Covid crisis could 'cut pay by £1,200 a year by 2025'
26/11/2020 | news | business | 425
The virus is one of three "once in a lifetime" recent economic shocks says the Resolution Foundation.
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26/11/2020 10:31:15 9 7
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Once again hindering the young, just like the credit crunch.
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26/11/2020 10:33:50 9 1
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I think we are all being hindered to be fair.
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26/11/2020 10:31:18 4 12
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Project fear.
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26/11/2020 10:33:26 7 5
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Really....? Is that all you have to say. What an eloquent and nuanced point you've made.
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26/11/2020 10:33:28 4 0
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What's the plan to lead us to the sunlit uplands then? Just ask Jeeves.
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26/11/2020 10:32:24 45 13
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No pay cuts though for Jeff Bezos or one of the other billionaires whose obscene fortune keeps going up off the back of this crisis.
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26/11/2020 10:37:22 47 5
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more to the point, their fortunes grow on the back of not paying tax.
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26/11/2020 10:59:00 7 1
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Presusmably you refuse to use Amazon??
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26/11/2020 11:14:08 1 2
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Yes, I reckon a windfall tax that could be used to help offset the cost of Covid in the NHS is definitely called for.
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26/11/2020 11:29:14 2 1
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"Obscene fortune".

Envy's not a good look.
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26/11/2020 11:43:09 3 2
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Or China; never forget who started this crisis
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26/11/2020 10:32:38 3 11
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Add Brexit loss of GDP to the Covid loss and we are in a weak position. It is essential we do not agree level playing field provisions in the EU deal if we are to make us this lost ground.
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26/11/2020 16:22:43 0 0
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Take away that we wont pay for the eu covid recovery fund which we'd have got next to nothing back ... fyew ... that was close eh
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26/11/2020 10:33:17 101 12
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Under the current circumstances, be glad you still have a job because there are lots of people who don't now.
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26/11/2020 10:47:44 35 10
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Or enjoy a year of furlough money instead of universal credit
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26/11/2020 10:51:29 22 5
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No. Simply being "glad" for having scraps is part of the problem in this country. A job should be the means to having a decent life, not merely to just survive or pay bills.

The wider public have "sacrificed" far too much already since the 2008 crash, for which none of those that helped cause it were punished. (Well, one lost their Knighthood, that'll learn'em!)

Time those at the top, step up!
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26/11/2020 10:46:00 7 12
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Patronising
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26/11/2020 17:27:18 2 0
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so the billionaire class gets wealthier during the pandemic (from others people's work) and you're telling people they're lucky to have a job?
well and truly conned aren't you
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Cam
26/11/2020 10:33:20 8 11
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In the long term brexit will do far more damage to the UK economy than Covid. Try looking beyond the current hyperbole to the real problem facing us.
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26/11/2020 10:31:18 4 12
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Project fear.
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26/11/2020 10:33:26 7 5
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Really....? Is that all you have to say. What an eloquent and nuanced point you've made.
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26/11/2020 10:31:18 4 12
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Project fear.
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26/11/2020 10:33:28 4 0
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What's the plan to lead us to the sunlit uplands then? Just ask Jeeves.
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26/11/2020 10:31:15 9 7
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Once again hindering the young, just like the credit crunch.
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26/11/2020 10:33:50 9 1
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I think we are all being hindered to be fair.
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26/11/2020 10:34:41 125 25
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Badly worded and poorly written article.

There will not be a £1,200 cut to pay packets. The Resolution Foundation report states that wage growth could be 10% lower between 2008 and 2023 than it was for the previous 15 years. That's GROWTH and COULD.

They have deliberately chosen a period that includes the 2008 crash & the pandemic, and have not factored in personal tax allowance and NI changes.
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26/11/2020 10:44:21 66 5
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Sensible comment. Thank you.
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26/11/2020 10:58:20 20 6
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Likely the vast majority of articles in the main stream media...using 'research' or quotes from groups with a vested interest , often speculative and or inaccurate in nature, and then presented in the most negative way possible.
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26/11/2020 11:07:15 8 3
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You know there is a reason that they used 2008 as an example, and the problem with this is that the recession this time around is much much worse
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26/11/2020 11:18:52 20 0
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The Resolution Foundation is very much a political lobby group. Nothing wrong with that, but the reason that Economics doesn't count as a science is because the conclusions you draw depend entirely on the assumptions/prejudices you started out with.
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26/11/2020 11:40:14 13 1
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Good points indeed. Similarly it is worth looking into the 'independence' of the Resolution Foundation and why BBC chooses to push the foundations agenda on their behalf with a negative government message.
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26/11/2020 11:50:48 12 5
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It is a left-wing think tank so it doesn't understand that money doesn't grow on trees. It doesn't know what "austerity" reallt means either.

Another lefty load of it from the Beeb - our "gold standard" in journalism.
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26/11/2020 12:52:35 5 0
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Joy to be able to print and respond to articles like this. Penalties elsewhere:- Russia - a good hiding and three months inside;
China - life imprisonment;
Iran - death sentence.
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26/11/2020 12:55:30 7 1
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Why do the BBC fail to tell us it left wing "Think Tank"?
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Bob
26/11/2020 12:56:08 0 1
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It is all a bit smoke and mirrors. COVID can still result in a decline to wages from 2020 through to 2023.

To look at it from 2008 to 2023 may well yield growth, but would be an odd way to look at the context of the effects of COVID.
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26/11/2020 13:41:07 3 2
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Bottom line, we, and perhaps you, are going to be poorer than we would have been.

