Brexit trade: 'Serious disruption' risk at Channel post-transition period
02/12/2020 | news | politics | 2,709
Ministers are "taking limited responsibility" for readiness ahead of the transition period ending, MPs say.
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02/12/2020 11:19:25 194 24
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We’ve had over 4 and half years to sort out border problems, so there is no excuse that we’re not ready.

Instead worst-case scenario planning was largely avoided for fear of panic and backlashes, while when this was done we had Chris Grayling making a mess of ferry contracts.
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02/12/2020 11:24:18 64 193
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The same can be said of the EU. They have had 4 and a half years to sort out border problems, so there is no excuse that they're not ready.
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02/12/2020 11:25:22 27 2
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they have they have built lorry parks to hide the problem
02/12/2020 16:55:17 0 5
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The big problem about this story is that it is from the BBC. The biggest spreader of fake news there has ever been.
02/12/2020 20:04:43 1 0
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The last four years have been all about keeping Farage and the fanatics at bay. Nothing to do with what is best for the country.
03/12/2020 08:51:34 0 0
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What 4.5 years? Most of that time was lost thanks to remoaners trying to derail the process and keep us tied to the EU apron strings. Why would anyone negotiate with serious intent when they had no idea what the outcoe would be, so to use the phrase bandied about by many remoaners on here, YOU CREATED THE MESS, NOW OWN IT!!!!!
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02/12/2020 11:19:53 73 12
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It's all part of the Doris trend. Stick your head in the sand and hope it will all be okay.
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02/12/2020 11:20:52 74 4
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What are we supposed to get ready for deal or no deal.
02/12/2020 16:31:07 30 4
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Get ready for rejoining. It may take a while - but get busy working towards it!
02/12/2020 16:40:20 1 6
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Ask the EU ... they are the cause of the delay.
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02/12/2020 11:20:58 86 21
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Again something brexit voters were told was extremely likely to happen but they put on their tinfoil hats and denied that the minuscule pop 455 million and cumulatively the world's largest economy would stand up to mighty England pop 55 million
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02/12/2020 11:23:52 14 22
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UK - 65m +
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02/12/2020 13:30:22 2 8
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The popultion of the UK is 68 minion, fifth or sixth largest economy in the world. Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
02/12/2020 17:13:49 1 3
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We will not stop trading with the EU so what is your point.
03/12/2020 09:00:58 0 0
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Hawkshound, tut tut tut, you really should check your facts before posting such drivel please. Just because there are more people living in the EU than the USA does NOT make it a larger economy. It's output of the population that counts and on that scale the EU is behind the USA. Does that mean the EU is not the all seeing great thing you make it out to be then, I'll leave you to figure that out.
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02/12/2020 11:21:13 153 27
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Project reality. Who is Brexit really going to benefit?
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02/12/2020 11:23:56 112 12
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A time this rate no one, well maybe disaster capitalists like Reece moggs but I doubt anyone else will
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02/12/2020 11:25:24 8 40
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The young and the working class who will have less competition for jobs and accommodation via less immigration and the closure of the reserve pool of labour (FOM). They will also get cheaper foods from outside the EU CAP tariffs, which were designed to protect Spain etc against non-EU competition.
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02/12/2020 11:25:37 10 5
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NOT Tom in Stockton, obviously! Learnt that months ago!!
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02/12/2020 11:35:48 32 1
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I pray for the day when we see Johnson jailed for the damage he has wrought on our U.K. with his lies.
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02/12/2020 11:48:15 18 0
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Look no further than the ERG and where they have their money invested.
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02/12/2020 11:48:19 18 0
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hedge funds that are betting on the collapse of uk companies share price in january will be main beneficiaries, but they are just collecting on the investment in the leave campaign.
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02/12/2020 12:04:39 1 17
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Still banging on from the remain myopic view. 'Benefit' in your money and greedy oppertunities tunnel vision was never part of the issue or aim. Richer or poorer, utterly irrelevant. Out is right, regardless of anything.
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02/12/2020 12:48:31 1 15
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Brexit will benefit most in UK in terms of £-value of EU-contributions saved and the opportunities as we see with Singapore's economy, the attractiveness of free-trade zones throughout the UK, low business taxes, corporation taxes, attractiveness for Regional HQs, tax breaks for UK-based manufacturing - high end PPE for example, vaccine production and distribution for example, endless examples.
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02/12/2020 13:24:55 0 8
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The economy and people of the UK, starting with the fishing community.
02/12/2020 17:00:11 0 2
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Lets wait and find out.
02/12/2020 17:04:58 4 0
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It will benefit everyone. I read it so on the side of a bus.
02/12/2020 21:13:59 0 0
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The tax dodging press barons.
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02/12/2020 11:21:23 133 17
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If only someone had warned us this could happen!
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02/12/2020 11:25:10 91 8
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But sure we’ve had enough of experts, who cares what they say publicly with evidence when my mate Jim on Facebook says that ain’t true....
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02/12/2020 13:18:06 1 9
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What could happen? Disruption backlogs at Channel crossing? Have you forgotten all that has happened in the past with French fishing boat blockades and French farmer blockades? French customs blockades? All of this has been the backdrop for 40-years, 50-years. Brexit may well see this mushroom yet again but Brexit also gives us the freedom from EU-cost-burden and EU-business-support-strangulation.
02/12/2020 17:01:38 0 4
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It hasn't yet and may not happen. Wait and see.
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02/12/2020 11:21:29 10 29
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More project fear from petulant remainers - at the end of the day I'm sure that the media will be able to fin a truck or two held up in customs, but in the wider scheme of things everything will be fine.
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02/12/2020 11:35:01 9 0
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Of course you are blaming remainers for project fear! To date we don't have the "oven ready" deal we were informed by our government agreed!
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jon
02/12/2020 11:21:46 14 6
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It we get a deal, maybe a six month adjustment period could be agreed for the benefit of both sides. This would avoid a cliff edge and allow exporters and importers to get the checks and paperwork running smoothly by the summer.
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02/12/2020 11:25:09 14 2
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The ERG don't like the sound of that 6 month bit. So it won't happen.
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02/12/2020 11:26:06 13 1
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Hmm, This is a sensible and logical suggestion. I think you missed the memo stating that sensible and logical suggestions are just "remoaning" and that they should be ignored as we march toward the cliff edge.
920
02/12/2020 14:03:17 1 0
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Which could have been agreed 3 or 4 years ago...

BoJo likes the cliff edge.
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02/12/2020 11:22:01 9 28
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Meg Hillier is a vocal remainer, what else did you expect? A ringing endorsement?! ??
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02/12/2020 11:25:21 15 3
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Bojo was a Remainer once. Maybe he'll switch back once he sees the chaos which will forever be associated with him.
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02/12/2020 11:32:09 5 1
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What about the majority of the Committee being Tories? Are they remainers as well? Your excuses are wearing a little thin.??
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02/12/2020 11:22:32 9 35
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The headline should read "Group of MPs who are against Brexit, as they have been taking money home from the EU in wheelbarrows for the past 15 years, vocalise scary messages on subjects they do not fully understand"
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02/12/2020 11:23:37 21 0
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How would you get that onto the front page of the Express and still have room for a picture of Diana?
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02/12/2020 11:29:52 7 0
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As the majority of them are Tory MPs, how can they be against Brexit? You really a scraping the barrel now.
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del
02/12/2020 12:05:49 2 0
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And how are they different from all the the MP's who want Brexit.
I did not vote for Brexit, but I accept it and it is no surprise that the Government has no idea what it is doing and have never been able to quantify the benefits to Brexit.
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02/12/2020 11:22:47 238 42
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Limited responsibility, LOL. "We got Brexit done, the rest is up to you".

What a shower.
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02/12/2020 11:33:06 160 19
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yup, next we will hear that it’s not their fault that everything failed but is the civil servants fault (even though civil servants can’t sign off on large swathes of funding or legislation without ministerial approval)
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02/12/2020 11:58:34 0 26
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Duh. The actuality is that it really is down to every business to get themselves prepared. All the guidance on the 'how to do' is there and has been for years. The export process is the same for everyone exporting/importing outside of EU and now will be the same to/from EU.
None of it is 'rocket science'. All this 'bleating' is from those who want it all to be the same as it has always been.
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02/12/2020 11:23:00 6 30
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Along with planes crashing, banks leaving and world war 3?

