Scrum-half Williams starts for Wales
26/11/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 467
Scrum-half Lloyd Williams will make his first Wales start for four years against England but Liam Williams and Justin Tipuric are injured.
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26/11/2020 12:06:16 4 6
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Lloyd Williams starting? Wonder if Pivac listened to squidge rugby?
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26/11/2020 12:09:22 3 5
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Atm he's our best scrum half atm. Why webb is on the bench i fo not now
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26/11/2020 12:07:33 3 2
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Now, lets get behind the team everyone!
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26/11/2020 12:08:19 9 9
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As an England fan I'm happy with that selection. No Liam Williams, two past-their-best locks and a past-his-best 8, and two relative new boys on the flanks. Also a Bristol fan so I feel for Sheedy. It's Wales so who knows but on paper that doesn't look good. Is Pivac another EJ when it comes to selection?
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26/11/2020 12:10:45 7 3
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Ball past his best ?????? do you even watch rugby
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26/11/2020 12:16:51 2 4
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Possibly, he's going for an early Christmas Bonus, having decided the Welsh coaching job is not for him? I'm Welsh, very proud, and dumbfounded by this selection. I appreciate you have to work with what you have, and not having the benefit of Tipuric, Moriarty, Navidi, Jenkins, L. Williams, J Davies as tested internationals is tough, but what's wrong with Wainwright and Dee?
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26/11/2020 12:08:57 5 2
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don't like whats' coming Saturday!!
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Huw
26/11/2020 12:09:10 27 5
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Good mix of youth and experience. Well done Pivac for starting with J Williams, LRZ, Lewis-Hughes and Botham. We have to start developing for the future. But, Elias at Hooker again? Dee should be starting with Sam Parry on the bench. We will get little line out ball again.
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26/11/2020 12:11:36 8 4
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I thought Dee was poor against Georgia. None of oir hookers are on form to be fair
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26/11/2020 12:13:28 0 4
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Liam williams is off form, he needs to go back to the scarlets to get playing time. I for one, am gald he aint playing
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26/11/2020 12:06:16 4 6
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Lloyd Williams starting? Wonder if Pivac listened to squidge rugby?
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26/11/2020 12:09:22 3 5
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Atm he's our best scrum half atm. Why webb is on the bench i fo not now
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26/11/2020 12:09:56 2 1
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Too old or too inexperienced. Very few at their peak. Maybe in 3 years though....
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26/11/2020 12:08:19 9 9
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As an England fan I'm happy with that selection. No Liam Williams, two past-their-best locks and a past-his-best 8, and two relative new boys on the flanks. Also a Bristol fan so I feel for Sheedy. It's Wales so who knows but on paper that doesn't look good. Is Pivac another EJ when it comes to selection?
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26/11/2020 12:10:45 7 3
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Ball past his best ?????? do you even watch rugby
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26/11/2020 12:17:40 3 5
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Well, one thing for sure, of the 5 English locks in the 46 players selected, he's a long way behind the three that will line up in white.
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26/11/2020 12:24:44 4 4
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Most matches for the last 50 years and played for 32. You? Are you saying he's the best lock available to Wales at this moment? If so then you obviously don't watch much rugby. Get your money down, you can get 7 to 1 on a Wales win today. Yes 7 to 1. When was the last time odds like that were offered on a Wales home win?
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26/11/2020 12:11:25 1 4
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This is not going to be pretty for Pivac...

