Covid infections in England fall by 30% over lockdown - React study
30/11/2020 | news | health | 2,177
There were an estimated 72,000 new cases of coronavirus a day in England between 13 and 24 November.
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30/11/2020 10:12:01 78 17
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Fantastic news, what a great way to start the week.

"The React-1 study is highly respected and gives us the most up-to-date picture of Covid-19 in the country."
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30/11/2020 10:18:02 66 113
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The Conservative "Covid Research Group" will be doing everything it can to fight this progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human suffering.
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30/11/2020 10:31:39 4 14
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Wasn't this the same study that predicted 100,000 infections a day a month and a half ago?
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30/11/2020 10:12:50 25 23
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So much for "lockdowns don't work" then.
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30/11/2020 10:15:25 24 9
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Many against lockdowns are not denying they drive infections down, they question whether the cost of doing so is really worth the benefit.
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30/11/2020 10:25:18 2 3
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They are a last resort when all else fails.
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30/11/2020 10:38:10 1 2
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It would have some merit if the system (it's not a lockdown so don't delude yourself) was being adhered to in any meaningful way. It isn't, and you've only got to look around you to see that.
30/11/2020 11:57:05 0 1
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Except the paper doesn't say it reduces mortality, critical cases, and it also declares exceptions like: R number in midlands and London were unchanged and it had minimal impact in the south. The paper is focused on R number.

I love when people who can't understand scientific papers make sweeping arrogant commentary on things they don't grasp. It's funny to watch them broadcast their ignorance.
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30/11/2020 10:12:56 480 72
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A fall of -30% over 12 days might not appear dramatic to some, but it has to be compared with the rise of +100% every 9 days before lockdown. That is a massive result.

The headline focusing on just the 30% part of this is not doing justice to the achievement.
Shocking piece of propaganda, delivered without caviats into your home by the Unholy Trinity of HMG, The BBC and Neil Fergusons Imperial College.
It's shameful to say, but if you want the truth in this Covid World you need to look beyond the State Broadcaster.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/
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30/11/2020 10:18:56 51 91
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All these numbers are misleading. Even BBC pointed this out that when the lockdown 2.0 was being announced we were supposed to have 1000 deaths a day. Did we? These are numbers not facts.
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30/11/2020 10:19:47 56 80
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Conservative "Covid Research Group" is doing everything it can to reverse progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human lives.
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30/11/2020 10:23:53 99 25
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Too true.

Yet there will still be many bleating on that lockdowns don't work.
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Dee
30/11/2020 10:38:44 12 29
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What achievement? Everywhere is still busy, schools open, unis open, shops open, cars on road and people on streets. There was no lockdown except at pubs which are low spreaders. Every virus has a blip, and it was falling before lockdown could even have an impact.
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30/11/2020 10:52:24 6 27
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Absolute rubbish, the rate in Liverpool shown on the BBC web page on the day lock down was announced was already showing it was 50% down. Also infection rate means sweet FA, if it doesn't kill why are we locking people up? Get a grip and look at the real data, we have a Covid Cult pushing hysterical nonsense, fortunately UK students are doing their bit to get us herd immunity - good for them!
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30/11/2020 10:54:13 3 21
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It's not a suprise, it's the same metric as schools taking children off roll to improve their pass rate.
It simply masks the fact we're all going to get this to some extent vaccine or no.
Get it over with, isolate the vulnerable and prioritise then with the vaccine. Let the rest of us get on with living, the % of healthy people who'll require medical intervention will be negligible.
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30/11/2020 11:07:34 8 1
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And if your good boys and girls and keep the virus R number down you might be able to see Santa.
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30/11/2020 11:20:57 3 6
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Many places in the north were falling before lockdown and the south was unaffected by the "National" lockdown. Yet more truth that the virus doesn't care about "lockdowns" once it has entered the country in large enough numbers.

As many scientists prior to 2020 stated that lockdowns only work on containing a virus if you lockdown before it enters the country in any significant way.
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30/11/2020 10:12:59 13 12
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Which is exactly why there should be no relaxation over Xmas.
There will be no resurrection at Easter for grandparents or people with acute underlying issues, after some hugs and close up contact over Xmas.
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30/11/2020 10:21:23 3 4
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Why would you be going close enough to someone to give them a hug right now, Christmas or otherwise??

Just like you argue Covid has no notion of Christmas, underlying health issues and vulnerabilities don't stop for Christmas either.
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30/11/2020 10:12:39 7 11
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“ but, despite this progress, cases remained relatively high across England.”

The only important sentence in the whole article.
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30/11/2020 10:13:06 239 70
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Finally, some good news! Hope with the jab in January we can emerge from this and get on with life. Cue....anti maskers, anti vaxxers etc. It wasn't made any easier by you guys! Ha ha. Good news finally!
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30/11/2020 10:21:14 96 118
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With most people ignoring the lockdown, how is this in any way an endorsement of that strategy?

Being critical takes actual thought, not just blindly following the media line.
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30/11/2020 10:23:31 22 15
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Don't forget the luddites in the Conservative party with thier jokingly named "Covid Research Group" who have been fighting the correct response the whole time.
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30/11/2020 10:36:07 19 39
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It wasn’t made easier by the scaremongers either. Lockdown wasn’t needed. The average age of deaths was 82 who didn’t have an underlying health condition. I will never support lockdowns and it's 74% of the population who agree with me
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30/11/2020 10:47:55 12 15
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There isn't a lot of evidence for masks you know, even our own government experts in April insisted they didn't work. Vaccines are a completely different matter and have saved countless lives.
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30/11/2020 10:57:22 3 10
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Anti vaxx and anti mask are not the same thing.
You're conflating different issues.
The scientific advice was masks do two thirds of naff all.
It's a very American tactic you've employed there, all spin and no substance. Do you take vitamin pills and eat super foods too?
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30/11/2020 11:24:24 5 3
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I’m astonished you call the loss of tens of thousands jobs good news!
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30/11/2020 11:28:56 4 8
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You wear your mask, you line up for your jab. I really do pity the hard of thinking who believe all this nonsense, but then this has shown that half the population is thick, and would no doubt jump off a cliff of the government told them to!
30/11/2020 12:32:02 0 3
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The vaccine doesnt stop the virus, we still carry and spead it, people are still at risk.
We have a long way to go before you can burn your masks.
30/11/2020 12:32:04 1 3
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Seems as if your mask has been over your eyes. The rates were falling pre-lockdown anyway, stop attributing it the lockdown, as many are stating on here there hasn't been a lockdown as such..
30/11/2020 13:19:59 0 1
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Ha ha, you'll find out as time passes just how 'good' things are going to be.
30/11/2020 14:30:40 0 0
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Apparently there are side effects on the brain which convince people that masks don't work and vaccines turn you into zombies, #cleverCovid. Worse in the US of course, see https://www.theroot.com/they-stop-yelling-at-you-when-they-get-intubated-south-1845691330
30/11/2020 15:09:42 0 1
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Anti maskers being the WHO, yeah?
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30/11/2020 10:13:07 23 17
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The covidiots won't be happy with this information , according to them it is a scam to control the masses.
30/11/2020 12:57:17 1 2
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One day you may be grateful for the dissenters.
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30/11/2020 10:13:54 121 54
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Since the lockdown worked I suppose Nicola can get back to spinning this in her favour. Remember political point scoring is more important than saving lives
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30/11/2020 10:15:47 74 85
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You mean like you are doing ...
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30/11/2020 10:17:01 14 13
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I think you are doing the political point scoring here, JJJJ. NS supported lockdown as a means of controlling spread of Covid and preventing health service being overrun. It worked. Not sure what your beef is??
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30/11/2020 10:24:08 10 6
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I thought only the Eaton toff was allowed to do that.
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30/11/2020 10:41:42 9 6
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You should be ashamed of yourself politicising covid deaths.
Like you are trying do to with that childish comment?
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30/11/2020 11:31:46 3 6
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I’m trying to pick out the logic in this comment. You seem to be disappointed that the lockdown is working because that is detrimental to your position on Nicola Sturgeon and then you want to put that on Sturgeon through some kind of political Freudian projection... time to see your analyst.
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30/11/2020 11:39:35 2 4
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The article is to do with the infection rate in England -nothing to do with Nicola.
xlr
30/11/2020 12:13:26 3 5
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If by "spinning it in her favour" you mean actually planning a response and weighing up pros and cons rather than winging it like Boris does, then yes, she'll be getting back to it.
30/11/2020 12:44:39 1 3
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Why doed every HYS have some guy trying to spin in his hatred of the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon?

Are you that insecure that you have to bring up this bile all the time?
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30/11/2020 10:13:58 11 7
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We don't need infections to just fall but at same time stabilise at a high level. The rate needs to continue to fall so we can start vaccinations from a low level of infection rates.
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30/11/2020 10:14:03 18 16
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Cue comments from the lockdown brigade such as 'imagine how much lower it would have been if they closed schools, borders and univerities' - nothing if not predictable!
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30/11/2020 10:23:15 4 4
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Also what would have been the impact on the 1st wave if the lock down had been applied earlier.
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30/11/2020 10:54:01 0 1
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Strange so many other countries have done just that. Still Boris knows better. He’s English.
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30/11/2020 10:14:04 13 14
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Good news but just shows what could have been achieved if the government had acted more decisively earlier on rather than all this flip -flopping and dithering.
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30/11/2020 10:14:04 42 27
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Soon to rise nationally when the 200 idiots from Nottingham University go home for Christmas

And these kids are supposed to be the countries future

Don't stand a chance to we
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30/11/2020 10:24:01 23 16
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And the idiot protesters in London... It really begs the question, is education wasted on some?
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30/11/2020 10:29:29 1 1
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At least they can't go to the pub.
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30/11/2020 10:30:29 4 2
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How many of them are asymptomatic?
How many of them are still infectious from September?
If you're going to make a pejorative comment you need to back it up.
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30/11/2020 11:17:18 0 0
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Well said you
30/11/2020 12:58:07 0 2
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Your grammar doesn't!
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30/11/2020 10:14:15 6 10
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And it is predicted to rise three fold over Christmas.

