Brexit: UK in 'last leg' of trade talks with EU, says Raab
29/11/2020 | news | politics | 5,951
The foreign secretary said a deal was possible if the EU side showed "pragmatism" in the coming days.
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29/11/2020 13:10:39 32 35
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Back to the dark ages it is then.
30/11/2020 19:43:22 1 0
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send us a post card
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djf
29/11/2020 13:11:04 20 20
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'Dead leg' would be a better description. Give Barnier his bus fare and leave it at that.
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29/11/2020 13:19:52 15 9
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Because 'they need us more than we need them'?
You're going to be disappointed.
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29/11/2020 13:11:12 11 15
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Aagh!

No comments please. It's Sunday. Better things to do surely!
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29/11/2020 13:25:53 3 3
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Well I've had my bath, washed the car. I'm just about to have my Sunday lunch now. Pity I can't go to the pub, but that's another story.
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29/11/2020 13:11:32 32 33
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Read an interview with some former fishermen last month, wistfully recalling the "golden days" of fishing in Grimsby when "we were like rock stars; gold watches, off the boats and straight down the pub or casino".

Basically, a bunch of folk who want to enrich themselves and are prepared to do it to the detriment of the country.

Sounds right up BoJo's street, to be fair.
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29/11/2020 13:15:09 25 10
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You might want to try hauling nets in a force 9 with an 8 metre swell. You may think differently.
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29/11/2020 13:17:50 12 6
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Maybe people don't want to hand UK resources. Are you happy to give away north sea oil reserves, maybe you won't mind EU countries popping inland and bit to mine or farm.

The fish reserves could be licensed to international companies. But that should be a UK decision, nothing to do with the EU
29/11/2020 17:40:17 0 1
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My brother and two brothers-in-law were killed being fishermen. Only this week fishermen drowned. It’s a very hard and dangerous job. After weeks at sea wouldn’t you feel like hitting the pub?

Not every fisherman had it as good as the example you give. When boats were decommissioned it was only the few owners that had the payouts. Those doing the grafting saw none of it.
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29/11/2020 13:13:26 420 186
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I've been doing a lot of thinking recently and have come to the conclusion that this Brexit thing might not be such a good idea.
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29/11/2020 13:16:02 131 194
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You should've done your thinking before the referendum. Not to worry, all will be fine.
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29/11/2020 13:56:38 13 39
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The principles on which we voted to leave the EU are still valid. What we didn’t vote for was to allow the Tory party from Cameron onwards to make such an unholy horlicks of negotiating a successful departure.
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29/11/2020 14:05:21 5 19
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Try thinking a little harder if possible.
29/11/2020 16:36:24 8 8
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I only wish more citizens realized that 3 years ago
29/11/2020 16:54:05 4 5
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Bit late for that now lol - act is haste and repent at leisure ....!
29/11/2020 17:32:34 1 1
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Amen to that
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29/11/2020 13:13:28 690 196
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Does anyone remember what the benefit of all this was supposed to be?
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29/11/2020 13:18:41 688 286
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Sovereignty, control and freedom, unicorns and sunlit uplands.
And for a bonus, isolation, poverty, loss of respect and Johnson.
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29/11/2020 13:23:58 174 40
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Take back control which this governmentis incapable of? An oven ready deal which is half baked? A smooth transition that would take months, not four years? We were conned by the lies on a big red bus. Can anyone really believe a word this useless government tells us, unless you're a gullible Sun reader?

We've heard it all before.
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29/11/2020 13:25:11 160 36
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Something about taking back control... and then relinquishing that control to other trading giants. I also remember something about this being the easiest deal in history and us holding all the cards. Anyway the long and short of it is that joe public is going to get f'ed in the A and the tories and their chums will get richer.
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29/11/2020 13:25:30 39 109
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In reality it is and was an exercise in activating the idea that people can have an influence on the running of affairs of state. The outcome is not the consequences but the principle of democratic power.
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29/11/2020 13:35:58 123 30
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Disaster capitalists and the Brexiter elite stand to make a cool fortune. All proceeds will be stuffed away in anonymous accounts held in tax havens.
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29/11/2020 13:38:13 41 111
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Sure ... the enactment of a democratic decision and getting on with it having got rid of all those MPs who spent years pretending they put the UK first.
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29/11/2020 13:38:47 90 28
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Well no significant net financial has ever been presented...so must be a warm fuzzy feeling for some people for some reason.. roll on the Brexit festival, or to use its more accurate name 'The festival of Lies'.
Less Poles and Romanians taking Wyanes job, that he's never had? Fewer brown people stealing benefits? Removed
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29/11/2020 13:43:00 125 31
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Essentially, there are 2 underlying drivers of Brexit. Firstly, newspaper publishers have long known that the way to make more profit is to carry a message of outrage and insult, and the EU has been their default whipping boy of years. Secondly, right-wingers needed a home after the National Front became toxic, and the Brexit Party provided a sanitised home for xenophobes. Add gullible people....
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29/11/2020 13:45:33 21 76
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How do you know what benefits there may or not be? Nothing has been finalized, yet the remainers are always demanding answers, 'What are the benefits etc' because you think are superior to brexiteers and that you are some sort of higher power. We don't need to explain anything to the likes of you, you lost, we won. You are still crying about it 4 years later, get over it. It won't be changed.
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29/11/2020 13:47:49 46 10
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Yes old Etononians Tax Havens.
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29/11/2020 13:48:43 5 9
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Yes,
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29/11/2020 13:48:52 27 76
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There was a referendum on whether the UK wanted to be controlled by unelected, champagne-drinking, £100k a year pension claiming bureaucrats from thousands of miles away.

The referendum was in favour to leave by a democratic vote.

Since then those who wanted to stay haven't accepted the result.

They've also had 4 years to move to Europe, instead they've stayed and moaned every single day.
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29/11/2020 13:57:47 24 9
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It was about someone thinking he was churchill and wanting to be remembered for anything, and a knighthood. Think that covered it.
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29/11/2020 13:58:50 12 32
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Yep..

1) End of freedom of movement (check)
2) Continued tariff free access to Single market (check)
3) End of the ECJ (check)
4) Ability to strike own trade deals with RoW based on our strengths in financial services (check)
5) Precursor to CANZUK (check)
6) No membership fee (check)
7) No border in Ireland (check)

Just

8) Return of UK fisheries (TBD)

QED
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29/11/2020 13:59:43 15 29
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yep - simple really EU are no longer in charge
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29/11/2020 13:59:57 24 5
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To get Boris in as pm and to take back control of our peasents ...
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29/11/2020 14:14:20 31 7
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I think Steve Bannon, head of Cambridge Analytica, said something about wanting to start a war. He feels we are due. A lot of ERG Brexiteers, Hannan, Gove, Baker, Mogg etc are just power hungry nationalists who saw an opportunity.
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29/11/2020 14:14:48 27 9
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It would be nice to feel that this is all part of some intelligent masterplan, but looking back on all the Brexiteers predictions as to how it would all pan out it seems likely that no one is actually in control, and this is all just an allmighty c*ck up. Who knew?
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29/11/2020 14:24:43 3 1
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You could educate yourself by reading Tony Benn on it. He expressed it far more eloquently than I could.
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29/11/2020 14:26:34 0 12
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Clearly having dementia makes you vulnerable, so stay locked-down this Christmas.
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29/11/2020 14:27:16 21 4
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To free the UK government from anything to do with workers' rights, fair pay and conditions, equal pay for women, limited working hours, I'm sure there was something else... oh yes, to avoid any EU bid to close loopholes on dodgy tax evasion.
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29/11/2020 14:40:54 3 9
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respecting the right of the majority in a democracy
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29/11/2020 14:41:22 5 14
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Yes I do.
It was about a democratic choice. Only Remoaners would come up with such a stupid question.
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29/11/2020 14:46:18 0 3
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Farage to get knighthood from Bojo....
We've just bought a lovely real Christmas tree. Think I'll decorate it this afternoon. Removed
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29/11/2020 13:16:05 2 6
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in black?
A shroud?
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29/11/2020 13:13:56 243 145
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I just hope and pray the British negotiators realise the Europeans hold the aces and we (British) will need to bend in the wind to join their trading block....that’s right, their trading block.
If not, Britain is going to feel some hurt for years.
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29/11/2020 13:24:44 236 85
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Wrong - we hold all the cards - or so we were fatuously told 4 years ago.

