Covid tiers 'a mortal blow' to hospitality
26/11/2020 | news | business | 2,780
One bar owner says 'it simply isn't viable' to operate under restrictions as English tiers are revealed.
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26/11/2020 15:39:18 9 16
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In Tier 2 households are not allowed to mix but they can go down the pub for a substantial meals with others
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26/11/2020 15:49:18 19 3
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No they can't. You can only sit down for a meal with members of your household/bubble.
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Pip
26/11/2020 15:49:25 7 1
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No they can't, only members of the same family, not enough tables in our pub for any 'others'..........?
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26/11/2020 16:12:13 1 3
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No they don't but you can book a holiday abroad for you all and travel on a cramped plane and socialise for two weeks in another country before coming back and not quarantining if you head for the right country.
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LG
26/11/2020 16:34:08 0 1
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Only outside if you fancy that in December!
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26/11/2020 15:42:00 25 29
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What do people expect? It was the young and stupid who went out and had a good time at the expense of others. Many pubs allowed their stupid behaviour (we've all seen the footage), then those same idiots hung around the streets. At least there will be less crime without the drunken louts on our streets
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26/11/2020 15:46:05 1 6
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Don't
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26/11/2020 15:47:56 9 2
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What, all of the rulebreakers were young and all of the young are rulebreakers? Let's please not generalise and start attacking whole groups - in a time of crisis, it's wholly unhelpful.
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26/11/2020 15:55:14 5 3
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You live by yourself don't you.
26/11/2020 21:01:43 3 0
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Or were told to go back to University/School, or told to go back to the office... or encouraged with cheap meals over the summer. Yes, lets blame one segment of society based on some very selective footage.
26/11/2020 22:41:40 0 0
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My only consolation is that you wil be taking the jab first
27/11/2020 00:18:48 0 0
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Less crime! Let's see if there is less crime when everyone is unemployed. Enjoy your pension you grumpy old man while the young ones pay to keep you safe.
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26/11/2020 15:42:31 672 86
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It makes no sense to me that pubs and restaurants in Tier 3 have to close but thousands can still flock to our local mall to do their Christmas shopping.
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26/11/2020 15:47:50 576 203
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Pubs and restaurants appear to the victim of a prejudice against alcohol consumption that’s long been the target of some medical experts and a puritanical view of people enjoying themselves
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26/11/2020 15:49:23 73 12
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Yes, I queued the other day just to go in Waitrose, then inside it was a free for all, all kinds of goof getting too close. I get bored saying back the fudge up.
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26/11/2020 16:07:04 7 31
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Yes they have more sense. They would rather buy there food and booze and take it home
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26/11/2020 16:21:14 64 78
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Absolutely spot on. Utterly ridiculous; Government seem hellbent on destroying the economy whilst hospital bed remain empty.
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26/11/2020 16:21:33 72 36
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It does make sense Stuey. In a shopping centre you are very unlikely to spend 15+ mins in close vicinity of the same people (apart from your companions). But in a restaurant you will, and will probably not be wearing a mask to boot.
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26/11/2020 16:22:18 65 30
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Of all the industries that the Government can choose, Hospitality has the has the greatest likelihood of people getting drunk and not socially-distancing.
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26/11/2020 16:25:43 13 18
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OK, sod them then! Open a free for all....and let them die! Simples!
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26/11/2020 16:29:45 32 12
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You can also go to the gym and spread snot and sweat amongst yourselves. Utter madness
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26/11/2020 16:40:18 19 8
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People are less inhibited on the pop. Raised voices, forget to keep apart. Quite different.
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26/11/2020 16:51:26 9 2
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Shopping and getting drunk down the pub... hmmm yes they're exactly the same.
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26/11/2020 16:52:47 18 7
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Shopping centres are open because people need to buy stuff. Pubs are not because they don't need to listen to a 19 year old mauling Ed Sheeran songs whilst drinking mojitos and sniffing other peoples BO.
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26/11/2020 16:59:12 4 8
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I do agree that a pub, where 40 odd tipsy strangers breathe in your face is probably not ideal, but if pubs are allowed to open, then other places should too, they're safe by definition! This is why people can't take this lockdown seriously anymore, it just doesn't make any sense at all.
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26/11/2020 17:15:09 0 2
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An exaggerated distortion of the facts- perhaps you’re thinking of running for parliament?
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26/11/2020 17:16:27 7 5
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Pub goers get pissed flout the rules and shoppers don't! Can't put it more simply than that!
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26/11/2020 15:43:34 5 9
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Being fair to Flair, its terrible for all those chefs who have trained years and years to be left with nothing.
I'm gonna rent me a house in Cornwall for the next few months though.
Ya know what I mean ?
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26/11/2020 15:57:39 4 2
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Yes.. you want to take the virus there so that they will need to join the rest of us in tier 2
26/11/2020 22:29:23 0 0
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No, I haven’t a clue what ‘ya mean,’ Waylon. And what’s being “fair to Flair?” Obviously I’m not ‘down with the kids,’ like you are.
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26/11/2020 15:44:52 4 27
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This is all about the Establishment making the Midlands and North pay for the their decision to leave the EU ........
Appression
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26/11/2020 15:48:06 11 2
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No, it's not "appression" (non-word, by the way).

Why would it be ? The government are Brexiteers themselves.

They are "following the science".
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26/11/2020 15:53:58 3 1
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The current government wants a no-deal Brexit. And, by the way, I think you mean "oppression".
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26/11/2020 16:00:29 2 1
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As (I assume fellow) northerner, it's really not.
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LG
26/11/2020 16:23:37 1 1
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I wish this were true but why would the pro leave "establishment" punish their loyal flock?
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26/11/2020 15:45:05 14 12
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While i feel bad for anyone who has lost their jobs, Hospitality was the benefactor with the "Eat out to Help Out" - if you want to talk about 'Brunt's' lets talk about the holiday/Cruise and especially the now non existent aviation industry this country once had.

As soon as lock down's over, pubs will be full.. airplanes wont.
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Pip
26/11/2020 15:46:57 19 6
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There won't be any pubs to fill.........?
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26/11/2020 15:53:36 2 1
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And what about coach tour operators who have neither had grants or a business rates holiday.
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26/11/2020 16:16:12 1 1
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Most pubs got nothing from the eat out to help out so your point is invalid.
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26/11/2020 15:42:00 25 29
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What do people expect? It was the young and stupid who went out and had a good time at the expense of others. Many pubs allowed their stupid behaviour (we've all seen the footage), then those same idiots hung around the streets. At least there will be less crime without the drunken louts on our streets
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26/11/2020 15:46:05 1 6
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Don't
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26/11/2020 15:46:25 475 60
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So many pubs will become empty shells....never to return.

Plus THOUSANDS of job losses....

Can put any spin on this you like....

It's not good....
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26/11/2020 15:56:18 164 251
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In normal times, hospitality is a money spinner.. they won’t stay closed for long once this is over
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26/11/2020 16:09:58 49 2
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It is worse than that. Landlords like "Ei Partnerships" (aka Enterprise Inns), Punch Taverns, etc., have been charging their tenants full commercial rent throughout the period they were shut in order to drive them into bankruptcy. Their long-term goal is to get change of usage, which, because it is difficult to get, is easier to get if tenants have gone bankrupt.
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26/11/2020 16:12:55 25 3
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It's been happening for years, no spinning required. Many old pubs are now McDonalds.
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26/11/2020 16:43:29 8 2
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Reduced incomes -> increased poverty -> health problems -> more early deaths than due to Cvd19
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26/11/2020 16:51:43 4 6
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Pubs were closing at quite a rate pre- Covid, especially those that served no food. Those that survive will be the ones that went into Covid in a strong financial position and their business levels will rebound immediately. Just need to see through these next few months until vaccines are administered. Almost, but not quite, there!
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26/11/2020 17:11:12 0 11
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Good
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26/11/2020 17:31:42 0 3
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In NW London all the pubs have become Indian restaurants anyway. I'll miss a good curry though.
26/11/2020 17:53:17 1 3
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They were before Covid due to exorbitant prices for both food & drink. When your pound is stretched, you stay home.
26/11/2020 19:01:23 1 3
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on the other hand
your welcome for not being dead
26/11/2020 19:04:47 1 4
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It is life! Things happen and we the people rise above it. Time to stop all this bleating and help one-another out,
frankly put!
26/11/2020 19:45:10 1 1
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The positive from this is the massive pub companies will be forced to sell off pubs very cheaply.

Great opportunity for experienced landlords to buy their own pub and operate a freehouse away from the financial handcuffs of being "tied".

Bring it on !!!
26/11/2020 19:52:44 1 3
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People can't be trusted not to get steaming and forget to socially distance. It makes sense. Blame the general public for being morons.
26/11/2020 19:59:05 2 2
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Right now I wouldn't go to a pub whether they are open or not, but when all this is over, I will feel inclined to:

(a) give my custom to those pubs and other businesses that have exercised patience, restraint and an acceptance of the need for restrictions during the pandemic;

(b) avoid the ones who have clamoured loudly to be allowed to operate as if everything was normal, when it clearly isn't.
26/11/2020 20:34:59 1 1
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And when demand returns so will hospitality, welcome to capitalism.
26/11/2020 20:51:16 1 0
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We were told that there will be loads more redundancy earlier in the week now we know where they are Comming from
26/11/2020 21:41:03 0 2
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Yes, you are right: it is not good . . . . but neither is Covod-19. It's a binary choice: let covid kill millions or absolute total lockdown for several months. There is no 'half-way house'.
26/11/2020 22:13:02 0 3
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Who cares ? trust me pal, not many actually give a F ! so many closed after the smoking ban and now the rest will mostly follow.
Good riddance.
And the NHS are probably quite happy about this as well, they don't have to deal with 25'000 A&E victims of drunken violence every Friday & Saturday.
Good riddance pubs RIP.
26/11/2020 22:21:06 0 3
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Less pubs actually is a good thing. People might get a life.
26/11/2020 23:15:32 1 0
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Those empty shells will be sold on the cheap in the next year or two, to the rich.

