Covid-19: Preparation for NI vaccination programme in December
26/11/2020 | news | world | 32
Rollout will start with care home residents and staff, health and social care workers and those over 80.
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27/11/2020 10:34:31 3 5
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You first mr Swann
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27/11/2020 11:18:10 2 4
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Surely our illustrious and beloved leaders should be first in line? A jab in each cheek - might get them of their ar*e* for a change and into the real world?
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27/11/2020 11:47:21 4 2
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Good news on the face of it, but I shall reserve judgment on the effectiveness of any vaccines until I see some sort of empirical evidence based on scientific research published by the ECDC.
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27/11/2020 12:03:12 2 2
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There is insufficient evidence they are safe and efficacious, the trials are not designed to provide the required data. These novel mRNA vaccines have no historical precedence for regulatory approval, the MHRA has no data to approve them. See Doshi BMJ

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/
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27/11/2020 12:09:16 0 2
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Wannabe doctor, It's an opinion piece. You have absolutely no idea how a vaccine is validated.
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27/11/2020 12:08:28 3 2
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My FOIs to obtain the data submitted to MHRA by Pfizer and Astra Zeneca were refused on the excuse "not in the public interest". An imminent approval of a novel vaccine without first evaluating all the safety and trial data without conducting further trials, seems fool hardy. As my Latin master at Stowe used to say, Festina lente, make hast slowly. I have asked ICO to support my FOI requests.
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ME
28/11/2020 18:57:24 0 0
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“As my old Latin teacher used to say” ??????. As Master Yoda would say “The pretentiousness is sting in this one” ??
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27/11/2020 12:03:12 2 2
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There is insufficient evidence they are safe and efficacious, the trials are not designed to provide the required data. These novel mRNA vaccines have no historical precedence for regulatory approval, the MHRA has no data to approve them. See Doshi BMJ

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/
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27/11/2020 12:09:16 0 2
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Wannabe doctor, It's an opinion piece. You have absolutely no idea how a vaccine is validated.
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27/11/2020 12:20:17 1 0
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I think an ex-Porton scientist knows more than some fool.
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27/11/2020 12:12:08 3 1
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The running commentary in BMJ and the Lancet confirms my belief that they are jumping the gun, without first obtaining sufficient data to demonstrate safety, efficacy, long term immunity, a 7 year moratorium is needed to allow further trials and challenge studies. The Oxford group's trial ran into methodology issues, they now have to carry out a further trial with the lower dose for the over 55s.
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ME
28/11/2020 19:00:37 0 0
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You are so right - we need to let thousands more people die so that some over the hill retired doctor can satisfy his need for a 7 year study. Medicine has moved on since you were prescribing Toni grip bandages and aspirin for broken bones. This has been tested by professional scientists not 90 year old “quacks” wearing tin foil hats
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27/11/2020 12:13:30 4 1
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Have written to Swann et al regarding my concerns. I shall not be rushing for a jab without first appraising the evidence myself and I am a retired GP (TCD), 90.
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ME
28/11/2020 18:54:06 0 0
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So a 90 year old doctor with experience of prescribing leeches advises us not to take the vaccine. I will put my faith in modern doctors and those with current knowledge of medicine. You complain they haven’t sent the data to some random old retired doctor and so it’s not safe ????
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27/11/2020 12:19:43 2 2
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The politicians are reaching for a vaccine cure all out of desperation after they made a complete mess of test, track and trace. Vaccination will not prevent transmission. Smallpox is the only viral disease so far eliminated by vaccination.
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27/11/2020 12:09:16 0 2
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Wannabe doctor, It's an opinion piece. You have absolutely no idea how a vaccine is validated.
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27/11/2020 12:20:17 1 0
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I think an ex-Porton scientist knows more than some fool.
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ME
28/11/2020 18:55:26 0 0
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I’m guessing you drive a Ferrari and own a speedboat too - you tube is full of imaginary doctors like you
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27/11/2020 12:25:34 1 1
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Read this BMJ commentary the trials are not designed to inform on safety and efficacy. They need more time to evaluate data and they need more transparency on trials and publishing in peer review. Without evidence I will not agree to a jab.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037/rapid-responses
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27/11/2020 12:28:11 3 1
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There needs to be more trials done on these vaccines, the long term side effects have been completely ignored.
Remember the swine flu vaccine, it was reported that approximately 5% of people who took it during the trial phase had some form of brain damage later
Think about that
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27/11/2020 12:29:51 2 1
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Yes narcolepsy cases for Swine Flu, the problem with cov-19 vaccines is risks of immune enhancement. Current data is insufficient.
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27/11/2020 12:28:30 1 2
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Back in March this Nature article was already saying slow down on vaccines! What did I tell you.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00751-9
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27/11/2020 12:28:11 3 1
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There needs to be more trials done on these vaccines, the long term side effects have been completely ignored.
Remember the swine flu vaccine, it was reported that approximately 5% of people who took it during the trial phase had some form of brain damage later
Think about that
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27/11/2020 12:29:51 2 1
bbc
Yes narcolepsy cases for Swine Flu, the problem with cov-19 vaccines is risks of immune enhancement. Current data is insufficient.
