Covid: Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments'
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More than 50 executives call for evidence justifying industry's Covid restrictions to be published.
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I like a drink myself but pubs offer ideal conditions for cross contamination and no way would I enter a pub at present.
Garbage, pubs are covid secure.
Unlike schools etc who are driving this virus. Hospitality is the political football in all of this.
Unlike schools etc who are driving this virus. Hospitality is the political football in all of this.
Could start by not having the ludicrous beer duty laws.
Successive governments have routinely failed to understand the roll a good local pub has in the community.
They're far more important than the church for starters.
Successive governments have routinely failed to understand the roll a good local pub has in the community.
They're far more important than the church for starters.
Agreed 100%. Just hope the breweries calling for a cut in the duty have the decency to drop the price of a pint by the same percentage as a cut.
I disagree. The church is very much an important part of the community and does a lot of good. Pubs are also essential for fostering community spirit and support, yet both pubs and churches are being penalised, despite the fact that they have mostly been excellent in their compliance with the Covid regulations.
I would say they are both important parts of Britain's heritage and culture. Most vicars can be regularly found in their local pub, because the patrons will also be part of the community, and the Church exists for the benefit of all in the community, not necessarily just regular church attendees.
The rolls at my local are not much to write home about. Hard as rock and limp cheese.
Which bit of 55 thousand dead [and rising] and 20 thousand cases a day do these guys not understand??
Boris, " publish the evidence "
He probably has had it for months, but it's probably at the back of his sock drawer.......
He probably has had it for months, but it's probably at the back of his sock drawer.......
if they go bust someone will reopen after this vaccine arrives
In rural Wales - I see small pubs that are packed Fri/Sat evening - sitting down etc. would be impossible, 3 or 4 deep at the bar... 10pm rule is just encouraging people to start earlier. What options do these pubs have ?
The only sensible option is to close the pubs until after this disaster is over, but the people who cannot go one day without drinking alcohol would have to be forced by law to manage this.
Not as dark as when you are told that one of your loved ones has died due to coronavirus. Pubs are places where people gather to talk and drink alcohol. Keeping people alive is more important than breweries and landlords making money.
In rural Wales - I see small pubs that are packed Fri/Sat evening - sitting down etc. would be impossible, 3 or 4 deep at the bar... 10pm rule is just encouraging people to start earlier. What options do these pubs have ?
What a moron.
Punish the sector that is not responsible and hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs.
Schools should close and remote learning used instead, they are the real spreaders.
Still at least we can all be thankful that you will never be in a position to drive policy Removed
Punish the sector that is not responsible and hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs.
Schools should close and remote learning used instead, they are the real spreaders.
Still at least we can all be thankful that you will never be in a position to drive policy Removed
At my local, you book your table online, when you arrive at the pub you are greeted at the door by a member of staff who then escorts you to your table ( all wearing masks), you then order your food and drink using the app which is then delivered to your table.
They can't be anymore compliant!
More than can be said for the supermarkets.
They can't be anymore compliant!
More than can be said for the supermarkets.
Very well said.
Sadly too many of the brain dead sheep on here won't let facts get in the way of their rants
Sadly too many of the brain dead sheep on here won't let facts get in the way of their rants
Pubs and restaurants have been shut for the last three weeks and infection rates have started to fall, how much more evidence do they want
nonsense pubs are dangerous places
Drinkers and Children are the least likely people to follow social distancing rules, pubs and schools were all we really need to shut for a period of time and the infections will fall dramatically, bet 99% of infections since September are parents of school children.
Keep pubs shut. If you need a drink buy it from the supermarket and drink at home. Roughly 4 pints for a fiver. Not only cheaper but this way there won't be a ny virus spreading. WIN /WIN
Tell that to the thousands of people who work in the industry that will loose their jobs that its ok, beer is cheaper in the supermarket. Most of the people commenting probably haven't been in to a pub for years let alone seen how safe some of these covid secure pubs are compared to mass groups of kids walking home from school or scrums in the supermarkets.
