Covid tiers: MPs back tougher system for England, despite Tory rebellion
01/12/2020 | news | politics | 2,874
The restrictions will start at 00:01 GMT, despite 55 Tory MPs voting against the government.
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01/12/2020 20:21:29 33 37
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The right decision.
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01/12/2020 20:21:48 97 56
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The government can't win - make it complicated and they confuse everybody (though in reality just BBC hacks and Labour MPs).

Make the tiers county wide and it is too simple.

Damned if they do & damned if they don't.
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01/12/2020 20:25:34 51 38
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The price they pay for daring to play God with other people's lives. No sympathy from me...
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01/12/2020 20:28:40 3 14
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Plenty of confused kippers and Tories socialising with each other, standing right up close to one another, going on car journeys, unable to work out what a separate household means, can't wear a mask unless it's half on half off.
Ignorance runs across the political spectrum
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01/12/2020 20:29:24 2 5
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Too restricting. Shattering the economy, never mind goodness knows how many jobs and livelihoods and consequent repossessions, and mental health problems off the scale. That’s the main reason they are damned. Sadly, it goes on.
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01/12/2020 20:29:45 1 3
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If you can't take the heat
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01/12/2020 20:33:31 5 2
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What he said 100%
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01/12/2020 20:43:19 1 6
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Aww, poor government. Must be terrible for them. Considering that cabinet ministers have got confused about what was allowed in what tier it's hardly "just BBC hacks and Labour MPs" who have said the rules are too complicated. No one is saying the tiers are too simple to understand either.
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01/12/2020 21:06:50 2 4
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Only they’re a majority government have not sought and don’t need (numerically) a government of unity so why shouldn’t Labour simply leave the decision to the government?
01/12/2020 21:59:08 0 3
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Unnecessary lockdown 3.0
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01/12/2020 20:22:21 377 64
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It'll be interesting to see HYS in a years time when the joblessness and mounting debt (leading to tax rised and spending cuts) really start to bite and hit.

Will the cure be worse than the disease?

We'll see, I guess.
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01/12/2020 20:24:02 184 40
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It surely will.
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01/12/2020 20:29:53 38 25
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The disease we will be dealing with in a year’s time will be Brexit.
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01/12/2020 20:33:07 17 21
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Depends whether you died from it
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01/12/2020 20:43:36 23 16
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Just you wait until the Brexit fiasco is overlaid on Covid! An additional 6% off GDP, with associated job losses, price increases, reduced tax take - and swingeing cuts to services
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01/12/2020 20:43:41 21 35
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Will it be worth the thousands of lives saved? Yes it will.
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01/12/2020 20:44:22 8 12
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It will as the bot and key stroke warriors in their grimes undies will be to busy looking for a food bank
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01/12/2020 20:45:11 26 2
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The problem is we will never know. If we hadn't locked down and half a million people died but the economy was a success is that good or bad. We will never know what would have happened either way. The problem is we didn't really go for either a New Zealand strategy or a Brazil strategy so seem to have a lot of deaths and damage to the economy too.
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01/12/2020 20:49:45 14 7
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But we'll probably live to tell the tale, whereas.....
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01/12/2020 20:50:21 18 16
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So what do you suggest - doing nothing and letting everyone die?
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01/12/2020 21:05:59 9 7
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Yes. This is NOT a cure. Irrational actions by a clueless cabinet. We have been shown ZERO evidence that constraints works. Sad thing is that virus rates have probably hit their peak. The con-artists in govt will claim that lockdowns have solved the problem. Not that the virus has already hit everyone it can already.... Mass testing was only rolled out to find more cases to justify govt insanity.
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Mad
01/12/2020 21:07:24 1 3
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Of course they'll be fine with the additional deaths because of all this, which will make positive test deaths look like a group of 6
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01/12/2020 21:04:38 0 4
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HYS ??
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01/12/2020 21:06:36 1 5
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Tax rises will come from car drivers when they interduce 75p per mile tax.
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01/12/2020 21:14:28 4 8
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Should’ve locked down properly in March.
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01/12/2020 21:23:38 6 2
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as far as i remember we can all chip in to save people from financial disaster but there was only one bloke who could bring people back from the dead
and you ain't him
01/12/2020 21:21:32 6 10
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Not going to the pub for a while - how terrible. Definitely not worth saving people’s mums and dads for... selfish idiot
01/12/2020 21:31:54 2 6
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But that'll be mostly Brexit - the endless virus with no vaccine!
01/12/2020 21:47:13 1 6
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Not sure if you're referring to Brexit?when you talk about the cure being worse than the disease ????
01/12/2020 21:48:33 6 4
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I’m sure hardship will be worse than death or long term illness .....not ??
01/12/2020 22:02:31 1 1
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Exactly the same as every country in the planet hard a few.
01/12/2020 22:08:43 2 3
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It already is. We need a lockdown of parliament to teach them whose boss.
01/12/2020 22:23:12 2 4
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Get rid of Tories, that'd be a cure
01/12/2020 22:24:14 1 1
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I wood like to see the tax rised, wee could spend it on headyoucation
01/12/2020 22:41:14 2 1
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We can blame it on labour as we did after the financial crisis.
01/12/2020 22:57:07 1 1
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It surely will and we will all be fecked
01/12/2020 23:47:13 5 1
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It will depend on your age! If under 50 then you'll say it wasn't worth it. If like me over 65 you will have a different view. We are 3 months off a vaccine so at current rate there could easily be 80-100,000 deaths total, - 20-40,000 to go. Imagine that in a pile and you could easily be one of them. Your view may well be different. But we all influence it if we do or don't follow the rules......
01/12/2020 23:55:39 3 1
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I have watched over summer all those furloughed enjoying a fantastic summer at the taxpayers expense - they have many years hols in front of them so what the hell - spread Covid! I have 10 years hols and Xmases at most so I've been VERY careful staying safe. You reap what you sow so suck it up and stop moaning if you didn't religiously follow the rules. You are part of the problem!!
02/12/2020 01:09:13 2 3
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Strange Remarks those considering we are approaching 60,000 DEAD
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oie
01/12/2020 20:22:15 25 31
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The Labour party and the SNP are wet blankets. I can't believe that they are assisting the Tories. Pathetic.
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01/12/2020 20:28:55 14 1
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It is an agreement that Scottish MP's do not vote for things that only effect England
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01/12/2020 20:45:12 0 1
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And had they done the howls of protest would be extreme
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01/12/2020 20:22:51 39 17
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Doesn't feel like there's a real plan, just making stuff up to try to keep MPs happy
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01/12/2020 21:03:35 12 6
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It's what politicians do. They haven't a clue what they are doing, so make it up to give the illusion that they have things under control. It's ridiculous, and it's just alienating more and more people. They should STOP now, because their credibility, and the trust of many of the people has gone. Boris is heading for civil unrest if he keeps on like this. People will have nothing more to lose.
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01/12/2020 20:23:07 29 31
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Just a little more patience and we can all get back to normal. Good decision.
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01/12/2020 20:27:29 10 6
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We've been hearing that since March...
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01/12/2020 20:28:00 1 2
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Except they have already decided to allow free mixing for a five day period! At least.
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01/12/2020 20:44:48 1 2
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Their predictions for when restrictions will be eased have already moved from spring to summer. Few will have patience enough to endure well over a year of their lives in miserable circumstances.
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01/12/2020 20:23:10 392 45
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Really looking forward to my newfound freedoms tomorrow.

I can erm......

Nah, still a lockdown.
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01/12/2020 20:31:18 70 147
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You can go to the gym. I certainly will.
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01/12/2020 20:32:01 9 18
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Play golf..yessir!
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Syl
01/12/2020 20:39:34 12 19
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Go shopping
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01/12/2020 20:40:08 7 21
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Eating at my local on Thursday.
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01/12/2020 21:10:27 9 8
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Still alive not a bad start
01/12/2020 21:34:29 6 10
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We live in a free country. Make yourself free
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01/12/2020 20:23:14 26 19
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Bung us a grand, Boris....Shambles yet again.
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01/12/2020 20:32:59 14 5
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No point asking for a grand. Minimum request is £20 million and you need to be their ex-neighbour, chum or tormentor from Eton, etc.
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01/12/2020 20:23:23 333 48
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I think broadly speaking most people would put up with and may even favour harsher restrictions (admittedly I'm not one of them). What irritates them however is the increasing absurdity of the rules and inconsistent application. Placing Stratford in tier 3 while hotspots like parts of London are in tier 2 isn't fair, and why is a beer at a gig safer than one in a pub without a substantial meal?
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Sar
01/12/2020 20:33:22 196 151
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Why would anyone think we still need lockdowns 9 months later? It's ludicrous
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01/12/2020 20:45:03 16 2
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And to top it off Stratfords MP who spoke out against us being put in Tier 3 last week gets a new job from Boris on Saturday and votes with the Government today
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01/12/2020 21:03:16 3 4
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so many contradictions in so few words
You Chinese??
01/12/2020 21:55:43 0 2
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It's perfectly simple if you'd only listen. If you're going to the pub and having a substantial meal move your coat onto the lower peg. If you're not having a substantial meal but you have a letter from your older brother then you can have a refreshment unless you're having a haircut.
01/12/2020 22:17:43 1 0
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The area I live in West Sussex has a much higher rate of cases than neighbouring T Wells, yet we get Tier 2 & they get Tier 3. Seems totally arbitrary to me!
Removed
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SJ
01/12/2020 20:23:27 23 24
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I too would have abstained. The Tories have refused to allow dissenting voices, within their party and outside. Let them hold full responsibility for all of their failures. Which include the endlessly changing covid restrictions and failure to follow the science.
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01/12/2020 20:25:58 2 2
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Outside the party?
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Syl
01/12/2020 20:41:30 2 1
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By voting against would be the way to show dissent.
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01/12/2020 20:23:45 115 42
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The decision to have measures is correct. The segregating of areas into different levels , based on some dubious data is criminal.
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01/12/2020 20:45:04 73 11
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Hand-washing, asking people to maintain some distance. You know, like the countries that haven't destroyed their economies.
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01/12/2020 20:57:00 11 2
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Your misunderstanding of the word "criminal" tells everyone exactly what your opinion is worth, or the opinions of those upvoting your post.