Definition of naivety - still believing what Boris and Gove told us standing by the NHS battle bus.
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29/11/2020 13:52:55 6 16
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4.25 EU citizens have applied to stay here, they must have faith in a deal.
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29/11/2020 14:01:47 3 21
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rubbish
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29/11/2020 14:08:19 4 32
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We've left their corrupt 'trading block'.
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29/11/2020 15:03:27 12 4
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Hurt for Years?

We are hurting now due to the effects of BBC.
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29/11/2020 15:19:43 15 5
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Good. I hope the coming pain, unemployment and fall in living standards is felt particularly accutely by those who went to those Farage meetings that opened with air raid sirens. They deserve a fall in living standards back to the days of rationing and beyond because they "knew what they were voting for", after all!!
29/11/2020 15:34:02 15 2
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Boris said that the eu would be banging on the door, begging for a deal. Anyone hear them?
29/11/2020 17:21:23 3 6
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The common market was a trading block. The EU isn’t .
Hence the majority vote to leave the Greater German Superstate in all but name.
29/11/2020 18:48:17 2 3
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Avondale47
Tell me how many of the remaining members will contribute to the EU budget? I think about two or three. The rest will depend on handouts. I'm happy with our future.
29/11/2020 20:03:22 2 0
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Apparently David Frost is a No Deal type but Johnson will have the final say. Johnson probably now wants a very hard, thin Brexit Deal which will be better than a No Deal Brexit, but still a very poor Brexit Deal!
30/11/2020 00:06:02 0 1
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Its a trading bloc. Lego comes in blocks.

The UK will be fine.
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29/11/2020 13:14:30 8 16
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Which level of 3rd country will the EU make us from 1st January 2021? This affects Pet Passports and paperwork when taking dogs and cats to the EU. DEFRA advised asking vets 4 months in advance - well it's less than 5 weeks, now, and still nobody knows what paperwork to provide or what the new rules are. How do DEFRA people keep jobs?
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29/11/2020 13:17:01 12 8
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Oh the horror. poor little fido will have to stay home.
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29/11/2020 13:23:45 4 3
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Ah, that would require the planning that no-one has done. Remember those sunny uplands we were promised, where it would be all so easy?
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29/11/2020 13:23:52 2 3
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I thought the point of pet passports was to allow people to bring them into the UK without quarantining as we don’t want rabies over here? Just put them in a kennels/cattery when you go on holiday like we do
30/11/2020 14:02:53 0 0
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Its the same for bulk chemicals not made in UK which we have to import. But hey at least the power stations that keep the lights on when its foggy and still don't need pet passports, just import papers of a different kind for their essentials; If its going to be no deal then admit it & give us the documents to fill in you Nutters, don't keep us hanging and hoping and then stuff us.
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29/11/2020 13:14:54 18 13
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What *important* trade issues are being smoke screened by all the fuss over fishing? We're being sold down the river.
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29/11/2020 13:15:07 185 103
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We want our fishing rights back and control over them in all respects, especially conservation of it, marine national parks, sustainable fishing of all types
Even the fishermen are voting for a deal. You perhaps should prioritise wanting your brain back. Removed
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29/11/2020 13:29:42 66 11
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But given we don't eat that fish and it has only nominal value, why?
Why not want the chance to export out financial services, legal services, high-end design, media activities, fashion etc....why not be the gateway to Europe's auto and plane manufacturing. Taking advantage of our geography and language benefits. That would make us so much more wealthy and with far more opportunities for our kids
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29/11/2020 13:45:23 45 13
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Clueless post. Water moves, as do fish. Will the fish need blue passports and a border??????
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29/11/2020 13:49:17 10 1
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You Wish.
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29/11/2020 13:52:25 10 32
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Control of the waters around our coastline is important for every sovereign state, more so than the fish actually in them. Would it be ok if we trotted off to Greece and started picking olives from their groves?
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29/11/2020 13:56:07 52 9
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0,02% of the economy. Emotive to those who still have remnants of Empire in their heads but economically absolutely irrelevant. We don't even eat the fish we catch - we sell it to the EU!
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29/11/2020 13:56:18 49 8
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Given that we don't exploit our fishing, we sell it to Norway and the EU that's just brexiteers trying to remain relevant.
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29/11/2020 14:04:10 21 4
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Pragmatic approach would be to sell out the fishermen again and settle for whatever deal can be retrieved at this late stage , then repent at leisure for 5/10 years over it all then go round again perhaps trying to rejoin ...theres a thought !!
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29/11/2020 14:19:55 11 0
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Keep your fish and the EU excludes you from the internal market unless you pay
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29/11/2020 14:22:43 4 0
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Hedgehogs don't eat fish.
So you are saying that as a Brexiter, you think its acceptable to devestate the entire economy of a nation in order to help 12,000 full time UK fishermen? Hmmmm......
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29/11/2020 15:05:59 11 1
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You have bought the Red Herring.?? The fisheries argument has only ever been there to ensure the Government gets what they want which is no deal. Our Fishing industry is tiny and insignificant in comparison to the rest of our industries.
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29/11/2020 15:10:27 5 0
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Quite right too!

We must save this 0.1% of the economy, and the remaining 99.9% be damned if that is what it costs!
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29/11/2020 15:10:51 7 0
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LOL a 'green' tory. Britain could slash environmental and safety standards 'a very long way' after Brexit, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html
29/11/2020 15:15:50 9 0
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Marine national Part? Are you even awake? The Brexi-tories can't even abide planning restrictions!
29/11/2020 15:24:28 8 0
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How do we get our fishing rights back when most of them were sold off to big offshore companies some time ago? We have a few fishermen left but they tend to land fish the British don't eat, so it all seems a bit of nonsense to me. Costly nonsense at that!
29/11/2020 15:26:20 7 0
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And who exactly has the rights to catch the fish??
Where do they spawn?
Where do they migrate to?
Once caught should we be looking for their passports ?

Bit like standing on a beach with a megaphone and shouting.

Wave number 7, do not land on these shores, your French !!!
SCJ
29/11/2020 15:43:41 3 0
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Better tell the fish that they're only allowed to swim in 'our' waters then....
29/11/2020 15:52:30 5 0
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We have been heading inexorably South in terms of River and Sea environmental quality since mid 2016, so I'd say leaving the EU & setting our own standards is likely to have the opposite effect, particularly if Agriculture gets its subsidies cut, which is more than likely post Brexit & Covid.

The probability is we'll be using more fertilisers to incease productivity etc not less.
29/11/2020 16:17:47 5 0
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I take it you have researched UK fishing rights before you commented and checked out who owns the quotas. Beexit will certainly not benefit the small fishing enterprises and single small boat owners. Yes, sold and bought a puppy whilst closing the eyes
29/11/2020 16:33:43 4 0
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Not at the expense of our economy we don't.
29/11/2020 16:52:11 2 0
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Do you honestly believe that will happen. Profit all that matters these days however you get it irrelevant.
29/11/2020 17:10:45 3 0
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Remind me who eats the majority of the fish we catch currently? I’ll give you a clue it starts in E and ends in U
jps
29/11/2020 17:17:27 1 0
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Boris and co haven't mentioned any of this other than throw away posturing. We sold off fishing licences (rights) to foreign registered boats. We already have the ability to set up marine national parks (we already have 207). There are existing rules around conservation and sustainability (whilst they are EU rules they have been negotiated with UK input and agreement)
29/11/2020 18:07:15 1 0
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How do you get something back that you sold decades ago? Trying to rebuy it, not by trying to just grab it back from those you sold it to. Sounds a bit like breaking international law in a specific and limited way but it's still not the way to do it.
29/11/2020 18:08:01 1 0
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You can want all you like. They're gone. Sold years ago. The issue is only being brought up now - after decades of silent apathy - as a delaying tactic to wind down the clock so a no deal ending can be blamed on EU intransigence.
29/11/2020 20:04:54 1 0
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There's no point in having a larger quota for fish if it can't be sold into the EU (our main market for fish)!
30/11/2020 00:15:14 0 0
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Good luck with that. Our fisherman are just as piratical as those of other EU nations. Do you think they'll listen to Boris?
30/11/2020 07:35:59 0 0
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Really important - ha ha ha . With regard to the economy completely irrelevant .
30/11/2020 09:06:05 0 0
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The people who owned those fishing rights but sold them off clearly didn't want them and now how do you think we'll get them back?

Fishing is such a miniscule fraction of the UK's GDP that it's really not worth quibbling over. There's much more important things to protect.

It wouldn't be the first time the Tories have screwed over and industry and the communities that rely on it.
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29/11/2020 13:11:32 32 33
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Read an interview with some former fishermen last month, wistfully recalling the "golden days" of fishing in Grimsby when "we were like rock stars; gold watches, off the boats and straight down the pub or casino".

