Covid: Boris Johnson urges MPs to back tough tiers for England
01/12/2020 | news | politics | 4,392
The prime minister said the NHS remained under pressure, despite a four-week national lockdown.
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01/12/2020 11:03:33 18 30
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If the so-called future of the UK (Uni students) and the pointless demonstrators
started behaving then maybe such strict tiers wouldn’t be needed.
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01/12/2020 11:07:11 12 5
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Perhaps if they were set better examples by those in the public eye, it may have altered their behaviour? Perhaps if the rules had been enforced, their behaviour may have been better???
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01/12/2020 11:08:37 9 4
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Personally I wonder why we trust a government of known liars and big Pharm companies whose main interests are lining their own pockets. But I guess if they control the media and we are stupid enough to vote for them. Then they control our minds and actions.
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01/12/2020 11:09:38 8 3
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Haven't we all had enough of blame culture. It is virtually impossible to 'contain' a flu/cold virus. Even Boris and all his cronies have caught it after telling us all how we should be behaving, where to stand, who to see and so on.
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01/12/2020 11:09:15 4 8
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Yes it’s real time the students and young ‘adults’ were bought under curfew for their disgraceful behaviour and total disregard for public safety and well-being. No under 30s should be allowed into any pub, club or restaurant for the foreseeable future
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01/12/2020 11:14:18 6 7
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Well said.
I see students going to college round my way and they are biggest d-heads I've ever seen, even before Lockdown.
They just can't get it into their thick skulls that the whole universe don't revolve around them.

Hashtag outraged the lot of em if you dare criticise them and they'll be straight on social media in their me me me me forums with carefully edited pictures and videos as well.
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01/12/2020 12:00:24 2 4
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Sure Tess. Not that there are adults breaking the rules huh?
01/12/2020 17:40:33 0 0
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the whole point of uni at this point is to trade away future money for extended adolescence
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jon
01/12/2020 11:03:37 24 35
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Poor old Starmer. He is following a similar policy of sitting on the fence, just like his disastrous Brexit stance at the last general election. It’s hardly the sort of leadership skills voters want to trust. More like the misguided Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement.
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01/12/2020 11:05:10 20 7
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Sadly so many people can only do binary choices, rather than nuanced positions!??
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01/12/2020 11:10:14 9 1
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You would be better putting your efforts criticising this complete and utter incompetent government for getting the country into this mess in the first place.
Supporting this cabinet led by a serial lier, well you have your own opinion.
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01/12/2020 11:07:37 1 9
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He has no option than to vote with the Tories today given help inept Labour were in controlling the virus the Wales
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01/12/2020 11:20:39 3 2
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Why can't he put his head on the block tell us what he would do instead of hiding behind the mantra of its not my decision.
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01/12/2020 11:03:46 133 22
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One wonders if MPs will be discussing which way to vote, over a Scotch Egg & a pint or two????
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01/12/2020 11:23:23 118 86
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One wonders why so many people are so desperate to drink in over-priced pubs.
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01/12/2020 11:26:06 14 0
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"Scotch Eggs" are obviously a devolved issue, as of course is "Welsh Rarebit", so obviously cannot be applied in England.
01/12/2020 13:03:04 3 0
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you are joking,,, taxpayers pay all their food,drinks and perks.
01/12/2020 13:40:52 2 0
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or a jumbo packet of crisps.
PJB
01/12/2020 14:13:59 1 1
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Not if they're in tier 3.
01/12/2020 17:54:15 1 0
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You forget 20 cigarettes aswell
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01/12/2020 11:03:48 86 49
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Time for the Government to be accountable for the mess they’ve created. However, accountability is a swear word for Tories. They’re simply not used to it.

Tabloid spin can’t cover this many avoidable deaths & blatant corruption, no matter how much their devotees wish it could.
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01/12/2020 11:07:52 60 16
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They are accountable as you will get the opportunity to kick them out at the next general election. I suggest you vote wisely.
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01/12/2020 11:06:56 16 17
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Unlike the complete and utter trash mess the labour have made in Wales in mean
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01/12/2020 11:09:05 13 16
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Politicians from any party are never accountable for any decision ... it's one of the qualities required in the job description.

As you don't like the Tories solution what's your answer, preferably without the benefit of hindsight ?

Let me guess, you have none, but everything the government does is wrong.

Every government worldwide is doing the same - are they all wrong ?
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01/12/2020 11:30:59 7 0
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Labour have the chance to hold them to account but are refusing to vote, if your local MP is Labour I suggest you email them and ask why
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01/12/2020 11:33:33 12 1
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They're all as bad as each other (Politicians)
If you think Labour or any other party will miraculously improve eveything then dear gawd you're in for a shock ??
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01/12/2020 11:40:17 8 1
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Labour will have to take their share of the blame, since they have basically been agreeing to everything so far.
Labour could have opposed the Tier System today, but once again, they have bottled it, & hid behind abstention.
With Starmer in charge, Johnson has nothing to fear, & we have no real opposition when we need it.
01/12/2020 12:46:48 1 2
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And your ideas are what?
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01/12/2020 11:04:13 157 22
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If we're putting 99% of England into tier 2 and above, then why are we allowing the five day "Sulk saves Christmas!" festival?
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01/12/2020 11:09:27 132 21
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Especially as it will involve mass travel for people to meet up with relatives. Prepare for a Covid New Year.
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01/12/2020 11:59:13 16 2
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Indeed.

Dr Fauci (leading world expert on the virus) says anyone getting together with family groups outside their own MUST assume that they have been infected and isolate themselves as if they have.

Why are people who complain they've been seriously disadvantaged by restrictions then willing to compromise the health of their community and so increase the odds of even more severe restrictions?
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01/12/2020 12:07:53 18 0
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People will do what they want to over Christmas anyway don’t matter whether they are allowed to or not. The sensible ones will carry on using common sense and those who want to do so will still party. Just because you are allowed to mix etc you don’t have too.
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01/12/2020 12:21:36 10 6
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The virus will be on it's winter vacation over the Xmas break , that's why Johnson and the circus are saying have your 5 days holiday , cos 2021 is cancelled !
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zan
01/12/2020 12:30:10 5 3
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By being in tier 3 or above, the amount of people with the infection should be greatly reduced. Therefore the cha once of passing it to others over Christmas should also be reduced
01/12/2020 17:17:28 0 0
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The country should be kept in lockdown till Christmas. If tiers are implemented, a lot will just ignore it.
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01/12/2020 11:05:02 14 22
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Labour abstaining from the vote is an act of moral cowardice.

What is the point of an opposition if you don't vote against policies you disagree with?
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01/12/2020 11:06:45 10 4
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It is good politics though, transparently shows the disagreement within the Tory party when the votes are counted.
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01/12/2020 11:06:35 6 2
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I expect they don’t want to paralyse the Government at this time of National Crisis?
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01/12/2020 11:09:21 1 3
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I've already explained this. Would you like me to explain again?
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01/12/2020 11:11:33 2 5
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Absolutely! What an act of craven cowardice. Party of the people they are not. At least Boris is prepared to put his neck on the political block, even if most people don't agree with him. I'm definitely voting LibDem next time.
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01/12/2020 11:20:26 3 2
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I think we've all seen multiple times where any sign of support by Labour for this government's shambles is then held up as a reason to stop criticising it. Damned if they do and damned if they don't - abstention is the right thing to do.
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jon
01/12/2020 11:03:37 24 35
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Poor old Starmer. He is following a similar policy of sitting on the fence, just like his disastrous Brexit stance at the last general election. It’s hardly the sort of leadership skills voters want to trust. More like the misguided Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement.
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01/12/2020 11:05:10 20 7
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Sadly so many people can only do binary choices, rather than nuanced positions!??
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01/12/2020 11:09:43 5 2
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Takes less thinking
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01/12/2020 11:05:23 137 74
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England in National Lockdown

England in Local Lockdown Tears

Jobs lost, businesses bust and the pandemic has killed tens of thousands

2020 – The Year of the Tragic Bozo the Clown
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01/12/2020 11:10:10 82 23
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Why not just go over his head and appeal directly to Carrie .
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01/12/2020 11:09:14 10 8
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Perhaps you could explain France; Belgium; Italy; Spain and Scotland to us?
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01/12/2020 11:12:28 13 6
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Wales in complete lockdown again, no pubs open, Labour have made a complete mess of their areas
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01/12/2020 11:56:05 3 2
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Could you do better!!!!!
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01/12/2020 11:56:10 2 1
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there is an opposition you know (just in case you missed them)
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01/12/2020 12:05:17 4 4
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Boris Johnson the history writers are queuing up worst Tory leader in since the late Margret thatcher
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01/12/2020 12:05:39 1 2
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Whilst I can't disagree with much of that, I do think it a bit hard to count Macron and whoever runs Belgium, Italy, Spain and a few other countries around the world out of the running for Bozo of the year.
01/12/2020 12:44:38 0 2
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Any ideas of your own?
01/12/2020 18:00:50 1 0
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What utter shambles the EU are laughing at us
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01/12/2020 11:05:33 296 33
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I have just given up on all of this now. It's such a mess.
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01/12/2020 11:23:01 120 138
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Don't give up, mate! Borris and Co. know what they're doing, even if the cream of the crop of spads has left the building.

The one thing that disappoints me is that Labour didn't make some demands from the govt before they decided to sit on the fence. The least they could have done was extract some more financial support for those forced to close down.
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01/12/2020 11:25:01 14 33
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Mess?