The question is, how long will the Welsh tolerate rebuilding? Not long I suspect!
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26/11/2020 12:16:12 2 3
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What? So, you dont want to give him time to rebuild? Did you expecr instant success and magical rugby straight away? Half our team is still getting thwir match fitness back
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Huw
26/11/2020 12:09:10 27 5
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Good mix of youth and experience. Well done Pivac for starting with J Williams, LRZ, Lewis-Hughes and Botham. We have to start developing for the future. But, Elias at Hooker again? Dee should be starting with Sam Parry on the bench. We will get little line out ball again.
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26/11/2020 12:11:36 8 4
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I thought Dee was poor against Georgia. None of oir hookers are on form to be fair
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26/11/2020 12:12:05 34 3
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It’s great to see Johnny Williams healthy and playing international rugby. I’d have preferred for him to have stayed in England, but it’s good to see him thriving either way.
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26/11/2020 12:20:38 15 14
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Mate, hes welsh through and through. Look at his full name lol
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27/11/2020 09:14:34 0 0
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Agree about his health. According to WalesOnline he is "Hadleigh Parkes with the X factor" son that'll be alright.
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26/11/2020 12:12:40 5 6
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Further to my earlier comment - is Liam Williams injured? If not then it's ludicrous to replace him with Halfpenny. England kicking ball to Williams and have him run back is always a worry for all England fans. Halfpenny? Quite frankly he wasn't that good when he was good. Don't know about you Welsh guys but it seems like a massive mistake to me.
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26/11/2020 12:14:54 2 4
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Williams is out of form, dpesnt deserve to be in the team...any decent rugby fan should be able to see that
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26/11/2020 15:18:18 1 0
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Did you watch the Georgia Game. Every time Williams ran with the ball he ran down a blind alley which usually resulted in a turnover. Don't think he passed once. Maybe it was a lack of trust in the younger guys, but if you always run/dummy you are predictable and therefore offer no threat. Contrast to LRZ who creates as many tries for others as he scores himself
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26/11/2020 17:13:48 2 0
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Reading the report (above) I think it says (or that’s how I read it) that Williams has failed to prove his fitness after having a number of stitches put into a mouth injury suffered against Georgia.
Or am I reading a different report?
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26/11/2020 12:12:51 5 2
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Given the injury list, one or two regulars 'out-of-form' and most of the Dragons contingent on lockdown due to Covid, that is as good as it gets. Pleased for some of the guys getting a second chance. However, I do think it is going to be a long, hard day at the office. I expect to see a lot of changes for the six nations.
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26/11/2020 12:58:35 1 0
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Yes, tbh Ollie Griffiths one of the best forwards Dragons/Wales have if you look at the stats, how much unluckier can he get. Just have to feel that he will be one of those that never make it for whatever reason. Despite recent seasons, still think there's the same blinkers that have always been there to an extent.
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26/11/2020 12:13:23 4 8
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Decent side on paper, but some potential weaknesses. Flankers with 3 caps between them; untried centre partnership; and whilst the starting scrum looks OK, Genge, Cowan-Dickie and Stuart against Carre, Dee and Francis could be a bloodbath.
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26/11/2020 12:38:57 5 2
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Not worried about Francis or Dee in the scrum, but Carre got on the wrong side of the ref vs Ire and could have a target on his back.
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26/11/2020 14:41:09 2 0
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I'm English so no axe to grind. I think getting some new blood in will be a good thing for Pivac if he's given enough time. Just need to move awj and Toby on and bring the new players through. Be patient. He's a good coach not a miracle worker.
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Huw
26/11/2020 12:09:10 27 5
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Good mix of youth and experience. Well done Pivac for starting with J Williams, LRZ, Lewis-Hughes and Botham. We have to start developing for the future. But, Elias at Hooker again? Dee should be starting with Sam Parry on the bench. We will get little line out ball again.
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26/11/2020 12:13:28 0 4
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Liam williams is off form, he needs to go back to the scarlets to get playing time. I for one, am gald he aint playing
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26/11/2020 12:50:36 2 1
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You up Cefn Coed ? Been let loose on the keyboard ?
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26/11/2020 12:12:40 5 6
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Further to my earlier comment - is Liam Williams injured? If not then it's ludicrous to replace him with Halfpenny. England kicking ball to Williams and have him run back is always a worry for all England fans. Halfpenny? Quite frankly he wasn't that good when he was good. Don't know about you Welsh guys but it seems like a massive mistake to me.
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26/11/2020 12:14:54 2 4
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Williams is out of form, dpesnt deserve to be in the team...any decent rugby fan should be able to see that
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26/11/2020 12:28:43 2 3
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An out-of-form Liam Williams is still a bigger threat than Halfpenny. Any decent rugby fan should be able to see that. As I said get your money down.
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26/11/2020 12:14:57 5 2
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Think we're going to get smashed if I'm honest. Was hoping Sanjay, Tips and Navidi would be available.
Biggar can't manage a rush defence, nothing but high balls and chase all afternoon.
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26/11/2020 12:55:37 3 2
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Couldn't agree with you more Flex! Biggar is going to be moaning a fair bit ?? up and unders every time he has the ball! Fear for the welsh front row after 55mins too with the bench! Would have been good to see Sanjay as he loves the hit-ups and counter attack. Will be good to see the young boys put their hands up! Hope Sheedy gets a run top drawer for my Bears! Here's to a good game & ENG win
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Huw
26/11/2020 12:15:12 21 3
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I may follow the Blues, but i'm amazed Wainwright isn't starting, although i think his best position is 8, so maybe Faletau is lucky. So pleased to see Lloyd Williams starting, none of the 9's have done a great deal this year
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26/11/2020 15:23:04 2 0
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Or half Wainwright at 7, he was so mobile for a big fella
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26/11/2020 12:15:50 0 3
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Too soon for this Welsh team I'm afraid. Perhaps they can treat it as a live tracking session, with the odd bit of counter attacking?
Hope the youngsters don't get hammered & demoralised.
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26/11/2020 12:11:25 1 4
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This is not going to be pretty for Pivac...

The question is, how long will the Welsh tolerate rebuilding? Not long I suspect!
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26/11/2020 12:16:12 2 3
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What? So, you dont want to give him time to rebuild? Did you expecr instant success and magical rugby straight away? Half our team is still getting thwir match fitness back
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26/11/2020 12:27:55 1 4
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No mention in my post on how long I would give Pivac and I have NO expectations for Wales....apart from being hammered in this match. Read again matey, slowly this time!
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26/11/2020 12:16:16 4 1
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Why isn't Dee starting ?
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26/11/2020 12:48:24 5 4
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Wayne Pivac still wears Scarlet glasses, should be Dee and Parry
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26/11/2020 12:08:19 9 9
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As an England fan I'm happy with that selection. No Liam Williams, two past-their-best locks and a past-his-best 8, and two relative new boys on the flanks. Also a Bristol fan so I feel for Sheedy. It's Wales so who knows but on paper that doesn't look good. Is Pivac another EJ when it comes to selection?
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26/11/2020 12:16:51 2 4
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Possibly, he's going for an early Christmas Bonus, having decided the Welsh coaching job is not for him? I'm Welsh, very proud, and dumbfounded by this selection. I appreciate you have to work with what you have, and not having the benefit of Tipuric, Moriarty, Navidi, Jenkins, L. Williams, J Davies as tested internationals is tough, but what's wrong with Wainwright and Dee?
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26/11/2020 12:25:38 5 1
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So, if pivac stick with the same, he gets slated, he tries something new, he gets slated. So baisically, Pivac cannot win. Tbh, im slightly disgusted by some of the reaction by welsh fans tbh. Since when did we turn in the moaning fpotball fans? Thought we were better than this
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26/11/2020 12:17:04 37 4
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It’s going to be a an eye opener for some of these welsh players against a very strong English team & bench . But building for the future curry & Underhill against Botham & Lewis Hughes. What an opportunity for the welsh backrow to measure themselves against the best in the world . Exciting stuff cmon wales ??????????????.
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26/11/2020 12:19:39 37 4
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We have to do this. Short term pains, for long term gains
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26/11/2020 12:47:32 10 2
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Best in the world ? That would be the Boks, especially duToit
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26/11/2020 16:49:46 2 10
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Botham and Lewis Hughes measure themselves against the best in the world at Wales training camp ie Tips and Navidi, both better than Curry and your ex Osprey product Underhill
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26/11/2020 19:03:39 3 0
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Big ask - looking it up Botham has only played 8 games professionally.

Him & Lewis-Hughes have only 3 caps between them.

The Welsh side has a lot of youth & inexperience Ruth combinations that haven’t played together at all or much.

