Coronavirus infections levelling during England lockdown
26/11/2020 | news | health | 2,219
But in Scotland infection rates appear to be rising, according to Office for National Statistics data.
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26/11/2020 12:08:16 195 77
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I refuse to believe I have more chance catching the disease in Birmingham/Manchester/Sheffield than London.

Stitch up.
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IJB
26/11/2020 12:20:05 92 116
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Bet you won't put it to the test, knuckle down and follow the guidelines
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26/11/2020 12:28:31 15 4
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Direct quote from article:

"In the east of England, London, the South East and South West, rates now appear to be decreasing too."

The data is also available by region on the gov website for your perusal.
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26/11/2020 12:45:06 5 4
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So you don't believe in facts?
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26/11/2020 12:49:28 7 2
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Could it be that more people are able to work from home in London than the north and midlands? Office workers can sometimes work anywhere on an internet hook up. A gas fitter couldn't.
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26/11/2020 13:14:26 12 9
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I refuse to believe that my small village in rural wiltshire is as dangerous as Covent Garden. Corruption and ineptitude. very few will spent the next month not meeting up with any loved ones, lunacy
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26/11/2020 13:20:03 8 4
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100% So the politicians can go out and get pissed
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26/11/2020 13:20:56 3 1
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Large parts of London are now empty in the normal busy times.
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26/11/2020 14:16:32 2 6
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Numbers don't lie. Try using soap up North - we know its cold p there but....
26/11/2020 15:25:31 3 0
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Nonsense . My sons live in South London where infection rate less than 130 per 100000. Significantly less than any you mention and the rural area of Daventry where my elderly mother lives . The only stitch up is the tosh you are spreading .
26/11/2020 15:41:14 3 0
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You may not do - Londoners moan a lot less so probably don't know their symptomatic - they just get on with it

The nanny state hasn't been bailing them out for 4 decades as their regions since to have any point in existing
26/11/2020 16:06:04 1 0
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You're aptly named, it's based on facts there's no London conspiracy
26/11/2020 17:44:10 0 1
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Of course you are - hashtag outraged offended snowflake?
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Joe
26/11/2020 12:08:33 5 1
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Well if that’s the case then fingers crossed us lot in the south west can get level with Cornwall in two weeks time then ??
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26/11/2020 12:08:40 14 14
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Don’t worry the Christmas muppets will drive it up again.
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IJB
26/11/2020 12:21:01 4 3
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Cancel Christmas shopping, holidays and everything else to do with it
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26/11/2020 12:33:56 1 1
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That's a given.
Pubs & clubs should remain closed until the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.
Furlough their employees & set up grants to cover ongoing costs & to get them going again but keep them closed.
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26/11/2020 12:08:42 23 3
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Berkshire is an interesting anomaly on the list: Slough in Tier 3, but the rest of the county in Tier 2. This, after Monday's Parliamentary debate where PM Johnson, upon being asked by a Tory backbench MP why Tiers couldn't be applied at a district level, replied that they had to draw a line somewhere and that line couldn't even be at county level, let alone a district one; it had to be regional.
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26/11/2020 12:18:08 25 9
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Berkshire is an interesting anomaly on the list: Slough in Tier 3, but the rest of the county in Tier 2. This, after...PM Johnson, [said] that....that line couldn't even be at county level, let alone a district one; it had to be regional.

Yes:
Slough - different demographic.
Rest of Berkshire - Tory MP's country homes
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26/11/2020 12:25:42 2 1
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The argument was about boroughs in London. In deciding the tiers they need to take into account how connected areas are. If a lot of people travel between two areas for work, school and shopping they are obviously linked.

I guess Slough is considered reasonably self-contained.
37p
26/11/2020 17:05:23 0 0
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Berkshire only exists as a ceremonial county.
It was split into unitary authorities because east and west have completely different profiles. This is why they have been treated as different regions for the tiers.
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Hex
26/11/2020 12:08:43 10 6
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Will rise again over Christmas then we'll have another lockdown in January.
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26/11/2020 12:10:51 6 3
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But how do you think people will behave this Christmas without being allowed out to the pubs in the run up ?
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26/11/2020 12:09:14 14 13
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Proof that a shorter lockdown three weeks earlier would have saved lives and cost less!
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26/11/2020 12:09:26 105 75
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So infections are rising in London & SE yet the govt is placing these areas in Tier 2.

Yet, months ago there was no such hesitation putting most of North under the harshest restrictions.

Nowt like the tories protecting the South yet again, is there?
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26/11/2020 12:17:51 73 31
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"In the east of England, London, the South East and South West, rates now appear to be decreasing too."

Beggars belief that a comment by someone with an axe to grind that is directly contradicted by the article is currently the second most upvoted comment.
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26/11/2020 12:19:44 10 5
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Ok so why is it that 65% of all deaths in past 4 weeks are in the north, if it were even we would all be in the same tier.
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26/11/2020 12:22:06 6 5
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Cal me cynical but considering the labour opposition cabinet is very London heavy, I wouldn’t have expected anything different from them. It is a north south divide in both parties
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26/11/2020 12:26:11 14 6
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Please don't let the actual facts mentioned in the article get in the way of your obvious anti South view point!
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26/11/2020 12:32:14 10 9
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In very large part the northern voters put BJ in number 10. Please, please remember where you come from next time you vote.
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26/11/2020 12:35:59 8 3
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I guess reading or comprehension aren't your strong points.
The article says the exact opposite of what you claim.
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26/11/2020 13:00:03 7 1
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Cases are not rising in London and the South East, they’re falling with the exception of small areas like Kent which is in tier 3 anyway.
I live in West Berkshire which has one of the lowest rates in the country but is still in tier 2, even though cases are falling and hospitals aren’t full. Really it should be in tier 1.
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26/11/2020 13:16:57 6 1
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That old northern shoulder chip rising up again!
26/11/2020 14:35:06 4 1
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My god, please grow up and read the article fully. No matter what happens people like you have to somehow blame the south. What makes me laugh though is Northerners don’t stop talking about how friendly they are, well not on here.
26/11/2020 17:26:55 0 0
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"So infections are rising in London & SE yet the govt is placing these areas in Tier 2."

Rising from a low figure, and still with rates lower than much of the north. It isn't just about the trend.
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26/11/2020 12:09:30 61 33
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EVERYONE IN YORKSHIRE SHOULD TRAVEL TO LONDON FOR A PINT....JOHNSON IS A DISGRACE...LONDON HAS HIGHER INFECTION RATES, BUT GOES INTO 2......
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26/11/2020 12:11:06 14 5
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+1
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26/11/2020 12:16:30 5 12
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Utter rubbish, just make sure your ferret adheres to the rules
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26/11/2020 12:29:23 5 1
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Since York and North Yorkshire is the same level as London what would be the point? In fact people in Slough and parts of Kent should probably come up to to your part of the world for a pint.
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26/11/2020 12:37:31 8 1
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Feel free, but be aware the pint will cost £6 and the 'substantial' meal you have to order at the same time probably will set you back a score.
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Lde
26/11/2020 12:47:51 1 1
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Yes, and while you are there pop in to see a show at The Royal Albert Hall with the other 30k during December
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26/11/2020 13:01:49 2 1
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What have London done to you for you to wish that on them?
26/11/2020 17:07:26 1 0
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Everyone from the Midlands and the North should travel to London to let them know how we feel. I’ll be damned if I will spend any money there.
26/11/2020 17:22:03 0 0
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No it doesn't and please stop shouting, it doesn't help your argument and you'll damage your throat!
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26/11/2020 12:10:00 7 15
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had this been a war the costs and how we're going to pay for it would be irrelevant
This pandemic is as bad as a war
Shut down
ensure that all business' and jobs are pretected
make sure people can afford food & to live
keep the lockdown until we are through this instead of stop / start / stop / start
and as after the 2nd world war, we'll deal with the cost afterwards
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26/11/2020 12:20:07 2 4
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Getting to the point where I'd rather be at war. At least then, we'd know who the real enemy is.
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26/11/2020 12:10:14 171 12
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Throughout this pandemic since its onset, many countries in Europe having been following similar infection patterns to us, albeit slightly ahead of us. Looking at data from the likes of Spain and France, infections are declining there, so we’ll likely follow suit.

The similar patterns suggest we’re all doing the same things right/wrong, and/or we’ve reached limits to controlling infections.
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26/11/2020 12:43:53 192 162
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We've reach the limits. Being an island we should have followed Taiwan and New Zealand. Locking down hard and fast and making sure any and all travellers into the country are isolated for 14 days.

