Covid-19: Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine judged safe for use in UK
02/12/2020
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The UK is the first country to approve the Pfizer vaccine - with 800,000 doses due to arrive soon.
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This is good news if the storage and handling can be done efficiently. It’s also exciting times for a new RNA vaccine; albeit project fear will now start rolling. The cheaper and traditional Oxford/Astra vaccine based on monkey flu and meningitis needs more testing on people over the age of 55 but should ultimately benefit the world.
"If". Don't get your hopes up - transporting anything at -70C is not a trivial undertaking and given how the government manages to organise things the vaccines will probably turn up to the centres at room temp. I suspect we'll have to wait for the AZ vaccine before max vaccination occurs.
Is that why I keep getting the strange urge to swing from the nearest tree branches and eat copious amounts of bananas and grapes? ??
I'm not sure where you got your information from but the Oxford vaccine does not use simian influenza or for that fact meningitis causing bacteria. If I recall correctly it uses other variations of Corona virus that are responsible for the common cold. Needs more testing on over 55s? I would question your sources of information.
The meningitis vaccine was the comparator in the phase 1/2b trials it didn't form any part of the vaccine itself.
Boris will pay a middle man to buy ovens rather than freezers.
If the British government buys German instead of British then Oxford uni and AstraZenecca may as well pack their bags and shut up shop. There is no way to sell something to Germany, France or anywhere else that your own government turns round and ignores. The uni and one of our best pharma firms will go the same way as every other British industry, killed by our civil servants
Research shows that usually conspiracy theorists tend to be the same people who cite project fear and fake news. It goes on to say the majority that push this agenda tend to be loners who have pushed others away with their warped views and push these views as away of seeking attention which supports the research that they are yet to develop fully and behave like a child not getting its own way
"The vaccine will be non-compulsory...."
If lockdowns, social distancing, mask wearing and other draconian measures were compulsory, why isn't something that will actually truly resolve the issue?
If lockdowns, social distancing, mask wearing and other draconian measures were compulsory, why isn't something that will actually truly resolve the issue?
Definitely, now that there is a vaccine I can socialise normally again. Just wish they'd remover this pesky Tier 3. Not following any of the guidance or laws, but it would be nice to go the pictures.
It's usually another train coming the other way!
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
You're funny.
Enjoy your lockdown then. And any reason why you mention the nationalities? Don’t care where my doctors come from as long as they are winners...
Don't worry, the NHS would take one look at your tinfoil suit and give that jab to someone worth bothering with.
Perhaps the next Darwin Award, given to an individual who improves the gene pool by removing themselves from it by an act of colossal stupidity, should be given to a class of people this year. Anti Vaxers
"I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me"
Great choice of words!
Great choice of words!
What is wrong with you? It has ALREADY been tested. Do try to keep up deary.
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Are there any conspiracy theories & (anti)social media claims you DON'T believe?
And you'd rather die than face the tiny chance of having an adverse reaction to a vaccine?
Utterly demented & delusional...
And you'd rather die than face the tiny chance of having an adverse reaction to a vaccine?
Utterly demented & delusional...
Good grief - do you really think Jenner put his vaccinations through testing that was remotely as rigorous as that which this vaccine has been put through????
Thank you again to the international science community for developing this vaccine. And a big thanks today to the UK's independent regulator for testing and approving its rollout. Proof that the UK can be world leading, when free from the interference of the political "leadership" and the awarding of contracts to unqualified cronies.
Leave the rollout to the vaccination and logistics experts.
Leave the rollout to the vaccination and logistics experts.
You won't be so thankful when a freedom of information request reveals the billions of pounds we are about to get our pants pulled down for, whilst the Pfizer shares sky rocket, our inept government has probably insisted on paying 10x the rate all other countries pay with at least 100 million going to someone to broker the deal.
We can celebrate being world-leading in pushing through the regulatory approval for the US/German vaccine.
Mammoth effort from scientists. Thanks.
For vaccine sceptics, any medicine (in fact, life) is a balance or risk and reward. It’s up to you.
To politicians, please let’s not have another “look my daughter is eating a beef burger” moment. You’ll do more harm than good.
Mammoth effort from scientists. Thanks.
For vaccine sceptics, any medicine (in fact, life) is a balance or risk and reward. It’s up to you.
To politicians, please let’s not have another “look my daughter is eating a beef burger” moment. You’ll do more harm than good.
But all those deaths happened under Bojo's watch, apparently. So what about the vaccine? Was it under watch?
Guess you'll expect a free vaccine ?
Guess the £billions of UK taxpayers money to help fund this response doesn't come into it ??????
Guess the £billions of UK taxpayers money to help fund this response doesn't come into it ??????
The proof is in the pudding. Ten months of testing something that takes ten years to test.
Such a predictable state narrative response. You should work for the BBC
Sounds like one of those weird folk who bird watch and has frilly net curtains.
This crap is made in America - it has nothing to do with the UK. And I for one will not allow that yank rubbish into my system.
"Proof that the UK can be world leading..."
Pfizer Inc is an American multinational pharmaceutical corporation.
BioNTech SE is a German biotechnology company.
'World leading' in doing what, exactly?
Pfizer Inc is an American multinational pharmaceutical corporation.
BioNTech SE is a German biotechnology company.
'World leading' in doing what, exactly?
Great news. Just to be clear, the MHRA is not an independent regulator, it's part of the DHSC.
Good, rolling the vaccine out to the most vulnerable group isn’t a huge task, as it’s effective on them let’s get this done so we can go back to normal, stop throwing more money away on furlough and other support, that means we have to be taxed to death even more than we already will be.
Once the most vulnerable have been vaccinated the pressure will come straight off the NHS and a (new) normality can resume.
As Boris is fond of saying - "get it done" ASAP
As Boris is fond of saying - "get it done" ASAP
And credit where credit's due to the government for their decision to forgo The EU vaccine procurement program that omitted to pre-order from Pfizer. As Europe suffers it's deadliest days of covid-19 since the start of the pandemic. That omission will inevitably cost many thousands of lives. Yet still no media scrutiny of the Commission somehow.
Go back to normal people say. Yeah right, the general population have basically given the green light to governments around the world to abuse our freedoms. They are not going to just relinquish that power. The next decade will see a massive hit to our economy as well as our freedoms.
You probably don't pay any tax!
But maybe "accidentally" pushing hospital workers up the priority list is a risk that needs thinking through.
Getting this out to the most vulnerable is a huge task. Its transported at -70°.
