Asda joins rivals to pay back Covid rates relief
03/12/2020 | news | business | 500
The UK's biggest supermarkets will return £1.7bn after facing criticism for taking state support.
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03/12/2020 10:35:37 9 8
bbc
So they should and everyone else who got a payment
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03/12/2020 10:35:55 5 12
bbc
Supermarkets have been among the biggest winners of the pandemic. The real story here is not that they are giving back the money but that they took advantage of it in the first place.
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03/12/2020 10:49:14 7 0
bbc
They didn't 'take advantage of it'. It was administered by local authorities, who applied the relief automatically.
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03/12/2020 10:36:20 8 18
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Watch all the money handed back to this inept government, be given straight back out to their Tory donors in the form of useless contracts.
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03/12/2020 10:39:45 13 6
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Yawn.
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03/12/2020 10:36:40 42 11
bbc
Good decision as they stayed open and turnover probably increased if anything. Now make Amazon, who have benefitted from this hugely, pay some proper taxes.
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03/12/2020 16:25:02 8 0
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That will soon change as it can no longer funnel UK sales and profits through Luxembourg due to Brexit. You can thank the former Luxembourg PM & EU commissioner Juncker for those tax arrangements.
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03/12/2020 10:37:40 6 3
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...Every little helps.
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03/12/2020 10:37:40 5 8
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Anyone mentioned Amazon yet?
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03/12/2020 10:39:09 14 0
bbc
You have, but then they weren't given any help...

I think we'd all have heard if they had...
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03/12/2020 10:39:27 1 2
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Won't be long until someone mentions Brexit on here
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03/12/2020 10:39:31 8 1
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Because it wouldn't be a BBC comments section without someone demanding that Amazon pays more tax would it?
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03/12/2020 10:38:40 4 8
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They have effectively been called out. Supermarkets were always going to benefit, and they still benefitted as late as Tuesday being able to sell things other shops couldn't because of closure.
I won't celebrate a store chain doing the right thing.
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03/12/2020 10:38:50 11 16
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Alternative headline: "Greedy Money-Grabbing Supermarkets Forced to Hand Back Money When They Are Found Out".
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03/12/2020 11:19:52 3 0
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They weren't forced, and they did nothing that was 'found out'. The money was legally theirs and they chose to pay it back.
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03/12/2020 11:23:16 0 2
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?????????? nail on head!!!
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03/12/2020 10:37:40 5 8
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Anyone mentioned Amazon yet?
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03/12/2020 10:39:09 14 0
bbc
You have, but then they weren't given any help...

I think we'd all have heard if they had...
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03/12/2020 10:37:40 5 8
bbc
Anyone mentioned Amazon yet?
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03/12/2020 10:39:27 1 2
bbc
Won't be long until someone mentions Brexit on here
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03/12/2020 10:37:40 5 8
bbc
Anyone mentioned Amazon yet?
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03/12/2020 10:39:31 8 1
bbc
Because it wouldn't be a BBC comments section without someone demanding that Amazon pays more tax would it?
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03/12/2020 10:36:20 8 18
bbc
Watch all the money handed back to this inept government, be given straight back out to their Tory donors in the form of useless contracts.
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03/12/2020 10:39:45 13 6
bbc
Yawn.
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03/12/2020 10:42:30 2 5
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yawn all you like Dave - it's what happens
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03/12/2020 10:40:35 28 4
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A lot of decisions needed to be made when the pandemic started and not all were thought through properly. The rate cut was a good idea but it shouldn't have been across the board.

Those who didn't need it should return the money. They made a lot of money but we would of been lost without the supermarkets during lockdown.
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03/12/2020 11:18:28 12 2
bbc
In the first wave of lockdown the government in Wales refused to give the larger supermarkets any business rates relieve as they were the few places open and therefore making vast profits from the Pandemic.
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03/12/2020 11:19:16 1 1
bbc
Yeah, cos there's no such thing as a cornershop that sells food and other provisions, is there?
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03/12/2020 10:40:41 11 13
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Add to Amazon the mobile operators, especially EE and Vodafone. There are a list of several companies like these who very rarely pay their correct amount of tax..Simple govt..say pay your share or lose your licence!!!
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03/12/2020 10:49:11 18 0
bbc
Under current tax laws all those companies pay the correct amount of tax. If you want to increase the amount of tax collected by HMRC change the tax laws.
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03/12/2020 10:47:59 6 0
bbc
They do pay their legal share. One of the skills of MPs in recent years is to convince people like you that the loopholes they leave for the groups that fund their election campaigns aren’t their fault.
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03/12/2020 10:54:33 5 1
bbc
astonishing how it takes one nobody to shoot off their motor mouth about tax evasion with zero to back it up.. and the bandwagon doors fly wide open.

here's an idea - stop relying on soundbites and find a credible argument!
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03/12/2020 11:19:38 4 1
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If you have any evidence that the companies you mention have not paid their taxes in accordance with UK Law you need to take it to HMRC. But I doubt you have anything other than your opinion.
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03/12/2020 12:03:47 0 0
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EE is part of BT
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03/12/2020 10:40:53 42 16
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And so they should return the monies.