Anyone with an iota of intelligence finds it clear and easy to understand.
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01/12/2020 11:38:41 18 4
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Same here, Son. Literally nobody social distances anymore and the supermarkets don't care they just want our money. Yet small independents are going bust
01/12/2020 14:14:43 2 2
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Well, on the plus side, they can't make Brexit any worse than it already is, so that's something to look forward to... :)
01/12/2020 14:24:12 1 4
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Not a mess. After a shaky start we doing OK. Infections are dropping quickly, especially in my neck of the woods where we've been under tough measures for weeks. In the next week or so hospital admissions and fatalities will start to drop.
People are only whining because they're selfish. And, well, because people are simple and like moaning about stuff.
01/12/2020 16:35:20 0 0
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Don't give up - apathy is what they want!
01/12/2020 18:04:50 0 0
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an Eton mess
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01/12/2020 11:05:41 12 7
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All a bit pointless considering the bedlam that is going to ensue with all the shops opening tomorrow. The queue outside my local Primark tomorrow morning before it opens is going to be comedy value if nothing else.
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01/12/2020 11:06:01 10 20
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What's to say really, labour and the rest being political with peoples lives again, rather lockdown tiers than melted lungs or even death.
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01/12/2020 11:07:39 8 5
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Torie MPs live by Sulk's BS, let them die by Sulk's BS.
sir keir starmer wasn’t taking the knee recently, he has no spine so can’t stand up. Removed
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01/12/2020 11:08:35 12 6
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Stupid, meaningless insult.
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01/12/2020 11:05:02 14 22
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Labour abstaining from the vote is an act of moral cowardice.

What is the point of an opposition if you don't vote against policies you disagree with?
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01/12/2020 11:06:45 10 4
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It is good politics though, transparently shows the disagreement within the Tory party when the votes are counted.
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01/12/2020 11:18:31 2 2
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The BBC and other media outlets have done that. The pointlessness of being a spineless opposition.
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01/12/2020 11:06:49 13 25
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"But with both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote, the measures are expected to pass."

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Labour and SNP constantly criticise the UK government yet when given the opportunity to vote on their handling of the pandemic they shrug their shoulders and say "we don't know".

Absolutely pathetic.
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01/12/2020 11:08:02 11 6
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I've already explained this. Do I need to use shorter words?
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01/12/2020 11:08:37 4 0
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Why should the SNP be voting on rules for England?
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01/12/2020 11:08:59 1 0
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EVEL, English Votes for English Laws?

Can the SNP vote on this?
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01/12/2020 11:09:11 1 3
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Yes Labour would always be in trouble if their policy was anything other than 'yes' or 'no', 'red' or 'blue'!??
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01/12/2020 11:09:28 9 2
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Actually if Johnson had listened to Starmer (& SAGE) and timed the last lockdown over half term, it couldve been 2 weeks instead of 4 to get numbers this low again

Dither & delay Johnson has no clue
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01/12/2020 11:11:38 0 7
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Both labour and SNP have made a total pigs ear in their areas, and by abstaining it means the tiers will be voted through without any problem
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01/12/2020 11:27:42 1 0
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You probably voted for the tories, so why expect the other parties to try and correct them?
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01/12/2020 11:07:07 190 19
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Wholly blaming a single behaviour/setting/group for everything wrong with the pandemic response is not only incorrect (as a combination of factors are responsible), it’s dangerous rhetoric in an already divided society.

I don’t like rule breaking, but I absolutely hate this systemic blame game, where the societal consequences of fighting amongst ourselves don’t bear thinking about.
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01/12/2020 11:11:44 160 21
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I thought division was the point. Divide and rule.
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01/12/2020 11:10:50 12 29
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Mmmm me thinks you are from that group that is behaving disgracefully and holds the country to ransom, pity they are not adult to realise it is their future they are ruining, all for a pint
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01/12/2020 11:15:43 18 2
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Exactly how I feel BWhit480...more of the same old 'divide and rule'. Lose your job/lose your life there's usually your opposite number crowing about it...shamefully managed this way.
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01/12/2020 12:00:45 3 6
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so we are all agreed, we will all disobey masks and lock-down because they are not only not a 'cure' but are worse than the disease? ;-)
01/12/2020 13:24:12 2 2
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I totally agree!
01/12/2020 13:32:39 2 2
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Blame Cameron for starting this.
Not even two poles now.
Brexit- Remain.
Deal- no deal
lockdown- no lockdown
fisheries- sod fisheries.
And God knows how many others, including regional/ national disputes

We need a melting pot. Boney M , maybe? had a good idea.
SM
01/12/2020 15:51:41 0 0
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Agreed, all the bickering and point scoring has done is undermine the general message to stay safe etc. Giving people doubt and hence excuses to carry on as they have and therefore exacerbated the problem.
The failure is in parliament not coming together on this. The lot of them, Tory, Labour devolved nation leaders etc should all hang their heads in shame.
01/12/2020 18:10:57 0 1
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Baring in mind there has been no true conservative leader since Thatcher, who/what has splintered our society? I agree with you society is fractured, but as we’ve only had nonsense wokeists in power since 1990, who’s cased the splintering ?
TC
01/12/2020 18:17:19 1 0
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Notable is trotting out ministers not directly responsible for Covid strategy to underline importance of various Covid 'rules'. Its could reflect 'collective cabinet responsibility' but in fact is preparation for collective cabinet blame so later Johnson may claim the buck doesn't stop with him.
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01/12/2020 11:03:33 18 30
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If the so-called future of the UK (Uni students) and the pointless demonstrators
started behaving then maybe such strict tiers wouldn’t be needed.
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01/12/2020 11:07:11 12 5
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Perhaps if they were set better examples by those in the public eye, it may have altered their behaviour? Perhaps if the rules had been enforced, their behaviour may have been better???
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Ian
01/12/2020 11:07:38 20 9
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Why was Boris in Wales, surely he should have been turned back his trip was not essential!!. No wonder we are in this mess.
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01/12/2020 11:15:46 9 0
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I think Drakeford should shoulder responsibility for that . If you are complaining about the draconian measures in England you should try try living in Wales.
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01/12/2020 11:06:01 10 20
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What's to say really, labour and the rest being political with peoples lives again, rather lockdown tiers than melted lungs or even death.
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01/12/2020 11:07:39 8 5
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Torie MPs live by Sulk's BS, let them die by Sulk's BS.
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01/12/2020 11:07:46 480 81
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If there was genuine consistency across the country i think people would accept it but counties and regions bundled together here and there is harming peoples livelihoods.

Also London getting different treatment to the rest of the country is not helping.
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01/12/2020 11:20:07 572 76
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London has been getting different treatment to the rest of the country for years. London is no longer part of the UK but a separate city-state that politicians think is more important than the rest of the country put together.
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01/12/2020 11:20:32 13 12
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Not livelihoods it is lives old mate.
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01/12/2020 11:46:59 36 5
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There is, it’s not just about infections, it’s about local hospital capacity. More needs to be done to make it clear why tiers have been assigned because people think the decisions are arbitrary when in fact they are not.
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01/12/2020 11:50:39 17 0
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If you look deeper there is an indication that it is done against the regional health system you’re under rather than by counties. I’ve not checked them all but it does appear to be the main factor.
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01/12/2020 11:53:42 5 4
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You mean we all end up broke and unemployed?
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01/12/2020 11:56:14 19 14
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Yes because that where the money is and the London elite are stuff rest of us as northern cities will end up footing the covid payback ????
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01/12/2020 12:03:44 13 4
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Its not about the virus, its about sowing further seeds of division between communities. BLM, virus believers against non-believers, the masked against the unmasked, encouraged us to inform on rule breakers, and next it will be dividing the vaccinated against the non vaccinated. A divided people is easier to conquer and control.
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01/12/2020 12:22:33 13 25
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"Proud Northerner" has highest rated comments on this HYS

Well in response ....

The North gave us the Brexit mess ...

The North gave us Johnson's government ...

The North gave us Covid Wave 2.

So much for "The North" to be proud of ...

As families in Burnley beg for food.

You were warned.

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01/12/2020 12:32:48 7 18
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London isn't getting equal treatment, you're right. It's getting harsher treatment than the rest of the country.

When it went into tier 2 measures pre-second lockdown it had lower than average case numbers and much lower than places like Bristol that remained in tier 1.

Now it still has lower than average case numbers, some boroughs lower than the Isle of Wight, yet remains in tier 2
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AMc
01/12/2020 12:36:06 6 5
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So let me get this right, you're suggesting that if one part of the country needs to be at level 3 then the whole of the country should be at level 3?

so "that really helps"

Leave the thinking to someone else.
01/12/2020 13:00:03 5 1
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Hmm. London isn't doing as terribly as people seem to suggest. Covid deaths for Week ending 29th Nov:

London (population 9m, density 5,700 people per sq. km) -185
Scotland (population 5.5m, density 65 people per sq, km) - 219

Scotland is suffering under the SNP, but still - for such a high population density London is doing well.
01/12/2020 13:57:59 4 0
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There is but there is a lack of communication, cases/100k is one of five values; numbers of vulnerable, hospital admissions etc. Being from Blackburn I think social behaviour is the main issue, so many gatherings and quite frankly ignorant people. Police should be issuing bigger and more fines!
01/12/2020 14:10:01 2 1
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If we the people used our brains and followed the rules then restrictions could be more local. But when people go just outside their restricted area because a pub is open on the just down the road then local restrictions simply fail hence wider restrictions needed.
01/12/2020 14:14:41 4 0
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Hoping in the review on the 16th that Cambridgeshire isn’t still bundled together with Peterborough. Peterborough cases are rising towards tier 3 levels, while ours are dropping to tier 1 levels. Suspect we’ll all stay in tier2 though.
01/12/2020 14:59:01 3 5
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Yes, the sooner London goes it's own way the better, horrible city...
01/12/2020 15:19:22 1 2
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What like Kent? Probably 50% of London Workers live in Kent a Surrey.

Ditch the chip on your shoulder.
01/12/2020 16:00:13 0 0
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London is not getting different treatment - we are in Tier 2.
My Borough & the bordering ones all are well below the average for England in new cases/100,000
01/12/2020 16:59:38 1 1
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Exactly.
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01/12/2020 11:07:51 53 28
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If these clowns dont know whether chips with your pastie or a scotch egg alone is a big enough loophole to get you in the pub....

Then what have business or the public of understanding the rules?

