Covid-19: Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine judged safe for use in UK
02/12/2020 | news | health | 5,840
The UK is the first country to approve the Pfizer vaccine - with 800,000 doses due to arrive soon.
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jon
02/12/2020 11:21:09 138 24
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This is good news if the storage and handling can be done efficiently. It’s also exciting times for a new RNA vaccine; albeit project fear will now start rolling. The cheaper and traditional Oxford/Astra vaccine based on monkey flu and meningitis needs more testing on people over the age of 55 but should ultimately benefit the world.
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02/12/2020 11:30:45 68 125
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"If". Don't get your hopes up - transporting anything at -70C is not a trivial undertaking and given how the government manages to organise things the vaccines will probably turn up to the centres at room temp. I suspect we'll have to wait for the AZ vaccine before max vaccination occurs.
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02/12/2020 11:41:41 5 3
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Is that why I keep getting the strange urge to swing from the nearest tree branches and eat copious amounts of bananas and grapes? ??
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02/12/2020 12:00:37 14 6
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I'm not sure where you got your information from but the Oxford vaccine does not use simian influenza or for that fact meningitis causing bacteria. If I recall correctly it uses other variations of Corona virus that are responsible for the common cold. Needs more testing on over 55s? I would question your sources of information.
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02/12/2020 12:28:04 6 1
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The meningitis vaccine was the comparator in the phase 1/2b trials it didn't form any part of the vaccine itself.
02/12/2020 17:13:13 0 3
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Boris will pay a middle man to buy ovens rather than freezers.
02/12/2020 18:22:46 0 2
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If the British government buys German instead of British then Oxford uni and AstraZenecca may as well pack their bags and shut up shop. There is no way to sell something to Germany, France or anywhere else that your own government turns round and ignores. The uni and one of our best pharma firms will go the same way as every other British industry, killed by our civil servants
02/12/2020 20:11:54 0 0
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Research shows that usually conspiracy theorists tend to be the same people who cite project fear and fake news. It goes on to say the majority that push this agenda tend to be loners who have pushed others away with their warped views and push these views as away of seeking attention which supports the research that they are yet to develop fully and behave like a child not getting its own way
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02/12/2020 11:21:38 69 54
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Great news. See what can be done when a contract doesn’t go to a Tory MP’s mate.
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02/12/2020 11:21:46 256 33
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Excellent. Light at the end of the tunnel...
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02/12/2020 11:35:30 131 228
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Isn't that what people see just before they die!
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02/12/2020 12:13:40 8 13
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"The vaccine will be non-compulsory...."
If lockdowns, social distancing, mask wearing and other draconian measures were compulsory, why isn't something that will actually truly resolve the issue?
02/12/2020 12:55:52 1 16
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Definitely, now that there is a vaccine I can socialise normally again. Just wish they'd remover this pesky Tier 3. Not following any of the guidance or laws, but it would be nice to go the pictures.
02/12/2020 13:20:14 3 0
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It's usually another train coming the other way!
02/12/2020 17:00:40 0 0
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Is the light at the end of the tunnel is the front of an oncoming train.
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:24:27 32 12
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you are pathetic
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02/12/2020 11:24:47 7 2
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You're funny.
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02/12/2020 11:26:40 19 2
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Enjoy your lockdown then. And any reason why you mention the nationalities? Don’t care where my doctors come from as long as they are winners...
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02/12/2020 11:27:33 9 1
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Guinea pigs are South American...
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02/12/2020 11:27:56 5 6
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With the serum coning from bats testicles...
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02/12/2020 11:28:06 15 2
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Don't worry, the NHS would take one look at your tinfoil suit and give that jab to someone worth bothering with.
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02/12/2020 11:29:31 16 2
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Perhaps the next Darwin Award, given to an individual who improves the gene pool by removing themselves from it by an act of colossal stupidity, should be given to a class of people this year. Anti Vaxers
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02/12/2020 11:30:45 6 1
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You don't have it, you might get you wish.
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02/12/2020 11:34:29 12 1
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"I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me"

Great choice of words!
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02/12/2020 11:34:48 14 3
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What is wrong with you? It has ALREADY been tested. Do try to keep up deary.
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02/12/2020 16:17:53 3 0
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Your comment is stupidity in extremis.
02/12/2020 17:12:34 1 0
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Are there any conspiracy theories & (anti)social media claims you DON'T believe?

And you'd rather die than face the tiny chance of having an adverse reaction to a vaccine?

Utterly demented & delusional...
02/12/2020 18:34:47 1 0
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Good grief - do you really think Jenner put his vaccinations through testing that was remotely as rigorous as that which this vaccine has been put through????
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02/12/2020 11:22:11 896 138
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Thank you again to the international science community for developing this vaccine. And a big thanks today to the UK's independent regulator for testing and approving its rollout. Proof that the UK can be world leading, when free from the interference of the political "leadership" and the awarding of contracts to unqualified cronies.

Leave the rollout to the vaccination and logistics experts.
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02/12/2020 11:26:58 275 794
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You won't be so thankful when a freedom of information request reveals the billions of pounds we are about to get our pants pulled down for, whilst the Pfizer shares sky rocket, our inept government has probably insisted on paying 10x the rate all other countries pay with at least 100 million going to someone to broker the deal.
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02/12/2020 11:50:24 66 5
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We can celebrate being world-leading in pushing through the regulatory approval for the US/German vaccine.

Mammoth effort from scientists. Thanks.

For vaccine sceptics, any medicine (in fact, life) is a balance or risk and reward. It’s up to you.

To politicians, please let’s not have another “look my daughter is eating a beef burger” moment. You’ll do more harm than good.
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02/12/2020 11:51:04 13 38
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But all those deaths happened under Bojo's watch, apparently. So what about the vaccine? Was it under watch?
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02/12/2020 11:52:26 4 14
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Guess you'll expect a free vaccine ?
Guess the £billions of UK taxpayers money to help fund this response doesn't come into it ??????
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02/12/2020 11:58:31 6 18
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The proof is in the pudding. Ten months of testing something that takes ten years to test.
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02/12/2020 12:00:52 2 26
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Such a predictable state narrative response. You should work for the BBC
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02/12/2020 12:15:32 1 8
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Sounds like one of those weird folk who bird watch and has frilly net curtains.
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02/12/2020 12:16:29 1 6
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The cheques in the post
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Pip
02/12/2020 12:26:42 1 7
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Was this written by Handcock........?
Abz
02/12/2020 12:31:33 0 8
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This crap is made in America - it has nothing to do with the UK. And I for one will not allow that yank rubbish into my system.
02/12/2020 12:34:15 0 1
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"Proof that the UK can be world leading..."
Pfizer Inc is an American multinational pharmaceutical corporation.
BioNTech SE is a German biotechnology company.
'World leading' in doing what, exactly?
hvr
02/12/2020 12:38:51 1 1
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Great news. Just to be clear, the MHRA is not an independent regulator, it's part of the DHSC.
02/12/2020 12:47:16 0 3
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Watch the Tories divide it up with their incompetent cronies
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02/12/2020 11:22:20 270 25
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Good, rolling the vaccine out to the most vulnerable group isn’t a huge task, as it’s effective on them let’s get this done so we can go back to normal, stop throwing more money away on furlough and other support, that means we have to be taxed to death even more than we already will be.
NO we dont need ANY VACINE for a imagenery virus ITS NOT REAL Removed
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02/12/2020 11:39:02 33 3
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Once the most vulnerable have been vaccinated the pressure will come straight off the NHS and a (new) normality can resume.

As Boris is fond of saying - "get it done" ASAP
And credit where credit's due to the government for their decision to forgo The EU vaccine procurement program that omitted to pre-order from Pfizer. As Europe suffers it's deadliest days of covid-19 since the start of the pandemic. That omission will inevitably cost many thousands of lives. Yet still no media scrutiny of the Commission somehow.
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02/12/2020 11:50:59 11 28
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Go back to normal people say. Yeah right, the general population have basically given the green light to governments around the world to abuse our freedoms. They are not going to just relinquish that power. The next decade will see a massive hit to our economy as well as our freedoms.
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02/12/2020 11:51:48 7 8
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You probably don't pay any tax!
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02/12/2020 11:58:54 3 10
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But maybe "accidentally" pushing hospital workers up the priority list is a risk that needs thinking through.
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02/12/2020 12:02:28 3 2
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Getting this out to the most vulnerable is a huge task. Its transported at -70°.
02/12/2020 14:42:21 0 2
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I agree, but also think vaccinating people of working age in parallel with older and more vulnerable will bring furlough to an end and get the economy moving quickly. Many businesses rely on younger people being able to work. Especially hospitality which is on it's knees.

