Wales change will take time - Owens
01/12/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 351
Wales need more time to adapt to head coach Wayne Pivac's attempted change in style, says hooker Ken Owens.
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CM1
01/12/2020 14:03:09 2 1
bbc
I backed Pivac from the start and still do, but I'd be lying if I said that I've questioned whether he's the right man to take us forward. Navidi has been a big loss to the way Wales want to play, as has the failings of our set piece. Get the foundations sorted and our attack can actually show us what they can do. Agree it's going to take time but hopefully we'll reap the rewards eventually
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01/12/2020 20:45:01 1 0
bbc
I’ve been surprised at how our scrum halves lost form.... 9 is by far the most influential position..... I think Tomos Williams will be 1st choice in 6 nations and he’s the spark the team needs...
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01/12/2020 14:09:48 8 2
bbc
Sorry but Tompkin's comment " I want to attack and get ball in hand and pass and play, but at the end of the day we are playing Test rugby to win." says it all. They are doing what the coaches want and rather than playing what is in front of them and using their obvious talents is being subdued. Coaches need to make sure basics are right, but they should not tell their players how to play.
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01/12/2020 14:26:22 5 1
bbc
His comment was more directed at the current state of international rugby. It's dominated by territorial kicking and teams that try and run the ball are at a disadvantage in the days of modern breakdown specialist defenders like Tom Curry.

Not saying I disagree with you though, just putting his comments into perspective.
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01/12/2020 14:40:30 2 1
bbc
I think his comments were very honest, but more aimed at the recent law changes that massively favour the defending side. You make a break these days and 9/10 chance you get isolated and turned over.
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01/12/2020 17:22:35 0 1
bbc
Rubbish !
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01/12/2020 14:12:34 0 6
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But there is no style or plan - i've heard from a sound source that what WP tells the media is one thing and what happens behind closed doors is another.

The man is out of his depth massively...
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01/12/2020 15:15:45 5 2
bbc
'Your mate Dave' isn't a sound source.
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01/12/2020 17:32:29 1 1
bbc
Agree he’s out of his depth . Not really heard biggar or the skipper plead for more time or defend Pivac at any point . Do feel players listen to those two more than the coaching team.
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01/12/2020 14:25:01 25 2
bbc
Welsh fan seem to be as fickle as Irish. They were crying out for change from 'warrenball', now they are calling for Pivac's head because he isn't delivering immediate success.
Of course they could just grind out narrow wins or narrow defeats, but where will that take them in the long run?
Wales need to develop their style of play, and they have to be prepared to lose to learn. No risk, no reward
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01/12/2020 14:43:15 8 6
bbc
I wouldn't call Welsh or Irish fickle. Just both countries picked poor successors. Gatland and Schmidt set the bar high as well. Being their greatest ever coaches.
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01/12/2020 16:48:07 1 5
bbc
I don’t recall that at all, if I’m right the other nations came up with warrenball to try and belittle gatland achievements, especially the Scots.
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02/12/2020 14:15:13 1 0
bbc
I think it's more the media that are calling for Pivac's head. Every welsh rugby fan i speak to fully understands the rebuild, and is happy to give him time.
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01/12/2020 14:09:48 8 2
bbc
Sorry but Tompkin's comment " I want to attack and get ball in hand and pass and play, but at the end of the day we are playing Test rugby to win." says it all. They are doing what the coaches want and rather than playing what is in front of them and using their obvious talents is being subdued. Coaches need to make sure basics are right, but they should not tell their players how to play.
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01/12/2020 14:26:22 5 1
bbc
His comment was more directed at the current state of international rugby. It's dominated by territorial kicking and teams that try and run the ball are at a disadvantage in the days of modern breakdown specialist defenders like Tom Curry.

Not saying I disagree with you though, just putting his comments into perspective.
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01/12/2020 14:28:23 3 1
bbc
I don't think it's a case of being fickle...it's a case of incorrect selection in the front row and not really seeing any kind of game plan.
Pivac will either have to change his approach, or change the squad of players to suit his approach.
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01/12/2020 14:36:54 3 2
bbc
My major concern isn't the players coming through as I think there's talent there, but I do worry about who the leaders are and what the core of the side will look like.
All well and good to say it's time to move on from AWJ, Owens, Foxy, Tips etc. But without a core of nailed on starters what do we build on.
Injuries obviously haven't helped.
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01/12/2020 20:35:06 0 2
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AWJ will play up to and including the Lions.... Tipuric post Lions will simply do a Michael Jones, switch from world class 7 to world class 6.....
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01/12/2020 14:39:40 8 2
bbc
Their style has already changed, and for the worse!

On a more serious note, I think Wales are missing the edge in the tight five and it's so hard to win at international level when you get physically dominated up front.
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01/12/2020 14:09:48 8 2
bbc
Sorry but Tompkin's comment " I want to attack and get ball in hand and pass and play, but at the end of the day we are playing Test rugby to win." says it all. They are doing what the coaches want and rather than playing what is in front of them and using their obvious talents is being subdued. Coaches need to make sure basics are right, but they should not tell their players how to play.
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01/12/2020 14:40:30 2 1
bbc
I think his comments were very honest, but more aimed at the recent law changes that massively favour the defending side. You make a break these days and 9/10 chance you get isolated and turned over.
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01/12/2020 14:42:33 0 3
bbc
We've got to give Wayne Pivac and his coaching team time.....and a fit squad to compete with the best international sides.

Sort out the scrum and lineout, get a fit back row, pick a 9 who can get the ball away quicker and we might start to play our expansive running game.
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01/12/2020 14:54:37 7 1
bbc
Hard to pick half backs when the platform has been poor. I'd rather they picked a young pairing and stuck with them like France have. Give T Williams & Sheedy the whole of the 6N together. At least there would be cohesion at the heart of the side.
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01/12/2020 17:27:09 1 1
bbc
Pivac didn’t give defence coach much time . And Stephen Jones had the bonus of coaching early in the World Cup . I’m normally in your camp regards time but Pivac has taken this nation backwards at a alarming rate . Six nations he’s got to win some big games well else I think his time is up .
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01/12/2020 14:25:01 25 2
bbc
Welsh fan seem to be as fickle as Irish. They were crying out for change from 'warrenball', now they are calling for Pivac's head because he isn't delivering immediate success.
Of course they could just grind out narrow wins or narrow defeats, but where will that take them in the long run?
Wales need to develop their style of play, and they have to be prepared to lose to learn. No risk, no reward
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01/12/2020 14:43:15 8 6
bbc
I wouldn't call Welsh or Irish fickle. Just both countries picked poor successors. Gatland and Schmidt set the bar high as well. Being their greatest ever coaches.
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01/12/2020 17:18:57 2 1
bbc
People forget that Gatland was one bounce of the ball away from being fired. 2011 world cup, Wales v Samoa, ball bounces exceptionally kindly for Shane Willams to score. Wales win 17-10. Without it Samoa could have kicked a penalty or a drop goal at the end (it is a maybe) and gone through, Wales out in the group stages.

Gatland was under huge pressure coming 4th 4th & 3rd in the previous 3 6ns
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01/12/2020 14:51:57 11 2
bbc
Can't deny that the set piece has been a shambles. Should they Bring in a new forwards coach as well as defence coach?

And they need to pick a core group to build the squad around. But we've too many who won't see the WC, and a bunch with too few caps. All those in their mid to late 20s seem to be constantly injured.

