Spending Review: Council tax likely to rise, says think-tank
26/11/2020 | news | business | 3,370
The IFS says the Spending Review means council tax could rise an average £70 per household.
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26/11/2020 10:29:40 10 18
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Rishi has allowed himself some wriggle-room for when he becomes PM. Not long now.
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26/11/2020 10:30:20 18 27
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And yet we still march towards those "Sunlit uplands" of brexit. Absolutely CRAZY
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26/11/2020 10:33:54 24 8
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Just be thankful we will not be picking up the Euro Coronavirus 'tab'.....
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26/11/2020 10:35:49 4 1
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We arrived earlier in the year.
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26/11/2020 10:30:33 102 25
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The clear difference between job security for the public sector and perceived higher wages for the private sector has never been more obvious.
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26/11/2020 10:50:35 81 46
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Hmmm. The politics of envy..

Shh don't mention the rich, the greedy, the exploiters, the selfish because the country needs them..apparently.
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26/11/2020 10:55:52 17 8
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Would that be the private sector that committed fraud with the furlough money and conned the public purse over PPE and Test and Trace?
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26/11/2020 11:02:16 13 6
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Job security? How many jobs were lost during austerity? Remember most schools are academies - private sector. Academies that have been making redundancies to profit.
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26/11/2020 11:09:17 13 4
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Hmm, and yet my wife’s CS department was subject to a redundancy scheme just two years ago and they have had zero % pay rise 11 years out of 18.
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26/11/2020 11:05:10 12 5
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What difference does it make? You don't say to your employer "I want more job security/higher wage because my neighbour who works for xxxxx has it."
You are selling your time and labour in an open market. If you are unhappy with the terms and conditions you have been offered, change your job. Don't be envious and a whinger about other workers. If they are doing better than you - join them.
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26/11/2020 11:31:32 6 5
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Completely wrong. 25% Job cuts across LA’s in the last 10 years, coupled with a real terms 20% pay cut for most and cuts to pensions.
26/11/2020 12:07:06 4 3
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I work in local govt. Not only are redundancies ongoing but recruitment is very hard. People don’t want to work in local govt and skilled employees are walking out because of pay rates - if the public sector was that good why is it haemorrhaging staff? There is no job security anymore.
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26/11/2020 12:25:51 4 5
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Regardless of the biased twaddle on here the private sector have comparatively far less job security than public sector - FACT.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
Yes they may seem to get paid more but only if the fat final salary etc pensions are taken out of the equation.
If public sector staff think they’ve got it bad they can always move to a private sector job - don’t see a big rush!
26/11/2020 15:55:58 2 1
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Public sector were getting paid 16% more on average for equivalent jobs after the Blair/Brown public sector splurge of the 00s, even the pay freezes of Cameron era government didn't undo this. This year private sector employees were stuck on 80% furlough whilst public sector workers with nothing to do got full pay.

The idea you get paid more in private sector is a lie. This helps bring balance.
26/11/2020 16:42:02 2 1
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Ecept figures show that average pay in the public sectoris higher than in the private sector. THat's not even taking unto account the massive payoffs in the public sector for those who screw up. They then normally poip up somewehere else in the public sector on the same if not higher pay.
26/11/2020 17:07:44 2 1
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As pointed out by the chancellor public sector pay is already higher than the private together with better pensions and better job security.
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26/11/2020 10:30:59 632 28
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Rishi Sunak: "I think it's a reasonable and proportionate response given the context"

Just as long as the pay freeze includes PMs.
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26/11/2020 10:35:10 103 35
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Project Managers?
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26/11/2020 10:44:54 44 6
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Don't be silly what was the last pay rise they voted for themselves when all public sector pay was frozen? It was a lot more than that.

If it is good enough for the rest of the public sector employees it is good enough for them.
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26/11/2020 10:49:59 48 14
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I think the public sector should be split. I know two people closely who work for the public sector - one of them deserves every penny of a pay rise, the other is working at home and literally boasts about how much shirking she gets away with every day.
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26/11/2020 10:53:35 2 2
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It surely will. Won't it??
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26/11/2020 10:59:49 22 7
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I think you meant MP's, a pay freeze for them would save far more money.
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26/11/2020 10:58:36 54 19
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Boris Johnson has instructed ministers and himself to not take any pay increase and it is a matter of recorded fact in the Commons library. Starmer has however failed to follow suit as have Blackford and Davy. Nasty Tories refusing extra money and making the socialists look bad
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26/11/2020 11:02:45 29 10
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think you will find Tory MP has put that forward and Rishi has supported - decision made by independent committee so I assume that they will take this in to consideration as it would be tone deaf to do otherwise. Rishi a PM in waiting for me
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26/11/2020 11:03:41 16 10
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MPs are to have a 4.4% pay rise in April 2021. I mean they work so hard screwing up the country.
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26/11/2020 11:04:21 24 6
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MPs should take a pay cut. Especially anyone who has given PPE contracts to friends for unnecessarily large amounts of money.
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26/11/2020 11:07:51 2 1
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Already confirmed
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26/11/2020 11:10:22 30 13
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The PM gets paid buttons for someone in his role. He gets about £150K. Compare this with say Laura Kuenssberg who is paid over £400K annually for saying something snippy on air every evening and generally slagging off people behind their backs!
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26/11/2020 11:35:02 4 4
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Another lie whilst massive white elephants crooked contract giveaways such as HS2 are allowed to continue
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26/11/2020 11:30:06 3 11
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I think you will find he has already decline the pay rise that MP's are suppose to be getting. It's only been Labour MP's who have been defending this ridiculous 3% pay rise they have awarded themselves.
As for public sector workers, they aren't the ones facing layoffs so they should stay quiet unless they want o come and work in private industry and lose the cushy job for life and lovely pension.
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26/11/2020 11:38:43 1 1
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Next comes the tax giveaways HTB, Stamp Duty etc. like the last time and Oh yes more QE and TFSME from the never emptying public purse
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26/11/2020 11:52:12 4 1
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I agree freeze MP,s pay.
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26/11/2020 11:53:47 0 0
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Consultants, political advisors?
26/11/2020 12:03:29 2 3
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1.2 million public service employees , so in the game of % i guess at least 500 k voted for the CONselfservatives , so they have gotten what they voted for.
The remaining 700 k on the other hand would probably have gotten a similar deal from Liebour Libdumbs etc.
No win situation , much as i would love to blame the Tories , they are dealing with an unusual situation which changes by the hour.
26/11/2020 12:04:53 5 2
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MPs already earn way too much. We are talking about underpaid teachers, police, fire fighters, library staff and more, people already suffering from a decade of austerity and pay freezes and now out there on the front lines.
26/11/2020 12:18:10 5 0
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He only raised pay for the lowest paid workers because if he didn't he would have been in the embarrassing position of badly paid, highly skilled, mainly female public sector employees, being paid less than the minimum wage.
26/11/2020 12:30:36 0 0
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Impossible to agree more totally with the final line.

Quite frankly the vast majority of MP's are already overpaid for the 'job' ?? they apparently !! due and the fact that, even at current levels, they already get almost 3x the pay of an experienced Nurse, Teacher or Police Officer, to which is added 'Expenses ???' means that a PAY CUT would be more appropriate.
26/11/2020 13:38:32 1 0
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PM is not raising ministerial salaries. The MPs salary rise is dealt with by an 'independent body' and cannot be stopped, however, I think the other day there was an indication that the predicted rise will not now be given.
26/11/2020 13:46:20 2 1
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MP salaries are not worth worrying about theyre such small amount overall. As a token gesture of solidarity maybe
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26/11/2020 10:31:30 15 14
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Cue more Tory bashing for this
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26/11/2020 10:32:50 22 26
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Absolutely....they thoroughly deserve it
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26/11/2020 10:32:08 52 56
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A note to all the public sector workers who are about to hit the keyboard moaning.

You have pretty much cast iron jobs and pensions. Many of us in the private sector, who generate much of the taxes to pay for you, have neither.

A pay freeze sounds like security and stability to me.

You are getting off lightly so suck it up and shut up!
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26/11/2020 10:36:41 26 16
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Enjoy your universal credit then
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26/11/2020 10:37:25 15 9
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Yeah, maybe the fire service should go private and then ypu’d pay a whole lot more.
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26/11/2020 10:39:35 17 10
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Please speak to some public sector workers about their 'cast iron' job security and their wonderful pensions. Pensions have been cut hard since 2010 and there have been massive redundancies in local councils, universities etc. Nursing and teaching are careers where you can always find a job, mainly because these are unpopular and badly paid so no one wants to do these.
"Many of us in the private sector, who generate much of the taxes to pay for you, have neither."

We pay the same tax rates as you do. Bugger off with this nonsense.
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26/11/2020 10:42:42 8 11
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couldnt agree more, expect for frontline service who this year do deserve that rise.

as for the rest, like you say the pvt sector went immediate 10%/15%/20% pay cuts in March this year and not reversed...with more cuts to come or redundancy/job losses.

none of this applies to public sector, and its a disgrace that Unions rally against this....its the future deficit against personal selfishness
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26/11/2020 10:47:40 11 7
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Another misguided soul who believes what he reads about cast iron jobs and pensions ... I work in education (not a teacher) and have seen 20+ colleagues be made redundant over the last 5 years and during austerity (since 2010) public sector workers had years of under inflation pay rises or pay freezes
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26/11/2020 10:48:41 14 7
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Usual ill informed response. Tens of thousands of public sector jobs have gone over last few years with same redundancy as anyone else. We also pay taxes and for our pensions. If the public sector is that good apply for a job. It will be an eye opener for you!
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26/11/2020 10:52:49 6 5
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Next time you need your bin emptied or go to the doctors or need anything from the public sector just remember what you said.
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26/11/2020 10:57:22 4 7
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'You are getting off lightly so suck it up and shut up!'

Yeah! How dare anyone complain in a democracy, how dare they show frustration that this has happened again, and again and again and again.