If your comment makes you happier about that carry on making excuses.
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27/11/2020 12:04:36 0 0
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Yes

With the recent devolved tax changes here, it'll be a lot more.
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27/11/2020 14:23:34 0 0
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Yep, a non-story again.
"pay packets on track to be £1,200 a year lower than pre-pandemic expectations".
In other words, they may not increase by as much as previously estimated.
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26/11/2020 10:34:53 23 11
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Perhaps we should China to cancel the significant chunk of the National Debt that's owed to them under the circumstances. I can't believe that there hasn't been significant international repercussions for the damage that Chinese carelessness has caused.
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26/11/2020 10:37:14 7 11
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What international repercussions would you like? Before you answer go and research how the world has changed since the fall of our Empire and anyway leave the big thinking to Biden as he's the only person they will take notice of at all
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26/11/2020 11:08:04 0 0
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what carelessness by China? One item of UK aid has been supporting investigations into diseases carried by bats and other wildlife (BEFORE Corona) as the expansion of man into wild life habitats exposes man to animal diseases - as it has over millenia.
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26/11/2020 11:08:39 0 0
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Could you detail the carelessness perhaps?
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26/11/2020 11:15:04 3 0
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Or we could invite them over to build an unwanted, untested, probably unsafe nuclear reactor at Bradwell. They must look at us and laugh their socks off.
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26/11/2020 11:46:56 1 0
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"carelessness" ? No - it wasn't careless; it was very well designed.
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26/11/2020 10:35:08 18 9
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Covid will be the convenient excuse to cut pay, remember public sector workers have had 10 years of austerity and no or below inflation pay rises so we are already thousands of pound poorer, covid will be used as excuse to continue that for the next decade, its happening in the private sector as well with workers being downgraded while the rich take a larger and larger slice of the pie.
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26/11/2020 10:42:34 15 11
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Absolute rot. You are not poorer because you have had fewer pay rises, nobody has taken anything off you.

Public sector pay has increased every year since 2010, average pay rose 4.1% last year compared to 1% in the private sector.

Pay rises for the last 2 years at least have been way above inflation. I don't know what part of public sector you work in, but I can guarantee your wage has risen.
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26/11/2020 10:52:23 1 2
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The burden of private sector job security and other benefits must weigh heavily.

There are some public sector roles where hourly pay is very low (Nursing for e.g.), but plenty where hourly pay and pension benefits already far outweigh the private sector (primary school teachers etc.).

My sympatheies lie with those who lose/have lost their jobs and the young who will struggle to get a decent job.
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26/11/2020 10:35:31 15 8
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with pay packets on track to be £1,200 a year lower than pre-pandemic expectations,"

"EXPECTATIONS"

I expect they would have been wrong.
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26/11/2020 10:36:00 20 12
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The headline reads "Covid crisis could 'cut pay by £1,200 a year by 2025'" with the 'quote marks' coming after the word 'could' instead of before.

More doom n gloom from the BBC, championing another obscure organisation's views (the Resolution Foundation) whose opinions and calculations are utterly hypothetical and appear to be based on putting a wet finger into the wind.
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26/11/2020 10:36:00 34 14
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Ah, the BBCs favourite article, something with Could in it from info by a think tank that's not a household name.
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26/11/2020 11:36:02 20 10
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The Resolution Foundation is a household name within the BBC - their Chief Exec is a former Labour Party adviser and half their economists are regulars at the Guardian. Where else would the BBC go for their material?
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26/11/2020 10:36:57 26 6
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More could and might, when looking at video calls I look at items etc in background, surprising what nice places most of these think tank people live in considering it is 'charities' they are working for.
Charity starts at home it seems.
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26/11/2020 10:37:01 67 10
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Let's be honest about it....the gap between rich and poor has been increasing for a long, long time. We have become slaves to the machine living paycheck to paycheck.

If anything the pandemic has helped expose that the current model of constant growth to survive as unsustainable
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26/11/2020 10:43:45 46 54
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"the gap between rich and poor has been increasing for a long, long time"
......That would be the10 years of tory rule. The "Eton boys get rich quick at the expense of everyone else club".
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26/11/2020 11:13:27 3 1
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Well said Captain!
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26/11/2020 11:16:02 3 0
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Amen
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26/11/2020 11:24:49 10 4
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That's actually wrong. Inequality (whilst high) has been declining since 2010 but don't let the facts spoil the story!
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26/11/2020 15:53:50 1 0
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People only live paycheck to paycheck if they fall for the 'keep up with the Jones's' advertising and keep spending on clothes, latest tech, lots of holidays plus coffee, spiralised courgettes and sandwiches that you can make yourself. If you buy what you NEED, then save 10% then anything left is spent on non-essentials you will find life is much less stressful and far more fulfilling.
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26/11/2020 10:37:17 7 4
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The impending disaster that is brexit will further add injury to injury.
The initial evidence is in the long queues at Folkestone (Where Chris Grayling is advising) and we haven't even started yet.
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26/11/2020 10:46:10 1 3
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Queues caused by the French authorities doing their usual thing.
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26/11/2020 11:13:25 1 0
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So French industrial action is now Brexits fault as well... Who'da thought it?
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26/11/2020 21:37:43 0 0
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Still got my black passport today, hope it feeds and clothes my kids
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26/11/2020 10:32:24 45 13
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No pay cuts though for Jeff Bezos or one of the other billionaires whose obscene fortune keeps going up off the back of this crisis.
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26/11/2020 10:37:22 47 5
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more to the point, their fortunes grow on the back of not paying tax.
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26/11/2020 11:29:59 0 2
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Smart move on their part. Everyone else should do the same.
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AJL
26/11/2020 10:37:24 5 13
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Yet ANOTHER example of Conservative financial incompetence. Get these clowns out NOW! Why must we suffer this Conservative coronavirus?
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26/11/2020 10:43:37 3 2
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Delusion rules in your mind AJL
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26/11/2020 10:45:39 1 1
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Yep just pop along at the next GE and cast your vote. Pipe down until then.
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26/11/2020 10:47:46 1 3
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It's just Coronavirus with no political allegiance. If only the election had gone the other way. Wonder how financially competent Chancellor Abbott would have been......
Thankfully we will never know.
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26/11/2020 10:37:28 29 10
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Could, maybe, perhaps, possibly...

Yawn.
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26/11/2020 13:59:25 1 4
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Yes. it's the future.

But perhaps you have seen the future.
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26/11/2020 10:38:29 10 8
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The economy will quickly rebound. While Covid has been a disaster to many others are actually better off. No bus/train fares to work, no eating/drinking out and no foreign holidays. When the vaccine has been proven to work this pent up demand will soon make up for a lot of the that has not taken place this year.
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26/11/2020 10:49:09 5 5
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No it will not, Brexit chaos is coming
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26/11/2020 10:53:17 0 0
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Payin off the mountains of debt that a lot of people live on not to mention the cars on tick.
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26/11/2020 10:57:21 0 0
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There will be a significant rebound, though it won't come close to eliminating the GDP drop through the pandemic, then we also have the debt to pay which will undoubtedly lower living standards for generations. Predictions seem to be that this will ony be exacerbated by Brexit.
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26/11/2020 10:38:36 72 20
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Strap yourselves in folks... this isn't going to be an easy or a pretty ride !!