I’m not saying you won’t reap the rewards down the line, but we’ve gone full strength & I think it could be a painful experience for these youngsters on Sat
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26/11/2020 12:17:35 11 4
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Anyone taking on bets as to how long Pivac and Humphreys will last.
Howley your excluded from this ;-)
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26/11/2020 12:19:08 4 4
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So you wouldnt give him time, then? Why not? What woupd ypu do differently?
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26/11/2020 12:49:43 1 4
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Doubt he will make 6ns
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26/11/2020 14:35:34 1 0
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If Pivac was the right person to take over from Gatland he should remain there until the World Cup, if not than those who appointed him should also go. The issue is down to the injury list, the strength in depth not as good as people were proclaiming, lack of leadership on the field and the clubs not developing players. I just shows how big an impact Gatland had and the players over-performed
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26/11/2020 12:10:45 7 3
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Ball past his best ?????? do you even watch rugby
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26/11/2020 12:17:40 3 5
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Well, one thing for sure, of the 5 English locks in the 46 players selected, he's a long way behind the three that will line up in white.
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26/11/2020 14:19:53 1 0
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Your such a bore go and comment on the English HYS
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26/11/2020 12:18:23 15 5
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Lloyd Williams won't let anyone down but this team has too many young lads going up against hardened veterans. I hope they good account of themselves and we can start the rebuilding process.
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26/11/2020 12:33:46 13 3
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So Pivac gets slated for sticling to tired and trusted, he tries something new and still gets slated? ??
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26/11/2020 12:47:49 3 1
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I would see it as a bit early to call players in their 20's as veterans
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27/11/2020 07:27:05 1 0
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Reminds me of all the managers who went to Man Utd after Fergie. Rebuilding should have started earlier but they carried the can.
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26/11/2020 12:18:56 2 10
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No Liam “Neck Roll” Williams, so Wales won’t play as dirty. That’s got to be a positive for them.
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26/11/2020 12:18:58 4 3
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How many chances will Elias get!? Can't throw a straight ball to save his life. Parry is the only one who's thrown straight all autumn and not even on the bench!
2 very inexperienced flankers against Curry and Underhill? Could be painful.
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26/11/2020 12:17:35 11 4
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Anyone taking on bets as to how long Pivac and Humphreys will last.
Howley your excluded from this ;-)
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26/11/2020 12:19:08 4 4
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So you wouldnt give him time, then? Why not? What woupd ypu do differently?
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26/11/2020 12:19:23 4 1
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Well, its going to a ' hard day at the office' Would have preferred Dee starting
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26/11/2020 12:17:04 37 4
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It’s going to be a an eye opener for some of these welsh players against a very strong English team & bench . But building for the future curry & Underhill against Botham & Lewis Hughes. What an opportunity for the welsh backrow to measure themselves against the best in the world . Exciting stuff cmon wales ??????????????.
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26/11/2020 12:19:39 37 4
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We have to do this. Short term pains, for long term gains
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26/11/2020 12:33:23 4 1
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Totally agree
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26/11/2020 12:12:05 34 3
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It’s great to see Johnny Williams healthy and playing international rugby. I’d have preferred for him to have stayed in England, but it’s good to see him thriving either way.
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26/11/2020 12:20:38 15 14
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Mate, hes welsh through and through. Look at his full name lol
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26/11/2020 14:27:04 22 1
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Sorry, I didn’t intend any bitterness in my comment or to suggest that he shouldn’t play for the country of his paternal heritage, I just think he’s a very promising player who could have made a contribution to England if he so chose. My comment was more about his recovery from cancer. If you’re offended by that then I suggest that you look inward.
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26/11/2020 15:19:44 5 1
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And he was born in Gwlad yr Haf
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26/11/2020 16:59:30 2 0
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So why did he play for Eng against Baa baas?
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26/11/2020 12:20:42 1 4
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Shame that Sanjay isn't playing, but exciting few players for Wales. With the England pack on fire and very athletic, cant see AWJ and Lee running round the park for long! Get tired and then Earl and Willis come into the equation! Biggar spends more time moaning than playing rugby and is made of glass so hope Sheedy gets a good run. It could be an exciting game and an England win hopefully
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26/11/2020 12:22:09 3 2
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They'll target the defence of Tompkins and LRZ. And obviously the young wing forwards are going to be tested. Into the fire boys, time to stand up!
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26/11/2020 12:45:45 5 1
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Both flankers have this opportunity to force their way in permanently

Tips is brilliant but is 31, Moriarty injury prone, Navidi is outstanding and my dark horse for the Lions so Saturday is a great opportunity for the Blues boys to show what they can do
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26/11/2020 12:24:15 25 7
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This is effectively a free hit for Wales. Massive underdogs, inexperienced team, at home and its England. I'm thinking it's going to be alot closer than the pundits are saying and in a two horse race their is always a chance of an upset.
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26/11/2020 12:30:05 14 4
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Thank you, you are the 1st comment on here that actually shows you understabd whats going on. Short term pains for lomg term gains
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Bob
26/11/2020 14:44:40 0 1
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I would have thought in a race with only two horses, the favorite would find it easier than if it was a full card of horses getting in his way etc.
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26/11/2020 14:51:03 2 0
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Yep, they like nothing more than upsetting the English. I wouldn't count them out, but should be a comfortable England win on paper. Thankfully sport isn't played on paper. Looking forward to a cracker
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26/11/2020 17:00:11 0 1
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There is.
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26/11/2020 12:24:24 3 1
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People had asked for new faces, we got em, front row can compete, second row plobably the best we've got,back row may struggle, the backs are chosen to run the ball , forwards need to supply good quick ball for them ifnot a long day at the office I'm afraid
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26/11/2020 12:27:13 5 2
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Pivac cant win. Some people wont pivac as coach. He sticls to the same, he gets slated, he tries something new, he gets slated.
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26/11/2020 12:10:45 7 3
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Ball past his best ?????? do you even watch rugby
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26/11/2020 12:24:44 4 4
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Most matches for the last 50 years and played for 32. You? Are you saying he's the best lock available to Wales at this moment? If so then you obviously don't watch much rugby. Get your money down, you can get 7 to 1 on a Wales win today. Yes 7 to 1. When was the last time odds like that were offered on a Wales home win?
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26/11/2020 12:37:31 3 1
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Oy idiots bet mate. Rowlands has been poor, Hill still comimg back from injuries and seb davus usnt good enough yet
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26/11/2020 12:16:51 2 4
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Possibly, he's going for an early Christmas Bonus, having decided the Welsh coaching job is not for him? I'm Welsh, very proud, and dumbfounded by this selection. I appreciate you have to work with what you have, and not having the benefit of Tipuric, Moriarty, Navidi, Jenkins, L. Williams, J Davies as tested internationals is tough, but what's wrong with Wainwright and Dee?
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26/11/2020 12:25:38 5 1
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So, if pivac stick with the same, he gets slated, he tries something new, he gets slated. So baisically, Pivac cannot win. Tbh, im slightly disgusted by some of the reaction by welsh fans tbh. Since when did we turn in the moaning fpotball fans? Thought we were better than this
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26/11/2020 13:51:16 0 2
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"So, if pivac stick with the same, he gets slated, he tries something new, he gets slated. So baisically, Pivac cannot win"