I agree, but also think vaccinating people of working age in parallel with older and more vulnerable will bring furlough to an end and get the economy moving quickly. Many businesses rely on younger people being able to work. Especially hospitality which is on it's knees.
Not saying vaccinate them all first but strike a balance?
Not saying vaccinate them all first but strike a balance?
Sinister. Vaccinating the vulnerable first. A sudden surge in deaths and the most vulnerable are expendable.
By Jan we should be looking at the Oxford vaccine being available in a decent quantity and it is so far the cheapest which eventually if it passes all the tests and is effective then it will be the vaccine of choice for many countries, the first vaccines given out will be the more expensive ones the one that has to be stored at -70 a test for the roll out procedure, hope they get it right
I think the politicians and their scientists should get it first, they deserve it.
If we dealt honestly and fairly with tax evasion and tax havens we need not be overtaxed at all.
Our model of Capitalism has failed and needs replaced with a regulatory one.
Our model of Capitalism has failed and needs replaced with a regulatory one.
Will they put the ingredients on the side of the tin?
Wait for the 'anti-vaxers' to wake up.
I was vaccinated as child with everything my 2 year old has been vaccinated with everything.
But would I let my child be vaccinated with something that's not been tested on infants and children with long term effects on child in 5 to 10 years not even looked at yet.
No
But would I let my child be vaccinated with something that's not been tested on infants and children with long term effects on child in 5 to 10 years not even looked at yet.
No
Excellent news. Given so much of our lives from health, social and economic perspectives depend on getting all these restrictions lifted, the Government must be scrutinised to the hilt from all fronts throughout delivery, to make sure this rollout is done as quickly and effectively as possible; we really cannot afford any delays.
And thank goodness we didn't join the EU vaccine procurement program who omitted to pre-order any vaccine from Pfizer the world's #3 pharma company.
And without contracts going untendered to mate and party donors.
“As quickly as possible”. Mmm....50,000 vaccinating staff doing even only 5 an hour for even only 6 hours a day = 1.5m a day, 7.5m a week. 3 weeks left of 2020 so why could we not get 22m people vaccinated this year? A) We didn’t order enough, and B) HM Government is handling the project.
If you have the vaccine and it works does that mean you cannot pass on covid if you have it after the vaccine is given?
I think this is something that no-one knows yet. I guess time will tell
I would suggest that if you get covid after receiving the vaccine then you are one of the unlucky 5% for whom it is not effective. You may well get it in a less severe form, but you will undoubtedly be infectious just like anyone else with the disease.
It dependes, there is suggestions from the reports that these vaccines mearly lower the threat of Covid (so if you were initally going to die from it, now you just a cough) not stop it from spreading. Only time will tell
Just wondering how Bunter will stuff this up
Some good news. I did feel a little apprehensive about the possibly getting the vaccine before listening to this morning’s briefing but I found it quite reassuring and well explained. Logistical challenges to overcome no doubt, but hopefully the rollout is one part of the pandemic the government get right.
"I did feel a little apprehensive about the possibly getting the vaccine before listening to this morning’s briefing but I found it quite reassuring and well explained"
They are hardly going to announce that corners were cut and that there are risks.
If it is possible to develop vaccines/medicines so quickly AND safely why has it never been done before? Big Pharma asleep at the wheel?
They are hardly going to announce that corners were cut and that there are risks.
If it is possible to develop vaccines/medicines so quickly AND safely why has it never been done before? Big Pharma asleep at the wheel?
Well they ain't going to brief out its dangerous and risky are they?
Did they announce how long the vaccine gives you protection for, or is that not yet known given the accelerated approval timeframe?
Yes, and if anyone else is feeling apprehensive, remember the virus itself is still very much an unknown quantity, certainly not to be dismissed as "flu" or a bad cold.
Some survivors are still needing treatment months after infection; a wide range of long-term effects have been reported, including neurological and cardiovascular impacts, lung damage, joint pain, even hair loss.
Some survivors are still needing treatment months after infection; a wide range of long-term effects have been reported, including neurological and cardiovascular impacts, lung damage, joint pain, even hair loss.
My prediction
Vaccines late
Vaccines left defrosting
People told to go to the wrong centre for vaccine
No staff
No syringes
Vaccines late
Vaccines left defrosting
People told to go to the wrong centre for vaccine
No staff
No syringes
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
This doesn’t need anti vaxxers as it must be safe, however it feels a bit of a dead cat as we have very few purchased and none delivered yet.
Maybe we could replace a pmq with the whole of Parliament rolling their sleeve up and taking the jab. Shut the deniers up once and for all
Maybe we could replace a pmq with the whole of Parliament rolling their sleeve up and taking the jab. Shut the deniers up once and for all
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
Presumably millions, if not billions, of people praying to their god to do something yields nothing. Scientists get stuck in, result multiple vaccines coming on stream. My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us.
"My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us."
Religion is a win-win in these scenarios. They can say that it was through their god's help that the vaccine was developed. Like the old "religious man in a flood" joke: "I sent 2 swimmers, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?!"
Religion is a win-win in these scenarios. They can say that it was through their god's help that the vaccine was developed. Like the old "religious man in a flood" joke: "I sent 2 swimmers, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?!"
God exists as much as fairys, unicorns and Minotaurs, except in the Muslim world where of course God exists ??
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Didn't God give covid to punish us for something?
Faintly amusing that the "UK first country" is being highlighted.
I hope the vast majority of people get this. The Venn diagram of people who won't wear masks, Brexiteers, people who think Trump was sent by God to battle child molesters and anti-vaxxers is worryingly close to a perfect circle.
What an ignorant view.
So everyone you disagree with is painted with the same 'stupid' brush?
So everyone you disagree with is painted with the same 'stupid' brush?
I am also so glad all the people who want or need this vaccination get it soon. Then the rest of us who want a normal life can get on with, no matter what happens. Cheers.
Lets get this clear right from the start. This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators. All experts. There are no such experts on social media, or HYS, reading a couple of internet articles does not make you an expert. No-one on there has the knowledge to counter the view of these experts that the vaccine is safe. Not even David Icke.
But my mate Darren says vaccines make you 43% more stupid and all my friends on the Internets say the same so it must be true. It's a conspiracy because governments want to inject me. Dunno why to be be honest, but I'm the victim here! Covid is not real. It comes from the land on the back of the flat earth. Up the Vaccine Liberation Front.
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How right you are. Well said!