- Brexit
- Private Sector decimated by Covid
- Public Sector protected but without a bouyant Private Sector to support it, is completely unsustainable

Our children's, children, children will be paying for this
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26/11/2020 11:05:57 16 22
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if all the jobs in the UK were public sector except one - would the public sector collapse because the one private worker couldn't pay for them all?

Of course not

It's only "unsustainable" if the public sector job isn't doing anything.

Dido for example
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26/11/2020 11:12:47 1 2
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Well said. Just like those post WW1 paid for that, post WW2 paid for that etc etc. Each generation has its cross to bear. There's always money for more weapons though.
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26/11/2020 12:49:43 1 4
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The public sector has not been protected. They cannot use furlough, which is in fact protecting much of the private sector. Public sector workers also pay tax (the full amount thanks to PAYE) and we will need plenty of that to get out of this mess.
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26/11/2020 10:39:06 46 18
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I predict that by 2025 the country would be a considerably better place, if gratuitous predictions and advice from self-inflated, self-important, so-called "Think Tanks" were made illegal, and all the stuffed suits and old boys' network chinless idiots in them were given proper jobs to do instead.
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26/11/2020 10:52:34 25 16
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The tories will never put their own jobs at risk
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26/11/2020 11:33:36 1 2
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Doesn't your post count as "gratuitous predictions and advice"?
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26/11/2020 10:39:20 2 3
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The tier system is based on a single study that is not peir reviewed and states should not be used to guide practice.
Here's the link in case it's not found here
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.22.20236422v1

And with no jargon https://www.uea.ac.uk/news/-/article/tier-1-didn-t-work-and-tier-reallocation-too-slow-research-shows

Statement is relevant through causation
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26/11/2020 10:39:20 10 4
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Not really a free market economy then is it...unless those at the top are in trouble.
Harsh though it is we'll get over this but the rich are intent in protecting themselves and throwing everbody else to the lions.
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26/11/2020 10:40:34 13 11
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Don't you dare. Covid is a bump in the road compared to the damage Brexit will do. Don't you dare deflect you slippery fish.
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26/11/2020 10:40:34 8 9
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Expect Brexit to lower it a bit more

And people still expect houses prices not to drop

House price crash is coming
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26/11/2020 10:50:59 1 0
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How many times have we been told that?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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26/11/2020 10:54:48 0 0
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To everyone's horror, they will soar even more !
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26/11/2020 12:13:02 0 0
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The powers that be will do anything to protect house prices.
They're more than willing to do grievous harm to other areas of the economy in order to keep prices propped up.
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26/11/2020 10:41:02 14 12
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You can double that figure thanks to Brexit
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26/11/2020 10:50:13 5 4
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The reports figures cover the period up to 2025, so include Brexit.

Do keep up....
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26/11/2020 10:41:24 8 10
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I'm always cautious when I see figures from a source that has a clear agenda.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:41:27 10 6
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Resolution Foundation needs a dose of reality in a global pandemic. Many of us are existing on 80%. We all need to make cutbacks.
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26/11/2020 10:56:47 2 1
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And some have lost more than 20% - my savings had been depleted by voluntarily looking after aged parents and now my pension is being hammered as I am also out of work following their deaths
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26/11/2020 10:42:04 15 9
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The bill for covid will be paid for by the people who are least able to do so, while the rich will get richer and richer. Just the same as with the banking crisis 10 years ago, nothing ever changes...
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26/11/2020 10:42:33 3 8
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Could, might,maybe, perhaps. Meh!
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26/11/2020 11:00:10 1 0
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unless it's the wonders of leave when it's gospel
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26/11/2020 10:35:08 18 9
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Covid will be the convenient excuse to cut pay, remember public sector workers have had 10 years of austerity and no or below inflation pay rises so we are already thousands of pound poorer, covid will be used as excuse to continue that for the next decade, its happening in the private sector as well with workers being downgraded while the rich take a larger and larger slice of the pie.
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26/11/2020 10:42:34 15 11
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Absolute rot. You are not poorer because you have had fewer pay rises, nobody has taken anything off you.

Public sector pay has increased every year since 2010, average pay rose 4.1% last year compared to 1% in the private sector.

Pay rises for the last 2 years at least have been way above inflation. I don't know what part of public sector you work in, but I can guarantee your wage has risen.
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26/11/2020 11:23:52 3 1
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And don’t forget the job security and pensions unavailable in the private sector
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26/11/2020 20:07:58 2 1
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Rubbish. The police have had an 18% real terms pay cut since 2010. Pay was frozen from 2010 and then capped at 1% up to 2018. This whilst the private sector pay was consistently higher than the public. Now due to covid the public sector has for once outperformed the private sector you are moaning!
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26/11/2020 20:09:59 1 1
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Overall private sector jobs are much better paid,the public sector don't have the champagne parties and bonus's every year and many put their lives on the line. This disparity was always redressed by having a decent pension to look forward to having the government have now put pay to that. I don't know were the 4.1%has come from either, the pay award this year was 2.5%
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26/11/2020 10:42:55 63 19
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Seen several posts about 'The young' being saddled with Covid debt

Personally I don't go for this divisive 'Old versus young' thing the BBC like to whip up

However, this next generation can thank themselves lucky they aren't paying off World War 2 debt. We only finished forking out for that bad boy in 2006!

Every generation has it's cross to bare so bottom lips in and be happy to be alive
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26/11/2020 10:47:08 35 4
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Agreed, two generations if not three paid for world war two.
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26/11/2020 10:49:06 1 3
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we haven't finished paying world war 2 debt
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26/11/2020 10:49:42 1 2
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I agree the WW2 debt as 3 x GDP paid off in 2008 and in surplus whereas this one is 1 x GDP. People shouldn't get hysterical about the debt as no one will be taxed in to poverty to pay it back as the example shows.

