Brexit: Barnier arrives in UK for face-to-face talks
27/11/2020 | news | politics | 6,943
The EU's Michel Barnier arrived in London on Friday evening, as the two sides try to agree a deal.
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26/11/2020 23:48:24 519 185
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So let's take back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and give it to Boris's girlfriend instead
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27/11/2020 00:22:39 8 8
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He might object.
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27/11/2020 00:25:33 76 11
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Boris will give control to anyone dumb enough to take his poisoned chalice. He only ever wanted the limelight.
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27/11/2020 03:37:14 16 91
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62 thumbs up !

EU is finished -its over -get over it!
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27/11/2020 07:00:55 53 1
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I think you mean Boris' "current" girlfriend. He doesn't have much of a record in that area.
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27/11/2020 07:42:30 31 2
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Alan she is due to be dumped anytime now going on Boris past form so no worries on that front
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27/11/2020 08:23:10 9 56
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Wow. A new low in the acidic remainer rants. Get over yourself man.
27/11/2020 09:10:39 2 7
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Who will you blame next? The next popular read in a newspaper?
27/11/2020 10:01:06 0 1
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What one?
27/11/2020 10:25:58 6 2
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The point is ALL bureaucrats are unelected, both in Brussels and Westminster. There will be just as many in Westminster (probably a lot more) after Brexit, all unelected.
27/11/2020 11:04:47 0 2
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Round of applause for you comment.
27/11/2020 12:16:33 0 1
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That's right because we can unelect Boris's girlfriend. I'm so glad you are finally catching up.
27/11/2020 12:45:51 2 0
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I’d rather she was running the country than him and I suspect I’m not alone on that one!
27/11/2020 12:51:45 0 1
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Yawn.
27/11/2020 14:20:26 0 1
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You saddo
27/11/2020 14:23:47 2 0
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and give it to unelected bureaucrats at the WTO instead. Or so the people who want WTO rules (and there are many who *say* they do, possibly without an excess of knowledge concerning them) are asking for.
27/11/2020 14:45:29 0 0
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Better than giving it to Boris.
27/11/2020 21:54:52 0 0
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Boris and his Tory friends will not be in government for ever. When they are gone we will be still be out of the EU and then can start to make sense of our new position.
27/11/2020 21:55:05 0 0
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Not my style but she does look better than Barnuer or Verhofdtadt!
27/11/2020 22:06:33 0 0
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Any proof of that, or is it just because Cummins has left.
27/11/2020 22:18:47 0 0
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Don't worry, we can kick her out by kicking out Boris, more that the Europeans can do with von der Leyen.
27/11/2020 22:33:46 0 0
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European Council
Role: Defines the general political direction and priorities of the EU.

Council of the European Union
In the Council of the EU, government ministers from each EU country meet to discuss, amend and adopt laws, and coordinate policies.
Together with the European Parliament, the Council is the main decision-making body of the EU.

Unelected bureaucrats??

What are you on?
27/11/2020 23:08:36 1 0
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Priti Patel would love to step in and bully the Brussels bureaucrats!! ... and no issue on the bullying as she has immunity from Boris.
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26/11/2020 23:51:20 75 11
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“The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch”
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26/11/2020 23:55:47 103 11
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The hard part for politicians is knowing when to stop playing!
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26/11/2020 23:56:47 14 3
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The difference between being clucked or f*cked
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26/11/2020 23:51:38 11 31
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walk away, a poor deal is no better then WTO.
Its just a game, we both need each other
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27/11/2020 08:03:33 10 6
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What an ignorant comment. You don't seem to have a clue.
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26/11/2020 23:52:04 6 19
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Forget it guys, you’ve all left it far too late to do anything and no one cares anymore ??
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27/11/2020 02:34:11 8 3
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Haha ?????? you wish. This will rumble on for decades.
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26/11/2020 23:52:33 30 16
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well now we've taken it off scummings that is (also unelected BTW)
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27/11/2020 02:13:37 32 6
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You'll get nowhere. Hypocrisy is one of the central tenets of the brexiter.
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26/11/2020 23:53:39 77 22
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Oh is this still going on. Thought it had been spaffed off for a bit. Crikey that looks messy best to make up some lockdown news and stay in isolation for a bit longer then hopefully everything will be alright when I open my eyes. I take it that the beast is nearly dead?
Hey, BBC, why no mention of the Fisheries Bill becoming law on 23rd November 2020 protecting our fishing industries and our territorial waters? Too much of a pro UK and anti EU story for you is it? No wonder why your viewers are turning away in their droves.

Report the facts BBC, not some selective propaganda that doesn't fit your lefty/liberal, pro EU bias.
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26/11/2020 23:56:44 16 10
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If it protected them they wouldn’t still be talking would they
And how will the Fisheries Bill "protect your fishing industry"? It just means the fish will stay in the sea and you lose the cash they would have earned you. It's not worth the paper it's written on because it's meaningless and can't be enforced.

Go back and play with your paddling pool.
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26/11/2020 23:57:05 10 9
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There are about 2 fishing boats in Britain. You are celebrating something that adds less to the economy and supports fewer jobs than nail technicians. If Farage had done his job as Fisheries MSP this could have been resolved years ago. But all he did is pocket the wage and not turn up to meetings.
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27/11/2020 00:00:24 8 5
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Fishing is highly emotive but economically irrelevant. A fraction of one percent of our economy and we sell most of it o Europe anyway because we don't eat what we catch. Makes good tabloid headlines for Brexiteer consumption though.
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27/11/2020 00:05:12 0 3
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When will you be turning away? What ever it is.
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27/11/2020 00:33:00 1 2
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Where are they going to sell those fish? Without a trade deal no sale. And anyway what we car have mostly th UK public don’t like
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26/11/2020 23:54:24 25 41
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What a surprise...the EU quickly realising the imminency of its loss of power and potential lessor footing it will hold from one of its biggest contributors and purchasers from the bloc ...
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27/11/2020 00:00:59 18 10
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What a surprise...the UK quickly realising the imminency of its loss of power and potential lessor footing it will hold from its biggest contributors and purchasers IE the bloc ...
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27/11/2020 00:09:02 12 6
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* sigh *

Same, tired, tedious rhetoric. It's like time stands still for Brexiteers. Standing there, on the cliff of Kent, fists raised, shouting across the channel that everything is the EU's fault.

The hope is myopic buffoonery will soon end, but sadly it seems like some will take it to their grave.
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26/11/2020 23:50:02 19 48
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The clock is ticking....We know. Bring it on and with it FREEDOM from EU Meddling in our affairs . Hopefully start legal proceeding against any and all former Prime Ministers that have knowingly gave British sovereign powers away in pursuit of the fabled United States of Europe punishing the working classes. The people have had enough. Britain to set up the Northern trading block to thwart the EU.
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26/11/2020 23:59:57 26 11
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Stop taking the drugs, it's blowing what mind you have left.
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26/11/2020 23:59:50 5 5
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To take legal action against the fed ex PMs who are still alive, they need to have broken the law. I know you’ll find this hard to believe, but doing things that you have decided in the last 5 years you disagree with, IS NOT A CRIME
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27/11/2020 00:15:21 9 2
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Obvious troll is obvious. Nobody could be this naive in their thinking.
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27/11/2020 00:23:11 2 3
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what a legend you are sir
mostly in your own lunchtime, but legend no less,
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26/11/2020 23:48:24 519 185
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So let's take back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and give it to Boris's girlfriend instead
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26/11/2020 23:51:20 75 11
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“The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch”
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The hard part for politicians is knowing when to stop playing!
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British waters belong to Britain to do what we wish.
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26/11/2020 23:58:21 11 9
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Apparently not if their Notthern Irish???
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“British waters”

Genuine question

How far from the coast of Britain do you consider British waters should extend?
Hey, BBC, why no mention of the Fisheries Bill becoming law on 23rd November 2020 protecting our fishing industries and our territorial waters? Too much of a pro UK and anti EU story for you is it? No wonder why your viewers are turning away in their droves.

Report the facts BBC, not some selective propaganda that doesn't fit your lefty/liberal, pro EU bias.
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26/11/2020 23:56:44 16 10
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If it protected them they wouldn’t still be talking would they
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26/11/2020 23:59:30 4 6
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
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26/11/2020 23:51:20 75 11
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“The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch”
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26/11/2020 23:56:47 14 3
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The difference between being clucked or f*cked
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26/11/2020 23:57:19 10 28
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Sadly, we appear doomed to achieve a terrible deal that caves in to the EU.

We know this, because we are led by a weak and spineless leader, who allows his unelected 32 year old girlfriend to dictate government policy.
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26/11/2020 23:59:16 21 7
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Well he can't do it so why not let Carrie have a go? She can't do any worse!
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27/11/2020 00:38:24 2 1
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Hi Dominic
Hey, BBC, why no mention of the Fisheries Bill becoming law on 23rd November 2020 protecting our fishing industries and our territorial waters? Too much of a pro UK and anti EU story for you is it? No wonder why your viewers are turning away in their droves.

Report the facts BBC, not some selective propaganda that doesn't fit your lefty/liberal, pro EU bias.
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And how will the Fisheries Bill "protect your fishing industry"? It just means the fish will stay in the sea and you lose the cash they would have earned you. It's not worth the paper it's written on because it's meaningless and can't be enforced.

Go back and play with your paddling pool.
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27/11/2020 00:02:58 4 6
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This Fisheries Bill protect the rights of our fishing industry in UK law and has been passed by the UK Parliament. What it does is guarantee in law that no foreign power can fish in UK waters without the UK governments say so. That is pretty powerful. You should read up on it before commenting.
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26/11/2020 23:58:03 9 11
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I might be wrong but I believe a deal will be done. What I'm more confused about is why negotiations appeared to be paused because Boris Johnson had to self-isolate (despite having had covid and seemingly showing no symptoms). Brexit hasn't gone away and I don't understand how so many industries have been able to crack on at home yet not being able to meet face to face has been a stumbling block.
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27/11/2020 00:07:47 9 4
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They were paused because EU guys had covid
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26/11/2020 23:52:56 20 30
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British waters belong to Britain to do what we wish.
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26/11/2020 23:58:21 11 9
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Apparently not if their Notthern Irish???
Hey, BBC, why no mention of the Fisheries Bill becoming law on 23rd November 2020 protecting our fishing industries and our territorial waters? Too much of a pro UK and anti EU story for you is it? No wonder why your viewers are turning away in their droves.

