Covid: Tiers and Christmas - a recipe for disaster?
26/11/2020 | news | health | 911
With lockdown coming to an end, it is all change. But is the government making a mistake?
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jon
26/11/2020 10:35:13 14 7
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Rules for pubs need to be fairer. I see no risk difference in table service for those just drinking compared with those eating a meal. It appears Strictly Come Dancing has a higher risk than covid secure pubs.
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26/11/2020 10:49:42 12 4
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No pub is covid secure. Covid & Secure are mutually exclusive terms.
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26/11/2020 11:32:51 1 1
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Its the effect of the alcohol consumed. The stronger the effect, the less social distance is maintained.
Serving food guarantees eating and that the effects of alcohol will be delayed. They also limit how long you can be in the pub.
People - government, no trust in either direction.
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26/11/2020 10:35:47 16 12
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The government is offering the gift of Covid for Christmas.
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26/11/2020 10:49:40 24 6
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It isn't the government putting people at risk or infecting people. Generally it is stupidity.
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26/11/2020 10:54:14 5 1
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People don't have to 'accept' the offering
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26/11/2020 10:43:06 98 10
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Why do they keep pushing all of this information to the public via the news media instead of just making a decision and going with it. Its like they are tentatively assessing the backlash. As I have said before, this isn't how you govern, its how you run a social media campaign for a business.
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26/11/2020 10:45:45 97 48
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They are incapable of governing
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26/11/2020 11:40:27 7 14
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Actually goes back to Blair (and Clinton in the US previously). Government has very little to do with what's wrong or right anymore, let alone principles, solely about which policy will upset the fewest people. And social media has made it worse because everybody thinks their opinion, however ill-informed, counts. Rashford is a prime example.
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26/11/2020 12:32:51 1 0
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Saw this and had to comment, you hit the nail on head perfectly.
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26/11/2020 12:46:02 2 0
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It was published at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-of-local-restriction-tiers-by-area

But maybe it's not obvious it was there; many people are more likely to tune into news media and receive social media notifications, so it is good communication to publish to the source (gov.uk) then via other media channels. If new media weren't involved, there would be accusations of poor communication.
422
26/11/2020 14:45:40 3 0
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You have to remember that this Government got in because they promised to do what people wanted to hear

A worthy Government would do what is right
599
26/11/2020 17:44:39 0 0
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You mean stick to the decison from Feb of ignoring it until it went away ?
702
26/11/2020 19:57:37 1 0
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Unfortunately, social media runs and ruins lives. Many live by what it says - look at those who propose not taking the vaccine when it available.
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26/11/2020 10:43:18 10 3
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When id the National Lottery being drawn?
The one that decides which arbitrary tier you go into
The tier that then changes a few weeks later as it made no sense and little difference
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26/11/2020 10:43:27 0 15
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Be responsible. Get the app on your phone. No app - no entry. If you don't have a phone, likely you're older and therefore in a category that should be staying away from crowds. No app - no visiting the care home that looks after your parents. Stay distant. Challenge people on the phone in supermarkets that don't have a face mask on - they have the phone, got the app? Hidden disability or.. fool
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26/11/2020 10:48:19 7 2
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Is this the app that is the NHS covid app? The one that is supposed to be world beating but has been proved otherwise (if the reports and figures are accurate). Having the app on your phone does nothing unless you check in a place. It's still voluntary.
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26/11/2020 10:50:56 2 0
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So it appears acceptable to post ageist comments on HYS!
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26/11/2020 10:51:06 1 1
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You mean the World Beating B/S app that doesn't work?
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26/11/2020 10:53:56 1 2
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People have become like sheep.Why are so many people accepting the Gov poking their nose into every aspect of our lives.NHS is overwhelmed ever year through Gov cuts nothing to do with Covid. This is not a Police state last time I looked and people need to be given the right to take their own risks.People are having their lives devastated from lockdowns that dont work.
Removed
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26/11/2020 11:20:23 2 0
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The app that doesn't actually work on a large number of phones including newer ones?
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26/11/2020 10:44:40 9 2
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The only winners are supermarkets. Their profits will rise enormously whilst their competitors will fall by the wayside. Manor from heaven for the likes of M&S, Tescos, and others.
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26/11/2020 22:52:22 0 0
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That is why I have shares in supermarkets.

They are indispensable.
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26/11/2020 10:43:06 98 10
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Why do they keep pushing all of this information to the public via the news media instead of just making a decision and going with it. Its like they are tentatively assessing the backlash. As I have said before, this isn't how you govern, its how you run a social media campaign for a business.
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26/11/2020 10:45:45 97 48
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They are incapable of governing
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26/11/2020 10:50:01 10 2
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It's a shame that it took a pandemic to really highlight this
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26/11/2020 16:30:08 0 0
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Who do you suggest?
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26/11/2020 17:29:11 0 0
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I do so hope that you are not trying to suggest that what we need is a form of Dictatorship where 'Orders' are given & everyone MUST obey because if you are then you are, I trust in a very, very small minority.
590
26/11/2020 17:36:30 0 0
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Its a choice, remove your consent to be governed. At birth if you did not have a birth certificate no statutes or acts apply to you.
607
26/11/2020 17:52:22 0 0
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Absolutely agree , a complete set of no hopers , we can now see what with the failed test and trace and PHE failure of its war game in 2016 that the governance below ministerial level is just as bad . UK administration = third world status
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Moz
26/11/2020 10:46:20 16 5
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Well the Christmasaholics are going to do it their way whatever happens - I'd personally rather stay locked down and keep all the mandatory "joy" elsewhere (as long as the beer aisle is open anyway)
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Stu
26/11/2020 11:26:52 6 0
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I'm currently living in the Nort-West (near the blighted Liverpool) and I had planned to move to Sussex last summer, to be close to where my family live. Obviously moving house would have real problems at that time, so now move mid-2001.

Am I going "home" for Chrismas? No - I have a friend who, like me, lives on her own so we are going to celebrate together together - BBC TV, beer, food. :-)
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26/11/2020 10:47:14 3 1
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Government making a mistake, how could anyone think that is even possible away if they are they will find someone else to blame if they stick to their current modes operandi.
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DG
26/11/2020 10:48:05 3 4
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A pathetic plan by all the Governments. More people will die as a result and it will be the fault of MPs, Ministers.
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26/11/2020 13:02:10 2 0
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No, it'll be the fault of the pathetic portion of the population and the media who don't have the discipline to behave sensibly and wait for a PROPER solution to this pandemic.
Boris and Co. aren't doing much to help though.
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26/11/2020 10:43:27 0 15
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Be responsible. Get the app on your phone. No app - no entry. If you don't have a phone, likely you're older and therefore in a category that should be staying away from crowds. No app - no visiting the care home that looks after your parents. Stay distant. Challenge people on the phone in supermarkets that don't have a face mask on - they have the phone, got the app? Hidden disability or.. fool
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26/11/2020 10:48:19 7 2
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Is this the app that is the NHS covid app? The one that is supposed to be world beating but has been proved otherwise (if the reports and figures are accurate). Having the app on your phone does nothing unless you check in a place. It's still voluntary.
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26/11/2020 10:48:22 14 9
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P.M's way of keeping you safe:

Bring It On, Business As Usual, Send It Packing, Turn The Tide, Shake Hands, Stay Alert, Infect Yourself, Operation Last Gasp, Whack-A-Mole, Waffle, Drivel etc.

Now Chaps, Tally Ho, have a great Christmas infecting your loved ones and friends, the hospitals are already filling up, so don't be as daft as me and keep safe as there aren't going to be enough beds.
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26/11/2020 10:48:33 85 13
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I suspect people will just give up trying to understand the rules and do what they think is correct. They will justify their behaviour based on their own value sets no matter what the facts and evidence are. Small business owners must be tearing their hair out. No point being on furlough if the business goes under anyway. The rules have ludicrous contradictions. Poor advice being taken.
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Pip
26/11/2020 12:14:57 6 22
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Not so sure what you regard as fact and evidencece, support your view either..........?
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27/11/2020 07:13:46 0 0
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A good General or (leader) does not give orders he knows will not be obeyed.