It's our money that should be returned back to the pot
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03/12/2020 10:55:20 71 10
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Did the bankers ever return our money from 2010?
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Lde
03/12/2020 11:50:03 3 1
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Just need the cronies to return our money now.
432
03/12/2020 19:35:49 2 0
bbc
Does that mean that every person who took furlough should only buy basics with it, because if they can afford luxuries and holidays they didn’t really need it..?
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Ed
03/12/2020 10:40:54 8 9
bbc
Let's hope all companies who didn't need it do the same.
Companies who got saved by the taxpayer through lower rates, furlough, pay outs, should also pay back a lot of their profits over the next few years.
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03/12/2020 10:45:33 0 1
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Whilst I, and any sane person, agree, you’d have to convince the voting populous that higher taxes for businesses are a net win for the country for that to ever have a chance of becoming reality.
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03/12/2020 10:52:16 5 1
bbc
Don't be ridiculous this will punish tens of thousands of companies and will likely leading to them folding with a loss of jobs. Should pubs and restaurants have to pay more tax if they return to profit next year even though it was through no fault of their own that they had to close and then furlough workers?
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Ian
03/12/2020 10:40:58 4 7
bbc
??They have made so much profit out of this pandemic on toilet rolls alone! ????????????????????
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03/12/2020 11:16:47 4 1
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I'm pretty sure people haven't bought more toilet rolls this year. They just bought a lot in one go, then none for a long time. The profit is the same.
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al
03/12/2020 10:41:58 4 12
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Why were they entitled to the tax relief start with, as they were the only business allowed to trade at full capacity throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Amazon also received gov handouts, while people are complaining about NHS/education pay. No private business should be entitled to public funds, otherwise the distinction between public and private sector is rhetorical!
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03/12/2020 10:48:36 7 0
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When the government forces you to shut against your will, I think a private business has every right to claim funds from Government.
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03/12/2020 10:49:15 3 1
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Private business is what funds the public sector. Private sector generates profits, brings money in from other countries and generates the wealth of the nation. To not allow access to public funds in a crisis like this would kill the economy, and then where would the funds to pay for the NHS come from?
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03/12/2020 11:15:46 1 0
bbc
They weren't at full capacity, hence the massive queues outside.
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Ed
03/12/2020 10:40:54 8 9
bbc
Let's hope all companies who didn't need it do the same.
Companies who got saved by the taxpayer through lower rates, furlough, pay outs, should also pay back a lot of their profits over the next few years.
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03/12/2020 10:45:33 0 1
bbc
Whilst I, and any sane person, agree, you’d have to convince the voting populous that higher taxes for businesses are a net win for the country for that to ever have a chance of becoming reality.
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03/12/2020 10:47:24 3 3
bbc
Look forward to the price rises next year to ensure the dividends are good.

Especially if hospitality starts to recover and the supermarkets lose some trade.
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03/12/2020 10:47:36 10 9
bbc
Any company who had rate relief or furlough money should be band from paying any bonuses or share dividends. Unless of course they pay it back.
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03/12/2020 10:49:28 8 0
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It's the staff that got the furlough money. The alternative was that they'd lose their jobs.
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03/12/2020 11:05:39 2 2
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Dividends paid out mainly go to pension funds and charities.
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03/12/2020 10:47:50 7 9
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Should people that received furlough payments for spending their time in the garden or at the beach in the summer also pay back the money they didn't need?
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03/12/2020 11:14:46 2 2
bbc
How was it not needed? Were all the costs of living abolished?
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03/12/2020 11:20:10 1 0
bbc
Probably not, they kept their jobs? More like the companies that claimed furlough for staff they made to continue working........and used it to do refurbs/retooling/new car for the missus/kids etc etc
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al
03/12/2020 10:41:58 4 12
bbc
Why were they entitled to the tax relief start with, as they were the only business allowed to trade at full capacity throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Amazon also received gov handouts, while people are complaining about NHS/education pay. No private business should be entitled to public funds, otherwise the distinction between public and private sector is rhetorical!
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03/12/2020 10:48:36 7 0
bbc
When the government forces you to shut against your will, I think a private business has every right to claim funds from Government.
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03/12/2020 10:48:39 7 9
bbc
How on earth did a company that traded normally get this (our!!) money in the first place!!! How many more are there who have taken our money??? Needs investigating. name and shame.
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03/12/2020 11:14:05 5 0
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They didn't trade normally. Shop capacity was limited, which had the potential to reduce tarde and therefore profits.
Maybe you've been in solitary confinement with no access to the news for most of the year?
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03/12/2020 10:49:05 2 7
bbc
These grocery store have earned the highest profit this year they should not claim anything from gov but should contribute to help gov only small businesses have safered the most and help should be available for them the most
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03/12/2020 10:40:41 11 13
bbc
Add to Amazon the mobile operators, especially EE and Vodafone. There are a list of several companies like these who very rarely pay their correct amount of tax..Simple govt..say pay your share or lose your licence!!!
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03/12/2020 10:49:11 18 0
bbc
Under current tax laws all those companies pay the correct amount of tax. If you want to increase the amount of tax collected by HMRC change the tax laws.
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03/12/2020 10:55:57 2 2
bbc
You’re wrong..I have worked for one the companies that has flouted it’s tax obligations and very little was done by successive governments to tackle it.
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03/12/2020 10:35:55 5 12
bbc
Supermarkets have been among the biggest winners of the pandemic. The real story here is not that they are giving back the money but that they took advantage of it in the first place.
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03/12/2020 10:49:14 7 0
bbc
They didn't 'take advantage of it'. It was administered by local authorities, who applied the relief automatically.
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al
03/12/2020 10:41:58 4 12
bbc
Why were they entitled to the tax relief start with, as they were the only business allowed to trade at full capacity throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Amazon also received gov handouts, while people are complaining about NHS/education pay. No private business should be entitled to public funds, otherwise the distinction between public and private sector is rhetorical!
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03/12/2020 10:49:15 3 1
bbc
Private business is what funds the public sector. Private sector generates profits, brings money in from other countries and generates the wealth of the nation. To not allow access to public funds in a crisis like this would kill the economy, and then where would the funds to pay for the NHS come from?
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03/12/2020 10:47:36 10 9
bbc
Any company who had rate relief or furlough money should be band from paying any bonuses or share dividends. Unless of course they pay it back.
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03/12/2020 10:49:28 8 0
bbc
It's the staff that got the furlough money. The alternative was that they'd lose their jobs.
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03/12/2020 10:54:03 6 0
bbc
Agree entirely, it’s very easy for people to lump the various financial assistance schemes together.

Furlough paid wages of staff either not needed as some companies could not trade whilst some had to isolate/shield.