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27/11/2020 12:30:57 2 4
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The vaccine provides immunity but so does having the virus and recovering. The majority show no symtoms (UCL 86%), but once over it have immunity it makes sense to vaccinate the 2% or so that are at risk of death first, tell the remaining who may develop mild to moderate symtoms to stay at home until they can get a wee vaccine shot and just open it all up.
Herd immunity in a matter of weeks.
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27/11/2020 12:37:19 2 2
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The puzzling result of the Oxford phase II study is in Nature. They have to do another one with the low dosage for the over 55s.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03326-w
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27/11/2020 12:39:19 3 2
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I would urge folk to email your MLAs, they are rushing this without sufficient data. The data should be open to public scrutiny, at present all we have are wee press releases and a phase II in Lancet.
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27/11/2020 13:56:50 2 1
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Dr R J Corder keep biting
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28/11/2020 20:23:55 0 0
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I am the only sane person with a brain on here!
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27/11/2020 15:53:05 1 2
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I hear Stormont wants to dole out voucher cards. First it was £200/household, then £200/person, then it was £75, now its only £50! Given that they made a Horlicks track and trace, RHI, windmills, and AD subs, what hope is there a vaccine will ever be delivered this side of next millennium? I would not hold your breathe folks. Cov-19 will be long gone before then.
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28/11/2020 20:23:31 0 0
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Yes they are unelectable. At each election we should boycott the Polling stations.
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28/11/2020 00:48:06 1 1
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Dr R J Corder go to bed, you've had enough to drink this evening.
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28/11/2020 20:18:52 0 0
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I don;t drink you fool.
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28/11/2020 13:00:39 0 0
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Till the vaccine is not available, precautions will only help. Contact Express Clinics for PPE kit.
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27/11/2020 12:13:30 4 1
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Have written to Swann et al regarding my concerns. I shall not be rushing for a jab without first appraising the evidence myself and I am a retired GP (TCD), 90.
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ME
28/11/2020 18:54:06 0 0
bbc
So a 90 year old doctor with experience of prescribing leeches advises us not to take the vaccine. I will put my faith in modern doctors and those with current knowledge of medicine. You complain they haven’t sent the data to some random old retired doctor and so it’s not safe ????
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27/11/2020 12:20:17 1 0
bbc
I think an ex-Porton scientist knows more than some fool.
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ME
28/11/2020 18:55:26 0 0
bbc
I’m guessing you drive a Ferrari and own a speedboat too - you tube is full of imaginary doctors like you
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27/11/2020 12:08:28 3 2
bbc
My FOIs to obtain the data submitted to MHRA by Pfizer and Astra Zeneca were refused on the excuse "not in the public interest". An imminent approval of a novel vaccine without first evaluating all the safety and trial data without conducting further trials, seems fool hardy. As my Latin master at Stowe used to say, Festina lente, make hast slowly. I have asked ICO to support my FOI requests.
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ME
28/11/2020 18:57:24 0 0
bbc
“As my old Latin teacher used to say” ??????. As Master Yoda would say “The pretentiousness is sting in this one” ??
7
27/11/2020 12:12:08 3 1
bbc
The running commentary in BMJ and the Lancet confirms my belief that they are jumping the gun, without first obtaining sufficient data to demonstrate safety, efficacy, long term immunity, a 7 year moratorium is needed to allow further trials and challenge studies. The Oxford group's trial ran into methodology issues, they now have to carry out a further trial with the lower dose for the over 55s.
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ME
28/11/2020 19:00:37 0 0
bbc
You are so right - we need to let thousands more people die so that some over the hill retired doctor can satisfy his need for a 7 year study. Medicine has moved on since you were prescribing Toni grip bandages and aspirin for broken bones. This has been tested by professional scientists not 90 year old “quacks” wearing tin foil hats
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28/11/2020 00:48:06 1 1
bbc
Dr R J Corder go to bed, you've had enough to drink this evening.
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28/11/2020 20:18:52 0 0
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I don;t drink you fool.
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28/11/2020 20:22:40 1 0
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MHRA replies to my FOIs on the data sets for Pfizer and Astra Zeneca, make pathetic excuses that it is exempt from supplying data, they also confirm however no market authorisation, so I doubt vaccination will be soon. Oxford now have to do another large scale phase III trial rather than an add on. Either way I shall not accept any vaccines without seeing the data.
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27/11/2020 15:53:05 1 2
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I hear Stormont wants to dole out voucher cards. First it was £200/household, then £200/person, then it was £75, now its only £50! Given that they made a Horlicks track and trace, RHI, windmills, and AD subs, what hope is there a vaccine will ever be delivered this side of next millennium? I would not hold your breathe folks. Cov-19 will be long gone before then.
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28/11/2020 20:23:31 0 0
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Yes they are unelectable. At each election we should boycott the Polling stations.
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27/11/2020 13:56:50 2 1
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Dr R J Corder keep biting
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28/11/2020 20:23:55 0 0
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I am the only sane person with a brain on here!
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28/11/2020 20:26:09 0 0
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I see a report suggesting an initial uptake of 30%. Probably lower as the data has not been transparent.