Don't think that there isn't a plan behind all actions this government takes.
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26/11/2020 15:46:27 362 35
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So, in the north west, it's illegal to go out for tea with one friend at a social distance. Yet it is allowed to go to a packed Trafford Centre with thousands of other to shop. Make it make sense.
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26/11/2020 16:08:47 206 116
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I think it's because you would be sitting opposite your friend for a long period of time, talking face to face and potentially spreading the virus to each other every time you speak or laugh. You probably wouldn't be doing that with strangers in the Trafford Centre, who hopefully would wear masks, therefore would be less likely to inhale virus droplets. I think that's the science behind it.
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26/11/2020 16:09:09 26 18
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The directors of the shops in the TRafford Centre are more likely to donate to the Tory party than cafe and pub owners.
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26/11/2020 16:22:02 29 4
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It gets better. Parts of Lancashire dumped in Tier 3 for convenience when their rates are lower than every London borough and Liverpool. Laughable
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26/11/2020 16:34:29 8 12
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It's about reducing contact points, pubs will have higher mixing rates by the very nature of being a social event. Shops should be banned as well but is not needed if the infection rate is under control. Sadly when pubs plus shops are open the infection rate grows rather than stays stable.
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26/11/2020 16:52:57 4 2
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Wait while Primarni opens
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26/11/2020 17:39:59 0 2
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And all the staff in your local school are face to face with kids ( known spreaders) for around 6 hours a day.
26/11/2020 19:23:19 1 1
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Well yes of course it is because Boris since day one hasn’t had a clue what he’s doing. Even less so now his adviser has walked out on him, “Boris i may be some time”.
26/11/2020 21:46:03 0 0
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Blimey I thought the Trafford centre was a lot bigger than a tiny little coffee shop
26/11/2020 23:15:51 0 0
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The owners of the Trafford Centre are probably Tory donors.
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26/11/2020 15:45:05 14 12
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While i feel bad for anyone who has lost their jobs, Hospitality was the benefactor with the "Eat out to Help Out" - if you want to talk about 'Brunt's' lets talk about the holiday/Cruise and especially the now non existent aviation industry this country once had.

As soon as lock down's over, pubs will be full.. airplanes wont.
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Pip
26/11/2020 15:46:57 19 6
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There won't be any pubs to fill.........?
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26/11/2020 15:51:35 3 4
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Yes there will.
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26/11/2020 15:47:21 268 39
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We have had excellent service and meals in the restaurants we ate at since they reopened and this lock down - Everybody was so considerate, yet the goofs that go out getting drunk and pratting around the streets have caused so many problems - I do feel sorry for all the staff that will lose jobs and the chefs after all that training, they've been dumped on the shelf until when ??
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26/11/2020 15:58:59 210 61
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The thing is there is no evidence pubs need to be closed due to drunk goofs. None at all. Its just the line being "implied" as even the government won't state that's their reasoning as they know people will point to the data that doesn't reflect back that up.

I'm a 41 year old family man so I'm not being defensive.
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26/11/2020 16:16:40 15 3
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Not forgetting the protests throughout summer....
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26/11/2020 16:27:29 12 2
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Not just the drunks, the imbeciles that come into shops and dart in beside store workers and think they’re invincible cause they have a mask on. 2 metres is 2 metres
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26/11/2020 16:36:32 6 19
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Goofs? Haven't heard that for a while. The voice of a pompous restaurant patron perhaps?
26/11/2020 18:01:31 1 2
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Marked you down for your comment about "the goofs". Where do you imagine people are most at risk of catching Covid? In the open are (the streets)? - No. Hospitals - they're good - responsible for 23% of all new cases. Workplaces, schools, colleges, family homes - they're the sources for the bulk of the rest.
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26/11/2020 15:47:38 30 11
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If I can walk round the supermarket with aisles full of people it should be fine for pubs to be open in a secure way.
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26/11/2020 15:50:52 12 22
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Fully agree, especially as the vulnerable age groups are clogging up supermarket aisles like there is no tomorrow. Bring back the first lock-down, they were not seen and made shopping a nice event.
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26/11/2020 16:04:57 3 6
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I think the difference is that in the supermarket, even if the aisles are busier than they should be, we don't usually stand around socialising and having long face to face conversations. The virus spreads most easily, unfortunately, when we are in prolonged close contact indoors socialising, talking and laughing with other people.
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26/11/2020 15:42:31 672 86
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It makes no sense to me that pubs and restaurants in Tier 3 have to close but thousands can still flock to our local mall to do their Christmas shopping.
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26/11/2020 15:47:50 576 203
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Pubs and restaurants appear to the victim of a prejudice against alcohol consumption that’s long been the target of some medical experts and a puritanical view of people enjoying themselves
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26/11/2020 16:08:31 107 132
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In a shopping centre people wear masks and distance. They usually talk quietly. In a pub people can't wear masks and tend to speak loudly, in a confined space where distancing is often impossible.

It's science.
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26/11/2020 16:15:55 89 51
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There is a somewhat worrying puritanical streak to the coronavirus regulations, as if the disease would magically disappear if we were all pious enough.
Unfortunately, the thrill of telling others what to do is exactly what attracts large numbers of people into supporting them and calling for more rules harsher punishments.
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JML
26/11/2020 16:36:01 5 2
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Lots of other countries taking exactly the same view
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26/11/2020 16:42:32 16 9
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Nonsense. Just look at how CV spreads and people behave on the fizzy. Pubs are bearing the brunt. Wrong trade at the wrong time. It'll be back,
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26/11/2020 16:50:05 20 12
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Because people aren't rolling around drunk in a shopping mall, it's a logical decision to make. People drink and loose their inhibitions in a cosy warm pub which a lot of the time isn't 'covid safe'. Pubs and bars have been an obvious catalyst all throughout this pandemic. Anyone that thinks otherwise is either a landlord or very very naive.
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26/11/2020 16:52:51 18 5
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Saying it not spraying it goes out the window when folk have more than 2 pints in a pub, you’re absolutely blinkered if you can’t see that.
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26/11/2020 17:07:19 1 4
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Totally agree plus on top of that a couple greedy landlord's not adeering to no social distancing etc. The government is clamping down. Plus this government is determined to get rid of the old fasharned drinkers pubs.
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26/11/2020 17:09:32 0 5
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The concern may be for people getting drunk and forgetting to social distance or obey other Covid rules. Although supermarkets are still allowed to sell alcohol so people can get drunk at home, which seems a bit inconsistent.
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26/11/2020 17:10:21 2 5
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Try living in Scotland.

Sturgeon and her cult are behaving like the puritans with their war on alcohol.
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26/11/2020 15:47:51 15 13
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If more people followed the Covid rules instead of being self self self, we would not be in this sorry situation.....
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26/11/2020 15:42:00 25 29
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What do people expect? It was the young and stupid who went out and had a good time at the expense of others. Many pubs allowed their stupid behaviour (we've all seen the footage), then those same idiots hung around the streets. At least there will be less crime without the drunken louts on our streets
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26/11/2020 15:47:56 9 2
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What, all of the rulebreakers were young and all of the young are rulebreakers? Let's please not generalise and start attacking whole groups - in a time of crisis, it's wholly unhelpful.
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26/11/2020 15:48:15 166 82
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We sit and watch or country being economically destroyed all because of a few extra deaths of the typically very old with other underlying medical conditions. I for one am disgusted at our lack of fortitude.
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26/11/2020 15:49:42 38 79
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Protecting tory voters.
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26/11/2020 15:51:42 18 25
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73,000 and rising is 'a few'?
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26/11/2020 15:54:25 12 9
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And quite a lot of the medical staff who have to look after those who do not take this seriously
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26/11/2020 15:56:22 19 15
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It's not just the deaths. It's the fact that CV19 if left unchecked will fill all available hospital beds as it leaves far more people than 'flu requiring hospitalisation. In order to maintain other much needed NHS services this time round you have to control the spread of the virus.
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26/11/2020 16:14:14 13 35
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Incredibly callous view, hang your head in shame. I suspect you have not suffered the loss of a loved elderly relative to this Virus. Hardly "a few extra deaths". And while the older generation are impacted more, particularly those with health issues already, its a crass and idiotic statement to imply that older people are apparently expendable in the grand scheme of things. Older Lives Matter.
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26/11/2020 16:16:10 16 26
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It isn't a lack of fortitude but avoiding the catastrophe of the NHS collapsing. My daughter is a doctor in a central London hospital and she said it was like a war zone with the hospital rammed with dying patients. Maybe spend some time on a Covid ward and see what you think then.
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26/11/2020 17:36:56 0 7
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And I am disgusted by your attitude. Few extra deaths who cares, really....
26/11/2020 17:47:18 2 1
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even without virus obv old die no one going to live forever
26/11/2020 18:21:24 1 7
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Doesn't matter the age of the people dying.... and shameful to think it does. The 'very old' have paid in to the system that supports us all and deserve, along with everyone else the best care and the best attention
It's just wrong to see them as a disposable commodity and a shame on our society
26/11/2020 19:10:23 2 1
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I abolutely agree. I dread to think what would happen if there were a real crisis.

