Covid vaccine: Moderna seeks approval in US and Europe
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Regulators will decide if it is safe and effective enough to recommend for widespread use.
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Are they safe, what are the side effects these are the questions?
Safety will be assessed and monitored by the regulator. The assessors and regulator are completely independent from government in this country and indeed, the U.K. really is highly respected in this field.
Cannot believe all these stupid students in Nottingham raving together. Considering they are supposed to be intelligent they really haven’t got a brain cell between them. Rave now, get a positive test and force them to stay at uni for Xmas. Then watch them squeal like stuck pigs. Deserve everything they get.
I suggest expulsion or some similar punishment.
No tolerance for those involved.
No tolerance for those involved.
Chill Winston..... they have probably worked out that their chance of dying from COVID is less than dying from the normal flu for their age group. Many people didn't get the annual flu shot before COVID came along.
Probably all majoring political studies. That's a field where we need more people!
It is called freedom of choice. Their risk appetite is different from yours. I would suggest that you should take whatever steps you feel appropriate,,,and lead others to lead their lives as they wish.
Supposed to be intelligent? This is Nottingham University we’re talking about! ??
lol a student from notts here just to let u know we were all sick and depressed from staying inside with most of us having no human contact for weeks. THAT WAS THE BEST time I've had since the lockdown began. keep this energy please to people who are actually protesting against face masks and a lockdown. shake my head
They are intelligent enough not to believe the government's scaremongering. Like most bright people, they know that their chance of even suffering a little because of this virus is miniscule, so they are getting on with trying to enjoy their lives.
Those who spend their lives in fear never really live at all!
Those who spend their lives in fear never really live at all!
Even better idea - tell their parents they were one of the ones involved. Watch their faces as their own mother tells them to come back incase they infect their grandparent
We need to get this Vaccine out as soon as possible, but we also need to ensure that the risks of the Vaccine aren't greater than the risk of Covid. The obvious priority should be the vulnerable who already have high Covid risk.
Happily be at the front of the queue once these are given approval.....
Me too
Yup yup - then i'm off to an anti-vax get-together with a heavy, spluttering cough...well, if it doesn't exist [they are the same guys right?] they shouldn't mind, eh.....
Put me at the back then. I am not anti vax per se just not convinced the jabs have been tested enough
I'm happy for there to be legislation whereby once you've had the vaccination, you're free to enjoy society as normal.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Well there’s always one......
Really pleased for you.
My family and I will definitely not be at the front of the queue so enjoy.
I respect your decision and I am sure you will respect mine.
If you have the vaccine why would you be scared to be near non vaccinated people - surely you will be safe from this terrible disease??
My family and I will definitely not be at the front of the queue so enjoy.
I respect your decision and I am sure you will respect mine.
If you have the vaccine why would you be scared to be near non vaccinated people - surely you will be safe from this terrible disease??
You can have my place, and that of almost everyone I know.
Hell, knock yourself out. Have all three vaccines.
Hell, knock yourself out. Have all three vaccines.
Can we please have some peer-reviewed feedback rather than press releases to help assuage any potential concerns.
Without the press releases we would still be in the dark, when actually there is real hope that vaccines will one day be successful and that day might soon be here. I much prefer that than political and press speculation. It’s good news, the best this year by far, why not share it!
Peer reviewed research would be excellent, however few would understand it. The regulators will have their own experts to do the reviewing.
I'd rather the regulators review the evidence then decide. At that point, they'll be sufficient evidence to assuage reasonable concerns, but some concerns will never be assuaged as they are not rational.
You could watch this webinar to assuage your fears?
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-vaccines-expert-questions
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-vaccines-expert-questions
A quick Google leads to the published papers relevant to the various news & media articles.
Takes less time to find than making a post on HYS...
Takes less time to find than making a post on HYS...
Are they safe, what are the side effects these are the questions?
That's the question isn't it. Can they prove the vaccines are less dangerous than the disease to the least at risk groups in society?
