England venture into the not-so-wild West
27/11/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 872
Without the febrile atmosphere of the Principality Stadium, Wales go into Saturday's meeting hoping for, rather than believing in, victory.
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27/11/2020 23:52:24 6 2
bbc
Cannot see past an England win.
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27/11/2020 23:58:19 5 9
bbc
Never rule out Wales they are a wounded animal right now what better way to recover then to beat England.
1
27/11/2020 23:52:24 6 2
bbc
Cannot see past an England win.
2
27/11/2020 23:58:19 5 9
bbc
Never rule out Wales they are a wounded animal right now what better way to recover then to beat England.
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28/11/2020 00:10:21 3 4
bbc
True as the article points out!

They were very much underdogs in 99.
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28/11/2020 10:27:49 0 2
bbc
A better way for Wales to recover would have been putting up better shows against Ireland or Georgia.
Far too many Welsh fans would take those two abject performances as long as they win today.
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28/11/2020 00:00:01 4 4
bbc
England can shoot themselves in the foot and lose... but they won't.
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28/11/2020 00:07:06 5 1
bbc
England to bully Wales off the park. Close until the last 20mins or England will turn it on in the 1st half and forget to play in the 2nd.
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28/11/2020 00:08:36 14 3
bbc
Let's hope for a great game in this Covid world and hope we can all go back to watching matches with spectators in the stadiums next year. Cant Wait. Let's not underestimate the Welsh but cant see past an England win.
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28/11/2020 00:38:59 1 2
bbc
Corey
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GR
28/11/2020 00:09:31 18 11
bbc
More chance Maradona popping up to play one more time than Wales winning.

Cant believe we've got this bad so quickly.
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28/11/2020 00:19:58 9 53
bbc
Got to go with Wales win.

I feel England will finally get found out by an on the case referee and rightly punish England for their illegal scrummaging, offsides and high or no arms tackles.

We know England are fragile of mind ie v SA and France in big games.

AWJ to school Itoje.

It’s a no brainer.

Wales 34-13 England.
2
27/11/2020 23:58:19 5 9
bbc
Never rule out Wales they are a wounded animal right now what better way to recover then to beat England.
7
28/11/2020 00:10:21 3 4
bbc
True as the article points out!

They were very much underdogs in 99.
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GR
28/11/2020 00:09:31 18 11
bbc
More chance Maradona popping up to play one more time than Wales winning.

Cant believe we've got this bad so quickly.
8
28/11/2020 00:19:58 9 53
bbc
Got to go with Wales win.

I feel England will finally get found out by an on the case referee and rightly punish England for their illegal scrummaging, offsides and high or no arms tackles.

We know England are fragile of mind ie v SA and France in big games.

AWJ to school Itoje.

It’s a no brainer.

Wales 34-13 England.
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GR
28/11/2020 00:23:29 20 2
bbc
You are drunk sir...??
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28/11/2020 08:30:50 5 1
bbc
Only if AWJ is reffing.
146
28/11/2020 08:34:45 2 1
bbc
Obviously had a night on the sauce. I doubt the most diehard Welsh supporter is expecting miracles. But they are rebuilding, too many class players not available and if they compete and give us a good game, then progress will have been made. But I just can't see this England selection, with first choice players and their current form going down the pan today. But the great thing is you never know.
163
28/11/2020 09:04:40 2 1
bbc
this is a joke, right.
208
28/11/2020 09:34:11 4 1
bbc
You Sir, are a fool!
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28/11/2020 09:44:54 4 2
bbc
Why did you pick France - SA yes but France? At least try to stay off the mushrooms for a day or two (England’s last GS was won in Paris and their recent record against England is terrible)
291
28/11/2020 10:11:22 2 1
bbc
ha ha ha! Only one no brainer around here pal. What a joke!
426
28/11/2020 11:29:23 1 0
bbc
Even we welsh fans are stunned by thIs nonsense! To take one position, Lewis-Hughes is being touted as the best discovery of the season, but he’s not yet as good as underhill was as a young flanker at the ospreys
559
28/11/2020 12:57:46 1 0
bbc
Yes, quite obviously a "no brainer".
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28/11/2020 00:23:21 4 2
bbc
Everyone loves an underdog
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28/11/2020 02:05:47 10 7
bbc
Unless it is Welsh.....
360
28/11/2020 10:39:42 0 1
bbc
I don't..... Unless it's my team of course.
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28/11/2020 00:19:58 9 53
bbc
Got to go with Wales win.

I feel England will finally get found out by an on the case referee and rightly punish England for their illegal scrummaging, offsides and high or no arms tackles.

We know England are fragile of mind ie v SA and France in big games.

AWJ to school Itoje.

It’s a no brainer.

Wales 34-13 England.
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GR
28/11/2020 00:23:29 20 2
bbc
You are drunk sir...??
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28/11/2020 00:24:52 2 1
bbc
Its rugby anything is possible, England have along tradition of beating themselves no opposition required. Wales will lift them game past results are unreliable when predicting the outcome of this match. Wales could loose but its more about did they play with flair and honour? This game requires Wales to bring their plan B game today. The one gets win against the odds, today is the day of hero's
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28/11/2020 02:08:24 7 2
bbc
No Wales can't lose, but England could score more points.
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28/11/2020 00:25:08 5 1
bbc
I think it will be a case of watching from behind the sofa but l would love to be proved wrong.
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28/11/2020 00:30:11 4 16
bbc
AWJ to school Itoje.

Ref to ping England illegal scrummaging, offsides and high, no arms tackles.

England lose the big games all the time like 1999, loads of World Cup finals and Grand Slam deciders.

Too fragile of mind, Eddie’s a rugby coach not a psychology Svengali.

Daly useless and English pack lose it when given the run around.

