'A heavy defeat & the world may implode'
26/11/2020 | sport | rugbyunion | 304
After the All Blacks lose back-to-back Tests for the first time in nearly a decade, the New Zealand public asks if the right man is in charge.
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26/11/2020 15:20:50 90 4
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All things come to an end. The All Blacks remain an outstanding rugby team with the highest of standards but nobody wins by right!

A few chastening defeats to add to ones last year might actually do them and some of their fans a lot of good!
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Removed
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Are you thinking Brexit was your big F up, hmm? Removed
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26/11/2020 17:26:31 14 3
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Might make them more humble in stead of thinking they have a divine right to win all the time. They thought the World Cup was already sown up last year, before it had even started and even more so after they beat the Springboks in their group.
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26/11/2020 21:37:40 1 1
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It's called Rugby Schools LOL. Otherwise they are normal as you and me:

https://www.allblacks.com/teams/schools/

See the link below, our kids just as good as theirs without the schools LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rugby_Under_20_Championship

Since it began in 2008 England have been in 9 finals out of possible 12 and won 3. No country matches that except NZ of 7 finals won 6.
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27/11/2020 01:29:17 1 2
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You have been beating the same drum for decades. NZ rugby world is coming to an end, the refs finally doing the right thing, NZ has nothing but rugby and sheep etc. You continue to be wrong year in, year out. So consistent for so long - much like NZ rugby really? No panic Mr Jones.
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27/11/2020 12:49:06 1 0
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Squidge did a good review of the Argentina game and he was right , too many all blacks did not put the effort in
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27/11/2020 13:12:45 3 0
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Spot on Anglophone. It might do their fans some good but I find their persistent booing of opposition appalling and sums up their attitude. There was a time when referees always gave them the 50:50 calls. Glad that’s not happening now. Come on Argentina.
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26/11/2020 15:23:07 43 3
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Two consecutive loses and they are talking about changing their coach, blimey they should be Welsh!
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26/11/2020 16:31:40 11 27
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Yeah, but ermm, Wales simply does not have the record of NZ or the mentality, the same applies to all the British sides. At the moment England are the better side, but as per NZ will rise to the challenge and I am sure dispatch England and vice versa. But as a Kiwi, have to say, yes I am glad I am not Welsh, but then again Wales is simply not on ABS level, sorry. Different mentality too.
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26/11/2020 17:24:26 1 1
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Indeed, where you seem to lurch from one crisis to another. Plenty of refreshing required in the Welsh ranks, so results are going to be mixed for awhile.
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26/11/2020 19:10:13 0 4
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The Welsh are used to losing every week. In fact, I actually think they enjoy it.
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26/11/2020 15:23:16 3 5
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I wish Wales had appointed Scott Robertson when Gatland left, hopefully he’ll be an assistant on the Lions tour.....

Crusaders play some lovely rugby, better than the kickfest rubbish we see up here
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26/11/2020 17:23:06 2 1
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And down there I might add. New Zealand kick the ball just as much as anyone else. The difference is, they are better at using turn over and counter-attacking ball than most.
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26/11/2020 15:34:27 4 7
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Yup. Too many middle-aged white men in the AB's coaching set-up. Ian Foster was a safe and boring option. They only gave him two years, which doesn't inspire confidence. Jamie Joseph should be involved. NZ rugby need to get better representation, considering the number of Maori and Pacific Islanders that play for the ABs.
Yeah of course you have won so many World Cups and have such an amazing record dont ya, lol. Shut up you ignorant English plonker. Where do you breed you English, haha?. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:21:52 1 2
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Haven't they already got plenty of that by poaching players from the South Sea Islanders.
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26/11/2020 15:44:30 3 3
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NZ missed a trick in not appointing steady Eddie....tall in stature and tall indeed. I think that's right and how the saying goes.
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26/11/2020 15:48:19 67 15
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As much as the England haters will not like to admit it, Eddie Jones found a way to beat NZ and since then other teams have replicated it. Teams used to pay the AB's too much respect and give them the time they wanted on the ball, whereas now teams know their beatable. When plan A doesn't work they look clueless at the moment. Still one of the best teams, no longer THE best.
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26/11/2020 15:54:58 65 9
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Spot on Cemery. Added to this it seems that referees are beginning to apply the same laws to them as other teams.
The myth has been shattered.
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LH
26/11/2020 16:20:37 10 5
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Hear, hear! WAY too much respect was (and still is) given to New Zealand rugby! Remember, they were continual 'chokers' at RWC for a few years! The demise of Aus rugby is another thing, remember their wonderful sides of the 80s and 90s?
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26/11/2020 16:26:34 4 20
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Not at the moment, but heard all this propaganda before from you English. If you think NZ are dead and buried, then you are wrong. They always find a way back and although not on form at the moment, do not underestimate them, that is stupid. As for England, you won 1 past NZ since 2013, RWC 2019, just saying. That statistic is likely to remain too as NZ will improve.
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26/11/2020 21:00:05 3 2
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South Africa and Ireland both beat them in the year before. Was a fantastic game from England but they weren't the first
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27/11/2020 00:15:51 5 1
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Pity he couldn't find a way to beat Sth. Africa in the match that really counts i.e. the FINAL !
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27/11/2020 00:50:10 1 1
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Worth noting that John Mitchell, former NZ coach, was part of that coaching team. His fingerprints were all over that game in Yokohama.
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27/11/2020 01:41:14 5 6
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Such arrogance. Typical of a needy Englishman. Looked to me like Ire had shown the world how to beat the AB in 16 and 18. Weren't Eng hiding from the AB back then? Hasn't faced them since 14. When they finally slithered out of hiding, the the AB played them off the Twickenham pitch in 18.
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27/11/2020 16:39:33 0 0
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I'm English, but to be honest, I think the credit goes to Joe Schimdt's Ireland.