People may ask, if I have an infinitesimal chance of Covid complications should I catch it (U45s) . Why should I take a vaccine, that's been rushed through and bypassed the normal hoops and liability? Especially when those at risk can protect themselves
People may ask, if I have an infinitesimal chance of Covid complications should I catch it (U45s) . Why should I take a vaccine, that's been rushed through and bypassed the normal hoops and liability? Especially when those at risk can protect themselves
I trust the regulator/s to get this right rather than HYS /social media 'experts'
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As long as they don't get pressured by all the governments who wants this out there and Covid defeated asap.
did you hear the one, about the woman who spent 2 years writing a review of a food additive for the FDA. after she wrote the review, her management changed her job. her new job title was required to approve the review she had just written
it got approved.
it got approved.
I'm happy for there to be legislation whereby once you've had the vaccination, you're free to enjoy society as normal.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Thankfully the up vote / down vote ratio on your post suggests that while HYS audience may disagree on many things - the vast majority do agree and support our NHS.
Given any vaccine requires a high up take rate to protect those with weakened immune systems - ie the 5% who may not gain protection from it - I am happy to see such there is such a low level of antivax idiots here. Good for us UK.
Given any vaccine requires a high up take rate to protect those with weakened immune systems - ie the 5% who may not gain protection from it - I am happy to see such there is such a low level of antivax idiots here. Good for us UK.
Well more fool you!
I would probably seek some input from other quarters who are medical experts you trust to also help interpret and put it in to context. There will be a lot of words that will cause "concerns" and some "trusted" people will be useful to make it more easy to understand. If you read an Aspirin, Paracetamol data sheet/PIL you probably would never take one.
There’s too much reliance on the vaccine. The first lot will be nurses, docs, care homes, the vulnerable. Others like police, ambulance, fire and prison, lorry drivers etc. The normal person won’t get a vaccine until April/May and beyond.
I get your intention, but " normal"
is not the correct word.
Yes, Spring/Summer will be around the time we all
get to receive the vaccine. Making enough doses is
also an issue
is not the correct word.
Yes, Spring/Summer will be around the time we all
get to receive the vaccine. Making enough doses is
also an issue
The first objective is to reduce deaths and hospitalizations. Hence vaccinate those most likely to die or have serious disease (statistically). Then to reduce the spread (vaccinate more and more people). As long as the first objective is achieved then the virus becomes more a nuisance than a major disruptor.
Why haven’t we bought any Sputnik v vaccine.............lol
Are they safe, what are the side effects these are the questions?
True, but governments do have a habit of meddling and pushing their own agenda and views on 'independent bodies' these days.
Great news , idiots who keep pushing lies should be prosecuted
I'm happy for there to be legislation whereby once you've had the vaccination, you're free to enjoy society as normal.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Let’s hope Trump doesn’t set foot in Britain again then. The loser who the Americans have told ‘You’re Fired’ has blood in his hands for his incompetence. Sadly our own brain dead Covid Ito PM is second in line to the throne
From the comparison table, the Russian vac seems the "best" in terms of effectiveness and storage facilities. Big business for Pfizer and Moderna - but why full protection? For me the risk to get COVID without serious complications would be fine enough, then create maybe own antibodies for the future.
Can you really trust anything coming out of Russia without independent proof?
Confused by your comment. If you become infected by contact with the virus your natural body defences that have evolved over millions of years react to fight of the infection. If you receive a vaccine exactly the same defence mechanism kicks in and you produce exactly the same defences, there is NO difference except you avoid the chance of a possible severe illness.
Why is the gov ordering enough to vaccinate the entire country? People under 60 really have no need for this and are probably already immune. Total waste of money.
Because everyone can be a spreader......
Do keep up with the news
From the comparison table, the Russian vac seems the "best" in terms of effectiveness and storage facilities. Big business for Pfizer and Moderna - but why full protection? For me the risk to get COVID without serious complications would be fine enough, then create maybe own antibodies for the future.
Great news all around if they work safely and are long lasting.
How would you know if they didn't. Would you trust the media to report honestly?
Whoever plays no beats Man U that's important now what was the other thing?
They wont
Why is the gov ordering enough to vaccinate the entire country? People under 60 really have no need for this and are probably already immune. Total waste of money.
Not sure that these vaccines stop the spread. They will reduce the symptoms in individuals.
From the comparison table, the Russian vac seems the "best" in terms of effectiveness and storage facilities. Big business for Pfizer and Moderna - but why full protection? For me the risk to get COVID without serious complications would be fine enough, then create maybe own antibodies for the future.