The biggest focus should be those who are on furlough with potentially no job to go to and those in rent arrears. These are young people possibly on the brink.
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26/11/2020 10:49:55 3 0
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The 40% of GDP spent in 1833 on abolishing slavery was only paid off in 2014!
Every tax payer for 187 years helped to pay that debt off.
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26/11/2020 10:51:38 4 0
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Yeah the GFC of 2008 and covid plus whatever happens with Brexit. Younger generations have had more disasters to deal with
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26/11/2020 10:58:32 3 0
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the BBc like to whip up? Nope not noticed that. Some tory MP's? Yes
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26/11/2020 22:59:19 0 0
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Very well said. I back your comment totally. When I was a kid we never had money and neither did my parents like many others in the 1970s. I get sick of hearing this ‘our children’s children will suffer’. As if we didn’t suffer also. We had to work hard so I’m sure the youth of today and the future can also, that’s one ethos that will never change, hard work.
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26/11/2020 10:43:15 7 6
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As it is many sitting at home with n furlough are still getting more in take home earnings than NHS staff(doctors and surgeons being much better oaid)along with the supermarket workers who have helped feed them and who are still treated as
scum
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26/11/2020 11:03:18 4 1
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I don't know where you live . If the Nhs and shop workers are treated like scum you should move.
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AJL
26/11/2020 10:37:24 5 13
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Yet ANOTHER example of Conservative financial incompetence. Get these clowns out NOW! Why must we suffer this Conservative coronavirus?
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26/11/2020 10:43:37 3 2
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Delusion rules in your mind AJL
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26/11/2020 10:37:01 67 10
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Let's be honest about it....the gap between rich and poor has been increasing for a long, long time. We have become slaves to the machine living paycheck to paycheck.

If anything the pandemic has helped expose that the current model of constant growth to survive as unsustainable
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26/11/2020 10:43:45 46 54
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"the gap between rich and poor has been increasing for a long, long time"
......That would be the10 years of tory rule. The "Eton boys get rich quick at the expense of everyone else club".
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26/11/2020 10:58:30 17 11
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I take it you belong to the Politics of Envy Party.
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26/11/2020 11:10:14 4 5
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don't forget the raising of the figure at which incomae tax isn't paid was a LibDem policy derided as "stupid" by the conservatives before 2010 - even if many now claim it as a tory gift to the less well off
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26/11/2020 11:40:38 3 1
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No different under Phony Tony Tory Blair or Brown.
Phillip Green & Bankers etc.
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26/11/2020 11:42:28 10 2
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I think you will find the former labour Governments in the last 50 years have been as equally hardworking at feathering their nests - indeed doing it on the back of pretending to support the working class!!! Thankfully of late, they have been rumbled and get no where near government
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26/11/2020 13:36:58 0 2
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People conveniently forget this.. and vote for more of the same. The gap will never reduce as long as the electorate continue to turn a blind eye to this yet accuse us hard working folk of being "envious" or just not working hard enough..
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26/11/2020 15:48:19 1 0
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Is there a group of you who use the same wording? This message is very similar to others on the BBC website. Can't you think of something new?
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26/11/2020 15:53:20 1 0
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But, lets not forget the Union bosses and Leaders of Metro Councils ................. hardly Eton boys.
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26/11/2020 23:02:14 0 0
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Simple way to address that one, Align CGT to income tax bandings to prevent income leakage to lower taxed options.
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26/11/2020 10:44:19 21 0
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"on course to grow just 10% during the 15 years from the start of the 2008 global financial crisis until 2023.
But household incomes grew by a much higher 40% in the 15 years leading up to the financial crisis"

Which tells us we never really recovered from the financial crisis as further evidenced by 'emergency low' interest rates for the last 12 years
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26/11/2020 11:15:11 12 11
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It also proves that Austerity (a 2nd round of which has just begun) doesn't work for the "average household". The Tories are repeating a policy proven to be 4 times less effective than doing nothing (luckily the very rich get proportionally richer in Austerity which increases the gap between the rich and poor more quickly). Since the very rich fund the Tory Party we shouldn't be surprised.
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26/11/2020 13:49:44 0 0
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Everyone forgets that the financial crisis was a bubble that burst spectacularly. "the 15 years leading up to the financial crisis" wont be matched until we have another bubble that is about to burst. Silly comparison.
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26/11/2020 10:34:41 125 25
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Badly worded and poorly written article.

There will not be a £1,200 cut to pay packets. The Resolution Foundation report states that wage growth could be 10% lower between 2008 and 2023 than it was for the previous 15 years. That's GROWTH and COULD.

They have deliberately chosen a period that includes the 2008 crash & the pandemic, and have not factored in personal tax allowance and NI changes.
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26/11/2020 10:44:21 66 5
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Sensible comment. Thank you.
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26/11/2020 10:44:57 38 10
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Once again the Resolution Foundation focus on wages not take home pay... It's all well and good being paid more pre-credit crunch but as you were taxed a lot more you ended up taking home less than you take home today... Your personal tax allowance is £12k nowadays, i.e. you don't pay tax on first £12k (it was only £6k in 2008), which removes the £1,200 shortfall they highlight in their report.
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26/11/2020 10:50:44 7 8
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It would be better to greatly increase the wages of low-paid workers, so that more people pay taxes to help pay off the deficit.
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26/11/2020 10:52:00 2 0
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Excellent point.
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AJL
26/11/2020 10:37:24 5 13
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Yet ANOTHER example of Conservative financial incompetence. Get these clowns out NOW! Why must we suffer this Conservative coronavirus?
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26/11/2020 10:45:39 1 1
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Yep just pop along at the next GE and cast your vote. Pipe down until then.
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26/11/2020 10:45:40 3 6
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Could. Speculation. Only nearly news, not actual news.

Could also bounce back so hard it hits you in the %$£@.
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26/11/2020 10:50:29 3 2
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That’s also speculation. So by your calculation also not allowed
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26/11/2020 11:10:56 0 0
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Nearly news - yes. The BBC constantly bills crystal-ball gazing as news nowadays. We all know taxes will have to rise. Nearly news and their other specialism - "it's not fair". Their actual news is usually buried somewhere.
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26/11/2020 10:37:17 7 4
bbc
The impending disaster that is brexit will further add injury to injury.
The initial evidence is in the long queues at Folkestone (Where Chris Grayling is advising) and we haven't even started yet.
44
26/11/2020 10:46:10 1 3
bbc
Queues caused by the French authorities doing their usual thing.
45
26/11/2020 10:46:44 8 15
bbc
Watching the EU flounder and break up will ease the pain somewhat.
55
26/11/2020 10:50:05 3 3
bbc
Really? Your suffering isn’t as bad because someone else is to? That’s like saying my mind died but it’s ok because someone I don’t like mums died also.
93
26/11/2020 10:49:11 1 1
bbc
Such a mature statement. Not.