They are fully entitled to show this, just as you are entitled to be an ignorant arrogant pri:ck, an entitlement you clearly enjoy.
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26/11/2020 10:49:44 5 4
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Clearly you know nothing about what you speak of. I work in public sector and over last 13 years have: 1) Reapplied for my own job 3 times. 2) Had my hours cut. 3) Been "redeployed" in a lower grade position. So yeah I reckon I've got off really lightly and sucked it up!
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26/11/2020 11:09:11 3 4
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Idiot. Clueless. We pay the same taxes as you. If you’d been through annual restructuring as we have, you’d be informed enough to know our jobs never feel, or are, safe. You could always stay uninformed of course and complain when your Audi/BMW is damaged because the potholes weren’t filled. Yeah, we do that too! ??
26/11/2020 12:16:56 3 3
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You do not have a clue what your talking about, i have been in the BELFAST HEALTH AND SOCIAL CARE TRUST for 32 years, we did not get a pay rise until April of this year 2020, it was the first pay rise, we had in six years, it was only 1%, we should have been back paid from 2014, to bring us in line with England, Scotland, Wales, we did not get the back pay.
26/11/2020 13:06:17 2 3
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public sector workers pay tax as well , or hadn't you noticed ?
26/11/2020 13:07:27 2 3
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and all on PAYE so none of us are avoiding it either
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26/11/2020 10:32:14 86 12
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There is no money tree it's called borrowing, and we will all have to pay for it in the long run.
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26/11/2020 10:56:54 77 27
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Some people are better at avoiding paying for it than others with their offshore tax havens that the EU wanted to crack down on. Tell me again why we are leaving?
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26/11/2020 10:57:10 7 3
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I mean money is a social construct and we can create as much money as we want, the only issue is it devalues the wealth for all.

But that isn't the problem, i'm sure everyone is happy to chip in the problem is those who benefited least from COVID are going to pay the most and that isn't fair. There is no reason why we can't use the money tree to resolve this
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26/11/2020 11:00:38 11 5
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There has been a massive money tree for Dido Harding and all the other mates of the cabinet in a huge wasting of our money, nothing but corruption, forget the euphemism cronyism.
Tories don't mind spending huge amounts as long as it isn't on the public.
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26/11/2020 11:12:53 6 4
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There is a money tree and it's called the Bank of England. Most money (97%) is created by commercial lending by banks, and is destroyed by loans being repaid. During downturns when insufficient money is being created by commercial lending it makes perfect sense for the BoE to create money and for this to be spent by the state. This should not need to be repaid.
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26/11/2020 11:24:36 5 1
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At some stage inflation will rise again and much of that debt will in effect reduce. This is usually a disaster for the country that does it, weakens them relative to competitor countries. But everywhere is to some extent printing money so that doesn't apply at this stage. Cutting back on wages, on empoyment and on infrastructure investnent now will be economically counterproductive.
26/11/2020 14:10:56 2 0
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"There is no money tree it's called borrowing"

I doubt many people take the term literally.
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26/11/2020 10:32:15 49 34
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Honestly do not understand what Anneliese Dodds and the people who demanded another lockdown expected. This is the outcome, unfortunately Labour and its supporters believe there is an unlimited amount of money to spend... hence what happened the last time they were in power.
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26/11/2020 10:36:12 9 7
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Clearly unlimited money to pay Ill thoughtout furlough for some. But these workers had to work all the lockdown
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26/11/2020 10:40:37 7 5
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their pathetic response this week expose them as simply arguing and confusing the messages for political gain, not for the good of the country, you'd have thought they'd learn from the pathetic last 5 years of labour strategy

Dodds refused this morning again to acknowledge the level of funding, and refused to admit that it will take cuts and taxes by labour or Tory to recover....hypocrites
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26/11/2020 10:51:14 3 5
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Oh my god,if a comment can prove stupidity yours just did. Do the words Global Financial Crisis not make any sense to you. Add to that the 10 years of austerity that has doubled the debt and it just exacerbates the level of ignorance.
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26/11/2020 10:41:15 4 5
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Ms Dodds is hopelessly out of her depth. It is a shame but Labour only seem to have one decent MP, their leader.
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26/11/2020 11:01:10 4 6
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You mean the tory voting bankers that bankrupt the world?
We were lucky we didn't have a tory government as the championed more freedom for the banks so it would have been worse under them.

Also the 3 worst government financially in modern history

Maggie (By a mile) Cameron and now Mat/Boris
Just Facts
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26/11/2020 11:18:04 3 2
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Like the money funnelled to Tory cronies and spouses.
26/11/2020 14:44:12 2 0
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I didn't know that it was labour in charge of the lockdowns, bail out schemes, 'eat out to get fat' , government backed loans for swindlers. dodgy contracts to docgy chums' dodgy companies etc, Thganks for enlightening us all.
Spare a thought for no dealers and anti-vaxxers this Christmas because there is still no cure for stupid. Removed
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26/11/2020 10:40:39 33 12
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Haha, excellent.
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26/11/2020 10:42:41 16 19
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"look at me, I have all the media-approved political beliefs"

Not a no-dealer, or an Anti-vaxxer, but I see why people are. Don't be a snob.
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26/11/2020 10:43:11 10 15
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How odd to link those two things together.

Shall I try?

Spare a thought for vegans and Nazis this Christmas because there's still no cure for cruelty.
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26/11/2020 10:43:37 16 1
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Would an anti-vaxxer take the anti-stupid cure anyway?
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26/11/2020 10:40:24 8 3
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It is going to be no deal. Whatever compromise deal is reached, the French will block it. Sensible companies are prepared.
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26/11/2020 10:56:34 3 6
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Ah yes, targeting a minority on their beliefs for cheap likes and to make yourself feel smart. I suppose you enjoy bashing Christians too to make yourself feel superior, despite them numbering only a couple of million.
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djf
26/11/2020 11:00:04 6 6
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Another view point is that people that want to remain in the EU or get a debilitating 'deal' from the EU, are stupid too. Two sides to every argument.
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26/11/2020 10:54:35 5 2
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I know a lot of people who have a 'wait and see' approach to any vaccines. Not many people want to be first in the queue. These vaccines are being rushed out without the usual comprehensive checks and balances. Of course a decent vaccine is the ideal, but many are a bit concerned about the hurried approach.
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26/11/2020 10:56:01 2 2
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Sounds like you are in for a miserable time then. Hohoho
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26/11/2020 11:04:02 1 4
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So boring.
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26/11/2020 11:04:24 6 2
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Also spare a thought for those who can't move on - we lost - move on
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26/11/2020 11:06:40 1 1
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Just borrow another 500 billion and start paying it in 5 years over a 100 year's timescale.
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26/11/2020 11:09:18 3 3
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If you think you can go into a negotiation without considering 'no deal', then you are the stupid one.

Astounding so many sheep have liked your comment.
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26/11/2020 11:09:40 1 3
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Totally off the article topic!
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26/11/2020 11:10:26 1 3
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Also spare a thought for covid deniers and Remoaners for the same reason.
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26/11/2020 11:26:14 0 2
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Might as well add in the All Lives Matter lot as well then, since it's basically the same crew.
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26/11/2020 11:27:13 1 1
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Ironic. Being so gullible makes you look stupid
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26/11/2020 10:32:35 170 3
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Did anyone REALLY expect anything different....?
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26/11/2020 10:55:36 130 36
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True, at least public sector are mostly protected from the job losses the private sector faces.

Just giving a boost to the lowest public sector workers seems like the sensible, albeit, unfortunate course of action.
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26/11/2020 11:47:40 3 5
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I certainly didn't. This is just the start. The current sledgehammer approach to COVID control rather than a targeted approach to protect those more vulnerable comes with it a negative impact on the economy the size of which we have never seen before. As others have said at least those in the public sector will have a job there will be thousands in the private sector who don't.
26/11/2020 14:09:43 0 0
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Nope.
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26/11/2020 10:32:37 20 7
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People need to Wake up. Arguing about pay rises now for 2021 is fiddling with size of issue to come. Pay freeze Should be given with jobs to be lost pay under pressure taxes for all to come later ; this is a no brainier .
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26/11/2020 10:31:30 15 14
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Cue more Tory bashing for this
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26/11/2020 10:32:50 22 26
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Absolutely....they thoroughly deserve it
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26/11/2020 10:33:28 8 17
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only wish that Rishi Sunak was prime minister.
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26/11/2020 10:37:35 6 5
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Sunak or Johnson? Or even Raab, Patel, Hancock or Williamson? It's like trying to choose which disease I'd most like to have.
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26/11/2020 10:42:40 0 2
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Most of us do. He will be soon. Over on the Mail and Sun comments it is pretty much unanimous that he has to go. In the UK, the Mail and the Sun dictate policy.
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26/11/2020 10:33:32 217 73
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Has a Tory government ever found paycuts to the public sector to be a "tough choice"?

Thankfully though we still have over 100 million for a Brexit festival, billions for HS2, and hundreds of millions for Tory cronyism. Am I missing anything?

But hey, we clapped for the NHS. I'm sure they'll be happy with that.
I would suggest you are missing quite a lot but unfortunately not ignorance. Vacuous, uneducated claptrap. Removed
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26/11/2020 10:46:28 28 9
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As though we have not made ourselves look stupid enough in the eyes of the world with our self inflicted Brexit, we now have a Festival to amplify British stupidity even further. And at great financial cost too. Must remember NOT to be in the country when it takes place.
26/11/2020 12:35:34 5 4
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Put it into context, The Public Sector wage bill for a single year is circe £10bn with an average of 4 layers of 'loval' government and their duplicate non job and with only 20% of the wage bill actually going to people doing the work for the public. Far too many paper pushers. Time for Publice Sector and civil Service consolidation and re-organisation
26/11/2020 13:37:20 4 1
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Yes you are missing the millions to be spent on arms and IT to raise our profile in the world. Do they realise we are a laughing stock?
26/11/2020 14:08:25 5 2
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yeah you did, its billions for tory cronyism.
26/11/2020 15:30:22 0 0
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I didn't
26/11/2020 18:31:29 1 0
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What pay cuts to the public sector?
None have been announced.
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26/11/2020 10:33:44 37 28
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Most people I know who worked in the Public Sector, specifically in the administrative side of things, were very very pro-lockdown.
Those same people are now moaning because they are having to pay the price of gf=etting what they wanted.
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26/11/2020 10:41:15 35 9
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Maybe they just didn't want even more avoidable deaths?
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26/11/2020 10:43:59 7 4
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Exactly - the teaching union for example!

These public workers who are complaining hold your heads in shame your behaviour is disgusting we are in a pandemic trillions of pounds spent and all you are bothering the Gov about is a pay rise

Sickening whilst millions have no job, have lost hours of work, pay cuts. Put their lives on the front line just as much yet here you lot are moaning! Shameful
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26/11/2020 10:52:18 1 1
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Most people you knew?