What about those that go to the pub not to drink but for their social contact? I know many single folks old and young that meet friends in our local but some of them drink soft drinks and it may be the only person beyond the supermarket cashier they have seen all week. We forget that small village pubs are as much community centres as they are ale houses, can your supermarket give you that?
Even the government's own graphs demonstrate that covid case were dropping in the first two months that pubs were open in the Summer and only started to rise again when the schools reopened in early September. Pubs have demonstrated that they are the safest type of commercial enterprise with proper social distancing and table service, unlike shops and supermarkets etc.
The places with the highest infection rates are 1. Supermarkets, 2. Universities/Schools 3. Private homes 3. Work places .... pubs, restaurants and cafes were way down the list somewhere around 15th with something like 3% = supermarkets were 30%! This is an outright attack by this government on the hospitality industry. Covid is not destroying this country, the government is.
I disagree. The church is very much an important part of the community and does a lot of good. Pubs are also essential for fostering community spirit and support, yet both pubs and churches are being penalised, despite the fact that they have mostly been excellent in their compliance with the Covid regulations.
Pubs and restaurants have been shut for the last three weeks and infection rates have started to fall, how much more evidence do they want
Did you spill my pint....
Thanks for publicly demonstrating your lack of intelligence
Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
Exactly, a good pub is a massive asset to its local community.
oh a mental health crisisbecause of beer,thought it was only fish that caused that
The sad thing is that pubs would be safe if people kept to their own groups and socially distanced from other drinkers.
It is not the good pubs that are the problem. It is the ones allowing idiots to carry on as if there is no problem.
Pubs are also an important part of this country's heritage, both in urban and rural areas.
And a living, breathing, vibrant part of it. We can go and look at old buildings and museums, but the pub is a rare example of a part of our heritage that's still alive.
And a living, breathing, vibrant part of it. We can go and look at old buildings and museums, but the pub is a rare example of a part of our heritage that's still alive.
Th best idea I've heard about pubs is not to implement a closing time which encourages speed drinking and to spill out onto the streets at the same time. But to institute a last entry time say 10PM then people would hopefully manage their consumption better and disperse at different times.
Tell that to the thousands of people who work in the industry that will loose their jobs that its ok, beer is cheaper in the supermarket. Most of the people commenting probably haven't been in to a pub for years let alone seen how safe some of these covid secure pubs are compared to mass groups of kids walking home from school or scrums in the supermarkets.
Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
Tell that to the thousands of people who work in the industry that will loose their jobs that its ok, beer is cheaper in the supermarket. Most of the people commenting probably haven't been in to a pub for years let alone seen how safe some of these covid secure pubs are compared to mass groups of kids walking home from school or scrums in the supermarkets.
nonsense pubs are dangerous places
Self-absorbed, ignorant, patronizing, destructive and covidiotic zealots (who ignore the facts but listen to the voice of their inflated egos, giving them a lovely but thoroughly unmerited feeling of moral superiority)
Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
All the pubs in our home counties area that I visited between the lockdowns were sticking to the rules and the customers observing them. It is seemed to be city centre pubs that were the problem.
If you drink, your inhibitions are lowered and your decision making is impaired. Not rocket science to see why there have been tough restrictions on pubs. My local has a detrimental impact on the immediate community, light polution, noise, violence and vomit on the pavements. I am not looking forward to the easing of restrictions on 2/12.
If pubs are a petri dish for Covid, then it's an industry that will have to close and reopen in a new form, after a vaccine is successfully implemented. Pubs aren't 'essential' for anyone except owners and employees.
"If pubs are a petri dish for Covid"
there not, not even close and they are very much essential to the British way of life, your views are in the tiniest of minority not even worth consideration but unfortunately there are people like you in SAGE who want nothing less than prohibition and that went well didn't it ?
there not, not even close and they are very much essential to the British way of life, your views are in the tiniest of minority not even worth consideration but unfortunately there are people like you in SAGE who want nothing less than prohibition and that went well didn't it ?
Pour me pour me pour me another. Hospitality whilst being hardest hit have also received the most support. Will all pubs close at the end of this? No. Why will some survive and other perish? Because they were better run by individuals who understand that you need to fix your roof when the sun is shining.
Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
The only sensible option is to close the pubs until after this disaster is over, but the people who cannot go one day without drinking alcohol would have to be forced by law to manage this.
At my local, you book your table online, when you arrive at the pub you are greeted at the door by a member of staff who then escorts you to your table ( all wearing masks), you then order your food and drink using the app which is then delivered to your table.
They can't be anymore compliant!
More than can be said for the supermarkets.
They can't be anymore compliant!
More than can be said for the supermarkets.
If you drink, your inhibitions are lowered and your decision making is impaired. Not rocket science to see why there have been tough restrictions on pubs. My local has a detrimental impact on the immediate community, light polution, noise, violence and vomit on the pavements. I am not looking forward to the easing of restrictions on 2/12.
I would give all of my fame for a pot of ale and safety.
William Shakespeare
William Shakespeare
nonsense pubs are dangerous places
Oh, you can see that demonstrated multiple times on a daily basis from good old Never Trust.....
Hasn't Boris put a block on that?
Resigned to the fact that the government has no idea how the virus is spreading. Scientists spend their days in labs and probably hardly ever use a pub or social club. Not be long before the country is devoid of it's social fabric. Well done Boris! Let's even up the North & South??
Cueman - you seem to have all the answers. Lets hear it then - your foolproof analysis to stop the virus killing a million people with no boundaries, barriers or querks and keeping the economy going seamlessly with no job losses.
If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
Given the mechanism of CV transmission it defies logic to permit any non essential venue the opportunity to host even small numbers of people while R is at or above 1. Pubs, sports stadiums, bling parlours, restaurants, garden centres etc are hardly essential enterprises & in any case traditional pubs closed years ago or converted to noisy eateries selling EuroFizz - ugh.
Hang on. Sports grounds are outside, when THE VYRUSS doesn't prosper and a wide separation can be maintained.
Do you want us allt o live in a prison?
Do you want us allt o live in a prison?
Lots of anti pubs rhetoric on here, if you don't want to go to the pub don't. If you do want to go! Simples.
But the erratic lunatics running the country won't let us!
Oh the loss of those highly skilled irreplaceable high value jobs will be devasting for the economy, how will we cope.
Pete, get a grip! Anyone with a job that pays taxes on their earnings and spending and provides for themselves and/or their family is of high value to the country. Maybe you don't drink in pubs, stay in hotels, or want your roads swept and bins emptied but you need to see the big picture.
If you drink, your inhibitions are lowered and your decision making is impaired. Not rocket science to see why there have been tough restrictions on pubs. My local has a detrimental impact on the immediate community, light polution, noise, violence and vomit on the pavements. I am not looking forward to the easing of restrictions on 2/12.
Anyone who's been in a busy pub at closing time knows the fizzy stuff has taken it's full effect and peoples' inhibitions go out the window. The opportunity to spread the virus is huge.
I can't see many MPs who vote for this being too welcome in pubs going forward.
From Pete Brown (I think) or Peter Haydon: the people who legislate about [against] pubs don'tt go to them.
The pub trade say they are not the cause of outbreaks - tell that to the 55 people in Ceredigion who caught it in two pubs - an outbreak that has led to 13 schools closing.
More likely the schools spread it to the pubs!
Resigned to the fact that the government has no idea how the virus is spreading. Scientists spend their days in labs and probably hardly ever use a pub or social club. Not be long before the country is devoid of it's social fabric. Well done Boris! Let's even up the North & South??
Cueman - you seem to have all the answers. Lets hear it then - your foolproof analysis to stop the virus killing a million people with no boundaries, barriers or querks and keeping the economy going seamlessly with no job losses.
If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
You cannot look at Covid in isolation... deaths are being caused by lack of routine hospital appointments, cecline in mental health as a direct result of lockdown on small businesses... for a virus that has by enlarge struck the older generation - we should have spent the £ on protecting them and let others carry on with life.
Beware how difficult it will be to wrestle these controls from UK GOV.
Beware how difficult it will be to wrestle these controls from UK GOV.