No wonder England has the
worst death rate,
highest GDP hit,
most expensive (& still non functioning!) test & trace system...

in the whole of Europe
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01/12/2020 11:37:31 36 3
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Not the worst death rate in Europe, facts right please!
you need to fact check this, utter bollocks. show your proof or sit down troll Removed
01/12/2020 14:42:25 3 0
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It hasn't any of them, except, maybe, track and trace. Belgium (home of the EU) has the worst overall death rate, and in the last 7 days a large number of European countries have far worse mortality per capita. As for GDP hit, Southern Europe is the worst hit, so bad even the EZ couldn't bail them out & an EU wide rescue fund was proposed, but AFAIK that is still vetoed by Poland & Hungary.
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01/12/2020 11:03:48 86 49
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Time for the Government to be accountable for the mess they’ve created. However, accountability is a swear word for Tories. They’re simply not used to it.

Tabloid spin can’t cover this many avoidable deaths & blatant corruption, no matter how much their devotees wish it could.
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01/12/2020 11:07:52 60 16
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They are accountable as you will get the opportunity to kick them out at the next general election. I suggest you vote wisely.
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01/12/2020 11:53:11 1 2
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People do not as they vote for the bull the press feed them.
01/12/2020 14:38:48 2 0
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The only wise thing to do in the event that all we get presented with are the LibLabCons and the Greens, is to vote 'None of the above or below'
01/12/2020 18:20:18 0 0
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Only if we are still alive!
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01/12/2020 11:06:49 13 25
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"But with both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote, the measures are expected to pass."

--

Labour and SNP constantly criticise the UK government yet when given the opportunity to vote on their handling of the pandemic they shrug their shoulders and say "we don't know".

Absolutely pathetic.
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01/12/2020 11:08:02 11 6
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I've already explained this. Do I need to use shorter words?
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01/12/2020 11:08:02 206 62
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Johnson seems to think that dressing up is the way to pretend to be a PM. Like many before him. Stand in a lab in a white coat. Pose in a factory in overalls. Look askance at a digger while wearing a hard hat. It’s like he’s pretending he knows what these jobs entail. He’s one of the “people”! He’s having a laugh as always at the “peoples’” expense. What a lark! He should resign before he ruins it
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01/12/2020 11:27:50 133 39
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His resignation would be irrelevant as the damage done is close to being beyond repair and the Brexit chaos hasn't even begun yet !
He will get left alone in PM job for quite a wee while yet as no one is stupid enough to take it on at this time.
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01/12/2020 11:55:25 4 0
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Yeah, remember when Blair used to hang out with rock stars....
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jw
01/12/2020 12:32:27 2 0
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I'm not great Boris fan but haven't other premiers donned hard hats and overalls in the past.
01/12/2020 12:44:11 4 0
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I like Doris and Cove. Their output, seen the right way, gives me something to base my actions on, as whatever they say or write (why do we pay their salaries for them to waste time writing for newspapers?) is for one reason or another reliably wrong.
01/12/2020 13:42:47 11 0
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Totally agree there should be more important things for him to do rather than the constant stream of photo opportunities. How about spending a few days properly negotiating a deal with eu.
01/12/2020 13:43:15 6 0
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too late.
01/12/2020 14:57:05 3 0
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And possibly end up with Gove running the country??!! Boris is a bit of a clown, but Gove would bury the lot of us. Don't know how he manages to hang in with the big boys, especially after backstabbing Boris a few years back.
01/12/2020 18:13:50 0 0
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I love the Cameron and Clegg charade when they bounded in to hospitals with their shirt sleeves rolled up as if they were going to get their hands dirty. The only way they get their hands dirty is holding dirty old bank notes and coins. They can't even do that now with these new bank notes.
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01/12/2020 11:08:10 11 9
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what is more important the pub party's and holidays with a lot of sick and dying people later on .
OR healthy county fit to work and pay back what the government has spent to sort out the mess we are in
The pub party. Next question
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01/12/2020 11:08:10 40 24
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People are saying because numbers are going down then we don't need tiers.

The numbers are going down because of lockdown. If we don't have tiers then the numbers will go up again.

We need a quick direct route to getting the numbers down not some yo-yo approach that keeps dragging things out.
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01/12/2020 11:15:04 46 2
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I live in an area with a lower rate/100k than the Isle of Wight, and yet I'm in tier 2. Why on earth have they stuck the vast majority of us into more restrictive measures when numerically there is no need?

The cynical part of me thinks its so Johnson can magically lift us into tier 1 after grinding us down so much that we are eternally grateful for any scrap of mercy, forgetting who put us there
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JGC
01/12/2020 11:44:12 0 1
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The numbers were going down before lockdown.
01/12/2020 15:06:50 1 1
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Cobblers, on the page BBC announced that infection rates in the North West meant Boris would order a lock down a few days on, the rates were already halved in Liverpool, you could actually use a link on the page to check the numbers in your area, I checked 9 areas, 5 in the NW EVERY one showing a significant drop, Birmingham, a rise, Nottingham a rise, and the other 2 London areas a drop
26
01/12/2020 11:05:40 10 13
bbc
Looks like Labour will have to vote in the Tories ideas, as they made a total and complete mess of their ideas in Wales
6
01/12/2020 11:05:02 14 22
bbc
Labour abstaining from the vote is an act of moral cowardice.

What is the point of an opposition if you don't vote against policies you disagree with?
27
01/12/2020 11:06:35 6 2
bbc
I expect they don’t want to paralyse the Government at this time of National Crisis?
4
01/12/2020 11:03:48 86 49
bbc
Time for the Government to be accountable for the mess they’ve created. However, accountability is a swear word for Tories. They’re simply not used to it.

Tabloid spin can’t cover this many avoidable deaths & blatant corruption, no matter how much their devotees wish it could.
28
01/12/2020 11:06:56 16 17
bbc
Unlike the complete and utter trash mess the labour have made in Wales in mean
29
01/12/2020 11:08:33 11 16
bbc
I think Labour should abstain

no point having a fence if you don't sit on it
114
01/12/2020 11:17:29 4 0
bbc
The Tories made this ness, let the Tories fight like rats in a sack to figure it out.
sir keir starmer wasn’t taking the knee recently, he has no spine so can’t stand up. Removed
30
01/12/2020 11:08:35 12 6
bbc
Stupid, meaningless insult.
1
01/12/2020 11:03:33 18 30
bbc
If the so-called future of the UK (Uni students) and the pointless demonstrators
started behaving then maybe such strict tiers wouldn’t be needed.
31
01/12/2020 11:08:37 9 4
bbc
Personally I wonder why we trust a government of known liars and big Pharm companies whose main interests are lining their own pockets. But I guess if they control the media and we are stupid enough to vote for them. Then they control our minds and actions.
14
01/12/2020 11:06:49 13 25
bbc
"But with both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote, the measures are expected to pass."

--

Labour and SNP constantly criticise the UK government yet when given the opportunity to vote on their handling of the pandemic they shrug their shoulders and say "we don't know".

Absolutely pathetic.
32
01/12/2020 11:08:37 4 0
bbc
Why should the SNP be voting on rules for England?
14
01/12/2020 11:06:49 13 25
bbc
"But with both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote, the measures are expected to pass."

--

Labour and SNP constantly criticise the UK government yet when given the opportunity to vote on their handling of the pandemic they shrug their shoulders and say "we don't know".

Absolutely pathetic.
33
01/12/2020 11:08:59 1 0
bbc
EVEL, English Votes for English Laws?

Can the SNP vote on this?
4
01/12/2020 11:03:48 86 49
bbc
Time for the Government to be accountable for the mess they’ve created. However, accountability is a swear word for Tories. They’re simply not used to it.

Tabloid spin can’t cover this many avoidable deaths & blatant corruption, no matter how much their devotees wish it could.
34
01/12/2020 11:09:05 13 16
bbc
Politicians from any party are never accountable for any decision ... it's one of the qualities required in the job description.

As you don't like the Tories solution what's your answer, preferably without the benefit of hindsight ?

Let me guess, you have none, but everything the government does is wrong.

Every government worldwide is doing the same - are they all wrong ?
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01/12/2020 11:13:47 20 9
bbc
Not spaff £12b on a failed track & trace provided by a firm who have previous form for ripping off the taxpayer (Serco)

Not let infected pensioners back into care homes killing thousands avoidably

Not ignoring all warnings from Italy & China

Not refusing to attend 5 Cobra meetings

Not championing 'Super Saturday', instructing people it was their 'patriotic duty' to go to the pub

For starters
443
01/12/2020 11:46:15 0 3
bbc
Follow the Great Barrington Declaration as Sweden did. Pandemic protocols used for many, many years up until covid
14
01/12/2020 11:06:49 13 25
bbc
"But with both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote, the measures are expected to pass."

--

Labour and SNP constantly criticise the UK government yet when given the opportunity to vote on their handling of the pandemic they shrug their shoulders and say "we don't know".

Absolutely pathetic.
35
01/12/2020 11:09:11 1 3
bbc
Yes Labour would always be in trouble if their policy was anything other than 'yes' or 'no', 'red' or 'blue'!??
111
01/12/2020 11:17:21 6 0
bbc
replied:
Yes Labour would always be in trouble if their policy was anything like Bozo's give all your money away to his chums. The party that keeps on giving.
6
01/12/2020 11:05:02 14 22
bbc
Labour abstaining from the vote is an act of moral cowardice.

What is the point of an opposition if you don't vote against policies you disagree with?
36
01/12/2020 11:09:21 1 3
bbc
I've already explained this. Would you like me to explain again?
5
01/12/2020 11:04:13 157 22
bbc
If we're putting 99% of England into tier 2 and above, then why are we allowing the five day "Sulk saves Christmas!" festival?
37
01/12/2020 11:09:27 132 21
bbc
Especially as it will involve mass travel for people to meet up with relatives. Prepare for a Covid New Year.
01/12/2020 14:10:46 1 1
bbc
Good idea: a few extra sniffles and it'll blow over.

Or several extra sniffles and much more enthusiasm for this magical vaccine.
01/12/2020 15:01:08 3 3
bbc
I suppose all those F1 teams, footballers, Rugby players traveling across Europe & the globe getting close up & personal with foreign opponents has no effect? Get real, scrap lock-down for all and protect the ones dying, ie very ill elderly people usually in care homes or hospital, and open up the NHS so that all those currently dying of heart attacks can have at least some chance of being saved
01/12/2020 17:52:38 0 0
bbc
Totally agree therefore lockdowns will be here 2021
01/12/2020 18:15:37 0 0
bbc
People criss crossing the country from one infected area to another. Congregating at service stations to use the toilet.
01/12/2020 20:24:03 0 0
bbc
You bet
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01/12/2020 11:06:49 13 25
bbc
"But with both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote, the measures are expected to pass."