The more sceptics and anti vaccine brigade the better, I'm in level 8 of the vaccine queue, don't fancy waiting a year for my jab.
And why has the BBC used the word JUDGED, putting doubts in peoples minds.
Not even you then.
And just to be clear, none of the people (scientists, managers, directors, Cxx, shareholders/equity funds etc) involved in the end to end process have any other interests (financial, career etc) other than just to get the best vaccine out
I'm not a scientist but I do know that is your'e sending a rocket to the sun you go at night !
Reviewed by the fools who thought lock down was a good idea yes! Peer reviewed by the scientists that view us all as nothing more than walking organisms that spread germs! Oh and being offered to the most vulnerable first instead f those who are being allowed to continue to spread this around the country in schools and hospitals. leave the old indoors for now and immunise those actually at work.
"Never been approved before" "done in 10 months what should take 10 years"... and u think this is safe?! Scariest thing I've read today!
So have they tested this on children and infants and seen the effects on them 5 to 10 years later.
Just asking as a father with 2 year old infant.
Just asking as a father with 2 year old infant.
If someone hasn't done the work, doesn't know anything about science or medicine then their opinion is meaningless to me. I work in science and regularly get told by university of Facebook alumni that I am wrong and it makes me want to quit the job. Respect the people who put the hard work in, or do the job yourself before coming in with opinions based on nonsense.
Your point is well made. But experts have been wrong before. Asking whether a vaccine rapidly developed (considering the financial gain) is safe is not so foolish. A persons arguments may be 'simple' but his life experience will not be. Probably you are correct.
How did it perform in long term tests ?
Roll up, roll, for your concoction of chemicals for something that requires a test to determine if you have it :)
Idiots.
Roll up, roll, for your concoction of chemicals for something that requires a test to determine if you have it :)
Idiots.
If this product is safe and guaranteed to be safe, by the experts
Why are all of the vaccines being developed without vaccine liability ?
I’m vaccinated, my kids are vaccinated.
So don’t throw anti Vaxer or conspiracy theorist at me.
It is a question, as to why has liability been waived if we are so certain the product is safe?
Why are all of the vaccines being developed without vaccine liability ?
I’m vaccinated, my kids are vaccinated.
So don’t throw anti Vaxer or conspiracy theorist at me.
It is a question, as to why has liability been waived if we are so certain the product is safe?
how long were the tests vaccines especially ones who mutate your DNA to force an immune response, usually these vaccines take 10 years to go through the stringent tests, this one seems like it took 3 weeks
"Lets get this clear right from the start. This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators."
Let's also get clear that vaccine testing typically takes many times longer than has been the case for this one. And that probably isn't because they enjoy testing.
Let's also get clear that vaccine testing typically takes many times longer than has been the case for this one. And that probably isn't because they enjoy testing.
The way I see it, no one got hurt during testing of these vaccines (they tested on thousands of people). No one died.
So inject away, nothing to lose.
So inject away, nothing to lose.
All very true. But it is undeniable that this has been rushed through. A 10 year process condensed in to less than 12 months. The long period of drug testing exists for good reasons. Prior to the introduction of proper long term trials, there were more than a few instances of long term effects that were not able to be found. Being cautious is not stupid. Indeed - it is far from it.
"This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators." And just for the sake of completeness: the long term side effects have been assessed by guesswork.
Yes, and many scientists agreed that diesel engines were less harmful than petrol engines, and and are now seeing the resultant devasting effects of many more illnesses and deaths than covid as a result.
As always, a sensible man will always exercise caution.
Remember, want it bad, get it bad.
As always, a sensible man will always exercise caution.
Remember, want it bad, get it bad.
So to be clear, tinpot regimes around the world who care not a jot for medical regulation have not managed to approve it, nor have super-efficient govts in eg Korea or Singapore
Yet in the UK, where the BoJo has a strong incentive to try to recover something from his tattered reputation, we are able to get it through?
No wonder the first statement is "of course it's safe and no corners were cut"
Yet in the UK, where the BoJo has a strong incentive to try to recover something from his tattered reputation, we are able to get it through?
No wonder the first statement is "of course it's safe and no corners were cut"
Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
Not even sure Michael Gove believes what comes out of Michael Five’s mouth.
You do realise they actually give the jobs to experts.
or did you think Gove and Boris sit in a room deciding on everything on their own?
or did you think Gove and Boris sit in a room deciding on everything on their own?
It is safe as the regulators, (who are completly independent of the Gvmnt) have seen enough evidence that they can call it safe
Looks like mRNA is back on the menu boys
Shortly 'foreign' posters will be here trying to persuade you not to take this vaccine.
Please for all our sakes ignore them. Removed
Please for all our sakes ignore them. Removed
If your knowledge comes from facebook memes and youtube videos you aren't qualified to comment on the safety/efficacy of this vaccine. This has been rigorously tested and has completed the same steps as any other drug, however many of them have been done in tandem and regulatory bodies are reviewing the data rapidly as this is at the top of their priority list rather than the back of the que
I await with excitement the negative comments based on the fact someone's read a few articles on the Internet so is as well qualified as any medical professional, or because they know someone who knows someone who heard about someone having a bad reaction to a vaccine once.
Are we going to "waste" virus on frontline staff with C19 antibodies present?
It would take that long to retest them all - certainly not so long as to roll out the vaccinations
Given that in the early stages the amount of vaccine will be at a premium wasting it on those with antibodies when this is avoidable would seem lunacy
It would take that long to retest them all - certainly not so long as to roll out the vaccinations
Given that in the early stages the amount of vaccine will be at a premium wasting it on those with antibodies when this is avoidable would seem lunacy
Because that would mean they'd have to admit they were wrong about those who have already had it and developed antibodies. They would rather waste vaccine to safe face.
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
BBC 1/12/2020: "Why you should not expect vaccine until next year"
BBC 2/12/2020: "Pfizer vaccine approved for use in UK next week."
So BBC, what is your official stance? You seem to be going with popular opinion until facts force you to do otherwise.
I remember a time I coul trust BBC news. Now its all propaganda...
BBC 2/12/2020: "Pfizer vaccine approved for use in UK next week."
So BBC, what is your official stance? You seem to be going with popular opinion until facts force you to do otherwise.
I remember a time I coul trust BBC news. Now its all propaganda...
You're reading into things far too much. Why can't you accept that the facts were reported at the time, and were accurate? Yesterdays news is today fish and chip wrappers. You need to move on.