Wales 34-13 England.
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28/11/2020 00:53:35 4 1
bbc
Eng lose all big games, like 1999 ? 21 years ago ! Even then it was a whisker ! They havent lost by much to Wales apart from 33-3 in 2013 when Wales had the best team in 30 years. I would think again buddy!
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28/11/2020 00:59:22 1 1
bbc
You should go and see a Dr or share some of your dugs with me.
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28/11/2020 02:36:24 6 2
bbc
Fragile by beating teams to get to world cup finals. How many world cup finals has your fragile team been to?
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28/11/2020 00:30:31 2 4
bbc
Everyone loves an underdog and you can here the barking from all over Wales and the love from all round the world.
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28/11/2020 00:37:33 8 2
bbc
That's just our women. They're really friendly when you get to know them.
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28/11/2020 00:36:09 21 4
bbc
Er...no, they can't. From a Welshman. On a totally different stage of the development curve to England. I still don't think England are the real deal, but they'll be too much for Wales.
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28/11/2020 11:25:16 9 4
bbc
On S4C by the way in case you want to watch. Just sign up for an account to watch. Nice of the BBC to INFORM us (not) of how we can watch.
Ken Owens, ex Wales hooker as a commentator, get that.
But "Catrin Heledd"? I do not get it.
I find it very sad that S4C journos feel obliged to translate their names into Welsh. "Catrin" is Catherine and "Heledd" translates to More, LOL. Catherine Moore. Sad.
14
28/11/2020 00:30:31 2 4
bbc
Everyone loves an underdog and you can here the barking from all over Wales and the love from all round the world.
16
28/11/2020 00:37:33 8 2
bbc
That's just our women. They're really friendly when you get to know them.
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28/11/2020 00:08:36 14 3
bbc
Let's hope for a great game in this Covid world and hope we can all go back to watching matches with spectators in the stadiums next year. Cant Wait. Let's not underestimate the Welsh but cant see past an England win.
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28/11/2020 00:38:59 1 2
bbc
Corey
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28/11/2020 00:43:47 2 8
bbc
Along with NZ, SA, Aus, Fra, and often Ire & Sco, England always struggle against Wales.
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28/11/2020 00:57:32 7 1
bbc
6 wins from 13 on your turf (you won 7) and 13 wins to 3 on ours since 2000!

and 1 win for us on neutral ground in-between :)
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28/11/2020 02:33:07 1 1
bbc
Struggle? Don't you mean compete. You're acting like England are entitled to win all games, which we are not. We are 15 men playing rugby like any other side. Sometimes we win sometimes we lose.
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28/11/2020 09:58:49 1 1
bbc
After today win, yes that's and arrogant point of view. Wales current record played 9 won 2. EJ era against Wales played 9 lost 2 getting close to a 80% win rate.
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28/11/2020 00:49:30 3 2
bbc
No. Next question? From an Irishman living in Wales.
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28/11/2020 01:03:30 6 5
bbc
Still miffed about last week?

From an Uzbekistani living in Suriname.
20
28/11/2020 00:52:56 6 2
bbc
If this was business as usual i.e. sell out millennium, whipped up crowd and team ram full of seasoned winners then Wales would have an outside chance, a punchers shot if you will.

In an empty and lifeless stadium, with a team packed with inexperienced rookies they are the proverbial lambs to the slaughter....at least the goat can rest easy! ??
43
28/11/2020 02:29:35 0 4
bbc
So you need an advantage to win. All this level and even then you can't do it.
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28/11/2020 03:49:40 0 1
bbc
Only if the roof was closed
13
28/11/2020 00:30:11 4 16
bbc
AWJ to school Itoje.

Ref to ping England illegal scrummaging, offsides and high, no arms tackles.

England lose the big games all the time like 1999, loads of World Cup finals and Grand Slam deciders.

Too fragile of mind, Eddie’s a rugby coach not a psychology Svengali.

Daly useless and English pack lose it when given the run around.

Wales 34-13 England.
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28/11/2020 00:53:35 4 1
bbc
Eng lose all big games, like 1999 ? 21 years ago ! Even then it was a whisker ! They havent lost by much to Wales apart from 33-3 in 2013 when Wales had the best team in 30 years. I would think again buddy!
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28/11/2020 01:05:34 1 1
bbc
6 wins from 13 on their turf (they won 7) and 13 wins to 3 on ours since 2000!

and 1 win for us on neutral ground in-between :)
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28/11/2020 00:55:52 2 6
bbc
Wales new soundtrack? Be Still My Beating Heart by Sting, cos we do not fear Wales or reckon them as anything in the grand scheme of things. The only scheming was we conquered you and you have ever played the victim in every rugby game since. It means more to you than us regardless of what Ben Young says.
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28/11/2020 04:17:13 2 1
bbc
Let it all out son.
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28/11/2020 09:34:05 0 1
bbc
Oh dear ... now where's teddy gone?
503
28/11/2020 12:16:35 0 0
bbc
Blimey. Do you want to lay down on the couch and get it all off your chest?
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28/11/2020 00:57:22 1 2
bbc
In answer to the question. No.
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28/11/2020 00:43:47 2 8
bbc
Along with NZ, SA, Aus, Fra, and often Ire & Sco, England always struggle against Wales.
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28/11/2020 00:57:32 7 1
bbc
6 wins from 13 on your turf (you won 7) and 13 wins to 3 on ours since 2000!

and 1 win for us on neutral ground in-between :)
13
28/11/2020 00:30:11 4 16
bbc
AWJ to school Itoje.

Ref to ping England illegal scrummaging, offsides and high, no arms tackles.

England lose the big games all the time like 1999, loads of World Cup finals and Grand Slam deciders.

Too fragile of mind, Eddie’s a rugby coach not a psychology Svengali.

Daly useless and English pack lose it when given the run around.

Wales 34-13 England.
25
28/11/2020 00:59:22 1 1
bbc
You should go and see a Dr or share some of your dugs with me.
19
28/11/2020 00:49:30 3 2
bbc
No. Next question? From an Irishman living in Wales.
26
28/11/2020 01:03:30 6 5
bbc
Still miffed about last week?

From an Uzbekistani living in Suriname.
21
28/11/2020 00:53:35 4 1
bbc
Eng lose all big games, like 1999 ? 21 years ago ! Even then it was a whisker ! They havent lost by much to Wales apart from 33-3 in 2013 when Wales had the best team in 30 years. I would think again buddy!
27
28/11/2020 01:05:34 1 1
bbc
6 wins from 13 on their turf (they won 7) and 13 wins to 3 on ours since 2000!

and 1 win for us on neutral ground in-between :)
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28/11/2020 01:30:35 0 5
bbc
But the big game was WC15 and Wales won it.

England always choke. Look v SA
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28/11/2020 01:11:43 2 11
bbc
Glad to see England only have to turn to win - like in 2013 and the WC final last year.
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28/11/2020 01:20:18 3 6
bbc
Don’t forget HQ WC15, they proper acted like fancy Dans for the couple of years leading up to that game too.

(Numerous articles about Eng v Aus being the group decider).
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28/11/2020 02:28:16 8 3
bbc
You'll never experience the feeling of a WC final. We've been in 4. Won 1. Weep my child, weep.
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28/11/2020 05:22:39 4 2
bbc
Grapes never seem to ripen in the principality.
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28/11/2020 01:17:08 2 19
bbc
Wales to win.

