Alliance of Tours poses more questions
30/11/2020 | sport | golf | 59
The collaboration of the European and PGA Tours would appear to make plenty of sense but what it actually means for players and fans is still unclear, writes Iain Carter.
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30/11/2020 18:51:28 3 3
bbc
In the middle of a pandemic seems a strange time to be introducing a world golf tour. Personally I would be really happy if I could manage a tour to my local supermarket.
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01/12/2020 15:36:15 0 1
bbc
ET is going broke with cancellation of Ryder Cup.
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30/11/2020 19:22:56 9 1
bbc
Very hard to see how this could possibly be good for either the European Tour or golf fans, especially those who enjoy a bit of variety from identikit resort courses every week.

The European season has already been squeezed into autumn/winter (aside from a couple of weeks in July) by the PGA Tour and this seems like they are simply looking to exert further control over the schedule.
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01/12/2020 11:01:25 1 9
bbc
There is just as much, possibly more variety on the PGA Tour. As the season moves on each swing has its own characteristics.

Most of the European courses look as dull as dish water with the only ones that look remotely interesting being the links courses here (3 events a year?) and the Australian courses (hardly Europe).

Anything moving towards a full World Tour can only be a good thing.
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30/11/2020 21:08:51 6 21
bbc
You only need to look at the absolute dross on show week in, week out on the European Tour to see that it's a dead duck. It's already essentially operating at the level of the challenge tour, giving those not good enough to get into the proper events somewhere to play.
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01/12/2020 13:33:52 0 0
bbc
Get what you're saying but being a bit unfair on the ET? Whilst not top ranked world players playing week in / week out there's still a great standard of golf being played. That much money in the game that top players will only really come out to get themselves ready for the Majors - can't fault them for that, just way it is.
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01/12/2020 13:35:19 6 0
bbc
Have you tried to qualify for the dross tour? No doubt you'd be European no1 in no time.
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30/11/2020 21:25:04 3 9
bbc
Very exciting times in golf, what with this, and the fact that Northern Ireland's Stephanie Meadow from Jordanstown has found a new putter, or is it an old putter? and is starting to play some half decent golf.
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30/11/2020 21:45:14 8 1
bbc
What happened Pelley's farcical Disco six hole team extravaganza ?
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30/11/2020 22:47:09 4 3
bbc
Never took off and wish Pelley would. There must be a Brit to run ET?
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30/11/2020 22:52:28 1 1
bbc
Too much US domination and PGA tour is just as mind numbing as ET.
Can't fathom why sponsors throw so much $€£ away. So many far more fabulous championship courses world wide
Maybe World Tour should embrace everywhere except USA and we turn our backs on the circus.
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30/11/2020 21:45:14 8 1
bbc
What happened Pelley's farcical Disco six hole team extravaganza ?
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30/11/2020 22:47:09 4 3
bbc
Never took off and wish Pelley would. There must be a Brit to run ET?
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01/12/2020 17:03:42 1 0
bbc
He should go home and join his compatriot Carney.
5
30/11/2020 21:45:14 8 1
bbc
What happened Pelley's farcical Disco six hole team extravaganza ?
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30/11/2020 22:52:28 1 1
bbc
Too much US domination and PGA tour is just as mind numbing as ET.
Can't fathom why sponsors throw so much $€£ away. So many far more fabulous championship courses world wide
Maybe World Tour should embrace everywhere except USA and we turn our backs on the circus.
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01/12/2020 08:48:14 7 3
bbc
IF there is an amalgamation it will be interesting to see how the big hitting yanks manage real golf courses with twists and turns. When accuracy is needed and the brain has to be used instead of brawn.
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Si
01/12/2020 12:34:17 2 1
bbc
As much of what they play on in Europe is American design I don't think it will bother them much.
I think they will show up most for the tournaments in the middle East with rather large appearance fees.
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01/12/2020 10:23:08 1 12
bbc
Always important to hear the thoughts of Paul MacGinley and look forward alot to seeing Adare Manor in Ireland.
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01/12/2020 11:19:41 8 1
bbc
All McGinley talks about is statistics not GOLF
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01/12/2020 10:31:52 15 7
bbc
I would hazard a guess that the great majority of golfers dont give a monkeys. They are more concerned about their own club and its course conditions, slow play, food on offer, the list is endless.