However if I was going to put a label on the way to beat NZ I'd call it the Corporal Jones Tactic, ...because the Kiwis don't like it up 'em.
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26/11/2020 15:53:12 66 8
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Should have gone for Pivac, the guy is working miracles with the Welsh.
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26/11/2020 17:37:56 19 6
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He is indeed. Finding new ways to lose.
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27/11/2020 09:25:30 0 2
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That was the “West is Best” crowd howling for the Scarlets coach to be promoted after they won one second rate trophy in 20 years!
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27/11/2020 16:33:32 1 0
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laugh out loud funny!
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26/11/2020 15:48:19 67 15
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As much as the England haters will not like to admit it, Eddie Jones found a way to beat NZ and since then other teams have replicated it. Teams used to pay the AB's too much respect and give them the time they wanted on the ball, whereas now teams know their beatable. When plan A doesn't work they look clueless at the moment. Still one of the best teams, no longer THE best.
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26/11/2020 15:54:58 65 9
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Spot on Cemery. Added to this it seems that referees are beginning to apply the same laws to them as other teams.
The myth has been shattered.
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LH
26/11/2020 16:24:15 11 7
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Yes, indeed, I think Wayne Barnes may have started that! No longer is the 'forward' pass' allowed to go unchallenged, nor is the perpetual offside by their Back Row! The thuggery has also (almost) disappeared, too, remember Brian O'Driscoll's 'treatment', and Jamie Joseph's 'stamp' on Lawrence Dallaglio??
What myth, that Brexit should comfortably destroy your country once and for all, lol. The problem is with that, it is not a myth it is already happening. English always get ahead of themselves. You are good, sure you are, but to underestimate NZ is only a really stupid thing to do. They will of course rise back up. So you know, less of that arrogance please, it typifies some of you English. Removed
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26/11/2020 16:51:23 5 3
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I love rugby, all rugby and I freely admit to being a rule-obsessive but I have to say that for me, the AB's do consistently push the rule boundaries. Yep, I know that all teams do but for me they have made it the way they play. So I fully expect a 'very agressive' game plan for the match against the Pumas in the hope that will see them through.
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26/11/2020 20:59:15 1 1
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If that's true about the laws thank heavens. I think that Argentina are going to get their comeuppance.
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26/11/2020 22:37:01 5 4
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If it's true that referees are beginning to apply the same laws to them as to other teams, you are, in effect, accusing every single rugby referee in the world over the last few decades of collusion in cheating. That's a disgraceful accusation to make, and all you have are your perceptions, notoriously untrustworthy at arriving at the truth. I'm a Brit, but I recognise excellence in sport.
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27/11/2020 09:06:06 0 1
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Very good point. Every time they played you'd see them getting away with forward passes.
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27/11/2020 13:18:17 0 0
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spot on about the refs
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26/11/2020 16:00:36 11 3
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Safe v progressive coach. They went for safe. NZ not evolving but stalling
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26/11/2020 16:17:06 6 13
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Losing to Argentina was a huge blow to AB and that was masterminded by Michael Chieka as consultant/adviser.Argentina have been in a Covid bubble for months with players away from their families so they had nothing to do except plan and rehearse their tactics. On current form few sides including England would be able to beat Argentina.
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26/11/2020 16:24:33 1 18
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That is quite an arrogant comment. English?.
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LH
26/11/2020 16:25:49 1 1
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Eh?????
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26/11/2020 15:48:19 67 15
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As much as the England haters will not like to admit it, Eddie Jones found a way to beat NZ and since then other teams have replicated it. Teams used to pay the AB's too much respect and give them the time they wanted on the ball, whereas now teams know their beatable. When plan A doesn't work they look clueless at the moment. Still one of the best teams, no longer THE best.
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LH
26/11/2020 16:20:37 10 5
bbc
Hear, hear! WAY too much respect was (and still is) given to New Zealand rugby! Remember, they were continual 'chokers' at RWC for a few years! The demise of Aus rugby is another thing, remember their wonderful sides of the 80s and 90s?
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26/11/2020 15:54:58 65 9
bbc
Spot on Cemery. Added to this it seems that referees are beginning to apply the same laws to them as other teams.
The myth has been shattered.
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LH
26/11/2020 16:24:15 11 7
bbc
Yes, indeed, I think Wayne Barnes may have started that! No longer is the 'forward' pass' allowed to go unchallenged, nor is the perpetual offside by their Back Row! The thuggery has also (almost) disappeared, too, remember Brian O'Driscoll's 'treatment', and Jamie Joseph's 'stamp' on Lawrence Dallaglio??
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26/11/2020 17:18:39 5 2
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It was actually his stamp on Kyran Bracken at Twickenham in 1993, in which they lost 15-9!
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26/11/2020 20:19:57 3 1
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Wasn’t it a stamp on SH UNDERSTUDY to Les Dawson, Kieran Bracken’s ankle ??
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27/11/2020 10:55:01 0 0
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Wasn't that Keiran Bracken?
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26/11/2020 16:24:18 1 6
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Yeah as a Kiwi, they have the wrong coach. But they are rebuilding and have great players, but the combinations are all wrong. I mean Ione at 6, really Foster. Sam Cane as captain too, probably premature. NZ are much better than Argentina, but it is the combinations and not such a great Manager that is the major concern. @JOHN WESTLAKE, NZ are much better than Argentina and you know it.
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26/11/2020 16:44:02 3 2
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Your only as good as your last game

Bring back Buck ??
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26/11/2020 18:22:24 1 1
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Yes...I know NZ are much better than Argentina usually, but they weren't last week. That's sport. Why not congratulate Argentina? If you're a real rugby man you would.
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26/11/2020 16:17:06 6 13
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Losing to Argentina was a huge blow to AB and that was masterminded by Michael Chieka as consultant/adviser.Argentina have been in a Covid bubble for months with players away from their families so they had nothing to do except plan and rehearse their tactics. On current form few sides including England would be able to beat Argentina.
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26/11/2020 16:24:33 1 18
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That is quite an arrogant comment. English?.
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26/11/2020 16:54:34 2 3
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So, understanding grammar and sentence construction isn't taught in NZ schools then? Too busy teaching you about imperial colonialism I guess.
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26/11/2020 17:10:43 7 2
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Hahaha. I think you need to look up the word arrogant.
They literally say that any team in the world would have struggled to beat the pumas in that game and you say arrogant....
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26/11/2020 17:25:23 3 3
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Both you and your cousins across the Tasman Sea are not well versed or sophisticated when it comes to the English language I see!

You have no equivalent to Shakespeare and never will! Nor do you make any contributions to the English language like the OED!

Might be wise to undertake evening classes in the English language.
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26/11/2020 17:42:53 2 1
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I seem to remember some pretty arrogant statements coming from you pre WC, how did that go btw?
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26/11/2020 21:31:23 1 1
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What? Do you not understand plain English?
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26/11/2020 16:17:06 6 13
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Losing to Argentina was a huge blow to AB and that was masterminded by Michael Chieka as consultant/adviser.Argentina have been in a Covid bubble for months with players away from their families so they had nothing to do except plan and rehearse their tactics. On current form few sides including England would be able to beat Argentina.
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LH
26/11/2020 16:25:49 1 1
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Eh?????
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26/11/2020 16:26:15 4 3
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Think NZ will win on Saturday. Argentina were exceptional against the ABs 2 weeks ago but were lucky to get a draw against the wallabies last week. Fatigue and injury is starting to catch up with them. But good news for the Championship which looks to be streets ahead of the 6 Nations in entertainment and quality.
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26/11/2020 16:47:41 4 2
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Don’t underestimate Argentina’s emotional tendencies..... he may of been a footballer but I bet the Pumas will be motivated by Maradona’s passing.... the country is in mourning for 3 days.... the players are locked away in a bubble.... it all adds up to another tough game for the AB’s
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26/11/2020 17:24:01 0 2
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I thought that Austarlia were lucky to get the draw last week. Argentina came back strong in the second half and were bossing the game at the end.
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26/11/2020 15:48:19 67 15
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As much as the England haters will not like to admit it, Eddie Jones found a way to beat NZ and since then other teams have replicated it. Teams used to pay the AB's too much respect and give them the time they wanted on the ball, whereas now teams know their beatable. When plan A doesn't work they look clueless at the moment. Still one of the best teams, no longer THE best.
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26/11/2020 16:26:34 4 20
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Not at the moment, but heard all this propaganda before from you English. If you think NZ are dead and buried, then you are wrong. They always find a way back and although not on form at the moment, do not underestimate them, that is stupid. As for England, you won 1 past NZ since 2013, RWC 2019, just saying. That statistic is likely to remain too as NZ will improve.
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26/11/2020 17:19:47 1 1
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Nice to see there's still plenty of optimism around in New Zealand Rugby.
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27/11/2020 13:19:33 0 0
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lets hope the refs do as well
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27/11/2020 13:24:14 1 1
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2013-2019 may seem like a long time but lets not forget they only played eachother once between 2015 & the world cup. Of which if it wasn't for a Underhill disallowed try they were the better team in that game too. Not forgetting the Lions wins of which plenty of English lads were playing.

