Union backlash over public sector pay freeze
26/11/2020 | news | business | 363
Leaders of Britain's biggest unions vow to resist chancellor's freeze on workers who "risked everything".
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jon
26/11/2020 10:33:56 47 14
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If we can’t afford a pay rise for public sector workers we should not be sending aid oversea.
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26/11/2020 10:37:56 28 44
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Overseas aid promotes investment opportunities for the UK.

The trouble is that the government don't want to pay for meals for starving kids in the UK but do want to spend £15bn on defence. The money is there for the priority areas of the hard-right.
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26/11/2020 11:05:51 6 2
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The point is we can't afford either.
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26/11/2020 11:13:18 3 2
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Wow, really got me with that one. I don't want pay rises public sectors workers or foreign aid.
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26/11/2020 11:11:52 3 1
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I wouldn't mind overseas aid so much if it was ultimately spent on JLR cars rather than Mercedes Benz.
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26/11/2020 12:51:31 3 0
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We don't need a pay rise... Its usual British hard-done-by-ness demanding one every year.
I'm happy to help the worlds most in need. But i'm not bothered by my spoiled colleagues who wouldn't last a day in a private sector job.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:33:56 47 14
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If we can’t afford a pay rise for public sector workers we should not be sending aid oversea.
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26/11/2020 10:37:56 28 44
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Overseas aid promotes investment opportunities for the UK.

The trouble is that the government don't want to pay for meals for starving kids in the UK but do want to spend £15bn on defence. The money is there for the priority areas of the hard-right.
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26/11/2020 10:54:58 22 5
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we need a strong defence more now than ever !! so your comments are stupid..
We can feed kids, but why are they not being fed by their parents ? they all get benefits if not working, my parents were not rich, but I always had a meal. Potatoes don't cost much.. Need to understand the root cause rather than just moan about starving kids
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26/11/2020 11:03:26 4 2
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Otherwise known as the same cronyism you criticise the gov for

Just scratching some ones back some where
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26/11/2020 11:15:56 10 3
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All responsibility cannot be shifted onto the Government (tax payers). It's a question of priorities for some, latest phone or meals for the children. Don't have kids if you cannot look after them.
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26/11/2020 12:29:27 2 0
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Who pray are the ‘hard-right?’
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26/11/2020 10:38:01 4 18
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I think Rishi has missed a trick. Instead of freezing public sector pay, why doesn't he give an increase of say a minimal 0.001%. This can be presented politically as a modest increase rather than a pay freeze. As an employer myself I know that what is important is the message is sends - we value you, and give this pay rise in recognition of that, but this is all we can afford at the moment.
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26/11/2020 10:45:57 9 1
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utter nonsense. That would infuriate them!!
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26/11/2020 10:49:42 3 1
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I had a boss that did that once. Then the following year tried to count an increase to the minimum wage as a pay rise for all staff. Spectacularly backfired.
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26/11/2020 10:55:37 3 3
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You value your employees with a 0.001% rise. The original Mr Scrooge
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26/11/2020 10:39:51 28 16
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Of course there isn't money for the public sector workers. Don't they know this money is much better spent on the HS2 vanity project no one wants, and awarding billions in contracts to people with no experience or expertise just because they're mates with senior govt figures and the ERG?

How selfish of people, not wanting all our money to go to the right-wing, Tory elite!
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26/11/2020 10:48:33 17 12
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Contractors with tory connections were 10 times more likely to receive a contract for PPE than those that had no connection. If that doesnt reek of corruption I dont know what does
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26/11/2020 12:33:29 1 1
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How I wish the govt was ‘right-wing’ and ‘conservative.’
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26/11/2020 10:40:02 18 14
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The public sector runs this country, not the government. They civil service is seen as a bunch of bureaucrats that get nothing done. This is incorrect. They pay your benefits, they manage your taxes, they issue your passports. They have been non-stop through the pandemic along with the NHS and police. A pay freeze is a slap in the face by the government they serve.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:46:14 14 8
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Civil servants have been very disruptive in the Home Office.
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26/11/2020 10:47:37 4 7
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Spot on, after working since day one of the pandemic and going into the office most days and im exhausted. Yes I know lots of people have lost their job and we should be grateful that we still have work but why should we be punished after doing the work that is needed to keep what services we have left afloat.

Its a bit of a slap in the face.
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26/11/2020 10:57:21 7 1
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What comes first, the public servants or the people in the economy working, generating wealth to actually employ them ?
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26/11/2020 11:55:49 0 1
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Whilst having sympathy with some in the civil service, the statement that they have all been non-stop during the pandemic is nonsense. Any one else tried to get a passport, speak to the tax-office since March. Nigh on impossible as they are all busy working from home supposedly. I hardly call a pay freeze a slap in the face. I've not had a pay rise in over 5 years & took a pay cut in May. Get real
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26/11/2020 10:43:51 7 10
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COVID, brexit, and public sector strikes.
A triple whammy
How long can this shower retain control before boris gets the axe I wonder.
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26/11/2020 10:44:21 64 13
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These union leaders don’t live in the real world. Thousands of private sector employees (many of which are in low income jobs) are seriously at risk of losing their jobs due to an impending collapse in the economy once the furlough scheme ends yet all the greedy unions will cause disruption whilst attempting to score political points.
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26/11/2020 10:47:42 26 26
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If it's so cushy in the public sector then just change jobs.
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26/11/2020 10:48:45 2 12
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You say that Steve, but DWP alone is taking on thousands of new staff at low pay grades.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a raise that meets inflation, otherwise it's a rolling pay cut. The public sector runs this country, not the government, they need the civil service more than the civil service needs the government.
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26/11/2020 10:52:10 3 14
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So the public sector should be published because the private sector weren't able to deal with the pandemic?

how is that fair?
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26/11/2020 11:23:16 1 0
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"Thousands of private sector employees (many of which are in low income jobs) are seriously at risk of losing their jobs"

Maybe that's a bad thing too...
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26/11/2020 10:38:01 4 18
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I think Rishi has missed a trick. Instead of freezing public sector pay, why doesn't he give an increase of say a minimal 0.001%. This can be presented politically as a modest increase rather than a pay freeze. As an employer myself I know that what is important is the message is sends - we value you, and give this pay rise in recognition of that, but this is all we can afford at the moment.
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26/11/2020 10:45:57 9 1
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utter nonsense. That would infuriate them!!
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26/11/2020 10:40:02 18 14
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The public sector runs this country, not the government. They civil service is seen as a bunch of bureaucrats that get nothing done. This is incorrect. They pay your benefits, they manage your taxes, they issue your passports. They have been non-stop through the pandemic along with the NHS and police. A pay freeze is a slap in the face by the government they serve.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:46:14 14 8
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Civil servants have been very disruptive in the Home Office.
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26/11/2020 10:53:19 4 3
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Yes, how dare they complain of being bullied by their manager who lost her last job in the cabinet for what could be considered treasonous behaviour....
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26/11/2020 11:00:03 1 4
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No, they haven't. You just believe your Tory overlords.
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26/11/2020 10:54:37 1 2
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probably due to bullying
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26/11/2020 10:59:06 5 1
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Yes. The Patel bullying report also points out the civil servants behavior was far from exemplary too!
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26/11/2020 10:40:02 18 14
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The public sector runs this country, not the government. They civil service is seen as a bunch of bureaucrats that get nothing done. This is incorrect. They pay your benefits, they manage your taxes, they issue your passports. They have been non-stop through the pandemic along with the NHS and police. A pay freeze is a slap in the face by the government they serve.
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26/11/2020 10:47:37 4 7
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Spot on, after working since day one of the pandemic and going into the office most days and im exhausted. Yes I know lots of people have lost their job and we should be grateful that we still have work but why should we be punished after doing the work that is needed to keep what services we have left afloat.