This is excellent news. It will be interesting to see how the EU which bans genetically modified beef deals with a genetically modified vaccine. Personally I’m happy with both.
Why would you eat genetically modified beef if you didn't have to? And, FYI, the EU has not banned GMOs you just need to get approval first. But hey, the UK can fill it's farming boots with 4 breast chickens after 1 January. Then we can export them to the world and rebuild the Empire.
Great achievements as they are I am Getting a tad fed up with vaccine promises etc every day. The next Proper news will be when they are finished testing and approved for use.
Stop watching it then?
1. How did vaccines get 5% more efficient in 15 days?
2. Nobady is talking about Dido,s comments that vaccine and her app could be used as "health passport" to allow travel. In other words every holiday maker will have to fork extra for vaccine an use TRACING app or will be banned from traveling. That is a freedom of movement being canceled in our democratic society.
2. Nobady is talking about Dido,s comments that vaccine and her app could be used as "health passport" to allow travel. In other words every holiday maker will have to fork extra for vaccine an use TRACING app or will be banned from traveling. That is a freedom of movement being canceled in our democratic society.
With freedoms come responsibilities, go figure.
Because everyone can be a spreader......
They stop you catching it, therefore you cant spread it.
As you say that with such certainty, you must be very expert among a field of experts, but I am prepared to bet that you are not.
There is no way I will want the AstraZeneca Oxford vaccine. Now we can start to worry what the government will want to foist upon us. The cheap but much riskier Oxford version or the better American one? I have a bad feeling about it.
How do you know the US one is better? Because they will probably charge 10+ the amount and bankrupt any country who wants to use it? The Oxford one shows better efficacy, easier to store and cheaper.
The Oxford one is a more traditional vaccine the other two use a method that has never been tried before.
What evidence /peer-reviewed scientific information is that based on?
How does that compare to the efficacy /choice of other inoculations received in your life to date?
How does that compare to the efficacy /choice of other inoculations received in your life to date?
It also needs to be tested if the different vaccines be mixed? That is have one dosage of one type and the second dosage of another?
Why? Pick one. To mix them makes no sense
Well lets enjoy one of the last benefits of EU access, getting drugs at the same time as the EU, once we are alone, we will be much further down the queue for stuff like this. Leaving the EU was such a good idea...not!
1. How did vaccines get 5% more efficient in 15 days?
2. Nobady is talking about Dido,s comments that vaccine and her app could be used as "health passport" to allow travel. In other words every holiday maker will have to fork extra for vaccine an use TRACING app or will be banned from traveling. That is a freedom of movement being canceled in our democratic society.
2. Nobady is talking about Dido,s comments that vaccine and her app could be used as "health passport" to allow travel. In other words every holiday maker will have to fork extra for vaccine an use TRACING app or will be banned from traveling. That is a freedom of movement being canceled in our democratic society.
There is no way I will want the AstraZeneca Oxford vaccine. Now we can start to worry what the government will want to foist upon us. The cheap but much riskier Oxford version or the better American one? I have a bad feeling about it.
The US vacines are better, more expensive yes, but the efficacy of the Oxford one is much lower...
Muddled thinking. The Astra Zeneca vaccine has much lower efficacy than Moderna's of Pfizer's.
1. How did vaccines get 5% more efficient in 15 days?
2. Nobady is talking about Dido,s comments that vaccine and her app could be used as "health passport" to allow travel. In other words every holiday maker will have to fork extra for vaccine an use TRACING app or will be banned from traveling. That is a freedom of movement being canceled in our democratic society.
2. Nobady is talking about Dido,s comments that vaccine and her app could be used as "health passport" to allow travel. In other words every holiday maker will have to fork extra for vaccine an use TRACING app or will be banned from traveling. That is a freedom of movement being canceled in our democratic society.
Well said.
There is no way I will want the AstraZeneca Oxford vaccine. Now we can start to worry what the government will want to foist upon us. The cheap but much riskier Oxford version or the better American one? I have a bad feeling about it.
From the comparison table, the Russian vac seems the "best" in terms of effectiveness and storage facilities. Big business for Pfizer and Moderna - but why full protection? For me the risk to get COVID without serious complications would be fine enough, then create maybe own antibodies for the future.