If you're so clever, then DO please enlighten us as to the data* YOU think should be used...

*REAL data that is, not some wubble you saw on Instagram/Twitter...
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01/12/2020 20:58:54 9 5
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Good decision made by the MPs. People health and safety should take priority over economic concerns.
01/12/2020 21:57:07 6 6
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You're right. The whole country should be locked down properly until the vaccine has been rolled out. The Christmas plans are deadly!
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01/12/2020 20:23:48 188 118
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A dark day for democracy and our freedom. Good on those that had the backbone to vote against.
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01/12/2020 20:38:48 40 35
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And how is this anti-democratic? MPs, selected by their constituents, chose how to vote - for or against the Party whip. Do you agree with Trump’s definition of democratic vote?
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01/12/2020 20:42:19 9 8
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What nonsense
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01/12/2020 21:07:59 8 4
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It would have been a dark day for democracy if the vote had gone the other way. But perhaps you are one of those who wanted to reverse the democratic vote for Brexit? People also have freedom to be protected against those who selfishly their lives and long term health. And our elected representatives fulfilled the wish of the people who voted for them. Hope the 'rebels' get the sack
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01/12/2020 21:25:00 3 2
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as far as i remember we can all chip in to save people from financial disaster but there was only one bloke who could bring people back from the dead
and you ain't him
01/12/2020 21:43:25 2 1
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Whilst I would sooner everyone on one end of the rope I respect those who voted nay but have total contempt for those who abstained given the severity of this dreadful virus those spineless should resign forthwith, nothing clever in coming back in a couple of weeks saying " told you so"
01/12/2020 22:55:38 0 1
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Well said
01/12/2020 23:05:57 2 1
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Take it you have never had to bury any relative or friend
02/12/2020 00:07:32 0 1
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The dark days for democracy are not yet here. Wait til the bill is oases that take power away from the courts.
02/12/2020 00:48:50 2 1
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Back bone nincompoops. Freedom for what to put at risk doctors & nurses old & people with health problems. Thanks you very much.

Democracy is looking after people. Just grow up.
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01/12/2020 20:22:21 377 64
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It'll be interesting to see HYS in a years time when the joblessness and mounting debt (leading to tax rised and spending cuts) really start to bite and hit.

Will the cure be worse than the disease?

We'll see, I guess.
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01/12/2020 20:24:02 184 40
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It surely will.
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01/12/2020 20:30:28 33 11
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Don’t think you’ll have to wait a year. Once these job cut announcements and predictions translate into people without livelihoods we’ll be commenting on social disorder the likes of which haven’t been seen since the 1980s
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01/12/2020 20:23:36 491 191
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R.I.P. UK business.

You were sacrificed to “protect” the NHS
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01/12/2020 20:27:45 116 381
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Good
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IAN
01/12/2020 20:28:05 40 17
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More like protect MPs
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01/12/2020 20:33:57 52 8
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And therefore I had to pay privately for a complete knee replacement. At 77 years old I did not want to spend what money I have but the alternative was to wait another year or more. Feel sorry for those less fortunate than myself
You'd not have much of a business if all your staff and customers were dead.
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01/12/2020 20:47:23 14 14
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Sacrifice to protect the agenda
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01/12/2020 20:49:27 11 30
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Utter balderdash & hysterical hyperbole.
Clearly your intellect is incapable of seeing all the evidence that most of UK industry is managing to continue through the current crisis with only minor inconvenience.
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01/12/2020 20:49:39 12 25
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A very naive comment, coming from a man who’s wife is a nurse practitioner at one of the busiest hospitals in the U.K. lives are worth more than businesses. For the record my business in tourism is scuppered.
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01/12/2020 20:52:06 10 7
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Duh! They were sacrificed cos Bill wants a nice return on the $55m he put into bioNtech in Sept 2019!
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01/12/2020 20:53:41 23 10
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Totally agree, I am sick of this NHS thing at the cost of everything else
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01/12/2020 21:02:54 6 2
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what is happening to businesses is terrible but some such as the arcadia group had completely lost touch with what people wanted. Its all cheap throwaway. We need
more quality on our high street and people to require less profit. Gone are the days when business just wanted to earn a living plus a bit. all too greedy now.
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01/12/2020 21:07:14 10 6
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Please don't use RIP to refer to business as it could be offensive to people who have lost loved ones. Whilst it will take time business will recover, sadly the same can't be said for the people who die if the NHS in overwhelmed, not just covid patients but many others if they can't be treated.
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01/12/2020 21:12:12 12 7
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What’s the alternative? Kill thousands of people? If you want to blame people start with all the idiots who couldn’t do without a holiday to Spain for just one year.
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01/12/2020 21:23:54 6 5
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Protecting the NHS IS protecting the people!
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01/12/2020 21:25:15 9 2
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as far as i remember we can all chip in to save people from financial disaster but there was only one bloke who could bring people back from the dead
and you ain't him
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01/12/2020 21:28:31 5 6
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Not to save lives then? Our deaths per capita are appalling and surely we have to do everything possible to stop the premature death of another 50,000 poor souls.
01/12/2020 21:40:46 5 7
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Yep. All for the sake of a bit of flu.
01/12/2020 21:41:00 4 6
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Don't you dear have a go at the NHS. Many front lives have been sacrificed. Now you are fed, watered and feeling safe, Pathetic of you now to attempt diminishing the NHS.
01/12/2020 21:46:34 6 4
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It's not to protect the NHS. It's to help ensure that there is a free hospital bed should you need it.
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01/12/2020 20:24:57 5 11
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But if you add together the abstainers to the noes, does that not mean there are more against than for?. If on 16 Dec there can be more granularity, why not now?
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01/12/2020 20:24:58 290 102
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Boris and co have lost it. Pretty much everything they do is flawed. There will be a load of tier changes and u turn in 2 weeks.
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01/12/2020 20:38:50 177 44
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Clearly they never had it.
Everything they have done since this all started has been about trying to cover that fact up.
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01/12/2020 20:40:20 10 6
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Imagine making your decision and sticking to it. That’s just plain stupid in an evolving unprecedented life-threatening situation.
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oie
01/12/2020 20:43:51 7 16
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Same in Scotland. Boris and Nicola are the uks problem. Starmer is worse.
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01/12/2020 20:46:17 2 5
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I hope so! Everything they've suggested so far hasn't worked!
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01/12/2020 21:06:02 11 4
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You wait until we Brexit as well, it will get a lot worse!
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01/12/2020 21:19:54 7 5
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If you show some maturity and stop picking out bits you dont like THAT IS EXACTLY THE PRINCIPLE BEHIND THE BLOODY TIER SYSTEM.
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01/12/2020 21:24:15 3 4
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Have other European Countries lost it!
01/12/2020 21:38:32 3 6
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They never 'had' it. Lightweight surrounded by lightweights. That said, holding firm against the deniers is probably the first decent thing he's done but who knows what his motivation is. Maybe he's mellowing a bit now his orange friend is on the way out and he's going to have to grow up.
fos
01/12/2020 21:44:34 3 4
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Yawn
02/12/2020 16:35:50 0 0
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It’s people like you that are flawed whining pathetic waste of space get a life clown
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xlr
01/12/2020 20:25:06 81 25
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The Tories almost voted against themselves again. It's getting to be a habit.
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01/12/2020 21:10:39 49 20
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Have any of the government scientists or MP's accepted that the virus is seasonal? Or do they think the lull in the summer was down to the hard work of the British people?
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01/12/2020 21:25:17 5 8
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The ones that voted against the PM are right. They are representing us. The others are not.
01/12/2020 21:32:15 7 4
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Labour didn't know. Led by Captain Hindsight picking splinters out of his rear end from Corbyns well worn fence.
01/12/2020 21:42:00 1 1
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Almost? Check your maths! Nowhere near and was never going to be
01/12/2020 21:50:52 3 1
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Almost voted etc: maths not your strong point then
01/12/2020 23:41:47 2 0
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Which is more than Labour managed. Not only has the Emperor no new clothes he has no testicles either.
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01/12/2020 20:25:12 85 28
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That's a lot of political capital spent. Note how many rebels from the 'take back control' camp. They could have hardly imagined that this meant wresting control from their old Etonion PM
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01/12/2020 20:59:03 19 22
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The PM attended Eton on a scholarship.
01/12/2020 21:45:08 6 5
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A few ‘rebels’ voting with their convictions would not defeat the government - nearly the entire Labour Party and others could not vote either way and once again playing political games - they either support the measures or not!
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Removed
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01/12/2020 20:25:26 15 38
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About time - And the UK should stay in Lockdown until cases go down dramatically!