English players have build confidence against NZ over the years. Now so are the rest of the world.
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26/11/2020 15:54:58 65 9
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Spot on Cemery. Added to this it seems that referees are beginning to apply the same laws to them as other teams.
The myth has been shattered.
What myth, that Brexit should comfortably destroy your country once and for all, lol. The problem is with that, it is not a myth it is already happening. English always get ahead of themselves. You are good, sure you are, but to underestimate NZ is only a really stupid thing to do. They will of course rise back up. So you know, less of that arrogance please, it typifies some of you English. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:20:41 3 2
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Typifies some of you Kiwis too.
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26/11/2020 20:13:30 6 2
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Let’s just say your foresight hasn’t been the best though, has it, pal. Your RWC predictions about NZ crushing England were hardly accurate and to be frank, with all your hate of England, you seem ever so slightly deranged.
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26/11/2020 15:34:27 4 7
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Yup. Too many middle-aged white men in the AB's coaching set-up. Ian Foster was a safe and boring option. They only gave him two years, which doesn't inspire confidence. Jamie Joseph should be involved. NZ rugby need to get better representation, considering the number of Maori and Pacific Islanders that play for the ABs.
Yeah of course you have won so many World Cups and have such an amazing record dont ya, lol. Shut up you ignorant English plonker. Where do you breed you English, haha?. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:08:27 1 1
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Love this one. You had a brewski didn't you.
"Where do you breed you English?"
In England mate.
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26/11/2020 16:30:29 30 2
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I wouldn't be concerned if I was an AB supporter. From an outsiders perspective they always seem to rethink post world cup and build towards the next world cup with a few 'fallow' years (if you can call it that) in the middle. At an international level too much is made of continued success. Success often comes in trying and failing with different ideas.
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26/11/2020 17:15:23 7 4
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Best comment on here well done sir
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27/11/2020 08:53:49 2 0
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Well said. ABs lose a few games and the world is going to end except it doesn’t. We’ve been here before more times than people care to remember. One thing that means the ABs will always come back is the strength of grass roots rugby in NZ. I’ve been watching the provincial championship games and they are full of guys putting their hands up for the ABs. Some of the best rugby I’ve seen for ages.
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26/11/2020 15:23:07 43 3
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Two consecutive loses and they are talking about changing their coach, blimey they should be Welsh!
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26/11/2020 16:31:40 11 27
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Yeah, but ermm, Wales simply does not have the record of NZ or the mentality, the same applies to all the British sides. At the moment England are the better side, but as per NZ will rise to the challenge and I am sure dispatch England and vice versa. But as a Kiwi, have to say, yes I am glad I am not Welsh, but then again Wales is simply not on ABS level, sorry. Different mentality too.
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26/11/2020 16:39:18 3 1
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Welsh light humour and tongue in cheek comment ...
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26/11/2020 17:06:12 7 1
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Oooops. You are at it again. Now here is an example of arrogance... from you.
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26/11/2020 17:45:46 8 2
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Absolutely agree there is a different mentality. Welsh lack that phenomenal level of self righteousness of NZ.
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26/11/2020 15:20:50 90 4
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All things come to an end. The All Blacks remain an outstanding rugby team with the highest of standards but nobody wins by right!

A few chastening defeats to add to ones last year might actually do them and some of their fans a lot of good!
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:01:02 24 2
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But if you read what he said he didn't assume what you are thinking. Didn't do anything other than say it might do nz some good. That is an opinion... not arrogance. We know you are a good team but lashing out at people with a different opinion doesn't make you a good fan.
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26/11/2020 17:27:23 14 3
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Brexit has nothing to do with this forum. Just stick to the Rugby.
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26/11/2020 18:12:57 9 3
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Actually it was precisely people like you who I was talking about. Inadequates who rely on a sporting team to bolster their self-esteem. In England we have football for that sort of thing but in NZ it happens in rugby.

PS: I have lived and worked in New Zealand. There's even a building in Wellington University names after an ancestor.

PPS: Aren't you supposed to be in Brazil or something?
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26/11/2020 15:20:50 90 4
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All things come to an end. The All Blacks remain an outstanding rugby team with the highest of standards but nobody wins by right!

A few chastening defeats to add to ones last year might actually do them and some of their fans a lot of good!
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Are you thinking Brexit was your big F up, hmm? Removed
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26/11/2020 16:44:05 11 2
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Is there an echo in here?...
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26/11/2020 16:31:40 11 27
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Yeah, but ermm, Wales simply does not have the record of NZ or the mentality, the same applies to all the British sides. At the moment England are the better side, but as per NZ will rise to the challenge and I am sure dispatch England and vice versa. But as a Kiwi, have to say, yes I am glad I am not Welsh, but then again Wales is simply not on ABS level, sorry. Different mentality too.
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26/11/2020 16:39:18 3 1
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Welsh light humour and tongue in cheek comment ...
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26/11/2020 16:43:05 6 2
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With the conveyor belt of talent that they have, it is only a matter of time before they hit the right combinations. Until then, there will always be a few anomalies along the way. The problem, as I see it, many countries have broken conveyor belts resulting in a dearth of talent coming through. There is evidently one close to home that needs to be fixed. NZ have no worries, they'll come good.
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26/11/2020 16:24:18 1 6
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Yeah as a Kiwi, they have the wrong coach. But they are rebuilding and have great players, but the combinations are all wrong. I mean Ione at 6, really Foster. Sam Cane as captain too, probably premature. NZ are much better than Argentina, but it is the combinations and not such a great Manager that is the major concern. @JOHN WESTLAKE, NZ are much better than Argentina and you know it.
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26/11/2020 16:44:02 3 2
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Your only as good as your last game