--

Labour and SNP constantly criticise the UK government yet when given the opportunity to vote on their handling of the pandemic they shrug their shoulders and say "we don't know".

Absolutely pathetic.
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01/12/2020 11:09:28 9 2
bbc
Actually if Johnson had listened to Starmer (& SAGE) and timed the last lockdown over half term, it couldve been 2 weeks instead of 4 to get numbers this low again

Dither & delay Johnson has no clue
01/12/2020 13:35:08 1 0
bbc
We know numbers were falling prior to this err 'lockdown' which, let's be honest, was window dressing to claim a victory. We don't even know if the Tier system was responsible either as we have nothing to gauge it against. Could've even been a natural lull in virus activity couldn't it? Seeing as we can't prove that either way, I'm going to have a lunchtime beer with a substantial meal.
39
01/12/2020 11:09:29 12 10
bbc
It’s not about a virus anymore, it’s about control
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01/12/2020 11:13:58 0 0
bbc
neh.....it's about having power, and not knowing what to do with it
1
01/12/2020 11:03:33 18 30
bbc
If the so-called future of the UK (Uni students) and the pointless demonstrators
started behaving then maybe such strict tiers wouldn’t be needed.
40
01/12/2020 11:09:38 8 3
bbc
Haven't we all had enough of blame culture. It is virtually impossible to 'contain' a flu/cold virus. Even Boris and all his cronies have caught it after telling us all how we should be behaving, where to stand, who to see and so on.
7
01/12/2020 11:05:10 20 7
bbc
Sadly so many people can only do binary choices, rather than nuanced positions!??
41
01/12/2020 11:09:43 5 2
bbc
Takes less thinking
42
01/12/2020 11:09:47 14 20
bbc
Cowardly Labour abstaining.

Sitting on the fence as usual so they can complain no matter what happens.

Useless
83
01/12/2020 11:14:35 7 0
bbc
This disaster is all of the CON parties making...……..own it. Worse Covid death rate in Europe. Most money spent (given to cronies/chums) in Europe. Worse expected recovery. All CON party nothing to do with Labour.
Tiers of a clown is still in charge
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01/12/2020 11:15:48 1 0
bbc
The usual Tory excuse for their own incompetence; "but Labour...". Tories. So cowardly.
104
01/12/2020 11:16:49 1 2
bbc
Labour are irrelevant for 4 years
43
01/12/2020 11:09:49 9 5
bbc
So no-one disputes that precautions are needed, even lockdown. MPs are just voting against because they want more compensation for companies. What about the public, don't we matter any more? "Come and spend your money now because tomorrow you may die" Thanks a lot!
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01/12/2020 11:09:49 154 54
bbc
"WE NEED TO PROTECT YOUR HEALTH!"
(And our mate's who provide PPE)

"But what about the evidence..."

"WE ARE PROTECTING YOU!"
(And our mate's who have shares in vaccines labs)

"But what about the industries like hospitality that these tiers are going to DESTROY?"

"WE ARE PROTECTING YOUR GRANNY!"
(And those 'experts' who will get grants and gongs)

"And why is it the North?"

"WHERE?"
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01/12/2020 11:13:57 85 38
bbc
well said that man the whole thing is a con.
Vid
01/12/2020 14:16:03 1 6
bbc
"HOW IS THE VIRUS SPREAD"?

By close contact between people.

"WHY IS THE VIRUS STILL SPREADING IN THE NORTH?"

Clearly becasue the advice has been ignored and everyone still got together.....

PEOPLE SPREAD THIS VIRUS NOT POLICY
45
01/12/2020 11:10:02 20 4
bbc
Am hearing the promise of ministerial jobs in the next reshuffle is changing minds.
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01/12/2020 11:12:23 11 3
bbc
Sulk promising everything to everyone, but won't give anything to anyone.
199
01/12/2020 11:24:40 2 0
bbc
Has Carrie already chosen the new cabinet?
8
01/12/2020 11:05:23 137 74
bbc
England in National Lockdown

England in Local Lockdown Tears

Jobs lost, businesses bust and the pandemic has killed tens of thousands

2020 – The Year of the Tragic Bozo the Clown
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01/12/2020 11:10:10 82 23
bbc
Why not just go over his head and appeal directly to Carrie .
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Len
01/12/2020 11:39:27 1 1
bbc
Q
2
jon
01/12/2020 11:03:37 24 35
bbc
Poor old Starmer. He is following a similar policy of sitting on the fence, just like his disastrous Brexit stance at the last general election. It’s hardly the sort of leadership skills voters want to trust. More like the misguided Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement.
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01/12/2020 11:10:14 9 1
bbc
You would be better putting your efforts criticising this complete and utter incompetent government for getting the country into this mess in the first place.
Supporting this cabinet led by a serial lier, well you have your own opinion.
48
01/12/2020 11:07:31 16 10
bbc
So Labour have made their minds up then....to be undecided and abstain. Still, it's good to know where Her Majesty's Opposition stand.
85
01/12/2020 11:14:37 8 4
bbc
Hedging their bets, sitting on the fence, playing politics. All apply.
129
01/12/2020 11:18:42 2 1
bbc
Labour spends every breathing minute criticising the UK government's handling of the pandemic in England but when given the chance to vote against what the Tories are doing they whip their MPs to abstain.

Starmer would be out of his depth in a puddle.
149
01/12/2020 11:20:25 1 2
bbc
Tory party STILL having their civil war. Why should Labour take sides? a) johnson won't listen b) the conservative dominated press would love a chance to attack Labout
688
01/12/2020 12:05:56 1 0
bbc
Agreed the opposition cant lose / it goes right - we didn't vote it down / it goes wrong - we didn't vote for it - and they wonder why they got splatted at the general election. Gutless
2
jon
01/12/2020 11:03:37 24 35
bbc
Poor old Starmer. He is following a similar policy of sitting on the fence, just like his disastrous Brexit stance at the last general election. It’s hardly the sort of leadership skills voters want to trust. More like the misguided Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement.
49
01/12/2020 11:07:37 1 9
bbc
He has no option than to vote with the Tories today given help inept Labour were in controlling the virus the Wales
50
01/12/2020 11:09:11 19 11
bbc
As long as jason fleece trogg can go fox hunting
133
01/12/2020 11:19:04 7 2
bbc
yes telegraph talking about hunting being the spirit of England
51
01/12/2020 11:10:51 603 89
bbc
Saying 99% is in Tier 2 and above is not helpful as Tier 3 is where the real issue is. All of London can go out to the pub for a meal but huge swathes of Northumberland countryside is so dangerous we need to close all pubs ! Crazy !!
193
01/12/2020 11:23:58 259 602
bbc
Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it crazy.
What about the insanity of developing a vaccine for a cold virus that is harmless to 99.9% of the population? Removed
247
01/12/2020 11:29:16 77 15
bbc
Thank your lucky star that you are not in Wales. There alcohol spread the virus. I thought is is a disinfectant.
285
01/12/2020 11:32:56 83 30
bbc
The crazy part is that the Labour party are happily abandoning the wishes of their supporters in the North. Might as well vote for it - Cowards.
338
01/12/2020 11:37:21 55 19
bbc
Agreed, also, can't go for a socially distanced pint, but can stand at a cramped checkout for an hour
354
01/12/2020 11:38:21 44 11
bbc
The answer is simple, Money.
454
01/12/2020 11:47:11 18 3
bbc
I agree. Reporting is about the grouped 'highest tiers'. When it was Liverpool and Manchester etc it was specifically Tier 3.

This talk from Ministers about places dropping down the Tiers (plural) is fantasy. Nobody is going into the lowest Tier in 2 weeks time who aren't already there. Liverpool could get to 0 cases tomorrow and will still remain in Tier 2 when the first review happens.
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01/12/2020 11:49:49 20 2
bbc
Erm, London is in Tier 2, which means no mixing indoors in pubs or elsewhere.
660
01/12/2020 12:03:40 8 3
bbc
Imagine subdividing all the areas of the Uk into can/can't and trying to administer it - it'd be a far bigger mess than it is now so be thankful for small mercies if somewhat big areas!
Its bemusing why Northerners followed South and voted this moron for a big majority Removed
828
01/12/2020 12:22:55 10 4
bbc
It's not the pubs spreading this virus. The pubs have done so much to stop the spread. Take a look at the supermarkets with mass amounts of people in there stores with no social distancing. And take a look at the student's . They dont care
842
01/12/2020 12:24:12 4 6
bbc
It’s all about the disruption and chaos during the Brexit transition period. Johnson wants us all locked down during the transition period. Obviously
977
01/12/2020 12:38:28 8 2
bbc
In the south they can go out for a nice pub lunch, in the north we can just press our face to the window and watch

In the south they can take their kids to a lovely socially distanced panto, in the north we can't even play board games

Seems fair
01/12/2020 12:48:55 2 1
bbc
My mother lives in the Northumbrian countryside so I know where you are coming from, but there needs to be boundaries and it is too difficult to break it down into smaller communities. We have to just deal with it.
01/12/2020 12:53:07 3 0
bbc
I've got £50 to go for a quick pint at a pub in London, that's the going rate for a meal.
01/12/2020 12:54:59 1 4
bbc
If it were up to me not one pub in England would be open Drink at home
01/12/2020 13:03:32 2 0
bbc
I Cannot argue with your statement m8.
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01/12/2020 11:11:04 306 33
bbc
MPs ask for substantive evidence to justify a Government's decision and it can't provide it - we have gone to war previously on such similar falsehoods and lies.
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01/12/2020 11:18:17 128 147
bbc
backed by the brexit press of Express Mail times telegraph sun and the tory party under a three line whip. Chris you are right
And voting for brexit because many of these same right wing conservatives who really are faragists said Turkey was joining the EU is 2017 or 2018.
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01/12/2020 11:45:42 15 26
bbc
Evidence? Are you serious. What more do you need than a pile of 60,000 dead? At this rate we'll easily hit 80,000 or even 100,000 dead not to mention the longer term impact of long COVID. Even the countries hero, Lewis Hamilton, has succumbed to COVID now. We have to treat this more seriously - or else?
01/12/2020 16:55:29 0 0
bbc
Wales is an good example given, two weeks lock down lifted and covid cases start rising rapidly. Without restrictions in place the same will happen in England too.
01/12/2020 17:40:28 0 0
bbc
oh change the record ...
01/12/2020 18:01:31 1 0
bbc
There is a war going on, between those who love the nation state, it’s history culture and former freedoms and the wokeists.
6
01/12/2020 11:05:02 14 22
bbc
Labour abstaining from the vote is an act of moral cowardice.

