our only bargaining tool"
03/12/2020 20:35:50 0 1
bbc
How is it astounding? Did you think that it was a matter of saying we are out and the next day signing how we trade with each other. Of course the EU want to keep control of us and keep their trade surplus. Of course we want to be our own country and tip the trade balance in our favour.
The fact is we have to remember WE can do without a deal and slow trade down, so we have a trump up our sleeve.
03/12/2020 20:49:03 1 0
bbc
And yet your country handed these clowns an impressive majority.
Time for some serious soul searching.Next stop a Trump figure?
03/12/2020 22:26:12 0 1
bbc
YOUR COMMENT IS RATHER FOOLISH,,, IN THAT,, FIRSTLY WE DID NOT HAVE BREXIT (DUE TO MAY SELLING US OUT?) AND NOW THE E/U MOB MESSING ABOUT THEY NEW WHAT WAS WANTED FROM CAMERON,S TIME ,,THATS WHY THE REFERENDUM??
03/12/2020 22:40:46 0 1
bbc
If I cannot buy from A then B. Son in Law is Marketing and very busy.
03/12/2020 22:55:36 0 0
bbc
all business and life and reality is a bit like that.
03/12/2020 23:36:10 0 0
bbc
Perhaps if people respected the referendum result and not obstructed at every opportunity...
03/12/2020 23:52:26 0 0
bbc
Tell me about that...
4 letters received from HMRC to date, mostly setting how things 'may' change regarding the exports I make into the EU, but with no clear guidance as yet, even when the countdown clock on their site shows fewer than 30 days to go.
.
Only thing they were clear about was that instead of being 'frictionless' to sell into countries in the EU, it's going to be rather complicated.
04/12/2020 01:22:47 0 0
bbc
Well, you can thank the previous Speaker, a number of MPs, the House of Lords and the previous Prime Minister......all who were there to sell us out. Had it not been for them, this would have been over and done with two years ago. Disgusting and unnecessary.
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03/12/2020 12:18:33 3 9
bbc
So who is going to cave in and surrender first? The French want No Deal the German’s want a deal. So far the UK has said it is selling out the fishing industry. The EU can have over half our fish. So how much more will Bo Jo surrender
69
03/12/2020 12:19:52 19 1
bbc
Why do you call it "surrender"? An negotiator who thinks like that is very inexperienced. Both sides have to win, or both sides lose.
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MVP
03/12/2020 12:19:57 10 12
bbc
There more pressing issues in the world at the moment than Brexit

Time to scrap this now so we can work together again with our friends and allies in Europe
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03/12/2020 12:23:52 4 0
bbc
Not for the UK there isn't. Brexit will be THE defining event for the UK this century, the virus will just be a footnote in history.
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03/12/2020 12:19:59 21 17
bbc
Is that the sound of German car manufacturers, French cheese and wine producers knocking down our door? No didn't think so, maybe they don't need us more than we need them after all..........
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03/12/2020 12:26:13 5 4
bbc
I think you'll find they're hammering on Macron's door, as his obeisance to French fisherman is preventing a trade deal.

That's all we want. Trade.

It's the French that demand access to UK natural resources, it's the EU that demand jurisdiction over UK laws, it's the Germans that demand control over Europe.

We just want to trade and be happy.
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03/12/2020 12:26:50 1 3
bbc
You're right because there is 60 million strong comparatively rich market just next door. Just the same as there is an alternative 250,000 square miles of fishing grounds.