Not saying vaccinate them all first but strike a balance?
02/12/2020 14:44:38 1 4
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Sinister. Vaccinating the vulnerable first. A sudden surge in deaths and the most vulnerable are expendable.
02/12/2020 15:58:13 0 0
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By Jan we should be looking at the Oxford vaccine being available in a decent quantity and it is so far the cheapest which eventually if it passes all the tests and is effective then it will be the vaccine of choice for many countries, the first vaccines given out will be the more expensive ones the one that has to be stored at -70 a test for the roll out procedure, hope they get it right
02/12/2020 16:47:18 0 0
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I think the politicians and their scientists should get it first, they deserve it.
02/12/2020 20:43:27 0 0
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If we dealt honestly and fairly with tax evasion and tax havens we need not be overtaxed at all.

Our model of Capitalism has failed and needs replaced with a regulatory one.
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02/12/2020 11:22:23 6 18
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Will they put the ingredients on the side of the tin?
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02/12/2020 11:22:24 6 6
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Cool beans.
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02/12/2020 11:22:45 62 40
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Wait for the 'anti-vaxers' to wake up.
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02/12/2020 11:39:08 52 49
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I am truly grateful that my Mother was anti Thalidomide.
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02/12/2020 11:44:44 19 11
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It's nearly noon so they should be getting up
02/12/2020 12:29:01 3 7
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I was vaccinated as child with everything my 2 year old has been vaccinated with everything.

But would I let my child be vaccinated with something that's not been tested on infants and children with long term effects on child in 5 to 10 years not even looked at yet.

No
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02/12/2020 11:22:53 81 20
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Excellent news. Given so much of our lives from health, social and economic perspectives depend on getting all these restrictions lifted, the Government must be scrutinised to the hilt from all fronts throughout delivery, to make sure this rollout is done as quickly and effectively as possible; we really cannot afford any delays.
And thank goodness we didn't join the EU vaccine procurement program who omitted to pre-order any vaccine from Pfizer the world's #3 pharma company.
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02/12/2020 11:30:37 27 12
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And without contracts going untendered to mate and party donors.
02/12/2020 21:26:40 0 0
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“As quickly as possible”. Mmm....50,000 vaccinating staff doing even only 5 an hour for even only 6 hours a day = 1.5m a day, 7.5m a week. 3 weeks left of 2020 so why could we not get 22m people vaccinated this year? A) We didn’t order enough, and B) HM Government is handling the project.
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02/12/2020 11:23:28 3 2
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If you have the vaccine and it works does that mean you cannot pass on covid if you have it after the vaccine is given?
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02/12/2020 11:25:51 6 1
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not known yet
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02/12/2020 11:25:51 4 1
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I think this is something that no-one knows yet. I guess time will tell
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02/12/2020 11:28:45 0 2
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That's how vaccines usually work.
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02/12/2020 11:29:06 3 1
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I would suggest that if you get covid after receiving the vaccine then you are one of the unlucky 5% for whom it is not effective. You may well get it in a less severe form, but you will undoubtedly be infectious just like anyone else with the disease.
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02/12/2020 11:30:30 1 1
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It dependes, there is suggestions from the reports that these vaccines mearly lower the threat of Covid (so if you were initally going to die from it, now you just a cough) not stop it from spreading. Only time will tell
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02/12/2020 11:32:37 2 1
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"does that mean you cannot pass on covid"

I don't think it does, although I may be wrong. AFAIK it stops you from getting COVID (the disease) as your body can fight the virus off, but does not stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus from getting into or out of your body.
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02/12/2020 11:23:40 11 16
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Just wondering how Bunter will stuff this up
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02/12/2020 11:27:35 3 2
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It’s being led up by Tory wag Kate Bingham ??
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02/12/2020 11:29:22 2 1
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I'm quite sure he'll find a way!
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02/12/2020 11:23:51 130 22
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Some good news. I did feel a little apprehensive about the possibly getting the vaccine before listening to this morning’s briefing but I found it quite reassuring and well explained. Logistical challenges to overcome no doubt, but hopefully the rollout is one part of the pandemic the government get right.
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02/12/2020 11:53:15 52 132
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"I did feel a little apprehensive about the possibly getting the vaccine before listening to this morning’s briefing but I found it quite reassuring and well explained"

They are hardly going to announce that corners were cut and that there are risks.

If it is possible to develop vaccines/medicines so quickly AND safely why has it never been done before? Big Pharma asleep at the wheel?
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02/12/2020 12:05:11 5 14
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Well they ain't going to brief out its dangerous and risky are they?
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02/12/2020 12:27:24 7 3
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Did they announce how long the vaccine gives you protection for, or is that not yet known given the accelerated approval timeframe?
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02/12/2020 12:28:03 2 6
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the word is programme
02/12/2020 12:38:33 14 2
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Yes, and if anyone else is feeling apprehensive, remember the virus itself is still very much an unknown quantity, certainly not to be dismissed as "flu" or a bad cold.
Some survivors are still needing treatment months after infection; a wide range of long-term effects have been reported, including neurological and cardiovascular impacts, lung damage, joint pain, even hair loss.
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02/12/2020 11:24:23 11 20
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My prediction
Vaccines late
Vaccines left defrosting
People told to go to the wrong centre for vaccine
No staff
No syringes
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02/12/2020 11:51:58 7 2
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No, Boris and his mates are not in charge of distribution. It's being done by people who know what they are doing.
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:24:27 32 12
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you are pathetic
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02/12/2020 11:24:30 6 10
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This doesn’t need anti vaxxers as it must be safe, however it feels a bit of a dead cat as we have very few purchased and none delivered yet.

Maybe we could replace a pmq with the whole of Parliament rolling their sleeve up and taking the jab. Shut the deniers up once and for all
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02/12/2020 11:36:26 0 6
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Just get on with what you want to do my friend, and don't concern yourself any more with anti vaxers, it's not your business.
02/12/2020 17:22:20 0 0
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They'll just claim it's a different vaccine that's basically just water.
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:24:47 7 2
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You're funny.
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02/12/2020 11:24:49 15 10
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Presumably millions, if not billions, of people praying to their god to do something yields nothing. Scientists get stuck in, result multiple vaccines coming on stream. My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us.
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02/12/2020 11:29:38 2 5
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"My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us."

Religion is a win-win in these scenarios. They can say that it was through their god's help that the vaccine was developed. Like the old "religious man in a flood" joke: "I sent 2 swimmers, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?!"
God exists as much as fairys, unicorns and Minotaurs, except in the Muslim world where of course God exists ?? Removed
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02/12/2020 11:50:08 0 2
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Didn't God give covid to punish us for something?
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02/12/2020 11:25:08 4 3
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Faintly amusing that the "UK first country" is being highlighted.
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02/12/2020 11:25:11 13 6
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Excellent news. Perhaps we really did need these experts after all...!
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02/12/2020 11:25:28 9 16
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I hope the vast majority of people get this. The Venn diagram of people who won't wear masks, Brexiteers, people who think Trump was sent by God to battle child molesters and anti-vaxxers is worryingly close to a perfect circle.
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Bob
02/12/2020 11:34:18 7 6
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What an ignorant view.

So everyone you disagree with is painted with the same 'stupid' brush?
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02/12/2020 11:33:39 1 4
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I am also so glad all the people who want or need this vaccination get it soon. Then the rest of us who want a normal life can get on with, no matter what happens. Cheers.
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02/12/2020 11:25:33 1520 198
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Lets get this clear right from the start. This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators. All experts. There are no such experts on social media, or HYS, reading a couple of internet articles does not make you an expert. No-one on there has the knowledge to counter the view of these experts that the vaccine is safe. Not even David Icke.
But my mate Darren says vaccines make you 43% more stupid and all my friends on the Internets say the same so it must be true. It's a conspiracy because governments want to inject me. Dunno why to be be honest, but I'm the victim here! Covid is not real. It comes from the land on the back of the flat earth. Up the Vaccine Liberation Front. Removed
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02/12/2020 11:52:40 44 17
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How right you are. Well said!
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02/12/2020 12:00:48 65 21
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The more sceptics and anti vaccine brigade the better, I'm in level 8 of the vaccine queue, don't fancy waiting a year for my jab.
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02/12/2020 12:17:21 18 29
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And why has the BBC used the word JUDGED, putting doubts in peoples minds.
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02/12/2020 12:18:50 3 20
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Not even you then.
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02/12/2020 12:20:58 16 3
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Well said Sir - Bravo!
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02/12/2020 12:21:55 23 31
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And just to be clear, none of the people (scientists, managers, directors, Cxx, shareholders/equity funds etc) involved in the end to end process have any other interests (financial, career etc) other than just to get the best vaccine out
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02/12/2020 12:22:26 14 5
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I'm not a scientist but I do know that is your'e sending a rocket to the sun you go at night !
Abz
02/12/2020 12:35:31 13 77
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Reviewed by the fools who thought lock down was a good idea yes! Peer reviewed by the scientists that view us all as nothing more than walking organisms that spread germs! Oh and being offered to the most vulnerable first instead f those who are being allowed to continue to spread this around the country in schools and hospitals. leave the old indoors for now and immunise those actually at work.
02/12/2020 12:47:28 29 69
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"Never been approved before" "done in 10 months what should take 10 years"... and u think this is safe?! Scariest thing I've read today!
02/12/2020 12:24:51 15 37
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So have they tested this on children and infants and seen the effects on them 5 to 10 years later.