Gats, during his second 6N made some big calls and dropped some big names.
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02/12/2020 00:15:50 1 1
bbc
Defence was better against England Gethin Jenkins will get that right having not long finished playing and was one of the best at defence but Humphreys is not a forwards coach just look how different Scotland are since he left them it's not rocket science to see he's garbage
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01/12/2020 14:42:33 0 3
bbc
We've got to give Wayne Pivac and his coaching team time.....and a fit squad to compete with the best international sides.

Sort out the scrum and lineout, get a fit back row, pick a 9 who can get the ball away quicker and we might start to play our expansive running game.
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01/12/2020 14:54:37 7 1
bbc
Hard to pick half backs when the platform has been poor. I'd rather they picked a young pairing and stuck with them like France have. Give T Williams & Sheedy the whole of the 6N together. At least there would be cohesion at the heart of the side.
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01/12/2020 16:08:53 0 1
bbc
Totally agree flex. I'm probably going to sound crazy, but watch the 1973 Baa Baas v All Blacks and watch how quickly and far Gareth Edwards and Syd Going get that ball away from the base of the ruck/scrum. Awesome!
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01/12/2020 14:55:55 11 6
bbc
I thought Wales showed some promise against England.
Got to give WP a chance. When Navidi, Morriarty, Tipuric and TF are all fit that's a strong back row to pick from.
Get front row sorted and I will not be confident of winning at a full and rabid Cardiff next Six nations.
Real promise on the wings. Two good solid and powerful centres. Williams at 15.
You can take Eddie Jones off us as well!
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01/12/2020 15:04:07 6 2
bbc
Apart from Owens being missing the front row hasn't really changed. Same players available that we had at the WC. So it's got to come down to the coaching and interpretation of the laws at the scrum. And let's be honest, the lineout has been a complete mess!
But there's a strong selection of props there, especially with Rob Evans returning to fitness.
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01/12/2020 15:44:03 2 2
bbc
I agree with you, a back row of Navidi, Tipuric and TF are awesome. I dont think Botham was too shabby for a first out and Wainright also adds to it. Front and second row need some work but the back line with T Williams, Sheedy, any 2 of 3/4 centres and LRZ on the wing with Liam Williams at full back would be a strong team.
Still think AWJ and Biggar have a big part in settling the youngsters in.
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KW
01/12/2020 21:32:46 0 0
bbc
You've left out second row, that's where a lot of the problems are.
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01/12/2020 14:55:55 11 6
bbc
I thought Wales showed some promise against England.
Got to give WP a chance. When Navidi, Morriarty, Tipuric and TF are all fit that's a strong back row to pick from.
Get front row sorted and I will not be confident of winning at a full and rabid Cardiff next Six nations.
Real promise on the wings. Two good solid and powerful centres. Williams at 15.
You can take Eddie Jones off us as well!
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01/12/2020 15:04:07 6 2
bbc
Apart from Owens being missing the front row hasn't really changed. Same players available that we had at the WC. So it's got to come down to the coaching and interpretation of the laws at the scrum. And let's be honest, the lineout has been a complete mess!
But there's a strong selection of props there, especially with Rob Evans returning to fitness.
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02/12/2020 00:21:27 0 0
bbc
I would pick Will Griff John if you see him play for sale at tight head he more than holds his own and that's against all the English props,he was initially picked for the Scottish game now all of a sudden he's not needed well if Wales are relying on Tom Francis at tight then they are in big trouble he got battered by genge and genge is second choice he's not that good
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01/12/2020 15:13:02 4 8
bbc
Wales are the new Scotland
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01/12/2020 15:21:01 4 1
bbc
Thanks for that.
Bit early to say after one year though.
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01/12/2020 15:25:31 1 5
bbc
No, they're the new Scotland when Scotland were really, really bad.
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01/12/2020 15:26:29 0 1
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Thanks for that
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01/12/2020 15:41:47 2 1
bbc
I askedwho would come in with the first sarcastic comment not really surprised it's you mind
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01/12/2020 14:12:34 0 6
bbc
But there is no style or plan - i've heard from a sound source that what WP tells the media is one thing and what happens behind closed doors is another.

The man is out of his depth massively...
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01/12/2020 15:15:45 5 2
bbc
'Your mate Dave' isn't a sound source.
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01/12/2020 16:53:57 0 1
bbc
Your opinion to my fact doesn't equate.
By the way I don't wish Pivac or the Welsh team ill but this is how it is...
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01/12/2020 15:17:49 3 4
bbc
How long before this HYS gets invaded by the sarcastic comments I wonder? Against Italy
I would like to see a 15 of LW, LRZ, Tompkins, Jonny W, Adams Sheedy Tomos Williams or Keiran Hardy Wyn Jones Parry Francis AWJ Seb Davies Tips Navidi Wainright
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01/12/2020 15:20:24 2 4
bbc
Adams hasn't really done much of late. North playing well for Ospreys, worth bringing him back? Adams not scored in 7 games, GN never went that long without a try for Wales.
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01/12/2020 15:17:49 3 4
bbc
How long before this HYS gets invaded by the sarcastic comments I wonder? Against Italy
I would like to see a 15 of LW, LRZ, Tompkins, Jonny W, Adams Sheedy Tomos Williams or Keiran Hardy Wyn Jones Parry Francis AWJ Seb Davies Tips Navidi Wainright
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01/12/2020 15:20:24 2 4
bbc
Adams hasn't really done much of late. North playing well for Ospreys, worth bringing him back? Adams not scored in 7 games, GN never went that long without a try for Wales.
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01/12/2020 15:39:29 1 2
bbc
Adams goes looking for work GN doesn't any more Adams has had no ball this Autumn 13 tries in his first 15 games he is a proven finisher.
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01/12/2020 19:06:03 0 1
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Adams’ poor run has been against the 4 best/better 6N sides only, North’s try record has involved scoring against tier 2 nations too and Italy.

That’s not to say North only scored against lower ranked.
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01/12/2020 20:50:53 0 0
bbc
Choo Choo.

That's the sound of the Lane Train.
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01/12/2020 15:13:02 4 8
bbc
Wales are the new Scotland
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01/12/2020 15:21:01 4 1
bbc
Thanks for that.
Bit early to say after one year though.
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-_-
01/12/2020 15:25:23 0 2
bbc
Well done BBC for getting the correct position for Owens unlike the article about Barbeary.
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01/12/2020 15:32:35 0 1
bbc
Most of the media outlets announced Barbeary as a hooker, probably because the Wasps own wesite does.
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01/12/2020 15:13:02 4 8
bbc
Wales are the new Scotland
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01/12/2020 15:25:31 1 5
bbc
No, they're the new Scotland when Scotland were really, really bad.
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01/12/2020 15:29:57 2 2
bbc
How constructive.
Guess schools out then?
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01/12/2020 15:13:02 4 8
bbc
Wales are the new Scotland
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01/12/2020 15:26:29 0 1
bbc
Thanks for that
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01/12/2020 15:25:31 1 5
bbc
No, they're the new Scotland when Scotland were really, really bad.
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01/12/2020 15:29:57 2 2
bbc
How constructive.
Guess schools out then?
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-_-
01/12/2020 15:25:23 0 2
bbc
Well done BBC for getting the correct position for Owens unlike the article about Barbeary.
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01/12/2020 15:32:35 0 1
bbc
Most of the media outlets announced Barbeary as a hooker, probably because the Wasps own wesite does.
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-_-
01/12/2020 15:40:07 0 1
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Shows how much these "journalists" actually watch the games.
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01/12/2020 15:33:39 15 1
bbc
Great respect for ken Owens , and understand why he would say it but it’s complete rubbish to suggest Elias and others have done well in his absence . No one has put pressure on his position and none look good enough at international level . Gotta be a worry as ken not getting younger .
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01/12/2020 15:38:33 2 2
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Elias and Dee were both good off the bench when covering Owens. Both been very strong defensively and showed up well around the park. But the lineout has massively misfired, have they become bad players overnight or is it a coaching a systemic issue? There were a whole host of issues with the lineout, the throwing was just one.
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01/12/2020 15:36:08 16 5
bbc
Wales need to give the guy a chance. He's trying to transition a team from steamroller to sports car and that won't happen overnight. He's also swimming against the tide of zero-risk international rugby which is boring everyone to tears.