It's all propaganda... says the fellow pushing anti BBC propaganda
Its been approved but unless you are top priorty you ain't geeting it for a while, tbh even next year may be a strech
The problem is that
you remember a time of serious, well read, educated journalists. Now it appears that they are all younguns suckled on FB. However they are much better looking these days
you remember a time of serious, well read, educated journalists. Now it appears that they are all younguns suckled on FB. However they are much better looking these days
Read the article! The vaccine has been approved, and the first deliveries can be used from next week. However, the majority won't be available until 2021
for most people, they won´t be getting a vaccine until well into next year
but with only 800,000 doses expected in the near future, the vast majority should still not expect to see a vaccine until 2021
Sir kier starmer has stated that he will abstain on the vaccine
He may as well not be there. Utter waste of space. I'm writing to my MP to voice my utter disgust the Labour just left those in Tier 3 to rot while where they live in London and has higher infection rates is in Tier 2. Utterly contemptible. Why abstain, you are the opposition party, hold them to account.
Whoosh!
What was that noise?!?
Phew, it was just the sound of a lot of triggered people have a joke fly over their heads.
What was that noise?!?
Phew, it was just the sound of a lot of triggered people have a joke fly over their heads.
Brilliant work from the Conservative Government.
They might not have handled this crisis perfectly but we certainly could not ask for anything more so far as vaccine provision is concerned.
A firm pat on the back for everyone involved.
They might not have handled this crisis perfectly but we certainly could not ask for anything more so far as vaccine provision is concerned.
A firm pat on the back for everyone involved.
Erm it’s nothing to do with the government, and it’s the one they bought the least of and have no means of storing it. What are you praising them for? Going with a product with an asterisk next to it?
We haven't received a single dose yet, so maybe hold off on the party
Who in the Govt developed the vaccine? I can't find any names?
It appears your post maybe disengenuous (a fib)!!??
It appears your post maybe disengenuous (a fib)!!??
How long have you worked for the Tory Party? Ludicrous post.
For me the only part the government played was financing the effort.
Thank you again to the international science community for developing this vaccine. And a big thanks today to the UK's independent regulator for testing and approving its rollout. Proof that the UK can be world leading, when free from the interference of the political "leadership" and the awarding of contracts to unqualified cronies.
Leave the rollout to the vaccination and logistics experts.
Leave the rollout to the vaccination and logistics experts.
You won't be so thankful when a freedom of information request reveals the billions of pounds we are about to get our pants pulled down for, whilst the Pfizer shares sky rocket, our inept government has probably insisted on paying 10x the rate all other countries pay with at least 100 million going to someone to broker the deal.
There's always at least 1 cynic.
Far, far better to pay over the odds to have it quicker than risk not having any at all.
Funny how the same people who were attacking the govt for the lack of PPE in March, during a pandemic which triggered a global shortage, are the same people berating the govt now, for overspending on to fix the issue.
Corbyn would have just holed himself up in Millbank singing the Red Flag.
Funny how the same people who were attacking the govt for the lack of PPE in March, during a pandemic which triggered a global shortage, are the same people berating the govt now, for overspending on to fix the issue.
Corbyn would have just holed himself up in Millbank singing the Red Flag.
I would much rather the UK government pay more for the vaccine this week than others countries might in several months time if it means reopening the country, stopping wasting money on furlough payments and switching the economy back on. That would be a smart investment.
Just under £15 per dose. Not the cheapest but also not exactly expensive. A drop in the ocean compared to the cost of living with the virus. Will cost about half a billion to fully vaccinate 20m people. Compare this to the £300bn we have spent so far on dealing with the pandemic. You should be extremely grateful to the scientists rather than whining
We have a vaccine and can now start to look towards the light at the end of the tunnel. No point having a whine about 'estimated' costs.
Snipe, snipe, snipe. You're not even a glass-half full type, more of a "they stole my glass and I didn't want a glass anyway" type
But what if this saves lives across the population?
What if one of these lives is yours?
Is it worth the effort then?
I would think so.
What if one of these lives is yours?
Is it worth the effort then?
I would think so.
Technology has moved on so testing analysis is faster and probably more accurate. However, nothing we do in our normal daily life is really 100 percent safe unless you live in some kind of dream world
Miserable b.....d!
Can't you just be happy that things are moving forward and we now have some hope?
Get over yourself. The fact that some people might still be here now to read your ridiculous post is good enough.
Considering the amount of money society willingly splurges for useless pharmaceutical beauty products, or to manage the primarily self inflicted first world 'diabesity' epidemic,.. I won't begrudge Pfizer or any other pharma company the profits they make off actual useful products, including vaccines for the current pandemic. As I indicated, there's plenty of scope for savings elsewhere!!
Seriously? Maybe you would favour buy one get one free in 6 months after another 50k people die and the economy is even more in the dirt.
We pay less than any other country on most drugs so your logic is laughable. BlueFox please lay off the Facebook, it's rotting your brain.
Buy some shares then...
This is not only a faint glimmer of hope in tunnel of despair now. We finally have a light. This is the best news so far, we now have a vaccine, it is completely new technique, so will be interesting to see what other side effects that due to the severity of the outbreak couldn't be tested. I will definitely be joining the queue for the vaccine. (When I am allowed to have it).
If it gets me on a flight somewhere hot and sunny....I'm in.
And if I grow a 3rd testicle....it's an added bonus.
And if I grow a 3rd testicle....it's an added bonus.
When we all queues up in the library for the cough and drop at my school, a nurse screamed out to the eternal embarrassment of the lad concerned “HE’s got 3”
That's bollocks and you know that!
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Ah yes, nothing wrong with having a tristicle!
"If it gets me on a flight somewhere hot and sunny....I'm in."
Greta would not be pleased. and the BBC says Greta is right.
Greta would not be pleased. and the BBC says Greta is right.
Me too! Happy to fly again and give my third testicle a bit of sunshine and exposure>
Good briefing earlier! Sober, informed, spoke reassuringly & hopefully eased the fears of the nervous! Excellent news for a once!
The hard core anti-vaxxers & conspiracy theorists will never be changed so just ignore their hot air!??
The hard core anti-vaxxers & conspiracy theorists will never be changed so just ignore their hot air!??
Where’s the long term testing? You have clearly forgotten the terrible mistakes that were made with thalidomide. It’s not “hot air”, it’s legitimate concerns.
What are you on about? Everyone is entitled to know exactly what they're putting in their body, and its quite primitive of you to think people are anti-vaxxers because they want to know the side effects of putting something in ones body.
