R number for UK below 1 for first time since August
27/11/2020 | news | health | 3,211
Scientific advisers to the government estimate the coronavirus epidemic is no longer growing.
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27/11/2020 14:46:16 33 30
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Until the 3rd wave which will obviously follow the Christmas splurge of social interactions.
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27/11/2020 14:51:07 27 7
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This is the world we live in now. The phrase 'social interactions' used as a pejorative slight. I want off this ride.
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27/11/2020 14:47:06 27 35
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Will they now stop the changes to the tier system? NO.

Because they are testing thier arm at how much control they can have over everyone.
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27/11/2020 14:52:51 15 11
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The Government is there to organise and control a population. Otherwise it's anarchy. Reducing the access to pubs is not a big deal.
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27/11/2020 14:47:54 30 21
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Excellent news - now let's keep it that way.

We are more aware than we were in March and need to keep up the wear mask, wash hands and maintain distance.
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27/11/2020 14:55:16 4 20
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Yes let's live like prisoners forever shall we all wandering about with a silly raf over half our faces as our souless submissive eyes peer out at s depressing landscape.

Sooner take me chances with The Rhona if it's all the same with you fella.
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27/11/2020 14:55:32 4 6
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"We"..? Some of us having washing our hands learnt in childhood!
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27/11/2020 14:48:01 224 61
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Some good news reported by the BBC, but what exactly will change between now and the vaccine being implemented to millions of people?

Not much

The collateral damage from Covid will be nearly as bad as the virus itself.
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27/11/2020 14:49:13 254 53
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It will be worse I'm afraid
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27/11/2020 14:49:36 26 14
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not nearly but a lot worse..
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27/11/2020 14:49:48 31 14
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I would argue, worse.
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27/11/2020 14:52:07 42 15
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Have to disagree. The collateral damage is vastly worse than the virus.
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27/11/2020 15:09:30 14 8
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There is much to be taken from your post, but what we don't know (thankfully) is what the damage would have been if our hospitals and NHS services had been overrun by the virus. Yes, there will be consequences, but with nothing to measure against, as a result of our collective actions to avoid such a scenario, we may never know if the collateral damage will be close. It's horrendous either way.
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27/11/2020 15:10:34 12 11
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Let go of the negativity. The discipline of the majority of people is lowering the number who will die whether from Covid or untreated illnesses because of hospital pressures.
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27/11/2020 15:16:10 11 11
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Donald Trump did say one thing that was correct - probably only one - and that was the cure shouldn't be worse than the virus. He clearly cocked up the whole thing, but I cannot help but think that we (and half of Europe) have gone too far the other way. Lockdown appears to have helped, but by how much? Rates were already starting to level off. Sweden remains an interesting example. No lockdown.
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27/11/2020 15:18:56 13 8
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Much, much worse. Death rate this year is only slightly above last year and last year was a good year due to low influenza deaths.
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27/11/2020 15:24:26 20 7
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On average, 450 people in the UK will have died from cancer yesterday. About the same died from heart/circulatory disorders. People were diagnosed with other terminal / debilitating illnesses, such as MND and MS. All are much, much nastier than Covid 19, so while my thoughts are with anyone who suffers or dies from any condition, these "old" illnesses affect many more and cause much more harm.
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27/11/2020 15:24:27 12 8
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collateral damage from Covid twicw as bad as the virus itself.
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27/11/2020 15:28:58 7 10
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But you forget how bad things would have been without lockdowns (which would have had less collateral damage if they had been implemented earlier).
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27/11/2020 15:52:16 4 8
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Main changes will be a Christmas free for all and 'kill a granny' January.
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27/11/2020 15:53:40 4 6
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My heavens, you're not even a glass half full type, more a where's my glass type! - Cheer up, more good news but the restrictions need to remain!
27/11/2020 16:46:51 5 3
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Good news insofar as the R rate reduces, but when Westminster continue to plunge the area with the lowest R rate into Tier 3, and you have to watch businesses continue to struggle, it doesnt feel that great - shameful
27/11/2020 17:02:55 3 0
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It will be far, far worse and very long-term.
27/11/2020 17:09:15 0 1
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Unless you die
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27/11/2020 14:48:18 21 17
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Bbc gets way to excited, sort of company to say todays weather was the hottest since yesterdays.
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27/11/2020 14:48:34 27 16
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That is good news, but whilst it might not be growing there is still a lot of new cases, hospital admissions and deaths. We still need to get this under control.
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“A government cannot stop a virus. What stops a virus is natural immunity. It’s impossible to stop a virus by government decree.”

Professor Yoram Lass
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27/11/2020 14:48:55 28 31
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as this mythical r number is calculated by the doommongers at sage i'd take it with a massive pinch of salt..
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27/11/2020 14:58:04 11 8
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Yes we are all better off listening to your wise words.
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27/11/2020 14:48:01 224 61
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Some good news reported by the BBC, but what exactly will change between now and the vaccine being implemented to millions of people?

Not much

The collateral damage from Covid will be nearly as bad as the virus itself.
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27/11/2020 14:49:13 254 53
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It will be worse I'm afraid
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27/11/2020 14:53:31 38 40
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unless you are one of the tens of thousands that die or the hundreds of thousands left with long term health issues or the millions left with the aftermath of the other other two groups...but hey at least you'll be able to go for a pint in wetherspoons and shop for frozen pizza in FarmFoods without a dreaded mask, right...
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27/11/2020 14:53:32 1 8
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Doom I say. All doom and gloom.
27/11/2020 17:08:18 3 1
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How can it possibly be worse than death?
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27/11/2020 14:48:01 224 61
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Some good news reported by the BBC, but what exactly will change between now and the vaccine being implemented to millions of people?

Not much

The collateral damage from Covid will be nearly as bad as the virus itself.
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27/11/2020 14:49:36 26 14
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not nearly but a lot worse..
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27/11/2020 14:48:01 224 61
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Some good news reported by the BBC, but what exactly will change between now and the vaccine being implemented to millions of people?

Not much

The collateral damage from Covid will be nearly as bad as the virus itself.
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27/11/2020 14:49:48 31 14
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I would argue, worse.
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27/11/2020 14:57:13 5 6
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Albert Einstein once said: “in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.”
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Just imagine how much sooner this would have been if the schools and airports were closed?
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Especially Ryan air...
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27/11/2020 14:53:18 25 3
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The only problem is that when you reopened them again the rates would go up. You could hardly expect schools to remain shut for a year
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27/11/2020 14:57:11 33 20
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Hmmm so children don’t deserve an education. Fool.
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27/11/2020 15:06:42 5 3
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And the pubs, and Lulworth Cove, Bournemouth beach etc
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27/11/2020 15:23:44 1 6
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It would have taken much longer to reach herd immunity, ah well, it's here now.
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27/11/2020 15:41:42 14 5
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Says someone without children or even a shred of understanding about the function of society beyond "save lives at all costs" dogma
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27/11/2020 15:58:03 9 3
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That old "schools" chestnut - you KNOW that we opened up the schools knowing that it was a calculated risk and we'd need to have other restrictions to keep them open. You were told, it allowed kids to have a more normal childhood and helped parents WFM or return. There is good evidence that the second wave was more to do with "normal, average" people repeatedly failing to observe the simple rules
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27/11/2020 15:59:14 2 6
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You do know that your chosen pseudonym basically says that you think that white people matter more, I doubt that you really want to end racism
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27/11/2020 16:10:04 6 3
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Imagine the impact on our childrens education if the schools had been closed. Imagine all the parents that would not be able to work. Imagine all the foreclosures on firms with no workers available.
Idiotic suggestion.
27/11/2020 16:27:23 2 2
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Is this in jest or for real? I can't believe there are really still people out there who think like this!!
27/11/2020 16:38:07 1 1
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Just imagine how quickly this would have been over if covid19 didn't get the media coverage it does......
27/11/2020 17:04:26 1 0
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I flew Southampton to Belfast (and back).