If he can learn to lose with a bit of grace I'm sure he'll do just fine...but it needs a couple of seasons for new players and new tactics to gel!
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01/12/2020 15:48:54 5 3
bbc
100% agree with you.
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01/12/2020 16:27:33 0 2
bbc
Tough for anyone to employ an expansive attacking game plan under the new laws. Add to that a misfiring set piece and the backs really can't be blamed for once. They've really improved defensively but had no platform to attack off of.
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01/12/2020 16:32:31 3 2
bbc
Pivac has had effectively two seasons already one to prepare for the handover under Gatlands last Season in caharge and this years 6N's which given current circumstances has been bloody awful in terms of game time from grass roots to the top. A fair objective would be to give him to the end of the 6N 2022 to sort his game plan and selection strategy or cut loose after 6N 2021 if no better
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01/12/2020 15:33:39 15 1
bbc
Great respect for ken Owens , and understand why he would say it but it’s complete rubbish to suggest Elias and others have done well in his absence . No one has put pressure on his position and none look good enough at international level . Gotta be a worry as ken not getting younger .
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01/12/2020 15:38:33 2 2
bbc
Elias and Dee were both good off the bench when covering Owens. Both been very strong defensively and showed up well around the park. But the lineout has massively misfired, have they become bad players overnight or is it a coaching a systemic issue? There were a whole host of issues with the lineout, the throwing was just one.
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01/12/2020 15:55:10 0 1
bbc
Parry has a 100% success rate at the line out, so it is 73% Elias at fault.
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01/12/2020 15:20:24 2 4
bbc
Adams hasn't really done much of late. North playing well for Ospreys, worth bringing him back? Adams not scored in 7 games, GN never went that long without a try for Wales.
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01/12/2020 15:39:29 1 2
bbc
Adams goes looking for work GN doesn't any more Adams has had no ball this Autumn 13 tries in his first 15 games he is a proven finisher.
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01/12/2020 15:32:35 0 1
bbc
Most of the media outlets announced Barbeary as a hooker, probably because the Wasps own wesite does.
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01/12/2020 15:40:07 0 1
bbc
Shows how much these "journalists" actually watch the games.
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01/12/2020 16:00:33 0 1
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Eddie has also said he is in the side as a hooker, despite playing in the Premiership as a 6/7.
“For us, he’s a hooker,” said Jones.
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01/12/2020 15:13:02 4 8
bbc
Wales are the new Scotland
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01/12/2020 15:41:47 2 1
bbc
I askedwho would come in with the first sarcastic comment not really surprised it's you mind
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:37:38 1 1
bbc
Obviously, he's feeling the effects of my late tackle on him when he played for Bassaleg School in WALES. It's clearly making him talk through his hat!
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01/12/2020 14:55:55 11 6
bbc
I thought Wales showed some promise against England.
Got to give WP a chance. When Navidi, Morriarty, Tipuric and TF are all fit that's a strong back row to pick from.
Get front row sorted and I will not be confident of winning at a full and rabid Cardiff next Six nations.
Real promise on the wings. Two good solid and powerful centres. Williams at 15.
You can take Eddie Jones off us as well!
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01/12/2020 15:44:03 2 2
bbc
I agree with you, a back row of Navidi, Tipuric and TF are awesome. I dont think Botham was too shabby for a first out and Wainright also adds to it. Front and second row need some work but the back line with T Williams, Sheedy, any 2 of 3/4 centres and LRZ on the wing with Liam Williams at full back would be a strong team.
Still think AWJ and Biggar have a big part in settling the youngsters in.
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01/12/2020 16:47:14 1 2
bbc
Only issue there is Navidi 29, Faletau 30, Tips 31. And Navs is always carrying a knock.
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01/12/2020 15:36:08 16 5
bbc
Wales need to give the guy a chance. He's trying to transition a team from steamroller to sports car and that won't happen overnight. He's also swimming against the tide of zero-risk international rugby which is boring everyone to tears.

If he can learn to lose with a bit of grace I'm sure he'll do just fine...but it needs a couple of seasons for new players and new tactics to gel!
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01/12/2020 15:48:54 5 3
bbc
100% agree with you.
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01/12/2020 15:38:33 2 2
bbc
Elias and Dee were both good off the bench when covering Owens. Both been very strong defensively and showed up well around the park. But the lineout has massively misfired, have they become bad players overnight or is it a coaching a systemic issue? There were a whole host of issues with the lineout, the throwing was just one.
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01/12/2020 15:55:10 0 1
bbc
Parry has a 100% success rate at the line out, so it is 73% Elias at fault.
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01/12/2020 16:28:55 2 2
bbc
Parry only played about 20 minutes in total so can't read too much into it. But I like the look of Parry, deserves a run against Italy imo
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01/12/2020 15:59:03 6 2
bbc
Pivac has also come in at quite a bad time with a bunch of Wales' best players coming towards the end of their careers. Could another coach have got better performances out of them this year? Most likely, however at the same time doing that might just be delaying the inevitable pain.

He should get minimum until the next autumn unless the 6N is an absolute massacre.
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01/12/2020 16:03:41 5 2
bbc
Indeed, still a lot of same players as won 6N last year. The coach sometimes gets too much credit and conversely too much blame.
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01/12/2020 16:32:50 0 1
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I don't know if Gatland is to blame or whether we just haven't produced the players. The squad seems to consist of promising youngsters and veterans in decline. I'm pushed to think of a Welsh international player who's at the peak of his career now.
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01/12/2020 15:40:07 0 1
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Shows how much these "journalists" actually watch the games.
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01/12/2020 16:00:33 0 1
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Eddie has also said he is in the side as a hooker, despite playing in the Premiership as a 6/7.
“For us, he’s a hooker,” said Jones.
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01/12/2020 16:31:38 1 1
bbc
Didn't see that, thanks, I stand corrected.

Anyway, good luck Wales against Italy, I'm sure in no time you will turn your fortunes around and will be beating us once more.
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01/12/2020 15:59:03 6 2
bbc
Pivac has also come in at quite a bad time with a bunch of Wales' best players coming towards the end of their careers. Could another coach have got better performances out of them this year? Most likely, however at the same time doing that might just be delaying the inevitable pain.

He should get minimum until the next autumn unless the 6N is an absolute massacre.
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01/12/2020 16:03:41 5 2
bbc
Indeed, still a lot of same players as won 6N last year. The coach sometimes gets too much credit and conversely too much blame.
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01/12/2020 16:40:28 1 3
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Liverpool won the title last year in spectacular style.