What is the point of an opposition if you don't vote against policies you disagree with?
53
01/12/2020 11:11:33 2 5
bbc
Absolutely! What an act of craven cowardice. Party of the people they are not. At least Boris is prepared to put his neck on the political block, even if most people don't agree with him. I'm definitely voting LibDem next time.
68
01/12/2020 11:13:44 5 3
bbc
You do realise the LibDems are abstaining too???
78
01/12/2020 11:14:11 8 2
bbc
"At least Boris is prepared to put his neck on the political block"

He's the Prime Minister! Of course he has to! Dont make out like it is a special effort on his part.
8
01/12/2020 11:05:23 137 74
bbc
England in National Lockdown

England in Local Lockdown Tears

Jobs lost, businesses bust and the pandemic has killed tens of thousands

2020 – The Year of the Tragic Bozo the Clown
54
01/12/2020 11:09:14 10 8
bbc
Perhaps you could explain France; Belgium; Italy; Spain and Scotland to us?
91
01/12/2020 11:15:21 2 9
bbc
Chinas doing all right. 1.5 billion no covid
1
01/12/2020 11:03:33 18 30
bbc
If the so-called future of the UK (Uni students) and the pointless demonstrators
started behaving then maybe such strict tiers wouldn’t be needed.
55
01/12/2020 11:09:15 4 8
bbc
Yes it’s real time the students and young ‘adults’ were bought under curfew for their disgraceful behaviour and total disregard for public safety and well-being. No under 30s should be allowed into any pub, club or restaurant for the foreseeable future
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01/12/2020 11:18:31 5 6
bbc
Funnily enough, most of the student areas in towns and cities are now doing better than the surrounding areas for cases coming down - Fallowfield in Manchester for instance.

But since when have facts stopped miserable old folks complaining about students?
56
01/12/2020 11:09:29 8 17
bbc
Can’t wait for hindsight Starmer to wade in with his I told you so just now.
86
01/12/2020 11:14:56 5 2
bbc
Everyone is telling Boris I told you so. Even within his own party.
97
01/12/2020 11:16:03 1 0
bbc
sad comment Barley. You think he should issue forecasts of what right wingers should do? The thing being about you abusing him so personally indicates he's accurate
98
01/12/2020 11:16:04 1 0
bbc
As opposed to captain u-turn?
24
01/12/2020 11:08:10 11 9
bbc
what is more important the pub party's and holidays with a lot of sick and dying people later on .
OR healthy county fit to work and pay back what the government has spent to sort out the mess we are in
57
01/12/2020 11:09:46 5 2
bbc
The pub party. Next question
15
01/12/2020 11:07:07 190 19
bbc
Wholly blaming a single behaviour/setting/group for everything wrong with the pandemic response is not only incorrect (as a combination of factors are responsible), it’s dangerous rhetoric in an already divided society.

I don’t like rule breaking, but I absolutely hate this systemic blame game, where the societal consequences of fighting amongst ourselves don’t bear thinking about.
58
01/12/2020 11:11:44 160 21
bbc
I thought division was the point. Divide and rule.
01/12/2020 12:44:14 9 2
bbc
It is indeed the point. The gov't loves this canard about "Rule-Breakers" spoiling it for everyone else {there are too few rule-breakers too disperse to have such a large nationwide effect} so that when their eventual failure is realized they will point the finger at everyone and say "we told you what to do to be safe but you wouldn't do it - not our fault", even though their "rules" are utter bo
01/12/2020 12:55:05 2 2
bbc
Divide and conquer, you can't rule divided people, look at the Middle East.
01/12/2020 13:33:18 4 1
bbc
we have the divide part.
Just need the rule now.
01/12/2020 15:55:55 1 1
bbc
Standard socialist tactics, which is why they're constantly pushing diversity.
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01/12/2020 11:12:04 6 3
bbc
Bizarre to think that although Boris's handling of the pandemic has been shambolic that Keir's handling would have been worse. The Labour leader in Wales 'circuit breaker', backed by Keir who suggested it should be UK wide, saw cases rise during it so much so that their having to re-introduce pub booze bans. They are all just repeating the same last resort lockdown mistakes with no plan 'B'.
45
01/12/2020 11:10:02 20 4
bbc
Am hearing the promise of ministerial jobs in the next reshuffle is changing minds.
60
01/12/2020 11:12:23 11 3
bbc
Sulk promising everything to everyone, but won't give anything to anyone.
61
01/12/2020 11:12:42 28 21
bbc
jon. “Poor old Starmer. He is following a similar policy of sitting on the fence, just like his disastrous Brexit stance at the last general election. It’s hardly the sort of leadership skills voters want to trust.”

Said to lockdown earlier: proven right
Said Brexit was bad: proven right
Insisted Corbyn not re-admitted while BoJo continues to employ a plethora of miscreants. The better leader???
305
01/12/2020 11:34:20 2 0
bbc
??????
01/12/2020 15:27:48 0 0
bbc
Lock-down has never been proven right, ask the WHO for a start. Then look at the data, assuming you aren't one of those pathetic creatures who need an expert to tell them 2+2 doesn't equal 5. As for Brexit, that has saved us from having to chip in to bail out Southern Europe, tho' to be fair, when I last heard, Poland & Hungary have saved everyone from chipping in by vetoing the rescue package.
15
01/12/2020 11:07:07 190 19
bbc
Wholly blaming a single behaviour/setting/group for everything wrong with the pandemic response is not only incorrect (as a combination of factors are responsible), it’s dangerous rhetoric in an already divided society.

I don’t like rule breaking, but I absolutely hate this systemic blame game, where the societal consequences of fighting amongst ourselves don’t bear thinking about.
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01/12/2020 11:10:50 12 29
bbc
Mmmm me thinks you are from that group that is behaving disgracefully and holds the country to ransom, pity they are not adult to realise it is their future they are ruining, all for a pint
903
01/12/2020 12:30:32 7 7
bbc
If you have evidence that drinking in pubs is the only thing spreading coronavirus then I would be glad to see it. Until then, it is just sanctimonious grandstanding
14
01/12/2020 11:06:49 13 25
bbc
"But with both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote, the measures are expected to pass."

--

Labour and SNP constantly criticise the UK government yet when given the opportunity to vote on their handling of the pandemic they shrug their shoulders and say "we don't know".

Absolutely pathetic.
63
01/12/2020 11:11:38 0 7
bbc
Both labour and SNP have made a total pigs ear in their areas, and by abstaining it means the tiers will be voted through without any problem
64
01/12/2020 11:11:47 33 4
bbc
Does anyone know what Michael Gove actually does. Give me 3 bullet point
103
01/12/2020 11:16:36 41 2
bbc
- Piff
- Waffle
- Sanctomy
148
01/12/2020 11:20:24 5 0
bbc
Annoyed Teachers
Annoyed peers
Scoffs at us minions
210
01/12/2020 11:22:56 4 10
bbc
Can't do bullet points but:

1.legally representing the Crown as Duke of Lancaster.
2. Responsibility for no-deal Brexit preparations, as well as overseeing constitutional affairs
3.Annoying the heck out of Lefties & Remainers.
01/12/2020 18:23:12 0 0
bbc
Nothing important. .boris puppet. .just wants media attention. .thats a rap????
8
01/12/2020 11:05:23 137 74
bbc
England in National Lockdown

England in Local Lockdown Tears

Jobs lost, businesses bust and the pandemic has killed tens of thousands

2020 – The Year of the Tragic Bozo the Clown
65
01/12/2020 11:12:28 13 6
bbc
Wales in complete lockdown again, no pubs open, Labour have made a complete mess of their areas
203
01/12/2020 11:25:14 2 2
bbc
Not like tory england who have done the best job ever....
66
01/12/2020 11:13:36 2 5
bbc
We need to keep up the pace, the lowing of cases is due to lockdown, keep the pace up till we get the vaccine and its provided to everyone.
67
01/12/2020 11:13:36 2 4
bbc
What is happening in other countries is the same as what's happening here people will mix even if they should not. They think I'm OK so why worry about others or its only the old that die. The government are fighting with each other just like when deciding what to do with brexit and we the ones who have kept safe are watching in disbelief as the NHS is at risk along with thousands of lives.
53
01/12/2020 11:11:33 2 5
bbc
Absolutely! What an act of craven cowardice. Party of the people they are not. At least Boris is prepared to put his neck on the political block, even if most people don't agree with him. I'm definitely voting LibDem next time.
68
01/12/2020 11:13:44 5 3
bbc
You do realise the LibDems are abstaining too???
69
01/12/2020 11:13:45 3 4
bbc
Oh dear dear dear dear.........

More than 55 million people will enter the two toughest tiers from 00:01 GMT on Wednesday....

How miserable, looks like this Christmas would be the deadest one in history - no shopping, no pubs, no restaurants......no turkeys for family gathering ????

So happy I managed having fled this Sept from the choking COVID UK for China where you can go out for everything
138
01/12/2020 11:19:44 4 3
bbc
Oooh could you pass on our thanks for causing this global pandemic while you are there?
166
01/12/2020 11:22:13 4 0
bbc
Yeah, but watch out for the tanks, if you dare to criticise the Government.
429
01/12/2020 11:45:16 0 0
bbc
Said like a true humanitarian , lover of free speech and advocate of human rights.
34
01/12/2020 11:09:05 13 16
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Politicians from any party are never accountable for any decision ... it's one of the qualities required in the job description.