was totally uncomfortable with the idea of it before I went. But both airports were nearly empty, the flights were nearly empty. Perhaps the most relaxed public spaces I've experienced since March.
27/11/2020 17:19:34 1 0
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Just imagine how much sooner this would have been over if the media were not allowed to report on it.........
27/11/2020 18:38:47 0 1
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nothing to do with schools... the data shows that
27/11/2020 19:51:42 1 0
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Awful comment. Kids' education and social development is paramount.
27/11/2020 20:42:16 0 0
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Just imagine how much sooner this would have been if SAGE actually had some experts in immunology and epidemiology in it and if they actually listened to scientists who say they have got it wrong.
28/11/2020 00:50:30 0 0
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It would not be over as many do not follow the rules as they are selfish covid deniers
28/11/2020 13:04:43 0 0
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LOL it would never end, wait until New Zealand opens up, they only let in the Pakistani cricket team and immediately had to quarantine them. Lock down slows, delays, nothing else as you'd notice if you looked at the hard lock down states whenever they open up. As for the Vaccines, Flu killed 50,000 with a vaccine, we didn't lock-down for that, and Flu vaccines aren't as dubious as one needing -70
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27/11/2020 14:51:07 12 16
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Truth is only lockdown suppress the virus
Any social mixing or household mixing leads to a spike in cases and deaths.
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27/11/2020 14:58:10 3 2
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Yep, the virus just loves meeting people, it's a very sociable virus.
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27/11/2020 14:46:16 33 30
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Until the 3rd wave which will obviously follow the Christmas splurge of social interactions.
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27/11/2020 14:51:07 27 7
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This is the world we live in now. The phrase 'social interactions' used as a pejorative slight. I want off this ride.
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27/11/2020 14:48:25 42 42
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And yet we are still under draconian lockdown.
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Mate, I think that's why the r number is going down
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Good
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27/11/2020 15:09:06 10 2
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R rate is merely one factor.
London is going to tier 2 despite R rate >1 because hospitals are quiet.
Manchester in tier 3 despite R<1 because limited capacity in hospitals. Same reason why Devon is tier 2 and Cornwall is tier 1.

Arguments against lockdown are more about what is effective in stopping spread in the first place. I agree lockdown is too blunt a tool to shape peoples behaviors
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27/11/2020 15:11:15 8 3
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It's hardly draconian but let me spell this out for you. Total infections are still high, restrictions bring the infection growth rate down, this means that eventually the total number of cases will fall after initially plateauing. If there were no restrictions the growth rate would rise and total infections would increase exponentially as seen previously. This isn't difficult to understand.
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27/11/2020 15:47:39 2 1
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We are just finishing a national lockdown, hence the R rate decreasing.
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27/11/2020 14:48:54 12 30
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It'll rise again because the current lockdown is NOT ENFORCED and people are just ignoring the rules. I reckon R=3 for a devastating 3rd wave in January. Xmas should've been cancelled.
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27/11/2020 14:56:18 6 5
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Clam down, Cromwell don’t loose your head.
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27/11/2020 15:03:00 3 1
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It's a month away and already you're foaming at the mouth. Not enforced? Have you stopped to think that maybe people are going to work as they've been told to continue doing? Paranoid you are I think.
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27/11/2020 15:05:09 2 1
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And suffer with the mental illness pandemic that would follow a cancelled Xmas ....are we not depressed enough for you people like you really have no clue do you
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27/11/2020 14:51:53 16 22
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Unfortunately those who lack the intelligence or self control will push it way back up over the "festive season". Nothing more dangerous now than a drunken idiot!
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You've met Johnson?
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27/11/2020 15:01:34 0 2
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Mind your own.
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27/11/2020 14:51:59 6 11
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‘The aim is to keep the R number below one until a vaccine is rolled out’

One word: Christmas.

Happy holidays? ¯\_(?)_/¯
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27/11/2020 14:52:04 25 34
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I ignore the "R" number, how the hell it can be calculated accurately is beyond me. I'm betting the government just comes up with it depending on how they wish to control people and make themselves look better.
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27/11/2020 14:55:57 27 2
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Luckily there are some clever people around who can calculate the R number
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Do we have the slightest evidence that this was due to restrictions and lockdowns and wouldn't have happened all by itself, without further crucifying the economy? No, didn't think so. But it won't stop government claiming that it was down to their measures.
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Is there any real factual evidence you would actually believe?
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27/11/2020 15:07:38 5 1
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Yes, it's gone down.
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27/11/2020 15:07:51 8 1
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Yes because when lockdown and restrictions were lifted the R rate shot up again. We also have plenty of evidence from other countries.
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27/11/2020 15:08:51 6 1
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The virus does not move on it's own. It requires people to move around to transit and spread it. If you stop people moving around and spreading it, then it will die out. You don't need evidence to know something that is so obvious.
This may harm the economy, and that's another question.
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27/11/2020 15:20:22 2 2
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ONS data clearly shows the curve increases with the start of school/uni term, flattens in line with half term, then coincidentally there's a big spike when kids go back to school. It looks like its kept falling since, due to lockdown? OR due to most kids now having had it and developed immunity? BBC propaganda machine was in full flow 2 weeks after lockdown saying measures worked....
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If you had stopped Ryan air flying all over lock down it might have been sooner...
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So Ryanair are the only airline in the UK then?

Utter crap post.
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27/11/2020 15:27:06 1 6
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Or if Northumbria Police had stopped the escort agencies from operating in clear violation of Tier rules - fining and publicising anyone other than those clearly daily repeat offending BUT NP care to turn a blind eye to escorts working despte knowing addresses.
Vulnerability cited - tosh - shear greed and profiteering - all equal under the law - lol
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27/11/2020 15:38:47 7 2
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Slightly strange to pick on them. Other airlines are available.
27/11/2020 16:36:10 3 3
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Ryanair are a commercial organization - if people didn't want to fly, their planes would still be on the ground. Comes back to individual responsibility. I am staying in because i can - WFH OK and have no financial worries, but I reckon if I'm not out and about then I am making the outside just that little bit safer for those people who have no choice but to do so because of work
27/11/2020 16:36:41 9 2
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Yes 2020 has been spectacularly dull and boring - 2haircuts in last year (both when restrictions eased), no nice shopping, no meals out, no gym or cinema, no weekend breaks, no family dinners and we're staying in 2 separate households for Xmas but i'll take that if it helps other people who are in far less favourable conditions than me. Whinging, bitching and flouting only prolongs the timescale
27/11/2020 16:48:53 7 1
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Or the BLM protests?
27/11/2020 23:30:51 0 1
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Ryan Air only follow their rules.

As has been said though, only one of many airlines flying in and out of the country.
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27/11/2020 14:51:36 4 3
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No more tiers before bedtime..?
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London R rate 1.2-1.4 tier 2 virus spreading Manchester R rate 0.6 - 0.8 tier 3 virus decreasing North - South dived ... you bet
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Yes, we need to move the Government up north to counteract the obvious bias
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27/11/2020 15:08:11 51 67
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Try reading the rational released for each areas lockdown - then maybe you'll understand its not about you living up north!
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27/11/2020 15:15:41 55 13
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Whole of Kent tier 3, that's in the south last time I looked. Its not just London in the south.
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27/11/2020 15:26:16 32 18
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Manchester
Nothing to be proud of though albeit the trend is going down

245 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 16 Nov-22 Nov. The average area in England had 165.

1,356 cases in the latest week 16 Nov-22 Nov - 614 compared with the previous week

30,482 total cases to 26 Nov

In 14 days time if you play by the rules you should drop out of Tier 3. Like Liverpool did.
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27/11/2020 15:35:08 8 5
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The pressure on the health service is far greater in Manchester (fewer beds available) than it is in London even with a lower infection rate. That's the main reason for the Tier differences.
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27/11/2020 15:48:04 10 3
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The R number does not indicate if a region is coping or not - if the base number of infections are low and the NHS is coping then Tier 2 should be sufficient. Anyway the report also says R could now actually be below 1 in all of England so in a couple of weeks as long as no one is stupid regions can come out of Tier 3. Better safe than sorry.
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27/11/2020 15:50:22 6 1
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If you'd listen instead of mouthing off you'd know that the R rate is just one of several factors at play when tiers are determined. But I guess you don't want to deal with complex facts beyond your comprehension.
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27/11/2020 15:53:07 4 1
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Dont other parties such as Labour have more seats in Greater London than Conservative ? Its not just about R rate. Greater Manchester has wide variations as does Greater London and if Greater London infections go up and hospitals start to get stretched they will probably trip into Tier 3. Conversely Greater Manchester if people dont keep infecting each other may drop to Tier 2.
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27/11/2020 15:59:07 5 2
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"London R rate 1.2-1.4 tier 2 virus spreading Manchester R rate 0.6 - 0.8 tier 3 virus decreasing North - South dived"