People are people and will do what they want whatever the rules are, the latest lockdown is an example, I have seen people go out everyday shopping, garden centers, lunch etc, etc

way too many flaunting the rules and we wonder why infection rates are high, people are people and will avoid or ignore using any excuse
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26/11/2020 10:48:41 7 3
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But he says there was certainly a danger that people would have "asserted their will", arguing: "People don't like being lectured to."
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Not even when it's for their own benefit apparently. Why not just give in to anarchy?
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26/11/2020 10:35:47 16 12
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The government is offering the gift of Covid for Christmas.
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26/11/2020 10:49:40 24 6
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It isn't the government putting people at risk or infecting people. Generally it is stupidity.
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26/11/2020 10:52:21 6 6
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For "stupidity", read "the government".
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26/11/2020 10:56:32 2 11
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No its people following the media fear campaign.If people want to stay under their beds thats fine.People die every day and life is a risk.Let us get on with it or we may as well be dead anyway.The whole country is being held to ransom by a Gov completely over reacting.God knows what the people of UK would do in a war.Stay under their beds.Wake up.
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jon
26/11/2020 10:35:13 14 7
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Rules for pubs need to be fairer. I see no risk difference in table service for those just drinking compared with those eating a meal. It appears Strictly Come Dancing has a higher risk than covid secure pubs.
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26/11/2020 10:49:42 12 4
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No pub is covid secure. Covid & Secure are mutually exclusive terms.
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26/11/2020 16:03:30 1 0
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So how come the. Wealthy can eat and drink where they like?
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26/11/2020 10:45:45 97 48
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They are incapable of governing
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26/11/2020 10:50:01 10 2
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It's a shame that it took a pandemic to really highlight this
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26/11/2020 10:43:27 0 15
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Be responsible. Get the app on your phone. No app - no entry. If you don't have a phone, likely you're older and therefore in a category that should be staying away from crowds. No app - no visiting the care home that looks after your parents. Stay distant. Challenge people on the phone in supermarkets that don't have a face mask on - they have the phone, got the app? Hidden disability or.. fool
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26/11/2020 10:50:56 2 0
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So it appears acceptable to post ageist comments on HYS!
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26/11/2020 10:43:27 0 15
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Be responsible. Get the app on your phone. No app - no entry. If you don't have a phone, likely you're older and therefore in a category that should be staying away from crowds. No app - no visiting the care home that looks after your parents. Stay distant. Challenge people on the phone in supermarkets that don't have a face mask on - they have the phone, got the app? Hidden disability or.. fool
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26/11/2020 10:51:06 1 1
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You mean the World Beating B/S app that doesn't work?
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26/11/2020 10:52:08 65 10
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Keep us locked down
Lift lockdown
Create 3 tiers
5 tiers

What ever they do, it really is a case of you can only please some of the people some of the time

They'll be those who support, those who oppose

Seems every person & their pet has a different view on how things should be done
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26/11/2020 11:44:55 44 29
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Is that not an indication of how poorly the government has informed the public, we really should all be singing from the same hymn sheet but instead we have confusion and people buying into misinformation.

the whole thing is a complete mess
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26/11/2020 13:41:12 4 0
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I suspect those who lose their jobs, homes or businesses will probably not number in the "support" camp for most of your options.

There are many ways of being "not pleased" and having your basic needs and rights classed as "non-essential" is one of them.
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26/11/2020 14:32:29 0 0
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if this Government are so great, why did all North Asian countries have a plan in place and very low levels of infections. The reason is they were prepared.
Track and Trace/Apps/Mass testing are all political stunts that cost billions and delivered 0. We have apologists blaming the people which is grossly unfair, many of whom will soon have no livelihood or have already lost their jobs.
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26/11/2020 15:36:24 0 0
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Not pleased me one bit
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26/11/2020 17:14:13 0 0
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Sounds like 50 Shades of Brexit!
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26/11/2020 17:39:45 0 0
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Last point correct and it is this, along with various political 'leaders' who should know better, that is going to prolong this pandemic.
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27/11/2020 11:43:06 0 0
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Why don’t we just give up tiers and lockdowns and hope we don’t kill too many before we have a vaccine.
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26/11/2020 10:52:13 63 22
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It doesn't matter which way any government in any country deals with covid they are getting moaned at. Some have let people die and said Covid doesn't exist, some have isolated themselves and encouraged their people to party and now they are running scared because they have caught it. The UK governments may not be all shining and wonderful but at last they are trying.
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26/11/2020 10:55:59 40 44
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Trying? What by having policies like Whack-A-Mole!
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26/11/2020 13:27:53 0 0
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How pointlessly patronising.
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26/11/2020 14:34:23 0 1
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What about Asian countries? Seems this pandemic was a western problem as they weren't prepared at all and have no contingency plans.
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26/11/2020 15:15:28 3 1
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Trying to see just how many job and businesses they can get away with destroying.
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26/11/2020 15:44:10 2 1
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This is not a rehearsal, this is for real .. people are dying way before their time and unpleasantly, jobs are being lost, companies shut down, people isolated, billions siphoned off in untendered PPE and other Covid related contracts, totally unqualified people given top jobs running key organisations vital to the wellbeing of the country .. trying … what utter tosh.
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26/11/2020 10:49:40 24 6
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It isn't the government putting people at risk or infecting people. Generally it is stupidity.
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26/11/2020 10:52:21 6 6
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For "stupidity", read "the government".
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26/11/2020 10:53:51 12 8
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An actual genuine lockdown (IE no work other than genuinely essential life-supporting services, everything else shut) for 2 weeks over Christmas and New Year would have been very helpful in stopping the spread of the virus in its tracks.
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26/11/2020 10:59:03 10 4
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Have you any idea of the number of essential services, the number of people working in them and the services they need in order to work. It'a a huge number of people, not just hospitals, which is what I suspect you mean by life-supporting. All working so you can have your little cosy bubble of cotton wool.
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26/11/2020 10:43:27 0 15
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Be responsible. Get the app on your phone. No app - no entry. If you don't have a phone, likely you're older and therefore in a category that should be staying away from crowds. No app - no visiting the care home that looks after your parents. Stay distant. Challenge people on the phone in supermarkets that don't have a face mask on - they have the phone, got the app? Hidden disability or.. fool
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26/11/2020 10:53:56 1 2
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People have become like sheep.Why are so many people accepting the Gov poking their nose into every aspect of our lives.NHS is overwhelmed ever year through Gov cuts nothing to do with Covid. This is not a Police state last time I looked and people need to be given the right to take their own risks.People are having their lives devastated from lockdowns that dont work.
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26/11/2020 11:41:10 0 0
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Their own risks yes. But not the right to pass that risk on to everyone else.
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26/11/2020 10:54:03 9 2
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With Boris saying to expect the Vaccine Cavalry soon, it does seem pretty dumb to open the gates to the enemy before their arrival. But Nick, as ever, provides a balanced view with a worthy counter argument.

Roll on Easter........
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26/11/2020 10:35:47 16 12
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The government is offering the gift of Covid for Christmas.
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26/11/2020 10:54:14 5 1
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People don't have to 'accept' the offering
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26/11/2020 10:37:33 44 7
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If you really care about someone, you wouldn't put their life at risk. All I'm saying...
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37p
26/11/2020 13:20:39 4 17
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Well then leave it at that if that's all you're saying.
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26/11/2020 18:56:07 0 2
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So don't lockdown - there's no evidence that it saves any lives.
880
27/11/2020 18:12:42 0 0
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My Wife and I have told our family to stay away no presents house call or hugs phone if you want but DON'T COME NEAR US we well see you next year (hopefully)
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26/11/2020 10:39:48 12 7
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Johnson make a mistake ?

Surely not.