Well, you boyos love to have a go at Eddie Jones who faces the exact same dilema. Dry your eyes.
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26/11/2020 12:06:16 4 6
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Lloyd Williams starting? Wonder if Pivac listened to squidge rugby?
Removed
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26/11/2020 12:24:24 3 1
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People had asked for new faces, we got em, front row can compete, second row plobably the best we've got,back row may struggle, the backs are chosen to run the ball , forwards need to supply good quick ball for them ifnot a long day at the office I'm afraid
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26/11/2020 12:27:13 5 2
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Pivac cant win. Some people wont pivac as coach. He sticls to the same, he gets slated, he tries something new, he gets slated.
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26/11/2020 12:48:28 0 3
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I think people are not convinced with the back row and 9 choice
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26/11/2020 12:27:49 3 3
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Going to be quite a heavy defeat. Got to take a long term view though and it takes trial and error plus patience

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26/11/2020 12:42:32 6 1
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Thankfully your not giving them team talk
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26/11/2020 12:16:12 2 3
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What? So, you dont want to give him time to rebuild? Did you expecr instant success and magical rugby straight away? Half our team is still getting thwir match fitness back
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26/11/2020 12:27:55 1 4
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No mention in my post on how long I would give Pivac and I have NO expectations for Wales....apart from being hammered in this match. Read again matey, slowly this time!
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26/11/2020 12:14:54 2 4
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Williams is out of form, dpesnt deserve to be in the team...any decent rugby fan should be able to see that
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26/11/2020 12:28:43 2 3
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An out-of-form Liam Williams is still a bigger threat than Halfpenny. Any decent rugby fan should be able to see that. As I said get your money down.
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26/11/2020 12:35:03 2 2
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Disagree. Glad north is dropped too. Williams has been awfull and needs to play for the Scarlets to get match fit
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26/11/2020 12:29:47 5 1
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Not sure about the back row; full of potential but probably our third choice atm. I would have preferred Wainwright to Faletau. Talupe not the same player since coming back from his injuries. Gotta fancy England by at least 12 points (hope I'm wrong).
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26/11/2020 12:42:11 6 1
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Josh Navidi is badly missed, absolute workhorse
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26/11/2020 13:36:43 0 3
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I’d take that , but I’m afraid it may be closer to 50 !
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26/11/2020 12:24:15 25 7
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This is effectively a free hit for Wales. Massive underdogs, inexperienced team, at home and its England. I'm thinking it's going to be alot closer than the pundits are saying and in a two horse race their is always a chance of an upset.
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26/11/2020 12:30:05 14 4
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Thank you, you are the 1st comment on here that actually shows you understabd whats going on. Short term pains for lomg term gains
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26/11/2020 12:30:22 11 10
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Quick quiz welsh fans!

?? Pivac leads wales to France

?? Gone at 2 year contract break
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26/11/2020 12:32:21 1 1
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Leads wales to France if the fans give him time
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26/11/2020 13:10:21 1 1
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If we start to show improvements then yes fine, but ill give him to next summer and if we still look clueless and another 5th in 6N then he has to go.
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26/11/2020 15:25:07 0 0
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Too early to tell, if we see a consistent trend of improvement by next year, suggesting we will be ready for France, then he'll stay. If not he'll go
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26/11/2020 12:31:01 5 1
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Not sure what's happened to Gareth Davies at scrum half. Thought Wainwright did enough to get a spot. So, a bit light in the back row. Hence having the wiser and older heads at half back. As a Welshman, you have to blood these guys, and use it as a learning experience. Who knows, they've nothing to lose!
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26/11/2020 12:44:38 6 2
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the thing lloyd Williams brings to the table is fast delivery as opposed to Webb who will be looking to box kicks and Davies who will be looking to snipe both of which take any kind of tempo out of our attack.
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26/11/2020 12:30:22 11 10
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Quick quiz welsh fans!