What would happen if UK approves it but Europe and America don't approve it. And then Hancock makes it compulsory? Would be an interesting story for the BBC to cover, impartially of course.
wow you are some kind of moron
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your a idiot regardless how many times the BBc remove the comment
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Great news all around if they work safely and are long lasting.
Would you trust the government to report honestly?
Maybe not the Mail or Express, but most of the others yes
On the whole, yes. It would be hard fior them to fabricate the results of public trials.
The wonder of the internet is such that the results of the testing can be verified directly with the appropriate authorities online, despite the best efforts of internet trolls to pollute the water with outright lies.
The wonder of the internet is such that the results of the testing can be verified directly with the appropriate authorities online, despite the best efforts of internet trolls to pollute the water with outright lies.
I will trust someone who puts their name and reputation to something, before I will trust someone anonymous on the BBC comments section.
Question to you is whether you will only trust a report that agrees with what you already believe. Saying "I don't trust the media" is not a superior position than knowing when to trust them and when not to.
Question to you is whether you will only trust a report that agrees with what you already believe. Saying "I don't trust the media" is not a superior position than knowing when to trust them and when not to.
Only a idiot would trust the Russian one, though no that jeen on the Oxford one either, though bet thats the one most of get
It's a bit sad that more people seem to be interested in eating in a Scotch egg in a pub than a vaccine...
I've never tried eating a vaccine in a pub. ;)
I trust the regulator/s to get this right rather than HYS /social media 'experts'
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I am pretty sure everyone wants it beaten asap? I feel confident in the UK's approach to safety. No vaccines have ever been under as much scrutiny and as long as the data is peer reviewed and independently assessed. That's why we need to leave it to experts - because very few people have the ability or knowledge to make this type of decision.
Considering the large number of people who work on developing a vaccine, and the attention this is receiving, if the vaccine was at all being rushed, someone would speak out that this was the case. There are only 21 members of the PMs cabinet and it's hard enough to keep a secret on that.
Usually people think it is the drug company who will be pressurising the regulatory authorities, not the govs. The regulators will be scrutinising this very carefully and capable of asking any question of the trial. Trust them.
Just waiting for the next conspiracy theorist idiot to say "Don't take the Vaccine, its designed to kill us all!". Just a pinch of the brain washed rubbish I've heard this year!.
I'm advising anyone that seriously thinks a vaccine will alter thier DNA to take the Jab.
It can only be an improvement.
It can only be an improvement.
I'm happy for there to be legislation whereby once you've had the vaccination, you're free to enjoy society as normal.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Everyone knows it will turns us all slowly into one of the Lizard people - they proved it on the global elite of George Soros, Bill Gates and poor Joe Biden first. Trump has been fighting an unseen war against the Lizard people for 4 years but now it seems they have won and we are all destined to end up being one of them - dont say David Icke didnt warn you ;)
There are lots of them out there, one guy l speak to told me Covid is not real it’s a conspiracy so we all stop using cash, so the government knows how much money you have. FFS.
Well, I've had a shed load of voluntary vaccines: typhoid, yellow fever and rabies to name but a few. Several more than once, and I'll happily pay to get them again.
But there's no way I'm getting one of these covid-19 vaccines: funny, that.
But there's no way I'm getting one of these covid-19 vaccines: funny, that.
Not sure that these vaccines stop the spread. They will reduce the symptoms in individuals.
Not true. And I’m not anti vax. You need to understand what the effective figures mean. Example: a 90% efficacy (ie 10% RR) means that the proportion of infection in the vaccinated group is about one-tenth of the proportion of infection in the placebo group
Until the gov is honest about this virus, i won't be taking one. Unless they say its a chinese bioweapon, people will be bribing the nurses to squirt their dose into the sink.
Another special kind of idiot, you will not be forced to take it, but hopefully prevented from traveling out the country till you do, in fact they should exclude idiots like you from all major public areas
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Obviously, you cannot read. Try again and look at the percentages, not how much it costs. I'd rather pay for the Moderna from my own pocket than have it "free" from this wonderful NHS. I am not clapping in the street, and "Protect the NHS", "save the NHS" and all that ... it is not the NHS that I want to save.