This is a vaccine not a drug - just the same I am not planning on getting pregnant and nor is my wife - working safe from home with my budgie (Gary)
This Hancock clown ?? couldn’t get ppe rolled out probably cock this up as well
Perhaps those on here, twitter and Facebook that are against these benefits to society can have their accounts deleted and perhaps put to back of the queue should they suddenly think damn I can’t travel to Spain this year..
Ah yes .. another one of those "lets laugh at anti-vaxxers and hope they suffer or die for their stupidity" posts.
Whereas I suspect if I put up a post along the lines of "lets laugh at pro-vaxxers and hope they suffer or die for their gullibility" .. it would get deleted.
New Think.
Whereas I suspect if I put up a post along the lines of "lets laugh at pro-vaxxers and hope they suffer or die for their gullibility" .. it would get deleted.
New Think.
ah yes, nothing like a good healthy dose censorship... sure that's never hurt anyone lol
Jedi master? More like 40yo living at home with his mum.
Well I for one don't use social media. And I certainly dont like Spanish people.
Go on hit me with another one? I dare ya.
Hahaha
Well I for one don't use social media. And I certainly dont like Spanish people.
Go on hit me with another one? I dare ya.
Hahaha
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
Just wondering how Bunter will stuff this up
Hooray, hooray. Maybe we can get on with our lives in the next few months, time to crack open the Xmas malt whisky a few weeks early!
Good news, but I think most of us would be waiting a very long time to get this.
Well most of us aren't in any danger....patience is a virtue.
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
The Tory MPs and House of Lords should all have the vaccine first. Rest of public 6 months later.. :D
If they did, you'd condemn the politicians for "saving themselves while the rest of the population are dying"
Let's face it, for a great many HYS contributors the immediate response to any news, good or bad, is:
"How can we weaponise this to attack the Govt/Opposition or Leavers/Remainers"*
(* delete as appropriate depending on your own personal fanatical obsession)
Let's face it, for a great many HYS contributors the immediate response to any news, good or bad, is:
"How can we weaponise this to attack the Govt/Opposition or Leavers/Remainers"*
(* delete as appropriate depending on your own personal fanatical obsession)
Brilliant!
An end is in sight to the restrictions.
Science wins!!
An end is in sight to the restrictions.
Science wins!!
wouldn't be so sure about that Nick, according to the report the restrictions will still have to be adhered to.
Shame for all the grifters who have been making video clicks money off the back of this crisis. Back to diet books for them.
Really?
The end is nigh, the death of the first wave of innoculated.
It probably journalistic malpractice the lack of scrutiny over the absence due diligence exercised by the EU executive that is costing lives in the EU because they omitted to pre-order any vaccine from the world's #3 pharma company. The BBC is part of the problem there.
Just to say thanks to the UK government for their foresight is not joining the EU procurement program.
Just to say thanks to the UK government for their foresight is not joining the EU procurement program.
So everybody is to get a vaccine and yet it's nothing to do with our government.
Typical lefty.
Logic never was their strong suit - a sentiment those poor souls in the gulags I'm sure would have agreed with.
Typical lefty.
Logic never was their strong suit - a sentiment those poor souls in the gulags I'm sure would have agreed with.
If it gets me on a flight somewhere hot and sunny....I'm in.
And if I grow a 3rd testicle....it's an added bonus.
And if I grow a 3rd testicle....it's an added bonus.
Don't worry...my wife says I'm a right d**k head anyway.
ha ha
Really hope vaccination is a success but the Government is being very careful to avoid the fact that it has been fast-tracked via emergency approval as writ large by the NY Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/world/europe/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-approved-uk.html
More to follow
More to follow
But still approved. No if's but's or maybes. Approved.
Just wondering how Bunter will stuff this up
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
Maybe you should look up the word Satire before you start dishing out the Darwin Awards - It making fun of anti vaccers
Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
Meanwhile in the DM there is pic of 78 yr old man first in Wetherspoons.
Also loads of older people cramming into Debenh.
So much for doing your duty and being patient now that vaccine is on the horizon for this age group.
I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March
Making sacrifices of jobs and economy to save people's lifestyles.
They are happy risk putting strain on NHS
Also loads of older people cramming into Debenh.
So much for doing your duty and being patient now that vaccine is on the horizon for this age group.
I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March
Making sacrifices of jobs and economy to save people's lifestyles.
They are happy risk putting strain on NHS
True, but don't forget that the 78 man in the pub does not represent all 78 year old men.
If you believe the DM is a factual, impartial newspaper you are as dumb as the rest of your generation. How desperate were you to find something that would allow you to be ageist? I haven't been to the pub for years and most older people are not frequent users. You just want to feel hard done by. Grow up
"I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March " - there hasn't been that much opportunity, especially in some areas.
This is not an immediate miracle cure, you can still spread the virus even if inoculated.
You are potentially contagious until the Vaccine takes effect, currently calculated at around 7-10 days, then it's perfectly fine by all accounts.
There is only limited post immunity risk from transfer of the virus through eg clothing or particularly hard objects like phones or tin foil hats.
There is only limited post immunity risk from transfer of the virus through eg clothing or particularly hard objects like phones or tin foil hats.
Presumably millions, if not billions, of people praying to their god to do something yields nothing. Scientists get stuck in, result multiple vaccines coming on stream. My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us.
"My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us."
Religion is a win-win in these scenarios. They can say that it was through their god's help that the vaccine was developed. Like the old "religious man in a flood" joke: "I sent 2 swimmers, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?!"
Religion is a win-win in these scenarios. They can say that it was through their god's help that the vaccine was developed. Like the old "religious man in a flood" joke: "I sent 2 swimmers, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?!"
Stop praising the scientists, the vaccine was all down to Donald Trump or do you not read his excessive tweets!
I agree. His Muslim ban meant that great physicists didn’t waste their time visiting Disney world and devoted it to the vaccine. I hear this vaccine is just extra cold bleach, copying the orange one and his idea completely. All true
I suspect if Obama had been in charge you would be nominating him for another ill deserved Nobel Prize?
Lets get this clear right from the start. This vaccine has been tested, results peer reviewed, and further reviewed by regulators. All experts. There are no such experts on social media, or HYS, reading a couple of internet articles does not make you an expert. No-one on there has the knowledge to counter the view of these experts that the vaccine is safe. Not even David Icke.