I'll believe it when it happens
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02/12/2020 11:24:20 23 4
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Ah, little Englanders.
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02/12/2020 11:29:08 7 1
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Nobody said planes would crash, and it was the Leave campaign that talked about WWIII. Do you have nothing else?
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02/12/2020 11:23:32 93 23
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Brexit fans won't be bothered. They've retired and they don't buy anything.
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02/12/2020 11:25:23 93 19
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Retired ,and worse, reading the Express.
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02/12/2020 11:27:25 23 1
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The ones that spend winter in the sun in europe who have just found out their stay will be limited to 90 days seem quite bothered.
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02/12/2020 13:07:48 1 6
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Retired very happy for all the job opportunities Brexit brings to the table with free-trade zone structures that will be in place. Government support for business will no longer be tethered to EU measures that prevent our growth. Just compare the difference between Deutsche Post and Royal Mail where German economies of scale have come into play whereas UK will now replicate that outside EU.
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02/12/2020 13:35:07 3 0
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Don't tar us all with that brush. I'm retired , voted remain and proud of it
02/12/2020 17:17:16 0 1
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I'm sure your parents and grandparents love you.
03/12/2020 07:15:23 0 1
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So wrong! There are many Brexit voters across the generations I should know I work with them and friends too!
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02/12/2020 11:23:37 376 64
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There should be absolutely no excuses from the current government for a failure to manage the transition.

Given their insistence since 2016 how easy and beneficial Brexit would be, any problems must be the consequence of complacency, incompetence and dishonesty.
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02/12/2020 11:45:34 83 303
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Perhaps it is down to the EU playing games by delaying a deal in the hope that Remainers will force changes detrimental to the UK but beneficial for it! Judge Boris ( I mean Dominic Cummings) on the end result. We are nearly there.
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Pip
02/12/2020 11:52:20 72 6
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It is, absolutely correct, plus all those stupid enough to believe in it from the outset. The pigeons are coming home to roost..........?
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02/12/2020 11:55:01 7 71
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Talking nonsense. Only 'problems' will be those who haven't got themselves prepared and there are no excuses whatsoever for that given export requirements are no different to anywhere else except for minor EU-specifics and bloody-mindedness at the border. This has always been the case since more than 40-years of cross-border experience.
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02/12/2020 12:04:49 42 3
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I do agree there should be no excuses, but there will be.
we have seen how the conservatives operate under pressure, very badly, the transition will be the same, only if we end up with not enough on the shelves will people start to turn, or if things get really expensive which I expect we will see soon enough, if prices do go up I think people will suffer as families run out of money
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02/12/2020 11:50:31 10 79
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Or to put it more accurately, Terry, the delaying tactics and arrogance showed by the reman democracy denier camp in trying to derail the process has lead directly to some delays.

And still the remain camp are battling on and doing their best to destroy the country. Time to give it up Terry and to start working in the national interest. If you wouldn't mind.
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Tim
02/12/2020 13:06:27 6 1
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...or perhaps they just lied!
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02/12/2020 13:17:16 2 10
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The government rightly says that Brexit will be beneficial. Where did they say that it would be easy? We have got to disentangle 40 years of European control of our affairs, laws, and institutions.
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02/12/2020 13:27:06 1 12
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One excuse could be that roughly half the government and half the country have been desperately trying to scupper any deal to try and prove they were right rather than accepting losing, strangely the same people laugh at trumps denial of losing yet act the same
02/12/2020 16:49:58 0 2
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Its only a risk, nothing confirmed yet. Once again a load of scare mongering and the gullible always believe it as being true.
02/12/2020 16:59:26 0 0
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Just dishonesty...
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02/12/2020 11:22:32 9 35
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The headline should read "Group of MPs who are against Brexit, as they have been taking money home from the EU in wheelbarrows for the past 15 years, vocalise scary messages on subjects they do not fully understand"
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02/12/2020 11:23:37 21 0
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How would you get that onto the front page of the Express and still have room for a picture of Diana?
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02/12/2020 11:25:48 0 6
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A fair point. Although this is the BBC, not the opinionated gutter press. This article is nothing but gutter press tittletattle. I want the news, not tittletattle. Hence why I don't buy newspapers
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02/12/2020 13:35:30 2 0
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I wonder what'll happen to the Daily Excess when its readership kicks the bucket en masse?

Remember, a baby boom also means a mortality boom. Boom - shake shake shake the tomb.
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02/12/2020 11:23:51 10 36
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Negative News again! Just like the Graun! Just like BBC 'News', etc!

GET BREXIT DONE!!
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02/12/2020 11:26:47 17 2
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It is done, that's the problem. Doing it was easy, making it work needs competence, and there's the rub
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02/12/2020 11:27:31 6 0
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You really are out of touch aren't you!
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02/12/2020 11:33:06 5 0
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You clearly believe all is well even though the technology at our borders is not yet fit (tested) for purpose.
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CH
02/12/2020 11:58:42 1 0
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Feel free to post links to some positive news...we can wait.
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02/12/2020 11:20:58 86 21
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Again something brexit voters were told was extremely likely to happen but they put on their tinfoil hats and denied that the minuscule pop 455 million and cumulatively the world's largest economy would stand up to mighty England pop 55 million
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02/12/2020 11:23:52 14 22
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UK - 65m +
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02/12/2020 11:34:36 18 1
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Aye and at this rate how long do you think the uk will last together.
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02/12/2020 11:47:42 15 0
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The UK will not last brexit and Bozo will be the last nails in its coffin
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02/12/2020 11:49:29 9 0
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England 56 million about 85% of UK
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02/12/2020 11:21:13 153 27
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Project reality. Who is Brexit really going to benefit?
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02/12/2020 11:23:56 112 12
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A time this rate no one, well maybe disaster capitalists like Reece moggs but I doubt anyone else will
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02/12/2020 13:26:23 0 7
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Can you write in English? Who is 'Reece moggs'?
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02/12/2020 11:24:00 199 35
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Four years on from the Referendum, one year from having actually left EU and chaos is predicted. Can anyone defend the organisational powers of this Gov?

ps if you are thinking of defending them, think how well they handled the pandemic.
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02/12/2020 11:33:03 13 97
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What are the similarities between the arrangement of import/export transportation and attempting to overcome the problems of a pandemic?
My opinion of their competence in respect of one, has not affected my opinion of the government's abilities regarding the latter.
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02/12/2020 12:21:05 2 22
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The chaos predicted has nothing to do with this government. It will be either the business was not prepared for export/import simplified procedures paperwork and there are no excuses whatsoever on that front as these have been in place for years, or French EU bloody-mindedness at the border which can be the case at all borders except more so with France where farmers fishermen often blockade.
02/12/2020 16:56:32 0 1
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You hit the nail on the head. It is only predictions. And we all know how wrong they can be.
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02/12/2020 11:24:04 176 30
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There is no level of damage, disruption, loss etc that is too much - to go back on Brexit now would mean people having to admit their mistakes and that what was promised simply can't be delivered. We're steering into the iceberg and that's sadly an end to it.
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02/12/2020 12:15:39 16 105
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Another one having no understanding of export/import procedures paperwork. If you did then you'd know these requirements have always been in place for export/import regardless the country and will be basically the same for EU apart from EU-specifics as is the case with all countries. Any issues will likely be French EU bloody-mindedness at the border same as always the case.
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02/12/2020 12:07:37 1 24
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Rubbish ! We won get over it ! Now were out of the so called failed eu supper state were free to rule our selfs again and can protect our fishes ! Name on down side to Brexit !
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02/12/2020 11:24:16 5 12
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"Labour's Meg Hillier, said the prime minister's promise of an "oven ready" Brexit deal at the last election had become more of a "cold turkey"."

That was the WA, so is she lying or just bad at her job?