Not sure that these vaccines stop the spread. They will reduce the symptoms in individuals.
Clearly I’m a bit more informed than you. I’ve answered the your point and an other persons below.
Well lets enjoy one of the last benefits of EU access, getting drugs at the same time as the EU, once we are alone, we will be much further down the queue for stuff like this. Leaving the EU was such a good idea...not!
this article is about the Moderna vacine!????
Remoaner. Get your facts right the oxford vaccine is being produced in the UK
are you stupid much, this article is about Moderna not the oxford one, why are all leaves so thick
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Cannot believe all these stupid students in Nottingham raving together. Considering they are supposed to be intelligent they really haven’t got a brain cell between them. Rave now, get a positive test and force them to stay at uni for Xmas. Then watch them squeal like stuck pigs. Deserve everything they get.
There is no way I will want the AstraZeneca Oxford vaccine. Now we can start to worry what the government will want to foist upon us. The cheap but much riskier Oxford version or the better American one? I have a bad feeling about it.
Cannot believe all these stupid students in Nottingham raving together. Considering they are supposed to be intelligent they really haven’t got a brain cell between them. Rave now, get a positive test and force them to stay at uni for Xmas. Then watch them squeal like stuck pigs. Deserve everything they get.
I don't like the idea of 'blaming students' for being young but I do worry they are not being properly informed of the risks of long-Covid. Forget all the nonsense about yuppie flu - lives can be ruined by post viral fatigues. Long-Covid is an extreme and debilitating illness estimated to affect 1 in 20 infected individuals (even for people in their 20-30s >1 in 100 are thought to suffer this).
It is down to the Regulatory approval now ,we just hope the vaccine will get approval ,so they can started Vaccination and get we out of his horrible mess the World is in at the moment.
How do you know the US one is better? Because they will probably charge 10+ the amount and bankrupt any country who wants to use it? The Oxford one shows better efficacy, easier to store and cheaper.
You did read that the efficacy was anywhere between 70 and 90% dependent on the doses right, I mean you are such an expert I guess you will also know that efficacy like that is higher than the average flu vaccine, and that an efficacy of 95% was good enough to wipe out smallpox. Get the doses right and the Oxford vaccine will do the same.
Well lets enjoy one of the last benefits of EU access, getting drugs at the same time as the EU, once we are alone, we will be much further down the queue for stuff like this. Leaving the EU was such a good idea...not!
Get it right, im a Rejoiner ;)
Well lets enjoy one of the last benefits of EU access, getting drugs at the same time as the EU, once we are alone, we will be much further down the queue for stuff like this. Leaving the EU was such a good idea...not!
I work in the industry, and know that drug companies will try for approval in the biggest markets first, China/India, US, EU.... we will be far from first!
Perhaps they need to offer a free tin foil hat with every vaccine?
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I'm happy for there to be legislation whereby once you've had the vaccination, you're free to enjoy society as normal.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
I remember fools like you coming out with crap like that when government spying on us was mentioned.
Snowden soon wiped that smirk of the likes of you!
Snowden soon wiped that smirk of the likes of you!
Until the gov is honest about this virus, i won't be taking one. Unless they say its a chinese bioweapon, people will be bribing the nurses to squirt their dose into the sink.
It also needs to be tested if the different vaccines be mixed? That is have one dosage of one type and the second dosage of another?
Anyone else just here for the armchair immunologist expert and antivaxxer comments?
Me......highly amusing how deluded some people are in thinking that they are experts or have some superior knowledge.
I'm happy for there to be legislation whereby once you've had the vaccination, you're free to enjoy society as normal.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
Meanwhile the tinfoil hat brigade can stay in lockdown. Pubs and social spaces will be awesome without having to listen to them drivelling on.
I will not be swayed by those who clearly have a conflict of interest. The title of Dr or Professor has no sway over me.
Based on stats in the article, the Russian vaccine looks the best all-round. But of course, politics trump lives and health, so it's is a no for the US and her lackeys (like us).
Not a huge fan of Russia (politically, that is: it's a beautiful country with fascinating history and culture), but I don't trust the US one iota either. Form for profiteering from war and human misery don't build trust.