Supermarkets profiteering from rates relief however is farcical, and I believe companies should categorically not be paying dividends if they accepted rates relief
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03/12/2020 10:58:06 2 4
bbc
Lets get this straight, the state paid for people to get furloughed with your money. This saved their buddies and old school chums high up the commercial and industrial sectors paying redundancy money. Not a altruistic gesture, a way of saving the Tory backers money
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03/12/2020 11:09:01 4 0
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I’m not saying that furlough money should not had been paid to staff to save jobs. But if a firm who then goes on to pay out dividends to shareholders they are using money that should had payed staff salaries.
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03/12/2020 11:49:06 1 0
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IN SOME CASES??
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03/12/2020 10:49:49 23 1
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Good to see money going in the other direction for once.
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03/12/2020 10:50:08 26 15
bbc
Well done those supermarkets for acting ethically. I wish Amazon etc would do the same,
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03/12/2020 11:18:07 4 5
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Absolutely NOTHING to do with ethics.ALL to do with windfall taxes
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03/12/2020 13:09:40 1 0
bbc
Amazon didn't get any rates relief. As far as I can tell, they didn't furlough anyone either, so they've received no Covid-related support from the government.
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03/12/2020 10:50:39 89 5
bbc
Good to see big businesses acting responsibly. We need more businesses to act ethically not just obey the letter of the law.
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03/12/2020 10:54:06 69 30
bbc
I think they've only done it because they've been found out.
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Ed
03/12/2020 10:40:54 8 9
bbc
Let's hope all companies who didn't need it do the same.
Companies who got saved by the taxpayer through lower rates, furlough, pay outs, should also pay back a lot of their profits over the next few years.
33
03/12/2020 10:52:16 5 1
bbc
Don't be ridiculous this will punish tens of thousands of companies and will likely leading to them folding with a loss of jobs. Should pubs and restaurants have to pay more tax if they return to profit next year even though it was through no fault of their own that they had to close and then furlough workers?
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03/12/2020 10:52:30 5 7
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Don't worry big supermarkets, you've easily covered any signficant costs by increasing prices hugely on many products and ending 'offers' and incentives. You either paid it back now or at a later date - let's not pretend you've done something altruistic here!
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03/12/2020 10:39:45 13 6
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Yawn.
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03/12/2020 10:42:30 2 5
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yawn all you like Dave - it's what happens
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03/12/2020 11:09:05 2 1
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yawn
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03/12/2020 10:53:20 2 7
bbc
It shows how ill planned and badly (or corruptly) this was carried out. Why was this allowed to happen in the first place?
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03/12/2020 11:01:06 9 1
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Government rushes in new rules to appease the population who accuse them of not helping. Population then chastise the government for rushing in new rules that help.
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03/12/2020 10:53:48 6 4
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I hope all companies who have taken tax payers money are inspected to see if their claims were fraudulent. I shudder to think of how many billions have been stolen.
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03/12/2020 11:03:15 3 3
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Fully agree. However i fear the national audit office is woefully understaffed and the extravagant claimants probably are connected to the govt somehow
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03/12/2020 10:54:06 0 9
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You buy a gift card and then are told its only worth 50% of what you paid?????????????

That has to seriously examined by law officials.

If it isnt,the fabric of justice has been seriously damaged
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03/12/2020 11:10:52 5 0
bbc
If you are on about arcadia, it is not true. If you bought a £10 gift card, then you can only use it on an order of £20 or more. That is the gift card can only be used for 50% of the order. It is still worth £10, you just have to buy £20 worth of goods to cash it in. Legally, they don't have to honour it at all, just add you to the list of creditors, right at the back.
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03/12/2020 11:11:50 1 0
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That isn't what happened (if you're talking about Arcadia).

They've said you can only cover 50% of the bill with vouchers. So if you buy £50 worth of goods, you can spend up to £25 of vouchers when settling it.
It's all in the article if you bother to read it.
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03/12/2020 11:28:44 1 0
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The law says when a company goes into Administration you become a creditor... for gift cards you are way down the list behind staff, HMRC and secured creditors etc. As an UNSECURED creditor it is effectively wiped out and worthless.

You'd be lucky if honoured 50% but they are honouring 100% of the value but just limiting HOW spend it so they get some value from the non-card part of your order
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03/12/2020 10:50:39 89 5
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Good to see big businesses acting responsibly. We need more businesses to act ethically not just obey the letter of the law.
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03/12/2020 10:54:06 69 30
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I think they've only done it because they've been found out.
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03/12/2020 11:11:50 6 2
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Yes, and they all need to do it now or they will get lynch mobbed by the press.
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03/12/2020 11:12:45 17 1
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There was nothing to find out. They claimed money legally when it was offered.
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03/12/2020 10:40:41 11 13
bbc
Add to Amazon the mobile operators, especially EE and Vodafone. There are a list of several companies like these who very rarely pay their correct amount of tax..Simple govt..say pay your share or lose your licence!!!
40
03/12/2020 10:47:59 6 0
bbc
They do pay their legal share. One of the skills of MPs in recent years is to convince people like you that the loopholes they leave for the groups that fund their election campaigns aren’t their fault.
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03/12/2020 11:18:24 0 2
bbc
Interesting that Matt Hancock sais the other day that people shouldn't be looking for loopholes and ways to legally get round the covid restrictions.

He doesn't apply the same logic to tax laws, does he?
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03/12/2020 10:48:48 47 20
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Why is there an HYS on this? All it will do, and has already don, is bring out the idiots.
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03/12/2020 11:29:06 31 8
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Self deprecation or irony?
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03/12/2020 11:07:45 6 2
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Well it certainly worked in your case...

If you are going to call other people idiots, try not to make basic spelling mistakes - It makes you look a bit silly...
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03/12/2020 11:36:09 5 2
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Don't be so harsh on yourself.
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03/12/2020 12:06:45 3 1
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Who is don? is he the HYS guy? I need to have word with him about some of my posts he removed...
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Ish
04/12/2020 04:21:45 1 1
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Before you accuse other people of being idiots, maybe you should learn to spell?

