Covid: Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments'
26/11/2020 | news | business | 196
More than 50 executives call for evidence justifying industry's Covid restrictions to be published.
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26/11/2020 10:35:24 15 21
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I like a drink myself but pubs offer ideal conditions for cross contamination and no way would I enter a pub at present.
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26/11/2020 11:17:13 14 3
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Garbage, pubs are covid secure.
Unlike schools etc who are driving this virus. Hospitality is the political football in all of this.
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Cam
26/11/2020 10:37:21 45 7
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Could start by not having the ludicrous beer duty laws.
Successive governments have routinely failed to understand the roll a good local pub has in the community.
They're far more important than the church for starters.
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26/11/2020 11:00:03 22 3
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Agreed 100%. Just hope the breweries calling for a cut in the duty have the decency to drop the price of a pint by the same percentage as a cut.
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26/11/2020 11:02:40 7 3
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I disagree. The church is very much an important part of the community and does a lot of good. Pubs are also essential for fostering community spirit and support, yet both pubs and churches are being penalised, despite the fact that they have mostly been excellent in their compliance with the Covid regulations.
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26/11/2020 12:05:00 4 0
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I would say they are both important parts of Britain's heritage and culture. Most vicars can be regularly found in their local pub, because the patrons will also be part of the community, and the Church exists for the benefit of all in the community, not necessarily just regular church attendees.
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26/11/2020 13:36:05 0 1
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The rolls at my local are not much to write home about. Hard as rock and limp cheese.
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26/11/2020 10:37:29 10 26
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Which bit of 55 thousand dead [and rising] and 20 thousand cases a day do these guys not understand??
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26/11/2020 10:37:34 7 27
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pubs and hospitality are responsible for the spread of the virus
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26/11/2020 10:44:29 20 7
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No, schools and shops are. The places that stayed open in lockdown!
You really are an uneducated moron Removed
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26/11/2020 10:38:27 13 9
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Boris, " publish the evidence "

He probably has had it for months, but it's probably at the back of his sock drawer.......
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27/11/2020 15:14:37 0 0
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along with his brain which is also in the sock drawer somewhere, never to be found
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26/11/2020 10:42:37 11 20
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Surely closing pubs is the lesser of two evils?
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26/11/2020 11:11:46 3 12
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if they go bust someone will reopen after this vaccine arrives
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26/11/2020 10:37:34 7 27
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pubs and hospitality are responsible for the spread of the virus
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26/11/2020 10:44:29 20 7
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No, schools and shops are. The places that stayed open in lockdown!
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DG
26/11/2020 10:45:44 24 9
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If pubs remain open, and until the covid threat is under control, the legal age to buy alcohol in a pub should be raised to 25. The snowflakes can go the off-license and drink at home...... and not ignore SD in the streets.
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26/11/2020 10:45:54 8 3
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In rural Wales - I see small pubs that are packed Fri/Sat evening - sitting down etc. would be impossible, 3 or 4 deep at the bar... 10pm rule is just encouraging people to start earlier. What options do these pubs have ?
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26/11/2020 10:55:30 8 31
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The only sensible option is to close the pubs until after this disaster is over, but the people who cannot go one day without drinking alcohol would have to be forced by law to manage this.
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26/11/2020 10:46:54 11 22
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Not as dark as when you are told that one of your loved ones has died due to coronavirus. Pubs are places where people gather to talk and drink alcohol. Keeping people alive is more important than breweries and landlords making money.
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26/11/2020 10:45:54 8 3
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In rural Wales - I see small pubs that are packed Fri/Sat evening - sitting down etc. would be impossible, 3 or 4 deep at the bar... 10pm rule is just encouraging people to start earlier. What options do these pubs have ?
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26/11/2020 10:55:30 8 31
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The only sensible option is to close the pubs until after this disaster is over, but the people who cannot go one day without drinking alcohol would have to be forced by law to manage this.
What a moron.
Punish the sector that is not responsible and hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs.
Schools should close and remote learning used instead, they are the real spreaders.