?? Pivac leads wales to France

?? Gone at 2 year contract break
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26/11/2020 12:32:21 1 1
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Leads wales to France if the fans give him time
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26/11/2020 12:19:39 37 4
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We have to do this. Short term pains, for long term gains
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26/11/2020 12:33:23 4 1
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Totally agree
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26/11/2020 12:33:30 6 3
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This is a huge risk, especially in the back row, even though injury induced. There's been a lot of hype around Lewis-Hughes and Botham but this is really throwing them in at the deep end. A gradual introduction would have been much more preferable. LRZ deserves his opportunity, looking forward to him getting the ball (if the other backs can get it to him?) and creating some problems.
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26/11/2020 12:41:08 3 2
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For LRZ, Tompkins and Adams to get the ball we need clean ball from the set piece. Tough ask. And we'll need to be far better at the breakdown... 3 caps between the flankers...
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26/11/2020 12:42:15 3 1
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Not really sure we had too many options in back row, think faletau is struggling atm as well, just hope the youngsters can hold up! Glad weve gone with lloyd at 9 for speed of getting the ball away! Also shame Liam is injured but at least HP is reliable! I think I might of started speedy at 10 with biggar coming on hopefully with us near as a finisher!! Just hope it's not a hammering
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26/11/2020 12:18:23 15 5
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Lloyd Williams won't let anyone down but this team has too many young lads going up against hardened veterans. I hope they good account of themselves and we can start the rebuilding process.
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26/11/2020 12:33:46 13 3
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So Pivac gets slated for sticling to tired and trusted, he tries something new and still gets slated? ??
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26/11/2020 15:17:42 1 3
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Slated the man has done a terrible job. Are you watching the same games that he's been in charge of. No discipline and the new players he's bringing in are far from the standard of internationals.
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26/11/2020 12:28:43 2 3
bbc
An out-of-form Liam Williams is still a bigger threat than Halfpenny. Any decent rugby fan should be able to see that. As I said get your money down.
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26/11/2020 12:35:03 2 2
bbc
Disagree. Glad north is dropped too. Williams has been awfull and needs to play for the Scarlets to get match fit
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26/11/2020 14:38:19 1 0
bbc
Harsh, hes out of form but not awful. He's brilliant on his day but haven't seen those yet. Halfp is also out of form, as is biggs, and Toby... I guess they don't rediscover form by not playing though.
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26/11/2020 12:37:09 20 10
bbc
so 60 minutes of biggar kicking high balls he fails to catch followed by 20 minutes of webb box kicking balls no one chases.
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26/11/2020 12:24:44 4 4
bbc
Most matches for the last 50 years and played for 32. You? Are you saying he's the best lock available to Wales at this moment? If so then you obviously don't watch much rugby. Get your money down, you can get 7 to 1 on a Wales win today. Yes 7 to 1. When was the last time odds like that were offered on a Wales home win?
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26/11/2020 12:37:31 3 1
bbc
Oy idiots bet mate. Rowlands has been poor, Hill still comimg back from injuries and seb davus usnt good enough yet
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26/11/2020 13:53:07 0 2
bbc
"Oy idiots bet mate"

You can't beat a sweeping generalisation, especially when its a reaction to being owned on a BBC HYS.
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26/11/2020 12:13:23 4 8
bbc
Decent side on paper, but some potential weaknesses. Flankers with 3 caps between them; untried centre partnership; and whilst the starting scrum looks OK, Genge, Cowan-Dickie and Stuart against Carre, Dee and Francis could be a bloodbath.
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26/11/2020 12:38:57 5 2
bbc
Not worried about Francis or Dee in the scrum, but Carre got on the wrong side of the ref vs Ire and could have a target on his back.
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26/11/2020 12:40:26 20 4
bbc
Not an amazing starting XV. The wingers are very exciting, AWJ will continue to give every effort and it's the best front row Wales have (that's fit).

What I would say is that the bench has some great options on it. Sheedy especially looks like one who in a couple of years could be very good.
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26/11/2020 12:40:57 8 4
bbc
Good calls up front, only AWJ & Falatau are veterans, the rest will be around for years

I like SLH & Botham, busy players and fearless, Tips is still top dog though when fit

I hope LRZ is now 1st choice wing with Adams, North is a beast but lost his mojo at Saints

Good luck to the team, no one gives Wales a hope, complete underdogs so all the pressure is on Eddie
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26/11/2020 14:15:06 5 0
bbc
LRZ is great to watch whichever country you support and for Wales someone with X factor that can help them get their mojo back. Good players don't go bad overnight - they just need a spark to reignite.
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26/11/2020 12:33:30 6 3
bbc
This is a huge risk, especially in the back row, even though injury induced. There's been a lot of hype around Lewis-Hughes and Botham but this is really throwing them in at the deep end. A gradual introduction would have been much more preferable. LRZ deserves his opportunity, looking forward to him getting the ball (if the other backs can get it to him?) and creating some problems.
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26/11/2020 12:41:08 3 2
bbc
For LRZ, Tompkins and Adams to get the ball we need clean ball from the set piece. Tough ask. And we'll need to be far better at the breakdown... 3 caps between the flankers...
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26/11/2020 12:29:47 5 1
bbc
Not sure about the back row; full of potential but probably our third choice atm. I would have preferred Wainwright to Faletau. Talupe not the same player since coming back from his injuries. Gotta fancy England by at least 12 points (hope I'm wrong).
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26/11/2020 12:42:11 6 1
bbc
Josh Navidi is badly missed, absolute workhorse
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26/11/2020 15:31:15 2 0
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And Ellis Jenkins. If you think of just the Blues back row options of Jenkins, Navidi, Botham and Lewis-Hughes we have some decent competition for back row options across the Regions now to develop for the next WC as well as a few old hands who could still be in the mix then. Just need to see who has what it takes to step up and claim the shirt. My worry is still centre, unless we use a 10 at 12.
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27/11/2020 07:59:24 0 1
bbc
I agree. As an England supporter, I hate seeing his name on the team sheet. He won't be picked for the Lions, but I would swap him for Billy V. any day. Wonderful and committed player, who is under-rated. I think Dai Young's lad should be given more of a chance too. England have a lot of strength in depth in the back row, but so do Wales. I hope it is close.
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26/11/2020 12:33:30 6 3
bbc
This is a huge risk, especially in the back row, even though injury induced. There's been a lot of hype around Lewis-Hughes and Botham but this is really throwing them in at the deep end. A gradual introduction would have been much more preferable. LRZ deserves his opportunity, looking forward to him getting the ball (if the other backs can get it to him?) and creating some problems.
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26/11/2020 12:42:15 3 1
bbc
Not really sure we had too many options in back row, think faletau is struggling atm as well, just hope the youngsters can hold up! Glad weve gone with lloyd at 9 for speed of getting the ball away! Also shame Liam is injured but at least HP is reliable! I think I might of started speedy at 10 with biggar coming on hopefully with us near as a finisher!! Just hope it's not a hammering
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26/11/2020 13:00:07 2 1
bbc
Felatau is playing exceptionally well, he has dig ball out of retreating mauls and scrums every game. Wales have no platform. We have lots of options in the back row ahead of the 2 selected. England should win by 15 points at least unless they have a nightmare under a swirling high ball.
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26/11/2020 12:27:49 3 3
bbc
Going to be quite a heavy defeat. Got to take a long term view though and it takes trial and error plus patience