As you don't like the Tories solution what's your answer, preferably without the benefit of hindsight ?

Let me guess, you have none, but everything the government does is wrong.

Every government worldwide is doing the same - are they all wrong ?
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01/12/2020 11:13:47 20 9
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Not spaff £12b on a failed track & trace provided by a firm who have previous form for ripping off the taxpayer (Serco)

Not let infected pensioners back into care homes killing thousands avoidably

Not ignoring all warnings from Italy & China

Not refusing to attend 5 Cobra meetings

Not championing 'Super Saturday', instructing people it was their 'patriotic duty' to go to the pub

For starters
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01/12/2020 11:22:54 11 5
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Add to that list: Not allowing all those returning holidaymakers, etc in March to walk in untested and then scatter throughout the country

Not stopping al but essential flights into the country

Not allowing thousands of boat people from France to enter the country untested and then spreading them throughout the nation.

You wonder of they really want to get rid of the virus at all or spread it.
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01/12/2020 11:30:13 9 1
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How about learning from Operation Cygnus and ensuring that supplies of PPE are available in advance of a pandemic (it can be issued and replaced with new kit when getting close to end of shelf life)? Maybe have established contracts & frame agreements with bona fide suppliers set up in advance instead of just handing out money to chums? Put someone with competence & experience in charge of T&T.
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01/12/2020 11:13:49 18 12
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So for those people who don't understand, here's an explanation for you.

1. If Labour votes with the Government, it means they agree with their strategy, which they don't.

2. If Labour votes against the Government, there will be no restrictions, and Labour believes this will cost lives.

Therefore the only responsible thing they can do is to abstain.

Hope this helps.
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01/12/2020 11:17:09 5 8
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Very long winded way of telling us Labour are a protest party.
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01/12/2020 11:17:47 3 2
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"Cost lives" Wake up man!! How is abstaining responsible? There all spineless career prostitutes and care about no one.
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01/12/2020 11:33:08 3 1
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We can always rely on the DFS test pilot to come up with a patronising explanation.
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01/12/2020 11:13:55 8 13
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"both Labour and the SNP abstaining from the vote" Disgusting. None of the political leaders are fit for purpose and should be removed from power. Spineless, career prostitutes.
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01/12/2020 11:20:17 4 0
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Nah. It's the Tories mess, let them own it. Besides, the SNP shouldn't vote on English only issues. I mean, it's hilarious when they do, but they really shouldn't.
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01/12/2020 11:09:49 154 54
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"WE NEED TO PROTECT YOUR HEALTH!"
(And our mate's who provide PPE)

"But what about the evidence..."

"WE ARE PROTECTING YOU!"
(And our mate's who have shares in vaccines labs)

"But what about the industries like hospitality that these tiers are going to DESTROY?"

"WE ARE PROTECTING YOUR GRANNY!"
(And those 'experts' who will get grants and gongs)

"And why is it the North?"

"WHERE?"
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01/12/2020 11:13:57 85 38
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well said that man the whole thing is a con.
01/12/2020 12:58:22 3 1
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The virus is not a con, not a joke at all: it is deadly.

The "joke" as such is the way in which our so-called government is dealing with the issues. Contracts for contacts, jobs for old school chums and their partners, breaking the rules when they feel like it, etc., etc.

Still, why worry about how many more millions they are taking from us to enrich themselves? We are but their cannon fodder.
01/12/2020 14:46:19 1 2
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Tell that to my friend Kevin.. who caught Covid from one of his patients.. actually you can't because it killed him... and thousands of medical staff worldwide.... The cons are those who try to wish this thing away with ignorant stupid statements.
01/12/2020 18:03:39 0 0
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No.
It is used to con people.
Proper measures at onset and we would be out of trouble, but there would be no money in for conman.
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01/12/2020 11:09:29 12 10
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It’s not about a virus anymore, it’s about control
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01/12/2020 11:13:58 0 0
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neh.....it's about having power, and not knowing what to do with it
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01/12/2020 11:14:00 8 8
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Vote the tiers down, they are causing more damage than the virus. The Government and their scientists are too heavily invested in lockdown and restrictions. They are not seeing the big picture.
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01/12/2020 11:14:03 14 4
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I would love to hear from someone who thinks this government is doing a stellar job managing this pandemic.

It would be great if you could set out the reasons why and how these restrictions have worked.
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01/12/2020 11:14:10 451 80
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The Government said that they would base their decisions on the science. They haven't, and the casualties are people's lives, the economy and civil liberties.
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01/12/2020 11:43:40 123 34
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Nobody see the science, its a week out of date, because its a close shop.
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01/12/2020 11:50:08 10 6
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Something tells me to expect a third wave in January, followed by a financial crash as the money runs out...
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01/12/2020 11:57:37 37 2
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For goodness sake, there is no such thing as 'the science' and there never has been.

There is scientific opinion, and it's as varied and divergent as scientists themselves.

If we had intelligent journalists in this country they'd have debunked this 'following the science' nonsense back in March
01/12/2020 15:14:35 9 1
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What the hell is 'the' science?
01/12/2020 15:19:50 8 0
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Science is not always black or white. That is a myth spread by ecowarriors.
01/12/2020 15:40:03 10 1
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See Public health england:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/938964/Coronavirus_England_briefing_26_November.pdf

On Page 8:
No rigid thresholds have been set because the key indicators need to be viewed in the context of how they interact with each-other as well as the wider context.

This is politics hiding behind "science".
01/12/2020 16:50:40 0 1
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Well Mr Armchair expert do you have any better decisions? Suggestions?
01/12/2020 16:54:54 0 2
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What do people want, seems they want it all but that is not the real world. Shall we kill 1000’s of innocents, save the pubs & high street even as most people in the UK are living beyond their means. How an earth is there a propety boom in these times? The whole UK financial model is crazy with a lot of people asking for help but house sales boom? Time for a reset now & quickly, parity for all.
01/12/2020 17:11:18 4 0
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I'm not following anything they say anymore. I'll be socially disobedient and see my friends and family. Closing places down won't help, people will just meet in homes.
01/12/2020 18:50:35 0 0
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Never heard so much rubbish in my life.We are seriously trying to save lives.Real people’s lives.Someone’s friend, brother sister, mother, father, cousin.Life is more important than anything else in my book.
01/12/2020 20:46:07 0 0
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"The Government said that they would base their decisions on the science. They haven't"

Who would have imagined this Govt lying?

Oh that's right, everyone.
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01/12/2020 11:11:33 2 5
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Absolutely! What an act of craven cowardice. Party of the people they are not. At least Boris is prepared to put his neck on the political block, even if most people don't agree with him. I'm definitely voting LibDem next time.
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01/12/2020 11:14:11 8 2
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"At least Boris is prepared to put his neck on the political block"

He's the Prime Minister! Of course he has to! Dont make out like it is a special effort on his part.
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01/12/2020 11:03:33 18 30
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If the so-called future of the UK (Uni students) and the pointless demonstrators
started behaving then maybe such strict tiers wouldn’t be needed.
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01/12/2020 11:14:18 6 7
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Well said.
I see students going to college round my way and they are biggest d-heads I've ever seen, even before Lockdown.
They just can't get it into their thick skulls that the whole universe don't revolve around them.

Hashtag outraged the lot of em if you dare criticise them and they'll be straight on social media in their me me me me forums with carefully edited pictures and videos as well.
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01/12/2020 11:14:25 74 48
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Why blame Labour for abstaining? Johnson's mess, let him own it.
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01/12/2020 11:17:39 38 25
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Exactly.
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01/12/2020 11:27:41 15 3
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They are MPs elected to represent their constituencies, for which they are extremely well remunerated. It is not their job to sit on their hands and do nothing. Abstaining is the coward's way out - have they no views or convictions? Have they stopped representing their voters? If they don't do their job they should be sacked and replaced by people who will. Can't be any shortage, surely.
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01/12/2020 11:28:06 14 8
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Because if your only response to one of the greatest challenges this country faces is to shrug your shoulders and say we don't have a view one way or another is quite frankly pathetic.

Starmer would be out of his depth in a puddle.
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01/12/2020 11:29:40 13 7
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If Labour abstain then then Kier has no role in Parliament, how can anyone vote for someone that sits on the fence, he could vote No and suggest alternatives. He is being paid by the taxpayer to be feckless.
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01/12/2020 11:28:46 9 2
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Defeating this virus needs everyone to be working together. Look at the Merseyside results after our Labour stronghold Mayors worked in collaboration with our Conservative Government. Gone from over 400/100,000 to 110/100,000. Secondly, don’t blame Johnson, blame the leaders in Beijing for this mess!
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01/12/2020 11:34:48 4 1
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In that case, given the Tories have a majority are you saying Labour shouldn't bother turning up at all and just let them get on with running the country?
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01/12/2020 11:34:54 7 3
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Because they are supposed to represent the wishes of their voters, not wimp out of every decision.
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01/12/2020 11:49:08 2 3
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because labour could sort this by voting against and deliver a KO blow to johnson - no wonder Johnson and his mates are running riot with no effective opposition. They're as bad as each other
01/12/2020 14:44:34 1 0
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because they are supposed to oppose, as we are forever being told, and had they done so perhaps some of the Tories now looking in horror at what lock-down is doing to the economy, may have been tempted to join them.
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01/12/2020 11:14:33 251 55
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The real scandal here is that despite throwing £bns of taxpayers money at their mates in SERCO & DELLOITE

Test & trace system is still non functional!

Without test & trace to get on top of new cases Johnson will keep stumbling the country in & out of lockdowns until next summer

Absolute disgrace
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01/12/2020 11:15:39 175 99
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Track and trace requires public co-operation and the public are not co-operating.
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01/12/2020 11:31:39 7 0
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I wish the huge stockpile of dodgy tests would hurry up and be used!
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01/12/2020 11:47:13 18 2
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Track and trace is just more smoke and mirrors invented to pretend to be doing something til the vaccine is rolled out
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01/12/2020 11:49:20 17 12
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The countries with decent track and trace are countries where the populace are compliant. You only need to read the posts on HYS every day to know that it is impossible for us to have a successful track and trace. The anti vaxxers, anti maskers, party goers etc, you think they're going to comply with T&T.?? They still use Cummings' trip as an excuse to do what they want. Community spirit..?? Pah.!
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01/12/2020 11:55:31 11 18
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Test and trace system won’t work as people are either giving wrong information/refuse to give information or ignoring the result. Only 40% are doing the right thing. That isn’t the governments fault it’s all our fault..
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01/12/2020 12:16:29 11 1
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In the WHO's comprehensive and evidence-based 2019 analysis of pandemic flu precautions (I know this isn't flu, but there are epidemiological similarities) , they clearly state that tracing is not recommended as it uses huge resources and there is little evidence of its effectiveness.