Still at least we can all be thankful that you will never be in a position to drive policy
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26/11/2020 14:31:44 2 1
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in what way is that a sensible option? You don't want a drink, fine, but don't judge others that do, unless you want to put your entire lifestyle, hobbies and interests on here for all of us to have a pop at!!
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26/11/2020 10:58:24 65 5
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At my local, you book your table online, when you arrive at the pub you are greeted at the door by a member of staff who then escorts you to your table ( all wearing masks), you then order your food and drink using the app which is then delivered to your table.
They can't be anymore compliant!
More than can be said for the supermarkets.
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26/11/2020 11:25:10 30 3
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Very well said.
Sadly too many of the brain dead sheep on here won't let facts get in the way of their rants
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26/11/2020 10:59:59 12 18
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Pubs and restaurants have been shut for the last three weeks and infection rates have started to fall, how much more evidence do they want
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26/11/2020 11:03:49 4 16
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nonsense pubs are dangerous places
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26/11/2020 13:33:38 1 0
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Drinkers and Children are the least likely people to follow social distancing rules, pubs and schools were all we really need to shut for a period of time and the infections will fall dramatically, bet 99% of infections since September are parents of school children.
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26/11/2020 11:01:09 12 25
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Keep pubs shut. If you need a drink buy it from the supermarket and drink at home. Roughly 4 pints for a fiver. Not only cheaper but this way there won't be a ny virus spreading. WIN /WIN
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26/11/2020 11:08:16 16 5
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Tell that to the thousands of people who work in the industry that will loose their jobs that its ok, beer is cheaper in the supermarket. Most of the people commenting probably haven't been in to a pub for years let alone seen how safe some of these covid secure pubs are compared to mass groups of kids walking home from school or scrums in the supermarkets.
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26/11/2020 11:20:52 2 5
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Pub bores often don't have an audience at home.
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26/11/2020 13:03:11 0 1
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What about those that go to the pub not to drink but for their social contact? I know many single folks old and young that meet friends in our local but some of them drink soft drinks and it may be the only person beyond the supermarket cashier they have seen all week. We forget that small village pubs are as much community centres as they are ale houses, can your supermarket give you that?
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Cam
26/11/2020 10:37:21 45 7
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Could start by not having the ludicrous beer duty laws.
Successive governments have routinely failed to understand the roll a good local pub has in the community.
They're far more important than the church for starters.
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26/11/2020 11:00:03 22 3
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Agreed 100%. Just hope the breweries calling for a cut in the duty have the decency to drop the price of a pint by the same percentage as a cut.
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26/11/2020 11:02:18 77 7
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Even the government's own graphs demonstrate that covid case were dropping in the first two months that pubs were open in the Summer and only started to rise again when the schools reopened in early September. Pubs have demonstrated that they are the safest type of commercial enterprise with proper social distancing and table service, unlike shops and supermarkets etc.
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27/11/2020 21:30:40 0 0
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The places with the highest infection rates are 1. Supermarkets, 2. Universities/Schools 3. Private homes 3. Work places .... pubs, restaurants and cafes were way down the list somewhere around 15th with something like 3% = supermarkets were 30%! This is an outright attack by this government on the hospitality industry. Covid is not destroying this country, the government is.
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26/11/2020 11:02:22 9 14
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Is this the same "darkest of moments" they have warned about every month for the past 9 months or is this a new one as I have lost track.
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Cam
26/11/2020 10:37:21 45 7
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Could start by not having the ludicrous beer duty laws.
Successive governments have routinely failed to understand the roll a good local pub has in the community.
They're far more important than the church for starters.
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26/11/2020 11:02:40 7 3
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I disagree. The church is very much an important part of the community and does a lot of good. Pubs are also essential for fostering community spirit and support, yet both pubs and churches are being penalised, despite the fact that they have mostly been excellent in their compliance with the Covid regulations.
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26/11/2020 10:59:59 12 18
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Pubs and restaurants have been shut for the last three weeks and infection rates have started to fall, how much more evidence do they want
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26/11/2020 11:03:49 4 16
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nonsense pubs are dangerous places
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26/11/2020 11:13:40 4 0
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Did you spill my pint....
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26/11/2020 11:32:52 7 0
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Thanks for publicly demonstrating your lack of intelligence
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26/11/2020 11:04:14 3 15
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It ought to be obvious to anyone that a pub is never going to cope with distancing.