Report the facts BBC, not some selective propaganda that doesn't fit your lefty/liberal, pro EU bias.
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26/11/2020 23:57:05 10 9
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There are about 2 fishing boats in Britain. You are celebrating something that adds less to the economy and supports fewer jobs than nail technicians. If Farage had done his job as Fisheries MSP this could have been resolved years ago. But all he did is pocket the wage and not turn up to meetings.
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27/11/2020 00:04:00 4 3
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So why do you think the EU think it so important an issue. Its for more than economics you know.
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26/11/2020 23:58:52 385 185
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Why hasn’t the UK walked away yet?

Because its negotiating position is fundamentally weak
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27/11/2020 00:02:42 196 79
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Given that logic why haven’t both sides walked away?
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27/11/2020 04:04:47 15 17
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The same could be asked of the EU. They must want something otherwise the talks would have ended completed by now.
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27/11/2020 08:21:33 21 6
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EU wants a deal as it will improve them. The UK needs a deal but has a government that doesn't want a deal.
27/11/2020 08:39:33 22 4
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Neither side wants to be seen as the one that is responsible for the breakdown in talks. For the EU side, it's no skin off their nose to sit at the table so long as the UK keeps turning up.
27/11/2020 10:02:10 0 8
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Who has the trade surplus? I think you'll find the UK is a huge cash cow for the EU.
27/11/2020 12:55:33 0 0
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In what way?
27/11/2020 19:01:38 0 0
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Boris's mate in the Whitehouse is out and he cannot get a world beating chlorinate chicken trade deal. He will have to re-write the rules so he does not break international law.
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26/11/2020 23:57:19 10 28
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Sadly, we appear doomed to achieve a terrible deal that caves in to the EU.

We know this, because we are led by a weak and spineless leader, who allows his unelected 32 year old girlfriend to dictate government policy.
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26/11/2020 23:59:16 21 7
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Well he can't do it so why not let Carrie have a go? She can't do any worse!
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26/11/2020 23:59:21 28 12
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Slow hand clap, in sarcasm, WHOOPEE!!!!!!!!!
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26/11/2020 23:56:44 16 10
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If it protected them they wouldn’t still be talking would they
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26/11/2020 23:59:30 4 6
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
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26/11/2020 23:50:02 19 48
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The clock is ticking....We know. Bring it on and with it FREEDOM from EU Meddling in our affairs . Hopefully start legal proceeding against any and all former Prime Ministers that have knowingly gave British sovereign powers away in pursuit of the fabled United States of Europe punishing the working classes. The people have had enough. Britain to set up the Northern trading block to thwart the EU.
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26/11/2020 23:59:57 26 11
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Stop taking the drugs, it's blowing what mind you have left.
Hey, BBC, why no mention of the Fisheries Bill becoming law on 23rd November 2020 protecting our fishing industries and our territorial waters? Too much of a pro UK and anti EU story for you is it? No wonder why your viewers are turning away in their droves.

Report the facts BBC, not some selective propaganda that doesn't fit your lefty/liberal, pro EU bias.
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27/11/2020 00:00:24 8 5
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Fishing is highly emotive but economically irrelevant. A fraction of one percent of our economy and we sell most of it o Europe anyway because we don't eat what we catch. Makes good tabloid headlines for Brexiteer consumption though.
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27/11/2020 00:20:33 3 5
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so tell me, why are the EU so determined to gain access to our territorial waters? Maybe its more then economics? Think man!!
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26/11/2020 23:52:56 20 30
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British waters belong to Britain to do what we wish.
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26/11/2020 23:50:02 19 48
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The clock is ticking....We know. Bring it on and with it FREEDOM from EU Meddling in our affairs . Hopefully start legal proceeding against any and all former Prime Ministers that have knowingly gave British sovereign powers away in pursuit of the fabled United States of Europe punishing the working classes. The people have had enough. Britain to set up the Northern trading block to thwart the EU.
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26/11/2020 23:59:50 5 5
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To take legal action against the fed ex PMs who are still alive, they need to have broken the law. I know you’ll find this hard to believe, but doing things that you have decided in the last 5 years you disagree with, IS NOT A CRIME
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27/11/2020 00:01:41 459 230
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WHAT A MESS! Brexiteers: you made it, you own it. I guess the Covid catastrophe will be a good cloud to hide it in though.
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27/11/2020 00:11:10 137 231
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Doe's it really still smart. Shame.
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27/11/2020 04:15:23 10 41
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It is a mess because people like you cannot accept the vote because it did not go your way. I bet many who voted to leave would not now be on here complaining because they lost the vote.
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27/11/2020 07:05:38 11 5
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You don't "own it". You are "responsible for it". Speak English.
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27/11/2020 09:59:13 1 12
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Actually it's the Remainers that caused the mess by continuing to disrupt what should have been a straightforward process to leave, after the democratic majority voted for it.
27/11/2020 10:03:57 11 1
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"I guess the Covid catastrophe will be a good cloud to hide it in though"

This is a godsend for Brexit. Any economic damage will be hidden by the current disaster. It will allow BoJo & Co to get the No Deal they and their mates want, but avoid any blame for the consequences. They don't even need to blame the EU anymore.
27/11/2020 10:19:00 0 7
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Covid a cloud for Brexit?

That's like saying that World War II was a good cloud for a punch up in an alley behind your house.
27/11/2020 10:46:47 1 2
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Of course, much better to sit quietly in meek subordination and take what we're given which is your preference?
27/11/2020 10:49:39 5 1
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Were it not the Covid cloud they would have found another cloud in which to hide it. One thing is for sure, you will never hear Farage/Cummings/ERG/Tory Brexiteers offering any kind of apology that they got things wrong.
27/11/2020 12:35:36 0 2
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No mess. Look at the EU.
27/11/2020 12:54:30 0 2
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Yawn, yawn.
27/11/2020 17:07:08 0 2
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As Brexiteers we happily "own it", thank you. Suggest you get over it and get a life.
27/11/2020 22:32:40 0 2
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LOL "I do believe in the EU" "I do believe in the EU" - you need to say it , otherwise, like Tinkerbell, you may find it isn't there in a year or so if you don't, given Poland & Hungary just vetoed the covid rescue package for Southern Europe.
27/11/2020 23:00:48 0 1
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So how do you know it's going to be a Mess!? i find people like you more irritating than Diego Maradona! I suppose you'll be watching the re-run of the 1986 world cup quarter final which the BBC so kindly replayed for us! I mean' it's so great to get 'cheered up' by the BBC and their followers who 'Believe in and Champion' the country of their Birth! I for one'..am 'nothing like you'!
27/11/2020 23:48:34 0 0
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There is no mess. We have a worldwide pandemic. European economies our suffering the same as we are. It has nothing to do with Brexit.
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27/11/2020 00:02:24 530 146
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Living in Northern Ireland, I am about to experience the ongoing car crash of food imports from the UK.

These will require all the extra bureaucracy required to import from a 3rd country across the Irish Sea into what will still effectively be part of the EU.

Remind me again, how will Northern Ireland benefit from Brexit?
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27/11/2020 00:06:55 123 208
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Freedom from london
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27/11/2020 00:11:42 67 19
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The benefit is of a unified Ireland, and all that comes with being part of the EU again.
As part of the UK you get life saving vaccine before the EU. It’s not hard to admit, if you really want to.
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27/11/2020 00:26:59 25 90
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All trade from the EU to UK will route through Ireland - almost certainly all airfreight if... there is no deal. Our negotiators have just about had enough with it all and the EU not realising UK doesn't need the EU.

We will have to re-engineer the economy to cope with Covid fallout and might as well start making stuff again. Electric cars, ships, steel.

EU - Mad dog barking.
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27/11/2020 04:02:35 39 17
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Northern Ireland should reunite with Eire. It should have never had been separate in the first place.
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27/11/2020 06:33:24 28 13
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Let’s just hope this government collapses shortly after this debacle that’s about to strike or worst case, a starmer landslide in 2024 like none we have ever seen before
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27/11/2020 06:40:28 28 1
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NI will not benefit in anyway. nor will the rest of the UK unless you are a tax evading fund manager. I guess you can push for reunification with Ireland - you would regain your EU rights to live and work in the other EU nations. You would keep your right to live in any of the UK countries. Have access to 72 countries with EU trade deals. But no blue passports.
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27/11/2020 07:17:19 17 2
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Please remind me what the whole of the UK will benefit from Brexit!
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27/11/2020 07:29:16 7 4
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Union with the south?
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27/11/2020 08:05:56 13 2
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On the other hand, it's a great opportunity for the Republic of Ireland to present a really good proposal to the north for reunification.
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27/11/2020 08:15:31 18 3
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Nobody benefits from Brexit...
27/11/2020 09:45:45 5 1
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It won't. Same as the rest of us.
27/11/2020 09:54:14 7 1
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Well, Brexit has accelerated the reunification of Ireland by at least 50 years. Whether you consider that a benefit or not depends which side of the divide you sit on, but at least it will put Northern Ireland back in the EU.
However, the extra bureaucracy in trading with the UK will remain, until the UK realises its mistake and rejoins the EU itself.
27/11/2020 10:39:09 1 3
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Better health? No more ulster fries!
27/11/2020 10:44:27 2 1
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"Remind me again, how will Northern Ireland benefit from Brexit?"

Manufacturers in NI will be able to export directly into the EU member states without customs paperwork.

NI is effectively an EU member state when it comes to customs purposes - hence why the paperwork is required for certain items coming from GB.
27/11/2020 10:45:58 3 1
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Um.......Fitting that the answer is 'it will not', given that an overwhelming majority of people in Northern Ireland voted to Remain. Democracy in action - not.
27/11/2020 10:52:12 3 1
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Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU. I reckon it would be better off leaving the UK and being part of a united Ireland.
27/11/2020 10:56:59 3 1
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No one benefits from Brexit... apart from Tory hedgefunders and the very very rich
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In the absence of pantomime
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It's behind you!
27/11/2020 10:32:12 1 1
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Is Widow Twankie still self isolating?
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Why hasn’t the UK walked away yet?