I am frankly aghast & disgusted that so many places are in Tier 3. The hospitality industry is on its knees. Landlords are in tears, at their wits end (& worse) looking at bankrupcy right now! We are looking at thousands of pubs that will go to the wall. These are often the social hub of a village.This is beyond unacceptable now Boris. Get a grip, accept that death rate is a bit higher than normal
I don;t see why quiet, well behaved country and provincial pubs have top be closed while super spreading universities and schools are open.
Because the young have suffered enough. Are you seriously suggesting we significantly disadvantage a generation's education and social development to prevent a few geriatric deaths?
What is wrong is not being open about this trade off and being quick to blame few students
The government should also be saying that Christmas rules will inevitably cost lives and cause another lockdown but they wont
What is wrong is not being open about this trade off and being quick to blame few students
The government should also be saying that Christmas rules will inevitably cost lives and cause another lockdown but they wont
Pete 11;42
"Oh the loss of those highly skilled irreplaceable high value jobs will be devasting for the economy, how will we cope"
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Take a little google about and see how this sector contributes to the economy in the round and you might find that your simplistic ill educated comment bears no relation to reality.
The education system has a lot to answer for.
"Oh the loss of those highly skilled irreplaceable high value jobs will be devasting for the economy, how will we cope"
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Take a little google about and see how this sector contributes to the economy in the round and you might find that your simplistic ill educated comment bears no relation to reality.
The education system has a lot to answer for.
Indeed, quite agree. The biggest industries in this country is banking/investment, Universities/research, the hospitality industry and tourism. Fishing is 1%, agriculture, around 5% and manufacturing just under 11%. Seems some people do not read newspapers or use the internet for anything but shopping! Some peoples reality is based on twatter, fishbook and what Boris says!
So it isn't about 2 thirds, it's 99% of the population of England that will be in tier's 2&3 makes a mockery of a "regional lockdown" plan.
I do feel for publicans and I hope they can survive, we need to get vaccines approved and delivered to start the "herd immunity" that will end this.
I do feel for publicans and I hope they can survive, we need to get vaccines approved and delivered to start the "herd immunity" that will end this.
You don't need a vaccine to get herd immunity, you just need a controlled spread.
i agree friend its the shotest route..I am getting fed up with having no life ..might as well be dead.
I'd quite like to see these data.
The sad thing is that pubs would be safe if people kept to their own groups and socially distanced from other drinkers.
I am not sure it's where the pubs are that is the problem. I think it's the age profile of the customers. I had the same experience as you between lockdowns until the very last week when i visited a pub which was predominantly full of young people. The pub had all the same procedures in place, I couldn't fault them, but the customers couldn't control themselves.
Thanks for publicly demonstrating your lack of intelligence
What a farce. Clearly schools and universities are the main source of new infections, not properly run pub restaurants. What was the point of eat put to help out undertaken at vast public expense. The government is clearly clueless. The only thing they have going for them is that the opposition is even more clueless. What a surprise London tier 2 many northern "regions" tier 3 hmmmm...
Clearly haven't been past a JDW queues outside rammed inside, not helping image for responsibly run pubs.
Yes it's obvious they haven't got a clue. Some places are being put into Tier 2 when their infection rates are less than a third of the national average. What will they have to do to get into Tier 1, kill everybody?
why is it that when they start making a foreign lager here it has a horrid after taste and causes worse hangovers like UK lagers?
is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
Yes a lot of countries have stricter brewing laws. If you tried to serve the kind of "lager" we have in this country in Germany, the Czech Republic etc you would likely be strung from the nearest lampost.
There are three kinds of alcohol, one in particular causes hangovers and has a bad taste. Check it out.
You should drink proper English ale. A thousand times better than eurofizz tasteless lager.
"If pubs are a petri dish for Covid"
there not, not even close and they are very much essential to the British way of life, your views are in the tiniest of minority not even worth consideration but unfortunately there are people like you in SAGE who want nothing less than prohibition and that went well didn't it ?
there not, not even close and they are very much essential to the British way of life, your views are in the tiniest of minority not even worth consideration but unfortunately there are people like you in SAGE who want nothing less than prohibition and that went well didn't it ?
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Closed.....