Although admittedly that oven ready deal had an oven glove left inside judging by the IMB.
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02/12/2020 11:32:59 2 1
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"That was the WA" - is that the one that Boris and his chums have voted to ignore and break International law in the process?
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02/12/2020 11:19:25 194 24
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We’ve had over 4 and half years to sort out border problems, so there is no excuse that we’re not ready.

Instead worst-case scenario planning was largely avoided for fear of panic and backlashes, while when this was done we had Chris Grayling making a mess of ferry contracts.
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02/12/2020 11:24:18 64 193
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The same can be said of the EU. They have had 4 and a half years to sort out border problems, so there is no excuse that they're not ready.
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02/12/2020 11:31:38 54 5
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Europe is ready but it is the brits who still want to holiday here that are going to pay the price...
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02/12/2020 11:40:04 44 3
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Those who want out, solve the problem of their making!
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02/12/2020 11:40:16 45 3
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The article is about our borders, fool. Turning the question around by replacing UK with EU doesn't work in this case.
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02/12/2020 11:53:19 27 0
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DFDS are to launch a Rosslare-Dunkirk ferry bypassing the UK. Pretty simple this paperless trade stuff.
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Pip
02/12/2020 11:55:29 39 1
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Our stupid decision is hardly their fault.........?
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02/12/2020 11:56:02 24 1
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THe EU border system has been there for decades, why on earth would they want to change it? It's the UK who wants a border!
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02/12/2020 12:01:08 24 0
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Hi Gunga Din, I'm confused this is an article about the UK not being ready, I wasn't aware that the EU ports were unable to process the 7% of their imports (there have been no reports of Rotterdam being snarled up just Felixstowe). Perhaps you could cite a reputable news source where I can catch up?

Or are you just lashing out at the people you feel are saying "told you so" for your vote in 2016?
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del
02/12/2020 12:07:42 25 0
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But it is the UK that wants out, NOT the EU. It is Our governments responsibility to deliver what they promised (which was exactly nothing B.T.W)
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CH
02/12/2020 12:09:42 22 0
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Why do you want the EU to interfere with our borders when I thought we are meant to be taking back control? It was our choice to leave so it's our responsibility.
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02/12/2020 12:32:46 11 0
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they are...
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Tim
02/12/2020 13:09:26 15 0
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Apart from, of course, the cold hard yet inconvenient fact that the EU did not initiate this chaos. You voted for it - own it
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Tim
02/12/2020 13:19:10 11 0
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They have, hence the lorry parks, extra trained customs officers, new IT systems to cope with the additional paperwork, guidance issued to all frontier countries. It is the liar who has done squat because 'we held all the cards' so the EU would obviously fold and give us what we demanded.
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02/12/2020 13:19:39 13 0
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They are, get your head out of the Daily Mail and do some research!
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02/12/2020 13:23:27 10 0
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The problems are on our side not theirs. The increase in Red Tape was an inevitable consequence of trying to untie from the EU. You were warned, you called it Project Fear. You knew what you voted for; and this is it, a great big pile of stinking p00. You made it, about time you accepted the consequences and stopped trying to blame others. Your mess, OWN IT
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02/12/2020 13:28:32 6 0
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They are ready. We are not.
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02/12/2020 13:29:36 4 0
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The same Chris Grayling that now works part time advising Hutchinson Ports for £100k? Seven hours a week work.
02/12/2020 14:30:08 2 0
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Ready Made Mess well done.
02/12/2020 14:49:02 7 0
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EU not to blame it's the brexiteers mess period. Own it princess
02/12/2020 15:05:50 4 0
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Your comment defies logic
02/12/2020 17:01:46 5 0
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They sorted out their border problems when they implemented the Schengen Area for most EU countries. There are almost no borders and hence no border problems.
02/12/2020 17:02:16 3 0
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It's the UK leaving the EU, not the other way around. Whos' border with who?
02/12/2020 17:37:38 2 0
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The EU did not ask us to leave. We are the ones bailing out if the “club” so surely the onus is on us to drive things through. Typical of Brexit supporters to pass the buck. Time to own the mess you have created. Only the dim witted amongst us could have believed this was going to be easy!
02/12/2020 17:57:32 1 0
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They are ready .
Their task is easy.
02/12/2020 19:28:53 1 0
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But the UK Gov't are the ones who said it was all going to be fine, no problems.
02/12/2020 20:06:51 2 0
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The problems are of our making, and they seem to have done more to sort out their side than we have.
03/12/2020 08:20:36 0 0
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They ARE ready. It's the UK that's the problem.
03/12/2020 09:20:11 0 0
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The EU are responsible for the UK not knowinwg what will happen in the 31st of December - on the 3rd of December?

You clapped out clowns are worse every week. This is YOUR FAULT, grandad. Every single last bit of it.
bds
03/12/2020 11:57:59 0 0
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Why should they make any effort, we asked to leave, not them, onus is on us to do the best we can. Having said that, with the bunch of incompetent, complacent idiots that have been negotiating on our behalf, what chance have we got?
03/12/2020 12:06:03 0 0
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W-t-f? We are ready to the extent we need to. If our readiness contributes (which I doubt btw) in making east Anglia a portaloo salesman paradise, that's a problem of a third country. We may consider doing compromises to mitigate that, but we will not drive the mitigations as it's not in out interest.

It seems to be very hard to understand that not being a member comes with side effects.
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02/12/2020 11:23:00 6 30
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Along with planes crashing, banks leaving and world war 3?

I'll believe it when it happens
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02/12/2020 11:24:20 23 4
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Ah, little Englanders.
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02/12/2020 11:27:50 1 9
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Calling people names is not an argument.

Your 'predictions' have proved to be totally false including "immediate and severe recession" , not my problem if the truth hurts
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02/12/2020 11:24:57 84 16
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Serious disruption risk at channel ports? Serious disruption risk period.
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02/12/2020 12:39:02 8 55
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The only serious disruption risk are those businesses not prepared, and no excuses for that given Simplified procedures Authorised Economic Operator were in preparation since 2005 and in place since 2010, and disruption at the border for which France is renowned with the added flavour of farmer and fishermen blockades. And now of course EU bloody-mindedness with UK at all EU-borders.
02/12/2020 17:10:34 0 3
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People should stop believing everything they read and start thinking for themselves.
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jon
02/12/2020 11:21:46 14 6
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It we get a deal, maybe a six month adjustment period could be agreed for the benefit of both sides. This would avoid a cliff edge and allow exporters and importers to get the checks and paperwork running smoothly by the summer.
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02/12/2020 11:25:09 14 2
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The ERG don't like the sound of that 6 month bit. So it won't happen.
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02/12/2020 11:29:25 5 1
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If Labour and the bulk of the Tories agree then all the ERG can do is go in the corner and sulk.
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02/12/2020 11:21:23 133 17
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If only someone had warned us this could happen!
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02/12/2020 11:25:10 91 8
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But sure we’ve had enough of experts, who cares what they say publicly with evidence when my mate Jim on Facebook says that ain’t true....
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02/12/2020 11:47:28 8 0
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Is Jim married to Karen?
02/12/2020 17:04:18 0 6
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It depends which experts the BBC want to publicise. You can always find experts from both sides of the argument. We all know the BBC are pro EU.
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02/12/2020 11:20:27 200 36
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No one trusts the British government.
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02/12/2020 11:38:54 98 27
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Yes thats obviously true. No one in the world ??
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02/12/2020 11:44:58 18 2
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But 'the establishment' and its newspaper chums persuaded the public otherwise.
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02/12/2020 11:56:04 13 2
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The EU is a decent arbiter
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02/12/2020 12:47:22 17 1
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Not even the British people

We have a weak leader that has the attention span of a gnat whose greatest skills are sarcastic quips and high profile photoshoots
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02/12/2020 13:21:23 3 19
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No one trusts the EU. They tried to shaft us.
02/12/2020 16:57:29 2 5
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So funny you should be on the stage....the first one out of town.
02/12/2020 21:46:09 0 2
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Even fewer trust the corrupt EU & its unthinking supporters.
03/12/2020 09:52:07 0 1
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That's definitely a comment posted from outside the UK!
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02/12/2020 11:22:01 9 28
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Meg Hillier is a vocal remainer, what else did you expect? A ringing endorsement?! ??
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02/12/2020 11:25:21 15 3
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Bojo was a Remainer once. Maybe he'll switch back once he sees the chaos which will forever be associated with him.
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02/12/2020 11:31:34 4 1
bbc
Neville Chamberlain will be remembered as the worst Tory Prime Minister until Boris Johnson...
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02/12/2020 11:36:14 1 3
bbc
Thanks for the fortune telling . Can I have the lottery numbers please? ??
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02/12/2020 11:19:25 194 24
bbc
We’ve had over 4 and half years to sort out border problems, so there is no excuse that we’re not ready.