Cheers… Ishy
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04/12/2020 09:36:42 0 0
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It's to divert attention from the recent government announcement to open the borders to potential superspreaders on the basis that they have a lot of money (to "invest").
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03/12/2020 10:54:33 142 18
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These supermarkets didn't have to this but they did a good thing.
Now can Amazon please find similar kindness?
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03/12/2020 11:00:08 79 12
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Good luck with Amazon agreeing to pay their way
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03/12/2020 11:16:00 17 0
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Didn't think Amazon got any Rate Relief in the first place?
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03/12/2020 11:51:51 1 2
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Maybe some people can look at where Amazon makes it's profits...
https://www.investopedia.com/how-amazon-makes-money-4587523
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03/12/2020 11:54:01 13 1
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Amazon pay exactly what they are required to pay under UK law. Nobody would pay more than required.
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03/12/2020 12:07:22 10 0
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Nope, because Amazon didn't receive any rates relief! And they are where they are because people use them, they have the perfect business model, and they DO pay the tax the LAW requires them to! Everyone forgets the company was started in a garage and ran at a loss for a decade, and all the "experts" said it was a stupid idea that would never take off. Why do people hate success?
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03/12/2020 12:25:35 3 0
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Business Rates Relieve was only given to 'retail' premises. As Amazone operate from 'Industrial/Warehouse' premises they did'nt receive any relief in the first place.....

But I guess that doesn't fit most peoples narrative of Amazon not paying any taxes...
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03/12/2020 10:40:41 11 13
bbc
Add to Amazon the mobile operators, especially EE and Vodafone. There are a list of several companies like these who very rarely pay their correct amount of tax..Simple govt..say pay your share or lose your licence!!!
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03/12/2020 10:54:33 5 1
bbc
astonishing how it takes one nobody to shoot off their motor mouth about tax evasion with zero to back it up.. and the bandwagon doors fly wide open.

here's an idea - stop relying on soundbites and find a credible argument!
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03/12/2020 10:40:53 42 16
bbc
And so they should return the monies.

It's our money that should be returned back to the pot
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03/12/2020 10:55:20 71 10
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Did the bankers ever return our money from 2010?
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03/12/2020 11:42:40 5 3
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Yes, those that could, did.....it just doesn't make as effective a headline. Also, moaners cannot moan on Twitter, Facebook etc if it's a good news story, so less people get to be offended and thus less people to shout about it.
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03/12/2020 11:43:14 10 1
bbc
Yes. RBS is still partially owned by the state, but the rest has been paid back via share sales/dividends - and at a profit in most cases.
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03/12/2020 12:59:45 4 0
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YES. Lloyds shares made a profit for the gov. As did Northern Rock it was the shareholders that lost out.
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03/12/2020 14:23:18 0 1
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Of course not. The bankers passed it on to their rich shareholders. Those of course include MPs who voted for giving them the handout. This is why we will never get the money back.
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Ish
04/12/2020 04:25:40 1 0
bbc
Yes. They all repaid. Except maybe the bank that has recently rebranded as Natwest
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03/12/2020 10:49:11 18 0
bbc
Under current tax laws all those companies pay the correct amount of tax. If you want to increase the amount of tax collected by HMRC change the tax laws.
45
03/12/2020 10:55:57 2 2
bbc
You’re wrong..I have worked for one the companies that has flouted it’s tax obligations and very little was done by successive governments to tackle it.
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03/12/2020 10:56:15 21 12
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being cynical, I see this more of a PR stunt & some positive free advertising. It'll probably generate more in sales than they hand back.
But agree with most, good to see them doing something right!
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03/12/2020 11:13:05 14 2
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Quite expensive "free advertising"
433
03/12/2020 19:38:46 1 0
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What do they do wrong in the 1st place?
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03/12/2020 10:49:28 8 0
bbc
It's the staff that got the furlough money. The alternative was that they'd lose their jobs.
47
03/12/2020 10:54:03 6 0
bbc
Agree entirely, it’s very easy for people to lump the various financial assistance schemes together.

Furlough paid wages of staff either not needed as some companies could not trade whilst some had to isolate/shield.