What a joke! Persecuting the hospitality industry, especially pubs is completely absurd! In my experience they are the most well run and 'covid safe' areas to be in when compared to say schools and universities. Businesses, livelihoods and possibly lives will be lost and the blame lies squarely on the Government's so called expert medical advisors - shame on you!
Not all are like your experiences unfortunately.
you are absolutely right friend
My local pub which is closed is Not being charged rent while the Covid 19 means it is closed.
Is this the same for all brewery owned pubs.
Is this the same for all brewery owned pubs.
From today you probably cannot get a drink in a pub from Kent to Scotland.......
Matt Hancock;
" check the government web site to see what tier you are" (right now)
Government web site (right now) put yourpost code in to see what tier you are in.
Result;
"Sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties this is unavailable"
The incompetence is staggering !
" check the government web site to see what tier you are" (right now)
Government web site (right now) put yourpost code in to see what tier you are in.
Result;
"Sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties this is unavailable"
The incompetence is staggering !
You don't need to enter your postcode, here's the list https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-of-local-restriction-tiers-by-area
The government's economy with the truth has caused confusion since day 1 of Covid 19. We're told pubs etc are receiving £biilions in various aid packages yet the industry is facing wholesale bankruptcy. Who is telling the truth?
Matt Hancock;
" check the government web site to see what tier you are" (right now)
Government web site (right now) put yourpost code in to see what tier you are in.
Result;
"Sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties this is unavailable"
The incompetence is staggering !
" check the government web site to see what tier you are" (right now)
Government web site (right now) put yourpost code in to see what tier you are in.
Result;
"Sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties this is unavailable"
The incompetence is staggering !
You don't need to enter your postcode, here's the list https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-of-local-restriction-tiers-by-area
Thanks for that. Checked it out, and it has resulted in my museum post above. :-)
Pubs in Tier two have now been turned into glorified cafes no more no less. The essence of a pub first and foremost is to go and have a few drinks and meet friends .....eating in a pub is secondary.
Not everyone wants to eat in the pub and as they now charge "restaurant prices" many will collapse.
This decision will break the industry...however watch out for pub crawling
Not everyone wants to eat in the pub and as they now charge "restaurant prices" many will collapse.
This decision will break the industry...however watch out for pub crawling
yes true not many people want to eat in a pub bring back the cockles and mussel men
Apparently drinks can only be served with a substantial meal. I am going to get my partner to say that I survive on quarter of a tin of baked beans a day, so a portion of chips is a substantial meal for me!
I will give you evidence from my local area... Wharton Arms, Bedlington and The Castle & Bubbles Wine Bar, Ashington ignoring the guidelines by being over their room fire limits and all three failing to keep records of who had visited. Two weeks later there were spikes in covid 19 cases in Bedlington West and Hirst, Ashington council areas.
A case of the few spoiling it for the many.
A case of the few spoiling it for the many.
This would be why rural Northumberland is in Tier 3, yet with very few cases :-(
Removed
The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the very heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities. I am a beef farmer and work seven days a week. On Saturdays I like to go for a few pints with my wife and sons. We normally slow cook a joint of meat enough for a beef in a bun. Other folk bring bread and salad etc. We all catch up and chew the fat etc. Community!
What a farce. Clearly schools and universities are the main source of new infections, not properly run pub restaurants. What was the point of eat put to help out undertaken at vast public expense. The government is clearly clueless. The only thing they have going for them is that the opposition is even more clueless. What a surprise London tier 2 many northern "regions" tier 3 hmmmm...
Cueman - you seem to have all the answers. Lets hear it then - your foolproof analysis to stop the virus killing a million people with no boundaries, barriers or querks and keeping the economy going seamlessly with no job losses.
If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
You cannot look at Covid in isolation... deaths are being caused by lack of routine hospital appointments, cecline in mental health as a direct result of lockdown on small businesses... for a virus that has by enlarge struck the older generation - we should have spent the £ on protecting them and let others carry on with life.
Beware how difficult it will be to wrestle these controls from UK GOV.
Beware how difficult it will be to wrestle these controls from UK GOV.
From today you probably cannot get a drink in a pub from Kent to Scotland.......
Forgot that Scotland is locked down, The Hebrides still open ???