I liken the current situation to the country grinding to a halt when we get 1 inch of snow on the ground. What ever happened to keeping calm and carrying on?

People don't seem to realise that the deaths so far this year are within the normal ranges since 2000.
26/11/2020 20:43:42 0 0
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Yet there you are whining because you can’t go to the pub...
26/11/2020 21:33:17 0 1
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So you’re happy to sentence to death a particular group of people to fit your ideology. Seem to recall someone else did this and it didn’t work out too well for them. How are your elderly relatives?
26/11/2020 22:02:31 0 0
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Agreed. It only takes a bit of reading to enlighten oneself to understand that fear is just a tool of those in power to control the masses. Let us be educated to realise the truth is be who you want to be and do it for your own well being as well as others. Just in case you think I am some religious freak trying to convert I am a 50+ year old Mancunian with no religious beliefs.
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26/11/2020 15:48:36 8 9
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This government needs to be brought to its knees before the country is likewise.

Either lockdown short and sharp, or open up and business.

Everyones jobs, or some lives. take your pick. and some live were always inevitable......
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26/11/2020 15:48:40 431 50
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Gym's open,crowded shops and supermarkets,kids still going to school yet establishments with social distancing in place stopped from opening,MADNESS.Its as if the Government are determined that we shouldn't celebrate.
Work,home,work home, that's it.
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26/11/2020 15:53:23 177 212
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You're right, those other places shouldn't be open either, especially Gyms!
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26/11/2020 16:08:07 14 2
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Worse for me due to travel restrictions its Home, Home, Home ,home walk dog repeat
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26/11/2020 16:17:04 6 4
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Agreed. At least a generation ago once your five and a half days work was done you could go to football and to the pub before Sunday roast, sleep off the weekend's excess before back to the grind Monday. Life as shown in Saturday night and Sunday morning.
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26/11/2020 17:26:12 0 8
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Some pubs are breaking the rules and are not Covid safe. One pub I have been told about thankfully not in my area you can go in at 11 am order a meal for 3 pm and carry on drinking then very often never have a meal, so not all of theses pubs are doing the right thing, some have only themselves to blame, feel sorry for the ones who are doing the right thing.
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26/11/2020 17:28:53 2 3
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Last time I went to the gym I didn't have anyone in my face, unlike the pub where everyone is in your face or worse
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26/11/2020 17:34:53 8 1
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The government is listening to the health academics far too much & is not listening to the economic academics/business enough. Get a grip Boris, you are killing the social fabric of the UK & will it thousands of hospitality business. These decisions are an absolute disgrace. You should hang your head in shame with the damage you are allowing to be done to the UK economy. Tragic.
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26/11/2020 17:40:28 5 2
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You mean we cannot congregate in places where we might discuss how bad the government is so they prevent us talking.
26/11/2020 19:11:47 1 6
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Yeah. Funny the figures are levelling off after a month of everything bar schools and shops being closed though. Restaurants I have pity with but your general drinkers pub, no..Ive seen precious little distancing in any of the pubs/wine bars...its quite nice walking through an area without piles of vomit/ chip wrappers....money lining others pockets, at the expense of society.
26/11/2020 19:14:39 0 4
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There are better ways to celebrate than going to a pub you know
26/11/2020 19:23:44 1 1
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Its a farce i worked in a 2nd job all last lockdown doing lots of shifts indoors at a time with no masks and mingling with lots of people. Then testers turn up supposedly over 40 positive tests were found. But nobody then or since has been ill or had any symptoms including myself. And this is out of 200 odd people with agency workers coming and going. But a few people cant have a pint together.
26/11/2020 20:10:26 2 0
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And still many commend how well the government are handling things.
26/11/2020 20:35:35 1 0
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Schools are essential, getting drunk isn’t.
26/11/2020 20:52:52 0 0
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Hahahaha, absolute rubbish!!
I am sure people can ask god if he minds us missing Christmas once, for the better good..
26/11/2020 21:18:01 0 0
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Our local supermarkets are monitoring the numbers in their stores at one time. No you should not celebrate unless you are prepared to observe the distancing which many people do not and could not care a monkeys abut the rest of us.
26/11/2020 21:45:47 0 0
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Work/home. Same thing for many
26/11/2020 21:59:48 0 0
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Think you will find there was considerable pressure from Starmer for kids in school and a full lockdown so as much as you desire to blame the government it was the house in general that called it.
26/11/2020 23:48:22 0 0
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Two wrongs don't make a right e.g. gyms open
27/11/2020 00:01:17 0 0
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restaurants should remain open in all tiers, fed up to the back teeth with home produced muck and lousy takeaways, in July most took details with apps and drenched the place with sanitising sprays
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26/11/2020 15:49:05 34 11
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Not really when compared to the theatre and live music industry which is in huge decline and will lead to a culture gap for years...
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26/11/2020 17:16:50 21 11
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What a lot of elitist twaddle! The lovies will be back, unknowingly subsidised by the great British tax payer, most of whom never go to a theatre (£1.6 billion so far).

Meanwhile pubs will close, bar staff put on the dole. I'm sick of actors, musicians and dancers thinking they are somehow special and need special treatment. You're not, welcome to the real world.
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26/11/2020 17:23:30 2 2
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Don’t worry the elite will pay for them to recover but the local pubs will be gone.
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CG
26/11/2020 15:49:17 5 3
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So in T2 can you still have someone in your house who is from a single person household and who were in a bubble with previously ???
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LG
26/11/2020 15:52:27 4 2
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Yes
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26/11/2020 15:53:30 1 1
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Yes, support bubbles continue as before
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26/11/2020 15:54:00 1 1
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Yes
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26/11/2020 15:39:18 9 16
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In Tier 2 households are not allowed to mix but they can go down the pub for a substantial meals with others
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26/11/2020 15:49:18 19 3
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No they can't. You can only sit down for a meal with members of your household/bubble.
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26/11/2020 15:42:31 672 86
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It makes no sense to me that pubs and restaurants in Tier 3 have to close but thousands can still flock to our local mall to do their Christmas shopping.
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26/11/2020 15:49:23 73 12
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Yes, I queued the other day just to go in Waitrose, then inside it was a free for all, all kinds of goof getting too close. I get bored saying back the fudge up.
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26/11/2020 15:53:21 125 2
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Take an Aldi bag in with you, that will keep them away??
703
26/11/2020 16:54:16 6 6
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Cant believe that people actually queue to get in Waitrose the prices they charge, thought everyone was bleating about having no money
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26/11/2020 15:39:18 9 16
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In Tier 2 households are not allowed to mix but they can go down the pub for a substantial meals with others
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Pip
26/11/2020 15:49:25 7 1
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No they can't, only members of the same family, not enough tables in our pub for any 'others'..........?
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26/11/2020 15:54:58 0 6
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I will be??
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26/11/2020 15:46:39 2 8
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It moans but is the cause of most of the cross infections.
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26/11/2020 15:59:52 0 1
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Please substantiate your claim!
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26/11/2020 15:48:15 166 82
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We sit and watch or country being economically destroyed all because of a few extra deaths of the typically very old with other underlying medical conditions. I for one am disgusted at our lack of fortitude.
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26/11/2020 15:49:42 38 79
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Protecting tory voters.
26/11/2020 17:48:11 1 2
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before announcement I knew they prop put London on Tier 2 so they can enjoy themselves and against discriminate against North
26/11/2020 18:36:45 1 1
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I WAS a Tory voter
26/11/2020 20:13:18 1 0
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There won't be any Tory voters left. I for one will not vote for them again. They have trashed the country trying to control a bad flu.
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26/11/2020 15:49:47 90 12
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What's the evidence behind closing down the hospitality sector? There doesn't appear to be much research available to indicate how much different activities contribute to the spread of the virus, and what little there is would indicate that the government aren't targeting the problem activities very accurately.
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26/11/2020 15:59:25 66 10
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There isn't any!
26/11/2020 20:20:03 1 3
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Think of how busy pubs usually are in the run up to Christmas, with no restrictions pubs would be an infection hotspot, limit the numbers you will have people wandering the street waiting for a space to become available. I am no fan of this Government but I would say whatever rules are in place they are on a hiding to nothing.
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26/11/2020 15:50:16 2 3
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Am I missing something.

It’s probably not easy, but If I worked in a pub, I’m pretty sure I’d have at least tried to find something else by now.

I left school in 1980’s, unemployment was approaching 4 million (3 times now) and the instruction of the day back then was “on yer bike mate”......
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CG
26/11/2020 15:51:42 6 1
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nearly 3 million in the queue ....
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26/11/2020 15:58:59 0 1
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The staff at my pub have worked here for a number of years and are now professionals, Chefs, brewers, shift managers, maintenance and restoration works. The idea that there just bar staff doing temporary get you by work is just an example of the thinking that leaves us stranded now.
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26/11/2020 15:44:52 4 27
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This is all about the Establishment making the Midlands and North pay for the their decision to leave the EU ........
Appression
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26/11/2020 15:48:06 11 2
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No, it's not "appression" (non-word, by the way).

Why would it be ? The government are Brexiteers themselves.

They are "following the science".
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CG
26/11/2020 15:47:38 30 11
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If I can walk round the supermarket with aisles full of people it should be fine for pubs to be open in a secure way.
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26/11/2020 15:50:52 12 22
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Fully agree, especially as the vulnerable age groups are clogging up supermarket aisles like there is no tomorrow. Bring back the first lock-down, they were not seen and made shopping a nice event.
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26/11/2020 16:08:09 1 6
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Extend the rule about under 18s in pubs to over 70s as well!!
26/11/2020 21:51:00 0 0
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Why let the vulnerable age groups buy groceries it’s a disgrace, who do they think they are, wanting to eat.
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Pip
26/11/2020 15:46:57 19 6
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There won't be any pubs to fill.........?
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26/11/2020 15:51:35 3 4
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Yes there will.
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26/11/2020 16:04:24 2 1
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Oh no there won't...
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26/11/2020 15:50:16 2 3
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Am I missing something.