But we didn't because gammons be all "oh my rights!"....the 50k that died where were their rights?
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26/11/2020 12:53:12 7 22
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Or that nothing any of us does affects the pattern of infection because it's airborne.
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jim
26/11/2020 13:39:57 15 14
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I don't think any other country *encouraged* people to go to gastro pubs and restaurants or to go back to the office 'if practical'. The very fact that we were hit later should have meant that we were hit more lightly - the UK had weeks to prepare defenses, weeks Boris wasted shaking hands with the sick and nearly dying for his hubris.
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26/11/2020 13:49:01 3 6
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This isn't right. New Zealand have got it sorted and so have Australia to a slightly lesser extent. We could have controlled it properly if we'd acted harder and faster initially but we dallied and then we have those too good for the rules. Even now we could still get it under control but we won't.
26/11/2020 16:03:13 0 0
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This time round France imposed a 9pm curfew Spain also has had a much restricter regime than the UK don't expect the same patterns if the conditions have changed
26/11/2020 17:38:09 0 0
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The second wave has been far worse in continental Europe than UK - the tragedy of wave one sobered us up more I suspect!
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26/11/2020 12:10:25 86 16
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They are basically just extending the lockdown but allowing shops to reopen. To be honest they shouldn't have been shut in the first place. Get used to this for the next few months...
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26/11/2020 12:11:43 48 18
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Apart from London where bars and restaurants can reopen.
26/11/2020 15:09:54 4 0
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Infections in Wales are the the highest per capita of the UK it says in this article, the firebreak or whatever it's called achieved nothing.
26/11/2020 16:26:13 2 0
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Fair enough. I have food in the fridge, a warm house and tv. It's cold, dark, foggy and damp outside. I'm happy to sit tight for a couple of months and wait for my vaccine. Why isn't everyone else?
26/11/2020 17:02:56 1 1
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Why should we? Trashing our hospitality industry is not acceptable.
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Hex
26/11/2020 12:08:43 10 6
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Will rise again over Christmas then we'll have another lockdown in January.
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26/11/2020 12:10:51 6 3
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But how do you think people will behave this Christmas without being allowed out to the pubs in the run up ?
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26/11/2020 12:10:54 14 13
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This shows that the lockdown isn’t being observed or applied. It should have levelled almost immediately. Nearly four weeks in, we should be seeing huge drops in cases, admissions and a levelling off of deaths. We are exiting lockdown at the point we should be entering
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26/11/2020 12:15:03 11 5
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Incorrect there is an elapsed time between getting it, developing it and/or passing it on. Default is a minimum of 28 days.
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26/11/2020 12:16:08 3 2
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There is a lot of hysteresis in the system, but you are right, we should have seen levelling off in the first two weeks. These statistics cover the week to 20 November - almost exactly the first two weeks of the lockdown.

We should expect t see further improvements for the next two weeks then it will start to go up as the new tier system filters through.
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26/11/2020 12:38:04 1 1
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No. It simply shows that the initial, primary causes of outbreaks, schools and people going to work were not included in the lockdown,
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26/11/2020 12:48:37 2 0
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Wrong.
It takes days before people develop symptoms & get tested, then it takes 7-10 for the number of new infections to level off & another 2-3 weeks for the number of deaths to fall.
The current fall in infections fits this pattern exactly.
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26/11/2020 12:09:30 61 33
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EVERYONE IN YORKSHIRE SHOULD TRAVEL TO LONDON FOR A PINT....JOHNSON IS A DISGRACE...LONDON HAS HIGHER INFECTION RATES, BUT GOES INTO 2......
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26/11/2020 12:11:06 14 5
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+1
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26/11/2020 12:11:14 4 5
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Like last lockdown they level off release too early and then in a months time will rise again, let’s hope the tier 3 has some effect otherwise post Xmas the figures will be huge again.
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26/11/2020 12:11:42 417 172
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The total number of infections is meaningless, it is the profile of the people catching it which is important

This second wave of infections was due to schools and unis going back hence, not vulnerable groups the death rate much lower

The geographic tier system is a bit of a joke. The Government should be focussing on risk groups where ever they are & letting everyone else get on with life
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26/11/2020 12:18:03 311 193
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695 deaths yesterday due to Covid That’s is high in my book
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26/11/2020 12:25:44 48 36
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At what point will you find the death rate unacceptable ?

Still rising :-

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
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26/11/2020 12:27:05 80 31
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It doesn't matter how many times you say it, the second wave was not solely caused by schools and unis. The ordinary joes not adhering to basic rules also had a major effort. The death rate is lower because the NHS knows how to treat it better, and also the better screening of the vulnerable.
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26/11/2020 12:33:15 50 44
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What's risky then ?

There are 15.5 million over 60 (23% of population) in U.K, of which 11.4 million over 65, then add in all the at risk in all age groups, obesity, diabetes, asthma, smokers amongst others.

Not quite so easy to protect all. When the hospitals are full of Covid patients of all ages needing treatment to recover then the death rates will rise significantly for all age groups.
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26/11/2020 12:33:45 21 55
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Tommy, eat out to help out was a main driver behind rise ... probably the main driver IMO but get your point
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26/11/2020 12:42:28 23 13
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The total number of infections is absolutely important. The higher the number of infections, the greater the chance of passing it on to vulnerable individuals (not only 70+).
Your comment supports the attitude of many who think they don't need to take precautions because they're not at risk of a serious case.
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26/11/2020 12:43:28 15 1
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So many experts on this ,unbelievable
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26/11/2020 12:53:41 6 10
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Of course Mr SAGE..

Can you send your recommendations over to the PM please?

We might just be able to stop this virus in its tracks...

Hind sight is a wonderful thing isn't it? especially for those sat at home in front of their keyboards...
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26/11/2020 12:54:40 3 3
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Thank you for explaining that Doctor.
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26/11/2020 12:54:52 15 10
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The numbers started rising 3 weeks after pubs reopened in July & had already increased threefold before schools & universities reopened.
7 day average mid July (this is well before any school/uni transmission would register).
Pubs/clubs/holidays to blame.

You CANNOT protect at risk groups without applying blanket restrictions to everyone.
Think about it...
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26/11/2020 12:57:20 14 7
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Absolutely. It has always been a no brainer. If you are in a risk group you should be shielded and supported. The Govt should throw their cash at those people. Give then say, £5k, free WiFi, free shopping, free Netflix etc...it would be far more effective and cheaper, and far less damaging to society.
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26/11/2020 13:01:39 8 4
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Yeah yeah yeah. It's all to do with schools and uni. Nothing to do with dumpty not using their brain. WASH HANDS - MAKE SPACE. It is not difficult.
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26/11/2020 13:05:21 4 3
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The profile of those infected is carefully monitored and reported in detail by ONS.

To say "number of infections is meaningless" is flippant, especially when many infected young people still visit / live-with parents who visit grandparents, hence the change in infection profile over time (if you bothered to look!).
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26/11/2020 13:10:43 3 1
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bet you're upset trump lost
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26/11/2020 12:10:25 86 16
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They are basically just extending the lockdown but allowing shops to reopen. To be honest they shouldn't have been shut in the first place. Get used to this for the next few months...
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26/11/2020 12:11:43 48 18
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Apart from London where bars and restaurants can reopen.
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26/11/2020 12:14:43 16 5
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Yeah, what a surprise that is.
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26/11/2020 12:40:48 7 1
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Restaurants will reopen. Pubs and bars won't, if they can only serve alcohol with 'substantial meals'.
26/11/2020 16:26:57 0 0
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Yet again someone who just doesn't understand the guidance...
26/11/2020 17:20:38 2 0
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"Apart from London where bars and restaurants can reopen"

Bars cannot open in tier 2 unless they are also restaurants.
26/11/2020 17:26:18 0 0
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Because they're mostly empty ...
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26/11/2020 12:12:03 150 81
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No data will be published that has Been used to decide the tier system. What’s surprise that London is in tier 2 with virtually the rest of the country in tier 3. As long as we protect the London economy and tourism. Can’t trust this government at all. Not lockdown after 2/12? Really? This is a lockdown for half the country. No wonder jobs are being lost !!! No confidence in the government
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26/11/2020 12:21:53 101 70
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"In the east of England, London, the South East and South West, rates now appear to be decreasing too."

Oh yes, must be a illuminati conspiracy to protect the South, clearly not based on data whatsoever.