Yup, most people i knew also, but just generally most people!

The amount around this country dead against a lockdown was very much in the minority due to it saving lives! Apparently most people felt that was more important than saving money, go figure.

Nobody is moaning more than the 'i didnt want this, its their fault' brigade of which you appear to be a member.
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26/11/2020 10:39:29 1 1
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Precisely. Check out comments on the Mail and the Guardian (mostly read by the public sector) to see the differing opinions.
26/11/2020 12:34:25 1 0
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I agreed with lockdown as an unfortunate necessity. I work in the public sector within administrative and have worked every day of lockdown from home and been busier than ever due to the "bit" I work in.
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26/11/2020 10:33:52 3 6
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1 choice youll find hard to find,even on bbc, is that of taxing co. pensions from 2030,hoping we wont revolt. MAin choices missing are what other taxes he'll increase (breaking yet another election promise) socialist,net
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26/11/2020 10:38:05 3 2
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the election promises were not based on a mass global pandemic.

Any idiot referring to moves made in the coming 2/3 years as a breach of 'manifesto pledges' exposing their small minded mentality.

Election manifestos are superseded, all of them, from all parties. Promises made are no longer relevant because there is a crisis.....wake up & be part of the solution, not a pathetic critic on the side
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????
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26/11/2020 10:30:20 18 27
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And yet we still march towards those "Sunlit uplands" of brexit. Absolutely CRAZY
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26/11/2020 10:33:54 24 8
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Just be thankful we will not be picking up the Euro Coronavirus 'tab'.....
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26/11/2020 10:43:56 4 1
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Nobody is picking it up yet, because the EU itself is a total mess politically. Can't decide on anything, very ineffective. We are best off out of it.
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26/11/2020 11:08:00 4 4
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I am Dutch and we can share that tab( wich is by the way a lot smaller per head of the population than yours) with 26 other countries .Who are you going to share yours with?
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26/11/2020 10:33:56 367 174
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Multi millionaire married to daughter of a billionaire tells poorly paid staff to take less pay

The Tory way , squeeze the poor till they drop
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26/11/2020 10:37:54 58 43
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The statement given by Rishi Sunak has interpreted as a pay freeze. So why are some getting a pay rise? I think there needs to be a better understanding of the expressions used to describe what he announced.
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26/11/2020 10:37:34 19 37
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Ah, typical leftie. The fact that Mr Sunack is used to successfully dealing with large sums of money makes him well qualified to be chancellor. Unlike Ms Dodds who has only ever done things theoretically!
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26/11/2020 11:11:29 17 34
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If it was labour we'd be in a horrific recession already.
Its the tories that generate the money while labour spend and act like socialists.
Take those rose tinted specs off !!!!
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26/11/2020 11:37:07 12 18
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They chose their jobs. Why should the private sector who have been hammered pay for a pay rise for state workers. How many state workers have been made unemployed. If any it is a lot less than in the private workforce!
26/11/2020 12:27:25 5 8
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I don't really here the old Socialist mantra of envy behond your comments, would you like to speak up a bit.....
As per usual the 'poor' public sectors workers can't be considered in the same way as thors working in private industry. Thats the problem with this country, let all the normal workers and value add businesses to the economy pay for the Activist hot bed of public sector workers
26/11/2020 12:54:16 3 2
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"The Tory way , squeeze the poor till they drop"

But many still voted for them to Get Brexit Done. Some people are very slow learners.
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26/11/2020 13:12:03 2 3
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Wow, the politics of envy. Why is sunak successful even before entering politics while I am not ???
26/11/2020 15:29:42 0 2
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Get a grip. If the only people allowed to make economic decisions were people who’d never had any business success or financial acumen we’d be limited to a Labour government
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Hex
26/11/2020 10:34:33 15 9
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Doesn't matter what he does he can't win.
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26/11/2020 10:53:05 3 6
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Of course, he’s a Tory, sensible people understand Tory failings.
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26/11/2020 10:34:39 9 11
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That's the thanks the NHS staff get for all their work, and risk to their own and their families' lives
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26/11/2020 10:40:29 2 3
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Hey, they got a round of applause every week. You don't think they should get an actual proportionate wage too do you?
179
26/11/2020 10:47:27 2 1
bbc
The NHS ARE getting a pay rise - they are EXCLUDED from the pay freeze - and rightly son! Do keep up ............
21
26/11/2020 10:34:41 12 11
bbc
The public sector unions want the moon on a stick, who do they think is going to pay for all the COVID support they demanded, where do they think the money comes from.

Let me guess “tax Amazon and Boris’ mates”
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26/11/2020 10:34:54 22 14
bbc
Did the MP's not vote themselves a 35% pay rise in the las couple of months, I seem to remember. As with the Covid situation, one rule for the MP's and another rule for the rest of us
41
26/11/2020 10:36:51 12 8
bbc
MPs can not vote themselves a pay rise, their pay was handed to an independent body in the 2000s -though when they did have control they consecutively voted again pay rises as they new it didn't look good.
48
26/11/2020 10:37:35 4 3
bbc
No they didnt
87
26/11/2020 10:40:33 5 1
bbc
Didn't they also give themselves £10k when they had to work from home to help cushion the blow? Can't recall getting anything when we were told to demobilise from the office and work from home.
RPH
26/11/2020 12:42:17 0 0
bbc
No they didn't. You remember wrong. Although they did used to. Regularly
23
26/11/2020 10:35:05 4 2
bbc
yes he does have to make tough choice but again its the small man in the street that has to pay we already poor thanks. now we are poorer for Christmas three cheers sir have a good Christmas we wont
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26/11/2020 10:35:06 9 7
bbc
100% justified, but fair frontline services retained their pay increase due to their work this last 12months.

The rest of the public sector however have not been battered by redundancy, immediate pay cuts in March 2020 & further risks of pay cuts/job losses the same way private sector has.

When trying to recover there should be no increases, even holding their pay is more than pvt sector gets
4
26/11/2020 10:30:59 632 28
bbc
Rishi Sunak: "I think it's a reasonable and proportionate response given the context"

Just as long as the pay freeze includes PMs.
25
26/11/2020 10:35:10 103 35
bbc
Project Managers?
197
26/11/2020 10:49:15 26 8
bbc
Parliamentary Members dear boy;-)
225
26/11/2020 10:52:13 13 3
bbc
Prevaricating miscreants
273
djf
26/11/2020 10:56:15 3 4
bbc
Post Modernists.
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Bob
26/11/2020 11:25:57 0 1
bbc
No. Pret a Mangers
Pontificating Morons is what they meant to say Removed
836
26/11/2020 11:39:31 2 1
bbc
probable muppets?
26/11/2020 13:08:01 0 1
bbc
Meanwhile he's busy destroying the freelance sector so his father in laws company can hover up that work. Usual Tories....lets give all the tech work to India.
26
adi
26/11/2020 10:35:13 5 4
bbc
Apparently there were some that wanted lockdown and furlough until end of 2021 and also e pay rise
27
26/11/2020 10:35:19 5 10
bbc
'Difficult decisions' but keeps the Triple Lock????

Happy to scrap other manifesto pledges but no, it is the young who must pay for a pandemic that bore no risk to them. Plus ça change...
212
26/11/2020 10:51:06 2 2
bbc
Ignorance personified.
364
26/11/2020 11:02:02 1 1
bbc
Typically selfish attitude. It may have affected them less but they contributed their fare share of spreading it around.
510
26/11/2020 11:13:03 1 1
bbc
The Chancellor has said that Public Sector workers earning less than £25k will be exempt from the pay freeze. MOST of the country's pensioners get less than £15k having worked their entire lives, and paid into the system for 35 or 40 years. BUT, cancelling the the Triple Lock would have a less than 0.001% impact on the VAST debt the country is facing.
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26/11/2020 10:35:30 5 16
bbc
Isn't it about time we addressed one of the biggest burdens to the public purse - pensions.
Surely now is the time to revise the triple-lock status, so that the cost of the anti-Covid measures is shared by all, not just those that are working.
44
26/11/2020 10:37:02 10 3
bbc
Surely pensioners have already been bearing the brunt of COVID - after all, they are the ones that are dying.
444
26/11/2020 11:07:52 0 1
bbc
I understand that balance should be part of the equation, Richard, but I am not sure that the money from the 'triple lock' will make even 0.001% of a difference to the GIANT borrowing debt. Furthermore, the chancellor is proposing those earning less than £25k be exempt from the public sector pay freeze. You'd be astonished at how few pensioners earn more than £15k! My state pension is £985 pm.
29
26/11/2020 10:35:41 10 9
bbc
The Brexit unicorn just became a jabbawock.
252
26/11/2020 10:37:46 3 1
bbc
Both mythical creatures, try and stay in the real world and keep a grasp.
30
26/11/2020 10:32:04 8 4
bbc
Do we really want to live in a world where we are forever in debt?

Look at the year 2000 in that chart...now it looks like whole system is broken. It seems since 2000, we are unable to live within our means BUT we also cannot compete with third world countries paying slave wages.