Its a bit of a slap in the face.
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26/11/2020 10:44:21 64 13
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These union leaders don’t live in the real world. Thousands of private sector employees (many of which are in low income jobs) are seriously at risk of losing their jobs due to an impending collapse in the economy once the furlough scheme ends yet all the greedy unions will cause disruption whilst attempting to score political points.
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26/11/2020 10:47:42 26 26
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If it's so cushy in the public sector then just change jobs.
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26/11/2020 11:00:15 9 2
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If it is so tough in the public sector then leave to get a job in industry. If you can find an industry that will employ ex public service employees!
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:13:09 0 3
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I don't know anybody there that could use some nepotism to get me a job.
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26/11/2020 13:32:26 1 2
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They won't do that - salaries in the public sector in like-for-like occupations will almost always be lower than in the private sector. And over a working lifetime, a public sector employee has zero prospect of benefiting from the kind of tax reduction ploys open to the self employed contractors/consultants on this HYS who are berating public sector workers.
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26/11/2020 10:47:47 2 3
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.... give 'em a pay rise on the basis that in many cases approx half immediately comes back as tax & NI ....... if the balance is spent on council tax increases, more duty on beer, fags and petrol, then most flows back into the treasury coffers ........
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:35:30 0 0
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Which is where it comes from in the first place, it's put there by the private sector.
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26/11/2020 10:48:08 5 6
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Working along as usual while others are paid to sit at home in their pyjamas making banana bread on zoom. What a wonderful way to show your gratitude.
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26/11/2020 10:59:02 5 1
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Wrong. Endless job applications and interviews --- all over zoom. Oh whilst my self employed other half lost all her income over night. Also paying for my kids halls of residence fees and being told all lessons moving online. Some industries seem more protected than others. 53 now and worked since 16 without a break, this has been a sobering experience. We are not all making banana bread.
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26/11/2020 10:39:51 28 16
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Of course there isn't money for the public sector workers. Don't they know this money is much better spent on the HS2 vanity project no one wants, and awarding billions in contracts to people with no experience or expertise just because they're mates with senior govt figures and the ERG?

How selfish of people, not wanting all our money to go to the right-wing, Tory elite!
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26/11/2020 10:48:33 17 12
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Contractors with tory connections were 10 times more likely to receive a contract for PPE than those that had no connection. If that doesnt reek of corruption I dont know what does
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26/11/2020 10:57:53 5 4
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Because, believe it or not, businessmen and women run companies. Not student activists or shop stewards! Business owners are far more likely to be Conservative supporters.
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26/11/2020 11:16:53 3 2
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Standard Momentum post.
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26/11/2020 10:44:21 64 13
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These union leaders don’t live in the real world. Thousands of private sector employees (many of which are in low income jobs) are seriously at risk of losing their jobs due to an impending collapse in the economy once the furlough scheme ends yet all the greedy unions will cause disruption whilst attempting to score political points.
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26/11/2020 10:48:45 2 12
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You say that Steve, but DWP alone is taking on thousands of new staff at low pay grades.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a raise that meets inflation, otherwise it's a rolling pay cut. The public sector runs this country, not the government, they need the civil service more than the civil service needs the government.
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26/11/2020 10:48:57 32 10
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Be thankful you have a job, there are swathes of those in the private sector who no longer have one and who paid the tax to fund your job. I read a comment on HYS about Arthur Scargill that struck a cord, he was once a man in a small house who headed a big union then he had a big house and a small union.
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26/11/2020 10:50:45 18 25
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Utter nonsense. Public workers pay tax too. You forget the cost of furlough.
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26/11/2020 11:19:29 5 1
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I'm a public sector worker (NHS Nurse) and I would glady give up any pay rise and have the money put towards saving jobs where people at risk of losing them. Nursing has been horrible since March and I did get covid from work, it wasn't nice. But at the end of the day I didn't have to worry about a job loss. I think Nurses would be happier if the NMC cut the yearly fee of £120 for our pin number,
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Rab
26/11/2020 10:49:17 19 6
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So if there is to be a pay freeze I assume that the pay rise for MPs will not now go through. They are hardly 'essential workers'.
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26/11/2020 20:51:16 0 0
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The latest Tory inspired UK divide and conquer strategy. We now have
Public v Private Sector, to go alongside:
Left v Right
Brexit v Remain
North v South.
Clever those Tories aren't they? Get the British workforce fighting each other, takes our attention away from what the Cabinet is getting up to.
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26/11/2020 10:38:01 4 18
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I think Rishi has missed a trick. Instead of freezing public sector pay, why doesn't he give an increase of say a minimal 0.001%. This can be presented politically as a modest increase rather than a pay freeze. As an employer myself I know that what is important is the message is sends - we value you, and give this pay rise in recognition of that, but this is all we can afford at the moment.
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26/11/2020 10:49:42 3 1
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I had a boss that did that once. Then the following year tried to count an increase to the minimum wage as a pay rise for all staff. Spectacularly backfired.
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26/11/2020 10:48:57 32 10
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Be thankful you have a job, there are swathes of those in the private sector who no longer have one and who paid the tax to fund your job. I read a comment on HYS about Arthur Scargill that struck a cord, he was once a man in a small house who headed a big union then he had a big house and a small union.
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26/11/2020 10:50:45 18 25
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Utter nonsense. Public workers pay tax too. You forget the cost of furlough.
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26/11/2020 10:56:31 16 2
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And where did the money come from to pay that tax in the first place ?

Correct, the private sector. The public sector doesn't generate wealth, it spends it.
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26/11/2020 11:01:28 8 1
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No. Public workers pay back a little bit of the tax money that the rest of us generate to fund them. They lower the tax burden a bit, not contribute to it.
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:16:15 2 0
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The money to "pay" public sector workers comes from tax, then they give a bit back.
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26/11/2020 10:52:02 110 40
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What is wrong with the public sector? we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago. We did not cause this pandemic. The public sector have to take their share of the pain. Their behaviour is little short of disgusting.
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26/11/2020 10:59:37 102 21
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I suspect a good chunk of public sector staff would accept the situation & understand

It's the Unions which are the problem
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26/11/2020 11:05:02 13 21
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And here is the root cause of the problem. You see the public sector as the enemy, an emotional comment to fire up public sector workers who will see you as the enemy.

And no one is looking at the government which has shafted all but the richest people in the country for the last decade. Our issue is not with each other it is with a decade of austerity which has done nothing for this country.
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26/11/2020 11:18:50 3 3
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No one is objecting to share the pain of pay back, just do it fairly across society. Tax everybody not just portions of society. This is no ones fault. The money being borrowed is for everyone, why should public sectors (including the scientist getting us out of this mess) solely fit the bill?
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26/11/2020 11:21:26 7 11
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"we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago."

Those aren't...good things. You do realise that right? That's not an example to follow.
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26/11/2020 11:49:10 7 12
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So the public sector should be punished for the private sectors greed and inability to have systems in place to deal with issues like these?