Because its negotiating position is fundamentally weak
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Given that logic why haven’t both sides walked away?
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27/11/2020 00:08:43 67 20
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Logically the EU position is stronger. Why would they walk away? At the end of the day the UK might need the begging bowl, not the EU
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27/11/2020 01:46:43 9 12
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Have you heard of game called Poker?

Learn, then tell me

Who got strong hands an who is faking it?
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MrW
27/11/2020 07:36:55 16 3
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Cos they can't both be the weakest.
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27/11/2020 07:50:16 9 2
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Err you REALLY don’t know why and whose position has never altered because they don’t have to ?
27/11/2020 08:56:49 17 1
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The EU don't need to walk away, they just need to wait for the British government to give in to its demands like it has done in every round of talks for the last 4.5 years. They know they hold all the cards and the economic hit will be far worse for Britain.
27/11/2020 09:11:47 9 1
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Idiotic comment from a quitter - standard.
27/11/2020 14:16:39 1 0
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EU knows that Boris, Gove et al will then blame EU for not 'engaging fully with the process' and the ensuing mess will be scapegoated against EU. Barnier is smart enough NOT to give Boris this ammunition so that all of the lies, spoon-fed to the baying Brexiteers, will be exposed in full for what they are.

The Northern 'Blue Wall' has already seen through the 'levelling up' lies from Boris.
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27/11/2020 14:38:05 0 0
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Because they know.
27/11/2020 14:54:16 0 0
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They are just waiting for the inevitable U-turn.
27/11/2020 22:30:39 0 0
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We end up with no deal anyway
27/11/2020 22:38:37 1 0
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The difference is that the EU can play brinkmanship from a position of power. The UK hasn't walked away, because we can't afford to; the EU hasn't walked away because they don't have to.
27/11/2020 22:45:54 1 0
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Because some european lunatics are trying to save you from your lunatics. Simple. Compare UK fishing waters to Europe's fishing waters. Compare every other item. EU does not need the UK, it is the other way around. The EU is trying to save UK, but you are not listening.
27/11/2020 23:54:00 0 0
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The EU didn't initiate this mess so that "logic" doesn't apply to them.
And how will the Fisheries Bill "protect your fishing industry"? It just means the fish will stay in the sea and you lose the cash they would have earned you. It's not worth the paper it's written on because it's meaningless and can't be enforced.

Go back and play with your paddling pool.
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27/11/2020 00:02:58 4 6
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This Fisheries Bill protect the rights of our fishing industry in UK law and has been passed by the UK Parliament. What it does is guarantee in law that no foreign power can fish in UK waters without the UK governments say so. That is pretty powerful. You should read up on it before commenting.
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26/11/2020 23:54:24 25 41
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What a surprise...the EU quickly realising the imminency of its loss of power and potential lessor footing it will hold from one of its biggest contributors and purchasers from the bloc ...
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27/11/2020 00:00:59 18 10
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What a surprise...the UK quickly realising the imminency of its loss of power and potential lessor footing it will hold from its biggest contributors and purchasers IE the bloc ...
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27/11/2020 00:03:59 9 19
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Doom merchants get a life please. Wait and see whether there is a deal!
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There are about 2 fishing boats in Britain. You are celebrating something that adds less to the economy and supports fewer jobs than nail technicians. If Farage had done his job as Fisheries MSP this could have been resolved years ago. But all he did is pocket the wage and not turn up to meetings.
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27/11/2020 00:04:00 4 3
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So why do you think the EU think it so important an issue. Its for more than economics you know.
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27/11/2020 00:04:11 579 267
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Absolutely loving that I've lost my rights and opportunities in 30 other countries of my own continent to be economically worse off too. Loving it. What a f'n brilliant idea it's all been.
What an intellectual desert you really are. Removed
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27/11/2020 01:15:51 16 104
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Good. Bad behavoirs being made more difficult. Greedily moving outside your own nation just to better yourself or for your pleasure is not at all acceptable whoever it is, or whatever direction they selfishly want to go. End it.
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27/11/2020 04:12:47 32 54
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well if you that bother move to an EU country. I cannot believe that if anyone wants opportunities aboard they don't go for it. There a whole world out there beyond the UK & the EU
638
27/11/2020 07:36:23 4 28
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??????????
Tom
27/11/2020 08:33:45 22 31
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How many of these rights and opportunities did you actually take advantage of?
27/11/2020 08:49:21 14 40
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Dry your eyes buttercup hahahaha
27/11/2020 09:12:18 4 18
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You haven’t lost your rights, you can still go infact why haven’t you gone already? You have had plenty of time to find a job, home in any of the euroland countries. Why haven’t you left?
27/11/2020 09:13:45 3 12
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I doubt your linguistic skills are sufficient for you to take up any European career opportunity other than waiter or fruit picker?
27/11/2020 09:18:58 4 5
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Still possible to move to Portugal if you want to. Just need either:
A guaranteed income as a pensioner and a property or long term rental agreement.
Or
Investment in property or business beyond a relatively modest level as a working age person.

In either case you can apply for a Portuguese passport after 5 years of residency.
Other EU options also available, but that's the easiest.
Bom Dia...
27/11/2020 10:25:09 3 4
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Well you can still move there. Better avoid Poland and Hungary though, despite neither having a terrorist attack this century - they are likely to be ejected from the EU for not conforming to the organisation's view of 'law and order'.
27/11/2020 10:35:45 1 8
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Sounds like you might be racist? EU is all white nations so how about a more racially diverse relationship with the rest of the world. To join the EU we excluded freedom of movement with Caribbean, Asia and Africa.
OT
27/11/2020 10:50:09 0 5
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So David, When are you emigrating to the continent?
27/11/2020 11:10:54 1 2
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It may not be a brilliant idea, but it's democracy.

Scotland might vote to be independent one day and, while that will probably be economic suicide, and simply swapping rule from Westminster for rule from Brussels, it would also be democracy.
27/11/2020 11:25:19 0 3
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... 30 countries? ... last time I checked there were 27 countries in the EU
... and of how many of those rights and opportunities were you planning to avail yourself? ... and of those, how many are unavailable to you in UK?
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27/11/2020 00:04:42 198 80
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If we don’t strike a deal on fish how do we propose stopping French boats entering our waters? Military intervention? Fishermen attacking each other? It’s a ridiculous reason for a no deal. Strike an agreement on quotas as to do otherwise presents unenforceable consequences.
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27/11/2020 00:35:51 252 90
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Fishing is a completely trivial irrelevant issue

It lands about £1bn of fish each year - 0.05% of GDP

It employs about 12000 people

For Boris it may be the final concession to get a deal.

Failure to get a deal because of fishing would be the height of stupidity.
u-boats
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27/11/2020 01:14:38 28 20
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Same way Iceland did, sent coastal patrol boats to intercept illegal fishing boats and cut their nets.
An 'Agreement on Quotas' as you put it the EU is demanding nothing less than indefinite control over UK fisheries not just an allocation of quotas, this isn't even remotely acceptable to anyone with half a mind.
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27/11/2020 01:21:55 14 17
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Yes of course. We send planes to intercept Russian planes getting too close, so no problem sending and armed drone, plane or ship to attack naval invaders. Its the point of having them. Libya apparently takes Italian fishing vessels for fishing prawns in their waters. So not beyond our ability.
785
27/11/2020 08:01:00 10 11
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Military intervention has been used before and you surely you must remember French fisherman attacking English boats
27/11/2020 09:54:39 2 4
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When we had the Cod War with Iceland we sent in gunboats or fisheries protection vessels as they were called ,, get them going agan, may as well give the navy something practical to do other than cruise round in an aircraft carrier with no aircraft
27/11/2020 10:15:20 2 3
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When will it stike the reckless, spendthrift Johnson that it would be easier and cheaper to offer pretty good financial compensation to these 12,000, especially if he could then sell any remaining rights to other countries. I doubt if you'd find many who wouldn't take it..'the 'sovereignty trumps money' brigade doesn't extend to real workers.
27/11/2020 10:49:10 3 3
bbc
exactly - so the EU should back off making ridiculous claims over British waters.
OT
27/11/2020 11:00:41 4 3
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Have you not heard that French fishermen have already been attacking British scallop fishermen, even though the British fishermen were fishing legally. That's the way that the French have frequently behaved. Do you remember the French burning British lamb at Calais? It that really EU cooperation?
27/11/2020 11:50:30 1 0
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remember the cod wars of the 70's, we actually exchanged fire with the Icelandic navy, over fish.......
xlr
27/11/2020 11:55:52 3 0
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I hope this leave voters like fish. It'll be the only thing that's cheap if there's a no deal, because they won't be able to get rid of the stuff.
27/11/2020 13:02:22 1 1
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There are diplomatic channels for disputes about maritime sovereignty. If we have no fishing agreement, then it will be illegal for French boats to fish here. Are you one of the people who have been complaining about Johnson breaking international law?
27/11/2020 14:32:14 0 2
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Well given they are French. Throw one stone at one boat and I'm sure they'll all surrender and cry and run away.
Hey, BBC, why no mention of the Fisheries Bill becoming law on 23rd November 2020 protecting our fishing industries and our territorial waters? Too much of a pro UK and anti EU story for you is it? No wonder why your viewers are turning away in their droves.

Report the facts BBC, not some selective propaganda that doesn't fit your lefty/liberal, pro EU bias.
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27/11/2020 00:05:12 0 3
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When will you be turning away? What ever it is.
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27/11/2020 00:06:29 40 33
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Just give up. Without my rights of free movement, i don't care so best of luck and i hope the EU does really well and the UK doesnt. Well i was born British but i don't care
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27/11/2020 01:19:58 12 13
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1.if it was so important to you, you should have moved whilst you still could.
2. A lot of the people who don't like FoM can't utilise it, and felt wages lowered. FoM strips poor countries of youth, and over saturates rich countries.
3. Your holidays will be undisrupted.
4. You hope the EU does better than us? Great. Maybe that supreme skillset of yours can get you.. Idk, an old fashioned visa? ??
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27/11/2020 01:22:57 3 7
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Oh cut the melodramatic dummy spit, the UK was never in Schengen.
375
27/11/2020 04:19:03 0 2
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Neither do I care what you think.
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27/11/2020 00:02:24 530 146
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Living in Northern Ireland, I am about to experience the ongoing car crash of food imports from the UK.

These will require all the extra bureaucracy required to import from a 3rd country across the Irish Sea into what will still effectively be part of the EU.