Just asking as a father with 2 year old infant.
02/12/2020 12:53:19 42 3
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If someone hasn't done the work, doesn't know anything about science or medicine then their opinion is meaningless to me. I work in science and regularly get told by university of Facebook alumni that I am wrong and it makes me want to quit the job. Respect the people who put the hard work in, or do the job yourself before coming in with opinions based on nonsense.
02/12/2020 12:53:33 14 7
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Your point is well made. But experts have been wrong before. Asking whether a vaccine rapidly developed (considering the financial gain) is safe is not so foolish. A persons arguments may be 'simple' but his life experience will not be. Probably you are correct.
02/12/2020 13:12:13 14 33
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How did it perform in long term tests ?
Roll up, roll, for your concoction of chemicals for something that requires a test to determine if you have it :)
Idiots.
02/12/2020 13:18:20 23 9
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If this product is safe and guaranteed to be safe, by the experts
Why are all of the vaccines being developed without vaccine liability ?
I’m vaccinated, my kids are vaccinated.
So don’t throw anti Vaxer or conspiracy theorist at me.
It is a question, as to why has liability been waived if we are so certain the product is safe?
02/12/2020 13:20:15 11 19
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how long were the tests vaccines especially ones who mutate your DNA to force an immune response, usually these vaccines take 10 years to go through the stringent tests, this one seems like it took 3 weeks
02/12/2020 13:17:03 13 14
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"Lets get this clear right from the start. This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators."

Let's also get clear that vaccine testing typically takes many times longer than has been the case for this one. And that probably isn't because they enjoy testing.
02/12/2020 13:21:29 2 0
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Will her Majesty and the Royal family do it?
02/12/2020 13:45:30 9 3
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The way I see it, no one got hurt during testing of these vaccines (they tested on thousands of people). No one died.

So inject away, nothing to lose.
02/12/2020 13:50:12 14 2
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All very true. But it is undeniable that this has been rushed through. A 10 year process condensed in to less than 12 months. The long period of drug testing exists for good reasons. Prior to the introduction of proper long term trials, there were more than a few instances of long term effects that were not able to be found. Being cautious is not stupid. Indeed - it is far from it.
02/12/2020 13:56:46 11 4
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"This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators." And just for the sake of completeness: the long term side effects have been assessed by guesswork.
CT
02/12/2020 14:00:05 9 4
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Yes, and many scientists agreed that diesel engines were less harmful than petrol engines, and and are now seeing the resultant devasting effects of many more illnesses and deaths than covid as a result.

As always, a sensible man will always exercise caution.

Remember, want it bad, get it bad.
02/12/2020 14:06:28 11 4
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So to be clear, tinpot regimes around the world who care not a jot for medical regulation have not managed to approve it, nor have super-efficient govts in eg Korea or Singapore

Yet in the UK, where the BoJo has a strong incentive to try to recover something from his tattered reputation, we are able to get it through?

No wonder the first statement is "of course it's safe and no corners were cut"
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02/12/2020 11:25:45 11 14
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Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
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02/12/2020 11:29:34 3 3
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Not even sure Michael Gove believes what comes out of Michael Five’s mouth.
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Bob
02/12/2020 11:30:36 3 3
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You do realise they actually give the jobs to experts.

or did you think Gove and Boris sit in a room deciding on everything on their own?
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02/12/2020 11:32:01 1 3
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It is safe as the regulators, (who are completly independent of the Gvmnt) have seen enough evidence that they can call it safe
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02/12/2020 11:23:28 3 2
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If you have the vaccine and it works does that mean you cannot pass on covid if you have it after the vaccine is given?
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02/12/2020 11:25:51 6 1
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not known yet
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02/12/2020 11:23:28 3 2
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If you have the vaccine and it works does that mean you cannot pass on covid if you have it after the vaccine is given?
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02/12/2020 11:25:51 4 1
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I think this is something that no-one knows yet. I guess time will tell
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02/12/2020 11:26:01 2 2
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I just hope they have enough hoppity voosh stickers for after the jab
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02/12/2020 11:26:02 1 3
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Looks like mRNA is back on the menu boys
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02/12/2020 11:26:04 11 5
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Bet bit of news I've heard all year. At last there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Shortly 'foreign' posters will be here trying to persuade you not to take this vaccine.

Please for all our sakes ignore them.
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02/12/2020 11:45:22 15 22
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After all ,there is only one truth permitted these days.
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02/12/2020 11:50:44 4 1
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Nothing like a bit of xenophobia for the morning.
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02/12/2020 12:16:44 1 1
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Well if you say so it must be true
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02/12/2020 11:26:11 2 7
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Great news and one looks forward to bonus side effect Pfizer includes with its medications, take quit something to better the last one.
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02/12/2020 11:24:49 12 8
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If your knowledge comes from facebook memes and youtube videos you aren't qualified to comment on the safety/efficacy of this vaccine. This has been rigorously tested and has completed the same steps as any other drug, however many of them have been done in tandem and regulatory bodies are reviewing the data rapidly as this is at the top of their priority list rather than the back of the que
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02/12/2020 11:26:37 11 7
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I await with excitement the negative comments based on the fact someone's read a few articles on the Internet so is as well qualified as any medical professional, or because they know someone who knows someone who heard about someone having a bad reaction to a vaccine once.
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02/12/2020 11:30:23 6 5
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Big Geoff from down Spoons is a real expert on how £$%& vaccines are
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02/12/2020 11:26:38 5 13
bbc
Are we going to "waste" virus on frontline staff with C19 antibodies present?

It would take that long to retest them all - certainly not so long as to roll out the vaccinations

Given that in the early stages the amount of vaccine will be at a premium wasting it on those with antibodies when this is avoidable would seem lunacy
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02/12/2020 11:29:47 2 7
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Because that would mean they'd have to admit they were wrong about those who have already had it and developed antibodies. They would rather waste vaccine to safe face.
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02/12/2020 11:32:35 5 3
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What is wrong with you? Frontline staff don't have antibodies against covid!! Comment on something that you understand, like a bacon butty; thing such as this seems to be beyond your comprehension.
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
bbc
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:26:40 19 2
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Enjoy your lockdown then. And any reason why you mention the nationalities? Don’t care where my doctors come from as long as they are winners...
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02/12/2020 11:26:50 23 19
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BBC 1/12/2020: "Why you should not expect vaccine until next year"

BBC 2/12/2020: "Pfizer vaccine approved for use in UK next week."

So BBC, what is your official stance? You seem to be going with popular opinion until facts force you to do otherwise.

I remember a time I coul trust BBC news. Now its all propaganda...
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02/12/2020 11:31:09 10 7
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You're reading into things far too much. Why can't you accept that the facts were reported at the time, and were accurate? Yesterdays news is today fish and chip wrappers. You need to move on.
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02/12/2020 11:34:15 7 2
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It's all propaganda... says the fellow pushing anti BBC propaganda
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02/12/2020 11:34:59 4 1
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Its been approved but unless you are top priorty you ain't geeting it for a while, tbh even next year may be a strech
159
02/12/2020 11:37:01 1 6
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The problem is that
you remember a time of serious, well read, educated journalists. Now it appears that they are all younguns suckled on FB. However they are much better looking these days
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02/12/2020 11:45:39 3 2
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Read the article! The vaccine has been approved, and the first deliveries can be used from next week. However, the majority won't be available until 2021
448
02/12/2020 11:54:56 3 1
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for most people, they won´t be getting a vaccine until well into next year
997
02/12/2020 12:29:00 2 0
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but with only 800,000 doses expected in the near future, the vast majority should still not expect to see a vaccine until 2021
36
02/12/2020 11:26:56 37 32
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Sir kier starmer has stated that he will abstain on the vaccine
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02/12/2020 11:29:41 24 19
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No, he hasn't.
186
02/12/2020 11:38:57 5 6
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I hear he is sitting on the fence
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Bob
02/12/2020 11:43:30 7 5
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This is complete fake news. How dare you.
913
02/12/2020 12:23:02 4 2
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Where did you get this info from?
02/12/2020 13:05:05 4 5
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He may as well not be there. Utter waste of space. I'm writing to my MP to voice my utter disgust the Labour just left those in Tier 3 to rot while where they live in London and has higher infection rates is in Tier 2. Utterly contemptible. Why abstain, you are the opposition party, hold them to account.
02/12/2020 13:12:16 5 2
bbc
Whoosh!
What was that noise?!?

Phew, it was just the sound of a lot of triggered people have a joke fly over their heads.
02/12/2020 14:54:09 1 0
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Liar
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Bob
02/12/2020 11:26:57 7 4
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WOOP WOOP Party at mine!
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02/12/2020 11:26:57 38 31
bbc
Brilliant work from the Conservative Government.