Dear God when will this country learn to read ...
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26/11/2020 12:43:50 13 23
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If Northerners could move on beyond their us vs them tribalism it would help the country as a whole, but mostly it would help them. Please stop listening to Andy Burhnam - he's only in it for himself and just because he speaks like you doesn't mean he cares about or understands you.
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26/11/2020 12:53:56 11 9
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Sedition against this corrupt and inept Government is the only way forwards.
26/11/2020 15:47:29 0 1
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Because half of the southerners migrate up north and bring their virus with them when they catch sight of any local lockdowns being imposed. Its bad enough we get flooded with their snotty nosed offspring spreading the virus like wildfire but now we have then ignorant parents travelling up here for a nice jolly away from the smog.
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26/11/2020 12:13:08 10 4
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Too little data receiving too much scrutiny by people with agendas.

It is trends over time not snapshots that we need to follow
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Bob
26/11/2020 12:13:09 231 64
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So when London is ok everyone else needs to lockdown

and when London was not ok everyone else still needed to lockdown.

Says a lot.
Time to overthrow this corrupt and inept Government. Removed
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26/11/2020 13:15:12 16 22
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Indeed.
It says you are incapable of comprehending what the information available actually means.
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26/11/2020 13:42:54 15 20
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Why should London lockdown? Infection numbers are still higher in the North so why shouldn't the North be Tier 3?

Maybe concentrate on not spreading the disease around, then you won't be Tier 3!!!
26/11/2020 14:36:24 3 5
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LETS ALL GO TO LONDON FOR A KNEES UP
26/11/2020 17:02:52 4 0
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It says you have an obsessive chip on your shoulder.
PS have you heard anyone in Kent whining like all that noise a few weeks ago?
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26/11/2020 12:13:34 9 12
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Who gives a shi7 except politicians and the dogmatic media?
This is a virus. Ffs
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26/11/2020 12:14:24 34 19
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Let’s be straight the lockdown was a Trojan horse to implement tougher restrictions in the tier system.

Now we are all tier 2 or 3 for the foreseeable.

Watching Hancock he loves the power he holds by eliminating freedoms.
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IJB
26/11/2020 12:18:43 7 23
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Government showed great tactical strength
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26/11/2020 12:22:36 3 7
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Exactly the same thing is being said about Sturgeon in Scotland... by deluded covidiots who are convinced that their "freedoms" are more important than the public good
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26/11/2020 12:23:14 1 4
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Be s good boy Simon....do as your told.
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26/11/2020 12:11:43 48 18
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Apart from London where bars and restaurants can reopen.
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26/11/2020 12:14:43 16 5
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Yeah, what a surprise that is.
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26/11/2020 12:10:54 14 13
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This shows that the lockdown isn’t being observed or applied. It should have levelled almost immediately. Nearly four weeks in, we should be seeing huge drops in cases, admissions and a levelling off of deaths. We are exiting lockdown at the point we should be entering
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26/11/2020 12:15:03 11 5
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Incorrect there is an elapsed time between getting it, developing it and/or passing it on. Default is a minimum of 28 days.
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26/11/2020 13:02:07 0 3
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Not incorrect. 4 weeks later and it’s steady means lockdown hasn’t worked. Look at last time
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26/11/2020 12:15:08 161 36
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"had this been a war the costs and how we're going to pay for it would be irrelevant
This pandemic is as bad as a war"

No, no it's really not. Self-evidentially and on every dimension, it's really, really not. I'm no covidiot but you're just not right that everything else should be sacrificed, no matter the cost to protect life - the cost needs to be proportionate.
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Rob
26/11/2020 13:05:37 75 40
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That has been the case since March. It's too late now though, we live in a completely brainwashed society. It'll be a couple of years before the vast majority wake up to what they have consented to, probably when they're burying the elderly relatives (after a deterioration of their dementia) they so desperately tried to prevent from catching Covid
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26/11/2020 13:12:22 11 19
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67,000 civilians died in 2nd World War in UK in 6 years. In less than 1 year we've have had 56,000 excess deaths. Very comparable and with only 1 fortieth of the population confirmed infected. 1.5m
With 450,000 total UK deaths in WW2 the 1% (approx) death rate from Covid would estimate we exceed WW2 total without controls, 600,000. Let alone other impacts.

So take it seriously.
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26/11/2020 13:51:00 4 7
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So at what level of cost do you think your own life should be sacrificed?
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CT
26/11/2020 14:13:30 3 8
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Have you considered that a lot of the 'overeaction' as many people seem to call the lockdowns, by governments is the very real risk the virus mutates into something far more deadly?
26/11/2020 15:12:47 2 6
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If we were at war and lost over 50k combatants lives in 6 months.....we would have surrendered.
26/11/2020 15:48:07 7 1
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Nonsense, of corse it's not like the war, you need to look at film of what it was actually like, my family had a direct hit and lost everything except the clothes they were in at the time. Rationing unil 1953, the country was a mess for years. If this had been handled properly without the crazy panic, isolate the vunerable and get on with life, things would be a lot better.
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26/11/2020 12:07:54 14 9
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Winter Of Discontent, here we come.

Lockdowns and No Deal Brexit chaos = a very unhappy population.
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26/11/2020 12:15:30 93 39
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Every policy ignores basic data, causes vastly more harm than good, obliterates civil liberties,
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IJB
26/11/2020 12:17:43 42 127
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Total lockdown required again, it's the only way
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26/11/2020 12:15:55 263 27
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How many people will pass through the doors of Meadowhall Shopping Centre weekend after 02.12.2020.....and the pubs/restaurants have to remain closed ?

Lunacy.
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26/11/2020 12:56:21 32 228
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Guess you are a desperate drinker at heart, oh why are you not running the virus directive, maybe because deep down you know what volumes of alcohol consumption do and stuff the rest, BBC well aware of what they have started again.
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jim
26/11/2020 13:31:11 10 14
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Booze and food sold in pubs etc. counts towards GDP but it doesn't make the country richer in any meaningful way. We need to protect the important parts of the economy from Covid.
I'm sorry if your livelyhood is gone, mine is gone too but without the first lockdown I would have spread Covid (I had it) to dozens of overweight, middle aged engineers - the death of any one of whom would cost millions
26/11/2020 14:28:29 9 10
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I think the subtext is that most drinkers cannot be trusted to behave responsibly and some landlords are not interested in marshalling them, so the gov has shut them down. Good choice I say. They had their chance and blew it.

My heart goes out to the good landlords and the restaurants lumped in with the bad eggs.
26/11/2020 14:35:21 2 0
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I'll reply to the highest-rated comment here as it's pointless replying anywhere else in this stupid HYS format!

Yes, the greatest rate of infection has been amongst children & students; who'd have thought opening schools & University's would have had such an outcome?! Anyone with a half brain!
Pip
26/11/2020 15:57:05 1 0
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Be interested to see who gets blamed with the pubs shut.........?
26/11/2020 16:00:50 0 0
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Shopping malls tend to be big structures where volume of air is considerably more than a small pub
26/11/2020 16:08:11 2 0
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Lunacy, why? 10 minutes with a mask in a shop compared to 4 hours in a bar, no mask. Completely different risk level.
pTc
26/11/2020 16:55:05 0 0
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Our household rule is to avoid that place from November to February, it is utter madness at the best of time.
26/11/2020 17:02:55 0 0
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Yes. Everything should be open.
27/11/2020 04:53:02 0 0
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Shops have always been the main carrier of the virus, it was plain to see from day 1. Schools are number 2 with workplaces 3rd. Pubs & restaurants are proven not to be a major spreader because they have been shut whilst we all zoom up in tiers. Agree lunacy.
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26/11/2020 12:15:56 27 5
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The only real certainty with these lockdowns is the more that are implemented the harder the economy is being hit.
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26/11/2020 12:10:54 14 13
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This shows that the lockdown isn’t being observed or applied. It should have levelled almost immediately. Nearly four weeks in, we should be seeing huge drops in cases, admissions and a levelling off of deaths. We are exiting lockdown at the point we should be entering
30
26/11/2020 12:16:08 3 2
bbc
There is a lot of hysteresis in the system, but you are right, we should have seen levelling off in the first two weeks. These statistics cover the week to 20 November - almost exactly the first two weeks of the lockdown.