Professional golf is a sideshow to most.
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01/12/2020 12:44:32 7 6
bbc
well said. Golf is in real danger of going down the failed tennis and F1 route as must see TV. Golf has a chance to buck the trend and return to free tv to appeal to all. Golf has seen an uptake in numbers of players albeit due to circumstances and a chance to build on that with tv viewing for all.
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30/11/2020 19:22:56 9 1
bbc
Very hard to see how this could possibly be good for either the European Tour or golf fans, especially those who enjoy a bit of variety from identikit resort courses every week.

The European season has already been squeezed into autumn/winter (aside from a couple of weeks in July) by the PGA Tour and this seems like they are simply looking to exert further control over the schedule.
11
01/12/2020 11:01:25 1 9
bbc
There is just as much, possibly more variety on the PGA Tour. As the season moves on each swing has its own characteristics.

Most of the European courses look as dull as dish water with the only ones that look remotely interesting being the links courses here (3 events a year?) and the Australian courses (hardly Europe).

Anything moving towards a full World Tour can only be a good thing.
9
01/12/2020 10:23:08 1 12
bbc
Always important to hear the thoughts of Paul MacGinley and look forward alot to seeing Adare Manor in Ireland.
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01/12/2020 11:19:41 8 1
bbc
All McGinley talks about is statistics not GOLF
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01/12/2020 12:04:27 14 1
bbc
Long thought that golf's structure should mirror the ATP & tennis - Majors, a bigger set of global WGC style events like the ATP Masters, and clearly defined Category 1, 2, 3 events, and lower levels aligned to geographies with clear ranking levels permitted in each level of event. Wrapped up with a global year end event. Much easier to follow and how the top players schedule themselves anyway.
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01/12/2020 08:48:14 7 3
bbc
IF there is an amalgamation it will be interesting to see how the big hitting yanks manage real golf courses with twists and turns. When accuracy is needed and the brain has to be used instead of brawn.
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Si
01/12/2020 12:34:17 2 1
bbc
As much of what they play on in Europe is American design I don't think it will bother them much.
I think they will show up most for the tournaments in the middle East with rather large appearance fees.
10
01/12/2020 10:31:52 15 7
bbc
I would hazard a guess that the great majority of golfers dont give a monkeys. They are more concerned about their own club and its course conditions, slow play, food on offer, the list is endless.

Professional golf is a sideshow to most.
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01/12/2020 12:44:32 7 6
bbc
well said. Golf is in real danger of going down the failed tennis and F1 route as must see TV. Golf has a chance to buck the trend and return to free tv to appeal to all. Golf has seen an uptake in numbers of players albeit due to circumstances and a chance to build on that with tv viewing for all.
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01/12/2020 12:49:14 8 7
bbc
Isn't the European Tour just used to qualify to go on the PGA tour anyway ?
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01/12/2020 15:33:23 1 0
bbc
Miri jaws is 2nd on Race to Dubai and has never set foot in a ET event. Hope someone tells him where Dubai is!
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GY
01/12/2020 13:01:34 14 1
bbc
An idea would be to take one of the Majors - the US PGA and play it around the world - rotate the venue every year between mainland Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas (Exc USA).
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01/12/2020 13:49:36 4 0
bbc
A genuinely great idea but I can imagine there are those in the higher echelons of the USGA who would only have it played on the frozen plains of hell!
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01/12/2020 15:28:59 0 0
bbc
The issue being that the US PGA Championship allows any US Professional golfer to try and qualify, it is the USPGA. Similar to the PGA Championsip @ Wentworth for us PGA. Whether the club pro could afford to travel is the problem. We talk about a 5th Major with the TPC. I am sure we will see a Grand final event anyway.
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01/12/2020 19:17:14 0 0
bbc
By the very nature of the name, the US PGA Championship is the championship of The Professional Golfers of America as The PGA championship belongs to The PGA of the United Kingdom & Ireland. As having seen the growth the European Tour in the 50 years I have been a Professional lots of things have changed. 48 years ago the tour broke away for the players. I believe that the tours will be worldwide.
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HC
01/12/2020 13:04:00 11 1
bbc
Why does this make me suspicious? I hope I'm wrong but it smells of a sell out/Bail out by the Euro tour. The US will give very little, yet, they have so much, so, it could end up being a one-way partnership.
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01/12/2020 13:23:14 6 7
bbc
Should merge with the Womens tour too
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01/12/2020 13:26:29 10 2
bbc
One of the joys of watching golf is when a journeyman has his day and wins. These days will disappear!
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01/12/2020 13:43:42 3 3
bbc
Good point. Where will the 'Bob' MacIntyres of the game play now?
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01/12/2020 14:59:13 1 2
bbc
Sounds like a good thing to me. It's bad for golf when randoms like Michael Campbell and Lucas Glover have a random win then disappear.