Supermarkets profiteering from rates relief however is farcical, and I believe companies should categorically not be paying dividends if they accepted rates relief
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03/12/2020 10:57:28 5 12
bbc
If only BJ would act ethically too!
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03/12/2020 11:07:11 4 10
bbc
He does.
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03/12/2020 10:49:28 8 0
bbc
It's the staff that got the furlough money. The alternative was that they'd lose their jobs.
49
03/12/2020 10:58:06 2 4
bbc
Lets get this straight, the state paid for people to get furloughed with your money. This saved their buddies and old school chums high up the commercial and industrial sectors paying redundancy money. Not a altruistic gesture, a way of saving the Tory backers money
42
03/12/2020 10:54:33 142 18
bbc
These supermarkets didn't have to this but they did a good thing.
Now can Amazon please find similar kindness?
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03/12/2020 11:00:08 79 12
bbc
Good luck with Amazon agreeing to pay their way
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03/12/2020 11:37:10 3 6
bbc
Yes agreed there is to much greed in Amazon.
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03/12/2020 14:08:53 0 1
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Boycott Amazon. Exploitative company.
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03/12/2020 11:00:14 7 10
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takes any story related to commerce, and the nags are back out in force banging on about amazon. get a life
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03/12/2020 11:00:57 4 6
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In Government in Wales refused to give the large national superstores any business rates relieve way back in the first lockdown. Tescos made a BIG fuss about it at the time, even thou they were still open and making vast profits.
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03/12/2020 11:01:01 33 11
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Amazon, apple and other online and highly profitable business need to follow suit
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03/12/2020 11:53:12 11 1
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Amazon I understand. But Apple? have their shops not been closed during the pandemic. If you read the article it about business rates not a corporate tax
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03/12/2020 12:10:53 4 0
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Amazon and Apple did not even receive any rate relief.
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03/12/2020 10:53:20 2 7
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It shows how ill planned and badly (or corruptly) this was carried out. Why was this allowed to happen in the first place?
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03/12/2020 11:01:06 9 1
bbc
Government rushes in new rules to appease the population who accuse them of not helping. Population then chastise the government for rushing in new rules that help.
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03/12/2020 11:16:51 0 1
bbc
Government rushes in headlong to something they know NOWT about and refuse to seek advice of those who DO then look utter idiots when the shops themselves reimburse to avoid big tax hit on excessive profits......... Not "goodness" at all! Get real it's business not charity ha ha!
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03/12/2020 11:01:40 21 16
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And those resident overseas for tax reasons need to stump up too, eg Hamilton, Green
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03/12/2020 11:13:06 19 9
bbc
Inland Revenue has confirmed that Hamilton is among the top 5000 tax payers in the UK, are you?
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PS
03/12/2020 11:39:18 5 2
bbc
Doubt it, they have too much to lose. Hamilton however feels he can criticise the social injustices in this Country maybe he ought to take a look at what's going on in the Monaco?
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03/12/2020 11:03:11 3 9
bbc
It shows how utterly useless this government is, that they thought the only places that stayed open throughout needed the help in the first place.
75
03/12/2020 11:12:01 6 1
bbc
OR, that they reacted speedily to support ALL businesses. The ones that stayed open had major costs to keep people safe and are now repaying that when they can. Better to have delayed and let them all suffer??
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03/12/2020 11:12:23 0 2
bbc
EXACTLY! Only you and me apparently thinking ludicrous to offer free money to them -then criticise them for taking it! Perhaps they shouldn't have offered it to them in first place! The only places that everyone bar the thick GOV knew would make an absolute killing during this!!!
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03/12/2020 11:20:32 2 0
bbc
The relief was open to ALL businesses of ALL sizes who had premises subject to business rates, whether they closed or remained open.

So stick you political animosity aside and realise that this helped many companies survive and given the tight time frame in which Sunak had to get this up and running to try and be selective was unrealistic as no one knew then for sure what was going to happen.
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03/12/2020 11:23:07 0 0
bbc
It wasn't targeted support. They gave every business relief on business rates. Companies that don't need it should look to pay it back but they need pressure from consumers to do so.

You have a choice when you shop if you want to support those who've struggled more, specifically small local businesses rather than using Amazon.
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03/12/2020 10:53:48 6 4
bbc
I hope all companies who have taken tax payers money are inspected to see if their claims were fraudulent. I shudder to think of how many billions have been stolen.
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03/12/2020 11:03:15 3 3
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Fully agree. However i fear the national audit office is woefully understaffed and the extravagant claimants probably are connected to the govt somehow
58
03/12/2020 11:03:48 0 7
bbc
Very nice of them...they just need to sell all those premium bonds and other investments off before sending it back
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03/12/2020 11:04:13 46 6
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Nice to see, thanks to Tesco's lead!
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03/12/2020 12:12:40 6 5
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Not just Tesco. Most supermarkets/food retailers have not made 'substantial' profits (whatever that means) during the pandemic.
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03/12/2020 12:10:26 1 2
bbc
Only because it wa brough to light be a local press reporter. This was real investigative journalism not like to stuff the British Bashing Corp do
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PH
03/12/2020 12:38:18 0 2
bbc
The majority of Tesco’s profits have been created by its online business. It has invested heavily over the years and had some spare capacity in its system particularly c&c. However giving the shareholders a 21% increase in dividends plus 51p per share due to the sale of its Far East business is a kick in the teeth for its workers who have actually achieved the profits!
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03/12/2020 11:04:33 4 19
bbc
Just a PR stunt to try and repair some of the damage from their racist and discriminatory ad campaigns this year.
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03/12/2020 10:47:36 10 9
bbc
Any company who had rate relief or furlough money should be band from paying any bonuses or share dividends. Unless of course they pay it back.
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03/12/2020 11:05:39 2 2
bbc
Dividends paid out mainly go to pension funds and charities.
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03/12/2020 11:05:41 1 5
bbc
Really now is best time to review the tax arrangements for all the online firms that pay next to nothing - Facebook, Amazon, apple, and so on.
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03/12/2020 11:06:13 1 5
bbc
Out of the goodness of their hearts?

Where's the angle?
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03/12/2020 11:06:35 2 3
bbc
Well done!
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03/12/2020 10:57:28 5 12
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If only BJ would act ethically too!
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03/12/2020 11:07:11 4 10
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He does.
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03/12/2020 11:29:47 0 1
bbc
You are right, acting he is good at!
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03/12/2020 11:07:29 2 7
bbc
Shopping bill's just gone up.......
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03/12/2020 11:08:03 181 14
bbc
Rather than complaining bitterly about Amazon not doing the right thing, people should remember that its their shopping with Amazon that causes the issue. If you wish to protect the high street, use it!
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03/12/2020 11:11:13 85 18
bbc
simplistic; If amazon didn't have such an easy light tax ride it wouldn't undercut the high street. You could lower rates for small shops
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Gaz
03/12/2020 11:31:05 10 4
bbc
The high street has been ripping us off for years. Their staff are poorly treated and paid and now it's coming home to roost.
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03/12/2020 11:42:18 5 20
bbc
Its the support the likes of Amazon.. its, CHEEPER?? THAT HAS PARTLY LED TO THE DOWNFALL OF THE CHAIN STORES?? They had to pay RENTS,COUNCIL RATES,ETCWhilst the ONLINE MOB ,,just pay whare house,, pittance staff money ,, and blood money for DELIVERY DRIVERS,, THAT HAS NOW COME HOME TO ROOST THOUSANDS OUT OF JOBS,, LOS OF HOMES ETC,, LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS??
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03/12/2020 11:57:21 17 4
bbc
I see it as a failure of the HMRC to move into the 21st century, rather than the fault of either Amazon or the consumer.
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03/12/2020 11:59:11 11 1
bbc
Being housebound I am limited to internet buying and am not able to support my local 'High Street'.
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03/12/2020 12:18:47 11 0
bbc
Has anyone done a price comparison lately? I use Amazon as a comparison web site, then go directly to the web site of the product. It’ll either be same price or less
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03/12/2020 12:27:29 2 8
bbc
Amazon mainly sells nonessential items yet they were allowed to trade while physical stores were forced to shut. The government failed to impose lockdown restrictions to high street and online retail equally and now it's no wonder that our high steers will be once again the ghost towns that they were in the 70s.
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03/12/2020 12:35:44 7 0
bbc
My local shop is only open 4 hours a day, charges 50% or more for everything than other shops.