It isn't all about the local R number. It's also about infection levels, surrounding areas, hospital occupancy and a number of other factors.
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27/11/2020 16:10:43 3 5
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Ooooh look the professional northerners are out today. Makes a change from all the professional remainers.
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27/11/2020 16:14:20 2 2
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Yep, far too full of working class people for our elitist, Londoncentric politicians.
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"divide"
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27/11/2020 16:21:29 3 1
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Thats what I can't understand - couldn't just be because many of us didn't vote for them could it?
27/11/2020 16:23:34 5 1
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But London's R rate isn't 1.2-1.4, as you can see in the graph above it's 1.0-1.1. Also London's case rate is 180 per 100,000 compared to Manchester's 250 per 100,000. Also the numbers per 100,000 over 60 years old in Manchester is much worse, and there are still some hospitals in danger of overflowing.
27/11/2020 16:24:39 4 5
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Interesting that Liverpool whose mayor 'uncle Joe' begged for his city to be locked down and has been grovellingly compliant with Bozo now gets tier 2 but Manchester, where Burnham made a fuss, gets tier 3. I smell a 'teaching them a lesson' rat here. So much for following the science!
27/11/2020 16:29:13 2 3
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Love this. It's funny how the same people complain about all the advantages Londoners get were lording it over them for living in pokey little flats while they were enjoying the countryside and their massive garden during the first lockdown.
27/11/2020 16:32:42 0 7
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London has herd immunity so shouldn't even be in tier 1, the government is fudging the numbers and a sympathetic lockdown does extraordinary amounts of economic damage for nothing - you have it backwards, you guys in the north should have been complaining about LD1.0, but you all went full sheep. Some of us tried on your behalf.
27/11/2020 16:40:39 4 0
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Where are you getting these numbers from? The article has a handy graph showing the latest estimates. Your numbers do not match said graph. The numbers on the graph are a less extreme version of your made up ones so you kind of damage your own argument by making up stuff. Or is reality not good enough for you?
27/11/2020 17:13:30 3 1
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I see all the howls of agony from people who think they have been treated unfairly because they are in a high tier area yet their local infection rate is low. I live in Ainsdale part of Southport part of Sefton part of the Liverpool city region. Our rates were minimal. We were the first to be put into tier 3 back in October and nobody paid attention to our howls. Tough.
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Until the inevitable post-New Year third wave unfortunately.
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I think they will cancel New Year. They just haven’t told us yet.
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Just imagine how much sooner this would have been if the schools and airports were closed?
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Especially Ryan air...
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27/11/2020 15:06:06 12 3
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The way o'Leary criticises the government handling of the pandemic is interesting.

Anyone would think he was a UK voter when in reality he's a Brit hater.

Should be made to remove his planes from UK airports and avoid our airspace.
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27/11/2020 15:20:36 2 4
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Deffo Ryan Air should have been grounded Rip off merchants lost 1,000's this year with them
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27/11/2020 16:01:39 0 2
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It was not just Ryan Air that got us off to a bad start with over a million of our residents overseas at the start of the pandemic. o'Leary is clearly irritating when he criticises HMG and that makes him a target for ridicule. All the downmarket airlines plus the upmarket airlines transport too many people round the world.
Airport taxes must rise for people.
We are short of air freight capacity.
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How original!
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Some good news reported by the BBC, but what exactly will change between now and the vaccine being implemented to millions of people?

Not much

The collateral damage from Covid will be nearly as bad as the virus itself.
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Have to disagree. The collateral damage is vastly worse than the virus.
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27/11/2020 15:16:33 7 5
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Like any of you have got the first idea, tell us what information you used to reach your conclusions, and what exactly do you mean by collateral damage?
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27/11/2020 14:47:06 27 35
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Will they now stop the changes to the tier system? NO.

Because they are testing thier arm at how much control they can have over everyone.
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The Government is there to organise and control a population. Otherwise it's anarchy. Reducing the access to pubs is not a big deal.
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Totally pointless as 5 days of Xmas will bring the R rate up to about 3 again
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27/11/2020 14:58:09 20 16
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Again? It's never been up to 3.
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27/11/2020 15:47:17 0 3
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People in the south going to pubs for a meal over the next month won't help either
27/11/2020 16:58:57 0 0
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Who cares? You can’t control a virus without giving up everything we hold dear.
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27/11/2020 14:53:00 7 4
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However it’s 1.2 R in Mendip and rising, with hardly anybody out and about. Why? How?
Most places in the UK have been prohibited from seeing their partners. When your sister is your lover, as is the Somerset tradition, obviously that makes a difference? Removed
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Some people are clearly not sticking to the rules out of sight then.
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Maybe they all meeting up indoors.
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Delightful news
27/11/2020 17:53:17 22 35
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Incredible to me that Johnson is putting how he will viewed by a future Public Inquiry before the welfare of the Country.
He's insisting on taking the cowardly way out every time, even though all the evidence is that these ridiculous measures are now making little or no difference.
Pathetic.
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Just imagine how much sooner this would have been if the schools and airports were closed?
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27/11/2020 14:53:18 25 3
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The only problem is that when you reopened them again the rates would go up. You could hardly expect schools to remain shut for a year
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27/11/2020 15:16:21 28 12
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The point is, had we done this right at the start shut the airports and force _everyone_ through 2 weeks isolation no matter where they went ie what Taiwan did, then we'd all be hugging our families now.

But no! Brits wanted their holidays, the beaches, their mass protests on all sides of the political divide. We couldn't see further than our own noses :(
27/11/2020 16:44:45 2 3
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"You could hardly expect schools to remain shut for a year"

You could if they prove to be a material source of transmission, as I suspect they are. They are no more a special case than all the others.

I see groups of parents outside the local school every day and none of them are far apart.
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27/11/2020 14:53:22 20 22
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Under the leadership of Boris Johnson the UK has both the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide as well as by far the highest number of deaths from the Coronavirus of any EU nation

Yes the "R" number is slowly comming down but the reason the virus spread to such an extent in the 2nd wave is because Boris (again) tried to ignore scientific advice & locked down too late

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27/11/2020 14:57:45 10 4
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Too late for what?

Lockdowns have slowed spread and lowered the R value.

Lockdowns were never designed to eradicate the virus which it was always clear, they couldn't do - the point was to slow infection rate to allow health services to "cope" with influxes which is exactly what they've done.
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27/11/2020 14:57:50 5 3
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Fact Check. The UK doesn't have the highest number of deaths per capita (the only stat that actually means anything). Belgium, Spain and Italy are all higher. Also, the R number reducing two days before lockdown started. Stop believing the propaganda and open your eyes.
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27/11/2020 14:59:16 1 3
bbc
Oh dear we know which way you have voted in the past and will continue to do so in the future. We can therefore, that is the Tory Party, discount your views as no matter how much jam was put on your bread you will continue to vilify the Conservatives, the party that gets the country working as opposed to living on benefits.
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27/11/2020 15:00:09 2 5
bbc
Can all the people in this country who believe in the efficacy of lockdown please sign their names on a national register. That way we'll know when to send the bill.
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27/11/2020 15:01:44 1 2
bbc
We have statistically a higher age demographic compared say to Africa
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RJF
27/11/2020 15:09:06 1 1
bbc
As the country with the 2nd highest population in Europe it is hardly surprising that the number of deaths will be high. However on a % basis it is lower than Italy, Spain and Belgium and a number of countries in the Balkans and E Europe are rapidly catching us. Furthermore, what criteria are other countries using to determine whether or not a death was from COVID? Don't make this party political
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27/11/2020 14:49:13 254 53
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It will be worse I'm afraid
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27/11/2020 14:53:31 38 40
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unless you are one of the tens of thousands that die or the hundreds of thousands left with long term health issues or the millions left with the aftermath of the other other two groups...but hey at least you'll be able to go for a pint in wetherspoons and shop for frozen pizza in FarmFoods without a dreaded mask, right...
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27/11/2020 14:59:06 36 18
bbc
tell that to the hundreds of thousands that that have died from flu over the years because we didn't have a lockdown every winter..
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27/11/2020 15:14:30 17 21
bbc
Bore off and wave your virtue elsewhere. For the record, I don't care about your grandparents but I do care about my children's mortgage.
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27/11/2020 15:15:17 15 11
bbc
As we will still have Flu and Common cold viruses i presume you have always worn a mask and will continue to do so until all illness is eradicated .
565
27/11/2020 15:46:49 11 7
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Erm no
You’ll be able to contribute to an economy that was already in deficit and is now in free fall
Pay freezes just the start
Foreign aid next and taxes to go up
Then the triple lock will be abolished
Allied to thousands of extra deaths through no screening
Whilst of course the vulnerable have been hardest hit
Never mind though blame Wetherspoons and read the guardian
662
27/11/2020 15:51:10 13 5
bbc
"unless you are one of the tens of thousands that die or the hundreds of thousands left with long term health issues"