(irony)
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26/11/2020 10:52:13 63 22
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It doesn't matter which way any government in any country deals with covid they are getting moaned at. Some have let people die and said Covid doesn't exist, some have isolated themselves and encouraged their people to party and now they are running scared because they have caught it. The UK governments may not be all shining and wonderful but at last they are trying.
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26/11/2020 10:55:59 40 44
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Trying? What by having policies like Whack-A-Mole!
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26/11/2020 13:56:53 3 0
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Whack-a-Mole is about the most accurate way I've read of describing the knee jerk decisions from ALL leaders.
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26/11/2020 10:49:40 24 6
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It isn't the government putting people at risk or infecting people. Generally it is stupidity.
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26/11/2020 10:56:32 2 11
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No its people following the media fear campaign.If people want to stay under their beds thats fine.People die every day and life is a risk.Let us get on with it or we may as well be dead anyway.The whole country is being held to ransom by a Gov completely over reacting.God knows what the people of UK would do in a war.Stay under their beds.Wake up.
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26/11/2020 11:57:21 3 0
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I ‘stay under my bed’ as you put it is because I am likely to die if I catch covid. The thing is I don’t want to so in my book it’s an unnecessary risk
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26/11/2020 10:57:37 225 55
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Why for once can we no put aside our sense of self entitlement and wetness?We are so close to a mass vaccination programme, so why risk a third wave for the sake of Christmas. I love Christmas but it will come around soon enough next year. I for one don’t want to spend another 25 days or more locked down, or worse, in inJanuary all for the sake of a Christmas jolly. Utterly bonkers policy.
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26/11/2020 11:51:43 75 16
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I strongly agree with old dog
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26/11/2020 12:19:17 11 11
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Agree wholeheartedly. The NHS will be overwhelmed. I feel for the medical profession...
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26/11/2020 12:46:12 28 8
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I'm a postman that hasn't had a day off and haven't seen my parents. My dad will not see another Christmas and I think I've earned the right to spend a little time with my dad this year. Nobody is going to tell me that's not right end of
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26/11/2020 12:47:39 11 9
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Disagree - People will do what they wish to do - The issue is down to each one of us - You as person need to take control and stop blaming everyone else
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26/11/2020 13:12:20 14 3
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I'm now informed I'm in Tier 3. So coming out of lockdown, only to have to live as good as under another lockdown. Ok to go to work but nothing else allowed.
I've obeyed the rules, but now we're lumped with this again. Lockdown, lockdown, lockdown, fed up with this! I've seen my mother once since March (she's in a home) doesn't understand what is going on. May as well be in a comfortable prison.
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26/11/2020 13:12:45 8 2
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Agree, I have let my family know that xmas might not be clelbrated until we have all had the vaccine, we have major birthdays to celebrate as well, if we can put everything off until we can feel safe in eachothers company it is no hardship to "DO" xmas in the new year, stay safe everyone.
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26/11/2020 14:05:27 6 1
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Absolutely agree. Unless you are a devout Christian it's just another day and the Bible says nothing about parties with lots of people eating and drinking to excess. Maybe we should just call it mas now. I don't see or hear much about Christ.
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26/11/2020 14:18:21 0 7
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You sound like a sage old dog.
So many people can see the lack of common sense.
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26/11/2020 15:10:54 3 2
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If we put aside the wetness then we would realise that this virus really isn't that bad: and we would then put away all these insane restrictions, and just get on with life.
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26/11/2020 15:29:14 4 2
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Like many on here replying to the Aged Canine I am in total agreement. Although in my 70s and on the Government's Vulnerable List I and my wife are very fortunate that we both feel fit and healthy, if somewhat weary of all the restrictions. I believe that as a nation we need to show more discipline and resolve and to think more of "WE" and less of "ME". Stick with it people, we'll get through!
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26/11/2020 16:00:46 3 2
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I wish we would put aside our self entitled wetness and stop demanding that everyone make virus avoidance their top priority no matter how much harm that causes. We shouldn't have more lockdowns no matter what, they are unnecessary. If you want to avoid meeting others at Christmas, knock yourself out, but no need to be calling for the government to be in everyone else's face about it.
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26/11/2020 16:02:28 5 1
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January is a nothing month anyway. Cold and wet, nobody wants to go out or do anything, so we may as well enjoy Christmas then stay at home for a month afterwards.
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26/11/2020 16:12:08 0 1
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We have had lockdown since March. Currently living is a council area with a lower case per 100000 than Liverpool but am it a higher tier, lockdown hasn't ended. We obeyed the rules and get no reward for it, what's the point. Won't have happen in London!! The Covid areas need to be map on a smaller scale. Area we people could travel into are next to one another in different tiers
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26/11/2020 16:16:08 2 2
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It is only the old who are at high risk - see the graph above which shows for people over 75 they have a 12% chance of catching Coronavirus. They should take care and make their judgement about how they want to spend Christmas and let the rest of us live our lives.
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26/11/2020 16:19:59 1 1
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Ah yes bah humbug to Xmas this year but for many who have NOT seen their families all year it is a lifeline. If a family member gets covid they will still have to self isolate, even over xmas. The unseen damage of lockdown will come out over time and will be worse than covid.
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26/11/2020 16:34:56 1 1
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I agree wholeheartedly. It's utter madness. My suggestion is for all the partying and bunting and frolics to be moved to early next year, say nearer Easter. After all, that all has little if anything these days to do with the birth of Christ and much, much more to do with parting people from their money.
If you want to lock yourself down permanently until the majority is vaccinated, you feel free. I am going to visit my father who is in my social bubble, which will help mine and his mental health. Anyone who tells me I can't can go and f**k themselves, for me the risk is practically zero. Removed
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26/11/2020 17:47:13 1 1
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Anyone can be 100% safe meeting up with anyone else living anywhere else, if they wanted to.
Just do 8 days quarantine first, and no symptoms = no CV.

Battling the mayhem in the supermarkets 3 days before a big meetup is less than 100% safe, but not by much.
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26/11/2020 18:08:44 1 0
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Imposing restrictions on everybody is crippling the economy. If you're under 50 this virus presents a very low risk to you. You should be free to live your life, socialise freely and enjoy Christmas. Those of us over 50 need to hunker down and protect ourselves. It's the elderly who need to take the hit on this. We should not expect young people to carry the can.
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26/11/2020 19:55:55 0 0
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I was not aware that the second wave had ended. Only the other day the BBC were posting a report that stated the lockdown was not having any effect.
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26/11/2020 20:49:35 0 0
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A third wave? I'm, and everyone else, is waiting for the second.
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26/11/2020 22:09:12 0 0
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Yes it is a bonkers policy .. locking down that is ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3vDsKEOIQI
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27/11/2020 13:21:46 0 0
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Utterly bonkers is the protracted lockdown of the tiers. Governments love power and are always reluctant to relinquish it. They are operating a rule-by-fear gambit. Sadly, their crude scare tactics seem to be working on the gullible and uncritical.
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27/11/2020 15:06:18 0 0
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What evidence do you have that the cure is not a far worse outcome. Multiple lockdowns that had little to no effect when over leading to (in the Chancellor's words) the worst economic decline in 300 years. Do you really believe that a successful vaccine is around the corner? If not then a couple more lockdowns will be saddling my great, great, great, great grandchildren with debt.
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26/11/2020 10:53:51 12 8
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An actual genuine lockdown (IE no work other than genuinely essential life-supporting services, everything else shut) for 2 weeks over Christmas and New Year would have been very helpful in stopping the spread of the virus in its tracks.
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26/11/2020 10:59:03 10 4
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Have you any idea of the number of essential services, the number of people working in them and the services they need in order to work. It'a a huge number of people, not just hospitals, which is what I suspect you mean by life-supporting. All working so you can have your little cosy bubble of cotton wool.
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26/11/2020 11:08:38 3 2
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Of course I didn't mean "just hospitals". I meant all offices, factories and non food retail shops closed, shut it all down - like we should have done for 3 weeks in March.
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26/11/2020 10:59:08 110 14
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To all my friends and family - enjoy your Christmas. I will not be joining you but hope you all keep safe whatever you decide to do.
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26/11/2020 11:00:12 52 8
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Whole family on HYS? Blimey!
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26/11/2020 12:56:34 0 2
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Clearly you won't be joining all of them, unless they all fit in your bubble of two other households.
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26/11/2020 10:43:27 0 15
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Be responsible. Get the app on your phone. No app - no entry. If you don't have a phone, likely you're older and therefore in a category that should be staying away from crowds. No app - no visiting the care home that looks after your parents. Stay distant. Challenge people on the phone in supermarkets that don't have a face mask on - they have the phone, got the app? Hidden disability or.. fool
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26/11/2020 10:59:08 110 14
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To all my friends and family - enjoy your Christmas. I will not be joining you but hope you all keep safe whatever you decide to do.
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26/11/2020 11:00:12 52 8
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Whole family on HYS? Blimey!
595
26/11/2020 17:40:55 3 0
bbc
Cheaper than sending Christmas cards...
36
26/11/2020 11:00:18 16 10
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Looks like Covid is going to be the number one best selling gift for Christmas. Chaos looms large as the reckless will break the rules.
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jbr
26/11/2020 12:34:08 1 0
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Covid is free
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JPS
26/11/2020 11:00:51 42 7
bbc
Whatever the rules or the tiers, some people will always think they know better.
408
26/11/2020 14:37:07 21 4
bbc
Maybe they actually do know their personal circumsatnces better?
450
26/11/2020 15:17:46 6 0
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Most people probably do know better!
652
26/11/2020 18:55:15 0 0
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Maybe they do ?
741
26/11/2020 22:25:19 0 0
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Some people do know better ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3vDsKEOIQI