Time we made stuff rather than making numbers from other numbers. China will win otherwise...
523
26/11/2020 11:14:27 2 1
bbc
Totally agree. Lets start with PPE for the NHS then we won't have to rely on other countries including at least one in the EU who renege on international agreements because it suits them to do so.
31
26/11/2020 10:36:00 12 8
bbc
All those people enjoying last summer at home.... it has to be paid for
32
26/11/2020 10:36:06 274 49
bbc
Public sector are the easy target... What about curbing HS2 to save essential services, tax Amazon correctly, PAYE across all jobs and rid the country of loopholes!
229
26/11/2020 10:52:55 181 123
bbc
Good idea, lets take £100bn from HS2 which supports millions of private sector jobs so the communications manager in the local authority can get a 4% pay increase..
284
26/11/2020 10:57:03 27 28
bbc
The private sector is losing 100'000's of jobs. Public sector none. A pay freeze for all public sector (inc. MP's) is obvious.
392
26/11/2020 11:04:09 16 8
bbc
Loopholes are there to benefit the rich. The Tories will not get rid of them. Tory Lite party didn't either.
496
26/11/2020 11:11:38 5 7
bbc
Which PAYE loophole you are referring? If you mean PSC Contractor IR35, the Dividend loophole closed 4 years ago, yet the populist simplistic agenda just killed one of the highest GDP(£300B) generating industry cos HMRC didnt take into the total tax! I know a contractor who moved into permanent position & his tot tax paid last year as a PSC (seen evidence) was larger than his gross salary now!
586
26/11/2020 11:19:27 8 13
bbc
Another person who doesn't know the difference between income tax and corporation tax. If you take on the risk and build a company that employs thousands you are entitled to tax loopholes.
741
26/11/2020 11:32:15 4 1
bbc
Self employed wont go paye. They would lose a lot of their 'perks'.
26/11/2020 12:02:42 3 3
bbc
"tax Amazon correctly"

Amazon are taxed correctly. Their European profit is recorded in Luxembourg and I'm sure they pay the correct taxes there.
26/11/2020 15:40:01 0 0
bbc
According to the government, Amazon pays the tax it is required to pay, therefore it is taxed correctly. You are not the arbiter of who pays how much tax. If you don't like it, lobby the government about it.
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26/11/2020 10:32:15 49 34
bbc
Honestly do not understand what Anneliese Dodds and the people who demanded another lockdown expected. This is the outcome, unfortunately Labour and its supporters believe there is an unlimited amount of money to spend... hence what happened the last time they were in power.
33
26/11/2020 10:36:12 9 7
bbc
Clearly unlimited money to pay Ill thoughtout furlough for some. But these workers had to work all the lockdown
98
26/11/2020 10:41:08 7 3
bbc
I work in the private sector and have worked more hours since the lockdowns and furlough. There is no way I will be getting a pay increase, we are just about surviving as a company. To even contemplate a pay increase after this year is ludicrous.
26/11/2020 17:12:29 0 1
bbc
You mean they had to do the jobs they were paid for? Poor darlings, give them some compo!
34
26/11/2020 10:36:12 104 3
bbc
Do you have tough choices to make when contemplating whether MPs should receive their recommended pay rise?
183
26/11/2020 10:48:12 74 1
bbc
Well they are part of the Public Sector, and earning more than £25k - so I'm going with no. It is an easy choice to tell them they're not getting another penny UNTIL they sort out this mess!
26/11/2020 13:48:05 0 0
bbc
The government doesn't have any say in that. Before downvoting this comment, google it.
35
26/11/2020 10:36:24 5 3
bbc
This Self Delusion and Mass Hysteria should keep the Psychologists busy for years.
36
26/11/2020 10:36:25 24 16
bbc
Yet another Labour shadow chancellor displaying how utterly useless they are. I thought they had hit rock bottom with John McLyncher.
??

Get someone who sounds credible or continue to enjoy the wilderness. At least you have a few years to find one.
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26/11/2020 10:45:00 9 7
bbc
Utterly useless is an understatement ! Dodds just has not got a bloody clue - and I’m pretty sure even her ‘boss’ sat there in the HOC yesterday was grimacing at her every word - and ‘deep down , agreeing with all that Rishi Sunak has said!
164
26/11/2020 10:45:37 3 2
bbc
No ideas, just criticism. Business as usual from Her Majesty's opposition.
185
26/11/2020 10:48:16 4 3
bbc
If there was anyone more credible than Dodds don't you think Starmer would have replaced her by now? She's probably the best they've got which says all you need to know about the labour party
193
26/11/2020 10:49:03 3 5
bbc
And the cons have done sooooo well.

Worst 3 government financially for the UK in modern history

Maggie (By a mile) Cameron and now Borris/ May.
207
26/11/2020 10:50:23 1 3
bbc
Ridiculous, ignorant, failing deflection post.
476
26/11/2020 11:10:17 0 2
bbc
That won't be you then .
37
26/11/2020 10:36:28 214 29
bbc
I fully expect MP’s to take the 3k ish pay rise shortly. Matt Hancock has the perfect opportunity to say he would not take it the other day when questioned by GMTV but could not answer the question. This country wastes billions of pounds on pointless projects such as hs2 and will not reward people on low and middle incomes who have worked through this pandemic. Expect nothing else from this shower
171
26/11/2020 10:46:37 138 18
bbc
Might also be better if we halved the number of MPs. Far too many
26/11/2020 15:52:52 0 0
bbc
There's only 650 MP's so that won't make a huge difference. Much better to pilfer the wages of the millions of people who struggle week in week out. Keeping them poor must also keep them subservient.
26/11/2020 18:18:40 0 0
bbc
Britain led the world in the Victorian era by innovation and massive spending on infrastructure. Much of it we still rely on today.
Paying ourselves too well and demanding ever bigger handouts will not bring back prosperity, let alone glory.
We have to become competitive again. So modernise our infrastructure and maybe schooling but tighten our belts a little.
26/11/2020 19:57:13 0 0
bbc
Big shock. Someone was questioned on GMTV! Why did that not make the front pages?
dg
26/11/2020 20:53:43 0 0
bbc
Not "could not answer the question" nut "would not answer the question. (and seemed to find that funny)
38
OB3
26/11/2020 10:36:28 457 72
bbc
Why don't the Government postpone HS2, there's £100 Billion saving?
92
26/11/2020 10:40:40 176 26
bbc
I'm no fan of HS2 but there's no saving. All the companies on these contracts have clauses where they'll still get paid should the Government perform a u-turn.
121
26/11/2020 10:42:50 20 41
bbc
Because dog-whistle politics is no substitute for a detailed understanding of the strategic value of HS2.
123
26/11/2020 10:42:57 10 24
bbc
Why doesn’t the government postpone all road building and repair. That will save millions.
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mm
26/11/2020 10:44:46 13 5
bbc
Not to mention the 10sBillions of fraud
312
26/11/2020 10:58:58 2 3
bbc
Large infrastructure projects are a tried-and-tested strategy for economic stimulation.
441
26/11/2020 11:07:43 5 1
bbc
Unfortunately it's because of the 'sunk cost' phenomenon. The wasted money already spent would be more embarrassing than pushing ahead and wasting yet more money.

...and this isn't a Tory thing. They have a track record of cancelling things when large amounts of money have already been spent.
458
26/11/2020 11:09:01 2 12
bbc
Think HS2 is more important now. The amount of jobs it will create and support will be vital going forward
573
26/11/2020 11:09:50 1 5
bbc
It will create jobs even if it is a vanity project.
703
Bob
26/11/2020 11:29:29 0 4
bbc
Because construction firms will be fine with no money.

We can just make some new ones when this is all over.

And the millions of staff can just get new jobs.
26/11/2020 12:09:28 3 1
bbc
There will be some penalties, but huge saving will be made still. Letvalone stopping all the laying waste to the enviroment, ancient wiodlands etc. Running it will cost a fortune, no one wants it. Not even the rich busunessmen now they just adopted remote comferencing, Zoom, etc. No financial case left. Dead white elephant before construction.
26/11/2020 12:15:48 2 0
bbc
Replacement for trident there's another £100 billion plus saving
26/11/2020 12:28:18 0 1
bbc
Why don't the government postpone everything that will save a fortune...really get into the real world. Billions have already been spent. You sound like Analise Dodds haven't got a clue.
26/11/2020 13:49:38 0 1
bbc
It's not really going to save money in the short term as the cost will be spread over 16 years or so and in any case it is generating employment particularly in the West Midlands with 1,000's of high value jobs and engineering apprenticeships being created in the area. HS2 will also increase capacity to free up local line and take more freight off the roads in the long term, all positive stuff.
39
26/11/2020 10:36:38 39 21
bbc
I worked in the public sector for 31 years (fire service) and the pay is far from high, a fully qualified firefighter earns £30k a year. I now work in the public sector and earn that in a job that is 5 hours a week shorter and is a snip at the side of my last job. Public sector workers did not benefit from furlough as they worked through it all. The rich can afford it, most of them cannot.
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26/11/2020 10:39:05 24 11
bbc
"Public sector workers did not benefit from furlough as they worked through it all"
That's right, they kept working at full pay
97
26/11/2020 10:40:57 10 11
bbc
Retire when you're 55 and have another job on the side.

Yeah, being a firefighter must be a nightmare.
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Oz
26/11/2020 10:43:14 13 11
bbc
Public sector workers did benefit as they weren't furloughed, they retained full pay throughout and not all worked throughout you only had to see that. If people are that dissatisfied take the leap now then. They have job security and it is paid for by the Private sector, by the way i have worked in both, pay for public sector workers and benefits are good.
140
26/11/2020 10:44:21 12 10
bbc
I presume you are claiming your final salary firefighting pension! How long in your private sector job would you have to work to get the same?? Public sector used to be lower wages but better benefits. It is now, after the Blair years, way past the private sector for pay and benefits in comparable like for like jobs!
174
26/11/2020 10:47:03 12 8
bbc
the public sector did not work thru it all. They got paid thru it all. Did any public sector employee get furloughed on reduced pay? TfL staff were furloughed on full pay. They didn't feel any pain. Very few of us can afford the economic hardship, that doesn't mean the public sector should be immune from sharing the consequences of the economic bail out.
267
26/11/2020 10:55:45 7 8
bbc
Good pension. Retire early. High job security. £30k a year is a good salary and above average.
402
26/11/2020 11:04:57 4 6
bbc
A strange way to look at things "benefit from Furlough". Another way to look at is that Public sector workers did not have to put up with 80% of their pay, they have been on 100% right through and in many cases, also working from home
26/11/2020 19:25:50 1 0
bbc
£30k and a lovely pension at 55..... not enough for you ?
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26/11/2020 10:32:08 52 56
bbc
A note to all the public sector workers who are about to hit the keyboard moaning.

You have pretty much cast iron jobs and pensions. Many of us in the private sector, who generate much of the taxes to pay for you, have neither.

A pay freeze sounds like security and stability to me.

You are getting off lightly so suck it up and shut up!
40
26/11/2020 10:36:41 26 16
bbc
Enjoy your universal credit then
22
26/11/2020 10:34:54 22 14
bbc
Did the MP's not vote themselves a 35% pay rise in the las couple of months, I seem to remember. As with the Covid situation, one rule for the MP's and another rule for the rest of us
41
26/11/2020 10:36:51 12 8
bbc
MPs can not vote themselves a pay rise, their pay was handed to an independent body in the 2000s -though when they did have control they consecutively voted again pay rises as they new it didn't look good.
552
26/11/2020 11:16:34 1 1
bbc
Which is why they handed it to an independent body?
42
26/11/2020 10:36:54 13 6
bbc
This was always going to happen!