It IS the ONLY WAY ! (Pre Vaccine !)
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01/12/2020 20:29:01 5 8
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If you want to hide in a cave, by all means do so. Let the majority of others, who are at very low risk, get on with their lives.
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01/12/2020 20:29:14 2 7
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Shut the schools please
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01/12/2020 20:36:20 1 2
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settee ok son?
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01/12/2020 20:21:48 97 56
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The government can't win - make it complicated and they confuse everybody (though in reality just BBC hacks and Labour MPs).

Make the tiers county wide and it is too simple.

Damned if they do & damned if they don't.
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01/12/2020 20:25:34 51 38
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The price they pay for daring to play God with other people's lives. No sympathy from me...
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01/12/2020 20:25:46 16 26
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Never has there been such a need for an opposition. An anti lockdown party. Not labour or tory as they both clearly are out to remove liberties and impoverished people.
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LG
01/12/2020 20:48:10 2 1
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Better get yr ol mate Nige revved up then god forbid
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01/12/2020 21:25:56 1 1
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as far as i remember we can all chip in to save people from financial disaster but there was only one bloke who could bring people back from the dead
and you ain't him
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SJ
01/12/2020 20:23:27 23 24
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I too would have abstained. The Tories have refused to allow dissenting voices, within their party and outside. Let them hold full responsibility for all of their failures. Which include the endlessly changing covid restrictions and failure to follow the science.
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01/12/2020 20:25:58 2 2
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Outside the party?
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SJ
01/12/2020 20:33:48 5 2
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Churchill, faced with a crisis, chose to govern by coalition. New Zealand, top covid performer, has appointed opposition members to a scrutiny panel. Here the Tory policy is to dominate, avoid scrutiny, never seek unity.
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01/12/2020 20:26:01 527 84
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pointless having MP's if they all get TOLD to vote one way or another, then call the ones that vote for the people rebels
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01/12/2020 20:34:00 200 273
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No the ones who voted for the people are the majority.
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01/12/2020 20:46:52 85 11
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Do you not understand how Westminster works ? clearly you do not .
You elect an MP on the lies he/she/it told you pre election and then they go and do whatever they want to do anyway.
It was always this way and always will be .
Your elected rep is there to support the party they represent , they are NOT there to support your views.
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Kat
01/12/2020 20:47:53 27 16
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Your first three words were sufficient.
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01/12/2020 20:48:17 32 14
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Think yourself lucky, in Scotland when the majority of our Parliament voted against the Scottish Government, as has happened twice recently, they just choose to ignore the will of the Parliament and continue to do as they please.
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01/12/2020 20:48:57 68 20
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That's our current Parliamentary system - no longer fit for purpose. Proportional represenation and reform NOW!
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01/12/2020 20:50:33 50 42
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I'm just glad we have "rebels", it shines a beacon of light on democracy. It shows that we don't have to follow idiots such as Whitty and Valance in the way that Boris and his sidekick, Brylcreem Boy, do.
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Ian
01/12/2020 20:51:33 10 2
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The ones who vote contra to what a person wants are always rebels - whether you agree with them or not.
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01/12/2020 20:59:40 2 15
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Premier League and EFL clubs will not be able to sign under-18 European players under new post-Brexit regulations. All signings from the European Union will be required to apply for work permits that will be allocated using a points-based system.
Good for business. NOT!
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01/12/2020 21:00:55 2 1
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you know how politics works??
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01/12/2020 20:59:16 2 2
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Absolutely. If Parliament and the Media was in a bubble before all those Labour supporters voted Conservative for the first time their lives. This time Parliament is in bubble where everyone is going to do more than just vote for the first time in their lives.
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01/12/2020 21:22:26 3 1
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I'm afraid that's the way party politics works. It's been that way for 100s of years & not likely to end soon.
991
01/12/2020 21:28:11 0 1
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The 'peoplev don't have to vote in party members. They could vote for independents.
01/12/2020 21:21:50 5 2
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Think we need a country full of independent MP's rather than the 3 main parties. As they just follow the party line. Same with local councils although at least in our area we are starting to get a lot more independents on the county councils.
Ish
01/12/2020 21:47:22 2 2
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@Carl

As long as it is "your people" they are voting for eh? Grow up
01/12/2020 22:07:09 2 1
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Could have just stopped after 3 words there
01/12/2020 22:21:36 2 1
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The problem we have is this. We have a very old system that only supports the rich, and we have many happy slaves who thinks this system is the only way we can live...
01/12/2020 22:46:09 1 0
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Totally agree. I can understand individual MP's abstaining, but to order a party to do so is pathetic. I wouldn't be considering anyone for power that avoids such a vote in the hope that they can distance themselves from a decision which could have nothing but a negative outcome. It's about the greater good.
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01/12/2020 20:26:04 16 9
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How’s Sweden’s system going?
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01/12/2020 20:27:05 16 9
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I don't care.
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01/12/2020 20:28:11 6 3
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ok, s'far as we know
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01/12/2020 20:37:24 5 4
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Sweden don’t have a morbidly obese chimp in a lab coat running their country! That’s how boucher69.
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Syl
01/12/2020 20:37:39 9 4
bbc
I saw a report yesterday saying the guy who was for herd Immunity has been sidelined as infections and deaths are spiralling at a faster rate than march/April.
441
01/12/2020 20:55:07 0 1
bbc
511
01/12/2020 20:59:21 4 1
bbc
Not well. They are introducing restrictions.
518
01/12/2020 20:59:52 1 4
bbc
Extremely well as in most Scandinavian countries.
01/12/2020 21:49:05 2 3
bbc
669 deaths per million versus 859 for the UK... 22% less...
01/12/2020 22:00:48 2 0
bbc
Not good!
26
01/12/2020 20:26:48 52 14
bbc
So you impersonate a sardine in Primark, Next etc but you can't sit at a table with your better half and enjoy a beer.
I just don't get it.....
669
01/12/2020 21:09:31 10 25
bbc
Something to do with when you are likely to wear a mask. Going round the shops yes, eating and drinking no. So likely to be safer to others and yourself in Primark.
715
01/12/2020 21:12:44 3 3
bbc
There are rules on social distancing and operating Covid safe businesses so there “should” be not sardines in Primark etc. just as their were no scenes of sardines in pubs and poorly run restaurants etc. If people followed the basic rules in all sectors then there wouldn’t be as many problems.
01/12/2020 21:36:56 1 4
bbc
That's down to the stores and the public. They've been told what to do and if they choose to flagrantly ignore the law than the responsibility is theirs not the Governments. Are you one of those who ignore the rules?
25
01/12/2020 20:26:04 16 9
bbc
How’s Sweden’s system going?
27
01/12/2020 20:27:05 16 9
bbc
I don't care.
76
01/12/2020 20:31:05 8 9
bbc
You should, as it seems far better than ours! Probably because they have not got a government projecting fear to a population of total whining bed wetters who basically can't think for themselves
208
01/12/2020 20:40:51 4 3
bbc
badly
28
01/12/2020 20:27:10 5 8
bbc
So here it is covid Christmas,every body's having fun,look to the future now its only just begun ITS CHRIIIISTMASSSS!
138
01/12/2020 20:35:06 1 1
bbc
Seriously don’t make music your living. That was dreadful!
29
01/12/2020 20:27:28 24 20
bbc
Starmer is all three in Wizard of Oz!

Lion
No Courage...