We should expect t see further improvements for the next two weeks then it will start to go up as the new tier system filters through.
8
26/11/2020 12:09:30 61 33
bbc
EVERYONE IN YORKSHIRE SHOULD TRAVEL TO LONDON FOR A PINT....JOHNSON IS A DISGRACE...LONDON HAS HIGHER INFECTION RATES, BUT GOES INTO 2......
31
26/11/2020 12:16:30 5 12
bbc
Utter rubbish, just make sure your ferret adheres to the rules
27
26/11/2020 12:15:30 93 39
bbc
Every policy ignores basic data, causes vastly more harm than good, obliterates civil liberties,
32
IJB
26/11/2020 12:17:43 42 127
bbc
Total lockdown required again, it's the only way
65
26/11/2020 12:22:57 34 7
bbc
Nonsense, they do not work and cause far greater damage to health and the economy.
fcough Removed
You've just heard how badly the economy's been damaged by the lockdowns. And you still want more of them. Just how desperate are you to f**k things up for the next generation? Removed
253
26/11/2020 12:50:21 6 24
bbc
You are absolutely correct. But it won't happen. Too much noise from business and leftie councils.
429
26/11/2020 13:07:40 15 5
bbc
You are a clown.
518
26/11/2020 13:18:14 16 4
bbc
Total lockdown is not required again and if it does happen there will be nothing left for us or future generations. You stay hidden behind your sofa and careful you don't fall down the stairs to get there as far more likely to die from that than COVID. Must be nice to have to worry about money, housing, food and your own sanity!
703
26/11/2020 13:43:03 6 0
bbc
Presumably this means you will be happy to live on universal credit for the rest of your life given the economic devastation this would cause. Assuming of course the Government could still afford to pay it.
26/11/2020 14:45:28 1 0
bbc
Move to N.Korea, I think you would be happy there
26/11/2020 16:34:06 0 0
bbc
Pointless. Far more people are ignoring this lockdown than the first one. Another lockdown would be completely ineffective. Shutting down shops where people are in a controlled environment but ignoring millions who happily trip in and out of each other's houses on a daily basis is plain daft.
26/11/2020 17:26:43 0 0
bbc
There have now been so many scientific studies showing that lockdowns have had no effect.
26/11/2020 20:16:17 0 0
bbc
Why not cull all over the age of 70, and anyone in a hospital, they seem to be the ones dying.
33
26/11/2020 12:17:46 16 11
bbc
No data at all suggests that lockdowns and or the tiers work.
56
26/11/2020 12:21:29 2 6
bbc
No data shows it don't.
533
26/11/2020 13:20:34 0 1
bbc
The number of infections show they most certainly DO.
7
26/11/2020 12:09:26 105 75
bbc
So infections are rising in London & SE yet the govt is placing these areas in Tier 2.

Yet, months ago there was no such hesitation putting most of North under the harshest restrictions.

Nowt like the tories protecting the South yet again, is there?
34
26/11/2020 12:17:51 73 31
bbc
"In the east of England, London, the South East and South West, rates now appear to be decreasing too."

Beggars belief that a comment by someone with an axe to grind that is directly contradicted by the article is currently the second most upvoted comment.
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26/11/2020 12:29:16 7 5
bbc
Not so. do the research, instead of shooting from your clueless hip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
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26/11/2020 12:11:42 417 172
bbc
The total number of infections is meaningless, it is the profile of the people catching it which is important

This second wave of infections was due to schools and unis going back hence, not vulnerable groups the death rate much lower

The geographic tier system is a bit of a joke. The Government should be focussing on risk groups where ever they are & letting everyone else get on with life
35
26/11/2020 12:18:03 311 193
bbc
695 deaths yesterday due to Covid That’s is high in my book
95
26/11/2020 12:27:25 67 17
bbc
No, 695 deaths announced yesterday. The actual dates are spread over at least a week.
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26/11/2020 12:28:21 147 43
bbc
You're missing the point Aminur. The deaths are mostly (if not all) in the 70+ range. Protect them, but let the rest who are low risk to carry on as normal (99.99% survival rate in working age people). This lockdown system makes no sense other than to cripple the economy and bankrupt the nation. By all mean, if people are young and frightened, they can stay in personal lockdown if they wish.
109
26/11/2020 12:29:50 44 14
bbc
What was their average age?
112
26/11/2020 12:30:09 110 60
bbc
695 deaths with a dodgy PCR positive test.
Until they tell us how many people have died OF Covid, I can't accept anything they say.
162
26/11/2020 12:24:56 62 18
bbc
With Covid possibly, not because of, world of difference.
169
26/11/2020 12:38:42 23 17
bbc
"with" or "suspected with" covid not "of " covid
186
26/11/2020 12:41:08 22 19
bbc
We need that figure broken down to age, sex, ethnicity and area. That will give a truer picture. That figure is 0.00001% of the population of the UK. I'd call that figure low.
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mc
26/11/2020 12:29:56 10 7
bbc
coincidence it went up yesterday not
234
26/11/2020 12:47:46 26 15
bbc
They died WITH COVID not due to.
259
26/11/2020 12:51:25 20 12
bbc
Not due to covid. 'Within 28 days of a positive test' for RNA of virus Sars-Cov-2. Not the same thing and does not indicate cause of death, especially when lots of people are catching it once they have arrived in hospital. Also, for context, lots of people die every day and, sadly, that is the nature of things.
285
26/11/2020 12:54:04 8 3
bbc
Reported yesterday - not actually yesterday
453
mc
26/11/2020 12:57:50 2 6
bbc
only went up yesterday tjusrify their deceipt to the people, never believed the figures were real in the first place
4
26/11/2020 12:08:42 23 3
bbc
Berkshire is an interesting anomaly on the list: Slough in Tier 3, but the rest of the county in Tier 2. This, after Monday's Parliamentary debate where PM Johnson, upon being asked by a Tory backbench MP why Tiers couldn't be applied at a district level, replied that they had to draw a line somewhere and that line couldn't even be at county level, let alone a district one; it had to be regional.
36
26/11/2020 12:18:08 25 9
bbc
Berkshire is an interesting anomaly on the list: Slough in Tier 3, but the rest of the county in Tier 2. This, after...PM Johnson, [said] that....that line couldn't even be at county level, let alone a district one; it had to be regional.

Yes:
Slough - different demographic.
Rest of Berkshire - Tory MP's country homes
37
26/11/2020 12:18:25 3 9
bbc
Cue all the "arm chair experts" who disagree...
45
26/11/2020 12:20:19 6 5
bbc
My cat's got more of a clue than Hancock.
38
cba
26/11/2020 12:18:39 8 7
bbc
Now the truth comes out north and south divide pretty obvious now isnt it
We will probably see massive spikes as the whole of the north dont follow the rules as they feel harshly treated so the whole of the country will be on full lockdown by christmas anyway
39
JWS
26/11/2020 12:18:42 181 60
bbc
Councils and NHS calling for the destruction of businesses with harsh lockdowns and then bleating about pay. Disgraceful
549
26/11/2020 13:22:24 82 142
bbc
Sorry I have no sympathy left. You should take responsibility for your own actions, if you voted Conservative then this is what you get.

Nobody's fault apart from those that voted for this inept government.
26/11/2020 14:23:39 15 3
bbc
Of course, those that produce the wealth for public pending/ services are exclusively business and private sector jobs, public sector drains wealth, it doesn’t create it, hardly a penny, the private sector and business must be the most protected and subsidised if need be otherwise there will be no money for anyone/anything
26/11/2020 16:07:02 0 0
bbc
Tell that to the Doctors and nurses
26/11/2020 16:49:54 0 0
bbc
Who says the NHS staff and councils have been calling for lockdowns?
22
26/11/2020 12:14:24 34 19
bbc
Let’s be straight the lockdown was a Trojan horse to implement tougher restrictions in the tier system.

Now we are all tier 2 or 3 for the foreseeable.

Watching Hancock he loves the power he holds by eliminating freedoms.
40
IJB
26/11/2020 12:18:43 7 23
bbc
Government showed great tactical strength
41
26/11/2020 12:11:18 11 11
bbc
This just shows us that covid is not going away.

Which must mean people are simply not following the rules.
46
26/11/2020 12:20:19 7 4
bbc
Or that it is a virus and it will run its course. You can't hide from a virus.
57
26/11/2020 12:21:48 3 2
bbc
Of course it's not going away....it never will.

The control the scientists/governments are seeking is an illusion.

Let it burn....only way society can move on.

Natural selection.
154
26/11/2020 12:21:30 1 2
bbc
Which means we should learn to live with it, and not keep jumping behind the settee every time we have a touch of the collywobbles.
512
26/11/2020 13:06:04 2 1
bbc
What we can see here, as evidenced in the replies to me above, are a reckless and wanton disregard for public safety.

It’s so worrying and so chilling to have such contempt for life. And death.
712
26/11/2020 13:39:14 1 1
bbc
The highest death rate since May was announced yesterday.