But my mate Darren says vaccines make you 43% more stupid and all my friends on the Internets say the same so it must be true. It's a conspiracy because governments want to inject me. Dunno why to be be honest, but I'm the victim here! Covid is not real. It comes from the land on the back of the flat earth. Up the Vaccine Liberation Front.
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Obviously your mate doesn't need the vaccine, he's stupid enough already.
Obviously your mate doesn't need the vaccine, he's stupid enough already.
Darren best not have the jab as he might go into negative equity with his IQ!
Uh oh
Just yesterday the BBC was reporting the danger of humorous memes about the virus and here you are defying their policy!!!!!
Just yesterday the BBC was reporting the danger of humorous memes about the virus and here you are defying their policy!!!!!
What a moby you really are
At last!!! A welcome light relief. Someone else with knowledge of the literary device of sardonic irony. You made me smile on a very dull day. Thank you!
Sounds like you have had plenty of vaccines already judging by your post.
We should start spreading the rumor that the vaccine is a conspiracy by the free government to protect the population against a fast replicating pathogen that was created in secret by the evil Illuminati.
Play the conspiracy theorists at their own game so they don't kill us with their stupidity.
Play the conspiracy theorists at their own game so they don't kill us with their stupidity.
Oh dear ?? Tell Darren that is bad news because 60% of the UK population is 80% stupid to start with ????????
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Sir kier starmer has stated that he will abstain on the vaccine
Are we going to "waste" virus on frontline staff with C19 antibodies present?
It would take that long to retest them all - certainly not so long as to roll out the vaccinations
Given that in the early stages the amount of vaccine will be at a premium wasting it on those with antibodies when this is avoidable would seem lunacy
It would take that long to retest them all - certainly not so long as to roll out the vaccinations
Given that in the early stages the amount of vaccine will be at a premium wasting it on those with antibodies when this is avoidable would seem lunacy
Great news! Please can we leave political comments out of this. The virus doesn't know your politics, it doesn't know your leave/remainer stance, and it doesn't care less about indyref 2/3/4. It just gets in your system and tries to kill you.
I don't see that killing anyone is part of its "plan"; it just "wants" to make copies of itself.
Covid is exactly like politics. It worms it way in everywhere
So long as the government doesn’t claim the glory on something that was out of their hands.
Lift the tier restrictions that are crippling parts of the country.
Thanks for bringing politics into this HYS by asking not to bring politics into this! Stay safe, dude!
"Please can we leave political comments out of this"
don't be silly. politics is what caused the $£vaccine to come into existence.
don't be silly. politics is what caused the $£vaccine to come into existence.
How can you leave political comments out if politicians like Hancock and Rees-Mogg are making populist statements about the vaccine and Brexit? This vaccine was NOT developed by British researchers nor is it produced in the UK. I can't imagine their reaction if the vaccine was a 'world-beating' or 'world-class' British vaccine!! Their pride will boil over!
and politically could have been managed far far better by the Tory Brexiteers.
How do we know the virus does not know your politics? When it's right inside you it's going to have no trouble with that kind of thing. Remainers will probably taste bitter, and Brexiteers will be fatty and sickly with the with the unmistakable taste of triumph. A good dose of Starmer could cause the virus to die of boredom, other politicians might get the poor thing to laugh itself to death!
Nothing to do with Leave or Remai issues. It was Meat Eaters in China that caused the virus pandemic. Blame the carnivores if anyone, plus the stupid Covid Deniers, anti vaxxers, alien believers and other conspiracy nutjobs.
That's the scaremongering talking. The virus doesn't normally kill, look at the stats, the survival rate for those recognised as being ill enough to be tested for Covid is massive. The virus is not nice but its not an extinction event either.
I was happy to leave politics out of it, and was keen to get the vaccine.
Then I saw Rees-Mogg's comments on tgis being a Brexot bonus, and realised this is a rushed through political football to try and make us look like we're doing well out of the EU.
I'm now a lot less sure about accepting a vaccine at the moment, and will probably wait until it gets EMA approval.
Then I saw Rees-Mogg's comments on tgis being a Brexot bonus, and realised this is a rushed through political football to try and make us look like we're doing well out of the EU.
I'm now a lot less sure about accepting a vaccine at the moment, and will probably wait until it gets EMA approval.
I await with excitement the negative comments based on the fact someone's read a few articles on the Internet so is as well qualified as any medical professional, or because they know someone who knows someone who heard about someone having a bad reaction to a vaccine once.
I'm confused. Is this the one with the microchip in it, or the one that will turn me into a monkey?
neither as that is not how vaccines work
sounds like you do not need it .... you already fall into second option
The one with the microchip in it was made by that bloke who owns Microsoft, surely; these ones are made by some pharmaceutical business. But perhaps Mr Gates owns them as well! It's great that we have unsocial media to tell us all these facts, isn't it?
Yeah the one that'll turn you a darker shade
If it brings the death and hospitalisation rates down to levels comparable with our regular (and accepted) winter respiratory diseases then that's basically all the world's governments need to lift restrictions.
Well done to the scientists who are the real heroes in society not tin pot celebrities (or certain Royals) lecturing us from a unique position of ignorance on how we should think .
Just wonderful news and a big thanks to those clever scientists to produce this vaccine in a record time. Lets all hope that 2021 is a better year for all mankind....
Shows what can be done when they get unlimited resources of course.
cast ur mind back to the zoom meeting with Hancock and Pfizer..
"So can you produce a safe and effective vaccine by xmas"
" One presumes you mean xmas 2021?"
" No this xmas will be good"
" Not a chance, the safety data will take at least 2 years"
" What if we can make you immune to anyone suing you"
"Well how about this years bonfire nite?"..
"So can you produce a safe and effective vaccine by xmas"
" One presumes you mean xmas 2021?"
" No this xmas will be good"
" Not a chance, the safety data will take at least 2 years"
" What if we can make you immune to anyone suing you"
"Well how about this years bonfire nite?"..
UK's independent regulator has tested nothing. They've simply examined the results of the limited clinical trials. 10 years of testing condensed to 10 months. No idea of any long-term ill effects. Plenty of money being exchanged all round.
Well that same Mankind has declared War on Nature which caused this pandemic in the first place.
The only hope for Mankind is to stop the War and rebuild so we live in harmony with Nature.
The only hope for Mankind is to stop the War and rebuild so we live in harmony with Nature.
Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
This is good news if the storage and handling can be done efficiently. It’s also exciting times for a new RNA vaccine; albeit project fear will now start rolling. The cheaper and traditional Oxford/Astra vaccine based on monkey flu and meningitis needs more testing on people over the age of 55 but should ultimately benefit the world.