Ridiculous...
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26/11/2020 12:08:32 7 13
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Nick

What is wrong with the public sector? we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago

Why do you think you lost your pensions why do you think you have no power? You listened to the propaganda of the Tories. You read Tory papers. The Tories took that power and representation from you. Yet you still vote for them.
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26/11/2020 12:09:08 7 11
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Nothing wrong with the public sector, it's the private sector that is the parasite. For some reason, all businesses seem to think they should be bailed out when they're not making the profits they expected. They want all the benefits of raking in the cash without the risk that is inherent in any commercial financial venture. Private sector hypocrites happy to take public sector (i.e. Govt) money.
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26/11/2020 12:09:28 2 1
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And your comment is laughable nikki - funny world eh.
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26/11/2020 12:22:41 2 3
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The private sector never strikes eh? In 2018 the private sector broke its record for number of strike days; http://hrnews.co.uk/private-sector-strike-days-hits-highest-level-in-over-twenty-years-346000-in-last-year/

stop playing the victim mate
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26/11/2020 12:23:43 1 0
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It’s not ‘a little short’ Nick, it is disgusting.
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26/11/2020 12:38:20 5 2
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Well said!
I work for the NHS and I'm sick of people going on about pay! Unions telling me I don't earn enough!
I came from hard grafting work with 0 hour contracts and even holiday paid out of my wage. My co workers don't know how good they have it in comparison.

Spoilt comes to mind!
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26/11/2020 12:50:00 3 1
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'We never go on strike & have had our pensions destroyed & have been shafted'

These things might be connected
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26/11/2020 12:47:22 0 2
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Typical quitling comment. Disgusting.
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26/11/2020 17:05:18 0 0
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The public sector never caused this pandemic either!!!!!
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26/11/2020 10:44:21 64 13
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These union leaders don’t live in the real world. Thousands of private sector employees (many of which are in low income jobs) are seriously at risk of losing their jobs due to an impending collapse in the economy once the furlough scheme ends yet all the greedy unions will cause disruption whilst attempting to score political points.
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26/11/2020 10:52:10 3 14
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So the public sector should be published because the private sector weren't able to deal with the pandemic?

how is that fair?
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:13:47 1 1
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If the private hadn't been shut down in a massive over-reaction to the flu, you might have a point.
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26/11/2020 10:52:43 5 2
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Yet the MPs are doing rather well with their annual pay rise well above inflation.
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26/11/2020 10:59:25 4 0
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And I would bin that as well.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:46:14 14 8
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Civil servants have been very disruptive in the Home Office.
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26/11/2020 10:53:19 4 3
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Yes, how dare they complain of being bullied by their manager who lost her last job in the cabinet for what could be considered treasonous behaviour....
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26/11/2020 10:53:43 27 2
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You expect Unions to do this. Arent they paid out of their members contributions ? They wont suffer financial hardship. Wonder if they will take a pay freeze, cut or redundancy ? Public sector workers arent looking over their shoulders, selling houses, rinsing savings and on UC.
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26/11/2020 11:39:18 14 9
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Because many public sector workers are still working front line through the pandemic
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26/11/2020 14:09:27 0 0
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Large numbers of Public Sector workers get UC.
Please check facts.
Admin Assistants were virtually done away with across the Civil Service because their wages were too close to the National Minimum Wage.
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26/11/2020 10:37:56 28 44
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Overseas aid promotes investment opportunities for the UK.

The trouble is that the government don't want to pay for meals for starving kids in the UK but do want to spend £15bn on defence. The money is there for the priority areas of the hard-right.
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26/11/2020 10:54:58 22 5
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we need a strong defence more now than ever !! so your comments are stupid..
We can feed kids, but why are they not being fed by their parents ? they all get benefits if not working, my parents were not rich, but I always had a meal. Potatoes don't cost much.. Need to understand the root cause rather than just moan about starving kids
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26/11/2020 13:14:15 0 4
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Wow, and there's your problem right there. Comparing every family and their situation to your experience of growing up. Thinking that your situation when you were growing was the worse. In fact there are many in much worse situations like this, research equity over equality and you may understand.
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26/11/2020 10:38:01 4 18
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I think Rishi has missed a trick. Instead of freezing public sector pay, why doesn't he give an increase of say a minimal 0.001%. This can be presented politically as a modest increase rather than a pay freeze. As an employer myself I know that what is important is the message is sends - we value you, and give this pay rise in recognition of that, but this is all we can afford at the moment.
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26/11/2020 10:55:37 3 3
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You value your employees with a 0.001% rise. The original Mr Scrooge
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26/11/2020 10:55:45 9 1
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No pay cuts for public sector union staff I suspect.

Look around, lowest paid PS workers getting a rise, large swathes of private sector now depending on handouts, in Wales PS is 30% of workforce and growing.
If not borrowing more then tax receipts need to pay for these services, so services cut as pay rise comes out of it, more people requiring handouts.
Choices?
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26/11/2020 10:50:45 18 25
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Utter nonsense. Public workers pay tax too. You forget the cost of furlough.
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26/11/2020 10:56:31 16 2
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And where did the money come from to pay that tax in the first place ?

Correct, the private sector. The public sector doesn't generate wealth, it spends it.
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26/11/2020 11:09:39 1 6
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And what do you think would happen to your taxes if there was no public sector? How would anything get done. It wouldn’t. Stop pointing the finger at the public sector and look at the government that has caused this absolute mess.
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26/11/2020 10:40:02 18 14
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The public sector runs this country, not the government. They civil service is seen as a bunch of bureaucrats that get nothing done. This is incorrect. They pay your benefits, they manage your taxes, they issue your passports. They have been non-stop through the pandemic along with the NHS and police. A pay freeze is a slap in the face by the government they serve.
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26/11/2020 10:57:21 7 1
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What comes first, the public servants or the people in the economy working, generating wealth to actually employ them ?
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26/11/2020 10:57:50 23 10
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It is about time a lot of these people actually worked. And for the significant number of public servants who have not been furloughed and been on extended holiday with very low productivity since April I suggest they keep there heads down before someone works out we have not missed them .
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26/11/2020 11:07:18 5 13
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Truly ignorance, not much bliss.
A typical ignorant right wing attack on government workers - and why? Because we are drilled in this response by the Tory papers to create a demand for privatisation.

I remember when every paper carried jokes about British Rail. Went on for years sniping away and chipping confidence. So when privatisation came there was less resistance. Total mess up.
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26/11/2020 11:13:21 2 3
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Baseless comment. How on earth could you possibly claim to know how productive a ‘significant number of public servants’ are unless you were a direct supervisor to this significant number. Move on and stir up a different pot. Right wing shill.
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26/11/2020 11:14:13 2 4
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Most public sector workers have worked 100%, done more hours, been "reallocated" where there was help needed to provide support to communities and business etc. with Covid grants and support etc. Don't believe what you read in the tory dominated press.
Get it right....
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26/11/2020 14:14:34 0 1
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Ignorance is bliss, ignorance of how the public sector works shines through your comment. I hope the bliss remains when public servants cease to keep the drains clean.
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26/11/2020 10:58:28 5 9
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The public sector has lost thousands of jobs too. 20000 police for a start, so many tax inspectors all these Covid fiddlers are untouchable, probation staff, local government staff, with many transferred to the private sector with loss of wages and pensions.

They had an 8 year pay freeze.