Peddling political and economic illiteracy isn't a virtue!
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03/12/2020 13:10:48 0 1
bbc
So why are they still at the table trying to hammer out a deal?!
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RIK
03/12/2020 13:11:35 1 1
bbc
It is not our door they knock down, it is the doors of their own politicians. When it comes to leaving the EU, I wonder how many other member states are watching with interest what happens to us before they themselves decide to quit? I have a feeling that this is what the EU (France and Germany) secretly are dreading, and dare not give us a good deal or the whole EU could crumble.
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03/12/2020 12:20:06 11 9
bbc
The sensible thing to do would be to extend the current arrangements until a trade deal is agreed, rather than staying up all night ordering pizza in a mad rush to cobble something together before the time runs out.
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03/12/2020 12:21:57 3 1
bbc
You know that if you grant an extension all that will happen is that they will be staying up all night ordering pizza on the new deadline day. it seems that only an impending deadline will get both sides to agree a compromise.
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03/12/2020 12:22:44 1 1
bbc
Sensible thing to do is just stop wasting time and effort talking. The Gov of ours has no desire to be honest and you can't negotiate with liars, it just isn't possible. Leave the EU, let the UK fail then get a decent gov back into power and then we can negotiate.
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03/12/2020 12:16:45 16 23
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The EU is in a financial mess. They have lost the only non-corrupt nation (the UK) and they have an immigration emergency on their hands now that they can't just shovel their most feckless citizens on the caring and generous UK welfare system.
73
03/12/2020 12:20:07 4 2
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UK not corrupt? Obviously missed out on a ppe deal with Boris, don't worry he'll get to the rest of his cronies in due course.
49
03/12/2020 12:17:21 30 28
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Dumbest decision in our history, being pushed through to the detriment of the people by the worst government in our history.

Discuss
74
03/12/2020 12:20:10 5 11
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It really is time to stop moaning and time to move on. Are you going to be bitter and twisted your whole life?
152
03/12/2020 12:26:22 3 1
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Yep because in 1974 people like you never stopped we will make your existence miserable for the rest of yours. No surrender!
342
03/12/2020 12:39:00 4 1
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I hope not. I hope I'll soon have to admit I was wrong to vote remain and watch as our standard of living rises in comparison to our EU neighbours. Until then I'll remain concerned. The bitter and twisted might kick in later of course.
21
03/12/2020 12:13:54 16 15
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Why are we allowing a tiny band of people who go about systematically destroying the oceans' ecosystems preventing us from getting a trade deal that we need to prosper post brexit? Or is this more small-man posturing because we 'own' the waters and are desperate not to appear like the small island nation with a declining economic and political status that we really are?
75
03/12/2020 12:20:12 1 4
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Don't be so hard on yourself. You'll probably find that it's just average size!
Day 1623, and the ship of fools sails on, still looking for the promised land - where the grass is greener, the people whiter, and passports bluer, where unicorns frolic in the sunlit uplands, and pixies and fairies serve honey for tea. Removed
76
03/12/2020 12:20:15 133 57
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And don't forget - everything is 'oven ready'
03/12/2020 14:51:36 2 3
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Like a stuffed turkey is oven-ready, so is the deal.
03/12/2020 15:04:43 0 10
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Did you not read the instructions
1). Take deal out of freezer
2). Set oven at 2000 degrees
3]. Cook deal for 1650 days
4). Take deal out of oven
5). Feed deal to remoaners
03/12/2020 17:57:42 0 0
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Oven ready unicorns? Bet it tastes like chicken.
77
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Very excited for Boris to die in a ditch as he promised! Removed
78
03/12/2020 12:20:28 13 12
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Europe's Singapore (little Brexitland) on the horizon