Cryogenics is not exotic, it is standard engineering practice. Just because it isn't in use by the public does not mean it is a difficult technology.
Most labs in universities & hospitals have -80C storage, they are pretty common and not that expensive.
OK, we'll struggle to roll this vaccine where the power supplies are less available or intermittent but that's why it is being deployed here!
OK, we'll struggle to roll this vaccine where the power supplies are less available or intermittent but that's why it is being deployed here!
No, which is why the vaccine manufacturers have designed special containers to keep the temperature consistent for at least 5 days in storage. You're not the first person to think of this.
I think we've had enough of this constant miserable whining with little practical knowledge, about how things will go wrong. It's predictable, boring and a complete waste of time. If you want to try upsetting people more effectively than some already have been, play them some Leonard Cohen.......
It's done on a daily basis in the scientific community. Enzymes, antibodies, molecular biology reagents etc etc etc
Thats right, Boris is going to carry it in a cardboard box himself. Foolish comment.
Another cryogenic expert. There’s a lot about, especially in social media. Makes you wonder, with such a lot of experts, how the real ones doing real jobs earn so much. After all supply and demand should operate here.
Apply to BOC, Air Liquide, Air Products, Linde. I’m sure they’ll take advantage of your expert knowledge.
Apply to BOC, Air Liquide, Air Products, Linde. I’m sure they’ll take advantage of your expert knowledge.
Such a negative comment, be bleeding thankful, just for once in your misery pit!
CUE - ?A Turkish drug, developed in Germany, made in Belgium, financed by American pharmaceutical and to be tested on British Guinea Pigs - I’d rather die before I let them stick that cocktail in me?? Jenner will be spinning in his grave!
I'm guessing you will be prioritising areas in Tier 3 first to prove that your latest London favourability wasn't a political stance and based on the health of the nation
I'd really like to see the Oxford-developed vaccine be given approval, because it's far lower maintenance than the Pfizer vaccine, making it cheaper and easier to distribute to all countries.
However, this is great news all the same. The sooner we can start vaccinating people, the sooner we can all return to some sort normality. Hopefully there won't be any unforeseen side effects to the vaccine.
However, this is great news all the same. The sooner we can start vaccinating people, the sooner we can all return to some sort normality. Hopefully there won't be any unforeseen side effects to the vaccine.
You'll probably get your wish. Poundshop vaccine for the plebs and keep the good stuff for themselves. Don't waste the good sherry on 'em old bean!
"I'd really like to see the Oxford-developed vaccine be given approval"
Strange comment.
Surely it will get approved when it passes the tests. I doubt the people developing it are doing it to pass the time of day.
Strange comment.
Surely it will get approved when it passes the tests. I doubt the people developing it are doing it to pass the time of day.
BBC 1/12/2020: "Why you should not expect vaccine until next year"
BBC 2/12/2020: "Pfizer vaccine approved for use in UK next week."
So BBC, what is your official stance? You seem to be going with popular opinion until facts force you to do otherwise.
I remember a time I coul trust BBC news. Now its all propaganda...
BBC 2/12/2020: "Pfizer vaccine approved for use in UK next week."
So BBC, what is your official stance? You seem to be going with popular opinion until facts force you to do otherwise.
I remember a time I coul trust BBC news. Now its all propaganda...
Reading into things? That is exactly what they said so what do you expect people to read? Should they just ignore every headline? Or read it and not have an opinion? That's a ridiculous comment to make. And if nobody points it out then it will carry on that way which is a massive disservice to the license paying public. Maybe you're OK with that but you don't speak for everyone, thank god!
Newspaper is no longer used for fish and chips, and hasn't been for some years. Cryogenic freezer packed up?
Excellent news. Given so much of our lives from health, social and economic perspectives depend on getting all these restrictions lifted, the Government must be scrutinised to the hilt from all fronts throughout delivery, to make sure this rollout is done as quickly and effectively as possible; we really cannot afford any delays.
Two points.....the EU have other, more carefully considered plans which have not been rushed through in a 'world beating' fashion.
We shall see just how this is yet screwed up by the UK gov.
We shall see just how this is yet screwed up by the UK gov.
Wrong they signed for hundreds of millions of doses: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-reach-agreement-supply-eu-200-million
Fake news spreaders like yourself should be ashamed. Pathetic people trying to muddy waters for everyone in any situation just to help your own cause. (Which is normally helping rich people who don't care about you)
Fake news spreaders like yourself should be ashamed. Pathetic people trying to muddy waters for everyone in any situation just to help your own cause. (Which is normally helping rich people who don't care about you)
The EU actually ordered considerably more. They are just bring more measured in approving it by going their own research rather than just buying (literally) whatever Pfizer tell them.
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Proof that it is not just on twitter and facebook that you get people spreading fake news about the virus. Or are just one of the gullible fools who actually believes the nonsense you write?
Why do little boys like you lie so much when you known how easily you can be fact checked? The EU has purchased 300 million doess of the Pfizer Vaccine. Pzifer state the deliveries are starting in the next week or 2. Honestly how did tha pass you by? Oh wait, I know..........
You keep putting out these lies all over this HYS, so I'll keep repeating the response.
We tried to join the EU Vaccine program but cocked up.
The EU did its own deal on the Vaccine in November.
Bye
We tried to join the EU Vaccine program but cocked up.
The EU did its own deal on the Vaccine in November.
Bye
If we were in the EU we would enjoy the protection of the EMA
Wrong, very wrong The EU have the most ordered because the partner company on this vaccine is German BioNTech
It matters not what the HYS is about, you turn it into your little anti EU soapbox.
You are either a paid bot or a deeply scarred, very worried individual.
Someone who continually feels the need to justify their actions is someone who is very insecure as to whether those actions were correct.
We have left, you won, grow up and try to move on.
You are either a paid bot or a deeply scarred, very worried individual.
Someone who continually feels the need to justify their actions is someone who is very insecure as to whether those actions were correct.
We have left, you won, grow up and try to move on.
We only ordered 40 million doses (for 20 million people) and originally none of the Moderna vaccine. Most of our money has gone on the cheaper Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine which appears to be less effective.
Fact check. The EU pre-ordered 300m doses of the Pfizer vaccine & this was widely reported on November 11 including the BBC web site.
Don't Pfizer produce fertiliser? So good with bullshit.
GSK, Pfizer and other major drug companies have been fined BILLIONS OF DOLLARS for criminal activity, yet no one ever gets jailed. What say you?