Here we suffer grief and pain, over the road it’s just the same.
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26/11/2020 11:11:14 2 1
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Exactly, but look at these comments. Private sector workers pointing the finger at public sector workers as if we are the enemy, as if we caused this, after declining wages and savage cuts over the last decade here we stand painting each other as the enemy whilst the government sits up there laughing as we fight amongst ourselves. Wake up people!!
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26/11/2020 11:04:22 0 0
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The police cuts were mostly through not replacing those who retired, were sacked or left. Not redundancies
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26/11/2020 10:48:08 5 6
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Working along as usual while others are paid to sit at home in their pyjamas making banana bread on zoom. What a wonderful way to show your gratitude.
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26/11/2020 10:59:02 5 1
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Wrong. Endless job applications and interviews --- all over zoom. Oh whilst my self employed other half lost all her income over night. Also paying for my kids halls of residence fees and being told all lessons moving online. Some industries seem more protected than others. 53 now and worked since 16 without a break, this has been a sobering experience. We are not all making banana bread.
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26/11/2020 10:50:06 3 3
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Perhaps we need the same independent body who gave the MPs a pay rise...
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26/11/2020 10:52:43 5 2
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Yet the MPs are doing rather well with their annual pay rise well above inflation.
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26/11/2020 10:59:25 4 0
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And I would bin that as well.
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26/11/2020 11:10:16 0 0
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We all would. But they won't, and that's the problem
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26/11/2020 10:52:02 110 40
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What is wrong with the public sector? we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago. We did not cause this pandemic. The public sector have to take their share of the pain. Their behaviour is little short of disgusting.
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26/11/2020 10:59:37 102 21
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I suspect a good chunk of public sector staff would accept the situation & understand

It's the Unions which are the problem
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26/11/2020 12:14:21 4 6
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Its not the unions that are the problem

People go one about the Boomers and all the supposed wealth they had. This is because they had union representatives who stood up them, who got better working conditions for them

The Tories have rolled back those gains that Unions got for us. Yet you listen to the Tories they’re not your friends. Despite their platitudes and smiles. You don’t see the knife
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26/11/2020 12:16:52 3 0
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It's the only way they get any attention in a desperate attempt to look relevant.
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26/11/2020 12:50:25 1 1
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Just for a second, imagine you had a spine
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26/11/2020 13:26:42 2 0
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Yes, flipping Unions standing up for people's rights and improving their pay/ conditions.Give Dr Pelling's A History of British Trade Unionism a read and then you'll know how bleak the workplace would be for many had Unions not protected workers as they have.Trade Unionism is not all about militant,anti establishment hard Left Communism you know-don't believe all you read in the Express and Mail.
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26/11/2020 22:57:55 0 0
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Unions only exist because people join them, so really you are blaming the people, not this magic 70s word "Unions".

I work for the NHS, we dont need a pay rise. People just expect it because we're public sector. I get 1/8th of my shift for lunch its that bad! Dont give them a penny more!
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jon
26/11/2020 10:46:14 14 8
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Civil servants have been very disruptive in the Home Office.
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26/11/2020 11:00:03 1 4
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No, they haven't. You just believe your Tory overlords.
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26/11/2020 10:53:54 29 6
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Of course union backlash, they want every tax payer to pay for them, unions ever thought of reducing their affiliation fees, no don’t think so, if they reduce their take from the workers how are they going to pay for Sir Starmers Labour Party by the way as you know Sir Starmer Is the working class hero lives in London was a lawyer, and of course a knight of the realm yep real working class hero.
Cillit Bang is not for drinking. Removed
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26/11/2020 12:32:00 1 1
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And lived and went to public school in the poshest area of Surrey, dad was a multimillionaire to boot
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26/11/2020 14:11:37 0 0
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Unions don't just cover the Public Sector, they also cover Private sector workers.
Civil and other Public Servants pay PAYE, NI and 6% pension contributions exactly the same as the Private sector.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:46:14 14 8
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Civil servants have been very disruptive in the Home Office.
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26/11/2020 10:54:37 1 2
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probably due to bullying
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26/11/2020 10:54:47 51 9
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Union backlash, wonder how much union officials are getting and how much their pay increases
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26/11/2020 11:22:13 18 17
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Does that matter? Did you ask about Rashford's contract when he spoke for feeding British kids?
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26/11/2020 13:28:05 0 0
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I don't know. Do you?
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26/11/2020 14:04:56 0 1
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The majority of union officials are in non paid roles.
Unions take care of thousands and in some cases millions of members.
In some peoples world their leaders should be doing it for the same wage as their members.
Like to see the Directors of medium to large companies with similar workloads taking an ordinary worker's wage.
Lets just keep 80% of wealth in the hands of 5% of the population?
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26/11/2020 10:48:33 17 12
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Contractors with tory connections were 10 times more likely to receive a contract for PPE than those that had no connection. If that doesnt reek of corruption I dont know what does
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26/11/2020 10:57:53 5 4
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Because, believe it or not, businessmen and women run companies. Not student activists or shop stewards! Business owners are far more likely to be Conservative supporters.
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26/11/2020 11:01:07 8 4
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perhaps we need an iNdependent BBC
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26/11/2020 11:03:17 5 0
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It will be soon when it has to raise its own money and not get it from the draconian, anachronistic and widely reviled telly tax!
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26/11/2020 10:57:53 3 4
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Why doesn't he just tax on-line shopping and give public sector pay workers a rise. Amazon and others have made a mint out of Coronavirus
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jon
26/11/2020 10:46:14 14 8
bbc
Civil servants have been very disruptive in the Home Office.
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26/11/2020 10:59:06 5 1
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Yes. The Patel bullying report also points out the civil servants behavior was far from exemplary too!
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26/11/2020 12:42:15 0 0
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How do you expect them to behave when they're abused from the top down?
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26/11/2020 10:47:42 26 26
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If it's so cushy in the public sector then just change jobs.
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26/11/2020 11:00:15 9 2
bbc
If it is so tough in the public sector then leave to get a job in industry. If you can find an industry that will employ ex public service employees!
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26/11/2020 12:01:21 6 5
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"If you can find an industry that will employ ex public service employees!"

Ah yes, all these unskilled public sector workers... i dont think you live in reality. I work in the public sector in a part of the service where we all have a degree minimum and do a lot of data work, it would be a doddle finding work elsewhere, I just prefer working here as the work appears to actually matter
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26/11/2020 11:03:19 64 8
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Union backlash over public sector pay freeze...They can moan al they want but everyone is suffering pain and misery during this pandemic. We have huge debts from Government borrowing to pay back and we don't have money trees. We are in this together and that includes the public sector.
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26/11/2020 11:15:32 18 28
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There must be money trees somewhere, HS2, nuclear power plants, increased military spending etc. After the banking crisis did the private sector fund the debt then? Thought not.
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26/11/2020 11:50:35 1 8
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Again... why should the public sector be punished for the failings of the private sector
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26/11/2020 12:39:44 0 3
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Those in the public sector are not asking for much, just not a pay cut every year. With inflation, that's what it amounts to. The public sector has kept the country going throughout the pandemic. The NHS has cared for people, police have had a tough job maintaining lockdowns, the civil service has been ensuring that the poorest people keep getting something.

Why should they be worse off?
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26/11/2020 10:37:56 28 44
bbc
Overseas aid promotes investment opportunities for the UK.

The trouble is that the government don't want to pay for meals for starving kids in the UK but do want to spend £15bn on defence. The money is there for the priority areas of the hard-right.
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26/11/2020 11:03:26 4 2
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Otherwise known as the same cronyism you criticise the gov for

Just scratching some ones back some where
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26/11/2020 11:04:07 96 19
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Well of course Unions are not going to be happy. What they going to do, go on strike during a national crisis? Many public sector workers have been on full pay throughout. Maybe think about those in the private sector and contractors. Myself, no work since March.
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26/11/2020 11:24:09 42 49
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"Many public sector workers have been on full pay throughout."