Basically, a bunch of folk who want to enrich themselves and are prepared to do it to the detriment of the country.

Sounds right up BoJo's street, to be fair.
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29/11/2020 13:15:09 25 10
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You might want to try hauling nets in a force 9 with an 8 metre swell. You may think differently.
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29/11/2020 13:25:43 9 5
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I always thought the winches did the hauling these days? No fisherman I know would be fishing in a Force 9!
29/11/2020 19:33:52 0 0
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Only those who missed the weather forcast
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29/11/2020 13:15:20 15 20
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might be better if the UK showed pragmatism.
Uk will be destroyed Eu won't.
For fishing," sovereignty" and control.
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29/11/2020 13:20:21 16 9
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I'm pretty sure the UK won't be destroyed any time soon. We'll do just fine.
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29/11/2020 13:13:41 13 15
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No No Deal then ?

The far right won't be happy :)
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29/11/2020 13:15:52 379 128
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We seem to be giving up rather a lot just to get our 'freedom' back.
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29/11/2020 13:53:02 223 71
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Now there's an understatement!
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29/11/2020 13:55:17 10 45
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Given the bloodshed over the last 150 years as people fought for their freedom from colonial masters, in comparison we are giving up very little to be unchained from the EU empire.
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29/11/2020 14:11:32 27 4
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What freedom?
If you are black, you are not free to walk around without fear.
If you are anyone else you could get stabbed.
If you are a child you need to live in the right area for decent education.
If you are sick, you have to wait months for treatment.
If you have an opinion different from the mainstream, you get hate mail.
If you have a misfit PM, too bad, there's nothing you can do about it.
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29/11/2020 14:12:34 38 4
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I'm sill trying to work out what freedom I've gained.
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29/11/2020 14:43:42 7 23
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I think you need to look at it from the view... 'we sold our sole to the devil'... being part of the EU.
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29/11/2020 14:52:13 2 10
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What are we giving up?
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29/11/2020 14:53:33 2 5
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We are NOT giving up !!!
We are just rolling over to get our Tummy Tickled !!! Lol !!
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29/11/2020 15:10:02 4 1
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What ‘freedom’?
SCJ
29/11/2020 15:41:56 10 2
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Brexit: taking back what we never gave up in order to lose what we currently have.
29/11/2020 15:55:24 1 7
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Freedom?

My wait to see a GP went from a day to a month in the mid 00's.

Middle class landlords came into my working class area, outbid us on homes and converted the homes into flats for migrants which added to pressure on services in our catchment areas.

The BBC lied and never reported this.

BREXIT was giving the middle classes a proverbial punch in the face, and my god it was worth it.
29/11/2020 16:04:09 0 2
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Nelson Mandela did that - and you make statues of him and name roads after him
29/11/2020 16:15:55 4 2
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Yes. And the most ironic thing of all ---- in the end we'll actually have less freedom!

Brexit is just a big right wing con job.
29/11/2020 16:23:52 1 3
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Throughout history people have given their lives for freedom. Your not being asked to give ' rather a lot' .
29/11/2020 18:21:14 1 1
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Like what?
We are losing nothing but gaining back control.
29/11/2020 18:36:23 1 1
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We are not giving up as much as we did to lose our freedom in the first place.

Onwards and upwards without the centralist EU holding us back.
29/11/2020 19:09:17 1 0
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ACtually we are not getting our freedom back, we are losing the freedom to work and live in 27 countries and no retiring to our place in the sun for the plebs, from now on, only the rich will be able to afford it.
Radio 4 has just referred to a commentator as "a journalist and independence campaigner". Can I assume that the entire BBC News staff will now be referred to as "journalists and unionist campaigners"? Removed
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29/11/2020 13:13:26 420 186
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I've been doing a lot of thinking recently and have come to the conclusion that this Brexit thing might not be such a good idea.
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29/11/2020 13:16:02 131 194
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You should've done your thinking before the referendum. Not to worry, all will be fine.
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29/11/2020 13:24:49 32 14
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yep, it'll be alright on the night.

Oh, the theatre is burning down.
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29/11/2020 14:17:55 28 11
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No it won't. It's a dog's breakfast.
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29/11/2020 14:59:09 15 8
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Said the Captain Of The Titanic.
And we all know what happened shortly after !!!
29/11/2020 19:12:21 3 3
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We did do our thinking before the referendum we voted to remain, it was the only sensible thing to do. I guess you forgot to think, now you know you are not getting what you were promised do you regret it? £350 million for the NHS, a brilliant deal, better than being in the single market.........
We've just bought a lovely real Christmas tree. Think I'll decorate it this afternoon. Removed
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29/11/2020 13:16:05 2 6
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in black?
A shroud?
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29/11/2020 13:16:19 175 61
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Let me save you some time, because the comment section will go something like this:

Remoaner: Brexiteers are thick and they are trying to destroy this country etc etc etc.

Brexiteer: No deal & Freeeedoomm!!!
You have it wrong - Remoaners are as thick as sh...... to even consider Brexit as a wrong move whereas Brexiteers are positive, forward thinking and are sick of EU shackles - they want Free from Doom! Removed
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29/11/2020 13:48:03 41 10
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The facts are more illustrative than your "point of view"
The Japan trade deal leaves us 2 billion worse off. Actual government figures.
The "brexit deal" will reduce our GDP by 4-5%, also government figures.
Now the facts on voters for and against are also highly illustrative.
Old from the countryside, unemployed and lower educated.
Xenophobic bigots is just a personal point of view :)
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29/11/2020 14:03:01 3 16
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The latter is just fine my me.
Isn't it more like this

"Remoaner" Brexiters fail to understand what they voted for - insert any articulate point here to explain the utter stupidity of Brexit and the sad fact that there simply is no upside to it

Brexiter: ugg ugg me want no deal, me want no deal, ME NO DEAL ugg ugg
29/11/2020 16:28:21 11 2
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Does anyone else find it interesting that the insulting term "remoaner" is permitted, but use any derogatory term for a Brexiter, and you will find your post rejected as containing "rude words"
29/11/2020 17:31:13 3 1
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Remained....sane
Leaver. ..believe lies,lies and more lies.
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29/11/2020 13:16:32 512 75
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And all the time The UK government exhorts UK businesses to "prepare".

Prepare for what???

We still have no idea what the rules will be!!!
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29/11/2020 13:22:24 346 50
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To take the blame, of course.
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29/11/2020 13:49:43 2 38
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Ask the EU they will let you know if you have a few billions to spare.
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29/11/2020 14:24:28 47 1
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Prepare for receivership, redundancy, frustration, etc. In other words, prepare for everything going wrong, because it will.
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29/11/2020 14:51:27 32 0
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And what exactly are we in for in Northern Ireland ???
29/11/2020 15:38:16 31 2
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Prepare for the food and goods shortages as they all get held up in our ports.........
Dee
29/11/2020 15:49:03 14 8
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Prepare to blame Brexit for all the devastation Boris and his lockdowns have caused to small to medium enterprises, worth 99% of our economy.
xlr
29/11/2020 15:59:02 31 1
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They seem to believe that businesses can prepare for all possible eventualities and stock accordingly.

There's nothing like a Tory to completely underestimate the difficulty of a task where you don't have the old boy network to bail you out of failure.
29/11/2020 17:27:27 5 1
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Prepare for Armageddon!
29/11/2020 18:15:17 10 0
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Perhaps many of you haven't seen the guidance to businesses.

It's along the lines of "In January new rules may apply. You should prepare by reading these rules".

Honestly - that's the level of play-school rhetoric being pumped-out as "government guidance".
29/11/2020 19:15:07 1 4
bbc
We have known for 4 years what preparations are required. The 7% of UK Businesses that actually trade with the EU know exactly what they need to do. The other 93% do not give a fig
29/11/2020 20:46:13 6 1
bbc
Exactly, how can you prepare for the complete unknown???
30/11/2020 11:59:37 2 0
bbc
I think they mean 'prepare' in the same way that Govt prepared for pandemic. The difference being that Cygnus told them what to prepare for.
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29/11/2020 13:16:34 20 12
bbc
Get the deal done!
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29/11/2020 13:59:18 7 5
bbc
Can you describe this 'deal'? No one else can though we know it won't be anywhere near as good as the one we had.
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29/11/2020 13:16:43 10 11
bbc
Just when we had taken a small step away from feudalism, cold feet ensued.