It also requires a minimum of 85% compliance - current estimate is 22% compliance.
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01/12/2020 12:22:25 6 1
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Test and trace is non functional in many countries, even Singapore gave up on it
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01/12/2020 12:31:44 0 0
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Not true. Worked well in my case and most others i have heard of.
01/12/2020 13:37:13 0 0
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can't see him stopping stumbling, or mumbling, or bumbling, anytime soon.
01/12/2020 15:26:50 1 0
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Test and trace is not working because people are afraid of losing their income if they are asked to isolate. In countries where it does work, those asked to isolate get full pay or very generous compensation if they can't work.
01/12/2020 15:34:43 0 0
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T&T is being abused by the many landlords and customers alike when last allowed open one pub by me had about 5 regulars with another 30 odd disappeared to a pub a mile away that did not give a toss!
01/12/2020 16:16:10 0 0
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Test and Trace is a complete waste of money and a falacy that it would ever work as a large proportion of the population will not download the app as we do not believe in the science.
01/12/2020 17:43:52 0 0
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who else should it be assigned to? Your business?
01/12/2020 18:08:29 0 0
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The real scandal is that there is no Conservative party, especially as conservatism is what the majority voted for by a large margin. None of the majority voted for wokeism, national self hatred etc Boris needs to man up and get with what he promised, wokeism in its rightful place, the dustbin.
01/12/2020 18:25:09 0 0
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It can't work at this level of infection, same in Germany.
01/12/2020 18:26:13 0 0
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Test and trace will not work because all my phones block non approved numbers, I have not had an accident, do not trust lawyers etc. and have better things to do than take calls from tossers trying to sell me something I don't want want, so I block all unknown numbers.
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01/12/2020 11:14:34 348 132
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How can you be in opposition , then abstain?

Labour showing their spineless stance yet again
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01/12/2020 11:16:05 149 62
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Everything isn't a binary choice.
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01/12/2020 11:18:29 10 5
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Well done, coming to the aid of a person who wouldn’t know truth if kicked him up the rear pipe.
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01/12/2020 11:29:36 37 13
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Totally agree.

You can't spend every waking minute criticising the UK government then abstain. It makes them look weak.
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01/12/2020 11:31:44 19 22
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I hate Labour , but why should they tarnish what little reputation they have left by jumping into bed with the Conservative clowns ? Johnson & co made this mess let ,them own it.
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01/12/2020 12:08:07 29 11
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If it all goes well Labour will try take credit for it and if it goes pear shaped they will say nothing to do with us. Easy to sit on the fence - nothing but political grandstanding.
Exactly! Brave Sir Keir ran away. As for the moron in charge of the Lib Dems his response to everything is a parrot squawk of 'Chaotic' - the only word he seems to know. Removed
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01/12/2020 12:17:03 22 12
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Labour have no backbone that’s why they lost election ???? still dealing with the Corbinista fallout stiil
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01/12/2020 12:24:43 8 8
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If you vote for it then you can not criticise the approach as you agreed to it once
if you vote against it and there is no alternative then there will be no restrictions and a potential 3rd wave for christmas which would be disastrous
Abstain and you leave all responsibility to the tories who should take full responsibility for this mess
01/12/2020 12:41:06 4 5
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LOL Absolutely perfect deflecting again, so people won't scrutinise this shambles of a govt!
It seems that Tories are absolutely fine to vote against their own party to suit their own ends but a party with no real power must also do what a Tory decides as well, perfect logic there lol
Bozo will be voted out as soon as covid is over, but will be fully backed by Tory hypocrisy in the mean time...
01/12/2020 12:44:38 3 2
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Thats all they have done in the last 10 years.
01/12/2020 12:47:57 11 9
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You clearly don't understand. If they vote with for a policy they generally oppose they look weak. If they vote against then all the right wing press, commentators and fanboys start popping veins. By abstaining they are saying that what the tories propose is their mess and their mess only. It's a very well thought and intelligent choice: bozo loses more credibility by not being able to unify.
01/12/2020 13:03:34 4 2
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I agree. It's as good as voting for the measures. They have spines made out of pure jelly.
01/12/2020 13:16:05 3 4
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It's not spineless. If Labour voted against it, they'd be accused of playing party politics and Tory backbenchers would vote in support to stop Labour winning. If Labour voted in support of it, they'd be accused of letting down people on the left and not challenging the Tories on the concerns that localities have. By abstaining, Labour leave it within the internal politics of the Tories.
01/12/2020 13:26:21 3 6
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Easy. With a House of Commons majority of around 78 now, let the Tories sort out their own mess. They are suffering from Brexit tunnel vision so badly to the point of ignoring the wellbeing of 65 million Brits.

If they screw up then ownership of the virus death toll will be theirs alone. Let them deal with that in 4 years time.
01/12/2020 13:48:24 2 4
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Utter tosh. Labour know full well that restrictions are required but also are fully aware of how badly this government has handled the pandemic from day one. The Tories have not tried to work with the opposition and then blatantly lie that they simply follow the science. By abstaining they allow the tier system to get passed. Better than no restrictions at all is their view
01/12/2020 14:09:36 1 1
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If Labour oppose the tier system then the 'rebels' could cause the government to be defeated. We would then be left with absolutely no 'rules', everything could open, people could do what they liked, because the lockdown legislation will have expired. By abstaining Labour can demonstrate its disapproval of the tier system without risking having no legislation at all.
01/12/2020 15:37:25 1 1
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The opposition has stopped giving Boris the benefit of the doubt. If they oppose the proposed measures and the government loses then the better part of the plan will be lost. Starmer set out a coherent critique of the mess the government has got itself into, particularly over test and trace. Boris has not sorted this out so bigger problems, of the government's own making, will follow.
01/12/2020 16:17:07 1 2
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Abstaining isn't sitting on the fence - it is allowing the government to get their way, in the interest of the country, without specifically backing it. It means "we agree that you need to do this thing but we would like it done differently". If they vote against with the Tory rebels then it says "we don't think you should do this thing". Grown up politics unlike childish comments.
01/12/2020 16:21:26 0 1
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You obviously think everything is black or white, vote against there could be enough votes that we end up with no restrictions, that is not how Labour want it to be. So no choice.
01/12/2020 16:59:12 1 0
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Utterly spineless
01/12/2020 17:12:36 1 0
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Labour are a joke. There is uproar in the country and where is the voice of opposition. NOWHERE.
01/12/2020 17:56:44 0 0
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Not sure this is labours problem to solve.
you fail to understand mate, Firstly the Torys have an 80 seat majority so what the opposition do is completly irreverent. Secondly much of this mess was directly caused blustering Boris and the Terrible Torys. Its important that they and only they own it. Its similar to the bare bones Brexit deal Boris will pass. Its important labour abstain, that way the mess belongs to the Torys and no one else
01/12/2020 18:22:23 0 1
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Tories would have done the same if they were in opposition, it's a pity they are not as they are a disaster in government
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01/12/2020 11:09:47 14 20
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Cowardly Labour abstaining.

Sitting on the fence as usual so they can complain no matter what happens.

Useless
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01/12/2020 11:14:35 7 0
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This disaster is all of the CON parties making...……..own it. Worse Covid death rate in Europe. Most money spent (given to cronies/chums) in Europe. Worse expected recovery. All CON party nothing to do with Labour.
Tiers of a clown is still in charge
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01/12/2020 11:14:36 16 10
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Why is always right wingers opposing lockdown and wearing masks to keep people safe? It was like this with seat belts and smoking - infringement of liberties. And being reported all the time. Farage says he doesnt want lock down and people listen to him and don't keep to the rules. Johnson dithers because he wants to be liked
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01/12/2020 11:22:19 3 0
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You're so wrong. I'm very left-wing and oppose lockdowns and restrictions because they are causing enormous economic damage, causing a surge of relapses for alcohol and drug problems, causing mental health problems, causing unemployment, causing a huge rise in domestic violence.
01/12/2020 13:52:39 0 0
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To be fair most people involved in these illegal raves are partying in university halls are young Lefty Labour supporters. See how easy it is to group people
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01/12/2020 11:07:31 16 10
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So Labour have made their minds up then....to be undecided and abstain. Still, it's good to know where Her Majesty's Opposition stand.
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01/12/2020 11:14:37 8 4
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Hedging their bets, sitting on the fence, playing politics. All apply.
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01/12/2020 11:09:29 8 17
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Can’t wait for hindsight Starmer to wade in with his I told you so just now.
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01/12/2020 11:14:56 5 2
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Everyone is telling Boris I told you so. Even within his own party.
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01/12/2020 11:08:10 40 24
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People are saying because numbers are going down then we don't need tiers.

The numbers are going down because of lockdown. If we don't have tiers then the numbers will go up again.

We need a quick direct route to getting the numbers down not some yo-yo approach that keeps dragging things out.
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01/12/2020 11:15:04 46 2
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I live in an area with a lower rate/100k than the Isle of Wight, and yet I'm in tier 2. Why on earth have they stuck the vast majority of us into more restrictive measures when numerically there is no need?