Or one of the estimated 3m people who so far have had cancer screening appointments cancelled because of this hysterical nonsense. Or those who can't have chemotherapy or get help with mental health issues. Or those who have lost their jobs.
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DrR
27/11/2020 14:48:34 27 16
bbc
That is good news, but whilst it might not be growing there is still a lot of new cases, hospital admissions and deaths. We still need to get this under control.
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27/11/2020 14:53:45 27 8
bbc
“A government cannot stop a virus. What stops a virus is natural immunity. It’s impossible to stop a virus by government decree.”

Professor Yoram Lass
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27/11/2020 16:18:35 4 3
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What stops a virus is the inability to replicate. Everyone being immune, dead, or separated achieves that.

Smallpox was eradicated by vaccinations mandated by government decree

Yoram also said "I'm going to say something that's really hard to hear. For the sake of a few people who anyways don't have a long life expectancy, you don't ruin a country. You don't ruin the world. You sacrifice."
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27/11/2020 14:54:20 10 4
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"New Covid restrictions will come into force in Wales as cases continue to rise again having fallen after the firebreak lockdown.

The R rate – the number of people each infected person passed the virus on to – has risen again to 1.4, First Minister Mark Drakeford said."
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27/11/2020 15:02:18 11 6
bbc
This coming from a party that thinks it knows what is best for the country. Does that mean that if we went into the circuit breaker when Labour wanted the country to we would not be were we are now with the R number coming down, or like they are in Wales were the R number is going up.
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27/11/2020 15:30:13 3 2
bbc
As a timeline, this would mean that the figure must already have been rising when the firebreak ended.
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27/11/2020 14:53:02 3 7
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Just in time for Christmas... What a load of tinsel and balls....
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27/11/2020 14:47:54 30 21
bbc
Excellent news - now let's keep it that way.

We are more aware than we were in March and need to keep up the wear mask, wash hands and maintain distance.
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27/11/2020 14:49:13 254 53
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It will be worse I'm afraid
41
27/11/2020 14:53:32 1 8
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Doom I say. All doom and gloom.
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27/11/2020 14:55:06 12 8
bbc
But in Wales, it is as high as 1.4 according to Mark Drakeford. But we're always being told about how Mark and Vaughan are COVID combat specialists.
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27/11/2020 14:58:51 12 9
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If you'll believe Drakeford you'll believe anything.
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27/11/2020 14:47:54 30 21
bbc
Excellent news - now let's keep it that way.

We are more aware than we were in March and need to keep up the wear mask, wash hands and maintain distance.
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27/11/2020 14:55:16 4 20
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Yes let's live like prisoners forever shall we all wandering about with a silly raf over half our faces as our souless submissive eyes peer out at s depressing landscape.

Sooner take me chances with The Rhona if it's all the same with you fella.
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27/11/2020 15:13:21 16 5
bbc
It's not all the same with me, because if you get it you'll probably spread it. I don't care about you but I do worry about other people and the burden you'll be putting on the nation. Do your bit and suck it up.
27/11/2020 18:46:03 2 0
bbc
Yeah, well it's not all the same to the rest of us, is it? Your 'taking your chances' also means taking the chance of spreading it to other people. Nothing entitles you to do that.
27/11/2020 23:17:53 1 0
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You go for it! Me, I'll wait a few more months until the vaccines are available and then get on with my life.

p.s. Might be worth checking if your health insurance will still pay out if you suffer from the pre-existing condition of terminal stoopidity - be a shame if your family had to shell out for your unnecessary funeral, wouldn't it?
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27/11/2020 14:55:36 21 16
bbc
Doublethink: Telling us the R is below one and expecting us to believe it's justifiable to put most of England in Tier 2 or 3.

Gets more ridiculous by the day.
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27/11/2020 14:59:38 1 1
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The chocolate ration has Increased
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27/11/2020 15:00:59 5 4
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You realise the TOTAL number of infections is still high and that this is the growth rate that has been lowered? Lowered precisely because of lockdown and other restrictions. Or is that beyond your ken?
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Tim
27/11/2020 15:09:14 2 4
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So 20,000 new case per day. With an R number at 1 -- that'll be 20,000 new case every day - so 1/2 million more cases before XMAS, Cant't remeber what percentage end up hopitalised, but you can se an R rate of 1 is not so f* great.
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27/11/2020 14:53:00 7 4
bbc
However it’s 1.2 R in Mendip and rising, with hardly anybody out and about. Why? How?
Most places in the UK have been prohibited from seeing their partners. When your sister is your lover, as is the Somerset tradition, obviously that makes a difference? Removed
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27/11/2020 14:52:04 25 34
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I ignore the "R" number, how the hell it can be calculated accurately is beyond me. I'm betting the government just comes up with it depending on how they wish to control people and make themselves look better.
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27/11/2020 14:55:57 27 2
bbc
Luckily there are some clever people around who can calculate the R number
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JWS
27/11/2020 14:55:58 8 12
bbc
Noone is listening to this drivel now. Just waiting for the next election to vote out anyone pushing lockdowns and virus restrictions.
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27/11/2020 14:57:42 2 2
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Having already taken the money..?
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27/11/2020 14:58:35 2 2
bbc
Could’t agree more with this comment.
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27/11/2020 15:00:20 0 2
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Does that include brexit hero Boris Johnson and Co.?
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27/11/2020 15:10:07 0 1
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Which is precisely why Labour is wholeheartedly backing government restrictions.
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27/11/2020 14:52:14 456 107
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London R rate 1.2-1.4 tier 2 virus spreading Manchester R rate 0.6 - 0.8 tier 3 virus decreasing North - South dived ... you bet
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27/11/2020 14:56:00 258 67
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Yes, we need to move the Government up north to counteract the obvious bias
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27/11/2020 15:09:56 58 65
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And get rid of Andy "look at me, listen to me, me, me, me" Burnham asap. Indeed, get rid of the unwanted post he occupies, too.
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27/11/2020 15:14:40 63 58
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Why would the Government want to lock up the North if there was no need? My goodness there is a lot of rubbish talked on this HYS
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27/11/2020 15:15:04 17 13
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No please no: def don’t want ANY more gravy trains going across the Pennines! p.s. for anyone living south of Donny and reading that, the Pennines are the backbone of England...interesting you only find that range up North?!
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27/11/2020 15:35:22 5 12
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You don't need the government to go anywhere the BBC is doing it all for you. Creating a negative North/South divide narrative. Sadly a lot if people are going for it.
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27/11/2020 15:41:45 4 14
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That old northern shoulder chip coming to the fore again!!
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27/11/2020 15:46:38 4 1
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North to Edinburgh? Sounds good to me.
723
27/11/2020 15:58:36 4 3
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We need to move government and their cronies into the Irish sea
27/11/2020 16:22:57 2 1
bbc
Not a bad idea and dispose of that antiquated money pit the Palace of Westminster
27/11/2020 16:23:20 1 1
bbc
Up for that - they will need to move out of Houses of Parliament for several years anyway whilst building is brought up to code - so why not come up here instead - cheaper housing for MPs staying over, and a chance to actually see some of the areas they are currently overlooking - if that doesn't bring about some different policy making the nothing will
27/11/2020 16:48:38 0 0
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You are welcome to them. Enjoy.
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27/11/2020 14:48:54 12 30
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It'll rise again because the current lockdown is NOT ENFORCED and people are just ignoring the rules. I reckon R=3 for a devastating 3rd wave in January. Xmas should've been cancelled.
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27/11/2020 14:56:18 6 5
bbc
Clam down, Cromwell don’t loose your head.
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27/11/2020 14:56:21 507 130
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Wait until January then it'll be on the rise again.