But when you & your friends are making a lot of money behind the scenes ... it is better to make sure those views are not heard.. or at least ridiculed.
829
27/11/2020 11:46:37 0 0
bbc
We have 60 million people that know better than the government and scientists.
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26/11/2020 11:00:54 32 3
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It's a pity that some people are going to be infected over Christmas. If only track and trace was working well. It's up to you what you do it always has been and that has caused spikes in infection. I think I'll save the celebrations for when we get thru this. I don't know if I have covid and neither does anyone else I know so we will err on the side of caution as it's all we have as a defence.
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26/11/2020 13:18:12 20 5
bbc
Agreed, would it really harm people if we postponed Christmas until the majority have been vaccinated. That WOULD be something to celebrate. Let's have a public holiday in, say, March. We are so near to seeing a probable end to this epidemic that it would be a crime to allow a further spike in infection and death unnecessarily.
476
26/11/2020 15:41:24 0 0
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Track and trace not working. 9 month lockdown in Leicester not working. In fact most people are not working.
659
26/11/2020 18:59:41 0 1
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A disease so deadly you don't even know you've got it. Do you realise how preposterous this situation has become?
830
27/11/2020 11:48:37 1 0
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Track and trace is working well, it’s just that people are not bothering to give their details when they have symptoms. System is only a good as the information provided.
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26/11/2020 11:01:13 19 10
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And where is the evidence base for the statement that people are just not going to follow the rules? Most people I know disagree that easing restrictions on infectious disease control for a big meal and a p*ss up follows public health science. If I was working on the front line of the NHS, I would be beyond anger.
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26/11/2020 13:10:42 4 0
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The evidence is mostly the way people have behaved over the summer. Government mixed messages didn't help, but it was mostly people trying to interpret any restrictions in a way which would let them do what they wanted to do anyway (isn't that right, Dom?).
And then, having pushed the boundaries as far as they can go, they ignored them.
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26/11/2020 13:11:37 2 1
bbc
"Most people" ay there's the rub. It only takes a minority of selfish fools to undo most of the good work done by the rest of us. You know, the ones who've "got a right" or "are entitled" or "won't give up their freedom" or are just bl@@dy minded and uncaring who they harm just so long as they can enjoy themselves.
459
26/11/2020 15:25:44 0 0
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I went to a local garden centre yesterday to get some bird food and some plants and you would not have known we were still in lock down so people are not following the rules now, let alone under the tier system.
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26/11/2020 11:01:24 4 6
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englands going to be in lockdown anyway come xmas day,imagine letting spectators come in and then go home to infect their friends and families and thats just the south of england,all health workers will then be working all through the holidays because of reckless politicians in westminster,tiies begin next week and that better not turn to real tears because of useless governance,world beating not/
Unreadable joined up nonsense, try using commas. Removed
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26/11/2020 11:05:42 3 3
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So what should they do ??? Easy to criticise !!! Cant win...
If they put a lockdown in place people moan if they lift it people moan ?? Should they be like China and if you don't comply beat or jail you ???
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26/11/2020 11:11:41 2 0
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Unreadable, try using spaces after commas.
Hey BBC - you seem to have missed an important political story from last night - that of Carole Cadwalladr admitting that she made up the whole Banks/Russia funding story. You know the one you were perfectly happy to report on despite the fact it was all lies. Removed
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26/11/2020 11:03:37 6 10
bbc
Never forget those of you who voted for the discredited minor member of the royal family(Johnson)that while you will not see your family he and his kakisocratic government will do exactly as They please which includes Bozo spending time with his family at Balmoral
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JPS
26/11/2020 11:10:04 3 2
bbc
HYS is like a drug for some people - they need the relief of airing their intolerant bile - but then it becomes addictive
40
26/11/2020 11:01:24 4 6
bbc
englands going to be in lockdown anyway come xmas day,imagine letting spectators come in and then go home to infect their friends and families and thats just the south of england,all health workers will then be working all through the holidays because of reckless politicians in westminster,tiies begin next week and that better not turn to real tears because of useless governance,world beating not/
Unreadable joined up nonsense, try using commas. Removed
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26/11/2020 11:01:24 4 6
bbc
englands going to be in lockdown anyway come xmas day,imagine letting spectators come in and then go home to infect their friends and families and thats just the south of england,all health workers will then be working all through the holidays because of reckless politicians in westminster,tiies begin next week and that better not turn to real tears because of useless governance,world beating not/
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26/11/2020 11:05:42 3 3
bbc
So what should they do ??? Easy to criticise !!! Cant win...
If they put a lockdown in place people moan if they lift it people moan ?? Should they be like China and if you don't comply beat or jail you ???
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26/11/2020 11:11:01 2 2
bbc
Exactly what should happen to the covidiots, then national service for about ten years.
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26/11/2020 11:07:28 281 73
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It's all very easy to blame a government for everything we see as wrong with the world but unless I'm mistaken it's the people of this country who, even with all we know about the pandemic, are still infecting each other left right and centre. Even today we see no masks, no distancing and people who think that the rules don't apply to them. Unfortunately it's never those people who pay the price!
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26/11/2020 11:17:01 105 46
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I agree with your sentiment but these people do not control our borders neither do they have a say in when restrictions are being imposed. Yes it is the stupid and selfish who aren't helping but they have had as much say in how this should be handled as you or I do. So who does have the power to shut the border, issue lockdowns and why didn't they when those were needed most as this started?
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26/11/2020 11:15:44 22 6
bbc
My sentiments exactly - I have seen enough evidence to confirm this and agree entirely. Sparky24 is right - these people never pay the price.
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ps4
26/11/2020 11:27:08 16 3
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Well said , and the reason they are relaxing the rules is that at least it's some guidance some will follow. If they kept a national lockdown over christmas there would be many who'd flout it anyway by even more mixing .
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26/11/2020 12:00:29 19 27
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Think you need to look into the dodgy testing system rather than blaming people.
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Ian
26/11/2020 12:36:24 34 3
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I saw clear evidence of the ignorance/stupidity of people yesterday that confirmed your views.
In a shop yesterday (Boots) two women walking around the shop with masks. Unlike every other shopper they decided to wear masks incorrectly. 1 had mask over chin and part of mouth, the other had it round her neck. No challenge from staff.
Wear properly or leave would be acceptable approach.
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nax
26/11/2020 12:38:19 32 1
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I agree, try working in a supermarket with a clinically extremely vulnerable husband at home. With many flouting the rules, work has become like playing Russian roulette, stressful as I am the bread winner
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26/11/2020 12:49:51 13 6
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That's because the Govt intentionally followed a strategy of mixed messaging throughout. PM shaking hands with Covid sufferers whilst telling people to stay at home and protect the NHS is not conducive to driving home a code of conduct that everyone will follow. But Johnson did not want people to toe the line - bad for the economy.
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26/11/2020 12:55:48 4 2
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Well said and could not of put it better myself.
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26/11/2020 13:08:51 7 4
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Oh well said, it is the minority who is putting the majority in danger of catching and in a lot of instances dying as well, I'm in cornwall and just heard of being in tier 1, like after the first lock down people will be coming in their droves to visit, and like after the 1st lockdown spread it all around, our number went up and they will again if people are advised to not visit, common sense.
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37p
26/11/2020 13:09:01 1 3
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Why blame anyone? We're in a situation that exists now. I think most people would rather not be in this situation and would like these restrictions to end.

To get out of this we're better not fighting each other and setting blame but working to end things.

Constant moaning about everything doesn't work and simply divides the countries.
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26/11/2020 13:16:52 2 4
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But we don't though. People see the odd individual example and wrongly extrapolate out that "everyone must be doing it" its classic logic failure.

"All students are People therefore all people are students"...
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26/11/2020 13:36:27 2 1
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But its the government that have kept schools, workplaces etc open to spread the virus. Enforced restrictions?, dont make me laugh.
So yes Sparky, on this occasion it is very easy to blame the government.
They want you to believe its the public, when the vast majority have been following the government.
Some sectors are NOT following rules, but we cant mention that.
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26/11/2020 13:54:00 3 1
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It’s easy to blame the government because their mistakes are very obvious. The reason there is any lockdown is because lots of people are not sensible so removing restrictions on the assumption everybody will be sensible for a few days is idiotic.
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26/11/2020 13:55:26 2 2
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Agree, its like the idiots on the motorways driving like loons, not them who get hurt, but the people who have to try to avoid them..
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26/11/2020 14:20:42 3 2
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Yes it is very easy to blame the government for the simple reason they have acted so poorly and so late most of the time.

But no they are not totally to blame, we have a problem with Covidiots and Truth Decay the same as the US does. Packed beaches as soon as the sun shines, packed pubs as soon as they opened. Mass Demonstrations, Illegal Raves.