And the Tin Man...
No Heart

And the Scarecrow...
No Brains

Stand up for your country!!!
6
01/12/2020 20:23:07 29 31
bbc
Just a little more patience and we can all get back to normal. Good decision.
30
01/12/2020 20:27:29 10 6
bbc
We've been hearing that since March...
31
01/12/2020 20:27:39 29 29
bbc
A disgusting restraint on our liberties and a dark day for working people and businesses. Protect the vulnerable, provide supports the affeared, and offer people all the information and resources to prevent its spread. Do not baby us
201
01/12/2020 20:40:07 5 4
bbc
As long as people consider their ‘liberties’ ( such as going to the gym ) of greater importance than other people’s lives, we are truly doomed.
962
01/12/2020 21:26:35 1 1
bbc
as far as i remember we can all chip in to save people from financial disaster but there was only one bloke who could bring people back from the dead
and you ain't him
32
01/12/2020 20:27:43 6 23
bbc
Starmer is a bag Sh**. The labour party is now completely Boll***sed. Give me Corbyn at least he was straight and honest
127
01/12/2020 20:34:28 1 1
bbc
Corbyn was presented with consecutive haplessly incompetent Tory governments and couldn’t beat them. Hardly the guy to back. And let’s not mention the EHRC report.
14
01/12/2020 20:23:36 491 191
bbc
R.I.P. UK business.

You were sacrificed to “protect” the NHS
33
01/12/2020 20:27:45 116 381
bbc
Good
125
01/12/2020 20:34:25 80 20
bbc
No business, no NHS.
129
01/12/2020 20:34:48 53 10
bbc
Boris said ‘f*** business’ when Foreign Secretary remember so he has form
147
01/12/2020 20:35:06 95 22
bbc
And how will your precious NHS pay for itself when the UK economy is shredded ? You do realise Uber Deliveroo and Amazon won’t even fund enough in tax for a single hospital ?
172
01/12/2020 20:38:25 40 13
bbc
you visited planet earth recently pal
403
01/12/2020 20:52:42 26 3
bbc
There won’t be any NHS without business. No jobs means no tax revenues, means no NHS funding.
454
01/12/2020 20:56:18 17 11
bbc
The NHS is funded by the taxpayers to protect US. Not the other way around. If they didn't spend half their funds on non-medical administration staff, they may not be 'overwhelmed' - which happens every winter... How only 50 odd Conservative MP's voted against our damaged PM shows who really represent us in Parliament... Just the 50 odd! Remember this when you vote next time...
592
01/12/2020 21:04:37 9 4
bbc
No business. No employment. No tax contribution. No services. No NHS. Still think it is good?
703
01/12/2020 21:11:50 6 2
bbc
Troll. Go and read a red top newspaper instead of the BBC.
894
01/12/2020 21:22:54 4 4
bbc
To pay for the NHS you need jobs you fool.
01/12/2020 21:40:16 0 4
bbc
Is that you BoJo?
01/12/2020 21:43:32 6 5
bbc
As an nhs worker and in intensive care I can tell you there are plenty of free beds. Is it ‘Good’ now?
01/12/2020 21:51:03 4 3
bbc
Let’s just hope there are enough tax payers left to pay for the NHS
34
01/12/2020 20:27:47 7 11
bbc
the economic effect and effect on the millions who will be unemployed and their families come the end of Covid is not worth the lockdown - should just accept the death count for the UK will be higher in 2020/2021 than previous years
01/12/2020 21:29:47 1 2
bbc
as far as i remember we can all chip in to save people from financial disaster but there was only one bloke who could bring people back from the dead
and you ain't him
35
Dom
01/12/2020 20:27:51 178 89
bbc
What a waste of space Labour continue to be. Abstaining for the good of the country. You couldn't make it up. Gutless wonders
65
01/12/2020 20:29:47 19 26
bbc
What would your tiers look like it would it be a free fall scenario
120
01/12/2020 20:33:53 4 5
bbc
Vote them into Parliament next election and let them get a dose of the problems the Gov has to face with a we'll teach them Tory opposition to show how it should have been done!
733
01/12/2020 21:13:55 8 8
bbc
How is this Labours problem exactly? Are you a Tory bot by chance. It’s the Governments plan - simple
985
01/12/2020 21:27:52 7 3
bbc
Just the usual political manoeuvering, labour are good at that
01/12/2020 23:28:43 3 3
bbc
80 seat majority means the tories can do what they want whichever way Labour MPs vote. Unfortunately, the tories haven't a clue and if you're lookkng for gutless people just look at the tories who voted for these pointless measures!
01/12/2020 23:54:34 4 0
bbc
You don't get it do you.
To vote with the Tories would support their flawed plans. To vote against would have defeated Johnson's scheme - and the consequence would (apparently) have been no lockdown of any sort - a free for all. Great, you might think, but cases of infection requiring hospitalisation would rise to a level where treatment could not meet demand. Lack of staff, not beds! Right call
36
01/12/2020 20:27:53 17 14
bbc
Whats the point of trying to fight this, if Labour just sit on the fence and do nothing! They have no credible alternative and so instead of voting for, sit on the fence; I wonder if they had done that if more Tories were voting against! This should not be political; follow the rules to start with and don't have these repeat problems?
37
01/12/2020 20:27:57 39 10
bbc
The main problem is that come February/March the Exchequer is not going to have much money coming in... Millions out of work through no fault of their own & a hospitality sector that has been completely decimated...

Oh, & hundreds still dying every day....

Progress?....
112
01/12/2020 20:33:33 13 2
bbc
not much money, try no money
458
01/12/2020 20:56:31 3 2
bbc
Do you have all the answers then?
01/12/2020 22:48:00 1 1
bbc
“And hundreds still dying every day” you know that hundreds die every day in flu season each year, that thousands die every week of cancer, dementia, heart disease and over a year in the UK 600,000 die. Median age of COVID deaths, 83; average life expectancy in the UK, 82. Where on earth is your perspective. 35k people will die of curable cancer due to COVID NHS restrictions. Grotesque.
6
01/12/2020 20:23:07 29 31
bbc
Just a little more patience and we can all get back to normal. Good decision.
38
01/12/2020 20:28:00 1 2
bbc
Except they have already decided to allow free mixing for a five day period! At least.
14
01/12/2020 20:23:36 491 191
bbc
R.I.P. UK business.

You were sacrificed to “protect” the NHS
39
IAN
01/12/2020 20:28:05 40 17
bbc
More like protect MPs
548
01/12/2020 21:01:59 6 3
bbc
A shameful post how much time have you spent trying to save lives and keep as much of our country moving, hope you and others like you show a little more energy helping get everyone back to some normality very soon
40
01/12/2020 20:28:07 38 21
bbc
Raab bragging the Government won by over 200 votes..not mentioning it was due to Labour abstaining. Then has the nerve to slate Starmer. Did he really think he was going to vote for the Government...he was in a no win situation. But I do still believe abstaining should not be allowed.
52
01/12/2020 20:29:10 22 7
bbc
Raab, 'nuff said. on way out.
80
01/12/2020 20:31:24 4 2
bbc
Why are you listening to Raab? He’s an idiot.
107
LG
01/12/2020 20:33:29 3 5
bbc
Why, you can abstain from a GE if you wish
Pity more labour votors didn't instead of voting Tory
113
Syl
01/12/2020 20:33:35 5 3
bbc
Or labour could have voted against the tiers and the vote would have gone the other way.
225
01/12/2020 20:41:32 6 1
bbc
God forbid Labour support the government- even if it is to save lives.
You can’t make comments like that up!
41
01/12/2020 20:28:09 6 6
bbc
Will Bojo be supplying everyone with Covid free eggs in Grantham for the great unveiling?
84
01/12/2020 20:31:41 0 2
bbc
Paintball anyone.
25
01/12/2020 20:26:04 16 9
bbc
How’s Sweden’s system going?
42
01/12/2020 20:28:11 6 3
bbc
ok, s'far as we know
43
01/12/2020 20:28:16 132 59
bbc
55 is a massive rebellion. Now what’s the plan when the tiers fail again and the “boris saves Xmas” headlines become January’s third lockdown? We need to get a grip.

Still not mass testing, still no plan to restart, still not testing arrivals. It’s gone in most countries. We are not even half way yet
431
01/12/2020 20:54:38 105 16
bbc
Gone in most countries such as? You’re having a laugh surely?
582
01/12/2020 21:03:44 11 2
bbc
Seriously? Do you even know the meaning of the word "most"? If you did you would have not used it.
693
01/12/2020 21:11:20 18 3
bbc
"Gone in most countries"?

I suggest you do some real research, rather than blindly believing whatever guff fits your confirmation bias.

WHO global infection numbers.
Weekly new infections November 1st: 3.3 million.
Weekly new infections December 1st: 4 million.

Not only not gone but getting WORSE.