Too many people seem to think "what can I get away with" instead of "how can I help?", but that's hardly surprising when we're brought up being told to always put yourself first and not let other people to tell you what to do.
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27/11/2020 15:12:33 37 9
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I'm glad someone else recognises it's no good shouting down rule breakers when society altogether needs reforming.
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27/11/2020 15:16:37 66 53
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Margaret Thatcher’s single biggest legacy. The “I’m all right, Jack! Screw you guys!” mentality.
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27/11/2020 15:36:11 26 76
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we're brought up being told what to do by people in uniform. a lot of the time, unreasonably. the authorities standard procedure is to cry wolf ("you shouldn't be doing this, because it's the law, not because you shouldn't be doing it").

after a while, people start getting tired of unreasonable laws/rules.
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27/11/2020 15:56:36 4 7
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Are we?
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27/11/2020 16:01:21 35 15
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When we had Operation Fear for Brexit, it backfired spectacularly. The same is happening for this.

Using fear to try and control people just doesn't work anymore, it almost seems to harden their resolve the other way, and makes people think only of themselves.

They need to try and spread a message of responsibility and helping, rather than fear amd threats.
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27/11/2020 16:05:35 17 40
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yes we will have to learn to live with it at least it's not as bad as flu
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BTJ
27/11/2020 16:18:26 12 21
bbc
Yep, my wife has done her bit! Lost her job after 12 years, along with 400 others. A once booming business now hanging on by a thread! Some of her colleagues are facing homelessness & poverty. We'll keep doing our bit & listening to the SAGE lies & manipulated statistics!
27/11/2020 16:22:57 19 3
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A little heard phrase "devil take the hindmost" comes to mind ..... you are completely correct in what you say .... same sort of mentality as is seen by the current times almost total dropping of the little word "please" when following "excuse me.." ....manners maketh man . Too many low standards throughout the population .........
lai
27/11/2020 16:23:28 3 19
bbc
This is exactly one of those situations where you DO need to put yourself first and not let the government tell you what to do. The government stats are out there for all of us to see and it’s bloody obvious.
27/11/2020 16:26:47 3 2
bbc
It's being so cheerful that keeps you going eh?
27/11/2020 16:37:47 3 17
bbc
Yeah I have been ignoring the rules since day 1 and will continue to do so until this nonsense is over.

You in the other hand have given up your freedoms willingly, embarrassing.
27/11/2020 16:40:39 4 3
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"We're" ! Rest assured not all of us where brought up to put ourselves first or to disregard everything others might be telling us that is for our own benefit.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that there are so many of "Generation Me" around today though, the self centred generation that Thatcher gave birth too in the 80's...

Sadly we will all have to pay shorty for "Generation Me's" Xmas...
27/11/2020 16:42:02 5 2
bbc
What like Dominic Cummings and that Scottish MP who went from London to Scotland on a train knowing full well she had the virus. You mean like those guys who thought about number 1???
27/11/2020 16:44:01 0 1
bbc
That is rather a sweeping comment - and not how I was brought up - or my children - or my grandchildren!
27/11/2020 16:46:10 2 0
bbc
There’s a whole world out there beyond the back of your sofa...
27/11/2020 17:11:30 0 2
bbc
you could also ask reasonable questions instead of condemning everybody else for not having a sheep like attitude
27/11/2020 17:17:08 4 1
bbc
I agree I have been following the rules/guidelines all the time due to underlying health issues, whenever I have been out to get some essential shopping guess what no social distancing, no wearing masks inside or out I am now getting so cheeses off with it as if it wasn't for these idiots we would be doing better than we are and not in tier 3
27/11/2020 17:34:28 6 0
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As a teacher I once encountered a child who refused a request and said "I know my rights".

I invited him up to the blackboard and drew two columns. I headed the first column "Rights" and he filled in a long list.

I headed the second column "Responsibilities" and he couldn't think of one.
27/11/2020 17:41:18 1 2
bbc
Congratulations, you have summed up the policy of Whitty and Vallence in a nutshell.
Their ruinous advice and dodgy modelling has made a bad situation far, far worse...and they are still getting away with 'science' that their more competent peers have pointed out the flaws in over and over again.
27/11/2020 18:02:01 0 0
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100% right mate
27/11/2020 18:19:02 1 0
bbc
It will certainly rise if they relax restrictions during the Christmas period. It is a sad fact that there are far too many people who have no self-restraint where alcohol is concerned.
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27/11/2020 14:56:39 15 13
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This just serves to show the stupidity of government policies after the first lock-down.

They gave out tax subsidies to dine out and insisted that people traveled to work on public transport.

They were still equating Covid-19 to flu all the way through to October.

Late into the first lock-down and a failed test-and-trace system to boot.

What are they going to screw up next?
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27/11/2020 14:58:18 14 7
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brexit
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27/11/2020 15:08:09 1 2
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nonsense, when dining out if you followed distancing rules there would be no spread of the disease. Public transport was a last resort not insisted upon, did you see how many idiots were on busses and trains and refusing to wear masks.
Selfish Idiots caused this second spike
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27/11/2020 14:56:41 717 158
bbc
Great news! Now those (including myself) who live in the Tier 3 areas need to do their bit to beat the R number down much further. It’s going to tough, but it’s all relative, and short-term.

If we can be below 0.5 by Christmas, I’ll be chuffed.
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27/11/2020 15:08:37 397 39
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Great to read a positive post. Happy Christmas Trickcyclist.
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27/11/2020 15:15:47 38 10
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Great thinking my friend: go for it!
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27/11/2020 15:21:30 24 56
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It’s never been anywhere near 0.5. Even during the summer. Dream on..... They don’t have the resources to hit all Tier 3 areas with mass testing. They should have hit areas with very high rates (over 400/100,000) and areas with persistently high rates first and put the others into Tier 2. This is less whack a mole and more trying to sit on an elephant.
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27/11/2020 15:22:46 61 170
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the R number is coming down because the virus has run its course herd immunity is almost complete. The decline will be swift.Personal behavoiur has very, very little bearing on matters.
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27/11/2020 15:23:41 50 4
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Have to say, after a month long lockdown, what do these ares going into T3 have to do that they haven't already?
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27/11/2020 15:25:01 61 69
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Short term? Like three weeks to flatten curve to save the NHS? Remember that? First of many covid lies by this shambles of a government and backed up by a spineless opposition.
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27/11/2020 15:26:20 66 19
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Brilliant attitude!!
so rare for HYS though :D
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27/11/2020 15:47:02 29 3
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I do appreciate your enthusiasm. I'm in one of those Tier 3 areas where we have 2 (TWO) Covid patients in the entire area in an enormous county hospital; we have cut our infection rates week on week by 50% and have less than the country average; we have no adjacent hotspots within an hour's fast car journey... Just... how? It's hard to support without understanding the basis for the decision.
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27/11/2020 15:42:54 26 29
bbc
The R number is a flawed measure based on flawed data. There is no good news about millions of destroyed livelihoods because of ineffectual lockdowns.
635
27/11/2020 15:51:17 10 11
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Yes, if we're good little boys and girls we can be treated like London. Until then, go to your room and don't come out for 14 days.
658
27/11/2020 15:53:06 13 20
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Its seasonal and will pass in the spring, these restriction, wearing a mask etc all make no difference, you are being conned
666
27/11/2020 15:53:52 12 7
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Remember the R rate is not clearly defined and is just estimated by a group of people who have got many things wrong and believe we all need to prioritise this over everything else.
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27/11/2020 15:55:04 6 12
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No thanks I'm off to the pub as soon as it opens up
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27/11/2020 15:58:41 5 3
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agreed! This is no time to sit around on our Rs
752
27/11/2020 16:00:46 2 10
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You're funny. I seriously would consider a career in stand-up.
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27/11/2020 16:01:11 4 4
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Love your attitude trickcylist - we all need to be trickcyclists :)
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27/11/2020 16:05:18 10 3
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I'm not exactly how much more I personally can do. I have my shopping delivered. The only people who ever come in my house are us, our cat and our mums who are in our bubble. I am getting sick and tired of this now. I don't meet anyone, my mental health is getting more shot to pieces.
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27/11/2020 16:16:51 5 3
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Go the population ...ALL of you ...to grant trickcyclist's wish !
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27/11/2020 16:18:34 4 4
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Thank goodness for some positive news. Don’t let up now people and follow the rules. Forsake Christmas just this once and stay safe !
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27/11/2020 16:21:57 3 7
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Ok Boris
27/11/2020 16:24:39 3 6
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Christmas will bring it right back up