But look at the leadership we have had.
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26/11/2020 14:28:32 4 1
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Utter tosh. The Government did not have any policies in place, no contingency, no PPE. All their policies they have put in place have failed which have cost billions. And whilst you complain about others following the rules, a huge majority have done so way beyond what could be expected. I absolutely blame the government and not the people of this country!
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26/11/2020 15:09:14 2 3
bbc
Most sensible people now realise that this virus is nowhere near as bad as the government and (not so) SAGE drama queens would have us believe. So of course they are not following rules that are completely unnecessary, and just cause pain and misery.
490
26/11/2020 15:53:14 2 1
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It started at the top of Government, remember? Even boris’ dad feels he is immune. Put the blame where it lies.
510
26/11/2020 16:07:59 0 1
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44 of those clowns have given your post a thumbs down - its that minority who always spoil it for everyone else.
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26/11/2020 16:15:26 0 0
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The government has made lots of mistakes. Not enough people have taken controlling spread seriously though many many people have. Infections can only be slowed not stopped except through track and trace, which we haven't got, or vaccines, which are coming. Also too many people are overweight and unhealthy - covid is a wake up call. The NHS has succeeded and failed simultaneously.
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26/11/2020 17:33:21 1 0
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Would be better if the leader didnt resemble a clown and the rules were simple and enforced initially. Why people are so blazen, soo boring and too complicated rules people just switch off. Bit like Brexit negotiations no body gives too hoots now. Be Sensible and Resist Orwellian control look at what we lost after 911.
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26/11/2020 17:36:24 0 2
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Excellent & sensible comment, one of very few that I've seen in recent days where the majority seem to imagine that it's 'The Government's responsibility to make every decision.

It's not & never has been it's about every individual being intelligent enough to see how dangerous this virus is & act accordingly.

Those ignorant or stupid enough to go to to a 'rave' etc are welcome to the bug
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26/11/2020 17:42:12 1 0
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Unfortunately the Government has led by example - Mat Hancock not wearing a mask, Boris not maintaining distances, Dominic Cummings travelling at will- its one rule for them & one for the rest of us.
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26/11/2020 18:51:50 0 0
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The only "wetness" is the people willingly complying with this nonsense. Deaths this year are within the normal variation since 2000 but we've decided to decimate the economy and way of life for what? Its scary to see how weak we've all become. I dread to think what would happen if we had a real crisis.
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26/11/2020 20:02:29 0 0
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In Kent, we know the areas the trouble makers tend to be in and guess what those are the areas that have put the whole county into tier 3. North Kent coastal area..... typical of the country's worst, and so the other three- quarters have to go into tier 3 as well despite figures reducing. Ho bally Ho!
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26/11/2020 22:08:05 0 0
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"Even today we see no masks, no distancing and people who think that the rules don't apply to them."

The masks make no difference. You have been conned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3vDsKEOIQI
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27/11/2020 09:55:43 0 0
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We should never had had a lockdown. We are now tier 2 yet in my area, which was Tier 1, I don't know anyone who has had or has the virus. In the interests in the vast majority's future, health, jobs, homes etc.. we should have followed Darwin's theory "survival of the fittest". This would have resulted in lower long term costs for the NHS and a country that has a future for the young.
824
27/11/2020 11:40:17 0 0
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Totally agree. Government can’t wet nurse everybody, its up to us to be responsible.
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27/11/2020 13:19:33 0 0
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Yes we do. Right, left & centre virtually everybody is wearing masks; RL&C we're taking wide detours of each other, RL&C these meaningless rules are being adhered to, despite their obvious futility. Pay attention to what around you, not the self-righteous twaddle.
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27/11/2020 14:23:50 0 0
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The Govt is attempting the fight unprecendented Covid but hampered by ever present human nature
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27/11/2020 20:55:22 0 0
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You are correct that people are the source of infection. Unfortunately many switched off - Job done, in August then went of abroad and did it all over again.

People failed.

Every doctor in UL understands that contagion is isolated. Every one of them.

Failing to halt all travel in January is purely the stick which must beat those in charge and taking decisions.
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26/11/2020 10:59:03 10 4
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Have you any idea of the number of essential services, the number of people working in them and the services they need in order to work. It'a a huge number of people, not just hospitals, which is what I suspect you mean by life-supporting. All working so you can have your little cosy bubble of cotton wool.
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26/11/2020 11:08:38 3 2
bbc
Of course I didn't mean "just hospitals". I meant all offices, factories and non food retail shops closed, shut it all down - like we should have done for 3 weeks in March.
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26/11/2020 11:21:57 2 0
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I know, but you can't really have a lockdown in the true sense. As well as the hopsitals we have police service, fire service, electricity, fuel stations, refineries, millitary and defence and you would want your rubbish collected too. All of these things have to keep running, and all of the people running them need to be out and about - It's a lot of people.
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26/11/2020 11:03:37 6 10
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Never forget those of you who voted for the discredited minor member of the royal family(Johnson)that while you will not see your family he and his kakisocratic government will do exactly as They please which includes Bozo spending time with his family at Balmoral
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JPS
26/11/2020 11:10:04 3 2
bbc
HYS is like a drug for some people - they need the relief of airing their intolerant bile - but then it becomes addictive
45
26/11/2020 11:05:42 3 3
bbc
So what should they do ??? Easy to criticise !!! Cant win...
If they put a lockdown in place people moan if they lift it people moan ?? Should they be like China and if you don't comply beat or jail you ???
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26/11/2020 11:11:01 2 2
bbc
Exactly what should happen to the covidiots, then national service for about ten years.
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26/11/2020 11:11:34 2 3
bbc
Yeah okay, rules more rules and tiers. But no mention of rules for Carole singers! Come on Boris clear up the confusion. Give Carole singers a fair deal for once.
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26/11/2020 11:01:24 4 6
bbc
englands going to be in lockdown anyway come xmas day,imagine letting spectators come in and then go home to infect their friends and families and thats just the south of england,all health workers will then be working all through the holidays because of reckless politicians in westminster,tiies begin next week and that better not turn to real tears because of useless governance,world beating not/
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26/11/2020 11:11:41 2 0
bbc
Unreadable, try using spaces after commas.
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26/11/2020 11:12:30 1 0
bbc
Instead of asking questions try providing solutions since the rest of us are not experts.
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26/11/2020 11:12:30 5 9
bbc
Yes the Govt are making a big mistake .. as treating the People of this country with utter contempt and foisting what is tant amount to a crime against humanity will come back with Karma big time, when all those perpetrating this catastrophe on the people end up in the dock facing long sentences
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26/11/2020 11:22:13 4 0
bbc
What on earth have you been smoking?
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26/11/2020 11:13:45 64 26
bbc
A few thousand more unnecessary deaths is a small price to pay to allow people to celebrate the birth of the son of a deity they don't believe in.
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JPS
26/11/2020 11:17:53 25 6
bbc
Nice one :)
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26/11/2020 11:28:10 6 1
bbc
I suspect it's more about encouraging the shopping rush to boost high street shops profitability (or reduce their losses). If you weren't visiting, you'd spend less, probably.
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26/11/2020 11:34:48 13 2
bbc
Oh dear still not understanding that xmas is not just about religion for millions - think saturnalua, yuletide, midwinter and other pagan festivals long before the religious fairy tales existed

Then there are those who see it as a break and to spend time with families
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26/11/2020 11:51:16 6 1
bbc
Almost no one celebrates anything to do with the tacked on Christian fairy story. We continue the northern latitudes, pagan origin, mid winter feasting, days lengthening to a new spring.
187
26/11/2020 12:33:32 0 0
bbc
You mean Father Christmas?
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37p
26/11/2020 13:18:31 1 2
bbc
Getting bored with the same post appearing in so many HYS's!
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26/11/2020 13:24:33 4 8
bbc
500,000 people die in the UK every SINGLE year. Covid is not the only contributing factor when it comes to dying. Why don't we ban smoking, drinking, driving, flying, sports event etc etc which can all cause death? The death rate from Covid is less than 1% worldwide and for this we close down the world's economies and put millions of jobs at risk as well as their mental health absolute madness!
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26/11/2020 22:24:02 0 0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3vDsKEOIQI