That is generally what happens when one continues to work.
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26/11/2020 11:37:32 12 4
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Unions and Momentum/Labour not letting a crisis go to waste, expects strikes ad infinitum in the hope it realises more votes as the Gov gets the blame.
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26/11/2020 13:33:57 2 4
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We are working , I am sitting at my laptop drinking a cup of coffee on full pay life is wonderful .I don't mind taking a pay freeze I only earn £52000 a year, any higher I will hit the high tax rate, roll on retirement.
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26/11/2020 13:36:17 10 3
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Agreed. Unions have an inherent jobsworth mentality. They have guaranteed incomes & pensions. They might be losing some income, but they've still got something coming in.
The self employed and private sectors have to make their own way. There is no armchair ride for them.
Everyone is affected by this wretched disease - some acutely more than others.
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26/11/2020 13:58:52 7 8
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They've been on full pay because they've been working full time to keep the services we all rely on going.
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26/11/2020 14:25:24 6 3
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And many more people have been sat at home doing nothing on furlough pay (i.e. taxpayers money) while some of us kept the country running and saved lives - often at great personal risk. Maybe those furloughed people could fund a public sector pay rise instead of expecting us to pay the rent with now-silent claps?!
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26/11/2020 15:01:58 2 10
bbc
I see the resident Tory Bot posted quite late in this HYS but miraculously gets the highest-rated comment! Don't suppose that had anything to the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine!

Public sector workers have been working to keep the UK going through this crisis; apparently they should have had some wages docked.

No need for pay freezes, Tories have been printing money since 2010 & gave it to the rich!
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26/11/2020 19:05:40 0 0
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This was bound to happen conservative divide and rule, but for those who do not understand or know most of the public sector has been restricted or frozen pay since 2010, the fact check shows private and public pay is about at the same level

and I agree with some posters, it is disgusting that people forget the little people have paid the most since 2008 world crash frozen pay and benefits
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26/11/2020 10:52:02 110 40
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What is wrong with the public sector? we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago. We did not cause this pandemic. The public sector have to take their share of the pain. Their behaviour is little short of disgusting.
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26/11/2020 11:05:02 13 21
bbc
And here is the root cause of the problem. You see the public sector as the enemy, an emotional comment to fire up public sector workers who will see you as the enemy.

And no one is looking at the government which has shafted all but the richest people in the country for the last decade. Our issue is not with each other it is with a decade of austerity which has done nothing for this country.
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26/11/2020 12:21:39 5 2
bbc
It is the pretense that you are somehow hard done to, despite the evidence to the contrary. Public sector pay is higher than private sector pay for similar roles, with better pension contributions and benefits.

The fact that you use "whataboutery" shows the paucity of your argument.

Sympathy will be thin amongst private sector employees, who have suffered more and whose taxes pay your wages.
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26/11/2020 11:05:48 24 8
bbc
Unions: Our members in secure public sector jobs and often significant benefits, want those working in the private sector in insecure jobs and often lower wages to pay for this.
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26/11/2020 20:45:34 0 0
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Is this the latest Tory inspired UK division? We now have Public v Private Sevtor to go along side:
Left v Right
Brexit v Remain
North v South
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jon
26/11/2020 10:33:56 47 14
bbc
If we can’t afford a pay rise for public sector workers we should not be sending aid oversea.
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26/11/2020 11:05:51 6 2
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The point is we can't afford either.
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26/11/2020 11:23:24 1 3
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Assuming ‘we’ means the government... I find it interesting that at best the measures undertaken have saved up to 200k lives (as estimated in March) at a cost of >£350bn. That’s £1.75m per life. Unprecedented spending when typically a life is valued at £100k in risk terms. Anyway, £1.75m per life, but £250 for key workers on low pay. Nothing for others. So in what sense can’t it be afforded?
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26/11/2020 11:06:04 0 12
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The usual Tories!

When you need more money target the low paid. Cut benefits or wages from those that can least afford it or can't fight back. Ignore the wealthy, after all they are your mates. Don't try and obtain tax from those fiddling or avoidance, it's too much work and too close to home. Blame the union's for having the audacity to suggest that people should have a living wage.
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26/11/2020 10:50:45 18 25
bbc
Utter nonsense. Public workers pay tax too. You forget the cost of furlough.
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26/11/2020 11:01:28 8 1
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No. Public workers pay back a little bit of the tax money that the rest of us generate to fund them. They lower the tax burden a bit, not contribute to it.
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26/11/2020 11:01:07 8 4
bbc
perhaps we need an iNdependent BBC
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26/11/2020 11:03:17 5 0
bbc
It will be soon when it has to raise its own money and not get it from the draconian, anachronistic and widely reviled telly tax!
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26/11/2020 11:03:44 34 7
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I'll sign up for a safe public sector job and the pay freeze right now. Most private sector people would do the same. The civil servants don't know how cushy they have it. I'm probably going to have to quit my self employment and try to get a proper job if the lockdowns and other restrictions continue disrupting my work activities.
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26/11/2020 11:40:22 12 10
bbc
not all public sector jobs are cushy....
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26/11/2020 13:59:07 2 0
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The key words in your post were 'I'm probably going to have to quit my self employment and try to get a proper job'. That says an awful lot!
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26/11/2020 16:39:33 0 0
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Go see how cushy a COVID ward is............
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26/11/2020 11:06:57 1 6
bbc
Will all the essential consultants who 'earn' tens of millions for making a few telephone calls to China have their payments cut? And will we see a decimation of payments made to friends of the Tory party for services rendered or favours repaid? Will the 'essential' infrastructure ego projects like HS2, Crossrail and various nuclear energy projects continue to drain scarce resources? Thought not.
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26/11/2020 12:31:46 0 0
bbc
If only the highly paid and highly incompetent NHS procurement managers and their archaic structures had been up to the job there would have been no need for any @Essential Consultant' would there. The Public sector have turned incompetence and arrogance into an art form, be it local or national employees. They have made a mockery of child services, NHS and many others by appointing socialists
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26/11/2020 11:07:15 5 9
bbc
Let me get this right.
When times are hard Public Sector is penalised as not on parity with Private Sector, yet when times are good, we don't get parity with Private Sector?
Factor in 10 years of pay freezes (effective cuts) and tweaks to pensions I reckon I am on at least 28% LESS than I would be if I had received inline with inflation rises for last 10 years or so.
I worked 100% through Covid.
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26/11/2020 11:19:03 1 3
bbc
Shhhh they won’t like this as it doesn’t fit in with their snowflake right wing agenda. Anything that goes against their medieval partisan views will trigger them.
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26/11/2020 11:20:32 4 0
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You are of the strange belief that private sector workers get pay rises. Come over and smell the coffee. We only get a pay rise if we change jobs/companies otherwise our pay never gets reviewed. My take home pay hasnt changed in 10 years but you expect a pay rise. what makes you so entitled and we arent?
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26/11/2020 12:31:13 0 0
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" tweaks to pensions ". Most firms in the private sector have had a lot more than tweaks, very few DB schemes are still in accrual. Mostly now MP schemes and the majority of those the minimum AE rates.
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:31:40 1 0
bbc
Your job exists becaue the private sector agrees to pay taxes to fund it.
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26/11/2020 10:57:50 23 10
bbc
It is about time a lot of these people actually worked. And for the significant number of public servants who have not been furloughed and been on extended holiday with very low productivity since April I suggest they keep there heads down before someone works out we have not missed them .
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26/11/2020 11:07:18 5 13
bbc
Truly ignorance, not much bliss.
A typical ignorant right wing attack on government workers - and why? Because we are drilled in this response by the Tory papers to create a demand for privatisation.