The ref today is a stickler for offsides, not binding, in at the side, not releasing etc, essentially England’s modus operandi.

They’ll give too many pens away and Wales can convert from anywhere.

Rumours of AWJs demise are exaggerated, he’ll boss Itoje like teaching a baby how to walk.

Ford will get bashed by Botham who will think he’s been hit over the nut by Botham Snrs bat.
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28/11/2020 02:18:44 12 3
bbc
I think we may see AWJ's demise today.
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28/11/2020 02:26:13 3 1
bbc
Arrogance.
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28/11/2020 05:20:51 3 1
bbc
"They’ll give too many pens away and Wales can convert from anywhere."
...Their own 22 ?
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28/11/2020 01:11:43 2 11
bbc
Glad to see England only have to turn to win - like in 2013 and the WC final last year.
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28/11/2020 01:20:18 3 6
bbc
Don’t forget HQ WC15, they proper acted like fancy Dans for the couple of years leading up to that game too.

(Numerous articles about Eng v Aus being the group decider).
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28/11/2020 01:26:43 4 19
bbc
Wish it was Scotland v England tomorrow, we’d give them a right battle.

Scotland, the form side in world rugby and biggest climbers in the rankings.

Hoots mon!
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DFP
28/11/2020 01:58:11 11 1
bbc
????????????
39
28/11/2020 02:24:24 3 1
bbc
France schooled you last game because this time they had 15 men.
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28/11/2020 06:43:13 0 2
bbc
Despite Scotland’s recent good form, it won’t be in the final and will no doubt return to its customary 5th place in the 6N for 2021. Had fete been kinder, Fiji would have beaten Scotland and recent wins against a poor Wales side and 2nd tier Georgia/Italy gives context to Scotland’s recent form. Being the best of a bad bunch is the best Scotland can hope for.
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28/11/2020 09:27:43 0 1
bbc
I’m not sure we are the form side, given we lost our last game.
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28/11/2020 01:05:34 1 1
bbc
6 wins from 13 on their turf (they won 7) and 13 wins to 3 on ours since 2000!

and 1 win for us on neutral ground in-between :)
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28/11/2020 01:30:35 0 5
bbc
But the big game was WC15 and Wales won it.

England always choke. Look v SA
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28/11/2020 08:13:56 2 1
bbc
Never sure what the difference between 'choking' and 'losing' is. Did Wales choke in the WC semi-final against South Africa or did they just lose?
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28/11/2020 01:36:27 1 2
bbc
England will suck all the oxygen out of the air and there's probably not much Wales can do about that. Its not the type of rugby that will encourage new watchers of the game. Its a winning style currently until some team finds a new successful attacking style; some of the rules are changed, or like the W Cup final last year they meet a team who are not dominated by brutal force.
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28/11/2020 01:45:52 45 5
bbc
Oh dear either OTS been on the sauce or his alter ego has decided to come out to play.
Tragic attempts at trolling.
I don't think even the most one eyed Welshman really thinks that AWJ will school Itoje.
Wales might win, definitely possible. England though are favourites and deservedly so on current form.
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28/11/2020 02:30:48 13 5
bbc
It's not me. The only thing everyone can do is report him and ask for him to have a permanent ban.
If he doesn't stop it then I put his real name and his email address on every HYS forum going forward
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28/11/2020 01:26:43 4 19
bbc
Wish it was Scotland v England tomorrow, we’d give them a right battle.

Scotland, the form side in world rugby and biggest climbers in the rankings.

Hoots mon!
35
DFP
28/11/2020 01:58:11 11 1
bbc
????????????
9
28/11/2020 00:23:21 4 2
bbc
Everyone loves an underdog
36
28/11/2020 02:05:47 10 7
bbc
Unless it is Welsh.....
11
28/11/2020 00:24:52 2 1
bbc
Its rugby anything is possible, England have along tradition of beating themselves no opposition required. Wales will lift them game past results are unreliable when predicting the outcome of this match. Wales could loose but its more about did they play with flair and honour? This game requires Wales to bring their plan B game today. The one gets win against the odds, today is the day of hero's
37
28/11/2020 02:08:24 7 2
bbc
No Wales can't lose, but England could score more points.
29
28/11/2020 01:17:08 2 19
bbc
Wales to win.

The ref today is a stickler for offsides, not binding, in at the side, not releasing etc, essentially England’s modus operandi.

They’ll give too many pens away and Wales can convert from anywhere.

Rumours of AWJs demise are exaggerated, he’ll boss Itoje like teaching a baby how to walk.

Ford will get bashed by Botham who will think he’s been hit over the nut by Botham Snrs bat.
38
28/11/2020 02:18:44 12 3
bbc
I think we may see AWJ's demise today.
31
28/11/2020 01:26:43 4 19
bbc
Wish it was Scotland v England tomorrow, we’d give them a right battle.

Scotland, the form side in world rugby and biggest climbers in the rankings.

Hoots mon!
39
28/11/2020 02:24:24 3 1
bbc
France schooled you last game because this time they had 15 men.
29
28/11/2020 01:17:08 2 19
bbc
Wales to win.

The ref today is a stickler for offsides, not binding, in at the side, not releasing etc, essentially England’s modus operandi.

They’ll give too many pens away and Wales can convert from anywhere.

Rumours of AWJs demise are exaggerated, he’ll boss Itoje like teaching a baby how to walk.

Ford will get bashed by Botham who will think he’s been hit over the nut by Botham Snrs bat.
40
28/11/2020 02:26:13 3 1
bbc
Arrogance.
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28/11/2020 02:28:01 5 5
bbc
England will overpower and out think Wales. Wales are boxing above their weight and despite the hype will be swamped
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28/11/2020 04:16:17 3 1
bbc
Wales are likely to find it tough but I don't think there is any hype of a Wales victory.
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28/11/2020 01:11:43 2 11
bbc
Glad to see England only have to turn to win - like in 2013 and the WC final last year.
42
28/11/2020 02:28:16 8 3
bbc
You'll never experience the feeling of a WC final. We've been in 4. Won 1. Weep my child, weep.
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28/11/2020 05:02:12 4 2
bbc
That's a poor win ratio
20
28/11/2020 00:52:56 6 2
bbc
If this was business as usual i.e. sell out millennium, whipped up crowd and team ram full of seasoned winners then Wales would have an outside chance, a punchers shot if you will.