Not so dominant now just the very next season.

An injury to just one key player can create havoc.

A year is a long time and what twit selects on past form anyway?
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01/12/2020 14:54:37 7 1
bbc
Hard to pick half backs when the platform has been poor. I'd rather they picked a young pairing and stuck with them like France have. Give T Williams & Sheedy the whole of the 6N together. At least there would be cohesion at the heart of the side.
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01/12/2020 16:08:53 0 1
bbc
Totally agree flex. I'm probably going to sound crazy, but watch the 1973 Baa Baas v All Blacks and watch how quickly and far Gareth Edwards and Syd Going get that ball away from the base of the ruck/scrum. Awesome!
Pivac is doing a grand job, give him a contract extension...
Guaranteed 5th place in the 2021/2/3 Six Nations...
I love it when Wales struggle and are a completes shambles.
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01/12/2020 16:17:11 6 2
bbc
Are you any relation to Wales Grand Slam 2019? You are nearly as daft as him. As an England fan would ask that if you really must troll, you stick to this trolling on an England HYS? Thanks
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01/12/2020 16:29:22 1 1
bbc
Yep...in ain't smart and it ain't clever. You do however look and sound very like a notorious Welsh troll which makes me suspect you're false-flagging, allowing you to emerge later to express outrage,

Yadda yadda yadda!
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01/12/2020 16:11:03 2 1
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We really are missing Ken Owen and Navidi. We still need to find an Adam Jones figure to shore up the scrum. The lineout was shaky under Gatland, need to find a specialist coach there.
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01/12/2020 16:40:02 0 1
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I thought Tomas Francis was the new Adam Jones.
Pivac is doing a grand job, give him a contract extension...
Guaranteed 5th place in the 2021/2/3 Six Nations...
I love it when Wales struggle and are a completes shambles.
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01/12/2020 16:17:11 6 2
bbc
Are you any relation to Wales Grand Slam 2019? You are nearly as daft as him. As an England fan would ask that if you really must troll, you stick to this trolling on an England HYS? Thanks
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01/12/2020 16:36:05 0 1
bbc
Might be the first time I've upvoted one of your posts.
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01/12/2020 17:11:55 1 3
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Ha, ha!
Pot, kettle...?
You, Steve D and bigbaddog are the worst offenders!
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01/12/2020 16:25:17 7 4
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Pivac should be given a long term contract. Let's be honest if he was coaching England they would still be winning every week. It's the players that are letting their country down and turning the Welsh into a tier 4 nation.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:30:05 5 3
bbc
Wasn't long before the idi*ts arrived. School's have just finished.
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01/12/2020 16:35:12 4 2
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Majority of that squad won the GS last year, and were 3 points off beating the eventual World Champions.
So it clearly isn't the players fault entirely.
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01/12/2020 15:36:08 16 5
bbc
Wales need to give the guy a chance. He's trying to transition a team from steamroller to sports car and that won't happen overnight. He's also swimming against the tide of zero-risk international rugby which is boring everyone to tears.

If he can learn to lose with a bit of grace I'm sure he'll do just fine...but it needs a couple of seasons for new players and new tactics to gel!
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01/12/2020 16:27:33 0 2
bbc
Tough for anyone to employ an expansive attacking game plan under the new laws. Add to that a misfiring set piece and the backs really can't be blamed for once. They've really improved defensively but had no platform to attack off of.
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01/12/2020 16:27:47 1 2
bbc
It's a good point re the Scarlets style when they were successful. Sme say that that success wasn't a result of brilliant coaching, it came about because they had a clutch of players - Beirne, Barclay, Davies - who were brilliant at the breakdown and they scored a lot of tries from turnovers. Its far harder to do that at international level.
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01/12/2020 16:47:35 1 1
bbc
Sadly you're right. Wales won the 6N in 2019 with the lowest number of tries scored by any team. The RWC for most teams was lively enough in terms of fast, open play but everything since then has been zero-risk percentage rugby.

Pivac may well be swimming against the tide but I hope he succeeds because the alternative isn't pretty.

Hopefully France can break the torpor...but not this weekend!
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01/12/2020 15:55:10 0 1
bbc
Parry has a 100% success rate at the line out, so it is 73% Elias at fault.
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01/12/2020 16:28:55 2 2
bbc
Parry only played about 20 minutes in total so can't read too much into it. But I like the look of Parry, deserves a run against Italy imo
Pivac is doing a grand job, give him a contract extension...
Guaranteed 5th place in the 2021/2/3 Six Nations...
I love it when Wales struggle and are a completes shambles.
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01/12/2020 16:29:22 1 1
bbc
Yep...in ain't smart and it ain't clever. You do however look and sound very like a notorious Welsh troll which makes me suspect you're false-flagging, allowing you to emerge later to express outrage,

Yadda yadda yadda!
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01/12/2020 16:25:17 7 4
bbc
Pivac should be given a long term contract. Let's be honest if he was coaching England they would still be winning every week. It's the players that are letting their country down and turning the Welsh into a tier 4 nation.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:30:05 5 3
bbc
Wasn't long before the idi*ts arrived. School's have just finished.
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01/12/2020 19:53:44 2 1
bbc
Yes l was on this hys quite early today and asked how soon the clan would arrive Sir Stewart Barnes arrived shortly after, before Bigbaddog which amazed me actually they are here in force now!!
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01/12/2020 16:00:33 0 1
bbc
Eddie has also said he is in the side as a hooker, despite playing in the Premiership as a 6/7.
“For us, he’s a hooker,” said Jones.
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-_-
01/12/2020 16:31:38 1 1
bbc
Didn't see that, thanks, I stand corrected.

Anyway, good luck Wales against Italy, I'm sure in no time you will turn your fortunes around and will be beating us once more.
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01/12/2020 15:36:08 16 5
bbc
Wales need to give the guy a chance. He's trying to transition a team from steamroller to sports car and that won't happen overnight. He's also swimming against the tide of zero-risk international rugby which is boring everyone to tears.

If he can learn to lose with a bit of grace I'm sure he'll do just fine...but it needs a couple of seasons for new players and new tactics to gel!
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01/12/2020 16:32:31 3 2
bbc
Pivac has had effectively two seasons already one to prepare for the handover under Gatlands last Season in caharge and this years 6N's which given current circumstances has been bloody awful in terms of game time from grass roots to the top. A fair objective would be to give him to the end of the 6N 2022 to sort his game plan and selection strategy or cut loose after 6N 2021 if no better
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02/12/2020 13:18:05 0 0
bbc
He's got to the end of 2021, when his contract gets reviewed. I'd say too long. I don't want another year where we just beat Italy,
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01/12/2020 15:59:03 6 2
bbc
Pivac has also come in at quite a bad time with a bunch of Wales' best players coming towards the end of their careers. Could another coach have got better performances out of them this year? Most likely, however at the same time doing that might just be delaying the inevitable pain.

He should get minimum until the next autumn unless the 6N is an absolute massacre.
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01/12/2020 16:32:50 0 1
bbc
I don't know if Gatland is to blame or whether we just haven't produced the players. The squad seems to consist of promising youngsters and veterans in decline. I'm pushed to think of a Welsh international player who's at the peak of his career now.
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01/12/2020 16:56:05 1 1
bbc
For me International peak is between 26 & 30 years old with 20+ caps. There are a few in that category but not that many. IMO we have too many over the 30’s mark.
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01/12/2020 16:33:25 3 3
bbc
Owens being a bit one eyed here, all 3 hookers have played well when they’ve played???