Remind me again, how will Northern Ireland benefit from Brexit?
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27/11/2020 00:06:55 123 208
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Freedom from london
431
27/11/2020 06:16:12 7 13
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Who paying for HS2, if it ain't London & the South East.
464
27/11/2020 06:36:08 21 29
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Oh how I wish we could just abandon the Irish burden. A million pains in the backside, and not worth it. We throw money at them, they winge at everyrhing, still consumed with religious hatred.
502
27/11/2020 06:53:19 16 10
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London’s earnings are paying your dole money
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W 6
26/11/2020 23:58:03 9 11
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I might be wrong but I believe a deal will be done. What I'm more confused about is why negotiations appeared to be paused because Boris Johnson had to self-isolate (despite having had covid and seemingly showing no symptoms). Brexit hasn't gone away and I don't understand how so many industries have been able to crack on at home yet not being able to meet face to face has been a stumbling block.
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27/11/2020 00:07:47 9 4
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They were paused because EU guys had covid
43
27/11/2020 00:08:07 8 9
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And so the bitterness, resentment and intollerance continues.

When in a hole, some people just keep digging...
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27/11/2020 02:30:37 1 1
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We will never forget.
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27/11/2020 00:08:32 684 290
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Boris's bluff is about to be called, by the time this is all finished I think it will be apparent to all that this Brexit was not worth it, the leavers won't get what they wanted and the remainers didn't get what they want, there will be some saying it is what they wanted but that will just be bravado because they didn't know really what they wanted but don't want to look stupid.
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27/11/2020 03:15:15 263 489
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Get Over it !
632
27/11/2020 07:34:04 4 67
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Suk it up.
704
27/11/2020 07:48:13 8 51
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You reckon he was bluffing? That’s your problem
Wet
27/11/2020 09:40:47 26 1
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There are sayings about "Be careful what you ask for" for a reason.
27/11/2020 09:44:27 26 3
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Agreed. With a 52%/48% Referendum2016 result (advisory and with exaggerated claims) there should have been more compromise instead of the Brexiter "win and take all" mentality which has irreversibly damaged the UK.
27/11/2020 10:25:46 1 21
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WE (rightly) condemn Trump for his refusal to accept the result of a properly conducted, legal vote. But who set the gold standard for Trump to follow? Step forward Change UK! Three and a half years of just stubbornly refusing to accept reality makes Trump look sensible by comparison. Even after Boris's landslide, some still cling to the myth that voters "didn't really mean it"!
27/11/2020 10:43:04 3 21
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Oh yes, because when we joined the EU we saw the impact only for the first 5 years and not for decades later. What utter rubbish! We are currently trying to sign the divorce papers because the missus is trying to keep hold of the stuffed fish display she didn't buy but always takes credit for. Leaving the EU is a decades long benefit. More savings year on year whilst the UK develops independently
27/11/2020 10:44:45 0 11
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yawn...
27/11/2020 11:15:08 2 1
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They don’t need to look stupid !!!
27/11/2020 11:33:38 2 9
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Its a journey. Just like the Projekt's is ever closer union and EUSSR ours is now set on a different course. You never always get what you "wish" for. Did you leave school expecting to be paid £150k a year as a Lawyer or astronaut ?
27/11/2020 11:40:17 5 1
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Thornberry has spectacularly exposed the myth that trade deals out side the EU will be bigger and better - in fact the exact opposite in the case of the UK-Japan deal .
27/11/2020 12:05:36 4 0
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Yep, Boris and Farage and co conned everyone all along. Simply and cheaper way would just be to put the UK in Tier 3 for ever, that way no one can visit the Uk anyway.
27/11/2020 12:16:43 2 6
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Wrong. The very fact that we will have 100% control of our laws, immigration policy, tax policy and have seen off becoming part of a Federal Europe is more than enough for me.
27/11/2020 12:51:26 0 1
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Eh?
27/11/2020 14:45:59 4 0
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Among my work colleagues, most of whom voted to leave, there is an air of resignation that it's not going as well as expected. One or two are die hard ranting brexiteers who have stated that they don't care how bad things get as long as we are completely out. Interesting to note is that their jobs will not be affected, whatever happens.
27/11/2020 15:01:12 1 0
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The only way ahead. Folk need to see what they have bought before they can return it if there even is a returns option. No stopping it now. Anybody who has not already insured themselves against this car crash by this point needs to get their skates on if at all possible. Our household is sorted.
Bob
27/11/2020 20:38:29 0 2
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...... don't want to look stupid.

What like you do with this rambling waffle!!
27/11/2020 21:52:11 1 2
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I resent the constant assumption that those of us who voted to leave didn’t know what we wanted. This is supercilious nonsense.
27/11/2020 21:57:28 0 1
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Brexit is done, I suggest you start thinking about how you are going to cope after this lock-down destroys not only the UK economy ,but Europe's and possibly the globe's.
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27/11/2020 00:02:42 196 79
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Given that logic why haven’t both sides walked away?
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27/11/2020 00:08:43 67 20
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Logically the EU position is stronger. Why would they walk away? At the end of the day the UK might need the begging bowl, not the EU
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27/11/2020 04:05:47 12 9
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How is that logic if as you say the EU is in a stronger place
27/11/2020 14:48:25 1 0
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But the UK has deals with the Faroe Islands and Bosnia, how wonderful! Not forgetting the latest triumph with Japan that leaves us worse off than before. Joy!
27/11/2020 22:37:30 0 0
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So why didn't they walk away, Boris calling them back would be game set and match - ever wondered why they keep unilaterally extending the City's ability to trade? The City and services is where we have a trade surplus AND there is no competition, except from a 1/4 of the globe away that would hammer EU companies. Then they are in a Boeing/Airbus trade war with US, we aren't.
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26/11/2020 23:54:24 25 41
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What a surprise...the EU quickly realising the imminency of its loss of power and potential lessor footing it will hold from one of its biggest contributors and purchasers from the bloc ...
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27/11/2020 00:09:02 12 6
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* sigh *

Same, tired, tedious rhetoric. It's like time stands still for Brexiteers. Standing there, on the cliff of Kent, fists raised, shouting across the channel that everything is the EU's fault.

The hope is myopic buffoonery will soon end, but sadly it seems like some will take it to their grave.
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27/11/2020 00:27:56 9 5
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Sad to see the Brexiters' arrogance and ignorance taint the name of this country.
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27/11/2020 00:09:08 7 19
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Just got once it would be nice to see democracy actually being honoured, people shouting they Trump should accept democracy, but those same people happily ignore the referendum result. Whatever you feelings about the result you should back this country shameful do many would rather back the Eu just to hurt their own country
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27/11/2020 00:22:57 10 5
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The referendum was non-binding fiasco based on lies, intended to paper over the cracks in the Tory Party. The US election was an election.
As leavers are now a minority, you have to question who the pariots really are
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27/11/2020 02:37:43 2 2
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Voting Brexit to wreck your own country is neither patriotic or democratic.
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27/11/2020 00:09:33 9 4
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RSE’s. Is Boris a RSE?
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27/11/2020 00:03:59 9 19
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Doom merchants get a life please. Wait and see whether there is a deal!
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27/11/2020 00:10:18 5 17
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Let’s get real here! COVID has cost £280billion—leaving the EU is irrelevant. We spent years arguing about minutiae —what a waste of energy!
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27/11/2020 00:17:15 2 2
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OBR reckons that Brexit will cost 4% of GDP with Johnsons deal, 6% if we leave without a deal, even with the cost of COVID thats still billions extra down the drain, it also means loss of jobs at a time when we desperately need them.
Fall in value of £ alone has taken £bns from UK economy already

Brexit & COVID are the perfect storm for the UK economy

still we got some blue passports
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27/11/2020 00:10:30 467 228
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The more we go ahead the more brexiters will struggle to defend their brexit fiasco. Slowly slowly all the lies are coming out. And this is only the beginning. The difference between no deal and a thin deal is small. Brexit is damaging for the UK. Time for slogans is over. People that still support brexit should put their jobs on the line.
Walk the talk and own your mess now.
It is your fault.
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27/11/2020 00:27:46 17 89
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See my reply to David.
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27/11/2020 00:29:00 58 10
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The people that did support Brexit did put their jobs on the line ie Nissan workers at Sunderland, fishermen and farmers. All sadly gullible.
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27/11/2020 01:34:41 6 62
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No one is bothered. Only money selfish remaiers. No one else voted on money issues. Prefer no deal, for its honesty. Any deal done will be sleazy, stitch up between mates of the political class on both sides, playing games, feathering mate's nests.
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27/11/2020 04:09:38 8 40
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People who do not accept the vote because they think they know best have to get over this. Its time to move on, this year as been difficult enough without people who simply cannot or will not accept this vote.
580
27/11/2020 07:19:17 20 5
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A huge proportion are retired and don’t have jobs to put in the line and triple locked incomes....
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27/11/2020 07:26:09 7 44
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I voted Brexit, I voted Tory and earned an extra 20k on my salary in the last year. Loving life right now.