In an empty and lifeless stadium, with a team packed with inexperienced rookies they are the proverbial lambs to the slaughter....at least the goat can rest easy! ??
43
28/11/2020 02:29:35 0 4
bbc
So you need an advantage to win. All this level and even then you can't do it.
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28/11/2020 04:22:24 1 1
bbc
Have you seen our recent results? It's not about needing advantages. We need a miracle. But you know that. And I don't think recent wins v Eng have been about Wal having an advantage other than in coaching, conditioning and mentality. We're in flux at the mo with little of those three attributes on show. But for all that, we've still got a sporting chance, although I expect a drubbing.
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28/11/2020 01:45:52 45 5
bbc
Oh dear either OTS been on the sauce or his alter ego has decided to come out to play.
Tragic attempts at trolling.
I don't think even the most one eyed Welshman really thinks that AWJ will school Itoje.
Wales might win, definitely possible. England though are favourites and deservedly so on current form.
44
28/11/2020 02:30:48 13 5
bbc
It's not me. The only thing everyone can do is report him and ask for him to have a permanent ban.
If he doesn't stop it then I put his real name and his email address on every HYS forum going forward
18
28/11/2020 00:43:47 2 8
bbc
Along with NZ, SA, Aus, Fra, and often Ire & Sco, England always struggle against Wales.
45
28/11/2020 02:33:07 1 1
bbc
Struggle? Don't you mean compete. You're acting like England are entitled to win all games, which we are not. We are 15 men playing rugby like any other side. Sometimes we win sometimes we lose.
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28/11/2020 04:27:26 5 2
bbc
You win a lot tbf. And with the player base - as well as the money - your country and the Prem have, that should be a given. How Gats managed to string together 4 championships with our crappy regions is beyond me, but he did. He kept us competitive with England and Ireland. Whether we get back there under this coaching set up remains to be seen but it feels like it's a long way away right now.
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28/11/2020 00:30:11 4 16
bbc
AWJ to school Itoje.

Ref to ping England illegal scrummaging, offsides and high, no arms tackles.

England lose the big games all the time like 1999, loads of World Cup finals and Grand Slam deciders.

Too fragile of mind, Eddie’s a rugby coach not a psychology Svengali.

Daly useless and English pack lose it when given the run around.

Wales 34-13 England.
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28/11/2020 02:36:24 6 2
bbc
Fragile by beating teams to get to world cup finals. How many world cup finals has your fragile team been to?
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28/11/2020 00:52:56 6 2
bbc
If this was business as usual i.e. sell out millennium, whipped up crowd and team ram full of seasoned winners then Wales would have an outside chance, a punchers shot if you will.

In an empty and lifeless stadium, with a team packed with inexperienced rookies they are the proverbial lambs to the slaughter....at least the goat can rest easy! ??
47
28/11/2020 03:49:40 0 1
bbc
Only if the roof was closed
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28/11/2020 04:12:11 1 1
bbc
It's said England and Wales are on different points of the curve. Eddie is still fixing the the problem that lost him the World cup so England have forward dominance, are hard to break through but not scoring heavily. Wales talking their chances down and probably happy to stay within a couple of scores. Could be everybody happy but not pretty to watch.
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28/11/2020 02:28:01 5 5
bbc
England will overpower and out think Wales. Wales are boxing above their weight and despite the hype will be swamped
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28/11/2020 04:16:17 3 1
bbc
Wales are likely to find it tough but I don't think there is any hype of a Wales victory.
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28/11/2020 00:55:52 2 6
bbc
Wales new soundtrack? Be Still My Beating Heart by Sting, cos we do not fear Wales or reckon them as anything in the grand scheme of things. The only scheming was we conquered you and you have ever played the victim in every rugby game since. It means more to you than us regardless of what Ben Young says.
50
28/11/2020 04:17:13 2 1
bbc
Let it all out son.
43
28/11/2020 02:29:35 0 4
bbc
So you need an advantage to win. All this level and even then you can't do it.
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28/11/2020 04:22:24 1 1
bbc
Have you seen our recent results? It's not about needing advantages. We need a miracle. But you know that. And I don't think recent wins v Eng have been about Wal having an advantage other than in coaching, conditioning and mentality. We're in flux at the mo with little of those three attributes on show. But for all that, we've still got a sporting chance, although I expect a drubbing.
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28/11/2020 02:33:07 1 1
bbc
Struggle? Don't you mean compete. You're acting like England are entitled to win all games, which we are not. We are 15 men playing rugby like any other side. Sometimes we win sometimes we lose.
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28/11/2020 04:27:26 5 2
bbc
You win a lot tbf. And with the player base - as well as the money - your country and the Prem have, that should be a given. How Gats managed to string together 4 championships with our crappy regions is beyond me, but he did. He kept us competitive with England and Ireland. Whether we get back there under this coaching set up remains to be seen but it feels like it's a long way away right now.
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28/11/2020 09:42:53 2 1
bbc
A player base that Wales poach players from fairly regularly.
Just, destroy Wales today, +15-20 points and I will be a happy man...

SLSC
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28/11/2020 08:27:35 5 6
bbc
I’m surprised the BBC are allowing SLSC (which is a reference to swing low sweet chariot) as it referees to American slavery. I’m sure in times of Black Lives Matter, and the fact that everyone is born equal, that individuals and organisations refer to and support racism.
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28/11/2020 02:28:16 8 3
bbc
You'll never experience the feeling of a WC final. We've been in 4. Won 1. Weep my child, weep.
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28/11/2020 05:02:12 4 2
bbc
That's a poor win ratio
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28/11/2020 09:40:41 1 1
bbc
In fairness to England, it’s a better win ratio than any other NH team.
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28/11/2020 05:07:09 8 2
bbc
On paper, England should win. But on a field, in Wales. Who knows?
405
28/11/2020 11:10:37 3 2
bbc
I think most of us do
56
28/11/2020 05:19:09 36 9
bbc
A typical BBC biased article, a thinly veiled attempt at goading English fans by resurrecting past defeats often going back to days when England met on Friday nights before Saturday kick offs. The truth is now Eddie's preparations are much more rigorous and make sure any team wishing to beat us must be at their very best. Of course we can lose, but it will take a monumental effort to beat us.
153
28/11/2020 08:52:12 39 1
bbc
As a famous coach once said, "win or lose respect your opposition, because without an opponent, there is no game."
The best team (on the day) will win.
May the best team win.
29
28/11/2020 01:17:08 2 19
bbc
Wales to win.

The ref today is a stickler for offsides, not binding, in at the side, not releasing etc, essentially England’s modus operandi.