Attitudes and ignorance like this helps no one.

Pivac’s philosophy is about 3 seasons too late, running rugby is suicidal at international currently, even if he could get it right.

Pivac out now, he’ll be gone at the end of the 6N anyway when there is a contract review.
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01/12/2020 20:11:07 1 3
bbc
Nothing like supporting your own coach, just what he needs right now.
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02/12/2020 05:09:12 0 0
bbc
So Owens is going to say the other hookers in the Wales squad are rubbish is he, are you for real? Its called supporting your countrymen.
I really think you are better suited to soccer pal
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01/12/2020 16:34:57 18 3
bbc
Not sure why we're trying to change the style! A tiny nation made the semi finals of the biggest global competition and at one point was ranked World No 1, (however flattering that was at the time).
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01/12/2020 16:41:57 1 8
bbc
To be fair, they were beaten in that semi-final by an equally small nation!

It was nonetheless a fantastic performance and Wales' best outside the 6N.
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01/12/2020 17:18:44 0 1
bbc
Exactly
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01/12/2020 16:25:17 7 4
bbc
Pivac should be given a long term contract. Let's be honest if he was coaching England they would still be winning every week. It's the players that are letting their country down and turning the Welsh into a tier 4 nation.
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01/12/2020 16:35:12 4 2
bbc
Majority of that squad won the GS last year, and were 3 points off beating the eventual World Champions.
So it clearly isn't the players fault entirely.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:40:33 4 4
bbc
Wales only lost to England by 3 in March and an injury depleted Wales lost on Saturday helped by Poite. The gap is not that big.
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01/12/2020 16:17:11 6 2
bbc
Are you any relation to Wales Grand Slam 2019? You are nearly as daft as him. As an England fan would ask that if you really must troll, you stick to this trolling on an England HYS? Thanks
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01/12/2020 16:36:05 0 1
bbc
Might be the first time I've upvoted one of your posts.
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01/12/2020 16:54:55 0 1
bbc
To be honest not bothered about up or down votes or who does it.
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01/12/2020 15:41:47 2 1
bbc
I askedwho would come in with the first sarcastic comment not really surprised it's you mind
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:37:38 1 1
bbc
Obviously, he's feeling the effects of my late tackle on him when he played for Bassaleg School in WALES. It's clearly making him talk through his hat!
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01/12/2020 17:05:28 0 1
bbc
I don't think it was me as I never played 3rd team level
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01/12/2020 20:06:33 0 1
bbc
Don't you mean the end that rarely sees the sun lol
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01/12/2020 16:39:14 3 2
bbc
With the greatest possible respect to a great player, it is now surely time that AWJ stepped back? He won't be at the next RWC and has captained Wales to 6N 5th place when at least new players could be blooded.

I fear that he is hanging on to be crowned as Lions captain by Warren Gatland but he's simply not the player he was. The old guard is becoming the "very old guard!' It's not helping Wales
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:44:33 3 3
bbc
I agree. Too many around 30 mark and more: AWJ, Tips, JD, Biggar, Webb, Owens, Faletau...All been great players, but new blood needed for future.
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01/12/2020 16:47:21 2 1
bbc
I don't see why players have to retire from international sport. AWJ doesn't select the team. Have I said this already - our squad seems to consist of promising youngsters and veterans in decline. I'm pushed to think of many who are at the peak of their careers. I don't know if that's Gatland's fault or if the players just haven't come through.
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01/12/2020 16:49:07 2 5
bbc
He is making the transition from player to referee whilst still on the pitch as far as I can tell.
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01/12/2020 16:53:19 3 1
bbc
My issue there is they've not settled on another SR to partner him yet, let alone replace him. Once they have another nailed on starter they can look for a long term successor.
AWJ is still always up there in the tackle stats and has 80 minutes in the tank.
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01/12/2020 17:05:31 3 1
bbc
A lot of the England team are the same ages except for AWJ.... Youngs, Billy, Mako, George etc are around the dreaded 30...

AWJ is a freak of nature and it’s for a younger lock to step up, AWJ has set the bar high, only Botham made more tackles v England so for an old geezer he’s still earning his keep
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01/12/2020 16:11:03 2 1
bbc
We really are missing Ken Owen and Navidi. We still need to find an Adam Jones figure to shore up the scrum. The lineout was shaky under Gatland, need to find a specialist coach there.
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01/12/2020 16:40:02 0 1
bbc
I thought Tomas Francis was the new Adam Jones.
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01/12/2020 20:29:45 0 0
bbc
That was over 5 years ago.... time flies
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01/12/2020 16:03:41 5 2
bbc
Indeed, still a lot of same players as won 6N last year. The coach sometimes gets too much credit and conversely too much blame.
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01/12/2020 16:40:28 1 3
bbc
Liverpool won the title last year in spectacular style.

Not so dominant now just the very next season.

An injury to just one key player can create havoc.

A year is a long time and what twit selects on past form anyway?
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01/12/2020 16:49:39 0 2
bbc
Um - what form do you select on then?
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01/12/2020 16:35:12 4 2
bbc
Majority of that squad won the GS last year, and were 3 points off beating the eventual World Champions.
So it clearly isn't the players fault entirely.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:40:33 4 4
bbc
Wales only lost to England by 3 in March and an injury depleted Wales lost on Saturday helped by Poite. The gap is not that big.
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01/12/2020 16:48:03 4 5
bbc
What is the obsession about results vs England. England were leading by 17 before they had 2 men correctly binned in March. On Saturday, he Welsh try was a charge down against the run of play and the penalties soft errors from England- they could have been nilled. Wales have been losing to everyone bar Italy and Georgia, not just England. The gap is massive.
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01/12/2020 16:52:30 4 5
bbc
Come off it!
England had the game won early in the second half in the 6N.
The final result flattered Wales, they were battered.

And on Saturday England didn’t need to get out of trading mode.
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01/12/2020 16:58:50 4 1
bbc
Deluded
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01/12/2020 16:34:57 18 3
bbc
Not sure why we're trying to change the style! A tiny nation made the semi finals of the biggest global competition and at one point was ranked World No 1, (however flattering that was at the time).
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01/12/2020 16:41:57 1 8
bbc
To be fair, they were beaten in that semi-final by an equally small nation!

It was nonetheless a fantastic performance and Wales' best outside the 6N.
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01/12/2020 16:49:36 6 2
bbc
South Africa small nation?
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01/12/2020 17:06:42 5 5
bbc
And the ‘equally small’ nation ripped the wheels of the chariot in the final......
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jNe
01/12/2020 17:20:55 2 1
bbc
If by equally small you mean South Africa has 21 times the population, 59 times the geographical area and 13 times the registered players.