Enjoy it, or not while you can.
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30/11/2020 10:14:19 311 37
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Are they serious? There is no lockdown. Not in London. A few businesses have been punished but there is no lockdown as people are everywhere. Totally packed. Shops, parks, transport. Everywhere.
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30/11/2020 10:17:52 206 10
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Couldn't agree more. My part of Surrey at the weekend was exactly the same and has been all month. Apart from the notable parts of the high street that were shut, you would struggle to know there were restrictions in place.
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30/11/2020 10:28:37 20 19
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Yes, but you have to realise they are not the brightest of people, they showed that when this pandemic started by cramming the tubes, reasoning that their jobs were more important than their health.
I wouldn't know, because I stayed at home...
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30/11/2020 10:29:17 6 3
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There is. So many places are not allowed to open
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30/11/2020 10:30:59 28 9
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Well pubs and restaurants are closed so maybe you're just arguing about terminology, call it a package of measures. Those package of measures are having a positive impact.
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30/11/2020 10:32:10 28 4
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its the same everywhere, a total joke.. even dog parlours are open but I cant get a hair cut.. I have never seen as many cars on the road... LOCKDOWN ? what lockdown
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30/11/2020 10:42:18 11 3
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Northern Ireland here, Didn't look like there was any lockdown on saturday which was pretty disgraceful to see. I guess people don't care about a 3rd wave over xmas
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30/11/2020 10:50:12 21 7
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Why isn’t London going into Tier 3?
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30/11/2020 10:50:44 15 3
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oh has their been a lockdown?
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30/11/2020 10:51:45 8 10
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"There is no lockdown" and yet the numbers have decreased significantly, so what is the change that has caused the drop in infections without people staying at home?

Bars!

Numbers started rising when bars opened in July and dropped again when they were closed in tier 3 areas and then nationally.

Tier 1, no effect.

I like a good drink in a pub, but they have to stay closed until this is over.
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30/11/2020 11:00:26 2 0
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And still the rate of infection falls?
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30/11/2020 11:00:55 4 10
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Ahh!!! I wondered why cases in London were rising, while in the rest of the country cases are falling. Time to place London and the South East in tier 3, and the rest of the country in tiers 1 and 2.
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30/11/2020 11:09:57 11 1
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None here in Buckinghamshire either.

Traffic levels 2800% times higher on average than the beginning of the first lockdown and only 25% on levels in 2019.

Shops packed. People partying. People mingling. No social distancing.

The only discernable difference to normality is people are wearing masks in shops.

Don't be fooled. This 'lockdown' has been totally ignored nationwide.
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30/11/2020 11:19:45 9 4
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We are achieving some degree of immunity to the deadly effects of Whitty Vallence Syndrome, thankfully. Other more competent scientists are beginning to be heard.
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30/11/2020 11:37:51 0 0
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And yet the disease continues to plummet. Riddle me that...
30/11/2020 11:54:12 1 0
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That’s because London is overcrowded
30/11/2020 12:15:23 2 0
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It just goes to show how much difference pubs and restaurants make. They either need to stay closed or figure out ways to avoid infection (like better forced ventilation).
30/11/2020 12:22:17 0 1
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Which is why its 30% not 100%. Lots of people are following the guidance, but many are completely ignoring it. The government have basically excluded everything except pubs and restaurants.
30/11/2020 13:07:16 3 0
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There is a lockdown. The most likely places of transmission are indoor social settings, such as private homes, pubs, cafes and restaurants. Transmission is very unlikely in open air locations. So if there are lots of people in the parks and streets in London that is not usually a problem. I don't agree with your suggestion shops and transport in London is particularly busy.
30/11/2020 13:17:49 1 0
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Are you serious?

This lockdown proves the bulk of infections are driven by people socialising.

If the jump in infections was down to all the populous rubbish spouted by many, then this lockdown would have been an abject failure.

However, with many people still working, and children being educated, infections are falling dramatically.

Heed the advice, limit socialising.
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30/11/2020 13:21:26 0 2
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Correct, 'lockdown light' just punishing a narrow number of hospitality businesses that had strict rules in place. The whole crisis management is a shambles, making it up as they go along with dodgy data coming from all angles.
30/11/2020 14:28:11 0 0
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Totally agree. My area is heaving, with day trippers rolling up on weekends too. Streets turn into 'pub gardens' as 'takeaway' pints mean people stand in the street boozing, with no space for actual pedestrians.
30/11/2020 14:39:25 0 0
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And almost no impact of the virus - I genuinely think it is best for most over 60's to avoid but by pretending it lethal to everyone the govt have told a lie they have to keep doubling down on

1 case would cause a panic like in NZ
30/11/2020 15:13:28 0 1
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Just because Londoners are too stupid to comply doesn't mean the rest of the country haven't got any brains either. These numbers prove it works and Londoners and all the anti-lockdown, virus deniers should do what they're told and life would be a whole better for all of us
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30/11/2020 10:14:22 2 8
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Not sure I believe this sound byte - its exploding here is East Midlands. Can we please share honest reliable data.
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30/11/2020 10:14:28 14 18
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Conservatives have formed a new version of the ERG for Covid.

As if they haven't damaged the country enough with Brexit they now want to apply the same style of populist ignorance to a health crisis.

Still angry and ignorant voters will lap it up
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Ian
30/11/2020 10:14:52 84 73
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???? The economic cost of getting rates down by 30% has been devastating

?? Peoples' lives have been devastated, businesses destroyed.

?? Nations of the world must start asking questions

?? Where did this virus come from?

?? Was it man made?

?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

These questions must be asked.
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30/11/2020 10:18:53 71 18
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I'm also not liking the fact no one is discussing China. The chaos they have caused through lies alone...shameful.

I'm not saying the average Chinese person - I'm talking about those in power who had all they needed to stop this but didn't (allowing external flights, pretending all is fine, instantly covering up potential virus sources, etc)
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30/11/2020 10:21:34 10 23
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The impact of Brexit on the economy and peoples lives has yet to be assessed.
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30/11/2020 10:21:45 14 3
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?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

Good luck with that.
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30/11/2020 10:22:08 16 1
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Agreed Ian, but you won't see it happen.
Xi Binjing (I paraphrase) said the other day I don't care whether you have 5 eyes ot 10 eyes back off or else and they are now spoiling for a trade war with Australia as well as building man made Chinese "islands around the Pacific.

Bad Moon Rising.
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30/11/2020 10:25:44 9 8
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Be careful before you point the finger of blame at China, legitimate though that is. Australia is feeling the full force of Xi’s bully boy behaviour in respect of various trade sanctions for daring to point out the obvious about where COVID-19 started, and calling for an enquiry.
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30/11/2020 10:30:15 20 2
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I'm no conspiracy theorist but I'm particularly interested in the last one

The other questions are pretty academic as China will never allow that level of transparency

Yes - many countries were far too relaxed with international travel when it was becoming clear how this virus behaved, which allowed its spread

But it appears that everybody is tip toeing their way around the Chinese root cause
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30/11/2020 10:30:33 11 14
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We already know the answers to most of these questions!! Stop feeding conspiracy theories!!

People’s lives devastated?
YES and millions dead. But we are fed the false dichotomy of Economy vs Restrictions (check out New Zealand, Singapore etc)

Was it man made? NO

Where did it come from? Horseshoe Bats

Should China pay?
NO .. there should be stricter international standards on Animal welfare
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30/11/2020 10:33:32 4 8
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Ok Trump
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30/11/2020 10:39:40 1 0
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Of course, there is something we can all do - if there is a choice between buying something manufactured in China and something manufactured elsewhere, choose the item not made in China.
Even better, if there is something made in the UK, buy that.
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30/11/2020 10:47:59 2 3
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You want China to pay for what has been disproven? Other countries have found this in bloods and water samples long before Dec 19.
Some of you make me laugh
You’re happy for China to contradict the agreement with us and displace it’s people, offering 3 million a home here because of it
Although you voted leave for immigration
But you’re happy to start a war over a pandemic in the name of freedom??
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30/11/2020 11:11:22 0 0
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According to trump #china ?? or maybe North Korea played a part just asking
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30/11/2020 11:21:16 1 1
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Maybe you should also ask US to pay the world for the 1918 flu epidemic, which started there and was spread by their careless attitude to health in the army camps?
30/11/2020 13:13:32 0 0
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Paranoia becomes you, it goes with your hair!
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30/11/2020 10:15:01 14 12
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Good news but only halving every 37 days is still a sobering indication of how long we have to go. And this is after a lockdown as well. Be very lucky if we have much normality back by summer.
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30/11/2020 10:23:04 1 5
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The only normality about summer will be you can sit outside your house not inside, everywhere else will still be shut.
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30/11/2020 10:15:13 20 13
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No worries the lift the lockdown restrictions for Christmas and optional student return testing will soon have it right back up
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30/11/2020 10:12:50 25 23
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So much for "lockdowns don't work" then.
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30/11/2020 10:15:25 24 9
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Many against lockdowns are not denying they drive infections down, they question whether the cost of doing so is really worth the benefit.
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PJB
30/11/2020 10:15:39 9 15
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So then Boris & Hancock may we suggest a comprehensive reassessment of your crazy tiering system in the light of new data.
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30/11/2020 10:22:23 6 2
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If the tier system is crazy what do you suggest? Why are so many other s following similar paths to beat the virus?
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30/11/2020 10:12:56 480 72
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A fall of -30% over 12 days might not appear dramatic to some, but it has to be compared with the rise of +100% every 9 days before lockdown. That is a massive result.