Not a huge fan of Russia (politically, that is: it's a beautiful country with fascinating history and culture), but I don't trust the US one iota either. Form for profiteering from war and human misery don't build trust.
Yeah and you pretty stupid if you beleive anything come out of PutinVille
One is a liberal democracy with relatively open government and a free media and genuinely tries to combat corruption. The other is a totalitarian regime, has an appalling human rights record, has next to no concern for the health of it's citizens. with insane levels of corruption and has habitually lied for decades about the achievements whilst force feeding the athletes with toxic level of drugs.
The results of the british vaccine is embarrassing compared to the US ones ??
It is likely to be 90% effective with a bit of tweaking and can be easily transported across the globe... not so embarrassing.
Oh you mean the one that can be kept in a normal fridge and does not require storage and transport at -70 degrees? Right.
Embarrassing or honest..?
It seems that the level of detail released by Oxford is much greater than that released by other makers; they openly admitted that the half dose-full dose strategy (which appears to make it comparable in efficacy with the others) was an accidental discovery.
I'll wait for peer and regulatory reviews before I make any judgement. Not that my judgment matters, mind.
It seems that the level of detail released by Oxford is much greater than that released by other makers; they openly admitted that the half dose-full dose strategy (which appears to make it comparable in efficacy with the others) was an accidental discovery.
I'll wait for peer and regulatory reviews before I make any judgement. Not that my judgment matters, mind.
99.8% recovery rate for Sars-Cov 2.99.9 % for Influenza without vaccines.Plus the Pfizer vaccine is only a symptom reducer not a cure.Only those at most risk should take a vaccine,ideally the Sputnik 5.Do not bother to reply 77 and 13 cointel.
What's the recovery rate from stupidity?
This is not correct, the Pfizer vacine stopped people contracting the virus...
you should audition for a new muppet character called knuckle dragger
Greetings Comrade. Let me welcome you to the West. We have democracy and independent research here that disproves your statement. Although I am no expert, I am listening to those that are.
And what exactly are you basing that assertion on?
They stop you catching it, therefore you cant spread it.
Fun fact.. all vaccines contain microchips designed by Bill gates and Elon Musk.. source: internet memes
Fun fact: even if you trying to be funny, you still come across as a idiot!! I see you take after your folks, dumb n dumber
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You do realise that people under the age of 50 who are not obese and have no underlying health conditions aren't even likely to be offered it don't you? That's info from the vaccine taskforce! So if you are under 50 either eat yourself to obesity or diabetes and you can have one.
Naturally everyone is excited by the prospect of the vaccines being approved for use and vaccination programmes being rolled out very soon. The open question remains, for how long will the protection afforded by the vaccines last? This will be a real time experiment the outcome of which will not be known for months or years. Presumably there is a plan to secure next year's supply of jabs as well?
Based on stats in the article, the Russian vaccine looks the best all-round. But of course, politics trump lives and health, so it's is a no for the US and her lackeys (like us).
Not a huge fan of Russia (politically, that is: it's a beautiful country with fascinating history and culture), but I don't trust the US one iota either. Form for profiteering from war and human misery don't build trust.
Not a huge fan of Russia (politically, that is: it's a beautiful country with fascinating history and culture), but I don't trust the US one iota either. Form for profiteering from war and human misery don't build trust.
Like I said, politically, Russia and the US are no better than each other. For entirely different reasons, though. If it came down to having to 'take their word for it' on any given subject, especially when it's something where there's a huge amount of money at stake, I'd probably trust Russia's word marginally more than the US'. Not much in it, but my trust in US and it's corps is less than zero.
Cannot believe all these stupid students in Nottingham raving together. Considering they are supposed to be intelligent they really haven’t got a brain cell between them. Rave now, get a positive test and force them to stay at uni for Xmas. Then watch them squeal like stuck pigs. Deserve everything they get.
Don't forget "Fashion Journalism".
Why is the gov ordering enough to vaccinate the entire country? People under 60 really have no need for this and are probably already immune. Total waste of money.
The results of the british vaccine is embarrassing compared to the US ones ??
Sounds over optimistic to me. Needs more than "a bit of tweaking" if rumours of methodology errors are confirmed.