Don’t fight the economic response to lockdown

Fight the lockdown! You can’t destroy the economy and expect everything to be “normal” afterwards

Some of us have been warning about the destruction of living standards, rising unemployment and required austerity since March!!

Where were you all then? Saying we must lockdown to save life’s in many cases
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26/11/2020 10:47:13 5 5
bbc
Austerity was a choice and it failed!

Just look at the cost of track and trace and PPE all due to this failed policy.

Also if no lockdown and just went for free for all we could have lost 1.6 Million people and god knows how many long term sick, how much would that have cost not just this years but 20-40 years down the line.
495
26/11/2020 11:11:35 0 1
bbc
Yes, we could have applied the law of the jungle to Covid 19 and we'd be left with a population 100% resistant to it. And whilst those few of us who survived could have continued working, we would still have lost all of the incoming tourism which supports so much of our economy. And with the collapse of the NHS, the effect on the economy would have been just as bad.
618
26/11/2020 11:21:40 0 2
bbc
Just say how many deaths and long term illnesses you consider acceptable ?
The lockdowns are a direct result of government incompetence and the greed and short sightedness of their supporters.
43
26/11/2020 10:37:00 160 54
bbc
Ah its a great idea. Squeeze the poor ! Let them pay for our mistakes

Says ex Hedge Fund Manager married to a Billionaire's daughter.
137
26/11/2020 10:43:52 68 21
bbc
Business as usual Oysterman. But let's be sympathetic (???) and understanding (???) towards them. They have £25million pound homes to upkeep, and caviar, champagne and Teslas to buy out of their limited budget!
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26/11/2020 10:52:57 5 9
bbc
You will see that anyone earning less than £24k as well as NHS staff are exempt from this. The private sector has been decimated. Many are working harder than ever at a reduced wage (if they are lucky). I'm no fan of the tories but this is a fair and reasonable approach.
295
26/11/2020 10:42:05 9 13
bbc
Would you be making the same point if Sunak had previously been a postman and was married to a bus driver's daughter? What his employment history and in-laws have to do with it is irrelevant, unless of course you're jealous. Tough decisions have to be made. I work in the private sector, can't remember when I last had a pay rise and I don't enjoy a gold-plated pension. But that's my choice.
26/11/2020 12:04:11 8 5
bbc
Like the Shadow Chancellor Dodds he's Oxbridge educated. Unlike Dodds he's worked in the real world and understands the economics of the market. She, prior to election had spent her life in academia. I know who I'd prefer to run the public finances.
26/11/2020 20:34:16 1 1
bbc
We have a progressive tax system and inheritance tax, etc.
If you increased taxes, the rich would move their money offshore or simply leave themselves.
Even if you could take all their money and redistribute it, in a couple of years we would be worse off than we are now.
Jealousy really isn't productive.
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26/11/2020 10:35:30 5 16
bbc
Isn't it about time we addressed one of the biggest burdens to the public purse - pensions.
Surely now is the time to revise the triple-lock status, so that the cost of the anti-Covid measures is shared by all, not just those that are working.
44
26/11/2020 10:37:02 10 3
bbc
Surely pensioners have already been bearing the brunt of COVID - after all, they are the ones that are dying.
94
26/11/2020 10:40:51 1 2
bbc
So by extension of your argument, if Covid primarily kills pensioners then anti-Covid measures must therefore primarily be put in place to protect those pensioners.
So wouldn't that mean that they should bare more of the cost?
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26/11/2020 10:32:08 52 56
bbc
A note to all the public sector workers who are about to hit the keyboard moaning.

You have pretty much cast iron jobs and pensions. Many of us in the private sector, who generate much of the taxes to pay for you, have neither.

A pay freeze sounds like security and stability to me.

You are getting off lightly so suck it up and shut up!
45
26/11/2020 10:37:25 15 9
bbc
Yeah, maybe the fire service should go private and then ypu’d pay a whole lot more.
287
26/11/2020 10:57:13 4 2
bbc
Can you remind me of the retirement age in the fire service?
46
26/11/2020 10:37:29 14 13
bbc
You have to laugh at these people. Public sector workers got 100% of pay when everyone else didn't. A lot refused to work when asked. Still do not want to work now and have Unions involved trying to stop them. Yet they expect a pay rise, all while receiving golden final or average salary pensions. Get in the real world!!
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mm
26/11/2020 10:42:45 1 2
bbc
If I said what I feel I am sure it would be blocked. Final salary pensions do not exist any more. You clearly get your 'facts' from the tabloids. Try dealing with thousands of claims for support and trying to weed out those from criminals. What great support do you offer? Incandescent!
132
26/11/2020 10:43:41 0 2
bbc
Good funded pension is something all should have a right too, It was something given to Teachers, Doctors etc. so they would do the Job part of their wages not a gift or a perk.
A teacher in their lifetime will make the country way more then they cost.
Firefighters etc keep the cost of you insurance down massively and more than cover the cost etc.

The public sector isn't a burden!
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26/11/2020 10:45:16 2 1
bbc
It’s worth remembering that many essential workers that we all rely on everyday are in the private sector e.g. water, electricity, gas, telecoms, road transport, food shops, etc
Whereas many public sector jobs aren’t so immediately essential
199
26/11/2020 10:49:19 0 2
bbc
‘A lot refused to work’ Who refused to work? All public services as normal throughout where I live.
354
26/11/2020 11:01:02 1 1
bbc
Plenty teachers did not provide any teaching or homework when schools were closed. Some did like my boys school but plenty did not and yet here they are demanding and crying of no pay rise!! What planet are they on!!

A humble attitude considering the extreme circumstances we are in would be better instead of selfishness and greed!!
26/11/2020 13:17:58 0 0
bbc
You're complaining that people got paid for doing their jobs at a time when doing those jobs placed them at significant personal risk. You got to sleep in and watch daytime TV while others kept the country working.
13
26/11/2020 10:33:28 8 17
bbc
only wish that Rishi Sunak was prime minister.
47
26/11/2020 10:37:35 6 5
bbc
Sunak or Johnson? Or even Raab, Patel, Hancock or Williamson? It's like trying to choose which disease I'd most like to have.
22
26/11/2020 10:34:54 22 14
bbc
Did the MP's not vote themselves a 35% pay rise in the las couple of months, I seem to remember. As with the Covid situation, one rule for the MP's and another rule for the rest of us
48
26/11/2020 10:37:35 4 3
bbc
No they didnt
49
26/11/2020 10:37:45 22 9
bbc
None of us can expect pay rises in the current circumstances
81
26/11/2020 10:40:20 26 4
bbc
None of us SHOULD expect pay increases in the current circumstances Harry, but just wait and see all the Directors that get an increase, either directly, or via shares or bonuses.
50
26/11/2020 10:37:47 486 11
bbc
As long as all MP’s are included in the pay freeze and include their perks. And don’t forget the Devolved politicians in the pay freeze.
173
26/11/2020 10:46:55 124 15
bbc
We all know they won't be.
932
26/11/2020 11:51:44 14 6
bbc
When the times are good private sector get bonuses and pay reflecting the buoyant market. When the times are not so good private sector is understandably reflective. A variable rate if you like.

However, public sector don't get the good times it seems, not even a fixed rate at that, as it appears public sector pay just reflects when it's the bad times.. . .
26/11/2020 11:59:22 4 8
bbc
"As long as all MP’s are included in the pay freeze"

That is complete irrational. It doesn't make it any better for millions of low paid public sector workers knowing MPs have had their pay frozen too.
26/11/2020 12:02:10 4 3
bbc
A covid sales tax which EVERYONE pays, (no relief for business) would be much better than continuing austerity for those who have been there for ten years already, a 4% - 5% would bring in around 40 billion a year, that would be fair.

But the Conservative rule/play book rule no 1 freeze wages where ever possible, and trust me this will not be the end of freezes and cuts (Rule no 2) benefits cuts
26/11/2020 12:27:04 1 0
bbc
They're sitting pretty on £85K a year with cushie second jobs
26/11/2020 13:16:11 0 0
bbc
Except one of those devolved politicians - Kate Forbes MSP the Finance Minister for Scotland - has denounced Rishi Sunak's pay freeze for public sector workers and as good as confirmed no such pay freeze will take place for Scotland's local government workers, GPs or teachers.
26/11/2020 13:38:26 1 0
bbc
Boris and Rishi have already pushed for a pay freeze for MPs
26/11/2020 13:59:05 0 0
bbc
It would seem that Bozo, The Raab, Govam, Pettle, Handjob, Baker boy, Grayling, Antique man leader of the house have given you a thumbs down
26/11/2020 14:53:28 0 0
bbc
As covid has proved MPS don't need a second home in London at taxpayers expense use the constituency offices I'm sure the tech will be improved cause the gov don't calculate or chase big companies that owe taxes but heaven help hard working man who retires after 40yrs gets a lump sum and owes £500. Half the MPS and no nepotism or over the top payoffs when they break the rules
26/11/2020 20:18:16 0 0
bbc
Just get rid of the devolved parliaments to save a bit of money.
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26/11/2020 10:37:47 200 79
bbc
Yet still pouring billions of our money into HS2 and to mates of the ERG.

This level of corruption would have made Stalin blush.

I'm shocked so many people that voted Tory aren't livid about the situation, except for those who desperately try to defend their conduct with unsubstantiated claims like "it would be worse if labour were in charge".
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26/11/2020 10:40:24 169 112
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you'd be even more shocked if Anneliese Dodds was in charge of anything. She is woefully out of her depth and clearly has no understanding of anything except how to oppose everything for the sake of it
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26/11/2020 11:10:52 29 10
bbc
That's right. I mean look at the history of how well Blair/Brown did as the most successful Labour Govt.

They left the country almost bankrupt, signed away the future with the corrupt deals to build hospitals and schools with PFIs (whose mates got those sweet deals?) and as Basil Fawlty would say, "Don't mention the war!"
26/11/2020 12:08:47 10 8
bbc
And if they pulled HS2, you'd be on here berating the government for wasting the monies already spent on that project.

Corruption? Like Italy and quite a few other EU countries?