I remember when every paper carried jokes about British Rail. Went on for years sniping away and chipping confidence. So when privatisation came there was less resistance. Total mess up.
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26/11/2020 12:36:42 3 2
bbc
Do you remember British Rail ? The filthy carriages ? In London the ignorant staff who couldn’t be bothered to help?
Strikes by the dozen? It was a typical socialist nightmare.
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Rob
26/11/2020 11:07:35 25 5
bbc
What the Unions expect/ The Govt. has spent billions supporting people. we are broke! Typically selfish
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26/11/2020 20:42:42 1 0
bbc
When was the last time MPs took a pay freeze and didn't get a pay rise?
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26/11/2020 11:08:12 75 14
bbc
How predictable - everyone else is massively under the kosh, knuckling down and trying to survive - and the Public Sector Unions are moaning and whining for pay rises.

I also read yesterday that Corbyn was "demanding" a 10% pay increase for the Public Sector (presumably from his Allotment HQ, sitting as an independent), as part of his endless bandwagoning on Twitter.

Who ARE these bampots?
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26/11/2020 11:16:57 24 39
bbc
Everyone else being the Tory linked private companies that have made millions from PPE contracts? The money is there it is just being put into the pockets of their friends and associates.
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26/11/2020 11:58:03 1 10
bbc
The public sector is one of the few groups who have had to work the whole way through this pandemic, often having to go on the front lines, but no, you'd rather not reward that and punish them because some shops and sandwich chains have had to close... You are an ungrateful bunch!
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26/11/2020 14:01:04 0 1
bbc
What all those people, taking the risks, working full time , ensuring the sick, the unemployed and those on furlough are looked after.
What is a bampot by the way?
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26/11/2020 10:56:31 16 2
bbc
And where did the money come from to pay that tax in the first place ?

Correct, the private sector. The public sector doesn't generate wealth, it spends it.
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26/11/2020 11:09:39 1 6
bbc
And what do you think would happen to your taxes if there was no public sector? How would anything get done. It wouldn’t. Stop pointing the finger at the public sector and look at the government that has caused this absolute mess.
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26/11/2020 11:20:00 3 1
bbc
You are trying to put the cart before the horse, the public sector exists as a result of the private sector. By the way is the Government a public sector body or a private one ?
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26/11/2020 11:09:39 1 0
bbc
National Living Wage £8.91ph. What reality are these people living in?
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26/11/2020 11:19:51 4 0
bbc
Yeah, that's way too high and means that extra jobs won't be created.
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26/11/2020 10:59:25 4 0
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And I would bin that as well.
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26/11/2020 11:10:16 0 0
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We all would. But they won't, and that's the problem
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26/11/2020 10:58:28 5 9
bbc
The public sector has lost thousands of jobs too. 20000 police for a start, so many tax inspectors all these Covid fiddlers are untouchable, probation staff, local government staff, with many transferred to the private sector with loss of wages and pensions.

They had an 8 year pay freeze.

Here we suffer grief and pain, over the road it’s just the same.
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26/11/2020 11:11:14 2 1
bbc
Exactly, but look at these comments. Private sector workers pointing the finger at public sector workers as if we are the enemy, as if we caused this, after declining wages and savage cuts over the last decade here we stand painting each other as the enemy whilst the government sits up there laughing as we fight amongst ourselves. Wake up people!!
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26/11/2020 11:11:43 5 5
bbc
I see a lot of people "Having a go" in one form or another at Public Sector workers. I too have been physically threatened. If people think our pay &conditions are so good (they are no longer) WHY do we struggle to recruit staff across all manner of jobs - WHY because pay is not as good as the politicians & press would have you believe & not "Gold-plated". YES we really do struggle to recruit.
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26/11/2020 12:16:54 0 0
bbc
Can list the openings for jobs in your local area, I am willing to move!
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26/11/2020 11:13:01 39 5
bbc
Union backlash over public sector pay freeze
I could live with a pay freeze but I am on a huge pay minus. I am a farmer producing premium beef from a pedigree Aberdeen Angus herd. My grain crops have taken a massive hammering in yield due to weather and beef prices have fallen, yet my running costs and insurance have all increased. I am well down on last year but I will get on with it.
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26/11/2020 11:26:42 11 14
bbc
You would prudent to diversify - any business which depends on perpetual subsidies for its survival has a limited future.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:33:56 47 14
bbc
If we can’t afford a pay rise for public sector workers we should not be sending aid oversea.
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26/11/2020 11:13:18 3 2
bbc
Wow, really got me with that one. I don't want pay rises public sectors workers or foreign aid.
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26/11/2020 10:57:50 23 10
bbc
It is about time a lot of these people actually worked. And for the significant number of public servants who have not been furloughed and been on extended holiday with very low productivity since April I suggest they keep there heads down before someone works out we have not missed them .
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26/11/2020 11:13:21 2 3
bbc
Baseless comment. How on earth could you possibly claim to know how productive a ‘significant number of public servants’ are unless you were a direct supervisor to this significant number. Move on and stir up a different pot. Right wing shill.
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26/11/2020 10:57:50 23 10
bbc
It is about time a lot of these people actually worked. And for the significant number of public servants who have not been furloughed and been on extended holiday with very low productivity since April I suggest they keep there heads down before someone works out we have not missed them .
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26/11/2020 11:14:13 2 4
bbc
Most public sector workers have worked 100%, done more hours, been "reallocated" where there was help needed to provide support to communities and business etc. with Covid grants and support etc. Don't believe what you read in the tory dominated press.
Get it right....
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26/11/2020 14:11:35 1 1
bbc
Its their "job". You can always quit if you think you are being asked to something not within your job role or unreasonable. Private care staff moved out of their own homes to move into care homes to care for their charges. Many in private businesses work long hours, inconvenience etc. Funny thats the way of the world.
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26/11/2020 11:14:13 7 1
bbc
Unions are summed up beautifully in the opening line of a famous rugby parody song

“The working class can kiss my @ss,

I’ve got the foreman’s job at last”
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26/11/2020 11:03:19 64 8
bbc
Union backlash over public sector pay freeze...They can moan al they want but everyone is suffering pain and misery during this pandemic. We have huge debts from Government borrowing to pay back and we don't have money trees. We are in this together and that includes the public sector.
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26/11/2020 11:15:32 18 28
bbc
There must be money trees somewhere, HS2, nuclear power plants, increased military spending etc. After the banking crisis did the private sector fund the debt then? Thought not.
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26/11/2020 12:04:19 4 0
bbc
Clearly, you do not understand how Major Investment Projects are funded. They are not funded by the taxpayer.
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:32:47 0 1
bbc
I'd say that the only one of those that we don't need is HS2.
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26/11/2020 12:25:42 0 0
bbc
Ultimately they do as all that money for infrastructure is funded by selling govt bonds which are in the main held by banks and pension funds.
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26/11/2020 11:15:48 8 4
bbc
A better solution would also to have a 3% pay cut for public sector workers on more than £40,000 p.a.
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26/11/2020 11:26:01 1 1
bbc
Cutting the pay of top increment PCs and above, paramedics, doctors, top nurses etc doesn't seem like a sensible solution...
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26/11/2020 10:37:56 28 44
bbc
Overseas aid promotes investment opportunities for the UK.