They’ll give too many pens away and Wales can convert from anywhere.

Rumours of AWJs demise are exaggerated, he’ll boss Itoje like teaching a baby how to walk.

Ford will get bashed by Botham who will think he’s been hit over the nut by Botham Snrs bat.
57
28/11/2020 05:20:51 3 1
bbc
"They’ll give too many pens away and Wales can convert from anywhere."
...Their own 22 ?
28
28/11/2020 01:11:43 2 11
bbc
Glad to see England only have to turn to win - like in 2013 and the WC final last year.
58
28/11/2020 05:22:39 4 2
bbc
Grapes never seem to ripen in the principality.
59
28/11/2020 05:24:41 3 2
bbc
How did 2 English centres end up playing for Wales, with one playing for England last year?!

Looking forward to a great game. Shame not in Cardiff and shame none of us will be there. Maybe next time ??
134
28/11/2020 08:14:42 1 2
bbc
Both have Welsh blood
60
28/11/2020 05:25:29 4 4
bbc
Giants V Minnows

Not sure it's even a contest.
67
28/11/2020 06:13:58 10 3
bbc
A bit harsh, calling England minnows?
61
28/11/2020 05:27:42 2 1
bbc
My heart tells me its not played on paper, it's not impossible, my rugby head though, tells me its highly improbable
62
28/11/2020 05:36:27 99 6
bbc
The media continues to try and create a 'mis-match' story. Rubbish reporting and unnecessary clickbait.

As a neutral, I'm sure England will win. Wales are rebuilding and missing many top quality players, which they can ill afford against this brutally effective English team. But it won't be a massacre so please stop this nonsense and do a proper job for true rugby fans.
108
28/11/2020 07:57:31 62 5
bbc
Well said. In this area BBC is trite and asinine. No serious analysis of the two teams, just a load of claptrap about coaches and outright bigotry.
111
28/11/2020 07:58:53 2 3
bbc
Won't be a massacre...no, may be not. But it could be...and that's all the "experts" need to speculate and then write nonsense.
Having said that, I have a feeling that this time they might be correct.
253
28/11/2020 09:57:38 1 25
bbc
It appears you're only saying that so that when England win you can say it was an even contest and therefore take more from the victory than is actually there. Wales without Gatland and Edwards are useless right now, and with all England's resources and population they should be winning anyway, let alone on this occasion with Wales all at sea and rudderless.
348
28/11/2020 10:34:27 12 1
bbc
Well said mate. Setting Eng up to fail. They love it. It's 23 v 23 so no foregone conclusions.
63
28/11/2020 05:39:33 35 2
bbc
I think this hys was put up especially for the late night drunks. Click bait
109
28/11/2020 07:57:40 17 1
bbc
A few seem to be morning drinkers
126
28/11/2020 08:10:25 6 1
bbc
It made perfect sense to me last night (after several beers), but reading it this morning, it is just a pile of dung!
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
66
28/11/2020 06:11:26 10 23
bbc
Nice, well put
69
28/11/2020 06:36:01 30 6
bbc
By this logic China and India should be the greatest at any sport. The USAs Soccer and Rugby teams would be very strong aswell.
72
28/11/2020 06:41:18 20 2
bbc
Yup, the bottom line is that it 23 v 23. If playing population was the decisive factor, the All Blacks would not be the most successful sports team of all time and Soccer should probably be dominated by China and USA. I don't think a Wales win today would be quite the shock the punditry would have you believe.
74
28/11/2020 06:57:05 20 4
bbc
Talents are honed and created in the early years.

Welsh rugby played and taught in schools daily from age 5. English age grade rugby played once per week in clubs until age 16.

Rugby as the National sport like in NZ has a huge amount to do with relative success in view of population.
79
28/11/2020 07:14:22 19 1
bbc
Nice stats however however sport is not that simplsitic & has little to do with popualtion sizes, just look at New Zealand!
Not many in England ever write of Wales. Given it is your main national sport most are aware of how good & passionate Wales can be on any given day. As for 'English hubris' (a less than subtle insult), if anything the English rubgy union team too often lacks confidence!
81
28/11/2020 07:18:39 7 1
bbc
population of New Zealand 4.8M.
82
28/11/2020 07:18:54 14 3
bbc
I love these games. Your last statistic is very relevant. It comes from your best 15 v ours. Same rules. Our RUGBY culture v yours. Nothing else.

So many great matches in history.

So let's cut out all the nonsense about hubris (at least you didn't say arrogant- so boring) and just enjoy a brilliant rivalry.
90
28/11/2020 07:36:01 8 9
bbc
Yes, but how many Welsh world cup finals? Or world champions at.......anything....ever?
93
28/11/2020 07:38:57 15 6
bbc
How many times has Wales beaten the tiny nation of NZ and when was the last time?
How many tiny rugby nations like Western Somoa, Fiji, Italy have beaten Wales?
Since its inaugural competition how many times has Wales reached the RWC final?
94
JM
28/11/2020 07:39:32 14 1
bbc
Welsh population 3 million, New Zealand 4 million, New Zealand have won every test for 67 years and 32/35. Populations and stats don't mean everything!
96
28/11/2020 07:46:21 8 2
bbc
On the basis of population size New Zealand would hardly win a game! Please, it’s about so much more than that!
106
28/11/2020 07:56:41 2 6
bbc
England's population is 68m - get your facts right.
115
28/11/2020 08:01:42 3 2
bbc
Hwyl not hywl - and Wales don’t see to have any at the moment, but you never know!
167
28/11/2020 09:09:29 0 1
bbc
Not this again!
201
28/11/2020 09:30:42 2 1
bbc
Wow so WRFU gets almost half the money for a 6th of the number of registered players. With all that dosh sloshing around they should be much better!
213
28/11/2020 09:38:48 0 1
bbc
Are you counting all the Welsh’ players in the GP? Many of these font even know they have ‘qualification’ yet! Presumably you centre partnership is included in your English registered player pool stat? Francis? Bigger?