You don't really understand how globalisation works, do you ?

If EU countries fail, that means fewer exports for British manufacturers.
46
26/11/2020 10:47:06 8 5
bbc
Total speculation, what a load Bo**ocks and a sensationalist headline
79
26/11/2020 10:56:36 2 3
bbc
yep, no one can make a forecast - unless they are brexiteers with the wonders of leave mate
35
26/11/2020 10:42:55 63 19
bbc
Seen several posts about 'The young' being saddled with Covid debt

Personally I don't go for this divisive 'Old versus young' thing the BBC like to whip up

However, this next generation can thank themselves lucky they aren't paying off World War 2 debt. We only finished forking out for that bad boy in 2006!

Every generation has it's cross to bare so bottom lips in and be happy to be alive
47
26/11/2020 10:47:08 35 4
bbc
Agreed, two generations if not three paid for world war two.
275
26/11/2020 12:34:00 1 0
bbc
True - except for Germany. Where reparation costs were wiped out in the 1950's by US Government fiat, whilst allies debts to US were kept in place. Result - Germany able to grow whilst allies continued with saddled debts.

So how do we achieve similar with Covid debt? Or should we? Inflate the debt to nothing a la 1950-1970's? Endlessly payment duration and hope no other debt need comes up?
5
26/11/2020 10:33:17 101 12
bbc
Under the current circumstances, be glad you still have a job because there are lots of people who don't now.
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26/11/2020 10:47:44 35 10
bbc
Or enjoy a year of furlough money instead of universal credit
Or enjoy a few months furlough find yourself redundant, find a new job paying shedloads less and on balance find yourself short by £8000 on the whole year.

Idiot.
Removed
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AJL
26/11/2020 10:37:24 5 13
bbc
Yet ANOTHER example of Conservative financial incompetence. Get these clowns out NOW! Why must we suffer this Conservative coronavirus?
49
26/11/2020 10:47:46 1 3
bbc
It's just Coronavirus with no political allegiance. If only the election had gone the other way. Wonder how financially competent Chancellor Abbott would have been......
Thankfully we will never know.
50
26/11/2020 10:48:55 13 9
bbc
Shouldn't any cuts in pay be proportional to salary? I bet that the lowest-paid workers get the £1,200 pay cut, while the highly paid continue to receive big bonuses and massive pay rises.
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26/11/2020 12:53:20 0 0
bbc
Unfortunately there wil be some truth in this due to a high proportion of the lower paid being less skilled and the roles therefore being subject to greater competition. At the bottom end the only protection is the minimum wage and competition, let's hope the Gov't don;t sell out on the minimum wage.
376
26/11/2020 15:59:28 0 0
bbc
NOBODY is getting a pay CUT. All the article is saying (from a Labour leaning think tank by the way) is that pay may not go up by as much as it would have done if Covid had not happened based on projections and the word used is COULD, not WILL.
35
26/11/2020 10:42:55 63 19
bbc
Seen several posts about 'The young' being saddled with Covid debt

Personally I don't go for this divisive 'Old versus young' thing the BBC like to whip up

However, this next generation can thank themselves lucky they aren't paying off World War 2 debt. We only finished forking out for that bad boy in 2006!

Every generation has it's cross to bare so bottom lips in and be happy to be alive
51
26/11/2020 10:49:06 1 3
bbc
we haven't finished paying world war 2 debt
205
26/11/2020 11:39:32 1 0
bbc
We haven't finished paying for the Napoleonic Wars - income tax (at 6d in the £ on very rich people) was introduced to pay to keep Boney off British soil & has generally icreased its scope ever since.

We as a nation already owe £2 trillion, before any account whatsoever is taken of personal debt - adding loans & mortgages in makes the sum approx. £7 trillion. Debt is unsustainable at this level!
22
26/11/2020 10:38:29 10 8
bbc
The economy will quickly rebound. While Covid has been a disaster to many others are actually better off. No bus/train fares to work, no eating/drinking out and no foreign holidays. When the vaccine has been proven to work this pent up demand will soon make up for a lot of the that has not taken place this year.
52
26/11/2020 10:49:09 5 5
bbc
No it will not, Brexit chaos is coming
83
26/11/2020 10:57:46 0 0
bbc
Sounds like you'll be disappointed if it doesn't.
35
26/11/2020 10:42:55 63 19
bbc
Seen several posts about 'The young' being saddled with Covid debt

Personally I don't go for this divisive 'Old versus young' thing the BBC like to whip up

However, this next generation can thank themselves lucky they aren't paying off World War 2 debt. We only finished forking out for that bad boy in 2006!

Every generation has it's cross to bare so bottom lips in and be happy to be alive
53
26/11/2020 10:49:42 1 2
bbc
I agree the WW2 debt as 3 x GDP paid off in 2008 and in surplus whereas this one is 1 x GDP. People shouldn't get hysterical about the debt as no one will be taxed in to poverty to pay it back as the example shows.

The biggest focus should be those who are on furlough with potentially no job to go to and those in rent arrears. These are young people possibly on the brink.
35
26/11/2020 10:42:55 63 19
bbc
Seen several posts about 'The young' being saddled with Covid debt

Personally I don't go for this divisive 'Old versus young' thing the BBC like to whip up

However, this next generation can thank themselves lucky they aren't paying off World War 2 debt. We only finished forking out for that bad boy in 2006!