Oh well back to the mill for me.
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29/11/2020 13:14:30 8 16
bbc
Which level of 3rd country will the EU make us from 1st January 2021? This affects Pet Passports and paperwork when taking dogs and cats to the EU. DEFRA advised asking vets 4 months in advance - well it's less than 5 weeks, now, and still nobody knows what paperwork to provide or what the new rules are. How do DEFRA people keep jobs?
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29/11/2020 13:17:01 12 8
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Oh the horror. poor little fido will have to stay home.
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29/11/2020 13:27:00 2 3
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You can help out the kennel and cat industry which is suffering badly. If you're only concern is to take your pets on holiday with you you rather missed the point of the referendum.
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29/11/2020 13:17:23 12 19
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Guess that it’s down to Gove, with his fishy background, that we are arguing about an insignificant industry, which sold out its quotas to the Europeans at the earliest opportunity, post joining the EU. You voted to leave even though the EU is your biggest market, so ‘suck it up’ and don’t ask me, a taxpayer, to subsidise you. Same for the farmers...can’t wait to buy cheaper produce from the US.
29/11/2020 19:39:43 0 0
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US wages generally higher than ours?time and cost to traverse the Atlantic? Perhaps American ships will have on-board gardens and grow lettuces on the way over
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29/11/2020 13:17:48 16 11
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Watched Raab and could see the sell out coming. Looks like the EU will agree the principle of an independent coastal state managing its own waters and in return Bend Over Boris will let them do as they wish within those waters.

As long as they agree the principle of course. That’s what matters.

I would say BRINO will arrive this week.
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29/11/2020 13:23:14 10 5
bbc
That's the escape clause is it? Bang on about freedom for 4 years and then claim it's the wrong sort of freedom when it's shown up for what it is.
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29/11/2020 13:11:32 32 33
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Read an interview with some former fishermen last month, wistfully recalling the "golden days" of fishing in Grimsby when "we were like rock stars; gold watches, off the boats and straight down the pub or casino".

Basically, a bunch of folk who want to enrich themselves and are prepared to do it to the detriment of the country.

Sounds right up BoJo's street, to be fair.
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29/11/2020 13:17:50 12 6
bbc
Maybe people don't want to hand UK resources. Are you happy to give away north sea oil reserves, maybe you won't mind EU countries popping inland and bit to mine or farm.

The fish reserves could be licensed to international companies. But that should be a UK decision, nothing to do with the EU
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29/11/2020 13:26:33 4 1
bbc
it always was; that was how the fishermen sold their quotas
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29/11/2020 14:37:21 5 1
bbc
You do know we no longer “own” North Sea Oil, and haven’t done since Margaret Thatcher started selling it off. Over 50% of the UK sheep flock is exported, as is over 40% of our beef herd. 100% of the shellfish of some Scottish ports goes to the EU and 3 Dutch companies own 40 % of UK fishing quota numbers. It’s always been about UK “choices”. You’ve been conned!
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29/11/2020 13:17:51 254 26
bbc
There is a deal to be done I'm sure.

Leaders just need to consider their citizens needs ahead of their own legacies.
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29/11/2020 13:22:34 225 34
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Good luck with that one.
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29/11/2020 13:34:29 38 12
bbc
I suspect the EU leaders will be considering their citizens whereas... Raab, Johnson, Gove and JRM - you’re having a laugh!
295
29/11/2020 13:52:56 35 9
bbc
Imagine if at the end of the week they came back and said that, in the light of the massive Covid damage to our lives in 2020/21 and the further, perpetual damage from Brexit, they've agreed with the EU that we can run the vote again and reset everything to pre-Brexit agreements. It would be the first decent thing Johnson has done and he would actually be applauded by a big majority. Imagine!
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29/11/2020 13:58:49 35 5
bbc
The 'citizens needs' are homes, jobs and food, Brexit threaten all those.
357
29/11/2020 13:59:36 17 8
bbc
But surely at least 6% of Leavers were of the "jus wolk awai!!" variety, so there is in fact no majority from der peeeeeple for this, or any other, deal.
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29/11/2020 14:52:35 8 20
bbc
Since when has the EU considered its Citizens? The project cannot fail, cannot be seen to have failed, the UK must be punished? Otherwise where are all the failed National politicians going to be able to find a comfortable sinecure? A place where they can exercise power without responsibility, which, as Baldwin observed is 'the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.'
967
29/11/2020 15:11:16 0 5
bbc
lets hope your wrong
29/11/2020 15:13:54 19 3
bbc
We don't have a leader. We have a charlatan and a group of lying chancers prepared to rob the public blind and destroy the public sector.
29/11/2020 15:52:02 14 2
bbc
The current leaders legacy will be poverty, division and the destruction of the UK.
xlr
29/11/2020 16:31:49 3 0
bbc
The moment I saw Cummings coming out of No.10 carrying his wee box (though not escorted by armed police, sadly), I knew that there was going to be a deal, and that the vast majority of Leave voters are going to be disappointed with it.
29/11/2020 19:06:02 0 0
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Why?
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29/11/2020 13:17:59 74 62
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British heritage is maritime

I accept that much of this symbolic but protecting our fishing grounds is important.
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29/11/2020 13:20:23 92 70
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Protecting fishing is not remotely important. In the grand scheme of things it is both a trivial contributor to GDP, and an unimportant source of employment.
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Trs
29/11/2020 13:21:10 4 9
bbc
It's a negotiation. You don't get everything you want. Fishing will be worse for it.
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29/11/2020 13:21:24 5 5
bbc
Agreed and I just don't get it... if there is no deal then the EU would be fishing in UK territorial waters illegally - surely it is the EU interest to have a smaller part of something than nothing... as for the EU market and banishing our fish we will see the europeans love their food and supply must meet demand.
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29/11/2020 13:21:52 2 4
bbc
No it isn't, it's just part of a bigger game.
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29/11/2020 13:21:58 13 10
bbc
Agreed, if fishing was so unimportant why are the EU so desperate to get their grubby little mits on it?
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29/11/2020 13:37:45 7 7
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That’s true but when was the last time you heard of fish as a common place British delicacy. The Victorian landlords forced the plebs to ditch there agrarian routes and move to cities where they could be fed processed muck not some artisan cod loin. The majority of this country think Macdonalds is a delicacy. We turned our back in the sea long time ago.
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29/11/2020 14:31:05 3 0
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Why? We sell most of our catch to the EU.
so car park, you as a wise and informed Brexoter think its important to protect the jobs of the 12,000 full time fishermen in the UK, even if it means risking 100,000s of British jobs in other sectors and shaving 2 or so % of the entire UK economy resulting in tax rises and funding cuts for the NHS and our police forces?

Hmmmm.....
29/11/2020 15:13:37 2 0
bbc
An industry that covers 0.01% of GDP is not important in the grand scheme of things. We also export 79% of our catch to EU countries we don’t eat it ourselves. Most of the cod we eat is imported.
29/11/2020 15:17:24 2 0
bbc
Yes our heritage is indeed maritime, unfortunately our present does not have any boats. I dont think our future has many boats either, as they are rather costly.
29/11/2020 15:26:48 2 0
bbc
If I were a fish I'd trust the EU to look after my environment far more than I would trust any Brexi-tory.
In fact a fish wouldn't be dumb enough to be persuaded by the Farage charade like you were..
Sunday afternoons, nothing better to do than getting the remainers blood pressure up! Removed
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29/11/2020 13:20:20 16 8
bbc
funny, other way round for me.??????
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29/11/2020 14:29:17 1 0
bbc
89% of brexiters want to see aid to the poorest people in the world cut, as do 51% of remainers. That makes brexiters nearly twice as mean as remainers. Is that why you wish ill health on remainers?
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Trs
29/11/2020 13:18:12 20 18
bbc
Can't wait for the 'sunny uplands' in January. Clowns!
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29/11/2020 13:36:26 3 4
bbc
Cloud cuckoo land, it is amazing how many actually fell for Vote Leave's lies.
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29/11/2020 13:15:07 185 103
bbc
We want our fishing rights back and control over them in all respects, especially conservation of it, marine national parks, sustainable fishing of all types
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bbc
Even the fishermen are voting for a deal. You perhaps should prioritise wanting your brain back. Removed
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29/11/2020 14:06:04 2 1
bbc
Clown!
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29/11/2020 13:13:28 690 196
bbc
Does anyone remember what the benefit of all this was supposed to be?
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29/11/2020 13:18:41 688 286
bbc
Sovereignty, control and freedom, unicorns and sunlit uplands.
And for a bonus, isolation, poverty, loss of respect and Johnson.
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TDK
29/11/2020 13:48:26 6 5
bbc
Really; I had hoped for more.
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29/11/2020 14:01:57 11 37
bbc
Remainers wouldn't know the meaning of respect.
599
29/11/2020 14:27:43 0 12
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For a moment, in total four words, you seemed to be lucid, but then you disappeared back into your own little world.
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29/11/2020 14:31:41 1 11
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you really are a negative personality arn't you bellamy, with a penchant for hatred of those you do not know but fear. I bet you are the life and soul of the party......in a phonebox!
724
29/11/2020 14:41:37 0 5
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Yawn
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29/11/2020 13:19:01 17 14
bbc
Brexit: UK in 'last leg' of trade talks with EU, says Raab...