It’s probably not easy, but If I worked in a pub, I’m pretty sure I’d have at least tried to find something else by now.

I left school in 1980’s, unemployment was approaching 4 million (3 times now) and the instruction of the day back then was “on yer bike mate”......
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CG
26/11/2020 15:51:42 6 1
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nearly 3 million in the queue ....
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26/11/2020 15:48:15 166 82
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We sit and watch or country being economically destroyed all because of a few extra deaths of the typically very old with other underlying medical conditions. I for one am disgusted at our lack of fortitude.
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26/11/2020 15:51:42 18 25
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73,000 and rising is 'a few'?
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26/11/2020 15:58:04 34 14
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Yes a few 0.1% of our population and nearly all of this 73,000 are recorded as with Covid which means they had other serious underlying medical conditions, very few have died exclusively of Covid alone.
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26/11/2020 16:03:38 27 8
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I love how you've actually had the nerve to add all the excess deaths this year as Covid when it's actually being clearly established that it's the reactions to Covid e.g. lockdowns, that not only account for the excess deaths but also many of the "died with Covid" people too.

I hope there's a vaccine for the future deaths due to poverty too!
26/11/2020 18:11:25 8 2
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Out of 67M, yes it is. About that many died every 6 weeks pre-Covid, and over 90% of the people who die of Covid would have been dead within a year anyway (why the excess death rate went /negative/ after April). The number who will die over the next ten years as a result of the unemployment & poverty that will result from the economic crisis, lockdowns, furlough etc will DWARF the Covid deaths.
26/11/2020 19:12:19 1 1
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Within the normal ranges since the 1990's. 73,000 is about a 7% increase in deaths compared to 2019 - hardly cataclismic.
26/11/2020 19:19:43 0 1
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Yes, in the grand scheme of things
26/11/2020 19:34:34 2 1
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You do know that it’s only that much higher on the five year average? If you would like to just look a little bit further back you will see that it is still lower that it was in the year 2000
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26/11/2020 15:51:46 10 6
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And the Madness continues.
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26/11/2020 15:51:51 8 6
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I stated from day 1 that the price that will be paid for this will far outweigh the coronavirus.So please don’t complain about the financial impact you are going to suffer.On top of this the amount of monies that have been wasted on grants and bounce back loans to unscrupulous individuals is staggering.
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26/11/2020 15:51:54 86 14
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It’s crazy that you can only sit down with a pint in a pub if you also buy a meal. If anything, dealing with food creates more of an infection risk for all involved.
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26/11/2020 17:22:40 18 3
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I’d be happy with that but jnTier 3 we can’t go to a pub or restaurant at all!
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26/11/2020 15:52:03 3 3
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It tough, but how many pubs/restaurants had tables with a screen on it so two friends from different households could sit having a drink or meal maintaining social distancing rules? Virtually none.

The virus thrives on socialising, and unfortunately in order to make end meet, so do hospitality businesses...
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26/11/2020 16:01:01 6 4
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The virus doesn't know you are socialising and if schools and universities are safe then pubs and restaurants are safe too.
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26/11/2020 16:11:18 0 1
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What evidence its just a social virus... Does it take your for a beer/fag shopping trip holiday and then infect you???? Or hang around outside bars
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26/11/2020 15:52:14 291 49
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What is the difference between sitting at a table with a pint of beer, and sitting at a table with a pint of beer and a burger? Not all pubs sell food. Not everyone going to a pub wants to eat. The new rules for level 2 make no sense.
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26/11/2020 16:02:49 57 15
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Deep-fried mar bar and chips is what's needed. That should count as a "substantial meal". What could possibly go wrong.
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26/11/2020 16:19:20 1 3
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I think there may be some fairly liberal interpretations of what counts as a "substantial meal" by some of the pubs as well...

They had similar rules in Ireland for a while (although the meal needed to cost a minimum of 9 euro) but ultimately they were plunged back into a tougher lockdown than ours later.
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26/11/2020 17:37:52 3 10
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It makes total sense when you consider that the g*bsh**e owner of Spoons just happens to be a tory party donor.
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26/11/2020 17:40:12 2 3
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Someone needs to find the cheapest, smallest definition of a substantial meal, get down a cheap supermarket, but the unbranded version and offer it alongside beer/wine at just above cost. Or, is there a rule people cannot take their own substantial meal? It wouldnt cost the pub anything then. People just turn up with a cheap chees sandwich, multi pack of crisps & a pickled onion. Sorted.
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26/11/2020 17:43:54 6 3
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Because it seems proven that common sense evaporates when diluted by alcohol...
26/11/2020 18:18:37 5 3
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The point is they don't wants plebs going out getting wasted and spreading the disease - who's going to buy a burger with every pint?

Of course the way round this is to buy the burger and the pint, then sell the burger back to the pub. Then they do the same for the next person and so on. There's no rule saying you have to eat the burger is there!
26/11/2020 18:54:24 2 1
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The burgers have a built-in anti-coronavirus defense! How come you didn't know that!
26/11/2020 19:08:54 0 3
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It will NEVER be a perfect solution Doctor. It would be hoped however that the 'people' will for once pull together and forget all the nonsense we can frequently spout! Time to work together: not against one-another. The Government is really us; we asked them to look after us!
26/11/2020 20:31:32 0 1
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the burger puts more money back into the economy

a beer is just to get drunk.
26/11/2020 22:05:22 0 1
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Yet another self centered view
26/11/2020 23:18:49 0 0
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If you can afford the pub food, then you're clearly a potential Tory voter, and you mustn't be upset. If you can't, you likely will never vote for the Tories, so why bother catering to you?

Pork scratchings, crisps and peanuts is a substantial meal, right?

How does eating prevent you from catching covid? Oh, people who eat will go home, instead of being drunken and rowdy? Puritanism.
27/11/2020 10:16:40 0 0
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More about the number of households meeting up, doesn't matter what "substantial" means.
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CG
26/11/2020 15:49:17 5 3
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So in T2 can you still have someone in your house who is from a single person household and who were in a bubble with previously ???
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LG
26/11/2020 15:52:27 4 2
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Yes
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26/11/2020 15:52:31 9 6
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Nobody can wish this thing away. Covid has hit everybody and will continue until we are sufficiently vaccinated.
Viruses spread between people and especially in confined spaces. Hygiene measures can reduce the risk but only to a limited extent.
.. and where I live, we are just recovering from a big spike caused by one person.. who did not have symptoms.. visiting three different pubs.
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26/11/2020 16:15:54 9 3
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You mean confined spaces like schools, hospitals, supermarkets, homes etc. I wonder just how many people in your spike were in close contact with the source at the pub and contracted it and how many didn't and how many actually caught it via one of the above routes.
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26/11/2020 15:52:39 4 11
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As they are one of the biggest contributors to the problem ( with the exception of one or two of them ) it is no surprise they are bearing the brunt
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26/11/2020 15:58:20 3 3
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Rubbish, please substantiate your statement...…..
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26/11/2020 16:09:53 0 1
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Actually places like hospitals, schools and supermarkets are far bigger contributors to the spread. I would say pubs may be the biggest non- essential spreader along with restaurants and coffee shops, the few figures I have seen, which don't distinguish between them, suggest they might be the source for10-12% of infections. Small shops which cannot open don't even get rated.
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26/11/2020 15:52:47 8 10
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See on these postings NOTHING being mentioned about the BAME protest in London and around the Country whilst the UK was in the grip of the 1st Corvid 19 wave pandemic ......
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26/11/2020 15:56:44 1 5
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Wasn’t there a Labour MP that joined in?
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rob
26/11/2020 15:52:23 11 8
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hospitality is where people gather in large groups mostly pubs and we have seen what happens when beer is added totally non essential businesses and should be treated like such. i will certainly be going back to venues in the future though just not yet
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26/11/2020 15:57:40 5 5
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I went when they opened and saw nothing of what you state, I did see a few pictures in the media of the minority but that's what they do 'feed the scaremongering'. Hospitality should open to all after lockdown as in tier 2!!
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26/11/2020 16:00:25 1 1
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Wouldn't bet on going back, as the article suggests many will never re-open
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26/11/2020 16:04:07 2 1
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Stupid, I've been and seen how covid secure all pubs in my area have been, much more so than shops and private houses.
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26/11/2020 16:12:17 0 1
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Indeed my pub bent over backwards, what are we really doing about the provate house parties etc,
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26/11/2020 15:49:23 73 12
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Yes, I queued the other day just to go in Waitrose, then inside it was a free for all, all kinds of goof getting too close. I get bored saying back the fudge up.
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26/11/2020 15:53:21 125 2
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Take an Aldi bag in with you, that will keep them away??
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26/11/2020 16:35:10 4 16
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Even worse in Aldi at least in Waitrose everything is disenfected
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26/11/2020 15:48:40 431 50
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Gym's open,crowded shops and supermarkets,kids still going to school yet establishments with social distancing in place stopped from opening,MADNESS.Its as if the Government are determined that we shouldn't celebrate.
Work,home,work home, that's it.
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26/11/2020 15:53:23 177 212
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You're right, those other places shouldn't be open either, especially Gyms!
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26/11/2020 16:11:50 46 5
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yeah don't want people in well ventilated air conditioned rooms staying healthy and able to fight off an infection....god forbid
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26/11/2020 16:15:22 34 9
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Utter tripe. Healthy people building up their immune systems? £50 says you're a salad dodger
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26/11/2020 16:18:40 56 11
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.... presumably says the person who's blatantly never been to a gym then. Well ventilated, distanced machines, keeping people healthy so that if they do get infected it has no major affect. The (am I allowed to say it these days?) fat, lazy, slobs are the ones that are keeling over from this - of course its nicely packaged as "underlying health issues" so as not to upset!!
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26/11/2020 16:34:36 29 3
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Why, what is your evidence for Gyms? I think the Government conceded there was no evidence
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ian
26/11/2020 17:03:41 23 4
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Why Gyms the science says Gyms are safe, 480 covid cases in whole of Europe, 20 percent of covid cases from supermarkets.
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26/11/2020 17:08:52 26 2
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Why shouldn't gyms be open? At my local gym, the equipment is spaced so that people are physically distanced and members are told to wipe down equipment with anti-bacterial wipes after use. This is very effectively policed by members as well as staff because we don't want them closed again.
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26/11/2020 17:04:37 22 4
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If you look at infection rates and data, you are more likely to be infected at the supermarket - gyms are actually establishments with a fairly low likelihood of infection. Most infections, it seems, arise from schools and is then passed from kids to parents, siblings and other family members.
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26/11/2020 17:19:43 8 2
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I’ve felt safer in the gym than in some shops.
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26/11/2020 17:42:38 3 1
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Gyms are well managed with COVID compliance a priority. So I assume you are advocating the complete closure of all non essential activity. Can you get your purse out and give the contents to all those who have lost or about to their jobs.
26/11/2020 18:10:14 4 4
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There's no reason why gyms can't be open. I'm 45 before you think I'm some covidiot 20 something, but the gym I go to reduced capacity to 50%, there's cleaning stations everywhere, the app tells you when it's full - it's as safe as it could be.