Every generation has it's cross to bare so bottom lips in and be happy to be alive
54
26/11/2020 10:49:55 3 0
bbc
The 40% of GDP spent in 1833 on abolishing slavery was only paid off in 2014!
Every tax payer for 187 years helped to pay that debt off.
236
26/11/2020 11:55:32 1 0
bbc
Except for the slavers and the inheritors of their money. One of them owns quite a bit of land where I live.
45
26/11/2020 10:46:44 8 15
bbc
Watching the EU flounder and break up will ease the pain somewhat.
55
26/11/2020 10:50:05 3 3
bbc
Really? Your suffering isn’t as bad because someone else is to? That’s like saying my mind died but it’s ok because someone I don’t like mums died also.
29
26/11/2020 10:41:02 14 12
bbc
You can double that figure thanks to Brexit
56
26/11/2020 10:50:13 5 4
bbc
The reports figures cover the period up to 2025, so include Brexit.

Do keep up....
91
26/11/2020 10:59:13 1 1
bbc
No they are quite explicit - corona mate
173
26/11/2020 11:25:48 0 1
bbc
It’s not a report it’s a left wing propaganda piece
43
26/11/2020 10:45:40 3 6
bbc
Could. Speculation. Only nearly news, not actual news.

Could also bounce back so hard it hits you in the %$£@.
57
26/11/2020 10:50:29 3 2
bbc
That’s also speculation. So by your calculation also not allowed
58
26/11/2020 10:50:32 5 4
bbc
I could be Prime Minister next month (or next year).

I might be telling lies.

I could win the lottery.

Anyone can say anything using these words - could anyone deny it?
106
26/11/2020 11:04:57 0 2
bbc
"Anyone can say anything using these words"

I can't.
41
26/11/2020 10:44:57 38 10
bbc
Once again the Resolution Foundation focus on wages not take home pay... It's all well and good being paid more pre-credit crunch but as you were taxed a lot more you ended up taking home less than you take home today... Your personal tax allowance is £12k nowadays, i.e. you don't pay tax on first £12k (it was only £6k in 2008), which removes the £1,200 shortfall they highlight in their report.
59
26/11/2020 10:50:44 7 8
bbc
It would be better to greatly increase the wages of low-paid workers, so that more people pay taxes to help pay off the deficit.
81
26/11/2020 10:57:01 3 4
bbc
It would be better to lower the tax allowances so more people pay tax and thus stop thinking government services are free. Balance this out by lowering the actual rate of tax for low-paid workers.
115
26/11/2020 11:07:37 1 1
bbc
They would need it to cover the hyper inflation your suggestion would generate.
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GK
26/11/2020 10:50:46 17 4
bbc
Are the ministers, bureaucrats , CEOs going to get a proportionate pay cut ?
262
26/11/2020 12:19:13 3 3
bbc
Many business owners and CEO's have not only taken a pay cut, some including a few I know very well have taken no money at all.
They are trying to keep their businesses from collapse
28
26/11/2020 10:40:34 8 9
bbc
Expect Brexit to lower it a bit more

And people still expect houses prices not to drop

House price crash is coming
61
26/11/2020 10:50:59 1 0
bbc
How many times have we been told that?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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26/11/2020 10:51:15 2 7
bbc
And worse

This was always going to be lose lose but we've sacrificed all the under 50's futures for the a few months extra poor quality life for some over 80's

Even the health dept's view of first lockdown was that it has already caused reduced QALYS (quality adjusted life years - used for clinical decisions) without extrapolating into the future for the health consequences of the poverty caused
5
26/11/2020 10:33:17 101 12
bbc
Under the current circumstances, be glad you still have a job because there are lots of people who don't now.
63
26/11/2020 10:51:29 22 5
bbc
No. Simply being "glad" for having scraps is part of the problem in this country. A job should be the means to having a decent life, not merely to just survive or pay bills.

The wider public have "sacrificed" far too much already since the 2008 crash, for which none of those that helped cause it were punished. (Well, one lost their Knighthood, that'll learn'em!)

Time those at the top, step up!
64
26/11/2020 10:51:32 3 4
bbc
At least we won't have to bail anyone out !
95
26/11/2020 10:54:03 2 1
bbc
Banks ? We're still bailing them out.
35
26/11/2020 10:42:55 63 19
bbc
Seen several posts about 'The young' being saddled with Covid debt

Personally I don't go for this divisive 'Old versus young' thing the BBC like to whip up

However, this next generation can thank themselves lucky they aren't paying off World War 2 debt. We only finished forking out for that bad boy in 2006!

Every generation has it's cross to bare so bottom lips in and be happy to be alive
65
26/11/2020 10:51:38 4 0
bbc
Yeah the GFC of 2008 and covid plus whatever happens with Brexit. Younger generations have had more disasters to deal with
41
26/11/2020 10:44:57 38 10
bbc
Once again the Resolution Foundation focus on wages not take home pay... It's all well and good being paid more pre-credit crunch but as you were taxed a lot more you ended up taking home less than you take home today... Your personal tax allowance is £12k nowadays, i.e. you don't pay tax on first £12k (it was only £6k in 2008), which removes the £1,200 shortfall they highlight in their report.
66
26/11/2020 10:52:00 2 0
bbc
Excellent point.
12
26/11/2020 10:35:08 18 9
bbc
Covid will be the convenient excuse to cut pay, remember public sector workers have had 10 years of austerity and no or below inflation pay rises so we are already thousands of pound poorer, covid will be used as excuse to continue that for the next decade, its happening in the private sector as well with workers being downgraded while the rich take a larger and larger slice of the pie.
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26/11/2020 10:52:23 1 2
bbc
The burden of private sector job security and other benefits must weigh heavily.

There are some public sector roles where hourly pay is very low (Nursing for e.g.), but plenty where hourly pay and pension benefits already far outweigh the private sector (primary school teachers etc.).

My sympatheies lie with those who lose/have lost their jobs and the young who will struggle to get a decent job.
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26/11/2020 10:39:06 46 18
bbc
I predict that by 2025 the country would be a considerably better place, if gratuitous predictions and advice from self-inflated, self-important, so-called "Think Tanks" were made illegal, and all the stuffed suits and old boys' network chinless idiots in them were given proper jobs to do instead.
68
26/11/2020 10:52:34 25 16
bbc
The tories will never put their own jobs at risk
296
26/11/2020 13:02:01 2 0
bbc
like plenty of labour luvvies too, so don't kid yourself
364
26/11/2020 15:49:39 1 0
bbc
Yawn. Identikit post.
370
26/11/2020 15:54:01 1 1
bbc
The Resolution Foundation is left-leaning and staffed mainly by ex-Guardian writers.
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26/11/2020 10:53:09 2 1
bbc
Everything in the future is always speculation.
Who would have known this time last year that there would be a Worldwide pandemic?
Was that included in any calculations.
Just be happy that you are here right now in a country that is helping people,not perfect by any means,but then where is?
97
26/11/2020 10:56:08 0 0
bbc
"Who would have known this time last year that there would be a Worldwide pandemic?"