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26/11/2020 12:42:32 6 1
bbc
Thankfully your not giving them team talk
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26/11/2020 12:31:01 5 1
bbc
Not sure what's happened to Gareth Davies at scrum half. Thought Wainwright did enough to get a spot. So, a bit light in the back row. Hence having the wiser and older heads at half back. As a Welshman, you have to blood these guys, and use it as a learning experience. Who knows, they've nothing to lose!
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26/11/2020 12:44:38 6 2
bbc
the thing lloyd Williams brings to the table is fast delivery as opposed to Webb who will be looking to box kicks and Davies who will be looking to snipe both of which take any kind of tempo out of our attack.
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26/11/2020 12:45:15 8 4
bbc
All for flooding new talent, but this is a big ask for Botham & SLH. Wainwright & Cubby may have been a safer bet.
But this is a game that we don't expect much from, so it's worth a shot I guess.
A lot of the selection is down to injuries, but can't get my head around Elias being in and Parry not even on the bench.
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26/11/2020 13:04:44 5 5
bbc
Hey flex not sure why Beard is not in the squad! Hes playing well for the ospreys atm! So as far as I'm aware hes match fit which may not be the case for a couple of the locks! Hes also a menace in the mail a bit in the charteris mode!
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26/11/2020 12:45:18 5 2
bbc
Great to see LRZ & J Williams in the side. Disappointed to see L Williams injured that would be a good back 3. Lloyd Williams deserve his start based on who is available.
Would have started with Wainwright at 6 and Dee at 2 for me, Elias has been a disaster to date.
Oh well not expecting much but you never know.
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26/11/2020 12:22:09 3 2
bbc
They'll target the defence of Tompkins and LRZ. And obviously the young wing forwards are going to be tested. Into the fire boys, time to stand up!
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26/11/2020 12:45:45 5 1
bbc
Both flankers have this opportunity to force their way in permanently

Tips is brilliant but is 31, Moriarty injury prone, Navidi is outstanding and my dark horse for the Lions so Saturday is a great opportunity for the Blues boys to show what they can do
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26/11/2020 13:19:51 2 0
bbc
Navidi is class but I'd go for Willis as the dark horse backrower for the Lions, even though he's not yet starting for England.
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26/11/2020 12:45:46 5 1
bbc
I will always support Wales what ever bad run they have had and currently. My only saving grace, the game kicks off at 4 so a lot of beer will be had beforehand. Really excited about the selection, but this should of be done prior to this game
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26/11/2020 12:46:15 3 5
bbc
Not Wales best squad never mind team.
The balance seems strange.
England with a convincing win
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26/11/2020 12:46:55 0 5
bbc
Gulp!
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26/11/2020 12:17:04 37 4
bbc
It’s going to be a an eye opener for some of these welsh players against a very strong English team & bench . But building for the future curry & Underhill against Botham & Lewis Hughes. What an opportunity for the welsh backrow to measure themselves against the best in the world . Exciting stuff cmon wales ??????????????.
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26/11/2020 12:47:32 10 2
bbc
Best in the world ? That would be the Boks, especially duToit
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26/11/2020 13:49:14 3 1
bbc
Fair point
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26/11/2020 12:18:23 15 5
bbc
Lloyd Williams won't let anyone down but this team has too many young lads going up against hardened veterans. I hope they good account of themselves and we can start the rebuilding process.
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26/11/2020 12:47:49 3 1
bbc
I would see it as a bit early to call players in their 20's as veterans
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26/11/2020 12:48:23 4 11
bbc
Everyone has their own quips about the eligibility rules... but playing for 2 different countries at senior level within 18 months is the most farcical of the lot!!
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26/11/2020 12:50:43 7 3
bbc
Who you talking about? Williams? England tried to steal him and failed. He's welsh through and through, look at his full name lol
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26/11/2020 12:16:16 4 1
bbc
Why isn't Dee starting ?
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26/11/2020 12:48:24 5 4
bbc
Wayne Pivac still wears Scarlet glasses, should be Dee and Parry
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26/11/2020 12:27:13 5 2
bbc
Pivac cant win. Some people wont pivac as coach. He sticls to the same, he gets slated, he tries something new, he gets slated.
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26/11/2020 12:48:28 0 3
bbc
I think people are not convinced with the back row and 9 choice
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26/11/2020 13:01:04 2 0
bbc
9 choice? Webb is out of form, Davis too. For me, Williams is the only logiclal choice. We havnt the strenght in depth to be picky. Sad but true
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26/11/2020 12:17:35 11 4
bbc
Anyone taking on bets as to how long Pivac and Humphreys will last.
Howley your excluded from this ;-)
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26/11/2020 12:49:43 1 4
bbc
Doubt he will make 6ns
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26/11/2020 12:49:50 10 13
bbc
Let's hope the officials catch underhill offside this week, I don't think he ever managed to stay onside last week, but the officials never penalised him. Mystery. Hope penalty machine itoje keeps up his penalty count and the officials catch farrel with his illegal no arms tackling. Wales big underdogs, if Wales lose, let's hope the opponents play fair.
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26/11/2020 12:58:34 9 8
bbc
Just how many chips do you have on your shoulder?