Compare that to the local pub where none of that happened. Whilst it's unfair for pubs to be punished, they could have done a lot more.
26/11/2020 19:48:51 1 0
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I have been to the gym many times before the latest lock down and the measures taken made them safe. At the same time I had to visit the local hospital to drop off samples for my wife and the lack of care and adherence to the measures was terrifying.
No surprise the data shows 27% of cases originate in hospitals while only 1.1 % MAY originate in gyms.
So get facts right before bleating rubbish.
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26/11/2020 20:25:22 1 1
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Most sensible people using Gyms learn or know to listen to their body. The majority will not attend if they feel the slightest unwell. Staying healthy and fit is the best way of coping with physical and mental issues.
26/11/2020 20:36:26 0 0
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I have been in both pubs and gyms. In my experience the pubs are all over the place whereas the gyms I visit have got it sorted.
26/11/2020 21:24:18 2 0
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Wind your neck in. Youve probably never even been to a gym. If you had, you would realise how dumb that retort was.
26/11/2020 23:41:49 1 0
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Load of tosh. Why especially gyms? Places that increase health, fitness and wellbeing like gyms, health benefits that actually improve your immune system and resistance to illness vs places that have little or no health benefits. I miss your point completely. ?
27/11/2020 00:02:26 0 0
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swimming pools should be OK as Covid cannot infect highly chlorinated areas - yet why did they have to close?
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CG
26/11/2020 15:49:17 5 3
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So in T2 can you still have someone in your house who is from a single person household and who were in a bubble with previously ???
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26/11/2020 15:53:30 1 1
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Yes, support bubbles continue as before
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26/11/2020 15:53:35 3 16
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Hospitality insisted on keeping UK ports open without testing in place

they now reap what they have sown

KARMA
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26/11/2020 16:05:27 3 1
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Think you may find the Government didn't close borders, I doubt pub chains have such influence.
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26/11/2020 15:45:05 14 12
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While i feel bad for anyone who has lost their jobs, Hospitality was the benefactor with the "Eat out to Help Out" - if you want to talk about 'Brunt's' lets talk about the holiday/Cruise and especially the now non existent aviation industry this country once had.

As soon as lock down's over, pubs will be full.. airplanes wont.
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26/11/2020 15:53:36 2 1
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And what about coach tour operators who have neither had grants or a business rates holiday.
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26/11/2020 15:53:40 105 17
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The broad brush approach to lockdown areas has be done this way by Government to keep parts of London out of Tier 3!

Absolute Buffoonery!!
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26/11/2020 16:04:46 83 9
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Exactly. Parts of London have higher infection rates than the Midlands or North but the argument for keeping London in Tier 2 becomes the same argument for keeping Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle in Tier 3 , namely people travelling around. Too difficult to impose in London but easy elsewhere!!
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26/11/2020 17:44:19 6 1
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Large parts of London have basically ignored anything to do with lock down all year so actually it matters not what tier they are in, they will all just do what they want.
26/11/2020 19:55:35 9 0
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And Lancaster has 97 cases per 100,000 and is in Tier 3. SHAMBLES.
London bleating on about tier 2 , but much of north west has had equivalent rules to that since June with the same blanket approach.
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26/11/2020 15:44:52 4 27
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This is all about the Establishment making the Midlands and North pay for the their decision to leave the EU ........
Appression
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26/11/2020 15:53:58 3 1
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The current government wants a no-deal Brexit. And, by the way, I think you mean "oppression".
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CG
26/11/2020 15:49:17 5 3
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So in T2 can you still have someone in your house who is from a single person household and who were in a bubble with previously ???
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26/11/2020 15:54:00 1 1
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Yes
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26/11/2020 15:54:11 135 23
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If you're in tier 2 you can open... for indoor substantial meals with your family and no one else.

I bet that makes up about 10% of their usual trade, if that.

Utterly pointless but conveniently gives the gov a free pass as they're "open" so not their problem.
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26/11/2020 16:08:23 40 108
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They are luck to be open we need to get this pandemic under control otherwise everything is going down the pan
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YY
26/11/2020 16:31:49 9 1
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How often do you go to the pub with your wife and children? I have gone to pubs 50 times last year - 49 times with my friends from other household and one time with just by self!
26/11/2020 20:13:36 0 0
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Yes I'm sure that's exactly why they did it
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26/11/2020 15:54:16 222 59
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Please explain why you can go for a meal and a beer but you can't go for a beer, you can go shopping at the bullring with the other thousands but you can't mix in your own home, what utter nonsense, more misery inflicted upon us by this out of touch incompetent government.
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26/11/2020 15:57:25 68 40
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Hear hear.
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26/11/2020 15:58:22 8 6
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Sorry for that answer you would have to ask Whitty Hancock and Boris, I am sure that the fact that the Wetherspoons' owner is a massive Brexiteer has had no effect on the decision.
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26/11/2020 15:59:48 2 6
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Spot on.
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Rob
26/11/2020 16:01:58 10 3
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Sure - if you go out for a meal and a beer, you're seated at a table and are thus socially distanced indoors. Likewise you can shop at the Bullring (if anything is open) where you are outside and can presumably socially distance relatively easily if you wanted to.
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26/11/2020 16:25:34 2 4
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Absolutely right Nelly; high time people started applying a bit of common sense.
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26/11/2020 16:26:49 10 6
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Science Nelly. If you're shopping in the Bullring or elsewhere you're very unlikely to spend even a minute in close vicinity of another person, so your chance of transmission is much reduced. If you sit for a beer you're in the vicinity of the same people (strangers) for 20 mins +. Its all about the maths.
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26/11/2020 16:48:20 0 1
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Agreed ??
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26/11/2020 16:56:37 4 6
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By eating with your alcohol, you will be less affected by the alcohol and therefore less likely to lose your inhibitions and cease to practise social distancing. Simple, sad but true!
655
26/11/2020 17:00:25 8 1
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Got to be seen to do something yet havent a clue how to go about it ....absolute clowns
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26/11/2020 17:02:36 4 2
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The reason that the govt has such broad tier regions is simple: they don't have sufficient police to enforce staying in one's own area as the Tories decimated the police force and have yet to recruit sufficient replacements.
27/11/2020 00:11:27 0 0
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No, they are not out of touch and incompetent. This is all planned and they are perfect puppets for those who think they own the world. But have faith - this is their Great Reset - but the Great Reset was the coming of Christ. Have courage and stay strong, join others in protest, don't stand by. That way, they win and lives will be destroyed.
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26/11/2020 15:48:15 166 82
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We sit and watch or country being economically destroyed all because of a few extra deaths of the typically very old with other underlying medical conditions. I for one am disgusted at our lack of fortitude.
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26/11/2020 15:54:25 12 9
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And quite a lot of the medical staff who have to look after those who do not take this seriously
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Pip
26/11/2020 15:49:25 7 1
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No they can't, only members of the same family, not enough tables in our pub for any 'others'..........?
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26/11/2020 15:54:58 0 6
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I will be??
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26/11/2020 15:55:05 14 3
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You know what no one has mentioned once since this all kicked off back in March? Night clubs. The type which only open late, 22:00 - 06:00. doubt many of them will be opening up again once we reach normality. Unless someone knows otherwise?
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26/11/2020 15:58:29 5 7
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Lots of profit.. they will be back!
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26/11/2020 17:27:50 0 1
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We haven’t even got pubs open!
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26/11/2020 15:42:00 25 29
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What do people expect? It was the young and stupid who went out and had a good time at the expense of others. Many pubs allowed their stupid behaviour (we've all seen the footage), then those same idiots hung around the streets. At least there will be less crime without the drunken louts on our streets
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26/11/2020 15:55:14 5 3
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You live by yourself don't you.
The current format of this forum, defaulting to “Highest Rated”, distorts the general opinion. It accentuates a few single points (mob rule!), relegates less popular ideas, works against new ideas and suppresses plurality of viewpoints.