At least wait until after the game to make excuses
269
28/11/2020 10:03:51 1 1
bbc
Where does your WRFU income figure come from, it seem rather high if your figure for the RFU is correct?
288
28/11/2020 10:10:39 1 1
bbc
As a neutral just throwing my two cents worth in, going by your figures a bigger percentage of the Welsh population are senior male rugby players.
315
28/11/2020 10:19:32 1 2
bbc
You’re forgetting that you seem to have the whole of England to choose from as well given the nationality of many in your team.
362
28/11/2020 10:41:18 2 1
bbc
And probably the reason why Wales has to pick so many England youth players. It's a shame to see a proud rugby principality having to watch journeymen pull on the red shirt.
409
28/11/2020 11:12:21 2 0
bbc
Yes China and India should always win the Football World Cup. As it is down to population. Though according to WalesOnline a 1/3 of the Welsh squad are normally born in Eng so that messes things up a bit. North of England prefer league so that reduces the number. Eng tends to prefer football etc. Rugby is also an emotional game too which is why Wales are crap away but good at home.
410
28/11/2020 11:12:40 1 0
bbc
Buried in your stats is a tragic one.
Senior Male Players Registered

Wales 22408
1980's the recorded average was 79,800......
419
28/11/2020 11:21:01 0 0
bbc
Always England seems to be populated by Welsh grandmothers when it comes to qualification. Not sure if you can adjust the figures for this? In fact it seems most of my friends in London has a Welsh grandparent though only mention it 3 times in that last 10 matches. The other 7 times they had 3 English grandparents.
421
CPG
28/11/2020 11:21:30 1 0
bbc
It’s a game of rugby, so just try and stow your hate and petty nationalism.
435
28/11/2020 11:35:56 1 0
bbc
You are absolutely correct which is why the USA is the best rugby nation in the world. You do know there are only 15 players on the pitch at any one time don't you? It's a tiresome argument since it actually has no correlation at all. NZ, Scotland, Ireland Aus Argentina, Japan. You either are looking to antagonise of are just ignorant. It's a game try to enjoy it.
444
28/11/2020 11:40:35 1 0
bbc
Always nice to have something to fall back on in defeat, no matter how tenuous. Chuck in the arrogance thing and you're on a winner - apparently.
561
28/11/2020 13:00:24 0 0
bbc
How about doing a comparison between Wales and New Zealand using the same stats above. Just saying...
592
28/11/2020 13:20:37 0 0
bbc
Last time I checked it was 15 v 15 on a RU pitch, so I’m not too sure how the population stats are meant to prove anything. International selectors just have to find a squad of say 30 players from the registered player population, whether it’s 130k or 20k. Population of NZ is about 5 million, comparable to Wales, but NZ always beat Wales. Stats can be used to justify almost anything.
65
28/11/2020 06:10:17 5 1
bbc
Presently, Wales look tired, off the pace & lack resilience & inventive nous

If we don't reach the breakdown speedily to successfully protect the ball, then turnovers will happen; Eng. in our 20'll be difficult to stop

Insanity's doing the same thing repeatedly & expecting a different result, tactics & choices in play are crucial, we've had a poor run lately

Nevertheless, have a good game Wales
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
66
28/11/2020 06:11:26 10 23
bbc
Nice, well put
60
28/11/2020 05:25:29 4 4
bbc
Giants V Minnows

Not sure it's even a contest.
67
28/11/2020 06:13:58 10 3
bbc
A bit harsh, calling England minnows?
68
28/11/2020 06:34:10 9 9
bbc
Funny how the Welsh view England as their cup final , while the English view Wales as just another game.

That's small team Vs big team mentality for you.
78
28/11/2020 07:14:18 5 5
bbc
or maybe its small country v big country +
85
28/11/2020 07:26:47 3 3
bbc
England 39 titles, Wales 39 titles. England 12 grand slams, Wales 11.
3 matches in World Cups - Wales 2 wins, England 1.
Learn some history and respect for your opponent and you'll see it's never just another game for England against Wales.
There's rivalry on both sides.
Wales' record is not that of a "small team".
A small country, yes, but we usually punch above our weight when it comes to sport.
87
28/11/2020 07:29:43 1 2
bbc
10 out of 10 on the Smugometer scale
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
69
28/11/2020 06:36:01 30 6
bbc
By this logic China and India should be the greatest at any sport. The USAs Soccer and Rugby teams would be very strong aswell.
107
28/11/2020 07:56:54 3 2
bbc
They dont have and never will have much interest in RU
Same could be said about baseball and American football in this country not much interest
246
28/11/2020 09:56:02 0 1
bbc
Participation
70
28/11/2020 06:36:30 0 2
bbc
I never, ever expect Wales to beat England simply due to the facts as stated by Peter Robinson below. And this game is no different except we are playing decidedly average rugby. England by 15 to 20 points I think.
71
28/11/2020 06:40:52 12 4
bbc
Wales getting back to the bad old days where a defeat of England will be used to paper the cracks over the Welsh teams poor recent form.
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
72
28/11/2020 06:41:18 20 2
bbc
Yup, the bottom line is that it 23 v 23. If playing population was the decisive factor, the All Blacks would not be the most successful sports team of all time and Soccer should probably be dominated by China and USA. I don't think a Wales win today would be quite the shock the punditry would have you believe.
31
28/11/2020 01:26:43 4 19
bbc
Wish it was Scotland v England tomorrow, we’d give them a right battle.

Scotland, the form side in world rugby and biggest climbers in the rankings.

Hoots mon!
73
28/11/2020 06:43:13 0 2
bbc
Despite Scotland’s recent good form, it won’t be in the final and will no doubt return to its customary 5th place in the 6N for 2021. Had fete been kinder, Fiji would have beaten Scotland and recent wins against a poor Wales side and 2nd tier Georgia/Italy gives context to Scotland’s recent form. Being the best of a bad bunch is the best Scotland can hope for.
198
28/11/2020 09:28:18 1 1
bbc
5th place is now reserved for Wales.
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
74
28/11/2020 06:57:05 20 4
bbc
Talents are honed and created in the early years.

Welsh rugby played and taught in schools daily from age 5. English age grade rugby played once per week in clubs until age 16.

Rugby as the National sport like in NZ has a huge amount to do with relative success in view of population.
76
28/11/2020 07:11:51 11 5
bbc
Welsh rugby played and taught in schools daily from age 5.
----
Lol, that's just not true.
We played rugby for the school once a week(autumn, winter and spring, we practiced once per week.
Exactly the same as the English.
Same for kids these days.
Who gives you your information :D
80
28/11/2020 07:18:29 8 4
bbc
'Talents are honed and created in the early years'..... totally agree Billy and Mako Vunipola a fine example
75
28/11/2020 07:04:58 21 1
bbc
"With sympathy like that who needs animosity" Typical one eyed reporting. No mention of EJ stating that given time WP will do a good job.
Motivation is a big factor for both teams not just Wales as England players will be up for this game, why wouldn't they it's always been a big fixture on the rugby calendar. I expect a tough match for both teams and hope that England win not expect.
84
28/11/2020 07:26:46 6 19
bbc
Agreed. Eddie was very fair. He seems to be calming down a little ? Wales by 2.
92
28/11/2020 07:38:48 5 5
bbc
A pretty poor preview, full of cliches, and inaccuracies
We're a long way from the 90's when we did well to stay within 20 points of England.
"As long as we beat the English" is a cliche that only applies to the fair-weather fans. The "cup final" for me has always been against New Zealand. If the reporter wants to talk about being underdogs then that's the match where it's always the case.
308
28/11/2020 10:16:28 3 2
bbc
Agree. Eddie has been fair and supportive in the lead up to this one.
74
28/11/2020 06:57:05 20 4
bbc
Talents are honed and created in the early years.