There is little evidence that the government can do anything to prevent these "unnecessary deaths" .. as the death rate is not particularly high ... given that there is a new flu out there.
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26/11/2020 11:15:30 58 6
bbc
Why does Government seek advice from Scientists/Medics, l
SAGE, UCH, Public Health Authorities and then go against their advice particularly over Christmas. From experience we all know when large groups get together particularly at Christmas we are all
happy celebrating, but the fact is that little Covid fella is going to be in its element.
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ps4
26/11/2020 11:30:14 35 5
bbc
Because Anne i think they have to , they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't offer some guidance on relaxed rules in my opinion the idiots who flout the rules would do it even more in a lockdown period because some have no sense...... they would mix even more imo
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Alf
26/11/2020 12:14:54 5 1
bbc
There are more than just the medical effects to consider.
Christmas is a huge part of our lives, and our economy. Politics is about balancing the needs of different sectors.
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26/11/2020 14:36:03 4 0
bbc
Sorry what do the Scientists/Medics suggest? The ONLY policy they have is total lock down. For all the years of research they have no answers. I say where were the economists?
449
26/11/2020 15:17:06 2 0
bbc
Yes, all of SAGE should be sacked, and replaced by proper scientists, rather than drama queens.
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26/11/2020 16:24:10 0 0
bbc
Only if your family are irresponsible. Any signs of symptoms don't meet up. Difficult if you are asymptomatic and don't know you have got it of course. We don't know how many people have had it and recovered, could do with knowing that too.
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27/11/2020 11:43:45 0 0
bbc
Did they go against advice???
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26/11/2020 11:07:28 281 73
bbc
It's all very easy to blame a government for everything we see as wrong with the world but unless I'm mistaken it's the people of this country who, even with all we know about the pandemic, are still infecting each other left right and centre. Even today we see no masks, no distancing and people who think that the rules don't apply to them. Unfortunately it's never those people who pay the price!
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26/11/2020 11:17:01 105 46
bbc
I agree with your sentiment but these people do not control our borders neither do they have a say in when restrictions are being imposed. Yes it is the stupid and selfish who aren't helping but they have had as much say in how this should be handled as you or I do. So who does have the power to shut the border, issue lockdowns and why didn't they when those were needed most as this started?
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26/11/2020 11:43:38 29 7
bbc
I don't know why you are being downvoted as you are correct, its a mix of the people ignoring the rules and the government making stupid decisions... its hardly up to the public about testing at airports or how we develop track and trace, to place the blame solely on the public is disingenuous
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26/11/2020 12:46:17 11 12
bbc
Did 4000 Miles April and averages 2800 a mth this year - So have all my staff - Construction building all the centres/ Halls / hospitals etc - Locksdowns waste of time
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26/11/2020 14:43:27 3 1
bbc
Absolutely spot on

I flew back from Thailand on the first day of lockdown
I was appalled that we were not temperature screened, not given any leaflet and not told to self isolate

The Government control the borders and the Government could have acted swiftly and effectively but they didn't

The Government are entirely to blame for the rate at which Covid got established
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26/11/2020 17:54:52 0 0
bbc
Because the establishment is incompetent .
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26/11/2020 19:54:20 0 0
bbc
Your proposed solutions reduce the incidence of infection and cases but how do they help the economy and the "soft" problems like loneliness and domestic abuse that are not so easy to see?
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27/11/2020 13:31:53 0 0
bbc
Once it's in the country shutting the borders is to late. Spreading is due to close contact and a significant number do not socially distance, if they did it wouldn't spread so fast.
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26/11/2020 11:13:45 64 26
bbc
A few thousand more unnecessary deaths is a small price to pay to allow people to celebrate the birth of the son of a deity they don't believe in.
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JPS
26/11/2020 11:17:53 25 6
bbc
Nice one :)
827
27/11/2020 11:45:36 0 0
bbc
Why not postpone Christmas till Easter.
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26/11/2020 11:17:55 29 6
bbc
Trust in the government has halved.

Anything to do with a relentless barrage of headlines like 'Recipe for Disaster'?
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26/11/2020 11:34:26 49 26
bbc
More to do with Dominic Cummings proving its one rule for the Government and cronies and one for the plebs. They lost their credibility then.
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26/11/2020 11:43:29 6 5
bbc
more to do with scummings, and clown getting it twice
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26/11/2020 11:44:44 7 14
bbc
The BBC loves to spread doom and gloom especially when it can bash the Tories. Everyone would be a lot happier without it.
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26/11/2020 13:31:19 2 0
bbc
No
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26/11/2020 15:27:52 0 2
bbc
So half the population still haven't come to their senses?
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26/11/2020 11:20:19 5 6
bbc
another bad decision relaxing the rules for xmas. Those who still don,t care will continue will keep on spreading infection come what may, those who are currently undecided will probably take the risk socialising based on the latest rules and we all know that will cause a huge spike in Covid infection in the new year - carry on like this and Covid will be with us for a long long time.
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26/11/2020 11:32:18 6 0
bbc
And people like you will keep spreading mental health illness and suicides by not understanding that for some people loneliness and/or separation from loved ones is a far bigger threat than COVID. COVID wont be here forever as a threat by the looks of it but mental health issues resulting from it will be much worse.
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26/11/2020 10:43:27 0 15
bbc
Be responsible. Get the app on your phone. No app - no entry. If you don't have a phone, likely you're older and therefore in a category that should be staying away from crowds. No app - no visiting the care home that looks after your parents. Stay distant. Challenge people on the phone in supermarkets that don't have a face mask on - they have the phone, got the app? Hidden disability or.. fool
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26/11/2020 11:20:23 2 0
bbc
The app that doesn't actually work on a large number of phones including newer ones?
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26/11/2020 11:21:34 8 0
bbc
Don't know why the government doesn't just recommend that everybody has a nice cup tea. It usually sorts everything...
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26/11/2020 11:51:25 15 0
bbc
NO this is serious. Needs a biscuit as well
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26/11/2020 11:08:38 3 2
bbc
Of course I didn't mean "just hospitals". I meant all offices, factories and non food retail shops closed, shut it all down - like we should have done for 3 weeks in March.
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26/11/2020 11:21:57 2 0
bbc
I know, but you can't really have a lockdown in the true sense. As well as the hopsitals we have police service, fire service, electricity, fuel stations, refineries, millitary and defence and you would want your rubbish collected too. All of these things have to keep running, and all of the people running them need to be out and about - It's a lot of people.
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26/11/2020 11:22:11 1 1
bbc
As I’ve said before three households no guidance on numbers. Example of not thinking it through properly is if I spend Christmas with my Dad & Wife, Sister, Niece & brother in law that would be 6 people from three households but then leaves my Grandad on his own unable to join as that’s 4 households. As I’m the one to have to travel furthest I will spend Christmas on my own so others don’t have to
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26/11/2020 11:12:30 5 9
bbc
Yes the Govt are making a big mistake .. as treating the People of this country with utter contempt and foisting what is tant amount to a crime against humanity will come back with Karma big time, when all those perpetrating this catastrophe on the people end up in the dock facing long sentences
64
26/11/2020 11:22:13 4 0
bbc
What on earth have you been smoking?
65
26/11/2020 11:23:37 7 0
bbc
Prof Reicher " Government could provide Covid Fuel Allowance to enable people to open their windows" Is he serious ?
78
26/11/2020 11:33:28 0 0
bbc
??
288
26/11/2020 13:00:45 0 0
bbc
No - we can all meet outside - in December ?FFS
556
26/11/2020 16:48:26 0 0
bbc
The B%ggers still need to pay the Pensioner fuel allowances first which appear to be on hold this year!
66
26/11/2020 11:23:58 3 7
bbc
Covid: Tiers and Christmas - a recipe for disaster?

The biggest recipe for disaster is the clown pm, having to isolate, not once, but twice. Or probably just loafing about as usual.
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Moz
26/11/2020 10:46:20 16 5
bbc
Well the Christmasaholics are going to do it their way whatever happens - I'd personally rather stay locked down and keep all the mandatory "joy" elsewhere (as long as the beer aisle is open anyway)
67
Stu
26/11/2020 11:26:52 6 0
bbc
I'm currently living in the Nort-West (near the blighted Liverpool) and I had planned to move to Sussex last summer, to be close to where my family live. Obviously moving house would have real problems at that time, so now move mid-2001.

Am I going "home" for Chrismas? No - I have a friend who, like me, lives on her own so we are going to celebrate together together - BBC TV, beer, food. :-)
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26/11/2020 12:53:14 2 0
bbc
Good for you, some common sense and consideration for others. We can only do our best. Have a lovely Christmas and a happy New Year.
749
26/11/2020 22:40:10 0 0
bbc
BBC TV ?