Well, that's Devolution for you.
why is it that when they start making a foreign lager here it has a horrid after taste and causes worse hangovers like UK lagers?
is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
What a joke! Persecuting the hospitality industry, especially pubs is completely absurd! In my experience they are the most well run and 'covid safe' areas to be in when compared to say schools and universities. Businesses, livelihoods and possibly lives will be lost and the blame lies squarely on the Government's so called expert medical advisors - shame on you!
why is it that when they start making a foreign lager here it has a horrid after taste and causes worse hangovers like UK lagers?
is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
Its not the Goverment, its not the pubs, its People. A small number of irresponsible idiots ignored the rules ( yes you ) and spoilt it for the rest of us. We were only asked to keep to sensible easy to follow rules whilst having a drink/meal out but some could'nt resist gathering in numbers or moving from one table to another. I spotted 20+ together (yes 20 +) in one pub.
Meanwhile it was shown on live television that hundreds piled out onto the streets at 10pm and partied in the street for 30 minutes before dispersing.
They closed their own public houses and bars by their own actions.
They closed their own public houses and bars by their own actions.
What a farce. Clearly schools and universities are the main source of new infections, not properly run pub restaurants. What was the point of eat put to help out undertaken at vast public expense. The government is clearly clueless. The only thing they have going for them is that the opposition is even more clueless. What a surprise London tier 2 many northern "regions" tier 3 hmmmm...
So it isn't about 2 thirds, it's 99% of the population of England that will be in tier's 2&3 makes a mockery of a "regional lockdown" plan.
I do feel for publicans and I hope they can survive, we need to get vaccines approved and delivered to start the "herd immunity" that will end this.
I do feel for publicans and I hope they can survive, we need to get vaccines approved and delivered to start the "herd immunity" that will end this.
Like that which is going on in the US ?
Its not the Goverment, its not the pubs, its People. A small number of irresponsible idiots ignored the rules ( yes you ) and spoilt it for the rest of us. We were only asked to keep to sensible easy to follow rules whilst having a drink/meal out but some could'nt resist gathering in numbers or moving from one table to another. I spotted 20+ together (yes 20 +) in one pub.
That was city centre pubs. Not your average country or suburban hostelry.
The bottom for all lockdown fans is that if you keep shouting for long enough, there'll be nothing left to come out of hiding for. You will be locked indoors forever, vaccine or no vaccine.
I will give you evidence from my local area... Wharton Arms, Bedlington and The Castle & Bubbles Wine Bar, Ashington ignoring the guidelines by being over their room fire limits and all three failing to keep records of who had visited. Two weeks later there were spikes in covid 19 cases in Bedlington West and Hirst, Ashington council areas.
A case of the few spoiling it for the many.
A case of the few spoiling it for the many.
Doesn't seem to make any sense as why same group of people in tier 2 area, can visit a pub & have meals with drinks, but not go into same pub & just have the same drinks but no meals.
Maybe I missed the science explaining how eating a meal in a pub protects people from passing on or being infected with the virus.
Personally I have no interest going into a pub, though nice to have one outside one.
Maybe I missed the science explaining how eating a meal in a pub protects people from passing on or being infected with the virus.
Personally I have no interest going into a pub, though nice to have one outside one.
What about those that go to the pub not to drink but for their social contact? I know many single folks old and young that meet friends in our local but some of them drink soft drinks and it may be the only person beyond the supermarket cashier they have seen all week. We forget that small village pubs are as much community centres as they are ale houses, can your supermarket give you that?
covid and the natural element of companionship and alcohol are at odds. its an evolution dillema and nature will get its way..all be it deaths while living your life . cant be helped.
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I run a small little rustic rural pub on Dartmoor which has been not just a pub, but a community hub since the 1620s. We have not received a single penny in government help, and the announcement today is most likely the final nail in the coffin. Ignoring my own financial hardship, I feel so sorry for all the amazing locals who rely on the pub for their own wellbeing. It's a really sad day.
Very sorry to hear that, 1620, wow, what a waste.
Look on the upside 18 cans of stella £12..........what a country..WHAT A COUNTRY!!!!!