That being said New Zealand, the most consistently excellent team in the world, doesn't have much of a difference with Wales in terms of population and only has less than three times the registered
player base.
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01/12/2020 18:51:09 2 1
bbc
South Africa a small nation, l don't think so!!
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01/12/2020 20:08:40 2 1
bbc
I can only imagine that you either are unaware of who Wales played or that you have no idea how big and populous South Africa is. Either way, probably enough commenting on rugby articles for today mate.
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01/12/2020 21:48:18 0 3
bbc
Size of nation and rugby is no real correlation. The history or our sport shows the smaller the nation the better chances you have of success. So Wales are under performing. Not to worry we can give you some more English qualified players if it helps you.
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01/12/2020 16:43:31 5 2
bbc
Some positives, defence has improved over last couple of games.
Can't attack without a platform, so can't judge the backs or the supposed 'new style' until they sort the set piece.
Was happy with the appointment of Humphries but he's making a right hash of it so far.
Bring in Adam Jones as a scrum specialist, and get someone in to sort the lineout.
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01/12/2020 16:45:54 5 1
bbc
Can't say I ever rated Humphries as a player or coach. Adam Jones be much better if the WRU can get him.
Welsh backs have promise, Adams and Rees-Zammit real gas.
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01/12/2020 16:46:07 2 1
bbc
Snap
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01/12/2020 16:56:07 3 2
bbc
Hey flex yes agreed mate, just hoping the young front rows start performing! Definitely miss Rob Evan's class act when fit! I think over the past few years we seemed to struggle in patches at scrum time and if I'm honest I think Wales have got a week scrummage reputation which unfortunately precedes us into matches and referees like poite on weekend tend to give 50/50s against us because of that!
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01/12/2020 16:39:14 3 2
bbc
With the greatest possible respect to a great player, it is now surely time that AWJ stepped back? He won't be at the next RWC and has captained Wales to 6N 5th place when at least new players could be blooded.

I fear that he is hanging on to be crowned as Lions captain by Warren Gatland but he's simply not the player he was. The old guard is becoming the "very old guard!' It's not helping Wales
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:44:33 3 3
bbc
I agree. Too many around 30 mark and more: AWJ, Tips, JD, Biggar, Webb, Owens, Faletau...All been great players, but new blood needed for future.
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01/12/2020 17:00:58 1 1
bbc
My problem with that is that there doesn't seem to be any proven leaders ready to fill the void. Plenty of quality but they need experience around them
It seems that all the lads in their late 20s, who should be filling the void, are the ones constantly on the treatment table. Navs, Moriarty, Rob Evans, Elis Jenkins, Sanjay! All had a few knocks.
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01/12/2020 16:44:52 15 1
bbc
Dont care which or what style Pivac wants, the initial problem is the basics. Scrum and lineout. Sort these out then you have a platform. A good lineout means you can challenge the opponents lineout. Then booting out of hand for touch means they begin from a standing start and spoiling their lineout puts pressure on them.
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01/12/2020 16:43:31 5 2
bbc
Some positives, defence has improved over last couple of games.
Can't attack without a platform, so can't judge the backs or the supposed 'new style' until they sort the set piece.
Was happy with the appointment of Humphries but he's making a right hash of it so far.
Bring in Adam Jones as a scrum specialist, and get someone in to sort the lineout.
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01/12/2020 16:45:54 5 1
bbc
Can't say I ever rated Humphries as a player or coach. Adam Jones be much better if the WRU can get him.
Welsh backs have promise, Adams and Rees-Zammit real gas.
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01/12/2020 16:46:02 0 3
bbc
Pivac needs to learn from likes of Gregor Townsend, Scotland 3 year ago we’re going to show the world how to play but that plan did not matey. Is it any coincidence that the Scots have improved since they have abandoned that plan and now play defensive rugby a la Wales under Garland.
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01/12/2020 17:47:22 1 1
bbc
And plenty of Scots screaming for Townsend’s head.
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01/12/2020 16:43:31 5 2
bbc
Some positives, defence has improved over last couple of games.
Can't attack without a platform, so can't judge the backs or the supposed 'new style' until they sort the set piece.
Was happy with the appointment of Humphries but he's making a right hash of it so far.
Bring in Adam Jones as a scrum specialist, and get someone in to sort the lineout.
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01/12/2020 16:46:07 2 1
bbc
Snap
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01/12/2020 15:44:03 2 2
bbc
I agree with you, a back row of Navidi, Tipuric and TF are awesome. I dont think Botham was too shabby for a first out and Wainright also adds to it. Front and second row need some work but the back line with T Williams, Sheedy, any 2 of 3/4 centres and LRZ on the wing with Liam Williams at full back would be a strong team.
Still think AWJ and Biggar have a big part in settling the youngsters in.
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01/12/2020 16:47:14 1 2
bbc
Only issue there is Navidi 29, Faletau 30, Tips 31. And Navs is always carrying a knock.
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01/12/2020 16:57:13 1 2
bbc
But, as with AWJ they are players who shouldn't just be discarded. They have "been there and done it" and will help be the younger ones in.
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02/12/2020 13:16:37 0 0
bbc
So next World Cup that's 32, 33, 34. Not the oldest players to ever play.
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01/12/2020 16:39:14 3 2
bbc
With the greatest possible respect to a great player, it is now surely time that AWJ stepped back? He won't be at the next RWC and has captained Wales to 6N 5th place when at least new players could be blooded.

I fear that he is hanging on to be crowned as Lions captain by Warren Gatland but he's simply not the player he was. The old guard is becoming the "very old guard!' It's not helping Wales
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01/12/2020 16:47:21 2 1
bbc
I don't see why players have to retire from international sport. AWJ doesn't select the team. Have I said this already - our squad seems to consist of promising youngsters and veterans in decline. I'm pushed to think of many who are at the peak of their careers. I don't know if that's Gatland's fault or if the players just haven't come through.
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01/12/2020 16:27:47 1 2
bbc
It's a good point re the Scarlets style when they were successful. Sme say that that success wasn't a result of brilliant coaching, it came about because they had a clutch of players - Beirne, Barclay, Davies - who were brilliant at the breakdown and they scored a lot of tries from turnovers. Its far harder to do that at international level.
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01/12/2020 16:47:35 1 1
bbc
Sadly you're right. Wales won the 6N in 2019 with the lowest number of tries scored by any team. The RWC for most teams was lively enough in terms of fast, open play but everything since then has been zero-risk percentage rugby.

Pivac may well be swimming against the tide but I hope he succeeds because the alternative isn't pretty.

Hopefully France can break the torpor...but not this weekend!
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:40:33 4 4
bbc
Wales only lost to England by 3 in March and an injury depleted Wales lost on Saturday helped by Poite. The gap is not that big.
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01/12/2020 16:48:03 4 5
bbc
What is the obsession about results vs England. England were leading by 17 before they had 2 men correctly binned in March. On Saturday, he Welsh try was a charge down against the run of play and the penalties soft errors from England- they could have been nilled. Wales have been losing to everyone bar Italy and Georgia, not just England. The gap is massive.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:59:56 3 4
bbc
What's your obsession with Wales? You need medical treatment.
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01/12/2020 17:09:33 3 2
bbc
Think the obsession is yours. You were comparing the two sides in your original post lol.
This excitement you have seeing Wales in a bit of bother shows you are the one who's obsessed.
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01/12/2020 14:25:01 25 2
bbc
Welsh fan seem to be as fickle as Irish. They were crying out for change from 'warrenball', now they are calling for Pivac's head because he isn't delivering immediate success.
Of course they could just grind out narrow wins or narrow defeats, but where will that take them in the long run?
Wales need to develop their style of play, and they have to be prepared to lose to learn. No risk, no reward
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01/12/2020 16:48:07 1 5
bbc
I don’t recall that at all, if I’m right the other nations came up with warrenball to try and belittle gatland achievements, especially the Scots.
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01/12/2020 16:39:14 3 2
bbc
With the greatest possible respect to a great player, it is now surely time that AWJ stepped back? He won't be at the next RWC and has captained Wales to 6N 5th place when at least new players could be blooded.