There is a referee that determines who is playing fair and he has 3 assistants and a host of cameras to assist him.
But I'm sure your view is more accurate since they're clearly biased, whereas you are completely neutral.
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26/11/2020 13:12:02 7 4
bbc
Not sure why you are having a pop at officials when AWJ is under the impression that he referees every game he plays. ??
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26/11/2020 13:58:00 1 2
bbc
Blimey are you a jurno for WOL and pre written next weeks daily article moaning how unjust the loss was.
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26/11/2020 15:08:45 2 0
bbc
Heard it before already this week, if they (England) win, it's because they cheated. Straight from the Trump playbook. And when it comes to offside, we won't use Saint Alun as the benchmark. Whoever wins the match will have deserved it.
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26/11/2020 15:41:51 1 0
bbc
??- this has to be tongue in cheek. If all 23 of England’s players don’t cheat as per usual then Wales will win. We heard it here first!
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26/11/2020 16:20:50 2 0
bbc
As a Welshman I'm stunned to hear anyone criticise Itoje. He's one of the best forwards in world rugby atm, and nailed on for a Lions spot. I'm somewhat surprised that Wainwright goes from MOTM to warming the bench. Slightly dreading the game, but at this point, we've nothing to lose.
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26/11/2020 12:13:28 0 4
bbc
Liam williams is off form, he needs to go back to the scarlets to get playing time. I for one, am gald he aint playing
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26/11/2020 12:50:36 2 1
bbc
You up Cefn Coed ? Been let loose on the keyboard ?
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26/11/2020 12:48:23 4 11
bbc
Everyone has their own quips about the eligibility rules... but playing for 2 different countries at senior level within 18 months is the most farcical of the lot!!
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26/11/2020 12:50:43 7 3
bbc
Who you talking about? Williams? England tried to steal him and failed. He's welsh through and through, look at his full name lol
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26/11/2020 13:29:21 1 2
bbc
Can you “steal” a player against their will?!

Wasn’t necessarily a dig at Wales.
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26/11/2020 12:52:51 0 6
bbc
Wales are going to get their backsides handed to them on a plate! This is going to be the first England v Wales rugby match I can bring myself to watch
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26/11/2020 17:37:35 0 0
bbc
Genuinely I believe all the Welsh who predict a smashing by Eng are just storing it up so shld Wales win they can site that as Eng arrogance! I know that's a bit convoluted but you know what I mean. V few Eng posters are that confident..... I never am.
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26/11/2020 12:55:19 5 4
bbc
I know we have many injuries but Pivac could pick his nose. Back row looks canon fodder.
Wales 9 England 48
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26/11/2020 12:59:02 3 2
bbc
So who else could he pick? This is the best team he could have chosen
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26/11/2020 12:14:57 5 2
bbc
Think we're going to get smashed if I'm honest. Was hoping Sanjay, Tips and Navidi would be available.
Biggar can't manage a rush defence, nothing but high balls and chase all afternoon.
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26/11/2020 12:55:37 3 2
bbc
Couldn't agree with you more Flex! Biggar is going to be moaning a fair bit ?? up and unders every time he has the ball! Fear for the welsh front row after 55mins too with the bench! Would have been good to see Sanjay as he loves the hit-ups and counter attack. Will be good to see the young boys put their hands up! Hope Sheedy gets a run top drawer for my Bears! Here's to a good game & ENG win
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26/11/2020 12:57:15 9 4
bbc
Why Elias??? England will have there own ball + ours's?? Dee should have been picked.
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26/11/2020 12:49:50 10 13
bbc
Let's hope the officials catch underhill offside this week, I don't think he ever managed to stay onside last week, but the officials never penalised him. Mystery. Hope penalty machine itoje keeps up his penalty count and the officials catch farrel with his illegal no arms tackling. Wales big underdogs, if Wales lose, let's hope the opponents play fair.
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26/11/2020 12:58:34 9 8
bbc
Just how many chips do you have on your shoulder?

There is a referee that determines who is playing fair and he has 3 assistants and a host of cameras to assist him.
But I'm sure your view is more accurate since they're clearly biased, whereas you are completely neutral.
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26/11/2020 13:07:00 1 4
bbc
Mate, you common knowladge that England play very very close to the offside line.
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26/11/2020 15:03:06 1 1
bbc
He's got a point about offside. I'm English and we lived offside all game. Mind you it's only the same as all the other teams (apart from Italy). It's killing the game. Get em onside and give them room to play.
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26/11/2020 12:12:51 5 2
bbc
Given the injury list, one or two regulars 'out-of-form' and most of the Dragons contingent on lockdown due to Covid, that is as good as it gets. Pleased for some of the guys getting a second chance. However, I do think it is going to be a long, hard day at the office. I expect to see a lot of changes for the six nations.
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26/11/2020 12:58:35 1 0
bbc
Yes, tbh Ollie Griffiths one of the best forwards Dragons/Wales have if you look at the stats, how much unluckier can he get. Just have to feel that he will be one of those that never make it for whatever reason. Despite recent seasons, still think there's the same blinkers that have always been there to an extent.
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26/11/2020 14:10:33 1 0
bbc
Ollie Griffith's does not play enough games, he is very injury prone sadly
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26/11/2020 12:55:19 5 4
bbc
I know we have many injuries but Pivac could pick his nose. Back row looks canon fodder.
Wales 9 England 48
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26/11/2020 12:59:02 3 2
bbc
So who else could he pick? This is the best team he could have chosen
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26/11/2020 13:29:45 4 1
bbc
Exactly. Too many people comment on here without knowing the latest squad news. Surprised there aren't calls for Hook, Scott Gibbs and Shane Williams.
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26/11/2020 12:42:15 3 1
bbc
Not really sure we had too many options in back row, think faletau is struggling atm as well, just hope the youngsters can hold up! Glad weve gone with lloyd at 9 for speed of getting the ball away! Also shame Liam is injured but at least HP is reliable! I think I might of started speedy at 10 with biggar coming on hopefully with us near as a finisher!! Just hope it's not a hammering
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26/11/2020 13:00:07 2 1
bbc
Felatau is playing exceptionally well, he has dig ball out of retreating mauls and scrums every game. Wales have no platform. We have lots of options in the back row ahead of the 2 selected. England should win by 15 points at least unless they have a nightmare under a swirling high ball.
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26/11/2020 12:48:28 0 3
bbc
I think people are not convinced with the back row and 9 choice
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26/11/2020 13:01:04 2 0
bbc
9 choice? Webb is out of form, Davis too. For me, Williams is the only logiclal choice. We havnt the strenght in depth to be picky. Sad but true
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26/11/2020 15:39:31 0 0
bbc
Wind Eddie up and cap Harry Randall, be a cracking partnership with his buddy from Brizzle Sheedy
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26/11/2020 12:45:15 8 4
bbc
All for flooding new talent, but this is a big ask for Botham & SLH. Wainwright & Cubby may have been a safer bet.
But this is a game that we don't expect much from, so it's worth a shot I guess.
A lot of the selection is down to injuries, but can't get my head around Elias being in and Parry not even on the bench.
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26/11/2020 13:04:44 5 5
bbc
Hey flex not sure why Beard is not in the squad! Hes playing well for the ospreys atm! So as far as I'm aware hes match fit which may not be the case for a couple of the locks! Hes also a menace in the mail a bit in the charteris mode!
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26/11/2020 13:49:12 1 1
bbc
Would have him in squad ahead of Hill if I'm honest. Hill lacks the physicality of a modern lock. Ball and AWJ would be my 1st choice, but long term I think that Beard, Seb & Rowlands should be in the squad for development.
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26/11/2020 12:58:34 9 8
bbc
Just how many chips do you have on your shoulder?