Discredits the value of winning tournaments.
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30/11/2020 21:08:51 6 21
bbc
You only need to look at the absolute dross on show week in, week out on the European Tour to see that it's a dead duck. It's already essentially operating at the level of the challenge tour, giving those not good enough to get into the proper events somewhere to play.
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01/12/2020 13:33:52 0 0
bbc
Get what you're saying but being a bit unfair on the ET? Whilst not top ranked world players playing week in / week out there's still a great standard of golf being played. That much money in the game that top players will only really come out to get themselves ready for the Majors - can't fault them for that, just way it is.
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30/11/2020 21:08:51 6 21
bbc
You only need to look at the absolute dross on show week in, week out on the European Tour to see that it's a dead duck. It's already essentially operating at the level of the challenge tour, giving those not good enough to get into the proper events somewhere to play.
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01/12/2020 13:35:19 6 0
bbc
Have you tried to qualify for the dross tour? No doubt you'd be European no1 in no time.
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01/12/2020 13:49:26 5 0
bbc
Probably still playing with a persimmon driver he got at a car boot sale and Dunlop 65is...
Lol
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01/12/2020 13:26:29 10 2
bbc
One of the joys of watching golf is when a journeyman has his day and wins. These days will disappear!
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01/12/2020 13:43:42 3 3
bbc
Good point. Where will the 'Bob' MacIntyres of the game play now?
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01/12/2020 18:47:07 1 0
bbc
Careful there Bob may prove to be better than you think
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01/12/2020 13:35:19 6 0
bbc
Have you tried to qualify for the dross tour? No doubt you'd be European no1 in no time.
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01/12/2020 13:49:26 5 0
bbc
Probably still playing with a persimmon driver he got at a car boot sale and Dunlop 65is...
Lol
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GY
01/12/2020 13:01:34 14 1
bbc
An idea would be to take one of the Majors - the US PGA and play it around the world - rotate the venue every year between mainland Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas (Exc USA).
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01/12/2020 13:49:36 4 0
bbc
A genuinely great idea but I can imagine there are those in the higher echelons of the USGA who would only have it played on the frozen plains of hell!
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01/12/2020 14:18:53 4 1
bbc
Does the corporate speak stop this feeling more like a takeover than a merger?
Any Sport that distills itself down to the top of the pyramid holding all the power/money really needs to put checks & measures in place to ensure it's not to the detriment of grass roots. Check out English football where Prem call the shots & the FA is sidelined with the England team treated as a fly in the ointment?!
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01/12/2020 14:43:14 2 1
bbc
This sounds like the start of the PGA Tour being the Official "top tier" of golf (similar to the WGC events) with the Korn Ferry and European Tour sitting on an equal level below it.
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01/12/2020 16:44:46 0 1
bbc
The PGA Tour is already the top tier of golf, most of Europe's and ROW best players are already based in the states. If there is an upside to this it may mean seeing more bigger tournaments outside of the states with better representation. Moving the PGA Championship outside of the US may be another possibility.
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01/12/2020 13:26:29 10 2
bbc
One of the joys of watching golf is when a journeyman has his day and wins. These days will disappear!
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01/12/2020 14:59:13 1 2
bbc
Sounds like a good thing to me. It's bad for golf when randoms like Michael Campbell and Lucas Glover have a random win then disappear.