They might not have handled this crisis perfectly but we certainly could not ask for anything more so far as vaccine provision is concerned.

A firm pat on the back for everyone involved.
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02/12/2020 11:28:46 22 26
bbc
Erm it’s nothing to do with the government, and it’s the one they bought the least of and have no means of storing it. What are you praising them for? Going with a product with an asterisk next to it?
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02/12/2020 11:29:36 9 6
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We haven't received a single dose yet, so maybe hold off on the party
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02/12/2020 11:30:20 15 8
bbc
Who in the Govt developed the vaccine? I can't find any names?

It appears your post maybe disengenuous (a fib)!!??
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02/12/2020 11:48:14 4 5
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How long have you worked for the Tory Party? Ludicrous post.
02/12/2020 13:17:16 0 1
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For me the only part the government played was financing the effort.
Thank you again to the international science community for developing this vaccine. And a big thanks today to the UK's independent regulator for testing and approving its rollout. Proof that the UK can be world leading, when free from the interference of the political "leadership" and the awarding of contracts to unqualified cronies.

Leave the rollout to the vaccination and logistics experts.
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02/12/2020 11:26:58 275 794
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You won't be so thankful when a freedom of information request reveals the billions of pounds we are about to get our pants pulled down for, whilst the Pfizer shares sky rocket, our inept government has probably insisted on paying 10x the rate all other countries pay with at least 100 million going to someone to broker the deal.
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02/12/2020 11:36:51 133 29
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There's always at least 1 cynic.
258
02/12/2020 11:43:23 127 14
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Or you could just be happy we have a breakthrough.....
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02/12/2020 11:44:22 137 40
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Far, far better to pay over the odds to have it quicker than risk not having any at all.

Funny how the same people who were attacking the govt for the lack of PPE in March, during a pandemic which triggered a global shortage, are the same people berating the govt now, for overspending on to fix the issue.

Corbyn would have just holed himself up in Millbank singing the Red Flag.
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Ben
02/12/2020 11:44:29 133 8
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I would much rather the UK government pay more for the vaccine this week than others countries might in several months time if it means reopening the country, stopping wasting money on furlough payments and switching the economy back on. That would be a smart investment.
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02/12/2020 11:49:00 171 8
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Just under £15 per dose. Not the cheapest but also not exactly expensive. A drop in the ocean compared to the cost of living with the virus. Will cost about half a billion to fully vaccinate 20m people. Compare this to the £300bn we have spent so far on dealing with the pandemic. You should be extremely grateful to the scientists rather than whining
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02/12/2020 11:53:25 21 4
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We have a vaccine and can now start to look towards the light at the end of the tunnel. No point having a whine about 'estimated' costs.
443
02/12/2020 11:54:41 13 4
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Money not saving lives seems to be your ethos.
541
02/12/2020 12:00:14 19 6
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Snipe, snipe, snipe. You're not even a glass-half full type, more of a "they stole my glass and I didn't want a glass anyway" type
546
02/12/2020 12:00:24 20 5
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But what if this saves lives across the population?

What if one of these lives is yours?

Is it worth the effort then?

I would think so.
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02/12/2020 12:04:49 16 3
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Technology has moved on so testing analysis is faster and probably more accurate. However, nothing we do in our normal daily life is really 100 percent safe unless you live in some kind of dream world
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02/12/2020 12:15:37 6 3
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Miserable b.....d!
804
02/12/2020 12:16:19 7 3
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Jog on Mr or Mrs doom.
861
02/12/2020 12:20:10 5 3
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Can't you just be happy that things are moving forward and we now have some hope?
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02/12/2020 12:24:03 7 3
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This vaccine cost £15 a dose hardly pants pulling
966
02/12/2020 12:26:42 6 2
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Get over yourself. The fact that some people might still be here now to read your ridiculous post is good enough.
02/12/2020 12:29:12 7 1
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Considering the amount of money society willingly splurges for useless pharmaceutical beauty products, or to manage the primarily self inflicted first world 'diabesity' epidemic,.. I won't begrudge Pfizer or any other pharma company the profits they make off actual useful products, including vaccines for the current pandemic. As I indicated, there's plenty of scope for savings elsewhere!!
02/12/2020 12:30:22 6 1
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Seriously? Maybe you would favour buy one get one free in 6 months after another 50k people die and the economy is even more in the dirt.
02/12/2020 12:45:07 3 0
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We pay less than any other country on most drugs so your logic is laughable. BlueFox please lay off the Facebook, it's rotting your brain.
02/12/2020 12:45:22 1 0
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Buy some shares then...
02/12/2020 12:48:43 5 0
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The Pfizer shares have not skyrocketed. Pfizer has not received any government cash in the development of the vaccine. This has been achieved through private investment and not government hand outs.
we BRITTESH people wont take vacine we say NO NO to covid its not real DAVID ICKE has proven it Removed
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02/12/2020 11:28:50 9 1
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There's no need for parody or satire, the true anti vaxxer brigade can write total drivel all by themselves
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02/12/2020 11:27:01 82 16
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This is not only a faint glimmer of hope in tunnel of despair now. We finally have a light. This is the best news so far, we now have a vaccine, it is completely new technique, so will be interesting to see what other side effects that due to the severity of the outbreak couldn't be tested. I will definitely be joining the queue for the vaccine. (When I am allowed to have it).
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02/12/2020 12:28:32 30 26
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It all sounds promising, but I can't see anywhere where it says how long the protection offered by the vaccine is for.
If it wears off after 6 weeks, it would seem a bit pointless.
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02/12/2020 11:27:10 167 39
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If it gets me on a flight somewhere hot and sunny....I'm in.

And if I grow a 3rd testicle....it's an added bonus.
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02/12/2020 11:28:47 249 13
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Not if grows on your forehead it's not
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02/12/2020 12:13:39 7 1
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When we all queues up in the library for the cough and drop at my school, a nurse screamed out to the eternal embarrassment of the lad concerned “HE’s got 3”
That's bollocks and you know that! Removed
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02/12/2020 13:25:54 3 0
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Ah yes, nothing wrong with having a tristicle!
02/12/2020 14:39:54 2 0
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"If it gets me on a flight somewhere hot and sunny....I'm in."

Greta would not be pleased. and the BBC says Greta is right.
02/12/2020 14:43:25 1 0
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Me too! Happy to fly again and give my third testicle a bit of sunshine and exposure>
02/12/2020 16:08:19 2 0
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Crikey have you only got two?
02/12/2020 16:37:34 0 0
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Hahah love your comment, best comment on here.
02/12/2020 16:47:42 0 0
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Im with ya, I worked regularly in Hawaii for 12 years and that came to a halt... need some beach..... Ghost town here in downtown Seattle WA.........bring on the jab as you folks call it.....
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02/12/2020 11:27:22 553 86
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Good briefing earlier! Sober, informed, spoke reassuringly & hopefully eased the fears of the nervous! Excellent news for a once!

The hard core anti-vaxxers & conspiracy theorists will never be changed so just ignore their hot air!??
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02/12/2020 11:42:14 228 471
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Where’s the long term testing? You have clearly forgotten the terrible mistakes that were made with thalidomide. It’s not “hot air”, it’s legitimate concerns.
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Waz
02/12/2020 11:50:54 51 67
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What are you on about? Everyone is entitled to know exactly what they're putting in their body, and its quite primitive of you to think people are anti-vaxxers because they want to know the side effects of putting something in ones body.
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02/12/2020 11:53:24 25 6
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Spot on!
02/12/2020 12:29:37 7 3
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This is a vaccine not a drug - just the same I am not planning on getting pregnant and nor is my wife - working safe from home with my budgie (Gary)
02/12/2020 12:38:08 4 9
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This Hancock clown ?? couldn’t get ppe rolled out probably cock this up as well
02/12/2020 13:08:07 2 0
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Well said
02/12/2020 13:21:30 1 3
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Will be a long while before the vaccine gets to most of by then we will know if its safe short term I'm more than happy to let the boomers try it first????
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02/12/2020 11:27:32 37 25
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Perhaps those on here, twitter and Facebook that are against these benefits to society can have their accounts deleted and perhaps put to back of the queue should they suddenly think damn I can’t travel to Spain this year..
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02/12/2020 11:54:10 14 16
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Time machine back to 1930s Germany
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02/12/2020 12:01:51 5 4
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Ah yes .. another one of those "lets laugh at anti-vaxxers and hope they suffer or die for their stupidity" posts.

Whereas I suspect if I put up a post along the lines of "lets laugh at pro-vaxxers and hope they suffer or die for their gullibility" .. it would get deleted.

New Think.
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02/12/2020 12:02:10 5 3
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ah yes, nothing like a good healthy dose censorship... sure that's never hurt anyone lol
02/12/2020 15:45:32 1 0
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Jedi master? More like 40yo living at home with his mum.

Well I for one don't use social media. And I certainly dont like Spanish people.