As for the high street shops, well they lost me when they started to refuse to sell stuff for everyone.

Electrical stores lost me when they constantly try to force "Extras" on me for everything regardless of what it is.

The high street needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
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03/12/2020 12:49:08 2 5
bbc
We should firewall Amazon until they pay their fair share of Tax.
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03/12/2020 13:07:19 3 0
bbc
We’ve enjoyed very good service from Amazon, deliveries on time or ahead of time, carefully packed and handled. Wide range of goods available. A pity that others cannot compete Just returned empty handed from a shop with a very long queue and only two out five checkouts open
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03/12/2020 14:08:04 0 2
bbc
The high street needs to protect itself. One of the biggest reasons not to use it is the ridiculous parking situation, massive parking costs and restrictions everywhere. High streets need to collectively work at this. Perhaps the simplest would be to get together, announce a closure date for ALL shops unless the restrictions and costs are removed, and stick to it.
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03/12/2020 14:25:15 0 1
bbc
Even better Idea avoid buying things from China, difficult but even if it’s just a few items a year from everyone it would have them grovelling....
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03/12/2020 15:00:05 0 0
bbc
the thing is that by using amazon we cannot go further to get what we want so we have little choice.
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AMc
03/12/2020 15:24:51 0 0
bbc
Yeah it's not that simple is it. Amazon do well mainly because they offer an excellent service, fair pricing, etc.

However the issue is the tax and competition framework in which they operate. Consumers cannot control that but governments can, and much more needs to be done to make it a more level playing field and ensure there are no tax loopholes to exploit.
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04/12/2020 09:15:19 0 0
bbc
Yeah, why complain that a hugely profitable business isn't paying enough tax (due to known tax loopholes, so it's legal) We should all go to the high street, but where to park? When's the bus due? Are there leaves on the track? And the shops are more expensive. But Amazon is big and powerful, so let's not complain about how other businesses pay to support the economy but Amazon, Google etc. don't?
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03/12/2020 11:08:16 14 3
bbc
It didn't take long for them to follow, but it's good news.

For small private businesses, staying open in lockdown with extra Covid costs was a risk, but eg the hardware shop in our village did well from lockdown DIY sales, including to me. Perhaps they should review their support if they received it.

Other chains who were open eg Boots, B&Q and online warehouses certainly should.
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03/12/2020 11:22:29 6 5
bbc
Equally that refunded money should now be distributed back to those small business that fared really badly. Another small business retail grant would be welcomed to cover the second lockdown and its ongoing effects.
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03/12/2020 10:49:28 8 0
bbc
It's the staff that got the furlough money. The alternative was that they'd lose their jobs.
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03/12/2020 11:09:01 4 0
bbc
I’m not saying that furlough money should not had been paid to staff to save jobs. But if a firm who then goes on to pay out dividends to shareholders they are using money that should had payed staff salaries.
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03/12/2020 10:42:30 2 5
bbc
yawn all you like Dave - it's what happens
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03/12/2020 11:09:05 2 1
bbc
yawn
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03/12/2020 10:54:06 0 9
bbc
You buy a gift card and then are told its only worth 50% of what you paid?????????????

That has to seriously examined by law officials.

If it isnt,the fabric of justice has been seriously damaged
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03/12/2020 11:10:52 5 0
bbc
If you are on about arcadia, it is not true. If you bought a £10 gift card, then you can only use it on an order of £20 or more. That is the gift card can only be used for 50% of the order. It is still worth £10, you just have to buy £20 worth of goods to cash it in. Legally, they don't have to honour it at all, just add you to the list of creditors, right at the back.
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03/12/2020 11:08:03 181 14
bbc
Rather than complaining bitterly about Amazon not doing the right thing, people should remember that its their shopping with Amazon that causes the issue. If you wish to protect the high street, use it!
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03/12/2020 11:11:13 85 18
bbc
simplistic; If amazon didn't have such an easy light tax ride it wouldn't undercut the high street. You could lower rates for small shops
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03/12/2020 11:17:05 19 2
bbc
Even if Amazon paid more taxes, their buying buyer still means they can undercut the high street. Even if the prices ended up being the same, it's the convenience Amazon offers that is killing off the high street.
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03/12/2020 11:18:06 12 7
bbc
That is true but people need to be more conscious where they shop. I haven't used Amazon this year, there are rare occasions when it's helpful but I want to support small businesses(including online).

It's the same with hospitality, I avoid wetherspoons and other chains and go to local bars and restaurants. We all make choices with where we spend our money and those choices have consequences
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03/12/2020 12:11:52 6 5
bbc
Amazon's UK turnover is around £13 billion. Assuming profits of 10pc (unlikely, their margins are tiny), they would only pay a few hundred million quid in Corporation Tax. Barely enough to build one hospital.
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03/12/2020 12:39:31 6 1
bbc
blame the EU single market for that. Amazon abide by the rules set by the EU.
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03/12/2020 12:50:05 4 5
bbc
Utter rubbish. Amazon serves millions of small retail businesses. Better even bypassing shop mark ups for real makers via the better service as a proper utilty selling service. Price is a tiny tiny part of the reason we all prefer on line. It is plain better! Open all hours. More info. Delivered to the door. No need to own a car or use useless public transport.