Discredits the value of winning tournaments.
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01/12/2020 15:09:54 4 2
bbc
It doesn't matter anymore, nothing matters anymore. Within 3 years everyone will be incased in carbonite & forced to watch women's football, while reciting the Commandments of C3PO.
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01/12/2020 16:59:24 3 1
bbc
I thought women’s football was already the most watched sport ? Well that’s if you believe the BBC sports website !
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01/12/2020 15:14:49 2 4
bbc
RISIBLE ARTICLE
There already is a world tour it is called the pgatour
Nobody is saying how much pgatour has paid for a seat on eurotour board
What is significant is that eurotour has not got a seat on pgatour board
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01/12/2020 15:18:17 2 11
bbc
Who cares? Dull past time.. ????
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01/12/2020 15:48:30 3 2
bbc
haha, you do, enough to visit and comment on the page.
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01/12/2020 16:17:57 4 2
bbc
Yes its almost as dull as internet trolling but golf does require a great deal more intelligence than your favoured activity.
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01/12/2020 15:27:14 4 3
bbc
Golf needs to be sped up before it can move forward, the game is just too slow
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01/12/2020 15:54:49 0 2
bbc
No. A fraction of players are too slow.
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GY
01/12/2020 13:01:34 14 1
bbc
An idea would be to take one of the Majors - the US PGA and play it around the world - rotate the venue every year between mainland Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas (Exc USA).
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01/12/2020 15:28:59 0 0
bbc
The issue being that the US PGA Championship allows any US Professional golfer to try and qualify, it is the USPGA. Similar to the PGA Championsip @ Wentworth for us PGA. Whether the club pro could afford to travel is the problem. We talk about a 5th Major with the TPC. I am sure we will see a Grand final event anyway.
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01/12/2020 15:30:34 2 1
bbc
I believe eventually European Tour will become a subsidiary of PGA Tour. ET is too dependent on Ryder Cup and rarely makes a profit outside of Ryder Cup years.
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01/12/2020 15:32:57 8 1
bbc
This will obviously benefit Pelley in some way. His salary is already four times the previous incumbents. As for McGinley, well he’s at best an average player who’s worked his way up the ladder by being a “yes” man.
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MHH
01/12/2020 15:58:37 8 1
bbc
carlo Agree re: McGinley, had the displeasure of being around him in the mid 90's when he had little to shout about. He was a slimy, arrogant twerp back then and I've seen nothing since to change my mind.
Removed
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01/12/2020 12:49:14 8 7
bbc
Isn't the European Tour just used to qualify to go on the PGA tour anyway ?
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01/12/2020 15:33:23 1 0
bbc
Miri jaws is 2nd on Race to Dubai and has never set foot in a ET event. Hope someone tells him where Dubai is!
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30/11/2020 18:51:28 3 3
bbc
In the middle of a pandemic seems a strange time to be introducing a world golf tour. Personally I would be really happy if I could manage a tour to my local supermarket.
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01/12/2020 15:36:15 0 1
bbc
ET is going broke with cancellation of Ryder Cup.
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01/12/2020 19:34:17 0 0
bbc
I think you find the proceeds go America when it is played in the USA. And to the European tour along with the PGA when it is in Europe
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01/12/2020 15:18:17 2 11
bbc
Who cares? Dull past time.. ????
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01/12/2020 15:48:30 3 2
bbc
haha, you do, enough to visit and comment on the page.
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01/12/2020 15:27:14 4 3
bbc
Golf needs to be sped up before it can move forward, the game is just too slow
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01/12/2020 15:54:49 0 2
bbc
No. A fraction of players are too slow.
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01/12/2020 15:32:57 8 1
bbc
This will obviously benefit Pelley in some way. His salary is already four times the previous incumbents. As for McGinley, well he’s at best an average player who’s worked his way up the ladder by being a “yes” man.
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MHH
01/12/2020 15:58:37 8 1
bbc
carlo Agree re: McGinley, had the displeasure of being around him in the mid 90's when he had little to shout about. He was a slimy, arrogant twerp back then and I've seen nothing since to change my mind.
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01/12/2020 16:01:30 2 1
bbc
Remember the golden rule. Who has the gold rules...
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01/12/2020 15:18:17 2 11
bbc
Who cares? Dull past time.. ????
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01/12/2020 16:17:57 4 2
bbc
Yes its almost as dull as internet trolling but golf does require a great deal more intelligence than your favoured activity.
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01/12/2020 16:26:36 5 3
bbc
"Former Ryder Cup captain Paul McGinley, a European Tour Board member, wrote for Sky Sports: "This is the first real big step in tying everything together, which is something that golf needs.""