Bring back Buck ??
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Are you thinking Brexit was your big F up, hmm? Removed
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26/11/2020 16:44:05 11 2
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Is there an echo in here?...
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26/11/2020 18:54:41 2 1
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Is there an echo in here?
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26/11/2020 16:46:19 5 2
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I cannot see the ABs falling again this w/e.
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26/11/2020 16:26:15 4 3
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Think NZ will win on Saturday. Argentina were exceptional against the ABs 2 weeks ago but were lucky to get a draw against the wallabies last week. Fatigue and injury is starting to catch up with them. But good news for the Championship which looks to be streets ahead of the 6 Nations in entertainment and quality.
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26/11/2020 16:47:41 4 2
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Don’t underestimate Argentina’s emotional tendencies..... he may of been a footballer but I bet the Pumas will be motivated by Maradona’s passing.... the country is in mourning for 3 days.... the players are locked away in a bubble.... it all adds up to another tough game for the AB’s
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26/11/2020 17:17:10 1 2
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There south americans theyl collapse like a souffle in a cupboard ??
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26/11/2020 15:54:58 65 9
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Spot on Cemery. Added to this it seems that referees are beginning to apply the same laws to them as other teams.
The myth has been shattered.
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26/11/2020 16:51:23 5 3
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I love rugby, all rugby and I freely admit to being a rule-obsessive but I have to say that for me, the AB's do consistently push the rule boundaries. Yep, I know that all teams do but for me they have made it the way they play. So I fully expect a 'very agressive' game plan for the match against the Pumas in the hope that will see them through.
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27/11/2020 16:05:51 0 0
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*Law
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26/11/2020 16:51:46 36 6
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Feel sorry for the players and coaches under this pressure. Don't feel quite so sorry for the smug NZ fans - nice to see them sweat (for a change)!!
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26/11/2020 21:13:43 12 4
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Neither do I. Most of them are convinced that they invented rugby.
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26/11/2020 23:17:43 2 1
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They're not all smug...
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27/11/2020 07:49:50 11 0
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Come to NZ, you'll find most of us found the Argies were better on the day. They wanted it more and good on them. Not a good result for NZ, but great for rugby.
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27/11/2020 12:09:42 5 2
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Must agree with you. The weird thing is ,most NZ cricket fans are lovely, reasoned, well balanced people but NZ rugby fans are the complete opposite.
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26/11/2020 16:24:33 1 18
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That is quite an arrogant comment. English?.
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26/11/2020 16:54:34 2 3
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So, understanding grammar and sentence construction isn't taught in NZ schools then? Too busy teaching you about imperial colonialism I guess.
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27/11/2020 12:42:32 0 1
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Your education system is modelled on NZ’s or did you not know that? NZ has given hundreds of ‘firsts’ to the world from a tiny little pacific island nation.
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26/11/2020 16:56:48 3 1
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Should have appointed Dave Rennie.
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26/11/2020 17:35:59 0 3
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Ah yes, the one that got away, but his record isn't much better. Played 5 won 1, Drawn 2, Lost 2!!
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26/11/2020 16:57:40 14 4
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Only the ABs would talk of a crisis after two losses! Any other team would only dream of their record.
Think they will be ultra fired up for game.
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26/11/2020 17:05:52 5 19
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Shows how much you know!

It’s 2 wins from 5 rather than just 2 losses.
And it’s Fosters dubious selections and his general half wit behaviour that are the real issues.

Get back on the English HYS! Rugby men only here!
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26/11/2020 17:00:26 3 3
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Don’t think the RM BB @ 10/15 is working for them, be interesting to see how long it stays.

I guess it’s a sign of how prevalent negativity isn’t in society. Coaches use a relatively quiet time to experiment, it doesn’t work they get slated. Coaches go more conservative , win game/series , get slated.

Hope arg can get back to last NZ games level, thought they dropped off a little vs aus.
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:01:02 24 2
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But if you read what he said he didn't assume what you are thinking. Didn't do anything other than say it might do nz some good. That is an opinion... not arrogance. We know you are a good team but lashing out at people with a different opinion doesn't make you a good fan.
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27/11/2020 01:21:49 2 8
bbc
'....... lashing out at people with a different opinion doesn't make you a good fan.'

You're right....It makes you English.
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26/11/2020 17:01:12 4 5
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NZ! Take Pivac please!

Looks like the kiwis have lost their mojo.
For good? To think, England once led the world in football.

Hey ho.
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26/11/2020 17:06:13 4 4
bbc
England invented the game.
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26/11/2020 17:22:23 4 4
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England winning football WC was not really different to Sunderland or Wimbledon winning the FA Cup. England have never led the world in football.
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26/11/2020 18:03:44 2 1
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When was the last time Wales beat the AB?
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26/11/2020 21:29:20 2 1
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What in God's name wrong with you? You just post anti English drivel. I wish BBC wld ban you.
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26/11/2020 16:57:40 14 4
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Only the ABs would talk of a crisis after two losses! Any other team would only dream of their record.
Think they will be ultra fired up for game.
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26/11/2020 17:05:52 5 19
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Shows how much you know!

It’s 2 wins from 5 rather than just 2 losses.
And it’s Fosters dubious selections and his general half wit behaviour that are the real issues.

Get back on the English HYS! Rugby men only here!
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26/11/2020 17:14:02 7 1
bbc
What a rude dog you are behave yourself....
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27/11/2020 07:03:50 1 0
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Oooooooo, put the handbag away dearie
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26/11/2020 16:31:40 11 27
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Yeah, but ermm, Wales simply does not have the record of NZ or the mentality, the same applies to all the British sides. At the moment England are the better side, but as per NZ will rise to the challenge and I am sure dispatch England and vice versa. But as a Kiwi, have to say, yes I am glad I am not Welsh, but then again Wales is simply not on ABS level, sorry. Different mentality too.
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26/11/2020 17:06:12 7 1
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Oooops. You are at it again. Now here is an example of arrogance... from you.
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26/11/2020 17:01:12 4 5
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NZ! Take Pivac please!

Looks like the kiwis have lost their mojo.
For good? To think, England once led the world in football.

Hey ho.
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26/11/2020 17:06:13 4 4
bbc
England invented the game.
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26/11/2020 17:12:42 5 1
bbc
England invented everything.
Yeah of course you have won so many World Cups and have such an amazing record dont ya, lol. Shut up you ignorant English plonker. Where do you breed you English, haha?. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:08:27 1 1
bbc
Love this one. You had a brewski didn't you.
"Where do you breed you English?"
In England mate.
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26/11/2020 16:24:33 1 18
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That is quite an arrogant comment. English?.
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26/11/2020 17:10:43 7 2
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Hahaha. I think you need to look up the word arrogant.
They literally say that any team in the world would have struggled to beat the pumas in that game and you say arrogant....
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26/11/2020 17:12:13 73 4
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Personally, I would like to see Argentina do a number on the AB'S again. Not because I harbour any dislike of the AB's, purely because, in the interests of rugby worldwide, what a boost this would give to all the Tier 2 nations etc. Rugby needs this at this time and needs to grow more worldwide. So, Vamos Argentina!!!!!! Get stuck into them.
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Bob
26/11/2020 17:14:41 30 60
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and ABs fans would love to see Italy beat England, not because of any dislike but because it would be good for rugby. jog on joker
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26/11/2020 18:23:07 10 9
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Last time l looked Argentina were a tier1 sided who apart from last year have consistently preformed well at World Cups. Certainly did a lot better than England in their home World Cup 2015, Semi Finals l believe!!
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27/11/2020 07:13:08 2 0
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I echo your sentiments however Argentina are a well established tier 1 nation, regular fixture in world cup semi finals over the years. Italy they are not.
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26/11/2020 17:06:13 4 4
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England invented the game.
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26/11/2020 17:12:42 5 1
bbc
England invented everything.
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26/11/2020 17:20:56 4 5
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No they didnt - they just like to think that they did.
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Bob
26/11/2020 17:13:12 3 3
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as someone from NZ and a lifelong AB fan, it is always painful when the ABs lose, regardless. in this instance there are numerous excuses/reaosns that Foster can throw at around - its a new squad, we are bringing players through, the WC is 3.5 years away, its a Covid year. all valid but he still has to go and he has to go now, the team has no direction and has lost their identity. Razor in asap.
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26/11/2020 18:40:43 4 2
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It’s hard to not find this is a little drastic - as a welsh fan, if we thought like that we’d be changing coaches every 6 months. The All blacks just aren’t as good as they were and other teams are better. England and South Africa are ahead of them and as we all know they just lost two on the bounce. AB superiority won’t last forever and it’ll make the game better the sooner that happens.
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27/11/2020 08:45:41 0 2
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Interesting that about reasons/excuses. Normally when they lose it's "at the end of our season" or "at the beginning of our season." You never beat them thro being a better team. Ah well.
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26/11/2020 17:05:52 5 19
bbc
Shows how much you know!