No doubt many Brexiteers are looking forward to getting legless.

Then, the hangover.
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29/11/2020 13:19:21 77 21
bbc
Not sure what the fuss is all about, the supermarket has more donuts on sale than fish.

What about british donuts, who is protecting them?
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29/11/2020 13:34:49 57 11
bbc
Trump.
They were American, weren't they? At least the way you spell them.
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29/11/2020 13:35:03 8 1
bbc
British doughnuts!
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29/11/2020 13:51:31 4 1
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Duncan Donuts?
420
29/11/2020 14:06:39 3 10
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The EU sell them back to us at inflated prices. Where have you been for the past forty years?
620
29/11/2020 14:30:08 3 2
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the police are looking after the Krispy Kremes -- ooops !
951
29/11/2020 15:08:59 2 1
bbc
There in government !
29/11/2020 16:13:25 8 0
bbc
We lost our Donut rights to the US years ago.

Fortunately, Krispy Creme, and MacDonalds, KFC have most generously paid us a dividend in return, in the form of body fat and Type 2 diabetes.
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djf
29/11/2020 13:11:04 20 20
bbc
'Dead leg' would be a better description. Give Barnier his bus fare and leave it at that.
35
29/11/2020 13:19:52 15 9
bbc
Because 'they need us more than we need them'?
You're going to be disappointed.
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29/11/2020 13:19:53 192 47
bbc
A Brexit HYS open on a Sunday?
Must be a BBC moderator wanting some overtime.
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29/11/2020 13:27:23 80 9
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Or bored ??
84
29/11/2020 13:27:25 8 12
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No wonder the licence fee's gone up.
133
29/11/2020 13:34:25 3 5
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Keeps us amused.
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29/11/2020 13:46:19 13 16
bbc
Didn’t open up yesterday for Sturgeon and her latest independence waffle - would have been slaughtered and Aunty doesn’t like that much
Throwing meat to the base
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29/11/2020 14:19:23 10 8
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But not one on the covid death rate in Scotland higher than England, oops sorry we can't say anything bad about Nicola
29/11/2020 15:14:28 3 1
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Or they might be leaving it only re-actively moderated via the Algorithm.

So there might be no no-one in as back up.

Big opportunity beckons for idiotic comments, rhetoric & maybe a bit of conspiracy stuff, as long as its reasonably cleverly phrased to avoid said Alan Gorithm, which of course by definition means most won't make it past stage 1.
29/11/2020 20:00:09 1 0
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No it's because we are in a political and economic crisis and time is very short!
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29/11/2020 13:20:05 79 15
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we are always on the last leg of talks, and then they say its over and thats that, then the next week talks start back up again and we are back to the last leg
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29/11/2020 13:33:29 60 6
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the negotiators must have been millipedes at the start of negotations.
Sunday afternoons, nothing better to do than getting the remainers blood pressure up! Removed
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29/11/2020 13:20:20 16 8
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funny, other way round for me.??????
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29/11/2020 13:15:20 15 20
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might be better if the UK showed pragmatism.
Uk will be destroyed Eu won't.
For fishing," sovereignty" and control.
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29/11/2020 13:20:21 16 9
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I'm pretty sure the UK won't be destroyed any time soon. We'll do just fine.
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29/11/2020 13:17:59 74 62
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British heritage is maritime

I accept that much of this symbolic but protecting our fishing grounds is important.
40
29/11/2020 13:20:23 92 70
bbc
Protecting fishing is not remotely important. In the grand scheme of things it is both a trivial contributor to GDP, and an unimportant source of employment.
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29/11/2020 13:31:09 13 3
bbc
Not "remotely" important ? Can't agree with that

The £ effect on UK GDP is small but not everything that is valuable is easily quantifiable in monetary terms

UK fishing grounds are some of the richest and best located in the world. They are a national asset to be looked after for many generations
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29/11/2020 13:33:25 8 4
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Stand in front of a fisherman and say that his job is unimportant.
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29/11/2020 13:40:08 1 2
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If it is trivial to us, 1 ex member then it is even more so to the remaining 27 members.
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29/11/2020 14:11:44 0 1
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What's your 'profession' one wonders.
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29/11/2020 14:29:34 1 1
bbc
If fishing rights are not important why are the EU bothered about fishing in our waters? ...
29/11/2020 17:17:25 0 1
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Any source of employment is important. Tell the thousands of fishermen who had their livelihoods ripped away by the EU because their boats were allowed to fish in UK waters and raped the stocks to such extent that 3/4 of the British fleet were forced to scrap their vessels. Even now, 3/4 of UK fishing quotas are held by a single Dutch factory ship! Do not sell us short again.
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29/11/2020 13:20:34 5 3
bbc
This has been the case for the last 5 years so why should we believe it now?
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29/11/2020 13:20:53 10 13
bbc
Dominic Raab is the kind of person who farts and then sits back and admires the smell
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29/11/2020 13:23:49 9 4
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So do I. But what point are you trying to make?
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29/11/2020 13:31:39 3 2
bbc
?Suppose remainer elites don’t smell and they also pee eau de cologne - that’s what probably going on in their elitist heads
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29/11/2020 13:36:23 1 2
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A comment from an EU27 member state contributor perhaps!
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29/11/2020 13:38:22 1 2
bbc
Not as bad as admiring the smell of someone else's. (Not that this has anything to do with Brexit, but thanks for the distraction.)
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29/11/2020 13:39:47 3 2
bbc
Bit like a lot on here, well most of the remoaners anyway....
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29/11/2020 13:49:50 0 2
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Preferable to the stench of "remainer".
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29/11/2020 13:21:02 34 27
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I disbelieve every word pro Brexit politicians utter, they lied about the benefits, they lied about the cost and they lied about the ease of getting a deal. Nationalistic minded fodder support these people to the hilt but it is the deliverers that will benefit, not the lambs heading for slaughter.
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29/11/2020 13:23:55 10 16
bbc
and you still lost the vote ,please remind us of the remain fodder you predicted
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29/11/2020 13:30:05 4 2
bbc
Accept it, Captain. Your "remainer" ship is about to sink. Bye bye!
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29/11/2020 13:21:02 8 5
bbc
There was always going to be a deal of some sort done at the last minute.
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29/11/2020 13:17:59 74 62
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British heritage is maritime

I accept that much of this symbolic but protecting our fishing grounds is important.
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Trs
29/11/2020 13:21:10 4 9
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It's a negotiation. You don't get everything you want. Fishing will be worse for it.
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29/11/2020 13:17:59 74 62
bbc
British heritage is maritime

I accept that much of this symbolic but protecting our fishing grounds is important.
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29/11/2020 13:21:24 5 5
bbc
Agreed and I just don't get it... if there is no deal then the EU would be fishing in UK territorial waters illegally - surely it is the EU interest to have a smaller part of something than nothing... as for the EU market and banishing our fish we will see the europeans love their food and supply must meet demand.
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29/11/2020 14:37:28 4 0
bbc
They will still be able to get their langoustines (Dublin Bay prawns.) Tariffs will make the price less attractive for fish caught in British waters. We will have to eat all sorts of things that the British normally turn their noses up at otherwise the British fishermen won't have a market!
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29/11/2020 13:21:31 26 25
bbc
Another story to wind up the remainers
On the radio this morning a remainer said that there us still a chance to stop Brexit.... I thought it was funny
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29/11/2020 13:27:40 8 12
bbc
I thought it has hilarious!
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29/11/2020 13:30:30 1 6
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Brexit has already happened we can only hope that Britain comes to its senses and decides to look after the majority of people rather than a very small very rich minority by asking "pretty please, can we remain in the single market." The Single market is a different treaty and we were never asked if we wanted to leave it.
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29/11/2020 13:17:59 74 62
bbc
British heritage is maritime

I accept that much of this symbolic but protecting our fishing grounds is important.
28
29/11/2020 13:17:59 74 62
bbc
British heritage is maritime

I accept that much of this symbolic but protecting our fishing grounds is important.
49
29/11/2020 13:21:52 2 4
bbc
No it isn't, it's just part of a bigger game.
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29/11/2020 13:16:19 175 61
bbc
Let me save you some time, because the comment section will go something like this:

Remoaner: Brexiteers are thick and they are trying to destroy this country etc etc etc.