Throughout the whole Brexit saga I was only aware of 1 benefit of being in the EU, free mobile roaming abroad - hardly worth bankrupting the country for:

Put project fear away - you already lost.
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27/11/2020 07:37:57 2 3
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Age please?
27/11/2020 09:07:20 0 4
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Not defending anything. Get on with it it.
27/11/2020 09:32:28 10 1
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Dont expect those lies to make a difference. Economic hardship will be blamed on covid, or on EUs intransigence, or the opposition parties, or China or cosmic background radiation. Look at the US, trump has told far more lies than truths, lies that are blatantly obvious. Still he won more votes than he did in 2016.
27/11/2020 09:36:47 9 1
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Sadly most of those who voted for Brexit are retired and don't have jobs that will be impacted, the majority of the rest of them were either the 'left behinds' who were on minimum wage or benefits anyway, or the very people who benefit from the money laundering and tax evasion that new EU rules would have impacted, so not affected again or actively benefiting from Brexit.
27/11/2020 10:45:36 0 4
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Zzzzzzz......
27/11/2020 11:43:41 3 0
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?Nothing has been more damaging than the nationalist -populist s' propaganda of the brixitiers who even were following Trump and brutally purged their own colleagues.
27/11/2020 11:49:30 0 1
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What are you going on about?
27/11/2020 12:02:42 0 2
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You just dont get it. Many people do not want to be part of the political Projekt. For reasons that are down to them. Some will be similar to others. You have the option of going and living in the Projekt if you so wish if it means that much to you.
27/11/2020 12:35:04 0 1
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Some people are democratic. Get over it!
27/11/2020 12:54:08 0 2
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Yawn.
27/11/2020 14:22:12 0 2
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you are sad, I am happy to leave with no deal actually
27/11/2020 17:52:52 1 0
bbc
The Tory rebels complaining about the economic impact of the covid restrictions are the same people in favour of badly damaging that same economy by cutting ties with our biggest trading partner.
27/11/2020 21:57:01 0 0
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We voted to leave the EU we didn’t bargain on the Tories making such a pigs ear of the exit.
27/11/2020 22:28:31 0 0
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Yea, like NIssan would close Sunderland , unless of course Barcelona means Sunderland in Spanish?
27/11/2020 22:50:56 0 0
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No doubt you will be one of the idiots that blame Brexit for job losses not China for unleashing this virus on us ??????????????????
27/11/2020 23:47:23 0 0
bbc
Never been happier about Brexit. We can actually control who we have coming in to our country now. Many Europeans would love to be able to do that.
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27/11/2020 00:01:41 459 230
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WHAT A MESS! Brexiteers: you made it, you own it. I guess the Covid catastrophe will be a good cloud to hide it in though.
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27/11/2020 00:11:10 137 231
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Doe's it really still smart. Shame.
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27/11/2020 00:18:29 48 6
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Doe's???
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27/11/2020 01:44:36 45 13
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The fact that Brexiteers have crashed the economy (conveniently hidden by a pandemic spectacularly mishandled by the arch-narcissist Brexiteer) and turned the nation into a laughing stock does smart. Own it.
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27/11/2020 07:21:23 18 1
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Infantile.
idiot quitter. Removed
27/11/2020 09:40:11 4 2
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Why don't you make some effort to propose a way round this mess instead of making childish comments
27/11/2020 10:22:01 4 2
bbc
You still think this is a game? You are dragging this country through the mud. Traitor.
27/11/2020 10:32:26 2 2
bbc
The question should be "Is it really still smart?" If it is, could you please explain why?
27/11/2020 11:29:50 5 0
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Brexiteers spend years moaning about being in the EU, so why would you expect Remainers to simply roll over and be quiet now were not in the EU?

It's now perfectly clear that Brexiteer arguments were largely based on falsehoods. So brace youself for years of 'we told you so', because that's what is comming.
27/11/2020 11:24:08 0 5
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Yea it really smarts. The remainers are all like trump, unable to understand democracy
27/11/2020 11:46:14 3 0
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The shame will be next year when the affects of Brexit hit idiots up and down the country.
27/11/2020 12:10:21 1 1
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We used to hang people like you for betraying the country.
27/11/2020 22:35:39 1 0
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Hold that thought: the pain has hardly started. Enjoy.
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27/11/2020 00:11:11 528 213
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Feel the same Peter (00.06). While losing rights and opportunities in our own continent it's hard to care any more whether we have a really damaging outcome or a really, really damaging outcome. These people actually celebrate the loss of our rights and the there's a bitter part of me that thinks maybe they need to experience the economic pain of brexit then. We warned them for years.
The bulk of leavers were pensioners (7m) and 55-64 year olds (another 7m) who have little or no economic skin in the game. They had an ill-informed tantrum about forrin, austerity and 'other' (lumbago, a hankering for the 1970s, etc etc) and now hide behind a self-righteous and diminishing Cult, and give not a toss for the mess they caused ...... Removed
Signed...yours, the tea leaf whisperer.
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27/11/2020 00:27:02 66 119
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What economic pain is this? The loss of an ANNUAL £93 Billion DEFICIT with the EU? Seems good to me. On a separate note; The average tariff will be approx. 3% on WTO terms. Don't believe the remainers inflated, lying figures.
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27/11/2020 00:47:59 65 108
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Our BoT with EU is defecit. Throwing bad money after bad. Remain for what? To be bled dry into servitude? Tired of people like you.
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27/11/2020 01:41:20 19 47
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They were not rights or oppertunities decent people ever wanted or used. Grasping 'a better life' out of other nation's lands is not acceptable behavoir.

Relax and enjoy contentment and poverty, its no big deal if you have a life not based on showing off how rich you are!
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27/11/2020 07:31:51 3 13
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“O mummy I told them this would happen” Suck it up snow flake ??
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27/11/2020 07:38:33 1 12
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Still can't get over losing .Move on
732
27/11/2020 07:47:59 2 9
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With the EU and the mobs big brother the sad thing is that you and some trolls have not understood that we dont live in a democracy...our life standards went down. Irresponsible immigration had wrecked communities... this the the gloriulous EU.. no thanks
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27/11/2020 07:54:46 2 7
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There has always been blindness on both sides of the Brexit debate - leavers are blind to the future because it's never been done - remainers are blind to the shocking inequality and ineffectiveness of the EU and should educate themselves on what the EU actually does. Yet both are absolutely adamant that the other side are idiots and carry on like kids in a playground. Read Death of Democracy.
766
27/11/2020 07:57:52 3 5
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You just want to be able to go on holiday in your French timeshare
It’s not your continent, it’s just a land mass run by an unelected elite who don’t care about you in any way
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27/11/2020 08:28:23 1 3
bbc
Are you offering some sort of helpful suggestion or just saying "we're doomed - doooomed"?
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27/11/2020 00:02:24 530 146
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Living in Northern Ireland, I am about to experience the ongoing car crash of food imports from the UK.

These will require all the extra bureaucracy required to import from a 3rd country across the Irish Sea into what will still effectively be part of the EU.

Remind me again, how will Northern Ireland benefit from Brexit?
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27/11/2020 00:11:42 67 19
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The benefit is of a unified Ireland, and all that comes with being part of the EU again.
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27/11/2020 07:18:36 9 1
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Well that's a well thought-out response to somebody living in Northern Ireland.
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27/11/2020 08:16:05 1 10
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Ireland can’t afford the costs of keeping N Ireland. Wire is a lot to go bust as the demands of the eu for more taxes starts to increase
Just listen to the new Irish PM, he can see the gun the the eu is pointing at them
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27/11/2020 00:12:28 24 3
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Is it not possible to negotiate over Zoom?
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27/11/2020 00:16:03 44 15
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Don’t think Boris always knows the right button to press though ??
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27/11/2020 00:26:11 7 2
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In all honesty, having negotiated for 30+ years, no
Details yes, negotiate no
And it is an entire country's future we are talking about, not some no-brainer hot deal for a measley few million quid
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27/11/2020 00:52:32 3 2
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Yes I believe it is. You can also record the video and audio for future perusal.
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TV
27/11/2020 07:51:26 2 1
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Yes, of course, but this is the pantomime to distract us until the deadline passes, and we move to WTO rules. That was always going to happen because of the impossibility of getting all countries to agree to all terms of a deal. The politicians do not want the blame, so we have this dance around to convince the public that the politicians are trying really hard and it's the other side's fault.
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27/11/2020 00:10:18 5 17
bbc
Let’s get real here! COVID has cost £280billion—leaving the EU is irrelevant. We spent years arguing about minutiae —what a waste of energy!
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27/11/2020 00:14:54 763 279
bbc
To think one of the main sticking points is fishing. 0.1% of Britain's GDP. That whilst multi-billion sectors like financial services hardly get a mention. Madness.
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27/11/2020 00:18:15 402 287
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Worse, those waters are not even protectable. So it’s utter madness unless we seek a war in the channel with France and The Netherlands
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27/11/2020 00:27:51 88 72
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Exactly, the fishing industry hardly contributes to our economy and has very few people, so sacrifice it for something that's far more important like the financial services of the city of London.
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27/11/2020 01:39:49 101 52
bbc
Ah, but it used to be a lot more than 0.1%...
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27/11/2020 02:56:31 138 25
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An article elsewhere notes Brits are ignorant of economics
Included in that is their ignorance of the facts behind the demise of British fishing industry (over-fishing, greed, sale of licences, etc etc), and their healthy dislike of the banking industry and what it contributes
Truly we have been led to the cliffedge by gullible, uninformed fools
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27/11/2020 03:26:23 22 66
bbc
0.1% thats why France etc are bothered!

The major sticking issue for the EU over Brexit for our right to control fishing in our waters!

Its NO Wonder the EU call this country the thickest in Europe you remainers are the source of that information, you haven't got a brain between you
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27/11/2020 04:02:25 24 15
bbc
Brexits either don’t understand or don’t care, They’ll happiliy burn the house down and say “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” Which is funny because that works for Rejoiners too, (yellow stars) :-)
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27/11/2020 04:03:48 16 8
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So it's even less than 0.1% of the E.U. GDP. Why would they let that get in their way?
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27/11/2020 05:58:05 20 42
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Madness by you, we have left the EU, are France and the Netherlands fishing in Canada’s waters? nope! U.K. only want’s to have the same deal as Canada,
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27/11/2020 06:25:54 9 28
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Barnier is Macron's poodle. Macron is between a rock and a hard place. Loss of access to fishing will cause riotous behaviour and the loss of his presidency. Insistance on fishing being a red line will alienate him within the EU. His ambition to create a Franco/German led United States of Europe depends upon retaining access to fishing in UK waters. So who has the whip hand here, Barnier or Frost?
447
27/11/2020 06:30:52 1 7
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While I agree with you we are an adaptable nation, and pretty well always find a way through whatever mess politicians create
449
27/11/2020 06:31:16 27 3
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Not sure fishing is a sticking point, but we're just told it is to deflect attention away from things like tax dodging, which the UK is desperately trying to avoid the EU crackdown upon. Such as when Cameron tried to sledgehammer through an exemption for the UK elite and big business back in 2012.
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27/11/2020 07:12:14 19 2
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Indeed. It's like someone who owns a burger van holding the entire economy of London to ransom over pitch rights.
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27/11/2020 07:22:40 20 2
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The real madness is that fishing is a perfect example of how free trade benefits everyone, given that the UK imports 70% of the fish it eats and exports 80% of what it catches.
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27/11/2020 07:32:05 4 13
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The reason for this is it’s vital to eu unity.
Hence the uk “keeps the issue open”

It’s like the uk Ireland “problem”. It isn’t a problem but eu turn it into one for leverage. If you think otherwise see the leaked video of Barnier in The eu meeting.