And I'm guessing your view is that everything would be perfect under Labour?
26/11/2020 13:10:50 8 7
bbc
"unsubstantiated claims like "it would be worse if labour were in charge"

Except that based on their fairy tales manifesto and past performance we know they would right royally make it worse!!!!
26/11/2020 13:37:05 3 0
bbc
"I'm shocked so many people that voted Tory aren't livid about the situation"

Many can't be critical of the party they voted for as it may reflect on their judgment. Some here would defend this shambolic Govt if they started eating babies.
26/11/2020 13:50:27 1 1
bbc
Complete hyperbolic garbage
26/11/2020 17:10:49 1 0
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I see your knowledge of history is a limited as the number of brain cells you possess !
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26/11/2020 10:33:56 367 174
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Multi millionaire married to daughter of a billionaire tells poorly paid staff to take less pay

The Tory way , squeeze the poor till they drop
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26/11/2020 10:37:54 58 43
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The statement given by Rishi Sunak has interpreted as a pay freeze. So why are some getting a pay rise? I think there needs to be a better understanding of the expressions used to describe what he announced.
328
26/11/2020 10:59:38 5 3
bbc
What planet are you from?
26/11/2020 13:08:43 2 3
bbc
I doubt that facts and sensible comment will stop the keyboard socialists making silly posts
26/11/2020 16:59:47 0 1
bbc
Around 50% of public sector workers will get a pay rise plus probably an increment whilst the highly paid rest will presumably still get their annual increments merely from having been in their job for another year.
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26/11/2020 10:34:18 5 7
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The lad has done well with cutting Foreign Aid. Now we need tax cuts for workers, benefit cuts for the feckless, and the abolition of the Barnett formula.

English taxes spent in England. Should be his ongoing slogan.
95
26/11/2020 10:40:51 3 0
bbc
Are you really the voice of little England?
54
26/11/2020 10:34:27 7 4
bbc
During the last "pay-freeze" every civil servant I worked with had pay increases linked to either performance, bonus or their relative position on pay scales. As for the teachers most of them wanted to close schools (according to the BBC).
2
26/11/2020 10:30:20 18 27
bbc
And yet we still march towards those "Sunlit uplands" of brexit. Absolutely CRAZY
55
26/11/2020 10:35:49 4 1
bbc
We arrived earlier in the year.
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26/11/2020 10:38:01 39 6
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If you have to borrow, shed loads of money, to get people and the country through this Pandemic, you have to realise that, it has to be paid back, sooner, rather than later.

Sadly Public Sector workers suffer. However, maybe, Mr. Sunak, needs to target some of the companies that have really prospered during the Pandemic, and hit them hard, for Profiteering.
26/11/2020 13:50:50 1 3
bbc
Commas, used with, reckless abandon, in that, comment. ; P
27/11/2020 12:36:35 0 0
bbc
Or the non tax paying non domiciles maybe!
57
26/11/2020 10:38:05 5 2
bbc
I wonder if he'll say no to his pay rise
80
26/11/2020 10:40:11 2 1
bbc
Not a chance
16
26/11/2020 10:33:52 3 6
bbc
1 choice youll find hard to find,even on bbc, is that of taxing co. pensions from 2030,hoping we wont revolt. MAin choices missing are what other taxes he'll increase (breaking yet another election promise) socialist,net
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26/11/2020 10:38:05 3 2
bbc
the election promises were not based on a mass global pandemic.

Any idiot referring to moves made in the coming 2/3 years as a breach of 'manifesto pledges' exposing their small minded mentality.

Election manifestos are superseded, all of them, from all parties. Promises made are no longer relevant because there is a crisis.....wake up & be part of the solution, not a pathetic critic on the side
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26/11/2020 10:38:07 12 7
bbc
Left wing Dinosaurs like McCluskey need to shut up and not wreck our chances of getting out of this, the private sector pays for the public sector and if that's in trouble you can't have mega pay rises.
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26/11/2020 10:44:53 3 4
bbc
These days it’s the other way round. The tax payer paying for the private sector. Endless subsidies and bail outs.
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26/11/2020 10:38:11 81 30
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If you run a hedge fund, or private equity company, just text your tory mates for a multimillion pound PPE contract, even if you've never worked in that sector before.

If you have struggled on in a key job to keep the country going through a pandemic - expect a pay freeze!

Tories aren't "evil" this is just what they think matters.
26/11/2020 14:32:45 11 12
bbc
Tories are evil precisely because this is what they think matters.
27/11/2020 12:05:10 0 0
bbc
and CRB checks, PPI they were whose idea?
27/11/2020 12:05:34 0 0
bbc
Correction PPI - > PFI
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JGC
26/11/2020 10:38:13 6 3
bbc
If you were one of those clamoring for the original lockdown, then more lockdowns, harsher lockdowns, longer lockdowns. This is the consequence of that. The UK economy is predicted to see the largest fall for 300 years. That's going to cost us all. A lot. The public sector is not immune to this. And it could well cost more lives, as poverty is also a significant cause of deaths.
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26/11/2020 10:38:16 54 42
bbc
Sorry but as someone working in the private sector who has taken a 20% pay cut and not had a pay rise for years I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever. I worked through lockdowns with extended hours to cover staff who were either venerable or isolating with holidays cancelled until 2021.
Suggest you shut up frankly
143
26/11/2020 10:44:35 39 18
bbc
Your employer is blatantly exploiting you.
248
26/11/2020 10:54:35 8 10
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Get a job in the public sector then.
293
26/11/2020 10:57:50 22 13
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Exactly!! I’ve been a key worker in the private sector. I’ve worked throughout this pandemic. I’ve had no extra bonuses or rewards.

What I did get was pay deducted from me because I had to provide emergency childcare cover to a front line worker!

And to hear these public sector groups complaining of no pay rise it makes me sick!

How selfish can you get!
We’ve all been hit hard.
Now shut up
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26/11/2020 10:57:58 11 17
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I`ve had it bad so everyone else should. Thank god our forefathers didn't have that attitude and fought for a better life for future generations.

People like you are the problem not the solution.
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26/11/2020 10:59:45 17 15
bbc
Well said, they dont know they are born. Teachers want a pay rise despite being at home most of the year. Hour for lunch and a gold plated pension too.
464
26/11/2020 11:09:18 2 3
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Fake news !
829
26/11/2020 11:38:48 3 1
bbc
Best post on this thread by far, Very well said,
958
26/11/2020 11:55:55 3 1
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You have it bad. Therefore so must everybody else.
26/11/2020 12:07:07 3 4
bbc
Same here! But I dont think we need a pay rise, not when the nation is on its knees and people are losing their jobs and homes.

Its not like any of us in the public sector are stuggling to make ends meet.
26/11/2020 13:18:26 1 1
bbc
I've worked in the private sector my entire life :
Good things - Salary, interesting & varied work
Bad things - constant job insecurity, compensation booms and busts, poor pension
In my first job, everyone I knew had a final salary pension. These disappeared in private sector jobs in the 80's. It feels unfair that it only remains in the public sector that we all pay for.
They are a huge benefit
26/11/2020 13:26:50 0 0
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I'm wondering if the reason this is so partisan is that very few have worked in both pubic and private sector. The grass is always greener ....
26/11/2020 13:38:28 0 0
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At least you are sorry. That is the very least we can hope from you.
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26/11/2020 10:38:22 171 19
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There are (at least) 2 public sectors. The essential and the not required. In Wales we have 22 unitary authorities for a population of 3 million. This can be cut down to 4. The money saved by realigning the public sector to society's needs should start now. We have lost too many jobs already, so we need a controlled reduction in the non essential public sector as the economy improves. A long haul.
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26/11/2020 10:48:15 143 8
bbc
Three layers of local government where I live, borough, metropolitan, and city region All three have their own offices, staff and executives Therefore massive potential savings if combined in to one
399
26/11/2020 11:04:39 11 12
bbc
Yes we need more party planners and business consultants and fewer social workers and teachers .
How about a few more planeless aircraft carriers!
26/11/2020 12:28:43 4 1
bbc
So you wish to add to the job losses
26/11/2020 12:31:14 7 1
bbc
'we have lost too many jobs already' - then you go on to talk about how we can put thousands of people out of work? makes sense!
26/11/2020 12:56:37 5 3
bbc
You claim to live in Ebbw Vale? So you'd be happy with one council based in Cardiff to serve your area then? That's where the SE Wales council would be sited.

For those who don't know the local geography, this poster is arguing we should govern Liverpool from a council based in Manchester, or Stoke from Chester, or Bristol from Gloucester in terms of distance.

It's ludicrous nonsense.
26/11/2020 13:45:13 1 1
bbc
"There are (at least) 2 public sectors. The essential and the not required."

When people says jobs are not required (typically NHS managers) it usually means they don't know what those people do, and assume they do nothing.
26/11/2020 13:49:31 1 0
bbc
Spot on
26/11/2020 17:06:30 1 0
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Politicians daren't reform the public sector bloat. Many of them are part of the gravy train anyway. The waste is astronomical.
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26/11/2020 10:38:28 9 7
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The economy is suffering and the lower paid and unprotected in the private sector need relief.

BUT:
a) Public sector workers have been on a pay freeze for 7 of the last 10 years, including nurses whose strikes went ignored
b) MPs just gave themselves a pay rise when they're some of the best paid public sector staff already
c) People are parroting nonsense about paying our wages
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26/11/2020 10:42:12 1 1
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I agree with a and b but C? Where do you think public sector money and wages comes from exactly?

The private sector pays for the public sector, its that simple
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CEP
26/11/2020 10:38:40 9 8
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As a public sector worker who has had 3 pay freezes over the last 5 years I will remember this at the ballot box
102
26/11/2020 10:41:24 2 0
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Tell me you didn't vote Tory last time?
105
26/11/2020 10:41:34 0 3
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will you conveniently forget the stench of anti-Semitism in the labour party?
190
26/11/2020 10:48:43 2 5
bbc
Don't forget the generous pension you'll receive, most people will never have a pension like that. Stop moaning, you're not the only one that's had pay freezes over the last decade.
353
26/11/2020 11:01:00 0 0
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Lucky you.
Haven't had a decent pay rise since 2010 after Brown screwed the country. Try working in the private sector if you don't want a payrise !
66
26/11/2020 10:38:41 73 3
bbc
Let's see if we are really 'all in this together'
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26/11/2020 10:42:22 61 2
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Never have been
643
26/11/2020 11:23:49 4 0
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'Course we are.
It's just some of us are more 'in it' than others.
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26/11/2020 10:38:42 8 10
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Poorest earners will get a pay increase. Everyone else pays. Couldn't be fairer really. Public sector workers are used to guaranteed pay rises each year when the world just does not work that way. Many public sector workers are lazy not skilled enough to survive in the private sector - yet they expect to be paid MORE than the private sector. Absolute bonkers.
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26/11/2020 10:38:58 2 2
bbc
Not surprising the way the conservatives have been borrowing the previous year, this was expected to happen. Now Bojo and Sunak know that there is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow they created.