Brexiteer: No deal & Freeeedoomm!!!
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bbc
You have it wrong - Remoaners are as thick as sh...... to even consider Brexit as a wrong move whereas Brexiteers are positive, forward thinking and are sick of EU shackles - they want Free from Doom! Removed
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29/11/2020 13:33:49 8 4
bbc
You missed the point
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29/11/2020 13:34:54 25 7
bbc
That’s not how you spell or pronounce freedom, but I’m sure you will tell me you knew what you were voting for, and then regurgitate tired and long debunked phrases
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29/11/2020 13:35:36 36 18
bbc
The EU and our European cousins have saved us from doom for the past six decades. Doom is what is coming not what has been.
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29/11/2020 13:42:29 46 18
bbc
"Remoaners are as thick as sh......"

Just LOL

70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to Leave. YouGov
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29/11/2020 13:17:59 74 62
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British heritage is maritime

I accept that much of this symbolic but protecting our fishing grounds is important.
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29/11/2020 13:21:58 13 10
bbc
Agreed, if fishing was so unimportant why are the EU so desperate to get their grubby little mits on it?
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b
29/11/2020 13:26:02 10 5
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It's important to them, not for us.
777
29/11/2020 14:48:25 2 0
bbc
Because they eat far more varieties of fish than we do.
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29/11/2020 13:22:23 19 16
bbc
I'm still waiting for a detailed reply on the question "leaving the EU is a really good idea because...", (2016 memes and fake news answers not accepted)
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29/11/2020 13:26:45 10 7
bbc
It's termed democracy - get used to it!
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29/11/2020 13:27:59 4 5
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You won't get any genuine answers because there is no good reason for leaving the EU, except for those with their millions in tax havens such as the owners of the Wail, Telegraph and the Express. Murdoch wanted Britain to leave because "Downing Street does as I tell them, Brussels doesn't listen"
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29/11/2020 13:28:33 6 2
bbc
It was the result of the referendum
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29/11/2020 13:30:16 3 3
bbc
But that debate had been had, the debate now appears to be whether the UK as an independent nation takes control of its own future, or as many appear to endorse, hand control over to another institution and court
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29/11/2020 13:16:32 512 75
bbc
And all the time The UK government exhorts UK businesses to "prepare".

Prepare for what???

We still have no idea what the rules will be!!!
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29/11/2020 13:22:24 346 50
bbc
To take the blame, of course.
29/11/2020 16:46:34 15 0
bbc
Unlikely_this government will add to its long list of lies
29/11/2020 18:57:10 4 1
bbc
Boris has his excuses lined up from a well known board game.

'Weren't me Guv. It wor the virus and remoaners wot did it...' In the Commons wiv a Spanner'
29/11/2020 19:05:19 6 0
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That's what the EU is for, especially if they thrive after covid and we don't. Just think, all 27 working together to achieve a better life for all while we are left out in the cold. Time to get knitting.
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29/11/2020 13:17:51 254 26
bbc
There is a deal to be done I'm sure.

Leaders just need to consider their citizens needs ahead of their own legacies.
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29/11/2020 13:22:34 225 34
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Good luck with that one.
29/11/2020 16:48:11 6 0
bbc
Wafer thin deal maybe which Johnson will try and spin as a success. Unfortunately many will believe him
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29/11/2020 13:22:42 23 18
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Maybe people don't want to hand over UK resources. Are some happy to give away north sea oil reserves, maybe they won't mind EU countries popping inland and bit to mine or farm.

The fish reserves could be licensed to international companies. But that should be a UK decision, nothing to do with the EU
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29/11/2020 13:23:01 42 5
bbc
All this talk of "final leg" sounds a bit fishy.
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29/11/2020 13:32:36 92 51
bbc
It is the "last leg" all right: the last leg of transitioning from a major player within Europe, to an impoverished, inconsequential satellite state on its edge. Essentially Brexiteers have managed to turn their kinky fantasies of domination by the EU into reality. Deal or no deal, we need access to their market or hundreds of thousands of business will go bust. The EU don't absolutely need our's.
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29/11/2020 13:17:48 16 11
bbc
Watched Raab and could see the sell out coming. Looks like the EU will agree the principle of an independent coastal state managing its own waters and in return Bend Over Boris will let them do as they wish within those waters.

As long as they agree the principle of course. That’s what matters.

I would say BRINO will arrive this week.
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29/11/2020 13:23:14 10 5
bbc
That's the escape clause is it? Bang on about freedom for 4 years and then claim it's the wrong sort of freedom when it's shown up for what it is.
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29/11/2020 13:21:58 11 12
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what is he doing in london anyway -bye bye barnier shut the door on your way out -you have seen us a gravy train ever since tony blair gifted the eu billions years ago -we have put more in to the eu and benefited less than any other country -you have bit the hand that feeds you enough -look forward to seeing you in a dinghy trying to escape to England in the near future
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29/11/2020 13:22:16 13 14
bbc
only a remainer would accept the EU fishing concept ,
so tell me why you have a fence around your garden bit of a protectionist at heart
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b
29/11/2020 13:27:33 5 3
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To keep my dog in. So what's your point?
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29/11/2020 13:28:42 2 2
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to keep leavers out?
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29/11/2020 13:14:30 8 16
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Which level of 3rd country will the EU make us from 1st January 2021? This affects Pet Passports and paperwork when taking dogs and cats to the EU. DEFRA advised asking vets 4 months in advance - well it's less than 5 weeks, now, and still nobody knows what paperwork to provide or what the new rules are. How do DEFRA people keep jobs?
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29/11/2020 13:23:45 4 3
bbc
Ah, that would require the planning that no-one has done. Remember those sunny uplands we were promised, where it would be all so easy?
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29/11/2020 13:20:53 10 13
bbc
Dominic Raab is the kind of person who farts and then sits back and admires the smell
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29/11/2020 13:23:49 9 4
bbc
So do I. But what point are you trying to make?
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29/11/2020 13:56:38 1 1
bbc
He takes pleasure in the discomfort of others. Quite a simple analogy really.
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29/11/2020 13:14:30 8 16
bbc
Which level of 3rd country will the EU make us from 1st January 2021? This affects Pet Passports and paperwork when taking dogs and cats to the EU. DEFRA advised asking vets 4 months in advance - well it's less than 5 weeks, now, and still nobody knows what paperwork to provide or what the new rules are. How do DEFRA people keep jobs?
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29/11/2020 13:23:52 2 3
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I thought the point of pet passports was to allow people to bring them into the UK without quarantining as we don’t want rabies over here? Just put them in a kennels/cattery when you go on holiday like we do
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29/11/2020 13:13:28 690 196
bbc
Does anyone remember what the benefit of all this was supposed to be?
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29/11/2020 13:23:58 174 40
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Take back control which this governmentis incapable of? An oven ready deal which is half baked? A smooth transition that would take months, not four years? We were conned by the lies on a big red bus. Can anyone really believe a word this useless government tells us, unless you're a gullible Sun reader?

We've heard it all before.
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29/11/2020 13:45:56 16 22
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Wind your neck in Neil, wait until the dust has settled and see how Brexit plays itself out, if not to your satisfaction you know what to do at the next general election.
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29/11/2020 14:16:12 4 4
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Did you really think this transformation would take "a few months"! Clueless
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29/11/2020 13:13:56 243 145
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I just hope and pray the British negotiators realise the Europeans hold the aces and we (British) will need to bend in the wind to join their trading block....that’s right, their trading block.
If not, Britain is going to feel some hurt for years.
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29/11/2020 13:24:44 236 85
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Wrong - we hold all the cards - or so we were fatuously told 4 years ago.

Definition of naivety - still believing what Boris and Gove told us standing by the NHS battle bus.
SCJ
29/11/2020 15:46:29 5 1
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Given that there are some Tory MPs now saying that Gove and Co, when making claims about the pandemic and lockdown, have been 'disingenuous' the only response can be 'welcome to the real world Mr Tugendhat
29/11/2020 17:34:39 2 2
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I wouldn't believe Johnson if he told me Christmas day was December 25th
29/11/2020 19:46:28 1 0
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My little grandson plays snap by himself, so holds all the cards.
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29/11/2020 13:16:02 131 194
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You should've done your thinking before the referendum. Not to worry, all will be fine.
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29/11/2020 13:24:49 32 14
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yep, it'll be alright on the night.