Poor wages, long hours, no rights.... what a future to look forward to !
51
03/12/2020 12:17:51 11 15
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The UK must retain full control of its waters and who is allowed to fish them. It must also NOT be subject to any EU rules, regulations or laws. Otherwise what was it all about?
79
03/12/2020 12:20:29 10 6
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You're going to be disappointed then.
80
03/12/2020 12:20:33 16 12
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Can well all agree that this whole Brexit thing has been a complete farce, and that in future we should spend our energy on more productive things?
130
03/12/2020 12:24:24 1 7
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Absolutely. Just avoid signing away our sovereignty against the will of the British people in the future and we'll never again need to reclaim it.
228
03/12/2020 12:23:47 0 1
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no
410
03/12/2020 12:43:14 0 1
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@slartibartfast That's one of the stupidest things I'll read today.
60
03/12/2020 12:18:43 9 9
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Non-corrupt nation? You clearly haven't looked at the papers for quite a while! Billions for chums and Tory associates ...
81
03/12/2020 12:20:35 3 2
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Please do elaborate and provide examples. If you have evidence of corruption then tell the police.
142
03/12/2020 12:25:23 2 1
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Money Laundering. Next!
371
03/12/2020 12:40:27 1 0
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Panama Papers. PPE. Track and Trace being handled by the governments chums instead of a capable system. There's three off the top of my head.
82
03/12/2020 12:20:54 5 8
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Those sunny russian uplands are looking lovely.
51
03/12/2020 12:17:51 11 15
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The UK must retain full control of its waters and who is allowed to fish them. It must also NOT be subject to any EU rules, regulations or laws. Otherwise what was it all about?
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Rob
03/12/2020 12:20:55 2 1
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Some of the EU rules and regulations etc were pretty good though. Paid Holiday for workers being one of their bright spots.
84
03/12/2020 12:20:58 10 2
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Do a deal and get on with it.
16
03/12/2020 12:13:22 5 12
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Macron has finally realised that he will not get any more concession on fishing beyond the secret relaxation offered by Boris. Anyone for cherry cake?
85
03/12/2020 12:20:58 4 0
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So secret that you know about it?
46
03/12/2020 12:17:11 17 11
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No fresh vegetables or fruit next year - looking up recipes in '101 ways with herring and turnip'.
86
03/12/2020 12:21:10 4 8
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That's a poor way to look after your health - google low carbon farming, you might see that we can grow a lot of our own
123
03/12/2020 12:23:41 2 0
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Very easy if you live in a city centre apartment (not). Typical simplistic Brexiteer pap ??
03/12/2020 19:57:52 0 0
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Excellent! But why did we not grow our own, years ago?
49
03/12/2020 12:17:21 30 28
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Dumbest decision in our history, being pushed through to the detriment of the people by the worst government in our history.

Discuss
87
03/12/2020 12:21:11 7 2
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Not much to discuss, you're bang on
43
03/12/2020 12:16:58 435 112
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I own a business and keep getting the "prepare for brexit" mail but what am i preparing for?! I don't want to waste time and resource on preparing for a possible situation. They needed to extend the transition period by 3 months but not the deadline for a deal.
88
03/12/2020 12:21:11 19 2
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If there is a deal, there will need to be an extension anyway.
89
03/12/2020 12:21:21 9 11
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The UK should be very thankful to Barnier for being so patient.
40
03/12/2020 12:16:15 24 20
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The damage and acrimony emanating from Brexit are incurable.

Future generations shall pay the penalty for many years and decades to come.

Britain is now a pariah state, and Europeans will despise Britain and British people long after the Brexit voters have deceased.
90
03/12/2020 12:21:29 1 3
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Wrong

Wrong

And Wrong
91
03/12/2020 12:21:34 638 298
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Benefits of Brexit:

1. Sunlit uplands
2. Unicorns
3. New Jersulem.
4. Oven ready deal.

Not forgetting, a blue passport made in Poland and a Brexit 50p coin that will end up being worth 25p
227
03/12/2020 12:23:07 286 374
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yyyyyaaaaawwwwwnnnnn!
233
03/12/2020 12:32:13 23 53
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I see brexit derangement syndrome is alive and well. Still, you've filled up my brexit remoaner bingo card nicely so thanks for that.
238
03/12/2020 12:32:41 12 0
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Do not forget the extra business for the pizza delivery service.
819
03/12/2020 13:08:33 12 13
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We could assume those are the benefits to console ourselves that we were intellectually superior even if we lost the referendum. To do so would be to learn nothing and to foster another chip on the shoulder for those we mock to sting us again in the future. Or we could recognise the legitimate advantages even if we believe they are outweighed and so respect fellow voters. It´s called maturity.
907
03/12/2020 13:13:11 8 43
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You've missed one out, and a vaccine approved before the eu, therefore saving lives and an earlier recovery for the economy.
03/12/2020 13:42:00 24 40
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Thanks for giving the Brexiteers a good laugh.