Go on hit me with another one? I dare ya.

Hahaha
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:27:33 9 1
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Guinea pigs are South American...
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02/12/2020 11:23:40 11 16
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Just wondering how Bunter will stuff this up
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02/12/2020 11:27:35 3 2
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It’s being led up by Tory wag Kate Bingham ??
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02/12/2020 11:27:43 20 6
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Hooray, hooray. Maybe we can get on with our lives in the next few months, time to crack open the Xmas malt whisky a few weeks early!
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02/12/2020 11:33:53 13 2
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Drink enough of it and you'll be immune to covid
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02/12/2020 12:18:04 4 1
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I’ve been following that advice religiously for the past 9 months!
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02/12/2020 11:27:54 6 3
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Good news, but I think most of us would be waiting a very long time to get this.
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02/12/2020 11:33:46 10 4
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Well most of us aren't in any danger....patience is a virtue.
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:27:56 5 6
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With the serum coning from bats testicles...
02/12/2020 17:13:41 1 0
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Stop it - he'll be adding that to the list in his next post. ;-)
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:28:06 15 2
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Don't worry, the NHS would take one look at your tinfoil suit and give that jab to someone worth bothering with.
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02/12/2020 11:28:22 6 13
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The Tory MPs and House of Lords should all have the vaccine first. Rest of public 6 months later.. :D
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02/12/2020 11:32:31 4 0
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I;d love to have the vaccine now, but will wait my turn.
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02/12/2020 11:36:30 0 1
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If they did, you'd condemn the politicians for "saving themselves while the rest of the population are dying"

Let's face it, for a great many HYS contributors the immediate response to any news, good or bad, is:
"How can we weaponise this to attack the Govt/Opposition or Leavers/Remainers"*

(* delete as appropriate depending on your own personal fanatical obsession)
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02/12/2020 11:39:45 1 0
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Why? Their incompetence has made the epidemic far worse than it should have been. Should be last on the list.
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02/12/2020 11:28:25 199 28
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Brilliant!

An end is in sight to the restrictions.

Science wins!!
It was science that created covid in the first place, tut! Removed
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02/12/2020 11:55:26 9 2
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wouldn't be so sure about that Nick, according to the report the restrictions will still have to be adhered to.
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02/12/2020 11:48:38 11 3
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Shame for all the grifters who have been making video clicks money off the back of this crisis. Back to diet books for them.
02/12/2020 13:17:25 1 15
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Big pharma wins you muppet
02/12/2020 13:56:35 2 0
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Many months off yet
02/12/2020 14:32:58 0 0
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Really?
02/12/2020 14:48:58 1 0
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The end is nigh, the death of the first wave of innoculated.
02/12/2020 16:55:36 0 0
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lol...yeah sure!
02/12/2020 19:49:06 0 0
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"Science wins", perhaps is it Pfizer shareholders who really win?
It probably journalistic malpractice the lack of scrutiny over the absence due diligence exercised by the EU executive that is costing lives in the EU because they omitted to pre-order any vaccine from the world's #3 pharma company. The BBC is part of the problem there.

Just to say thanks to the UK government for their foresight is not joining the EU procurement program.
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02/12/2020 11:34:16 5 3
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Don't let good news get in the way of a good gammony rant, eh?
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02/12/2020 11:39:24 4 0
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Thats untrue- As usual from this particular source.
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02/12/2020 11:23:28 3 2
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If you have the vaccine and it works does that mean you cannot pass on covid if you have it after the vaccine is given?
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02/12/2020 11:28:45 0 2
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That's how vaccines usually work.
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02/12/2020 11:26:57 38 31
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Brilliant work from the Conservative Government.

They might not have handled this crisis perfectly but we certainly could not ask for anything more so far as vaccine provision is concerned.

A firm pat on the back for everyone involved.
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02/12/2020 11:28:46 22 26
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Erm it’s nothing to do with the government, and it’s the one they bought the least of and have no means of storing it. What are you praising them for? Going with a product with an asterisk next to it?
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02/12/2020 11:32:36 10 15
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So everybody is to get a vaccine and yet it's nothing to do with our government.

Typical lefty.

Logic never was their strong suit - a sentiment those poor souls in the gulags I'm sure would have agreed with.
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02/12/2020 11:46:10 3 8
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Get over it!
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02/12/2020 11:46:53 2 4
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How do you know that?
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02/12/2020 11:27:10 167 39
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If it gets me on a flight somewhere hot and sunny....I'm in.

And if I grow a 3rd testicle....it's an added bonus.
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02/12/2020 11:28:47 249 13
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Not if grows on your forehead it's not
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02/12/2020 11:30:45 46 1
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Don't worry...my wife says I'm a right d**k head anyway.
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02/12/2020 11:48:27 4 1
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Or on your cheeks like spitting image
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02/12/2020 12:17:32 5 2
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??
859
02/12/2020 12:19:58 1 1
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Much better.
Is that what you call a dick head Removed
Will complement the knob on yours Removed
02/12/2020 15:56:02 0 0
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ha ha
02/12/2020 20:35:57 0 0
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But that's where his other two are, so...
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02/12/2020 11:28:50 2 9
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Really hope vaccination is a success but the Government is being very careful to avoid the fact that it has been fast-tracked via emergency approval as writ large by the NY Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/world/europe/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-approved-uk.html

More to follow
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02/12/2020 11:33:00 3 0
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But still approved. No if's but's or maybes. Approved.
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02/12/2020 11:54:04 1 0
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Fast tracked or not, that has little bearing on the notion that there is enough data present to show statistical significance in the assertion that saftefty or efficacy is not of concern. I swear some people run away with the most insignificant details.
we BRITTESH people wont take vacine we say NO NO to covid its not real DAVID ICKE has proven it Removed
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02/12/2020 11:28:50 9 1
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There's no need for parody or satire, the true anti vaxxer brigade can write total drivel all by themselves
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02/12/2020 11:23:28 3 2
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If you have the vaccine and it works does that mean you cannot pass on covid if you have it after the vaccine is given?
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02/12/2020 11:29:06 3 1
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I would suggest that if you get covid after receiving the vaccine then you are one of the unlucky 5% for whom it is not effective. You may well get it in a less severe form, but you will undoubtedly be infectious just like anyone else with the disease.
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02/12/2020 11:23:40 11 16
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Just wondering how Bunter will stuff this up
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02/12/2020 11:29:22 2 1
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I'm quite sure he'll find a way!
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:29:31 16 2
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Perhaps the next Darwin Award, given to an individual who improves the gene pool by removing themselves from it by an act of colossal stupidity, should be given to a class of people this year. Anti Vaxers
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02/12/2020 11:36:12 2 4
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Maybe you should look up the word Satire before you start dishing out the Darwin Awards - It making fun of anti vaccers
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02/12/2020 11:25:45 11 14
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Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
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02/12/2020 11:29:34 3 3
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Not even sure Michael Gove believes what comes out of Michael Five’s mouth.
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Pso
02/12/2020 11:29:35 11 8
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Meanwhile in the DM there is pic of 78 yr old man first in Wetherspoons.

Also loads of older people cramming into Debenh.

So much for doing your duty and being patient now that vaccine is on the horizon for this age group.

I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March

Making sacrifices of jobs and economy to save people's lifestyles.

They are happy risk putting strain on NHS
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02/12/2020 11:31:25 10 0
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True, but don't forget that the 78 man in the pub does not represent all 78 year old men.
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02/12/2020 11:38:12 3 3
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If you believe the DM is a factual, impartial newspaper you are as dumb as the rest of your generation. How desperate were you to find something that would allow you to be ageist? I haven't been to the pub for years and most older people are not frequent users. You just want to feel hard done by. Grow up
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02/12/2020 11:48:55 1 0
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"I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March " - there hasn't been that much opportunity, especially in some areas.
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02/12/2020 11:26:57 38 31
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Brilliant work from the Conservative Government.

They might not have handled this crisis perfectly but we certainly could not ask for anything more so far as vaccine provision is concerned.

A firm pat on the back for everyone involved.
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02/12/2020 11:29:36 9 6
bbc
We haven't received a single dose yet, so maybe hold off on the party
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02/12/2020 11:27:58 6 9
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This is not an immediate miracle cure, you can still spread the virus even if inoculated.
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02/12/2020 11:36:29 3 1
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You are potentially contagious until the Vaccine takes effect, currently calculated at around 7-10 days, then it's perfectly fine by all accounts.

There is only limited post immunity risk from transfer of the virus through eg clothing or particularly hard objects like phones or tin foil hats.
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02/12/2020 11:24:49 15 10
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Presumably millions, if not billions, of people praying to their god to do something yields nothing. Scientists get stuck in, result multiple vaccines coming on stream. My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us.
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02/12/2020 11:29:38 2 5
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"My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us."