It’s 2 wins from 5 rather than just 2 losses.
And it’s Fosters dubious selections and his general half wit behaviour that are the real issues.

Get back on the English HYS! Rugby men only here!
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26/11/2020 17:14:02 7 1
bbc
What a rude dog you are behave yourself....
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26/11/2020 17:12:13 73 4
bbc
Personally, I would like to see Argentina do a number on the AB'S again. Not because I harbour any dislike of the AB's, purely because, in the interests of rugby worldwide, what a boost this would give to all the Tier 2 nations etc. Rugby needs this at this time and needs to grow more worldwide. So, Vamos Argentina!!!!!! Get stuck into them.
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Bob
26/11/2020 17:14:41 30 60
bbc
and ABs fans would love to see Italy beat England, not because of any dislike but because it would be good for rugby. jog on joker
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26/11/2020 17:53:57 19 6
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Where did he say that he was English...? If he's gunning for tier 2 nations there's a good chance he's Welsh...
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27/11/2020 01:52:12 3 0
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ha ha ha ha
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27/11/2020 10:59:15 8 2
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I wouldn't mind Italy beating England at rugby if they were the best team on the day. I would congratulate them.

...and it would be good for Italian rugby and sport in general. The underdog has to win occasionally or there really is no sport!

I have also lived and worked in Italy. The food's lovely and I never had to put up with the kind of crap you get from our nearest neighbours!
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27/11/2020 12:03:47 1 0
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Well they would, all fans would like to see Italy beat a top nation that is not theres etc in the interests of rugby dev. I dont get your jog on joker bit
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27/11/2020 15:20:08 0 0
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I think you're lost mate, this is the rugby page.

Football page is over there. You can't miss it, it's chocca block with people like you.

Now run along, your lager will go flat.
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27/11/2020 15:53:37 2 0
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Anyone else think that the phrase "jog on" is one of the most childish in use?
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27/11/2020 20:49:00 0 0
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But Italy beating England WOULD be good for Rugby. Of course we don’t like to see our team lose, but we also must see the bigger picture.
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26/11/2020 16:30:29 30 2
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I wouldn't be concerned if I was an AB supporter. From an outsiders perspective they always seem to rethink post world cup and build towards the next world cup with a few 'fallow' years (if you can call it that) in the middle. At an international level too much is made of continued success. Success often comes in trying and failing with different ideas.
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26/11/2020 17:15:23 7 4
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Best comment on here well done sir
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26/11/2020 16:47:41 4 2
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Don’t underestimate Argentina’s emotional tendencies..... he may of been a footballer but I bet the Pumas will be motivated by Maradona’s passing.... the country is in mourning for 3 days.... the players are locked away in a bubble.... it all adds up to another tough game for the AB’s
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26/11/2020 17:17:10 1 2
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There south americans theyl collapse like a souffle in a cupboard ??
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LH
26/11/2020 16:24:15 11 7
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Yes, indeed, I think Wayne Barnes may have started that! No longer is the 'forward' pass' allowed to go unchallenged, nor is the perpetual offside by their Back Row! The thuggery has also (almost) disappeared, too, remember Brian O'Driscoll's 'treatment', and Jamie Joseph's 'stamp' on Lawrence Dallaglio??
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26/11/2020 17:18:39 5 2
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It was actually his stamp on Kyran Bracken at Twickenham in 1993, in which they lost 15-9!
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27/11/2020 06:57:50 0 1
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Rememeber it well. Drank self-silly in Oxford. There was a Kiwi chap doing the haka in the tap room and giving it large. He was a bit humble later! Was a good chap though. Even though we won that one none of us were deluding ourselves that the ABs were anything other than the best in the world in 1993. I always liked John Timu at FB.
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26/11/2020 16:26:34 4 20
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Not at the moment, but heard all this propaganda before from you English. If you think NZ are dead and buried, then you are wrong. They always find a way back and although not on form at the moment, do not underestimate them, that is stupid. As for England, you won 1 past NZ since 2013, RWC 2019, just saying. That statistic is likely to remain too as NZ will improve.
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26/11/2020 17:19:47 1 1
bbc
Nice to see there's still plenty of optimism around in New Zealand Rugby.
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26/11/2020 17:19:49 16 1
bbc
It's remarkable really how consistent NZ have been for years and years but Ireland two victories over NZ since the 2015 RWC gave teams a glimmer of hope.

Then England comfortably beat them in the 2019 RWC.

Now Argentina have taken inspiration from this.

NZ can easily turn this around. Still got the resources to do so.

Their win record against everyone is still amazing.
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26/11/2020 18:21:48 26 10
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Resources? Yep, all of the Pacific islands.
What myth, that Brexit should comfortably destroy your country once and for all, lol. The problem is with that, it is not a myth it is already happening. English always get ahead of themselves. You are good, sure you are, but to underestimate NZ is only a really stupid thing to do. They will of course rise back up. So you know, less of that arrogance please, it typifies some of you English. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:20:41 3 2
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Typifies some of you Kiwis too.
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26/11/2020 17:12:42 5 1
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England invented everything.
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26/11/2020 17:20:56 4 5
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No they didnt - they just like to think that they did.
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26/11/2020 20:31:13 0 1
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The C5
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26/11/2020 15:34:27 4 7
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Yup. Too many middle-aged white men in the AB's coaching set-up. Ian Foster was a safe and boring option. They only gave him two years, which doesn't inspire confidence. Jamie Joseph should be involved. NZ rugby need to get better representation, considering the number of Maori and Pacific Islanders that play for the ABs.
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26/11/2020 17:21:52 1 2
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Haven't they already got plenty of that by poaching players from the South Sea Islanders.
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26/11/2020 20:56:25 2 1
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Ah, that old chestnut. You do know that New Zealand is a collection of islands in the South Pacific, right? And that just about all of the players with Samoan or Tongan heritage were either born in NZ, or their families moved here when they were kids? Take a closer look at the number of Kiwis/Samoans/Tongans in the "home nations" sides before you cast too many stones.
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27/11/2020 12:29:45 0 0
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Even Stephen Jones has given up on that old tripe. Maybe it’s time you educated yourself and follow suit?
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26/11/2020 17:01:12 4 5
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NZ! Take Pivac please!