I fear that he is hanging on to be crowned as Lions captain by Warren Gatland but he's simply not the player he was. The old guard is becoming the "very old guard!' It's not helping Wales
72
01/12/2020 16:49:07 2 5
bbc
He is making the transition from player to referee whilst still on the pitch as far as I can tell.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:55:20 5 1
bbc
All captains consult with the referee, even Owen Farrell...it's part of the job. Shows how much you know about the game.
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01/12/2020 19:43:58 2 1
bbc
Is your name really Like you certainly fit the "stupid boy" tag
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01/12/2020 19:44:49 2 1
bbc
I meant Pike of course
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01/12/2020 16:41:57 1 8
bbc
To be fair, they were beaten in that semi-final by an equally small nation!

It was nonetheless a fantastic performance and Wales' best outside the 6N.
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01/12/2020 16:49:36 6 2
bbc
South Africa small nation?
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01/12/2020 17:51:54 1 1
bbc
Bigger than England
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01/12/2020 16:40:28 1 3
bbc
Liverpool won the title last year in spectacular style.

Not so dominant now just the very next season.

An injury to just one key player can create havoc.

A year is a long time and what twit selects on past form anyway?
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01/12/2020 16:49:39 0 2
bbc
Um - what form do you select on then?
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01/12/2020 16:55:34 2 1
bbc
Current mate, why the heck was JD playing for the majority of Pivac’s games for eg?

Great reputation but only one leg nowadays.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:40:33 4 4
bbc
Wales only lost to England by 3 in March and an injury depleted Wales lost on Saturday helped by Poite. The gap is not that big.
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01/12/2020 16:52:30 4 5
bbc
Come off it!
England had the game won early in the second half in the 6N.
The final result flattered Wales, they were battered.

And on Saturday England didn’t need to get out of trading mode.
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01/12/2020 16:53:16 0 1
bbc
*training
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01/12/2020 16:52:30 4 5
bbc
Come off it!
England had the game won early in the second half in the 6N.
The final result flattered Wales, they were battered.

And on Saturday England didn’t need to get out of trading mode.
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01/12/2020 16:53:16 0 1
bbc
*training
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01/12/2020 16:39:14 3 2
bbc
With the greatest possible respect to a great player, it is now surely time that AWJ stepped back? He won't be at the next RWC and has captained Wales to 6N 5th place when at least new players could be blooded.

I fear that he is hanging on to be crowned as Lions captain by Warren Gatland but he's simply not the player he was. The old guard is becoming the "very old guard!' It's not helping Wales
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01/12/2020 16:53:19 3 1
bbc
My issue there is they've not settled on another SR to partner him yet, let alone replace him. Once they have another nailed on starter they can look for a long term successor.
AWJ is still always up there in the tackle stats and has 80 minutes in the tank.
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01/12/2020 17:25:36 1 1
bbc
Beard hopefully, starting to play well again
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01/12/2020 15:15:45 5 2
bbc
'Your mate Dave' isn't a sound source.
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01/12/2020 16:53:57 0 1
bbc
Your opinion to my fact doesn't equate.
By the way I don't wish Pivac or the Welsh team ill but this is how it is...
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01/12/2020 20:45:40 0 0
bbc
Anyone can have facts online.

I heard from a sound source that Eddie Jones is just a puppet controlled by Stuart Lancaster.
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01/12/2020 16:36:05 0 1
bbc
Might be the first time I've upvoted one of your posts.
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01/12/2020 16:54:55 0 1
bbc
To be honest not bothered about up or down votes or who does it.
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01/12/2020 16:55:07 10 11
bbc
This is the best time to watch rugby. Loving seeing the Welsh in disarray. Long May it continue
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01/12/2020 16:58:45 10 3
bbc
Disarray don’t think so unless we start losing to likes of Georgia & Italy.
I’ll take that as a compliment as how decent we have been over last few years if yiu think losing a few games is disarray.thanks
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01/12/2020 17:05:45 2 3
bbc
Very mature.
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01/12/2020 17:25:10 3 1
bbc
You haven't seen disarray unless you were around in the 90s.
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01/12/2020 16:49:07 2 5
bbc
He is making the transition from player to referee whilst still on the pitch as far as I can tell.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:55:20 5 1
bbc
All captains consult with the referee, even Owen Farrell...it's part of the job. Shows how much you know about the game.
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01/12/2020 18:20:52 0 3
bbc
Not on every decision they don't. Farrell is pretty bad I must admit he wouldn't be my captain.
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01/12/2020 16:49:39 0 2
bbc
Um - what form do you select on then?
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01/12/2020 16:55:34 2 1
bbc
Current mate, why the heck was JD playing for the majority of Pivac’s games for eg?

Great reputation but only one leg nowadays.
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01/12/2020 16:32:50 0 1
bbc
I don't know if Gatland is to blame or whether we just haven't produced the players. The squad seems to consist of promising youngsters and veterans in decline. I'm pushed to think of a Welsh international player who's at the peak of his career now.
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01/12/2020 16:56:05 1 1
bbc
For me International peak is between 26 & 30 years old with 20+ caps. There are a few in that category but not that many. IMO we have too many over the 30’s mark.
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01/12/2020 17:18:30 2 1
bbc
AWJ had his best international season aged 34, Shane Williams aged 32, Bryan Habana into his 30’s
etc etc etc.

George North just 28 and possibly finished at test level.
Age not always a factor.
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01/12/2020 16:43:31 5 2
bbc
Some positives, defence has improved over last couple of games.
Can't attack without a platform, so can't judge the backs or the supposed 'new style' until they sort the set piece.
Was happy with the appointment of Humphries but he's making a right hash of it so far.
Bring in Adam Jones as a scrum specialist, and get someone in to sort the lineout.
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01/12/2020 16:56:07 3 2
bbc
Hey flex yes agreed mate, just hoping the young front rows start performing! Definitely miss Rob Evan's class act when fit! I think over the past few years we seemed to struggle in patches at scrum time and if I'm honest I think Wales have got a week scrummage reputation which unfortunately precedes us into matches and referees like poite on weekend tend to give 50/50s against us because of that!
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01/12/2020 17:04:26 1 2
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Evans a big miss but been performing well at the Scarlets. Gotta be in the squad for 6N. Other than that the scrum went really well last year, so it has to be systemic (coaching) or interpretation of the laws. Either way they aren't performing as they were.
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01/12/2020 16:47:14 1 2
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Only issue there is Navidi 29, Faletau 30, Tips 31. And Navs is always carrying a knock.
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01/12/2020 16:57:13 1 2
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But, as with AWJ they are players who shouldn't just be discarded. They have "been there and done it" and will help be the younger ones in.
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01/12/2020 16:55:07 10 11
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This is the best time to watch rugby. Loving seeing the Welsh in disarray. Long May it continue
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01/12/2020 16:58:45 10 3
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Disarray don’t think so unless we start losing to likes of Georgia & Italy.
I’ll take that as a compliment as how decent we have been over last few years if yiu think losing a few games is disarray.thanks
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01/12/2020 17:05:13 3 4
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It is disarray mate.
Anyone think otherwise is deluded.
Beating Georgia and Italy are no plus points.
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01/12/2020 16:40:33 4 4
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Wales only lost to England by 3 in March and an injury depleted Wales lost on Saturday helped by Poite. The gap is not that big.
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01/12/2020 16:58:50 4 1
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Deluded
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PWL
01/12/2020 17:10:40 3 4
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A lot of English fans predicted a cricket score v Wales: that's deluded.
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01/12/2020 16:48:03 4 5
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What is the obsession about results vs England. England were leading by 17 before they had 2 men correctly binned in March. On Saturday, he Welsh try was a charge down against the run of play and the penalties soft errors from England- they could have been nilled. Wales have been losing to everyone bar Italy and Georgia, not just England. The gap is massive.
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PWL
01/12/2020 16:59:56 3 4
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What's your obsession with Wales? You need medical treatment.
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01/12/2020 18:12:26 0 4
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They are terrible at rugby
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01/12/2020 17:00:56 3 1
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Yes the lineouts and scrums are major issues for Wales but what is stifling any chance of open attacking rugby is being continuously being penalised at the breakdown. It means players are less likely to break the searing breaks we love to watch as they are penalised as soon as they are tackled and the team is then pegged back 30-40yds. Hence the kicking which we hate to watch. Laws have to change
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01/12/2020 16:44:33 3 3
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I agree. Too many around 30 mark and more: AWJ, Tips, JD, Biggar, Webb, Owens, Faletau...All been great players, but new blood needed for future.
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01/12/2020 17:00:58 1 1
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My problem with that is that there doesn't seem to be any proven leaders ready to fill the void. Plenty of quality but they need experience around them
It seems that all the lads in their late 20s, who should be filling the void, are the ones constantly on the treatment table. Navs, Moriarty, Rob Evans, Elis Jenkins, Sanjay! All had a few knocks.
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01/12/2020 17:03:58 2 1
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The silver lining is France and Scotland have improved dramatically so should make for a very good 6 nations 2021.