Religion is a win-win in these scenarios. They can say that it was through their god's help that the vaccine was developed. Like the old "religious man in a flood" joke: "I sent 2 swimmers, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?!"
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02/12/2020 11:29:38 71 19
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Stop praising the scientists, the vaccine was all down to Donald Trump or do you not read his excessive tweets!
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02/12/2020 11:31:51 50 21
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I agree. His Muslim ban meant that great physicists didn’t waste their time visiting Disney world and devoted it to the vaccine. I hear this vaccine is just extra cold bleach, copying the orange one and his idea completely. All true
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02/12/2020 11:32:53 8 18
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I suspect if Obama had been in charge you would be nominating him for another ill deserved Nobel Prize?
RR
02/12/2020 13:11:42 3 0
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And I expect he'll have it microwaved to kill any viruses!
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02/12/2020 11:25:33 1520 198
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Lets get this clear right from the start. This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators. All experts. There are no such experts on social media, or HYS, reading a couple of internet articles does not make you an expert. No-one on there has the knowledge to counter the view of these experts that the vaccine is safe. Not even David Icke.
But my mate Darren says vaccines make you 43% more stupid and all my friends on the Internets say the same so it must be true. It's a conspiracy because governments want to inject me. Dunno why to be be honest, but I'm the victim here! Covid is not real. It comes from the land on the back of the flat earth. Up the Vaccine Liberation Front. Removed
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02/12/2020 11:33:14 87 11
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ROFL
Obviously your mate doesn't need the vaccine, he's stupid enough already.
567
02/12/2020 12:01:33 66 4
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Darren best not have the jab as he might go into negative equity with his IQ!
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02/12/2020 12:02:46 25 5
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????
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02/12/2020 12:10:25 19 12
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Uh oh

Just yesterday the BBC was reporting the danger of humorous memes about the virus and here you are defying their policy!!!!!
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02/12/2020 12:16:48 47 3
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I bet Darren puts his shoes and socks on in that order.
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02/12/2020 12:17:41 8 43
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What a moby you really are
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02/12/2020 12:18:40 47 1
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At last!!! A welcome light relief. Someone else with knowledge of the literary device of sardonic irony. You made me smile on a very dull day. Thank you!
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02/12/2020 12:25:31 0 45
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Half wit
02/12/2020 12:31:31 2 29
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Sounds like you have had plenty of vaccines already judging by your post.
02/12/2020 12:49:11 29 4
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We should start spreading the rumor that the vaccine is a conspiracy by the free government to protect the population against a fast replicating pathogen that was created in secret by the evil Illuminati.

Play the conspiracy theorists at their own game so they don't kill us with their stupidity.
02/12/2020 12:56:20 16 1
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Oh dear ?? Tell Darren that is bad news because 60% of the UK population is 80% stupid to start with ????????
02/12/2020 14:01:12 2 1
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No. It's definitely the 5G.
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02/12/2020 11:26:56 37 32
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Sir kier starmer has stated that he will abstain on the vaccine
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02/12/2020 11:29:41 24 19
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No, he hasn't.
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02/12/2020 11:26:38 5 13
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Are we going to "waste" virus on frontline staff with C19 antibodies present?

It would take that long to retest them all - certainly not so long as to roll out the vaccinations

Given that in the early stages the amount of vaccine will be at a premium wasting it on those with antibodies when this is avoidable would seem lunacy
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02/12/2020 11:29:47 2 7
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Because that would mean they'd have to admit they were wrong about those who have already had it and developed antibodies. They would rather waste vaccine to safe face.
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02/12/2020 11:30:07 247 43
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Great news! Please can we leave political comments out of this. The virus doesn't know your politics, it doesn't know your leave/remainer stance, and it doesn't care less about indyref 2/3/4. It just gets in your system and tries to kill you.
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02/12/2020 11:39:35 128 22
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I don't see that killing anyone is part of its "plan"; it just "wants" to make copies of itself.
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02/12/2020 11:40:20 10 14
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But we have to praise Hancockup for inventing the vaccine.
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02/12/2020 12:10:52 3 5
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Covid is exactly like politics. It worms it way in everywhere
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02/12/2020 12:27:16 10 7
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So long as the government doesn’t claim the glory on something that was out of their hands.
02/12/2020 12:54:23 7 18
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Lift the tier restrictions that are crippling parts of the country.
02/12/2020 13:09:05 5 2
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Thanks for bringing politics into this HYS by asking not to bring politics into this! Stay safe, dude!
02/12/2020 14:39:01 0 0
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"Please can we leave political comments out of this"

don't be silly. politics is what caused the $£vaccine to come into existence.
02/12/2020 15:24:53 0 1
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How can you leave political comments out if politicians like Hancock and Rees-Mogg are making populist statements about the vaccine and Brexit? This vaccine was NOT developed by British researchers nor is it produced in the UK. I can't imagine their reaction if the vaccine was a 'world-beating' or 'world-class' British vaccine!! Their pride will boil over!
02/12/2020 17:12:14 0 0
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and politically could have been managed far far better by the Tory Brexiteers.
02/12/2020 18:07:05 0 0
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How do we know the virus does not know your politics? When it's right inside you it's going to have no trouble with that kind of thing. Remainers will probably taste bitter, and Brexiteers will be fatty and sickly with the with the unmistakable taste of triumph. A good dose of Starmer could cause the virus to die of boredom, other politicians might get the poor thing to laugh itself to death!
02/12/2020 19:36:20 0 0
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Nothing to do with Leave or Remai issues. It was Meat Eaters in China that caused the virus pandemic. Blame the carnivores if anyone, plus the stupid Covid Deniers, anti vaxxers, alien believers and other conspiracy nutjobs.
02/12/2020 19:47:32 0 0
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That's the scaremongering talking. The virus doesn't normally kill, look at the stats, the survival rate for those recognised as being ill enough to be tested for Covid is massive. The virus is not nice but its not an extinction event either.
02/12/2020 21:24:02 0 0
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I was happy to leave politics out of it, and was keen to get the vaccine.

Then I saw Rees-Mogg's comments on tgis being a Brexot bonus, and realised this is a rushed through political football to try and make us look like we're doing well out of the EU.

I'm now a lot less sure about accepting a vaccine at the moment, and will probably wait until it gets EMA approval.
02/12/2020 21:49:58 0 0
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It is not in it's interest to try to kill it's host, it's interest is that of all species on the planet, to procreate.
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02/12/2020 11:26:57 38 31
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Brilliant work from the Conservative Government.

They might not have handled this crisis perfectly but we certainly could not ask for anything more so far as vaccine provision is concerned.

A firm pat on the back for everyone involved.
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02/12/2020 11:30:20 15 8
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Who in the Govt developed the vaccine? I can't find any names?

It appears your post maybe disengenuous (a fib)!!??
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02/12/2020 11:26:37 11 7
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I await with excitement the negative comments based on the fact someone's read a few articles on the Internet so is as well qualified as any medical professional, or because they know someone who knows someone who heard about someone having a bad reaction to a vaccine once.
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02/12/2020 11:30:23 6 5
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Big Geoff from down Spoons is a real expert on how £$%& vaccines are
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02/12/2020 11:33:08 4 1
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Ah, wise old Big Geoff. He knew the answer to the 2009 economic crash as well, if only he'd been in charge.
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02/12/2020 11:30:29 46 12
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I'm confused. Is this the one with the microchip in it, or the one that will turn me into a monkey?
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02/12/2020 11:36:59 7 15
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neither as that is not how vaccines work
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02/12/2020 11:33:39 7 1
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sounds like you do not need it .... you already fall into second option
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02/12/2020 11:46:38 9 1
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no this is the 1 with the 5G in it
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02/12/2020 11:56:23 5 5
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This post shows the level of intelligence in this country.
02/12/2020 13:35:13 4 0
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The one with the microchip in it was made by that bloke who owns Microsoft, surely; these ones are made by some pharmaceutical business. But perhaps Mr Gates owns them as well! It's great that we have unsocial media to tell us all these facts, isn't it?
02/12/2020 15:49:21 1 3
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Yeah the one that'll turn you a darker shade
02/12/2020 21:11:59 0 0
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It’s the one that the monkeys get given and then take over the world.
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02/12/2020 11:30:30 3 5
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in year 2020 - Covid Year 0, they said mRNA vaccines do not interfere with human nuclei, just the cytoplasm, they said.
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02/12/2020 11:23:28 3 2
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If you have the vaccine and it works does that mean you cannot pass on covid if you have it after the vaccine is given?
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02/12/2020 11:30:30 1 1
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It dependes, there is suggestions from the reports that these vaccines mearly lower the threat of Covid (so if you were initally going to die from it, now you just a cough) not stop it from spreading. Only time will tell
02/12/2020 12:44:42 0 0
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If it brings the death and hospitalisation rates down to levels comparable with our regular (and accepted) winter respiratory diseases then that's basically all the world's governments need to lift restrictions.
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02/12/2020 11:30:34 8 4
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Well done to the scientists who are the real heroes in society not tin pot celebrities (or certain Royals) lecturing us from a unique position of ignorance on how we should think .
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02/12/2020 11:30:35 326 34
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Just wonderful news and a big thanks to those clever scientists to produce this vaccine in a record time. Lets all hope that 2021 is a better year for all mankind....
02/12/2020 13:08:41 82 15
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Shows what can be done when they get unlimited resources of course.
02/12/2020 14:51:09 4 8
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cast ur mind back to the zoom meeting with Hancock and Pfizer..
"So can you produce a safe and effective vaccine by xmas"
" One presumes you mean xmas 2021?"
" No this xmas will be good"
" Not a chance, the safety data will take at least 2 years"
" What if we can make you immune to anyone suing you"
"Well how about this years bonfire nite?"..
02/12/2020 16:44:31 4 3
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UK's independent regulator has tested nothing. They've simply examined the results of the limited clinical trials. 10 years of testing condensed to 10 months. No idea of any long-term ill effects. Plenty of money being exchanged all round.
02/12/2020 20:41:17 1 0
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Well that same Mankind has declared War on Nature which caused this pandemic in the first place.