Do us all a favour & stop telling lies.
748
01/12/2020 21:14:44 9 4
bbc
Arrivals are not responsible for the spread of the virus individuals not following the simple instructions to keep their distance, wear masks in enclosed public spaces and avoid unnecessary contact are. Name a few countries where it is as you put it gone?
01/12/2020 21:29:13 4 1
bbc
By massive rebellion you mean like Labour in 2017 or remain in 2016 the rebels are claiming a win.
01/12/2020 21:45:35 5 1
bbc
A few ‘rebels’ voting with their convictions would not defeat the government - nearly the entire Labour Party and others could not vote either way and once again playing political games - they either support the measures or not!
01/12/2020 22:27:23 3 0
bbc
look at the statistics rates are lower in UK than most european countries so how is that failure
01/12/2020 22:30:16 3 0
bbc
"It’s gone in most countries." That's totally wrong. Are you merely mistaken or deliberately putting out fake news?
01/12/2020 22:39:55 3 0
bbc
Much of Europe is in the same position we are. Trying to balance the number of cases against damage to the economy. NZ and Oz are completely different. Remote with very low population densities. There are parts of Australia where they go weeks without outside interaction.
01/12/2020 22:50:21 2 0
bbc
Gone in most countries? Hard to believe you managed to find a news site among all the social media icons on your mobile phone, or did you press the button by mistake?
01/12/2020 23:04:32 1 0
bbc
Can you list these countries
44
01/12/2020 20:28:23 187 44
bbc
A disgrace to our way of life , ruined by lack of brains in parliament and have you ever known any virus that you could simply postpone or run away from .....NO
212
01/12/2020 20:40:58 161 73
bbc
Agreed, they only care about the NHS - not people, not businesses, not peoples mental state, not those who need social interaction. Shame on the government and their ridiculous ideas.
265
01/12/2020 20:44:15 19 7
bbc
The government's response has been hideously unscientific.
01/12/2020 21:57:18 3 1
bbc
Ever heard of a vaccine?
Ish
01/12/2020 22:19:09 2 1
bbc
@british-army-sas

Really? british-army-sas? Ha ha ha. As if… If that was true you would have capitalised the words. Oh Ebola springs to mind as having been postponed. Ask an adult to look it up for you
01/12/2020 22:33:43 1 0
bbc
Of course you can't 'postpone' a virus. What is your point exactly? You take precautions to try and reduce its effect.
45
01/12/2020 20:28:31 36 24
bbc
Still in lockdown then just by a different name - when are people going to be able to make their own choices - anybody for a dictatorship
315
jim
01/12/2020 20:47:17 5 7
bbc
What, like America with Trump ? look how thats panning out.
46
01/12/2020 20:28:33 6 11
bbc
Oh dear! Now what are the BBC going to stir up over the next few days???
174
01/12/2020 20:38:26 0 1
bbc
Oh dear! Brexit? Starving kids? Mass redundancies? Disappearing pubs? Mental health issues? The lockdowns not working? They'll be spoilt for choice!
47
01/12/2020 20:28:37 16 9
bbc
The North Remebers....
70
01/12/2020 20:29:55 28 5
bbc
But they can’t spell
75
01/12/2020 20:31:03 3 4
bbc
The uk remembers that when most of the country was low, the north continued to break rules and has the highest rates throughout this whole....ultimately leading to wider spread and a second lockdown

You are right....everyone will remember what the north did!
97
01/12/2020 20:32:43 2 1
bbc
because the pubs are shut .. duh!
148
01/12/2020 20:35:57 2 3
bbc
And so they should. Call me unsympathetic but how come it's taken more than four years to finally realise they've been had? Maybe they aren't that bright up there....
01/12/2020 21:39:40 3 1
bbc
The North caused their own problems and inflicted them on the rest of the country. The North is why we ALL ended up in lockdown. The rest of the country remembers
2
01/12/2020 20:21:48 97 56
bbc
The government can't win - make it complicated and they confuse everybody (though in reality just BBC hacks and Labour MPs).

Make the tiers county wide and it is too simple.

Damned if they do & damned if they don't.
48
01/12/2020 20:28:40 3 14
bbc
Plenty of confused kippers and Tories socialising with each other, standing right up close to one another, going on car journeys, unable to work out what a separate household means, can't wear a mask unless it's half on half off.
Ignorance runs across the political spectrum
111
01/12/2020 20:33:33 14 5
bbc
Kippers and Tories eh? Funny that the map of covid outbreaks often looks like where the Labour seats are.
4
oie
01/12/2020 20:22:15 25 31
bbc
The Labour party and the SNP are wet blankets. I can't believe that they are assisting the Tories. Pathetic.
49
01/12/2020 20:28:55 14 1
bbc
It is an agreement that Scottish MP's do not vote for things that only effect England
291
01/12/2020 20:45:49 2 2
bbc
Doesn't stop them from drawing expenses for being there though.
20
01/12/2020 20:25:26 15 38
bbc
About time - And the UK should stay in Lockdown until cases go down dramatically!

It IS the ONLY WAY ! (Pre Vaccine !)
50
01/12/2020 20:29:01 5 8
bbc
If you want to hide in a cave, by all means do so. Let the majority of others, who are at very low risk, get on with their lives.
407
01/12/2020 20:52:55 1 2
bbc
But still capable of passing it on to others - how's that being responsible? Sounds disgustingly selfish to me.
51
01/12/2020 20:29:03 247 63
bbc
The PM’s statement to the house was decimated word for word by Mr Starmer

How can we be on the 5th plan, 8 months later, having gone through two lockdowns, with regulations that are still inconsistent across the country and with massive holes in support-particularly for the self-employed and those asked to self-isolate?!

We need effective restrictions, not ones which encourage rebellion!
83
01/12/2020 20:31:33 100 122
bbc
the alternative is Not to follow Labour
123
01/12/2020 20:34:18 19 36
bbc
Old Captain hindsight is too busy picking the knives out of his back from “his colleagues “ to come out with anything constructive
136
01/12/2020 20:35:05 6 6
bbc
All restrictions will engender rebellion unless they do not result in, like this one, £1Bn a day more for the taxpayers to foot in the next few years.
182
01/12/2020 20:38:55 21 7
bbc
Just a shame he didn’t have the guts to vote against it then
293
01/12/2020 20:46:08 10 4
bbc
Are we still flattening the curve? Does one scotch egg make a summer?
299
01/12/2020 20:46:26 17 27
bbc
Time Starmer encouraged his Labour supporters to stick to the rules. The worst areas are usually Labour ones. Why is that?
510
01/12/2020 20:59:21 6 18
bbc
Captain hindsight the closet kneeler need to get off the fence and throw some opposing ideas
Nut he'll not for fear of public opinion
673
01/12/2020 21:10:02 1 2
bbc
Also one of the highest death tolls in Europe
857
01/12/2020 21:20:42 3 6
bbc
But yet again no coherent plan from Starmer - just carping
909
01/12/2020 21:23:49 2 2
bbc
And then he ran away miserable and spineless in the extreeme
933
01/12/2020 21:25:15 0 4
bbc
Oh you mean the Starmer that didn't bother to vote.
01/12/2020 21:47:41 0 1
bbc
Effective restrictions - like what, pray tell?
fos
01/12/2020 21:51:06 2 2
bbc
The only group to have made a bigger mess than Boris are the Labour leadership of the Welsh assembly.Incidentally SKS much trumpeted circuit breaker was a flawed and useless concept.For good measure never a day goes by without Labour criticism of test and trace the Lab controlled Welsh administration again have managed to do even worse with theirs Scotland and N Ireland also. It’s all hot air.
Sir Starmer didn't pull anything apart. Remember, Sir Starmer is one of the few people in the country who didn't think Saville was a paedo. Removed
01/12/2020 22:24:17 0 0
bbc
decimated means cut by a tenth i.e. 90% was correct
01/12/2020 22:44:46 1 1
bbc
Starmers answer, borrow borrow borrow. Let a future Tory government pick up the bill.
01/12/2020 23:02:44 0 1
bbc
It’s not about business it’s about death
40
01/12/2020 20:28:07 38 21
bbc
Raab bragging the Government won by over 200 votes..not mentioning it was due to Labour abstaining. Then has the nerve to slate Starmer. Did he really think he was going to vote for the Government...he was in a no win situation. But I do still believe abstaining should not be allowed.
52
01/12/2020 20:29:10 22 7
bbc
Raab, 'nuff said. on way out.
20
01/12/2020 20:25:26 15 38
bbc
About time - And the UK should stay in Lockdown until cases go down dramatically!

It IS the ONLY WAY ! (Pre Vaccine !)
53
01/12/2020 20:29:14 2 7
bbc
Shut the schools please
2
01/12/2020 20:21:48 97 56
bbc
The government can't win - make it complicated and they confuse everybody (though in reality just BBC hacks and Labour MPs).

Make the tiers county wide and it is too simple.