The cynical part of me thinks its so Johnson can magically lift us into tier 1 after grinding us down so much that we are eternally grateful for any scrap of mercy, forgetting who put us there
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01/12/2020 11:13:21 3 6
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Parliament, and many of the so called "health experts" have absolutely no idea just how far they have got out of touch with reality.
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01/12/2020 11:15:12 6 5
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Remember just because you cannot see the flames does not mean the fire is out,it can soon rekindle and flare up again. This virus is far from over but if we ALL follow common sense guidelines then surely we will win the battle,but it just needs one spark to reignite..
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01/12/2020 11:18:54 1 0
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Ignorance is bliss.
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01/12/2020 11:23:57 0 0
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We will never be able to erradicate this virus look at things like TB, Smallpox, Polio. Luckily it's got a high survival rate, we need to learn to live with it.
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01/12/2020 11:15:20 12 16
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Well done Labour for abandoning those who voted for you. Might as well vote for Tier three - Cowards.
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01/12/2020 11:09:14 10 8
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Perhaps you could explain France; Belgium; Italy; Spain and Scotland to us?
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01/12/2020 11:15:21 2 9
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Chinas doing all right. 1.5 billion no covid
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01/12/2020 11:19:39 9 0
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Who knows whats going on in China . Its not as if western media outlets are able to to you.
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01/12/2020 11:54:14 3 1
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They are most likely hiding something like they did with covid.
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01/12/2020 11:14:33 251 55
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The real scandal here is that despite throwing £bns of taxpayers money at their mates in SERCO & DELLOITE

Test & trace system is still non functional!

Without test & trace to get on top of new cases Johnson will keep stumbling the country in & out of lockdowns until next summer

Absolute disgrace
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01/12/2020 11:15:39 175 99
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Track and trace requires public co-operation and the public are not co-operating.
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01/12/2020 11:17:09 24 7
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Neither are the government
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01/12/2020 11:31:23 30 0
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With what? I am a member of the public. With what exactly am I expected to co-operate? Since Day 1 of this pandemic I have had no contact from any health organisation and I am by age "vulnerable" (although apparently quite healthy now). So what exactly should I be doing?
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01/12/2020 11:51:37 7 6
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Correct, and everyone including the old duffers take no notice of social distancing when they are shopping. Biggest paths of transmission are supermarkets and school kids giving it to the grandparents.
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01/12/2020 11:59:30 11 0
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I would happily download the app but my phone is not compatible with my current iPhone as I need IOS 13.5 or better to download Andy use. Just shows that many people won’t be able to use it.
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01/12/2020 12:07:15 9 1
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Can’t organise a p in a brewery oops there closed
01/12/2020 12:51:57 2 3
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Ah, but now we hear that this government wants to link vaccine passports to test and trace. Gone is anonymity regardless of what they might claim.

Gone too is any semblence of this being for the greater good when they hint that people who are not vaccinated will have fewer rights. Should we just wear a distinctive badge to ensure those who want to know who is not vaccinated can easily tell?
Bob
01/12/2020 13:00:35 4 1
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"Track and trace requires public co-operation and the public are not co-operating."

Who would have guessed that they wouldn't co-operate with a system that still hasn't been built, by a company linked to stealing personal data, from an incompetent government who can't obey their own rules, lie to the public, and give billions to their mates?
01/12/2020 13:01:29 4 4
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Rubbish, test and trace is not fit for purpose because it's being administered by people (tory chums) with zero experience in the field.
There are local authority test & trace experts already in situ but the Tories decided to deliberatly ignore them and go down their Private 'crony' Tory donor / chum route and waste tens of billions in the process

They've made the UK as bad as any banana republic
Sweeping statement. I'd say you need to get out more and stop believing everything you read in the Daily Fail or watch on the idiot box. However I doubt you have had to work during the pandemic. Raking in my cash on furlough. Removed
01/12/2020 14:16:34 3 1
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It's difficult to co-operate with a government that's run by a habitual liar & swindler.
01/12/2020 15:58:58 1 0
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Because Bunter and his cronies have "lost the dressing room" I put it in football parlance to make it easy for you....
01/12/2020 16:09:38 0 0
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Then surely the government are responsible for looking at why the public aren't co-operating and seeing what can be done to change this. You make it sound as if the government are powerless. If the system isn't working we need to know why.
01/12/2020 16:25:27 0 0
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Speak for yourself some are just not all.I registered, Someone in the house contacted COVID in their care home, I had a txt within 2 minutes telling me to self isolate.
01/12/2020 16:31:53 1 0
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When the government's own advisors don't then why should the public?
01/12/2020 16:39:10 0 0
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Track and trace was useless from the beginning. Boris is afraid to sack his colleagues. This is why we have a PM that lacks power.
01/12/2020 16:55:47 1 0
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The public cannot afford to cooperate on £13 a day ssp for isolating for 14 days.
01/12/2020 17:01:54 0 0
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can you blame them?
01/12/2020 17:14:23 0 0
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The public are not going to co-operate with much going forwards. I certainly won't. Everywhere is shut, I'll see friends and family in homes. Time to overthrow the government.
01/12/2020 18:08:01 0 0
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Track and Trace is useless - a member of my family was told they had tested positive 10 days after the test - when the quarentine period was already up
02/12/2020 10:46:27 0 0
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They are not co-operating because the system does not work. We should of just copied what Korea, Vietnam etc had in place, seeing as they have dealt with Mers and Sars and have such low deaths seeing as they share a border with the country of origin but noooooo we had to go for a 'world beating', unproven system that has fallen short of the mark. People aren't as stupid as you think they are.
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01/12/2020 11:07:07 190 19
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Wholly blaming a single behaviour/setting/group for everything wrong with the pandemic response is not only incorrect (as a combination of factors are responsible), it’s dangerous rhetoric in an already divided society.

I don’t like rule breaking, but I absolutely hate this systemic blame game, where the societal consequences of fighting amongst ourselves don’t bear thinking about.
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01/12/2020 11:15:43 18 2
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Exactly how I feel BWhit480...more of the same old 'divide and rule'. Lose your job/lose your life there's usually your opposite number crowing about it...shamefully managed this way.
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01/12/2020 11:38:55 11 7
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And yet here we are, the angry northerners on here spewing vitriol to anyone who lives in the South, as apparently we're all enemy number one. The amount that the tories have managed to brainwash the north into hating us is terrifying. We're ALL getting screwed over by this lousy government.
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Ian
01/12/2020 11:07:38 20 9
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Why was Boris in Wales, surely he should have been turned back his trip was not essential!!. No wonder we are in this mess.
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01/12/2020 11:15:46 9 0
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I think Drakeford should shoulder responsibility for that . If you are complaining about the draconian measures in England you should try try living in Wales.
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01/12/2020 11:09:47 14 20
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Cowardly Labour abstaining.

Sitting on the fence as usual so they can complain no matter what happens.

Useless
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01/12/2020 11:15:48 1 0
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The usual Tory excuse for their own incompetence; "but Labour...". Tories. So cowardly.
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01/12/2020 11:16:01 6 16
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Once again Starmless says he supports the Government but refuses to vote for the motion.

Typical Labour, always playing Party Politics
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01/12/2020 11:19:20 7 1
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Because it's just another stupid Tory policy. He's given Bozo plenty of chances. Boris has failed every time.
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01/12/2020 11:23:50 1 0
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Typical Tory always leading with childish name calling, rather than any actual arguments or valid points!??
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01/12/2020 11:30:14 0 0
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"Typical Labour, always playing Party Politics"

And this is different to the muppets in blue, how?

After all, they are both political parties, or did that escape your notice...
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01/12/2020 11:40:28 0 0
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Considering Labour are a political party, isn't that what they're supposed to do? Meaningless tabloid cliché.
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01/12/2020 11:09:29 8 17
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Can’t wait for hindsight Starmer to wade in with his I told you so just now.
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01/12/2020 11:16:03 1 0
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sad comment Barley. You think he should issue forecasts of what right wingers should do? The thing being about you abusing him so personally indicates he's accurate
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01/12/2020 11:09:29 8 17
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Can’t wait for hindsight Starmer to wade in with his I told you so just now.
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01/12/2020 11:16:04 1 0
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As opposed to captain u-turn?
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01/12/2020 11:14:34 348 132
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How can you be in opposition , then abstain?

Labour showing their spineless stance yet again
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01/12/2020 11:16:05 149 62
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Everything isn't a binary choice.
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01/12/2020 11:20:00 15 10
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It's is for stupid people.
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01/12/2020 11:29:33 34 8
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Yet the public still vote Tory or Labour. In any case, no-one votes for an overpaid, cossetted MP to abstain - that is NOT their job. If all 650 abstained, nothing at all would ever happen! We pay them to represent constituencies, not sit on their hands and do nothing.
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01/12/2020 11:56:21 27 15
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sorry but this is - abdication is a cowards way out of actually making a decision and standing by it. However wrong Johnson and co. are at least they have the backbone to make a decision and stand by it. I hope when this all goeas horribly wrong and the high streets are decimated people also remember that the OPPOSITION could have stopped it but chose the safety of abstention..
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01/12/2020 12:21:03 5 0
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Let it be a free vote
01/12/2020 13:13:26 2 2
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sadly, the ref was.
And look what happened. Advisory too.
Just as Cummings was just an advisor.
01/12/2020 15:03:02 0 0
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True for Labour there is usually no choice, they sit on the fence. Do you think Labour leaders are only elected if they sign a pledge not to upset the 57 varieties of member they have?
01/12/2020 17:51:15 0 0
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It is when it comes to voting for or against something
01/12/2020 18:03:54 1 0
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Agreed, not everything yet there is a binary choice forced on us by the wokeists who won’t listen to an opposite opinion who won’t allow people free speech and want this country to forget about patriotism and the liberal values we hold dear.
01/12/2020 18:20:38 1 0
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Really? I suppose "Er, I dunno..." is a position, but not an OPposition, is it?
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01/12/2020 11:16:09 7 4
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Bozo is out of his depth and Labour and the SNP are sitting on the fence when it suits them. A national cross-party COVID committee working in a non partisan way and for the good of all should have been set up months ago. All we have is schoolboy politics at a time of national emergency. Shame on our self-serving politicians!
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01/12/2020 11:20:16 2 3
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Yes, Boris should set up another team of scientific advisors to critique Sage’s recommendations. He’s been effectively conned by Sages blinkered approach since the start of the epidemic.


The national crisis is largely if the govts/Sages own making.
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01/12/2020 11:37:44 1 0
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I live in Scotland and hate the SNP more than most but to be fair they should abstain on an England only matter.