Thanks Paul for another invaluable insight. A bigger step in tying everything together would be with your hair.
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01/12/2020 16:39:10 4 1
bbc
European tour needs to fight to keep the great courses on its schedule. Too many American courses are dull and uninspiring to watch players effectively play driver/ wedge/ putt
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01/12/2020 14:43:14 2 1
bbc
This sounds like the start of the PGA Tour being the Official "top tier" of golf (similar to the WGC events) with the Korn Ferry and European Tour sitting on an equal level below it.
45
01/12/2020 16:44:46 0 1
bbc
The PGA Tour is already the top tier of golf, most of Europe's and ROW best players are already based in the states. If there is an upside to this it may mean seeing more bigger tournaments outside of the states with better representation. Moving the PGA Championship outside of the US may be another possibility.
29
01/12/2020 15:09:54 4 2
bbc
It doesn't matter anymore, nothing matters anymore. Within 3 years everyone will be incased in carbonite & forced to watch women's football, while reciting the Commandments of C3PO.
46
01/12/2020 16:59:24 3 1
bbc
I thought women’s football was already the most watched sport ? Well that’s if you believe the BBC sports website !
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30/11/2020 22:47:09 4 3
bbc
Never took off and wish Pelley would. There must be a Brit to run ET?
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01/12/2020 17:03:42 1 0
bbc
He should go home and join his compatriot Carney.
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01/12/2020 17:11:18 0 2
bbc
jumbo pay checks "moderation is a fatal thing" new slogan for the pga tour
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01/12/2020 17:43:54 1 2
bbc
Can't wait to hear what Clarke, Harrington, MaclLroy, Lowry and MacDowell think about this.
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01/12/2020 20:13:29 1 2
bbc
Agreed! Lol ??
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no
01/12/2020 17:50:20 3 0
bbc
this is the death knell for any player not in the top 50in europe ,the americans and us based brits will flock over for the big rolex prizes and lower ranked european players will be left with the crumbs.
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01/12/2020 18:32:47 2 0
bbc
terrible decision,but all part of globalisation/one world agenda.
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01/12/2020 18:40:03 4 2
bbc
Golf is basically darts.

PGA tour = PDC
European Tour = BDO

Unfortunately all of the money is in the US and the Euro tour is a feeder tour with the top players all looking to move to the PGA.
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01/12/2020 13:43:42 3 3
bbc
Good point. Where will the 'Bob' MacIntyres of the game play now?
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01/12/2020 18:47:07 1 0
bbc
Careful there Bob may prove to be better than you think
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GY
01/12/2020 13:01:34 14 1
bbc
An idea would be to take one of the Majors - the US PGA and play it around the world - rotate the venue every year between mainland Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas (Exc USA).
54
01/12/2020 19:17:14 0 0
bbc
By the very nature of the name, the US PGA Championship is the championship of The Professional Golfers of America as The PGA championship belongs to The PGA of the United Kingdom & Ireland. As having seen the growth the European Tour in the 50 years I have been a Professional lots of things have changed. 48 years ago the tour broke away for the players. I believe that the tours will be worldwide.
35
01/12/2020 15:32:57 8 1
bbc
This will obviously benefit Pelley in some way. His salary is already four times the previous incumbents. As for McGinley, well he’s at best an average player who’s worked his way up the ladder by being a “yes” man.
Removed
37
01/12/2020 15:36:15 0 1
bbc
ET is going broke with cancellation of Ryder Cup.
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01/12/2020 19:34:17 0 0
bbc
I think you find the proceeds go America when it is played in the USA. And to the European tour along with the PGA when it is in Europe
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01/12/2020 19:36:54 2 1
bbc
@ The Belly Putter: Case in point. All the best European/International players just want to play on the PGA Tour.
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01/12/2020 17:43:54 1 2
bbc
Can't wait to hear what Clarke, Harrington, MaclLroy, Lowry and MacDowell think about this.
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01/12/2020 20:13:29 1 2
bbc
Agreed! Lol ??
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01/12/2020 22:05:47 0 0
bbc
I wonder if the sponsors gave their prize money contributions to the poor in Ethiopia and Sudan and there was not a tour but only the four majors, if the world would not be a better place, we would not have to worry about players hitting the ball huge distances, we would not be bored stiff by slow play on second rate courses in USA and the game for gentlemen could be restored.