Instead worst-case scenario planning was largely avoided for fear of panic and backlashes, while when this was done we had Chris Grayling making a mess of ferry contracts.
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02/12/2020 11:25:22 27 2
bbc
they have they have built lorry parks to hide the problem
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02/12/2020 11:23:32 93 23
bbc
Brexit fans won't be bothered. They've retired and they don't buy anything.
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02/12/2020 11:25:23 93 19
bbc
Retired ,and worse, reading the Express.
Retired or retarded? Removed
02/12/2020 17:16:46 0 0
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So you are the one.
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02/12/2020 11:21:13 153 27
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Project reality. Who is Brexit really going to benefit?
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02/12/2020 11:25:24 8 40
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The young and the working class who will have less competition for jobs and accommodation via less immigration and the closure of the reserve pool of labour (FOM). They will also get cheaper foods from outside the EU CAP tariffs, which were designed to protect Spain etc against non-EU competition.
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02/12/2020 11:26:58 8 0
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Are you joining?
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02/12/2020 11:32:48 27 3
bbc
Less competition, possibly, also possible that there's less jobs since you're hoping for wage inflation.

If cheaper food is the reason for upheaval of 45 years of European integration and co-operation, I'd say you must be bored.
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02/12/2020 11:37:14 35 2
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How will competition decrease when a lot of jobs and businesses are jumping ship to Europe...

Accommodation issue is a red herring, the super rich buy up properties for investment and often leave them empty but people often ignore that element of the housing issue

Cheaper food? Not if it costs a lot more to import it here from further afield.

Your comment is complete rubbish
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02/12/2020 13:11:09 11 0
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The young and working class will have less jobs to compete for. There fixed it for you.

If there are going to be more jobs can you give me 5 international companies that have announced they will be moving jobs from the EU to the UK after Brexit? All we have seen so far is jobs going in the other direction
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02/12/2020 11:25:34 71 14
bbc
Ahh, this must be the Brexiteer vision that was never really elaborated on. Prevent food coming in to tackle obesity. I knew there had to be an upside somewhere!

I have very little confidence in Brexit and people that thought it was a good idea without some kind of vision for what it'd be.
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02/12/2020 11:29:08 57 10
bbc
So project fea rthat you all said was anti brexit rubbish has turned out, as many of us predicted, to be true. So why did so many vote for this, and loosing their jobs etc?
02/12/2020 16:46:33 1 0
bbc
I have no confidence in the clowns allegedly responsible for implementing brexit.
02/12/2020 17:19:32 0 4
bbc
The people who voted for Brexit had the vision. The one's that didn't vote for it were totally blinkered and couldn't see past the end of their nose.
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02/12/2020 11:21:13 153 27
bbc
Project reality. Who is Brexit really going to benefit?
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02/12/2020 11:25:37 10 5
bbc
NOT Tom in Stockton, obviously! Learnt that months ago!!
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02/12/2020 11:28:16 18 1
bbc
How’s it going to bring tangible benefits to you though? Really
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02/12/2020 11:23:37 21 0
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How would you get that onto the front page of the Express and still have room for a picture of Diana?
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02/12/2020 11:25:48 0 6
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A fair point. Although this is the BBC, not the opinionated gutter press. This article is nothing but gutter press tittletattle. I want the news, not tittletattle. Hence why I don't buy newspapers
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02/12/2020 11:30:42 9 0
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The Commons Public Accounts Committee is not "tittle tattle".
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jon
02/12/2020 11:21:46 14 6
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It we get a deal, maybe a six month adjustment period could be agreed for the benefit of both sides. This would avoid a cliff edge and allow exporters and importers to get the checks and paperwork running smoothly by the summer.
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02/12/2020 11:26:06 13 1
bbc
Hmm, This is a sensible and logical suggestion. I think you missed the memo stating that sensible and logical suggestions are just "remoaning" and that they should be ignored as we march toward the cliff edge.
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02/12/2020 11:23:51 10 36
bbc
Negative News again! Just like the Graun! Just like BBC 'News', etc!

GET BREXIT DONE!!
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02/12/2020 11:26:47 17 2
bbc
It is done, that's the problem. Doing it was easy, making it work needs competence, and there's the rub
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02/12/2020 11:26:52 3 4
bbc
29 DAYS!!
Still no deal in sight

Barnier makes emergency calls to EU States warning them to prepare for no deal immediately - The Sun
Nervy EU states wary of Brexit concessions by Michel Barnier - The Guardian

Headlines such as those floating around
Christmas is this month
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02/12/2020 11:26:55 3 17
bbc
We've been hearing about the ifs, maybes, risks, warnings of Brexit on a daily basis from the BBC for the last few years.

Maybe the BBC could publish a review of how many of these hundreds of dire warnings have come to pass?

That would be a interesting and balanced thing to do... ??
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02/12/2020 11:30:10 12 2
bbc
nothing has come to pass that's because we have not actually changed anything. The fun's to come in jan
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02/12/2020 11:34:41 2 0
bbc
Well, most of what Remain said has already happened. None of what Leave said has, so in those terms, Brexit has already failed.
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02/12/2020 11:47:30 4 0
bbc
You mean like

pound will drop (check)
irish border will be a problem (check)
financial services will move to eu (check)
delays with customs delays (not yet but given government has spent millions on lorry parks, almost certain)
food prices rising (check once tariffs published by government kick in 1/1)
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02/12/2020 11:26:56 112 22
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Green1878
11:22
"The headline should read "Group of MPs who are against Brexit, as they have been taking money home from the EU in wheelbarrows for the past 15 years".

Can we see your evidence to back up your claim or we going to have to put up with another day of brexiteers making false claims.
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02/12/2020 11:38:42 82 12
bbc
LOL It seems like Brexiteers still have the attitude everyone should be grateful that they are going to lose thousands every year and anyone who complains is anti-Brexit.
As for "wheelbarrows of cash" why won't any brexiteers admit Brexit was created by tax-dodgers and money launderers so they can keep their wheelbarrows full of tax-free cash and lie endlessly to continue their corruption
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02/12/2020 12:53:53 0 10
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Can we see your evidence this is not the case? No? Of course not. Way too easy for you to throw that one when the reality is Brexit frees us up in so many ways to support new business, to attract new business, low tax low cost free trade zones. EU keeps prices artificially high for a reason - to benefit paying for their federal state structure including obscene salaries, expenses and pensions.
02/12/2020 17:07:05 0 3
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Lets see your evidence to disprove it.
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02/12/2020 11:25:24 8 40
bbc
The young and the working class who will have less competition for jobs and accommodation via less immigration and the closure of the reserve pool of labour (FOM). They will also get cheaper foods from outside the EU CAP tariffs, which were designed to protect Spain etc against non-EU competition.
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02/12/2020 11:26:58 8 0
bbc
Are you joining?
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02/12/2020 11:28:41 1 4
bbc
Joining what?
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02/12/2020 11:28:45 7 0
bbc
*joking
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02/12/2020 11:27:02 44 5
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"And with just one month to go it's vital we all dig deep and do what needs to be done before the end of the year."
Dig deep, If you find yourself in a hole, it's time to stop digging.
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02/12/2020 11:27:06 146 24
bbc
The anti EU propaganda was as well informed as Trumps post election rant.
Brexit will be an unmitigated disaster that will make some tory rich boys richer and the rest of us much much poorer
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02/12/2020 12:49:06 7 28
bbc
Head in the sand.
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02/12/2020 13:28:13 0 11
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Typical Remainer doom monger.
02/12/2020 17:05:11 0 4
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You don't know that.
03/12/2020 04:21:06 0 0
bbc
So no different to the last 15 years .
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02/12/2020 11:27:13 10 20
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If the EU was competent and intending to maintain trade they would have solved this by now, it's not rocket science