Why is the EU trying to keep ski resorts shut? Same reason. What happened in the ski resorts in February / March?
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26/11/2020 11:05:49 66 5
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Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
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26/11/2020 11:09:18 46 4
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Exactly, a good pub is a massive asset to its local community.
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26/11/2020 11:09:45 1 18
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oh a mental health crisisbecause of beer,thought it was only fish that caused that
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26/11/2020 11:17:56 1 5
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The sad thing is that pubs would be safe if people kept to their own groups and socially distanced from other drinkers.
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26/11/2020 11:20:49 11 1
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It is not the good pubs that are the problem. It is the ones allowing idiots to carry on as if there is no problem.
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26/11/2020 16:51:11 3 1
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Pubs are also an important part of this country's heritage, both in urban and rural areas.
And a living, breathing, vibrant part of it. We can go and look at old buildings and museums, but the pub is a rare example of a part of our heritage that's still alive.
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26/11/2020 11:08:09 4 7
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Th best idea I've heard about pubs is not to implement a closing time which encourages speed drinking and to spill out onto the streets at the same time. But to institute a last entry time say 10PM then people would hopefully manage their consumption better and disperse at different times.
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26/11/2020 11:01:09 12 25
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Keep pubs shut. If you need a drink buy it from the supermarket and drink at home. Roughly 4 pints for a fiver. Not only cheaper but this way there won't be a ny virus spreading. WIN /WIN
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26/11/2020 11:08:16 16 5
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Tell that to the thousands of people who work in the industry that will loose their jobs that its ok, beer is cheaper in the supermarket. Most of the people commenting probably haven't been in to a pub for years let alone seen how safe some of these covid secure pubs are compared to mass groups of kids walking home from school or scrums in the supermarkets.
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26/11/2020 11:13:12 1 5
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Your name says a lot.
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Hex
26/11/2020 11:08:48 17 3
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Other than during eat out to help out pubs were empty anyway, most socially distanced places I've ever seen.
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26/11/2020 11:09:02 5 31
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Anyone voting down comments on here are either alcoholics or have c£&p home lives.
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26/11/2020 11:16:43 10 6
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or tedious killjoys who ignore the facts
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26/11/2020 11:05:49 66 5
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Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
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26/11/2020 11:09:18 46 4
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Exactly, a good pub is a massive asset to its local community.
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ps
26/11/2020 11:19:36 2 15
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Unfortunately, there are not to many "good pubs" around.
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26/11/2020 11:05:49 66 5
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Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
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26/11/2020 11:09:45 1 18
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oh a mental health crisisbecause of beer,thought it was only fish that caused that
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26/11/2020 10:42:37 11 20
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Surely closing pubs is the lesser of two evils?
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26/11/2020 11:11:46 3 12
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if they go bust someone will reopen after this vaccine arrives
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26/11/2020 11:12:25 9 19
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If you are that desperate for a drink, brew your own.
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26/11/2020 11:08:16 16 5
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Tell that to the thousands of people who work in the industry that will loose their jobs that its ok, beer is cheaper in the supermarket. Most of the people commenting probably haven't been in to a pub for years let alone seen how safe some of these covid secure pubs are compared to mass groups of kids walking home from school or scrums in the supermarkets.
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26/11/2020 11:13:12 1 5
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Your name says a lot.
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26/11/2020 11:03:49 4 16
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nonsense pubs are dangerous places
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26/11/2020 11:13:40 4 0
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Did you spill my pint....
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26/11/2020 11:09:02 5 31
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Anyone voting down comments on here are either alcoholics or have c£&p home lives.
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26/11/2020 11:16:43 10 6
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or tedious killjoys who ignore the facts
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26/11/2020 13:24:42 0 1
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Self-absorbed, ignorant, patronizing, destructive and covidiotic zealots (who ignore the facts but listen to the voice of their inflated egos, giving them a lovely but thoroughly unmerited feeling of moral superiority)
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26/11/2020 10:35:24 15 21
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I like a drink myself but pubs offer ideal conditions for cross contamination and no way would I enter a pub at present.
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26/11/2020 11:17:13 14 3
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Garbage, pubs are covid secure.
Unlike schools etc who are driving this virus. Hospitality is the political football in all of this.
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26/11/2020 11:05:49 66 5
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Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
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26/11/2020 11:17:56 1 5
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The sad thing is that pubs would be safe if people kept to their own groups and socially distanced from other drinkers.
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26/11/2020 12:06:42 4 3
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All the pubs in our home counties area that I visited between the lockdowns were sticking to the rules and the customers observing them. It is seemed to be city centre pubs that were the problem.
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26/11/2020 10:37:34 7 27
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pubs and hospitality are responsible for the spread of the virus
You really are an uneducated moron Removed
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ps
26/11/2020 11:18:25 8 19
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If you drink, your inhibitions are lowered and your decision making is impaired. Not rocket science to see why there have been tough restrictions on pubs. My local has a detrimental impact on the immediate community, light polution, noise, violence and vomit on the pavements. I am not looking forward to the easing of restrictions on 2/12.
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26/11/2020 11:26:30 15 2
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I think that says more about the people in your neighbourhood than it does about pubs in general.
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26/11/2020 11:48:34 4 2
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You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
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26/11/2020 11:18:51 9 26
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If pubs are a petri dish for Covid, then it's an industry that will have to close and reopen in a new form, after a vaccine is successfully implemented. Pubs aren't 'essential' for anyone except owners and employees.
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26/11/2020 12:12:55 6 4
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"If pubs are a petri dish for Covid"

there not, not even close and they are very much essential to the British way of life, your views are in the tiniest of minority not even worth consideration but unfortunately there are people like you in SAGE who want nothing less than prohibition and that went well didn't it ?
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26/11/2020 11:09:18 46 4
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Exactly, a good pub is a massive asset to its local community.
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ps
26/11/2020 11:19:36 2 15
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Unfortunately, there are not to many "good pubs" around.
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26/11/2020 11:20:35 5 19
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Pour me pour me pour me another. Hospitality whilst being hardest hit have also received the most support. Will all pubs close at the end of this? No. Why will some survive and other perish? Because they were better run by individuals who understand that you need to fix your roof when the sun is shining.
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26/11/2020 11:05:49 66 5
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Pub industry warns it faces 'darkest of moments' and its going to get darker as so many pubs will close for good. The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities.
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26/11/2020 11:20:49 11 1
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It is not the good pubs that are the problem. It is the ones allowing idiots to carry on as if there is no problem.
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26/11/2020 11:01:09 12 25
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Keep pubs shut. If you need a drink buy it from the supermarket and drink at home. Roughly 4 pints for a fiver. Not only cheaper but this way there won't be a ny virus spreading. WIN /WIN
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26/11/2020 11:20:52 2 5
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Pub bores often don't have an audience at home.
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26/11/2020 10:55:30 8 31
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The only sensible option is to close the pubs until after this disaster is over, but the people who cannot go one day without drinking alcohol would have to be forced by law to manage this.
What a moron.
Punish the sector that is not responsible and hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs.
Schools should close and remote learning used instead, they are the real spreaders.