FOR HELLS SAKE WHY WONT PEOPLE STAY INDOORS
7
26/11/2020 12:09:26 105 75
bbc
So infections are rising in London & SE yet the govt is placing these areas in Tier 2.

Yet, months ago there was no such hesitation putting most of North under the harshest restrictions.

Nowt like the tories protecting the South yet again, is there?
42
26/11/2020 12:19:44 10 5
bbc
Ok so why is it that 65% of all deaths in past 4 weeks are in the north, if it were even we would all be in the same tier.
1
26/11/2020 12:08:16 195 77
bbc
I refuse to believe I have more chance catching the disease in Birmingham/Manchester/Sheffield than London.

Stitch up.
43
IJB
26/11/2020 12:20:05 92 116
bbc
Bet you won't put it to the test, knuckle down and follow the guidelines
90
26/11/2020 12:27:04 22 16
bbc
I absolutely will as I visit London on business every month...and I'm really starting to hope I can spread some covid Christmas cheer.

North/South divide.

I voted Tory last December and feel like a mug.
26/11/2020 14:37:46 2 0
bbc
And look where the stupid "guidelines" have got us.
26/11/2020 15:02:51 0 0
bbc
Not allowed to put it to the test.
44
26/11/2020 12:20:11 7 4
bbc
Truly world beating! Now we just need Brexit and my life is complete. Thank you Boris! You are the real King!
37
26/11/2020 12:18:25 3 9
bbc
Cue all the "arm chair experts" who disagree...
45
26/11/2020 12:20:19 6 5
bbc
My cat's got more of a clue than Hancock.
41
26/11/2020 12:11:18 11 11
bbc
This just shows us that covid is not going away.

Which must mean people are simply not following the rules.
46
26/11/2020 12:20:19 7 4
bbc
Or that it is a virus and it will run its course. You can't hide from a virus.
85
26/11/2020 12:26:14 2 0
bbc
Of course you can’t ‘hide’ but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to spray snot over each other.
401
26/11/2020 12:55:47 2 1
bbc
Yes you can
47
26/11/2020 12:20:31 5 3
bbc
A missed opportunity by the government to get the economy moving. They have taken the lazy option of not dividing regions. Take my region the east of the county should be tier 3 no doubts. But the North,South and West parts have better figures than Merseyside now tier 2. Leave it to the region's with government guidence.
48
26/11/2020 12:20:36 1 3
bbc
Or they levelled off for a bit as it was half term and now in the rise again?
I'm in tier 3 because the wider geographic area has large concentrations of people of Pakistani origin. Next to no cases in the area I live in. Where is the economic or medical sense in this? Removed
64
26/11/2020 12:22:44 12 0
bbc
Racist.

I know you're not but I'm auditioning for a job as a BBC jornalist.
77
26/11/2020 12:24:44 0 0
bbc
Yes, it does hit those subjected to prejudice doesn’t it?
50
26/11/2020 12:20:59 7 6
bbc
Did anyone really think the North was going to be anywhere else but Tier 3 after their concerted criticism of the government? Politicians have always looked after their friends and this is just further evidence regardless of the cost. Mind you I bet the likes of Burnham will have special exemptions so they'll do whatever where and when they want!!
972
26/11/2020 14:21:37 0 0
bbc
Cognitive dissonance much?

Why on earth would the government desire to alienate the voters who gave them such a huge majority over Momentum Labour?

Oh, because you're a Momentum Labour acolyte...
3
26/11/2020 12:08:40 14 14
bbc
Don’t worry the Christmas muppets will drive it up again.
51
IJB
26/11/2020 12:21:01 4 3
bbc
Cancel Christmas shopping, holidays and everything else to do with it
52
26/11/2020 12:21:07 3 2
bbc
"Coronavirus infection rates in England are continuing to show signs of levelling off"

Not bad considering it has not been much of a lockdown...
53
26/11/2020 12:21:11 3 0
bbc
All down to the DATuMs. Doesn't apply to me.
54
26/11/2020 12:21:13 34 26
bbc
Please - dont get drawn into a public v private sector fight - it's what the tories want. They hope YOU won't notice having to pay while their hedge fund mates are given tax payers money while paying little or no tax.

They love to divide and conquer.
147
26/11/2020 12:35:21 24 12
bbc
Actually it’s comments like this that create division
383
26/11/2020 13:03:18 1 4
bbc
You have not a shred of evidence to support your silly accusation. Are you paid by the Chinese government? The venomous bile displayed on these message boards is all from the radical Left. Don't pretend you have morality as well as envy on your side.
989
26/11/2020 14:23:45 1 0
bbc
That's almost funny, coming from someone who clearly supports a political ideology which RELIES on division to take & hold power.
Socialists; never seen an untruth they're not prepared to use to further their cause.
26/11/2020 17:23:10 0 0
bbc
Thank you Diane Abbott.
55
ROY
26/11/2020 12:21:16 29 16
bbc
London tier two is having a laugh it’s jut to let Tory chums meet up
79
26/11/2020 12:25:16 3 18
bbc
I think it's great??
142
26/11/2020 12:34:08 4 3
bbc
That must explain why Liverpool's been moved down to tier 2 then. It's just to keep all those millions of Scouse Tories happy.
33
26/11/2020 12:17:46 16 11
bbc
No data at all suggests that lockdowns and or the tiers work.
56
26/11/2020 12:21:29 2 6
bbc
No data shows it don't.
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ab
26/11/2020 13:02:10 2 0
bbc
Indeed. So until there is data to support such a gross violation of peoples rights and the economic damage is worthwhile, it should not be done.
620
26/11/2020 13:32:12 1 0
bbc
But if you are locking the country down, ruining the economy and causing significantly more deaths it is surely on those making those decisions to show the data.
41
26/11/2020 12:11:18 11 11
bbc
This just shows us that covid is not going away.

Which must mean people are simply not following the rules.
57
26/11/2020 12:21:48 3 2
bbc
Of course it's not going away....it never will.

The control the scientists/governments are seeking is an illusion.

Let it burn....only way society can move on.

Natural selection.
450
26/11/2020 12:56:29 2 1
bbc
Natural selection - as in, make Manchester extinct?
542
26/11/2020 13:21:58 1 0
bbc
Plague
Smallpox
TB...

Give your head a wobble.
18
26/11/2020 12:12:03 150 81
bbc
No data will be published that has Been used to decide the tier system. What’s surprise that London is in tier 2 with virtually the rest of the country in tier 3. As long as we protect the London economy and tourism. Can’t trust this government at all. Not lockdown after 2/12? Really? This is a lockdown for half the country. No wonder jobs are being lost !!! No confidence in the government
58
26/11/2020 12:21:53 101 70
bbc
"In the east of England, London, the South East and South West, rates now appear to be decreasing too."

Oh yes, must be a illuminati conspiracy to protect the South, clearly not based on data whatsoever.

Dear God when will this country learn to read ...
104
26/11/2020 12:29:05 17 5
bbc
do the research, instead of shooting from your clueless hip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
224
26/11/2020 12:46:50 18 2
bbc
The South East, London and the East of England are the only areas to have seen cases rise in recent weeks -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
issued by BBC 18 hours ago!!
490
26/11/2020 13:14:58 1 1
bbc
I assume you didn't read the comments at the end of the article. 'But the ONS says the results are based on modelling and "should be interpreted with caution".' It also states that the samples are very small, so there is a wide margin for error. Maybe you should learn to read? We are being put in each tier because of data that everyone who produces the data admits is pretty meaningless.
59
26/11/2020 12:21:53 12 12
bbc
When the North disregarded history and helped put the Tory's in power what did they expect. No point in whining about it now. If you voted Tory and it doesn't suit you, too bad. Just like Brexiters keep reminding remainers, you won.??
60
26/11/2020 12:22:04 5 1
bbc
Looks like Wales circuit break wasn’t an opportunistic political stunt at all. Oh hang on.
7
26/11/2020 12:09:26 105 75
bbc
So infections are rising in London & SE yet the govt is placing these areas in Tier 2.

Yet, months ago there was no such hesitation putting most of North under the harshest restrictions.

Nowt like the tories protecting the South yet again, is there?
61
26/11/2020 12:22:06 6 5
bbc
Cal me cynical but considering the labour opposition cabinet is very London heavy, I wouldn’t have expected anything different from them. It is a north south divide in both parties
62
26/11/2020 12:22:35 48 8
bbc
"But this information is based on a relatively small number of people testing positive in each age group and region, so there is a wide margin for error."