With the UK further indebted, i wonder who is buying the tab for our country to continue to operate? China perhaps?
128
26/11/2020 10:43:22 1 1
bbc
So you would rather they do nothing to combat something that has ravaged the country?
69
26/11/2020 10:38:59 2 2
bbc
Must admit, not having debt or having borrowed to the hilt to own a home feels wonderful.
39
26/11/2020 10:36:38 39 21
bbc
I worked in the public sector for 31 years (fire service) and the pay is far from high, a fully qualified firefighter earns £30k a year. I now work in the public sector and earn that in a job that is 5 hours a week shorter and is a snip at the side of my last job. Public sector workers did not benefit from furlough as they worked through it all. The rich can afford it, most of them cannot.
70
26/11/2020 10:39:05 24 11
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"Public sector workers did not benefit from furlough as they worked through it all"
That's right, they kept working at full pay
157
26/11/2020 10:45:07 14 3
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Thats right, they weren’t sat on their backsides for 80% pay like most of the country.
512
26/11/2020 11:13:41 12 3
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Unlike the private sector who got paid for not working at all.
26/11/2020 14:36:08 0 0
bbc
So?
71
26/11/2020 10:39:08 6 1
bbc
Most people are lucky to have a job at the moment, so we keep getting told!!!!!!!!!
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26/11/2020 10:39:09 8 6
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Dammed if you do dammed if you don’t!

Instead of those specific public sector workers unfairly criticising the Government because they didn’t get their pay rise

Spare a thought for those people who’s jobs have been lost and businesses destroyed!

Show some decency, thankfulness and gratitude you still have a job with a very healthy salary!

Now shut up and suck it up instead of being so greedy!
73
26/11/2020 10:39:11 12 5
bbc
Make some tough choices (in terms of Tory donor expectations) instead - and actively target international tax avoidance by UK individuals and companies.
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26/11/2020 10:39:18 288 86
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Tough choices? LOL

‘Shall I clamp down on off-short tax avoidance?’

‘Nah….let Teachers, Police, Firefighters & the Army pay it instead’

This is an easy choice for this Government
292
26/11/2020 10:57:44 20 7
bbc
Stop putting the wind up Margaret Hodge.
309
26/11/2020 10:58:49 1 0
bbc
Is 'off-short' a long shot?
455
26/11/2020 11:08:43 12 8
bbc
They could go after the rich with a stamp duty , capital gains tax or inheritance tax hike. No, lets get the oh so loaded police, teachers, firemen, binmen to pay for it. Disgusting.
26/11/2020 13:27:39 2 7
bbc
The police, Army and Firefighters, not to mention Nurses, wish they were paid as much as teachers hourly pay!
26/11/2020 14:09:41 4 1
bbc
You're absolutely right, although I see there have been some stupid replies from the usual suspects.

Virtually all the wealth in the UK is produced by the masses but kept by the rich, who sit on most of it because they can only utilise a tiny proportion of it.

The wealthy in reality only pay around 1% tax based on their wealth; we pay between 20-60% on ours, dependent on our earnings.
xlr
26/11/2020 14:24:08 0 0
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Not to mention a third of researchers in universities are also considered public sector employees.

"Congrats on that vaccine, you've saved us all. Here's a pay cut."
26/11/2020 17:00:35 0 0
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At least they've got a job!
26/11/2020 18:10:45 0 0
bbc
The EU have been trying to clamp down on tax avoiders and make Amazon, Ebay, Google, etc pay fairly.
UK alone can't tackle these issues - we would just be side-stepped.
And, anyway, there isn't the will.
What were the real reasons for Brexit?
Haven't you worked it out yet?
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26/11/2020 10:32:08 52 56
bbc
A note to all the public sector workers who are about to hit the keyboard moaning.

You have pretty much cast iron jobs and pensions. Many of us in the private sector, who generate much of the taxes to pay for you, have neither.

A pay freeze sounds like security and stability to me.

You are getting off lightly so suck it up and shut up!
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26/11/2020 10:39:35 17 10
bbc
Please speak to some public sector workers about their 'cast iron' job security and their wonderful pensions. Pensions have been cut hard since 2010 and there have been massive redundancies in local councils, universities etc. Nursing and teaching are careers where you can always find a job, mainly because these are unpopular and badly paid so no one wants to do these.
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26/11/2020 10:39:45 6 9
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Lots of phone in waffle on 5 Live yesterday, with one representative bemoaning the fact that all public sector workers are heroes. All? Some NHS and emergency services agreed. But All? No chance.

I have a friend who works in the DWP and miraculously people sudden identified as asthmatic despite never having any medication. Furlough + Chill. Easy street for some deceivers.
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26/11/2020 10:42:32 2 0
bbc
"bemoaning the fact that.....no chance"

So is it a fact or not?
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26/11/2020 10:39:47 495 24
bbc
Here’s a couple of tough calls. Tax the tech companies (Facebook, amazon,google) correctly. Make people like Sir Philip Green stop raiding their employees pension pots. Stop any MPs pay raise. Stop MPs having any extra income and second jobs. Stop ministers giving contracts to their mates.
626
26/11/2020 11:22:30 66 84
bbc
Sadly the UK can do nothing for international tax rules. Sadly this is not a practical strategy.
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26/11/2020 11:23:00 11 31
bbc
Deluded.
How much tax do you think is generated by 100's of thousands of staff,subsidiaries etc?
You people need to stop looking at pushing this organisations away !!!!
They generate huge amounts in many different ways.
689
26/11/2020 11:28:22 14 4
bbc
Oh come on, how do you expect these poor MPs to live, they've been working night and day since Covid... sort of like a lot of public sector workers.... wait...
690
26/11/2020 11:28:33 8 3
bbc
Tech comps are based abroad, with minimum presence in the UK. They pay tax for the parts here, but the main tax bill is elsewhere.
The next 2 should be implemented. The 1st by a change in the law and proper auditing. The 2nd by change of the law.
What's to stop wives, or close friends becoming advisors to companies ?
Theoretically illegal to give contracts without tenders. I stress 1st word.
771
26/11/2020 11:34:25 12 6
bbc
Mps earn about 80k. Treble that so you know a fixed figure.,no expenses no second jobs,no ambiguity.
Would you do it and get all the flak for 80k?
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WM
26/11/2020 11:54:19 5 0
bbc
Correctly is subjective as they are currently legal...
26/11/2020 12:30:44 3 3
bbc
"Tax the tech companies (Facebook, amazon,google)
Stop MPs having any extra income and second jobs
Stop ministers giving contracts to their mates"

Anyone can copy what others are saying and reel that stuff out. Without any workable proposals it is just more hollow rhetoric.
26/11/2020 12:57:26 1 0
bbc
Think in addition, no one in Government should be allowed to be on the board of a company that is given a contract and that should be the case for at least 5 years after that governments term of office ends as well (NOT if the MP steps out of government), that way we can be more comfortable that they have got the contract on merit.
fos
26/11/2020 13:15:04 0 1
bbc
Yawn
db
26/11/2020 14:11:33 0 1
bbc
If it was that easy to tax the tech companies more or as you put it "correctly" we would already be doing it.
26/11/2020 15:40:49 0 0
bbc
Need to look at taxing remote internet based businesses differently. They upstream profits by tf pricing overcharging UK ops for admin services eg IT/ advertising, treasury management etc. Tried and tested practices also used by bricks and mortar companies like Starbucks, McDonalds etc. Tightening transfer pricing regs and look at a gross sales tax for online operators needs to be looked at.
27/11/2020 09:12:27 0 0
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dream on dave
27/11/2020 11:14:28 0 0
bbc
Let them have second jobs and other income, just subtract £ for £ any extra income from their State salaries and expenses.
27/11/2020 11:16:01 0 0
bbc
And stop the abomination that is HS2
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26/11/2020 10:40:07 6 16
bbc
Don't freeze public sector pay - CUT IT!

If the largest death count in Europe wasn't a good enough reason to bemoan the NHS then their TicTok dancing as the bodies were piled up certainly was.

Local authorities need trimming back too - as do their pensions.

The workshy teachers have let down pupils by taking 6 months off.

And the police have proved themselves toothless in the BLM fiasco.

Cuts
211
26/11/2020 10:50:40 2 0
bbc
What happened to you to make you this way? Was it just how you were raised?
26/11/2020 12:11:52 0 0
bbc
Your real name is either Johnson, Gove or Rees-Mogg then.
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DC
26/11/2020 10:40:10 3 1
bbc
Looking at that graph our borrowing has been out of control for a long time anyway. Ever since we bailed the banks out. We, as a nation, need to face up to the task of getting this debt down to sustainable levels otherwise we are just kicking the can down the road. Hard choices need to be made, spend less, review taxes, loop holes, make the economy global - we need a once in a generation leader.
142
26/11/2020 10:44:25 1 0
bbc
Bozzer is clearly no Churchill.
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26/11/2020 10:38:05 5 2
bbc
I wonder if he'll say no to his pay rise
80
26/11/2020 10:40:11 2 1
bbc
Not a chance
49
26/11/2020 10:37:45 22 9
bbc
None of us can expect pay rises in the current circumstances
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26/11/2020 10:40:20 26 4
bbc
None of us SHOULD expect pay increases in the current circumstances Harry, but just wait and see all the Directors that get an increase, either directly, or via shares or bonuses.
200
26/11/2020 10:49:24 2 2
bbc
unlikely in many cases, one of the directors I worked for once has just lost his business entirely - no bonuses,
no shares and 250 people without a job. Unless you benefitted from lockdown (very few) there will be pain from top to bottom

This is why lockdown was a terrible decision
26/11/2020 13:16:26 0 0
bbc
I'm self employed and a Director/shareholder of my Ltd company - I've had zero business since March and zero help from the government schemes. Zero. So I doubt any bonus coming this year!
27/11/2020 12:35:38 0 0
bbc
and how many of them, like the former RBS banker, support Labour?
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26/11/2020 10:37:47 200 79
bbc
Yet still pouring billions of our money into HS2 and to mates of the ERG.

This level of corruption would have made Stalin blush.