The headline focusing on just the 30% part of this is not doing justice to the achievement.
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Shocking piece of propaganda, delivered without caviats into your home by the Unholy Trinity of HMG, The BBC and Neil Fergusons Imperial College.
It's shameful to say, but if you want the truth in this Covid World you need to look beyond the State Broadcaster.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/
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30/11/2020 10:26:37 127 27
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I hate to inform you but people saying they know the truth whilst also having no access to any data and no relevant qualification or experience are not spouting the truth. They are spouting dangerous conspiracies that have in the US at least resulted in people ignoring the advice of expert medical professionals that has led to them catching Covid and sadly passing away
If anyone tech savvy out there could launch a DDoS attack on https://lockdownsceptics.org, that would be just great. Removed
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30/11/2020 10:30:57 109 29
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Ah yes because "lockdownsceptics.org" sounds like such an unbiased source of information....

You can criticise the BBC all you like but if that's the alternative then i'd rather stick with the BBC
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30/11/2020 10:33:29 22 12
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You just can't accept the truth can you, pathetic excuse for a human being
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30/11/2020 10:39:16 24 3
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Not sure I'll be putting my trust in someone who can't spell caveats over scientists, each to their own though......
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DMC
30/11/2020 10:40:05 22 2
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You are literally ridiculous
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30/11/2020 10:40:59 21 2
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Conspiracy theory
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30/11/2020 10:41:05 34 3
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... you can get heavy duty aluminium turkey foil in the run up to Xmas ... just right for your tin foil hat
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30/11/2020 10:44:46 16 3
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Don't disrespect Imperial, they're the country's top high impact research university!
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30/11/2020 10:46:03 31 2
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Don't listen to experts! Listen to someone called "ziggee" on an anonymous web forum who is unable to spell correctly, even with a spellchecker.
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30/11/2020 10:48:57 14 2
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What is a caviat? Is it like caviar?
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30/11/2020 10:49:12 1 15
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so true
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30/11/2020 10:52:37 17 1
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keep walking til you fall off the edge of the world please
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30/11/2020 10:54:59 17 0
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Ignorance personified
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30/11/2020 10:59:13 19 4
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The 'lockdown sceptics' have been proven wrong repeatedly. They are just acting like children and spitting their dummies out because they have to follow rules.
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30/11/2020 11:01:10 15 1
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The creator of 'lockdown sceptics' has show on twitter than his grasp of maths is poor at best.
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Bob
30/11/2020 11:08:51 9 2
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I'm assuming you don't believe covid is dangerous. If so go get your family and yourself infected with covid and don't seek medical attention apart from the test hopefully that way you will learn a good lesson ??
Dick Removed
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30/11/2020 11:16:49 10 1
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Wow! You accuse propaganda then link to a propaganda website! A website that relies on pseudoscience, biased statistics and lies. And NO EVIDENCE.
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30/11/2020 11:17:08 5 2
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Hmm - I just checked out the website and did some reading about its provenance and the provenance of some of the contributors. It's a less balanced commentary than the BBC & MSM sources - not really fair to tarnish one as propaganda without acknowledging the other as similar.
Perhaps its the natural propensity that we all have to follow sources that reinforce rather than challenge our own views.
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30/11/2020 10:15:43 157 48
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Excellent news. It shows what can be achieved if people are careful. Let's not throw this progress away over Christmas.
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30/11/2020 10:35:21 39 148
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You are so misguided
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30/11/2020 10:45:26 5 1
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But we will, though, based on what happened over the summer.
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30/11/2020 11:29:44 1 2
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I’m sure your job isn’t at risk just before Xmas.
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30/11/2020 10:13:54 121 54
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Since the lockdown worked I suppose Nicola can get back to spinning this in her favour. Remember political point scoring is more important than saving lives
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30/11/2020 10:15:47 74 85
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You mean like you are doing ...
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30/11/2020 11:18:45 4 0
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Didn't know Swansea was in Scotland! If Scotland gets Swansea do you want Cumbernauld in return?
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30/11/2020 10:15:54 53 6
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Some positive news to start the week. Just need the economy and employment situation to follow suit and that would be bloody fantastic.
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30/11/2020 10:57:52 33 35
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Positive maybe, but allow this to be accepted as conclusive proof lock downs work, then we will be locked down at the whim of the scientists forever.

You only need to look at the deaths, admissions and cases 2 month trends above, to see that everything had been levelling off for weeks before lock down. Then as the virus runs out of victims, it only has one way to go: down.
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30/11/2020 10:59:25 3 0
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Positive news indeed ! There's also an article highlighting the Brexit benefits to the environment via the cessation of EU subsidies to landowners !
A good news day at long last !
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30/11/2020 11:03:17 4 5
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You do know what happens on the 1st January don't you?! Everything will go south.
But under the leadership of Boris Johnson the UK has the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide, with the double hit of Covid and Brexit it will be many years before there is genuine good news on this
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30/11/2020 11:13:56 2 2
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Mutually exclusive, you can't have an economy of people can't, or don't need to, spend money.
I'll get a new shirt for the Xmas party, oh wait, the pubs are shut, no party so I don't need that shirt, and the shop selling them is closed as they're not essential.
xlr
30/11/2020 12:25:28 2 0
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Indeed. It's very positive news and vindicates Boris going against his own rebels and following scientific advice.

Lockdown is like dieting. It does show results, but it's after time, but you have to have determination and not be discouraged early. And unlike dieting we only have to keep the lockdowns until the vaccine appears.
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30/11/2020 10:16:08 17 20
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Proof that lockdown's do work.
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30/11/2020 10:25:05 2 8
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Wrong
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30/11/2020 10:16:19 17 12
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The idiots will think that someone turned off the 5G masts for a month, and it's nothing to do with lockdown.
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30/11/2020 10:24:25 5 5
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Haha, no... the idiots will believe all the incompetent government tell them, and continue being sheep
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30/11/2020 10:16:25 32 18
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Can we all observe the rules carefully as we each have a responsibility to all in the UK and a covid vaccine will (hopefully) be here soon to protect us all.
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30/11/2020 10:35:32 9 26
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Absolutely not. I'm not following rules that are inconsistent.
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30/11/2020 10:16:42 116 56
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Lockdowns and restrictions work, we are so close now to getting vaccinated and putting an end to this terrible disease, we only have to follow the rules for a little while longer, dont blow it now....
You can have your nano particles in your vaccination with pleasure. In fact you can have mine. You need to read up on the Pfizer ingredients If you have any brains left Removed
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30/11/2020 10:33:13 3 10
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No they do not if they did we would not be in lockdown 2nd or 3rd time
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30/11/2020 10:37:31 18 20
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"this terrible disease"

What, the one that has been all around the world for ten months and has killed only 0.0014% of the population, you mean?
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30/11/2020 11:26:29 4 4
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Then the World Health Organisation and the evidence from numerous studies showing the exact opposite are wrong and you are right....yeah, sure... ??
881
30/11/2020 11:44:02 8 10
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I'm not following rules that are unfair and inconsistent. I've had enough. I'm going to be socially disobedient.
882
30/11/2020 11:44:05 0 3
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The vaccine is only between 70% and 90% effective from suggested figures so far so that means from the population of 55 Million approx for England up to 15 Million could still catch the virus after vaccination - and yes - you can get it twice as my son and his partner has found out to their cost
996
30/11/2020 11:52:19 1 4
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it's a piddling little disease that is following its own course and has been unaffected by lockdowns.
30/11/2020 12:16:18 1 4
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You do understand that the vaccine will not end the virus, it will be something you will need each year along with the flu shot. Less people will carry it. It's important we do not rush into this vaccine until long term effects are known. It takes years to develop and test vaccines, not months
30/11/2020 13:21:37 1 0
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No they don't. The Journal Public Health, Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter Of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins Of Adaptation.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full

it concludes: ‘Stringency of the measures settled to fight pandemia, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked with death rate.’
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30/11/2020 10:13:54 121 54
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Since the lockdown worked I suppose Nicola can get back to spinning this in her favour. Remember political point scoring is more important than saving lives
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30/11/2020 10:17:01 14 13
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I think you are doing the political point scoring here, JJJJ. NS supported lockdown as a means of controlling spread of Covid and preventing health service being overrun. It worked. Not sure what your beef is??
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30/11/2020 10:36:18 9 9
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Political point scoring by someone like JJJJ on HYS is harmless, political point scoring by someone like Sturgeon, or the CRG, has the potential to have real negative impacts on people's lives.
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30/11/2020 10:17:35 14 12
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Moving in the right direction.

Good to see clear and accurate data from the UK.

Data from other country countries, like Spain, looks confusing and not accurate.

But their government does not appear to get the scrutiny ours does.
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30/11/2020 10:14:19 311 37
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Are they serious? There is no lockdown. Not in London. A few businesses have been punished but there is no lockdown as people are everywhere. Totally packed. Shops, parks, transport. Everywhere.
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30/11/2020 10:17:52 206 10
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Couldn't agree more. My part of Surrey at the weekend was exactly the same and has been all month. Apart from the notable parts of the high street that were shut, you would struggle to know there were restrictions in place.
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30/11/2020 10:30:20 2 3
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Depends on what part of Surrey you live in. Richmond upon Thames (one of the highest rates in London) is in Surrey as is Haslemere on the West Sussex and Hamphire border.
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30/11/2020 11:00:50 0 0
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Likewise: and still the rate of infection falls?
30/11/2020 12:07:42 0 0
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Yep. Newlands Corner was a free for all, over 100 bikers and a queue to park cars, Silent Pool was the same. Locals were having trouble finding parking spaces outside their own homes.