The countries that are in the EU want to trade, but their masters seem more intent on punishing Britain for daring to leave

I am ambivalent and half my family is European. Like most people, we want free trade between Britain and Europe - there's no good reason why there can't be
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02/12/2020 11:28:45 5 0
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You are European GD.
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02/12/2020 11:29:31 11 0
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But what boris wants is full access to the eu market with no restrictions, no fees and no FOM. Was always a long shot.
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02/12/2020 11:31:10 9 0
bbc
We broke the existing agreement by leaving why would you believe it is up to the EU to be competent when our government has broken our "oven ready" deal by removing a rule post agreement?
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02/12/2020 11:35:36 11 1
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The countries that are in the EU do not have "masters." They are independent, sovereign, states. The EU negotiators, like all EU employees, do what they are told by the governments of the Member States that employ them. The EU nations want a trade deal, but not the trade deal that you were promised by Bojo and Govo. Not a deal that disadvantages their businesses and consumers.
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02/12/2020 11:40:03 4 0
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Are you serious, firstly, most Europeans are smarter than that. Secondly, why cant you have...? Seriously? If you stop being member of your gym, you cant go in, end of. Why? Think about it!!
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02/12/2020 11:40:21 6 0
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the onus in UK as they were the ones walked away from the EU
why it is it the other person's fault?
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02/12/2020 12:03:06 4 0
bbc
"The countries that are in the EU want to trade, but their masters seem more intent on punishing Britain for daring to leave"

Imagine being this deluded about reality.
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02/12/2020 11:23:32 93 23
bbc
Brexit fans won't be bothered. They've retired and they don't buy anything.
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02/12/2020 11:27:25 23 1
bbc
The ones that spend winter in the sun in europe who have just found out their stay will be limited to 90 days seem quite bothered.
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02/12/2020 11:38:33 11 1
bbc
shame
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02/12/2020 11:23:51 10 36
bbc
Negative News again! Just like the Graun! Just like BBC 'News', etc!

GET BREXIT DONE!!
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02/12/2020 11:27:31 6 0
bbc
You really are out of touch aren't you!
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02/12/2020 11:24:20 23 4
bbc
Ah, little Englanders.
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02/12/2020 11:27:50 1 9
bbc
Calling people names is not an argument.

Your 'predictions' have proved to be totally false including "immediate and severe recession" , not my problem if the truth hurts
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02/12/2020 11:25:37 10 5
bbc
NOT Tom in Stockton, obviously! Learnt that months ago!!
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02/12/2020 11:28:16 18 1
bbc
How’s it going to bring tangible benefits to you though? Really
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02/12/2020 11:28:26 44 5
bbc
I can see the Daily Express headline on 2nd Jan:

Disruption at Dover. Continent cut off!
03/12/2020 04:40:18 0 0
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If there are 15 mile tailbacks from Dover , what will the queue be like at Calais ? Northern France will be gridlocked . Remember , the French kick off much quicker than the Brits . Not to mention the blockades of ports by French ( unemployed ) fishermen .
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02/12/2020 11:26:58 8 0
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Are you joining?
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02/12/2020 11:28:41 1 4
bbc
Joining what?
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02/12/2020 11:26:58 8 0
bbc
Are you joining?
50
02/12/2020 11:28:45 7 0
bbc
*joking
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02/12/2020 11:27:13 10 20
bbc
If the EU was competent and intending to maintain trade they would have solved this by now, it's not rocket science

The countries that are in the EU want to trade, but their masters seem more intent on punishing Britain for daring to leave

I am ambivalent and half my family is European. Like most people, we want free trade between Britain and Europe - there's no good reason why there can't be
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02/12/2020 11:28:45 5 0
bbc
You are European GD.
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02/12/2020 11:29:03 127 23
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Brexit = shambles, shambolic idea by shambolic politicians. ask yourself what tangible benefit YOU will get from being out of the EU.. You are losing your rights to live and work freely in Europe, losing your rights to pensions and health care in Europe, but NO ONE has ever explained what you are getting in return for losing these basic human rights.. so tell me Brexiteers, what are we gaining?
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02/12/2020 11:36:03 18 93
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Freedom
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02/12/2020 11:39:45 26 3
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Sovereignty....it's very useful stuff too. You can pay your rent with it, eat it on toast etc etc. The list is endless!!!!
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02/12/2020 11:41:55 18 4
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"so tell me Brexiteers, what are we gaining?"

We'll be allowed to speak English again, after decades of being forced to speak Gerfrench. Or was it Spanalian?

Also, Prawn Cocktail crisps will once again be legal.
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02/12/2020 11:45:08 33 2
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A blue passport that ensures t hat we stand in a longer que whilst the rest of the world looks on with dismay and tuts
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02/12/2020 11:55:06 31 0
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The undefined being negotiated by the unprepared in order to get the unspecified for the uninformed...
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02/12/2020 13:27:35 4 13
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No EU tax burden, no EU cost burden, no EU Agriculture policy burden, no EU business development support strangulation, no EU freedom of movement into UK, no EU imposed numbers of refugees, no tax restrictions, no central VAT, no central EU imposed financial institutions, no EU imposed laws, no European Court governance, no Human Rights madness. Rights to live and work any country who wants us.
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02/12/2020 11:23:00 6 30
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Along with planes crashing, banks leaving and world war 3?

I'll believe it when it happens
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02/12/2020 11:29:08 7 1
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Nobody said planes would crash, and it was the Leave campaign that talked about WWIII. Do you have nothing else?
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02/12/2020 11:38:04 0 3
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No, it was remain.
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02/12/2020 11:47:58 0 4
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Oh come on, they were banging on on about the threat to peace left right and centre. Across Europe and Northern Ireland.

And there were plenty of muppets saying aviation would be more dangerous

DonaldTusk "As a historian I fear Brexit could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also Western political civilization in its entirety,"

Not enough characters to help further
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02/12/2020 11:25:34 71 14
bbc
Ahh, this must be the Brexiteer vision that was never really elaborated on. Prevent food coming in to tackle obesity. I knew there had to be an upside somewhere!

I have very little confidence in Brexit and people that thought it was a good idea without some kind of vision for what it'd be.
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02/12/2020 11:29:08 57 10
bbc
So project fea rthat you all said was anti brexit rubbish has turned out, as many of us predicted, to be true. So why did so many vote for this, and loosing their jobs etc?
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02/12/2020 11:25:09 14 2
bbc
The ERG don't like the sound of that 6 month bit. So it won't happen.
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02/12/2020 11:29:25 5 1
bbc
If Labour and the bulk of the Tories agree then all the ERG can do is go in the corner and sulk.
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02/12/2020 11:27:13 10 20
bbc
If the EU was competent and intending to maintain trade they would have solved this by now, it's not rocket science

The countries that are in the EU want to trade, but their masters seem more intent on punishing Britain for daring to leave

I am ambivalent and half my family is European. Like most people, we want free trade between Britain and Europe - there's no good reason why there can't be
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02/12/2020 11:29:31 11 0
bbc
But what boris wants is full access to the eu market with no restrictions, no fees and no FOM. Was always a long shot.
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02/12/2020 11:37:22 0 6
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"But what boris wants is full access to the eu market with no restrictions, no fees and no FOM. Was always a long shot."