I'm shocked so many people that voted Tory aren't livid about the situation, except for those who desperately try to defend their conduct with unsubstantiated claims like "it would be worse if labour were in charge".
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26/11/2020 10:40:24 169 112
bbc
you'd be even more shocked if Anneliese Dodds was in charge of anything. She is woefully out of her depth and clearly has no understanding of anything except how to oppose everything for the sake of it
150
26/11/2020 10:44:54 30 13
bbc
Nobody cares for this hypothetical "it'd be worse if..." nonsense. It's just transparent deflection from the topic at hand.
196
26/11/2020 10:49:09 9 7
bbc
Would be better off with Ken Dodd. He would have generated billions by mining jam butties. Propose that one Annie....
307
26/11/2020 10:58:40 9 6
bbc
And short seller Sunak isn't?
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Ian
26/11/2020 10:40:24 8 3
bbc
We are heavily in debt and even more so when the contingent liabilities are added. However, noticed that the talk of pensions excluded the MP's and public sector. Public sector pensions should be funded in the same way as company pensions to get a level playing field. The current cost of employing staff in the public sector should be stated and can be done. The outcome would not read well.
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26/11/2020 10:42:43 3 1
bbc
It’s not them against you. Everyone should have a right to a good pension
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gdj
26/11/2020 10:40:26 4 8
bbc
Love how the teachers are moaning about a freeze when they had another 3 months holiday on full pay back in March-June, and also civil servants think they were the only ones working in lockdown when millions of others were working.
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26/11/2020 10:45:10 5 0
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Teachers are not moaning. Teaching unions will moan and the press will highlight teachers not getting a rise; but teachers generally are not and will not.

As the husband of a teacher who worked, like most through closures, your ignorance on the concept of a 'holiday' can only be seen as matching that of many others in the population who are clueless as to what the job entails.
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26/11/2020 10:34:39 9 11
bbc
That's the thanks the NHS staff get for all their work, and risk to their own and their families' lives
85
26/11/2020 10:40:29 2 3
bbc
Hey, they got a round of applause every week. You don't think they should get an actual proportionate wage too do you?
86
26/11/2020 10:40:33 30 14
bbc
There should be no public sector pay rise - including MPs. Tough for some, but at least workers have job security, good holidays and pension.

Private companies who took furlough should be stopped from paying dividends, and/or there should be a temporary increase in corporation tax.

We’re all in this together...
726
26/11/2020 11:31:17 20 4
bbc
"We’re all in this together..."

Yep, that's what everyone's saying down the food bank as well.
26/11/2020 14:20:28 1 0
bbc
"Private companies who took furlough should be stopped from paying dividends"

Why? Furlough was to keep people employed while not working, not to boost company profits. There is no case to punish shareholders.
27/11/2020 12:20:14 0 0
bbc
Many were, so if you have a private pension fund, you chipped in to save the NHS etc
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26/11/2020 10:34:54 22 14
bbc
Did the MP's not vote themselves a 35% pay rise in the las couple of months, I seem to remember. As with the Covid situation, one rule for the MP's and another rule for the rest of us
87
26/11/2020 10:40:33 5 1
bbc
Didn't they also give themselves £10k when they had to work from home to help cushion the blow? Can't recall getting anything when we were told to demobilise from the office and work from home.
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26/11/2020 10:32:15 49 34
bbc
Honestly do not understand what Anneliese Dodds and the people who demanded another lockdown expected. This is the outcome, unfortunately Labour and its supporters believe there is an unlimited amount of money to spend... hence what happened the last time they were in power.
88
26/11/2020 10:40:37 7 5
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their pathetic response this week expose them as simply arguing and confusing the messages for political gain, not for the good of the country, you'd have thought they'd learn from the pathetic last 5 years of labour strategy

Dodds refused this morning again to acknowledge the level of funding, and refused to admit that it will take cuts and taxes by labour or Tory to recover....hypocrites
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AJL
26/11/2020 10:40:37 11 5
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Yet more pain caused by this Conservative Coronavirus!

As an aside, it looks like Rishi has aged terribly over the last 8 months. The pressure of maintaining all the financial lies must be getting to him.
Spare a thought for no dealers and anti-vaxxers this Christmas because there is still no cure for stupid. Removed
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Cam
26/11/2020 10:40:39 33 12
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Haha, excellent.
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26/11/2020 10:40:39 19 8
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Thankfully the man/woman on the street and a few on here fully understand the situation and didn’t expect anything else
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OB3
26/11/2020 10:36:28 457 72
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Why don't the Government postpone HS2, there's £100 Billion saving?
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26/11/2020 10:40:40 176 26
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I'm no fan of HS2 but there's no saving. All the companies on these contracts have clauses where they'll still get paid should the Government perform a u-turn.
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26/11/2020 10:43:09 24 8
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That might be true, but at least no need to waste more money running the white elephant
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26/11/2020 10:43:51 22 8
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Why would a government sign that kind of deal? Not cronys again surely
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26/11/2020 10:45:02 25 6
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Utter rubbish, they would get their costs to date and a % of anticipated profit on their costs
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26/11/2020 10:51:19 22 5
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Good point. Except of course the deals signed up for are at the costs that the companies said they would do it for, and as we all know, when the Govt is paying the bill the final costs will at least double and probably treble, so if we cancel the hidden savings would be huge.
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26/11/2020 10:56:27 3 1
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Sue us !
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26/11/2020 11:08:28 3 1
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You are correct, HS-2 contracts are drawn up in such a way, but they also specify a time constraint, which is why HS-2 company is steam rolling, (no pun intended), work along. Order from their management is100% employment and no slack time is the rule of the day apparently. Disgraceful treatment of people and property in the way.
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26/11/2020 11:08:30 5 2
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And the Tories are supposed to be commercially aware? They are the party for business, as long as contracts go to their friends and acquaintances.
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26/11/2020 11:30:16 1 1
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Not true.
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26/11/2020 11:32:49 2 2
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Possibly true but with a government that thinks nothing about breaking international law contract law would be a breeze and actually justified
26/11/2020 12:01:17 2 2
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"All the companies on these contracts have clauses where they'll still get paid should the Government perform a u-turn"

Quite right too. You can't just cancel contracts that have been entered into. Unless they are EU Withdrawal Agreements apparently.
26/11/2020 12:12:04 1 0
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More like all the companies with contracts have other firms they want to get involved so they can all get there snouts in the trough
26/11/2020 12:23:36 2 0
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This could be nullified through force majeure. So savings could be made if there was a will to do so.
26/11/2020 13:06:48 0 0
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Then at least sack the civil servants who sign our money up to such ridiculous terms!
26/11/2020 13:48:19 0 0
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They dont have to take the money though no-one is forcing them, there could be an ethical dimension
26/11/2020 14:07:34 1 0
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But ceasing HS2, will save the envrionment. AND save any future "oh it'll now cost this much because we didn't forsee needing a new ferrari each"
26/11/2020 14:35:19 1 0
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As an alternative plan the Government could simply suspend all work for at least 5 years and freeze those contracts. The money that would have gone to the contractors goes towards paying off the Covid debt more quickly.
After the delay the project is reviewed to see whether HS2 is still required.
26/11/2020 14:40:44 1 0
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3 farms have appropriated by HS2 near Great Missenden. Their land their lives their livelihoods. There's an example of costs, contracts can be changed just like the whole of this country loosing jobs etc. Phase 2 has not been contracted out from what I hear.
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26/11/2020 10:40:45 15 3
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Graham Brady (I refuse to call him Sir ) suggesting that 100 Tory MPs (we are more interested in our own personal finances than the health of our citizens) will rebel against the Tier system.

Proving how inept and incompetent, the right wing of the Tory Party are.

One nation party ? Ugh
27/11/2020 12:49:02 0 0
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Or else they've looked at the data regarding covid, and the ludicrous claims it is the 'new black-death'
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26/11/2020 10:37:02 10 3
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Surely pensioners have already been bearing the brunt of COVID - after all, they are the ones that are dying.
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26/11/2020 10:40:51 1 2
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So by extension of your argument, if Covid primarily kills pensioners then anti-Covid measures must therefore primarily be put in place to protect those pensioners.
So wouldn't that mean that they should bare more of the cost?
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26/11/2020 10:34:18 5 7
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The lad has done well with cutting Foreign Aid. Now we need tax cuts for workers, benefit cuts for the feckless, and the abolition of the Barnett formula.

English taxes spent in England. Should be his ongoing slogan.
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26/11/2020 10:40:51 3 0
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Are you really the voice of little England?
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26/11/2020 10:40:53 21 2
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Any Tory MP who takes their “public sector” rise should walk about with the sign HYPOCRITE around their neck.
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26/11/2020 10:36:38 39 21
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I worked in the public sector for 31 years (fire service) and the pay is far from high, a fully qualified firefighter earns £30k a year. I now work in the public sector and earn that in a job that is 5 hours a week shorter and is a snip at the side of my last job. Public sector workers did not benefit from furlough as they worked through it all. The rich can afford it, most of them cannot.
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26/11/2020 10:40:57 10 11
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Retire when you're 55 and have another job on the side.

Yeah, being a firefighter must be a nightmare.
26/11/2020 13:22:32 4 1
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Plus they get to perfect their snooker & cooking skills during work hours!
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26/11/2020 10:36:12 9 7
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Clearly unlimited money to pay Ill thoughtout furlough for some. But these workers had to work all the lockdown
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26/11/2020 10:41:08 7 3
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I work in the private sector and have worked more hours since the lockdowns and furlough. There is no way I will be getting a pay increase, we are just about surviving as a company. To even contemplate a pay increase after this year is ludicrous.
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26/11/2020 10:41:14 9 3
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Problem with taxing the rich is 75% of people think it would affect them. Unless you earn millions it won’t affect you and if those millionaires are j willing to pay a little more (and still have millions) let them leave. Someone else can do their job.
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26/11/2020 10:47:36 6 1
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Exactly - most people aren't able to grasp the scale of the inequality and the sheer magnitude of wealth for the tiny handful at the top of the pyramid
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26/11/2020 10:33:44 37 28
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Most people I know who worked in the Public Sector, specifically in the administrative side of things, were very very pro-lockdown.
Those same people are now moaning because they are having to pay the price of gf=etting what they wanted.
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26/11/2020 10:41:15 35 9
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Maybe they just didn't want even more avoidable deaths?
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26/11/2020 10:43:30 5 1
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If that's what they believe, then I don't have a problem with that - regardless of evidence etc.
It doesn't mean that they should be excused from paying for it, though.