They really do need reigning in an restrictions imposed. Not being a killjoy, but we don't need potential Covid spreaders from elsewhere in the area making things worse.
MS
30/11/2020 12:44:29 2 0
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Maybe everyone who was out was just doing the same as you. You were out observing the masses and passing judgment.

Same as traffic jams, you are not stuck in traffic - you are the traffic.
30/11/2020 16:58:57 0 0
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South East can do what they like, London in Tier 2 and the Derbyshire Peak District in Tier 3,
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30/11/2020 10:12:01 78 17
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Fantastic news, what a great way to start the week.

"The React-1 study is highly respected and gives us the most up-to-date picture of Covid-19 in the country."
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30/11/2020 10:18:02 66 113
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The Conservative "Covid Research Group" will be doing everything it can to fight this progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human suffering.
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PJB
30/11/2020 10:31:25 17 14
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What rubbish.
The CRG is calling for a fair approach which is not divisive.
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30/11/2020 11:15:23 4 9
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In the Conservative party, research seems to mean negative propaganda.
xlr
30/11/2020 12:17:30 4 5
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It's not called Covid Research Group, it's called the Covid Recovery Group.

It's like when they got together and tried to form euphemisms for a movement solely dedicated to prioritising economy over human life, they decided the word 'research' wasn't a good word for their expert-hating target audience.
30/11/2020 12:50:30 1 5
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The CRG are the only people standing up for the vast majority who have had their lives all but snuffed out unnecessarily.

And I have never once voted Tory, but good luck to them.

Labour & the SNP would have us all in dungeons "for our own safety".
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30/11/2020 10:18:07 26 27
bbc
Shows that Starmer was spot ON when he called for a 3 week Lockdown weeks before it happened and once again Johnson and his Cronies were were found to be asleep at wheel, but there again WHAT'S NEW with this Tory shower.
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30/11/2020 10:19:53 21 14
bbc
Wake up, Starmer has not been right about anything.
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30/11/2020 10:22:23 5 2
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No. Test Trace and Isolate works, not lockdown. Starmer was just guessing.
Where's the Great Barrington Declaration when you need it?
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30/11/2020 10:26:38 7 2
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Wales had the half term 2 week circuit breaker - it achieved very little and they've now introduced more restrictions.
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30/11/2020 10:35:10 1 1
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You'll never convince the Tories, they're either too stupid or too robotic
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30/11/2020 10:18:52 5 7
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Minimising contact works, what a surprise! We shall keep following this mantra and delay the virus until a vaccine saves us seems to be the strategy. Will React perform a study on the number of lives lost due to mental health, fear and not accessing treatment in a timely manner? Thought not, might prove there is a better way!
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30/11/2020 11:22:10 0 0
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DO people realise that we may not be able to meet indoors for months.How is that going to work when its freezing,raining and snowing.It gets dark at 3.30 so who wants to walk in the dark.Does this Gov live on this planet.I think they have become so obsessed by lockdowns they have truly lost the plot as the definition of madness is doing same thing over and over and expecting different result.
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30/11/2020 10:12:56 480 72
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A fall of -30% over 12 days might not appear dramatic to some, but it has to be compared with the rise of +100% every 9 days before lockdown. That is a massive result.

The headline focusing on just the 30% part of this is not doing justice to the achievement.
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30/11/2020 10:18:56 51 91
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All these numbers are misleading. Even BBC pointed this out that when the lockdown 2.0 was being announced we were supposed to have 1000 deaths a day. Did we? These are numbers not facts.
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30/11/2020 10:27:06 66 6
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That was a worst-case prediction. In actual fact we achieved 500-600.

This report contains actual data - from the past. You can't compare its reliability with predictions of future levels.
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30/11/2020 10:41:49 31 6
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Were you not listening?

Or does it simply suit your rhetoric to mis-report the facts?

The 'science' was that - without a second lockdown - deaths would have exceeded 1000 a day. There was a lockdown so they did not - although the most recent spike last week of over 700 daily cases is nothing to be proud of, nor is the 460 daily average, which remains on the rise.

THESE are the facts.
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30/11/2020 10:19:00 6 4
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Don't worry. Doris's Christmas plans will soon reverse this.
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30/11/2020 10:19:37 2 8
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72,000 a day over lockdown? How is this a 30% drop when the average before lockdown was 15 - 20,000. Someone is telling porkies!
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30/11/2020 10:21:47 3 1
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There were 100,000 per day at the end of October. Read the article!
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30/11/2020 10:26:43 1 1
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You're confusing two different measurements. 15 - 20,000 positive tests per day through the testing system v. statistical analysis of random sampling through ONS sampling. The latter will test asymptomatic folk, and count those as having contracted the virus. No-one is lying, stop imaging conspiracies where none exist...
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30/11/2020 10:19:38 6 7
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It’s good news the R has been brought down but with numbers of cases still high it’s risks a large increase and third lockdown as restrictions are eased.

It’s amazing this Government didn’t learn the lesson of delaying the first lockdown.

Instead we are fed the false dichotomy of Economy vs Restrictions... countries that have had the most severe lockdowns have also had the least economic impact
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30/11/2020 10:12:56 480 72
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A fall of -30% over 12 days might not appear dramatic to some, but it has to be compared with the rise of +100% every 9 days before lockdown. That is a massive result.

The headline focusing on just the 30% part of this is not doing justice to the achievement.
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30/11/2020 10:19:47 56 80
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Conservative "Covid Research Group" is doing everything it can to reverse progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human lives.
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30/11/2020 10:21:43 78 32
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“Conservative "Covid Research Group" is doing everything it can to reverse progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human lives.”

—-

Its title is as ironic as European Research Group.
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30/11/2020 10:23:45 19 7
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Long term economic security? What's that, the new "Second Coming", the modern "Kingdom of heaven on earth"?
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30/11/2020 10:18:07 26 27
bbc
Shows that Starmer was spot ON when he called for a 3 week Lockdown weeks before it happened and once again Johnson and his Cronies were were found to be asleep at wheel, but there again WHAT'S NEW with this Tory shower.
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30/11/2020 10:19:53 21 14
bbc
Wake up, Starmer has not been right about anything.
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30/11/2020 10:42:29 0 2
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That's why Labour have STORMED and CRUISED into the lead and PULLING AWAY in the latest opinion polls and left Johnson looking for Starmers support now.
851
30/11/2020 11:41:02 1 0
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Starmer is right about everything, two weeks after the fact! :)
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30/11/2020 10:19:54 14 13
bbc
Does anyone else see that if we were having 100,000 new cases a day and still having 72,000 new cases a day, this virus is not as deadly as we have been brainwashed into believing.
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30/11/2020 10:30:29 5 3
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I don't really understand what you're getting at. 200+ dying a day may not be the black death, but it's a lot. And even if you don't think that is too bad, the key point is that if you let it run riot, hospitals will be overwhelmed and the mortality rate will shoot up for COVID, as well as over conditions. Without tackling it, we could easily get above 1,000 a day dying.

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30/11/2020 10:20:01 6 8
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We shouldn't be getting too high or low with the figures we see everyday. They must be viewed in a far wider context than any press outlet has given them, a day here or a week there is ultimately meaningless. This is a marathon, not a sprint and as a such, there needs to be a far longer sustained period of infections before we can look at safely relaxing restrictions.
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30/11/2020 10:34:53 1 4
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No, we could safely relax the restrictions today if adequate provision was made to protect the vulnerable. Instead we have a blend of dithering and tyranny.
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30/11/2020 10:18:13 9 8
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Very pleased our sacrifices are paying off.
It's incumbent upon on us all to keep our elderly and vulnerable safe over Christmas. It's never a good time to lose a loved one, but from experience, Christmas, a family time, couldn't be worse.
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30/11/2020 10:50:57 0 3
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Why dont they ask the older people if they want to be protected.If they only have a few years left they would like to spend it with their loved ones not locked in their homes in isolation.How dare the Gov dictate to us how to live our lives.They need to get out and see how their strategy is affecting lives.Cure worse than disease.
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Ian
30/11/2020 10:14:52 84 73
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???? The economic cost of getting rates down by 30% has been devastating

?? Peoples' lives have been devastated, businesses destroyed.

?? Nations of the world must start asking questions

?? Where did this virus come from?

?? Was it man made?

?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

These questions must be asked.
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30/11/2020 10:18:53 71 18
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I'm also not liking the fact no one is discussing China. The chaos they have caused through lies alone...shameful.

I'm not saying the average Chinese person - I'm talking about those in power who had all they needed to stop this but didn't (allowing external flights, pretending all is fine, instantly covering up potential virus sources, etc)
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PJB
30/11/2020 10:25:44 15 1
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Gecko. Don't be apologist, it's not racist to call out an evil regime, even Ronald Reagan managed it without being compromised.
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30/11/2020 10:30:58 16 3
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Totally agree - been very ‘quiet’ in the press and media regarding China! In fact the only news item I’ve seen of late was ‘singing the praises ‘ for how China has handled the pandemic and how they were ‘back to normal’ - wet markets and all....
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30/11/2020 10:33:45 1 1
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I went on a well know social site and said, that it was impossible that the city that was the centre of the outbreak could be now infection free, therefore that country had 'mis-spoke'. I was banned for hate speech by the algorithm.
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30/11/2020 10:32:24 0 2
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"I'm also not liking the fact no one is discussing China"

I'd imagine spies are all over them like flies.
Lets wait and see.
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30/11/2020 10:43:09 3 4
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how else would they get trump out with out postal votes in the millions?
It's all too convenient too much of this is all too convenient. Not a single MSM outlet discussing Biden his connections with China his dementia and his 40 plus lobbyists and his son Hunter. You could not make the cover any more obvious. We are being played.
30/11/2020 12:57:39 0 0
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It would be very interesting to check back on the videos showing Chinese collapsing in the street and being carted away by men(?) in 'space suits' then ask, how did such a lethal virus only kill 4,700 across the whole of China? Someone is lying about something, but why?
30/11/2020 13:00:52 0 0
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Y-e-e-e-e-s. Tough luck There is no taking China to task. Complete embargo on Chinese goods? That'll end up damaging the economy in the rest of the World and lead to more poverty deaths than C19.
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30/11/2020 10:20:36 2 1
bbc
‘Major Study’, must be legit!! Lockdown, what lockdown??
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30/11/2020 10:20:49 164 17
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Official deaths always lower than media :- Statistics » COVID-19 Daily Deaths (england.nhs.uk) , no information given about recovery rates, average length of hospital stays, average age of patients in hospital, co-morbidity etc. Whilst not in any way denigrating the seriousness of the situation, I feel the public still deserve the full facts and justifications for the assigned tiers.
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30/11/2020 10:28:09 114 19
bbc
Many areas have undergone lock-down, only to come out of it in a higher tier. Infection rates have come down, so the government are obviously using different metrics to the media. They need to get their finger out and explain the basis for their decisions or they will just see mass rebellion.