If Wales find some form too then it could be one to remember - assuming crowds are back.

Perhaps it will be delayed until April to allow for crowds if scheduling works.
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02/12/2020 01:25:20 0 0
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Indeed look at France? Where did their defence coach come from, and which Rugby Union wouldn't give him the four year contract he asked for?
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01/12/2020 16:56:07 3 2
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Hey flex yes agreed mate, just hoping the young front rows start performing! Definitely miss Rob Evan's class act when fit! I think over the past few years we seemed to struggle in patches at scrum time and if I'm honest I think Wales have got a week scrummage reputation which unfortunately precedes us into matches and referees like poite on weekend tend to give 50/50s against us because of that!
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01/12/2020 17:04:26 1 2
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Evans a big miss but been performing well at the Scarlets. Gotta be in the squad for 6N. Other than that the scrum went really well last year, so it has to be systemic (coaching) or interpretation of the laws. Either way they aren't performing as they were.
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01/12/2020 16:58:45 10 3
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Disarray don’t think so unless we start losing to likes of Georgia & Italy.
I’ll take that as a compliment as how decent we have been over last few years if yiu think losing a few games is disarray.thanks
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01/12/2020 17:05:13 3 4
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It is disarray mate.
Anyone think otherwise is deluded.
Beating Georgia and Italy are no plus points.
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01/12/2020 17:24:34 3 2
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May I ask why do you think Eddie didn’t have the courage to try new players this autumn ?
Why didn’t he make 13 changes for Eng v Geo ?

Willis and Malins I think were the only new caps ? Where’s this much vaunted ‘strength in depth’ ?

Most of England’s regulars won’t make 2023, Youngs, Mako, Farrell, May, George.... injuries & age will bite, then Eddie hasn’t got plan B, like his gameplans...
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01/12/2020 16:37:38 1 1
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Obviously, he's feeling the effects of my late tackle on him when he played for Bassaleg School in WALES. It's clearly making him talk through his hat!
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01/12/2020 17:05:28 0 1
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I don't think it was me as I never played 3rd team level
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PWL
01/12/2020 17:38:31 3 2
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It was definitely you. You didn't shine at school leve l in Wales, but when you moved to England you were a superstar as no competition.
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01/12/2020 20:47:28 2 0
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Never played at all more like.
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01/12/2020 16:39:14 3 2
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With the greatest possible respect to a great player, it is now surely time that AWJ stepped back? He won't be at the next RWC and has captained Wales to 6N 5th place when at least new players could be blooded.

I fear that he is hanging on to be crowned as Lions captain by Warren Gatland but he's simply not the player he was. The old guard is becoming the "very old guard!' It's not helping Wales
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01/12/2020 17:05:31 3 1
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A lot of the England team are the same ages except for AWJ.... Youngs, Billy, Mako, George etc are around the dreaded 30...

AWJ is a freak of nature and it’s for a younger lock to step up, AWJ has set the bar high, only Botham made more tackles v England so for an old geezer he’s still earning his keep
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01/12/2020 20:20:12 2 2
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Yeah but many people in England already think that Robson should have been given his chance over youngs a while back.

Billy is overweight and ineffective, Dombrant, Simmons better options.

Mako has never been the strongest scrummager and will be replaced by the more explosive Genge.

George for me is soft as shi.... and we already have better options in Luke Cowan Dickie and Barbeary
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01/12/2020 16:55:07 10 11
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This is the best time to watch rugby. Loving seeing the Welsh in disarray. Long May it continue
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01/12/2020 17:05:45 2 3
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Very mature.
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01/12/2020 16:41:57 1 8
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To be fair, they were beaten in that semi-final by an equally small nation!

It was nonetheless a fantastic performance and Wales' best outside the 6N.
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01/12/2020 17:06:42 5 5
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And the ‘equally small’ nation ripped the wheels of the chariot in the final......
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01/12/2020 16:48:03 4 5
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What is the obsession about results vs England. England were leading by 17 before they had 2 men correctly binned in March. On Saturday, he Welsh try was a charge down against the run of play and the penalties soft errors from England- they could have been nilled. Wales have been losing to everyone bar Italy and Georgia, not just England. The gap is massive.
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01/12/2020 17:09:33 3 2
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Think the obsession is yours. You were comparing the two sides in your original post lol.
This excitement you have seeing Wales in a bit of bother shows you are the one who's obsessed.
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01/12/2020 18:12:58 0 4
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It's not exciting they have and always will be terrible at rugby
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01/12/2020 17:10:38 3 1
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Some newbies did show enough potential. Persevere with them, when can, to give them the experience they need - J. Williams, Botham, Lewis-Hughes, Hardy, Brown. Sheedy and LRZ are already good enough for top flight maybe because they play in EPL? Not all doom and gloom but the front 5 does need a lot of strengthening - that's where Pivac has his biggest problem.
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01/12/2020 17:25:50 0 2
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Front 5 is pretty much the same as last year. Can't all be on them.
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01/12/2020 16:58:50 4 1
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Deluded
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PWL
01/12/2020 17:10:40 3 4
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A lot of English fans predicted a cricket score v Wales: that's deluded.
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01/12/2020 18:20:30 1 2
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Those predictions were from the likes of bigbaddog, Steve D, TequilaSuffer and other half wits who constantly display in their posts they’ve never even watched rugby union.
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02/12/2020 08:00:41 0 0
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"A lot of English fans predicted a cricket score v Wales"

No, they didn't. A few did, but not 'a lot'.

I actually said that Wales can and probably would score tries v England and that it wouldn't be pretty but that England would edge it.