Looks like the kiwis have lost their mojo.
For good? To think, England once led the world in football.

Hey ho.
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26/11/2020 17:22:23 4 4
bbc
England winning football WC was not really different to Sunderland or Wimbledon winning the FA Cup. England have never led the world in football.
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26/11/2020 15:23:16 3 5
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I wish Wales had appointed Scott Robertson when Gatland left, hopefully he’ll be an assistant on the Lions tour.....

Crusaders play some lovely rugby, better than the kickfest rubbish we see up here
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26/11/2020 17:23:06 2 1
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And down there I might add. New Zealand kick the ball just as much as anyone else. The difference is, they are better at using turn over and counter-attacking ball than most.
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26/11/2020 16:26:15 4 3
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Think NZ will win on Saturday. Argentina were exceptional against the ABs 2 weeks ago but were lucky to get a draw against the wallabies last week. Fatigue and injury is starting to catch up with them. But good news for the Championship which looks to be streets ahead of the 6 Nations in entertainment and quality.
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26/11/2020 17:24:01 0 2
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I thought that Austarlia were lucky to get the draw last week. Argentina came back strong in the second half and were bossing the game at the end.
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26/11/2020 15:23:07 43 3
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Two consecutive loses and they are talking about changing their coach, blimey they should be Welsh!
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26/11/2020 17:24:26 1 1
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Indeed, where you seem to lurch from one crisis to another. Plenty of refreshing required in the Welsh ranks, so results are going to be mixed for awhile.
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26/11/2020 16:24:33 1 18
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That is quite an arrogant comment. English?.
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26/11/2020 17:25:23 3 3
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Both you and your cousins across the Tasman Sea are not well versed or sophisticated when it comes to the English language I see!

You have no equivalent to Shakespeare and never will! Nor do you make any contributions to the English language like the OED!

Might be wise to undertake evening classes in the English language.
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27/11/2020 12:38:49 0 2
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Your Empire is gone! Face the facts! You can cling on to the past all you like but it won’t stop you from becoming a bunch of Vegan pansies. Just look around you at all the snowflakes and junkies in your society and see how hard it would be to ever contemplate being powerful again. If it wasn’t for your former colonies of Canada, Australia and New Zealand you would have lost both world wars.
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26/11/2020 15:20:50 90 4
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All things come to an end. The All Blacks remain an outstanding rugby team with the highest of standards but nobody wins by right!

A few chastening defeats to add to ones last year might actually do them and some of their fans a lot of good!
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26/11/2020 17:26:31 14 3
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Might make them more humble in stead of thinking they have a divine right to win all the time. They thought the World Cup was already sown up last year, before it had even started and even more so after they beat the Springboks in their group.
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26/11/2020 20:33:35 10 3
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Not all AB fans thought it was a forgone conclusion. I talked to AB fans on the way to the ground on semi-final day and they were worried by England. Like every team, everywhere in the world...some fans good, some bad.
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:27:23 14 3
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Brexit has nothing to do with this forum. Just stick to the Rugby.
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26/11/2020 17:35:09 1 1
bbc
I'm happy to give Ian more of a chance. Many of those saying: "they got it wrong, it should have been Scott" were also saying: "they got it wrong, should have been Robbie" after NZ reappointed Graham Henry then lost to Deans' Oz by 15 points first up. Many saying "first time lost 2 in a row since 2011". Well Ian was assistant 2012-19, so must have done something right.
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26/11/2020 17:53:46 0 1
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Absolutely. Perhaps its just that other teams have found a way to rattle and beat the All Blacks rather than standing back and admiring what they can do. Equally, perhaps the players they have at their disposal now, are not quite as good, collectively as what they had between 2010-2016. Just saying.
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26/11/2020 16:56:48 3 1
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Should have appointed Dave Rennie.
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26/11/2020 17:35:59 0 3
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Ah yes, the one that got away, but his record isn't much better. Played 5 won 1, Drawn 2, Lost 2!!
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26/11/2020 17:37:15 57 9
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I don’t think it’s a crisis

It’s probably just hitting home that the refereeing world has grown up and are no longer intimidated by the kiwi jersey. Video ref on the game (no bad thing imho) has meant that the consistently off side, late hits, high hits etc are being addressed and yellow/red carded, and rightly so.
Winning by the rules is harder when you are on a level playing field.
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26/11/2020 18:02:18 23 3
bbc
See it doesn’t hurt giving credit to the refs, they are very good most of the time
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26/11/2020 18:16:55 6 2
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The world of refereeing still has to wise up to the pop-pass that's a foot forward. Always gives that extra half-second!
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26/11/2020 18:25:40 3 3
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Good points . Reason why they couldn’t put the lions away last time was sonny bills red card . He’d have got away with that 10 years ago .
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26/11/2020 15:53:12 66 8
bbc
Should have gone for Pivac, the guy is working miracles with the Welsh.
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26/11/2020 17:37:56 19 6
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He is indeed. Finding new ways to lose.
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26/11/2020 17:40:09 25 2
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No such thing as a poor AB side.
Just every now and then....well once or twice in a blue moon....are they not very good.
Watch out for the backlash this weekend.
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26/11/2020 16:24:33 1 18
bbc
That is quite an arrogant comment. English?.
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26/11/2020 17:42:53 2 1
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I seem to remember some pretty arrogant statements coming from you pre WC, how did that go btw?
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GR
26/11/2020 17:43:13 5 4
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They can have Pivac if they like, seems to be the natural way of things, Wales and then back to NZ.
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26/11/2020 17:50:25 5 2
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Is coaching the Welsh team an apprenticeship for then taking on the All Blacks job?
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26/11/2020 16:31:40 11 27
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Yeah, but ermm, Wales simply does not have the record of NZ or the mentality, the same applies to all the British sides. At the moment England are the better side, but as per NZ will rise to the challenge and I am sure dispatch England and vice versa. But as a Kiwi, have to say, yes I am glad I am not Welsh, but then again Wales is simply not on ABS level, sorry. Different mentality too.
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26/11/2020 17:45:46 8 2
bbc
Absolutely agree there is a different mentality. Welsh lack that phenomenal level of self righteousness of NZ.
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GR
26/11/2020 17:43:13 5 4
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They can have Pivac if they like, seems to be the natural way of things, Wales and then back to NZ.
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26/11/2020 17:50:25 5 2
bbc
Is coaching the Welsh team an apprenticeship for then taking on the All Blacks job?
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26/11/2020 18:15:01 0 1
bbc
Henry and Steve Hanson have coached Wales and the All Blacks! Two good coaches for the All Blacks.. Gatland was aiming to follow but after the Super Rugby Covid stoppage led to The Chiefs loss of form then the Lions next year seem to have knocked that on the head!!
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26/11/2020 18:49:09 7 1
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Yep. Because Wales are the Northern hemisphere version of the All Blacks. Apart from wearing red and being useless.
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26/11/2020 20:23:56 1 2
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Yes, the similarity is expectation on their respective teams performance. The NZ public expect to win, and the Welsh public expect to lose. They are right 90 percent of the time.
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26/11/2020 17:35:09 1 1
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I'm happy to give Ian more of a chance. Many of those saying: "they got it wrong, it should have been Scott" were also saying: "they got it wrong, should have been Robbie" after NZ reappointed Graham Henry then lost to Deans' Oz by 15 points first up. Many saying "first time lost 2 in a row since 2011". Well Ian was assistant 2012-19, so must have done something right.
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26/11/2020 17:53:46 0 1
bbc
Absolutely. Perhaps its just that other teams have found a way to rattle and beat the All Blacks rather than standing back and admiring what they can do. Equally, perhaps the players they have at their disposal now, are not quite as good, collectively as what they had between 2010-2016. Just saying.
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27/11/2020 14:30:02 0 0
bbc
Little doubt that the AB team of the early 2010s was one of the best ever. Those that have gone haven't been replaced with their equal, and those that remain are aging and not what they were. Still a very good team, but more vulnerable until the re-building is done.
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Bob
26/11/2020 17:14:41 30 60
bbc
and ABs fans would love to see Italy beat England, not because of any dislike but because it would be good for rugby. jog on joker
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26/11/2020 17:53:57 19 6
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Where did he say that he was English...? If he's gunning for tier 2 nations there's a good chance he's Welsh...
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Dad
27/11/2020 09:11:04 5 2
bbc
I notice there's no suggestion of Wales beating the ABs. Some things are just too ridiculous to be imagined.
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26/11/2020 17:37:15 57 9
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I don’t think it’s a crisis