Still at least we can all be thankful that you will never be in a position to drive policy
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26/11/2020 10:58:24 65 5
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At my local, you book your table online, when you arrive at the pub you are greeted at the door by a member of staff who then escorts you to your table ( all wearing masks), you then order your food and drink using the app which is then delivered to your table.
They can't be anymore compliant!
More than can be said for the supermarkets.
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26/11/2020 11:25:10 30 3
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Very well said.
Sadly too many of the brain dead sheep on here won't let facts get in the way of their rants
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ps
26/11/2020 11:18:25 8 19
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If you drink, your inhibitions are lowered and your decision making is impaired. Not rocket science to see why there have been tough restrictions on pubs. My local has a detrimental impact on the immediate community, light polution, noise, violence and vomit on the pavements. I am not looking forward to the easing of restrictions on 2/12.
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26/11/2020 11:26:30 15 2
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I think that says more about the people in your neighbourhood than it does about pubs in general.
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26/11/2020 11:28:18 20 3
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I would give all of my fame for a pot of ale and safety.
William Shakespeare
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26/11/2020 11:03:49 4 16
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nonsense pubs are dangerous places
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26/11/2020 11:32:52 7 0
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Thanks for publicly demonstrating your lack of intelligence
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26/11/2020 12:09:27 0 0
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Oh, you can see that demonstrated multiple times on a daily basis from good old Never Trust.....
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stu
26/11/2020 11:36:52 12 2
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An yet MP's get a pay rise ...
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26/11/2020 13:21:31 1 1
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Hasn't Boris put a block on that?
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26/11/2020 11:40:00 32 2
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Resigned to the fact that the government has no idea how the virus is spreading. Scientists spend their days in labs and probably hardly ever use a pub or social club. Not be long before the country is devoid of it's social fabric. Well done Boris! Let's even up the North & South??
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26/11/2020 12:07:23 3 23
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Cueman - you seem to have all the answers. Lets hear it then - your foolproof analysis to stop the virus killing a million people with no boundaries, barriers or querks and keeping the economy going seamlessly with no job losses.

If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
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26/11/2020 11:40:17 3 12
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Given the mechanism of CV transmission it defies logic to permit any non essential venue the opportunity to host even small numbers of people while R is at or above 1. Pubs, sports stadiums, bling parlours, restaurants, garden centres etc are hardly essential enterprises & in any case traditional pubs closed years ago or converted to noisy eateries selling EuroFizz - ugh.
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26/11/2020 13:20:39 0 1
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Hang on. Sports grounds are outside, when THE VYRUSS doesn't prosper and a wide separation can be maintained.

Do you want us allt o live in a prison?
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26/11/2020 11:41:44 38 2
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Lots of anti pubs rhetoric on here, if you don't want to go to the pub don't. If you do want to go! Simples.
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26/11/2020 14:28:01 7 2
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But the erratic lunatics running the country won't let us!
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26/11/2020 11:42:44 3 23
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Oh the loss of those highly skilled irreplaceable high value jobs will be devasting for the economy, how will we cope.
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26/11/2020 12:00:13 20 1
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Pete, get a grip! Anyone with a job that pays taxes on their earnings and spending and provides for themselves and/or their family is of high value to the country. Maybe you don't drink in pubs, stay in hotels, or want your roads swept and bins emptied but you need to see the big picture.
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26/11/2020 12:20:25 3 2
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Idiot!!! 20% of the Uk employment is in hospitality think on that for a while!!???
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26/11/2020 11:18:25 8 19
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If you drink, your inhibitions are lowered and your decision making is impaired. Not rocket science to see why there have been tough restrictions on pubs. My local has a detrimental impact on the immediate community, light polution, noise, violence and vomit on the pavements. I am not looking forward to the easing of restrictions on 2/12.
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26/11/2020 11:48:34 4 2
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You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
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26/11/2020 11:53:12 23 3
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Pete, the loss of the VAT, the loss of the tourists, the empty premises boarded up in our towns. The loss of business rates to the councils and the loss of jobs, yes it is devastating for the economy. Get real.
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26/11/2020 11:42:44 3 23
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Oh the loss of those highly skilled irreplaceable high value jobs will be devasting for the economy, how will we cope.
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26/11/2020 12:00:13 20 1
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Pete, get a grip! Anyone with a job that pays taxes on their earnings and spending and provides for themselves and/or their family is of high value to the country. Maybe you don't drink in pubs, stay in hotels, or want your roads swept and bins emptied but you need to see the big picture.
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26/11/2020 12:01:48 6 17
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Anyone who's been in a busy pub at closing time knows the fizzy stuff has taken it's full effect and peoples' inhibitions go out the window. The opportunity to spread the virus is huge.
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26/11/2020 12:06:30 13 4
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Except the data does not back that up quite the opposite.
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TC
26/11/2020 12:04:19 13 2
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I can't see many MPs who vote for this being too welcome in pubs going forward.
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26/11/2020 13:18:26 5 1
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From Pete Brown (I think) or Peter Haydon: the people who legislate about [against] pubs don'tt go to them.
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26/11/2020 12:05:54 36 3
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A lot of people who post on here seem to believe the human race should remain in hiding until a magic vaccine appears that can protect them from all ills and anybody not part of their fantasy is a clearly an evil degenerate.
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26/11/2020 12:07:19 5 14
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The pub trade say they are not the cause of outbreaks - tell that to the 55 people in Ceredigion who caught it in two pubs - an outbreak that has led to 13 schools closing.
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26/11/2020 12:11:14 10 4
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More likely the schools spread it to the pubs!
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26/11/2020 11:40:00 32 2
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Resigned to the fact that the government has no idea how the virus is spreading. Scientists spend their days in labs and probably hardly ever use a pub or social club. Not be long before the country is devoid of it's social fabric. Well done Boris! Let's even up the North & South??
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26/11/2020 12:07:23 3 23
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Cueman - you seem to have all the answers. Lets hear it then - your foolproof analysis to stop the virus killing a million people with no boundaries, barriers or querks and keeping the economy going seamlessly with no job losses.