Tell me. If both sides want a deal abd both sides hurt by no deal .....
Why would there not be a deal?

It’s game theory. That’s all. .
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27/11/2020 07:40:23 5 7
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If it’s such a small deal then why are the EU so adamant they want full access.
I agree that financial services are our big thing but they may have already sorted that which is why you haven’t heard anything
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27/11/2020 07:46:18 1 13
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Fishing is 0.1 % of GDP because Heath sacrifice the livelyhoods of fishermen all up the East coast to the French and Dutch to secure HIS dream of being in the EEC.
If fishing is such a small issue, why are the French demanding they retain their access to UK waters and risking a no deal Brexit which disadvantages their wine producers? Because it offers employment to areas which don't have it.
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27/11/2020 07:50:52 3 22
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Reading the comments here, it is clear that people do not understand what has happened to our Industries in the last 40 years. Take fishing - Yes it’s low to GDP but that’s because the EU rules and quotas forced its decline. The EU sucks the life out of countries like ours
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27/11/2020 07:52:41 17 2
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And the best bit ?? UK fishermen SOLD their quotas to EU fishermen because they could not sell the catch in the UK !!! Why doesn't that get a mention then ???
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W1A
27/11/2020 07:51:27 4 7
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It's the principle, just like it your neighbour fenced off a foot of your garden. That's nothing but you would fight tooth and nail...
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26/11/2020 23:50:02 19 48
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The clock is ticking....We know. Bring it on and with it FREEDOM from EU Meddling in our affairs . Hopefully start legal proceeding against any and all former Prime Ministers that have knowingly gave British sovereign powers away in pursuit of the fabled United States of Europe punishing the working classes. The people have had enough. Britain to set up the Northern trading block to thwart the EU.
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27/11/2020 00:15:21 9 2
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Obvious troll is obvious. Nobody could be this naive in their thinking.
I like how they eek out these negotiations. Wring them for all they’re worth. Leak and brief to the media. The EU are really good at enlisting the help of remainers. Hey, maybe they should have conducted their vaccine contracts in public. I’ll bet remainers would have helped them get some vaccine before year’s end. They could have gaslighted that worthless pfizer into giving it 4 free. Snigger.
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27/11/2020 00:12:28 24 3
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Is it not possible to negotiate over Zoom?
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27/11/2020 00:16:03 44 15
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Don’t think Boris always knows the right button to press though ??
27/11/2020 10:57:40 0 1
bbc
Oh yes he does, especially when he doesn't have an answer!
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27/11/2020 00:10:18 5 17
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Let’s get real here! COVID has cost £280billion—leaving the EU is irrelevant. We spent years arguing about minutiae —what a waste of energy!
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27/11/2020 00:17:15 2 2
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OBR reckons that Brexit will cost 4% of GDP with Johnsons deal, 6% if we leave without a deal, even with the cost of COVID thats still billions extra down the drain, it also means loss of jobs at a time when we desperately need them.
Fall in value of £ alone has taken £bns from UK economy already

Brexit & COVID are the perfect storm for the UK economy

still we got some blue passports
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27/11/2020 00:17:31 4 14
bbc
Wow the bitterness is just crazy.....
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27/11/2020 02:34:52 0 1
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But highly understandable.
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27/11/2020 00:17:38 7 4
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So, here they (we) go go.............. Little time left now for preparations to welcome the Beaver Moo'n penumbral eclipse around 7:30am, Monday 30th.

Truly cosmic coincidence and beyond all else it falls under Gemini which for those who understand the matter, is auspiciously apt. As Nelsom once stated, 'My God, I can see for miles.............. and the French Fleet blocks the view! Hardy......
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27/11/2020 00:14:54 763 279
bbc
To think one of the main sticking points is fishing. 0.1% of Britain's GDP. That whilst multi-billion sectors like financial services hardly get a mention. Madness.
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27/11/2020 00:18:15 402 287
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Worse, those waters are not even protectable. So it’s utter madness unless we seek a war in the channel with France and The Netherlands
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27/11/2020 00:52:45 122 37
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Last time we had a war over fish, we lost - to Iceland.
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27/11/2020 01:12:42 67 182
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Of course they are protecable by any government with a spine. Yes see if the eu wants a war over stealing our fish. Drones can attack fishing boats. Not like we are trying to put boats fishing in their waters. if someone was doing it to them they would be quick enough to ask us for help.
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27/11/2020 03:18:28 23 48
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There British Coastal Waters!
The EU accept that, so why are we going to seek a war with NATO allies?
remoaner garb
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27/11/2020 03:46:25 56 20
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"So it's utter maddness unless we seek a war with France and Germany........

I think a war is the only thing that would actually please the Brexit Brigade. It's what they voted for and their biggest wish. It is their main unicorn.
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27/11/2020 06:10:48 7 23
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Mr Ed - you’re totally correct. Yet the EU continues to insist on territorial access to the UK as part of a trade deal. Bewildering.
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27/11/2020 00:11:10 137 231
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Doe's it really still smart. Shame.
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27/11/2020 00:18:29 48 6
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Doe's???
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27/11/2020 00:45:41 13 51
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Is that really your best reply? Think it says more about you than me. Shame.
27/11/2020 09:51:05 4 2
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I think he means DOH!!! - which will trip off the tongue of a lot of Brexiteers in the coming years.
27/11/2020 12:37:31 2 0
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Belonging to a doe?
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27/11/2020 00:11:11 528 213
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Feel the same Peter (00.06). While losing rights and opportunities in our own continent it's hard to care any more whether we have a really damaging outcome or a really, really damaging outcome. These people actually celebrate the loss of our rights and the there's a bitter part of me that thinks maybe they need to experience the economic pain of brexit then. We warned them for years.
The bulk of leavers were pensioners (7m) and 55-64 year olds (another 7m) who have little or no economic skin in the game. They had an ill-informed tantrum about forrin, austerity and 'other' (lumbago, a hankering for the 1970s, etc etc) and now hide behind a self-righteous and diminishing Cult, and give not a toss for the mess they caused ...... Removed
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27/11/2020 00:31:53 63 56
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Perhaps they have experience? Or are you saying only the young have a valid point of view?
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27/11/2020 00:51:31 58 109
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The mess is the bunch of tubes who could not accept the Referendum. Absolute bitter stupid toe pointers.
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27/11/2020 01:29:57 30 60
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"pensioners"

Ah yes, the people who have been ripped off by the EU, formerly the EEC, with the not worth it visa free trip to Benidorm each year as compensation.
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27/11/2020 02:13:21 80 11
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Had the country's youth turned up to vote in their own interest, Remain would have won.

No point taking it out on the pensioners.

I'm a pensioner and an avid Remainer / Rejoiner.
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27/11/2020 02:59:17 15 29
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YOU LOST , LOSER
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27/11/2020 03:29:58 9 3
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Drip!
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27/11/2020 03:51:01 9 9
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And it is not even intelligible of what they formed a majority. Figures made no sense and result was owed to an ancient voting system. Very sad.
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27/11/2020 05:59:20 3 6
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Look in the mirror, sucker.
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27/11/2020 06:09:41 9 15
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You sound like a teenager who, through ignorance and selfishness can't accept that their parents are wise enough to know better.
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27/11/2020 06:41:25 6 7
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I can assure you that no one I know who was a young teenager in the 70's that we hanker after that era, why would we. If you lived then rather than now, you would know what a dreadful time it was. Be assured you will still be able to work in the EU provided you have the right skill, language ability, you will see no change. Good luck if you do decide to leave. I'm not a pensioner.
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27/11/2020 07:02:07 12 11
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Don't be so ageist. The young of this world are far more prone to self-righteousness. Older people just get on with it.
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27/11/2020 07:31:27 7 8
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Whereas you are still having a tantrum about the result?
625
27/11/2020 07:33:09 0 4
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Same comment to you as to David.
627
27/11/2020 07:34:00 1 4
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Wow you are so opinionated. And wrong
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27/11/2020 07:46:46 1 4
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You simply do not know that to be true. It’s supposition at best. Unless YOU actually asked each person their details and how they voted your post is meaningless tosh.
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27/11/2020 07:58:57 0 3
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I see your hidden meaning. Old people will die and the young know everything
It’s not a tantrum, people have views that you can’t see because you are too blinkered yourself
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27/11/2020 08:03:27 0 7
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You are having a laugh. Substantial no’s of working class people voted to leave with many of the well off people voting to stay in. To be honest we should have cut Scotland free and the vote for leave would have been even more positive
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27/11/2020 08:08:04 7 4
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Not all 55 and overs - I have skin in the game and am raging about Brexit. I have been for 4 years. I am now trying to sell my business. Why? Cos idiots up and down this land were sold a dream, peddled by snake oil merchants meaning that my livelihood is jeopardised. Brexit is a xenophobic nightmare.
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27/11/2020 08:22:19 0 6
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Many leavers are left-wingers who see the EU as a pro-big business monolith whose main aim is to drive down wages and keep unemployment high, as in Spain for example, where youth unemployment is 3 times the UK and corruption is rife. Good old EU eh?
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27/11/2020 08:22:22 1 4
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I tend to think it was more the middle aged people who voted for Brexit. The type who are now posting pictures of the Belgrano and Maradonnas coffin as a sign of British strength. Sad and pathetic.
Many OAPs like my mum were wiser.
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27/11/2020 08:27:05 3 4
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Aye. Time to end the "triple-lock" on pensions. The elderly are predominantly the ones who've caused this mess, they should be paying their share of the costs.
980
27/11/2020 08:27:11 3 5
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Let's remind ourselves of some facts...
28% people didn't vote
36% of 18-34s didn't
20% of 35-64s didn't
11% over 65+ didn't
I wonder how many of the above are the ones complaining most about the result....!!??
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27/11/2020 00:00:24 8 5
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Fishing is highly emotive but economically irrelevant. A fraction of one percent of our economy and we sell most of it o Europe anyway because we don't eat what we catch. Makes good tabloid headlines for Brexiteer consumption though.
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27/11/2020 00:20:33 3 5
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so tell me, why are the EU so determined to gain access to our territorial waters? Maybe its more then economics? Think man!!
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27/11/2020 00:11:11 528 213
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Feel the same Peter (00.06). While losing rights and opportunities in our own continent it's hard to care any more whether we have a really damaging outcome or a really, really damaging outcome. These people actually celebrate the loss of our rights and the there's a bitter part of me that thinks maybe they need to experience the economic pain of brexit then. We warned them for years.
Signed...yours, the tea leaf whisperer.
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27/11/2020 06:31:20 11 5
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Sorry, but as one of the 'pensioners' you refer to, I think your observations are clap-trap!
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27/11/2020 00:22:05 283 106
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All of those people who believed Trumps mate Nigel Farage Now we can see the evil of their common trait of using disinformation lies and bullying They succeed because people are gullible Extreme right dishonesty in bot UK and USA have been disastrous socially and economically
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27/11/2020 00:38:03 201 15
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Farage gained power because of the complete lack of interest the British people had in the EU and the pathetic turn out for electing EU representatives., Most younger voters never voted for MMP`s and when asked said not interested. So complacency won the day, or lost it depending on you're point of view.
27/11/2020 10:35:06 4 4
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You can't refer to the democratically elected groups as 'extreme'. By definition they're mainstream.