"But the ONS says the results are based on modelling and "should be interpreted with caution".

So you don't actually know what it's doing.

Got it.
78
26/11/2020 12:24:58 20 10
bbc
And if they didn't regularly release numbers, you'd be demanding they did...
22
26/11/2020 12:14:24 34 19
bbc
Let’s be straight the lockdown was a Trojan horse to implement tougher restrictions in the tier system.

Now we are all tier 2 or 3 for the foreseeable.

Watching Hancock he loves the power he holds by eliminating freedoms.
63
26/11/2020 12:22:36 3 7
bbc
Exactly the same thing is being said about Sturgeon in Scotland... by deluded covidiots who are convinced that their "freedoms" are more important than the public good
340
ab
26/11/2020 12:59:16 4 3
bbc
Those who would sacrifice a little freedom to gain a little safety, deserve neither and lose both.
I'm in tier 3 because the wider geographic area has large concentrations of people of Pakistani origin. Next to no cases in the area I live in. Where is the economic or medical sense in this? Removed
64
26/11/2020 12:22:44 12 0
bbc
Racist.

I know you're not but I'm auditioning for a job as a BBC jornalist.
32
IJB
26/11/2020 12:17:43 42 127
bbc
Total lockdown required again, it's the only way
65
26/11/2020 12:22:57 34 7
bbc
Nonsense, they do not work and cause far greater damage to health and the economy.
520
26/11/2020 13:18:17 4 16
bbc
Utter rubbish.
They've worked both times, as shown by the evidence, rather than drivel posted on Twitter.
728
26/11/2020 13:46:13 2 1
bbc
Is there any published evidence of this much stated 'fact' or is it opinion based on personal viewpoint?
22
26/11/2020 12:14:24 34 19
bbc
Let’s be straight the lockdown was a Trojan horse to implement tougher restrictions in the tier system.

Now we are all tier 2 or 3 for the foreseeable.

Watching Hancock he loves the power he holds by eliminating freedoms.
66
26/11/2020 12:23:14 1 4
bbc
Be s good boy Simon....do as your told.
67
26/11/2020 12:23:33 48 36
bbc
So with only a couple of areas being in Tier 1 & most areas moving up into Tier2, it seems like "Lockdown2" has been a roaring success (not)!

Other than Liverpool moving down to Tier2, every other area has either moved up a Tier or stayed the same! What a flippin' shambles this Govt is!

We need either a Govt of National Unity or a GE now!??
160
26/11/2020 12:37:05 41 12
bbc
I know it's the done thing on here to prefix Government with "Shambles" at every occasion, but what would you have done differently? It's sadly not black and white, there are tough decisions to be made and a balancing act between stemming the flow of the virus but keeping the country running as best possible.
163
26/11/2020 12:26:24 10 1
bbc
Trust me, the last thing we need right now is an election and/or a government of national unity. Has the last four and a half years not taught you that who ever is in parliament, you can bet your shirt, they are not there for our benefit.
182
26/11/2020 12:40:44 7 8
bbc
Lockdown 1 failed.
First tier system failed.
Lockdown 2 failed.
Second tier system...

I sense a pattern here. Do we keep repeating this nonsense or will someone on the front bench get a grip and realise the window of opportunity has gone and now it's just crippling the economy?
307
26/11/2020 12:56:00 2 0
bbc
But you ain't gonna get neither. Anyway, who'd lead a GNU, in a nation that's so divided?
784
26/11/2020 13:53:13 3 0
bbc
Erm, the Government is'nt 'doing' the lockdown, the population is. This has obviously confused you. Perhaps you should look closer to home for your Shambles?
26/11/2020 14:26:36 1 1
bbc
What we need is socialist local politicians doing all they can to derail the government's work to lessen the impact of the pandemic but that'll never happen, as it was a socialist who coined the phrase "the end justifies the means" & that includes people dying.
26/11/2020 14:34:28 0 0
bbc
Oh yes right, you’ve already got a Blairite govt spending billion upon billion on upping benefits and subsidising wages for the whole country whilst refusing to eradicate the disgrace that is forign aid, green this and community that, equality this and diversity that, unless you are suggesting a Corbyn extremist communist govt, what the heck are you after?
68
26/11/2020 12:23:36 7 11
bbc
I think this govt is the worst in living memory, full stop. But if you are a Covid denier or ignorer and have fallen into tier 3, DON'T complain. It's your own fault, and you have dragged the people in your area who have done the right things in too. They should take you, the ignorer/denier to task.
323
26/11/2020 12:57:12 1 0
bbc
Ooh, touched some nerves there then!
69
26/11/2020 12:23:53 6 10
bbc
Back to the days of Mrs Thatcher...... mass unemployment and public riots imminent....

They were dark days... and we get to relive them very soon after Brexit has pooped us well and truly.
216
26/11/2020 12:45:31 3 1
bbc
Hardly. UK unemployment is likely to be lower than most comparable nations. Also, Thatcher was a direct result of 1970s Labour/Union controlled Britain, when we ended up in the "winter of discontent" with grave-diggers on strike amongst many others, and Britain was regarded as the "sick man of Europe" approaching 3rd world status. Thatcher was a fall guy, but it could have been someone else.
26/11/2020 14:37:28 0 0
bbc
Ah yes; that'll be the evil Thatcher who took the UK economy from a socialist run basket case to one of the most successful in Europe.

Note: Twitter & FaceBook are NOT the places to go for real facts...
70
26/11/2020 12:23:59 244 46
bbc
I really find it hard to believe London is in tier two.It makes a mockery of the whole process.
93
26/11/2020 12:27:13 132 23
bbc
It's a joke. Political decision?
176
26/11/2020 12:39:41 27 6
bbc
Do you think it should be tier 3? London's infection rates are actually quite low when you consider the population size and density. There are more people living in London than Scotland and Wales combined. London was hit hard initially, but since then the figures have been quite impressive.
229
26/11/2020 12:47:23 14 5
bbc
Falling infection rates. READ THE ARTICLE.
289
26/11/2020 12:46:03 16 3
bbc
It's almost like they based their decisoon on infection rates - crazy people!
498
26/11/2020 13:15:45 23 2
bbc
London was hammered by the 1st wave. Now, there is hardly any tourism, or shopping, no concerts, no theatre, no nightclubs, and the vast majority of commuters are also absent.

So London is far from being it's normal self. Add to that the fact that those who actually live in London probably have bad memories of wave 1 and it's not that hard to see why this time it's not the epicentre of wave 2.
844
26/11/2020 14:00:55 11 12
bbc
Yes, it should be in Tier 3 .
922
26/11/2020 14:14:02 0 5
bbc
Especially as the city has been empty since March as all the office bods ran to the hills and haven't been back since.
987
26/11/2020 14:23:40 3 2
bbc
I agree it is a joke, live in Chesterfield and the cases here per hundred thousands are significantly lower than in East London, and cases are falling here, whilst in East London they are rising
26/11/2020 14:35:35 2 3
bbc
THE HEAD BUFFON LIVES THERE, THATS WHY
26/11/2020 14:29:58 0 4
bbc
And they wonder why the rest of us hate them.
26/11/2020 15:01:41 0 1
bbc
And Manchester & Salford, with rates rather lower now than in the Tier 2 Midlands, remain in Tier 3.
26/11/2020 15:15:15 1 1
bbc
Its a political decision....how can you have Kent in Tier 3 and London in Tier 2? Liverpool is only in Tier 2 because the Mayor cooperated with Johnson...... just wait until the Covid Levels rise again. Who will they blame ? The Mayor Liverpool.
26/11/2020 15:39:11 1 0
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You only find it hard because you don't want to believe it

London has exhibited herd immunity effects since mid-April and continues to have very little transmission except in isolated (self-isolating mostly) communities who take a long time to get an infection
26/11/2020 15:44:19 2 1
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Because half the South come and infect the rest if the country when they try to avoid their own local lockdowns. That and the fact they send their offspring up here who clearly can't follow simple instructions to social distance.
26/11/2020 15:50:05 1 2
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My rural village in Teir three and London Tier two, is a joke, we are being led by idiots of the highest order, and they have probably figured out by now that the next election will be an embarrasment for them.
26/11/2020 15:49:04 2 0
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"I really find it hard to believe London is in tier two.It makes a mockery of the whole process"