No ECJ - No FOM - No CFP - No CAP - No Paying In
This person is spreading fake news. The EU ordered 200 million doses - considerably more than the UK. Look it up on Pfizer's own press releases.
This poster should be ashamed. They will make up lies to try and paint the EU as bad. But it is pure lies.
BBC, they should be banned from HYS. Opinion is one thing. Lies are unacceptable.
This person is spreading fake news. The EU ordered 200 million doses - considerably more than the UK. Look it up on Pfizer's own press releases.
This poster should be ashamed. They will make up lies to try and paint the EU as bad. But it is pure lies.
BBC, they should be banned from HYS. Opinion is one thing. Lies are unacceptable.
BioNTech look it up. The vaccine is made in Belgium.
The EU did order 300 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine. They are waiting for the EU regulator to approve it before releasing. There are of course other vaccines too in the pipeline
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/eu-orders/
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/eu-orders/
Any news on the long term effect of the vaccine?
How can you have news on long term effects until it’s been long term! Dear oh dear.
I’ll just get my crystal ball out .....
Yes. It stops you getting ill from Covid.
Meanwhile in the DM there is pic of 78 yr old man first in Wetherspoons.
Also loads of older people cramming into Debenh.
So much for doing your duty and being patient now that vaccine is on the horizon for this age group.
I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March
Making sacrifices of jobs and economy to save people's lifestyles.
They are happy risk putting strain on NHS
Also loads of older people cramming into Debenh.
So much for doing your duty and being patient now that vaccine is on the horizon for this age group.
I am younger but have not been inside a pub since March
Making sacrifices of jobs and economy to save people's lifestyles.
They are happy risk putting strain on NHS
Nor do a load of unemployed Anti-Maskers going on protests, or everyone on furlough going down the beach represent all under 40s.
Nigel Farage is 56, leader of the "Reform UK" party.
Swings and roundabouts.
Nigel Farage is 56, leader of the "Reform UK" party.
Swings and roundabouts.
No just the majority
It is welcome news of a vaccine, although only long term will we know if it is safe. For those who feel they want to be a lab rat, great get on with it. The overwhelming majority of us have no need for it. If you are old and fat, probably a good idea for you to have it. If you have it and fall it, well go to the back of the NHS waiting list. Good luck
Just remember this vaccine is still EXPERIMENTAL & those accepting it are involuntarily taking part in an unscientific Phase 3 trial. Rushing through approval doesn't prove either its safety or its effectiveness.
Talking rubbish you obviously don’t read or understand the process.
Where’s you rushing through it’s taken months to get it right.
If you're accepting it then you're not involuntarily doing anything, muppet
No, the copious amounts of data collected during 3 phases of trials are what prove it's safety and effectiveness. Data that has been reviewed by regulators. The trials themselves are also run with the strictest of safety parameters. Do you really believe a medicine would even get through those trials if there were concerns of safety or efficacy. If you do then you are living on another planet.
But my mate Darren says vaccines make you 43% more stupid and all my friends on the Internets say the same so it must be true. It's a conspiracy because governments want to inject me. Dunno why to be be honest, but I'm the victim here! Covid is not real. It comes from the land on the back of the flat earth. Up the Vaccine Liberation Front.
Presumably millions, if not billions, of people praying to their god to do something yields nothing. Scientists get stuck in, result multiple vaccines coming on stream. My conclusion is that god does not exist or, if he does, cares not one jot for us.
Fantastic news - we need all the good news we can get at the moment as we get ready for the disappointment of Brexit
Stop praising the scientists, the vaccine was all down to Donald Trump or do you not read his excessive tweets!
It must be true, it's on the internet!
As usual taking half a sentance out of contect to attack someone. What he actually saisas "wouldn't it be good if you could drink bleach and it killes the vitus". Similarly Thatchers "there is no such thing as society" carefully leaving off the first five words "there are those who say" before going on to say that society is individuals doing the best for theier families and the wider community.
Michael Gove says it’s safe so it must be, because he is now an expert on everything, and he is well informed by his good wife Sarah Vine, who is also an expert on everything. Well done Michael, our saviour! We can trust the pair of them to steer us through these troubled times, because we sure as heil cannot trust the Johnsons to get anything right! I’m having a laugh in case you didn’t notice.
An interesting fact about the Phizer and Moderna vaccines is that their trials did not screen for asymptomatic infections. Hey presto...90%+ effectiveness. By contrast the Astra-Zeneca trial regularly screened for infection and...70% effectiveness. We've not been comparing apples with apples!
I assume the practical storage difficulties of this vaccine mean that it won't get out of hospitals?
I assume the practical storage difficulties of this vaccine mean that it won't get out of hospitals?
"I assume the practical storage difficulties of this vaccine mean that it won't get out of hospitals?"
Not necessarily. It will have a practical life once defrosted. If it is delivered cold, defrosted then used, it should be possible to administer it anywhere.
Not necessarily. It will have a practical life once defrosted. If it is delivered cold, defrosted then used, it should be possible to administer it anywhere.
The briefing this morning was clear that it has a refrigerated life (-5c) of 5 days. It was further stated that the preparations included distribution to care homes. So it seems Hospitals/ Specific cryogenic establishments for distribution then out to satellites using standard, widely available, storage.
You are somewhat right but not entirely on the money. Ox/AZ are doing weekly testing, unlike the others, but the primary efficacy endpoint still only involved symptomatic cases. So while it's likely being told they are infected made patients more likely to report symptoms, the lower number isn't because they included asymptomatic cases. Not apples to apples but not quite apples to oranges either
Apparently the vaccine lasts for five days when thawed. That is plenty of time to deliver it to the community without the cold-storage infrastructure.
This was on BBC 5 live this morning.
This was on BBC 5 live this morning.
The 70% effectiveness isn’t true either. It’s an average of 62% in one arm or the study and 90% in a smaller arm which received different doses. Effectiveness isn’t usually reported like that. The arm with 90% effectiveness didn’t have anyone over 55 in it so it has to be repeated.
Well charlie, if it makes vulnerable people have it asymptomatically then it’s still a win compared to them dying from the symptoms.
Frankly given the trial sizes so far I suspect the 90% effective AZ and the 95% effective but totally impractical German vaccine are the same effectiveness. Just the German is 5x the price and cant be delivered without special equipment BUT the civil servants DO get a freee back hander and jolly from it as well as the bonus of killing off another British industry, soomething they LOVE doing