Extreme right means the edge of the distribution curve - so to the right it's EDL, BNP etc.

More appropriate to describe Corbyn as extreme left - as he was too far away from the centre of the curve to have a chance of getting elected.
27/11/2020 10:48:23 2 3
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you preferred Corbyns downright honesty instead?
27/11/2020 12:56:58 1 0
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It must be great to see the truth when so many other people are gullible.
27/11/2020 12:59:35 1 2
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STOP LISTENING TO BIAS FAKE NEWS MEDIA!!!

Boris will no deal!
Trump will continue to be president
27/11/2020 22:34:35 0 0
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You a liberal, by any chance?
27/11/2020 22:57:02 0 0
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And leftie policies hasn’t been disastrous socially and economically!!!??? I’m thinking the far left, left and middle of the road are gullible in believing the mainstream media BS. Trump has lost the election, not hearing any US policeman shooting dead blacks now, oh what a surprise ??
27/11/2020 23:07:50 0 1
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The only gullible people in this country are the ones who listen to the BBC and other Mainstream Media! They have the Plutocrats and Politicos of the Champagners in Brussells all over them..along with Monsato, Google, Amazon and not to mention quite a few others! You sound like the 'Borg'! Restistence is futile'''join the collective..for £39 Billion a year!
27/11/2020 23:51:10 0 0
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The USA was doing fantastic until Covid. Europe is suffering the same plight as the US and UK, but you fail to mention it. I wonder why?
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26/11/2020 23:48:24 519 185
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So let's take back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and give it to Boris's girlfriend instead
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27/11/2020 00:22:39 8 8
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He might object.
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27/11/2020 00:30:10 10 4
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Not if he knows what's good for him..
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27/11/2020 00:22:39 215 117
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Leave voters glued to their single Brexit supporting tabloid for all of their information, still under the ludicrous illusion that Brexit is going to be good for the UK. Unless of course they know it is going to damage the country? I guess they must, as they always say they knew exactly what they were voting for? What is it you call someone who damages their country now?
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27/11/2020 02:09:59 105 75
bbc
They know. Bunch of sociopathic potatoes who have failed in life. This is their revenge.
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27/11/2020 06:43:07 15 32
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You, and the rest of the Remoaners still cannot realise you LOST. Yes LOST. We voted to leave. No excuses, complaints, prejudicial logic, tantrum riddled moaning, recriminating finger pointing, YOU LOST, so PLEASE GO AND CRY ELSEWHERE.
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27/11/2020 06:44:23 12 4
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Patriotic apparently ??
27/11/2020 10:51:11 4 6
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you're a sore loser then?
xlr
27/11/2020 11:53:43 3 3
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Well, there's always sovereignty.

When Joe Biden allows it, that is
27/11/2020 13:09:47 1 1
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Of course Remainers like you are much better informed than the rest of us. It must be great to be so much more enlightened and better educated than the plebs.
27/11/2020 14:38:16 1 1
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You can believe it will cause economic "damage" and vote on non-economic advantages one sees. You are allowed to vote on political and social issues.

I voted leave expecting to be 2% worse off in 5 years than would have been if stayed. Which isn't 2% worse off than today. We'll still have growth. Just slower. But I obviously have different non-economic preferences to you. And that is ok.
27/11/2020 15:52:19 1 1
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And the bbc is impartial hahahaha grow up intern
27/11/2020 20:20:26 1 0
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I still have no idea what great and amazing Brexit will bring me. Higher prices and higher bureaucracy are no good news.
27/11/2020 22:37:33 0 0
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They weren't going to get the truth from Guardian, Indi or bbc
27/11/2020 23:21:26 0 0
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Lefties are well know for destroying their own country look at Sweden. Remember the German lefties at the train stations clapping (and holding placards, refugees welcome) at the arrival. Same year these refugees where involved in vile attacks on Germans on New Year’s Eve. Always wondered what these leftie idiots clapping thought of that, probably blamed their own people for it ??
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27/11/2020 00:09:08 7 19
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Just got once it would be nice to see democracy actually being honoured, people shouting they Trump should accept democracy, but those same people happily ignore the referendum result. Whatever you feelings about the result you should back this country shameful do many would rather back the Eu just to hurt their own country
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27/11/2020 00:22:57 10 5
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The referendum was non-binding fiasco based on lies, intended to paper over the cracks in the Tory Party. The US election was an election.
As leavers are now a minority, you have to question who the pariots really are
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26/11/2020 23:50:02 19 48
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The clock is ticking....We know. Bring it on and with it FREEDOM from EU Meddling in our affairs . Hopefully start legal proceeding against any and all former Prime Ministers that have knowingly gave British sovereign powers away in pursuit of the fabled United States of Europe punishing the working classes. The people have had enough. Britain to set up the Northern trading block to thwart the EU.
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27/11/2020 00:23:11 2 3
bbc
what a legend you are sir
mostly in your own lunchtime, but legend no less,
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27/11/2020 00:23:51 16 7
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So we are heading for chaos at the Channel ports from next year, because we haven't given enough time to negotiate a trade deal, whilst at the same time we need to transport Covid vacinne in bulk through those same ports. Is that stupid or stupid?
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27/11/2020 00:28:21 9 6
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Where speed is vital I think air freight most likely form of transport so don`t get too worried
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27/11/2020 00:32:40 7 4
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no its flipping stupid, or to give it its latin name berxit
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27/11/2020 00:32:59 4 4
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We've making the vacinne in this country - we'll be exporting it to countries that need it , not importing it
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27/11/2020 01:01:46 1 2
bbc
That "bulk" could be carried in a single plane. It's not like you have to be totally immersed in the vaccine for it to work....
27/11/2020 08:56:00 0 1
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Astra Zeneca is based in the UK isn't it?
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27/11/2020 00:02:24 530 146
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Living in Northern Ireland, I am about to experience the ongoing car crash of food imports from the UK.

These will require all the extra bureaucracy required to import from a 3rd country across the Irish Sea into what will still effectively be part of the EU.

Remind me again, how will Northern Ireland benefit from Brexit?
As part of the UK you get life saving vaccine before the EU. It’s not hard to admit, if you really want to.
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27/11/2020 00:29:10 70 16
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The vaccines are being manufactured in Belgium and Germany. People in the Uk will get the vaccines when these EU countries are ready to export.

Given the vaccines need to be stored and transported in a cold chain and have a finite shelf life I hope nothing happens in January that could slow movement of goods from the EU to UK.
548
27/11/2020 07:09:46 20 1
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What vaccine and when and hadn’t you noticed the first vaccine is part German? Suspect you’ll refuse that for a British vaccine....good luck.
27/11/2020 09:00:44 10 1
bbc
2 out of the 3 vaccines are US companies, of these
Pfizer does most of it's production in Ireland with the development done by a German company.

Germany has already announced plans to produce the glass vials needed for the scale out of vaccine production, and the logistics planning for mass vaccination.
So no you don't get the vaccine in the UK before the EU, rather the reverse is true.
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27/11/2020 00:24:30 10 11
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Thank you Mr Barnier for doing so much to help the British People during these dreadful times and with the Dreadful British Prime Minister Boris Johnson!
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27/11/2020 00:28:43 7 4
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Don't know how he manages to stay so calm.
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27/11/2020 00:25:32 12 12
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UK now more and more desperate. Climb down / U turn inevitable now....
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26/11/2020 23:48:24 519 185
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So let's take back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and give it to Boris's girlfriend instead
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27/11/2020 00:25:33 76 11
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Boris will give control to anyone dumb enough to take his poisoned chalice. He only ever wanted the limelight.
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27/11/2020 00:12:28 24 3
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Is it not possible to negotiate over Zoom?
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27/11/2020 00:26:11 7 2
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In all honesty, having negotiated for 30+ years, no
Details yes, negotiate no
And it is an entire country's future we are talking about, not some no-brainer hot deal for a measley few million quid
I like how they eek out these negotiations. Wring them for all they’re worth. Leak and brief to the media. The EU are really good at enlisting the help of remainers. Hey, maybe they should have conducted their vaccine contracts in public. I’ll bet remainers would have helped them get some vaccine before year’s end. They could have gaslighted that worthless pfizer into giving it 4 free. Snigger.
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27/11/2020 00:02:24 530 146
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Living in Northern Ireland, I am about to experience the ongoing car crash of food imports from the UK.

These will require all the extra bureaucracy required to import from a 3rd country across the Irish Sea into what will still effectively be part of the EU.

Remind me again, how will Northern Ireland benefit from Brexit?
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27/11/2020 00:26:59 25 90
bbc
All trade from the EU to UK will route through Ireland - almost certainly all airfreight if... there is no deal. Our negotiators have just about had enough with it all and the EU not realising UK doesn't need the EU.

We will have to re-engineer the economy to cope with Covid fallout and might as well start making stuff again. Electric cars, ships, steel.