If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
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26/11/2020 12:46:02 6 1
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You cannot look at Covid in isolation... deaths are being caused by lack of routine hospital appointments, cecline in mental health as a direct result of lockdown on small businesses... for a virus that has by enlarge struck the older generation - we should have spent the £ on protecting them and let others carry on with life.

Beware how difficult it will be to wrestle these controls from UK GOV.
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26/11/2020 12:08:12 35 5
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I am frankly aghast & disgusted that so many places are in Tier 3. The hospitality industry is on its knees. Landlords are in tears, at their wits end (& worse) looking at bankrupcy right now! We are looking at thousands of pubs that will go to the wall. These are often the social hub of a village.This is beyond unacceptable now Boris. Get a grip, accept that death rate is a bit higher than normal
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26/11/2020 13:15:25 14 2
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The death rate isn't even higher than the 5 year average anymore
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26/11/2020 15:13:03 2 3
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Not such a wise one....
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26/11/2020 12:02:57 44 3
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I don;t see why quiet, well behaved country and provincial pubs have top be closed while super spreading universities and schools are open.
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26/11/2020 13:36:23 3 14
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Because the young have suffered enough. Are you seriously suggesting we significantly disadvantage a generation's education and social development to prevent a few geriatric deaths?

What is wrong is not being open about this trade off and being quick to blame few students

The government should also be saying that Christmas rules will inevitably cost lives and cause another lockdown but they wont
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26/11/2020 12:05:00 24 3
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Pete 11;42
"Oh the loss of those highly skilled irreplaceable high value jobs will be devasting for the economy, how will we cope"
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Take a little google about and see how this sector contributes to the economy in the round and you might find that your simplistic ill educated comment bears no relation to reality.

The education system has a lot to answer for.
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27/11/2020 21:48:48 0 0
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Indeed, quite agree. The biggest industries in this country is banking/investment, Universities/research, the hospitality industry and tourism. Fishing is 1%, agriculture, around 5% and manufacturing just under 11%. Seems some people do not read newspapers or use the internet for anything but shopping! Some peoples reality is based on twatter, fishbook and what Boris says!
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26/11/2020 12:10:45 21 2
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So it isn't about 2 thirds, it's 99% of the population of England that will be in tier's 2&3 makes a mockery of a "regional lockdown" plan.

I do feel for publicans and I hope they can survive, we need to get vaccines approved and delivered to start the "herd immunity" that will end this.
92
26/11/2020 12:57:20 7 1
bbc
You don't need a vaccine to get herd immunity, you just need a controlled spread.
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26/11/2020 13:14:13 4 1
bbc
i agree friend its the shotest route..I am getting fed up with having no life ..might as well be dead.
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Cam
26/11/2020 10:37:21 45 7
bbc
Could start by not having the ludicrous beer duty laws.
Successive governments have routinely failed to understand the roll a good local pub has in the community.
They're far more important than the church for starters.
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26/11/2020 12:05:00 4 0
bbc
I would say they are both important parts of Britain's heritage and culture. Most vicars can be regularly found in their local pub, because the patrons will also be part of the community, and the Church exists for the benefit of all in the community, not necessarily just regular church attendees.
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26/11/2020 12:01:48 6 17
bbc
Anyone who's been in a busy pub at closing time knows the fizzy stuff has taken it's full effect and peoples' inhibitions go out the window. The opportunity to spread the virus is huge.
65
26/11/2020 12:06:30 13 4
bbc
Except the data does not back that up quite the opposite.
110
26/11/2020 13:18:55 1 1
bbc
I'd quite like to see these data.
34
26/11/2020 11:17:56 1 5
bbc
The sad thing is that pubs would be safe if people kept to their own groups and socially distanced from other drinkers.
66
26/11/2020 12:06:42 4 3
bbc
All the pubs in our home counties area that I visited between the lockdowns were sticking to the rules and the customers observing them. It is seemed to be city centre pubs that were the problem.
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26/11/2020 16:55:46 2 0
bbc
I am not sure it's where the pubs are that is the problem. I think it's the age profile of the customers. I had the same experience as you between lockdowns until the very last week when i visited a pub which was predominantly full of young people. The pub had all the same procedures in place, I couldn't fault them, but the customers couldn't control themselves.
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26/11/2020 11:32:52 7 0
bbc
Thanks for publicly demonstrating your lack of intelligence
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26/11/2020 12:09:27 0 0
bbc
Oh, you can see that demonstrated multiple times on a daily basis from good old Never Trust.....
58
26/11/2020 12:07:19 5 14
bbc
The pub trade say they are not the cause of outbreaks - tell that to the 55 people in Ceredigion who caught it in two pubs - an outbreak that has led to 13 schools closing.
68
26/11/2020 12:11:14 10 4
bbc
More likely the schools spread it to the pubs!
69
26/11/2020 12:16:27 12 6
bbc
What a farce. Clearly schools and universities are the main source of new infections, not properly run pub restaurants. What was the point of eat put to help out undertaken at vast public expense. The government is clearly clueless. The only thing they have going for them is that the opposition is even more clueless. What a surprise London tier 2 many northern "regions" tier 3 hmmmm...
83
26/11/2020 12:45:12 2 5
bbc
Clearly haven't been past a JDW queues outside rammed inside, not helping image for responsibly run pubs.
90
26/11/2020 12:56:19 4 2
bbc
Yes it's obvious they haven't got a clue. Some places are being put into Tier 2 when their infection rates are less than a third of the national average. What will they have to do to get into Tier 1, kill everybody?
70
26/11/2020 12:12:16 2 1
bbc
why is it that when they start making a foreign lager here it has a horrid after taste and causes worse hangovers like UK lagers?