Oh, the theatre is burning down.
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29/11/2020 13:21:02 34 27
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I disbelieve every word pro Brexit politicians utter, they lied about the benefits, they lied about the cost and they lied about the ease of getting a deal. Nationalistic minded fodder support these people to the hilt but it is the deliverers that will benefit, not the lambs heading for slaughter.
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29/11/2020 13:23:55 10 16
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and you still lost the vote ,please remind us of the remain fodder you predicted
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29/11/2020 13:31:46 2 7
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that it would be a disaster, Leavers couldn't be trusted, leavers had lower IQ'S ( shown by research later), all proven true.
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29/11/2020 13:36:24 3 4
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No, we all lost the vote. You "won" but as a result of a lie. Johnson's "oven ready" deal isn't even out of the freezer yet.
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29/11/2020 13:40:45 3 3
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We all lost!
29/11/2020 18:51:40 1 0
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PMSL, imbecile...
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29/11/2020 13:13:28 690 196
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Does anyone remember what the benefit of all this was supposed to be?
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29/11/2020 13:25:11 160 36
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Something about taking back control... and then relinquishing that control to other trading giants. I also remember something about this being the easiest deal in history and us holding all the cards. Anyway the long and short of it is that joe public is going to get f'ed in the A and the tories and their chums will get richer.
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29/11/2020 13:32:55 3 25
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Now tell me something I don't already know!
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29/11/2020 14:31:06 0 16
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You have a selective memory clearly, given you could remember 'easiest deal in history' but not what followed. "only EU politics can stop it' - or perhaps your attention span is around that of a goldfish and you couldn't manage to read the complete Guardian article? Mind you, reading Guardian articles is usually impossible, so much garbage, the fact the one in question was sensible most unusual
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29/11/2020 13:25:24 12 10
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A trade deal could be done if the UK would adhere to animal welfare regulations, environmental standards, and workers' rights
These are decent standards but could be improved. They don't belong to the EU They should be world guarantees that we produce safe products that do not damage this planet we live on
Unfortunately the government want cheap goods. And unfortunately so do their supporters
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29/11/2020 13:27:52 4 6
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How many mink farms in the UK?
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29/11/2020 13:25:28 18 21
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"an agreement remained possible if the EU showed "pragmatism".

No chance. EU & Brussels driven by process, bureaucracy and technocratism. If it is not in the EU/EC/Brussels book of procedures, it will not be considered.

Easier for the EC to move its Parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg than to deploy any ounce of pragmatism.

No joy this time round UK, just walk away. Enough of this nonsense.
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29/11/2020 13:39:18 3 1
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yep, and start the next round on Jan 2nd, to rejoin.
Then start again after Johnson's next deadline.
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29/11/2020 13:25:28 56 24
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It's a well known that that all the fish are French but they prefer to live in British waters.
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29/11/2020 13:31:23 42 39
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Yes miles too much pollution coming from the shores and also the mouths of the EU negotiator, France and Germany. No wonder the fish , like Brexiteers want to stay within UK fishing limits.
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29/11/2020 13:32:00 6 1
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These will be the only illegal immigrants we'll catch and send back to France then
29/11/2020 15:33:22 4 2
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They prefer British waters because they know Brits dont eat them
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29/11/2020 13:13:28 690 196
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Does anyone remember what the benefit of all this was supposed to be?
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29/11/2020 13:25:30 39 109
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In reality it is and was an exercise in activating the idea that people can have an influence on the running of affairs of state. The outcome is not the consequences but the principle of democratic power.
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29/11/2020 13:33:32 128 39
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Tell that to the Brexit victims who will be losing jobs and homes following the pandemic - only this time there’s no furlough...
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29/11/2020 13:43:23 30 14
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We thought we had that anyway, before 43% elected 56% of our MPs.
Oh dear, not democracy after all.
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29/11/2020 13:50:35 49 9
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And I thought it was all about the EU anti-avoidance tax directive 2020 and the manipulation of the UK public to escape this!
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29/11/2020 13:53:03 57 15
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exercise in activating the idea that people can have an influence on the running of affairs of state.....

It was an exercise in that enough people can be misled and lied too by using nationalist ideals and falsely accusing others (EU) are to blame for all the hardships they have endured from successive governments.

Just like ordinary German people were misled in 1933.
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29/11/2020 14:32:46 6 20
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rejoiners are so dumb I expect they see the word 'democratic' as a four letter word to be avoided, they certainly worked hard enough trying to negate the concept. ;-)
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29/11/2020 13:15:09 25 10
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You might want to try hauling nets in a force 9 with an 8 metre swell. You may think differently.
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29/11/2020 13:25:43 9 5
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I always thought the winches did the hauling these days? No fisherman I know would be fishing in a Force 9!
29/11/2020 17:42:04 0 1
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You might not be shooting your nets in a force 9, but you could still be at sea.
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29/11/2020 13:11:12 11 15
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Aagh!

No comments please. It's Sunday. Better things to do surely!
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29/11/2020 13:25:53 3 3
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Well I've had my bath, washed the car. I'm just about to have my Sunday lunch now. Pity I can't go to the pub, but that's another story.
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29/11/2020 13:21:58 13 10
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Agreed, if fishing was so unimportant why are the EU so desperate to get their grubby little mits on it?
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b
29/11/2020 13:26:02 10 5
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It's important to them, not for us.
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29/11/2020 13:26:23 6 5
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Irish border arrangements have not been sorted.

These have plagued Tories for more than 100 years

Will a week sort the border in a way that satisfies both ERG and Sinn Fein ? I hope so but find it very hard to believe

Similarly I find it very hard to believe that U.K. and EU have settled upon the honest broker who can form the court to resolve disputes that may arise.
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29/11/2020 13:29:12 4 5
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If the EU/EC want to set up a customs/border post on the Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland border - let them. Their choice.
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29/11/2020 13:17:50 12 6
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Maybe people don't want to hand UK resources. Are you happy to give away north sea oil reserves, maybe you won't mind EU countries popping inland and bit to mine or farm.

The fish reserves could be licensed to international companies. But that should be a UK decision, nothing to do with the EU
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29/11/2020 13:26:33 4 1
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it always was; that was how the fishermen sold their quotas
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29/11/2020 13:22:23 19 16
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I'm still waiting for a detailed reply on the question "leaving the EU is a really good idea because...", (2016 memes and fake news answers not accepted)
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29/11/2020 13:26:45 10 7
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It's termed democracy - get used to it!
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29/11/2020 13:26:59 8 9
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Raab actually said the negotiators where doing a good job. Only a member of this cabinet could see being overdue and still with nothing to show as doing a good job.
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29/11/2020 13:17:01 12 8
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Oh the horror. poor little fido will have to stay home.
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29/11/2020 13:27:00 2 3
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You can help out the kennel and cat industry which is suffering badly. If you're only concern is to take your pets on holiday with you you rather missed the point of the referendum.
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29/11/2020 13:27:04 10 10
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The impact on our existing fishing industry of maintaining the status quo is nill! The impact of denying access to EU fishermen is huge. Therefore fishing is a very powerful political weapon for us. We need the EU to get into their thick heads that the fishing grounds are ours to manage as we choose. Concessions for a limited time can be traded against market access. Who has the whip hand?
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29/11/2020 13:35:06 2 2
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This was always the case. Fishing this side of the channel is just meaningless noise to keep dim people happy that Johnson is "standing up for the UK", but it means a lot more to the EU. The strategy all along has been to sell out. UK - "You can have fishing, but in return we want (lots of stuff)". EU - "We don't want it that badly". Stalemate, the UK has seriously overplayed it's hand.
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29/11/2020 13:36:14 2 2
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Isn’t it strange when the they need us more than we need them argument is raised !
The EU needs us otherwise they will not be able to seel their cars because we are a big market.

Now it’s

They need us because we are the suppliers and the fact that they are the biggest market for our fish. We have the upper hand.