There is a referee that determines who is playing fair and he has 3 assistants and a host of cameras to assist him.
But I'm sure your view is more accurate since they're clearly biased, whereas you are completely neutral.
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26/11/2020 13:07:00 1 4
bbc
Mate, you common knowladge that England play very very close to the offside line.
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26/11/2020 13:22:46 2 1
bbc
Which of course is perfectly legal, and in fact very good play. You just don't want to cross it.
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26/11/2020 12:30:22 11 10
bbc
Quick quiz welsh fans!

?? Pivac leads wales to France

?? Gone at 2 year contract break
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26/11/2020 13:10:21 1 1
bbc
If we start to show improvements then yes fine, but ill give him to next summer and if we still look clueless and another 5th in 6N then he has to go.
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26/11/2020 13:11:01 15 2
bbc
Torrid afternoon in store for backrow if front 5 don't go well. Please let Faletau be back to his best. Webb on the bench.... hard to believe! what on earth was he doing when he came on against Georgia. Lets hope Lloyd does at least 70 mins
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26/11/2020 13:25:29 14 1
bbc
Agreed - just because you score a try doesn't make it a good performance. Aimless kicking from Webb & lacks pace
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26/11/2020 14:20:40 0 1
bbc
er...scored a try!
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26/11/2020 12:49:50 10 13
bbc
Let's hope the officials catch underhill offside this week, I don't think he ever managed to stay onside last week, but the officials never penalised him. Mystery. Hope penalty machine itoje keeps up his penalty count and the officials catch farrel with his illegal no arms tackling. Wales big underdogs, if Wales lose, let's hope the opponents play fair.
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26/11/2020 13:12:02 7 4
bbc
Not sure why you are having a pop at officials when AWJ is under the impression that he referees every game he plays. ??
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26/11/2020 13:18:50 2 0
bbc
Every captain speaks to the ref. Its Biggar whos the pain the back side
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26/11/2020 13:12:27 13 2
bbc
Some very clueless comments on here. Should Pivac play injured players? Should he just accept that the welsh public knows more than he does? Get a grip people and support the team please
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26/11/2020 13:17:22 3 2
bbc
Personally I would have selected Rowlands instead of AWJ...Wales need to look to the future....ditto the half backs....think they should have chosen Hardy and Sheedy....England look to be at full strength and our bench is very strong....could be a long day for Wales....but you never know...enjoy everyone
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26/11/2020 13:23:08 4 1
bbc
I think Rowlands could be the successor to AWJ but Ball provides a bit more forward momentum.
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26/11/2020 13:12:02 7 4
bbc
Not sure why you are having a pop at officials when AWJ is under the impression that he referees every game he plays. ??
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26/11/2020 13:18:50 2 0
bbc
Every captain speaks to the ref. Its Biggar whos the pain the back side
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26/11/2020 12:45:45 5 1
bbc
Both flankers have this opportunity to force their way in permanently

Tips is brilliant but is 31, Moriarty injury prone, Navidi is outstanding and my dark horse for the Lions so Saturday is a great opportunity for the Blues boys to show what they can do
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26/11/2020 13:19:51 2 0
bbc
Navidi is class but I'd go for Willis as the dark horse backrower for the Lions, even though he's not yet starting for England.
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26/11/2020 15:42:06 2 0
bbc
Why not both ? Navidi and Willis can play 6 or 7, confuse the Boks and get them to play left & right, like John Jefferey and Findlay Calder used to...
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26/11/2020 13:07:00 1 4
bbc
Mate, you common knowladge that England play very very close to the offside line.
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26/11/2020 13:22:46 2 1
bbc
Which of course is perfectly legal, and in fact very good play. You just don't want to cross it.
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26/11/2020 13:17:22 3 2
bbc
Personally I would have selected Rowlands instead of AWJ...Wales need to look to the future....ditto the half backs....think they should have chosen Hardy and Sheedy....England look to be at full strength and our bench is very strong....could be a long day for Wales....but you never know...enjoy everyone
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26/11/2020 13:23:08 4 1
bbc
I think Rowlands could be the successor to AWJ but Ball provides a bit more forward momentum.
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26/11/2020 13:28:15 2 0
bbc
totally agree...I think AWJ's time is up hence I would play Ball and Rowlands....now that would give you some size...
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26/11/2020 13:23:31 1 4
bbc
Botham will have a tough time as will Elias. Not up to this level
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26/11/2020 13:24:28 4 4
bbc
Pivac out, Shaun Edwards in.
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26/11/2020 13:33:08 5 0
bbc
Why would you leave France at this moment in time with a squad like that all of which are pretty much under the age of 25?

Lets face it, we all know Shaun Edwards is basically running that team anyway... The WRFU shot themselves in the foot not handing the best defensive coach in world rugby a 4 year contract. Cannot see him returning...
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26/11/2020 13:11:01 15 2
bbc
Torrid afternoon in store for backrow if front 5 don't go well. Please let Faletau be back to his best. Webb on the bench.... hard to believe! what on earth was he doing when he came on against Georgia. Lets hope Lloyd does at least 70 mins
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26/11/2020 13:25:29 14 1
bbc
Agreed - just because you score a try doesn't make it a good performance. Aimless kicking from Webb & lacks pace
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26/11/2020 15:55:49 2 0
bbc
Seems to have put on a lot of excess weight ...home cooking, perhaps instead of the Mediterranean diet!