is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
86
26/11/2020 12:47:05 2 1
bbc
Yes a lot of countries have stricter brewing laws. If you tried to serve the kind of "lager" we have in this country in Germany, the Czech Republic etc you would likely be strung from the nearest lampost.
88
26/11/2020 12:50:30 1 0
bbc
There are three kinds of alcohol, one in particular causes hangovers and has a bad taste. Check it out.
157
26/11/2020 15:10:44 1 0
bbc
You should drink proper English ale. A thousand times better than eurofizz tasteless lager.
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26/11/2020 11:18:51 9 26
bbc
If pubs are a petri dish for Covid, then it's an industry that will have to close and reopen in a new form, after a vaccine is successfully implemented. Pubs aren't 'essential' for anyone except owners and employees.
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26/11/2020 12:12:55 6 4
bbc
"If pubs are a petri dish for Covid"

there not, not even close and they are very much essential to the British way of life, your views are in the tiniest of minority not even worth consideration but unfortunately there are people like you in SAGE who want nothing less than prohibition and that went well didn't it ?
51
26/11/2020 11:42:44 3 23
bbc
Oh the loss of those highly skilled irreplaceable high value jobs will be devasting for the economy, how will we cope.
72
26/11/2020 12:20:25 3 2
bbc
Idiot!!! 20% of the Uk employment is in hospitality think on that for a while!!???
73
26/11/2020 12:26:45 2 0
bbc
The Humber
West Yorkshire
South Yorkshire

Closed.....
74
26/11/2020 12:29:33 11 5
bbc
What a joke! Persecuting the hospitality industry, especially pubs is completely absurd! In my experience they are the most well run and 'covid safe' areas to be in when compared to say schools and universities. Businesses, livelihoods and possibly lives will be lost and the blame lies squarely on the Government's so called expert medical advisors - shame on you!
87
26/11/2020 12:48:38 1 0
bbc
Not all are like your experiences unfortunately.
107
26/11/2020 13:03:05 2 1
bbc
you are absolutely right friend
75
26/11/2020 12:29:37 2 0
bbc
My local pub which is closed is Not being charged rent while the Covid 19 means it is closed.
Is this the same for all brewery owned pubs.
76
26/11/2020 12:34:13 1 0
bbc
From today you probably cannot get a drink in a pub from Kent to Scotland.......
85
26/11/2020 12:46:27 3 2
bbc
Well you certainly won't get one in Scotland unless you go to the Highlands. The Governments of the UK are intent on destroying this sector, especially in Scotland.
77
26/11/2020 12:22:30 10 3
bbc
Matt Hancock;
" check the government web site to see what tier you are" (right now)

Government web site (right now) put yourpost code in to see what tier you are in.
Result;
"Sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties this is unavailable"

The incompetence is staggering !
79
26/11/2020 12:39:33 4 0
bbc
You don't need to enter your postcode, here's the list https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-of-local-restriction-tiers-by-area
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26/11/2020 12:36:54 9 1
bbc
The government's economy with the truth has caused confusion since day 1 of Covid 19. We're told pubs etc are receiving £biilions in various aid packages yet the industry is facing wholesale bankruptcy. Who is telling the truth?
196
27/11/2020 21:59:11 0 0
bbc
This government wouldn't recognise the truth if it was sat in front of them with TRUTH in big letters on it's jumper!
77
26/11/2020 12:22:30 10 3
bbc
Matt Hancock;
" check the government web site to see what tier you are" (right now)

Government web site (right now) put yourpost code in to see what tier you are in.
Result;
"Sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties this is unavailable"

The incompetence is staggering !
79
26/11/2020 12:39:33 4 0
bbc
You don't need to enter your postcode, here's the list https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-of-local-restriction-tiers-by-area
156
26/11/2020 15:09:02 1 1
bbc
Thanks for that. Checked it out, and it has resulted in my museum post above. :-)
80
26/11/2020 12:42:59 7 1
bbc
Pubs in Tier two have now been turned into glorified cafes no more no less. The essence of a pub first and foremost is to go and have a few drinks and meet friends .....eating in a pub is secondary.