Agreed, it should be in tier 1.
Pip
26/11/2020 16:04:15 0 0
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Absolutely, I live in Teignbridge lowest rate in England (lower than Cornwall by quite a bit) and still have to suffer Tier 2..........?
26/11/2020 16:11:05 0 0
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so should it be 1 or 3? I'd say 3.
26/11/2020 17:15:13 2 0
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Londoners have been very vigilant actually ... I notice it everywhere and live centrally ... we have taken it a lot more seriously than many parts of UK because we were hit badly at the start.
26/11/2020 17:35:02 0 1
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Why?
London rightly or wrongly live very differently to most of the UK
People are generally younger and fitter
NHS capacity is greater
Swathes of London is empty
We have taken a bigger economic hit but we've also learned from March how vulnerable we can be
As a result we've reacted differently
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26/11/2020 12:24:10 8 9
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Lots of people on here criticising lockdown and saying it’s not necessary. Funny how Liverpool has bucked this reasoning and every place that’s gone into lockdown backs this up.
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26/11/2020 12:32:37 2 3
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Apart from Leicester. Which is rather significant. Our cases were ALREADY coming down from the June spike when we put into a local lockdown. Despite never actually leaving local lockdown, and the restrictions mostly not changing they shot up in October-November. Which suggests precisely the opposite to your claim!
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26/11/2020 12:58:23 0 1
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Liverpool was a government stunt! They made one of the criteria % of postive tests but were testing everyone in that area. Of course their % will be lower as it is basic maths!
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26/11/2020 12:15:49 62 38
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Stop testing and the "infection" rates will stop going up!
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26/11/2020 12:30:53 47 28
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Calm down Donald Trump.
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26/11/2020 12:33:12 6 3
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Very true, but probably not too helpful!
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26/11/2020 12:43:32 10 2
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stop testing and the positivity rate goes up. One of the key measures.
More people tested not only means more cases found and isolated, it means the percentage testing positive is smaller. This is how Liverpool mass testing has worked
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26/11/2020 12:52:42 5 1
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So how come the testing rate has still been going up over the last week or so, but the infection rate has been coming down fast?
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26/11/2020 12:47:42 3 1
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What's important is how many people get sick, not how many test positive.
26/11/2020 17:08:19 0 0
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And hospital admissions?
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26/11/2020 12:15:49 126 36
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Run away, hide, come out, monster still lurking, run away, hide, come out, monster still lurking, run away hide, come out, monster still lurking. What's the definition of stupid? Meanwhile, some seem to be perfectly happy for others to be thrown under the bus to protect them from an illness that has a terrifying 99% survival rate in the 3% of the population that have had it.
All in this together?
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26/11/2020 12:27:07 60 8
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the official death rate is actually about 0.25% according to the Oxford unit.
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26/11/2020 12:31:15 12 22
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Get real.
If some one held out a bag containing one hundred M&Ms and told you one of them would kill you.
You wouldn't take one, would you?
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26/11/2020 13:25:19 7 15
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Two things - (1) the disease fills up our hospitals very very quickly, meaning all of our resources have to go on treating Covid and more people will die from all the stuff the NHS normally fixes. (2) Given we have no natural immunity, a 99% survival rate means 660,000 deaths in the UK alone. Maths is a tricky subject!
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26/11/2020 14:23:08 3 4
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What are you suggesting - that this is not a very serious infection? Do you think that there has been an over-reaction in the UK. Well it would seem virtually every government in the world don't agree with you and those run by idiots have suffered the consequences. Brazil, USA and UK for example.
26/11/2020 15:02:35 3 5
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except you're lying.
VERIFIED cases are all we can go on & based on that, you have a 3.6%, or 1:28 chance of dying
Of course if you're older the odds get considerably shorter but I can see you're OK to throw all those vulnerable folk under the bus...
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26/11/2020 12:17:36 18 13
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Are the people demanding we stay in lockdown the same people who demanded we stay in the eu?
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26/11/2020 12:26:57 7 9
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No, the CV19 deniers, anti-vaxxers & conspiracy theorists seem mainly to be Brexiters!??
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26/11/2020 12:27:22 3 9
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Yes. Risk averse, change resistant laggards. Afraid of their own shadows.
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26/11/2020 12:31:09 6 5
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Most like because they are the more intelligent ones
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JT
26/11/2020 13:09:27 0 0
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What on earth have these 2 things in common? Idiot!
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IJB
26/11/2020 12:17:43 42 127
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Total lockdown required again, it's the only way
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26/11/2020 12:24:41 131 34
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Given the known fact that just under 20% of Covid infections are caught by those who were already in hospital for other health problems, what proportion of those end up dying from the virus? I.e. of the total number of those dying from the virus what percentage were already in hospital when they caught it?
We need to know or is a cover up going on?
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26/11/2020 12:27:47 16 11
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How are they becoming infected? Is it cross-infection? If so that is a scandal - the NHS should be the experts!

If they are becoming infected by staff or visitors who were infected in the community that is also bad, but the tiers should reduce that.
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ab
26/11/2020 12:50:57 6 0
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The specific data is probably there, hidden in the depths of the NHS. A crude measure would be using ONS stats, where a little under half of outbreaks in institutions are from care homes and HAI's. These are the two concentrations of the most vulnerable. The data suggests these contribute at least 50% of admissions and 75% of deaths with covid.
I'm in tier 3 because the wider geographic area has large concentrations of people of Pakistani origin. Next to no cases in the area I live in. Where is the economic or medical sense in this? Removed
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26/11/2020 12:24:44 0 0
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Yes, it does hit those subjected to prejudice doesn’t it?
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26/11/2020 12:22:35 48 8
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"But this information is based on a relatively small number of people testing positive in each age group and region, so there is a wide margin for error."

"But the ONS says the results are based on modelling and "should be interpreted with caution".

So you don't actually know what it's doing.

Got it.
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26/11/2020 12:24:58 20 10
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And if they didn't regularly release numbers, you'd be demanding they did...
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26/11/2020 12:32:36 6 4
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I'd rather they really the correct numbers less frequently rather than throw anything out for the sake of it, so no, I wouldn't.
26/11/2020 17:19:50 0 2
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Yes and claiming a cover up and Tory conspiracy!
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ROY
26/11/2020 12:21:16 29 16
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London tier two is having a laugh it’s jut to let Tory chums meet up
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26/11/2020 12:25:16 3 18
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I think it's great??
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26/11/2020 12:25:30 6 7
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Tiers before Christmas swiftly followed by Tears after Christmas........
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26/11/2020 12:08:42 23 3
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Berkshire is an interesting anomaly on the list: Slough in Tier 3, but the rest of the county in Tier 2. This, after Monday's Parliamentary debate where PM Johnson, upon being asked by a Tory backbench MP why Tiers couldn't be applied at a district level, replied that they had to draw a line somewhere and that line couldn't even be at county level, let alone a district one; it had to be regional.
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26/11/2020 12:25:42 2 1
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The argument was about boroughs in London. In deciding the tiers they need to take into account how connected areas are. If a lot of people travel between two areas for work, school and shopping they are obviously linked.

I guess Slough is considered reasonably self-contained.
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26/11/2020 12:37:04 6 0
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Yep, I'm sure no-one travels in to Slough willingly, though there may be more than a few regularly getting out!
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26/11/2020 12:11:42 417 172
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The total number of infections is meaningless, it is the profile of the people catching it which is important

This second wave of infections was due to schools and unis going back hence, not vulnerable groups the death rate much lower

The geographic tier system is a bit of a joke. The Government should be focussing on risk groups where ever they are & letting everyone else get on with life
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26/11/2020 12:25:44 48 36
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At what point will you find the death rate unacceptable ?

Still rising :-

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
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26/11/2020 12:26:00 7 5
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I just feel that while we follow medical advice and try to stop the spread of Covid-19 by wearing masks and using alcohol gel we get knocked down constantly. We need a moral boost from this government and aren’t getting one.
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26/11/2020 12:32:21 10 0
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Yes, it's a shame that those who are able to apply common sense are being penalised because there are clearly those who can't. Sadly though we have to thank for morons - the "Cummings did it" brigade, the "Covid is just flu, those dying are just overreacting" lot and those who feel that wearing a mask is beneath them.
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26/11/2020 12:09:26 105 75
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So infections are rising in London & SE yet the govt is placing these areas in Tier 2.

Yet, months ago there was no such hesitation putting most of North under the harshest restrictions.

Nowt like the tories protecting the South yet again, is there?
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26/11/2020 12:26:11 14 6
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Please don't let the actual facts mentioned in the article get in the way of your obvious anti South view point!
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Bob
26/11/2020 12:48:32 1 2
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"Actual facts"!

Did you read this part of the item:

'But this information is based on a relatively small number of people testing positive in each age group and region, so there is a wide margin for error.....