I guess I could say that the benefits are:
1. A democratic vote being upheld.
2. £9bn saved (https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/)
3. Ability to make our own decisions (ie. medicine regulations and law, with others subject to a Brexit deal).

But it doesn't really matter because it is happening anyway ??
03/12/2020 14:40:02 11 2
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Brexit 50p coin will be worthless. I suspect a lot of people, myself included, will not want to accept it in their change.

Why celebrate something that is causing so much damage to our country?
03/12/2020 14:49:21 1 4
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Sovereignty.
Yes!!!!
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03/12/2020 15:11:56 1 1
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It must be really interesting in your dreamland.
03/12/2020 15:18:27 1 4
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You forgot to add, it will put an end to silly remainer comments....
03/12/2020 15:35:31 0 8
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You seem to have missed off being able to use vaccines for Covid-19 to prevent people dying. How many people in the EU will die because the go ahead to use the vaccines is stuck in EU red tape?
03/12/2020 16:15:06 3 0
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Too true..... unlike the tissue of lies Brexit was sold on.
03/12/2020 16:24:53 1 4
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Will the last remoaner in Britain close the door on their way out please. Bye bye. Oh! Not the strength of character to go. Britain not that bad then?
03/12/2020 16:34:04 0 0
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bad news for Marxist moaners then :))
Removed
03/12/2020 18:39:36 0 0
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Of course your comments are going to make a difference get over it and get on with it
03/12/2020 18:43:15 0 2
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BORDER COLLIE So what is your point ,its over ,why are you writing this rubbish about Brexit ,get a life and move on ,laughable must be a LIB Dem ,,,,
03/12/2020 19:24:24 0 0
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True
03/12/2020 19:36:05 1 0
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You forgot the milk & honey .
03/12/2020 19:37:26 1 2
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Oh bless you. You really do believe this country can't flourish on it's own. Not your fault, the continual onslaught by the metropolitan media will make you believe that and be scared. But how do you think it worked in 1970? It was actually pretty good for us and Europe and can be so again
03/12/2020 19:40:07 1 1
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Love it how remoaners still harbor so much resentment on a democratic vote and not realise that the UK will be better off in the long run. Yes, short term pain but believe me, there will be more countries leaving the autocratic EU when they see how well the UK does
03/12/2020 19:41:43 1 0
bbc
25p I suspect will be an exageration - racing to be the next third world country .
03/12/2020 20:37:27 0 1
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The passport is made in France because of the UK civil service insistance on misinterpreting the purchasing rules in a way that guarantees the collapse of British industry and their full back pockets and globe trotting holidays. The civil service are trained in oxbridge by the people that gave us Blunt and Philby, they are all Brit haters. Sack them and we would be better off.
03/12/2020 20:39:08 0 0
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The most amusing thing at the moment to watch is how Oxford University will react to the civil servants THEY trained turning round and snubbing Oxford University scientists to buy a foreign vaccine thats 10x the price (per vaccination... 2 doses), and requires very expensive refridgeration equipment. The university must be really fed up with their civil service creation now.
03/12/2020 20:44:16 2 0
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I thought that the passports were being made in France not Poland. Any way, I'd be delighted to have a choice of colour and I'd pick burgundy any day.
rne
03/12/2020 21:04:50 1 0
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Don't forget the Festival of Brexit! We can all pretend it's 1951 and wallow in nostalgia about the British Empire and rule Britannia. I remember 1951 and we had food rationing, fuel shortages and a 48 hour working week. I'm tired of people who have never experienced anything except the EU talking about the benefits of Brexit. Young people will now have to pay the price for this folly.
03/12/2020 21:38:02 0 0
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I've actually got one of those - they don't seem to be in wide circulation....
39
03/12/2020 12:16:12 2 5
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Because there is no extension this time.
92
03/12/2020 12:21:35 3 0
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Thee will be, if there is a deal.
44
03/12/2020 12:16:58 68 16
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But I thought trade deals were easy and oven ready ?!