According to the anti-Government whingers and sir Kier Smarmer, we knew it was going to happen years ago.
104
26/11/2020 11:03:38 0 1
bbc
Yes, there has always been a pandemic response plan. Trouble is successive governments have ignored it.
22
26/11/2020 10:38:29 10 8
bbc
The economy will quickly rebound. While Covid has been a disaster to many others are actually better off. No bus/train fares to work, no eating/drinking out and no foreign holidays. When the vaccine has been proven to work this pent up demand will soon make up for a lot of the that has not taken place this year.
70
26/11/2020 10:53:17 0 0
bbc
Payin off the mountains of debt that a lot of people live on not to mention the cars on tick.
28
26/11/2020 10:40:34 8 9
bbc
Expect Brexit to lower it a bit more

And people still expect houses prices not to drop

House price crash is coming
71
26/11/2020 10:54:48 0 0
bbc
To everyone's horror, they will soar even more !
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26/11/2020 10:36:00 3 1
bbc
I think politicians, whom apparently represent us, need to seriously think twice about perks, pay rises, etc when they are telling others to cut back.

Lead by example, otherwise you'll create an "us and them" situation which has already emerged. Take the pain with those you stand for and you'll appreciate what they are going through and what is worth fighting for, otherwise you're just a fraud.
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26/11/2020 10:34:53 23 11
bbc
Perhaps we should China to cancel the significant chunk of the National Debt that's owed to them under the circumstances. I can't believe that there hasn't been significant international repercussions for the damage that Chinese carelessness has caused.
73
26/11/2020 10:37:14 7 11
bbc
What international repercussions would you like? Before you answer go and research how the world has changed since the fall of our Empire and anyway leave the big thinking to Biden as he's the only person they will take notice of at all
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26/11/2020 11:08:38 4 2
bbc
Biden is clearly showing early signs of dementia so I'm not leaving my thinking to him. China is persecuting Hong Kong, invading islands in the South China Sea in breach of UN resolutions, imprisoning Muslims, slaughtering endangered animals, conducting industrial espionage on a massive scale, causing massive pollution etc etc - isn't it about time they faced some repercussions?
373
26/11/2020 15:58:07 0 0
bbc
The British Empire did not 'fall' but its constituent parts were granted self-government or independence. We are on friendly terms and trade well with most of these countries.
385
26/11/2020 16:29:04 1 0
bbc
Chinese carelessness.. You're kidding right!? As someone living in China, COVID restrictions haven't been a thing since April. I can go to a bar, restaurant or nightclub and have been doing so for several months now all because the Chinese government are actually competent when it comes to dealing with COVID. The UK is ****ed for the next 5 years at least and is, frankly, an embarassment.
74
26/11/2020 10:38:08 2 4
bbc
So basically us who have worked right thru this flu still have to contribute even though we never got furloughed. I think this is not right
75
26/11/2020 10:55:19 4 8
bbc
Ah, the famous BBC could've, would've, should've. It's about time we had hard facts. After all that's what we pay the BBC tax for!
76
26/11/2020 10:55:22 30 15
bbc
What puzzled me was no mention of the costs of Brexit. So does that mean that there aren't any, or that it's easier to pretend it's all down to Covid?.
100
26/11/2020 11:01:32 17 15
bbc
Hang in there. Your confirmation bias will be along shortly.
171
26/11/2020 11:25:38 6 5
bbc
Well, estimates are that Brexit has cost the UK alone as much already since 2016 as over 40 years of EU membership. This does not include the cost of Brexit to any of the EU27 either. Their economies also get hit by this UK self-harming exercise and creates more red tape their side, but Brexiters tend to ignore this as their horizon ends at the UK border.
392
26/11/2020 17:06:53 1 0
bbc
Sky reports that
the Office for Budget Responsibility (Government setup) that
a no deal Brexit will cut GDP by 2% and push up unemployment by 0.9% and delay by a year a return to pre COVID-19 levels.

Plus of course the impact so far of Brexit.
77
26/11/2020 10:55:44 7 5
bbc
Calling this crisis a covid crisis suggests that the virus is the problem. It isn't. The headline should read ... 'Government response to covid could 'cut pay by £1,200 a year by 2025'
78
26/11/2020 10:55:46 5 5
bbc
Why do they bother with these headlines - just sensationalist nonsense
46
26/11/2020 10:47:06 8 5
bbc
Total speculation, what a load Bo**ocks and a sensationalist headline
79
26/11/2020 10:56:36 2 3
bbc
yep, no one can make a forecast - unless they are brexiteers with the wonders of leave mate
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jon
26/11/2020 10:41:27 10 6
bbc
Resolution Foundation needs a dose of reality in a global pandemic. Many of us are existing on 80%. We all need to make cutbacks.
80
26/11/2020 10:56:47 2 1
bbc
And some have lost more than 20% - my savings had been depleted by voluntarily looking after aged parents and now my pension is being hammered as I am also out of work following their deaths
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jon
26/11/2020 11:07:56 1 0
bbc
Sorry to hear of your circumstances after such noble caring. Hopefully a vaccine can make a difference from Spring onwards. Good luck to you.
59
26/11/2020 10:50:44 7 8
bbc
It would be better to greatly increase the wages of low-paid workers, so that more people pay taxes to help pay off the deficit.
81
26/11/2020 10:57:01 3 4
bbc
It would be better to lower the tax allowances so more people pay tax and thus stop thinking government services are free. Balance this out by lowering the actual rate of tax for low-paid workers.
394
26/11/2020 17:20:00 0 1
bbc
why not actually tax the wealthy instead of taxing the poorest more by reducing the tax fee allowance?
it's crazy that people have been conned into thinking billionaires shouldn't pay taxes and that those earning minimum wage are the problem.
22
26/11/2020 10:38:29 10 8
bbc
The economy will quickly rebound. While Covid has been a disaster to many others are actually better off. No bus/train fares to work, no eating/drinking out and no foreign holidays. When the vaccine has been proven to work this pent up demand will soon make up for a lot of the that has not taken place this year.
82
26/11/2020 10:57:21 0 0
bbc
There will be a significant rebound, though it won't come close to eliminating the GDP drop through the pandemic, then we also have the debt to pay which will undoubtedly lower living standards for generations. Predictions seem to be that this will ony be exacerbated by Brexit.
52
26/11/2020 10:49:09 5 5
bbc
No it will not, Brexit chaos is coming
83
26/11/2020 10:57:46 0 0
bbc
Sounds like you'll be disappointed if it doesn't.
5
26/11/2020 10:33:17 101 12
bbc
Under the current circumstances, be glad you still have a job because there are lots of people who don't now.
84
26/11/2020 10:46:00 7 12
bbc
Patronising
155
26/11/2020 11:20:32 6 2
bbc
Repetitive
85
26/11/2020 10:58:02 7 2
bbc
I would not like to read negative comments about people on furlough. Those positions are most likely to be the first to be redundant when the support is removed. Many are volunteering in the community and learning to help their employment if and when that happens.