Tory chaos makes that certain
27/11/2020 16:30:38 5 5
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Well said we all need to work together, whatever tier we are in to reduce the R rate and rid us of the virus
27/11/2020 16:36:14 4 5
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It’s a load of nonsense. Go and live your life.
27/11/2020 16:38:08 0 3
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Too funny!
27/11/2020 16:41:21 1 3
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Are you being sarcastic tc? I really can't tell......
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27/11/2020 14:53:00 7 4
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However it’s 1.2 R in Mendip and rising, with hardly anybody out and about. Why? How?
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27/11/2020 14:56:48 1 2
bbc
Some people are clearly not sticking to the rules out of sight then.
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27/11/2020 14:56:51 5 7
bbc
Tiers of a clown
Tears of an idiot! Removed
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27/11/2020 14:56:52 10 10
bbc
Bet these figures were not used when fixing tiers! Government only uses the statistics that bring gloom and doom. There'll be no revision of tiers on 16th December either as the numbers won't fit.
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27/11/2020 15:01:52 3 1
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Correct anyone in tier 2/3 will not be going down a tier until at least the new year and Christmas will mean the R will be going up so don't expect anything in the new year either
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27/11/2020 14:56:58 56 52
bbc
Destroying peoples lives for years to come to "protect" against a virus where 99.5% people recover / average age of death is 84.6 years
Makes zero sense and zero logic
We have not been told the truth since day one. Something else is going on
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27/11/2020 14:59:28 23 22
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I thought that . Surely those in charge can't be so thick as to make such s mess of the country but look at them, yes they are that thick.

Its pure and simple incompetency no more no less.
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27/11/2020 15:00:14 5 10
bbc
Yes its called using the virus as an excuse for when Brexit is the disaster it was always going to be
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27/11/2020 15:02:57 10 2
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Its not about who dies its about making sure NHS isn't overloaded and they have to make a decision on a 13 year who needs their appendix our or a 57 year old who needs a heart OP. Look at the big picture. what else exactly is going on, Aliens landed???
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Tim
27/11/2020 15:04:06 4 4
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Apparently 1 in 20 people who've had Covid have symptoms of Long Covid.
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27/11/2020 15:05:02 9 2
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Got to protect the NHS at all costs. Disappointing in doing so through these authoritarian measures that if you’ve got cancer or other life threatening illness you don’t matter.
Remember the mantra - protect the NHS ( and by the way don’t expect to be treated or see a GP for the foreseeable)
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adi
27/11/2020 15:06:28 5 3
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It is 99.8% recovery actually
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27/11/2020 15:11:32 6 4
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Just because someone is old it doesn't mean that they should be allowed to die just so that you can go to the pub!!!!
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27/11/2020 14:51:26 95 56
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If you had stopped Ryan air flying all over lock down it might have been sooner...
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27/11/2020 14:57:00 113 56
bbc
So Ryanair are the only airline in the UK then?

Utter crap post.
Personally id shut Ryanair down anyway, but only because its a crap airline run by an idiot rude CEO. Removed
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27/11/2020 14:57:01 15 18
bbc
The longer they keep this going the more people will take the vaccine this is a game of minds and they are using every trick to ensure it happens, first dangle a carrot if we are good we can have Xmas , if the R rate comes down less restrictive measures but that is not true as we can see with 55 million people in what is effectively lockdown they are treating us like kids wake up.
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27/11/2020 14:59:26 9 1
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The R number has dropped bellow 1 for the first time since August

Now it STARTS to get safer

What pary of that dont you get in your paranoid "they're all out to get me world"?
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27/11/2020 15:03:39 0 3
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The problem is that there is still a very high number of infections. So with an R of 0.9 if each person with the virus infects 9 others then while the number of infections will go down, it will take a long time to get down to a more acceptable level.
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27/11/2020 15:05:19 0 3
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Actually, the longer they keep up this pretense, the less people will trust them, and so LESS people will take the vaccine!
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27/11/2020 15:08:46 2 1
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The whole idea of restrictions is to stop the hospitals from collapsing under the strain, we cannot eradicate the virus only control until vaccines are available.

It is about managing the virus so we don't have deaths in the hundreds of thousands, which would happen if the NHS collapsed and no one could access medical services.

so people moaning is just normal selfish behaviour, sorry guys
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27/11/2020 14:49:56 254 152
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Just imagine how much sooner this would have been if the schools and airports were closed?
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27/11/2020 14:57:11 33 20
bbc
Hmmm so children don’t deserve an education. Fool.
27/11/2020 16:56:20 3 5
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The only "fools" are those that incorrectly think (if they can actually think that is) that a childs education cannot be caught up on...

You can catch up on education but you can't catch up on lives lost or long term health damage of those elders a child needs to educate them...

Perhaps before attempting to label others as "fools" then you might want to apply that label to yourself first...
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27/11/2020 14:49:48 31 14
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I would argue, worse.
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27/11/2020 14:57:13 5 6
bbc
Albert Einstein once said: “in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.”
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27/11/2020 15:20:22 6 2
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Yep - Jeff Bezos has made lots and lots of money. His ex-wife must be wishing she held on a bit longer... she's the 3rd richest woman on the planet because she was married to the man who built Amazon. Whooo go girl etc. Shame about the destruction of the high street, but that's up to us consumers. Please buy from domestic shops (or their online facility) if you can.
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27/11/2020 15:41:00 9 3
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"Albert Einstein once said: “in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.”

He clearly wasn't familiar with the clowns running our circus.
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27/11/2020 14:57:17 7 14
bbc
Unsubstantiated rubbish !
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27/11/2020 14:59:17 2 1
bbc
Wake up David oates, do you work for the man?
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27/11/2020 15:00:10 3 1
bbc
So give us your expertly collected stats to disprove this?
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27/11/2020 14:48:25 42 42
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And yet we are still under draconian lockdown.
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27/11/2020 14:57:25 79 13
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Mate, I think that's why the r number is going down
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27/11/2020 14:47:54 30 21
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Excellent news - now let's keep it that way.

We are more aware than we were in March and need to keep up the wear mask, wash hands and maintain distance.
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27/11/2020 14:55:32 4 6
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"We"..? Some of us having washing our hands learnt in childhood!
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DJL
27/11/2020 14:51:53 16 22
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Unfortunately those who lack the intelligence or self control will push it way back up over the "festive season". Nothing more dangerous now than a drunken idiot!
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27/11/2020 14:51:07 27 7
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This is the world we live in now. The phrase 'social interactions' used as a pejorative slight. I want off this ride.
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Under the leadership of Boris Johnson the UK has both the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide as well as by far the highest number of deaths from the Coronavirus of any EU nation

Yes the "R" number is slowly comming down but the reason the virus spread to such an extent in the 2nd wave is because Boris (again) tried to ignore scientific advice & locked down too late

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27/11/2020 14:57:45 10 4
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Too late for what?

Lockdowns have slowed spread and lowered the R value.