The trouble is that the government don't want to pay for meals for starving kids in the UK but do want to spend £15bn on defence. The money is there for the priority areas of the hard-right.
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26/11/2020 11:15:56 10 3
bbc
All responsibility cannot be shifted onto the Government (tax payers). It's a question of priorities for some, latest phone or meals for the children. Don't have kids if you cannot look after them.
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26/11/2020 11:15:59 36 7
bbc
Risked everything? Who are you kidding? What did the bin collectors risk? what did TfL risk being furloughed at home? Same for all the civil servants who 'worked from home'
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26/11/2020 14:07:26 3 1
bbc
TFL are considered to be private sector. They do charge fares don't they?
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26/11/2020 10:48:33 17 12
bbc
Contractors with tory connections were 10 times more likely to receive a contract for PPE than those that had no connection. If that doesnt reek of corruption I dont know what does
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26/11/2020 11:16:53 3 2
bbc
Standard Momentum post.
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26/11/2020 12:39:40 2 1
bbc
Funny, i'm not a member of any union or labour, but keep on with that rhetoric, its not just labour supporters who are concerned about inappropriate contract provision, we all should be really as its our money they are handing to their mates
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26/11/2020 11:16:56 39 5
bbc
Having worked in both public and private sector, I certainly got a pay rise every couple of years in public sector. 20 years in the private sector I have got a pay rise twice. We are in a financial meltdown and unions should be focused on saving jobs not pay rises where inflation is flat. Go on strike for a week and the money you lose will never be recovered in 10 years of work. plain stupid !!!
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Bob
26/11/2020 18:46:39 1 1
bbc
The Reality Check team have just posted a 'public vs. private pay' article. It starkly lays out in two graphs exactly what the public sector workers don't want to see.

They can claim pay freezes and low growth over the last decade, but that was due to them getting pay growth during the crashes when private saw decline and now things are level-pegged.
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26/11/2020 11:08:12 75 14
bbc
How predictable - everyone else is massively under the kosh, knuckling down and trying to survive - and the Public Sector Unions are moaning and whining for pay rises.

I also read yesterday that Corbyn was "demanding" a 10% pay increase for the Public Sector (presumably from his Allotment HQ, sitting as an independent), as part of his endless bandwagoning on Twitter.

Who ARE these bampots?
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26/11/2020 11:16:57 24 39
bbc
Everyone else being the Tory linked private companies that have made millions from PPE contracts? The money is there it is just being put into the pockets of their friends and associates.
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26/11/2020 11:48:58 5 0
bbc
Many on the VIP list were suggested by Labour MPs and peers but coffeeandTV just ignores these in his complaint.
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GR
26/11/2020 11:17:16 2 3
bbc
Two years to go and get out of the job I am doing. 25 years service, not a day off sick or isolating during the pandemic.
Wheras my senior management team have all woked from home the last 6 months and during this pandemic the MP's are awarded a pay increase.

I've done my bit, all British governments can shove it up their big fat behinds
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26/11/2020 11:21:00 9 1
bbc
I've done my bit as well but self employed and have to rely on myself.
Grow up, resign and work for yourself if you are so capable.
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26/11/2020 10:58:28 5 9
bbc
The public sector has lost thousands of jobs too. 20000 police for a start, so many tax inspectors all these Covid fiddlers are untouchable, probation staff, local government staff, with many transferred to the private sector with loss of wages and pensions.

They had an 8 year pay freeze.

Here we suffer grief and pain, over the road it’s just the same.
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26/11/2020 11:04:22 0 0
bbc
The police cuts were mostly through not replacing those who retired, were sacked or left. Not redundancies
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26/11/2020 10:52:02 110 40
bbc
What is wrong with the public sector? we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago. We did not cause this pandemic. The public sector have to take their share of the pain. Their behaviour is little short of disgusting.
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26/11/2020 11:18:50 3 3
bbc
No one is objecting to share the pain of pay back, just do it fairly across society. Tax everybody not just portions of society. This is no ones fault. The money being borrowed is for everyone, why should public sectors (including the scientist getting us out of this mess) solely fit the bill?
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:11:12 3 0
bbc
Rest assures there will be little, if anything in the way of pay-rises for the private secor. Assuming, that is, they still have jobs.
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26/11/2020 12:25:13 5 1
bbc
Do you honestly think that the public sector is "solely footing the bill"? Tell that to the people who have lost their jobs whilst others are sat at home on 100% pay.

Public sector pay has increased 4% on average in the last year, private sector 1%

Public sector furloughed on 100% pay (no cap), private sector 80% capped at £2,400.

Is that "sharing the pain"?
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26/11/2020 12:46:15 1 0
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You cant tax poeple who lost their jobs.
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26/11/2020 11:07:15 5 9
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Let me get this right.
When times are hard Public Sector is penalised as not on parity with Private Sector, yet when times are good, we don't get parity with Private Sector?
Factor in 10 years of pay freezes (effective cuts) and tweaks to pensions I reckon I am on at least 28% LESS than I would be if I had received inline with inflation rises for last 10 years or so.
I worked 100% through Covid.
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26/11/2020 11:19:03 1 3
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Shhhh they won’t like this as it doesn’t fit in with their snowflake right wing agenda. Anything that goes against their medieval partisan views will trigger them.
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26/11/2020 11:19:16 10 0
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Fury, anger !!!
Hardly a reasonable response given the OBVIOUS financial circumstances.
Can we have a photo of the angry and furious union spokesperson to validate the tabloid style journalism ?
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26/11/2020 10:48:57 32 10
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Be thankful you have a job, there are swathes of those in the private sector who no longer have one and who paid the tax to fund your job. I read a comment on HYS about Arthur Scargill that struck a cord, he was once a man in a small house who headed a big union then he had a big house and a small union.
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26/11/2020 11:19:29 5 1
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I'm a public sector worker (NHS Nurse) and I would glady give up any pay rise and have the money put towards saving jobs where people at risk of losing them. Nursing has been horrible since March and I did get covid from work, it wasn't nice. But at the end of the day I didn't have to worry about a job loss. I think Nurses would be happier if the NMC cut the yearly fee of £120 for our pin number,
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26/11/2020 11:09:39 1 0
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National Living Wage £8.91ph. What reality are these people living in?
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26/11/2020 11:19:51 4 0
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Yeah, that's way too high and means that extra jobs won't be created.
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26/11/2020 11:09:39 1 6
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And what do you think would happen to your taxes if there was no public sector? How would anything get done. It wouldn’t. Stop pointing the finger at the public sector and look at the government that has caused this absolute mess.
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26/11/2020 11:20:00 3 1
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You are trying to put the cart before the horse, the public sector exists as a result of the private sector. By the way is the Government a public sector body or a private one ?
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26/11/2020 12:45:22 0 0
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The government is within public sector. The conservative party is private.
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26/11/2020 11:20:27 22 8
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If they're not happy about a pay freeze, leave and join the private sector instead.

Or, think yourself lucky you 've had a job and been supported throughout 2020 (and will continue to be until you retire with your nice state pension)

These people have no idea what it's like to earn a living on your own, without the state safety net.
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Ian
26/11/2020 12:42:55 7 1
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I was a public sector worker and because of the Pay Freeze and the fact that for my job and qualifications my pay was not commensurate with what the Private Sector were offering for similar expedrience and qualification I re-signed and I found a job in the Private sector for £20K more. Haven't looked back since.
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26/11/2020 11:07:15 5 9
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Let me get this right.
When times are hard Public Sector is penalised as not on parity with Private Sector, yet when times are good, we don't get parity with Private Sector?
Factor in 10 years of pay freezes (effective cuts) and tweaks to pensions I reckon I am on at least 28% LESS than I would be if I had received inline with inflation rises for last 10 years or so.
I worked 100% through Covid.
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26/11/2020 11:20:32 4 0
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You are of the strange belief that private sector workers get pay rises. Come over and smell the coffee. We only get a pay rise if we change jobs/companies otherwise our pay never gets reviewed. My take home pay hasnt changed in 10 years but you expect a pay rise. what makes you so entitled and we arent?
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26/11/2020 12:32:44 0 0
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Well, I can't speak for all, but most of my friends and family in Private Sector get regular pay rises, performance reviews, 35 hour weeks, bonuses, profit share, share issues, decent pension, company car options, BUPA, Social Clubs....
Admittedly they are not self employed but work for larger organisations.....
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26/11/2020 12:37:10 0 0
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Roccko, if that is your situation then that's a shame.
Similarly the coffee in the Public Sector is quite bitter these days too.
Don't believe what you're fed by the right-wing press.
I can only speak for my team & colleagues who have worked tirelessly through the Pandemic taking on extra duties, hours and putting themselves at risk - mostly helping out the needy & sorting out grants for UK Govt.
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Ian
26/11/2020 11:20:53 1 7
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Slowly but surely the cracks in the Tory anus are appearing
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GR
26/11/2020 11:17:16 2 3
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Two years to go and get out of the job I am doing. 25 years service, not a day off sick or isolating during the pandemic.
Wheras my senior management team have all woked from home the last 6 months and during this pandemic the MP's are awarded a pay increase.