Welsh rugby played and taught in schools daily from age 5. English age grade rugby played once per week in clubs until age 16.

Rugby as the National sport like in NZ has a huge amount to do with relative success in view of population.
76
28/11/2020 07:11:51 11 5
bbc
Welsh rugby played and taught in schools daily from age 5.
----
Lol, that's just not true.
We played rugby for the school once a week(autumn, winter and spring, we practiced once per week.
Exactly the same as the English.
Same for kids these days.
Who gives you your information :D
114
28/11/2020 08:01:27 2 2
bbc
Happy to be corrected. Info from sensible conversations with Welsh PE teaching friends who who’ve taught both sides of the border.

Your school perhaps an exception.

Would seem reasonable to assume the national sport is taught more often in PE lessons than other sports.
317
28/11/2020 10:20:22 3 1
bbc
Incorrect. I grew up in Newcastle. Never touched a rugby ball until comp & then it was the basics of the game. We alternated between that & football over the winter before moving onto cricket/football when the weather improved. The school didn't have a rugby team. Only the 'posh' schools did. I'd imagine much of England is the same, but I won't make assumptions, they can make you look a bit daft.
77
28/11/2020 07:13:46 5 10
bbc
Who cares it's a nothing match
68
28/11/2020 06:34:10 9 9
bbc
Funny how the Welsh view England as their cup final , while the English view Wales as just another game.

That's small team Vs big team mentality for you.
78
28/11/2020 07:14:18 5 5
bbc
or maybe its small country v big country +
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
79
28/11/2020 07:14:22 19 1
bbc
Nice stats however however sport is not that simplsitic & has little to do with popualtion sizes, just look at New Zealand!
Not many in England ever write of Wales. Given it is your main national sport most are aware of how good & passionate Wales can be on any given day. As for 'English hubris' (a less than subtle insult), if anything the English rubgy union team too often lacks confidence!
117
28/11/2020 08:02:56 0 3
bbc
More people play soccer in Wales than rugby and that is a fact. There is a lot of support for rugby in Wales as we have been better at it over the years. Sadly the fact that there is not the money in Wales has and is still limiting development.
74
28/11/2020 06:57:05 20 4
bbc
Talents are honed and created in the early years.

Welsh rugby played and taught in schools daily from age 5. English age grade rugby played once per week in clubs until age 16.

Rugby as the National sport like in NZ has a huge amount to do with relative success in view of population.
80
28/11/2020 07:18:29 8 4
bbc
'Talents are honed and created in the early years'..... totally agree Billy and Mako Vunipola a fine example
120
28/11/2020 08:04:59 3 3
bbc
Except they were schooled in England!
319
28/11/2020 10:21:06 1 1
bbc
As are Francis, Ball, Rowlands, Tompkins, Jonny Williams etc etc.
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
81
28/11/2020 07:18:39 7 1
bbc
population of New Zealand 4.8M.
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
82
28/11/2020 07:18:54 14 3
bbc
I love these games. Your last statistic is very relevant. It comes from your best 15 v ours. Same rules. Our RUGBY culture v yours. Nothing else.

So many great matches in history.

So let's cut out all the nonsense about hubris (at least you didn't say arrogant- so boring) and just enjoy a brilliant rivalry.
83
28/11/2020 07:26:29 7 3
bbc
Like the choice of Ford at 10 & Slade at OC.
Despite their recent run, Wales are still a very useful side. Could be a cracker.
104
28/11/2020 07:54:38 4 1
bbc
Nice to see a fair minded comment from someone who doesn't seem to be drunk this morning, despite your username :-)
We were promised a more adventurous Wales under Pivac, but that certainly hasn't materialized yet.
If Wales can find some attacking flair then it could indeed be a cracker.
It's more likely to be a slog with the Welsh pack trying to deal with England drives.
75
28/11/2020 07:04:58 21 1
bbc
"With sympathy like that who needs animosity" Typical one eyed reporting. No mention of EJ stating that given time WP will do a good job.
Motivation is a big factor for both teams not just Wales as England players will be up for this game, why wouldn't they it's always been a big fixture on the rugby calendar. I expect a tough match for both teams and hope that England win not expect.
84
28/11/2020 07:26:46 6 19
bbc
Agreed. Eddie was very fair. He seems to be calming down a little ? Wales by 2.
68
28/11/2020 06:34:10 9 9
bbc
Funny how the Welsh view England as their cup final , while the English view Wales as just another game.

That's small team Vs big team mentality for you.
85
28/11/2020 07:26:47 3 3
bbc
England 39 titles, Wales 39 titles. England 12 grand slams, Wales 11.
3 matches in World Cups - Wales 2 wins, England 1.
Learn some history and respect for your opponent and you'll see it's never just another game for England against Wales.
There's rivalry on both sides.
Wales' record is not that of a "small team".
A small country, yes, but we usually punch above our weight when it comes to sport.
165
28/11/2020 09:08:32 0 2
bbc
That’s cos your best players are developed by other unions.
86
28/11/2020 07:27:50 2 5
bbc
Its a game both sides need as a reality check. Is it a slog fest an open expansive high scoring thriller and who looks the hungrier. Who has the best 23.
Will a win be satisfying. I am hoping the answers are rewarding to watch.
England win in Wales yep take that. A good win cherry on top.
Epic win , Hallajuah sweet chariot.
68
28/11/2020 06:34:10 9 9
bbc
Funny how the Welsh view England as their cup final , while the English view Wales as just another game.