Not really, the EU makes agreements (like you've described) to other countries. And they didn't have to pay the EEC/EU for 40 years
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02/12/2020 11:55:43 4 0
bbc
Was always impossible, not even a long shot.
Removed
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02/12/2020 11:29:39 42 4
bbc
The Brexit vultures will coming home to pick over the carcasses of British industry just a month from now. Looks like the farmers will be getting what they voted for too.
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02/12/2020 11:22:32 9 35
bbc
The headline should read "Group of MPs who are against Brexit, as they have been taking money home from the EU in wheelbarrows for the past 15 years, vocalise scary messages on subjects they do not fully understand"
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02/12/2020 11:29:52 7 0
bbc
As the majority of them are Tory MPs, how can they be against Brexit? You really a scraping the barrel now.
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02/12/2020 11:34:09 2 4
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This somehow implies that Brexit is a Tory thing, when the majority of labour seats pre 2019 GE voted Leave and some of the hardest leave areas are/ were Labour strongholds.
Many Torys are pro EU. Hessletine, Cameron, Osbourne (I'll include Blair as a covert Tory).
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02/12/2020 11:30:04 42 3
bbc
Currently we may have the fishing rights but most of it is sold to Europe which won't happen fast enough for it to be edible without a deal so protecting our waters will destroy both fishing industry & fish farming. Fishing bodies already horrified by govt proposed paperwork to export fish. Like Spanish second home owners they really didn't know what they voted for.
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02/12/2020 11:54:01 21 1
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Incredible isn't it - we export 75% of fish caught to the EU. With the inevitable barriers that are going to be in place exporting will not be possible and logic follows that 75% of fishermen will be out of a job.
03/12/2020 04:47:44 0 0
bbc
What will happen to second home owners in Spain ? They are a huge boost to the Spanish economy . You really are nuts .
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02/12/2020 11:30:06 12 16
bbc
BBC tried yesterday to exacerbate 'news' of the 'Tory Rebellion' and today it reports that there is a risk of something happening! There is a risk that BBC may lose its public funding to pay inflated staff salaries to irrelevant non-entities.
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02/12/2020 11:33:37 1 11
bbc
Two new news channels next year! Watch out BBC and that funding!!
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02/12/2020 11:39:23 3 1
bbc
You 'defund the BBC ' lot see conspiracies everywhere, don't you?. Personally, I would love to see your manipulator Rupert Murdoch fully defunded.
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02/12/2020 11:30:09 7 28
bbc
Where will the negative so-called 'News' come from when we're OUT of this clapped-out club? GET BREXIT DONE!
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02/12/2020 11:32:50 5 0
bbc
you've already been told off once.
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02/12/2020 11:33:09 4 0
bbc
It was "done" 10 months ago. Were you asleep?
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02/12/2020 11:33:33 6 0
bbc
There will be plenty don't worry. Job losses, price rises, financial services and manufacturing moving to eu, pound dropping, all leading to less tax revenue and more austerity or tax rises.
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02/12/2020 11:26:55 3 17
bbc
We've been hearing about the ifs, maybes, risks, warnings of Brexit on a daily basis from the BBC for the last few years.

Maybe the BBC could publish a review of how many of these hundreds of dire warnings have come to pass?

That would be a interesting and balanced thing to do... ??
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02/12/2020 11:30:10 12 2
bbc
nothing has come to pass that's because we have not actually changed anything. The fun's to come in jan
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02/12/2020 11:30:22 39 2
bbc
All to be expected as forecasted by many. Especially when being led by headless chickens that are not yet oven ready :=))
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02/12/2020 11:30:39 337 56
bbc
I see in the comments that Brexit supporters are still trying to blame everyone else for the problems that Brexit is causing. You won, we lost, it's time to man up and own this mess.
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02/12/2020 11:51:17 71 250
bbc
Not blaming everyone else; I blame the EU for brinkmanship! Boris is the honest broker requiring recognition that our territorial waters are ours and that rules relating to trade be no different from any other third country. Macron and Barnier are the problem are hoping that pressure from the likes of you will compromise our position.
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02/12/2020 12:08:05 4 36
bbc
Really nothing to do with Brexit supporters at all and definitely not any blame for everyone else. All the information on simplified export procedures paperwork and simplified import procedures and paperwork has been available for years. It really is no different for EU as it has always been for all other countries except perhaps for a few EU-specifics which are no big deal at all.
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02/12/2020 13:18:30 1 12
bbc
How can it be a mess when it hasn't started? Typical if the brainless negative Remainer comments on this website.
02/12/2020 15:21:48 5 0
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The Brexit supporters have not yet woken up to the hardest fact of all, that from 1st January of 2021 they will be entirely responsible for what happens in and to the UK going forward.

It is quite apparent that they lack the maturity this responsibility demands. At first there will be bumptious optimism, followed by a growing realism, ending in a complete collapse.
02/12/2020 16:20:00 0 0
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Its time for you to man up and stop moaning
02/12/2020 16:53:22 0 2
bbc
What problems. People should wait after the event before going on about any mess.
02/12/2020 19:52:21 1 0
bbc
You jest. Own up! never in a million years.
02/12/2020 21:45:02 0 0
bbc
It's time for the pro EU antagonists to stop their attempts to derail, delay & destroy Brexit.
Yes, you HAVE put your unthinking belief in an EU superstate above the interests of your own nation.
Utterly despicable.
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02/12/2020 11:25:48 0 6
bbc
A fair point. Although this is the BBC, not the opinionated gutter press. This article is nothing but gutter press tittletattle. I want the news, not tittletattle. Hence why I don't buy newspapers
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02/12/2020 11:30:42 9 0
bbc
The Commons Public Accounts Committee is not "tittle tattle".
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02/12/2020 11:36:09 0 3
bbc
The definition of tittle tattle. Explain how some career politicians, ex trainee solicitors, an accountant have any experience in customs and shipping. This is a political opinion, you can tell as they do not offer any solutions (a common move when attacking the politics, not addressing the issue)
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02/12/2020 11:31:06 3 10
bbc
Big problems for the Republic of Ireland and their perishable produce then...
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02/12/2020 11:34:35 0 4
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They will have to put it on a banana boat and sail it right around by the Scilly Isles
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02/12/2020 11:35:39 2 0
bbc
I take it you did not see the announcement of the Rosslare-Dunkirk shipping route?
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02/12/2020 11:37:33 6 0
bbc
Why do Britnats always wish ill to others?
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02/12/2020 11:38:22 3 0
bbc
Not really. Ireland unlike Brexit Britain is making alternative arrangements to keep food on the shelves. They will be avoiding the U.K. in future.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-ferry-route-france-ireland-b1763239.html
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02/12/2020 11:39:26 4 0
bbc
Probably why they are creating ferry routes to bypass the uk. Not great for the docks in liverpool and wales.
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02/12/2020 11:44:43 3 0
bbc
No. Not at all.

They are far more advanced in their implementation of alternative solutions.

Expect tumbleweeds in Holyhead shortly.
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CH
02/12/2020 11:52:52 1 0
bbc
Personally I am more concerned about the UK's perishable produce but then I don't want to see others suffer as some sort of justification for the choice I made...
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02/12/2020 11:31:09 129 13
bbc
Disruption? Really? Who would ever have guessed. Must be one of those Brexit dividends we keep being told of.
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02/12/2020 13:03:12 76 2
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Usually, when a conman swindles you, they at least have the good grace to run away afterwards. But with Brexit, they've come back, and are blaming the people who pointed out their fabulous scheme would never pay out. They're negotiating with the EU, but not on our behalf. Their aim is not preserving businesses or jobs. It is to refuse any deal which makes people realise they were lied to in 2016.
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02/12/2020 13:12:31 0 8
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Another one with their head in the sand. The only likely disruption will be that caused by France, with the addition of farmer and fisherman blockades, and EU bloody-mindedness at all EU borders for everything "UK". This we have seen throughout 40-years where customs borders become the minefield subject to unfettered pettiness and corruption or EU-style political pressures.
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02/12/2020 13:26:55 0 7
bbc
Yawn. How many times have you posted the same comment?
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02/12/2020 11:27:13 10 20
bbc
If the EU was competent and intending to maintain trade they would have solved this by now, it's not rocket science

The countries that are in the EU want to trade, but their masters seem more intent on punishing Britain for daring to leave