What Brexiters are ignorant of its never the supply that counts its the DEMAND
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29/11/2020 13:27:06 16 16
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Not long now gang and we are OUT and FREE of the EU shackles. ?????????? Can't wait ????????
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29/11/2020 13:30:58 6 6
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What eu shackles? What is it you don't like
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29/11/2020 13:33:11 3 1
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The benefits of which are what exactly? The new shackels caused by Brexiters who haven't got a clue, are about to cost us billions.... your daydreaming incompetence is going to cost us a fortune for a generation...still ...let's carry on making Spitfires for New Zealand export ehhh??
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29/11/2020 13:19:53 192 47
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A Brexit HYS open on a Sunday?
Must be a BBC moderator wanting some overtime.
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29/11/2020 13:27:23 80 9
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Or bored ??
751
29/11/2020 14:44:40 9 1
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Unlike the people commenting on it, then? It's been opened because *you* are bored.
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29/11/2020 13:27:09 6 12
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The uk will never rejoin the eu, as there is a richer ,better run club in SE Asia that we will join, plus it's cheaper to go on holiday.
Bored with the eu- yawn
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29/11/2020 13:30:12 3 2
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That's really going to happen isn't it? It's also thousands of miles away...Is this where you keep your Unicorns?
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29/11/2020 13:19:53 192 47
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A Brexit HYS open on a Sunday?
Must be a BBC moderator wanting some overtime.
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29/11/2020 13:27:25 8 12
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No wonder the licence fee's gone up.
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29/11/2020 13:27:28 134 39
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"I do think this is a very significant week, the last real major week, subject to any further postponement of the goalposts in terms of the timing."

Interesting that raab is floating a postponement idea all of the sudden. Project reality now.
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29/11/2020 14:02:42 82 29
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As my above post is exactly what raab said, I’m curious to why it’s been voted down. This is a government minister talking of postponement as the oven ready deal wasn’t ready in time. Project reality
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29/11/2020 14:14:11 1 15
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Only in your mind Jude.
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29/11/2020 13:27:30 5 8
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AveAnAvacado
“Maybe people don't want to hand over UK resources. Are some happy to give away north sea oil reserves, maybe they won't mind EU countries popping inland and bit to mine or farm”
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The EU isn’t asking for that. It simply wants to protect the jobs within industry that the UK agreed to in the first place. Why’s that so difficult for people to understand?
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29/11/2020 13:22:16 13 14
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only a remainer would accept the EU fishing concept ,
so tell me why you have a fence around your garden bit of a protectionist at heart
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b
29/11/2020 13:27:33 5 3
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To keep my dog in. So what's your point?
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29/11/2020 13:21:31 26 25
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Another story to wind up the remainers
On the radio this morning a remainer said that there us still a chance to stop Brexit.... I thought it was funny
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29/11/2020 13:27:40 8 12
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I thought it has hilarious!
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29/11/2020 14:38:14 2 0
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stupidity and ignorance are winning, my friend. Don't worry your on the 'winning' side of that.
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29/11/2020 13:25:24 12 10
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A trade deal could be done if the UK would adhere to animal welfare regulations, environmental standards, and workers' rights
These are decent standards but could be improved. They don't belong to the EU They should be world guarantees that we produce safe products that do not damage this planet we live on
Unfortunately the government want cheap goods. And unfortunately so do their supporters
89
29/11/2020 13:27:52 4 6
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How many mink farms in the UK?
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29/11/2020 13:40:34 1 2
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Quite a lot actually. You must be a Brexiter as you seem to have a short memory.

About 20 years ago animal rights activists set free thousands of mink in southern England causing havoc to the local wildlife.

So much so the wild animals that they supposedly cared about were decimated.

The Animal Rights Activists never did it again.
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29/11/2020 13:22:23 19 16
bbc
I'm still waiting for a detailed reply on the question "leaving the EU is a really good idea because...", (2016 memes and fake news answers not accepted)
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29/11/2020 13:27:59 4 5
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You won't get any genuine answers because there is no good reason for leaving the EU, except for those with their millions in tax havens such as the owners of the Wail, Telegraph and the Express. Murdoch wanted Britain to leave because "Downing Street does as I tell them, Brussels doesn't listen"
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29/11/2020 13:33:21 6 4
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Tell you what. Out of your monthly salary each month, subsidise the costs of your wider family as a net contributor, so that they can continue their lifestyles, exploit your generosity. That is what the UK does presently to subsidise the single market cartel for the sole benefit of the Franco/German alliance. Instead, we can invest these monies in growing UK knowhow and business potential.
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29/11/2020 13:28:18 204 35
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Hundreds of thousands of jobs on both sides of the Channel depend on UK-EU trade continuing unabated. Now is not the time for posturing, now is the time to use our freedom and sovereignty to get a deal to protect those jobs. Fishing is a red herring - we need access to EU markets to sell British-caught fish to, and level playing field protects us as much as it protects the EU. Just do it.
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29/11/2020 13:59:54 288 121
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Sounds like a good argument for rejoining to me!
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29/11/2020 14:08:50 12 3
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Sorry we don't eat red herring here that's part of the problem
763
29/11/2020 14:46:30 13 2
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Agree entirely, may need to park a little bit if ideaology on sovereignty to one side for sake of protecting our significant trade with the EU and the jobs that go with it. 12% of our GDP is made up of exports to the EU.
xlr
29/11/2020 16:28:01 11 2
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The people who couldn't compete for jobs with foreign labour will still not be able to compete even with a deal. Their lack of qualifications and skills are their problem, not some EU bogieman.

The UK will be equally unwilling to spend money on them outside the EU than inside it. And go on importing labour and spending cash on already wealthy areas.
29/11/2020 17:32:09 0 1
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Liking the fact that fishing is a red herring! :)
29/11/2020 19:14:39 3 0
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But, if Johnson doesn't do a hard brexit, Farage will raise his nasty head, the right wing vote will be split at the next election and we will get Starmer as PM, at least he will know how to run a country and will do it very effectively.
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29/11/2020 13:22:23 19 16
bbc
I'm still waiting for a detailed reply on the question "leaving the EU is a really good idea because...", (2016 memes and fake news answers not accepted)
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29/11/2020 13:28:33 6 2
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It was the result of the referendum
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29/11/2020 13:22:16 13 14
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only a remainer would accept the EU fishing concept ,
so tell me why you have a fence around your garden bit of a protectionist at heart
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29/11/2020 13:28:42 2 2
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to keep leavers out?
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29/11/2020 13:26:23 6 5
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Irish border arrangements have not been sorted.

These have plagued Tories for more than 100 years

Will a week sort the border in a way that satisfies both ERG and Sinn Fein ? I hope so but find it very hard to believe

Similarly I find it very hard to believe that U.K. and EU have settled upon the honest broker who can form the court to resolve disputes that may arise.
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29/11/2020 13:29:12 4 5
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If the EU/EC want to set up a customs/border post on the Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland border - let them. Their choice.
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29/11/2020 13:15:07 185 103
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We want our fishing rights back and control over them in all respects, especially conservation of it, marine national parks, sustainable fishing of all types
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29/11/2020 13:29:42 66 11
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But given we don't eat that fish and it has only nominal value, why?
Why not want the chance to export out financial services, legal services, high-end design, media activities, fashion etc....why not be the gateway to Europe's auto and plane manufacturing. Taking advantage of our geography and language benefits. That would make us so much more wealthy and with far more opportunities for our kids
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29/11/2020 14:23:22 1 3
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I eat fish at least three times a week. Will be eating fish again tonight.
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29/11/2020 14:26:14 7 0
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Because those services aren't provided in constituencies the Tories want to appease or championed by the daily mail and other Brexit mouthpieces
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29/11/2020 13:29:51 4 6
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Same deal as we had - without a seat at the table.
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29/11/2020 13:29:53 3 7
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With nothing sorted anywhere , I think he meant we are on our last legs and forgot to and will probably on our knees on 2nd Jan 2021and thereafter.
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29/11/2020 13:33:24 2 1
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Should read forgot to add will prob be on our knees
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29/11/2020 13:29:59 3 1
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Shocked at a Brexit HYS opening on a Sunday more than the 'final leg' message by Raab.

End if travel miles for Frosty and Barney.
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29/11/2020 13:21:02 34 27
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I disbelieve every word pro Brexit politicians utter, they lied about the benefits, they lied about the cost and they lied about the ease of getting a deal. Nationalistic minded fodder support these people to the hilt but it is the deliverers that will benefit, not the lambs heading for slaughter.
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29/11/2020 13:30:05 4 2
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Accept it, Captain. Your "remainer" ship is about to sink. Bye bye!
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29/11/2020 13:57:31 1 1
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"Brexit will be a Titanic success! "- Bojo
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29/11/2020 13:30:08 6 5
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worldlian
“A trade deal could be done if the UK would adhere to animal welfare regulations, environmental standards, and workers' rights.. Unfortunately the government want cheap goods. And unfortunately so do their supporters”
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Actually the UK Government is behind the curve here. The vast majority of people want to keep the high food standards we currently enjoy.
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29/11/2020 13:39:59 4 1
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Are you sure? They seem to be quite happy buying cheap goods produced by ignoring animal and human welfare