Lockdowns were never designed to eradicate the virus which it was always clear, they couldn't do - the point was to slow infection rate to allow health services to "cope" with influxes which is exactly what they've done.
Too late to save 1000s of British lives and too late to be able to go ahead and safely reopen our economy in time for the Christmas rush meaning 100,000s of jobs have been risked. And all because Boris ignored SAGE advice in mid October
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Under the leadership of Boris Johnson the UK has both the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide as well as by far the highest number of deaths from the Coronavirus of any EU nation

Yes the "R" number is slowly comming down but the reason the virus spread to such an extent in the 2nd wave is because Boris (again) tried to ignore scientific advice & locked down too late

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27/11/2020 14:57:50 5 3
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Fact Check. The UK doesn't have the highest number of deaths per capita (the only stat that actually means anything). Belgium, Spain and Italy are all higher. Also, the R number reducing two days before lockdown started. Stop believing the propaganda and open your eyes.
Fact check, the number of official Covid deaths in the UK is indeed lower then Belgium and Spain per 100,000 pop. Its now level with Italy. If u take excess deaths (a far better measure) the UK is by far the worst the the EU
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DJL
27/11/2020 14:51:53 16 22
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Unfortunately those who lack the intelligence or self control will push it way back up over the "festive season". Nothing more dangerous now than a drunken idiot!
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27/11/2020 14:57:50 1 3
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You've met Johnson?
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27/11/2020 14:58:01 57 30
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Makes total sense to keep us all locked up throughout December then....
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27/11/2020 14:59:27 115 38
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It would yes if people could be trusted then we wouldn't need such harsh measures. But they can't and this appeasement over christmas will only make things worse.
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27/11/2020 15:03:16 1 16
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The problem is that there is still a very high number of infections. So with an R of 0.9 if each person with the virus infects 9 others then while the number of infections will go down, it will take a long time to get down to a more acceptable level.
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27/11/2020 16:06:35 11 2
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Lots of mistakes in the replies here. Let's compare it to a car:
R above 1 means it's acelerating
R = 1 means it's doing a constant speed.
R below 1 means it's slowing

We're slowing (slightly), but we are still going much too fast - it's not time to go back on the accelerator yet.
27/11/2020 16:37:20 3 1
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Certainly does, keep the R value down at the time of year that the NHS has the most strain, common sense I'd say!
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27/11/2020 14:48:55 28 31
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as this mythical r number is calculated by the doommongers at sage i'd take it with a massive pinch of salt..
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27/11/2020 14:58:04 11 8
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Yes we are all better off listening to your wise words.
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27/11/2020 15:08:03 3 6
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i'm not asking you to listen to my wise words vlad.. i'm meerly giving my opinion..
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27/11/2020 14:51:13 36 39
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Do we have the slightest evidence that this was due to restrictions and lockdowns and wouldn't have happened all by itself, without further crucifying the economy? No, didn't think so. But it won't stop government claiming that it was down to their measures.
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27/11/2020 14:58:07 32 4
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Is there any real factual evidence you would actually believe?
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27/11/2020 14:52:59 42 33
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Totally pointless as 5 days of Xmas will bring the R rate up to about 3 again
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27/11/2020 14:58:09 20 16
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Again? It's never been up to 3.
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27/11/2020 15:04:19 5 3
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Try reading the article above !!!
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27/11/2020 15:23:02 2 4
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It was 3 in March
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27/11/2020 14:51:07 12 16
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Truth is only lockdown suppress the virus
Any social mixing or household mixing leads to a spike in cases and deaths.
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27/11/2020 14:58:10 3 2
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Yep, the virus just loves meeting people, it's a very sociable virus.
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27/11/2020 14:56:39 15 13
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This just serves to show the stupidity of government policies after the first lock-down.

They gave out tax subsidies to dine out and insisted that people traveled to work on public transport.

They were still equating Covid-19 to flu all the way through to October.

Late into the first lock-down and a failed test-and-trace system to boot.

What are they going to screw up next?
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27/11/2020 14:58:18 14 7
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brexit
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JWS
27/11/2020 14:55:58 8 12
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Noone is listening to this drivel now. Just waiting for the next election to vote out anyone pushing lockdowns and virus restrictions.
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27/11/2020 14:57:42 2 2
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Having already taken the money..?
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JWS
27/11/2020 14:55:58 8 12
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Noone is listening to this drivel now. Just waiting for the next election to vote out anyone pushing lockdowns and virus restrictions.
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27/11/2020 14:58:35 2 2
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Could’t agree more with this comment.
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27/11/2020 14:55:06 12 8
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But in Wales, it is as high as 1.4 according to Mark Drakeford. But we're always being told about how Mark and Vaughan are COVID combat specialists.
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27/11/2020 14:58:51 12 9
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If you'll believe Drakeford you'll believe anything.
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27/11/2020 15:12:48 5 1
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I don't believe any of them but MD has hit a new level of BS. In today's press conference, he said that the Welsh "firebreak" had achieved everything he had hoped for. He then went on to describe the new restrictions and how the R rate is 1.4. The man is a gold plated clown.
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27/11/2020 14:53:31 38 40
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unless you are one of the tens of thousands that die or the hundreds of thousands left with long term health issues or the millions left with the aftermath of the other other two groups...but hey at least you'll be able to go for a pint in wetherspoons and shop for frozen pizza in FarmFoods without a dreaded mask, right...
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27/11/2020 14:59:06 36 18
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tell that to the hundreds of thousands that that have died from flu over the years because we didn't have a lockdown every winter..
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27/11/2020 15:10:04 27 25
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Lock downs do NOT work!!!
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27/11/2020 15:13:42 19 7
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But we have a vaccine for flu. It has saved the lives of millions more in this country alone.

When we have the vaccine for COVID we won't need to lockdowns. Why is that not simple for some to understand!
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Under the leadership of Boris Johnson the UK has both the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide as well as by far the highest number of deaths from the Coronavirus of any EU nation

Yes the "R" number is slowly comming down but the reason the virus spread to such an extent in the 2nd wave is because Boris (again) tried to ignore scientific advice & locked down too late

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27/11/2020 14:59:16 1 3
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Oh dear we know which way you have voted in the past and will continue to do so in the future. We can therefore, that is the Tory Party, discount your views as no matter how much jam was put on your bread you will continue to vilify the Conservatives, the party that gets the country working as opposed to living on benefits.
Ooh dear, you making excuses for the fact the UK has suffered almost 70,000 excess deaths this year and has the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide....i think we alk know which way YOU voted
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27/11/2020 14:59:17 3 1
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The rate of infection in Somerset was very low and falling before lockdown 2 , now its rising 3/4 weeks after starting lockdown. Same thing happened in lockdown 1. Doesnt take an 'expert' to spot the pattern
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27/11/2020 15:05:26 3 1
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Problem is when the stats say an are has low infection rates, all the covidiots in that area thinks their ok jack and ignores the rules

so the infection rate soars again
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27/11/2020 15:40:20 0 0
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Oh what is the pattern? The weather isn’t really conducive to a day out at the seaside so it can’t be due to tourism this time. Maybe the local have just got over complacent with their low infection rate.
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27/11/2020 14:57:17 7 14
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Unsubstantiated rubbish !
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27/11/2020 14:59:17 2 1
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Wake up David oates, do you work for the man?
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27/11/2020 14:59:24 12 1
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Given all the restrictions we have had to endure, you would blooming well hope it is below 1.....
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27/11/2020 14:57:01 15 18
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The longer they keep this going the more people will take the vaccine this is a game of minds and they are using every trick to ensure it happens, first dangle a carrot if we are good we can have Xmas , if the R rate comes down less restrictive measures but that is not true as we can see with 55 million people in what is effectively lockdown they are treating us like kids wake up.
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27/11/2020 14:59:26 9 1
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The R number has dropped bellow 1 for the first time since August

Now it STARTS to get safer

What pary of that dont you get in your paranoid "they're all out to get me world"?
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27/11/2020 14:58:01 57 30
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Makes total sense to keep us all locked up throughout December then....
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27/11/2020 14:59:27 115 38
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It would yes if people could be trusted then we wouldn't need such harsh measures. But they can't and this appeasement over christmas will only make things worse.
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27/11/2020 15:20:38 4 1
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Agree: we’re only inviting the yo-yo to keep going longer into 2021
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27/11/2020 16:02:07 2 0
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Then maybe the answer was to enforce the rules we already had rather than make up stricter new ones for more people to ignore. He has now lost the trust of the people. If they don’t trust him they won’t comply.
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kev
27/11/2020 16:15:41 2 1
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I imagine you are still getting paid then.
27/11/2020 20:12:42 0 1
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If the restrictions are so crucial to the virus being contained why aren't they being enforced? Police stopped handing out fines weeks ago. Ofcourse people aren't going to follow the rules if they can get away with it. We're all sick of being in lockdown and it doesn't appear to be working
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27/11/2020 14:56:58 56 52
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Destroying peoples lives for years to come to "protect" against a virus where 99.5% people recover / average age of death is 84.6 years
Makes zero sense and zero logic
We have not been told the truth since day one. Something else is going on
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27/11/2020 14:59:28 23 22
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I thought that . Surely those in charge can't be so thick as to make such s mess of the country but look at them, yes they are that thick.

Its pure and simple incompetency no more no less.
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GW
27/11/2020 15:08:51 1 5
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Incompetency absolutely, yet 4 people actually disagree shows what Tory voters are like
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27/11/2020 14:55:36 21 16
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Doublethink: Telling us the R is below one and expecting us to believe it's justifiable to put most of England in Tier 2 or 3.