I am ambivalent and half my family is European. Like most people, we want free trade between Britain and Europe - there's no good reason why there can't be
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02/12/2020 11:31:10 9 0
bbc
We broke the existing agreement by leaving why would you believe it is up to the EU to be competent when our government has broken our "oven ready" deal by removing a rule post agreement?
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02/12/2020 11:31:32 38 3
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Disruption at British ports, this can't be true after all we were told in 2016 that everything would stay the same, we just wouldn't have to pay and that a deal would be done. Then in December 2019 we were told it was an oven ready deal, and they still need the UK more than the UK needed them, so this has to be Fake News. We'll just have to wait and see. Sorry to be so cynical.
03/12/2020 04:54:28 0 1
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Any disruption at British ports will be mirror imaged on the EU side . Once the politics is resolved , deal or no deal , business , with its usual efficiency will get on with the job of trade .
03/12/2020 14:27:58 0 0
bbc
maybe that was another wee lie from Boris
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02/12/2020 11:25:21 15 3
bbc
Bojo was a Remainer once. Maybe he'll switch back once he sees the chaos which will forever be associated with him.
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02/12/2020 11:31:34 4 1
bbc
Neville Chamberlain will be remembered as the worst Tory Prime Minister until Boris Johnson...
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02/12/2020 11:31:36 162 23
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Even now the Brexiters are trying to blame everybody else but themselves for their mess.
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02/12/2020 12:57:17 96 6
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Brexit is, in part, due to UK governments blaming the EU for issues over which the UK had not lost sovereignty - it was easier to blame the EU than 'fess up to it being down to the governments' failure to use available powers.

The mantra of "blame 'them' - it's their fault" is deeply ingrained by this point - and won't stop after January.

Those who blame won't look at who is really to blame.
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02/12/2020 13:22:09 0 9
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Yawn. Is this a cut and paste comment?
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02/12/2020 13:34:47 0 8
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What mess? All warnings "risk of serious disruption delay" have nothing to do with export/import procedure paperwork preparedness. Simplified procedures Authorised Economic Operator have been in preparation since 2005 and in place since 2010. Where businesses have chosen 'not to bother' is down to them especially given now it is of benefit. Risk at border is French EU Customs bloody-mindedness!
02/12/2020 14:36:50 7 0
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They are just like Donald T they make the problems and blame others. Bit like little kids in the playground. Some kids never grow up and others never learn. Good luck in your French homes and Spanish appartments when you get kicked out after 90 days.
02/12/2020 16:58:31 0 8
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Even now the remainers are totally blinkered.
02/12/2020 18:19:24 0 4
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Its not a mess as far as I'm concerned. Pretty any much consequence is acceptable to me provided we are out of the EU. That is the fundamental great thing in this. We are out! Rejoice all day long.
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02/12/2020 11:24:18 64 193
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The same can be said of the EU. They have had 4 and a half years to sort out border problems, so there is no excuse that they're not ready.
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02/12/2020 11:31:38 54 5
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Europe is ready but it is the brits who still want to holiday here that are going to pay the price...
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02/12/2020 11:36:00 9 68
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Is that a threat??? Typical European anti British comment, which is why the vote to leave won!
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02/12/2020 11:31:44 12 6
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You do realise, that leaving a comment on HYS, has absolutely no effect on anything, except perhaps your mental health.
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02/12/2020 11:36:23 5 1
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Oh but it does. This is how discourses are callenged, changed.
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02/12/2020 11:44:42 0 0
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and how do you feel now :)
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02/12/2020 11:31:53 4 12
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Ahh good. A thread for hysterical Brexit ranting, enjoy.
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02/12/2020 11:35:27 2 2
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I think that you mean yet another thread.
I dread to think how many times exactly the same story has been featured.
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02/12/2020 11:22:01 9 28
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Meg Hillier is a vocal remainer, what else did you expect? A ringing endorsement?! ??
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02/12/2020 11:32:09 5 1
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What about the majority of the Committee being Tories? Are they remainers as well? Your excuses are wearing a little thin.??
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02/12/2020 11:43:49 1 3
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zzzzzzzz most appropriate username ever!
Committee chairs always get their say - I suspect you know that though!
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02/12/2020 11:32:20 5 16
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What's the link between Trump and Brexiteers? Ans: they both WON!
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02/12/2020 11:34:04 11 0
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Look how Trump ended. Join the dots....
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02/12/2020 11:34:33 7 0
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The new link is they are both losers.
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02/12/2020 11:34:36 7 0
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They both lied and lied and lied and won.
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02/12/2020 11:35:31 10 0
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Once...and then failed to deliver what they promised.
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02/12/2020 11:35:43 7 0
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No, neither of them believe the truth unless it's theirs!
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02/12/2020 11:36:31 3 0
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Ooh. Bitter.
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02/12/2020 11:37:14 6 0
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Incorrect, Trump just lost.
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02/12/2020 11:44:07 6 0
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No - today they only think they won and in both cases their countries have been damaged long term.
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02/12/2020 11:25:24 8 40
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The young and the working class who will have less competition for jobs and accommodation via less immigration and the closure of the reserve pool of labour (FOM). They will also get cheaper foods from outside the EU CAP tariffs, which were designed to protect Spain etc against non-EU competition.
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02/12/2020 11:32:48 27 3
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Less competition, possibly, also possible that there's less jobs since you're hoping for wage inflation.

If cheaper food is the reason for upheaval of 45 years of European integration and co-operation, I'd say you must be bored.
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02/12/2020 11:30:09 7 28
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Where will the negative so-called 'News' come from when we're OUT of this clapped-out club? GET BREXIT DONE!
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02/12/2020 11:32:50 5 0
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you've already been told off once.
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02/12/2020 11:24:16 5 12
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"Labour's Meg Hillier, said the prime minister's promise of an "oven ready" Brexit deal at the last election had become more of a "cold turkey"."

That was the WA, so is she lying or just bad at her job?

Although admittedly that oven ready deal had an oven glove left inside judging by the IMB.
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02/12/2020 11:32:59 2 1
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"That was the WA" - is that the one that Boris and his chums have voted to ignore and break International law in the process?
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02/12/2020 11:41:29 0 1
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Did you actually read the comment or is that a rhetorical question?
??
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02/12/2020 11:24:00 199 35
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Four years on from the Referendum, one year from having actually left EU and chaos is predicted. Can anyone defend the organisational powers of this Gov?

ps if you are thinking of defending them, think how well they handled the pandemic.
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02/12/2020 11:33:03 13 97
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What are the similarities between the arrangement of import/export transportation and attempting to overcome the problems of a pandemic?
My opinion of their competence in respect of one, has not affected my opinion of the government's abilities regarding the latter.
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02/12/2020 11:35:44 11 2
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Hmm, I think you should reconsider your optimism. GOVE_JOHNSON_RAAB_SHARMA should help
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Pip
02/12/2020 11:57:41 18 0
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With your head stuck so firmly in the sand, it wouldn't, would it.........?
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02/12/2020 12:05:41 16 1
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Problem is they're utterly incompetent at everything they attempt.
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02/12/2020 12:34:32 0 17
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The arrangement of import/export transportation has been in place for 40-years, 50-years and more. Simplified procedures Authorised Economic Operator were prepared since 2005 and in place since 2010 so there are no excuses whatsoever except for those businesses who turned a deaf ear 'don't need that I'm in the EU'. None of it is 'rocket science'.
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02/12/2020 12:50:56 5 0
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don#t you mean inabilities?
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Tim
02/12/2020 13:11:06 8 0
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Good. Do you agree they have made a dogs dinner of both
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02/12/2020 13:25:30 14 0
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The difference is that we are currently still paying the club for the use of its facilities. Going forward you want to use the facilities but not pay for them. Simple really; we either stay in the EU, work with our Continental Neighbours and try to change things from inside or turn our backs on them and suffer the consequences.

You voted for this so about time you accepted it and took ownership
02/12/2020 14:31:16 2 1
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What is your opinion regarding both?
02/12/2020 20:08:30 2 0
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Both of them are problems that require competent management, Britain has not been competently managed for the last ten years.
03/12/2020 10:08:52 0 0
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A doublespeak master no less.