EU - Mad dog barking.
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27/11/2020 00:29:55 11 74
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What ever results from bargaining with brats from Brussels, they simply look to their own and we are not that. It won't end well and doesn't matter 'cos the Country is in a mess and a very messy one, anyway. Show them two fingers and on we sail.
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27/11/2020 07:13:00 17 2
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The country does not make anything companies (mostly globally financed ) so how on earth do you think that we’ll have the capacity to do that then? You’re effectively talking nationalisation of whole sectors - don’t recall that going so well last time - British Leyland electric vehicles anyone! Business is global investment is global and cutting the biggest global market out is stupid
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27/11/2020 08:21:37 14 1
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Because it's so easy to re-engineer the economy and ramp up production of steel, ships, electric cars. We might as well start our own fully autonomous aerospace industry while we're at it... Utterly delusional
27/11/2020 10:43:16 3 1
bbc
I’m not following your logic ... Ireland is in the EU. The same rules would apply whether freight is routed through Ireland or mainland EU. Or are you advocating that NI become a smuggler’s paradise?
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27/11/2020 00:11:11 528 213
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Feel the same Peter (00.06). While losing rights and opportunities in our own continent it's hard to care any more whether we have a really damaging outcome or a really, really damaging outcome. These people actually celebrate the loss of our rights and the there's a bitter part of me that thinks maybe they need to experience the economic pain of brexit then. We warned them for years.
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27/11/2020 00:27:02 66 119
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What economic pain is this? The loss of an ANNUAL £93 Billion DEFICIT with the EU? Seems good to me. On a separate note; The average tariff will be approx. 3% on WTO terms. Don't believe the remainers inflated, lying figures.
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27/11/2020 01:23:30 69 28
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The problem with cutting all ties with the EU, to eradicate our trade deficit with them, is that we really would see a loss of affordable food. And, although not directly imported from the EU, they do own most of our electricity generating plants (we sold them!). If you think food imported from USA is cheaper, it isn't. Just shop at Costco and see what the bill is; imported items not cheap!
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27/11/2020 02:14:41 84 34
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Dear God is there no escape from Brexiter's ignorance?
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27/11/2020 00:10:30 467 228
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The more we go ahead the more brexiters will struggle to defend their brexit fiasco. Slowly slowly all the lies are coming out. And this is only the beginning. The difference between no deal and a thin deal is small. Brexit is damaging for the UK. Time for slogans is over. People that still support brexit should put their jobs on the line.
Walk the talk and own your mess now.
It is your fault.
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27/11/2020 00:27:46 17 89
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See my reply to David.
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27/11/2020 00:27:56 44 10
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I wonder how bojo will sell this latest u turn to the gullible
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27/11/2020 00:09:02 12 6
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* sigh *

Same, tired, tedious rhetoric. It's like time stands still for Brexiteers. Standing there, on the cliff of Kent, fists raised, shouting across the channel that everything is the EU's fault.

The hope is myopic buffoonery will soon end, but sadly it seems like some will take it to their grave.
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27/11/2020 00:27:56 9 5
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Sad to see the Brexiters' arrogance and ignorance taint the name of this country.
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27/11/2020 00:23:51 16 7
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So we are heading for chaos at the Channel ports from next year, because we haven't given enough time to negotiate a trade deal, whilst at the same time we need to transport Covid vacinne in bulk through those same ports. Is that stupid or stupid?
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27/11/2020 00:28:21 9 6
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Where speed is vital I think air freight most likely form of transport so don`t get too worried
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27/11/2020 00:24:30 10 11
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Thank you Mr Barnier for doing so much to help the British People during these dreadful times and with the Dreadful British Prime Minister Boris Johnson!
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27/11/2020 00:28:43 7 4
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Don't know how he manages to stay so calm.
Prolly the pension and the tax breaks help some
As part of the UK you get life saving vaccine before the EU. It’s not hard to admit, if you really want to.
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27/11/2020 00:29:10 70 16
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The vaccines are being manufactured in Belgium and Germany. People in the Uk will get the vaccines when these EU countries are ready to export.

Given the vaccines need to be stored and transported in a cold chain and have a finite shelf life I hope nothing happens in January that could slow movement of goods from the EU to UK.
27/11/2020 10:46:00 1 2
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Medicines are exempt from trade tariffs and get priority clearance at ALL ports.
27/11/2020 11:10:14 0 5
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AstraZeneca has entered manufacturing agreements with many countries including the UK. The vaccine will be made under licence by Oxford Biomedica in Oxford which last time I checked was still in the UK. Making stuff up to support your confirmation bias is silly don't you think?
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27/11/2020 00:04:11 579 267
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Absolutely loving that I've lost my rights and opportunities in 30 other countries of my own continent to be economically worse off too. Loving it. What a f'n brilliant idea it's all been.
What an intellectual desert you really are. Removed
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27/11/2020 06:18:25 18 6
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What's intellectually arid about David's analysis of his perception of lost opportunities?
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27/11/2020 00:29:32 7 8
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I will miss having a joint bank account with the Italians
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27/11/2020 01:29:12 3 3
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If we get a no deal you might be begging for one.
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27/11/2020 00:26:59 25 90
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All trade from the EU to UK will route through Ireland - almost certainly all airfreight if... there is no deal. Our negotiators have just about had enough with it all and the EU not realising UK doesn't need the EU.

We will have to re-engineer the economy to cope with Covid fallout and might as well start making stuff again. Electric cars, ships, steel.

EU - Mad dog barking.
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27/11/2020 00:29:55 11 74
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What ever results from bargaining with brats from Brussels, they simply look to their own and we are not that. It won't end well and doesn't matter 'cos the Country is in a mess and a very messy one, anyway. Show them two fingers and on we sail.
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27/11/2020 01:39:24 67 24
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On you sail, in a leaking, rat-infested ship, straight off the edge of a flat earth. The absurd optimism of the absurdity of Brexit still amazes me. The sad thing is that people continue to spout such tosh, when the EU continues to behave so reasonably. The UK's govt combines the antics of a spoilt teenager ("It's not fair") and the adaptability and dynamism of a senile geriatric. On you sail ...
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27/11/2020 07:13:41 12 1
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Where? Take a look at a map we’re part of Europe.
27/11/2020 10:30:12 4 1
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On we sail? We're not a boat, the UK was directly connected to the continent pre- Dogger bank flooding, most of the UK populace are descended from North Germanic, Denmark, and Netherlands tribes.

We left the EU, WE are the brats that threw the toys out of the pram, as the Tories were scared Farage was about to steal a few seats from them so had a referendum.

The UK was doing fine before Brexit.
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27/11/2020 00:22:39 8 8
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He might object.
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27/11/2020 00:30:10 10 4
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Not if he knows what's good for him..
The bulk of leavers were pensioners (7m) and 55-64 year olds (another 7m) who have little or no economic skin in the game. They had an ill-informed tantrum about forrin, austerity and 'other' (lumbago, a hankering for the 1970s, etc etc) and now hide behind a self-righteous and diminishing Cult, and give not a toss for the mess they caused ...... Removed
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27/11/2020 00:31:53 63 56
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Perhaps they have experience? Or are you saying only the young have a valid point of view?
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27/11/2020 03:21:52 20 16
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Perhaps they should have discussed it with their kids before gifting them Brexit on top of 2008, and now Covid.
No- wisdom is NOT handed out with the carriage clock; you are either born with it, or you are not
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27/11/2020 04:08:31 17 6
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Yes. They will have to put up with that decision. The pensioners have nothing to lose. This is not about voting for a government. This is a system change and should have been debated better and with true options on the table
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27/11/2020 00:28:43 7 4
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Don't know how he manages to stay so calm.
Prolly the pension and the tax breaks help some
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27/11/2020 00:23:51 16 7
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So we are heading for chaos at the Channel ports from next year, because we haven't given enough time to negotiate a trade deal, whilst at the same time we need to transport Covid vacinne in bulk through those same ports. Is that stupid or stupid?
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27/11/2020 00:32:40 7 4
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no its flipping stupid, or to give it its latin name berxit
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27/11/2020 00:23:51 16 7
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So we are heading for chaos at the Channel ports from next year, because we haven't given enough time to negotiate a trade deal, whilst at the same time we need to transport Covid vacinne in bulk through those same ports. Is that stupid or stupid?
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27/11/2020 00:32:59 4 4
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We've making the vacinne in this country - we'll be exporting it to countries that need it , not importing it
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27/11/2020 01:26:24 5 1
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Yep a vaccine thats 60% efficient against the American/German one thats 95%.
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27/11/2020 00:14:54 763 279
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To think one of the main sticking points is fishing. 0.1% of Britain's GDP. That whilst multi-billion sectors like financial services hardly get a mention. Madness.
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27/11/2020 00:27:51 88 72
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Exactly, the fishing industry hardly contributes to our economy and has very few people, so sacrifice it for something that's far more important like the financial services of the city of London.
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27/11/2020 01:49:18 83 132
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What does the financial services offer to the rest of the UK outside of London. Answer, nothing! It only services the business centre and does not permeate out from there at all. So, stop bleating on about an industry that only benefits those involved in it, pays itself exhorbitant bonuses even when making losses and doesn't give a flying fig about anyone or anything else!!
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27/11/2020 06:53:51 6 18
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Once again remain voters on here portray this as an issue for the U.K. government.

But fishing is only tiny for the EU, how low down the pecking order to be the fishing minister for Austria ? So why are they insisting on controlling our waters ?

Just a question
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27/11/2020 07:05:35 21 1
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Financial services are not part of this trade deal. Manufacturing is. IT represents a much higher proportion of our exports and employment but we are apparently willing to sacrifice it for fishing rights, much of which were sold off.
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27/11/2020 07:56:05 2 6
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It used to before quotas ruined the industry, quotas that were planned from the outset and benefitted the countries that are complaining now
History is longer then your memory
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27/11/2020 00:10:30 467 228
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The more we go ahead the more brexiters will struggle to defend their brexit fiasco. Slowly slowly all the lies are coming out. And this is only the beginning. The difference between no deal and a thin deal is small. Brexit is damaging for the UK. Time for slogans is over. People that still support brexit should put their jobs on the line.
Walk the talk and own your mess now.
It is your fault.
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27/11/2020 00:29:00 58 10
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The people that did support Brexit did put their jobs on the line ie Nissan workers at Sunderland, fishermen and farmers. All sadly gullible.
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27/11/2020 01:37:44 3 51
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You are the sort presumably that regards those that volenteered to fight in ww1 and every other defence of the nation as gullible then? No profit in it for them only potential downsides. Despicable remainer money basis to life.
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27/11/2020 00:02:35 50 10
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In the absence of pantomime
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27/11/2020 00:34:22 22 5
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It's behind you!
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27/11/2020 07:42:25 1 1
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Oh no it isn’t!