Damned if they do & damned if they don't.
54
01/12/2020 20:29:24 2 5
bbc
Too restricting. Shattering the economy, never mind goodness knows how many jobs and livelihoods and consequent repossessions, and mental health problems off the scale. That’s the main reason they are damned. Sadly, it goes on.
55
01/12/2020 20:29:26 5 10
bbc
Excellent news ??
56
01/12/2020 20:29:36 278 48
bbc
Perhaps each MP would like to decide the tier for their constituency...and take the responsibility when it doesn't work i.e. constituents behave ignorantly or selfishly and cases rise. Protesting is easy when you don't have to carry the can or come up with an alternative.
131
01/12/2020 20:34:55 188 81
bbc
no-one has to carry the can. It's a virus and we have to live with it. And die with it. That's life.
196
01/12/2020 20:39:48 9 13
bbc
What guff. People aren't being allowed to try alternatives. Local authorities should be given control of restrictions and local testing.
408
01/12/2020 20:53:00 9 1
bbc
Good point. If the MP calls it wrong, then resign. Suspect few MPs would sign up. Snouts in the trough and all that.
457
01/12/2020 20:56:27 3 6
bbc
Unfortunately our MP is an NHS doctor so would always follow Boris...even though our numbers are declining and we are very rural.
485
01/12/2020 20:58:00 16 5
bbc
Offer that and watch them run away like the spineless Labour party did today, doubted they could become more shambolic after the champagne Blair/Brown years but my God what an awful mess they really are.
650
01/12/2020 21:05:18 8 7
bbc
Agreed and let’s close the NHS to all who voted against.
727
Roy
01/12/2020 21:13:33 7 0
bbc
I entirely agree with your comments. If nobody else insists that Boris carries the can, the press certainly takes every opportunity to kick him down the road.
Fo
01/12/2020 22:07:48 1 1
bbc
I agree, stop the endless carping, let the MPs take the decisions for their own areas, see what happens
01/12/2020 22:08:38 1 0
bbc
I agree with to a point,but it's not just about their local constituency .
01/12/2020 22:58:34 1 0
bbc
Ours voted against today and his constituents admire him for it. I would be more than happy for him to put us in Tier 2 based on the number of cases being fewer than in parts of London.
02/12/2020 00:07:36 0 0
bbc
That would be interesting in Pendle, Kirklees, Oldham, Rochdale, Bury etc., etc.? the whys' and wherefores of the past 50 years might be exposed? Labour strongholds eh?
57
01/12/2020 20:29:39 211 70
bbc
Imagine abstaining on the biggest issue for generations, just imagine. Whichever way you feel you must take a stand either way.
122
01/12/2020 20:34:09 93 14
bbc
I'm inclined to agree. The best thing Labour could have done is have a free vote. They're not being actively supporting the Government (quite rightly) but if they did lose they could say, "Don't blame us for this, it wasn't our fault".
193
Bar
01/12/2020 20:39:34 8 10
bbc
Given the government still isn't being upfront to enable informed voting by MPs and the tier system just doesn't seem to have had the work put in I can understand abstaining
283
01/12/2020 20:45:08 19 2
bbc
Is not going to the pub or eating out for two weeks really such a big deal?
288
01/12/2020 20:45:34 16 7
bbc
It's Corbyn on Brexit all over again
356
01/12/2020 20:49:57 8 8
bbc
The abstained because there wasn’t an alternative!
01/12/2020 21:53:20 4 2
bbc
Enjoy your Tory lockdown. If they’d followed captain hindsight we wouldn’t be in this mess.

But you keep blaming those out of power instead of asking questions of those on power.
58
01/12/2020 20:29:39 29 9
bbc
OK next job roll out the vaccine ASAP
275
Dan
01/12/2020 20:44:38 20 7
bbc
Which bunch of their useless half wit mates will the Tories choose this time? Dido Harding again? I expect they will mess this up as well so don’t hold your breath.
436
01/12/2020 20:54:59 0 0
bbc
Don't forget to check its contents first.
2
01/12/2020 20:21:48 97 56
bbc
The government can't win - make it complicated and they confuse everybody (though in reality just BBC hacks and Labour MPs).

Make the tiers county wide and it is too simple.

Damned if they do & damned if they don't.
59
IAN
01/12/2020 20:29:45 1 3
bbc
If you can't take the heat
60
GSP
01/12/2020 20:26:29 2 3
bbc
What a well functioning Parliament!
61
01/12/2020 20:27:18 44 16
bbc
Vote of no confidence coming soon.
106
01/12/2020 20:33:26 12 10
bbc
Freedom party to win, hopefully
215
01/12/2020 20:41:04 2 0
bbc
In favour of whom? There is no credible anti-lockdown candidate
439
01/12/2020 20:55:07 2 0
bbc
And who is going to propose it and based on what? Ignorance like your post?
62
01/12/2020 20:27:21 115 70
bbc
The financial compensation package for business and workers is pathetic, plenty for their mates though. The Tories laying a solid foundation for future poverty, it's what they do best.
237
01/12/2020 20:42:22 62 38
bbc
You are obviously just a social agitator - on every HYS from politics to International rugby. Try some exercise as a form of anger management.
369
01/12/2020 20:50:49 4 0
bbc
The £1000 offer was just insulting!
63
01/12/2020 20:27:39 70 13
bbc
Let's move on and flourish in 2021 please?
81
01/12/2020 20:31:26 43 29
bbc
By 2030 maybe.
287
01/12/2020 20:45:32 9 0
bbc
As soon as all restrictions are removed we can "move on". Not before then.
692
01/12/2020 21:11:17 5 4
bbc
You gotta be kidding. Wait until the catastrophe that is Brexit starts to hurt........
01/12/2020 23:22:48 2 0
bbc
What makes you think the vaccines will be effective by the end of the year? What if more strains emerge? Lock down again?
This is plain stupid.
01/12/2020 23:35:26 1 0
bbc
If SAGE are allowed to keep running the country 2021 will be the same as 2020.
64
01/12/2020 20:28:30 16 17
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Such a shame this was passed.
400
01/12/2020 20:52:39 0 0
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And pray give give us your superior knowledge, such a sniveling piece of dross that does nothing but wind up the selfish and ignorant.
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Dom
01/12/2020 20:27:51 178 89
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What a waste of space Labour continue to be. Abstaining for the good of the country. You couldn't make it up. Gutless wonders
65
01/12/2020 20:29:47 19 26
bbc
What would your tiers look like it would it be a free fall scenario
3
01/12/2020 20:22:21 377 64
bbc
It'll be interesting to see HYS in a years time when the joblessness and mounting debt (leading to tax rised and spending cuts) really start to bite and hit.

Will the cure be worse than the disease?

We'll see, I guess.
66
01/12/2020 20:29:53 38 25
bbc
The disease we will be dealing with in a year’s time will be Brexit.
67
01/12/2020 20:30:04 7 19
bbc
BOJO BEST PM EVER!!!!

ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS IGNORANT!!!

LOTS AND LOTS OF LOVE FROM PARIS!!
68
01/12/2020 20:30:09 19 15
bbc
Harper and the Covid Recovery group are a shambles. The hospitals serving his constituency already have more in patients with Covid than in the 1st wave. Populist clap trap to lose control of infections now with vaccines round the corner, when we will be able to get back to normal
91
01/12/2020 20:32:24 7 17
bbc
They are the only ones with a spine. We need people with a backbone to fight for freedom and we need it now.
168
01/12/2020 20:37:58 4 4
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All the restrictions and lockdowns have been a shambles. We can't stay in these restrictions forever, and a sense of balance is needed. Keep on believing Witty's scaremongering if you must.
69
01/12/2020 20:30:11 15 19
bbc
Enjoy your power while you can, Tory/Labour - we're voting freedom next time and we'll drain the swamp completely.
Never have we needed an opposition so badly, and Brylcreem is no opposition, he's just Bojo's poodle.
Credit to the Tories who voted against, and especially to the Labour MP's who are principled enough to stand against the establishment.
But we need a freedom party to start from new.
124
01/12/2020 20:34:21 3 1
bbc
You think you speak for all of us?
You're mistaken...

...or an arrogant pillock...
244
01/12/2020 20:42:52 0 0
bbc
Dont talk such utopian drivel, this is the real world.
312
37p
01/12/2020 20:47:14 0 0
bbc
That's what democracy is about.

Good luck - I hope it works for you.
453
01/12/2020 20:56:18 0 1
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Anyone who voted against was effectively voting for no restrictions. To me that is very very irresponsible. People shouldn't die so others can go to the pub, which is effectively what the is about as most other thing can reopen even in tier 3.
47
01/12/2020 20:28:37 16 9
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The North Remebers....
70
01/12/2020 20:29:55 28 5
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But they can’t spell
71
01/12/2020 20:30:19 35 24
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Two lockdowns, and now in tier 3.

In area which was level 2 and cases dropping.

MPs #ShameOnYou.

Time for @borisjohnson to go and take @matthancock with him.

Vote of no confidence in government required.