Mad.
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02/12/2020 11:22:47 238 42
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Limited responsibility, LOL. "We got Brexit done, the rest is up to you".

What a shower.
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02/12/2020 11:33:06 160 19
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yup, next we will hear that it’s not their fault that everything failed but is the civil servants fault (even though civil servants can’t sign off on large swathes of funding or legislation without ministerial approval)
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02/12/2020 12:04:11 0 27
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Another having no understanding of export/import procedures. If you did then you'd know that the only issues at the end of the day is 1) a businesses not getting themselves set-up and prepared - simplified export procedures paperwork, simplified import procedures paperwork, and 2) French EU bloody-mindedness at the border. None of it is 'rocket science'.
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02/12/2020 11:23:51 10 36
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Negative News again! Just like the Graun! Just like BBC 'News', etc!

GET BREXIT DONE!!
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02/12/2020 11:33:06 5 0
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You clearly believe all is well even though the technology at our borders is not yet fit (tested) for purpose.
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02/12/2020 11:37:44 2 0
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you hit the nail on the head. Belief trumps ( no pun intended) evidence
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02/12/2020 11:30:09 7 28
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Where will the negative so-called 'News' come from when we're OUT of this clapped-out club? GET BREXIT DONE!
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02/12/2020 11:33:09 4 0
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It was "done" 10 months ago. Were you asleep?
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02/12/2020 11:39:22 3 0
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Probably. Probably also asleep when all these problems were predicted before the referendum
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02/12/2020 11:33:27 5 10
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Peanut
11:30

We don't actually HAVE to catch the fish. If the UK fleet is not up to it yet then there is no loss to the UK. Fish stocks can replenish in the meantime.
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02/12/2020 11:37:52 3 1
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Well said. It is about time we stopped the perpetual hammering of our fish stocks. If it takes some years to get British fishing up to speed, that is a good thing.
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02/12/2020 11:42:53 3 0
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Not fleet that is problem - paperwork and access to a market - generally in the UK we don't eat a wide range of fish & not fishing will only make that worse - herring fishing ban saved the stocks but pretty much lost the market so this is GOOD for fish BAD for fishermen & fish farmers - mostly set-up with EU grants so perhaps Brexiteers don't care that they will loose their livelihood.
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02/12/2020 11:43:07 4 0
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So a phyrric victory scuppers a trade deal.

Very clever.
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02/12/2020 11:52:56 5 0
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but NOT catching the fish and NOT trading it to the EU market demand will sustain our fishermen & fishing fleets how?
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02/12/2020 11:30:09 7 28
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Where will the negative so-called 'News' come from when we're OUT of this clapped-out club? GET BREXIT DONE!
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02/12/2020 11:33:33 6 0
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There will be plenty don't worry. Job losses, price rises, financial services and manufacturing moving to eu, pound dropping, all leading to less tax revenue and more austerity or tax rises.
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02/12/2020 11:30:06 12 16
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BBC tried yesterday to exacerbate 'news' of the 'Tory Rebellion' and today it reports that there is a risk of something happening! There is a risk that BBC may lose its public funding to pay inflated staff salaries to irrelevant non-entities.
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02/12/2020 11:33:37 1 11
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Two new news channels next year! Watch out BBC and that funding!!
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02/12/2020 11:40:16 4 1
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Lets defund Murdoch, the Daily Wail & the Brexpress, owned by tax dodgers.
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02/12/2020 11:32:20 5 16
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What's the link between Trump and Brexiteers? Ans: they both WON!
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02/12/2020 11:34:04 11 0
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Look how Trump ended. Join the dots....
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02/12/2020 13:29:50 2 0
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I give br*x*t two years, tops.
02/12/2020 16:58:00 0 1
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Its not signed off yet, the US constitution may yet permit another four years of Trump. Quite apparent that there have been failings in their voter systems, quite enough to throw the whole election into doubt!
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02/12/2020 11:29:52 7 0
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As the majority of them are Tory MPs, how can they be against Brexit? You really a scraping the barrel now.
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02/12/2020 11:34:09 2 4
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This somehow implies that Brexit is a Tory thing, when the majority of labour seats pre 2019 GE voted Leave and some of the hardest leave areas are/ were Labour strongholds.
Many Torys are pro EU. Hessletine, Cameron, Osbourne (I'll include Blair as a covert Tory).
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02/12/2020 12:03:40 2 0
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Considering all Tory candidates had to sign up to Bozo's WA to enable them to stand for election Brexit is 100% Tory.
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02/12/2020 11:32:20 5 16
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What's the link between Trump and Brexiteers? Ans: they both WON!
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02/12/2020 11:34:33 7 0
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The new link is they are both losers.
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02/12/2020 11:31:06 3 10
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Big problems for the Republic of Ireland and their perishable produce then...
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02/12/2020 11:34:35 0 4
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They will have to put it on a banana boat and sail it right around by the Scilly Isles
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02/12/2020 11:23:52 14 22
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UK - 65m +
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02/12/2020 11:34:36 18 1
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Aye and at this rate how long do you think the uk will last together.
77
02/12/2020 11:32:20 5 16
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What's the link between Trump and Brexiteers? Ans: they both WON!
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02/12/2020 11:34:36 7 0
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They both lied and lied and lied and won.
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02/12/2020 11:26:55 3 17
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We've been hearing about the ifs, maybes, risks, warnings of Brexit on a daily basis from the BBC for the last few years.

Maybe the BBC could publish a review of how many of these hundreds of dire warnings have come to pass?

That would be a interesting and balanced thing to do... ??
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02/12/2020 11:34:41 2 0
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Well, most of what Remain said has already happened. None of what Leave said has, so in those terms, Brexit has already failed.
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02/12/2020 11:21:29 10 29
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More project fear from petulant remainers - at the end of the day I'm sure that the media will be able to fin a truck or two held up in customs, but in the wider scheme of things everything will be fine.
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02/12/2020 11:35:01 9 0
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Of course you are blaming remainers for project fear! To date we don't have the "oven ready" deal we were informed by our government agreed!
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02/12/2020 11:31:53 4 12
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Ahh good. A thread for hysterical Brexit ranting, enjoy.
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02/12/2020 11:35:27 2 2
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I think that you mean yet another thread.
I dread to think how many times exactly the same story has been featured.
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02/12/2020 11:32:20 5 16
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What's the link between Trump and Brexiteers? Ans: they both WON!
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02/12/2020 11:35:31 10 0
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Once...and then failed to deliver what they promised.
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02/12/2020 11:27:13 10 20
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If the EU was competent and intending to maintain trade they would have solved this by now, it's not rocket science

The countries that are in the EU want to trade, but their masters seem more intent on punishing Britain for daring to leave

I am ambivalent and half my family is European. Like most people, we want free trade between Britain and Europe - there's no good reason why there can't be
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02/12/2020 11:35:36 11 1
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The countries that are in the EU do not have "masters." They are independent, sovereign, states. The EU negotiators, like all EU employees, do what they are told by the governments of the Member States that employ them. The EU nations want a trade deal, but not the trade deal that you were promised by Bojo and Govo. Not a deal that disadvantages their businesses and consumers.
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02/12/2020 11:31:06 3 10
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Big problems for the Republic of Ireland and their perishable produce then...
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02/12/2020 11:35:39 2 0
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I take it you did not see the announcement of the Rosslare-Dunkirk shipping route?
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02/12/2020 11:35:42 26 3
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A total of £4.4bn had been spent on preparing for Brexit, involving 22,000 civil servants and "many more" paid consultants, with "too much" being spent on the latter.

What a waste.
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02/12/2020 11:41:47 24 0
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Don't forget the cost of TV advertising campaign telling everyone to prepare for customs changes without telling them what the changes will be.
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02/12/2020 11:55:42 5 0
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It's shocking and I think has yet to sink in with the wider population. Just think how many of the underlying issues that drove the Brexit vote could've been addressed with those funds - investment in the north and other areas of the UK which have been neglected for years. Now all we have to show for Brexit is more cost, red tape, fewer rights, less influence and permanently lower GDP.