What happened to explain and encourage?
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30/11/2020 10:37:36 26 5
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The fact that everyone who has had a positive test during last 28 days but may have died of any number of reasons tells you that all these figures make no sense.They need to tell us exactly who has died of Covid not with Covid,bigdifference.Lets get on with it and people need to grow a backbone and not believe all the media hype
30/11/2020 12:08:37 4 0
bbc
Yes the public do need the full facts and justifications. Why are they still not forthcoming? And why would people react to the comment with a thumbs down? Surely any intelligent person would welcome full transparency?
30/11/2020 12:15:58 2 2
bbc
I don't dissagree with you but would note that after the Gov't advised against wearing masks, now recognised as being to maximise supply available to key workers, Covidiots used this as an excuse not to wear masks. They can publish facts but will undoubtedly need to amend advice as not an exact science, which will then be used by Covidiots to not comply.
30/11/2020 12:50:57 0 0
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Most of the public can't digest even the basic version of the facts, let alone the full version. If they were fed too much scientific evidence then they'd simply resort to even more flat-earth, 5G, anti-vax conspiracy theories or other forms of blathering.
30/11/2020 13:21:08 0 0
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Facts would not suit the agenda one little bit.
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30/11/2020 10:20:55 3 4
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Fancy that. You don't mix of sand the infection rates falls. What do you do ?

Get some numpty to decide we should all mix again for a week. Bonkers !!!
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Rob
30/11/2020 10:20:56 193 85
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Good to see the figures coming down, but all the lockdowns do, is push the virus underground until lockdown is eased and then it resurges, but worse than before.
So we need to protect the vulnerable & elderly, and let everyone else live their lives as they want including businesses.
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30/11/2020 10:23:47 58 157
bbc
Not many people agree with you.
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30/11/2020 10:24:09 8 6
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Hi Rob, that is exactly what they said before the March restrictions, to stop a surge in cases and thereby prevent overwhelming the NHS.
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30/11/2020 10:35:27 23 17
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Well said.I have been saying this all along.Virus is always going to come back when lockdowns lifted.We cannot live in a constant cycle of lockdowns which do far more harm than good.Cure worse than disease.Media hysteria is the main problem and people following rules like sheep.This is supposed to be a democracy not a dictatorship.
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30/11/2020 10:41:29 22 17
bbc
I'm one of the elderly and follow the rules and all I want to do is go to my local garden Center and have a coffee and cake in their cafe (which is the best Covid secure place I have seen) with my wife but thanks to all the idiots not following the rules I can't even do it in tier 3 never mind the lockdown, don't expect anywhere in tier 3 to go down a tier this side of the new year
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30/11/2020 11:01:46 5 8
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That pesky virus with it's underground guerilla warfare tactics. I bet it's in the sewers right now, just waiting to spill out and take over the world. Don't be a wally.
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30/11/2020 11:04:05 4 9
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Who'd have thought that a virus would evolve when in isolation and that all this lockdown does is create a multitude of different strains thanks to genetic drift and natural selection ??
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QED
30/11/2020 11:11:12 8 6
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Lockdown does protect the vulnerable, and you too. Only needs to stay until enough of us are vaccinated to suppress the virus. But you want to kill more people so you can do what you want a bit earlier. The vulnerable and everyone who has their life ruined by long COVID thanks you for your patience and understanding.
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30/11/2020 11:28:21 7 1
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No we don't need to protect the vulnerable and elderly, what we need to do is let them make their own decisions about their own safety and decide in what sense they feel vulnerable based on where they live; spending their later years with family vs getting the virus. These people have been through a world war and have more about them than Boris and co think.
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30/11/2020 11:55:42 2 5
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I truly think the same we can’t keep going hiding then coming out again every time the virus cases rise then fall. We just need to stop and let this virus take it’s course. Allow a cure to be discovered and use it to destroy it. These lockdowns have done much more damage then the virus itself.
992
30/11/2020 11:55:43 2 0
bbc
There are hundreds of thousands in vulnerable groups for one reason or another. Practical solutions?
30/11/2020 12:23:26 0 1
bbc
Wisest thing said on this thread , unfortunately will not go down well with the everybody who doesnt agree with me is a selfish moron , washing your hands and keeping your distance will kill the virus brigade
30/11/2020 12:28:00 0 0
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Where do you get your facts? Advice from very early on was the the virus dies if denied a host for 72 hours - are you saying it actually survives much longer outside of a host body?
30/11/2020 12:28:56 2 0
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Alternatively the level of resurgence is, at least in part, due to self proclaimed experts such as yourself not following rules because it doesn't suit your choices.

I wonder if we locked up the Covidiots (rather than the vulnerable), if the virus would subside enough to allow the economy to recover more quickly?
30/11/2020 12:46:32 3 0
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The only way to reduce the chances of the elderly & vulnerable becoming infected is to reduce the transmission of the virus within the population.
That's what we're doing.
You CANNOT protect them by locking them up, as they still need contact in order to survive.
30/11/2020 13:52:35 1 0
bbc
Agreed, lockdown is not a long-term solution, but it stops everyone being in hospital at the same time. That's what it's for.
30/11/2020 15:11:48 1 0
bbc
i just wonder what counts as elderly these days? with many people working 'til 66 years old and possibly vulnerable as well as aging? Surely the aim is to give all people a chance of living through Covid and the chance to start working again. Can't do that once you're dead.
30/11/2020 20:16:19 0 0
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Although the elderly & vulnerable account for majority of the deaths, don’t be misguided that the young and fit don’t end up in hospital, or with significant morbidity (ie long covid) as a result of infection. Even if it were possible to fully shield the vulnerable there would still be real risks of the NHS becoming overwhelmed without measures to suppress the virus.
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30/11/2020 10:13:06 239 70
bbc
Finally, some good news! Hope with the jab in January we can emerge from this and get on with life. Cue....anti maskers, anti vaxxers etc. It wasn't made any easier by you guys! Ha ha. Good news finally!
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OwO
30/11/2020 10:21:14 96 118
bbc
With most people ignoring the lockdown, how is this in any way an endorsement of that strategy?

Being critical takes actual thought, not just blindly following the media line.
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30/11/2020 10:26:15 27 5
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I have followed the guidelines old chap. Learning how to disagree without insulting folk is a skill you should acquire. Keep your negative comments to yourself in the national interest might be a far off concept for you and your ilk but the above is good news. Sorry, not buying into your griping. Heard too enough of that rot in 2020 to last me a lifetime and I'm sure I'm not alone there.
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30/11/2020 10:36:18 34 2
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"With most people ignoring the lockdown"

Where I live in Yorkshire, most people are sticking to the lockdown. This is why cases are falling rapidly, and are less than half what they were at the peak.

Unfortunately, there is a significant minority of people who are ignoring it. If there were not, I suspect we would have reduced cases enough to have been in Tier 2 (or even 1) by now.
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30/11/2020 11:12:37 5 1
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It takes actual facts as well - not conspiracy theories.
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30/11/2020 11:31:22 3 0
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No, actually it is good news, no matter what the causes are.
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ben
30/11/2020 11:48:34 3 1
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.. so it's 'stop the lockdown!' from one half of the flat-earthers, & 'there isn't even a lockdown! ' from the other half??
30/11/2020 12:34:19 1 0
bbc
"Cue....anti maskers, anti vaxxers etc. It wasn't made any easier by you guys! Ha ha"

Confirmed by OwO's comment.
30/11/2020 12:38:44 2 0
bbc
"With most people ignoring the lockdown, how is this in any way an endorsement of that strategy?" By your reckoning the only thing that lockdown has prevented is gathering in pubs and shopping for non-essentials so these are OBVIOUSLY the key thing in this success
30/11/2020 12:39:54 3 1
bbc
Most people AREN'T "ignoring lockdown", so your premise falls at the first fence.

Being critical does indeed take actual thought.

You might wish to try it some time...
30/11/2020 12:58:12 3 0
bbc
It is not true at all that most people are ignoring the lockdown. Everyday habits have changed in most cases. Very few people completely ignore the new normal protocols.
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30/11/2020 10:12:59 13 12
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Which is exactly why there should be no relaxation over Xmas.
There will be no resurrection at Easter for grandparents or people with acute underlying issues, after some hugs and close up contact over Xmas.
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30/11/2020 10:21:23 3 4
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Why would you be going close enough to someone to give them a hug right now, Christmas or otherwise??