@conservatives too tied in with WEF, Agenda 2030, Bill Gates, and Klaus to care for the people.
222
01/12/2020 20:41:25 2 15
bbc
Utter drivel this is England where we cannot trust people to do as they are told, no confidence in the government indeed, so you know better and the coward that may well run your party just ran away from any conviction, this is not us and them, its ALL in this together with a bunch of so called Tories with their selfish agenda.
327
01/12/2020 20:47:54 1 0
bbc
Same as you with lockdown and tiers, but I'd rather tighter restrictions than an increase in cases as Wales has seen since it lifted it's lockdown
13
01/12/2020 20:24:02 184 40
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It surely will.
72
01/12/2020 20:30:28 33 11
bbc
Don’t think you’ll have to wait a year. Once these job cut announcements and predictions translate into people without livelihoods we’ll be commenting on social disorder the likes of which haven’t been seen since the 1980s
382
01/12/2020 20:51:26 4 11
bbc
Catastrophic thinking. The vaccine is just around the corner.
783
01/12/2020 21:11:51 4 4
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or poverty of which we haven't seen since the 1930s
73
01/12/2020 20:30:50 210 97
bbc
If those 55 MPs, or anyone else advocating dissent, are so worried about the economy, then start encouraging people to follow even the most basic of guidance as well as doing it yourself.

The sooner we get the virus down to single figures, as countries in East Asia and Oz/NZ have, the sooner we can get the economy rolling again.

Anything else, including arguing, just drags things on and on...
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01/12/2020 20:35:36 51 20
bbc
They will all have done that, but too many people don't follow it. A different approach is needed, one based on pragmatism, not repeating messages which too many have ignored and will probably continue to ignore.
186
01/12/2020 20:39:18 9 4
bbc
So instead of punishing the whole country, punish rule breakers. Not just headline students but all ruke breakers.
324
01/12/2020 20:47:51 12 19
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Wrong. The sooner we end this lock down nonsense - problem solved. Should never have locked down in March.
529
01/12/2020 21:01:00 3 3
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London is closer to ChiNa than NZ
Theres a reason why its low
Hardly anyone lives there
687
01/12/2020 21:10:40 1 5
bbc
What, follow NZ who have screwed their economy? No thank you.
741
01/12/2020 21:14:09 6 1
bbc
If those 55 MPs, or anyone else advocating dissent, are so worried about the economy, why not start putting their hands in their fat greasy overstuffed wallets and give something back to their constituents in need?
01/12/2020 21:46:36 0 0
bbc
A few ‘rebels’ voting with their convictions would not defeat the government - nearly the entire Labour Party and others could not vote either way and once again playing political games - they either support the measures or not!
01/12/2020 22:19:50 0 1
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NZ are going to suffer badly, and their economy is in trouble. They won't be able to open up for years if they want to prevent the virus entering the country. And it is already there and won't go away, it'll just pass asymptomatically between households and erupt when everyone goes out. Jacinda is nigh on an anti-vaxxer and doesn't believe in herd immunity.
Oz is in just as big a cluster f as us.
01/12/2020 22:25:21 2 1
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If you follow the statistics you'll note that the drop in cases doesn't correlate well to stringent measures, more to the time of year. Secondly you'll notice that very few people are even affected by the virus, but they are badly affected when they lose their jobs! Protect the vulnerable and yourself, don't decimate small businesses and employment.
01/12/2020 22:38:12 2 1
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It's too late for driving cases down to single figures. That would take 2- 3 months of total lockdown like April. What's the point of doing something as harmful as that now that the vaccine is so close and about to provide a better solution. Better just stabilize the epidemic at a modest level with moderate measures until the vulnerable are jabbed.
"Single figures"? Are you mad? So if one person gets infected or dies the ENTIRE nation has to suffer? The rates are already in single figures as a percentage of population. It is a flu and no matter what humans do, FLU kills and will do every year forever. Meanhile, people dies of other causes so you can hide safely at home while the country collapses! Removed
74
01/12/2020 20:30:57 66 32
bbc
The rebels are just warming up. Bojo will soon be gone.
195
01/12/2020 20:39:42 23 8
bbc
you wish
300
01/12/2020 20:46:38 3 1
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Hopefully with Hancock and Raab
328
01/12/2020 20:48:07 1 1
bbc
One can but hope.
531
01/12/2020 21:01:10 1 0
bbc
Not likely. They are very well aware of the phase: "Be careful for what you wish for".
02/12/2020 08:47:16 0 0
bbc
Agree, once the vaccine has been rolled out, the country loses the tier system more Tory MP's that backed the PM in the votes will then turn their attention to less life threatening measures, which they won't agree with the PM about. Then you'll see your 55 "rebels" turn into 100+ the government literally will not be able to get anything voted through.

They'll turn on Boris & sack him for "unity"
47
01/12/2020 20:28:37 16 9
bbc
The North Remebers....
75
01/12/2020 20:31:03 3 4
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The uk remembers that when most of the country was low, the north continued to break rules and has the highest rates throughout this whole....ultimately leading to wider spread and a second lockdown

You are right....everyone will remember what the north did!
27
01/12/2020 20:27:05 16 9
bbc
I don't care.
76
01/12/2020 20:31:05 8 9
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You should, as it seems far better than ours! Probably because they have not got a government projecting fear to a population of total whining bed wetters who basically can't think for themselves
01/12/2020 21:48:03 2 1
bbc
No, actually they are not doing any better than us when you factor in all variables. They have had to impose strict restrictions due to rapidly rising cases. Do you not read the news or check facts? Obviously not. And without the responsible and considerate population you scathingly refer to the situation world wide would be far worse due to those like you who just don't think at all
77
01/12/2020 20:31:06 1 8
bbc
That woman the psychotic stare with the spotty black top is always on the BBC posts telling you about cakes. Like I would bother watching that and being addressed like a 5 year old.
276
01/12/2020 20:44:39 0 1
bbc
Irritating, isn't it?
"Keep me in the fridge" on food packets really annoys me, because I'm not five years old.
78
01/12/2020 20:31:10 66 36
bbc
The Tories, true to form, ruining millions of lives, throughout Britain. Our economy will never recover from this shambolic government and their handling of this pandemic. Britain, no longer Great.
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01/12/2020 20:38:18 27 8
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But there is loads of money that we wont be paying i to the EU and migrants next month. The NHS will be saved.

/sarcasm off.
250
01/12/2020 20:43:14 8 2
bbc
Umm, you seem to missing the point that this is caused by a global pandemic. All governments are in no win situations at the moment because the public is split based on if they put lives or the economy first.
799
01/12/2020 21:17:34 2 1
bbc
Typical fact free socialist hysteria.
I guess you failed to notice the whole planet is suffering...
853
01/12/2020 21:20:34 0 1
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It's not just the Great that will be gone. The Britain is gone too, with the divides that this had created between our nations. Could never have imagined that we'd see the border between England and Wales closed.
975
01/12/2020 21:27:14 2 3
bbc
Absolute rubbish, it's Labour who ruin millions of lives every time they're in power. Create financial mayhem and leave the country bankrupt. The economy will kick back up once we are through this. People haven't been going out, or on holiday (the sensible ones anyway) or spending money and they will be all be doing these by the millions and companies should be ready to take advantage of this
01/12/2020 22:41:41 0 0
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What would had done!!!!
01/12/2020 23:23:05 1 0
bbc
Dead right. It’s very telling the MP’s only rebelled because they’re worried about the economy. Didn’t see them bothering to stand up for hungry children, or demand more support for people
01/12/2020 23:43:02 1 0
bbc
The pandemic isn't what will destroy the economy long term - can't you work out what will?
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01/12/2020 20:23:10 392 45
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Really looking forward to my newfound freedoms tomorrow.

I can erm......

Nah, still a lockdown.
79
01/12/2020 20:31:18 70 147
bbc
You can go to the gym. I certainly will.
194
01/12/2020 20:39:38 11 2
bbc
What an appropriate username.
273
01/12/2020 20:44:35 34 20
bbc
And yet you post on here whining and wonder why this incompetent government are struggling to get this outbreak under control.
Have a wee look in the mirror when you are in the gym , that vegetable looking back at you is the reason the clown in Down & Out street cannot get a handle on this.
623
01/12/2020 21:06:48 10 23
bbc
As i am in tier one, i shall go and have a celebratory beer or two, until we are raised to tier two due to the influx of second home owners from tiers two and three.
960
01/12/2020 21:26:31 10 9
bbc
You name sums up your total ignorance to what is really happening
01/12/2020 22:33:06 3 1
bbc
I don’t go to the gym in normal times. I want to be able to get back to Morris dancing but that won’t happen before a vaccine.
02/12/2020 00:27:36 2 1
bbc
Well hospitality workers can't afford to as we're still furloughed and struggling
40
01/12/2020 20:28:07 38 21
bbc
Raab bragging the Government won by over 200 votes..not mentioning it was due to Labour abstaining. Then has the nerve to slate Starmer. Did he really think he was going to vote for the Government...he was in a no win situation. But I do still believe abstaining should not be allowed.
80
01/12/2020 20:31:24 4 2
bbc
Why are you listening to Raab? He’s an idiot.
63
01/12/2020 20:27:39 70 13
bbc
Let's move on and flourish in 2021 please?
81
01/12/2020 20:31:26 43 29
bbc
By 2030 maybe.
190
01/12/2020 20:39:24 0 2
bbc
Most of us won't be around to worry about it by then.
220
01/12/2020 20:41:12 8 7
bbc
Indeed, Brexit is the next turd in the prosperity pipeline.
419
01/12/2020 20:53:49 4 4
bbc
Why not be negative and say never - for gods sake such negativity without any modicum of sense, we do have hope just down the road if several companies are as correct as they are telling us then we have to rebuild our economy, no Hitler led war but similar devastation that could easily have been so much worse without the majority toeing the line.
01/12/2020 21:58:19 2 3
bbc
Nope - Brexit will never end!
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01/12/2020 20:31:31 14 9
bbc
Why is our Govt telling us that vaccinations will start before Xmas...........and Macron is telling France, April to June?......Why do Europe know when vaccine approval is expected, and we don't? Why are we not told how many doses are available now......and each month going forward.