The only hope for Mankind is to stop the War and rebuild so we live in harmony with Nature.
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02/12/2020 11:25:45 11 14
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Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
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Bob
02/12/2020 11:30:36 3 3
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You do realise they actually give the jobs to experts.

or did you think Gove and Boris sit in a room deciding on everything on their own?
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jon
02/12/2020 11:21:09 138 24
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This is good news if the storage and handling can be done efficiently. It’s also exciting times for a new RNA vaccine; albeit project fear will now start rolling. The cheaper and traditional Oxford/Astra vaccine based on monkey flu and meningitis needs more testing on people over the age of 55 but should ultimately benefit the world.
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02/12/2020 11:30:45 68 125
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"If". Don't get your hopes up - transporting anything at -70C is not a trivial undertaking and given how the government manages to organise things the vaccines will probably turn up to the centres at room temp. I suspect we'll have to wait for the AZ vaccine before max vaccination occurs.
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AB
02/12/2020 11:53:27 26 3
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Cryogenics is not exotic, it is standard engineering practice. Just because it isn't in use by the public does not mean it is a difficult technology.
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02/12/2020 12:09:05 15 2
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Most labs in universities & hospitals have -80C storage, they are pretty common and not that expensive.
OK, we'll struggle to roll this vaccine where the power supplies are less available or intermittent but that's why it is being deployed here!
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02/12/2020 11:55:29 10 2
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No, which is why the vaccine manufacturers have designed special containers to keep the temperature consistent for at least 5 days in storage. You're not the first person to think of this.
02/12/2020 12:31:17 9 8
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I think we've had enough of this constant miserable whining with little practical knowledge, about how things will go wrong. It's predictable, boring and a complete waste of time. If you want to try upsetting people more effectively than some already have been, play them some Leonard Cohen.......
02/12/2020 12:42:37 7 0
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It's done on a daily basis in the scientific community. Enzymes, antibodies, molecular biology reagents etc etc etc
02/12/2020 13:04:02 2 2
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Thats right, Boris is going to carry it in a cardboard box himself. Foolish comment.
ET
02/12/2020 13:16:39 6 1
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Another cryogenic expert. There’s a lot about, especially in social media. Makes you wonder, with such a lot of experts, how the real ones doing real jobs earn so much. After all supply and demand should operate here.
Apply to BOC, Air Liquide, Air Products, Linde. I’m sure they’ll take advantage of your expert knowledge.
02/12/2020 17:32:14 2 0
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Such a negative comment, be bleeding thankful, just for once in your misery pit!
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02/12/2020 11:21:47 17 70
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CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
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02/12/2020 11:30:45 6 1
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You don't have it, you might get you wish.
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02/12/2020 11:30:45 2 20
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COVID IS NOT REAL WAYKE UP SHEEPLE
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02/12/2020 11:33:53 8 0
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Stop shouting! It doesn't help your "argument!"
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02/12/2020 11:39:36 3 0
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A true Pratt, you have missed your pills today haven’t you.
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02/12/2020 11:46:10 2 0
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If you're right, I don't want to be
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02/12/2020 11:28:47 249 13
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Not if grows on your forehead it's not
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02/12/2020 11:30:45 46 1
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Don't worry...my wife says I'm a right d**k head anyway.
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02/12/2020 11:39:10 15 1
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Is your wife a twin......
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02/12/2020 11:30:54 7 6
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Most of the silly pricks, pun intended who are anti vaccines on here will take it when it’s offered.
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02/12/2020 11:30:55 8 4
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I'm guessing you will be prioritising areas in Tier 3 first to prove that your latest London favourability wasn't a political stance and based on the health of the nation
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02/12/2020 11:31:07 7 1
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I'd really like to see the Oxford-developed vaccine be given approval, because it's far lower maintenance than the Pfizer vaccine, making it cheaper and easier to distribute to all countries.

However, this is great news all the same. The sooner we can start vaccinating people, the sooner we can all return to some sort normality. Hopefully there won't be any unforeseen side effects to the vaccine.
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02/12/2020 11:33:59 3 7
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You'll probably get your wish. Poundshop vaccine for the plebs and keep the good stuff for themselves. Don't waste the good sherry on 'em old bean!
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02/12/2020 12:12:40 1 2
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"I'd really like to see the Oxford-developed vaccine be given approval"

Strange comment.

Surely it will get approved when it passes the tests. I doubt the people developing it are doing it to pass the time of day.
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02/12/2020 11:26:50 23 19
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BBC 1/12/2020: "Why you should not expect vaccine until next year"

BBC 2/12/2020: "Pfizer vaccine approved for use in UK next week."

So BBC, what is your official stance? You seem to be going with popular opinion until facts force you to do otherwise.

I remember a time I coul trust BBC news. Now its all propaganda...
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02/12/2020 11:31:09 10 7
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You're reading into things far too much. Why can't you accept that the facts were reported at the time, and were accurate? Yesterdays news is today fish and chip wrappers. You need to move on.
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02/12/2020 11:41:51 0 4
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Reading into things? That is exactly what they said so what do you expect people to read? Should they just ignore every headline? Or read it and not have an opinion? That's a ridiculous comment to make. And if nobody points it out then it will carry on that way which is a massive disservice to the license paying public. Maybe you're OK with that but you don't speak for everyone, thank god!
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02/12/2020 11:50:47 0 4
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Newspaper is no longer used for fish and chips, and hasn't been for some years. Cryogenic freezer packed up?
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02/12/2020 11:22:53 81 20
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Excellent news. Given so much of our lives from health, social and economic perspectives depend on getting all these restrictions lifted, the Government must be scrutinised to the hilt from all fronts throughout delivery, to make sure this rollout is done as quickly and effectively as possible; we really cannot afford any delays.
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02/12/2020 11:31:13 116 116
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And thank goodness we didn't join the EU vaccine procurement program who omitted to pre-order any vaccine from Pfizer the world's #3 pharma company.
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02/12/2020 11:36:45 36 31
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Two points.....the EU have other, more carefully considered plans which have not been rushed through in a 'world beating' fashion.
We shall see just how this is yet screwed up by the UK gov.
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02/12/2020 11:37:14 59 17
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Wrong they signed for hundreds of millions of doses: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-reach-agreement-supply-eu-200-million

Fake news spreaders like yourself should be ashamed. Pathetic people trying to muddy waters for everyone in any situation just to help your own cause. (Which is normally helping rich people who don't care about you)
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02/12/2020 11:40:46 39 21
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The EU actually ordered considerably more. They are just bring more measured in approving it by going their own research rather than just buying (literally) whatever Pfizer tell them.
Proof that it is not just on twitter and facebook that you get people spreading fake news about the virus. Or are just one of the gullible fools who actually believes the nonsense you write?
Why do little boys like you lie so much when you known how easily you can be fact checked? The EU has purchased 300 million doess of the Pfizer Vaccine. Pzifer state the deliveries are starting in the next week or 2. Honestly how did tha pass you by? Oh wait, I know..........
02/12/2020 12:33:17 9 5
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You keep putting out these lies all over this HYS, so I'll keep repeating the response.

We tried to join the EU Vaccine program but cocked up.

The EU did its own deal on the Vaccine in November.

Bye
02/12/2020 13:12:24 4 2
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If we were in the EU we would enjoy the protection of the EMA
02/12/2020 13:16:08 6 1
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Wrong, very wrong The EU have the most ordered because the partner company on this vaccine is German BioNTech
02/12/2020 13:50:36 6 1
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It matters not what the HYS is about, you turn it into your little anti EU soapbox.

You are either a paid bot or a deeply scarred, very worried individual.

Someone who continually feels the need to justify their actions is someone who is very insecure as to whether those actions were correct.