Just like you argue Covid has no notion of Christmas, underlying health issues and vulnerabilities don't stop for Christmas either.
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30/11/2020 10:21:33 0 3
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Are you saying that there’s been 792,000 cases of ‘thevirus’ in that time? Surely not
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Ian
30/11/2020 10:14:52 84 73
bbc
???? The economic cost of getting rates down by 30% has been devastating

?? Peoples' lives have been devastated, businesses destroyed.

?? Nations of the world must start asking questions

?? Where did this virus come from?

?? Was it man made?

?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

These questions must be asked.
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30/11/2020 10:21:34 10 23
bbc
The impact of Brexit on the economy and peoples lives has yet to be assessed.
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30/11/2020 10:21:42 7 9
bbc
It's now a pseudo-epidemic, just like with swine flu.
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30/11/2020 10:19:47 56 80
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Conservative "Covid Research Group" is doing everything it can to reverse progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human lives.
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30/11/2020 10:21:43 78 32
bbc
“Conservative "Covid Research Group" is doing everything it can to reverse progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human lives.”

—-

Its title is as ironic as European Research Group.
612
30/11/2020 11:14:36 4 7
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Whenever groups of Tory are just dead set against anything, they form a "Research Group" as they think the title gives them credibility, as you mention with European Research Group which is out & out against EU, & likewise with the China Research Group against China. Strangely all these "Research Groups" follow Trumpian doctrines. Maybe a Fair US Election Research Group of Tories next.
56
30/11/2020 10:21:45 8 15
bbc
Cases were falling in most areas before lockdown started. The whole thing is a con.
87
30/11/2020 10:25:18 5 2
bbc
Evidence?
89
SEB
30/11/2020 10:25:21 1 1
bbc
I'm sorry but cases are going up in Lincolnshire, particularly Boston. Admissions and deaths from covid higher than 1st wave
91
30/11/2020 10:25:32 1 1
bbc
If it's a con, who benefits?
103
30/11/2020 10:24:39 2 2
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Troll alert!
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Ian
30/11/2020 10:14:52 84 73
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???? The economic cost of getting rates down by 30% has been devastating

?? Peoples' lives have been devastated, businesses destroyed.

?? Nations of the world must start asking questions

?? Where did this virus come from?

?? Was it man made?

?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

These questions must be asked.
57
30/11/2020 10:21:45 14 3
bbc
?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

Good luck with that.
171
30/11/2020 10:32:11 3 0
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Absolutely ! But I won’t hold my breath on that !
38
30/11/2020 10:19:37 2 8
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72,000 a day over lockdown? How is this a 30% drop when the average before lockdown was 15 - 20,000. Someone is telling porkies!
58
30/11/2020 10:21:47 3 1
bbc
There were 100,000 per day at the end of October. Read the article!
124
30/11/2020 10:28:37 0 0
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Dont be foolish, do the maths. 1.6 million since the start in the UK.
59
30/11/2020 10:21:50 14 6
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Amazing timing this study, what with the lockdown vote in Parliament tomorrow.

Doesn’t answer the question of whether a 30% drop in cases is equitable to the utter devastation of peoples lives and livelihoods that lockdowns creates.
464
30/11/2020 10:57:53 3 0
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The politicisation of science in all its glory. At least respected members of the scientific community are beginning to speak up.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425
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30/11/2020 10:21:55 4 6
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So why is my area now in Tier 2 when we were in Tier 1 before lockdown 2.0?

Does anyone in Govt or SAGE know what they're doing?
83
30/11/2020 10:24:20 4 5
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Well either a) they just don't like you, or b) there is a data-based reason.
Up to you which you believe.
109
30/11/2020 10:27:09 2 4
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Because tier one was ineffective.
197
30/11/2020 10:34:38 0 0
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Yes, simple isn't it. You're not confused, you know where you live and you know what the restrictions will be in a few days. Great communication!
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Ian
30/11/2020 10:14:52 84 73
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???? The economic cost of getting rates down by 30% has been devastating

?? Peoples' lives have been devastated, businesses destroyed.

?? Nations of the world must start asking questions

?? Where did this virus come from?

?? Was it man made?

?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

These questions must be asked.
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PJB
30/11/2020 10:22:08 16 1
bbc
Agreed Ian, but you won't see it happen.
Xi Binjing (I paraphrase) said the other day I don't care whether you have 5 eyes ot 10 eyes back off or else and they are now spoiling for a trade war with Australia as well as building man made Chinese "islands around the Pacific.

Bad Moon Rising.
62
30/11/2020 10:22:18 16 5
bbc
Have the government jumped too soon with the new tier system? Cases were already dropping and the effects will only be known in a wee or so, why do they never give the measures time to work?
156
30/11/2020 10:31:02 8 3
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Because Boris has to be seen to be doing something! He's been slated for dithering, so he now flips to wanting to be seen as decisive!??
184
30/11/2020 10:33:10 0 1
bbc
So you want the lockdown to continue for longer?
63
30/11/2020 10:22:22 20 11
bbc
The infection rate where I live is below the National Average and below 13 boroughs of London. I'm in Tier 3 and London is in Tier 2. There is no fairness or consistency to the system so why should we follow it?
93
30/11/2020 10:25:40 11 4
bbc
I think they said there were about 5 different criteria they used to determine the Tiers.
137
30/11/2020 10:29:42 2 1
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Because the Tories aren't going to go hard on their key areas!??
Removed
179
30/11/2020 10:32:43 0 1
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Look at the actual numbers of infection....
286
30/11/2020 10:41:37 4 0
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Allocation of Tiers is more nuanced. Besides current infection rate they looked at issues such as whether cases are falling or rising, and how much capacity hospitals have. So an area where cases are falling and with plenty of hospital capacity doesn’t need extra measures. An area with rising infections, even current infections are low, needs extra measures to reverse the trend.
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30/11/2020 10:46:18 5 4
bbc
Because it is based on more criteria than you have considered. That your comment has twice as many upvotes as down shows why we are where we are.
30/11/2020 12:48:43 0 0
bbc
Perhaps because the government doesn't give your home address it's own Tier? Just a thought!
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PJB
30/11/2020 10:15:39 9 15
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So then Boris & Hancock may we suggest a comprehensive reassessment of your crazy tiering system in the light of new data.
64
30/11/2020 10:22:23 6 2
bbc
If the tier system is crazy what do you suggest? Why are so many other s following similar paths to beat the virus?
119
PJB
30/11/2020 10:28:13 1 1
bbc
A fair system which is not so blatantly Southern / London centric.
30/11/2020 13:01:55 0 0
bbc
Why are they struggling to do so likewise?
34
30/11/2020 10:18:07 26 27
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Shows that Starmer was spot ON when he called for a 3 week Lockdown weeks before it happened and once again Johnson and his Cronies were were found to be asleep at wheel, but there again WHAT'S NEW with this Tory shower.
65
30/11/2020 10:22:23 5 2
bbc
No. Test Trace and Isolate works, not lockdown. Starmer was just guessing.
Where's the Great Barrington Declaration when you need it?
66
30/11/2020 10:22:42 2 4
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Its all worth destroying the economy over.
130
30/11/2020 10:29:07 2 1
bbc
What's "destroying" the economy has been the Govts inept handling of the pandemic! It's ironic how Boris slated Corbyn for being a ditherer, yet has himself dithered throughout the crisis! 6/4 on Boris going next year!??
271
30/11/2020 10:40:11 0 0
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It’s a false dichotomy!!

Look at;
- Australia
- New Zealand
- Singapore
- South Korea
- Thailand
- China

All much stricter much earlier lockdowns and much smaller impacts to economies!
67
30/11/2020 10:22:56 10 11
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You don't need to be an epidemiologist/data expert to see that lockdowns work.There is a cost to livelihoods/mental health but to come through a pandemic,collateral damage is inevitable.We are almost at mass vaccination stage - if the easing of restrictions over Christmas results in a substantial increase in infections/deaths by the end of Jan/early Feb, there'll be a lot of troubled consciences.
161
30/11/2020 10:31:32 3 2
bbc
"collateral damage is inevitable"