It’s probably just hitting home that the refereeing world has grown up and are no longer intimidated by the kiwi jersey. Video ref on the game (no bad thing imho) has meant that the consistently off side, late hits, high hits etc are being addressed and yellow/red carded, and rightly so.
Winning by the rules is harder when you are on a level playing field.
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26/11/2020 18:02:18 23 3
bbc
See it doesn’t hurt giving credit to the refs, they are very good most of the time
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26/11/2020 17:01:12 4 5
bbc
NZ! Take Pivac please!

Looks like the kiwis have lost their mojo.
For good? To think, England once led the world in football.

Hey ho.
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26/11/2020 18:03:44 2 1
bbc
When was the last time Wales beat the AB?
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Gaz
26/11/2020 18:10:00 19 3
bbc
We are discussing two games from the last 50 years, which just shows how good and consistent the all blacks have been. Says it all.
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26/11/2020 21:15:52 10 3
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Amen.

Thought they'd implode after 2011 (getting the monkey off their back) with everyone heading over here.
But it didn't happen (power of the jersey?) and in modern sport that's to be massively respected.

As is a population of under 5M perennially churning out a world-beating team.

And I love it when they lose!
But crisis?? Leave it out.

Ditto Crusaders as under-achievers?!?!
Yup, but also you have to be one of the most condescending people on the entire BBC forums pal. You are not a Kiwi, you have probably never lived in NZ, so your claims are quashed, purely because it is arrogance to assume what us Kiwi's are thinking, hmm?. Condescend your own people with Brexit please, not us Kiwis, it is rude and arrogant. Removed
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26/11/2020 18:12:57 9 3
bbc
Actually it was precisely people like you who I was talking about. Inadequates who rely on a sporting team to bolster their self-esteem. In England we have football for that sort of thing but in NZ it happens in rugby.

PS: I have lived and worked in New Zealand. There's even a building in Wellington University names after an ancestor.

PPS: Aren't you supposed to be in Brazil or something?
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26/11/2020 20:28:39 9 3
bbc
Everyone wants to talk about the ABs in NZ BUT TO BE FAIR there’s not a huge amount else going on there. Last time I was there a few days watching the morning news shows how little there is. Beautiful country but a backwater...
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26/11/2020 17:50:25 5 2
bbc
Is coaching the Welsh team an apprenticeship for then taking on the All Blacks job?
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26/11/2020 18:15:01 0 1
bbc
Henry and Steve Hanson have coached Wales and the All Blacks! Two good coaches for the All Blacks.. Gatland was aiming to follow but after the Super Rugby Covid stoppage led to The Chiefs loss of form then the Lions next year seem to have knocked that on the head!!
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26/11/2020 17:37:15 57 9
bbc
I don’t think it’s a crisis

It’s probably just hitting home that the refereeing world has grown up and are no longer intimidated by the kiwi jersey. Video ref on the game (no bad thing imho) has meant that the consistently off side, late hits, high hits etc are being addressed and yellow/red carded, and rightly so.
Winning by the rules is harder when you are on a level playing field.
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26/11/2020 18:16:55 6 2
bbc
The world of refereeing still has to wise up to the pop-pass that's a foot forward. Always gives that extra half-second!
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26/11/2020 17:19:49 16 1
bbc
It's remarkable really how consistent NZ have been for years and years but Ireland two victories over NZ since the 2015 RWC gave teams a glimmer of hope.

Then England comfortably beat them in the 2019 RWC.

Now Argentina have taken inspiration from this.

NZ can easily turn this around. Still got the resources to do so.

Their win record against everyone is still amazing.
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26/11/2020 18:21:48 26 10
bbc
Resources? Yep, all of the Pacific islands.
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26/11/2020 20:57:14 2 2
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Unlike everyone else...
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26/11/2020 23:19:59 5 2
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Most of those guys are born and raised in NZ.
England has a few Pasifika lads too!
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27/11/2020 00:59:01 6 1
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NZ are Pacific Islands - get a map out and lose the bitterness. Example = Caleb Clark is a NZ born Pacific Islander and his AB dad Eroni Clark is too. Try to keep up.
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27/11/2020 06:52:42 6 0
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Instead of throwing around rubbish remarks, do some research and tell us all how many of the Kiwi team were born outside NZ? Apply that same logic to all the NH teams and we can compare and contrast.
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27/11/2020 08:58:29 6 0
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What a ridiculous statement in this day and age. Stephen Jones doesn’t even harp on with this rubbish anymore. And in case you didn’t know it New Zealand IS a pacific island nation! Your pure ignorance astounds me.
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27/11/2020 09:30:19 2 0
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Watch Oceans Apart you'l find all the tier one teams are plundering the same resources without putting back anything into Pacific Rugby
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26/11/2020 16:24:18 1 6
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Yeah as a Kiwi, they have the wrong coach. But they are rebuilding and have great players, but the combinations are all wrong. I mean Ione at 6, really Foster. Sam Cane as captain too, probably premature. NZ are much better than Argentina, but it is the combinations and not such a great Manager that is the major concern. @JOHN WESTLAKE, NZ are much better than Argentina and you know it.
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26/11/2020 18:22:24 1 1
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Yes...I know NZ are much better than Argentina usually, but they weren't last week. That's sport. Why not congratulate Argentina? If you're a real rugby man you would.
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26/11/2020 17:12:13 73 4
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Personally, I would like to see Argentina do a number on the AB'S again. Not because I harbour any dislike of the AB's, purely because, in the interests of rugby worldwide, what a boost this would give to all the Tier 2 nations etc. Rugby needs this at this time and needs to grow more worldwide. So, Vamos Argentina!!!!!! Get stuck into them.
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26/11/2020 18:23:07 10 9
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Last time l looked Argentina were a tier1 sided who apart from last year have consistently preformed well at World Cups. Certainly did a lot better than England in their home World Cup 2015, Semi Finals l believe!!
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27/11/2020 03:28:35 3 1
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Ryosuke - what have England got to with it? Are you Welsh or scotch?
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26/11/2020 17:37:15 57 9
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I don’t think it’s a crisis