The “Highest Rated” should be dropped, or at least become non-default, and I’m going to spam the Beeb until they get it right, and hope everyone else will too.
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26/11/2020 15:46:25 475 60
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So many pubs will become empty shells....never to return.

Plus THOUSANDS of job losses....

Can put any spin on this you like....

It's not good....
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26/11/2020 15:56:18 164 251
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In normal times, hospitality is a money spinner.. they won’t stay closed for long once this is over
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26/11/2020 16:03:05 64 2
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Hospitality and Money Spinner are words you don't use in the same sentence these days. Pubs have been closing for years before covid
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26/11/2020 16:08:35 50 3
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Clearly never been to a pub. Pub Co's will sell closed pubs for houses. Lost forever.
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26/11/2020 16:12:08 31 1
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You're a tremendous optimist and I hope you're right but I can't share your view. Nearly 1,000 pubs closed their doors for good in 2019 alone (about 2%, which doesn't sound like a lot granted but that was in a normal year). It won't be the Wetherspoons and Greene Kings of this world that'll really feel the pinch, it'll be the independents. That said, the roaring 20s followed Spanish Flu.
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26/11/2020 16:12:29 24 2
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bull. They are dying right now.
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26/11/2020 16:23:54 21 1
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most will be out of business before this is over
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26/11/2020 16:42:23 18 3
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Loads of pubs will be lost. They will remain closed. And when will this nonsense be ended?
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26/11/2020 16:43:27 0 9
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Exactly. After the vaccine it'll be a good business to be in.
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26/11/2020 17:02:39 6 3
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In normal times pubs can pay the rent and business rates..
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26/11/2020 17:08:19 3 1
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Sorry Mark - totally off the Mark there.
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26/11/2020 17:19:05 4 1
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Many will never come back
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26/11/2020 17:43:51 2 7
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It won’t ever be over, this is our new life now.
You can see people are already used to it now and no longer care about going to the pub or being social.
26/11/2020 18:23:51 4 1
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"In normal times, hospitality is a money spinner.. they won’t stay closed for long once this is over"

The small ones won't

They will go under and have to sell up

Then their custom will be taken by the global chains

In the same way free houses, real ale and craft beer will disappear and their custom will go to plastic pubs, wine bars, InBev, Diageo etc

Maybe that is the plan
26/11/2020 18:43:39 3 1
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I really do not think you have got a clue .
26/11/2020 19:35:31 4 1
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Not the money spinner you think it is. Some chains do fairly well, but not many owner landlords.
26/11/2020 21:01:24 0 0
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The issue is that it's destroyed the working capital of a lot of businesses -we pay out about 40% of the ticket price in advance costs, further costs on the night, but only receive money from the ticket agency after the event.
26/11/2020 21:58:17 1 0
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Wow! You very CLEARLY have no idea what's coming. You are living in a fools paradise.
26/11/2020 23:08:40 2 0
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As someone who has worked in the industry, I know thats not true.

There are charities to help support people who become homeless after running a failed pub. Its not all "loads of money". Its can I pay my staff on a normal week...
Hence why a pint is over a fiver and staff are on minimum wage!
27/11/2020 00:14:02 0 0
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Clearly someone who has never ran a business, needless to say one in hospitality.
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26/11/2020 15:48:15 166 82
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We sit and watch or country being economically destroyed all because of a few extra deaths of the typically very old with other underlying medical conditions. I for one am disgusted at our lack of fortitude.
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26/11/2020 15:56:22 19 15
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It's not just the deaths. It's the fact that CV19 if left unchecked will fill all available hospital beds as it leaves far more people than 'flu requiring hospitalisation. In order to maintain other much needed NHS services this time round you have to control the spread of the virus.
26/11/2020 20:50:32 1 1
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If that were true I'd support this policy, but most of the Nightingale hospitals have plenty of space right now. We are erring on the side of destroying livelihoods and mental health versus using all our NHS capacity for a disease which, versus now seems much less deadly than it was back in March.
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26/11/2020 15:52:47 8 10
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See on these postings NOTHING being mentioned about the BAME protest in London and around the Country whilst the UK was in the grip of the 1st Corvid 19 wave pandemic ......
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26/11/2020 15:56:44 1 5
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Wasn’t there a Labour MP that joined in?
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26/11/2020 15:54:16 222 59
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Please explain why you can go for a meal and a beer but you can't go for a beer, you can go shopping at the bullring with the other thousands but you can't mix in your own home, what utter nonsense, more misery inflicted upon us by this out of touch incompetent government.
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26/11/2020 15:57:25 68 40
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Hear hear.
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26/11/2020 15:43:34 5 9
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Being fair to Flair, its terrible for all those chefs who have trained years and years to be left with nothing.
I'm gonna rent me a house in Cornwall for the next few months though.
Ya know what I mean ?
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26/11/2020 15:57:39 4 2
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Yes.. you want to take the virus there so that they will need to join the rest of us in tier 2
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26/11/2020 16:12:47 0 5
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No, Waylon and co don't have the virus, but we do want a good old fashioned Christmas, New Year and Birthday celebrations. Try and enjoy ourselves after a hideous year.
Ya know what I mean ?
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rob
26/11/2020 15:52:23 11 8
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hospitality is where people gather in large groups mostly pubs and we have seen what happens when beer is added totally non essential businesses and should be treated like such. i will certainly be going back to venues in the future though just not yet
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26/11/2020 15:57:40 5 5
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I went when they opened and saw nothing of what you state, I did see a few pictures in the media of the minority but that's what they do 'feed the scaremongering'. Hospitality should open to all after lockdown as in tier 2!!
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26/11/2020 16:06:03 1 1
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Absolutely right, those that are criticising the hospitality sector are mainly those who have not ventured to a pub to see what the reality is!
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26/11/2020 16:06:18 0 1
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Pubs are no different to schools when it comes to mixing and behaviour.
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26/11/2020 15:57:49 289 43
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If it isnt safe for people to go out for a drink or a meal then how can the government say its safe for anyone to go to work or school. THis is a absolute disgrace that the hospitality sector is being treated this way and the governments own figures prove that these places were not the cause of outbreaks. They are as safe as anywhere else.
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26/11/2020 16:02:24 182 42
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Totally agree, hospitality being scapegoated, it's a disgrace.
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26/11/2020 16:21:39 6 2
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I agree. 1,500 young people and staff in my daughters school (she is a teacher). Number in her local just before lockdown 17 and they were socially distanced.
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26/11/2020 16:29:52 8 12
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Because Pubs are not "essential". Work/School are.
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26/11/2020 16:36:55 5 1
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Look on the bright side. At least if you are working, you can afford to drink at home.
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26/11/2020 16:42:33 10 6
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When people with a positive test are asked where they have been, the most common answer is 'the supermarket'. If shopping had been restricted to one shop every 14 days no one would be catching the virus on one trip and taking it back the next as they would be clear of it by the next shop - however hospitality is an easy target.
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26/11/2020 17:07:53 7 3
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They cannot provide any data to justify closing of pubs, also, moving whole regions into tier 3 is ridiculous. I bet parliament subsidised bars are still open without restrictions.
26/11/2020 19:17:12 3 2
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Well it isn't 100% safe to go to school, but then if kids don't go to school their education and social development is likely to be adversely affected (there was an article on here recently about lots of kids regressing this year). So it's a balance.
26/11/2020 20:37:11 1 3
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Sorry but I think the government have their priorities right this time. I really miss sitting down in cafes, restaurants & pubs, but of course school, worship & fitness should all come first.
26/11/2020 20:38:32 2 2
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Going to work and school are essential, getting drunk isn’t.
26/11/2020 22:35:50 2 0
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Im afraid that so many people in Manchester and Liverpool couldn't be trusted and look what happened. Groups with a total disregard. English people binge drink too much and can't control themselves.
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26/11/2020 15:58:03 167 26
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Tiny minority ruining the majority. I live above rough pub in Hackney. In both lockdowns they were holding illegal lockins for the local drunks. No amount of reporting them to police made a difference. In between lockdowns, the landlord made zero attempt to enforce regulations, place was utterly crammed. Pubs that obeyed the rules going to the wall, mass redundancies, because of a tiny selfish few
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26/11/2020 16:05:49 45 62
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More pubs and businesses should be doing this. If all of the businesses did this then it would have to stop.
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26/11/2020 16:10:38 20 7
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No issues back in the middle of the pandemic when thousands flocked onto beaches in Cornwall. No issues when thousands of BLM protesters marched. No issue when extinction rebellion marched. Almost as if the virus is not highly contagious.....just like the government's own website says.
26/11/2020 18:06:37 3 3
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Not only is this a spot-on observation, but is also another example of how local law enforcement applies a lax attitude in numerous areas - nowadays if you get caught for any minor motoring offences, anti-social behaviour, criminal damage, shoplifting, etc, you're almost more of a mug if you engage with the law, as persistent, repeat offenders seem to be treated the same as 1st time offenders do.
26/11/2020 20:21:13 2 0
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Could do a lock in where is it
27/11/2020 00:05:57 0 0
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Agree tiny majority of pubs/bars ruining it for the majority of the food led hospitality industry. Still it is entertaining reading how many people blame the “government” for their own personal inability to socially distance, wash hands and cover their face. Cant wait for an epidemic of the squits when people want the government to wipe their backsides with all the loo roll they stockpiled. Lol.
27/11/2020 00:45:32 0 1
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Ewww, grass... lowest of the low
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26/11/2020 15:51:42 18 25
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73,000 and rising is 'a few'?
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26/11/2020 15:58:04 34 14
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Yes a few 0.1% of our population and nearly all of this 73,000 are recorded as with Covid which means they had other serious underlying medical conditions, very few have died exclusively of Covid alone.
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26/11/2020 16:03:47 11 15
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You're forgetting the impact on other health services if the NHS is overwhelmed. People will die from other causes that could have been treated. the NHS would have to prioritise patients, and have no choice but to let people die to save another. Nobody wants that scenario. COVID doesn't just kill people with COVID.
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26/11/2020 16:36:01 10 1
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I know someone who had terminal lung cancer but that was chalked up as a Covid death. The number of non Covid related deaths, including suicides has been steadily rising but government doesn't seem to worry about those. My heart bleeds for those poor souls who have been denied treatment for cancers etc and those with mental health issues which aren't being treated.
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26/11/2020 15:52:39 4 11
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As they are one of the biggest contributors to the problem ( with the exception of one or two of them ) it is no surprise they are bearing the brunt
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26/11/2020 15:58:20 3 3
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Rubbish, please substantiate your statement...…..
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26/11/2020 16:07:36 0 1
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How many groups of 6 did you see drinking round small tables as if everything was normal ignoring social distancing? Loads.