Or was that a joke ?
54
26/11/2020 11:13:45 64 26
bbc
A few thousand more unnecessary deaths is a small price to pay to allow people to celebrate the birth of the son of a deity they don't believe in.
68
26/11/2020 11:28:10 6 1
bbc
I suspect it's more about encouraging the shopping rush to boost high street shops profitability (or reduce their losses). If you weren't visiting, you'd spend less, probably.
90
26/11/2020 11:37:34 3 0
bbc
That is actually debatable. We've managed to send more gifts this year than usual.
69
26/11/2020 11:13:17 1 0
bbc
The "science" on which the government bases its actions has a very serious weakness as the famour 'R' value cannot be accurate when every time a whole group of people is tested there are a lot of symtomless carriers. The government are really blundering about in the dark. Mathematical models are no substitute for testing and the 'Test and trace' system doesn't work because of incompetence.
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26/11/2020 11:29:49 15 3
bbc
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the arguments, people are seriously fed up at being told what they will and wont be "allowed". Politicians seem to forget they are there as our agents, not as our captors. They seem to think we should be grateful for being allowed any kind of freedom and that anyone who says they are struggling is a traitor. The whole debate is one dimensional.
101
26/11/2020 11:43:41 4 9
bbc
Only the whingers like you are fed up

Most normal people accept the rules and will follow them

Many families I know including mine who normally have big numbers for xmas are simply having smaller gatherings and getting on with it
902
27/11/2020 20:35:58 0 0
bbc
Dave, have you revised the Common Law and Magna Carta? People who have rightfully kept workingtheir businesses can't legally be imprisoned or fined. These are arbritrary guidelines, not the LAW. And we didn't enter into any contract with anyone in government. But somehow, most of us have been trained into group-think. We gave our power away to people and that's never right. MK Ultra tactics.
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26/11/2020 11:29:50 75 10
bbc
Nobody can keep tabs on millions of households, so have your Xmas and calculate your own risk. I'm a bit confused about this years arrangements, but we will make it work one way or another. Some rules will be bent if they have to be. Most of us are capable of living our own lives. Look within, look without, and try to have a little fun if you can.
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37p
26/11/2020 13:17:45 14 4
bbc
A sensible post without the unneeded bias that most posts show.
I'm also confused about how this are going to work over Christmas but that will work out somehow.
441
26/11/2020 15:14:17 3 2
bbc
There are going to be an awful lot of houses with all their front curtains drawn, and not answering the front door, on Christmas day.
729
26/11/2020 22:10:17 0 0
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Good advice BB.
72
26/11/2020 11:30:21 2 1
bbc
So I'll take all places that come under Greater Manchester borough will be put in Level 3 tier lockdown ?
73
26/11/2020 11:30:21 3 5
bbc
I look forward to another national lockdown in mid January then, once all the Christmas infections have taken hold. Never mind, the deaths of a few thousand innocent people is worth it to have a mince pie with some distant relatives you never see the rest of the year isn't it! Anyone heard of skype, teams, whatsapp, zoom.....?
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PJ
26/11/2020 14:40:58 1 0
bbc
You ever tried getting your mum on any of those platforms via her landline?
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26/11/2020 11:07:28 281 73
bbc
It's all very easy to blame a government for everything we see as wrong with the world but unless I'm mistaken it's the people of this country who, even with all we know about the pandemic, are still infecting each other left right and centre. Even today we see no masks, no distancing and people who think that the rules don't apply to them. Unfortunately it's never those people who pay the price!
74
26/11/2020 11:15:44 22 6
bbc
My sentiments exactly - I have seen enough evidence to confirm this and agree entirely. Sparky24 is right - these people never pay the price.
75
26/11/2020 11:17:08 2 6
bbc
Recipe for disaster, government are bonkers, surely we can live without one Christmas, we had world wars that lasted years, sick of hearing people moaning because they can't do this and that, we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic and all people are bothered about is Christmas, I guess January we are all gonna be in lockdown again, government needs to wake up and listen to the scientists
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26/11/2020 11:20:19 5 6
bbc
another bad decision relaxing the rules for xmas. Those who still don,t care will continue will keep on spreading infection come what may, those who are currently undecided will probably take the risk socialising based on the latest rules and we all know that will cause a huge spike in Covid infection in the new year - carry on like this and Covid will be with us for a long long time.
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26/11/2020 11:32:18 6 0
bbc
And people like you will keep spreading mental health illness and suicides by not understanding that for some people loneliness and/or separation from loved ones is a far bigger threat than COVID. COVID wont be here forever as a threat by the looks of it but mental health issues resulting from it will be much worse.
96
26/11/2020 11:42:43 1 1
bbc
you cant spread mental health issues, either you have them or dont
and whilst im very sorry for those so afflicted, death trumps mental health, sorry
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jon
26/11/2020 10:35:13 14 7
bbc
Rules for pubs need to be fairer. I see no risk difference in table service for those just drinking compared with those eating a meal. It appears Strictly Come Dancing has a higher risk than covid secure pubs.
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26/11/2020 11:32:51 1 1
bbc
Its the effect of the alcohol consumed. The stronger the effect, the less social distance is maintained.
Serving food guarantees eating and that the effects of alcohol will be delayed. They also limit how long you can be in the pub.
People - government, no trust in either direction.
65
26/11/2020 11:23:37 7 0
bbc
Prof Reicher " Government could provide Covid Fuel Allowance to enable people to open their windows" Is he serious ?
78
26/11/2020 11:33:28 0 0
bbc
??
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jon
26/11/2020 11:33:29 2 3
bbc
I expect most regions to be in tire two or three. So overall it looks more restrictive but shops and grass roots sports are expected to re-open. Also we have seen good progress in Liverpool so rapid testing could enable regions to move down a tier more quickly. We should hopefully have a vaccine by Spring. Not long to wait for more safety. Why take the risk at Christmas?
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26/11/2020 11:33:46 1 9
bbc
It's no fun being on the left at the moment but still better than being a Tory and having to try to excuse the disaster of a govt that you put in place
All they can manage is diversion and whataboutry
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jon
26/11/2020 11:36:45 3 0
bbc
The virus can’t distinguish between right & left.
87
26/11/2020 11:36:58 0 1
bbc
well ,thats all bunter and co can manage as well
58
26/11/2020 11:17:55 29 6
bbc
Trust in the government has halved.

Anything to do with a relentless barrage of headlines like 'Recipe for Disaster'?
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26/11/2020 11:34:26 49 26
bbc
More to do with Dominic Cummings proving its one rule for the Government and cronies and one for the plebs. They lost their credibility then.
521
26/11/2020 16:15:08 0 1
bbc
Ooo that's a good reason for potentially killing someone!
566
26/11/2020 17:07:15 1 0
bbc
Shallow thinking and lack of commonsense. Whatever are you going to do now without Cummings in the picture. One man influencing your every decision.
54
26/11/2020 11:13:45 64 26
bbc
A few thousand more unnecessary deaths is a small price to pay to allow people to celebrate the birth of the son of a deity they don't believe in.
82
26/11/2020 11:34:48 13 2
bbc
Oh dear still not understanding that xmas is not just about religion for millions - think saturnalua, yuletide, midwinter and other pagan festivals long before the religious fairy tales existed