The results of the british vaccine is embarrassing compared to the US ones ??
Only a idiot would trust the Russian one, though not that keen on the Oxford one either.
Though bet that's the one most of us get, I would happily pay 25 and get the Moderna one
One thing in our favour is all the idiots who don't want to take the vaccine, means we can gets ours quicker!!
Though bet that's the one most of us get, I would happily pay 25 and get the Moderna one
One thing in our favour is all the idiots who don't want to take the vaccine, means we can gets ours quicker!!
Oxford AstraZeneca
62-90% effective
What does that mean?
Isolated from monkey poo
62-90% effective
What does that mean?
Isolated from monkey poo
It means that it stops between 62 - 90 % of people from catching the virus, they need more time/analysis to confirm...
Your chance to go ape----!
Not sure what point you are making? It's pretty obvious what the effectiveness measures and your question can be answered by a simple search. It seems you are more interested in mocking intelligent people whom are trying to resolve the issue than actually making effort to understand.
Two crucial pieces of the puzzle still outstanding:
1) Are these sterilising vaccines? Or will you still develop the disease, albeit it with milder symptoms?
2) Is a vaccinated person still able to carry and transmit the virus?
These are important questions and I don't believe we have the answers yet.
1) Are these sterilising vaccines? Or will you still develop the disease, albeit it with milder symptoms?
2) Is a vaccinated person still able to carry and transmit the virus?
These are important questions and I don't believe we have the answers yet.
The results of the british vaccine is embarrassing compared to the US ones ??
Embarrassing or honest..?
It seems that the level of detail released by Oxford is much greater than that released by other makers; they openly admitted that the half dose-full dose strategy (which appears to make it comparable in efficacy with the others) was an accidental discovery.
I'll wait for peer and regulatory reviews before I make any judgement. Not that my judgment matters, mind.
It seems that the level of detail released by Oxford is much greater than that released by other makers; they openly admitted that the half dose-full dose strategy (which appears to make it comparable in efficacy with the others) was an accidental discovery.
I'll wait for peer and regulatory reviews before I make any judgement. Not that my judgment matters, mind.
How do you know the US one is better? Because they will probably charge 10+ the amount and bankrupt any country who wants to use it? The Oxford one shows better efficacy, easier to store and cheaper.
So who will we accept as decision maker on whether the drug is safe? We do not have an agency to do so anymore.
So much for ‘taking back control’!
So much for ‘taking back control’!
hey - we can trust boris and his ERG cronies and yes-men and women to make all the right decisions!
Apart from MHRA you mean?
Stage 1 trials have already demonstrated that it is safe. Stage 2 trial demonstrated that they build anti bodies, Stage 3 trails demonstrate efficacy.
Stage 1 trials have already demonstrated that it is safe. Stage 2 trial demonstrated that they build anti bodies, Stage 3 trails demonstrate efficacy.
I ask that the BBC Moderators read the Book of Truth as dictated by Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ to the Last Prophet Maria Divine Mercy.
Please do not have the vaccine.
Please do not have the vaccine.
If I wasn't sure before I read that, I am now... Where do I sign up for a vaccine?!
What's the recovery rate from stupidity?
Only a idiot would trust the Russian one, though not that keen on the Oxford one either.
Though bet that's the one most of us get, I would happily pay 25 and get the Moderna one
One thing in our favour is all the idiots who don't want to take the vaccine, means we can gets ours quicker!!
Though bet that's the one most of us get, I would happily pay 25 and get the Moderna one
One thing in our favour is all the idiots who don't want to take the vaccine, means we can gets ours quicker!!
I don't understand why the approval process take so long. We can at least offer it to elderly people who are the group most vulnerable to the virus and side effect from the lockdown due treatment delay. At worst scenario, what do they have to loss. The benefit outweighs the risk by far.
Probably all majoring political studies. That's a field where we need more people!
The US vacines are better, more expensive yes, but the efficacy of the Oxford one is much lower...
You did read that the efficacy was anywhere between 70 and 90% dependent on the doses right, I mean you are such an expert I guess you will also know that efficacy like that is higher than the average flu vaccine, and that an efficacy of 95% was good enough to wipe out smallpox. Get the doses right and the Oxford vaccine will do the same.