We have left, you won, grow up and try to move on.
02/12/2020 14:45:40 0 3
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We only ordered 40 million doses (for 20 million people) and originally none of the Moderna vaccine. Most of our money has gone on the cheaper Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine which appears to be less effective.
02/12/2020 14:45:54 2 1
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Fact check. The EU pre-ordered 300m doses of the Pfizer vaccine & this was widely reported on November 11 including the BBC web site.
02/12/2020 14:52:19 0 0
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Don't Pfizer produce fertiliser? So good with bullshit.
02/12/2020 17:08:34 0 0
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GSK, Pfizer and other major drug companies have been fined BILLIONS OF DOLLARS for criminal activity, yet no one ever gets jailed. What say you?
02/12/2020 17:30:16 1 0
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No ECJ - No FOM - No CFP - No CAP - No Paying In

This person is spreading fake news. The EU ordered 200 million doses - considerably more than the UK. Look it up on Pfizer's own press releases.

This poster should be ashamed. They will make up lies to try and paint the EU as bad. But it is pure lies.

BBC, they should be banned from HYS. Opinion is one thing. Lies are unacceptable.
02/12/2020 17:14:50 0 0
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BioNTech look it up. The vaccine is made in Belgium.
02/12/2020 20:30:06 0 0
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The EU did order 300 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine. They are waiting for the EU regulator to approve it before releasing. There are of course other vaccines too in the pipeline
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/eu-orders/
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02/12/2020 11:31:25 4 10
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Any news on the long term effect of the vaccine?
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02/12/2020 11:32:48 12 1
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Errr...how could there be?
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02/12/2020 11:35:19 3 1
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How can you have news on long term effects until it’s been long term! Dear oh dear.
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Bob
02/12/2020 11:35:43 3 0
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Yes let me just jump in my time machine.
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02/12/2020 11:36:59 2 0
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Let us know in 6 months
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02/12/2020 11:40:55 1 0
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Well that's one almighty head-slap.
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LG
02/12/2020 11:47:25 1 0
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Doh!
02/12/2020 20:26:25 0 0
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I’ll just get my crystal ball out .....
02/12/2020 22:21:55 0 0
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Yes. It stops you getting ill from Covid.
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Pso
02/12/2020 11:29:35 11 8
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Meanwhile in the DM there is pic of 78 yr old man first in Wetherspoons.

Also loads of older people cramming into Debenh.

So much for doing your duty and being patient now that vaccine is on the horizon for this age group.

I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March

Making sacrifices of jobs and economy to save people's lifestyles.

They are happy risk putting strain on NHS
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02/12/2020 11:31:25 10 0
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True, but don't forget that the 78 man in the pub does not represent all 78 year old men.
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02/12/2020 12:08:30 2 0
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Nor do a load of unemployed Anti-Maskers going on protests, or everyone on furlough going down the beach represent all under 40s.

Nigel Farage is 56, leader of the "Reform UK" party.

Swings and roundabouts.
02/12/2020 16:12:20 0 0
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No just the majority
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02/12/2020 11:31:27 7 5
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It is welcome news of a vaccine, although only long term will we know if it is safe. For those who feel they want to be a lab rat, great get on with it. The overwhelming majority of us have no need for it. If you are old and fat, probably a good idea for you to have it. If you have it and fall it, well go to the back of the NHS waiting list. Good luck
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02/12/2020 11:45:41 2 2
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Put the bait away. There is zero need for such emotionally charged language.
02/12/2020 12:33:40 0 0
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Boo!
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02/12/2020 11:31:28 10 14
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Just remember this vaccine is still EXPERIMENTAL & those accepting it are involuntarily taking part in an unscientific Phase 3 trial. Rushing through approval doesn't prove either its safety or its effectiveness.
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02/12/2020 11:36:21 9 4
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Talking rubbish you obviously don’t read or understand the process.
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02/12/2020 11:36:31 1 1
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Where’s you rushing through it’s taken months to get it right.
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02/12/2020 11:37:24 3 1
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If you're accepting it then you're not involuntarily doing anything, muppet
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02/12/2020 11:44:14 1 1
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No, the copious amounts of data collected during 3 phases of trials are what prove it's safety and effectiveness. Data that has been reviewed by regulators. The trials themselves are also run with the strictest of safety parameters. Do you really believe a medicine would even get through those trials if there were concerns of safety or efficacy. If you do then you are living on another planet.
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02/12/2020 11:31:42 10 11
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But my mate Darren says vaccines make you 43% more stupid and all my friends on the Internets say the same so it must be true. It's a conspiracy because governments want to inject me. Dunno why to be be honest, but I'm the victim here! Covid is not real. It comes from the land on the back of the flat earth. Up the Vaccine Liberation Front.
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02/12/2020 11:24:49 15 10
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Presumably millions, if not billions, of people praying to their god to do something yields nothing. Scientists get stuck in, result multiple vaccines coming on stream. My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us.
God exists as much as fairys, unicorns and Minotaurs, except in the Muslim world where of course God exists ?? Removed
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02/12/2020 11:31:46 7 7
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Fantastic news - we need all the good news we can get at the moment as we get ready for the disappointment of Brexit
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02/12/2020 11:31:50 5 7
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You will only feel a little prick when you get the vaccine but if your don't get it you will be a .
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02/12/2020 11:29:38 71 19
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Stop praising the scientists, the vaccine was all down to Donald Trump or do you not read his excessive tweets!
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02/12/2020 11:31:51 50 21
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I agree. His Muslim ban meant that great physicists didn’t waste their time visiting Disney world and devoted it to the vaccine. I hear this vaccine is just extra cold bleach, copying the orange one and his idea completely. All true
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02/12/2020 11:39:36 5 0
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It must be true, it's on the internet!
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02/12/2020 12:12:05 4 2
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Don't go into comedy.
02/12/2020 15:18:46 0 2
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As usual taking half a sentance out of contect to attack someone. What he actually saisas "wouldn't it be good if you could drink bleach and it killes the vitus". Similarly Thatchers "there is no such thing as society" carefully leaving off the first five words "there are those who say" before going on to say that society is individuals doing the best for theier families and the wider community.
02/12/2020 15:42:05 1 1
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Donald Trump bad
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02/12/2020 11:25:45 11 14
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Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
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02/12/2020 11:32:01 1 3
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It is safe as the regulators, (who are completly independent of the Gvmnt) have seen enough evidence that they can call it safe
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02/12/2020 11:32:07 4 0
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Great News! I'm slightly sceptical due to a phobia of needles but it won't be my turn for a long time, here's to a brighter 2021.
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02/12/2020 11:32:09 68 13
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An interesting fact about the Phizer and Moderna vaccines is that their trials did not screen for asymptomatic infections. Hey presto...90%+ effectiveness. By contrast the Astra-Zeneca trial regularly screened for infection and...70% effectiveness. We've not been comparing apples with apples!

I assume the practical storage difficulties of this vaccine mean that it won't get out of hospitals?
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02/12/2020 11:36:05 26 9
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Pfizer.
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02/12/2020 11:48:27 7 0
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"I assume the practical storage difficulties of this vaccine mean that it won't get out of hospitals?"

Not necessarily. It will have a practical life once defrosted. If it is delivered cold, defrosted then used, it should be possible to administer it anywhere.
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02/12/2020 11:49:51 3 1
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How do you know?
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02/12/2020 12:21:02 9 0
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The briefing this morning was clear that it has a refrigerated life (-5c) of 5 days. It was further stated that the preparations included distribution to care homes. So it seems Hospitals/ Specific cryogenic establishments for distribution then out to satellites using standard, widely available, storage.
02/12/2020 12:45:43 3 0
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You are somewhat right but not entirely on the money. Ox/AZ are doing weekly testing, unlike the others, but the primary efficacy endpoint still only involved symptomatic cases. So while it's likely being told they are infected made patients more likely to report symptoms, the lower number isn't because they included asymptomatic cases. Not apples to apples but not quite apples to oranges either
02/12/2020 13:52:11 2 0
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Apparently the vaccine lasts for five days when thawed. That is plenty of time to deliver it to the community without the cold-storage infrastructure.

This was on BBC 5 live this morning.
02/12/2020 14:49:17 1 0
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The 70% effectiveness isn’t true either. It’s an average of 62% in one arm or the study and 90% in a smaller arm which received different doses. Effectiveness isn’t usually reported like that. The arm with 90% effectiveness didn’t have anyone over 55 in it so it has to be repeated.
02/12/2020 16:20:00 1 0
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Well charlie, if it makes vulnerable people have it asymptomatically then it’s still a win compared to them dying from the symptoms.
02/12/2020 18:25:28 0 0
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Frankly given the trial sizes so far I suspect the 90% effective AZ and the 95% effective but totally impractical German vaccine are the same effectiveness. Just the German is 5x the price and cant be delivered without special equipment BUT the civil servants DO get a freee back hander and jolly from it as well as the bonus of killing off another British industry, soomething they LOVE doing
02/12/2020 19:20:50 0 0
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Thanks for the critical information.
02/12/2020 20:20:11 0 0
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There distributing it using all the redundent ice cream vans, listen for the chimes, run and get your jab.....I'll have a flake with mine.