Then there are those who see it as a break and to spend time with families
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26/11/2020 11:54:47 7 5
bbc
I didn't realize that this country was so full of Romans and pagans as to justify a festival. It's a consumerism and profit festival meant to ensure the health of the economy that's all. It's long stopped being anything else.
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26/11/2020 12:43:21 1 1
bbc
Paganism is still religion, just different deities
424
26/11/2020 14:45:59 1 1
bbc
And they can't wait until Spring to do it? Probably won't now as there will be third wave because of Xmas...
83
26/11/2020 11:21:06 3 3
bbc
Would hate to be a nurse or doctor in January and also at the minute
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PJ
26/11/2020 14:39:42 0 1
bbc
To be fair, nobody forced them into a career in health care. Bit like joining the army then complaining when you have to go to war. If they don't like it they can become accountants.
84
26/11/2020 11:21:42 0 5
bbc
To all those who think a limited Christmas is going to ruin all the fun, please spare a moment to ponder how attending Granny's funeral in January is going to ruin the festive season even more...... this is not a conspiracy to bah-humbug Christmas, it is an attempt form an admittedly inept government to limit the misery and guilt of family deaths
85
26/11/2020 11:35:51 0 4
bbc
Wouldn't it be more appropriate if they renamed Tiers to DeathCom? Perhaps then people would be likelier to heed.
80
26/11/2020 11:33:46 1 9
bbc
It's no fun being on the left at the moment but still better than being a Tory and having to try to excuse the disaster of a govt that you put in place
All they can manage is diversion and whataboutry
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jon
26/11/2020 11:36:45 3 0
bbc
The virus can’t distinguish between right & left.
80
26/11/2020 11:33:46 1 9
bbc
It's no fun being on the left at the moment but still better than being a Tory and having to try to excuse the disaster of a govt that you put in place
All they can manage is diversion and whataboutry
87
26/11/2020 11:36:58 0 1
bbc
well ,thats all bunter and co can manage as well
46
26/11/2020 11:07:28 281 73
bbc
It's all very easy to blame a government for everything we see as wrong with the world but unless I'm mistaken it's the people of this country who, even with all we know about the pandemic, are still infecting each other left right and centre. Even today we see no masks, no distancing and people who think that the rules don't apply to them. Unfortunately it's never those people who pay the price!
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ps4
26/11/2020 11:27:08 16 3
bbc
Well said , and the reason they are relaxing the rules is that at least it's some guidance some will follow. If they kept a national lockdown over christmas there would be many who'd flout it anyway by even more mixing .
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26/11/2020 11:15:30 58 6
bbc
Why does Government seek advice from Scientists/Medics, l
SAGE, UCH, Public Health Authorities and then go against their advice particularly over Christmas. From experience we all know when large groups get together particularly at Christmas we are all
happy celebrating, but the fact is that little Covid fella is going to be in its element.
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ps4
26/11/2020 11:30:14 35 5
bbc
Because Anne i think they have to , they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't offer some guidance on relaxed rules in my opinion the idiots who flout the rules would do it even more in a lockdown period because some have no sense...... they would mix even more imo
494
26/11/2020 15:56:43 1 0
bbc
We are not going to win the Covid war ever but Doris and his gang of thieves have control of the media to enforce the propaganda that if you naughty people stay locked up for the remainder of your lives we can carry on with the battle. This is all about MONEY AND CONTROL!
732
26/11/2020 22:16:40 0 1
bbc
Ha ha .. yes.

So why don't they allow us to use mobile phones driving our cars .. since a lot of people will do it anyway ?

Ridiculous argument.

No wonder we have such a pathetic, weak government with people like you giving them a free ride.
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26/11/2020 11:28:10 6 1
bbc
I suspect it's more about encouraging the shopping rush to boost high street shops profitability (or reduce their losses). If you weren't visiting, you'd spend less, probably.
90
26/11/2020 11:37:34 3 0
bbc
That is actually debatable. We've managed to send more gifts this year than usual.
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26/11/2020 10:43:06 98 10
bbc
Why do they keep pushing all of this information to the public via the news media instead of just making a decision and going with it. Its like they are tentatively assessing the backlash. As I have said before, this isn't how you govern, its how you run a social media campaign for a business.
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26/11/2020 11:40:27 7 14
bbc
Actually goes back to Blair (and Clinton in the US previously). Government has very little to do with what's wrong or right anymore, let alone principles, solely about which policy will upset the fewest people. And social media has made it worse because everybody thinks their opinion, however ill-informed, counts. Rashford is a prime example.
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26/11/2020 11:47:14 15 2
bbc
Sorry but how is it blair and clintons fault? they havent been in power in some 15 to 20 years and social media was barely a thing for clinton, I think there was only myspace at that point. Surely the most recent government could have fixed these issues, but no, they've stuck with the populism approach and made it worse
194
26/11/2020 12:22:48 10 2
bbc
Pathetic deflection
331
26/11/2020 13:35:00 6 1
bbc
Upsetting the fewest party funders is the main aim rather than people in general.

Along making a very poorly disguised attempt to fool the rest of us into thinking our opinions matter, of course.

They barely even bother to think up credible lies anymore and certainly don't care if they're caught out.
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26/11/2020 11:40:33 2 4
bbc
We have all suffered enough this year to throw it all away over the Christmas period. Nobody wants the rules relaxing we just want to get out of this as quick as possible.
109
26/11/2020 11:47:18 6 0
bbc
I know many people including myself are happy with relaxing the rules

So YOU are wrong claiming "nobody wants the rules relaxing"

Its only what YOU want and think
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26/11/2020 12:03:19 0 0
bbc
Typical quitling, thinks he's speaking for the entire nation. Dave, you're only speaking for yourself - I disagree with you entirely. Thanks for your opinion, but it isn't accurate and it isn't welcome.
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37p
26/11/2020 12:58:44 0 0
bbc
Speak for yourself not others.

When I understood what the rules are then I'll make my own judgement about how much risk I'm putting anyone in - including myself.
93
26/11/2020 11:40:39 6 1
bbc
Looking at the diagrams, maybe we just need to isolate the retired population, ensure they can receive everything remotely and delivered. The rest of us, back to work to pay for it all.
103
26/11/2020 11:44:48 4 0
bbc
We should have done that from the start... too late now.
111
26/11/2020 11:48:08 1 1
bbc
but its not JUST them, and given the clowns cant organise test track and trace how do you expect them to "seal off" the retired?
all so what? so you dont have to put up with a few minor inconveniences?
as they said at end of germans faulty towers
"how ever did they win?"
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26/11/2020 10:53:56 1 2
bbc
People have become like sheep.Why are so many people accepting the Gov poking their nose into every aspect of our lives.NHS is overwhelmed ever year through Gov cuts nothing to do with Covid. This is not a Police state last time I looked and people need to be given the right to take their own risks.People are having their lives devastated from lockdowns that dont work.
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26/11/2020 11:41:10 0 0
bbc
Their own risks yes. But not the right to pass that risk on to everyone else.
95
26/11/2020 11:42:08 13 4
bbc
I hear that groups of people can soon come to my door are sing carols to me. Well that sounds like a great way to spread a virus. Whose bonkers idea is this, not that Clown again?
107
26/11/2020 11:45:56 9 6
bbc
I will be fetching my blunderbuss if any of those religious nutters come to my door singing.
76
26/11/2020 11:32:18 6 0
bbc
And people like you will keep spreading mental health illness and suicides by not understanding that for some people loneliness and/or separation from loved ones is a far bigger threat than COVID. COVID wont be here forever as a threat by the looks of it but mental health issues resulting from it will be much worse.
96
26/11/2020 11:42:43 1 1
bbc
you cant spread mental health issues, either you have them or dont
and whilst im very sorry for those so afflicted, death trumps mental health, sorry
97
26/11/2020 11:43:01 20 2
bbc
Surely time to let the young, fit and healthy of the country get on with their lives - and very responsibly if they have contact with anyone who is even vaguely at risk.
And those 'at risk' for whatever reason, take appropriate precautions to avoid exposure to risks of infection...
However, can we rely on people to act responsibly??
310
26/11/2020 13:25:15 2 2
bbc
"However, can we rely on people to act responsibly??"
The majority - yes.
But it only takes the rest to undo most of their hard work.
684
26/11/2020 19:29:37 1 0
bbc
But what about those of us that are fit and healthy and carers? Do I abandon elderly parents so you can “get on with “ your little life. I have delivered groceries on my parents doorstep for nine months and am working out how to deliver a Christmas dinner , when it is the 30 somethings that are not wearing masks or socially distancing - amazing how many can breathe through their chin!
899
27/11/2020 20:27:24 0 0
bbc
What is being drummed into us is a sense of codependency. Not enough of us are questioning why a health emergency is being used as a way to brainwash us and make us into half the people we were before February. It's wise to question the narrative, lest it have an agenda
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26/11/2020 11:43:08 2 1
bbc
Before lockdown 2, zone 2, after zone 3.
Lockdown2 = Failure
Xmas = spread it all about.

Totals January - What the hell do we do now?
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26/11/2020 11:47:53 0 0
bbc
2/2+3 + F/S = 5
113
26/11/2020 11:49:42 1 0
bbc
It will only be spread if dopes take unnecessary risks and break the rules

It is NOT compulsory to get together with 3 households and many won't
58
26/11/2020 11:17:55 29 6
bbc
Trust in the government has halved.

Anything to do with a relentless barrage of headlines like 'Recipe for Disaster'?
99
26/11/2020 11:43:29 6 5
bbc
more to do with scummings, and clown getting it twice
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26/11/2020 11:17:01 105 46
bbc
I agree with your sentiment but these people do not control our borders neither do they have a say in when restrictions are being imposed. Yes it is the stupid and selfish who aren't helping but they have had as much say in how this should be handled as you or I do. So who does have the power to shut the border, issue lockdowns and why didn't they when those were needed most as this started?
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26/11/2020 11:43:38 29 7
bbc
I don't know why you are being downvoted as you are correct, its a mix of the people ignoring the rules and the government making stupid decisions... its hardly up to the public about testing at airports or how we develop track and trace, to place the blame solely on the public is disingenuous