That's small team Vs big team mentality for you.
87
28/11/2020 07:29:43 1 2
bbc
10 out of 10 on the Smugometer scale
88
28/11/2020 07:34:17 1 8
bbc
As a proud Welshman I can tell you that our domination over England in rugby for the past 50 years gives immense satisfaction. However, I suppose if I was neutral seeing the two great rugby nations, NZ and Wales struggling would give me hope that the future would be less about Wales/NZ and honours more evenly distributed. But when the dragon roars no one can compete. Watch out England! CYMRU!
91
28/11/2020 07:37:28 17 6
bbc
As a proud Englishman our domination over Wales for 2,000 years gives immense satisfaction.
97
28/11/2020 07:46:51 6 1
bbc
World Cup finals. England 4 Wales 0.
100
28/11/2020 07:49:33 4 1
bbc
What a stupid comment, I am a proud Welshman but all you are doing is stirring the pot and reacting to a silly article
101
28/11/2020 07:49:47 2 1
bbc
Er, fact check coming ...we have more victories, more tries and more points scored.
105
28/11/2020 07:55:22 2 1
bbc
I agree, it’s a good thing. Nobody got a look in at World Cup finals with Wales and NZ monopolising the trophy
138
28/11/2020 08:21:56 3 1
bbc
??- last 5 years alone it’s 11-3 to England.
391
28/11/2020 11:00:46 0 0
bbc
Domination isn't being the fourth best 6 nations team. Based on the finishing positions of all 6 nations championships Wales lie 4th behind England, Ireland and France in that order.
89
28/11/2020 07:35:00 5 2
bbc
More chance Maradona popping up to play one more time than Wales winning.

Cant believe we've got this bad so quickly.
131
28/11/2020 08:12:58 6 5
bbc
Why talk up Maradona when Wales has produced greater sportsmen?
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
bbc
Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
90
28/11/2020 07:36:01 8 9
bbc
Yes, but how many Welsh world cup finals? Or world champions at.......anything....ever?
121
28/11/2020 08:05:14 2 2
bbc
When are you going to come up with an original comment, your so boring
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28/11/2020 07:34:17 1 8
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As a proud Welshman I can tell you that our domination over England in rugby for the past 50 years gives immense satisfaction. However, I suppose if I was neutral seeing the two great rugby nations, NZ and Wales struggling would give me hope that the future would be less about Wales/NZ and honours more evenly distributed. But when the dragon roars no one can compete. Watch out England! CYMRU!
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28/11/2020 07:37:28 17 6
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As a proud Englishman our domination over Wales for 2,000 years gives immense satisfaction.
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28/11/2020 07:04:58 21 1
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"With sympathy like that who needs animosity" Typical one eyed reporting. No mention of EJ stating that given time WP will do a good job.
Motivation is a big factor for both teams not just Wales as England players will be up for this game, why wouldn't they it's always been a big fixture on the rugby calendar. I expect a tough match for both teams and hope that England win not expect.
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28/11/2020 07:38:48 5 5
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A pretty poor preview, full of cliches, and inaccuracies
We're a long way from the 90's when we did well to stay within 20 points of England.
"As long as we beat the English" is a cliche that only applies to the fair-weather fans. The "cup final" for me has always been against New Zealand. If the reporter wants to talk about being underdogs then that's the match where it's always the case.
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28/11/2020 07:58:16 5 1
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Results over the years as you stated in another post are fairly even so nothing is a given, realistic supporters lie us hope for a result and whilst Englands recent form is good and Wales indifferent I expect a tough game. Regardless of the result I hope it's a cracking game. Enjoy
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28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
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Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
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28/11/2020 07:38:57 15 6
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How many times has Wales beaten the tiny nation of NZ and when was the last time?
How many tiny rugby nations like Western Somoa, Fiji, Italy have beaten Wales?
Since its inaugural competition how many times has Wales reached the RWC final?
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28/11/2020 08:08:25 0 1
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An original comment from Lions Yawn not!! Your so boring
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
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Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
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JM
28/11/2020 07:39:32 14 1
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Welsh population 3 million, New Zealand 4 million, New Zealand have won every test for 67 years and 32/35. Populations and stats don't mean everything!
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28/11/2020 07:45:06 1 1
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No
64
28/11/2020 05:49:19 40 39
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Population estimate in million inhabitants
England 56.29
Wales 3.15
Senior Male Players Registered
England 131399
Wales 22408
Pro Teams
England 12
Wales 4
RFU Income 2019 £213 M
WRFU £90.5 M
England should never lose. Wales should never win.
BUT...England 64 , Wales 59 ,12 drawn...so never write off Wales.
Hywl so often overcomes English hubris.
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28/11/2020 07:46:21 8 2
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On the basis of population size New Zealand would hardly win a game! Please, it’s about so much more than that!
88
28/11/2020 07:34:17 1 8
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As a proud Welshman I can tell you that our domination over England in rugby for the past 50 years gives immense satisfaction. However, I suppose if I was neutral seeing the two great rugby nations, NZ and Wales struggling would give me hope that the future would be less about Wales/NZ and honours more evenly distributed. But when the dragon roars no one can compete. Watch out England! CYMRU!
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28/11/2020 07:46:51 6 1
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World Cup finals. England 4 Wales 0.
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28/11/2020 07:47:31 3 1
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Undeniably this fixture, is treated like a national holiday here (not today) ...a time when friends get together, more often there is a lot of drinking and chaos, irrespective of the result. Is it our biggest game...YES! Do we hate the English, NO we don’t! We have had some magnificent games over the years. Wales entering a dark place, England poised to win a WC IMO. Could be cricket score today!
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28/11/2020 07:48:22 4 6
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The 'as long as we beat England' mentality is probably the main reason why Wales will never be world champions. It shows an abject lack of ambition and on the relatively rare occasions when they are victorious we hear nothing else for years, viz the victory in the World cup.
Time to grow up and abandon the gallant little principality syndrome. Start by getting rid of the obsolete captain.
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28/11/2020 08:03:35 3 4
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Stop being an Internet clown, and learn something.
Wales is NOT a principality. It's one of the 3 nations of Britain.
AWJ has earned his record number of caps because he's a great player - you don't play 9 successive tests for the Lions if you're not the best.
"...the relatively rare occasions when they are victorious..."
Nothing rare about 39 titles, with 11 grand slams.
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28/11/2020 07:34:17 1 8
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As a proud Welshman I can tell you that our domination over England in rugby for the past 50 years gives immense satisfaction. However, I suppose if I was neutral seeing the two great rugby nations, NZ and Wales struggling would give me hope that the future would be less about Wales/NZ and honours more evenly distributed. But when the dragon roars no one can compete. Watch out England! CYMRU!
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28/11/2020 07:49:33 4 1
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What a stupid comment, I am a proud Welshman but all you are doing is stirring the pot and reacting to a silly article