High street is NOT wanted!
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03/12/2020 12:55:53 3 2
bbc
I'd use Amazon and other online retailers before the high street anyway, even if they cost a bit more. I hate shopping, and I hate going out especially to do shopping. I do want them to pay a fair share of tax comparable to other UK retailers of course. High street business rates are the problem - maybe scrap them all and increase VAT to compensate. Corporation tax offshoring though...
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03/12/2020 10:54:06 69 30
bbc
I think they've only done it because they've been found out.
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03/12/2020 11:11:50 6 2
bbc
Yes, and they all need to do it now or they will get lynch mobbed by the press.
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03/12/2020 10:54:06 0 9
bbc
You buy a gift card and then are told its only worth 50% of what you paid?????????????

That has to seriously examined by law officials.

If it isnt,the fabric of justice has been seriously damaged
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03/12/2020 11:11:50 1 0
bbc
That isn't what happened (if you're talking about Arcadia).

They've said you can only cover 50% of the bill with vouchers. So if you buy £50 worth of goods, you can spend up to £25 of vouchers when settling it.
It's all in the article if you bother to read it.
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03/12/2020 11:03:11 3 9
bbc
It shows how utterly useless this government is, that they thought the only places that stayed open throughout needed the help in the first place.
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03/12/2020 11:12:01 6 1
bbc
OR, that they reacted speedily to support ALL businesses. The ones that stayed open had major costs to keep people safe and are now repaying that when they can. Better to have delayed and let them all suffer??
56
03/12/2020 11:03:11 3 9
bbc
It shows how utterly useless this government is, that they thought the only places that stayed open throughout needed the help in the first place.
76
03/12/2020 11:12:23 0 2
bbc
EXACTLY! Only you and me apparently thinking ludicrous to offer free money to them -then criticise them for taking it! Perhaps they shouldn't have offered it to them in first place! The only places that everyone bar the thick GOV knew would make an absolute killing during this!!!
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03/12/2020 10:54:06 69 30
bbc
I think they've only done it because they've been found out.
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03/12/2020 11:12:45 17 1
bbc
There was nothing to find out. They claimed money legally when it was offered.
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03/12/2020 11:22:58 9 10
bbc
You mean they took advantage, whilst still trading normally, and making big profits. It's our money that's being given away remember.
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03/12/2020 10:56:15 21 12
bbc
being cynical, I see this more of a PR stunt & some positive free advertising. It'll probably generate more in sales than they hand back.
But agree with most, good to see them doing something right!
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03/12/2020 11:13:05 14 2
bbc
Quite expensive "free advertising"
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03/12/2020 11:49:13 0 2
bbc
not like it was their money to begin with is it
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03/12/2020 11:01:40 21 16
bbc
And those resident overseas for tax reasons need to stump up too, eg Hamilton, Green
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03/12/2020 11:13:06 19 9
bbc
Inland Revenue has confirmed that Hamilton is among the top 5000 tax payers in the UK, are you?
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03/12/2020 12:11:31 2 1
bbc
Hamilton is an invisible exporter, earning prizes and fees world wide and no doubt making a significant spend in the uk. He also stands for many good causes. Where he chooses to bank is his affair as many others would, if they had the option. Green doesn’t seem to show the same socially responsible attributes.
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03/12/2020 14:23:41 1 0
bbc
Well Green certainly isn’t. Paid his wife £1.2 billion tax free. Puts thousands of work and underpays pension fund contributions. Why hasn’t his knighthood been rescinded?
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03/12/2020 10:48:39 7 9
bbc
How on earth did a company that traded normally get this (our!!) money in the first place!!! How many more are there who have taken our money??? Needs investigating. name and shame.
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03/12/2020 11:14:05 5 0
bbc
They didn't trade normally. Shop capacity was limited, which had the potential to reduce tarde and therefore profits.
Maybe you've been in solitary confinement with no access to the news for most of the year?
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03/12/2020 10:47:50 7 9
bbc
Should people that received furlough payments for spending their time in the garden or at the beach in the summer also pay back the money they didn't need?
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03/12/2020 11:14:46 2 2
bbc
How was it not needed? Were all the costs of living abolished?
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03/12/2020 11:15:25 12 6
bbc
Incredible coincidence they all decided to return the cash almost simultaneously
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04/12/2020 07:32:04 1 0
bbc
They didn't. Tesco decided to do so, which forced the others to follow suit
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al
03/12/2020 10:41:58 4 12
bbc
Why were they entitled to the tax relief start with, as they were the only business allowed to trade at full capacity throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Amazon also received gov handouts, while people are complaining about NHS/education pay. No private business should be entitled to public funds, otherwise the distinction between public and private sector is rhetorical!
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03/12/2020 11:15:46 1 0
bbc
They weren't at full capacity, hence the massive queues outside.
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03/12/2020 10:54:33 142 18
bbc
These supermarkets didn't have to this but they did a good thing.
Now can Amazon please find similar kindness?
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03/12/2020 11:16:00 17 0
bbc
Didn't think Amazon got any Rate Relief in the first place?
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03/12/2020 13:38:53 0 0
bbc
R/Woosh
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Ian
03/12/2020 10:40:58 4 7
bbc
??They have made so much profit out of this pandemic on toilet rolls alone! ????????????????????
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03/12/2020 11:16:47 4 1
bbc
I'm pretty sure people haven't bought more toilet rolls this year. They just bought a lot in one go, then none for a long time. The profit is the same.
54
03/12/2020 11:01:06 9 1
bbc
Government rushes in new rules to appease the population who accuse them of not helping. Population then chastise the government for rushing in new rules that help.
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03/12/2020 11:16:51 0 1
bbc
Government rushes in headlong to something they know NOWT about and refuse to seek advice of those who DO then look utter idiots when the shops themselves reimburse to avoid big tax hit on excessive profits......... Not "goodness" at all! Get real it's business not charity ha ha!
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03/12/2020 11:11:13 85 18
bbc
simplistic; If amazon didn't have such an easy light tax ride it wouldn't undercut the high street. You could lower rates for small shops
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03/12/2020 11:17:05 19 2
bbc
Even if Amazon paid more taxes, their buying buyer still means they can undercut the high street. Even if the prices ended up being the same, it's the convenience Amazon offers that is killing off the high street.
72
03/12/2020 11:11:13 85 18
bbc
simplistic; If amazon didn't have such an easy light tax ride it wouldn't undercut the high street. You could lower rates for small shops
88
03/12/2020 11:18:06 12 7
bbc
That is true but people need to be more conscious where they shop. I haven't used Amazon this year, there are rare occasions when it's helpful but I want to support small businesses(including online).