How many groups of 6 did you see drinking round a table screened off from each other to comply with social distancing rules? None. Anywhere.
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26/11/2020 16:07:53 0 1
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Yes, I would like to see the evidence too, this person is probably teetotal.
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26/11/2020 15:54:16 222 59
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Please explain why you can go for a meal and a beer but you can't go for a beer, you can go shopping at the bullring with the other thousands but you can't mix in your own home, what utter nonsense, more misery inflicted upon us by this out of touch incompetent government.
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26/11/2020 15:58:22 8 6
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Sorry for that answer you would have to ask Whitty Hancock and Boris, I am sure that the fact that the Wetherspoons' owner is a massive Brexiteer has had no effect on the decision.
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26/11/2020 15:55:05 14 3
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You know what no one has mentioned once since this all kicked off back in March? Night clubs. The type which only open late, 22:00 - 06:00. doubt many of them will be opening up again once we reach normality. Unless someone knows otherwise?
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26/11/2020 15:58:29 5 7
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Lots of profit.. they will be back!
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26/11/2020 15:47:21 268 39
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We have had excellent service and meals in the restaurants we ate at since they reopened and this lock down - Everybody was so considerate, yet the goofs that go out getting drunk and pratting around the streets have caused so many problems - I do feel sorry for all the staff that will lose jobs and the chefs after all that training, they've been dumped on the shelf until when ??
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26/11/2020 15:58:59 210 61
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The thing is there is no evidence pubs need to be closed due to drunk goofs. None at all. Its just the line being "implied" as even the government won't state that's their reasoning as they know people will point to the data that doesn't reflect back that up.

I'm a 41 year old family man so I'm not being defensive.
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26/11/2020 16:16:51 30 10
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Here here, I’m 60 and to keep laying the blame at packed out pubs on a certain generation is nonsense,no evidence and these planks bojo and handcock ( yes deliberate) can’t or won’t show any sort of stats to back it up
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26/11/2020 16:35:09 16 1
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You are quite right, evidence has already shown that most infection takes place in the home, not in pubs.
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26/11/2020 16:37:23 11 14
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Complete tosh. It’s like saying there is no evidence that smoking kills. The virus spreads when people are in close proximity. There really is no need to ‘prove’ that point for a pub or any other setting where people mix.
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26/11/2020 17:38:37 2 1
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I agree - how can it be different because a pub sells food. I have seen plenty of people who were drunk in pubs and restaurants.
26/11/2020 19:38:21 0 2
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I've done plenty of goofing and pratting when drunk, and usually from drinking tinnies in the park, no pub used at all.
26/11/2020 19:44:59 0 0
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those goofs kept a lot of pubs open
26/11/2020 20:33:59 1 1
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To be fair, there are quite a few "drunk goofs" here in London. They pile onto buses at closing time, shouting, laughing, having a sing-song & forgetting all about masks & social distancing.
26/11/2020 20:37:49 0 1
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The reasoning is the reason people drink in the first place.
26/11/2020 22:14:24 2 1
bbc
Yes there is . Please remove your post as it is patently fake news.
Numerous reports of virus being spiked after overcrowded pub visits .
26/11/2020 23:50:47 1 1
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So what are you defending? may be no evidence but have a wander round the pubs, bars, near to you. If it was anything like my local city when open it will have been full of generally under 30’s being goofs, getting drunk and ignoring any distancing rules. They probably had the virus and were mildly poorly without knowing it but could have gone on to infect other more vulnerable people.
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26/11/2020 15:52:47 8 10
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See on these postings NOTHING being mentioned about the BAME protest in London and around the Country whilst the UK was in the grip of the 1st Corvid 19 wave pandemic ......
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26/11/2020 15:59:11 19 17
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And Khan has just said Londoners have made 'monumental sacrifices'. Just London then? Nowhere else at all? What a ridiculous and pointless individual he really is.
He's a monumental idiot, the rest I can't write on here as the language is choice!!! Removed
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26/11/2020 16:02:26 0 2
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Never forget the extreme provincialism of London
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26/11/2020 16:09:09 10 3
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He's the mayor of London. Why would he want to talk about Manchester or Birmingham? Would Nicola Sturgeon talk about Bristol in her press conference? If you don't like Mr Khan at least be honest about why you don't like him.
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26/11/2020 16:15:03 2 1
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Omission is not an affirmative of the opposite state.
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26/11/2020 16:56:21 0 1
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Maybe he was talking about London cos he's the Mayor of London.

Ib the same way that Churchill talked about the British making sacrifices during the war, rather than focussing on Montenegran and Barbadian sacrifices.
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26/11/2020 15:59:20 11 8
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Whats the difference between having a meal with 10 pints or 10 pints without a meal if you are sticking to the pub and gov social distance rules? Dont get it
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26/11/2020 16:01:15 5 5
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No, it's ridiculous, but why doesn't anyone with authority come out and say this.....
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26/11/2020 16:06:14 2 1
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About £65 in London or £26 in my local establishment
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26/11/2020 15:49:47 90 12
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What's the evidence behind closing down the hospitality sector? There doesn't appear to be much research available to indicate how much different activities contribute to the spread of the virus, and what little there is would indicate that the government aren't targeting the problem activities very accurately.
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26/11/2020 15:59:25 66 10
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There isn't any!
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26/11/2020 15:54:16 222 59
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Please explain why you can go for a meal and a beer but you can't go for a beer, you can go shopping at the bullring with the other thousands but you can't mix in your own home, what utter nonsense, more misery inflicted upon us by this out of touch incompetent government.
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26/11/2020 15:59:48 2 6
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Spot on.
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26/11/2020 15:46:39 2 8
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It moans but is the cause of most of the cross infections.
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26/11/2020 15:59:52 0 1
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Please substantiate your claim!
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26/11/2020 15:59:57 14 12
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55 million people now banned by law from meeting friends & family. What a total farce.
We lost more people in the Blitz & we could still have a knees up when the all clear went. Never in the field of human cock ups has so much been sacrificed by so many to save so few!
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26/11/2020 16:14:09 2 1
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For U.K. most historians put number of dead in blitz at around 43,000 deaths from Covid Officially at 55,000 and rising , some claim this figure is understated due to reporting differences.
As to knees up ,there were many reports of hostility to Churchill and the political class as he was even during the wartime seen as a warmonger.
Of course being the Victor he wrote his own memorium !
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26/11/2020 16:27:04 0 1
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in the blitz your neighbour wasnt about to kill you

But back then they knew to hide from the bombs that would!
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rob
26/11/2020 15:52:23 11 8
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hospitality is where people gather in large groups mostly pubs and we have seen what happens when beer is added totally non essential businesses and should be treated like such. i will certainly be going back to venues in the future though just not yet
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26/11/2020 16:00:25 1 1
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Wouldn't bet on going back, as the article suggests many will never re-open
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26/11/2020 15:44:52 4 27
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This is all about the Establishment making the Midlands and North pay for the their decision to leave the EU ........
Appression
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26/11/2020 16:00:29 2 1
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As (I assume fellow) northerner, it's really not.
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26/11/2020 16:00:43 12 9
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London soars upwards in corona cases north west goes down. London tier 2 North west tier 3. Somebodys corrupt somewhere
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26/11/2020 16:03:14 6 4
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The NW has been high since the end of July with a disgusting level of non compliance. London has only just started to rise and only in a few boroughs.
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26/11/2020 16:05:25 2 2
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More Premier League teams in London, only London matters to this shower
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26/11/2020 15:52:03 3 3
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It tough, but how many pubs/restaurants had tables with a screen on it so two friends from different households could sit having a drink or meal maintaining social distancing rules? Virtually none.