No it isn't.
162
30/11/2020 10:31:33 0 1
bbc
Correct . . . you cannot control a virus! . . You might be able to slow it but NOT control it.
204
30/11/2020 10:35:08 0 1
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You are aware that the pandemic was over by July? (Tail of the Gompertz curve). That "collateral damage" is immense when taking a world view. We are seeing levels of deaths commensurate with a seasonal respiratory virus, influenza is another, just that we are still in delay mode.
358
30/11/2020 10:48:50 0 0
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If the Gov makes the same mess of vaccine rollout as the test and trace shambles,I wouldnt hold my breath for a vaccine any time soon.Meanwhile the country is going into economic meltdown and people's lives are being ruined.This is one disease when people are dying every day.Lockdowns just kick the can down the road.
18
30/11/2020 10:15:01 14 12
bbc
Good news but only halving every 37 days is still a sobering indication of how long we have to go. And this is after a lockdown as well. Be very lucky if we have much normality back by summer.
68
30/11/2020 10:23:04 1 5
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The only normality about summer will be you can sit outside your house not inside, everywhere else will still be shut.
29
30/11/2020 10:16:42 116 56
bbc
Lockdowns and restrictions work, we are so close now to getting vaccinated and putting an end to this terrible disease, we only have to follow the rules for a little while longer, dont blow it now....
69
bbc
You can have your nano particles in your vaccination with pleasure. In fact you can have mine. You need to read up on the Pfizer ingredients If you have any brains left Removed
106
30/11/2020 10:27:01 26 10
bbc
You really are sad, nearly 60,000 deaths, what's it going to take for you to realise that this has the potential to wipe out millions and to continue for years unless it is eradicated, Vaccination is the way forward....
Lots of Dihydrogen monoxide I've heard...
208
30/11/2020 10:35:22 21 0
bbc
You and your friends all got it wrong, what I heard is that the vaccine actually gives you 5G!
555
30/11/2020 11:09:29 13 1
bbc
Read up where? On a tinfoil hatters, anti-vaxxers, QAnon website?
xlr
30/11/2020 12:18:24 1 0
bbc
It's the mega particles you have to watch for. They get Wile E Coyote all the time
30/11/2020 13:22:46 0 0
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it is the -70c that intrigues me, they won't be injecting it into you at that temperature, so how is it going to cope getting up to a safe temperature to inject?
10
30/11/2020 10:14:03 18 16
bbc
Cue comments from the lockdown brigade such as 'imagine how much lower it would have been if they closed schools, borders and univerities' - nothing if not predictable!
70
30/11/2020 10:23:15 4 4
bbc
Also what would have been the impact on the 1st wave if the lock down had been applied earlier.
71
30/11/2020 10:23:25 6 2
bbc
Open the Pubs and you wont have a rebellion ...
Happy to have shops 24hr though
Have any of them been to the Supermarket lately ?
Its like a Chinese fire drill all the time !
72
a_a
30/11/2020 10:21:06 6 5
bbc
They fall by 100% when you do the lockdown properly
152
30/11/2020 10:30:51 2 0
bbc
So does the value of the economy.
199
30/11/2020 10:34:47 1 0
bbc
well no.. Northern Italy was locked up to the point of distress and the curve is the same as here.
6
30/11/2020 10:13:06 239 70
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Finally, some good news! Hope with the jab in January we can emerge from this and get on with life. Cue....anti maskers, anti vaxxers etc. It wasn't made any easier by you guys! Ha ha. Good news finally!
73
30/11/2020 10:23:31 22 15
bbc
Don't forget the luddites in the Conservative party with thier jokingly named "Covid Research Group" who have been fighting the correct response the whole time.
183
30/11/2020 10:32:51 33 3
bbc
People blame governments for their moronic behaviour. Governments can set rules but if people are too stupid and ignorant to follow them that’s not the government’s fault. If a government imposed martial law the do-gooders would be up in arms.
30/11/2020 12:59:17 0 0
bbc
They may not be completely right but they have legitimate concerns about the economy.
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30/11/2020 10:19:47 56 80
bbc
Conservative "Covid Research Group" is doing everything it can to reverse progress in the name of short term profit over long term economic security and human lives.
74
30/11/2020 10:23:45 19 7
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Long term economic security? What's that, the new "Second Coming", the modern "Kingdom of heaven on earth"?
75
30/11/2020 10:23:46 12 7
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Good. Most people are doing the right things.

Let us hope that over the 5 day Christmas opening up people act with a little restraint and common sense. We don’t want to be back to square one.

If things move the way they are I can see quite a few places going into a less restrictive tier when it is reviewed next. Its in our hands. If we want the freedoms then we must behave.
112
30/11/2020 10:27:34 4 1
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Most people are doing the right thing. I'm shielding elderly and vulnerable relatives but still seeing friends and family who are not vulnerable or who have already had it.
145
30/11/2020 10:30:20 2 5
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"If we want the freedoms then we must behave"

Ja, mein Fuhrer.
339
30/11/2020 10:46:34 2 5
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The Gov must stop dictating how we live our lives.Are we supposed to be grateful to be 'allowed' out at Xmas.Why are people like sheep and accepting these rules which are nonsensical.This is like living in North Korea not a democracy.Wake up.We are not being given the true picture and those MPs are quite right to rebel.
30/11/2020 11:59:03 0 4
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Sorry but freedom in the UK are a hard fought for basic right not a privilege to be withdrawn on a whim. Why should some lemon in London, who in normal circumstances I wouldn't trust to feed the cat, tell me who I can and can't meet in my own home / where I can travel etc. If an occupying force imposed something like this there would be organised resistance as per 1939-45.
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Rob
30/11/2020 10:20:56 193 85
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Good to see the figures coming down, but all the lockdowns do, is push the virus underground until lockdown is eased and then it resurges, but worse than before.
So we need to protect the vulnerable & elderly, and let everyone else live their lives as they want including businesses.
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30/11/2020 10:23:47 58 157
bbc
Not many people agree with you.
421
30/11/2020 10:56:10 15 4
bbc
That doesnt mean he is wrong
534
30/11/2020 11:05:58 14 1
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Oh I don't know, a few more agree than you I'd say
548
30/11/2020 11:08:11 12 1
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The number of upvotes versus downvotes appear to tell a different story, both regarding Rob's opinion and yours (Wise1).
559
30/11/2020 11:09:53 2 3
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Mainly because it doesn't work.
655
30/11/2020 11:15:55 5 2
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Not many people agreed with Hitler's critics initially either.
689
30/11/2020 11:22:08 3 3
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Fortunately, the number is increasing as we achieve a level of community immunity to Whitty Vallence Syndrome.
703
30/11/2020 11:23:14 2 1
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Sure about that ? - not what I hear
788
30/11/2020 11:32:57 0 0
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i think that may be to do with the average age of a HYSer!
857
30/11/2020 11:41:19 2 0
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You certainly set yourself up for that one. What a wally.
30/11/2020 12:08:50 0 0
bbc
Sadly people are idiots
30/11/2020 12:35:40 0 0
bbc
So what, he's right, they are wrong.
30/11/2020 12:46:11 0 0
bbc
The thumbs down to your remark suggest otherwise!
30/11/2020 12:47:50 0 0
bbc
127 v 59 at the moment Over 2:1. If Brexit had that kind of majority, no one would have quibbled.

And your support 38 v 98 about 2:5... even less.
30/11/2020 13:14:26 0 0
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By the looks of it, not many people agree with you.
77
30/11/2020 10:23:51 1 2
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What’s the error - in statistics you get data and confidence values for the data.

So if it’s net 10% that’s .88 of the R so as low .79 or as high as .96 if it’s higher than 10% then that could R over 1 or below .75.

You need to know if you need another lockdown or can drop from teir3 to teir2.

Of course if it drops lower and you stay in T3 it says how local nhs is doing.
3
30/11/2020 10:12:56 480 72
bbc
A fall of -30% over 12 days might not appear dramatic to some, but it has to be compared with the rise of +100% every 9 days before lockdown. That is a massive result.

The headline focusing on just the 30% part of this is not doing justice to the achievement.
78
30/11/2020 10:23:53 99 25
bbc
Too true.

Yet there will still be many bleating on that lockdowns don't work.
531
30/11/2020 11:02:58 5 6
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They don't work as a solution they're a delaying tactic. Its our world beating track and trace system that will keep us safe outside of permanent lockdown.....oh wait........
631
30/11/2020 11:16:53 4 4
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Yes, cranks like the World Health Organisation.
SAGE sheep are almost as deadly as the purveyors of dodgy data, broken models and anti-science themselves.
Go read some scientists who have not been proven wrong on every major call if you don't believe me. There are thousands of them.
12
30/11/2020 10:14:04 42 27
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Soon to rise nationally when the 200 idiots from Nottingham University go home for Christmas

And these kids are supposed to be the countries future

Don't stand a chance to we
79
30/11/2020 10:24:01 23 16
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And the idiot protesters in London... It really begs the question, is education wasted on some?
317
30/11/2020 10:44:27 6 5
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People are allowed to protest for their freedoms as the figures that keep being rammed down our throats make no sense and lockdowns are not a way of living.
322
30/11/2020 10:41:46 6 2
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It was Blair that insisted we send so many people to university. No wonder there's a fair percentage of thick ones there now!
8
30/11/2020 10:13:54 121 54
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Since the lockdown worked I suppose Nicola can get back to spinning this in her favour. Remember political point scoring is more important than saving lives
80
30/11/2020 10:24:08 10 6
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I thought only the Eaton toff was allowed to do that.
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Rob
30/11/2020 10:20:56 193 85
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Good to see the figures coming down, but all the lockdowns do, is push the virus underground until lockdown is eased and then it resurges, but worse than before.
So we need to protect the vulnerable & elderly, and let everyone else live their lives as they want including businesses.
81
30/11/2020 10:24:09 8 6
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Hi Rob, that is exactly what they said before the March restrictions, to stop a surge in cases and thereby prevent overwhelming the NHS.
577
30/11/2020 11:11:08 2 2
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But Auntie, Piers, Jacinda, Facebook and Saint Nicola didn't like that so decided to destroy the country instead ??
82
30/11/2020 10:24:13 1 2
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Kent have been told they are unlikely to be moved from tier 3 until April or May at the earliest due to high infection rates
90
30/11/2020 10:25:32 4 8
bbc
Just ignore the rules then. They are a joke anyway.
96
30/11/2020 10:25:51 1 2
bbc
Well Kent will have the most lorries parked up, drivers mingling with nothing to do, so it's pretty obvious!!??
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Rob
30/11/2020 10:28:08 0 0
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I said on a social media app, as I live in Kent, that East Kent & Medway should be in tier 3 & West Kent in tier 2, I also said stop shipping covid patients from the North of the county to the hospitals in the West of the county.
159
30/11/2020 10:31:20 0 1
bbc
By who? Gossipy O'Gossiper? And why not?
60
30/11/2020 10:21:55 4 6
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So why is my area now in Tier 2 when we were in Tier 1 before lockdown 2.0?