It's the same with hospitality, I avoid wetherspoons and other chains and go to local bars and restaurants. We all make choices with where we spend our money and those choices have consequences
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03/12/2020 10:50:08 26 15
bbc
Well done those supermarkets for acting ethically. I wish Amazon etc would do the same,
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03/12/2020 11:18:07 4 5
bbc
Absolutely NOTHING to do with ethics.ALL to do with windfall taxes
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03/12/2020 10:47:59 6 0
bbc
They do pay their legal share. One of the skills of MPs in recent years is to convince people like you that the loopholes they leave for the groups that fund their election campaigns aren’t their fault.
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03/12/2020 11:18:24 0 2
bbc
Interesting that Matt Hancock sais the other day that people shouldn't be looking for loopholes and ways to legally get round the covid restrictions.

He doesn't apply the same logic to tax laws, does he?
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03/12/2020 10:40:35 28 4
bbc
A lot of decisions needed to be made when the pandemic started and not all were thought through properly. The rate cut was a good idea but it shouldn't have been across the board.

Those who didn't need it should return the money. They made a lot of money but we would of been lost without the supermarkets during lockdown.
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03/12/2020 11:18:28 12 2
bbc
In the first wave of lockdown the government in Wales refused to give the larger supermarkets any business rates relieve as they were the few places open and therefore making vast profits from the Pandemic.
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03/12/2020 11:49:25 4 0
bbc
Their profit margins have been hit by the pandemic, just look at their results. This is factually not true.
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03/12/2020 22:02:03 1 0
bbc
Define 'vast'
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03/12/2020 10:40:35 28 4
bbc
A lot of decisions needed to be made when the pandemic started and not all were thought through properly. The rate cut was a good idea but it shouldn't have been across the board.

Those who didn't need it should return the money. They made a lot of money but we would of been lost without the supermarkets during lockdown.
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03/12/2020 11:19:16 1 1
bbc
Yeah, cos there's no such thing as a cornershop that sells food and other provisions, is there?
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03/12/2020 11:19:37 9 3
bbc
Simple - If the retailer like Tesco / Sainsburys and alike, stayed open, traded and has paid a dividend to its shareholders then they have a moral responsibility to pay the Rate Relief back to the Government.
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03/12/2020 11:40:44 0 5
bbc
"Moral responsibility"

LOL, no such thing in the supermarket world
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03/12/2020 11:57:47 1 0
bbc
If and when they make a profit as a result it should be a legal responsibility.... unfortunately it’s a long time since morality was a business driver!
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03/12/2020 16:42:58 0 1
bbc
Aaw, look at you with your rose tinted specs on, how cute.
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03/12/2020 10:40:41 11 13
bbc
Add to Amazon the mobile operators, especially EE and Vodafone. There are a list of several companies like these who very rarely pay their correct amount of tax..Simple govt..say pay your share or lose your licence!!!
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03/12/2020 11:19:38 4 1
bbc
If you have any evidence that the companies you mention have not paid their taxes in accordance with UK Law you need to take it to HMRC. But I doubt you have anything other than your opinion.
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03/12/2020 10:38:50 11 16
bbc
Alternative headline: "Greedy Money-Grabbing Supermarkets Forced to Hand Back Money When They Are Found Out".
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03/12/2020 11:19:52 3 0
bbc
They weren't forced, and they did nothing that was 'found out'. The money was legally theirs and they chose to pay it back.
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DMC
03/12/2020 11:19:54 2 4
bbc
Aren't they all so wonderful altruistic ??
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03/12/2020 10:47:50 7 9
bbc
Should people that received furlough payments for spending their time in the garden or at the beach in the summer also pay back the money they didn't need?
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03/12/2020 11:20:10 1 0
bbc
Probably not, they kept their jobs? More like the companies that claimed furlough for staff they made to continue working........and used it to do refurbs/retooling/new car for the missus/kids etc etc
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03/12/2020 11:03:11 3 9
bbc
It shows how utterly useless this government is, that they thought the only places that stayed open throughout needed the help in the first place.
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03/12/2020 11:20:32 2 0
bbc
The relief was open to ALL businesses of ALL sizes who had premises subject to business rates, whether they closed or remained open.

So stick you political animosity aside and realise that this helped many companies survive and given the tight time frame in which Sunak had to get this up and running to try and be selective was unrealistic as no one knew then for sure what was going to happen.
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03/12/2020 11:21:52 10 9
bbc
Well over a billion pounds in returned funds

I am probably being too simplistic but couldn't this money, which the Govt had already parted with and didn't expect back presumably, be distributed to hospitality/theatrical venues and businesses which are in danger of going to the wall and to sustain them over the winter period.
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03/12/2020 11:08:16 14 3
bbc
It didn't take long for them to follow, but it's good news.

For small private businesses, staying open in lockdown with extra Covid costs was a risk, but eg the hardware shop in our village did well from lockdown DIY sales, including to me. Perhaps they should review their support if they received it.

Other chains who were open eg Boots, B&Q and online warehouses certainly should.
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03/12/2020 11:22:29 6 5
bbc
Equally that refunded money should now be distributed back to those small business that fared really badly. Another small business retail grant would be welcomed to cover the second lockdown and its ongoing effects.