The virus thrives on socialising, and unfortunately in order to make end meet, so do hospitality businesses...
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26/11/2020 16:01:01 6 4
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The virus doesn't know you are socialising and if schools and universities are safe then pubs and restaurants are safe too.
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26/11/2020 16:22:27 0 1
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Or maybe it's more important to maintain childrens education than it is to get bladdered and eat all you can...
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26/11/2020 16:01:10 234 21
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Most of the pubs and restaurants round me have worked hard to sperate tables and put partitions in place. I feel safer in them than I do in a supermarket, especially so when all the Christmas shopping madness starts. I feel Hospitality does seem to have been treated severely, and it seems mostly on perceptions and images of 6 months ago, not how they actually are now.
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26/11/2020 16:16:30 151 21
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I agree with you totally, pubs have done everything they can and still being scapegoated.
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26/11/2020 17:37:31 2 0
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Wait until Boxing Day and the new year sales!
26/11/2020 17:44:38 6 3
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basically a virus is a virus it can spread with any human contact that doesnt mean we should stop living were human beings
26/11/2020 20:19:58 5 0
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You don’t see the fridge doors getting sanitised after every use in a supermarket
26/11/2020 23:55:32 0 0
bbc
Most restaurants have done a fantastic job of it, pubs that serve meals generally done very well. The pubs/bars that dont serve meals that i have observed have not even bothered enforcing any rules because “its not their job to enforce” thats the job of the police. So pubs as one part if hospitality are tarring the decent places with the same brush imo. Pubs should be first to shut last to open.
27/11/2020 09:14:37 0 0
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Most of the pubs near me started out well but as soon as the tills started ringing they threw all good intentions out the window. 2 out of 4 local pubs have had outbreaks, one of them even tried to keep it quiet to keep the money coming in - shameful
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26/11/2020 16:01:12 20 9
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I live in tier 3 and we have had restrictions since the end of July. Too many people ignoring the rules and claiming everywhere they go is safe and that 'so what if a few extra old people die'.
Thanks a bundle.
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26/11/2020 15:59:20 11 8
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Whats the difference between having a meal with 10 pints or 10 pints without a meal if you are sticking to the pub and gov social distance rules? Dont get it
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26/11/2020 16:01:15 5 5
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No, it's ridiculous, but why doesn't anyone with authority come out and say this.....
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26/11/2020 16:04:09 0 2
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they want a westminster promotion
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26/11/2020 15:59:11 19 17
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And Khan has just said Londoners have made 'monumental sacrifices'. Just London then? Nowhere else at all? What a ridiculous and pointless individual he really is.
He's a monumental idiot, the rest I can't write on here as the language is choice!!! Removed
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26/11/2020 15:54:16 222 59
bbc
Please explain why you can go for a meal and a beer but you can't go for a beer, you can go shopping at the bullring with the other thousands but you can't mix in your own home, what utter nonsense, more misery inflicted upon us by this out of touch incompetent government.
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Rob
26/11/2020 16:01:58 10 3
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Sure - if you go out for a meal and a beer, you're seated at a table and are thus socially distanced indoors. Likewise you can shop at the Bullring (if anything is open) where you are outside and can presumably socially distance relatively easily if you wanted to.
26/11/2020 22:09:35 0 0
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Too simple for the simple ignorant and arrogant and selfish desperate for a drink pathetic
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26/11/2020 15:57:49 289 43
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If it isnt safe for people to go out for a drink or a meal then how can the government say its safe for anyone to go to work or school. THis is a absolute disgrace that the hospitality sector is being treated this way and the governments own figures prove that these places were not the cause of outbreaks. They are as safe as anywhere else.
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26/11/2020 16:02:24 182 42
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Totally agree, hospitality being scapegoated, it's a disgrace.
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26/11/2020 16:21:28 5 2
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Guess the upper echelons of society dont use pubs as such but patronise restaurants awith extended family and private members clubs.
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26/11/2020 16:22:40 4 1
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Also, is a working lunch exempt from these rules? Ergo cabinet can scoff together....
26/11/2020 17:53:49 0 3
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It is only because Hospitality is in the eyeline that they are being singled out. Stop and think about all the other industries in the UK, Europe and the World that have had far worse job losses to deal with.
26/11/2020 19:55:38 0 0
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Agree 110%
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26/11/2020 15:59:11 19 17
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And Khan has just said Londoners have made 'monumental sacrifices'. Just London then? Nowhere else at all? What a ridiculous and pointless individual he really is.
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26/11/2020 16:02:26 0 2
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Never forget the extreme provincialism of London
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26/11/2020 16:02:45 3 6
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The NHS is on it’s knees if we don’t pull together for the next few months until we can get vaccinated the economy wil tank even more and hospitals will overflow
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26/11/2020 16:19:15 2 2
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Same old rubbish...facts and figures don't back you up....
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26/11/2020 15:52:14 291 49
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What is the difference between sitting at a table with a pint of beer, and sitting at a table with a pint of beer and a burger? Not all pubs sell food. Not everyone going to a pub wants to eat. The new rules for level 2 make no sense.
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26/11/2020 16:02:49 57 15
bbc
Deep-fried mar bar and chips is what's needed. That should count as a "substantial meal". What could possibly go wrong.
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26/11/2020 16:36:14 1 1
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??????
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26/11/2020 16:52:19 7 2
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Deep fried Mars Bar - Disgusting , New meal here in Glasgow is Deep Fried DOUBLE Snickers with double Chips and Two pickles. That will fend off any virus .... !!
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26/11/2020 16:02:50 3 1
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I'd arguably say that it's those who live alone who are bearing the brunt of the tier pain, as much as hospitality is suffering. I've been saying this for months, but the mental health crisis that covid restrictions cause is huge - that's not a criticism of the necessity of having restrictions, rather an observation and a call for greater support/investment in MH services.
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26/11/2020 15:56:18 164 251
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In normal times, hospitality is a money spinner.. they won’t stay closed for long once this is over
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26/11/2020 16:03:05 64 2
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Hospitality and Money Spinner are words you don't use in the same sentence these days. Pubs have been closing for years before covid
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26/11/2020 16:00:43 12 9
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London soars upwards in corona cases north west goes down. London tier 2 North west tier 3. Somebodys corrupt somewhere
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26/11/2020 16:03:14 6 4
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The NW has been high since the end of July with a disgusting level of non compliance. London has only just started to rise and only in a few boroughs.
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26/11/2020 16:19:03 3 2
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The NW is the only area where the R rate is below one. Non-compliance is everywhere but northerners are more honest and got tested, southerners didn't because they didn't want to stop working and not get paid. London was the worst area at the start and will be again.
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26/11/2020 16:03:18 39 3
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I wonder if the substantial meal rule will be applied in the House of Commons bar?
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26/11/2020 16:18:59 22 0
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C'mon. I think you know the answer to that one ! Don't do as we do, do as we tell you!
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26/11/2020 16:20:19 2 0
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They are no longer allowed to sell alcohol even with a meal as MP's could be from different tiers. So it's actually stricter in he House of Commons than anywhere else.
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26/11/2020 16:31:51 0 0
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they can afford it
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26/11/2020 17:25:27 0 0
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Of course. A packet of crisps should do it. On expensives of course.
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26/11/2020 16:03:30 5 3
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how much of the economy is n-o-t s-u-s-t-a-i-n-a-b-l-e?
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26/11/2020 16:03:33 5 3
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This will be the final nail in the coffin for many hospitality establishments. Christmas is obviously a time these businesses make a substantial proportion of their profits and many would have been praying for a different outcome today. Furthermore, over recent years there has been a shift in drinking habits with many people opting to buy cheap supermarket booze and drink at home instead.
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26/11/2020 15:51:42 18 25
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73,000 and rising is 'a few'?
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26/11/2020 16:03:38 27 8
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I love how you've actually had the nerve to add all the excess deaths this year as Covid when it's actually being clearly established that it's the reactions to Covid e.g. lockdowns, that not only account for the excess deaths but also many of the "died with Covid" people too.

I hope there's a vaccine for the future deaths due to poverty too!
26/11/2020 18:06:43 0 1
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yes, invest in jobs that are more essential than just hospitality sector work.
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26/11/2020 16:03:43 37 7
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So once again the virus knows which pubs supply substantial meals. This is a new version of "Yes Minister" Victor Meldrew would love it.
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26/11/2020 17:19:27 7 1
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Just like the virus didnt 'start until 10pm. Or 11pm now......
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26/11/2020 15:58:04 34 14
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Yes a few 0.1% of our population and nearly all of this 73,000 are recorded as with Covid which means they had other serious underlying medical conditions, very few have died exclusively of Covid alone.
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26/11/2020 16:03:47 11 15
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You're forgetting the impact on other health services if the NHS is overwhelmed. People will die from other causes that could have been treated. the NHS would have to prioritise patients, and have no choice but to let people die to save another. Nobody wants that scenario. COVID doesn't just kill people with COVID.
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26/11/2020 16:07:53 25 7
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Our NHS will collapse when tax receipts vanish, so do not feel so happy with your blind following of doom mongers. Other important social services will also collapse heaping ever more pain on every more vulnerable people, but hey you can go out and clap.
26/11/2020 19:14:34 4 1
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But that's the irony - the NHS hasn't been overwhelmed yet other treatments have been cancelled in ANTICIPATION of being overwhelmed. The situation is preposterous.
26/11/2020 20:27:02 1 0
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You don't take into account COVID patients are already been prioritised. Other patients are informed at a distance that their treatment is 'postponed' which I suppose makes it easier than having to look them in the eye.
26/11/2020 21:53:47 0 0
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The NHS is not overwhelmed. Were protecting empty beds whilst they prepare for a deluge that never came in the first wave and wont come in the 2nd or possibly 3rd. But they will still protect them empy beds for covid whilst people die at home in there own beds of ailments that the NHS would have been able to actualkly deal with.
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26/11/2020 15:52:23 11 8
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hospitality is where people gather in large groups mostly pubs and we have seen what happens when beer is added totally non essential businesses and should be treated like such. i will certainly be going back to venues in the future though just not yet
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26/11/2020 16:04:07 2 1
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Stupid, I've been and seen how covid secure all pubs in my area have been, much more so than shops and private houses.