If a furloughed person was made redundant now, there would be no income tax on benefits to fund the public sector workers.
10
26/11/2020 10:34:41 125 25
bbc
Badly worded and poorly written article.

There will not be a £1,200 cut to pay packets. The Resolution Foundation report states that wage growth could be 10% lower between 2008 and 2023 than it was for the previous 15 years. That's GROWTH and COULD.

They have deliberately chosen a period that includes the 2008 crash & the pandemic, and have not factored in personal tax allowance and NI changes.
86
26/11/2020 10:58:20 20 6
bbc
Likely the vast majority of articles in the main stream media...using 'research' or quotes from groups with a vested interest , often speculative and or inaccurate in nature, and then presented in the most negative way possible.
87
26/11/2020 10:58:25 30 4
bbc
Right now I think that anyone who has a job and is able to work should be thankful. By the time this pandemic ends millions will be unemployed and a huge economic hole will need to be filled. There are going to be huge government borrowing debts to repay and there will need to be tax increases which by definition are pay cuts and this will go on for a number of years.
101
26/11/2020 10:59:25 3 22
bbc
Patronising
38
26/11/2020 10:43:45 46 54
bbc
"the gap between rich and poor has been increasing for a long, long time"
......That would be the10 years of tory rule. The "Eton boys get rich quick at the expense of everyone else club".
88
26/11/2020 10:58:30 17 11
bbc
I take it you belong to the Politics of Envy Party.
229
26/11/2020 11:51:42 4 6
bbc
"politics of envy"
Yet another tory soundbite.
309
26/11/2020 13:17:59 1 4
bbc
If you mean a party that routinely demonises lone parents, the low waged, benefit claimants, the disabled, the homeless, refugees, et al, on account of *checks notes* owning smartphones, all while subsidising tax dodging corporations to the tune of £100Bn, they've been in government culling 200k of your compatriots over a decade, and YOU voted for it. No wonder you're projecting your shame.
35
26/11/2020 10:42:55 63 19
bbc
Seen several posts about 'The young' being saddled with Covid debt

Personally I don't go for this divisive 'Old versus young' thing the BBC like to whip up

However, this next generation can thank themselves lucky they aren't paying off World War 2 debt. We only finished forking out for that bad boy in 2006!

Every generation has it's cross to bare so bottom lips in and be happy to be alive
89
26/11/2020 10:58:32 3 0
bbc
the BBc like to whip up? Nope not noticed that. Some tory MP's? Yes
3
26/11/2020 10:32:24 45 13
bbc
No pay cuts though for Jeff Bezos or one of the other billionaires whose obscene fortune keeps going up off the back of this crisis.
90
26/11/2020 10:59:00 7 1
bbc
Presusmably you refuse to use Amazon??
56
26/11/2020 10:50:13 5 4
bbc
The reports figures cover the period up to 2025, so include Brexit.

Do keep up....
91
26/11/2020 10:59:13 1 1
bbc
No they are quite explicit - corona mate
92
26/11/2020 10:48:23 6 0
bbc
Translation - prepare to get low-balled plebs. Feudalism is back.
45
26/11/2020 10:46:44 8 15
bbc
Watching the EU flounder and break up will ease the pain somewhat.
93
26/11/2020 10:49:11 1 1
bbc
Such a mature statement. Not.

You don't really understand how globalisation works, do you ?

If EU countries fail, that means fewer exports for British manufacturers.
148
26/11/2020 11:18:35 1 0
bbc
The EU is not a country, try reading the statement properly maybe.
33
26/11/2020 10:42:33 3 8
bbc
Could, might,maybe, perhaps. Meh!
94
26/11/2020 11:00:10 1 0
bbc
unless it's the wonders of leave when it's gospel
64
26/11/2020 10:51:32 3 4
bbc
At least we won't have to bail anyone out !
95
26/11/2020 10:54:03 2 1
bbc
Banks ? We're still bailing them out.
96
26/11/2020 10:55:43 6 1
bbc
"At least we won't have to bail anyone out" said Margaret

We are still bailing the banks out now, 12 years after 2008. RBS are stil state owned.
69
26/11/2020 10:53:09 2 1
bbc
Everything in the future is always speculation.
Who would have known this time last year that there would be a Worldwide pandemic?
Was that included in any calculations.
Just be happy that you are here right now in a country that is helping people,not perfect by any means,but then where is?
97
26/11/2020 10:56:08 0 0
bbc
"Who would have known this time last year that there would be a Worldwide pandemic?"

According to the anti-Government whingers and sir Kier Smarmer, we knew it was going to happen years ago.
98
26/11/2020 10:56:20 5 1
bbc
"Watching the EU flounder and break up will ease the pain somewhat." said Margaret, who fails to understand how globalisation works.
99
26/11/2020 10:57:49 0 1
bbc
Test
76
26/11/2020 10:55:22 30 15
bbc
What puzzled me was no mention of the costs of Brexit. So does that mean that there aren't any, or that it's easier to pretend it's all down to Covid?.
100
26/11/2020 11:01:32 17 15
bbc
Hang in there. Your confirmation bias will be along shortly.