Does anyone in Govt or SAGE know what they're doing?
83
30/11/2020 10:24:20 4 5
bbc
Well either a) they just don't like you, or b) there is a data-based reason.
Up to you which you believe.
143
30/11/2020 10:30:17 1 1
bbc
Its normally because they don't like you and your area didn't vote for them. The Government are an inept group of Crooks.
463
30/11/2020 10:56:39 0 0
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That data based reason isn't free from cherry picking or being misleading. There is a growing view that the science is being politicised and respected members of the scientific community are beginning to speak up. Here is an editorial from the British medical journal.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425
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30/11/2020 10:16:19 17 12
bbc
The idiots will think that someone turned off the 5G masts for a month, and it's nothing to do with lockdown.
84
30/11/2020 10:24:25 5 5
bbc
Haha, no... the idiots will believe all the incompetent government tell them, and continue being sheep
26
30/11/2020 10:16:08 17 20
bbc
Proof that lockdown's do work.
85
30/11/2020 10:25:05 2 8
bbc
Wrong
2
30/11/2020 10:12:50 25 23
bbc
So much for "lockdowns don't work" then.
86
30/11/2020 10:25:18 2 3
bbc
They are a last resort when all else fails.
56
30/11/2020 10:21:45 8 15
bbc
Cases were falling in most areas before lockdown started. The whole thing is a con.
87
30/11/2020 10:25:18 5 2
bbc
Evidence?
181
30/11/2020 10:32:48 2 1
bbc
Simple . . . The vast majority of people who get it DON'T die
480
30/11/2020 11:00:32 0 0
bbc
ONS.
88
30/11/2020 10:25:18 7 3
bbc
The government spent over 70 billion on furlough. If you spent that 70 billion soley on protecting the vulnerable, creating more jobs for carers and support groups, the rest of us could have continued to keep the economy going. Every death is a failure by the government to protect the vulnerable.. They should be ashemed of themselves.
150
30/11/2020 10:30:39 3 0
bbc
Eric, even if that plan could have worked (and how you could have protected the vulnerable without mass accurate testing and the awareness of asymptomatic spreaders), that was then and this is now.
56
30/11/2020 10:21:45 8 15
bbc
Cases were falling in most areas before lockdown started. The whole thing is a con.
89
SEB
30/11/2020 10:25:21 1 1
bbc
I'm sorry but cases are going up in Lincolnshire, particularly Boston. Admissions and deaths from covid higher than 1st wave
523
30/11/2020 11:04:45 0 0
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Of course there can be localised spikes but the regional data from the ONS showed that cases were falling in almost all regions at the end of October. If you have trouble understanding the ONS data I'd recommend the analysis and reporting by Professor David Paton, Nottingham University Business School.
82
30/11/2020 10:24:13 1 2
bbc
Kent have been told they are unlikely to be moved from tier 3 until April or May at the earliest due to high infection rates
90
30/11/2020 10:25:32 4 8
bbc
Just ignore the rules then. They are a joke anyway.
146
30/11/2020 10:30:26 2 3
bbc
I take it you dont live in Kent where hospitals are nearly at capacity then - My daughter works in NHS on covid wards and has come home crying when patients die, so dont be a selfish idiot putting nurses and doctors at risk because you think you will be OK
56
30/11/2020 10:21:45 8 15
bbc
Cases were falling in most areas before lockdown started. The whole thing is a con.
91
30/11/2020 10:25:32 1 1
bbc
If it's a con, who benefits?
539
30/11/2020 11:06:31 0 0
bbc
No-one. But politicians have gone too far with these policies now to admit they cause more long-term damage than they prevent.
92
30/11/2020 10:25:37 6 8
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I voted Tory at the last election. I won't be doing so at the next one because of the pigs ear this lot have made of this virus. I like that Kier bloke, he speaks sense.
127
30/11/2020 10:29:03 2 3
bbc
They don't call him Mr 20/20 Hindsight for nothing
134
30/11/2020 10:29:25 3 1
bbc
This virus has nothing to do with Politics my friend . . . What you seem to be saying is 'Show me the politician that can control a virus and I'll be voting for them' . . . err, that'll be the Right Hon Sir Uni Unicorn then
230
30/11/2020 10:35:22 0 1
bbc
I sincerely doubt you have ever voted for Tory.
Sorry, but I just don't!
63
30/11/2020 10:22:22 20 11
bbc
The infection rate where I live is below the National Average and below 13 boroughs of London. I'm in Tier 3 and London is in Tier 2. There is no fairness or consistency to the system so why should we follow it?
93
30/11/2020 10:25:40 11 4
bbc
I think they said there were about 5 different criteria they used to determine the Tiers.
144
30/11/2020 10:30:18 3 1
bbc
Its about time they explained them then.
168
30/11/2020 10:32:03 1 0
bbc
which include how bust hospitals in the area are - and even low covid areas may share hospital with high covid areas.
45
30/11/2020 10:18:53 71 18
bbc
I'm also not liking the fact no one is discussing China. The chaos they have caused through lies alone...shameful.

I'm not saying the average Chinese person - I'm talking about those in power who had all they needed to stop this but didn't (allowing external flights, pretending all is fine, instantly covering up potential virus sources, etc)
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PJB
30/11/2020 10:25:44 15 1
bbc
Gecko. Don't be apologist, it's not racist to call out an evil regime, even Ronald Reagan managed it without being compromised.
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Ian
30/11/2020 10:14:52 84 73
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???? The economic cost of getting rates down by 30% has been devastating

?? Peoples' lives have been devastated, businesses destroyed.

?? Nations of the world must start asking questions

?? Where did this virus come from?

?? Was it man made?

?? Should the world make China pay compensation?

These questions must be asked.
95
30/11/2020 10:25:44 9 8
bbc
Be careful before you point the finger of blame at China, legitimate though that is. Australia is feeling the full force of Xi’s bully boy behaviour in respect of various trade sanctions for daring to point out the obvious about where COVID-19 started, and calling for an enquiry.
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OwO
30/11/2020 10:40:55 4 0
bbc
"Don't call out tyrannical states in case they bully you"

Pathetic
82
30/11/2020 10:24:13 1 2
bbc
Kent have been told they are unlikely to be moved from tier 3 until April or May at the earliest due to high infection rates
96
30/11/2020 10:25:51 1 2
bbc
Well Kent will have the most lorries parked up, drivers mingling with nothing to do, so it's pretty obvious!!??
97
30/11/2020 10:25:55 190 34
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Everybody, but everybody in the UK knows how this virus is transmitted by now. Your destiny is in your hands, (wash 'em), you can't blame anyone else if you don't mask up to prevent infecting others, and keep your distance.
It is not down to a God or fate, it is YOU stop being selfish.

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30/11/2020 10:29:05 134 231
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Actually, the selfish people are those who insist that everybodu's life must be turned upside down and thousands put out of work in order to protect the tiny minority of people who might get seriously ill from this.
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30/11/2020 10:41:55 25 50
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Masks are unhygeniec and useless.Stop being brainwashed by the media.Life must go on as we cant sustain constant lockdowns.Economy is in freefall and peoples lives are being devastated.Covid is not the only disease and people are dying every day. This hysteria has to stop.Our freedoms must be restored.
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30/11/2020 10:46:29 8 19
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The selfish people are those who demand schools operate without social distancing. Staff have no meaningful protection and the risk to them, their families and the wider community is completely ignored.
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30/11/2020 11:30:49 1 3
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And you being sanctimonious!
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30/11/2020 11:53:06 3 5
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yes, i know how it's transmitted, by BBC
30/11/2020 12:51:02 5 0
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You are so correct. Plain common sense, in normal times, you don’t go to see someone with a cold or flu incase you catch it. COMMON SENSE
30/11/2020 12:58:45 2 0
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Very well said, I just hope that all the raves this weekend, along with the deniers anti lockdown mob and the anti Vaccine lot, dont undo all the good work done by those who will follow the rules.
30/11/2020 13:04:59 1 3
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Hmm, so you put 67 million people under house arrest, destroy their lives, their jobs when they are in more danger of dying from the Flu than covid, so you can feel safe, and that isn't selfish?
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30/11/2020 10:21:14 96 118
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With most people ignoring the lockdown, how is this in any way an endorsement of that strategy?

Being critical takes actual thought, not just blindly following the media line.
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30/11/2020 10:26:15 27 5
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I have followed the guidelines old chap. Learning how to disagree without insulting folk is a skill you should acquire. Keep your negative comments to yourself in the national interest might be a far off concept for you and your ilk but the above is good news. Sorry, not buying into your griping. Heard too enough of that rot in 2020 to last me a lifetime and I'm sure I'm not alone there.
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30/11/2020 10:37:54 7 14
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Good for you, most people haven't been. There's a whole world out there you'd be able to see if you weren't too upset over imaginary slightls.
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30/11/2020 11:16:20 0 0
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Cue the usual ping pong/riff raff
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30/11/2020 11:14:51 5 0
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"Cue....anti maskers, anti vaxxers etc. It wasn't made any easier by you guys! Ha ha."
"Learning how to disagree without insulting folk is a skill you should acquire."
I'm none of the things you mention, but you can't insult others whilst simultaneously berating people for doing likewise.
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30/11/2020 10:26:26 2 2
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Sean
There is no fairness or consistency to the system so why should we follow it?"

you don't. legally (haha) you simply need to disapply it in a very limited and specific way

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Shocking piece of propaganda, delivered without caviats into your home by the Unholy Trinity of HMG, The BBC and Neil Fergusons Imperial College.
It's shameful to say, but if you want the truth in this Covid World you need to look beyond the State Broadcaster.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/
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30/11/2020 10:26:37 127 27
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I hate to inform you but people saying they know the truth whilst also having no access to any data and no relevant qualification or experience are not spouting the truth. They are spouting dangerous conspiracies that have in the US at least resulted in people ignoring the advice of expert medical professionals that has led to them catching Covid and sadly passing away
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30/11/2020 10:31:16 26 42
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I completely disagree.
There is now an abundance of high quality research available to anyone who cares to take the time to look for it.
For instance this should see the end of the PCR test as we know it.
https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/
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30/11/2020 11:25:52 2 10
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It’s good to see you have succumbed to the government’s propaganda. It’s amazing how easily led so many on here are.