I've done my bit, all British governments can shove it up their big fat behinds
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26/11/2020 11:21:00 9 1
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I've done my bit as well but self employed and have to rely on myself.
Grow up, resign and work for yourself if you are so capable.
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26/11/2020 10:52:02 110 40
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What is wrong with the public sector? we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago. We did not cause this pandemic. The public sector have to take their share of the pain. Their behaviour is little short of disgusting.
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26/11/2020 11:21:26 7 11
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"we, in the private sector lose our jobs in droves, never go on strike and had our pensions destroyed years ago."

Those aren't...good things. You do realise that right? That's not an example to follow.
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26/11/2020 13:23:13 2 0
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yes it is an example bercause it sounds like they save their company. The alternative is fire everyone and close down. What you miss is that this doesnt happen in the luxury and inefficient life of the public sector which are general useless inefficient jobs for life
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26/11/2020 10:54:47 51 9
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Union backlash, wonder how much union officials are getting and how much their pay increases
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26/11/2020 11:22:13 18 17
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Does that matter? Did you ask about Rashford's contract when he spoke for feeding British kids?
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26/11/2020 11:40:27 3 2
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Actually, some people did. Because they have no real arguments, just an endless stream of right-wing talking points intended to foster resentments. These people will never let a good crisis go to waste. But we aren't two tribes. Lots of private sector workers are happy that public sector workers have more security, and unions speaking up for them, because their spouses work in the public sector.
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26/11/2020 11:44:36 1 1
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YES!!!!
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26/11/2020 11:35:10 10 0
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Yes. When Rashford lives in a two up two down house, drives a 10 year old Nissan Micra, his weekly treat is a pint of bitter at the local, and he gives any earnings over and above this to child charities, only then will I accord him a great deal of respect. Many people on low incomes donate to charity, and we don't get our faces in the national press for it.
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26/11/2020 12:28:14 4 0
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I did, I wanted to know if his tax is PAYE or if he uses avoidance in one way or another which would make him look like a hypocrite, everything is quiet on this, strange no?
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26/11/2020 14:05:34 0 0
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yes......
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26/11/2020 10:44:21 64 13
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These union leaders don’t live in the real world. Thousands of private sector employees (many of which are in low income jobs) are seriously at risk of losing their jobs due to an impending collapse in the economy once the furlough scheme ends yet all the greedy unions will cause disruption whilst attempting to score political points.
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26/11/2020 11:23:16 1 0
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"Thousands of private sector employees (many of which are in low income jobs) are seriously at risk of losing their jobs"

Maybe that's a bad thing too...
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:14:20 3 0
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It is, but it's those private sector jobs that fund the public sector in one way or another.
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26/11/2020 11:05:51 6 2
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The point is we can't afford either.
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26/11/2020 11:23:24 1 3
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Assuming ‘we’ means the government... I find it interesting that at best the measures undertaken have saved up to 200k lives (as estimated in March) at a cost of >£350bn. That’s £1.75m per life. Unprecedented spending when typically a life is valued at £100k in risk terms. Anyway, £1.75m per life, but £250 for key workers on low pay. Nothing for others. So in what sense can’t it be afforded?
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26/11/2020 16:45:05 0 0
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Why bother having healthcare, medicine etc. Just let any and everybody die, survival of the fittest... oh wait, yes thats the Stone Age.
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26/11/2020 11:04:07 96 19
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Well of course Unions are not going to be happy. What they going to do, go on strike during a national crisis? Many public sector workers have been on full pay throughout. Maybe think about those in the private sector and contractors. Myself, no work since March.
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26/11/2020 11:24:09 42 49
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"Many public sector workers have been on full pay throughout."

That is generally what happens when one continues to work.
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26/11/2020 12:19:34 16 3
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Well I work in the private sector and many in our firm had to take pay cuts up to 50% for six months while still working. Back on full pay now, but no pay rise this year and not expected for at least next year either. No one like a pay freeze, but we're all just doing our best to keep the company afloat. Unlike the government we dont have a captive client base.
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26/11/2020 12:36:38 13 5
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They have pretended to work, it's just an illusion that they think what they do is vital (the majority of Public Sector workers wouldn't be missed as they actually achieve or produce very little). I am sure it has adversely affected tea and coffee sales!
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26/11/2020 15:07:27 4 0
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not all public sector have been working ,check your facts ,but still on 100% pay ,no job losses,
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26/11/2020 10:53:54 29 6
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Of course union backlash, they want every tax payer to pay for them, unions ever thought of reducing their affiliation fees, no don’t think so, if they reduce their take from the workers how are they going to pay for Sir Starmers Labour Party by the way as you know Sir Starmer Is the working class hero lives in London was a lawyer, and of course a knight of the realm yep real working class hero.
Cillit Bang is not for drinking. Removed
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26/11/2020 11:44:33 1 0
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Very poorly thought out deflection post
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26/11/2020 11:26:13 4 0
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You're unhappy.....then leave and find an employer who respects your great skills and work ethos!
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26/11/2020 11:13:01 39 5
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Union backlash over public sector pay freeze
I could live with a pay freeze but I am on a huge pay minus. I am a farmer producing premium beef from a pedigree Aberdeen Angus herd. My grain crops have taken a massive hammering in yield due to weather and beef prices have fallen, yet my running costs and insurance have all increased. I am well down on last year but I will get on with it.
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26/11/2020 11:26:42 11 14
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You would prudent to diversify - any business which depends on perpetual subsidies for its survival has a limited future.
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26/11/2020 11:38:06 6 0
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Of course. The public sector is 100% subsidised by the tax payer!!!
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26/11/2020 12:30:37 1 0
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Like the public sector?
‘Civil servants will feel a deep sense of betrayal due to the pay freeze’.. that’s a joke right? .. they’ve been the most back stabbing bunch of remoaners ever!.. don’t be surprised when they sue the Govt for no pay rise.. biggest bunch of wimpy snowflakes there’s ever been..drain the swamp Removed
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jon
26/11/2020 10:33:56 47 14
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If we can’t afford a pay rise for public sector workers we should not be sending aid oversea.
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26/11/2020 11:11:52 3 1
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I wouldn't mind overseas aid so much if it was ultimately spent on JLR cars rather than Mercedes Benz.
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26/11/2020 11:13:38 2 1
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Well let's keep an eye on the MP pay rises this year in this case -I bet theirs are not frozen!
Better to limit the excessive expenses they receive and freeze their pay.
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26/11/2020 11:29:32 4 3
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Can I just say before we have this private vs public sector argument that everyone has the right to apply in either sector for a job if they have the skills to do it. Money was borrowed to defeat the pandemic and the burden of this debt repayment is everyone's, not just public sector workers.
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tqv
26/11/2020 12:30:05 1 0
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Private sector workers simply lose their jobs when businesses go bust. Then who will pay the taxes to fund the public sector?