Is the entire country 3 years old and to be treated as such?
202
01/12/2020 20:40:07 4 0
bbc
Know one knows when the vaccines will be approved, they are all guessing across the world
290
01/12/2020 20:45:49 1 0
bbc
Fortunately UK has its own regulator that will act quickly. The EU has their own regulator...can you understand now?
51
01/12/2020 20:29:03 247 63
bbc
The PM’s statement to the house was decimated word for word by Mr Starmer

How can we be on the 5th plan, 8 months later, having gone through two lockdowns, with regulations that are still inconsistent across the country and with massive holes in support-particularly for the self-employed and those asked to self-isolate?!

We need effective restrictions, not ones which encourage rebellion!
83
01/12/2020 20:31:33 100 122
bbc
the alternative is Not to follow Labour
Removed
41
01/12/2020 20:28:09 6 6
bbc
Will Bojo be supplying everyone with Covid free eggs in Grantham for the great unveiling?
84
01/12/2020 20:31:41 0 2
bbc
Paintball anyone.
85
01/12/2020 20:31:48 311 96
bbc
Decisive action from Starmer as he orders Labour to vote “I don’t know.”
307
01/12/2020 20:46:57 114 62
bbc
actually - "abstain" does not mean "agnostic"
435
01/12/2020 20:54:53 30 22
bbc
All Starmer has to do is let the Conservatives come to pieces like a cheap watch. Johnson is a dead man walking but none on his own side want the job until Brexit and Covid have swept past, taking him and the ERG with them.
487
01/12/2020 20:58:07 21 7
bbc
That’s not what abstaining means.
654
01/12/2020 21:08:49 24 17
bbc
Actually, that’s not what abstain means in politics. They abstained to put pressure on Johnson; had more Tory MPs found a spine and voted against the govt, Labour’s abstention would have meant the govt would have to look again at the ridiculously inconsistent tierings.
758
01/12/2020 21:15:34 30 21
bbc
Starmer supported the measures but not the lack of support to business. He could see it would go through so left the Tories to argue amongst themselves. Shrewd move I'd say.
01/12/2020 21:50:02 17 16
bbc
Labour should not be allowed to sit in the fence, pathetic!
Fo
01/12/2020 22:09:02 8 3
bbc
He’s another disappointment - hot shot lawyer.... my arse
01/12/2020 22:12:58 4 4
bbc
Starmer - Willy the Wimp
01/12/2020 22:16:15 5 0
bbc
How can you know so little?
01/12/2020 22:21:36 3 0
bbc
The worst deflection post on this subject.
Ignorance and stupidity combined.
02/12/2020 00:15:18 0 0
bbc
He's defending Labour councils policies of importing votes to towns where industry failed in the 1960's and 1970's , when they failed the skill moved on, and took their vote with them, so they imported the vote. Figure it out.
86
01/12/2020 20:31:50 3 3
bbc
I trust Zahawi rebelled against the government, will be looking for his name, after all he's been furious about the tier system.
319
01/12/2020 20:47:27 1 0
bbc
That was before being made Minister in charge of the vaccine roll out. I too will will be looking for his name. Stratford in Tier 3 when cases are under 90 per 100,000. Redditch with nearly 250 cases per 100,000 Tier 2. Please don't give me the guff about other factors, they dont add up either.
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01/12/2020 20:23:10 392 45
bbc
Really looking forward to my newfound freedoms tomorrow.

I can erm......

Nah, still a lockdown.
87
01/12/2020 20:32:01 9 18
bbc
Play golf..yessir!
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Sar
01/12/2020 20:32:06 15 14
bbc
Absolutely disgraceful. We were protecting the NHS for 3 weeks, now we are killing the economy and destroying lives 9 months later
264
01/12/2020 20:44:11 0 0
bbc
So when they tell us it will all be over in Feb, the question is: which year?
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01/12/2020 20:32:10 30 1
bbc
im in one of the lowest infection rate areas of the country, r=below 1, yet the area will automatically go into tier3 at the request of my local council, along with so many other areas. does the fact that councils are eligible to claim more money per capita in funding, depending on the tier level have any bearing on how and why so many 'poor' councils are requesting higher tier status?
01/12/2020 22:03:19 3 2
bbc
Shame you aren’t in tier 1, then you can have lots of visitors from tier 3 to drive up infection rates in your area
90
01/12/2020 20:32:11 4 4
bbc
78 MPs don’t care if I live or die. No sarcastic comments please.
139
01/12/2020 20:35:20 0 1
bbc
What makes you think any MP's care if you live or you die?
154
01/12/2020 20:36:37 0 0
bbc
There are areas that have lower rates now than before lockdown. They were in t1 before lockdown and t3 now. It makes no sense.

Punishing the majority because a few arent following existing rules isnt going to change the few STILL ignore the rules.
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01/12/2020 20:37:09 0 0
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OTT
249
01/12/2020 20:43:13 0 0
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Plus all us who applaud those 78.
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01/12/2020 20:30:09 19 15
bbc
Harper and the Covid Recovery group are a shambles. The hospitals serving his constituency already have more in patients with Covid than in the 1st wave. Populist clap trap to lose control of infections now with vaccines round the corner, when we will be able to get back to normal
91
01/12/2020 20:32:24 7 17
bbc
They are the only ones with a spine. We need people with a backbone to fight for freedom and we need it now.
472
01/12/2020 20:57:10 0 1
bbc
Freedom could mean death.
754
01/12/2020 21:15:19 0 0
bbc
It’s not a war.
01/12/2020 21:32:05 0 0
bbc
as far as i remember we can all chip in to save people from financial disaster but there was only one bloke who could bring people back from the dead
and you ain't him
92
01/12/2020 20:31:00 6 5
bbc
Looks like JOhnson on his way out - that's 55 MP he will have to fire
93
01/12/2020 20:32:31 5 8
bbc
Honestly - who cares. It's a full time job trying to work out what the rules are, so they're best ignored anyway. As in anything coming out of this lot of totally incompetent liars. Just follow common sense to try to minimise the spread.
219
01/12/2020 20:41:08 0 1
bbc
Sounds good to me ...
94
01/12/2020 20:32:32 2 3
bbc
Carl....don’t you get this Parliamentary thing? You vote for somebody that you like and his politics and the way he meets your needs and then you stay with him!
95
01/12/2020 20:32:34 5 16
bbc
Matt Hancock previously said it was to be a winter "like no other".
"We have to worry about the twin threats of flu and Covid-19."
They're twins alright. Identical ones.
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01/12/2020 20:32:41 12 12
bbc
Weak from starmer. Couldn't support the economy of the north by voting against it, couldn't support a conservative policy by voting for it so ordered not to vote! The north should remember this too at the next election.
47
01/12/2020 20:28:37 16 9
bbc
The North Remebers....
97
01/12/2020 20:32:43 2 1
bbc
because the pubs are shut .. duh!
98
01/12/2020 20:32:53 4 3
bbc
Should be on "local" news, only applies to England
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37p
01/12/2020 20:44:56 0 0
bbc
Which is how much of the UK population?
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01/12/2020 20:23:14 26 19
bbc
Bung us a grand, Boris....Shambles yet again.
99
01/12/2020 20:32:59 14 5
bbc
No point asking for a grand. Minimum request is £20 million and you need to be their ex-neighbour, chum or tormentor from Eton, etc.
100
01/12/2020 20:32:27 12 9
bbc
Shame on Labour! You should have voted against! This would have forced an immediate rethink and a release of proper data enabling a correct analysis of the situation. The lateness of the vote was the government’s blackmail tactic and you fell for it. The nation would have been grateful to you for standing up to the arrogance and tyrannical approach being taken.