It’s probably just hitting home that the refereeing world has grown up and are no longer intimidated by the kiwi jersey. Video ref on the game (no bad thing imho) has meant that the consistently off side, late hits, high hits etc are being addressed and yellow/red carded, and rightly so.
Winning by the rules is harder when you are on a level playing field.
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26/11/2020 18:25:40 3 3
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Good points . Reason why they couldn’t put the lions away last time was sonny bills red card . He’d have got away with that 10 years ago .
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Bob
26/11/2020 17:13:12 3 3
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as someone from NZ and a lifelong AB fan, it is always painful when the ABs lose, regardless. in this instance there are numerous excuses/reaosns that Foster can throw at around - its a new squad, we are bringing players through, the WC is 3.5 years away, its a Covid year. all valid but he still has to go and he has to go now, the team has no direction and has lost their identity. Razor in asap.
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26/11/2020 18:40:43 4 2
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It’s hard to not find this is a little drastic - as a welsh fan, if we thought like that we’d be changing coaches every 6 months. The All blacks just aren’t as good as they were and other teams are better. England and South Africa are ahead of them and as we all know they just lost two on the bounce. AB superiority won’t last forever and it’ll make the game better the sooner that happens.
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26/11/2020 21:19:56 0 1
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Exactly when teams like Fiji get more game time and funding you will see them explode. Just look at Japan
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26/11/2020 18:41:54 31 2
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I reckon this game at the weekend might be similar to the game they played v Ireland in Dublin a few years ago, two weeks after Ireland beat them in Chicago- NZ were utterly ruthless because they have that mentality built in to them that they cannot be bettered by the same side more than once. That was a cracking Ireland side in a fiery Aviva and NZ won easily. Watch out Argentina!
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26/11/2020 22:37:17 5 1
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I think you’ve got all that spot on
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27/11/2020 08:29:30 2 1
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The ABs weren't just ruthless that day in Dublin, they were guilty of criminal assault on a couple of occasions! Totally outside the laws of the game and I don't believe, in the current climate, it would be allowed. If that last-resort brutality was part of what made sides play the ABs on the back foot, hopefully it's been legislated out of the game for good!
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W 6
27/11/2020 23:28:10 0 0
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Really good observation. They're too good to struggle for much longer regardless of the coach.
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26/11/2020 17:17:10 1 2
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There south americans theyl collapse like a souffle in a cupboard ??
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26/11/2020 17:50:25 5 2
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Is coaching the Welsh team an apprenticeship for then taking on the All Blacks job?
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26/11/2020 18:49:09 7 1
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Yep. Because Wales are the Northern hemisphere version of the All Blacks. Apart from wearing red and being useless.
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26/11/2020 19:23:04 0 1
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??
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GR
26/11/2020 20:03:59 1 1
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That's funny
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26/11/2020 18:49:24 24 14
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Shows refs are becoming wise to the perpetual infringements and foul play that all blacks have built their legacy off of. The times they are a changing.....
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26/11/2020 21:31:16 19 9
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maybe they will start to cotton on to Owen Farrell's constant tackling without hands and leading with the shoulder - I know it's his League background but he needs to stop getting away with it.
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Si
27/11/2020 06:56:30 3 2
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Perhaps the refs will also catch on to Itoje being offside when ever there is an important moment in the game, the new Alun Wyn Jones.
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26/11/2020 16:44:05 11 2
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Is there an echo in here?...
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-_-
26/11/2020 18:54:41 2 1
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Is there an echo in here?
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26/11/2020 19:45:10 1 2
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You already said that

Oh....d’oh!
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26/11/2020 18:54:52 0 1
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Argentina have changed most of their line up, so what will this game signify?
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26/11/2020 15:23:07 43 3
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Two consecutive loses and they are talking about changing their coach, blimey they should be Welsh!
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26/11/2020 19:10:13 0 4
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The Welsh are used to losing every week. In fact, I actually think they enjoy it.
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Ken
26/11/2020 19:21:27 9 5
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Defeat of the All Blacks can only be good for World Rugby.
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26/11/2020 18:49:09 7 1
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Yep. Because Wales are the Northern hemisphere version of the All Blacks. Apart from wearing red and being useless.
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26/11/2020 19:23:04 0 1
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??
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-_-
26/11/2020 18:54:41 2 1
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Is there an echo in here?
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26/11/2020 19:45:10 1 2
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You already said that

Oh....d’oh!
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26/11/2020 18:49:09 7 1
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Yep. Because Wales are the Northern hemisphere version of the All Blacks. Apart from wearing red and being useless.
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GR
26/11/2020 20:03:59 1 1
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That's funny
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kai
26/11/2020 20:09:44 1 1
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Reminds of wales this does, let's hope that both teams come through it and dont listen to the public who seem to write coaches of if they dont implement their away IMMEDIATELY regardless of how they used to play with their former coaches,the public along with the media expect it to happen within a day/match. Otherwise they call for change
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26/11/2020 20:16:50 7 4
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I have to say I've never seen anything in Wales that reminds me of New Zealand, except maybe the weather
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26/11/2020 20:12:23 6 1
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NZ remain a great side. Post world cup years are strange. Teams often rebuilding, new faces, things not quite clicking. No one will remember 2 losses if they do well over the next 2 years and at the next RWC.
What myth, that Brexit should comfortably destroy your country once and for all, lol. The problem is with that, it is not a myth it is already happening. English always get ahead of themselves. You are good, sure you are, but to underestimate NZ is only a really stupid thing to do. They will of course rise back up. So you know, less of that arrogance please, it typifies some of you English. Removed
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26/11/2020 20:13:30 6 2
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Let’s just say your foresight hasn’t been the best though, has it, pal. Your RWC predictions about NZ crushing England were hardly accurate and to be frank, with all your hate of England, you seem ever so slightly deranged.
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26/11/2020 20:15:09 2 3
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Too many Barretts and the wrong 10
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kai
26/11/2020 20:09:44 1 1
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Reminds of wales this does, let's hope that both teams come through it and dont listen to the public who seem to write coaches of if they dont implement their away IMMEDIATELY regardless of how they used to play with their former coaches,the public along with the media expect it to happen within a day/match. Otherwise they call for change
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26/11/2020 20:16:50 7 4
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I have to say I've never seen anything in Wales that reminds me of New Zealand, except maybe the weather
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26/11/2020 20:36:37 3 3
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Judging by your hatred of Wales...I can only surmise a Welshman did something rather wicked to you?