Not everyone wants to eat in the pub and as they now charge "restaurant prices" many will collapse.

This decision will break the industry...however watch out for pub crawling
105
26/11/2020 13:00:38 0 1
bbc
yes true not many people want to eat in a pub bring back the cockles and mussel men
154
26/11/2020 15:08:20 1 1
bbc
Apparently drinks can only be served with a substantial meal. I am going to get my partner to say that I survive on quarter of a tin of baked beans a day, so a portion of chips is a substantial meal for me!
164
26/11/2020 15:41:43 0 1
bbc
A pint and a pie. Pure heaven.
81
26/11/2020 12:43:19 8 2
bbc
I will give you evidence from my local area... Wharton Arms, Bedlington and The Castle & Bubbles Wine Bar, Ashington ignoring the guidelines by being over their room fire limits and all three failing to keep records of who had visited. Two weeks later there were spikes in covid 19 cases in Bedlington West and Hirst, Ashington council areas.
A case of the few spoiling it for the many.
95
26/11/2020 13:01:45 5 1
bbc
This would be why rural Northumberland is in Tier 3, yet with very few cases :-(
Removed
82
26/11/2020 12:43:48 3 2
bbc
The real tragedy is that a good pub is at the very heart of a local community and so many will be lost thus devastating communities. I am a beef farmer and work seven days a week. On Saturdays I like to go for a few pints with my wife and sons. We normally slow cook a joint of meat enough for a beef in a bun. Other folk bring bread and salad etc. We all catch up and chew the fat etc. Community!
69
26/11/2020 12:16:27 12 6
bbc
What a farce. Clearly schools and universities are the main source of new infections, not properly run pub restaurants. What was the point of eat put to help out undertaken at vast public expense. The government is clearly clueless. The only thing they have going for them is that the opposition is even more clueless. What a surprise London tier 2 many northern "regions" tier 3 hmmmm...
83
26/11/2020 12:45:12 2 5
bbc
Clearly haven't been past a JDW queues outside rammed inside, not helping image for responsibly run pubs.
59
26/11/2020 12:07:23 3 23
bbc
Cueman - you seem to have all the answers. Lets hear it then - your foolproof analysis to stop the virus killing a million people with no boundaries, barriers or querks and keeping the economy going seamlessly with no job losses.

If you haven't got the answer, but like moaning about everyone else's ideas, then join the Labour party
84
26/11/2020 12:46:02 6 1
bbc
You cannot look at Covid in isolation... deaths are being caused by lack of routine hospital appointments, cecline in mental health as a direct result of lockdown on small businesses... for a virus that has by enlarge struck the older generation - we should have spent the £ on protecting them and let others carry on with life.

Beware how difficult it will be to wrestle these controls from UK GOV.
76
26/11/2020 12:34:13 1 0
bbc
From today you probably cannot get a drink in a pub from Kent to Scotland.......
85
26/11/2020 12:46:27 3 2
bbc
Well you certainly won't get one in Scotland unless you go to the Highlands. The Governments of the UK are intent on destroying this sector, especially in Scotland.
98
26/11/2020 13:05:38 2 0
bbc
Forgot that Scotland is locked down, The Hebrides still open ???
104
26/11/2020 13:15:34 2 0
bbc
Well, that's Devolution for you.
70
26/11/2020 12:12:16 2 1
bbc
why is it that when they start making a foreign lager here it has a horrid after taste and causes worse hangovers like UK lagers?

is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
86
26/11/2020 12:47:05 2 1
bbc
Yes a lot of countries have stricter brewing laws. If you tried to serve the kind of "lager" we have in this country in Germany, the Czech Republic etc you would likely be strung from the nearest lampost.
74
26/11/2020 12:29:33 11 5
bbc
What a joke! Persecuting the hospitality industry, especially pubs is completely absurd! In my experience they are the most well run and 'covid safe' areas to be in when compared to say schools and universities. Businesses, livelihoods and possibly lives will be lost and the blame lies squarely on the Government's so called expert medical advisors - shame on you!
87
26/11/2020 12:48:38 1 0
bbc
Not all are like your experiences unfortunately.
70
26/11/2020 12:12:16 2 1
bbc
why is it that when they start making a foreign lager here it has a horrid after taste and causes worse hangovers like UK lagers?