....But the ONS says the results are based on modelling and "should be interpreted with caution"'
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26/11/2020 12:20:19 7 4
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Or that it is a virus and it will run its course. You can't hide from a virus.
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26/11/2020 12:26:14 2 0
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Of course you can’t ‘hide’ but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to spray snot over each other.
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26/11/2020 12:26:42 9 5
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Anyone with any brains would have realised back in September that we will all be under some form of restrictions until at least Easter. People need to get real. Winter hasn't started yet....
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26/11/2020 12:26:50 7 9
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A lot of the initial comments seem to be about London being Tier 2 - reactions ranging from disbelief to full blown 'its a Tory/Trump/illuminati conspiracy'.

I quote from the article: "In the east of England, London, the South East and South West, rates now appear to be decreasing too."

Much as we all love to knee-jerk react, in this case, the data speaks for itself.
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26/11/2020 12:29:26 4 3
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Rates in South Yorkshire also decreasing...so please explain why we remain in Tier 3 ?
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26/11/2020 12:30:57 4 2
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Just no - London Boroughs like Brent are still way higher than Derby and Derbyshire which has been placed in Tier 3. It stinks.
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26/11/2020 12:29:11 1 0
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Think you'll find, in the right hands the data can be made to say anything we damned well want it to say.
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26/11/2020 12:17:36 18 13
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Are the people demanding we stay in lockdown the same people who demanded we stay in the eu?
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26/11/2020 12:17:36 18 13
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Are the people demanding we stay in lockdown the same people who demanded we stay in the eu?
89
26/11/2020 12:26:57 7 9
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No, the CV19 deniers, anti-vaxxers & conspiracy theorists seem mainly to be Brexiters!??
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IJB
26/11/2020 12:20:05 92 116
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Bet you won't put it to the test, knuckle down and follow the guidelines
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26/11/2020 12:27:04 22 16
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I absolutely will as I visit London on business every month...and I'm really starting to hope I can spread some covid Christmas cheer.

North/South divide.

I voted Tory last December and feel like a mug.
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26/11/2020 12:31:01 4 9
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Of course you did...
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26/11/2020 14:13:51 5 0
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So, you are intentionally and quote 'absolutely' going to or are hoping to spread Covid on your next visit to London? How on earth the BBC would allow this type of post beggars belief. North/South divide my ar$e. Snapshot taken for future reference.
26/11/2020 16:48:24 0 0
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You are a mug. You were warned!
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26/11/2020 12:11:42 417 172
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The total number of infections is meaningless, it is the profile of the people catching it which is important

This second wave of infections was due to schools and unis going back hence, not vulnerable groups the death rate much lower

The geographic tier system is a bit of a joke. The Government should be focussing on risk groups where ever they are & letting everyone else get on with life
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26/11/2020 12:27:05 80 31
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It doesn't matter how many times you say it, the second wave was not solely caused by schools and unis. The ordinary joes not adhering to basic rules also had a major effort. The death rate is lower because the NHS knows how to treat it better, and also the better screening of the vulnerable.
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26/11/2020 12:15:49 126 36
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Run away, hide, come out, monster still lurking, run away, hide, come out, monster still lurking, run away hide, come out, monster still lurking. What's the definition of stupid? Meanwhile, some seem to be perfectly happy for others to be thrown under the bus to protect them from an illness that has a terrifying 99% survival rate in the 3% of the population that have had it.
All in this together?
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26/11/2020 12:27:07 60 8
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the official death rate is actually about 0.25% according to the Oxford unit.
726
26/11/2020 13:46:02 3 1
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Yes, but this is with repeated lockdowns.
26/11/2020 18:00:52 1 0
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0.25% of what? Total population? Infected cases? Hospitalised cases? If you're going to quote a statistic, be specific, put it in context and post a link.
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26/11/2020 12:23:59 244 46
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I really find it hard to believe London is in tier two.It makes a mockery of the whole process.
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26/11/2020 12:27:13 132 23
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It's a joke. Political decision?
26/11/2020 14:34:04 1 3
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I wonder if it's a fear of widespread civil disobedience on the scale of poll tax riots emanating from London and spreading to other cities?
I won't be surprised if we see some disturbance in the community as a result of these over the top ill thought through measures being inflicted on the nation.
26/11/2020 17:35:59 0 0
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Spare us the old 'metropolitan elite' mantra - had a bellyful of that nonsense these past four years!
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26/11/2020 12:17:36 18 13
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Are the people demanding we stay in lockdown the same people who demanded we stay in the eu?
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26/11/2020 12:27:22 3 9
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Yes. Risk averse, change resistant laggards. Afraid of their own shadows.
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26/11/2020 12:46:06 2 0
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On comfortable, untouchable incomes, suffering from a serious dose of the All Right, Jacks.
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26/11/2020 12:18:03 311 193
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695 deaths yesterday due to Covid That’s is high in my book
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26/11/2020 12:27:25 67 17
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No, 695 deaths announced yesterday. The actual dates are spread over at least a week.
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26/11/2020 12:37:50 25 17
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695 deaths reported yesterday are for the preceding 24 hours, as is each daily reported figure, whether dying of or with COVID-19.

Just need to keep the foot on the gas, crazy to lift it when we have a light at the end of the tunnel
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26/11/2020 12:50:12 9 10
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The latest seven day rolling average is 465.9 people dying per day. That figure is currently rising every day :-

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
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26/11/2020 12:58:23 3 0
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So?
It's the same 5 days from 7 (fewer registered Sat-Sun, so lower numbers Sun-Mon) so it averages out & gives a pretty accurate picture.
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mc
26/11/2020 12:58:11 1 7
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deleiberate plan
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26/11/2020 12:27:30 12 12
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And yet the inept and corrupt Government place Manchester in Tier 3. I'm not following your rules while you keep schools and universities open. I will still have family and friends round at my house. There is no legal way to stop me without a court appointed warrant.
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26/11/2020 12:32:43 7 7
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And that folks in why Manchester is in Tier 3!
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26/11/2020 12:36:44 3 2
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Agree 100%
26/11/2020 15:15:22 0 0
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No but you CAN be fined & should you be caught, I hope you are, as YOU are a part of the problem.
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26/11/2020 12:27:34 1 2
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Great to see the govt tier system working perfectly...just as long as you live in the Isle Scilly ha ha.
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26/11/2020 12:24:41 131 34
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Given the known fact that just under 20% of Covid infections are caught by those who were already in hospital for other health problems, what proportion of those end up dying from the virus? I.e. of the total number of those dying from the virus what percentage were already in hospital when they caught it?
We need to know or is a cover up going on?
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26/11/2020 12:27:47 16 11
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How are they becoming infected? Is it cross-infection? If so that is a scandal - the NHS should be the experts!

If they are becoming infected by staff or visitors who were infected in the community that is also bad, but the tiers should reduce that.
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26/11/2020 13:01:39 13 12
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The NHS has some dedicated, hard-working staff. But it is a bloated inefficient bureaucracy with imbeciles in managerial roles. They are simply no good at crisis management and have not been able to adapt to keep normal services running alongside Covid treatment. When this is all over there will be a major reorganisation.
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26/11/2020 13:47:50 6 3
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From my experience all those becoming infected are being infected when visiting NHS services.
Tiers will not reduce that as people can travel for hospital appointments.
26/11/2020 14:28:42 2 0
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Having had a couple of days in hospital, I would say cross-contamination is an issue, staff going from patient to patient was a regular occurence.
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26/11/2020 12:10:00 7 15
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had this been a war the costs and how we're going to pay for it would be irrelevant
This pandemic is as bad as a war
Shut down
ensure that all business' and jobs are pretected
make sure people can afford food & to live
keep the lockdown until we are through this instead of stop / start / stop / start
and as after the 2nd world war, we'll deal with the cost afterwards
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26/11/2020 12:20:07 2 4
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Getting to the point where I'd rather be at war. At least then, we'd know who the real enemy is.
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26/11/2020 12:28:15 4 10
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My message to brits from China (where I can see how they deal with COVID effectively and efficiently) IS

ALL of you, STAY at your terraced houses and DO NOT go out unless you desperately need food or toilet rolls

THROUGHOUT the Christmas

OR

Lockdown 3 will be issued as soon as Christmas ends
Seriously....you give the disease to the world....and mock ?

You people are scum.
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26/11/2020 15:20:35 0 0
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Ah yes; China.
Where liars figure & figures lie...
Anyone believing the numbers handed out by the CCP is about as gullible as you can get.