Gets more ridiculous by the day.
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27/11/2020 14:59:38 1 1
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The chocolate ration has Increased
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27/11/2020 14:59:44 9 12
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Never in the field of human conflict have so many suffered to save so few
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27/11/2020 15:03:32 1 0
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Don't know about saved. More like a short stay of execution.
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27/11/2020 15:00:00 4 6
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So why is the North being punished yet again ?

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27/11/2020 15:02:25 3 1
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Not just the North , We in North Somerset have had pretty much the lowest rate since Match and have been put in tier 3 when everyone around is in Tier 2 with higher rates than us
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27/11/2020 15:03:17 1 0
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Kent and Medway are in Tier 3 also even though in Kent it's only two districts to the East that's affected and Kent is a huge county. It's to do with infection rates - not that I agree with the Tier system I'm just saying it's not exclusive to the North.
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27/11/2020 15:04:24 2 1
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because you don't follow common sense rules, simple really
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27/11/2020 15:04:51 0 0
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Never trust a Tory
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Under the leadership of Boris Johnson the UK has both the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide as well as by far the highest number of deaths from the Coronavirus of any EU nation

Yes the "R" number is slowly comming down but the reason the virus spread to such an extent in the 2nd wave is because Boris (again) tried to ignore scientific advice & locked down too late

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27/11/2020 15:00:09 2 5
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Can all the people in this country who believe in the efficacy of lockdown please sign their names on a national register. That way we'll know when to send the bill.
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27/11/2020 14:57:17 7 14
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Unsubstantiated rubbish !
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27/11/2020 15:00:10 3 1
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So give us your expertly collected stats to disprove this?
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27/11/2020 14:56:58 56 52
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Destroying peoples lives for years to come to "protect" against a virus where 99.5% people recover / average age of death is 84.6 years
Makes zero sense and zero logic
We have not been told the truth since day one. Something else is going on
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27/11/2020 15:00:14 5 10
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Yes its called using the virus as an excuse for when Brexit is the disaster it was always going to be
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JWS
27/11/2020 14:55:58 8 12
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Noone is listening to this drivel now. Just waiting for the next election to vote out anyone pushing lockdowns and virus restrictions.
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27/11/2020 15:00:20 0 2
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Does that include brexit hero Boris Johnson and Co.?
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27/11/2020 14:52:59 42 33
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Totally pointless as 5 days of Xmas will bring the R rate up to about 3 again
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adi
27/11/2020 15:00:33 5 4
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The R is a lot of bs in itself. If you have 1 infected which passes this to two others the R is 2, but if you have 1,000,000 passing this to 900,000 the R is 0.9. And on top all numbers used calculare it are estimates like the 4,000 deaths a day chart
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27/11/2020 15:05:03 4 1
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You sound particularly ill-informed - which is fine, not everyone is an epidemiologist, but why do you feel the need to voice your lack of understanding to others? R is very meaningful for handling any contagious disease, and yes, it is estimated but not from the number of infections, not the number of deaths.
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27/11/2020 15:24:27 0 0
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R is a meaningless measure. Based on 3 estimated variables, 2 (contacts per infected person and likelihood of passing on the virus) will fall during lockdown and one (length of infection) will remain constant, so the R rate can only reduce during lockdown. To drive down the R rate, its necessary to continually reduce either contacts or likelihood of infection (say by vaccination/herd immunity).
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27/11/2020 15:30:52 1 0
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Not quite. Try again.
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27/11/2020 15:00:37 1 5
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WRONG!??
R number is around 1.4 in WALES as announced today.
After Christmas there will be a terrifying 3rd SPIKE of COVID-19 cases in mid January 2021.
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27/11/2020 15:03:41 3 0
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You're a happy one aren't you?? Read the article, it says the UK is below 1 not wales
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27/11/2020 15:34:08 0 0
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I've said that all along just pomp rubbish
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27/11/2020 15:00:38 3 4
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Don't worry everyone, Boris and his cronies will be ok they will still be able to pop to the pub ... North South divide at its best!!!!!!
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27/11/2020 15:02:59 1 1
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Wasn't Johnson supposed to be levelling up?
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27/11/2020 15:04:28 1 0
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Unless he lives in one of the three places in tier 1 he's not. Pubs are shut everywhere
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27/11/2020 15:00:47 331 80
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The only way to reduce transmission of the virus is to remove or minimise direct or close contact between individuals.

Rather than wait for, and then complain about, government action the solution is in all our hands (provided it's anti-bacterial solution of course)

If we want to get this under control we all know what we need to do.
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27/11/2020 15:02:50 187 58
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Anti bacterial does not work on a virus
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27/11/2020 15:14:02 18 32
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Do you not understand the difference between a virus and bacteria?
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27/11/2020 15:33:20 6 13
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This is largely respiratory. Using loads of sanitiser isn't that effective if people like to sniff each others breaths.
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27/11/2020 15:53:20 16 5
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Many don't, or won't, or both. We've known for 4 years what a nation of thickies this is.
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27/11/2020 15:57:14 4 0
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Absolutely people should do what they can to distance (I've not come near to breaching guidance), but it's very hard financially for many people. Epidemiologists find people can't even afford to get a test when they should. Scandinavia has done relatively well because of the support the government gives.
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27/11/2020 16:00:47 2 5
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No it's irrelevant. A virus will run it's course virtually regardless of what you do. Only a vaccine will help in the short term.
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27/11/2020 16:08:53 3 8
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transmission of the virus that is benign to the vast majority , the government need to protect the vulnerable , not restrict the whole country and ruin the economy
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27/11/2020 16:11:42 1 8
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Most of us have and the prize ..... tier 3. The elephant in the room AGAIN is households mixing. I'm done with following the rules ,look where it's got us because people are afraid of not being PC.
27/11/2020 16:33:30 1 0
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"Rather than wait for, and then complain about, government action the solution is in all our hands"

Not if you have school age children it isn't.
Ian
27/11/2020 17:22:33 0 0
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You mean stop our kids going to school and then get fined or sent to prison for doing what's right?
27/11/2020 22:56:01 1 0
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You are so right.
27/11/2020 23:25:29 1 0
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Or we commit mass suicide since this country for the next 50 years is screwed.
28/11/2020 08:53:26 1 0
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Tell that to the front line public service workers who have no choice.
28/11/2020 12:52:11 0 0
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Amazon should start selling space suits, the only way to avoid the virus. Next the Covid Cultists will take that seriously and demand Space Suits to go out in public.
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27/11/2020 15:00:47 2 4
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So lets lock the country down! Fools.
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27/11/2020 14:55:36 21 16
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Doublethink: Telling us the R is below one and expecting us to believe it's justifiable to put most of England in Tier 2 or 3.

Gets more ridiculous by the day.
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27/11/2020 15:00:59 5 4
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You realise the TOTAL number of infections is still high and that this is the growth rate that has been lowered? Lowered precisely because of lockdown and other restrictions. Or is that beyond your ken?
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27/11/2020 15:07:06 3 4
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It's no higher now than it was before this current lockdown yet tougher controls are being imposed so what you're saying is irrelevant.

If it were a like for like tier system, fine. Fact is that it isn't and seemingly harder to justify.

Quite simple really, if Boris can justify it why hasn't he shown in black and white terms how it's justified. He hasn't because it isn't.
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What an absolute load of made up **** This **** needs to stop Removed
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27/11/2020 15:21:59 15 37
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Agreed. Does anyone really know how few people this disease is likely to affect. 80% no symptoms. 19+% minor symptoms. About 0.06% death, but probably only if they already have serious illness/comorbidities.

Why do you think survey shows 40% of GPs won't have the vaccine? Because they know the vaccine presents a bigger risk than Covid.
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27/11/2020 15:38:29 0 2
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it might be ****. but it's government approved ****, and **** that is broadcasted and supported by the state broadcaster.
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27/11/2020 15:54:03 2 3
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yep.. 10 times more deaths a day in Lockdown 1, yet twice as many cases a day in Lockdown 2 which has way more testing capacity. These figures simply prove that 20 times more people had it in Lockdown 1 than originally thought, probably without even realising, ......which then also proves it's nowhere near as deadly as the sensationalising media scaremongers make out