is it something they can get away with here but not outside the UK?
88
26/11/2020 12:50:30 1 0
bbc
There are three kinds of alcohol, one in particular causes hangovers and has a bad taste. Check it out.
89
26/11/2020 12:44:37 6 2
bbc
Its not the Goverment, its not the pubs, its People. A small number of irresponsible idiots ignored the rules ( yes you ) and spoilt it for the rest of us. We were only asked to keep to sensible easy to follow rules whilst having a drink/meal out but some could'nt resist gathering in numbers or moving from one table to another. I spotted 20+ together (yes 20 +) in one pub.
93
26/11/2020 12:59:25 4 3
bbc
Meanwhile it was shown on live television that hundreds piled out onto the streets at 10pm and partied in the street for 30 minutes before dispersing.
They closed their own public houses and bars by their own actions.
69
26/11/2020 12:16:27 12 6
bbc
What a farce. Clearly schools and universities are the main source of new infections, not properly run pub restaurants. What was the point of eat put to help out undertaken at vast public expense. The government is clearly clueless. The only thing they have going for them is that the opposition is even more clueless. What a surprise London tier 2 many northern "regions" tier 3 hmmmm...
90
26/11/2020 12:56:19 4 2
bbc
Yes it's obvious they haven't got a clue. Some places are being put into Tier 2 when their infection rates are less than a third of the national average. What will they have to do to get into Tier 1, kill everybody?
91
26/11/2020 12:56:36 26 2
bbc
Really don't understand it,Three households can party over Christmas,but i cant have a couple of pints,in my local,sitting on my own ,reading the paper after work.
Utterly Ridiculous!
63
26/11/2020 12:10:45 21 2
bbc
So it isn't about 2 thirds, it's 99% of the population of England that will be in tier's 2&3 makes a mockery of a "regional lockdown" plan.

I do feel for publicans and I hope they can survive, we need to get vaccines approved and delivered to start the "herd immunity" that will end this.
92
26/11/2020 12:57:20 7 1
bbc
You don't need a vaccine to get herd immunity, you just need a controlled spread.
106
26/11/2020 13:17:11 3 1
bbc
Like that which is going on in the US ?
89
26/11/2020 12:44:37 6 2
bbc
Its not the Goverment, its not the pubs, its People. A small number of irresponsible idiots ignored the rules ( yes you ) and spoilt it for the rest of us. We were only asked to keep to sensible easy to follow rules whilst having a drink/meal out but some could'nt resist gathering in numbers or moving from one table to another. I spotted 20+ together (yes 20 +) in one pub.
93
26/11/2020 12:59:25 4 3
bbc
Meanwhile it was shown on live television that hundreds piled out onto the streets at 10pm and partied in the street for 30 minutes before dispersing.
They closed their own public houses and bars by their own actions.
152
26/11/2020 15:06:18 0 1
bbc
That was city centre pubs. Not your average country or suburban hostelry.
94
26/11/2020 13:01:30 14 1
bbc
The bottom for all lockdown fans is that if you keep shouting for long enough, there'll be nothing left to come out of hiding for. You will be locked indoors forever, vaccine or no vaccine.
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26/11/2020 12:43:19 8 2
bbc
I will give you evidence from my local area... Wharton Arms, Bedlington and The Castle & Bubbles Wine Bar, Ashington ignoring the guidelines by being over their room fire limits and all three failing to keep records of who had visited. Two weeks later there were spikes in covid 19 cases in Bedlington West and Hirst, Ashington council areas.
A case of the few spoiling it for the many.
95
26/11/2020 13:01:45 5 1
bbc
This would be why rural Northumberland is in Tier 3, yet with very few cases :-(
96
26/11/2020 13:02:35 4 1
bbc
Doesn't seem to make any sense as why same group of people in tier 2 area, can visit a pub & have meals with drinks, but not go into same pub & just have the same drinks but no meals.
Maybe I missed the science explaining how eating a meal in a pub protects people from passing on or being infected with the virus.
Personally I have no interest going into a pub, though nice to have one outside one.
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26/11/2020 11:01:09 12 25
bbc
Keep pubs shut. If you need a drink buy it from the supermarket and drink at home. Roughly 4 pints for a fiver. Not only cheaper but this way there won't be a ny virus spreading. WIN /WIN
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26/11/2020 13:03:11 0 1
bbc
What about those that go to the pub not to drink but for their social contact? I know many single folks old and young that meet friends in our local but some of them drink soft drinks and it may be the only person beyond the supermarket cashier they have seen all week. We forget that small village pubs are as much community centres as they are ale houses, can your supermarket give you that?
85
26/11/2020 12:46:27 3 2
bbc
Well you certainly won't get one in Scotland unless you go to the Highlands. The Governments of the UK are intent on destroying this sector, especially in Scotland.
98
26/11/2020 13:05:38 2 0
bbc
Forgot that Scotland is locked down, The Hebrides still open ???
99
26/11/2020 12:59:20 1 1
bbc
covid and the natural element of companionship and alcohol are at odds. its an evolution dillema and nature will get its way..all be it deaths while living your life . cant be helped.
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bob
26/11/2020 12:59:53 6 2
bbc
I run a small little rustic rural pub on Dartmoor which has been not just a pub, but a community hub since the 1620s. We have not received a single penny in government help, and the announcement today is most likely the final nail in the coffin. Ignoring my own financial hardship, I feel so sorry for all the amazing locals who rely on the pub for their own wellbeing. It's a really sad day.
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26/11/2020 13:19:07 5 2
bbc
Very sorry to hear that, 1620, wow, what a waste.
135
26/11/2020 14:09:05 2 2
bbc
Look on the upside 18 cans of stella £12..........what a country..WHAT A COUNTRY!!!!!
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27/11/2020 15:19:58 0 0
bbc
Hello Bob - which pub is yours? I go to Dartmoor lots - what you say makes me very sad and I hope you pull through - the government must help pubs stay open