No. ?…....
93
03/12/2020 12:21:52 6 7
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We have deals in place with 52 countries already. Sorry to disappoint you.
263
03/12/2020 12:34:03 10 5
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These deals are the exact same as we had under the EU, they literally just copy pasted them. And none of them make up for the loss of 49% of free trade a no deal would bring. Sorry to disappoint you.
94
03/12/2020 12:21:53 459 107
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This oven ready deal seems to be lacking an oven, or a deal.
456
03/12/2020 12:46:11 234 63
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This oven ready deal is in Johnson's fridge
03/12/2020 13:59:38 5 5
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Oven ready deal was the withdrawal agreement. Legally we have already left the EU which is why those wanting to remain stopped going on about ‘People’s votes’.
03/12/2020 14:09:32 4 1
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An oven powered by very very low watt light bulbs perhaps??
03/12/2020 14:23:00 5 1
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Is an "oven ready deal" without an oven or a deal, just a "ready"?
Pretty sure a lot the ERG are looking forward to getting their "readies" when they finally get their scorched earth Brexit.
NMT
03/12/2020 14:47:56 4 0
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Possibly half an upturned oil drum with some kindling??
03/12/2020 14:48:29 2 0
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It is oven-ready, like a dead-duck is over-ready.
03/12/2020 15:10:49 0 3
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You obviously don't know how these things work.
The oven ready deal was the Withdrawal Agreement. Not the trade deal.
03/12/2020 16:26:23 0 2
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Owen
It was a phrase used at the time, who could know the EU would be so awkward and difficult
Never mind nearly there
03/12/2020 17:21:57 0 1
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Yes the EU are still trying to make us slaves to the system, won't happen.
03/12/2020 20:05:13 0 0
bbc
The turkey is burning,never trust the oven ready package,
03/12/2020 23:31:00 0 0
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All that's left is the turkey.
95
03/12/2020 12:21:54 2 6
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Is this a new article? It sounds exactly the same as most days for the last few weeks.
As with all games of poker, you don't let anyone know your intentions - and 'anyone' includes the BBC!
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03/12/2020 12:16:56 1109 475
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This is the slowest 'oven-ready deal' in history - or was it that they just lied through their teeth to the British public during the referendum campaign? God, I hate that we are in this mess and it is the youngest, the poorest and the most vulnerable in our society which will pay the heaviest toll
96
03/12/2020 12:21:54 205 397
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I think it's probably more down to incompetence and interpreting the facts through one's own narrow minded field of vision than bare faced lying.
256
03/12/2020 12:33:40 56 5
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The slogan on the bus?
434
03/12/2020 12:44:49 22 76
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The people voted twice for independence because he liberals and labour spent three years trying to sabotage the referendum result
507
03/12/2020 12:49:11 18 5
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partially correct but many of us were completely misled by the lies
841
03/12/2020 13:09:38 5 5
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The Russia Report spells out anything with regard to why we are in this position and why so many people were fooled into voting leave. I think I can say that without whistleblowing the redacted parts.
03/12/2020 13:21:44 11 6
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No they deliberately lied, again and again and again . Don't let them of the hook.
03/12/2020 13:39:06 8 3
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You are too generous. There was bare-faced lying. Witness, "the UK has no veto on Turkey joining the EU" for instance. It is still going on. UK Ministers have dismissed the EU offer on fisheries as an insult because it allows the UK to catch just 18 percent of the fish in the UK zone. The EU offer is to reduce their catch by 18 percent, which is not the same thing at all. Look it up.
03/12/2020 14:18:29 5 2
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No, let's be honest. It was a lie designed to help Johnson win the election. As such it was spectacularly successful.
03/12/2020 14:26:02 5 1
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No. It was bare faced lying. If the leaves teams had stuck even remotely to the truth, they would never have won.
03/12/2020 14:41:12 3 0
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It is more down to darn-right stupidity.
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03/12/2020 12:21:57